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1. # Session Start: Wed Dec 21 00:00:00 2011
2. # Session Ident: #developers
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5. # [00:00] <mbrubeck> njn: The sad truth that none of us will talk about is that starring is a crippling addiction. :)
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7. # [00:00] <edmorley> ha
8. # [00:01] <mbrubeck> "My name is mbrubeck, and I star oranges. [...] The lowest point, for me, was when I backed out a change on Aurora without approval just so I'd have more builds to star."
9. # [00:01] <lurking_work> lmfao
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12. # [00:02] <khuey> rofl
13. # [00:02] <edmorley> mbrubeck++
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23. # [00:04] <smaug> a tad stressful release day
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27. # [00:05] <bent> smaug, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712448#c4
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29. # [00:05] <bent> ok, food time for real
30. # [00:05] <bent> hope that helps
31. # [00:06] <edmorley> food always helps :-)
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42. # [00:10] <myk> is the change from Nightly.app to FirefoxNightly.app intentional?
43. # [00:10] <khuey> yes
44. # [00:10] <dao> yes
45. # [00:10] <myk> khuey, dao: thanks!
46. # [00:10] <sheppy> Oh good.
47. # [00:11] <sheppy> I approve this change.
48. # [00:11] <gavin> (bug 696436)
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50. # [00:13] <bear-buildduty> sicking - FYI - ftp issue being tracked in bug 712462
51. # [00:13] <sicking> bear-buildduty: thanks!
52. # [00:14] <smaug> hmm, how do I push to a closed tree
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54. # [00:14] <sicking> smaug: by the way, please attach a patch to the bug as soon as you have it
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56. # [00:14] <mccr8> smaug: maybe you need CLOSED TREE in the message?
57. # [00:14] <khuey> smaug: open the tree ;-)
58. # [00:14] <khuey> smaug: opened
59. # [00:14] <sicking> smaug: or did you get approval to land it on mozilla-release?
60. # [00:15] <smaug> sicking: which patch?
61. # [00:15] <smaug> I did get a= for mozilla-release
62. # [00:15] <sicking> smaug: to reland strong parent pointers
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64. # [00:15] <sicking> smaug: ah, awesome
65. # [00:15] <smaug> akeybl: I wonder how to land to closed mozilla-release
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68. # [00:16] <khuey> smaug: mozilla-release is open
69. # [00:16] <smaug> is CLOSED TREE enough?
70. # [00:16] <Standard8> akeybl: you should just have to include "CLOSED TREE"
71. # [00:16] <khuey> or at least it should be
72. # [00:16] * khuey just opened it
73. # [00:16] * njn discovers that nsCOMArray::Length() is actually called nsCOMArray::Count(), sigh
74. # [00:16] <Standard8> khuey: I think we keep *-release closed to stop accidental pushes
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76. # [00:16] <khuey> Standard8: we do
77. # [00:16] * philor pushes some random stuff there, since it's open
78. # [00:16] <khuey> I'll close it after he's done
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80. # [00:17] <smaug> can I please build this patch first to make sure it actually compiles on mozilla-release :)
81. # [00:17] <smaug> it does build on beta
82. # [00:17] <sheppy> Heh
83. # [00:17] <khuey> psh
84. # [00:17] <khuey> what could go wrong?
85. # [00:17] <philor> hah, like we care about failures on mozilla-release?
86. # [00:17] <sheppy> Seriously. Real users are on aurora.
87. # [00:19] <khuey> johnath: they're still up, fwiw
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89. # [00:19] <philor> huh, wonder what that unknown crash on m-r last Friday was?
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91. # [00:20] <khuey> cosmic rays
92. # [00:20] <philor> looks more like a crashtest masquerading as a mochitest, which crashed
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94. # [00:21] <dholbert> ddahl, ping?
95. # [00:21] <ddahl> dholbert: pong
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97. # [00:21] <philor> oh, nope, the one before it is a crashtest, that one's maybe just a victim
98. # [00:21] <dholbert> ddahl, RE https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=539426#c13 (default to PDF) -- it's WFM. Did you test with a fresh profile?
99. # [00:22] <ddahl> dholbert: i will right now
100. # [00:22] <dholbert> ddahl, it might be controlled by a pref or something, which could be confusing things
101. # [00:22] <ddahl> hmm
102. # [00:22] <dholbert> ddahl, (WFM in fresh profile, fwiw)
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105. # [00:22] <ddahl> ok, lemme check
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107. # [00:23] <ddahl> dholbert: wow
108. # [00:23] <dholbert> ddahl, if there's something stuck in your profile making it permanently default to PS for that profile (even after you print to PDF), that might be worth filing a followup bug on, since there may be other users in the same situation
109. # [00:23] <ddahl> dholbert: totally works
110. # [00:23] <ddahl> my bad
111. # [00:23] <dholbert> ddahl, cool, np
112. # [00:23] <ddahl> dholbert: thanks! this will change my life, not kidding
113. # [00:23] <dholbert> ddahl, would still be worth seeing if it's still stuck on PS in your normal profile after you print to PDF
114. # [00:23] <dholbert> ddahl, :D
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122. # [00:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4e4878620bb5 - Richard Newman - Bug 700000 - Bump Sync version.
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124. # [00:27] <Standard8> that wasn't bug 700000
125. # [00:27] <khuey> rnewman: you cheating bastard
126. # [00:28] <sheppy> Heh
127. # [00:28] <sheppy> Liar!
128. # [00:28] <philor> the bug 700000 thing is way more polite than what I put in when I get stopped by that ridiculous hook, though
129. # [00:28] <philor> and he's not a liar, he's a thief
130. # [00:28] <sheppy> Yeah, trying to steal everyone's beer!
131. # [00:28] <philor> see the previous version bump push
132. # [00:28] <lurking_work> legnitto used it for the previous version bump
133. # [00:29] <darktrojan> we have a new ridiculous hook?
134. # [00:29] <rnewman> khuey: heh, I copied legnitto :)
135. # [00:29] <khuey> rnewman: ah
136. # [00:29] <rnewman> seemed like a good idea! :D
137. # [00:29] <dholbert> victorporof, ping?
138. # [00:29] <gps> rnewman++
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140. # [00:30] <lurking_work> guess we need a meta bug just for version bumps
141. # [00:30] <rnewman> gps: shoulda used your bug ;)
142. # [00:30] <victorporof> dholbert: pong
143. # [00:30] <rnewman> lurking_work: still need to automate this
144. # [00:30] <gps> bug 712218?
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147. # [00:30] <rnewman> your beer bug!
148. # [00:31] <dholbert> victorporof, #1) do Tilt bugs go in DevTools? and #2) the bug I want to file is on mouse controls getting funky (twisting things the wrong way) after you zoom in a lot with Ctrl + -- is that a known issue?
149. # [00:31] <ddahl> dholbert: i do not see a pref that governs the ps -> pdf default. I do have a bunch of print_to_file* prefs set however
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151. # [00:31] <gps> I have no claims on that bug. you'd think someone would want free beer!
152. # [00:31] <victorporof> dholbert: yes, devtools: Inspector to be more precise :) and #2: not that i know of
153. # [00:32] <victorporof> dholbert: file and cc me, i'll look into it
154. # [00:32] <dholbert> victorporof, ok
155. # [00:32] <victorporof> dholbert: thank you!
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157. # [00:32] <dholbert> victorporof, np, thank you!
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159. # [00:32] <dholbert> ddahl, yeah, those are kinda cluttery
160. # [00:32] <philor> gps: the lack of claims and of bitching make me think we need to adjust the release schedule so every uplift is just a few days before a major holiday
161. # [00:32] <dholbert> ddahl, are you stuck with ps = default in your main profile?
162. # [00:32] <ddahl> dholbert: yep
163. # [00:32] <dholbert> ddahl, (even after you manually pick PDF once?)
164. # [00:32] <ddahl> dholbert: yep
165. # [00:32] <dholbert> ddahl, boo
166. # [00:33] <ddahl> dholbert: i always have to change it manually:(
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168. # [00:33] <dholbert> ddahl, if you feel up to taking a snapshot of your profile and hacking away at your prefs.js file until it's fixed, it'd be useful to know what's causing that
169. # [00:33] <ddahl> dholbert: i will
170. # [00:33] <dholbert> ddahl, thanks!
171. # [00:34] <rnewman> philor: I'm too busy working to bitch about much of anything :P
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181. # [00:40] <gps> who is a good CC for bugs related to addons.mozilla.org?
182. # [00:40] <gavin> clouserw
183. # [00:41] <gps> (it is sad I couldn't easily find this on a) Bugzilla b) the modules owners list)
184. # [00:41] <smaug> is addons code somewhere in hg?
185. # [00:41] <gps> where else would I look for such things (I'm too lazy to manually crawl bugzilla and hope I get it right)
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187. # [00:41] <dholbert> phonebook or mozillians perhaps
188. # [00:41] <gavin> websites and such just aren't in the module list for some reason
189. # [00:41] <smaug> usually I'd look at the source code blame
190. # [00:42] <gavin> (webdev in general)
191. # [00:42] <gps> mozillians.org lists over 15 people for AMO
192. # [00:42] <gps> so, yeah, source code blame
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201. # [00:46] <ddahl> dholbert: i changed the two prefs like: user_pref("printer_MG5200LAN.print_to_filename", "/home/ddahl/mozilla.pdf"); to end in pdf and it fixed the problem. before I did that the filename was just .ps and defaulted to Postscript
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207. # [00:47] <dholbert> ddahl, interesting. (fwiw, the fact that PS translates to "[nothing].ps" is a separate known issue)
208. # [00:47] <smaug> taras: have you asked peterv about hackerspace
209. # [00:47] <dholbert> ddahl, (originating from a gnome bug, actually)
210. # [00:48] <smaug> (though, perhaps peterv is still away)
211. # [00:48] <dholbert> ddahl, could you file a bug on "stale pref keeps print-to-file from defaulting to PDF"?
212. # [00:48] <ddahl> dholbert: ok, so nothing else to file then - I assume gecko was just trying to preserve "my" old prefs
213. # [00:48] <ddahl> ah ok
214. # [00:49] <dholbert> ddahl, well, I don't think we should lock you into always defaulting to a particular choice that you made once
215. # [00:49] <taras> smaug: i pinged him, but i think he's asleep
216. # [00:49] <ddahl> dholbert: i will do that asap
217. # [00:49] <dholbert> ddahl, that aspect of the situation is a new (afaik) bug
218. # [00:49] <dholbert> ddahl, thanks!
219. # [00:49] <ddahl> np
220. # [00:49] <dholbert> note on old bug (& re-close it) if you don't mind, too
221. # [00:49] <dholbert> thanks for the investigation!
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226. # [00:54] <smaug> akeybl: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Release&rev=b78fe362789b
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231. # [00:57] <akeybl> smaug: awesome
232. # [00:57] <akeybl> would there be any way to get your local build to QA? (cc marcia)
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236. # [01:01] <smaug> akeybl: I have only debug build
237. # [01:01] <smaug> and linux
238. # [01:01] <dholbert> ddahl, found an existing version of that bug & duped -- sorry for not remembering that earlier :(
239. # [01:01] <smaug> akeybl: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/opettay@mozilla.com-c7bf93c5aa2c/
240. # [01:01] <ddahl> dholbert: np
241. # [01:01] <smaug> akeybl: those tryserver builds should have the same code
242. # [01:02] <dholbert> ddahl, (your information still helps - at least when I filed the duped-to bug, the cause was still mysterious, but your info confirms the latest hypothesis there)
243. # [01:02] <ddahl> dholbert: anytime. these kinds of bugs are annoying
244. # [01:03] <dholbert> yup
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250. # [01:10] <akeybl> smaug: awesome - didn't realize they were ready
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253. # [01:14] <smaug> akeybl: any chance you could find someone, or few devs with macs to try to find the regression range why weak parent node in 8 works but not in 9
254. # [01:14] <smaug> it shouldn't take that much time
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257. # [01:14] <smaug> I hope
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268. # [01:22] <Standard8> smaug: how likely is this issue to affect Thunderbird 9 ? Is it something that is likely to be caused by a particular javascript construct?
269. # [01:23] <smaug> Standard8: no idea
270. # [01:23] <bmoss> smaug: khuey sicking and everyone else who jumped in this afternoon. Thank you. You guys rock!
271. # [01:23] <smaug> absolute no idea
272. # [01:24] <Standard8> smaug: heh ok
273. # [01:24] <bmoss> bent: you too
274. # [01:24] <sicking> bmoss: hope it works :)
275. # [01:24] * bmoss crosses his fingers
276. # [01:24] <smaug> crossing fingers
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278. # [01:24] <sicking> bmoss: and smaug
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280. # [01:25] * bmoss keeps repeating the glass is half full ...
281. # [01:25] <sicking> i think smaug put his finger on it first with the weak pointer
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283. # [01:26] * smaug is making just educated guesses. Haven't still reproduced the bug.
284. # [01:26] <smaug> :p
285. # [01:26] <sicking> smaug: the fact that all reproduceable steps we had are no longer working with the fix is good data i think
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287. # [01:26] <sicking> but yeah, it is still guesses
288. # [01:27] <smaug> sicking: well, there is still something else
289. # [01:27] <smaug> something has changed between FF8 and FF9
290. # [01:27] <sicking> smaug: yeah, but that can be any number of innocent things
291. # [01:27] <smaug> and I think we should try to find out what
292. # [01:27] <smaug> that is true
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294. # [01:28] <sicking> smaug: just a different object graph can change this from not crashing to crashing
295. # [01:28] <bmoss> we also need to figure out when to do the "real" fix and land it
296. # [01:28] <sicking> smaug: like an event handler somewhere
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298. # [01:28] <sicking> bmoss: the real fix has been landed on m-i
299. # [01:29] <smaug> the real fix may have landed
300. # [01:29] <bmoss> sweet. so when do we think we will be comfortable shipping such a beast
301. # [01:29] <smaug> no one has tested it, I think
302. # [01:29] <sicking> right
303. # [01:29] <smaug> bmoss: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712448 has links to the tryserver
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305. # [01:29] <smaug> someone should try the beta builds
306. # [01:29] <sicking> bmoss: i would say we should put it at least in aurora for now
307. # [01:29] <sicking> bmoss: if things look good there we can consider for beta too
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309. # [01:30] <bmoss> so we should get the ball rolling on starting that conversation
310. # [01:31] <smaug> I can't access ftp...
311. # [01:31] <smaug> tryserver builds for https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/d5fcf215a7db should be ready
312. # [01:31] <smaug> they should have the real fix
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314. # [01:32] <smaug> and tryserver says mochitest-plain-5: T-FAIL L-FAIL
315. # [01:32] <smaug> hmm
316. # [01:32] <smaug> known problems
317. # [01:33] <smaug> on m-i bent's patch seems to pass tests
318. # [01:33] <sicking> uhoh
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320. # [01:33] <khuey> lol
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326. # [01:35] <philor> oh, it's just the cycle collector crash with a random svg signature, that's no problem
327. # [01:35] <smaug> :)
328. # [01:35] <philor> indeed
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330. # [01:38] <philor> no idea about that 10.7 M4 on c7bf93c5aa2c, are you still interested in that push or has it been traded out for some other one?
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333. # [01:40] <smaug> philor: that failure happens whenever something from beta (or now release) is pushed to try
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336. # [01:41] <smaug> I don't recall the details...
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338. # [01:41] <smaug> someone mentioned about it...
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342. # [01:45] <philor> oh, we threw me off by having an unhidden 10.7 debug M5, rather than M4, visible on beta
343. # [01:46] <philor> which I'll need to remember to change post-uplift
344. # [01:47] <squib> is there a good way to overlay XHTML pages?
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346. # [01:47] <squib> overlays seem to apply only to XUL, which is sad
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348. # [01:48] <smaug> squib: there is some script to do overlays on (x)html
349. # [01:48] <smaug> glazou would know more...
350. # [01:48] <wg9s> smaug:SO sounds like something is fundamentally broken on try?
351. # [01:48] <squib> smaug: interesting...
352. # [01:48] <wg9s> smaug:does this mean there si something fundamentally broken on try?
353. # [01:49] <wg9s> opps soirry thought it did nto work first time cuase i was back-scrolled.
354. # [01:49] <smaug> squib: old stuff http://disruptive-innovations.com/zoo/20040830/HTMLoverlays.html
355. # [01:49] <smaug> wg9s: dunno
356. # [01:49] <squib> smaug: thanks; i'll take a look at that
357. # [01:50] <bear-buildduty> sicking - FYI - ftp for try-builds/ is working now
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360. # [01:50] <sicking> bear-buildduty: awesome, thanks!
361. # [01:50] <wg9s> if we can't get try builds to match results from bet or release is pushed to try, it would seem something is wrong.
362. # [01:50] <wg9s> s/bet/beta/
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365. # [01:51] <wg9s> If try is only useful for mozilla-central and mozilla-inbound, then it shoudl be documented as sucvh.
366. # [01:51] <wg9s> such
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368. # [01:52] <smaug> but anyway, we have now NullString()
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370. # [01:53] <jhammel> the fennec nightlies are all e10s still, right?
371. # [01:54] <jhammel> or is that only kinda true?
372. # [01:54] <smaug> jhammel: native fennec doesn't use e10s
373. # [01:54] <smaug> afaik
374. # [01:54] <smaug> ask #mobile
375. # [01:54] <jhammel> smaug: thanks
376. # [01:54] <jhammel> smaug: pre-native did though, right?
377. # [01:54] <smaug> right
378. # [01:55] <jhammel> smaug: thanks
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381. # [01:58] <smaug> bah, too full of adrenaline to sleep anytime soon.
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384. # [01:59] <philor> hmm, and -trace-malloc on 10.6 from beta probably fails, because espindola had to land patches to make it work on the trunk, too
385. # [02:00] <espindola> I am not tracking the patches, but I think they are in m-i, m-c and aurora
386. # [02:00] <espindola> so I guess they fail for beta
387. # [02:00] <espindola> which reminds me, I should probably send a patch enabling the tests for aurora...
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389. # [02:02] <philor> we just need to get geared up for releasing off the trunk on-push, get rid of all these old-code hassles
390. # [02:02] <khuey> grr
391. # [02:02] <khuey> jhammel--
392. # [02:02] <khuey> putting a beep character in his quit message
393. # [02:03] <lurking_work> so I assume that 9.0 is going to be a least 24 hrs late ?
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395. # [02:04] <tbsaunde> khuey: tht's classy
396. # [02:04] <khuey> lurking_work: we're shipping 9.0 for windows now, AIUI
397. # [02:04] <khuey> mac and linux will be delayed
398. # [02:04] <lurking_work> Ahh, OK
399. # [02:04] * lurking_work looks
400. # [02:05] <lurking_work> yep, up the main page
401. # [02:05] <lurking_work> updating :)
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407. # [02:07] <lurking_work> And updated :)
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413. # [02:09] <espindola> rail_away, fixed that already :-)
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418. # [02:14] <smaug> mats: please file bugs about those assertions. CC at least sicking
419. # [02:14] <smaug> well, also me to the mutation event bug
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425. # [02:14] <mats> ok
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427. # [02:15] <smaug> thanks
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440. # [02:27] <philor> nice, bz's curse continues
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443. # [02:29] <lurking_work> ?
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446. # [02:31] <mbrubeck> who's backing him out this time?
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451. # [02:33] <diogogmt> is there a way to get the top screenOffset starting from the top bar(with the minimize, close icons) and not from the chrome window?
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453. # [02:35] <diogogmt> when I call widget->WidgetToScreenOffset() with the browser is in fullscreen mode, the Y value is 0, however when the browser is maximized, but not in fullscreen, the Y value is 24
454. # [02:35] <smaug> roc: ^
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456. # [02:36] <philor> mbrubeck: just disable it on Android?
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458. # [02:36] <mbrubeck> perhaps
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460. # [02:37] <philor> or the jsreftestremote that we probably don't have
461. # [02:37] <roc> ?
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466. # [02:38] <smaug> roc: you might be able to answer to diogogmt's question
467. # [02:41] <roc> diogogmt: widget->GetScreenBounds()
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469. # [02:42] <diogogmt> roc: it gives me the same value as WidgetToScreenOffset()
470. # [02:43] <njn> anyone know if nsCSSStyleSheets are stored anywhere other than (a) in nsLayoutStylesheetCache and (b) in nsDocument::mStyleSheets ?
471. # [02:43] <njn> dholbert: ^^^ ?
472. # [02:43] <dholbert> njn, unsure, I haven't worked too much with style-system stuff
473. # [02:43] <njn> dholbert: k, thx
474. # [02:43] <dholbert> njn, I'd kick you over to dbaron or bz, but they're gone :)
475. # [02:43] <njn> dholbert: yeah
476. # [02:44] <njn> dholbert: I'm writing style memory reporters, (a) and (b) are covering a lot of the style sheets, but DMD tells me some remain
477. # [02:44] <diogogmt> roc: is there a place where I can get the size of the top bar?
478. # [02:44] <njn> at least, some nsCSSSelectors remain, and I'm measuring the ones in style sheets
479. # [02:45] <njn> but possibly not all of them
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484. # [02:49] <Nightgunner5> I've been running hg log --style http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1414005 for over five hours now and it's still not done.
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490. # [02:52] <dolske> on the whole tree?!
491. # [02:52] <darktrojan> how do I find out when a file was removed from the tree? hg log doesn't tell me anything
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504. # [02:59] <Unfocused> darktrojan: with great difficulty
505. # [02:59] <roc> diogogmt: GetScreenBounds is documented to return the size including decorations, so that sounds like a bug
506. # [02:59] <Unfocused> start with tip, check parent. if it's not there, check that parent. repeat until you find the file
507. # [02:59] <darktrojan> Unfocused, \o/
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509. # [02:59] <roc> in which case, probably no real way to find it out
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511. # [02:59] <Unfocused> Nightgunner5: that does not surprise me either.
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516. # [03:04] <darktrojan> Unfocused, looks like hg log has a --removed flag, how handy
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518. # [03:07] <Unfocused> it does?!
519. # [03:08] * Unfocused wonders when that was added
520. # [03:08] <darktrojan> dunno, stack overflow gave me 3 other ways to do it too
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522. # [03:08] <darktrojan> spolsky++
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526. # [03:13] <hub> smaug: I have no idea how to debug that issue if it is bug 710176 or not :-/
527. # [03:13] <hub> ooosp
528. # [03:14] <hub> wrong window/history
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531. # [03:16] <smaug> hub: :)
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533. # [03:16] <smaug> hub: make you own build with symbols and run a profiler
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540. # [03:24] <hub> smaug: yeah I already have my own build anyway
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546. # [03:33] <smaug> hub: which OS are you using?
547. # [03:33] <smaug> (I didn't ask before, but don't remember)
548. # [03:34] <smaug> hub: oh, btw, do you see high cpu usage
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554. # [03:42] <hub> smaug: Linux
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556. # [03:43] <hub> smaug: it goes up to 65%, then down 10-20%
557. # [03:43] <smaug> if you're seeing high cpu usage, even sysprof might tell whether it is about that ssl issue
558. # [03:43] <smaug> ah
559. # [03:43] <smaug> that doesn't sound like it
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562. # [03:46] <Jesse> rnewman: please use the magic phrase "No bug" instead of making up a bug number. unless there was beer involved ;)
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565. # [03:53] <aja> is 9.0.1 for single OS, or ?
566. # [03:54] <khuey> remains to be seen
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568. # [03:54] <aja> tl;dr - that backout of a backout stuff hurt my head
569. # [03:55] <khuey> heh
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572. # [03:56] <ewong> backout of a backout = relanding the original patch?
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576. # [03:59] <khuey> more or less
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585. # [04:09] <ewong> so has it uplifted yet?
586. # [04:10] <nigelb> khuey: Thanks for that blog post about the Windows PGO builds. I can finally throw that in the face of "firefox is too bloated to compile" people :)
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588. # [04:11] <blizzard> url?
589. # [04:11] <nigelb> http://blog.kylehuey.com/post/14453464655/pushing-compilers-to-the-limit-and-beyond
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593. # [04:14] <khuey> nigelb: yw
594. # [04:14] <khuey> :-)
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599. # [04:20] <ewong> strange..maybe I'm getting confused... khuey's planet post seemed longer than the actual blog post...
600. # [04:20] <ewong> Oooh.. the planet post choked on <canvas>
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602. # [04:21] <khuey> yeh
603. # [04:21] <khuey> *yeah
604. # [04:22] <ewong> khuey so the solution is to talk to Microsoft to get the 64bit->32bit linker done?
605. # [04:23] <khuey> well, I doubt they're actually going to do that
606. # [04:24] <khuey> I'm not sure that there's any silver bullet here
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609. # [04:26] <ewong> someone mentioned splitting libxul.. and IIRC, that's also a painful (scary) thing to do
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618. # [04:30] <khuey> we split a few things out of libxul
619. # [04:30] <khuey> the pain and fear depends on what you're splitting ;-)
620. # [04:31] <mcpherrin> libxul2.so
621. # [04:32] <khuey> libcrap.so
622. # [04:32] <heycam> xul, the good bits
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630. # [04:40] <bholley> khuey: ping
631. # [04:40] <khuey> bholley: pong
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633. # [04:41] <bholley> khuey: so, consider the case where you have a native object reflected into JS, and somebody uses it as a prototype
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635. # [04:41] <bholley> khuey: currently, calling native methods on the derived object will cause XPConnect to crawl up the chain until it finds the wrapper, and then invoke the native method on the native object
636. # [04:42] <khuey> mmm
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638. # [04:42] <bholley> khuey: bz wants to stop doing this for DOM objects. Given that, I'm wondering if there's any use for it within gecko, or if I can kill it entirely
639. # [04:43] <khuey> bholley: afaik there's no legitimate use
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641. # [04:43] <khuey> we definitely should kill it for the dom
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643. # [04:43] <bholley> khuey: I wonder if it will bork extensions...
644. # [04:43] <bholley> khuey: probably not a great way to find out without landing it
645. # [04:43] <bholley> s/probably/there's probably/
646. # [04:43] <khuey> could we telemetrize this?
647. # [04:44] <bholley> khuey: we could. that's a fair amount of effort and time though
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649. # [04:45] <khuey> bholley: yeah
650. # [04:45] <khuey> bholley: I really doubt people are actually using this
651. # [04:45] <khuey> except for maybe some sort of insane xpcom method overriding setup
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655. # [04:48] <bholley> khuey: the problem with such an overriding setup would be that to do it constructor-style (MyConstructor.prototype = someXPCOMObject) would mean that all instances would share state via the XPCOM object
656. # [04:48] <bholley> khuey: which could work for readonly stuff, but is unlikely to do the right thing otherwise
657. # [04:48] <bholley> khuey: the other possibility is people doing __proto__
658. # [04:48] <bholley> (mutable __proto__, that is)
659. # [04:49] <bholley> khuey: I think I'm going to optimistically kill it, and see if I can make it partly backoutable
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664. # [04:51] <khuey> bholley: true, I didn't think of the shared state
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671. # [04:57] <Mook> bholley: is there a bug on killing that stupid force-using-native-method behaviour? that's be so nice...
672. # [04:58] <bholley> Mook: bug 622301
673. # [04:58] <bholley> Mook: have you seen it in the wild?
674. # [04:58] <Mook> right now, if you need to do insane xpcom overriding, you pretty much need to use a (es5) proxy, I think, and forward everything manually..
675. # [04:58] <Mook> bholley: I've been bitten by it in the wild? :P
676. # [04:58] <bholley> Mook: what were you trying to do?
677. # [04:59] <Mook> (I don't _want_ the stupid find-the-wrapper behaviour; when I implement my own wrapper, I want my QI to get called)
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680. # [05:03] <Jesse> gps: smaug: the code for AMO is on github. https://wiki.mozilla.org/AMO:Developers
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687. # [05:09] <Jesse> philor: you don't like the hook? i thought you'd find it useful that when investigating bustage, everything has a bug number
688. # [05:09] <Jesse> darktrojan: https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Evilpie/commit-restrictions
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705. # [05:25] <philor> ah, browserIsRemote
706. # [05:25] <philor> unless of course it doesn't work in jsreftests
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717. # [05:42] <khuey> that sounds familiar
718. # [05:43] <Anarchy> khuey, I tried to revert the one patch but still seeing an infinite loop
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720. # [05:43] <Anarchy> khuey, if you are thinking of bug 669050 that is.
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727. # [05:50] <aja> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/9.0.1/whatsnew/ is 404
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734. # [05:54] <Anarchy> aja, when was 9.0.1 even released?
735. # [05:55] <aja> win un-US just built
736. # [05:55] <aja> linux an hour or so before
737. # [05:55] <aja> en-US
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740. # [05:56] <aja> not sure which OS'es it's planned for, truthfully
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742. # [05:57] <Anarchy> Could not say, all I know is this new release schedule suxs, seems like all QA work is gone.
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754. # [06:13] <mbrubeck> bleh, do I back out bz again? maybe someone with access to bug 624621 could CC me to it?
755. # [06:13] <mbrubeck> mrbkap: ping
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758. # [06:15] * mbrubeck will try disabling the test on Android like philor suggested
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760. # [06:16] <philor> mbrubeck: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=ad359e296a90
761. # [06:16] <philor> I lacked faith in myself
762. # [06:16] <mbrubeck> r=mbrubeck
763. # [06:16] <philor> plus the thing is obviously cursed
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769. # [06:23] <philor> oh, yeah, I was going to star -release, wasn't I?
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775. # [06:27] <mbrubeck> don't worry, no one noticed besides me
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778. # [06:29] <philor> I don't know why, but it just amuses the hell out of me that we shipped whatever it would have been in August, 7.0.1 I guess, after a landing that hit a never before seen, never examined, and unretriggered test failure
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799. # [07:00] <philor> come on, try, while we're young
800. # [07:01] <mbrubeck> !bug 686143
801. # [07:02] <mbrubeck> though actually that doesn't seem to be a big problem on J3 - http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/orangefactor/?display=Bug&bugid=686143&startday=2011-11-22&endday=2011-12-20&tree=mozilla-inbound
802. # [07:02] <philor> self-serve says... green!
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886. # [08:57] <cpeterson> remote: abort: could not lock repository /repo/hg/mozilla/try: Permission denied
887. # [08:57] <cpeterson> abort: unexpected response: empty string
888. # [08:57] <cpeterson> try server question: I'm trying to use the try servers for the first time, but I get the following error when I "hg push -f try" my mq patches:
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890. # [08:58] <darktrojan> well that's not going to help
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926. # [09:42] <NeilAway> oh, darktrojan found it already
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930. # [09:43] <Unfocused> yea :)
931. # [09:44] <Unfocused> am surprised i didn't know about it
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978. # [10:42] <glandium> do we have tests for the PSM that check that we have the root CAs module loaded?
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985. # [10:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9aa0f5842d75 - Victor Porof - Bug 711341 - Tilt should give focus back to Highlighter when closed; r=rcampbell
986. # [10:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/de1cf77a8d6b - Victor Porof - Bug 710762 - Keyboard control for zoom in tilt (page inspector 3D); r=rcampbell
987. # [10:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cd921d073b22 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
988. # [10:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c2cb5d6b8cb9 - Victor Porof - Bug 710750 - ESC key should exit Tilt (page inspector 3D); r=rcampbell
989. # [10:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a98e349f29f7 - Kenny Heaton - Bug 684546 - The Scratchpad editor's undo/redo state is preserved across file loads. r=msucan
990. # [10:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fe77d3b0aece - Jignesh Kakadiya - Bug 583816 - Tab should not move to the page when there's nothing to complete in the Web Console. r=msucan,rcampbell
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995. # [10:57] * darktrojan changes topic to 'm-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: January 31 || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || "if you like the way it's working, just you wait five minutes"'
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1013. # [11:25] <LegNeato> does DONT BUILD work just as good as DONTBUILD? Or do I need to not have a space?
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1015. # [11:26] <jfkthame> afaik, there should be no space
1016. # [11:27] <Standard8> LegNeato: no space
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1018. # [11:28] <whimboo> NeilAway: ping
1019. # [11:30] <LegNeato> Standard8: Ok, thanks
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1022. # [11:38] <darktrojan> Standard8, can I disable the tb account wizard on startup? I'm trying to test stuff and it's annoying :(
1023. # [11:39] <Standard8> darktrojan: start up with an account installed
1024. # [11:39] <Standard8> ?
1025. # [11:40] <darktrojan> apart from that
1026. # [11:40] <jfkthame> LegNeato: i expect you're particularly swamped at the moment, what with migration day and all, but please remember bug 668813 when you can find a bit of time - thanks
1027. # [11:40] <mounir> anyone has a clue of what could make this error happen when building for android native ui: res/values/strings.xml:1: error: Error parsing XML: no element found
1028. # [11:40] <Standard8> darktrojan: what are you trying to test?
1029. # [11:40] <darktrojan> lightning
1030. # [11:40] <Standard8> i.e. why do you have to not have an account installed?
1031. # [11:40] <LegNeato> jfkthame: Yep, got it
1032. # [11:40] <LegNeato> err, will get it tomorrow
1033. # [11:41] <Standard8> darktrojan: you can just create a dummy rss account
1034. # [11:41] * LegNeato writes a note on a sticky
1035. # [11:41] <darktrojan> okay, that'll do
1036. # [11:41] <darktrojan> was hoping there was a pref or something
1037. # [11:41] <Standard8> but I don't think we've got any way of the account wizard being disabled
1038. # [11:41] <Standard8> well basically if you don't have an account, then TB is broken ;-)
1039. # [11:41] <darktrojan> yeah that figures
1040. # [11:42] <glob> back
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1043. # [11:43] <darktrojan> that's got rid of it, ta
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1047. # [11:52] <NeilAway> whimboo: only the Vista SDK includes the VC2005 compiler and debug CRT
1048. # [11:52] <whimboo> NeilAway: great. so lets take that one then
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1056. # [12:06] <mrbkap> mbrubeck: pong
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1064. # [12:13] <edmorley> I'm presuming the inbound bustage was another "whoops forgot to hg add XYZ"
1065. # [12:14] * edmorley wonders if there is an easy way to stop mercurial allowing push operations with unversioned files in the working directory
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1068. # [12:15] <glandium> great, so we have absolutely no test that checks whether nssckbi is loaded
1069. # [12:15] <edmorley> (since this seems to happen quite a bit)
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1072. # [12:18] <gabor> edmorley: maybe a safe_push script could help, that does some magic checks before the actual push
1073. # [12:18] <gabor> not forcing... but better than nothing
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1075. # [12:18] <edmorley> yeah
1076. # [12:19] <glandium> it would probably make more sense at commit time
1077. # [12:19] <glandium> or qrefresh
1078. # [12:19] <edmorley> plus it could do the commit message hook stuff locally too, to save the aggravation of hitting it on push
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1080. # [12:19] <edmorley> on qfin might be a good time
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1083. # [12:23] <glandium> qref and commit are better. qfin is already too late
1084. # [12:23] <edmorley> yeah but qref would mess with people's workflow
1085. # [12:24] <edmorley> [mq] my temp patch
1086. # [12:24] <edmorley> etc
1087. # [12:24] <edmorley> "Sorry no bug number blah blah"
1088. # [12:24] <edmorley> Hmmm looks like th inbound android bustage wasn't that cset
1089. # [12:24] * edmorley goes to get tea to wake up a bit
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1091. # [12:25] <glandium> edmorley: i was more thinking about the "hey, you may have forgotten this file" warning on qref
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1093. # [12:28] <edmorley> ah yeah :-)
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1100. # [12:44] <NeilAway> edmorley: someone already wrote a commit hook, but I don't have it handy
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1105. # [12:59] <glandium> I think it's my bug filing day... 10 so far, and only 1 related to my current work
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1108. # [13:04] <Ms2ger> mounir, that's a race condition that was fixed tonight, I thinl
1109. # [13:04] <Ms2ger> *think
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1119. # [13:16] <MichaelKohler> hi guys, where is goDoCommand specified as referenced in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/prompts/content/commonDialog.xul#25 ?
1120. # [13:16] <MichaelKohler> oh, actually I know that.. but where does http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/globalOverlay.js#97 go? (the doCommand)
1121. # [13:18] <Callek> MichaelKohler: see para 2 of https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XUL/command
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1123. # [13:19] <MichaelKohler> Callek: thanks
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1125. # [13:20] <Callek> MichaelKohler: so yea, when looking at what goDoCommand should do, search for its command ID :-)
1126. # [13:20] <Callek> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=cmd_selectAll
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1131. # [13:31] <NeilAway> Callek: actually that page has nothing to do with goDoCommand
1132. # [13:33] <NeilAway> MichaelKohler: as I recall, goDoCommand('cmd_selectAll') ends up calling something in nsGlobalWindowCommands
1133. # [13:33] <Callek> NeilAway: well it mentions goDoCommand for <xul:command> relation
1134. # [13:33] <Callek> but yes, cmd_selectAll does call into Cpp code
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1136. # [13:35] <MichaelKohler> NeilAway: alright, thanks
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1139. # [13:36] <NeilAway> Callek: yeah, that's just plain incorrect :-(
1140. # [13:36] <glazou> bonjour
1141. # [13:36] <Callek> NeilAway: hrm, really???
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1143. # [13:36] <Callek> NeilAway: my understanding/testing showed it to also work that way with <xul:command>'s
1144. # [13:36] <Callek> O well
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1147. # [13:40] <MichaelKohler> if I see it correctly, cmd_selectAll ends up here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/nsGlobalWindowCommands.cpp#642
1148. # [13:41] <edmorley> I really should get this automated merge merging thing made
1149. # [13:41] <edmorley> s/merging/marking/
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1172. # [14:14] <MichaelKohler> is bug 592653 still wanted?
1173. # [14:17] <khuey> yes
1174. # [14:18] <MichaelKohler> for every occurance or just within tests?
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1177. # [14:19] <khuey> well that bug is just for tests, but replacing it globally is desirable too
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1179. # [14:21] <MichaelKohler> should I file a new bug for non-tests occurrences or just do it within the scope of bug 592653?
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1183. # [14:29] <khuey> if you're going to do it, it's up to you :-)
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1198. # [14:41] <MichaelKohler> khuey: okay, thanks :)
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1210. # [14:52] <@dbaron> dao1, it's sort of impressive how we managed to file the same bug with the same set of product/component, keywords, flags, and dependencies :-)
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1212. # [14:53] <edmorley> even the tracking flags were an exact match :-)
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1261. # [15:44] <bent> does anyone else think that the font size on bugzilla's splinter review is way too small?
1262. # [15:44] <bent> normal bugzilla looks fine... but the review is like a credit card agreement
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1274. # [15:50] <smaug> bent: good catch yesterday
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1276. # [15:51] <bent> smaug, hey, where are we with fixes?
1277. # [15:51] <Ms2ger> 2.56 /* For now, don't use wchar_t on Unix because it breaks the Netscape
1278. # [15:51] <Ms2ger> 2.57 * commercial build.
1279. # [15:51] * Ms2ger always likes that comment
1280. # [15:51] <bent> smaug, eh, it was obvious once we knew what was going wrong
1281. # [15:51] <bent> can't believe we didn't see this for 2 years
1282. # [15:51] <smaug> yeah
1283. # [15:52] <bent> maybe CC inefficiency or something hid it
1284. # [15:52] <smaug> well, the crash has been there all the time
1285. # [15:52] <khuey> we saw crash reports as far back as 4.0
1286. # [15:52] <khuey> just not with this volume
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1289. # [15:53] <smaug> lunch
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1302. # [16:05] <mfinkle> khuey, are we concerned about the red Linux64 PGO on m-i ?
1303. # [16:05] <mfinkle> the log says:
1304. # [16:05] <mfinkle> g++: error trying to exec '/tools/gcc-4.5-0moz3/libexec/gcc/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/4.5.2/collect2': execv: Argument list too long
1305. # [16:06] <edmorley> mfinkle: have just retriggered before/after Ginn Chen's landing
1306. # [16:07] <mfinkle> k
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1345. # [16:44] <ma1> Components.utils.getWeakReference(null) throws NS_ERROR_FAILURE on 11-12 but doesn't on 9? what's the "correct" behavior (or, better, the one which will stay)?
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1348. # [16:46] <Ms2ger> I just touched that, may have been me
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1350. # [16:47] <Ms2ger> ma1, ah, we didn't propagate the exception before
1351. # [16:47] <ma1> Ms2ger: so it is supposed to throw now? (it's breaking NoScript under some circumstances)
1352. # [16:47] <Ms2ger> Can you file a bug in Core::XPConnect and cc me (Ms2ger@gmail.com) and :bholley?
1353. # [16:48] <ma1> Ms2ger: bug for what? should it try or not?
1354. # [16:48] <ma1> s/try/throw/
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1356. # [16:48] <Ms2ger> That it throws now
1357. # [16:49] <Ms2ger> It's probably better to just silently do fail in that case
1358. # [16:49] <ma1> I mean, I'm gonna change NoScript anyway with a null check, but it would be nice to be documented
1359. # [16:50] <ma1> Ms2ger: I agree, the value held by a weakreference will eventually be null anyway, so it's consistent with the interface
1360. # [16:50] <Ms2ger> Makes sense
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1362. # [16:50] * bent disagrees
1363. # [16:50] <bent> hides bugs!
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1365. # [16:51] <Ms2ger> ma1, and please make it block bug 708330
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1369. # [16:55] <ted> bent: you tracked down the actual source of that crash?
1370. # [16:55] * ted didn't see that
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1372. # [16:55] <Ms2ger> Which bug?
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1374. # [16:56] <ted> the one that was blocking firefox 9
1375. # [16:56] <ted> i assume
1376. # [16:56] <bent> yeah, it was old
1377. # [16:56] <ted> don't recall the bug # offhand
1378. # [16:56] <bent> bug 712448
1379. # [16:56] <khuey> 711794 is the crash
1380. # [16:56] <Ms2ger> Oh, that one
1381. # [16:57] <khuey> nice, airfrance sent me my booking email in french
1382. # [16:57] * Ms2ger curses XPConnect
1383. # [16:57] * khuey wonders what he's supposed to do with this
1384. # [16:57] <Ms2ger> khuey, ask your francophone colleagues?
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1386. # [16:57] <lurking> google translate
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1388. # [16:58] <khuey> ah, the second half of the email is in english
1389. # [16:58] * khuey scrolls down
1390. # [16:58] <catlee> ted: poked you for review in bug 712642
1391. # [16:58] <ted> done
1392. # [16:58] <catlee> do we stillneed that on trunk?
1393. # [16:58] <ted> you'd have to ask billm
1394. # [16:58] <Ms2ger> khuey, how would one typically test something hanging off Components.utils.
1395. # [16:58] <Ms2ger> ?
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1397. # [16:59] <ted> Ms2ger: xpcshell test
1398. # [16:59] <khuey> right
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1403. # [17:01] <bz> Does anyone know who's in charge of generating http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/9.0/releasenotes/buglist.html ?
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1406. # [17:02] <ted> bz: i thought they had some sort of automation for that nowadays
1407. # [17:02] <bz> ted: sure, but who's in charge of it? Because the query is wrong...
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1409. # [17:03] <bz> ted: or at least it's certainly missing things
1410. # [17:03] <ted> ask legneato or akeybl, i'd guess
1411. # [17:03] <bz> ok
1412. # [17:03] <bz> thanks
1413. # [17:03] <ted> i know akeybl is awake since he just msged me
1414. # [17:03] <ted> legneato msged me a couple hours ago and he was still awake from yesterday, so...
1415. # [17:03] <bz> yeah, he's likely asleep
1416. # [17:03] * bz will ping them
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1418. # [17:05] <Ms2ger> Morning bz
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1420. # [17:06] <bz> Ms2ger: good morning
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1422. # [17:08] <ma1> Ms2ger: for what other reasons could getWeakReference() fail? Shouldn't this be documented in MDN and be flagged as [addoncompat]?
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1424. # [17:08] <Ms2ger> I'd need to follow the traces
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1448. # [17:27] <mbrubeck> Ginn Chen's landing that broke Linux PGO also generated a Linux Codesighs regression mail
1449. # [17:28] <mbrubeck> though our codesighs numbers on CentOS are ridiculously unreliable, so who knows
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1458. # [17:31] <mrbkap> Does anybody know of a web service that syntax-checks JS code without running it?
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1460. # [17:33] <sheppy> What's the latest on the Mac blocker?
1461. # [17:33] <cjones> mrbkap, www.jslint.com
1462. # [17:33] <jdm> holy crap, how did I only just learn about the style editor?
1463. # [17:34] <sheppy> jdm: it's really new and totally freaking awesome.
1464. # [17:34] <glazou> mrbkap: http://www.esprima.org/demo/parse.html
1465. # [17:34] <jdm> yeah, tell me about it
1466. # [17:35] <sheppy> We're starting to have some really kick-ass web developer tools.
1467. # [17:35] * coop|afk is now known as coop
1468. # [17:36] <djc> I still get angry with the web console
1469. # [17:36] <edmorley> and now tilt too :-)
1470. # [17:36] <djc> for showing me underlined URLs that don't otherwise act like links
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1472. # [17:38] <dao> is http: missing for anyone else in the style editor? e.g. background-image:url(//g0.gstatic.com/ig/images/v2/sprite0_classic.gif);
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1480. # [17:43] <mrbkap> cjones: ugh, that site doesn't support const.
1481. # [17:44] <cjones> mrbkap, did you try checking "Tolerate ES5 syntax"?
1482. # [17:44] <cjones> not sure if that works
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1488. # [17:46] <ted> dao: that's technically a valid URL
1489. # [17:47] <ted> might be intended
1490. # [17:47] <ted> (you can make a URL that's relative to the scheme in use that way, so it works for http or https)
1491. # [17:47] <dao> certainly not by the author
1492. # [17:47] <Julian> ted: it's a valid URI reference
1493. # [17:47] <ted> yes, i just said that
1494. # [17:47] * bz sees lucrative revenue source for browser developers
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1496. # [17:47] <bz> well, "lucrative"
1497. # [17:47] <Julian> http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc3986.html#rfc.section.4.2
1498. # [17:48] <Julian> oops, sorry
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1500. # [17:48] <luke> you know, it would be nice if tbpl hid jetpack by default when it was perma red. b/c now i waste a minute on every try result confirming 'yes, it's burning for everyone'
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1507. # [17:50] <sid0> Does xpcshell's dump() try to convert to ISO-8859-1 before printing to the Windows console?
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1509. # [17:50] <ted> uh
1510. # [17:51] <bz> sid0: 299 JSAutoByteString bytes(cx, str);
1511. # [17:51] <edmorley> luke: I can hide it, but people then get confused by the failures via email, so not sure which preferable really
1512. # [17:51] <bz> and then
1513. # [17:51] <bz> 303 fputs(bytes.ptr(), stdout);
1514. # [17:51] <ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/shell/xpcshell.cpp#446
1515. # [17:51] <bz> JSAutoByteString will byte-deflate right now, but possibly convert to UTF-8 in the future
1516. # [17:51] <bz> why?
1517. # [17:52] <bz> erm
1518. # [17:52] <bz> we have two different dumps?
1519. # [17:52] <sid0> three
1520. # [17:52] <Mossop> Yes
1521. # [17:52] <sid0> IIRC
1522. # [17:52] <mrbkap> At least.
1523. # [17:52] <rnewman> any objection to a large mobile landing, java-and-makefile only, on m-c shortly?
1524. # [17:52] * bz was looking at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/ipc/testshell/XPCShellEnvironment.cpp#286
1525. # [17:52] <bz> no, I meant for xpcshell only
1526. # [17:52] <sheppy> Good ol' Mozilla. :)
1527. # [17:52] <bz> I know we have lots of different dumps in general!
1528. # [17:52] <bz> oh, ipc
1529. # [17:52] <bz> I see
1530. # [17:52] <bz> in any case, it's the same code
1531. # [17:52] <bz> JSAutoByteString
1532. # [17:52] <ted> bz: that's a different shell
1533. # [17:52] <ted> ha ha
1534. # [17:53] <ted> we have like 7 different dump implementations
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1536. # [17:53] <bz> yeah
1537. # [17:53] <mrbkap> ted: don't make me come over there.
1538. # [17:53] <sid0> bz: what's byte-deflate?
1539. # [17:53] <edmorley> rnewman: inbound is a superset of m-c at present, are any of the extra mobile csets on inbound touching the same area?
1540. # [17:53] <ted> mrbkap: hey, i totally just fixed one of them to write to stdout
1541. # [17:53] <bz> sid0: take each 16-bit character, chop off the top 8 bits, and stick the bottom 8 into a char
1542. # [17:53] <ted> when it was writing to stderr
1543. # [17:53] <ted> (i think you reviewed that?)
1544. # [17:54] <bz> sid0: so for a string expressible in ISO-8859-1 it's conversion to ISO-8859-1
1545. # [17:54] <sid0> bz: Oh wonderful.
1546. # [17:54] <rnewman> edmorley: unknown; part of my choice of m-c over m-i is to avoid having to rebase makefile changes again
1547. # [17:54] <mrbkap> ted: I think the worker dump writes to stderr, currently.
1548. # [17:54] <sid0> Right.
1549. # [17:54] <bz> sid0: and for other strings it's complete garbage
1550. # [17:54] <sid0> yeah
1551. # [17:54] <sid0> lovely
1552. # [17:54] <sheppy> Nice.
1553. # [17:54] <ted> mrbkap: :-(
1554. # [17:54] <rnewman> have approval from blassey and dougt
1555. # [17:54] <bz> sid0: you're using this on non-ASCII strings?
1556. # [17:55] <sid0> bz: I'm debugging this arcane issue with libmime
1557. # [17:55] <rnewman> bombs away
1558. # [17:55] <sid0> I guess I shouldn't be using it on non-ascii
1559. # [17:55] * sid0 shrugs
1560. # [17:55] <luke> edmorley: any way to not send the emails? (personally i always ignore the emails since, last i checked, it doesn't have autostar data)
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1562. # [17:55] <yvan> was there cake for Firefox 9? someone asked on reddit
1563. # [17:55] <yvan> anyone have pictures?
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1565. # [17:56] <edmorley> luke: I'm not sure (I always use -n in trychooser anyway). I almost hid JP on try the other day anyway, might just do it regardless
1566. # [17:56] <Ms2ger> edmorley, please do
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1568. # [17:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/462e372310a3 - Richard Newman - Bug 709391 - Part 3: Makefile changes to preprocess sync_syncadapter.xml. r=blassey
1569. # [17:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5c1e8120d743 - Richard Newman - Bug 709391 - initial import of Android Sync code (Git tag: v0.1.2-fixes). a=java-only
1570. # [17:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7d1794f25fd3 - Richard Newman - Bug 709391 - Part 2: l10n build changes to include Sync strings. r=blassey, f=Pike
1571. # [17:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/81d34a32e031 - Richard Newman - Bug 709391 - Part 1: implement in-Fennec Android Sync shipping solution. r=blassey
1572. # [17:57] <luke> edmorley: that would be appreciated from my end
1573. # [17:57] <edmorley> luke, Ms2ger: done :-)
1574. # [17:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b573033b92b6 - Richard Newman - Bug 709391 - hide Sync setup task in Launcher, make syncs return immediately. a=java-only.
1575. # [17:57] * rnewman settles down to watch tbpl with a cup of tea
1576. # [17:57] <sid0> Android sync, yay
1577. # [17:57] <luke> edmorley: appreciated :)
1578. # [17:57] <Ms2ger> Ta
1579. # [17:57] <rnewman> sid0: don't get your hopes up, it ain't finished ;)
1580. # [17:57] <sid0> rnewman: aw
1581. # [17:57] <rnewman> but yay nonetheless :D
1582. # [17:57] <rnewman> nearly!
1583. # [17:58] <rnewman> end of Jan should be looking really great
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1585. # [17:58] <sid0> ah great
1586. # [17:58] <sid0> can't wait to have sync back up
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1588. # [17:58] <Ms2ger> I don't want to see the end of janv, thanks
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1597. # [18:04] <rnewman> Ms2ger: I might sleep through it
1598. # [18:05] <nigelb> I wonder if rnewman will win the samurai sombreo of shame today.
1599. # [18:05] <mbrubeck> wg9s: Sorry I missed the conversation in #mobile last night -- it looked like some of your questions didn't get clear answers.
1600. # [18:05] <rnewman> nigelb: after two try pushes, I sure hope not
1601. # [18:05] <mbrubeck> wg9s: As the main person who is still working on XUL Fennec, can I clear anything up?
1602. # [18:05] <mbrubeck> (I landed another fix for XUL fennec just yesterday)
1603. # [18:06] <mbrubeck> and I'm happy to review and accept patches for XUL fennec bugs.
1604. # [18:07] <nigelb> rnewman: :)
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1609. # [18:11] <nemo> bleah. clicked "clear disc cache" (922MiB) under advanced
1610. # [18:11] <nemo> nightly has been locked up for a few minutes now
1611. # [18:11] <nemo> still waiting on it
1612. # [18:11] <nemo> that's kinda meh :-/
1613. # [18:11] <nemo> ah. there we go...
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1651. # [18:37] <jlebar|mac> Where's the list of all mochitest domains? (e.g. "example.com")
1652. # [18:38] * jlebar|mac tried looking for files with both "example.com" and "example.net", but that didn't work.
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1659. # [18:39] <jlebar|mac> ah, because example.net is not a mochitest domain.
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1661. # [18:39] <jlebar|mac> build/pgo/server-locations.txt
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1674. # [18:46] <wg9s> mbrubeck: Just rying to find out if now that Firefox 11 is going to aurora, will there be seperate downloads on the auroroa page ofr the Native version recommended for phones and the XUL version reccomended for tablets?
1675. # [18:46] <wg9s> and once you select which to download to stay on that version with no automatic XUL to native going on?
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1680. # [18:49] <mbrubeck> wg9s: I just filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712678 and I'll file a bug for the links on the download pages too
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1682. # [18:49] <mbrubeck> not sure if it'll be in place in time for the Aurora launch, but I hope it'll be there soon
1683. # [18:49] <mbrubeck> For Fx11 beta and release we will definitely be shipping and supporting both products.
1684. # [18:51] <Ms2ger> <Unfocused> its ok, i'm in NZ and have no sheep
1685. # [18:51] <Ms2ger> Oh really?
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1692. # [18:53] <wg9s> mbrubeck:and I suppose I will just have to wait for Ice Cream Sandwich to have any hope of flash support in Firefox?
1693. # [18:54] <mbrubeck> wg9s: Well, native Fennec has flash support enabled for Android 2.x now
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1700. # [18:55] <mbrubeck> Source code for Honeycomb + ICS was only just released, but now we should have the info we need to get working Flash support for Android 3/4
1701. # [18:56] <wg9s> mbrubeck:Oh so it was the fact we had no source that was the issue?
1702. # [18:56] <mbrubeck> wg9s: Yeah, that was the biggest blocker. I think we were also working with Adobe to get some support so we were able to start some work sooner.
1703. # [18:57] <wg9s> mbrubeck:Somone should have maybe pushed Google to give us what was required under some kind of non-disclosure agreement.
1704. # [18:57] <mbrubeck> also I believe they totally changed the API in the Honeycomb version
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1708. # [18:57] <wg9s> From what I understand the only reason the Android 3 source was not available was Google didn;t want anyone trying to use it in a phone.
1709. # [18:58] <mbrubeck> Yeah, unfortunately Google hasn't been super-responsive to mobile Firefox issues... like the one where mobile Gmail was broken in Firefox for a month before they got around to fixing it. :(
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1719. # [19:02] <bear-buildduty> FYI - hg and svn servers are having issues right now
1720. # [19:02] <bear-buildduty> so if your pushing to hg or trying to clone... it will be painful
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1722. # [19:03] <catlee> hm, github is having issues too
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1728. # [19:05] <wg9s> mbrubeck:Thanks for taking the time to chat with me about this
1729. # [19:05] <mbrubeck> you're welcome
1730. # [19:06] <bear-buildduty> hg and svn are coming back up
1731. # [19:06] <mbrubeck> wg9s: Just filed bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712688 for adding XUL download links
1732. # [19:06] <mbrubeck> (again, I'm not sure how soon we'll have the resources to get that set up.)
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1738. # [19:08] <evilpie> fwiw for the people doing version bumps with bug 700000, there is 'no bug'
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1740. # [19:09] <mak> so, my browser is a status where it refuses to solve any name, any network expert around suggesting what I may eval in the Error console to check what causes it?
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1745. # [19:10] <florian> when in the shutdown leak statistics of a debug build I see that some instances of XPCWrappedNative, nsXPCWrappedJS and nsXPCWrappedJSClass remain, is there a way to know what's wrapped in them?
1746. # [19:10] <rnewman> bear-buildduty: would those hg server issues explain the burning OS X debug builds in m-c right now?
1747. # [19:10] * jimm is now known as jimm-lunch
1748. # [19:11] <bear-buildduty> rnewman - yes, they are all failing on various hg operations
1749. # [19:11] <rnewman> good to know, thanks.
1750. # [19:11] <bear-buildduty> i'm filing a bug to start marking them with the number
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1754. # [19:12] <rnewman> ta, feel free to stomp on my intermediate starring
1755. # [19:12] <bear-buildduty> k
1756. # [19:12] <Ms2ger> mrbkap, florian has a question you may be able to answer
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1765. # [19:16] <Mook_as> florian: sometimes XPC_SHUTDOWN_HEAP_DUMP helps. (sometimes it just makes me stabby.)
1766. # [19:17] <florian> Mook_as: it's what I'm currently trying :)
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1768. # [19:18] <khuey> really?
1769. # [19:18] <khuey> it always makes me staby
1770. # [19:18] <jesup> khuey: perhaps you're interested - WebIDL just added enums http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/#idl-enums
1771. # [19:18] <khuey> jesup: yeah, I need to yell at heycam for that
1772. # [19:19] <jesup> The WebRTC editors have been persuaded to switch from enumerated-by-hand constants to (enum) strings because of this (how I found out)
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1774. # [19:20] <espindola> !seen dolske
1775. # [19:20] <firebot> dolske was last seen 8 hours, 47 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying 'gavin! http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/12/111212124707.htm' in #foxymonkies.
1776. # [19:20] <espindola> could someone else take a look at 702848 :-(
1777. # [19:21] <espindola> there are two patches that fix the bug, I am OK with any of them
1778. # [19:21] <espindola> in fact, there are 3 if you look in the obsolete ones....
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1786. # [19:28] <philor> oh, that's why the tree status on aurora and beta looks odd, it's mixed-case and thus busted
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1788. # [19:29] <espindola> !seen sdwilsh
1789. # [19:29] <firebot> sdwilsh was last seen 1 day, 17 hours, 41 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying 'nobody reads warnings' in #fx-team.
1790. # [19:29] <espindola> !seen !dwitte
1791. # [19:29] <firebot> I've never seen a '!dwitte', sorry.
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1793. # [19:30] <espindola> :-(
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1796. # [19:30] <catlee> you've got an extra ! in there
1797. # [19:31] <espindola> ah
1798. # [19:31] <espindola> !seen dwitte
1799. # [19:31] <firebot> dwitte was last seen 2 weeks, 18 hours, 41 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying 'dolske: o furtuna! http://procatinator.com/?cat=39' in #foxymonkies.
1800. # [19:31] <espindola> still :-(
1801. # [19:31] <espindola> but thanks
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1810. # [19:33] <sheppy> paul: Do we know of any IndexedDB demos that work on Firefox?
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1816. # [19:38] <paul> sheppy: no :/
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1820. # [19:39] <sheppy> paul: sadfaces
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1826. # [19:40] <paul> sheppy: I used to use that: http://nparashuram.com/trialtool/index.html#example=http://axemclion.github.com/ttd/firefox/moz_indexedDB.html&selected=Get%20All%20Data&fork=true&;
1827. # [19:40] <paul> sheppy: not sure it's still working
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1829. # [19:41] <sheppy> ok
1830. # [19:41] <sheppy> Google is asking if any of the demos work on Firefox. :)
1831. # [19:41] <mbrubeck> sheppy: jhammink has one at http://people.mozilla.com/~jhammink/webapi_test_pages/IndexeddbAPIdemo.html
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1836. # [19:43] <kennyluck> that sounds like their problem.
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1860. # [19:53] <jlebar|mac> What list do I send feedback re http://www.w3.org/Submission/web-tracking-protection to?
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1865. # [19:55] <mbrubeck> jlebar maybe public-privacy@w3.org
1866. # [19:55] <mbrubeck> based on http://www.w3.org/Submission/2011/01/Comment/
1867. # [19:55] <jlebar|mac> mbrubeck: thanks!
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1909. # [20:14] <bz> taras: ping
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1912. # [20:15] <taras> bz: pong
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1914. # [20:15] <bz> taras: I've seen you mention throttling backgrounds tabs several times in bugs recently
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1916. # [20:15] <bz> taras: what exactly are you thinking about there?
1917. # [20:15] <bz> taras: (that we don't already do)
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1919. # [20:16] <taras> bz: i'm not clear what we do at the moment
1920. # [20:16] <bz> taras: ok, let me describe what we do now
1921. # [20:16] <taras> bz: my ideal to not send events to background tabs in the middle of user interactions
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1923. # [20:16] <taras> would be ^
1924. # [20:16] <bz> taras: 1) setTimeout and setInterval are clamped to run no more than once a second
1925. # [20:16] <jhk> how to run content tests?
1926. # [20:16] <Ms2ger> make mochitest-plain
1927. # [20:17] <bz> taras: More precisely, the argument to the call is just max()ed with 1000ms
1928. # [20:17] <bz> taras: so if you have a lot of interval timers they could still be running often, of course
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1930. # [20:17] <jhk> ms2ger: thanks!
1931. # [20:17] <Ms2ger> Np
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1933. # [20:17] <bz> taras: 2) The refresh driver is clamped to no faster than 1Hz, with a doubling of the clamp on every tick
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1936. # [20:18] <bz> taras: so everything that normally runs off the refresh driver (reflow, restyling, SMIL, css transitions and animations, etc) is clamped to that period
1937. # [20:18] <taras> i love that work
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1939. # [20:18] <taras> bz: anything else?
1940. # [20:18] <bz> taras: invalidation is not clamped yet, but it's about to be, and in any case I bet it gets optimized away in background tabs
1941. # [20:19] <bz> taras: those are the current throttles we have
1942. # [20:19] <bz> taras: we should figure out whether we want to throttle that set of things differently or whether there are other things we would also like to throttle or both
1943. # [20:19] <taras> right
1944. # [20:19] <taras> that's what i was referring to
1945. # [20:19] <taras> the both part
1946. # [20:19] <taras> also controlling how we throttle
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1948. # [20:20] <bz> taras: ok
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1951. # [20:21] <taras> bz: so for example, i'd like to have an interactive flag
1952. # [20:21] <taras> during which we suspend all of the settimeouts
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1954. # [20:21] <taras> and etc
1955. # [20:21] <taras> for background tabs
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1957. # [20:21] <taras> also we need per tab cost accounting
1958. # [20:21] <bz> taras: hmmm
1959. # [20:21] <taras> so we can penalize bad tabs
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1961. # [20:22] <bz> taras: ok
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1963. # [20:22] <bz> taras: this should all be doable
1964. # [20:22] <bz> taras: though we don't have a good way to suspend timers, of course...
1965. # [20:22] <taras> yeah timers are hard
1966. # [20:22] <taras> but this might also be useful for reducing power consumption
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1968. # [20:23] <taras> bz: would you mind coming along to a snappy meeting on thursday?
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1971. # [20:24] <taras> if that's a bad time, we can discuss stuff elsewhere and i'll summarize in meeting
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1973. # [20:25] <taras> bz: also i'm really not sure on how to do cost accounting, seems like we should use perf counters or something
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1975. # [20:25] <taras> calling PR_Now() all the time seems like a silly way to do that
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1978. # [20:27] <bz> taras: As in tomorrow?
1979. # [20:27] <taras> yes
1980. # [20:27] <bz> taras: There's a good chance I'm taking off tomorrow to spend with my kids
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1982. # [20:27] <bz> taras: if not, I can probably come. When's the meeting?
1983. # [20:27] <taras> 11pst
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1985. # [20:28] <espindola> !seen geekboy
1986. # [20:28] <firebot> geekboy was last seen 19 weeks, 19 hours, 16 minutes and 23 seconds ago, changing nick to geekboy|afk.
1987. # [20:28] <taras> lol
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1995. # [20:32] <catlee> does anybody know why mobile tests are failing on aurora and beta?
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1998. # [20:33] <Ms2ger> Because that's their ground state?
1999. # [20:35] <taras> bz: in case you didn't notice: meeting is at 11pst
2000. # [20:35] <bz> taras: yeah, I saw
2001. # [20:35] <bz> taras: so 2pm my time
2002. # [20:35] <bz> taras: send me the call-in info? I can probably make it even if I take tomorrow off
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2010. # [20:36] <Cww> anyone want to help me understand an about:memory ?
2011. # [20:37] <taras> Cww: probably
2012. # [20:37] <Ms2ger> Can people make sure to not break threading on the XP LTS thread in planning?
2013. # [20:37] <Ms2ger> I'm trying to ignore it
2014. # [20:37] <Cww> taras: https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/899045 last two posts.
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2016. # [20:38] <bsmedberg> Ms2ger: doesn't that depend on whether people use the mailing list or the newsgroup?
2017. # [20:38] <Ms2ger> Obviously, people should use the newsgroup, it worked fine when I went into kindergarten
2018. # [20:38] <taras> Cww: that looks weird
2019. # [20:39] <taras> Cww: is d2d on?
2020. # [20:39] <taras> jlebar: ^
2021. # [20:39] <Ms2ger> And ignoring pirated copies of windows? Come on
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2023. # [20:39] <Cww> taras: don't know, I'm not sure how to follow up with these users.
2024. # [20:39] <taras> not sure what the common causes of unclassifier mem are these days
2025. # [20:39] * jhammel is now known as jhammel|lunch
2026. # [20:39] <bz> Cww: so that first one is saying something like 400MB of heap, right?
2027. # [20:39] <bz> Cww: well, 321MB
2028. # [20:40] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, your last post to the Snappy thread in platform seems truncated
2029. # [20:40] <taras> Cww: i'd ask him to paste graphics section from about:support
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2032. # [20:40] <taras> Cww: nm, 0.6gb of JS
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2034. # [20:41] <bz> Cww: of which 81MB looks like heap fragmentation, 80MB is the system compartment, and lots of zombie compartments if they really only have two paves open. I wonder why there are no compartment URIs there....
2035. # [20:41] <Cww> bz: more than that, right?
2036. # [20:41] <jlebar|mac> ouch, 406mb of heap-unclassified.
2037. # [20:41] <bz> Cww: 321.93 MB (100.0%) -- explicit
2038. # [20:41] <bsmedberg> Ms2ger: that one? http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.platform/msg/5b5b658c5926706d
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2040. # [20:41] <Cww> bz: I bet some of it is censored because of URLs.
2041. # [20:41] <jlebar|mac> Cww: In the last comment, this guy has 120+ compartments.
2042. # [20:41] <bz> Cww: well, right
2043. # [20:41] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, yes
2044. # [20:41] <jlebar|mac> So that's on the order of 120 tabs. Maybe 50 tabs or so.
2045. # [20:41] <bz> Cww: but in any case, he has zombie compartments or is lying about only two tabs
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2047. # [20:41] <Cww> jlebar|mac: no a lot of them stick for ages past tab close.
2048. # [20:42] <Cww> jlebar|mac: at least from my experience.
2049. # [20:42] <sicking> Ms2ger: thanks for re-marking the indexeddb bug as landed. My blood pressure went up to unhealthy levels before i saw your comment :)
2050. # [20:42] <bsmedberg> Ms2ger: I'm confused, what seems truncated?
2051. # [20:42] <bz> Cww: any time that happens it's a bug
2052. # [20:42] <jlebar|mac> Cww: Those are called "zombie compartments".
2053. # [20:42] <jlebar|mac> Cww: Likely bugs in your extensions.
2054. # [20:42] <bz> Cww: And it means that chances are they have a buggy extension
2055. # [20:42] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, my thunderbird only sees "We need infrastructure to measure lag in response to user input. I "
2056. # [20:42] <bz> Cww: a good followup is to ask what extensions they have installed and see if those are known-leaky
2057. # [20:42] * bsmedberg blames tbird
2058. # [20:42] <Ms2ger> wfm
2059. # [20:42] <Cww> ok, I'll ask about that. Those are easy things to ask for.
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2061. # [20:43] <Cww> bz: do we have a list of known-leaky?
2062. # [20:43] <jlebar|mac> Cww: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=700547
2063. # [20:43] <jlebar|mac> Cww: But chances are, there's a lot more that's not known.
2064. # [20:43] <Ms2ger> sicking, seems like he did a whole series of bugs, and then had to go back reverting his changes :)
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2067. # [20:45] <jlebar|mac> Cww: Also, http://jlebar.com/2011/11/13/The_carrot%2C_the_stick%2C_and_the_wrench%3A_Add-on_leaks_are_everyone%27s_problem..html
2068. # [20:45] <Cww> jlebar|mac: bz: taras: thanks! Is this the kind of thing that's useful for memshrink? I can work on having our volunteers ask EVERYONE complaining about memory for about:memory dumps.
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2072. # [20:45] <jlebar|mac> Cww: In general, we ask for about:memory?verbose, version+os, and the list of extensions.
2073. # [20:46] <Cww> ok. I'll start asking and pass that info to (whom?)
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2075. # [20:47] <jlebar|mac> Cww: If you file bugs with [MemShrink], all the memshrink peeps will see them at our weekly meetings.
2076. # [20:47] * mattwoodrow|away is now known as mattwoodrow
2077. # [20:47] <jlebar|mac> You can also cc me, mccr8, njn, and khuey...
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2079. # [20:47] <jlebar|mac> Cww: If you don't think it's worth a bug, then I guess you can ping on IRC like you just did. :)
2080. # [20:48] * Ms2ger bitrots himself some more
2081. # [20:48] <sicking> Ms2ger: he missed at least one (694138) so probably others too
2082. # [20:49] <jlebar|mac> <-- food
2083. # [20:49] <Ms2ger> \o/
2084. # [20:49] <sicking> Ms2ger: oh, no, he did revert that
2085. # [20:49] <sicking> we're good
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2088. # [20:51] * khuey can feel his sanity slowly slipping away
2089. # [20:52] <cpeterson> hg push question: I'm trying to push to https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/ (for the first time). I get an error saying "remote: ssl required", even though I am using https. Is this an ssh problem?
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2091. # [20:53] <hub> cpeterson: you should be using ssh
2092. # [20:53] <rs> cpeterson: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mercurial_FAQ
2093. # [20:53] <cpeterson> thanks!
2094. # [20:53] <rs> there is some info on that page
2095. # [20:53] <Ms2ger> khuey, which sanity?
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2097. # [20:54] <Cww> jlebar|mac: who leads memshrink and when/where do you meet?
2098. # [20:54] <taras> dolske: ping
2099. # [20:54] <khuey> Ms2ger: idk, it's already gone
2100. # [20:55] <khuey> jlebar|mac: njn, 2pm on tuesdays
2101. # [20:55] <khuey> er
2102. # [20:55] <khuey> Cww: ^
2103. # [20:55] <jlebar|mac> Cww: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance/MemShrink Tuesdays in PB&J
2104. # [20:55] <khuey> jlebar|mac: are you at lunch?
2105. # [20:55] <Cww> khuey: thanks. :) (you too, jlebar|mac)
2106. # [20:55] <jlebar|mac> khuey: yeah, but I didn't turn off my sound.
2107. # [20:55] <khuey> jlebar|mac: ping me when you're back
2108. # [20:55] <jbuck> firebot: uuid
2109. # [20:55] <firebot> 47c91d03-2ea9-4b94-9302-9ac68aa81bff (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
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2112. # [20:58] <hub> what's the proper component for the view cert dialog in firefox?
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2116. # [20:59] <khuey> hub: Core::PSM
2117. # [20:59] <hub> ok. thanks
2118. # [20:59] <khuey> hub: that's Core::Security: UI
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2120. # [21:00] <khuey> psm has multiple components
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2122. # [21:00] <hub> ok
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2127. # [21:03] <NeilAway> ehsan: do I need sr on 669026?
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2130. # [21:03] <bz> how do I do --debugger=gdb when using make crashtest?
2131. # [21:05] <Ms2ger> EXTRA_TEST_ARGS?
2132. # [21:05] <bz> aha
2133. # [21:05] <bz> thanks
2134. # [21:05] <Ms2ger> (Not sure if that's it)
2135. # [21:05] <bz> uh
2136. # [21:05] <bz> except the effing test harness clobbers XPCOM_DEBUG_BREAK
2137. # [21:05] * bz wonders how to fix that
2138. # [21:06] <Ms2ger> jmaher, ^
2139. # [21:06] <ehsan> NeilAway: I wouldn't think so
2140. # [21:06] <jmaher> I think you are right Ms2ger, let me check
2141. # [21:06] <Ms2ger> jmaher, no, the clobbering :)
2142. # [21:07] <Waldo> what version of OS X ships with a default compiler that's llvm/clang-based, not gcc-based? is there one yet?
2143. # [21:07] <derf> OS X ships with a compiler?
2144. # [21:07] <bz> aha
2145. # [21:07] <bz> some set env love in gdb worksish
2146. # [21:08] <taras> bz: i wanna file a bug on doing adaptive event throttling as we were discussing above is that Core/DOM or Core/General?
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2148. # [21:08] <jmaher> Ms2ger: doh
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2150. # [21:08] <jmaher> bz: oh the harness fiddles with that env var?
2151. # [21:09] <jdm> jmaher: yeah
2152. # [21:09] <jmaher> bz: can you file a bug on the test harness to be nicer to the env var
2153. # [21:09] <jdm> it's sad-making
2154. # [21:09] <bz> taras: general, for now
2155. # [21:10] <bz> jmaher: when I'm done debugging this, maybe....
2156. # [21:10] <bz> jmaher: in the middle of too many things at once. :
2157. # [21:10] <bz> er, :(
2158. # [21:10] <jmaher> we all are :(
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2164. # [21:14] <Waldo> derf: seriously, do you actually know, or not?
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2168. # [21:14] <derf> Waldo: XCode 4.1 removed the gcc backend.
2169. # [21:15] <derf> I don't think that actually corresponds to any version of OS X, but I'm not actually much of a Mac person.
2170. # [21:15] <derf> I only really deal with them when clang breaks my code (which is too often).
2171. # [21:15] <jbuck> XCode 4.x only runs on 10.7 I think
2172. # [21:16] <derf> jbuck: No, I've got 4.0 running on 10.6.
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2174. # [21:16] <jbuck> hm, was it 4.1 and 4.2 that dropped compatibility with Snow Leopard then? or maybe they're paid devs only... I know you can't get XCode 4.2 in the Mac App Store for Snow Leopard at any rate
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2176. # [21:17] * Waldo is mostly interested in necessarily-vague guesses about when we'll be able to stop worrying about gcc 4.2
2177. # [21:17] <Waldo> and OS X is the limiting reagent here
2178. # [21:18] <jbuck> Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.10.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
2179. # [21:18] <jbuck> Target: x86_64-apple-darwin11.2.0
2180. # [21:18] <jbuck> Thread model: posix
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2183. # [21:18] <taras> bz: filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712731 based on our conversation
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2194. # [21:25] <marcia> robcee: ping
2195. # [21:25] <whimboo> smaug: ping
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2197. # [21:25] <bz> taras: thanks
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2210. # [21:36] <jimm> anyone know who to cc in on a bug which requires the creation of release quality icons?
2211. # [21:37] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: When all the compile warnings are fixed. :-p
2212. # [21:37] <jlebar|mac> khuey: back
2213. # [21:37] <Waldo> :-P
2214. # [21:37] <Ms2ger> jimm, limi?
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2217. # [21:38] <jimm> Ms2ger: ah, yeah, good idea.
2218. # [21:38] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: in all seriousness, I'm concerned that, once we have warnings-as-errors, the large number of clang warnings will keep us from switching.
2219. # [21:38] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: And I think clang >> -Werror.
2220. # [21:38] <Ms2ger> I'm not sure that's true
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2222. # [21:38] <Callek> jlebar|mac: ...disable warning-as-error for clang
2223. # [21:38] <Callek> success
2224. # [21:38] <Callek> :-P
2225. # [21:39] <Waldo> yeah, I figure the disable flag will be an adequate way to answer that, in the short run
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2227. # [21:39] <jlebar|mac> Callek: Well no. If the rule is that tier-1 platforms are compiled on tinderbox with -Werror, we'd get pushback on that.
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2229. # [21:40] <Callek> jlebar|mac: well if we're iterating on our clang version as fast as we have been lately, and clang is constantly adding new warnings, -Werror is not really as useful for clang just yet, and neither is not switching :-P
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2231. # [21:40] <jlebar|mac> IMO, the fact that compilers are constantly adding and tweaking warnings is a great reason not to have -Werror.
2232. # [21:40] <jlebar|mac> This is the static analysis argument all over again.
2233. # [21:41] <jlebar|mac> Why don't we insist that X static analysis tool have 0 warnings on our code?
2234. # [21:41] <Waldo> well, that's because we don't run the static analysis tools often enough to do it
2235. # [21:41] <Waldo> we don't have that problem with compilers
2236. # [21:41] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: But we certainly could run a static analysis tool every night.
2237. # [21:41] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: I bet we could even find one lightweight enough to run more often.
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2239. # [21:42] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: But the point is, you'd want a *good* SA tool.
2240. # [21:42] <Waldo> we've done that before
2241. # [21:42] <Waldo> and stopped doing that before
2242. # [21:42] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: But then, we know that the compilers are seriously crummy SA tools.
2243. # [21:42] <Ms2ger> Sounds like valgrind
2244. # [21:42] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: exactly, we stopped. :)
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2246. # [21:42] <Ms2ger> Are we still running and burning that every night?
2247. # [21:42] * jlebar|mac would be *much* more interested in valgrind-builds-on-every-cset than in -werror.
2248. # [21:42] <Waldo> no
2249. # [21:42] <Waldo> it hasn't run in a long time
2250. # [21:43] <Ms2ger> It came back for a while, and nobody cared, iirc
2251. # [21:43] <Ms2ger> Anyway, warnings fix real bugs
2252. # [21:43] <Ms2ger> Pie-in-the-sky SA/valgrind doesn't
2253. # [21:43] <derf> Huh?
2254. # [21:43] <jlebar|mac> Ms2ger: That's the wrong argument.
2255. # [21:44] <mccr8> Waldo: as of 12-02 they are being run once a day. see bug 631811.
2256. # [21:44] <derf> I've seen people _cause_ bugs by trying to paper over warnings, because the goal was to have no warnings, not to have correct code.
2257. # [21:44] <mccr8> (valgrind is)
2258. # [21:44] <Waldo> interesting
2259. # [21:44] <derf> But I've never seen anyone do that with valgrind reports.
2260. # [21:45] <Ms2ger> derf, you know, code review
2261. # [21:45] <Waldo> there's also what's not seen: warnings preventing bad code from being checked in
2262. # [21:45] <Waldo> which happens all the time
2263. # [21:45] <Waldo> and the current flood of warnings substantially impedes that in most code
2264. # [21:45] <Ms2ger> jlebar|mac, helpful comments are appreciated, btw
2265. # [21:45] * Waldo is convinced bastiaat was a genius
2266. # [21:46] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: But there are lots of ways that aren't -Werror to achieve "tell me if I get an important warning on htis new code."
2267. # [21:46] <jlebar|mac> Ms2ger: Any analysis, static or dynamic, is going to fix bugs.
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2269. # [21:46] <Waldo> jlebar|mac: none that people will consistently use
2270. # [21:46] <jlebar|mac> Ms2ger: valgrind, coverity, -werror.
2271. # [21:46] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: We could burn the tree if you add any new warnings.
2272. # [21:47] <jlebar|mac> Ms2ger: The question is always one of tradeoffs. How much do you have to pay for each bugfix.
2273. # [21:47] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: We could also choose just a few warnings to enable.
2274. # [21:47] <Waldo> jlebar|mac: and that's bad how? :-)
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2276. # [21:47] <Waldo> people will write better code
2277. # [21:47] <Ms2ger> jlebar|mac, -werror barely makes bugfixes more expensive
2278. # [21:47] <Waldo> people already burn the tree anyway
2279. # [21:47] <Waldo> warnings aren't a huge differentiator there
2280. # [21:47] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: sorry, I don't understand.
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2282. # [21:48] <Ms2ger> If gcc can't figure out a variable is initialized, maybe you should think about other developers, and the time they need to spend on figuring out your code
2283. # [21:48] <jlebar|mac> Ms2ger: But going through all of gecko and fixing all the warnings *is* expensive!
2284. # [21:48] <Waldo> no silver bullet
2285. # [21:48] <Ms2ger> jlebar|mac, I've done it
2286. # [21:48] <Waldo> except for sticking our collective head in the sand
2287. # [21:48] <Ms2ger> jlebar|mac, but my patches are refused
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2289. # [21:48] <jlebar|mac> Ms2ger: Why?
2290. # [21:49] <jlebar|mac> Ms2ger: Because people have better things to do than convince themselves that the code is right?
2291. # [21:49] <Ms2ger> Because people actively don't want to fix warnings
2292. # [21:49] <jlebar|mac> Those are the same thing.
2293. # [21:49] <whimboo> smaug: hey, regarding bug 711794. i think i will work on mozilla-aurora and besect between the https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/4c79fc728cc3 tags
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2295. # [21:49] <hub> maybe there should be a rule: if you commit a change to a file, it should have warnings anymore
2296. # [21:49] <jlebar|mac> Ms2ger: The fact that nobody wants to review your patches is exactly what I'm talking about. If there were no cost, then nobody would mind reviewing them.
2297. # [21:50] <whimboo> smaug: or has anyone else already started?
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2302. # [21:51] <jlebar|mac> Ms2ger: You've already done the hard (and thankless) work of looking through each warning and deciding whether it's a real bug.
2303. # [21:52] <jlebar|mac> Ms2ger: This is why I think "no *new* warnings" is more sustainable.
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2305. # [21:53] <smaug> whimboo: don't know if smichaud has started to do something
2306. # [21:53] <whimboo> smaug: k, will ask him
2307. # [21:53] <Ms2ger> jlebar|mac, if there is a way to enforce that, sure
2308. # [21:53] <smaug> whimboo: note, I'm pretty sure that nothing interesting comes up, but this is just to make sure there isn't anything new and bad
2309. # [21:53] <Ms2ger> But -werror is the closest to that
2310. # [21:53] <smaug> which we don't know about
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2313. # [21:54] * Waldo thinks the real problem is that institutionally we don't place a high value on clean code, and this argument is just a microcosm of that
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2315. # [21:54] <jlebar|mac> Ms2ger: AIUI at some time long ago, we had a script which parsed the logs and looked for new warnings.
2316. # [21:54] <froydnj> if I have a C++ XPCOM method that receives a javascript callback, and I want to invoke the callback at some later point (after my XPCOM method returns), what's the right way to do that? (specifically, getting a JSContext for invoking the callback)
2317. # [21:54] <whimboo> smaug: lets see
2318. # [21:54] <Ms2ger> jlebar|mac, I think mcote linked to a recent page that did that a few days ago
2319. # [21:54] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: s/clean code/cleaning code/, maybe?
2320. # [21:55] <Waldo> jlebar|mac: given what some of our code is like, there's often an isomorphism
2321. # [21:55] <Waldo> not always, but often
2322. # [21:56] <bsmedberg> josh: woohoo, I can reproduce!
2323. # [21:56] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: that's fair. But having worked on some really messy parts of our code, I'll say that sometimes, cleaning code is really scary.
2324. # [21:56] <bsmedberg> the testcase still involves all of jQuery and jQuery-jplayer
2325. # [21:56] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, congratulations
2326. # [21:56] <Ms2ger> Oh, other reproduce
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2328. # [21:56] <edmorley> !seen scoobidiver
2329. # [21:56] <Ms2ger> froydnj, implicit_jscontext
2330. # [21:56] <firebot> I've never seen a 'scoobidiver', sorry.
2331. # [21:56] <Waldo> jlebar|mac: true
2332. # [21:56] <bsmedberg> Ms2ger: hah, I'm pretty sure everyone knew I could *that* reproduce! ;-)
2333. # [21:56] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: For example, not only do we have laughable coverage of docshell, but writing those tests would be really, really hard.
2334. # [21:57] <bsmedberg> Ms2ger: this bug-reproduce has basically taken 3 weeks
2335. # [21:57] <Ms2ger> Ugh
2336. # [21:57] <froydnj> Ms2ger: well, sure. but can the JSContext I receive be used later, too?
2337. # [21:57] <Ms2ger> froydnj, may I point you to #jsapi for that? :)
2338. # [21:57] <froydnj> Ms2ger: cop-out ;) but sure :)
2339. # [21:58] <Waldo> jlebar|mac: like many such cleanups, it'll have to happen sometime; putting it off doesn't solve anything
2340. # [21:58] * edmorley wishes people wouldn't change target milestones in multiple bugs if they've gotten confused over when the uplift cutoff was
2341. # [21:58] <Ms2ger> froydnj, well, I could just say "yes" and act like I don't remember when you end up causing an sg:crit ;)
2342. # [21:58] <Waldo> jlebar|mac: that said, I don't want to get in a docshell argument now :-)
2343. # [21:58] <Ms2ger> edmorley, any he didn't revert?
2344. # [21:58] <Waldo> just saying we need less fear, more gumption
2345. # [21:58] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: I wish we could rewrite gecko every year like we do with the JS engine. :)
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2347. # [21:59] <Callek> jlebar++
2348. # [21:59] <edmorley> Ms2ger: bug 712536 (post marking this merge, I'll check for more)
2349. # [21:59] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: But I expect to be fixing docshell regressions from my few patches for the rest of my life.
2350. # [21:59] <jlebar|mac> And regressions from the regression fixes.
2351. # [21:59] <Ms2ger> As for docshell, I've got it building with -Werror without patches
2352. # [22:00] <Waldo> how much of that is from its current architecture?
2353. # [22:00] <Waldo> (speaking generously)
2354. # [22:00] <Ms2ger> So I suggest ignoring that point :)
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2356. # [22:01] <jlebar|mac> Waldo: Most of the pain is from the idiotic way it's designed.
2357. # [22:01] <Ms2ger> Overengineered twice over?
2358. # [22:01] <jlebar|mac> A combination of overengineering and poor engineering.
2359. # [22:02] <jlebar|mac> Bad times...
2360. # [22:02] <Ms2ger> Sounds like Netscape to me
2361. # [22:02] <jlebar|mac> Levels of indirection in the wrong places...
2362. # [22:02] <jlebar|mac> Yeah.
2363. # [22:02] <bsmedberg> what do I need to debug (my own) .swf files?
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2366. # [22:02] <Callek> flash
2367. # [22:02] <Ms2ger> Callek++
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2369. # [22:02] <Callek> for starters
2370. # [22:03] <Ms2ger> Cap'n Obvious for the rescue
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2372. # [22:03] <Callek> Ms2ger: do I get a cape?
2373. # [22:03] <Callek> or am I the Cap'n with a peg-leg
2374. # [22:03] <jhammel> obviously
2375. # [22:03] <Ms2ger> Callek, you get a pony
2376. # [22:03] <jhammel> Callek: why not both?
2377. # [22:03] <Ms2ger> Please see ted
2378. # [22:03] <NeilAway> froydnj: why not get xpconnect to do the heavy lifting for you?
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2381. # [22:04] <froydnj> NeilAway: how so?
2382. # [22:04] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, scary thought
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2385. # [22:04] <wg9s> So listening to this should help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNf9rEPoc8Q
2386. # [22:05] <whimboo> smaug: could you give me two changesets I can use to start with bisecting?
2387. # [22:05] <mcsmurf> bsmedberg: I think there's a Flash player debugger version, but that's all I know :|
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2389. # [22:05] <mcsmurf> you probably need that one plus another tool
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2391. # [22:07] <Callek> wg9s++
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2395. # [22:07] <NeilAway> froydnj: well, let's say you're the observer service. You're a C++ XPCOM method called AddObserver and your interface is defined as taking an nsIObserver, a string and a boolean. From JavaScript, you can pass either a function or an object with a method named observe, and xpconnect will do all the magic to let you call it as if it was a C++ nsIObserver instance
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2397. # [22:08] <ioni> hi guys
2398. # [22:08] <edmorley> hi :-)
2399. # [22:08] <ioni> in our distribution we pack languages packs in separate packages but since firefox 8 the new feature doesn't permit 3rd party extensions
2400. # [22:08] <ioni> this happens http://ompldr.org/vYnVscA
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2402. # [22:08] <smaug> whimboo: hmm...
2403. # [22:09] <ioni> is there a way to allow automatically the languages?
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2405. # [22:09] <smaug> whimboo: just look for the time when FF8 aurora was created
2406. # [22:09] <edmorley> Mossop: ^
2407. # [22:09] <whimboo> smaug: i could use the changeset when bug 335998 has been landed and take the latest one for 9b6
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2409. # [22:09] <smaug> whimboo: no need to start from bug 335998
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2411. # [22:10] <smaug> whimboo: FF8 aurora time should be enough
2412. # [22:10] <whimboo> smaug: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/tags … the beta_base tags for 8 and 9?
2413. # [22:10] <smaug> since the patch was backed out from FF8 at that time
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2415. # [22:10] <smaug> whimboo: use mozilla-central
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2417. # [22:10] <jlebar|mac> khuey: pong?
2418. # [22:10] <smaug> and look for the times of the auroras, or something like that
2419. # [22:11] <whimboo> smaug: then AURORA_BASE
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2421. # [22:11] <whimboo> sounds fine
2422. # [22:11] <whimboo> thanks
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2424. # [22:13] <khuey> jlebar|mac: I figured it out
2425. # [22:13] <khuey> jlebar|mac: but thansk
2426. # [22:13] <jlebar|mac> welcoem
2427. # [22:13] <froydnj> NeilAway: hm, that's a good idea
2428. # [22:13] <khuey> :-P
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2440. # [22:18] <edmorley> ioni: your best bet is to ask Mossop
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2450. # [22:22] <qheaden> Hey everyone! Congrats on the FF 9 release. :)
2451. # [22:22] <ioni> edmorley, ok, i'll wait for him
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2454. # [22:25] <NeilAway> what's the trychooser syntax for defaults?
2455. # [22:26] <whimboo> smaug: bit confused so I have to patch m-c with the patch on bug 708572?
2456. # [22:26] <edmorley> try: -b do -p all -u all -t none
2457. # [22:26] <Ms2ger> try: -a
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2461. # [22:26] <edmorley> NeilAway: what do you mean by defaults?
2462. # [22:26] <NeilAway> edmorley: same as what I get on m-i or m-c
2463. # [22:27] <smaug> whimboo: yes
2464. # [22:27] <lsblakk> try -a doesn't get you the m-c defaults
2465. # [22:27] <edmorley> Ms2ger: I thought -a was disabled?
2466. # [22:27] <lsblakk> it gets you the try defaults (ie: no talos)
2467. # [22:27] <edmorley> it's try: -b do -p all -u all -t all
2468. # [22:27] <NeilAway> Ms2ger--
2469. # [22:27] <lsblakk> because it is interpreted as bad syntax
2470. # [22:27] <smaug> whimboo: the part in the bodyelement and frameelement may not apply cleanly
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2473. # [22:27] <whimboo> smaug: k looks like some extra steps then
2474. # [22:27] <smaug> whimboo: since m-c didn't have those codes
2475. # [22:28] <smaug> whimboo: you can just remove those hunks from the patch
2476. # [22:28] <jwir3> so, I'm writing a unit test that uses the ahem font, and on some platforms, like OSX, there is what appears to be some interpolation between characters (like a kind of antialiasing). I think there is a way to turn this off, but I can't remember the trick. Can someone tell me how to get it to be consistent with fonts on all platforms?
2477. # [22:28] <edmorley> NeilAway: though I always throw in the "-n" whatever I'm using as well, since I don't like the emails
2478. # [22:28] <Ms2ger> lsblakk, surely you guys have been enforcing try: comments for ages now
2479. # [22:28] <whimboo> smaug: means they do not change the behavior we are testing here?
2480. # [22:28] <NeilAway> edmorley: ooh good point
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2482. # [22:28] <lsblakk> Ms2ger: we enforce the use of try: in your push - yes, try -a has been 'officially' unsupported for a while
2483. # [22:29] <smaug> whimboo: well, if there isn't that code in m-c at that time...
2484. # [22:29] <smaug> whimboo: I hope this doesn't get too difficult
2485. # [22:29] <Ms2ger> lsblakk, well, it was what the trychooser extension used last time I checked
2486. # [22:29] <smaug> whimboo: also, you may need to use patch --fuzz=<some quite large number, like 7> -p1 to apply the patch
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2489. # [22:29] <lsblakk> Ms2ger: ah, the extension takes your "run everything" request and turns it into proper syntax
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2491. # [22:30] <lsblakk> as seen here: https://github.com/pbiggar/trychooser/blob/master/trychooser#L29
2492. # [22:30] <whimboo> smaug: i get way more http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1415035
2493. # [22:30] <NeilAway> edmorley: hmm, turns out I had a previous try push in my bash history, so copying that works ;-)
2494. # [22:30] <whimboo> smaug: lets try with fuzz
2495. # [22:31] <Ms2ger> lsblakk, as long as it works, I'm not sure why I wouldn't use it
2496. # [22:31] <edmorley> NeilAway: I save a few mqs with the options I use the most, beats having to remember them :-)
2497. # [22:31] <smaug> what is the right abort to use to get runtime abort ...
2498. # [22:31] <edmorley> dolske++
2499. # [22:31] <edmorley> "...is full of all kinds of useless crud. "
2500. # [22:32] * jhopkins|mtg is now known as jhopkins
2501. # [22:32] <Ms2ger> smaug, NS_RUNTIMEABORT?
2502. # [22:32] <lsblakk> Ms2ger: "it works" is not that 'try: -a' works
2503. # [22:32] <lsblakk> there's a subtle difference here, in that if you commit to try and want talos, you have to ask for it
2504. # [22:33] <smaug> whimboo: the patch to backout the patch from FF8 can be useful too
2505. # [22:33] <Ms2ger> lsblakk, I push to try, my push isn't refused by any hook, and I get results
2506. # [22:33] <smaug> whimboo: see the links in the original strong parent node bug
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2508. # [22:33] <Ms2ger> lsblakk, that's what I call "it works"
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2510. # [22:33] <Ms2ger> lsblakk, and as long as that doesn't change, I'll happily use ted's extension
2511. # [22:33] <whimboo> smaug: you mean bug 674276?
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2514. # [22:34] <whimboo> smaug: it would be very helpful for me if I could get a patch I could apply
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2516. # [22:35] <whimboo> smaug: i don't understand any of the code and whatever —fuzz I use, there are too many failing hunks
2517. # [22:35] <whimboo> also nsGenericDOMDataNode
2518. # [22:35] <smaug> whimboo: the patch for bug 674276 should apply cleanly to m-c if you use m-c from the time of FF8 uplift
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2520. # [22:36] <whimboo> smaug: lets see
2521. # [22:38] <Unfocused> Ms2ger: yes really. reading old qdb quotes? :)
2522. # [22:38] <Ms2ger> Unfocused, always :)
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2524. # [22:38] <whimboo> smaug: not really. nsGenericElement.cpp still fails
2525. # [22:38] <smaug> hmm
2526. # [22:39] <smaug> how is that possible...
2527. # [22:39] <whimboo> smaug: hunk 4
2528. # [22:39] <whimboo> it with the latest AURORA_BASE for fx9
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2530. # [22:40] <smaug> latest?
2531. # [22:40] <whimboo> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/tags
2532. # [22:40] <whimboo> from yesterday
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2535. # [22:40] <smaug> whimboo: use mozilla central from 2011-08-19 or so
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2537. # [22:41] <smaug> probably AURORA_BASE_20110816
2538. # [22:41] <whimboo> smaug: ouch. damn
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2540. # [22:41] <whimboo> totally missed that :(
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2542. # [22:43] <qheaden> Ok, I'm really confused. Why isn't document.getAnonymousElementbyAttribute(textbox, "anonid", "input-box-contextmenu"); not returning the context menu of a XUL textbox?
2543. # [22:43] <qheaden> THe anonymous element is there: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/widgets/textbox.xml#508
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2554. # [22:48] <josh> bsmedberg: reproduce what?
2555. # [22:49] <josh> I thought it was easy to make Pandora not load on Windows with my patch.
2556. # [22:49] <whimboo> smaug: between that tag and http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c0983049bcaa it will start to fail. so not sure I can span the whole timeframe with that patch
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2558. # [22:50] <smaug> whimboo: you mean you get crash, or applying the patch starts to fail?
2559. # [22:51] <whimboo> smaug: applying the patch fails with the 20110927
2560. # [22:51] <Mossop> qheaden: That binding (input-box-spell) is attached to an anonymous hbox inside the textbox binding, you'll have to get that anonymous element then call getAnonymousElementByAttribute on it
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2562. # [22:52] <bsmith> How do I mark a pointer as pointing to something that is supposed to leak?
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2565. # [22:53] <smaug> whimboo: in what places does it fail?
2566. # [22:53] * terrence|away is now known as terrence
2567. # [22:53] <bsmedberg> josh: I have a more minimal testcase without all the script
2568. # [22:54] <whimboo> smaug: siilar to before: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1415047
2569. # [22:54] <bsmedberg> josh: and source for the .swf and unminified everything else
2570. # [22:54] <smaug> whimboo: too bad...
2571. # [22:54] * zpao|detached is now known as zpao
2572. # [22:54] <qheaden> Mossop: Wow. That completely evaded my sight. Thanks.
2573. # [22:54] <smaug> whimboo: well, could you at least test the builds earlier than that?
2574. # [22:55] <whimboo> smaug: i could try to find out a changeset which I could use to apply this patch
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2576. # [22:56] <qheaden> Mossop: Does it get its hbox from another parent XUL definition?
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2578. # [22:57] <josh> bsmedberg: Just saw your email, excellent! Thanks!
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2580. # [22:57] <Mossop> qheaden: Depends on the textbox in question, but here f.e. http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/widgets/textbox.xml#22
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2582. # [22:58] <qheaden> Mossop: Ahh ok. That's why I kinda hate XML, although it is useful. :)
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2584. # [22:58] <qheaden> Mossop: So the binding id is the name you put between the < > in the XUL layout file?
2585. # [22:59] <Mossop> No, the binding ID is what goes into the CSS that binds the binding to an element
2586. # [22:59] <qheaden> Gotcha.
2587. # [22:59] * bz discovers more stuff he should land
2588. # [23:00] <Ms2ger> Heh
2589. # [23:00] <Ms2ger> bz, mine? ^.^
2590. # [23:00] <bz> Ms2ger: no, mine so far
2591. # [23:01] <bz> Ms2ger: but I'm taking ridealongs off the checkin-needed list
2592. # [23:01] <Ms2ger> I guess I get to rebase nsScriptError again tomorrow :)
2593. # [23:01] <smaug> bz missed all the fun yesterday
2594. # [23:01] <Ms2ger> smaug, I do seem to remember a principals bug that landed thrice...
2595. # [23:03] <bz> smaug: fun?
2596. # [23:03] <bz> Ms2ger: none of your stuff is on my list...
2597. # [23:03] * wg9s wonders when we started doing King James speak?
2598. # [23:03] <Ms2ger> bz, well, I guess you could have read my mind to figure out which of my patches were ready ;)
2599. # [23:03] <bz> Ms2ger: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=Cedar%20candidates&sharer_id=342786&list_id=1931640
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2601. # [23:04] <bz> Ms2ger: as I always tell bug reporters, my mind-reading skills are poor
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2603. # [23:04] <Ms2ger> "Cedar candidates"
2604. # [23:04] * Ms2ger likes
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2608. # [23:07] <philor> bz: would you have added some origins to test failure messages, like turning the former "Script error at: 0" into "Script error. at chrome://browser/content/aboutSessionRestore.js:0"?
2609. # [23:07] <bz> philor: it could happen, yes
2610. # [23:07] <bz> Ms2ger: well, it's an oldish query. ;)
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2615. # [23:07] <bz> philor: depending on the various principals involved
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2618. # [23:08] <philor> principals of closed windows, mostly, I think
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2620. # [23:09] <whimboo> smaug: the reason for the failures is http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/500c2ddb52c1
2621. # [23:09] <philor> not sure what that one on mozilla-central is, other than I think I've been told the "attempt to run compile-and-go script on a cleared scope" is someone who should have stopped when their window closed
2622. # [23:10] <smaug> whimboo: ah
2623. # [23:10] <whimboo> smaug: would mean only 12 days I could bisect
2624. # [23:10] <smaug> yeah
2625. # [23:10] <whimboo> smaug: otherwise give me something I can work with for later builds
2626. # [23:10] <smaug> whimboo: well, could you try each end of that time?
2627. # [23:10] <whimboo> smaug: but for now I will build this changeset
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2629. # [23:10] <whimboo> and see if the crash happens
2630. # [23:11] <whimboo> smaug: you mean the above changeset and the tag http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/41b84b87c816?
2631. # [23:11] <whimboo> th'ats what I will do now
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2636. # [23:12] <smaug> whimboo: yep
2637. # [23:13] <njn> dbaron: ping
2638. # [23:13] <@dbaron> njn, pong
2639. # [23:13] <njn> dbaron: I'm making decent progress on the style memory reporters
2640. # [23:13] <mwu> cpearce: thanks for landing
2641. # [23:13] <whimboo> smaug: my machine is not the fastest, so it will take a bit
2642. # [23:13] <njn> dbaron: are style sheets stored anywhere other than in nsLayoutStylesheetCache and in nsDocument::mStyleSheets?
2643. # [23:14] <@dbaron> njn, maybe someplace in xul prototype documents?
2644. # [23:14] <cpearce> mwu: np. I'm going to land on m-a soon too, once I'm sure it builds locally after my unbitrotting.
2645. # [23:14] <@dbaron> njn, I suspect the stuff editor does ends up in nsDocument::mStyleSheets, though I'm not sure... it might end up in editor stuff
2646. # [23:14] <mwu> ah
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2648. # [23:15] <njn> dbaron: ok. I'm also having a bit of trouble with Rule::mParentRule
2649. # [23:15] <njn> dbaron: which is a GroupRule, and GroupRule::mRules is an nsCOMArray<Rule>
2650. # [23:15] <mwu> cpearce: the m-c version of the patch should be pretty close
2651. # [23:16] <njn> dbaron: can there be cycles there? I got an infinite loop at one point, but it might just be a bug in my code
2652. # [23:16] <@dbaron> njn, you should consider mParentRule non-owning
2653. # [23:16] <@dbaron> njn, you're looking at a tree, and mParentRule is the parent pointer
2654. # [23:16] <njn> dbaron: oh, ok
2655. # [23:16] <cpearce> mwu: yeah, I had merge conflicts for some reason. it was trivial to unbitrot, but just want to be sure it builds before I land.
2656. # [23:16] <bz> hrm
2657. # [23:16] <mwu> cool
2658. # [23:16] <njn> dbaron: seems like some Rules aren't being measured
2659. # [23:16] <bz> did we rename Nightly.app to FirefoxNightly.app ?
2660. # [23:16] <njn> bz: yes
2661. # [23:16] <bz> ok
2662. # [23:16] * bz updates all his scripts
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2664. # [23:17] <njn> dbaron: in CSSParserImpl::AppendRule, Rules sometimes get pushed onto mGroupStack
2665. # [23:17] <njn> dbaron: I haven't worked out where those Rules end up being stored in the data structures
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2668. # [23:18] <njn> dbaron: the ones appended to mSheet I have covered
2669. # [23:18] <@dbaron> njn, that's just temporary stuff used for building the tree
2670. # [23:18] <njn> dbaron: hmm, ok
2671. # [23:18] <bz> njn: they end up in a group rule
2672. # [23:18] <njn> bz: stored where?
2673. # [23:18] <bz> njn: which is either in another group rule or in some sheet
2674. # [23:19] <qheaden> I'm having trouble understanding the XUL structure by looking at the XML. Is there any XUL browser I can use?
2675. # [23:19] <qheaden> Like in FF developer tools or something?
2676. # [23:19] <njn> bz: hmm, ok
2677. # [23:19] <njn> dbaron, bz: ok, thanks, I'll keep plugging away
2678. # [23:19] <bz> njn: ask about stuff as needed
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2680. # [23:20] <njn> bz: I will! if you and dbaron are around, you weren't yesterday when I needed you :P
2681. # [23:20] * bz took yesterday off
2682. # [23:20] <njn> traversing data structures is a good way to understand code
2683. # [23:20] <bz> should be around tomorrow too
2684. # [23:20] <njn> bz: np :)
2685. # [23:20] <bz> as for next week... who knows
2686. # [23:20] <@dbaron> njn, that's what you get for looking for us after 10am Australian time...
2687. # [23:20] <njn> bz: cool
2688. # [23:21] * bz is obviously not here Fri and Mon
2689. # [23:21] <njn> dbaron: I should get up earlier :P
2690. # [23:21] <@dbaron> njn, I'm 3 hours east of usual for a few weeks
2691. # [23:21] <njn> dbaron: how's the weather in South Carolina?
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2693. # [23:21] <@dbaron> njn, I'm in Pennsylvania, where it's been either cold or rainy (but not both).
2694. # [23:22] <njn> dbaron: I didn't really think you were in SC
2695. # [23:22] <njn> dbaron: is Rule::mSheet non-owning as well?
2696. # [23:22] <@dbaron> njn, yep
2697. # [23:22] <njn> dbaron: ok, thx
2698. # [23:22] <@dbaron> njn, it's either a parent pointer (if mGroupRule is null) or an ancestor pointer (when mGroupRule is non-null)
2699. # [23:23] <@dbaron> er, mParentRule
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2701. # [23:25] <zpao> philor: that aboutSessionRestore orange - see bug 691255
2702. # [23:25] <@dbaron> y'know, I think the Christmas holidays being Friday + Monday in the US and Monday + Tuesday in New Zealand actually works out pretty well.
2703. # [23:25] <@dbaron> because the weekends actually line up
2704. # [23:26] <whimboo> smaug: any change to disable mmx?
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2706. # [23:26] <whimboo> smaug: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1415071
2707. # [23:26] <smaug> whimboo: ?
2708. # [23:26] <whimboo> otherwise our range will be even smaller
2709. # [23:27] <smaug> whimboo: I have no idea what causes that error
2710. # [23:27] <@dbaron> (looks like Australia lines up with that too)
2711. # [23:28] <khuey> firebot: cid
2712. # [23:28] <firebot> {0x777d2dfc, 0x481d, 0x4e60, {0x9b, 0xce, 0xc3, 0xb8, 0xd7, 0x96, 0xd0, 0xed}}
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2715. # [23:28] <Ms2ger> ehsan, oh, a review!
2716. # [23:29] <ehsan> you're fast!
2717. # [23:29] <Ms2ger> firebot, botsnack
2718. # [23:29] * firebot smiles
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2723. # [23:34] <smaug> whimboo: I can perhaps create you some new patches, but not today
2724. # [23:34] <smaug> well, it is already tomorrow here
2725. # [23:34] <whimboo> smaug: you live in the future! :D lets wait until i have the next build ready
2726. # [23:34] <whimboo> if it crashes no further work woudl be necessary
2727. # [23:35] <darktrojan> smaug, lies!
2728. # [23:36] <darktrojan> it's just no longer yesterday
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2730. # [23:39] <Unfocused> what darktrojan said
2731. # [23:40] <whimboo> Unfocused: you live way too far in the future, man!
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2733. # [23:40] <whimboo> sadly you can still not predict numbers of the lottery :(
2734. # [23:40] <darktrojan> I prefer to think that you live in the past :P
2735. # [23:40] <Unfocused> what darktrojan said
2736. # [23:41] <Unfocused> :)
2737. # [23:41] <whimboo> well, i'm focused in the middle
2738. # [23:41] <darktrojan> :D
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2740. # [23:41] <whimboo> and not unfocused
2741. # [23:41] <Unfocused> heh
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2747. # [23:43] <darktrojan> has anyone noticed a slight lag closing tabs or loading about:blank lately?
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2749. # [23:43] <nemo> nope
2750. # [23:44] <Unfocused> not i
2751. # [23:44] <Unfocused> and bug 455553 hasn't landed yet either
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2754. # [23:45] <darktrojan> hmm the tab closing might just've been google docs being huge
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2756. # [23:46] * darktrojan wants firebot to have a !! command for giving bug summaries only on demand
2757. # [23:47] <Ms2ger> firebot, bug 455553?
2758. # [23:47] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455553 nor, --, Future, ttaubert, ASSI, New Tab Page feature
2759. # [23:47] <felipe> I've got Firefox stuck on shutdown eating 63% of cpu
2760. # [23:47] <darktrojan> like that but for lazy people
2761. # [23:47] * aki|commute is now known as aki
2762. # [23:47] <felipe> and xperf is not providing a lot of useful info: http://i.imgur.com/TJVgI.png
2763. # [23:47] * jaws|lunch is now known as jaws
2764. # [23:47] <felipe> what else I could do to diagnose this?
2765. # [23:47] <nemo> felipe: gdb -p ?
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2767. # [23:48] <felipe> I'm on windows
2768. # [23:48] <nemo> attach the windows debugger then, after adding symbols
2769. # [23:49] <felipe> yeah let's see if I can get more useful info that way
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2772. # [23:50] <felipe> I wonder if the Unknown addresses are JS generated code..
2773. # [23:50] <terrence> philor: ping
2774. # [23:50] <reuben> you'll only have to go through the mines of visual studio preferences, and fight the symbol server balrog
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2776. # [23:50] <Unfocused> pfft, thats only difficult if you're not on windows
2777. # [23:51] <nemo> heh
2778. # [23:51] <nemo> I've done debugging under windows, never found it too intuitive.
2779. # [23:51] <nemo> I do try to avoid it as much as possible
2780. # [23:51] * Unfocused loves VS's debugger
2781. # [23:51] <mwu> it's pretty nice if you get the symbol server setup and you don't need anything more than visual studio's debugger
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2783. # [23:52] <nemo> haven't used visual studio in years. maybe it has gotten better
2784. # [23:52] <nemo> using whatever the heck that thing is that is documented on DMO was not fun
2785. # [23:52] <mwu> but visual studio's debugger isn't the greatest
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2788. # [23:52] <mwu> does the basic stuff great and not much else afaict
2789. # [23:52] <philor> terrence: pong
2790. # [23:53] <Pike> ted: now that glandium's patch failed in bug 709980, it'd be nice to get some traction on how to really fix that bug
2791. # [23:53] <njn> bz, dbaron: DMD is saying this memory is unreported: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1415089. But AFAICT they are StyleRules that end up being appended to CSSStylesheetInner::mOrderedRules, and I'm measuring that
2792. # [23:53] <ehsan> Ms2ger: still want me to review 707470?
2793. # [23:53] <Ms2ger> firebot, bug 707470?
2794. # [23:53] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707470 nor, --, ---, Ms2ger, RESO DUPLICATE, Don't return 'false' from nsHTMLEditor::GetBlockNodeParent
2795. # [23:53] <Ms2ger> I guess not
2796. # [23:53] <@dbaron> njn, oh
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2799. # [23:53] <terrence> philor: 83158:6cff9824c2c1 broke the js test suite when run from the command line
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2801. # [23:54] <@dbaron> njn, er
2802. # [23:54] <taras> hurley: ping
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2804. # [23:54] <qheaden> ehsan: Ping
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2806. # [23:54] <ehsan> qheaden: hi
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2808. # [23:54] <njn> dbaron: ? :)
2809. # [23:54] <philor> terrence: 301 bz
2810. # [23:55] <reuben> mwu, sadly, I only saw this after I dropping windows for development: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/devlabs/hh227299
2811. # [23:55] <@dbaron> njn, my "oh" was in error
2812. # [23:55] <terrence> philor:301 bz?
2813. # [23:55] <reuben> after dropping*
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2815. # [23:55] <felipe> it is stuck on nsThread::Shutdown
2816. # [23:55] <qheaden> ehsan: Hey there! I'm still stuck on this unit test for the Undo Add to Dictionary for the XUL textbox. Heres my code: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1415093
2817. # [23:55] <@dbaron> terrence, 301 is the HTTP redirect response "Moved Permanently"
2818. # [23:55] <@dbaron> terrence, he's telling you to ask bz instead :-)
2819. # [23:56] <qheaden> ehsan: See anything wrong? It doesn't seem to run correctly.
2820. # [23:56] <terrence> dbaron: thanks!
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2822. # [23:56] <ehsan> qheaden: what types of errors/timeouts you're getting?
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2824. # [23:57] <qheaden> ehsan: Well for one, it says that addToDict is null at line 57.
2825. # [23:57] <ehsan> let me see
2826. # [23:57] <@dbaron> njn, so Loader::LoadInlineStyle, which is in your stack, calls InsertSheetInDoc
2827. # [23:57] <qheaden> ehsan: This is strange because spell-add-to-dictionary is an anonymous child of input-box-contextmenu, according to the XUL.
2828. # [23:57] <philor> terrence: though I am sort of interested in why it would break
2829. # [23:57] <saebekassebil> Hey, I can't really find any resources on this, but is Cookies available through chrome:// urls?
2830. # [23:57] <@dbaron> njn, so I don't see an obvious reason it wouldn't be reported
2831. # [23:58] <darktrojan> philor, you're bz permanently?
2832. # [23:58] <terrence> philor: browserIsRemote doesn't get loaded into the js environment when testing those conditions
2833. # [23:58] <ehsan> qheaden: so the 2nd and 3rd params to that function are the attrib name and value you need to use
2834. # [23:58] <njn> dbaron: ok, if there's nothing obvious I'll keep digging, thanks
2835. # [23:58] <ehsan> you probably want "input-box-contextmenu"
2836. # [23:58] <@dbaron> njn, bz might see something...
2837. # [23:58] <ehsan> qheaden: see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/widgets/textbox.xml#508
2838. # [23:58] <philor> terrence: so we have a whole separate set of conditions for jsreftests in the shell, which don't completely mirror the ones for the harness?
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2840. # [23:58] <philor> What's The Worst That Could Happen?
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2843. # [23:59] <terrence> philor: yeah, i think so...
2844. # [23:59] <ehsan> qheaden: once you have the popup menu, you can get the menu entry using normal DOM APIs
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2846. # [23:59] <terrence> philor: here is the command we run to do the test: ['/home/terrence/moz/js-clean-dbg/js', '-e', 'var xulRuntime = { OS: "Linux", XPCOMABI: "x86_64-gcc3", shell: true }; var isDebugBuild=true; var Android=false;', '-e', 'print(!!(browserIsRemote))']
2847. # [23:59] <philor> terrence: I highly recommend that we add a test which tests that the test conditions match ;)
2848. # [23:59] <ehsan> Enn: OMG patches on bug 499008!!!!!
2849. # [23:59] <qheaden> ehsan: You mean like getElementById?
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