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# Session Start: Sun Dec 11 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:01] <Callek> by the way, why is trunk plagued with so many child |firefox| processes?
# [00:02] <glandium> edmorley: pong
# [00:02] <Callek> what bug/feature is that?
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# [00:03] <edmorley> glandium: do I need to send the spdy backout to try to make sure we haven't missed any interim fixes since that didn't have keyword spdy and were in places that wouldn't have caused conflicts, or am I good to just push?
# [00:04] <Ms2ger> Push
# [00:04] <glandium> edmorley: seems to have built, which suggests it's ok
# [00:04] <Ms2ger> I haven't seen any
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# [00:09] <Ms2ger> I swear, Matheus is the new gavinbot
# [00:10] <khuey> heh
# [00:12] <edmorley> Ms2ger: cc'ing himself?
# [00:12] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [00:12] <edmorley> speaking of which, he just sent me this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1400290
# [00:13] <edmorley> #2 won't help aiui since not in libxul
# [00:14] <edmorley> khuey, glandium: thoughts on the other points in the pastebin? (from Matheus)
# [00:15] <glandium> edmorley: i'm not sure -Os would change much
# [00:15] <edmorley> I'm doubtful either would help tbh
# [00:15] <glandium> i'm not convinced this is a binary code size issue.
# [00:16] <glandium> probably more of a complexity thing around symbols in the various objects
# [00:16] <edmorley> anyway, backouts are already pushed to inbound
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# [00:16] <glandium> edmorley: unrelated, but it's the second time you mention my name without irssi highlighting it
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# [00:17] <evilpie> somebody considered writing a blog post for this?
# [00:17] <evilpie> 699156
# [00:17] <evilpie> bug 699156
# [00:17] <evilpie> i tried, but i just can't really create any good chrome code
# [00:18] <Ms2ger> And who owns spellchecker?
# [00:19] <Ms2ger> ehsan?
# [00:19] <khuey> Ms2ger: the c++ or the ui?
# [00:20] <Ms2ger> C++
# [00:20] <khuey> ehsan
# [00:20] <Ms2ger> Good
# [00:20] <khuey> edmorley: don't think they would help
# [00:21] <Ms2ger> If you feel like removing some code, check my bugs later :)
# [00:21] <khuey> evilpie: bholley was supposed to :-P
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# [00:42] <lurking> looks like edmorley 's back out on try of Remove libreg built - I see it on the ftp, even though tbpl is not yet showing 'green'
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# [00:43] <edmorley> lurking: tbpl has a slight lag (plus the 'B's don't go green until make check finishes)
# [00:43] <edmorley> lurking: to get the results quicker, the buildapi page is useful https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/mozilla-inbound/rev/f5578fdc50ef
# [00:44] <lurking> ahhh, I thought maybe you had crashed
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# [00:44] <lurking> as in went to bed :)
# [00:44] <lurking> edmorley: that page needs a userID/password - that I'm probably not prive'd to have
# [00:45] <edmorley> the LDAP details they give you if you have level 1 commit is sufficient, if you have those
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# [00:46] <lurking> nah, I don't have a need for any kind of commit - I'm just a hard-core tester / and button pusher - I can't code and what you guys do here just blows me away with the knowledge you all have - I'm technically inclined, but this is out of my old antique league :)
# [00:50] <Callek> edmorley: of course now I need to get that suite patch done sooner :(
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# [00:50] <Callek> edmorley: I can still damn you even though I think it was the right choice for the project as a whole :-P
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# [00:50] <edmorley> hehe
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# [00:53] <edmorley> back to watching my film :-)
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# [01:05] <evilpie> i got downvoted to oblivion on reddit, because i told them that germans don't actually like bavaria that much
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# [01:06] <evilpie> i think we should just backout xul to fix that address space issue
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# [01:10] <evilpie> does somebody run clang's scan-build on whole fx ?
# [01:11] * smaug wonders what is scan-build
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# [01:21] <evilpie> http://clang-analyzer.llvm.org/
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# [01:37] <Jesse> http://clang-analyzer.llvm.org/available_checks.html isn't very detailed
# [01:37] <NeilAway> bah, stupid kdiff3
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# [01:38] <NeilAway> A: w/x/y B w/z C w/x/z kdiff3 suggests w/z/? instead of w/?/z
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# [01:50] <jcranmer|away> glandium: irssi doesn't highlight nicks unless they're at the beginning of the line
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# [01:51] <jcranmer|away> glandium: you can fix that by making it always highlight your nick
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# [01:56] <philor> sigh. there are people loose on the internet who were so young in the year 2000 that they find using two digit years in a date reasonable
# [01:56] <NeilAway> heh
# [01:57] <edmorley> philor: I'd watch out, those kids are back on your lawn
# [01:57] <edmorley> ;-)
# [01:57] <philor> they are indeed
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# [01:58] <philor> and I've now got RFC 822, RFC 2822, RSS 2.0, and jsdate.cpp open, which is like four forks in the face
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# [02:00] <philor> RSS 2.0 in particular, since I'm responsible for the mention of four digit years in it, and thus partly responsible for the lack of any spec advice on interpreting two digit years
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# [02:05] <edmorley> "inbound? doesn't that auto update after 8 hours or so?" http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=11540795#p11540795
# [02:08] * edmorley hits inbound PGO builds with the gofaster stick so that he can 'auto-merge' inbound before he goes to bed
# [02:13] <mcmanus> hey edmorley, I'm trying to figure out why all my spdy work got backed out and what the criteria for relanding it is.
# [02:13] <edmorley> mcmanus: hi
# [02:14] <edmorley> we were hitting the virtual address space limit for windows PGO builds, causing them to fail
# [02:15] <edmorley> as such, we've had to back out/pref off recent large landings (SPDY, graphite), in order that PGO builds can complete and the trees can reopen
# [02:15] <mcmanus> why would the trees reopen if we are at the limit?
# [02:15] <mcmanus> (i.e. why is unlanded work more important than landed work)
# [02:16] <mcmanus> [I acknowledge this is a crappy place to find ourselves.]
# [02:16] <edmorley> because non-libxul code additions won't take us over the limit
# [02:16] <edmorley> and the trees are likely going to be put into approval required
# [02:17] <edmorley> so that code removal / small fixes that don't add loads to libxul can land
# [02:18] <mcmanus> I would have appreciated being involved in the drivers decisions here. I didn't even get an email.
# [02:18] <edmorley> the only other solution is to keep the trees shut for 2 weeks until service pack stats come back from Firefox 9 on release channel (meaning product team allow the change to msvc2010 which will obsolete winXP SP1)
# [02:18] <mcmanus> There are a shitload of people watching spdy - and now the story is going to be spdy got backed out because FF can't manage its tree.
# [02:19] <mcmanus> which i guess is true.
# [02:20] <edmorley> there hasn't been a product drivers decision, it was a sheriffs this afternoon decision, so that the tree can reopen, and product can make a call on monday as to what happens going forwards
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# [02:21] <edmorley> sorry if you got missed off the CCs, I tried to CC people's whose patches were being looked at for backout in the bug, it's just been a little hectic with 10+ try runs trying different things
# [02:22] <mcmanus> what do you think the future looks like for landing xul additions. It was only about 4500 loc, so it must be right at the edge.
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# [02:23] <edmorley> we're basically screwed short term
# [02:23] <edmorley> to not put a finer point on it
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# [02:24] <edmorley> the build peers can probably explain all the options better than I can, but trying msvc2010 earlier helped, but probably won't help for long
# [02:24] <edmorley> and product don't want to switch to that until the service pack stats come back
# [02:24] <mcmanus> and non-pgo is a huge regression I assume?
# [02:25] <edmorley> I don't know the exact figures, unfortunately
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# [02:27] <edmorley> options basically are a combination of: a) switch to msvc2010 (can't do before uplift, since product-team want stats), b) switch builders to using a 64 bit OS (but big job for releng so will take time, bug 709480), c) keep on cutting out unused code (bug 457262, but still only a stop-gap)
# [02:28] <edmorley> and (d) try splitting up libxul
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# [02:29] <edmorley> and I guess (e) turning off PGO, depending on the performance hit
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# [02:31] <edmorley> mcmanus: ultimately it's not really my call as to what happens re SPDY, and a relanding (if the product team decide pulling something else would be better) is obviously just a matter of backing out dc48c0992358
# [02:31] <mcmanus> I appreciate your efforts. It must have been a long day. Given that the tree is closed anyhow I tihnk I would have just closed the tree instead of backing out working stuff immediately; but I understand there are multiple paths.
# [02:31] <edmorley> mcmanus: it's been closed since yesterday
# [02:32] <edmorley> :-(
# [02:32] <philor> Win7, tp5_paint was 370 PGO'd, 454 not, so "oh, hey, PGO isn't doing anything for us" doesn't seem too likely
# [02:33] <philor> not that we have any perf numbers at all that we agree are meaningful
# [02:33] <stuart> splitting some stuff out of libxul shoudn't be that hard
# [02:34] <edmorley> mcmanus: and at present, mozilla-central nightlies on Mac aren't sending crash reports, and the fix is on inbound, but just can't merge until this is sorted (etc etc)
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# [04:08] <edmorley> \o/ we have win pgo tests running on inbound
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# [04:08] <khuey> yay
# [04:09] <khuey> hmm
# [04:09] <khuey> apparently I need to be using windows 8 to run ie10 pp?
# [04:09] <khuey> this is lame
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# [04:12] <Unfocused> yes. it is the true path for one microsoft web. upgrade the web now for just $699!
# [04:12] <edmorley> ie10 will be available for ie7 later, just not now (for some reason)
# [04:13] <edmorley> Man, you can tell just how long the trees have been closed by the number of PGO retriggers on m-c tip
# [04:14] * Unfocused wonders what Graphite is
# [04:14] <edmorley> itym was
# [04:14] <edmorley> :-)
# [04:14] <khuey> font shaping
# [04:15] <Unfocused> heh
# [04:15] <Unfocused> ah
# [04:15] <khuey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite_%28SIL%29
# [04:17] <Unfocused> ty
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# [04:19] <jcranmer|away> philor: I was 10 years old in 2000, but I still find two digit years annoying
# [04:20] <Callek> edmorley: ie10 available for ie7???
# [04:21] <Callek> thats an odd statement
# [04:21] <edmorley> win7
# [04:21] <edmorley> tired :-)
# [04:21] <Callek> heh, just checking
# [04:21] <edmorley> ie10frame \o/
# [04:21] <jaws> ie10 will probably include the ie7 rendering engine though hehe
# [04:21] <edmorley> heh
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# [04:56] <edmorley> khuey, mbrubeck, Callek: guess the question now is what do we do with the tree status? approval required and point at bug 709193 explaining no large landings?
# [04:57] <Callek> edmorley: I don't want to take on the pressure of decided that answer :-P
# [04:57] <edmorley> well I don't trust people to not just look and land whopping patches
# [04:57] <edmorley> (re-arrange the words and that makes a bit more sense)
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# [05:00] <edmorley> anyway, I'm going to merge inbound
# [05:01] <darktrojan> could you set it to approval-only?
# [05:01] <philor> oh, good, it's just bz who got that broken slave with the broken dongle breaking his mochitest-other
# [05:01] <philor> there's no sense setting approval only if there isn't anyone capable of doing the approving who is willing to commit to watching for four-plus hours from the time they approve something, is there?
# [05:02] <Unfocused> a note saying no large code additions (and if in doubt, ask #developers) should be good enough, imo
# [05:02] <philor> how large is large?
# [05:03] <philor> and large in what dimension?
# [05:03] <edmorley> yeah I just think that there are enough people who don't look at TBPl status and just try pushing to inbound and if it lets them, great
# [05:03] <philor> (hint: we don't actually know the answer to that)
# [05:03] <Unfocused> well, its not often we get something the size of SPDY landing
# [05:03] <edmorley> also, preffing Graphite back on would be a one-liner, so not "large"
# [05:05] <mcmanus> I would ask that the tree require approval. every landing makes re-landing the stuff that got backed out farther away.
# [05:07] <mbrubeck> edmorley: approval-required seems like a reasonable compromise... and do we have (or can we get) PGO enabled for all inbound builds? That would help too.
# [05:07] <edmorley> right inbound is merged, at least tomorrow's Mac nightlies will submit crash reports again now
# [05:07] <philor> edmorley: thank you
# [05:07] <edmorley> mbrubeck: PGO for all builds is bug 709192, blocker, still no response
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# [05:08] <philor> bz: starred and retriggered your try failure, the slave is very sorry it did that to you
# [05:08] <khuey> I think we should close inbound
# [05:08] <khuey> and move m-c to approvals only
# [05:08] <Unfocused> we could add a hook denying any changeset that touches a c/c++ file :P
# [05:08] <khuey> inbound has quality-of-service guarantees that we can't make anymore
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# [05:09] <khuey> Unfocused: well, cpp files in js and browser/ are ok ;-)
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# [05:09] <Unfocused> r+
# [05:10] <edmorley> we need a checklist of what can/can't land lol
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# [05:11] <edmorley> (highlighting again what a ridiculous situation we're in)
# [05:11] <jesup> So, I realize I'm ahead of myself here, but does this mean I should be targeting landing WebRTC/PeerConnection outside of libxul? It's a BIG block of code - probably dwarfs SDPY
# [05:12] * edmorley defers to khuey
# [05:12] <khuey> uh
# [05:12] <khuey> when do you want to land? :-)
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# [05:15] <mcpherrin> Do I need to hg qpop -a before "hg pull"ing my patch queue?
# [05:15] <khuey> if you don't want stuff to get srsly broken, yes
# [05:16] <mcpherrin> Avoiding borkage is ideal :p
# [05:16] <mcpherrin> I suppose the pull is harmless, it's the "up" that matters.
# [05:16] <Callek> I usually hg pull --rebase
# [05:17] <Callek> but rebase has been known (in the past anyway) to cause issues
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# [05:17] <Callek> that way if I get conflicts they are easier to fix, generally
# [05:19] <khuey> he's pulling his patch queue though
# [05:19] <khuey> not m-c
# [05:20] <Callek> ooooooooo right
# [05:20] <Callek> yea hg qpop -a
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# [05:53] <philor> well, there's no response in 709192 because the (split, because we can't respect followup-to) newsgroup threads about it consist of nothing but people saying "oh, how about rather than doing something that could be done by Monday, we instead do something that could be done by next August, or maybe 2013?"
# [05:57] <edmorley> philor: well I suppose there is an easy solution for now, the mozconfigs are in the tree after all...
# [05:57] <philor> heh
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# [05:59] <edmorley> philor: so what do you think about khuey's suggestion of just leaving inbound closed and having m-c as approval only?
# [06:00] <edmorley> I've just finished marking the bugs post merge and just have this to decide, before I get to bed
# [06:01] <bjacob> I'm doing a build of Android 4 (ICS) for Nexus S, let me know if anyone is interested
# [06:03] <philor> depends on whether we want to grant blanket approval for things that only touch mobile/, and things that don't touch any cpp/h - if we don't want to do that, then there's no benefit to having inbound open, if we do, then we can still use to to make mobile's life better (than any of the rest of us's lives will be)
# [06:04] <philor> but you can just go straight to bed, and sleep the sleep of the righteous and good, because the only person who needs to partly open any tree is the person who is committing themselves to doing approvals
# [06:04] <edmorley> by approval only I'm meaning to abuse it as a mechanism to force people to read the bug comment first
# [06:04] <philor> oh, self-approval
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# [06:06] <khuey> no, I think it should be actively sherriffed
# [06:06] <khuey> I'll take the first shift if I have to ;-)
# [06:07] <khuey> anyways, lets leave it closed overnight
# [06:07] <edmorley> wfm
# [06:07] <khuey> and get some sleep
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# [06:07] <khuey> it's like 5 am for you isn't it? :-P
# [06:07] <philor> early!
# [06:07] <edmorley> yeah :-/
# [06:07] <Callek> edmorley: soooo any chance I can convince you to do the code removal for suite's use of libreg
# [06:07] <Callek> I can't wrap my head around that code atm
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# [06:08] <khuey> not before he sleeps :-P
# [06:08] <Callek> khuey: ooo so you're volunteering
# [06:08] <Callek> wonderful!
# [06:08] <edmorley> Callek: I'm completely new to that code too, but I could have a look tomorrow and see how much I can break things :-)
# [06:09] <edmorley> anyway, to bed
# [06:09] <philor> someone who has been up for 20+ hours and has never built SM sounds like the perfect candidate to me
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# [06:09] <edmorley> heh
# [06:09] <edmorley> :-)
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# [06:10] <jcranmer> if you do remove RDF
# [06:10] <jcranmer> could you do it after comm-central gets a change to purge itself of that mess?
# [06:10] <khuey> well I'd settle for being able to --disable-rdf in firefox
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# [06:58] <mfinkle> hmm, maybe mobile picked a bad time to get off of birch :)
# [06:58] <philor> only if you want to, you know, *land* stuff
# [06:59] <mfinkle> :)
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# [07:06] <ewong> pardon my ignorance, which would be easier to help with? remove RDF or split libxul building?
# [07:08] <Unfocused> concidering we still use rdf, that part may not be easy
# [07:09] <ewong> so splitting libxul?
# [07:10] <Unfocused> it wouldn't call that easy.. but i guess it's the easier of the two :)
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# [07:13] <ewong> watching libxul get created is painful during the build process as it hogs up all the cpu/memory :/
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# [07:24] <Callek> ewong: I have a funny feeling neither of those tasks is really something you want to do
# [07:24] <Callek> hell even if I was paid to do those I wouldn't want to do those :-)
# [07:24] <nigelb> s/you/anyone/g
# [07:24] <ewong> heh
# [07:25] <ewong> guess both are as hairy as they sound
# [07:27] <Callek> ewong: hairier than a wooly mammoth
# [07:28] <Unfocused> hairer than me
# [07:29] <nigelb> Unfocused++
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# [07:33] <ewong> is it a build config thing or a code thing?
# [07:35] <Callek> its an *every* thing
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# [07:37] <ewong> ooh
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# [07:43] <ewong> would hate to be the person that needs to split libxul or remove rdf
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# [07:44] <ewong> (would turn out to be irony if I ended up being that person.) ;/
# [07:45] <darktrojan> I think you just volunteered
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# [07:46] <ewong> ;P
# [07:47] <ewong> nah.. it's way over my head...
# [07:48] <ewong> the distance over my head is 10^10 meters
# [07:51] <darktrojan> heh
# [07:51] <darktrojan> firebot, bug 559505
# [07:51] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559505 nor, --, ---, dolske, NEW, localstore.rdf kills ponies
# [07:52] <darktrojan> firebot, .... hello?
# [07:52] <firebot> darktrojan: Sorry, I've no idea what '.... hello' might be.
# [07:52] <ewong> hey.. it's assigned to dolske
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# [08:01] <darktrojan> that's only one use of rdf :/
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# [08:03] <ewong> oh
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# [08:07] <ewong> I looked at the patch.. it's beyond 'above my head'.. it's clearly not in the same universe as I am
# [08:07] <darktrojan> rdf is above the head of most people
# [08:07] <darktrojan> it's mental
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# [08:08] <darktrojan> but in that case it's mostly just storing key/value pairs
# [08:09] <darktrojan> at some point someone must have thought it was a good idea
# [08:10] <ewong> otherwise it wouldn't be in the code?
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# [08:12] <janv> RDF used to be heavily used in mozilla
# [08:13] <janv> the patch in bug 559505 needs a lot of work
# [08:13] <janv> and testing
# [08:13] <janv> :(
# [08:13] <Mossop> RDF is just tuples, easy-peasy
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# [08:24] <darktrojan> it's clearly from the time before json
# [08:24] <darktrojan> probably from the time before Occam, too :(
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# [08:52] <ishaanmlhtr> Hi I want to contribute to the mozilla development. Is there someone who could guide me on how to get started? Or maybe someone could give me ideas to work on maybe something on thundebird or calender project?
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# [08:54] <Mossop> ishaanmlhtr: The #introduction channel is the place you want, though this is quite a quiet time so it might be a while before you get a response right now
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# [09:01] <ishaanmlhtr> Mossop : ok,thanks a lot!..:)
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# [14:05] <edmorley> ms2ger++
# [14:05] <Ms2ger> Good afternoon to you too
# [14:06] <ewong> in a Makefile, what does the ?= mean in |DUMP_SYMS_BIN ?= $(DIST)/host/bin/dump_syms| ?
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# [14:08] <Ms2ger> Set if there's no environment variable, otherwise leave alone, IIRC
# [14:09] <ewong> Ms2ger: thanks!
# [14:09] <lurking_work> edmorley: Ms2ger good work yesterday guys - must have been a very long day
# [14:09] <edmorley> ewong: http://www.gnu.org/s/make/manual/make.html#Flavors :-)
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# [14:10] <Ms2ger> I didn't do much, thank edmorley :)
# [14:10] <lurking_work> appeared you provided good moral support :)
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# [14:10] <ewong> edmorley: thanks!
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# [14:28] <Ms2ger> Today's silly editor code:
# [14:28] <Ms2ger> // can't use |NS_LITERAL_STRING| here until |GetElementOrParentByTagName| is fixed to accept readables
# [14:28] <Ms2ger> nsresult res = GetElementOrParentByTagName(NS_LITERAL_STRING("td"), nsnull, getter_AddRefs(cellElement));
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# [14:31] <edmorley> I take it there are quite a few of those
# [14:31] <edmorley> (silly editor snippets)
# [14:31] * edmorley quickly looks around to see if Ehsan is in
# [14:31] <Ms2ger> More than I can paste here without getting banned for flooding
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# [14:33] <dao> bug 104159 introduced the case cited. not editor's fault
# [14:37] <Ms2ger> Hmm?
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# [14:38] <Ms2ger> Oh, bz's fault
# [14:40] <edmorley> time to retract your statement perhaps... hehe
# [14:41] <edmorley> Right, now to decide what to actually do with the tree
# [14:42] <Ms2ger> Pff, there's more than enough I can blame editor for :)
# [14:43] <edmorley> Ms2ger: want to land your code removal patches that just got r+ ?
# [14:43] <Ms2ger> Sure
# [14:44] <edmorley> I'll switch m-c to approval required, leave inbound shut for now
# [14:44] <Ms2ger> Do I get to land https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=446c9951d2f5 as well? ^.^
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# [14:49] <edmorley> I don't really have a good metric beyond "well there's more green than red", I'm open to ideas
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# [14:51] <edmorley> and by green I mean red, and vv
# [14:51] <edmorley> (I had 3 hours of sleep before vodafone sent a stupid advert text message :-/)
# [14:52] <nigelb> You should be happy you don't get the advert calls.
# [14:52] * nigelb curses vodafone for those often.
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# [14:53] <edmorley> the joys of vodafone pay as you go
# [14:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6b56dc8b06ff - Ms2ger - Bug 709518 - Remove unused 4-argument nsRenderingContext::InvertRect; r=jrmuizel a=edmorley
# [14:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1ef1292aa470 - Ms2ger - Bug 709525 - Remove unused 1-argument nsDeviceContextSpecGTK::GetPrintMethod; r=roc a=edmorley
# [14:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0671a8773ca1 - Ms2ger - Bug 709526 - Remove unused confirm_overwrite_file from nsFilePicker.cpp; r=roc a=edmorley
# [14:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0b049ae470c4 - Ms2ger - Bug 709528 - Remove unused nsDeviceContextSpecG::SetMultipleConcurrentDeviceContextsSupported; r=roc a=edmorley
# [14:54] <nigelb> Time for /topic change as well?
# [14:55] * Ms2ger changes topic to 'm-c approval required and m-i closed for bug 709193 (MSVC virtual address space limit hit) || Next aurora uplift: 20th Dec || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction'
# [14:55] <edmorley> Ms2ger: thanks :-)
# [14:55] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [14:58] <edmorley> I'd like to draft up a reply to the bug, which will outline what is able to land - and can be pointed to from TBPL
# [14:58] <edmorley> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/sLWdJm0zwB
# [14:59] <edmorley> open to suggestions
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# [15:07] <edmorley> Ms2ger: do you think we should allow self-approval?
# [15:08] <Ms2ger> Approval by #developers, at least
# [15:08] <edmorley> sure
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# [15:09] <edmorley> I think it might be best to just link directly to the etherpad, so we can change as the day progresses, rather than having to keep on revising posts on the bug
# [15:09] <Ms2ger> Let's not mention self-approval, people should know when they can get away with it
# [15:09] <Ms2ger> Yeah
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# [15:11] <Ms2ger> Rota?
# [15:11] <mcmanus> please restrict checkins to driver approvals. drivers should decide the feature set at this point.
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# [15:13] <edmorley> mcmanus: please see the etherpad
# [15:13] <Ms2ger> edmorley, I've exhausted the easy code removal bugs, I'm afraid :)
# [15:13] <mcmanus> I've seen the etherpad.
# [15:13] <mcmanus> make the drivers manage this broken tree.
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# [15:14] <edmorley> on a sunday?
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# [15:14] <edmorley> no new libxul code additions are allowed, in the draft etherpad, so not sure what the problem is?
# [15:15] <edmorley> Ms2ger: I'm presuming you used whatever unused function flags gcc has?
# [15:16] <Ms2ger> No, someone at Seneca had a list
# [15:16] <edmorley> ah
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# [15:20] <ewong> in a Makefile, how do I get it to display the current dir (i.e. pwd)? |echo pwd| doesn't work (obviously)
# [15:21] <khuey> $(echo $(shell pwd))?
# [15:22] <ewong> ahh.. thanks!
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# [15:37] <Ms2ger> firebot, bug 709575?
# [15:37] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709575 nor, --, ---, m_kato, NEW, Remove unnecessary ipc/chromium files
# [15:37] <Ms2ger> \o/
# [15:38] <ewong> if given http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1401393 in a Makefile and the results, I'm confused. if I have |cd ../../mozilla/dist/crashreporter-symbols|, shouldn't |echo $(shell pwd)| display "/c/mozstuff/mozprgs/light/objdir-sm-release/mozilla/dist/crashreporter-symbols|?
# [15:39] <mounir> khuey: should I take your component change like a yes? :)
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# [15:45] <khuey> mounir: I can review it tomorrow
# [15:45] * khuey is avoiding work today
# [15:45] <mounir> khuey: as long as you r+, I will not complain ;)
# [15:46] <khuey> heh
# [15:46] <mounir> khuey: did you had a look at my comment for xpt.py?
# [15:46] <khuey> don't think so ... link?
# [15:47] <mounir> bug
# [15:47] <mounir> 707579
# [15:47] <mounir> bug 707579
# [15:48] <khuey> well I'm not CCd to the bug ;-)
# [15:48] <khuey> mmm
# [15:48] * khuey will ponder this
# [15:49] <mounir> khuey: ideally, that could be done in the perl script (with a follow-up to merge the script in the makefile)
# [15:49] <mounir> but asking me to change the perl script might not be authorized by some international treaty about torture
# [15:49] <derf> khuey: You don't sound like you're doing a very good job of avoiding work.
# [15:50] <Ms2ger> derf, ssh
# [15:50] <khuey> mounir: don't you know that the geneva convention is quaint
# [15:50] <mounir> khuey: oh, I realize I actually know how to do that in perl... :-/
# [15:50] <khuey> and we americans don't follow it anymore?
# [15:50] <Ms2ger> Poor mounir
# [15:50] <mounir> khuey: do you americains follow any international convention?
# [15:51] <Ms2ger> The international convention that the USA has to police the world
# [15:51] <Ms2ger> But I dunno if you can call it international, because only the USA and the UK have signed up to it
# [15:52] <khuey> I think most of the western world has signed on to that one
# [15:52] <khuey> exhibit a: NATO
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# [15:53] <khuey> mounir: good question
# [15:53] <derf> Someday someone will ask why NATO still exists.
# [15:53] <khuey> I'm sure there's a couple
# [15:53] <khuey> we probably follow aviation treaties
# [15:53] <edmorley> What should we do with fx-team? Close like inbound, or approval required like m-c?
# [15:53] <derf> And the Berne Convention.
# [15:53] <edmorley> Presume the former?
# [15:54] <Ms2ger> fx-team is mostly JS, no?
# [15:54] <Ms2ger> But I'm fine with channeling everything through m-c/#developers for now
# [15:54] <khuey> also, exhibit b: good swaths of asia
# [15:54] * khuey wonders how much of east asia we're obliged to defend by treaty
# [15:54] <derf> I don't think that's the western world.
# [15:54] <khuey> at least two or three countries
# [15:55] <khuey> true
# [15:56] <khuey> mounir: oh, also, arms control treaties
# [15:56] <khuey> we like those
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# [16:03] <mounir> khuey: and perl? :)
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# [16:07] * Ms2ger changes topic to 'm-c approval required and m-i closed for bug 709193 (MSVC virtual address space limit hit) || Tree rules: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/sLWdJm0zwB || Next aurora uplift: 20th Dec || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction'
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# [16:11] <edmorley> Ms2ger: all that pending on m-c doesn't look healthy
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# [16:12] <Ms2ger> Not really :/
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# [16:13] <edmorley> this week has not been brilliant all round, has it...!
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# [16:29] <nemo> bz: http://www.webdevout.net/test?08&raw should firefox do this? works in Safari/Chrome, but buggy
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# [16:29] <nemo> (wondering if I should file a bug. someone brought it up on #css)
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# [16:31] <Ms2ger> What?
# [16:31] <Ms2ger> Oh, linear gradients in border images?
# [16:34] <Ms2ger> Probably
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# [16:40] <nemo> Ms2ger: so bug? :)
# [16:41] <Ms2ger> Please file
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# [17:00] <smaug> Bug 709585 is fun. Let's give web pages the power to shutdown devices. (I know I know, it is for privileged pages)
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# [17:08] * Ms2ger glares at the pending jobs
# [17:11] <cjones> power-off and reboot aren't particular security sensitive, just annoying
# [17:11] <cjones> *particularly
# [17:11] <nemo> Ms2ger: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709587
# [17:13] <Ms2ger> Thanks
# [17:13] <nemo> smaug: doesn't that power exist w/ jsctypes ? :)
# [17:14] <nemo> admittedly not in a friendly and cross-platform fashion
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# [17:17] * lurking_work wonders if all the pending jobs are hung test machines from all the repeated pgo builds during testing for the virtual-space-limit
# [17:18] <smaug> nemo: well, since the new API is part of B2G, it will be hopefully standardized soon.
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# [17:25] * edmorley has just finished setting up a housemate's brand new Macbook Air, by which I mean hiding safari and installing Firefox muhahaha
# [17:28] <Ms2ger> You're doing them a favour :)
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# [17:30] <edmorley> indeed
# [17:31] <edmorley> hmm maybe I should have put the beta on there
# [17:31] <edmorley> weirdly they declined adblock
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# [17:54] <wg9s> lurking_work: unlikley since those were windows pgo builds and it is Linux and Mac tests that are not running today.
# [17:54] <lurking_work> ahh, ok
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# [18:07] <KaiRo> dao: please take care when commenting in this bug, its history is so frustrating to me that it took me months to even take any look at it, my tolerance of random guesses and comments there is quite tiny
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# [18:08] <dao> KaiRo: you seem to assume I didn't take care
# [18:09] <KaiRo> dao: AFAIK, I checked pinstripe when writing the original patch, for example
# [18:09] <Ms2ger> Sounded more like general frustration to me
# [18:11] * Ms2ger grumbles at integers
# [18:11] <dao> KaiRo: I don't know about the original patch. The one I commented on seems to leave out pinstripe for no reason that I can see.
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# [18:12] <KaiRo> dao: of course, things could have changed in the eternity between my original patch and now, but I'd wonder as it seems that all the search code is bascially unowned anyhow
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# [18:13] <dao> KaiRo: neither the search button styling nor pinstripe's support for 'plain' have changed
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# [18:21] <KaiRo> dao: the styling shouldn't change, this should just be cleanup
# [18:22] <dao> I'm saying that if the original patch did it like this one, it had the same flaw
# [18:23] <KaiRo> dao: well, if pinstripe doesn't specify anything there that is redundant with plain, then it should not be affected
# [18:28] <nemo> Ms2ger: I'm not a fan of adblock, but I still use NoScript - if people serve ads compatible w/ that, I'm fine w/ reading/clicking on 'em
# [18:28] <smaug> is there any magical option in python so that one could use a good syntax
# [18:28] <nemo> Ms2ger: heck, I've even clicked through to ads from w3m
# [18:28] <smaug> (something which is closer to C/Java/Javascript)
# [18:29] <nemo> smaug: heh. after a friend accidentally DoS'd our server after introducing a tab into his python file, he wrote a wrapper that adds C-style indentation
# [18:29] <nemo> smaug: however, in keeping w/ the python philosophy that there is only one right way to do things, they will never add that as a parameter to the engine :)
# [18:29] <nemo> (or as some sort of header flag, as they have for other things
# [18:30] <Ashe> smaug: sure, comment lines with { and } :p
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# [18:37] <NeilAway> smaug: begin your python script with #!/bin/perl
# [18:38] <NeilAway> nemo: so a printout of the buggy and a working version were identical?
# [18:38] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, so we were just trying to get him off perl ;)
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# [18:48] <smaug> um, moco imap isn't working yet
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# [18:49] <smaug> not that I get any mozilla.com emails
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# [18:51] <philor> according to the /topic in #it, you need to file an itrequest bug to get on the list for having imap restored
# [18:52] <smaug> what?
# [18:52] <smaug> just to get imap server working ?
# [18:52] <ttaubert> yes
# [18:52] <smaug> s/server/account/ ?
# [18:52] <smaug> huh
# [18:53] <ttaubert> I filed on friday and don't have mine back, yet :/
# [18:54] <ttaubert> smaug: the purpose is to ensure that everybody has backed up their current mails + profile accordingly before possibly destroying them by some imap sync misbehavior with locally cached mails
# [18:54] <smaug> ah
# [18:55] <smaug> I don't get any important emails to mo.co
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# [19:11] <nemo> NeilAway: yep
# [19:11] <nemo> NeilAway: ditto appearance w/ default settings in many text editors
# [19:12] <nemo> NeilAway: but of course that's our fault for using tools that don't mark up tabs, and archaic stuff like paper :)
# [19:12] <nemo> NeilAway: python is much more forward thinking :)
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# [19:15] <Waldo> ...wow
# [19:15] <Waldo> did the Lions -- the Detroit Lions -- just strip the ball and fall on it in the end zone?
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# [19:17] <evilpie> JS is a dll on Win so it's not really a problem?
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# [19:19] <philor> um
# [19:19] <philor> does nsIGConfService hit the network, or did we manage to break it on all our slaves?
# [19:20] <philor> seeing the same tests fail at the same moment on central and inbound makes me suspicious
# [19:20] <Waldo> ...and now an interception
# [19:20] <JonathanS> looks like 32-bit compiler is on a way to be out
# [19:20] <Waldo> wow
# [19:21] <edmorley> JonathanS: only 32 bit builders, not the compiler
# [19:22] <JonathanS> edmorley, yeah well MSVC is nightmare
# [19:23] <edmorley> particularly when using a version released 6 years ago
# [19:23] <edmorley> :-(
# [19:23] <JonathanS> just to support Win2k?
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# [19:25] <edmorley> WinXP SP1 is EOL'd be MSVC2010, and whilst SP2 is obviously a free update, not everyone is running it (updates off, corporate environments etc), so it is my understanding that the product team would like to see service pack version stats first (these stats are only available from Firefox 9 and up)
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# [19:30] <edmorley> s/be/by/
# [19:31] <Waldo> man
# [19:31] <Waldo> what happened to the Lions? o_O
# [19:32] <Waldo> it's like they're playing with talent or something
# [19:32] <Waldo> or the Vikings are playing, with lack thereof
# [19:33] <Ms2ger> Who are the Lions?
# [19:34] <JonathanS> Ms2ger, NFL
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# [19:35] <Ms2ger> Non Floating Looters?
# [19:35] <JonathanS> lol no ,National Football League
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# [19:38] <Waldo> ah, Vikings are 2-10 so far, so I guess this shouldn't be quite so surprising...
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# [19:38] <Waldo> although, when you're talking the Lions, anything can happen :-)
# [19:38] <JonathanS> Waldo, I blame McNabb to do shitty job
# [19:39] <edmorley> Ms2ger: after all the fuss, no one is landing anything
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# [19:39] <Ms2ger> It's Sunday :)
# [19:39] <lurking_work> probably scared to
# [19:39] <Ms2ger> And they'd have to watch the tree
# [19:40] <Ms2ger> edmorley, or maybe they're trapped in an infinite loop...
# [19:40] <philor> s/have to watch/get caught not watching/
# [19:40] <lurking_work> they don't want to be known as the 'one that blew up the tree right off the bat'
# [19:40] <JonathanS> Ms2ger http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/276493_206396276091339_1855269778_n.jpg ;)
# [19:40] <Ms2ger> m-c says "You should want to use inbound instead."
# [19:40] <Ms2ger> Inbound says "Please use mozilla-central for now"
# [19:41] <edmorley> ah
# [19:41] <Ms2ger> JonathanS, it's afrosdwilsh!
# [19:41] <JonathanS> Ms2ger, I know ;)
# [19:41] <JonathanS> it come back to haunt
# [19:41] <philor> that's not infinite, the m-c one is very carefully phrased to not require anything of you
# [19:41] <Ms2ger> philor, fair point, but I'm not yet as cynical as you :)
# [19:41] <wg9s> afrosdwish Obama?
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# [19:44] <JonathanS> wg9s, is he is killing the builder?
# [19:45] <lurking_work> And the hapless Colts are down by 10 already at the end of first quarter - headed for 0-14
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# [19:45] <wg9s> JonathanS: NO, maybe you don't know the original picture that got photoshopped for the tree close thing with sdwilsh was a picture of Obama.
# [19:46] <JonathanS> wg9s, like sea of red
# [19:47] <wg9s> I did not realize that either until Shawn told me.
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# [19:56] <wg9s> Shawn describes it as Obama's body, his face and a random 'fro.
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# [19:58] <philor> Unfocused: so, -aurora...
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# [19:58] <JonathanS> I like how Tampa Bay scores 14 against the Jaguars in 2nd.
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# [20:33] <Ms2ger> ehsan, so, you like reviewing, don't you? :)
# [20:33] <ehsan> Ms2ger: I call you out on this trick question!
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# [20:34] <Ms2ger> Call me out all you want, I just need r+s :)
# [20:34] <ehsan> ok, point me to the bug
# [20:35] <Ms2ger> 709523
# [20:35] * ehsan looks
# [20:36] <ehsan> wow, you've got quite a few patches there
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# [20:39] <Ms2ger> Well, it's editor code the way I like it most
# [20:39] <Ms2ger> (dead
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# [20:39] <Ms2ger> )
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# [20:42] <ehsan> Ms2ger: how do you find this stuff?
# [20:42] <khuey> he uses the force
# [20:43] <ehsan> if he writes enough of these patches, my life would be a lot easier
# [20:43] <Ms2ger> http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/User:Egmetcalfe/Dead_Code#editor
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# [20:43] <Ms2ger> I can rm -rf editor?
# [20:43] <khuey> whatever happened to ehren?
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# [20:45] <jbuck> he's... still in BSD I think
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# [20:47] <ehsan> Ms2ger: r=me
# [20:47] * khuey has no idea what BSD is supposed to be in this context
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# [20:47] <khuey> unless he's trapped in a unix variant
# [20:48] <jbuck> oh, sorry, he was one the guys in my program, Bachelor of Software Development at Seneca College
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# [20:49] <khuey> yeah me too :-P
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# [20:54] <decoder> big wtf:
# [20:54] <decoder> SplitString(StringRef(Data, DataLen), Lines, "\n\r");
# [20:54] <decoder> part of address sanitizer
# [20:54] <decoder> for reading the blacklist file
# [20:54] <decoder> and i was wondering why the hell my blacklist wont work
# [20:54] <decoder> (under linux)
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# [20:59] <Ms2ger> edmorley, a?
# [20:59] <edmorley> yup
# [21:00] <wg9s> decoder: well that is doubly odd since i thought the normal other than "\n" line terminator was "\r\n" but then that was a long time ago maybe they changed?
# [21:02] <Ms2ger> Anybody feel like watching the tree for me? :)
# [21:03] <decoder> wg9s: yea. im not sure either. ill take a closer investigation on the whole blacklisting code as it isnt doing what it is supposed to do (at least for me)
# [21:03] <edmorley> Ms2ger: sure
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# [21:04] <decoder> wg9s: what's also cool about their code is, they pass in a path (a string) to the blacklist file but never use it^^ instead they use some global variables..
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# [21:07] <wg9s> decoder:and I also never liked the fact that when the new blacklist code lands on mozilla-central, the check-in comment does not identify what is being blacklisted.
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# [21:08] <decoder> wg9s: im not talking about mozilla code :)
# [21:08] <wg9s> And also no comment in the code to identify it either.
# [21:08] <wg9s> ah
# [21:08] <decoder> this is google code
# [21:08] <decoder> (address sanitizer)
# [21:08] <decoder> but im using it on firefox now
# [21:08] <wg9s> Sorry guess i jumped in in the middle without reading all the discusssion.
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# [21:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ab91118be560 - Ms2ger - Bug 709523 - Part h: Remove unused variable in nsHTMLEditor::GetBodyElement; r=ehsan a=edmorley
# [21:11] <NeilAway> nemo: yeah, not content with repeating the mistakes of previous languages, it makes it possible to make a whole new set of mistakes :-)
# [21:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/77b565997e66 - Ms2ger - Bug 709523 - Part f: Remove nsHTMLEditUtils::IsAddress; r=ehsan a=edmorley
# [21:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cd7bd3b20de0 - Ms2ger - Bug 709523 - Part a: Remove nsDOMSubtreeIterator::Init; r=ehsan a=edmorley
# [21:11] <edmorley> Ms2ger: can I have an a+ for */makefiles.sh please
# [21:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3d6f670f417f - Ms2ger - Bug 709523 - Part g: Remove nsHTMLEditRules::{Will,Did}DeleteRange; r=ehsan a=edmorley
# [21:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9c4cd94a11d7 - Ms2ger - Bug 709523 - Part c: Remove EditAggregateTxn::{GetCount,GetTxnAt,SetName}; r=ehsan a=edmorley
# [21:12] <Ms2ger> edmorley, a=me
# [21:12] <edmorley> thank you muchly
# [21:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b9e76ec6ac89 - Ms2ger - Bug 709523 - Part b: Remove nsDOMIterator::ForEach; r=ehsan a=edmorley
# [21:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6b33453c5a4f - Ms2ger - Bug 709523 - Part d: Remove nsHTMLEditor::IsRootTag; r=ehsan a=edmorley
# [21:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/faf5d722417b - Ms2ger - Bug 709523 - Part e: Remove some overloads of TypeInState::{SetProp,ClearProp}; r=ehsan a=edmorley
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# [21:18] <NeilAway> edmorley: so, the problem I have is, that you weren't actually linking libreg... but we were
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# [21:20] <edmorley> I was under the impression we were
# [21:23] <NeilAway> edmorley: well, not in libxull... browsercomps.dll was the only consumer
# [21:23] <NeilAway> *libxul
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# [21:26] <khuey> mmm
# [21:26] <khuey> looks like we were linking it into libxul and browsercomps
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# [21:27] <edmorley> NeilAway: I've not built SM before and have no experience with libreg, but would be willing to try and figure it out if it helped you>
# [21:28] <NeilAway> khuey: ah, I bet we linked it into libxul because Thunderbird needed it there
# [21:29] <wg9s> edmorley: I think the problem is that although the seamonkey folks only ever asked to delay this one release back in september, they have not bothered to do anything about Bug 689437
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# [21:31] <edmorley> NeilAway: can I use pymake with SM?
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# [21:34] <NeilAway> edmorley: of course
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# [21:40] <edmorley> NeilAway: I'm presuming I can just move my mozilla-central checkout into comm-central/mozilla and not have to use client.py to checkout?
# [21:41] <NeilAway> edmorley: probably, although I haven't tried
# [21:42] <NeilAway> edmorley: you'll need to move your .mozconfig away if it lives there
# [21:42] <edmorley> I keep it elsewhere
# [21:42] <edmorley> thanks
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# [21:55] <edmorley> NeilAway: seems to be building fine (btw c-c needs bug 643167 porting, at least the client.mk part)
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# [21:55] <Unfocused> philor: gah, wtf. am on it (once i wake up a bit)
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# [21:57] <Unfocused> yay monday :\
# [21:57] <Ms2ger> Sunday, you mean :)
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# [21:59] <Unfocused> monday - not my fault you people are always behind :P
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# [22:00] <NeilAway> edmorley: um, why?
# [22:01] * NeilAway quietly rules several timezones out of Ms2ger's location
# [22:01] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, unless it was a false clue....
# [22:03] <wg9s> NeilIt is sunday here too
# [22:03] <edmorley> NeilAway: since I was getting the "you appear to be using windows style blah blah with gnu make" warning, a la comment 0 in that bug. the warning goes away if you do a relative path build, but still means js-config is being generated with make, not pyamke
# [22:03] <wg9s> Maybe we should have our nicks include timezone.
# [22:03] <wg9s> in GMT offset notation
# [22:03] <wg9s> so wg9s-5
# [22:03] <edmorley> actual timezone or awake timezone...
# [22:03] <wg9s> edmoreley. good point
# [22:04] <NeilAway> edmorley: oh, it needs a client.mk change too?
# [22:04] <lurking> since some of you want to work 20hrs / day - its had to say that for sure :)
# [22:04] <wg9s> I ahve an open bug with cisco being worked by someone in India who works form 630 EST to 1430 est
# [22:04] <edmorley> NeilAway: yeah
# [22:04] <edmorley> NeilAway: not urgent, just thought I'd mention it
# [22:04] <NeilAway> edmorley: what happens to people who don't use client.mk to build m-c? (the pymake instructions used to do this, not sure if they still do)
# [22:05] <edmorley> NeilAway: covered by https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=578926&action=diff#a/js/src/configure.in_sec1
# [22:06] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, they're wrong :)
# [22:06] <NeilAway> edmorley: so they get the wrong make in that case?
# [22:06] <Unfocused> philor: so.... all pgo builds got re-triggered on aurora too? and that's the only time i'm getting that orange.... and even the orange doesn't make sense, as it's a getService() for nsIXULAppInfo that's failing
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# [22:06] <philor> Unfocused: I think those are the tests on the last two nightlies
# [22:07] <Unfocused> (also explains why i saw everything go green the other day)
# [22:07] <Unfocused> hm
# [22:07] <philor> Unfocused: do they make sense as "patch worked for a depend build, but a clobber is broken"?
# [22:08] <Unfocused> no. at least, not from my changes
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# [22:08] <edmorley> NeilAway: all I know is what is in the bug
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# [22:09] <Unfocused> hell, the test thats failing even creates a mock nsIXULAppInfo... just like every other test for the addons manager component
# [22:11] <Unfocused> but we runs all the addons manager tests twice (with one pref change), and the the same tests fails. so i dunno
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# [22:15] <Fallen|mac> Unfocused: do you have a link to that test? I need nsIXULAppInfo in one of my tests...
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# [22:17] <Unfocused> Fallen|away: the function you want is https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/test/xpcshell/head_addons.js#29
# [22:17] <Unfocused> usage like so: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/test/xpcshell/test_updatecheck.js#25
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# [22:20] <Unfocused> ooooooooh
# [22:20] * Unfocused may have a lead
# [22:21] <Unfocused> yep :\
# [22:21] <Unfocused> bah
# [22:21] <Unfocused> easy fix, though
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# [22:21] <Unfocused> darktrojan had the same issue on aurora awhile back
# [22:21] <Unfocused> (it's only a test issue)
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# [22:39] <roc> mats: ping?
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# [22:46] <smaug> this terrible python hack almost works
# [22:47] <smaug> poor khuey who will need to review this
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# [23:16] <njn> anyone know about security/nss/ ?
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# [23:24] <khuey> njn: what about it?
# [23:24] <njn> khuey: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/security/nss/cmd/modutil/install-ds.c#255
# [23:24] <njn> the string comparison is bogus
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# [23:25] <Unfocused> anyone here able/willing to do a rubberstamp r+ for a test fix in bug 709620?
# [23:25] <njn> khuey: but I have no idea about the consequences
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# [23:28] <khuey> yeah me neither
# [23:29] <khuey> njn: I don't think that code actually gets shipped in firefox
# [23:29] <njn> khuey: good
# [23:30] <njn> khuey: GCC warns about it
# [23:30] <khuey> mmm
# [23:30] <khuey> compiler warnings ftw
# [23:30] <njn> khuey: I've started auditing every warning GCC gives for the whole browser
# [23:31] <njn> looking at which warning classes give most bang for the buck
# [23:31] <njn> 972 GCC 4.6 warnings for a linux 64-bit debug build :(
# [23:32] <njn> I'm sick of arguments about warnings based on gut feelings, I want some data
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# [23:34] <khuey> only 972?
# [23:34] * khuey is impressed
# [23:35] <Ms2ger> Would be a lot more without the enum change
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# [23:38] <edmorley> njn: just be grateful you aren't looking at the msvc warning count http://jenkins.gregoryszorc.com:9000/job/mozilla-central/145/warningsResult/?
# [23:38] <khuey> my totally random guess would have been at least 5000
# [23:38] <njn> edmorley: 1513 isn't that much more than 972
# [23:39] <njn> khuey: you can enable more warnings to make it climb quickly :/
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# [23:43] <jcranmer> only 972?
# [23:43] <jcranmer> I think clang counts around 1500
# [23:44] <jcranmer> no
# [23:44] <jcranmer> "I count 5,283 reported warnings for mozilla-central."
# [23:44] * Waldo got 4k/5k building with clang recently-ish
# [23:45] <khuey> maybe that's where I got 5000 from
# [23:45] <Waldo> that was the impetus for adding MOZ_FINAL, actually, beginning to trim down some of them
# [23:45] <jcranmer> 1,608 non-virtual destructors, 940 mismatched enum, 1348 unused, 1551 uses of extensions, 466 "everything else"
# [23:45] <Waldo> the virtual-functions-no-virtual-dtor problem was the biggest...yeah
# [23:46] <Waldo> unused should be pretty easy to kill, I'd think
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# [23:46] <jcranmer> you could probably drop ~900 warnings with a ~40-line patch
# [23:46] <jcranmer> fix the handling of enums in xpidl
# [23:46] <Waldo> although I think some of those looked like in third-partyish code
# [23:46] <Ms2ger> That's done
# [23:46] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, welcome to 2011 :)
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# [23:47] <jcranmer> Ms2ger: these stats were collected in mid-August
# [23:47] <jcranmer> I didn't think anyone had fixed xpidl generation since then
# [23:47] <Ms2ger> Bah, don't drag me back to August, that's ages ago :)
# [23:48] <edmorley> m-c linux m1 looking healthy
# [23:48] <jcranmer> that was fixed a month ago
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# [23:49] <Waldo> /home/jwalden/moz/inbound/ipc/chromium/src/base/process_util.h:68:28: warning: function 'GetCurrentProcessArchitecture' is not needed and will not be emitted [-Wunneeded-internal-declaration] appeared a pretty common warning too
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# [23:50] <Waldo> 254 unneeded-internal in my log
# [23:50] <Waldo> not necessarily all that, mind
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# [23:51] <khuey> just wait until we can kill xpidl :-P
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# [23:52] <Ms2ger> I saw a bug to remove some chromium code that we don't use today too
# [23:53] <khuey> do we still support pre-Vista SDKs?
# [23:53] <khuey> or have we given up on that?
# [23:54] <Ms2ger> You should ask kh... Nvm
# [23:54] <khuey> heh
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