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# Session Start: Fri Dec 09 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <khuey> ah
# [00:00] <khuey> they use audio/mp3
# [00:00] <mcpherrin> On May 25 2011, Tweetdeck was bought by Twitter
# [00:00] * khuey keeps looking
# [00:00] <mcpherrin> ^ The said on Quora on May 15th they were adding Firefox support
# [00:00] <khuey> ha, they have some -moz CSS
# [00:00] <khuey> copy paste ftw
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# [00:01] * @bz shrugs
# [00:01] <@bz> my fundamental assumption is that web devs are no different now from the way they were in 1999
# [00:02] <@bz> they may claim they are
# [00:02] <@bz> but given any chance, they revert to type
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# [00:04] <@bz> Man
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# [00:04] <@bz> Zimbra's webmail quoting is the suck
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# [00:04] <@bz> is there a way to change it?
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# [00:04] <khuey> without using something other than zimbra?
# [00:04] <jwir3> heh
# [00:04] <khuey> don't think so
# [00:05] <jwir3> "is the suck"
# [00:05] <jwir3> I don't know why I found that funny, but I'm laughing my pants off here
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# [00:08] <@bz> khuey: well, within the options at my disposal right now
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# [00:09] <@bz> khuey: I don't care if it involves "not zimbra", if it works!
# [00:09] <mayhemer> philor: PGO with the timer patch just finished on try, if I've done all properly: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=975e8a166623
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# [00:13] <roc> oh wow, is the bugzilla "auto-CC someone to a bug when requesting review from them" feature live?
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# [00:15] <@bz> ok
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# [00:15] <Unfocused> roc: yes
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# [00:15] <@bz> so only mail from about Dec 2-5 needs resending?
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# [00:16] <@bz> hrm
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# [00:16] <@bz> at least some people answered moco mail on Dec 5...
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# [00:16] <philor> mayhemer: looks good, I'd say you should cross all your fingers and all your toes, sacrifice two goats and a chicken, pour out a drink on the ground, cross yourself, dive into a pool of rabbit's feet, and reland it
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# [00:17] <mayhemer> philor: :D, not necessarily in this order, but I'll do that ;)
# [00:17] <jesup> bz: I was able to send mozilla email while it was down to external addresses. Internals... I have no idea. It just wouldn't copy the message to Sent.
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# [00:18] <philor> dholbert: are you leaking two stringbuffers?
# [00:18] <jesup> I assume external-sourced mail to mozilla.* addresses will (eventually) get delivered (still waiting on IMAP restoration so I can sync my mail back to moco)
# [00:18] <@bz> jesup: well, sure
# [00:18] <@bz> jesup: Sending worked fine
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# [00:19] <@bz> jesup: But I'm talking I sent mail on Dec 5 to foo@mozilla.com and got a response a few hours later
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# [00:19] <gavin> some people have their mail forward externally
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# [00:19] <@bz> hmm
# [00:19] * @bz thought we nixed the ability to do that
# [00:19] <ted2> anyone have an inbound tree handy and want to push something for me?
# [00:19] <gavin> AIUI the forwarding was still active throughout the outage
# [00:19] <@bz> certainly did for me!
# [00:19] <dholbert> philor, I don't think so -- looking into it though
# [00:19] <@bz> but yeah, ok, that would explain it
# [00:20] <dholbert> philor, it's possible
# [00:20] <zpao> gavin: external forwarding didn't work afaik
# [00:21] <gavin> zpao: ah, heh, was going to ask you :)
# [00:21] <dholbert> I'm comparing something against NS_NewAtom("..."), which might be stupid... I may need to catch the return-value of NS_NewAtom in a nsCOMPtr to keep from leaking
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# [00:22] <dholbert> yeah, I think that's my problem. philor: I'll back out & reland with that fixed
# [00:23] <philor> thx
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# [00:25] <khuey> so ...
# [00:25] <khuey> which nsIContent*s on nsINode are strong?
# [00:25] <khuey> and which are weak?
# [00:25] <@bz> khuey: what do you mean?
# [00:25] <khuey> bz: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/public/nsINode.h#1391
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# [00:25] <khuey> are all three of those non-owning refs?
# [00:25] <@bz> oh
# [00:25] <@bz> yes
# [00:25] <@bz> all three of those are non-owning
# [00:25] <khuey> but mParent above is an owning ref?
# [00:26] <@bz> good question on mParent
# [00:26] * @bz checks
# [00:26] * khuey mumbles something about comments
# [00:26] <@bz> yes
# [00:26] <@bz> mParent is owning
# [00:26] <khuey> ok
# [00:26] <khuey> thanks
# [00:26] <@bz> and should absolutely have a comment saying so
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# [00:26] <@bz> (having a comment saying the other three are weak is ok too)
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# [00:27] <@bz> I don't see why mParent can't just be an nsCOMPtr
# [00:27] <@bz> fwiw
# [00:27] <@bz> (the other ones obviously can't be, but mParent doesn't have that problem)
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# [00:27] * ted2 slaps checkin-needed on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=580208&action=edit
# [00:28] <khuey> yeah
# [00:28] <khuey> seems a little silly
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# [00:30] <@bz> khuey: file a bug, cc me and smaug, please
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# [00:33] <dietrich> dbaron: taras said you were working on some displaylist invalidation improvements - is there a bug for that?
# [00:33] <khuey> bz_dinner: sure
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# [00:54] <Bas> Hrm, what's the authentication info for people again? Just LDAP, right?
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# [00:55] <khuey> Bas: ssh key
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# [00:56] <Bas> Hrm, with what username?
# [00:56] <Bas> Ah, got it.
# [00:57] <dholbert> philor, thanks for the orange-starring
# [00:57] <dholbert> and sorry for the orange. :-/
# [00:57] <dholbert> (fixed patch nearly ready)
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# [00:59] <Waldo> hmm
# [00:59] <Waldo> well, no, this is probably me
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# [01:16] <@dbaron> dietrich, I'm not, but there is a bug
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# [01:16] <decoder> espindola: ping?
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# [01:17] <@dbaron> dietrich, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=539356
# [01:18] <espindola> decoder, pong
# [01:18] <espindola> 708870?
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# [01:18] <decoder> espindola: yep :)
# [01:18] <decoder> just posted my svn revision of llvm/clang in the bug
# [01:18] <decoder> do you need anything else?
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# [01:18] <decoder> im trying to find a working changeset right now
# [01:18] <decoder> it's not exactly your bug that regressed it, it's earlier
# [01:18] <decoder> your bug just touches that area too
# [01:18] <espindola> decoder, no, just fixed it :-)
# [01:19] <decoder> oh
# [01:19] <decoder> cool
# [01:19] <decoder> ill try, thanks!
# [01:19] <dietrich> dbaron: thanks!
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# [01:19] <espindola> thanks for finding it
# [01:19] <espindola> adding unwind.h fixed a bug (we would not have a stack walker)
# [01:19] <decoder> espindola: dveditz suggested we should get a tbpl for clang
# [01:19] <espindola> but it broke the build on linux
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# [01:19] <espindola> decoder, I am sure we have a bug for it
# [01:20] <espindola> let me look
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# [01:21] <zwol> Are ADU aggregate statistics posted in public anywhere? I am particularly looking for numbers on 3.6 versus more recent stuff.
# [01:21] <espindola> baldrick, on llvm suggested using one of the fast gcc lab machines to do a "build clang; use that to build firefox"
# [01:22] <espindola> for every llvm/clang commit
# [01:22] <espindola> might be interesting if we can find a truly green subset of the tests to run
# [01:22] <espindola> maybe just building would already be nice
# [01:22] <decoder> espindola: sounds good, but in the long term we need it on our machines anyway
# [01:22] <espindola> yes
# [01:22] <decoder> because I would like to have our tests run under address sanitizer
# [01:23] <decoder> which requires clang anyway
# [01:24] <decoder> but we can proceed on that if I ever succeed in building firefox with asan^^
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# [01:24] <espindola> decoder, 672210
# [01:24] <espindola> that is probably the one you want
# [01:25] <decoder> espindola: thx! ill comment in there
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# [01:25] <decoder> espindola: btw, I recently wrote my first llvm pass and integrated it into clang/llvm like address sanitizer. it can be used to instrument basic blocks with an external function call (e.g. to measure coverage)
# [01:25] <espindola> or 629459
# [01:25] <decoder> it's really amazing how easy that is
# [01:26] <espindola> cool, glad to heard you liked it :-)
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# [01:26] <espindola> there was a talk on this llvm developer meeting about the use of clang in chromium
# [01:27] <espindola> really looking forward to the video being available
# [01:27] <decoder> let me know when you have it, sounds interesting
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# [01:28] <decoder> btw my tool is available at https://github.com/choller/LLCov/ if you ever need something like that :)
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# [01:30] <espindola> interesting!
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# [01:31] <decoder> thx
# [01:31] <jhammel> http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/toolbox/LLCov
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# [01:32] <decoder> jhammel: nice thx
# [01:32] <decoder> espindola: thx, i know it's easy but I havent found any equivalent to do that so far. I initially wanted this to be able to adjust my fuzzing strategy while the program runs
# [01:32] <jhammel> :
# [01:32] <jhammel> er, :)
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# [01:33] <hub> what do you guys use for merge on MacOS
# [01:33] <hub> hg merge is really... how to say that politely
# [01:33] <rnewman> mostly I use git :)
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# [01:34] <jdm> hub: I use a text editor
# [01:34] <st3fan> you don't like to merge in vim with those horrible three columns?
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# [01:34] <hub> Callek: I said MacOS
# [01:34] <st3fan> hub, i configured hg to use Apple's DiffTool
# [01:34] <Callek> and that usually makes me very happy (merges are not too painful)
# [01:34] <hub> st3fan: how do you do that?
# [01:34] <Callek> hub: I *thought* kdiff3 worked on mac, is only why I mentioned it
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# [01:35] <st3fan> sorry, FileMerge
# [01:35] <st3fan> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/MacOSXFileMerge
# [01:36] <espindola> decoder, yes, looks like a good tool for a fuzzer or even a simpler testcase generator
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# [01:37] <decoder> espindola: yea thats what I had in mind. I havent added support to my fuzzing tools yet, but will do soon. then we'll see if the idea works out or not
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# [01:39] <edmorley> zwol: the best I know of (that isn't behind the metrics wall) is https://metrics.mozilla.com/stats/firefox.shtml and https://metrics.mozilla.com/stats/firefox_updates.csv (the latter not being linked from the stats page, the rest are)
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# [01:40] <hub> and how to I get mercurial queue to use it?
# [01:40] <edmorley> ted2: has bug 708453's patch been tested, or does it need to go to try before I push it?
# [01:40] <hub> *sigh*
# [01:40] <zwol> edmorley: thanks, I was hoping for more of an executive summary but that might be good enough
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# [01:41] <edmorley> zwol: like a graph, or just single %s for the last week?
# [01:41] <zwol> either
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# [01:42] <edmorley> zwol: save this html: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1397616
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# [01:42] <edmorley> zwol: and in the same folder, place the downloaded csv https://metrics.mozilla.com/stats/firefox_updates.csv
# [01:43] <ted2> edmorley: i built it on mac
# [01:43] <ted2> and there aren't any tests for that code ha ha
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# [01:43] <ted2> edmorley: it'd be nice to get it landed so crash reporting actually works on mac again
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# [01:43] <ale`> hi, is there a way to define "global" functions in mozrepl's initfile (i.e. callable as f(x) instead of repl.f(x))?
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# [01:44] <darktrojan> edmorley: alright, which one of you is still using firefox 1?
# [01:44] <darktrojan> :D
# [01:44] <jhammel> ale`: the short answer, if i understand you correctly, is no
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# [01:44] <zwol> edmorley: excellent, thanks
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# [01:45] <zwol> edmorley: interesting week-period cycle in 3.6 usage
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# [01:50] <edmorley> zwol: I have some saved CSVs that i've pieced together (has gaps between sept and nov this year, so some straight lines on the graph), which gives last ~15 months: http://i43.tinypic.com/2cypapt.jpg
# [01:50] <zwol> ooh
# [01:50] <zwol> that's helpful
# [01:51] <edmorley> zwol: would you like the CSV?
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# [01:51] <zwol> I don't think I need the CSV, thanks
# [01:52] <zwol> I'm just helping My Usual Informant decide how much to care about 3.6 for a new site
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# [01:55] <edmorley> ah
# [01:56] <edmorley> zwol: hopefully the figure will be going down more quickly, now that the 3.6 MU has been unpaused, post infra issues
# [01:56] <zwol> oh, are we actually doing that at last? I thought it was still indefinitely delayed
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# [01:56] <mbrubeck> The 3.6 MU has been active for 9 days now and was only paused for a few hours of that time, as far as I know
# [01:56] <mbrubeck> (it was paused while AMO was down)
# [01:57] <zwol> ah
# [01:57] <mbrubeck> so I don't have huge hope for 3.6 magically disappearing any faster next week than it did this week.
# [01:57] <zwol> I don't see much of a downward trend in the last nine days' 3.6 numbers
# [01:58] <zwol> (anecdata: I'm looking at these graphs in a corporate install of 3.6, which I have been specifically told not to upgrade, as 4.0 breaks the intranet)
# [01:58] <mbrubeck> It's down about 2% week-over-week, compared to about 0.4% week-over-week before the MU
# [01:59] <zwol> 2% of total ADU or 2% of the 30%?
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# [01:59] <mbrubeck> By "down 2%" I mean that the share of 3.6 users as a percent of all Firefox ADU is down 2 points
# [01:59] <mbrubeck> 2% of total ADU
# [01:59] <zwol> gotcha
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# [02:00] <dholbert> is jorendorff-gone's cross-platform "make check" orange on m-i already known / being taken care of?
# [02:00] <mbrubeck> For example, the past four mondays saw 3.6's share at 25.0%, 24.5%, 24.1%, 22.3%
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# [02:01] <decoder> espindola: seems like the error is gone now, thx:) now I just have to check if the rest of the build succeeds and the browser can startup (hopefully)
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# [02:02] <espindola> decoder, it should
# [02:02] <espindola> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=4ca3192706b0
# [02:02] <espindola> that is with a clang just before I added the unwind.h
# [02:03] <decoder> espindola: yea, but im building with -faddress-sanitizer enabled
# [02:03] <espindola> have to figure out what causes the leak on osx64 debug ...
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# [02:03] <decoder> the build suceeded now but ff doesnt start up
# [02:03] <decoder> ill have to investiage whats wrong now
# [02:03] <decoder> *investigate
# [02:03] <espindola> :-(
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# [02:03] <decoder> i worked around quite a few bugs already with asan
# [02:04] <decoder> i hope at some point I finally get something that runs
# [02:04] <espindola> ah, this is with asan...
# [02:04] <decoder> the latest issue was that we produced really large stack frames that worked with gcc and clang, but with clang+asan, these we're a bit too big
# [02:04] <decoder> and triggered the recursion detection of the jsengine
# [02:04] <decoder> and it blew up^^
# [02:04] <espindola> that is one of the many things I should find time to work with
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# [02:05] <espindola> I see. I remember similar problems building with clang -O0
# [02:05] <decoder> if you plan to work on it, let me know :)
# [02:05] <decoder> we desperately want this in secteam
# [02:05] <decoder> since chrome has found so many issues with it
# [02:05] <espindola> I would like to, but currently I don't have the spare cycles..
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# [02:06] <philor> edmorley: got a tree handy? ;)
# [02:06] <decoder> espindola: ill continue working on it, and whenever you have time and mood, let me know :D
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# [02:06] <espindola> decoder, ok. do CC me on anything that looks like a bug in llvm or clang
# [02:07] <espindola> my bugmail on the llvm bugzilla is rafael.espindola@gmail.com
# [02:07] <decoder> espindola: okay will do thx :D
# [02:07] <jorendorff-gone> dholbert: on it
# [02:07] <dholbert> jorendorff-gone, good man
# [02:08] <ale`> jhammel: I hacked my way through around it :-)
# [02:08] <edmorley> philor: yup, for?
# [02:08] <jhammel> ale`: coolz
# [02:08] <edmorley> philor: oh
# [02:08] <philor> yeah, oh
# [02:09] <philor> yay, Android fix, boo, huge foundation of orange under it
# [02:09] <zwol> goodnight, folks
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# [02:10] <stuart> mcmanus: thanks!
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# [02:10] <pcwalton> should I back out the unstarred oranges on inbound before pushing?
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# [02:11] <edmorley> pcwalton: I'm sorting it out
# [02:11] <pcwalton> ok, thanks
# [02:11] <edmorley> philor: both of his code change csets?
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# [02:12] <edmorley> just ad8aee962832 might be ok, but I don't really feel like waiting another cycle to find out
# [02:12] <philor> nope, rip him out by the roots
# [02:12] <jorendorff-gone> i am pushing the fix right now
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# [02:13] <philor> itym "backing out, so that there will be a mergeable cset, and then relanding" don't you?
# [02:13] <jorendorff-gone> ad8aee962832 is the problem rev actually
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# [02:14] <jorendorff-gone> philor: feel free to back it out and start over
# [02:14] <jorendorff-gone> i wouldn't want to wait for it to cycle either if i were you
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# [02:15] <jorendorff-gone> anyway -- if you care what is actually broken, it's rev ad8aee962832, and i just forgot to hg add a file
# [02:15] <jorendorff-gone> and, apparently, to hg qref after my last tweak to one of the tests
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# [02:16] <philor> doesn't matter, edmorley should go to bed instead of even thinking about another merge
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# [02:17] <edmorley> yes mum ;-)
# [02:17] <jlebar> hub: did you get set up with mq?
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# [02:17] <edmorley> philor: but yeah you're right, I should reallu
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# [02:17] <philor> and I should once again learn to yell at people a lot louder and earlier on days when we're trying to set a push record
# [02:17] <jorendorff-gone> are we trying to set a push record
# [02:17] <jorendorff-gone> i would have waited :-P
# [02:18] <philor> looks like it to me, must have been a bunch of people who didn't know they got r+ until they got their mail back
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# [02:18] <jlebar> philor: MIght want to take lessons from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLxzQ-Qrd7U
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# [02:20] <philor> if I had a hammer, I'd throw it in the morning, I'd throw it in the evening...
# [02:20] <jhammel> ++
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# [02:25] <khuey> woah, bugzilla attaches diffs to review request emails now?
# [02:26] <gavin> small ones, yeah
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# [02:26] <jhammel> if you could only review with an email reply ;)
# [02:26] <jhammel> and then auto-push :) :)
# [02:26] <khuey> if bugzilla would just write the patches for me
# [02:27] <khuey> I could go sip margaritas on the beach all day
# [02:27] <jhammel> khuey: i'll write a bug for that
# [02:27] <edmorley> philor: 76 csets in mozilla-inbound yet to merge, one-ups the 70 this morning
# [02:27] <jhammel> ironically, if bugzilla could do that it would be fixed
# [02:27] <khuey> I'll vote for it!
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# [02:35] <khuey> did the tbpl summary thing get fixed?
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# [02:38] <khuey> philor: ^?
# [02:39] <jlebar> How do I take a callback in IDL? I take a jsval parameter and hack at the JSAPI until it works?
# [02:39] <dolske> jhammel: sdwilsh's Bugzilla Helper addon lets you reply to the email (well, opens a small window, and posts that to the bug)
# [02:40] <philor> khuey: pretty much, yeah, it eased back into working during the day yesterday
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# [02:40] <khuey> jlebar: [function]
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# [02:40] <philor> still has trouble with, say, 67369 failures in mochitest-a11y, but then it always has, since that's 67369 bzapi requests
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# [02:41] <jlebar> khuey: thanks.
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# [02:41] <jhammel> dolske: unfortunately my main need to reply to bugmail is when i'm on the go and i don't have thunderbird
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# [02:41] <jhammel> not that any of that matters until imap works again anyway :/
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# [02:45] <philor> BACKOUT TIEM!!!
# [02:45] <slowpoke> h
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# [02:47] <dholbert> philor, sorry, just pushed (right before I saw BACKOUT TIEM) -- you might need to rebase if you're in the process of backouttieming
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# [02:49] <edmorley> philor: doing, or would like someone else to?
# [02:49] <philor> I'm still an hour plus away from being home and having a tree, so I'm just shouting, not doing
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# [02:49] <hub> has anyone run nightly on Linux / Gnome3?
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# [02:50] <hub> it seem to have managed, at some point to always stay on top
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# [02:53] <fabrice> hub: no problem here
# [02:54] <hub> I don't know, it maybe have been a more general bug. I'll see if I can reproduce again
# [02:54] <hub> as it works now after I control-C'd it
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# [02:55] <dholbert> philor, ah, gotcha
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# [02:55] <reuben> hub, yep, I just used it today and it worked normally
# [02:55] <reuben> except for a weird misaligned icon on the urlbar
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# [02:57] <dholbert> edmorley, good man
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# [03:03] <hub> reuben: that must have been me. I think it started when I started virtual box....
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# [03:20] <gandalf> khuey: ping
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# [03:23] <khuey> gandalf: pong
# [03:23] <pcwalton> ok to land on inbound?
# [03:23] <gandalf> khuey: got a second to help me with NS_IMPL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_* stuff? :)
# [03:24] <khuey> sure
# [03:25] <gandalf> khuey: I'm trying to add a property to nsIDOMHTMLDocument that exposes JSObject
# [03:25] <gandalf> sth like this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1397900
# [03:25] <gandalf> and it crashes in GC
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# [03:26] <gandalf> the only thing that I see ppl doing in nsXMLHttpRequest::GetResponse is related to all those NS_INTERFACE* macros
# [03:26] <gandalf> but I have absolutely no understanding on whats going on there :)
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# [03:27] <khuey> these mFoo variables that you declared locally are messing with my head :-P
# [03:27] <khuey> what does the stack look like when you crash?
# [03:27] <gandalf> ahh, sorry
# [03:28] <gandalf> yeah, I'll paste it in a sec
# [03:28] <gandalf> what I'm looking at as a base is http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/nsXMLHttpRequest.cpp#631
# [03:28] <gandalf> mResultArrayBuffer is an JSObject* that is being exposed in a similar fashion
# [03:28] <gandalf> and it has all the NS_IMPL_CYCLE stuff
# [03:28] <khuey> right
# [03:29] <gandalf> sorry for the stupid var names, it's 3:30am here
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# [03:29] <gandalf> I was just trying to figure out why it's crashing ;)
# [03:30] <felipe> pcwalton: are you about to land on inbound?
# [03:30] <khuey> well I have a hard time seeing how it crashes since your variables are all local ...
# [03:30] <gandalf> yeah
# [03:30] <khuey> so that stack would be nice
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# [03:30] <pcwalton> felipe: well, I'd like to whenever it reopens
# [03:30] <gandalf> doing it now
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# [03:30] <pcwalton> there's no rush
# [03:30] <felipe> is it closed?
# [03:31] <gandalf> khuey: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1397913
# [03:31] <gandalf> khuey: if I'll return JSVAL_NULL it does not crash
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# [03:33] <lurking> unless its not posted in-bound is open AFAIK
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# [03:33] <gandalf> khuey: wait, I'll update the patch to really does what it should do
# [03:34] <gandalf> and will resend the patch and the stack
# [03:34] <khuey> mmm
# [03:34] <khuey> ok
# [03:34] <khuey> this is not a gc crash
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# [03:36] <philikon> when i have an xpcom service, does it need to have an NS_GENERIC_FACTORY_SINGLETON_CONSTRUCTOR?
# [03:36] <jlebar> Why would the CreateWrapperDenied error give the name "UnknownClass"? I'm doing navigator.mozPower, where mozPower is something I added.
# [03:36] <jlebar> mrbkap: ^?
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# [03:37] <gandalf> khuey: patch http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1397915
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# [03:37] <gandalf> khuey: crash http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1397914
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# [03:37] <gandalf> khuey: this happens when I just try to do "var l = document.getL10nData;"
# [03:38] <gandalf> after around a second after this call
# [03:38] <gandalf> also, if I try to do alert(l);
# [03:38] <gandalf> it'll assert: "JavaScript error: , line 0: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsIDOMWindow.alert]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: file:///Users/zbraniecki/projects/l20n/test.html :: test :: line 18" data: no]"
# [03:38] <khuey> ok you just gave me a completely different stack :-P
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# [03:38] <gandalf> yeah, the previous one was wrong, sorry
# [03:39] <gandalf> so it seems that a) it does not properly expose the JSObject, b) it crashes on the next GC cycle
# [03:39] <gandalf> those are probably separate issues
# [03:39] <gandalf> the a) may be a result of the fact that the JSObject is coming from a different js context than the document is on
# [03:40] <gandalf> but I need your help with b) :)
# [03:40] <khuey> actually I think they're both related to that
# [03:40] <khuey> so, your L20nXMLContext has a JSContext
# [03:40] <gandalf> yeah
# [03:40] <khuey> does it have a JSCompartment?
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# [03:41] <khuey> aha
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# [03:41] <khuey> ok, so here's what I think you need
# [03:42] <khuey> after the JSAutoRequest line
# [03:42] <gandalf> that's what it does: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1397920
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# [03:42] <gandalf> in constructor
# [03:42] <gandalf> mhm
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# [03:42] <khuey> mm, ok
# [03:42] <khuey> so you want the AutoEnterCompartment magic
# [03:42] <khuey> after the JSAutoRequest
# [03:43] <gandalf> but wait, this is just a debug code that I'm testing. In reality I don't want to compile JSON here, I want to reuse a JSObject that has been constructred with that context
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# [03:44] <gandalf> khuey: my GetL10nData should look like this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1397922
# [03:44] <gandalf> so there'll be no AutoRequest, right?
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# [03:44] <gandalf> the mL10nData is an JSObject that has been created with ctx->jctx
# [03:45] <khuey> ok
# [03:45] <khuey> so
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# [03:45] <gandalf> possible? :)
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# [03:46] <khuey> gandalf: try http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1397923 ?
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# [03:47] <khuey> gandalf: well, that L20n has its own JSRuntime might be tricky :-/
# [03:47] <khuey> I don't know that you can share objects across runtimes
# [03:47] <khuey> (I'd be kinda surprised if you can)
# [03:47] <gandalf> yeah, same crash
# [03:47] <gandalf> with "Assertion failure: rt == thingCompartment->rt, at /Users/zbraniecki/projects/mozilla/mozilla-central/js/src/jsgc.cpp:797"
# [03:47] <gandalf> in console and the same stack
# [03:48] <khuey> yeah, ok
# [03:48] <gandalf> mhm, ok
# [03:48] <khuey> so you can't share objects across runtimes like this
# [03:48] <gandalf> that makes sense
# [03:48] <khuey> does l20n actually need its own runtime?
# [03:48] <gandalf> I think I can reuse the document runtime/context if I'm operating on a document
# [03:48] <gandalf> well, it has to be able to run outside of a document in which case there's no runtime to reuse
# [03:48] <khuey> so you can create your own JSContext
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# [03:48] <khuey> that's easy
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# [03:48] <khuey> but you're going to need to use XPConnect's runtime
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# [03:49] <khuey> you might find http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/idl/nsIJSRuntimeService.idl#51 to be useful
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# [03:49] <gandalf> that's ok. L20n serves two clients - documents and pure C++ code. In case of pure C++ code we will not try to expose anything anywhere so no problem. In case of document, we can reuse it's runtime
# [03:50] <gandalf> ok, thanks for help, I'll refactor the code tomorrow :)
# [03:50] <khuey> ok
# [03:50] <gandalf> thanks a lot!
# [03:50] <gandalf> gn
# [03:50] <khuey> night
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# [04:02] <khuey> have people been poking at DNS lately?
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# [04:03] <mcpherrin> khuey: yes
# [04:03] <mcpherrin> khuey: steve workman
# [04:04] <khuey> hmm
# [04:04] <khuey> I think this is bsmedberg's fault actually
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# [04:52] <njn> how did I not know that?
# [04:52] <njn> that's terrifying
# [04:52] <pcwalton> not in rust :)
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# [04:53] <njn> pcwalton: good
# [04:53] <njn> terrifying that (a) it happens, and (b) I didn't know it
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# [04:53] <cpearce> philor: did you just stop starring bug 704010 or did catlee fix it somehow?
# [04:54] <catlee-away> I thought it got disabled
# [04:54] <catlee-away> I haven't had a chance to dig into it
# [04:54] <cpearce> I haven't pushed the disablement yet.
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# [04:54] <nthomas> heisenbug!
# [04:55] <cpearce> was trying to test it locally in a winxp vm, but am about to give up and just fire away.
# [04:55] <roc> I hope that in Rust, tabs in source files are a compile error
# [04:56] <pcwalton> unfortunately not, but you could add a lint tool to do it
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# [04:56] <pcwalton> to the compiler
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# [04:56] <roc> we've had this argument
# [04:56] <roc> I'm still right :-)
# [04:56] <pcwalton> heh
# [04:57] <pcwalton> our trees do go orange when you add a tab to a file anyway
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# [04:59] <@bz> Gah
# [04:59] <@bz> thunderbird is such a broken POS
# [05:00] * @bz cries
# [05:00] <Callek> bz: there is always SeaMonkey
# [05:00] <@bz> Callek: how would that be any less broken?
# [05:00] * Callek pretends its less broken than thunderbird for 30 seconds
# [05:01] <heycam> bz, what's broken? I generally find it ok
# [05:01] <Callek> really though; I'm curious -- whats wrong?
# [05:01] <@bz> where to start?
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# [05:01] <@bz> it keeps forgetting which news messages are read
# [05:02] <heycam> (ah I don't use it for news)
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# [05:02] <@bz> half the time I click on a newsgroup it starts doing random network crap in my mail folders instead of showing me the newsgroup
# [05:02] <@bz> just now when I tried to change the mail server for one of my mail accounts it changed the news server for the news account, and the news account's name, and lost all read state for that account
# [05:03] <@bz> none of this crap used to happen...
# [05:03] <cpearce> I get all my newsgroups as email, which tb handles well. That is, I used to get all newsgroups as email until imap @ mozilla died.
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# [05:03] <cpearce> If only software engineers would stop changing stuff! :P
# [05:04] <roc> pcwalton: the thing is, giving people the freedom to have different coding styles, including insane things like tabs in source code, has just one major effect: making it difficult to move code between projects
# [05:04] <@bz> cpearce: getting it as email would sorta work with enough filters
# [05:04] <@bz> cpearce: and if I could do _server_ side filters, I'd totally be doing more mail. :(
# [05:04] <jcranmer> editor creates a lot of @ ns warnings
# [05:04] * cpearce has lots of filters :)
# [05:05] <Callek> bz: as far as news, my experience is SM actually *does* act better
# [05:05] <jcranmer> bz: fwiw, server-side filters are possible in zimbra
# [05:05] <@bz> cpearce: scales badly to multiple devices
# [05:05] <pcwalton> roc: could you post to rust-dev? it'll be easier to have this discussion there
# [05:05] <@bz> jcranmer: yeah, I tried them at some point and they failed...
# [05:05] * @bz should try again
# [05:05] <jcranmer> bz: also, re the recent news bug, I *am* trying to fix it
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# [05:05] <Callek> especially since TB devs (in totality) basically don't see the point of news these days, in fact that don't use news for their primary communications anyway
# [05:05] <heycam> each time I subscribe to a new mailing list, I manually create a new maildir folder on my server, run a script that regens my procmalrc file, then I subscribe to the folder thunderbird locally
# [05:05] <jcranmer> just as soon as my magic things-work-around-me field dies down again
# [05:05] <roc> then I'd have to subscribe
# [05:06] <jcranmer> Callek: fwiw, I've been working on news auth recently
# [05:06] <cpearce> bz: yeah, that's the major downside I've been trying to grapple with lately.
# [05:06] <ewong> so I guess mentioning Outlook is out of the question?
# [05:06] <ewong> ;)
# [05:06] <jcranmer> [if you want to talk about clusterfuck code in mailnews, news auth is quite high on the list of bad code]
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# [05:09] <Callek> jcranmer: I didn't mean to imply _noone_ is working on it, just that in totality (as in the vast majority) of time spent is not on news
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# [05:09] <jcranmer> Callek: it's largely feature-stable
# [05:09] <Callek> jcranmer: and I meant to include that TB devs don't regularly dogfood news support due to the overall distaste for news
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# [05:10] <jcranmer> I think bienvenu and Standard8 do
# [05:10] <Callek> hrm, standard8 has said before that news is obsolete and he reads via mail lists
# [05:10] <Callek> he may still read from news though, and I'd be happy if he did
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# [05:11] <jcranmer> actually, judging from headers in m.d.thunderbird
# [05:11] <jcranmer> most of the posts there are from NNTP
# [05:12] <roc> "Strongly disagree. If we cannot inline stuff like map, we cannot create
# [05:12] <roc> a performant browser engine. There is no way around this." pcwalton++
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# [05:14] <Callek> jcranmer: I agree that m.d.tb is mostly posted from news:// *but* does not mean that the team that works on tb is doing teh same
# [05:15] <Callek> (at least myself and KaiRo tried to use data as arguments for not opening tb-planning as a mail-list-only, but it was not successful)
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# [05:16] <jcranmer> I was bummed about that too
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# [05:19] <mbrubeck> We need some inbound sheriffs in Australia/New Zealand/Asia
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# [05:21] <mbrubeck> or at least someone willing to do inbound->central merges sometime around the 00:00 UTC time of day
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# [05:21] <@bz> and now thunderbird just totally lost all my mozilla.com mail
# [05:21] <@bz> nice
# [05:21] * @bz sighs
# [05:22] <Callek> lost your m.c mail?
# [05:22] <jcranmer> I was about to say that's not unexpected, but you're not using gmail
# [05:22] <jcranmer> [gmail's imap == bound to get problems]
# [05:22] * @bz just gives up on trying to deal with the moco stuff and hopes none of it was important
# [05:22] <@bz> In this case tbird insisted on creating a second account with the same name as an existing one, then got confused between the two and nuked the one with actual mail in it
# [05:22] <@bz> as far as I can tell
# [05:22] <mbrubeck> I have to admit, my corporate email became much less of a distraction now that it's accessible only through a webmail interface that I hate
# [05:23] <@bz> for some values of "accessible"
# [05:23] * mbrubeck decides to wait until he is more awake and has tested his backup/recovery system before attempting the IMAP restoration process
# [05:23] * @bz has already spent 3 hours today on this mail crap
# [05:23] <@bz> it's just not worth it
# [05:24] <@bz> of course it's not like the server will let me log in anywa
# [05:24] <@bz> er, anyway
# [05:24] <@bz> so not only is the mail I already had gone, but I _still_ can't read the new stuff
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# [05:26] <@bz> jcranmer: ping
# [05:26] <jcranmer> bz: pong
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# [05:27] <@bz> jcranmer: so my ImapMail has mail.mozilla.com/ and mail.mozilla-1.com/
# [05:27] <@bz> jcranmer: the former has my mail in it; the latter is what tbird insists on seein
# [05:27] <@bz> er, seeing
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# [05:28] <jcranmer> short answer to what I think you're going to ask:
# [05:28] <jcranmer> shut down thunderbird, edit prefs.js
# [05:28] <@bz> jcranmer: can I just point that account to mail.mozilla.com/ as the local storage?
# [05:28] <jcranmer> and s/mail.mozilla-1.com/mail.mozilla.com/g
# [05:28] <jcranmer> that should work
# [05:28] <jcranmer> although you may want to back up
# [05:28] <@bz> ok
# [05:28] <@bz> next question
# [05:28] <@bz> backing up is more work than this data warrants
# [05:28] <@bz> quite honestly
# [05:31] <@bz> so I renamed my existing account
# [05:31] <@bz> to a different name
# [05:31] <@bz> but when I try to add a new mail.mozilla.com account, the existing one still disappears from the tbird UI
# [05:31] <@bz> wtf?
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# [05:32] <jcranmer> that's... weird
# [05:32] <@bz> story of tbird the last few months for me
# [05:32] * @bz wishes he could just downgrade to some working version
# [05:32] <@bz> ok
# [05:32] <@bz> so how do I tell IT to reenable my IMAP stuff?
# [05:32] <jcranmer> my normal thought is some data got corrupted
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# [05:33] <@bz> well, clearly
# [05:33] <jcranmer> I know TB's RSS will eventually corrupt itself into a fun state where you literally can't fix it except by deleting the account
# [05:33] <@bz> in general
# [05:33] <@bz> I've done that
# [05:33] <jcranmer> but hearing that from IMAP is weird
# [05:33] <@bz> I deleted and recreated my nntp account
# [05:33] <@bz> but it's still doing weird shit there to
# [05:33] <@bz> er, too
# [05:34] <jcranmer> I suspect the unread count is caused by TB being put to sleep
# [05:34] <jcranmer> unfortunately, as often as I've seen the bug, it's never happened when I was in a position to actually figure out what was going on
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# [05:35] <@bz> put to sleep in what sense?
# [05:35] <@bz> like I close my laptop?
# [05:35] <jcranmer> yeah
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# [05:35] <fabrice> bz: file an IT bug to get your imap stuff back
# [05:35] <@bz> I did
# [05:36] <@bz> a while ago
# [05:36] <@bz> back when it sounded like manual work would be involved on it's part
# [05:36] <mrbkap> jlebar: did you figure out the answer to your question above?
# [05:37] <jlebar> mrbkap: with [function]? Yes. Although you could tell me if I need to push a cx...
# [05:37] <mrbkap> jlebar: well, with CreateWrapperDenied.
# [05:37] <jlebar> mrbkap: oh that, yes.
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# [05:40] <@bz> mrbkap: ping
# [05:41] <mrbkap> bz: pong
# [05:41] <@bz> mrbkap: did you see my comments in the xbl fastload + video controls bug?
# [05:41] <@bz> mrbkap: several weeks back now
# [05:42] <@bz> mrbkap: we need to fix that bug or back out xbl fastload
# [05:42] <@bz> mrbkap: but I don't understand the security story there....
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# [05:43] <@bz> mrbkap: need a link?
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# [05:47] <roc> oh is that why video controls sometimes don't show up?
# [05:48] <mrbkap> bz: sorry, got pulled away.
# [05:48] <mrbkap> bz: yeah, I think I missed that comment.
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# [05:49] <@bz> roc: yes
# [05:50] <@bz> mrbkap: link coming up
# [05:50] <@bz> mrbkap: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=701662
# [05:50] <@bz> roc: or at least I hope so
# [05:50] <@bz> mrbkap: comment 12
# [05:50] <@bz> mrbkap: we're attaching an xbl binding to a native anon node
# [05:50] <@bz> mrbkap: but the binding's code runs with the page's permissions, right?
# [05:51] <@bz> mrbkap: so how is it ever managing to touch that node?
# [05:52] <@bz> mrbkap: (let's ignore the fastload thing for now, though I'd still like to understand why fastload is changing behavior here)
# [05:52] <mrbkap> bz: because of the hack that is the (former) SystemOnlyWrapper.
# [05:52] <@bz> oh?
# [05:52] <@bz> talk to me. ;)
# [05:52] <mrbkap> bz: we use the filename of the caller to determine privileges.
# [05:52] <@bz> hrm
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# [05:52] <mrbkap> bz: in particular, chrome://global/ can access native anonymous content.
# [05:52] <@bz> So I need to look at the script()->filename there?
# [05:52] <mrbkap> bz: for this very purpose, in fact.
# [05:52] <mrbkap> bz: yeah.
# [05:52] <@bz> ok, gimme a sec
# [05:52] <mrbkap> bz: there's a strcmp.
# [05:53] <mrbkap> ok
# [05:53] <@bz> thanks
# [05:53] * @bz digs
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# [05:55] <@bz> filename is null
# [05:55] <philor> dholbert: ping
# [05:55] <@bz> up the stack
# [05:55] <@bz> gimme a sec
# [05:56] <nattokirai> mwu: ping
# [05:56] <mwu> nattokirai: pong
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# [05:57] <nattokirai> mwu: you've got a mochitest failure on aurora, not sure what it is
# [05:57] <@bz> 1222 init : function (binding) {
# [05:57] <dholbert> philor, semi-pong
# [05:57] <@bz> How to not write code. :(
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# [05:58] <mwu> nattokirai: thanks, I'll take a look
# [05:58] <nattokirai> cool
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# [05:58] <philor> dholbert: very brief ;) - starred with your backout, but just so you know it's possible, you timed out in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=7843226&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [05:59] <dholbert> philor, thanks, known i think (didnt re-land that test)
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# [06:01] <@bz> mrbkap: so...
# [06:02] <@bz> mrbkap: does XDR not preserve script filenames?
# [06:02] <mwu> hm, guess we don't have stacks on lion?
# [06:02] <heycam> mwu, I think breakpad is broken on lion?
# [06:02] <philor> though we're up to 68 pushes for the day, so no wonder I'm losing track
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# [06:03] <@bz> mrbkap: I guess #jsapi for me
# [06:03] <heycam> mwu, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693451
# [06:04] <mwu> ah ok
# [06:05] <mwu> nattokirai: I retriggered that one
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# [06:05] <mwu> hard to tell what's going on since there's no stack, but I think it's pretty unlikely to be me since this patch has baked on m-c for a while
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# [06:28] <@bz> bholley: oing
# [06:28] <@bz> bholley: er, ping
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# [06:34] <philor> mwu: isn't what's going on there a fatal JS assert?
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# [06:49] <heycam> can proxies make objects have a custom [[Class]] (or influence Object.prototype.toString to make it look like they do)?
# [06:49] <heycam> (I think the answer is no)
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# [06:57] <mwu> philor: probably, if you think so
# [06:58] <mwu> and it's intermittent.
# [06:58] <philor> "JS asserts are always fatal" feels like one of those things people are constantly reminding me of
# [06:58] <philor> no clue why sometimes we have lovely stacks on 10.7, and mostly we have crap, though
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# [06:59] <@bz> bholley: your long comment in the bug cleared things up
# [06:59] * mwu files
# [07:00] <@bz> how can I delete a bogus item from my awesomebar dropdown
# [07:00] <@bz> ?
# [07:00] <philor> shift+delete
# [07:00] <mbrubeck> bz: arrow keys to select, then delete key
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# [07:01] <@bz> philor: thanks
# [07:01] <@bz> mbrubeck: that deletes the last char from the url in the url field
# [07:02] <philor> yeah, that's a Mac thing
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# [07:02] <philor> everywhere else, it's delete, for us, it's shift+delete
# [07:02] <@bz> ah, I see
# [07:02] <@bz> ok
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# [07:19] <@bz> is bzapi broken again???
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# [07:40] <jlebar> oh col, nss ignores my cflags.
# [07:40] <jlebar> Thank you, nss.
# [07:40] <blizzard> fuckin honey badger of mozilla
# [07:40] <blizzard> nss don't give a shit
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# [07:59] <RemusPop> hello everyone. does anyone know, in Nightly and Aurora, what event is fired when the forward button becomes available and the location bar changes its size through an animation?
# [08:00] <RemusPop> I'm interested in waiting for the animation to finish
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# [08:20] * Callek shudders at the guy who filed bugs arguing that CA-UNRECOGNIZED cert errors should produce a MODAL dialoge with a button to accept the cert permanently as the default action [for seamonkey]
# [08:20] <Callek> and this same guy was advocating that everyone should delete the pre-filled list of CA certs
# [08:20] <Callek> ...seriously!
# [08:21] <Callek> rather than an error page :/
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# [08:27] <JonathanS> Callek, they should have a SSL error page has a button that said "Okay, Just View the page"
# [08:29] <Callek> "I understand the risks"
# [08:30] <nigelb> "You have the right to remain silent...
# [08:30] <Callek> if you're curious of the real bugs, see the ones I WONTFIXED https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldfrom=-48h&chfieldto=Now&list_id=1850560
# [08:30] <JonathanS> nigelb for?
# [08:30] <nigelb> JonathanS: I mean, the error message :)
# [08:31] <Callek> "You have the right to assemble and protest".... (unless your an Occupy Movement)
# [08:31] <nigelb> haha
# [08:31] <hub> or the right to camp for the next iPhone
# [08:31] <Callek> "You have the right to a fair trial..." (unless the congress wants to declare the whole country a war zone)
# [08:31] <hub> or for Black Friday
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# [08:31] <JonathanS> Callek, in the US Constitution, it mention "peaceful assembly"
# [08:32] <Callek> JonathanS: fair, but in *most* of the occupy protests/encampments I do see peacefully :-P
# [08:32] <Callek> such as the one in my state (Boston) where the mayor+a judge had declared a midnight evac of their camp
# [08:32] <JonathanS> Occupy NBA?
# [08:32] * Mook hopes for a "accept this cert enough to view the page, but don't trust it enough to install extensions"
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# [08:34] <JonathanS> hub, that looks like a camp for people have no life and job.
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# [08:38] <Callek> Mook: even if you accept a cert you are not auto-granting it "xpinstall" btw
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# [08:45] <Yoric> Can someone confirm that there is no way to use FileReader from XPCShell?
# [08:45] <Yoric> Hi, by the way.
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# [09:01] <JonathanS> Callek, I get t
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# [09:01] <JonathanS> grr.. This connection is unsecure for planet.mozilla.org The certificate is only valid for the following names: www.mozilla.org , mozilla.org
# [09:02] <Callek> JonathanS: planet is not meant to be accessed via https
# [09:02] <Callek> they are not renewing that cert
# [09:02] <Callek> http://planet.mozilla.org
# [09:02] <JonathanS> https everywhere extensions put all subdomain of mozilla.org to https
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# [09:06] <JonathanS> ^ Callek
# [09:07] <Callek> JonathanS: then its a bug
# [09:07] <Callek> (in the extension)
# [09:08] <JonathanS> Callek, Good thing, I disabled mozilla part of it but that disabled whole mozilla part of it.
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# [09:14] <nigelb> JonathanS: Can't do an exception?
# [09:14] <nigelb> Like *.mozilla.com except for planet.mozilla.com
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# [09:22] <tbsaunde> err
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# [09:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/141fe205fb73 - Neil Rashbrook - Bug 698256 Add and use Substring(data, length) convenience method r=dbaron
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# [09:59] <edmorley> catlee++
# [09:59] <glazou> bonjour
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# [10:27] <edmorley> we're still treating win64 breakage as requiring backing out yeah? (seeing as it's unhidden on tbpl)
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# [10:34] <Callek> edmorley: if it was green on previous cset, and if a merge cset on on whatever branch merged in, then I'd say yes. If it was a merge cset and off on whatever branch merged in then I'd say hide it again
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# [10:34] <edmorley> I think the same cset has cause the win opt purples (on inbound) too, so it's going to come out
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# [11:07] <glob> ah, bug 708248
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# [11:45] <edmorley> jacek: inbound burning
# [11:45] <edmorley> jacek: are you able to backout or shall I/
# [11:47] <jacek> edmorley: I will
# [11:47] <edmorley> jacek: thanks :-)
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# [11:50] <jacek> edmorley: actually the fix is obvious, so I will push a fix, if that's fine
# [11:51] <edmorley> jacek: please can you backout and reland with fix
# [11:51] <edmorley> jacek: we're had too many failed fixes recently
# [11:51] <jacek> ok, I will. sorry about that
# [11:51] <sewardj> !seen dbaron
# [11:51] <firebot> dbaron was last seen 10 hours, 33 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying 'dietrich, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=539356' in #developers.
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# [11:51] <protz> I'm getting sefaults on trunk inside sqlite
# [11:52] <protz> does that ring a bell to anyone?
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# [11:52] <edmorley> protz: bug 708248 maybe?
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# [11:53] <edmorley> jacek: and it means other stuff lands inbetween and means we have to wait longer before we can do an inbound merge (eg today there're 110 csets waiting to merge, due to the multiple failed jorendorf landings)
# [11:53] <edmorley> jacek: no worries :-)
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# [11:54] <protz> edmorley: hmmm not sure
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# [11:56] <protz> taras: the crash seems to have been triggered by telemetryping.js, but I thought I was closing all my connections properly now...
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# [12:00] <khuey> heh
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# [12:00] <khuey> that's the second time this week I've seen bugmail from somebody who has been @mozilla.com for years and isn't anymore
# [12:00] <khuey> and wondered if they left before realizing that they wanted to get their bugmail during the outage
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# [12:07] <edmorley> \o/ win pgo failures again... time for the retrigger game
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# [12:13] <gabor> khuey: I have some problem with this test: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/indexedDB/test/test_readonly_transactions.html?force=1#118 , the transaction is created, add returns early with an exception (and request), and I don't know how to wait for oncomplete event in this case
# [12:14] <gabor> khuey: in xpcshell ofc I could just wait "long enough" but that could result random oranges... so I'm looking for some proper solution
# [12:14] <gabor> otherwise I can get an event fired during xpc shutdown
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# [12:19] <khuey> gabor: looking
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# [12:21] <decoder> khuey: short question, does firefox load its shared libraries (like libxul) using dlopen?
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# [12:22] <khuey> decoder: I think so
# [12:22] <khuey> decoder: glandium would know for sure
# [12:22] <decoder> arg arg arg
# [12:22] <decoder> i think i know why address sanitizer fails so badly
# [12:23] <khuey> gabor: http://khuey.pastebin.mozilla.org/1398282
# [12:23] <decoder> if you link libxul.so with the runtime code of address sanitizer, and you link firefox with the same runtime code, and then firefox dlopens libxul.so => boom
# [12:23] <decoder> thats why dlopen is a bad idea in general imho
# [12:24] <gabor> khuey: ahh... so I can add oncomplete to the request itself like that? sorry... my bad, khuey++
# [12:24] <khuey> gabor: the transaction, not the request
# [12:24] <khuey> and the key is that transactions don't 'commit' until we return to the event loop
# [12:25] <khuey> which doesn't happen in this test until we're already shutting down
# [12:25] <gabor> khuey: that's what I meant just typed request instead
# [12:25] <khuey> ok :-)
# [12:25] <khuey> decoder: I'm not really familiar with the vagaries of linking on *nix systems, but isn't this what shared libraries are for?
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# [12:26] <khuey> in other words, why does asan need to be linked into the executable and libxul?
# [12:26] <decoder> khuey: not necessarily. you can also normally link to the shared library instead of having a runtime dependency.
# [12:26] <decoder> khuey: it doesnt *need* to I guess. we could probably not link it into libxul but then libxul has missing symbols and cannot be used with any binary that doesnt have this runtime code added
# [12:27] <decoder> you end up with an .so that is missing code
# [12:27] <decoder> both the .so and firefox use this runtime code
# [12:28] <khuey> so the problem is multiple copies of this code doing stuff in a single process, right?
# [12:28] <decoder> yea
# [12:28] <decoder> i think so
# [12:28] <decoder> if it all was linked normally, then the .so would only be loaded once
# [12:28] <decoder> but with dlopen that does not work
# [12:28] <khuey> ah
# [12:28] <khuey> this seems like some *nix sillyness
# [12:28] <khuey> because with DLLs and LoadLibraryEx this would just work ...
# [12:29] <khuey> anyways, you should talk to glandium about figuring out how to get past this
# [12:29] <decoder> im not sure what prevents this from working on linux, but i know with dlopen this kind of stuff breaks
# [12:29] <decoder> okay thx =)
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# [12:32] <decoder> glandium: ping! :D
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# [12:35] <justdave> ok, who understands how the SSL verification is done on a site in Firefox?
# [12:36] <justdave> I'm using Aurora, and I launched in Safe Mode
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# [12:36] <justdave> and I'm being told the bugzilla.mozilla.org site is mixed-mode/partially encrypted
# [12:36] <justdave> (gray background behind the favicon instead of blue)
# [12:36] <justdave> I can't find any page components that aren't https
# [12:37] <khuey> kaie
# [12:37] <khuey> bsmith
# [12:37] <khuey> neither of whom are here :-(
# [12:40] <khuey> dveditz too but he's almost certainly asleep
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# [12:46] <Standard8> justdave: have you clicked on the grey background, More Information then Media?
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# [12:46] <justdave> yep. and everything listed there has an https: in front
# [12:47] <Standard8> urgh
# [12:47] <Standard8> ok total guess, turn the web console on then reload the page and see what's loading
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# [12:48] <justdave> yeah, just did that
# [12:48] <justdave> and everything that loads is https
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# [12:48] <Standard8> I'm outta ideas then
# [12:49] <justdave> ah, maybe it's this:
# [12:49] <justdave> bugzilla.mozilla.org : server does not support RFC 5746, see CVE-2009-3555
# [12:49] <Standard8> that'd be a surprise, its been around for ages
# [12:49] <Standard8> though I guess we could have changed something
# [12:49] <justdave> indeed, the nagios server where I do get the blue background doesn't report that
# [12:49] <justdave> bet that's it.
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# [12:58] <NeilAway> justdave: I don't see mixed content for bugzilla...
# [12:59] <justdave> NeilAway: I don't either, which is why I'm wondering why I don't get a blue background
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# [13:02] <lurking> I see that RFC error statse.webtrendslive.com : server does not support RFC 5746, see CVE-2009-3555 and I have a blue background on win32 m-c latest hourly 11.0a1
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# [13:06] <justdave> I do get a blue background on nagios.mozilla.org
# [13:06] <darktrojan> xbl needs a applyTheDamnBindingAlready()
# [13:06] <justdave> and it doesn't have that warning.
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# [13:31] <NeilAway> when did the background change to blue anyway?
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# [13:42] <mak> il the mozilla mail server down?
# [13:42] <mak> is
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# [13:47] <Standard8> mak: imap is turned off, mail is up
# [13:47] <mak> Standard8: turned off? temporarily?
# [13:47] <Standard8> mak: if you want imap done, you need to read the forums, yammer or mail for what to do
# [13:47] <mak> ok
# [13:47] <Standard8> s/done/turned on/
# [13:48] <janv> Standard8: what forum ?
# [13:48] <Standard8> janv: intranet
# [13:48] <janv> hmm
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# [13:54] <gabor> khuey: is dom/indexedDB/test/test_key_requirements.html knowingly failing recently? or is it just me?
# [13:55] <mak> Standard8: ok thank you for pointing me to the forums. the situations looks worse than I thought :(
# [13:55] <khuey> I think that's just you ...
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# [13:58] <glazou> pascalc: try http://disruptive-innovations.com/zoo/l10n-check/ in firefox , adds a new menu entry inToold
# [13:58] <glazou> Tools even
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# [14:11] <mak> Standard8: can I use TB10 for the imap restore process or it has the same "bug" you are investigating on 8?
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# [14:40] <derf> Wow.
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# [14:40] <derf> The Windows Store will allow open-source apps legally.
# [14:40] <derf> Apple: Now officially more evil than Microsoft.
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# [14:42] <khuey> heh
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# [14:44] <bhearsum> apple doesn't allow open source apps?
# [14:44] <derf> Well, not GPL ones.
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# [14:44] <bhearsum> i..nevermind
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# [14:45] <derf> MS made an exception for any OSI-approved license.
# [14:46] <smaug> mounir really likes to split patches to small parts
# [14:46] <khuey> the interesting thing is that I've believed for a while that apple has more agency than microsoft to be able
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# [14:46] <khuey> mostly because microsoft is a dinosaur
# [14:46] <khuey> but to see microsoft actually being less evil ...
# [14:46] <khuey> that's a new one
# [14:47] <nigelb> The new evil for me is Google ^-^
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# [14:47] <smaug> derf: I thought Apple has been more evil for a long time
# [14:47] <derf> "more agency than microsoft to be able" ... I think you just said something, because there were words there. But I'll be damned if I know what it was.
# [14:47] <khuey> well, google is a completely different can of worms
# [14:47] <khuey> derf: er, evil, not able :-P
# [14:47] <nigelb> Evil in a different way, yeah.
# [14:47] <smaug> at least Apple is the evilness in the standardization
# [14:47] <nigelb> I mean, as far as Microsoft and Apple go, I have alternatives.
# [14:48] <bhearsum> i don't really understand the logic behind banning apps with certain licenses
# [14:48] <derf> smaug: In my standardization efforts, I've had about equal trouble with both of them.
# [14:48] <bhearsum> i'm having trouble even comprehending how they're _allowed_ to do that
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# [14:48] <derf> bhearsum: Their ToS impose additional restrictions that make distributing software on the App Store a violation of the GPL.
# [14:49] <derf> This is why iPhone users don't have VLC.
# [14:49] <bhearsum> ah
# [14:49] <derf> Even though someone made an app for it, and successfully got it into the store.
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# [14:50] <smaug> mounir: you have 47 patches for that SMS thing. Isn't that getting hard to manage. At least it is getting hard to review
# [14:50] <ewong> what's the git equivalent of |hg revert|?
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# [14:50] <nigelb> git reset
# [14:50] <nigelb> rugh
# [14:50] <ewong> nigelb: thanks
# [14:51] <nigelb> ewong: do you want to get rid of the changes?
# [14:51] <nigelb> Or just the last commit
# [14:51] <ewong> nigelb: get rid of changes
# [14:51] <nigelb> Hrm.
# [14:51] <nigelb> I may be wrong :P
# [14:51] <ewong> wrong?
# [14:51] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [14:51] <doublec> you have changes in your working directory you want to change back to the current git version of them?
# [14:52] <Ms2ger> Using git
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# [14:52] <doublec> if so you can "git checkout foo.txt" to do an individual file
# [14:52] <nigelb> git checkout -- ffo.txt
# [14:52] <doublec> or: git reset --hard HEAD
# [14:52] <doublec> to reset your working directory back to the head commit
# [14:53] <ewong> git reset --hard HEAD did the trick..thanks doublec
# [14:53] <doublec> np
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# [14:54] <Standard8> mak: I think it'll be the same across all of them
# [14:54] <nigelb> ewong: srooy about the confusion
# [14:54] <nigelb> *sorry
# [14:54] <ewong> nigelb: no worries.. thanks anyway
# [14:55] <ewong> I really can't keep track of all these VCS... cvs, svn, git, bzr, hg...
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# [14:56] <nigelb> mozilla uses only one right? :P
# [14:56] <doublec> yeah I'm lost with anything outside of git unless it's really basic usage
# [14:56] <Ms2ger> We use all of these
# [14:56] * khuey rumbles
# [14:56] <nigelb> Ms2ger: heh, I know. Irony :P
# [14:56] <ewong> Ms2ger: is there no chance that we just settle on just one or two?
# [14:56] <nigelb> I've used all of 'em except cvs
# [14:57] <Ms2ger> As long as it's hg, that's fine with me :)
# [14:57] <ewong> Ms2ger: lol
# [14:57] <nigelb> As long as its git, its fine with me :P
# [14:57] <Unfocused> we should just go back to keeping revisions in email
# [14:57] <Unfocused> oh wait...
# [14:57] <nigelb> Unfocused: Back from the cave using svn? :P
# [14:57] <doublec> haha...maybe too soon Unfocused :)
# [14:58] <Ms2ger> Unfocused, wait, you're Linus?
# [14:58] <nigelb> hahah
# [14:58] <nigelb> Ms2ger++
# [14:58] <khuey> so, who decided that in python regexes '|' should not be greedy
# [14:58] <Ms2ger> Guido?
# [14:58] * khuey has some words for that person
# [14:59] <bhearsum> what does | do, aside from inside of ()?
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# [14:59] <khuey> it's 'or'
# [15:00] <bhearsum> yeah
# [15:00] <bhearsum> i didn't realize it could be greedy...
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# [15:00] <khuey> well, you can pick whichever option matches the most characters
# [15:00] <khuey> perl does this, afaict
# [15:01] <bhearsum> ahh
# [15:01] <khuey> what I'm really asking is "why didn't they just copy perl's regex syntax so I wouldn't have to think?" ;-)
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# [15:02] <bhearsum> :)
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# [15:02] <bhearsum> i wish they did, too
# [15:03] <bhearsum> and i wish they had some syntactic sugar for it, a la perl
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# [15:03] <bhearsum> i still use perl for small things that require a lot or complex regexes
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# [15:05] <khuey> unfortunately if I write a webidl parser in perl I'll get stabbed
# [15:05] <khuey> by myself, when I decide that life is no longer worth living, if by nobody else
# [15:05] <smaug> if you write webidl parser in perl, I might hack it too
# [15:06] <smaug> if you use python, I won't touch it
# [15:06] <khuey> your loss :-)
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# [15:06] <khuey> python >> perl
# [15:06] <bhearsum> this probably doesn't help you now, but there's this: http://bugs.python.org/issue2636 -- "I am working on adding features to the current Regexp implementation,
# [15:07] <bhearsum> which is now set to 2.2.2. These features are to bring the Regexp code
# [15:07] <bhearsum> oops, sorry
# [15:07] <bhearsum> closer in line with Perl 5.10 as well as add a few python-specific
# [15:07] <bhearsum> niceties and potential speed-ups and clean-ups.
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# [15:09] <gerv> /whois stormy
# [15:10] <gerv> Oops :-)
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# [15:14] <reuben> http://bugs.python.org/issue2636#msg65725
# [15:14] <reuben> hehe, I do that all the time
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# [15:16] <khuey> 30000 jobs
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# [15:16] <Ms2ger> At Mozilla?
# [15:16] <khuey> heh
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# [15:40] <gabor> khuey: there is something I don't get about the recent changes on idb. this test is changed: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/indexedDB/test/test_key_requirements.html?force=1#64 and first of all it does not make much sense now to put this in a try catch block an onsuccess/yield would be better imo. but the real problem that it asserts for me
# [15:41] <gabor> khuey: this assert is triggered http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/indexedDB/IDBObjectStore.cpp#1889 and it looks like those values are set a bit earlier here http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/indexedDB/IDBObjectStore.cpp#1805 (mOverwrite is true since it's a put request)
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# [15:41] <gabor> khuey: now I don't know if this assert should not be there, or is there something I'm overlooking here?
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# [15:42] <janv> I get the same assertion
# [15:42] <janv> running the same test
# [15:42] <janv> so it's probably not you
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# [15:42] <janv> who triggered it
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# [15:43] <gabor> janv: yeah it looks like it... I just don't know if the assert is wrong or there is an actual error here...
# [15:43] <janv> now I know it's not me :)
# [15:43] <janv> either
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# [15:47] <khuey> gabor: I think that's bent's fault
# [15:47] <khuey> janv: ^
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# [15:48] <janv> seems so
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# [15:48] <khuey> the assertion is at least partially bogus
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# [15:48] <janv> ok
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# [15:50] <gabor> khuey: so shall I just ignore it and file the patch if it's working without the assertion, or shall I wait untill it's fixed?
# [15:50] <khuey> just ignore the assertion
# [15:50] <khuey> and I'll make bent fix it ;-)
# [15:50] <gabor> ok
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# [16:11] <khuey> mayhemer: has there been any nightlies with the windows high res timer stuff?
# [16:12] <hsivonen> Is adjusting the scheduling priority of a thread an expensive operation?
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# [16:13] <hsivonen> that is, is it reasonable to potentially readjust thread priority all the time
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# [16:17] <edmorley> khuey: only just merged if i'm thinking of the correct cset
# [16:17] <mayhemer> khuey: not sure
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# [16:18] <khuey> edmorley: well it landed once and was backed out
# [16:18] <khuey> iirc
# [16:18] <khuey> mayhemer: ok
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# [16:19] <edmorley> khuey, mayhemer: it landed on inbound and was backed out before it merged to m-c; now has relanded and stuck, merged today https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8165a0e15699 but after the nightly
# [16:19] <khuey> interesting
# [16:20] <mayhemer> edmorley: thanks for info, now I see it
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# [16:34] <ejpbruel> edmorley: ping
# [16:35] <edmorley> ejpbruel: pong
# [16:35] <ejpbruel> edmorley: does this error ring a bell to you? (when running ./configure in js/src)
# [16:35] <ejpbruel> creating lirasm/Makefile
# [16:35] <ejpbruel> can't read ./lirasm/Makefile.in: No such file or directory
# [16:35] <edmorley> yes, just means the makefile was removed and the entry wasn't removed from configure
# [16:35] <edmorley> but it has now, by njn
# [16:35] <edmorley> (didn't do any harm, but nice to clean it up)
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# [16:36] <ejpbruel> oh i see
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# [16:37] <edmorley> should be fixed on tip (as of https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/71457e209e1e)
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# [16:37] <ejpbruel> thats it
# [16:37] <ejpbruel> i need to learn more about configure files :)
# [16:37] <khuey> famous last words
# [16:38] <ejpbruel> khuey: you are so annoying when you are probably right :)
# [16:39] <edmorley> ejpbruel: that part of configure behaves just like the makefiles.sh scripts elsewhere in the tree, and just act as a way to more quickly generate the makefiles/create the directories (ie does depth first directory creation, which can be faster). but ends up being a cat and mouse game trying to keep them in sync (hence bug 696498)
# [16:39] <khuey> I am always probably right
# [16:40] <edmorley> khuey: and by implication: always possible wrong :-)
# [16:40] <edmorley> s/le/ly/
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# [16:40] <khuey> I was going more for the always annoying implication
# [16:41] <ejpbruel> i should be able to pull that rev from m-c, right?
# [16:41] <edmorley> ejpbruel: yup
# [16:41] <ejpbruel> oh thats interesting
# [16:42] <ejpbruel> you cant do a hg pull when you're in the middle of a merge?
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# [16:43] <froydnj> why is NS_DEFINE_IID commented as "obsolete"? we just like NS_DEFINE_{NAMED_,}CID better?
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# [16:43] <boiled_sugar> I get "No rule to make target '/m/temp/ja/browser/firefox-l10n.js' needed by ['<command-line>', '/m/temp/ja/browser/firefox-l10n.js']" error when I compile japanese mozilla central these days
# [16:44] <khuey> froydnj: NS_DEFINE_IID is obsolete because (in theory) you should be using xpidl to generate your interface headers
# [16:44] <boiled_sugar> it used to compile with the same mozconfig
# [16:44] <boiled_sugar> what should I do to fix the error?
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# [16:44] <khuey> froydnj: and you shouldn't be calling QI manually either
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# [16:46] <froydnj> khuey: so all the users of NS_DEFINE_IID and QI should be doing...what?
# [16:46] <Ms2ger> do_QueryInterface
# [16:46] <khuey> right
# [16:46] <khuey> what are you really trying to do here?
# [16:47] <froydnj> achieve enlightenment
# [16:47] <khuey> heh
# [16:47] <khuey> you're talking to the wrong guy then
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# [16:48] <tbsaunde> and looking at the wrong code base
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# [16:48] <khuey> srsly
# [16:48] * khuey suggests something written by knuth
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# [16:50] <ejpbruel> edmorley: so after pulling my tip is rev 854aabf544d4, not 71457e209e1e
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# [16:50] <froydnj> looks like a fair number of NS_DEFINE_IID users are using two-arg QI
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# [16:50] <froydnj> or are using do_{CreateInterface,GetService}
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# [16:51] <khuey> most of them are using NS_DEFINE_IID for CIDs
# [16:51] <khuey> so they're just being silly
# [16:51] <froydnj> shocked, I say
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# [16:51] <edmorley> ejpbruel: that's from november
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# [16:52] <ejpbruel> edmorley: i know, so that cant be right
# [16:52] <edmorley> ejpbruel: do you have mq patches applied?
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# [16:52] <ejpbruel> edmorley: nope, does that matter?
# [16:52] <jfkthame_afk> ejpbruel: did you update, or just pull?
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# [16:53] <ejpbruel> jfkthame: i pulled, i cant update, i would have to merge, but all my heads are from nov or older
# [16:53] <edmorley> ejpbruel: you have locally committed changesets that aren't mqs then?
# [16:53] <ejpbruel> edmorley: that's correct
# [16:54] <jfkthame> pulling by itself doesn't change where you are in history, it just imports changesets but it leaves you where you were
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# [16:55] <ejpbruel> jfkthame: i get that part. so i diverged from the tree at some point by commiting some local changesets. now i pulled the remote heads, but the most recent one seems to be a changeset from november.
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# [16:55] <edmorley> ejpbruel: you really don't want to be committing changesets locally unless you are ready to push them
# [16:55] <ejpbruel> edmorley: i wasnt aware of that, actually
# [16:55] <edmorley> mq is the way forwards :-) http://hgbook.red-bean.com/read/managing-change-with-mercurial-queues.html
# [16:55] <jfkthame> mq is the solution to virtually everything
# [16:55] <jfkthame> :)
# [16:55] <ejpbruel> edmorley: care to explain why it is bad and how it is causing my problem right now? :)
# [16:56] <reuben> you could do hg pull --rebase, but after pull I don't know what can be done…
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# [16:56] <reuben> or is that git?
# [16:56] <Ms2ger> Unfortunately also hg
# [16:56] <Ms2ger> But note that --rebase is known to be rather buggy
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# [16:57] <ejpbruel> reuben: why would i have to do rebase in the first place?
# [16:57] <ejpbruel> reuben: it *should* be fine to diverge from the tree, pull a remote head, and then merge with that one, right?
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# [16:57] <Ms2ger> Preferably not if you're going to push from that tree :)
# [16:58] <ejpbruel> Ms2ger: why?
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# [16:58] <ejpbruel> sorry, but i seem to be not getting it
# [16:58] <edmorley> ejpbruel: it's possible (that's how we do merges from project repos)
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# [16:59] <edmorley> ejpbruel: however, if everyone just merged and didn't rebase, we'd have one merge changeset for every landing, which would be incredibly messy
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# [16:59] <ejpbruel> edmorley: right
# [16:59] <ejpbruel> that makes sense i guess
# [16:59] <ejpbruel> ok so ill be a good boy in the future and use mqs in the future
# [17:00] <edmorley> ejpbruel: mq allows you to have a series of patches that you can unapply (hg qpop), pull from m-c and then reapply (hg qpush)
# [17:00] <ejpbruel> edmorley: that actually sounds very handy, too
# [17:00] <edmorley> ejpbruel: you can also re-order them etc
# [17:00] <ejpbruel> nevertheless, now that i am in this mess, how can i fix my problem?
# [17:00] <edmorley> ejpbruel: hg qimport -r zzzzzz
# [17:00] <edmorley> where zzzz is the topmost local commit
# [17:00] <ejpbruel> so i diverged from the tree and i cant seem to get my hands on the latest head for some reason
# [17:00] <edmorley> then repeat for the rest
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# [17:01] <jwir3> Ms2ger, ping?
# [17:01] <Ms2ger> Yo
# [17:01] <jwir3> hey, do you know what the status of bug 699731 is?
# [17:01] <edmorley> ejpbruel: then once you haven't added local heads, you'll be able to update to m-c tip, by doing hg update
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# [17:01] <jwir3> (I ran into some warnings this morning related to this, so I was just wondering)
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# [17:01] <jwir3> Ms2ger: It looks like the patches are all r+, I'm wondering if it just needs to be checked-in?
# [17:02] <ejpbruel> edmorley: alright
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# [17:02] <Ms2ger> jwir3, as khuey said, see comment 7
# [17:02] <ejpbruel> that still doesnt explain to me why im not able to update to m-c tip now though :S
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# [17:02] <jwir3> Ms2ger: Ah, sorry. It apparently didn't send me mail on that comment.
# [17:03] <jwir3> Ok, question answered ;)
# [17:03] <jwir3> thank you
# [17:03] <reuben> ejpbruel, afaict you'd have to merge multiple times during the process
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# [17:04] <edmorley> ejpbruel: see https://hg.mozilla.org/try/graph/tip
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# [17:04] <edmorley> ejpbruel: the left hand line is marked tip, so if you hg update, you'll get that
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# [17:04] <edmorley> (as an example)
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# [17:05] <espindola> where in bugzilla do I put an it bug?
# [17:05] <espindola> mozilla.org?
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# [17:05] <edmorley> ejpbruel: since you have multiple heads (that aren't merged), you'd have to specify the changeset set when hg updating, eg |hg update -r 63bff373cb94| however, the working directory wouldn't include the changes on the other head that you had made locally
# [17:06] <jwir3> espindola: What part of IT? Like you're noticing a server crash?
# [17:06] <espindola> jwatt, no, would like so ask for a copy of vmware
# [17:06] <jfkthame> espindola: https://intranet.mozilla.org/IT_Help_Desk
# [17:06] <ejpbruel> edmorley: i cannot just hg pull to get the changeset marked tip, and then do a hg merge with that?
# [17:06] <espindola> jfkthame, thanks!
# [17:06] <edmorley> ejpbruel: I'd check out http://hginit.com/index.html it might help
# [17:07] <edmorley> ejpbruel: not if you're going to push to m-c with it, people are required to rebase
# [17:07] <ejpbruel> edmorley: at this point i dont want to push to m-c, merely to try, is that ok?
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# [17:07] <edmorley> ejpbruel: yup that's fine :-)
# [17:08] <ejpbruel> edmorley: ok but i tried hg pull and rev 70918d8e59cd seems to be unknown
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# [17:08] <ejpbruel> edmorley: thats the part im not getting, why cant i get that revision? i get that im not supposed to push to m-c when i made local commits
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# [17:09] <edmorley> ejpbruel: where did you get that revision hash from? it doesn't exist https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/70918d8e59cd
# [17:10] <ejpbruel> edmorley: O\ my bad
# [17:10] <reuben> how do incremental builds work? do I just make -C objdir/changed/module ?
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# [17:10] <ejpbruel> edmorley: should have been 71457e209e1e, the revision you mentioned earlier
# [17:11] <reuben> fooled by the MDN search! google gave me https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Incremental_Build
# [17:11] <ejpbruel> edmorley: same problem though
# [17:11] <edmorley> ejpbruel: I'd pull from tip, since that rev is halfway through an inbound merge
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# [17:12] <ejpbruel> edmorley: it matters from which revision you pull? thats new to me
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# [17:14] <edmorley> ejpbruel: I'm really confused?!? That revision isn't the latest on m-c, it is halfway through an inbound merge earlier. If you're either pulling or updating to it, then you're going to end up with even more heads to merge
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# [17:14] <ejpbruel> edmorley: ok, sorry, obviously im mixing things up here
# [17:15] <ejpbruel> edmorley: all i want is to get the latest tip on m-c
# [17:15] <ejpbruel> edmorley: if i do hg pull, my tip becomes 854aabf544d4, but that is from nov, so it cant be the latest, right?
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# [17:15] <ejpbruel> sorry if im confusing you!
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# [17:17] <edmorley> ejpbruel: |hg merge| and see what it says
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# [17:18] <ejpbruel> edmorley: well, thats what i did earlier. im able to merge my local head with 854aabf544d4 just fine, but then i run into that problem where the config file still has a reference to that makefile.
# [17:18] <ejpbruel> edmorley: you suggested that the problem had been fixed from revision 71457e209e1e, which is what led me to think that thats the one i needed to merge with
# [17:19] <ejpbruel> edmorley: which made me wonder why i didnt see that revision in my hg heads. hope that clears up the confusion a bit.
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# [17:20] <edmorley> ejpbruel: I'm thinking the easiest way for you to visualise what's going on is to use http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/GraphlogExtension
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# [17:21] <edmorley> ejpbruel: just because the change landed in 71457e209e1e, doesn't mean that's m-c tip ; so you won't see it in hg heads
# [17:21] <edmorley> ejpbruel: you did see my comment earlier saying the change is only cosmetic right?
# [17:22] <ejpbruel> edmorley: sure! i was just trying to figure out if there is something im not getting about mercurial here
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# [17:23] <ejpbruel> edmorley: but looks like i just didnt get what you were saying. i should be able to figure this out
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# [17:24] <erione> msucan: i've written a test for bug 704295 - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1398579
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# [17:25] <erione> msucan: i've checked and its working fine,waiting for your feedback
# [17:25] <erione> also i dont know how to upload the test
# [17:25] <erione> i am also ready with final patch with minor changes....
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# [17:28] <msucan> erione: please add the test into the patch
# [17:28] <msucan> that's the usual approach
# [17:29] <msucan> and ask for review
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# [17:29] <msucan> erione: thank you very much!
# [17:29] <erione> ok :)
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# [17:30] <erione> msucan: hg diff doesn't includes the tests, should i include manually?
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# [17:30] <msucan> erione: do hg add path/to/the/new-file
# [17:31] <msucan> and it will show
# [17:31] <erione> ok
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# [17:36] <msucan> erione: thanks for the updated patch. i'll get to it ASAP
# [17:36] <erione> ok :)
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# [17:38] <khuey> gabor: patch looks great
# [17:39] <khuey> i requested a review from mrbkap for the jsapi stuff, and bent to give the idb stuff one more look through
# [17:39] <khuey> but it looks really good
# [17:39] <khuey> great work
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# [17:39] <gandalf> khuey: ping
# [17:40] <khuey> gandalf: pong
# [17:40] <khuey> manage to get some sleep?
# [17:40] <gandalf> khuey: so it worked! I only reused the runtime and it worked!
# [17:40] <gandalf> :)
# [17:40] <gandalf> now, I'm trying to to the same on the nsHTMLElement level (elem.l10nData)
# [17:40] <gandalf> and I got the error that you mentioned yetserday
# [17:40] <gandalf> yesterday
# [17:41] <gandalf> "Assertion failure: compartment mismatched, at /Users/zbraniecki/projects/mozilla/mozilla-central/js/src/jscntxtinlines.h:153"
# [17:41] <gandalf> stack: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1398588
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# [17:41] <gandalf> the code looks very similar: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1398589
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# [17:42] <gandalf> and that's the code I use to set elem->mL10nData http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1398590
# [17:42] <khuey> gandalf: ok, so mL10nData was created in your own special compartment, right?
# [17:42] * philor idly wonders who's going to fix that Windows PGO problem
# [17:42] <khuey> philor: what's broken now?
# [17:42] <gandalf> it was created in nsHtml5TreeOperation::Perform
# [17:43] <gandalf> using L20nContext->jsctx
# [17:43] <khuey> right, ok
# [17:43] <gandalf> the same as the document::mL10nData
# [17:43] <gandalf> not sure why it worked on document but not on element
# [17:43] <gandalf> may be just luck
# [17:43] <gandalf> :)
# [17:43] <philor> khuey: same old same, inbound PGO build and nightly, with any luck we managed to tranfer it to central and Saturday's nightly will burn too
# [17:43] <gabor> khuey: thanks! I'll wait for the other reviews then will fix the comments
# [17:43] <gandalf> you mentioned yesterday some magic to get the cross-compartment work?
# [17:44] <khuey> gandalf: right
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# [17:44] <khuey> philor: lovely :-/
# [17:45] <philor> mayhemer relanded one of the things I hounded out of the tree the last time, but I think he got a couple of green builds before it turned red again
# [17:45] <khuey> gandalf: try http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1398620 ?
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# [17:46] <khuey> sheppy: so if I write you an email explaining how to use pyxpidl can you turn that into MDN docs?
# [17:46] <philor> four, actually
# [17:46] <gandalf> khuey: works!
# [17:46] <gandalf> woa!
# [17:47] <sheppy> khuey: absolutely
# [17:47] <khuey> sheppy: ok, cool
# [17:47] <khuey> gandalf: :-D
# [17:47] <gandalf> should I also do this on the document (even if it worked without it?)
# [17:47] <gandalf> ?
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# [17:47] <khuey> I *think* so
# [17:47] <khuey> I'd be curious to know why it worked without it
# [17:47] <sheppy> khuey: and if said email shows up and is relatively comprehensible, I might even call you a rock star. :)
# [17:47] <khuey> but better safe than sorry
# [17:47] <gandalf> :)
# [17:47] <khuey> sheppy: heh
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# [17:52] <edmorley> philor: I picked a cset that was green for pgo, but presume from what you were saying that it was by chance?
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# [17:52] <edmorley> philor: I thought it was another landing triggering that same problem, so retiggered a load of pgo builds between the green and the failure, but the results are somewhat hit or miss
# [17:52] <philor> who knows where the Win PGO build on mozilla-central wound up?
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# [17:55] <edmorley> philor: time to file the "please can we make all opt builds pgo" bug perhaps? :-)
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# [17:55] <philor> time to go to work
# [17:55] <lurking> didn't they used to be that way, and was changed so that the devs could get builds faster rather than waiting 4hrs + for PGO builds ?
# [17:56] <edmorley> yup
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# [17:59] <mounir> smaug: do you want me to merge some patches? one of the issue here is that some patches have to be reviewed by you and some by cjones and I prefer to keep those separated
# [17:59] <mounir> (with certains limits)
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# [18:02] <smaug> mounir: no need to merge
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# [18:03] <smaug> it is just getting hard to remember/know what is happening and where
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# [19:25] <taras> protz: ?
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# [19:33] <IanN> i'm having problems running anything I build, I keep getting "Error: Platform version '8.0' is not compatible with minVersion >= 11.0a1 maxVersion <= 11.0a1", why is it trying to use the system supplied xulrunner?
# [19:34] <bholley> khuey: if you have a sec to weight in on bug 708499 I'd be grateful, since it's time sensitive. I've got to head out for 45 min or so and then I'll be back
# [19:35] <khuey> bholley: looking
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# [19:38] <taras> does opera have a similar architecture to us?
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# [19:38] <taras> ie everything is mainthread and single process?
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# [19:40] <khuey> bholley: the html5 parser test failures are ... interesting
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# [19:43] <protz> taras: bug 709000
# [19:43] <protz> most likely a duplicate
# [19:43] <protz> but thanks :)
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# [19:46] <lurking> protz: maybe fixed by the backout of bug 703143 -
# [19:46] <lurking> that happened this morning post nightly build
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# [19:52] <edmorley> philor++
# [19:53] <edmorley> philor: have retriggered a load on mayhemer's try run (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709192) and more PGO retriggers on inbound, so hope to have a clearer picture in a few hours
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# [19:55] <philor> edmorley / mbrubeck / khuey : since we can't promise anything about when we can merge inbound, should we close it?
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# [19:56] <@bz_sleep> hrm
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# [19:56] <@bz> is there some place on ftp where old releases live?
# [19:56] <philor> and I've got about 9 minutes before I'm afk for an hour, so someone else will probably need to do so
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# [19:57] <@bz> ah, have to use ftp://
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# [19:57] <mak> philor: what do you mean by promises? the merge procedure exists so that it can be merged when it's green, that may even be in days (the only issue may be if someone is not aware and does a merge)
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# [19:57] <philor> mak: no, we promise in the tree rules to merge once a day
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# [19:57] <mak> philor: if the tree is green
# [19:58] <philor> if it's not, we promise to make it green
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# [19:58] <mak> is anybody looking into the issue (Sorry I'm not up-to-date)
# [19:58] <philor> no
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# [19:58] <mak> is the issue filed somewhere?
# [19:58] <philor> you're even cc'ed!
# [19:59] <edmorley> mak: bhug 709193 and bug 709192
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# [19:59] <khuey> bz: http hits the mirror network, which doesn't have everything, AIUI
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# [19:59] <protz> lurking: alright, thx
# [19:59] <philor> one possibility is that if we kicked mayhemer back out, we might or might not get one or more green PGO builds, which would prove nothing
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# [20:00] <philor> given that we got several after he relanded
# [20:00] <mbrubeck> At least then we would *know* nothing instead of just *thinking* nothing....
# [20:00] <mak> so this is sort of a random-burning pgo?
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# [20:00] <philor> is it random? I haven't had time to look at today to see if we've gotten any green since the first red
# [20:01] <mak> I have seen some green... that's why I'm asking
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# [20:01] <khuey> what's the magic tbpl thing to not hide builds?
# [20:01] <philor> I think it's more "we have no idea what large set of changes can cause some other unknown change which puts us in the hosed state"
# [20:01] <mak> on 02ec94922e96
# [20:01] <khuey> /tests/whatever
# [20:02] <mak> I mean, 02ec94922e96 has a green pgo, next one is burning, on roc's push
# [20:02] <edmorley> mbrubeck, mak: I retriggered 5 runs on mayhemers PGO try push a while ago, eta 2 hours https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=975e8a166623
# [20:02] <mak> edmorley: why not backing out roc?
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# [20:03] <philor> khuey: &noignore=1
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# [20:03] <mbrubeck> mak: Sounds worth a try
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# [20:04] <mak> that said, maybe I'm arriving here without knowing the past history of this issue, and throwing out dumb suggestions
# [20:04] <khuey> philor|afk: ty
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# [20:04] <edmorley> mak: I retriggered a load a few hours ago, was going to wait until the results were back (thought it would be longer, maybe they are done already)
# [20:05] <mak> edmorley: surely on your backout win pgo is green
# [20:05] <mak> so maybe you just fixed it and the next push broke it again
# [20:05] <edmorley> mak: the backout was for make-check failures
# [20:05] <mak> on win
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# [20:07] <mak> hm, but yeah looking at the logs, there is the same kind of failure before and after that green B
# [20:07] <mak> so, it's even possible just a random build failure...
# [20:07] <mak> that will be trickier to figure out
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# [20:08] <edmorley> it was intermitent when it happened a couple of days ago too, which
# [20:08] <edmorley> as you say is making things difficult
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# [20:10] <mak> :(
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# [20:11] <edmorley> bring on msvc2010
# [20:11] <edmorley> (presuming this is a compiler bug)
# [20:11] <@bz> jcranmer: ping
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# [20:13] <wg9s> edmorley: A change 2 years behind its time?
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# [20:14] <jcranmer> bz pong
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# [20:15] <mak> edmorley: the sps profiler is another windows only change in the timeframe
# [20:16] <edmorley> yeah was eyeing that up
# [20:16] <mak> edmorley: I'd suggest to trigger a pgo on it
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# [20:16] <edmorley> done
# [20:16] <mak> it's exactly before the first failure (that is a nightly)
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# [20:17] <mjschranz> sicking: ping
# [20:17] <sicking> mjschranz: pong
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# [20:19] <mjschranz> sicking: I just wanted to confirm before I submitted this patch to prevent wasting as much time as possible. I've made a patch that has all the renaming to nsPLDOMEvent and nsLoadBlockingPLDOMEvent and one that had the changes to nsLoadBlockingPLDOMEvent on top of the nsPLDOMEvent ones, so you only see those specific changes.
# [20:19] <mjschranz> sicking: Just wanted to double check which was the appropriate one here.
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# [20:20] <edmorley> glandium: did you mean build config for that bug?
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# [20:21] <glandium> edmorley: doh, no
# [20:21] <glandium> muscle memory
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# [20:22] <bbondy> Is it ok to start using STL in mozilla C++ code now? I feel dirty sometimes coding things in C like C++.
# [20:23] <smaug> I would guess no
# [20:23] <smaug> what happens if stl method should throw
# [20:23] <jcranmer> we can use some STL stuff
# [20:23] <glandium> kaboom
# [20:23] <jcranmer> there's a list somewhere
# [20:24] <jcranmer> if the stl method would throw, I think abort() gets called somewhere
# [20:24] <smaug> bbondy: just curious, in which case would you like to use stl ?
# [20:24] <sicking> mjschranz: you just need to attach the latter one
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# [20:25] <mjschranz> sicking: That's what I thought. Thanks for your help.
# [20:25] * smaug has been coding Gecko too long to remember if he liked stl
# [20:25] <bbondy> smaug nothing in particular comes to mind, but in general there are a lot of times that simpler code could be written if STL was allowed.
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# [20:25] <sicking> mjschranz: i'll review that and then land both the patch that i'd already reviewed, and the new one
# [20:25] <sicking> mjschranz: just make sure thta the new patch applies on top of the one that's already reviewed
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# [20:25] <glandium> bbondy: a lot of times people want to use STL where we have APIs to do the same thing, too
# [20:26] <bbondy> glandium: understood
# [20:26] <jcranmer> bbondy: you have to get approval to use STL code in mozilla
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# [20:26] <bbondy> just seemed we are moving towards more standards stuff so that's why I asked
# [20:26] <jcranmer> but there are a few things we have approved
# [20:26] <bbondy> ok
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# [20:26] <bbondy> fair enough I just wanted to get clarification, thanks.
# [20:26] <mjschranz> sicking: Does that simply mean it's done as if the first patches changes were already in m-c? Kind of like the bug might have originally been to rename nsLoadBlockingPLDOMEvent?
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# [20:27] <sicking> mjschranz:
# [20:27] <jcranmer> we have std::pop_heap, e.g.
# [20:27] <sicking> mjschranz: yes
# [20:27] <smaug> also, I assume when using stl performance characteristics are somewhat unknown
# [20:27] <jcranmer> and I even see a few std::map's flopping around
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# [20:28] <sicking> mjschranz: when i land them, i'll first land the patch that's already reviewed, then land the second patch
# [20:28] <glandium> jcranmer: yeah, i'm not convinced that's wise to use std::map
# [20:28] <sicking> mjschranz: technically i'll push them both at the same time, but the effect is the same
# [20:28] <catlee> philor|afk: did not
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# [20:29] <jcranmer> glandium: I suspect most/all of our std::map usage is "we pulled in third-party code that used it"
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# [20:29] <glandium> jcranmer: i think so too. Most of "our" stl use comes from there
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# [20:30] <jcranmer> what I would approve is making our code more stl-compatible
# [20:30] <glandium> jcranmer: you mean like using more operator<< and stuff ?
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# [20:30] <erione> msucan: thanks for the feedback, i'll be ready with new patch most probably by tomorrow
# [20:31] <jcranmer> no, I mean making, e.g., nsTArray usable as a drop-in replacement for std::vector
# [20:31] <msucan> erione: my pleasure!
# [20:31] <@bz> taras: ping
# [20:31] <taras> bz: pong
# [20:31] <@bz> taras: so https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709217
# [20:32] <@bz> taras: is your concern the performance or the UI responsiveness?
# [20:32] <taras> responsiveness
# [20:32] <@bz> taras: then you lose
# [20:32] <@bz> taras: I'll comment in the bug
# [20:32] <glandium> jcranmer: mmmm
# [20:32] <erione> msucan: this tests were failing even when i was trying, so will i have to modify the test files which are having the problems?
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# [20:33] <msucan> erione: yes, but make the changes while keeping their initial intent
# [20:33] <jcranmer> glandium: naturally, screw compatibility with iostreams
# [20:33] <msucan> check what they were testing for and so on
# [20:33] <erione> msucan: ok :)
# [20:33] <msucan> while taking into consideration the new behavior
# [20:33] <erione> hmm
# [20:33] <@bz> taras: in the "needs total architectural change" sense
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# [20:34] <taras> bz: i'll wait for your reply
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# [20:35] <Ms2ger> iostreams? Who uses those?
# [20:35] <@bz> taras: it's in the bug
# [20:35] <froydnj> bjarne
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# [20:36] <Ms2ger> Also, std::vector has an insane api, from what I hear
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# [20:36] <ted2> it's not that bad
# [20:36] <ted2> i wish our hashtables had an iterator api and not the Enumerate garbage
# [20:36] <jcranmer> ++
# [20:36] <Ms2ger> File a bug :)
# [20:36] <@bz> ted2: jshashtable does, iirc
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# [20:37] <khuey> jshashtable is so much nicer than the xpcom ones
# [20:37] <Ms2ger> It's public, no?
# [20:37] <jcranmer> even better is if we could use C++11 ranged-for notation
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# [20:37] <@bz> khuey: it's a lot more code-bloaty too
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# [20:38] <khuey> yeah, you win some, you lose some :-/
# [20:38] <khuey> the api is nicer though
# [20:38] <@bz> yes
# [20:38] <@bz> well
# [20:38] <@bz> maybe
# [20:38] <Ms2ger> bholley, the OSX M4 looks all too real :(
# [20:38] <Ms2ger> well
# [20:38] <Ms2ger> no
# [20:38] <Ms2ger> ?
# [20:39] <@bz> Ms2ger: the 10.7 m4?
# [20:39] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [20:39] <@bz> Ms2ger: that happens without bholley's patch too, if we're talking about the same thing
# [20:39] <Ms2ger> Oh, good
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# [20:44] * wg9s realizes ... Oh that was bholly. ;-)
# [20:45] <dholbert> wakka wakka
# [20:46] <bholley> akeybl: ping
# [20:46] <Ms2ger> Holly?
# [20:46] <bholley> Ms2ger: Buddy Holly
# [20:46] <dholbert> Ms2ger, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That%27ll_Be_the_Day
# [20:47] <wg9s> At wrok I get made fun of by people who (as a you are just too old) ask if that was from before 1982.
# [20:48] <blizzard> sicking: you around right now?
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# [20:49] <sicking> blizzard: in MV
# [20:49] <wg9s> I am obvioauly in the before 1962 timezone.
# [20:49] <blizzard> sicking: oh! ok
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# [20:51] <akeybl> bholley: pong
# [20:51] <bholley> akeybl: the patches in the memory leak bug are ready to flag for approval. You want them, right?
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# [20:54] <wg9s> I remember when Buddy Holly died even though I was only 8 years old at the time.
# [20:54] <jcranmer> I probably wasn't born
# [20:55] <bholley> wg9s: we all do, thanks to don mcleon
# [20:55] <wg9s> But I remember from back when he diead
# [20:56] <wg9s> and the Big Bopper and Richie Valens all died in the same plane crash.
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# [20:57] <akeybl> bholley: reading up now
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# [20:57] <bholley> akeybl: great, thanks :-)
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# [20:58] <wg9s> And even my parents, not big rock and roll fans felt a loss here becuase my brother and i had asked for a big bopper record for the previous chistmas and they had toruobe but eventually found it.
# [20:59] <wg9s> so the whole plane crash was oddd in that my parents who had no clue about that area of music knew something had been lost.
# [20:59] <wg9s> I wondr why it was a big bopper and not a buddy holly record we had asked for.
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# [20:59] <wg9s> we had a whole list of recoreds we wanted and they asked us to whittle it down.
# [21:00] <wg9s> I guess somehow the Buddy Holly ones dind;t make the cut.
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# [21:02] <lurking> And this has been the 'golden age of radio', now back to your regularly scheduled programming
# [21:04] <wg9s> bholley: First time i ever heard that Don McLean song was actually live at the old Boston Garden. It was not yet a hit or heard on the radio. He was the opening act for whatever concert it was I was there to see.
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# [21:29] <erione> msucan: in the test browser_webconsole_completion.js
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# [21:29] <erione> the work which is done by TAB and SHIFT_TAB is now done by UP and DOWN arrow keys
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# [21:29] <erione> so should i change the test file considering this?
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# [21:31] <msucan> erione: let me check that
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# [21:36] <wg9s> Sop we alwaysnow what is going on on mozilla-central
# [21:37] <wg9s> if we have an issue on mozilla-inbound becuase of not haivning done a pgo build recently that should be OK.
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# [21:38] <wg9s> adn if it is harder to land on central without being from a merge from inbound then there would be no additional load.
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# [21:38] <msucan> erione: just checked...
# [21:39] <wg9s> because we have a lot of rules on inblound and if there is an issue we just backout.
# [21:39] <wg9s> supposedly
# [21:39] <msucan> erione: the comments of the test are wrong
# [21:39] <msucan> nevermind them...
# [21:39] <wg9s> and figure out how to put back in an dtest appropriately
# [21:39] <lurking> 2g9yes, but then we're back to where we came from on m-c - taking 4_hrs for results
# [21:39] <lurking> damn, messed that up :P
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# [21:40] <edmorley> better 4 hours -> no failure than 2hrs -> failure, then 10 x retriggers at 4 hours -> intermitent failure + pulling hair out
# [21:41] <lurking> haha
# [21:41] <wg9s> lurking: I think you missed my point was every central thing did a PGO builde
# [21:41] <wg9s> build
# [21:41] <edmorley> I missed a few bits out there, but I think you see what I mean :-)
# [21:41] <wg9s> most things land on inblund first
# [21:42] <wg9s> and change the rulkes for the merge to be rather than last green inbound build
# [21:42] <edmorley> inblund, is that like inbound but with working win pgo builds? :-)
# [21:42] <wg9s> to be last green with pgo builds
# [21:42] <edmorley> wg9s: my merge earlier was last green pgo
# [21:42] <wg9s> so had to have green pgo on inbound to merge with central
# [21:42] <lurking> what became of the pgo build every 4 hrs ?
# [21:42] <lurking> or whatever the interval was
# [21:43] <lurking> maybe every 4 builds
# [21:43] <edmorley> it's still going
# [21:43] <edmorley> 4 hours
# [21:43] <wg9s> so can continue tihout needing a lot more build machines but less likely to land anything we cant figure out where the regression came from.
# [21:43] <lurking> and stuff is still falling through that crack ?
# [21:43] <edmorley> it's just causing repeated problems where failures are only showing up on PGO
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# [21:43] <edmorley> and then you have to bisect 10-20 changesets by manually triggering PGO builds on them
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# [21:44] <wg9s> and eyes it might take 4 hours longs for something on inbound to make it to central, but i think the we are sure what is oninobund actullyworks before it goes to central is a big plus
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# [21:44] <edmorley> and either you're lucky, and you haven't merged it (in which case you are still holding up inbound merging, which for example resulted in a backlog of 110 csets this morning)
# [21:44] <wg9s> and it si still we need to gfigure out how to get a pgo windows build to tak under 4 hours.
# [21:44] <edmorley> or you aren't lucky and you merge the bustage ready for the next pgo nightly from m-c
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# [21:45] <wg9s> but the fact that it takes 4 hours is not a good reason to do things that are kind of really stuypid.
# [21:45] <wg9s> stupid.
# [21:45] <lurking> wg9s: windows pgo has been dog slow since pgo's introduction into the product
# [21:45] <edmorley> wg9s: which is why philor has filed bug 709192
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# [21:46] <lurking> build wise that is - not speed of the product :)
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# [21:47] <edmorley> the goal of 4 hr pgo builds was admirable, but it was proposed on the (at the time) belief that rarely did issues only show on PGO and not standard builds
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# [21:48] <wg9s> edmorley: and that is why I do not do PGO on the builds i do myslef which is what I runb and I have not found any noticable difference between my builds for speed and the PGO builds.
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# [21:48] <lurking> ^ this - I was about to say the same thing since I run mainly hourly builds
# [21:49] <wg9s> So my opinion is that the PGO builds only help the artificial benchmarks that are used as input to the PGO and in the real world are of zero benefit over a non-pgo build (but just my opinion i could be wrong0
# [21:49] <lurking> disavantage to that is of course no pgo , and lack of symbols should I run into a crashy build
# [21:49] <lurking> I agree with Bill on that
# [21:49] <jprmc> ehsan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=633602
# [21:50] <wg9s> lurking:can you actually quantify any disadvantage of a non-pgo build other than on a benchmark that it was specifically profiled to help?
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# [21:50] <mak> edmorley: well, we could do an half way reducing the pgo hit ratio (like one every 3 pushes or every 2)
# [21:50] <lurking> wg9s: no
# [21:51] <wg9s> eaxcatly
# [21:51] <edmorley> mak: yeah making it number of push based rather than time, might help
# [21:51] <lurking> especially since I rarely if ever run any of the benchmark tests -
# [21:51] <wg9s> PGO is just a way to caheat on benchmarks that does not really help anything in the real world
# [21:51] <mak> edmorley: and have a NOPGO automatic hook for when you don't push any cpp/h/build changes?
# [21:51] <mak> edmorley: I mean, there are lots of changes where pgo is useless... test changes or js only changes
# [21:52] <jprmc> ehsan: http://vocamus.net/dave/?cat=28
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# [21:55] <wg9s> And my other issue with PGO toher than that I see no difference in my borwsing between non PGO and PGO builds is that since PGO was turned on the partioa update size has gone up by about 15 times.
# [21:55] <jprmc> ehsan: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/Features/NPAPIAsyncDrawing
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# [21:58] <wg9s> But then since I just run my own pgo builds I guess that last issue on the partial update size being ridiculously large (particularly on on those occasions when there were zero checkins) does not really effect me.
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# [22:02] <edmorley> pgo builds eta ~30, ~40, ~120, ~150 mins, so will hopefully know more as they complete
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# [22:02] <wg9s> Hmm I thoutght we ran them only if not run within last 4 hours sothose times seem odd.
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# [22:04] <@bz> nice
# [22:04] <@bz> this telemetry thing is being a 10% perf hit. :(
# [22:04] <froydnj> doh
# [22:04] <@bz> mozilla::Telemetry::AccumulateTimeDelta(Telemetry::XUL_REFLOW_MS,
# [22:04] <@bz> timerStart);
# [22:04] <@bz> this one
# [22:05] <@bz> froydnj: do you know anything about that probe?
# [22:05] <edmorley> wg9s: those are the manual retriggers I was talking about
# [22:05] <froydnj> bz: we put it in to figure out what was going on with mobile builds and XUL
# [22:06] <froydnj> given recent changes, we could probably back it out, unless we care about twiddling with XUL on the desktop
# [22:06] <@bz> froydnj: ok. So right now this is done even when there's nothing to reflow
# [22:06] <@bz> froydnj: mind if I put the "is there something to reflow?" early return _before_ all that gunk?
# [22:06] <froydnj> ooo, that's not good
# [22:06] <smaug> bz: does that telemetry thing show up in the profiles even if telemetry is disabled?
# [22:06] <froydnj> bz: you know the code way better than me, so I defer
# [22:06] <@bz> well
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# [22:07] <@bz> it depends on what you're trying to measure
# [22:07] <froydnj> bz: I agree that it's only worth measuring if we're actually going to reflow
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# [22:07] <@bz> my gut feeling is that you're not interested in the speed of the boolean "is there something to reflow?" check
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# [22:08] <froydnj> yeah, probably not (said mostly in ignorance)
# [22:10] <erione> msucan: i run all tests again...some are still failing (dont know they are actually related to this bug or not)
# [22:11] <erione> btw i fixed those two,which you pasted in the link
# [22:11] <msucan> erione: they are related, please fix all failures before submitting the patch
# [22:11] <wg9s> edmorley: Oh IC
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# [22:11] <msucan> erione: the ones i pasted were errors that probably blocked some of the tests from running to completion
# [22:12] <msucan> hence you see new failures now
# [22:12] <wg9s> so manually re-triggered PGO builds to see where we stand.
# [22:12] <msucan> erione: all tests pass without the patch applied - we can't land changes that break tests :(
# [22:12] <erione> msucan: ok, fine
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# [22:14] <msucan> erione: thank you
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# [22:15] <@bz> jdm: ping
# [22:15] <jdm> bz: pong
# [22:15] <@bz> jdm: how hard would it be to add a way for bzexport to post -w diffs?
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# [22:16] <jdm> hmm, I suspect not particularly
# [22:16] <jdm> let me dip in the code for a moment
# [22:16] <@bz> jdm: /me has a wdiff alias already
# [22:16] <@bz> cmd.wdiff = diff
# [22:16] <@bz> opts.wdiff = -p -U 8 -w -r -N
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# [22:18] <@bz> jdm: (note that this is not the same as the built-in hg diff -w)
# [22:18] <jdm> right
# [22:18] <jdm> I'm reading the mercurial source right now to find out what diffopts does, as well as export
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# [22:19] <@bz> jdm: fun
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# [22:20] <jdm> bz: does ignorews = True in your hgrc produce the result you want?
# [22:21] <jdm> or is that hg diff -qw
# [22:21] <jdm> er
# [22:21] <jdm> -w
# [22:21] <jdm> ?
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# [22:21] <@bz> I'm not sure
# [22:21] <@bz> let me check
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# [22:23] <@bz> jdm: hmm
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# [22:23] <@bz> jdm: trying to recall why hg diff -w wasn't the right thing....
# [22:24] <@bz> http://mercurial.selenic.com/bts/issue127
# [22:24] <@bz> is that fixed or something?
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# [22:24] <@bz> if so, then maybe there's just no more issue with hg diff -w
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# [22:26] <jdm> bz: it says it's resolved
# [22:26] <@bz> jdm: ok, then doing the normal hg diff -w thing might be fine
# [22:26] <@bz> jdm: and probably simpler
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# [22:28] <smaug> khuey: you know xpidl.py ?
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# [22:29] <jwir3> hm, so the multicol spec changed since our first implementation. some of the tests expect that the default behavior is different than the current default behavior, wrt column-fill. (i.e. they expect that it should be column-fill: auto, where column-fill: balance is the default). Is it reasonable to change the tests in this case to add column-fill: auto, or will this mask a problem with compatibility for websites?
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# [22:30] <khuey> smaug: somewhat
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# [22:31] <roc> jwir3: change our tests
# [22:31] <jwir3> roc: ok, thanks.
# [22:32] <smaug> khuey: do you think it would be hard to add support for dictionaries?
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# [22:32] <smaug> though, I don't know what kind of code and where should be generated
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# [22:32] <jdm> bz: I'm pretty sure I can see how to add a -w option to bzexport that adds adds the equivalent of -w to your regular diff settings
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# [22:33] <jdm> bz: is that what you're looking for?
# [22:33] <jaws> taras: i have taken bug 198964. please feel free to file any dependent bugs and reassign as needed.
# [22:33] <@bz> jdm: yep
# [22:33] <@bz> jdm: exactly
# [22:34] <@bz> jdm: My desired usage is |hg bzexport -r someone -d "Part N diff -w for review convenience" -w |
# [22:34] <jdm> can do
# [22:34] <khuey> smaug: the question is what that looks like on the native side
# [22:34] <@bz> jdm: awesome, thanks!
# [22:34] <khuey> and in typelibs
# [22:35] <khuey> I think for the most part we're avoiding adding stuff to XPIDL
# [22:35] <@bz> roc: ping
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# [22:35] <khuey> under the assumption that we'll have the WebIDL based bindings stuff up and going relatively soon
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# [22:35] <khuey> (meaning in months instead of years)
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# [22:37] <roc> hi
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# [22:37] <smaug> khuey: actually, atm I want something a bit different, since I'd like to create some more code automatically. and interface would be enough, no need for dictionary.
# [22:37] <@bz> roc: so the Flush_Layout case in presshell gets the root prescontext and updates plugin geometry
# [22:38] <@bz> roc: why do we need to do that for non-root presshells?
# [22:38] <@bz> roc: only to handle cases when someone flushes the presshell directly, not the document, right
# [22:38] <@bz> roc: ?
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# [22:38] <smaug> khuey: I wonder if xpidl.py would give me names and types of the attributes in an interface
# [22:38] <roc> if you have a plugin in a subdocument
# [22:39] <roc> and the subdoc layout changes
# [22:39] <gandalf> In C++ I have a class that loads resources and once it does load all resources, I'd like to allow to fire a function/method provided by the programmer. Sth like javascript "onready=myfunction" equivalent. Should I create my own nsL10nContextObserver class with ::OnLoadingComplete method and (like nsIStreamLoaderObserver does) or is there an easier way to just get a method/function and fire it later?
# [22:39] <roc> you need to update the plugin geometry
# [22:39] <roc> all plugin geometry changes go through the rootprescontext
# [22:39] <@bz> roc: yes, but FlushLayout on a _document_ will also flush layout on all ancestor documents
# [22:39] <@bz> roc: so the only concern is direct calls on a presshell
# [22:39] <smaug> gandalf: could you use events?
# [22:40] <IanN> i'm having problems running anything I build on Fedora 15 (used to work fine on Fedora 12), I keep getting "Error: Platform version '8.0' is not compatible with minVersion >= 11.0a1 maxVersion <= 11.0a1", why is it trying to use the system supplied xulrunner?
# [22:40] <gandalf> smaug: not sure. how it works?
# [22:40] <smaug> gandalf: in which context are you?
# [22:40] <gandalf> C++
# [22:40] <khuey> smaug: yes
# [22:40] <smaug> I mean, is this for web pages or chrome or modules?
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# [22:40] <gandalf> accross
# [22:41] <@bz> roc: which in practice means the callers in nsSelection, print engine, svg image wrapper, xul popup manager, list box body frame, synth mouse moves....
# [22:41] <@bz> roc: hrm
# [22:41] <gandalf> my code has to be available to all contexts (localization service)
# [22:41] <smaug> gandalf: but it would be a JS code in chrome which should be called?
# [22:41] <gandalf> no
# [22:41] <@bz> roc: ok, so maybe changing this would be too fragile
# [22:41] <gandalf> it will be C++ code
# [22:41] <gandalf> that should be called
# [22:42] <gandalf> like, nsHTMLDocument::LocalizeNodes may be an example of a method that will be called
# [22:42] <smaug> oh, this is all C++
# [22:42] <gandalf> yeah
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# [22:43] <smaug> gandalf: you could add AddL10nObserver(nsIObserver* aObserver); and call the observer when then thing is done
# [22:43] <smaug> I guess that is close to OnLoadingComplete
# [22:43] <gandalf> yeah
# [22:43] <gandalf> ok, that sounds fair
# [22:43] <smaug> khuey: any hints how?
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# [22:44] <smaug> xpidl.py doesn't have too many comments
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# [22:45] <gavin> freelance writer
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# [22:46] <khuey> smaug: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/idl-parser/header.py?mark=503,522-524
# [22:47] <khuey> smaug: and then look in print_header and write_interface
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# [22:47] <khuey> the header generating code is pretty easy to follow
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# [22:49] <khuey> heh
# [22:49] <smaug> khuey: anyway, thanks.
# [22:49] <jdm> bz: pushed
# [22:49] <@bz> roc: can I assume that if IsRoot() on the prescontext then GetRootPresContext will return self?
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# [22:49] <smaug> khuey: I'm just trying to figure out if there was some easy way to generate code for event ctors
# [22:50] <jdm> bz: keep in mind that it will exhibit the same obsoleting behaviour as normal
# [22:50] <@bz> jdm: hrm
# [22:50] <@bz> jdm: that's suboptimal
# [22:50] <jdm> yeah, I just realized that
# [22:50] <jdm> maybe I'll append a _ws on the filename bugzilla receives
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# [22:50] <jdm> so it'll obsolete any previous whitespace-less patches
# [22:50] <@bz> jdm: that sounds great
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# [22:52] <khuey> smaug: what kind of code do you want to generate?
# [22:52] <roc> bz: I hope so, I don't 100% know
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# [22:52] <jdm> bz: pull again, should be fine now
# [22:53] <@bz> roc: ok
# [22:53] <@bz> roc: optimizing away the remaining flush gunk is a lot harder than the two patches you already reviewed. ;)
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# [22:53] * @bz is somewhat tempted to bail on some of the fine-grained bits and just use the big hammer
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# [22:54] <khuey> skip the hammers
# [22:54] <khuey> go straight to the flamethrowers
# [22:54] <khuey> they're more fun
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# [22:55] <smaug> khuey: probably have right type of stack variable for each idl attribute, then call the getters (possibly only if JS_HasProperty returns true) and call certain method
# [22:55] <smaug> should be easy
# [22:55] <smaug> for someone who knows xpidl.py
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# [22:56] <smaug> khuey: something like this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1398836
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# [22:57] <roc> bz: you can probably optimize based on whether there are any plugins in non-hidden tabs
# [22:57] <khuey> smaug: yeah that shouldn't be too hard to do
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# [23:01] <Wes_> does anybody remember the name of the HTML input text box that predates forms? <search> or something?
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# [23:04] <wg9s> <cave drawings> ?
# [23:04] <wg9s> :-)
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# [23:05] <Wes_> AH! found it
# [23:05] <Wes_> wg9s: ISINDEX
# [23:05] <Wes_> you were close, though!
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# [23:07] <smaug> khuey: how do I run header.py?
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# [23:07] <smaug> "Print a C++ header file for the IDL files specified on the command line" doesn't seem to work
# [23:07] <NeilAway> bah, ehsan missed some easy issues
# [23:07] <smaug> ahaa, ImportError: No module named ply
# [23:08] <smaug> whatever that means
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# [23:09] <khuey> smaug: yeah you need some pythonpath magic
# [23:09] <khuey> it's really not designed to be run outside of hte build system
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# [23:11] <mak> edmorley: in case you wonder, SPS patch has a burning pgo
# [23:11] <khuey> time to put that train into reverse?
# [23:12] <edmorley> mak: nice, that's helpful (presuming you looked via buildapi as it's not yet on tbpl)
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# [23:12] <mak> yes
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# [23:13] <edmorley> so that leave ehsan and bhackett as our final contestants
# [23:13] <edmorley> leaves
# [23:14] <mak> right, I'd probably vote for the former
# [23:14] <mak> btw, you other retrigger may finish shortly
# [23:15] <mak> the one on mbrubeck's patch
# [23:15] <edmorley> still weird about that random green higher up
# [23:15] <mak> yes, it's weird
# [23:15] <edmorley> mak: yeah, shame it wasn't on bhackett's (I just picked a load of roughly equally spaced csets without looking at contents earlier)
# [23:16] <mbrubeck> wow, you did a retrigger on my push that is NPOTB on Windows?
# [23:16] <mbrubeck> oh, got it
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# [23:16] <mak> well, that push is in the middle
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# [23:16] <mak> so if it's green likely it's ehsan, if it's red likely it's bhackett
# [23:17] * wg9s wonders what color he is.
# [23:17] <edmorley> mak: oh yeah, i mis-read to mean it wasn't in the middle, that will help then :-)
# [23:17] <mak> with that bit of risk associated to the fact this is a random red :)
# [23:17] <edmorley> (I planned it all along muhahaha)
# [23:17] <mbrubeck> Hmm, the green builds take around 4 hours to build
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# [23:17] <mbrubeck> while the red ones fail after ~2.5 hours
# [23:18] <mbrubeck> the one on my push has already been running for 3 hours
# [23:18] <mbrubeck> so I'm betting on green
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# [23:18] <edmorley> i concur
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# [23:19] <edmorley> on the plus side, we're managed to contain all this to inbound, so at least the nightly is safe
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# [23:20] <mak> right, still something re PGO is clearly broken if there's such a risk
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# [23:26] <edmorley> mak: agreed; philor filed bug 709193
# [23:26] <mak> Already commented there
# [23:26] <mak> ehr not there, in the other one
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# [23:28] <mbrubeck> wtf? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=c28beca4a896 is red but has test results...
# [23:28] <philor> keep in mind that thus far, we are 100% on finding the patch at fault, backing it out, getting green, and finding that the patch was not at fault and relanding it
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# [23:29] <mak> hm if UX has the same error, we are in troubles
# [23:29] <mbrubeck> Yeah, I'm half-expecting it to be some sort of cumulative thing where errors are related to total code size or something.
# [23:29] <khuey> it wouldn't be the first time that's happened ...
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# [23:30] <khuey> but if that is in fact what's happening we're just screwed
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# [23:30] <edmorley> khuey: other than switching to msvc2010 sooner... ;-)
# [23:30] <edmorley> (presuming it would even fix it)
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# [23:30] <edmorley> mak, mbrubeck: worrying that UX shows the failure
# [23:30] <mak> indeed
# [23:30] <mbrubeck> yeah
# [23:31] <mak> are we sure there have been no changes to the win boxes?
# [23:31] <mbrubeck> and even before their last merge from m-c
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# [23:32] <khuey> edmorley: heh
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# [23:32] <edmorley> unless the UX failure was due to one of the other things we backed out in the last 7 days for causing the same thing, so not the same cause
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# [23:33] <edmorley> if that makes sense
# [23:33] <mak> not the same cause, but same exact error?
# [23:33] <mbrubeck> We could try triggering PGO builds on UX tip to test that theory
# [23:33] <khuey> it looks like the last common rev between ux and m-c before things started failing was https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/658fad825c36
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# [23:34] <khuey> er
# [23:34] <khuey> that's the first that was failing
# [23:34] <khuey> not the last that wasn't
# [23:34] <mak> mbrubeck: +1 it's worth a try, are you going to do that?
# [23:34] <mbrubeck> sure
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# [23:34] <mbrubeck> triggered
# [23:35] <mbrubeck> what's another dozen hours of machine-time?
# [23:35] <mak> less than another 3 hours waiting for results
# [23:35] * khuey hopes we're not seeing the revenge of bug 543034
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# [23:39] <mak> well, fx-team nightly on 8th is green...
# [23:40] <mbrubeck> khuey: looks suspiciously similar
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# [23:42] <mbrubeck> ooh, a new backgrounds/vector failure on m-b. haven't seen one of those in a while
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# [23:49] <mak> khuey's theory is interesting and would explain why after edmorley backed out some code we got a green then roc pushed some new code and we got another red...
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# [23:49] <khuey> I have a theory?
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# [23:49] <khuey> oh, the "we're hitting the limit of code we can PGO and are totally screwed" theory?
# [23:49] <mak> the fact we may be on boundary
# [23:49] <edmorley> yeah
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# [23:50] <edmorley> too many tubes, not enough space for any more
# [23:50] <mak> what's the cure, remove some random code?
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# [23:50] <khuey> I never did like xbl
# [23:51] <mak> and, win64 never fails... makes sense, more addressable memory
# [23:51] <khuey> do we even PGO on win64?
# [23:51] <mak> yes
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# [23:51] <khuey> ok
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# [23:53] <roc> can we make 32-bit builds with PGO on a 64-bit machine?
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# [23:54] <Mossop> Is building Thunderbird with pymake meant to work?
# [23:54] <khuey> roc: I don't think it'll help
# [23:54] <khuey> there's no 64 bit binary that generates 32 bit code
# [23:55] <roc> right ok
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# [23:55] <khuey> though, it might buy us another gb of virtual address space
# [23:55] <khuey> not sure
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# [23:55] <khuey> right now we're using /3gb so the linker has 3 of the 4
# [23:55] <khuey> being on a 64 bit machine might let it get more
# [23:56] * mak keeps annotating in the bug
# [23:56] <edmorley> Mossop: should do: http://mikeconley.ca/blog/2011/11/30/build-thunderbird-faster-on-windows/
# [23:56] <jcranmer|away> bz: ping
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# [23:57] <philor> margaret: looks like you've got inbound bustage, tbpl's lagging but self-serve says there's a half-dozen mochitest-2s orange on or above you
# [23:57] <roc> khuey: apparently you can get 4GB on a 64bit OS
# [23:57] <roc> http://www.ntcore.com/4gb_patch.php
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# [23:57] <khuey> roc: ok, the linker comes with the large address flag set
# [23:58] <khuey> so running it on an x64 machine should buy us an extra gb
# [23:58] <roc> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#memory_limits
# [23:58] <margaret> philor: yeah, i just saw that
# [23:58] <margaret> i can back out
# [23:58] <khuey> man releng is going to love us if we have to do that
# [23:58] <edmorley> lol
# [23:58] <roc> yeah looks like it
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# [23:59] <khuey> the alternative is to find some code we don't like and remove it ;-)
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# [23:59] <edmorley> editor? :-)
# [23:59] <roc> why would it be a problem for releng?
# [23:59] <philor> xpfe
# [23:59] <mak> all cpp profile migrators
# [23:59] <mak> though those are not in libxul yet :(
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