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1. # Session Start: Fri Dec 23 00:00:00 2011
2. # Session Ident: #developers
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5. # [00:00] <khuey> anybody know what the status of the tree is?
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9. # [00:01] <bear-buildduty> it's still closed
10. # [00:01] <cjones> tinseled and ornamented
11. # [00:01] <bear-buildduty> we have some last bits of sanity checks that are waiting for builds to finish
12. # [00:01] <khuey> any ETA?
13. # [00:01] <bear-buildduty> as soon as the last android jobs clear tbpl
14. # [00:01] <bear-buildduty> and that is slow because of mysql replication issues
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16. # [00:02] <khuey> ok
17. # [00:02] <khuey> thanks!
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19. # [00:03] <bear-buildduty> thanks for being a patient dev team today
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21. # [00:03] <bear-buildduty> it's been a rough couple of days infra wise
22. # [00:03] <lurking> last couple of weeks hasn't been too great either :P
23. # [00:04] <bear-buildduty> true
24. # [00:04] <bear-buildduty> selective amnesia is required for sanity in this job
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32. # [00:06] <khuey> heh
33. # [00:07] <smaug> who might be awake still some time. I think we should prepare a backout patch for Bug 679971
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37. # [00:08] <khuey> why?
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41. # [00:08] <smaug> khuey: I think we should back it out :)
42. # [00:09] <khuey> I got that much :-P
43. # [00:09] <smaug> and unfortunately I think we should have 9.0.2
44. # [00:09] <smaug> for Bug 679971 and Bug 696020
45. # [00:09] <Callek> smaug: r-d has been discussing it, are you on that list or involved in that discussion?
46. # [00:09] <khuey> yeah that was my question as well
47. # [00:10] <smaug> I'm not in that list
48. # [00:10] <smaug> Callek: khuey: I'm just saying that preparing a trivial patch might be useful
49. # [00:10] <smaug> whether or not there will be 9.0.2
50. # [00:10] <smaug> the patch would be ready there
51. # [00:11] <Callek> smaug: let me forward you that specific thread, and then you can chime in as well :-)
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53. # [00:11] <Callek> ok no firebot and your not on mozillians
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55. # [00:11] <Callek> smaug: /msg me your e-mail?
56. # [00:11] <smaug> Callek: it is bed time here
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58. # [00:12] <Callek> short thread
59. # [00:12] <Callek> :-)
60. # [00:12] * joduinn-mtg is now known as joduinn
61. # [00:12] <smaug> really, I can't stay awake all the nights :)
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64. # [00:12] <khuey> you could move to the US and then be on the same timezone as all of us
65. # [00:12] * khuey ducks
66. # [00:12] <jhammel> khuey: that's still 4+ different timezones!
67. # [00:12] * Callek doesn't expect you to chime in this very minute, just that you're one of the ones that probably matter in this decision process for .taint*
68. # [00:12] <khuey> jhammel: close enough
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70. # [00:14] <bz> smaug: in that case, I would be tempted, for now, to flush after GenerateMouseEE
71. # [00:14] <khuey> smaug: I doubt we're going to release a 9.0.2 before tuesday at the earliest
72. # [00:14] <bz> smaug: if that's ok with your
73. # [00:14] <khuey> due to holidays in the us
74. # [00:14] <khuey> so preparing the patch now seems unnecessary
75. # [00:14] <Callek> khuey: christmas is a holiday worldwide
76. # [00:15] <Callek> just not necessarily celebrated as widely in some countries
77. # [00:15] <smaug> khuey: right
78. # [00:15] <Unfocused> chris-who?
79. # [00:16] <khuey> Callek: yes but our drivers are in the US
80. # [00:17] <Callek> smaug: sent to your bugmail address that thread, for lack of knowing a better e-mail
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84. # [00:18] <smaug> Callek: any email works
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86. # [00:18] <smaug> no firebot
87. # [00:18] <Callek> yea :/
88. # [00:19] <Callek> smaug: p.s. add yourself to mozillians!
89. # [00:19] <Callek> :-P
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91. # [00:20] <smaug> I'm there
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93. # [00:20] <smaug> though, I couldn't re-login, IIRC
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95. # [00:20] <smaug> or was it that I couldn't change any information about myself
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97. # [00:21] <bz> smaug: did you see my question above?
98. # [00:21] <smaug> that sounds ok
99. # [00:21] <smaug> if we find other cases, we'll add more flushes
100. # [00:21] <Callek> smaug: well I cant find you on mozillians by searching for "smaug"
101. # [00:21] <bz> smaug: ok
102. # [00:21] * Callek tries your real name
103. # [00:21] <smaug> but I'll file a bug to sort this all our for touch events too
104. # [00:22] <Callek> smaug: ahh yes: https://mozillians.org/en-US/u/791b90ac55
105. # [00:23] <dholbert> bz, do you happen to know why nsTextFrame is explicitly considered "replaced" according to nsTextFrame::IsFrameOfType ?
106. # [00:23] <smaug> Callek: trying to figure out which email address and what password I used for mozillians...
107. # [00:23] <bz> dholbert: nope. Check blame?
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109. # [00:24] * jhammel refers smaug to a little thing called password manager....
110. # [00:24] <wg9s> khuey: ping
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112. # [00:24] <dholbert> bz, did, goes back to The Start Of Time basically (at least to 2007, the second time the code was moved from file-to-file)
113. # [00:24] <khuey> wg9s: pong
114. # [00:24] <bz_away> dholbert: CVS attic!
115. # [00:24] <smaug> Callek: did I use my moco email address perhaps ? :)
116. # [00:24] <bz_away> dholbert: 2007 is recent
117. # [00:24] <dholbert> bz_away, I'm already in the CVS attic, that's where the second code-move happened :)
118. # [00:24] <Callek> smaug: according to my link there, Olli.P*@gmail.com
119. # [00:24] <bz_away> dholbert: start of time is 1999. ;)
120. # [00:24] <dholbert> bz_away, k I'll keep digging. :)
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122. # [00:25] <wg9s> khuey: If you ping me when you post the patch I will comment with my testing success to hopefully get it r+ sooner.
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124. # [00:25] <smaug> oh, nice, I used email address which I don't use anymore
125. # [00:25] <dholbert> bz_away, the line is labelled "XXX kipp: temporary" which doesn't encourage me :)
126. # [00:25] <khuey> wg9s: oh, I r+d the patch :-)
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131. # [00:28] <wg9s> OH OK
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133. # [00:29] <jgilbert> When we encode JPGs from RGBA non-premultiplied data, is it by design that we just strip the alpha instead of premultiplying it?
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135. # [00:29] <khuey> sounds like a vlad question
136. # [00:30] <wg9s> but i don;t see it on bug 722549 which I bet is really the same issue.
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138. # [00:30] <wg9s> sorry bug 711549 guess I was one key shifted to the right ;-)
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140. # [00:30] <khuey> wg9s: that's something different
141. # [00:30] <khuey> wg9s: this is bug 703878
142. # [00:31] <wg9s> but I wonder if the same patch might fix both.
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145. # [00:31] <khuey> it won't
146. # [00:31] <wg9s> OK just hoping!
147. # [00:31] <khuey> 711549 was fixed by backing out the patch that regressed it
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155. # [00:40] <whimboo> smaug: gotcha… Assertion failure: !cx->runtime->gcRunning, at /Volumes/data/code/firefox/nightly/js/src/jsgcinlines.h:199
156. # [00:41] <whimboo> smaug: it's not crashing yet, but firefox has been frozen
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158. # [00:42] <smaug> so, crashed probably
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160. # [00:42] <whimboo> smaug: it's a build from 08/24 or so. means very close to 8
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164. # [00:46] <jgilbert> do we run on any platforms that are Big Endian?
165. # [00:49] <tbsaunde> jgilbert: we don't test on any, but there are some comunity people who care about linux ppc (at least they did as of the sumer)
166. # [00:50] <jgilbert> tbsaunde: alright, thanks
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169. # [00:51] <mcpherrin> Aren't there big endian ARM platforms? Or does nobody use them for Android?
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177. # [00:58] <darktrojan> don't die on me now mdn :(
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180. # [01:02] <jgilbert> is ImageLib the /media dir or the /image dir, or both?
181. # [01:02] <sid0> did we get rid of the NSS .chk files at some point?
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184. # [01:03] <khuey> I think we're deferring signing to packaging now
185. # [01:03] <khuey> jgilbert: image/
186. # [01:03] <jgilbert> khuey: thanks
187. # [01:03] <sid0> khuey: ah ok
188. # [01:03] <sid0> khuey: that explains it
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228. # [01:56] <NeilAway> are the ETAs on try anywhere near accurate?
229. # [01:56] <philor> no
230. # [01:57] <philor> they're something like an average of the previous runs of that same thing which are currently showing in however many other pushes you have visible
231. # [01:58] * Waldo wishes that were fixed so he didn't usually keep the full view visible solely to see estimates
232. # [01:59] <Waldo> I pretty much only pull up single view if I'm kicking off a run at the end of a day, to be completed by morning
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239. # [02:10] <khuey> bear-buildduty-afk: how is the tree doing?
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243. # [02:13] <lurking> khuey: I think he went 'shopping'
244. # [02:13] <lurking> * bear-buildduty-afk flees for the safety of holiday shoppers
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246. # [02:14] <edmorley> one hope shopping for a new tree and/or buildbot master
247. # [02:14] <edmorley> s
248. # [02:14] <khuey> ok, who is working on the tree then?
249. # [02:14] <khuey> it's been closed for almost 12 hours
250. # [02:14] <bz> dholbert: er, yeah
251. # [02:14] <bz> dholbert: XXXkipp would in fact be ancient days
252. # [02:14] <khuey> and sporadically yesterday, and the day before ...
253. # [02:15] <lurking> khuey: I don't know - philor might have some insight -
254. # [02:15] <lurking> he's in build
255. # [02:16] <philor> among other places
256. # [02:16] <cpeterson> Does anyone have an ASUS TRANSFORMER tablet? I'm try to find one so that I can either repro a bug or get a copy of some files off the device.
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258. # [02:18] <edmorley> " tm-b01-master01:avg load is WARNING: WARNING - load average: 11.50, 11.51, 8.31"... doesn't sound good
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260. # [02:18] <philor> iit's fairly likely, though far from certain, that if we reopened you would actually get builds scheduled, and when they finished you'd get tests scheduled and run, probably. I'd bet that the only way you would find out the results would be by digging through self-serve and full logs off ftp, though
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263. # [02:19] <lurking> philor: but wouldn't the problem with tbpl lagging severely still be an issue - no one would know when things break...
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265. # [02:20] <khuey> yes, that's his point
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268. # [02:21] <philor> a hypothetical ubersheriff could look at every single log uploaded to ftp
269. # [02:21] * khuey gives up, goes to enjoy his holiday
270. # [02:21] * khuey is now known as khuey|christmas
271. # [02:22] <philor> I'm reasonably sure that after a day of not uploading a good percentage of the android logs, we do now upload them at least
272. # [02:22] <edmorley> khuey|christmas: enjoy :-)
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275. # [02:25] <njn> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3383522 claims Mozilla will get $300M / year from Google(!)
276. # [02:25] <darktrojan> fyi new zealand: christchurch is shaking again
277. # [02:25] <darktrojan> :-/
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280. # [02:26] <philor> we should use some of that to buy more database servers
281. # [02:26] <khuey|christmas> philor++
282. # [02:26] <lurking> Merry Christmas Kyle
283. # [02:27] <Unfocused> darktrojan: :(
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285. # [02:27] <heycam> "I hope mozilla can now afford H.264 licenses. They are the last holdout to make web video easy." :\
286. # [02:27] <darktrojan> ha
287. # [02:27] <lurking> that will never happen
288. # [02:28] <darktrojan> didn't google pull h264 from chrome?
289. # [02:28] <lurking> darktrojan: you in Christchurch ?
290. # [02:28] <kinetik> darktrojan: not yet
291. # [02:28] <darktrojan> no lurking
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293. # [02:28] * darktrojan is at the other end of the country
294. # [02:28] <Unfocused> i'm closer
295. # [02:29] <Unfocused> ~4.5 hours away by car
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298. # [02:29] <Unfocused> wow, 5.9
299. # [02:30] <Unfocused> i might have felt that if i had been awake enough at the time
300. # [02:31] <darktrojan> heh
301. # [02:31] * Waldo is still waiting to actually, and certainly, notice an earthquake in CA
302. # [02:32] <Waldo> I might have felt one once. maybe. wasn't sure if I just retrospectively imagined it
303. # [02:35] * juanb|brb is now known as juanb
304. # [02:35] <njn> Waldo: I felt one in England once. It's a hotbed of seismic disturbance.
305. # [02:35] <darktrojan> I've felt a few earthquakes in Auckland, and we don't have them
306. # [02:36] <Waldo> unless I'm mistaken, it's not the hotbed that CA is :-)
307. # [02:38] <darktrojan> Unfocused, do we have any chch mozillians?
308. # [02:38] <kinetik> nthomas is close to chch
309. # [02:38] <kinetik> ~25km
310. # [02:38] <kinetik> i used to live there
311. # [02:38] <darktrojan> he is?
312. # [02:39] * darktrojan didn't know nthomas was a kiwi
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316. # [02:42] <Unfocused> there was a contributor there, don't think he's still around though (and sadly, i'm horrible with names...)
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318. # [02:43] <darktrojan> some days it'd be nice if my mozillians account worked
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322. # [02:45] <Unfocused> file a bug
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326. # [02:48] <darktrojan> I've commented on a few bugs about it
327. # [02:48] <darktrojan> no progress
328. # [02:49] * darktrojan registers his other email address to try to fool it
329. # [02:49] <darktrojan> https://mozillians.org/en-US/u/fd5b626cf0
330. # [02:49] <Unfocused> vouched
331. # [02:50] <darktrojan> cheers
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333. # [02:51] <darktrojan> huh. same result.
334. # [02:51] <Unfocused> ?
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336. # [02:52] <darktrojan> I get 404s when I look at user pages and 500s when I look at groups
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338. # [02:54] <Unfocused> huh
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340. # [02:56] <darktrojan> that's what I thought
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350. # [03:06] <RyanVM> bz: how did I just know you were going to say that? :P
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361. # [03:21] <coop|afk> IT reports the db is settling down, so I'm re-opening the trees. we'll continue to monitor db load
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427. # [04:43] <philor> okay, did everyone shove whatever was burning a hole in their queue in?
428. # [04:43] <philor> because there's absolutely no way the tree should be open, and I need to go stir my dinner
429. # [04:43] <philor> that'll probably take 5 minutes or so
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445. # [05:03] <ewong> if the m-c has already a .h file, and I add a .cpp file to it, i.e (has foo.h, and I add foo.cpp) is there a Makefile I need to change or does it automatically detect the .cpp file while building?
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450. # [05:10] <khuey|christmas> you need to add the cpp file to the makefile
451. # [05:11] <khuey|christmas> the build system isn't magic
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456. # [05:13] <philor> how do I get a jar.mn to be picked up by the build system?
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459. # [05:14] <ewong> oooh
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466. # [05:21] <ewong> um I think a better question is how do I tell if I need to add it(the cpp file reference) to the Makefile? Is there a criteria for this?
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468. # [05:21] <RyanVM> add it if you want it to be compiled?
469. # [05:25] <philor> I'd say that just leads to people filing bugs against it, but we do have people file against dead crap that isn't compiled, too
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471. # [05:26] <ewong> RyanVM: oh.. ok. thanks!
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475. # [05:29] <reuben> is libidl still a dependency with the new python xpidl compiler?
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478. # [05:32] <khuey|christmas> no
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480. # [05:35] <reuben> thanks
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483. # [05:42] <Callek> dolske: there *is* value in having SeaMonkey bugs have pointers at the toolkit bugs they are porting features/design/etc. from
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485. # [05:43] <Callek> dolske: so, not sure how that is "spamming" and "useless"
486. # [05:43] <Callek> it is from the Toolkit->[I don't care about SeaMonkey] use case, but not from the [SeaMonkey-I care]->Toolkit cycle
487. # [05:44] <Callek> dolske: this re: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697124#c6
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493. # [05:46] <njn> "error: invalid cast from type ‘nsCSSUnit’ to type ‘nsCSSUnit’". Gee, thanks, GCC
494. # [05:47] <Callek> njn: you'd get that in case of a typedef nsCSSUnit in one translation unit, and a typedef nsCSSUnit to a different type in a different translation unit, iirc
495. # [05:47] <Callek> been a long while since I had to diagnose an error message like that though
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499. # [05:50] <njn> Callek: I'm trying to do this:
500. # [05:50] <njn> enum nsCSSProperty : PRInt16
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502. # [05:51] <njn> to pack the enum into 16 bits
503. # [05:51] <njn> but I'm not really sure what I'm doing
504. # [05:51] <Callek> njn: I'd wish I could help, but I don't touch C/C++ quite as much as I used to, so the esoteric errors take me a lot longer right now
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507. # [05:55] <dolske> Callek: disagree. you can note those things in your bug without having to use blocking fields.
508. # [05:55] <dolske> makes it much harder to track _real_ regressions and dependancies.
509. # [05:55] <Callek> dolske: regressions need a separate bug field, I have said for years
510. # [05:56] <Callek> dolske: and the idea that SeaMonkey depends on those toolkit bugs, allow us to note (easily) if said bug is backed out, reopened, etc.
511. # [05:56] <Callek> it is a true dependancy of the toolkit bug for the SeaMonkey bug
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513. # [05:58] <Callek> dolske: having to note it in bug, means to notice those things, we'd have to skim possibly 40-ish comments for bug links, among review comments if a review needs multiple iterations, etc.
514. # [05:58] <Callek> rather than dependancies, where, again, it *is* a true dependancy as far as SeaMonkey itself is concerned, is the right place for it logically
515. # [05:58] <Callek> just because Firefox/Toolkit itself doesn't care about what those bugs actually block, doesn't mean they don't block it
516. # [06:00] <dolske> "meh".
517. # [06:00] * Callek can accept that you don't like the workflow here, or how it works to "notify" you of these seamonkey bug additions, or that you just don't like us adding our dependancies this way....
518. # [06:00] * Callek cannot accept that it is a wrong thing, or useless.
519. # [06:01] <Callek> happy to work with you/glob/etc. to explore a way to improve this workflow to suit both our needs/desires though
520. # [06:01] <Callek> but until we have a better solution, I for one will continue doing dependancies to Firefox/Toolkit bugs in that way, where it does make sense
521. # [06:02] * Callek notes he is not going to counter your point to serge, who *has* indeed gone overboard on dependancy tieing, based on speculation in the past.
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541. # [06:32] <KWierso> whoa, when did the error console start logging timestamps?
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543. # [06:34] <philor> 12/22/11 9:00:16 PM
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575. # [07:10] <ewong> can someone point out what |NS_IMPL_CYCLE_COLLECTING_ADDREF(..)| does?
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578. # [07:18] * philor snickers at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=443763#c3
579. # [07:19] <philor> it's always jam tomorrow
580. # [07:22] <Waldo> "jam"?
581. # [07:22] <Waldo> philor: ^
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584. # [07:24] <philor> Waldo: Through the Looking-Glass - "The rule is, jam tomorrow and jam yesterday -- but never jam today"
585. # [07:24] <Waldo> ah
586. # [07:25] <philor> I misquoted slightly, but then I usually do
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592. # [07:37] <blassey> philor: do you know when we plan to reopen the tree?
593. # [07:38] <philor> blassey: when my retriggered android and android-xul builds on the inbound tip result in finished tests for absolutely every single mobile suite
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595. # [07:38] <philor> I know it's annoying to wait on that damned mobile stuff, but we haven't actually run and shown that we've run all the tests for a bit over a day now, on any tree
596. # [07:38] * blassey waits for the joke...
597. # [07:39] <philor> that's actually as good as it's going to get - I didn't have very good material to work with
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602. # [07:40] <philor> oh, and with uploaded logs for every single suite, since that's the other thing we haven't had from mobile for more than a day
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604. # [07:42] <dolske> we need tests for our test runs, to flag such things.
605. # [07:42] <KWierso> yo dawg...
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607. # [07:44] <Waldo> qui probator probator
608. # [07:44] <philor> hmm
609. # [07:44] <Waldo> and to the extent I mangled grammar there, blame teh goog
610. # [07:45] <philor> blassey: did you get mail about not having run tpan on native? I think what I'm missing about the permared on xul is that we don't even try to run it on native
611. # [07:45] <philor> and we do have tests for our test runs, but so far they just email blassey :)
612. # [07:45] <blassey> philor: I have not got a mail about that
613. # [07:46] <blassey> yes, I'm the guinea pig
614. # [07:46] <philor> probably don't get told about a suite that's not attempting to run at all
615. # [07:46] <blassey> we're supposed to be hooked into graph server
616. # [07:46] <blassey> the error is that that graph server hasn't received data for 24 hours
617. # [07:47] <blassey> for whatever reason
618. # [07:49] <dolske> Waldo: I would have gone with "Who watches the Watchmen"
619. # [07:50] <dolske> bloody smileyface optional
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622. # [07:54] <darktrojan> more tree trouble? :(
623. # [07:56] <philor> only continuously for the last... 29 hours?
624. # [07:57] <philor> though some of that wasn't the boring old "tree trouble that we know about" but instead the fun and exciting "tree trouble that we aren't being bothered to notice"
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626. # [07:57] <darktrojan> a bit of variety is good
627. # [07:58] <philor> okay, step one, some of my android tests are disappearing so they're done running, now all they have to do is show up finished
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631. # [08:08] <philor> probably too early to tell, but it certainly looks like we're going to wind up still fucked
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647. # [08:29] <philor> blassey: still up?
648. # [08:30] <blassey> yup
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651. # [08:31] <philor> bug 712988 still exists, I'm about to reopen it, so please tell me that your tests really are tier 1, and if we're not reporting n% (50-75, probably, roughly), then we need to stay closed
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658. # [08:43] <blassey> philor: android tests really are tier 1
659. # [08:44] <philor> thx, sorry we're not going to reopen, but at least you can go to bed earlier!
660. # [08:46] <blassey> so... is this an IT issue?
661. # [08:47] <philor> releng, I'll bet
662. # [08:49] <philor> added new masters, new foopies, and new tegras this week, that's where my first suspicion goes
663. # [08:49] <blassey> so why aren't we getting js reftest runs on the last push?
664. # [08:49] <blassey> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&noignore=1
665. # [08:53] <philor> https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/mozilla-inbound/rev/2a1f2758ad0d and put "jsreftest" in the search box in the builds section
666. # [08:53] <philor> we are getting them run, they are green, they are in whatever db self-serve queries
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668. # [08:53] <blassey> ok
669. # [08:53] <philor> they either aren't in the db builds-4hr is built from, or the query that creates builds-4hr doesn't see them
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672. # [08:54] * philor makes sure that's really true, since the first "question" that will be reasked tomorrow morning is "why isn't this tbpl's fault?"
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675. # [08:59] <Ms2ger> Why isn't it? :)
676. # [08:59] <Ms2ger> (Then we've got that out of the way)
677. # [08:59] <philor> "Verified that the string "Android XUL Tegra 250 mozilla-inbound opt test mochitest-5" does not exist in http://build.mozilla.org/builds/builds-4hr.js.gz, despite two of them having finished in the last 4 hours, one having both started and finished in the last 2 hours."
678. # [09:00] <Ms2ger> Back in my days, we could blame tinderbox
679. # [09:01] <philor> good times!
680. # [09:01] <philor> nobody owned it, nobody got mad when it got the blame
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683. # [09:06] <Ms2ger> "Hello Mozillians: As you know we launched the *Mozilla Firefox Challenge*..."
684. # [09:06] <Ms2ger> As it happens, I didn't
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686. # [09:07] <darktrojan> you're meant to know everything
687. # [09:07] <KWierso> Ms2ger: I must have my email address in two separate (but equal) mailing lists, as everything sent out like that message, I get twice
688. # [09:07] <Ms2ger> KWierso, me too!
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690. # [09:09] <glob> !seen dolske
691. # [09:09] <glob> logbot, seen dolske
692. # [09:09] <logbot> 3 years and 275 days ago: <dolske> correct.
693. # [09:09] <glob> wow
694. # [09:10] <ewong> err he was just on
695. # [09:10] <ewong> and still is..
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697. # [09:10] <KWierso> dolske said something here in #developers 80 minutes ago
698. # [09:10] <glazou> bonjour
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711. # [09:25] <NeilAway> philor++
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715. # [09:33] <NeilAway> presumably this closure is related to why I only have 4 results on try instead of the 208 in the bug comment?
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719. # [09:36] <ewong> !seen khuey
720. # [09:36] <ewong> oh.. drat.. firebot's offline..
721. # [09:38] <philor> NeilAway: difficult to say, that's more likely to be related to the closure before this, or even the one before that
722. # [09:38] <philor> it'd only be this one if you were only doing Android, and doing a whole lot of it to have had 208
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724. # [09:40] <philor> self-serve will tell you which ones failed, and then either the logs on ftp.m.o, or just retriggering them for great justice, will tell you why or that they were intermittent
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727. # [09:41] <dolske> logbot: hi!
728. # [09:41] <logbot> dolske, found 4 results
729. # [09:41] <logbot> Dec 20 18:51 <ehsan> qheaden: hi! :)
730. # [09:41] <logbot> Dec 20 10:52 <mak> edmorley: hi!
731. # [09:41] <logbot> Dec 16 20:31 <jesup> roc: hi! Any ETA on when you'll have a semi-usable patch for MediaStreams (non-processed ones)? I'm hitting a point in the PeerConnection impl where I need something there, either real or a stub. getUserMedia can wait a little so long as there's some way to feed data into a media stream
732. # [09:41] <logbot> Dec 12 2011 <bholley> edmorley: hi!
733. # [09:42] <dolske> O_O
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735. # [09:42] <glob> nice searching
736. # [09:42] <voot545> does anyone know what settings allows local iframes to load (from 192.168.~)?
737. # [09:42] <dolske> voot545: eh? I didn't think we prevented that yet.
738. # [09:43] <voot545> I've been trying to figure out this damn problem for days
739. # [09:43] <voot545> you most definitely do prevent it
740. # [09:44] <voot545> I've uploaded my current work to my test server, and the iframe does load
741. # [09:45] <voot545> but that's on the actual internet, it doesn't load when the entire page & parent frame are on 192.168~
742. # [09:45] <voot545> though the parent frame does call to jQuery from the google api, not a local copy of jQuery
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744. # [09:45] <voot545> that, and a few other libraries are the only relations to non-local addresses
745. # [09:46] <voot545> I don't see anything in the docs anywhere; can anyone tell me where might be the best place to try to ask further about this?
746. # [09:46] <glob> logbot, seen dolske
747. # [09:46] <logbot> glob, 3 minutes and 45 seconds ago: <dolske> voot545: eh? I didn't think we prevented that yet.
748. # [09:46] <glob> ok, good
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751. # [09:47] <voot545> oh shi is dolske a bot
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753. # [09:49] <Ms2ger> No, that's gavin
754. # [09:50] <glazou> gavin is not only a bot
755. # [09:50] <dolske> voot545: bug 354493 was what I was thinking of, but that hasn't landed. I'd suggest filing a bug with a specific, narrow testcase.
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757. # [09:50] <glazou> it's an multi-protocol bot
758. # [09:50] <glazou> gavin even answers to bugzilla questions on twitter ;-)
759. # [09:50] <nigelb> lol
760. # [09:50] <dolske> I don't search bugzilla anymore, I just yell over the divider to gavin.
761. # [09:52] <glazou> the only cool thing for gavin is that he should be able to show he's following 713,310 people^H^H^H^H^H^H bugs :-)
762. # [09:52] <glazou> sorry 713,189 even
763. # [09:53] <voot545> sure as heck looks like Bug 354493
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782. # [10:39] <NeilAway> dolske: I don't know who watched the Watchmen but the box office was $185,258,983
783. # [10:40] <NeilAway> (source: WP)
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787. # [10:43] <NeilAway> philor: I went for the pain of downloading the logs
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791. # [10:46] <glazou> BlueGriffon now uses Reflect() :-)
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803. # [10:59] <dolske> NeilAway: yeah, I totatally overpaid for that ticket.
804. # [11:05] <NeilAway> ok, whose bright idea was it to have a test called scripttest-fail?
805. # [11:06] * NeilAway finds the case sensitive search option
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817. # [11:18] <evilpie> m-c: CLOSED m-i: CLOSED m-a: CLOSED m-b: CLOSED ???
818. # [11:18] <darktrojan> closed all the things
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821. # [11:20] <darktrojan> 713174
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834. # [11:36] <NeilAway> so, what can cause a test to fail other than TEST-FAIL which grep failed to find in the logs
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839. # [11:38] <darktrojan> you don't mean TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL?
840. # [11:41] <NeilAway> darktrojan: yes, I do
841. # [11:41] * NeilAway sighs
842. # [11:41] <NeilAway> obviously fails are unexpected
843. # [11:41] <darktrojan> except sometimes
844. # [11:41] <Ms2ger> Such as on Android
845. # [11:41] <darktrojan> wouldn't it be great if we had machines that could find this stuff for us?
846. # [11:42] <Ms2ger> Ha. Ha. Ha.
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849. # [11:44] <glazou> MDN hyper slow again...
850. # [11:45] <glazou> even down again
851. # [11:45] <glazou> "The service is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later."
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857. # [11:54] * NeilAway sighs
858. # [11:54] <NeilAway> we actually have tests for broken behaviour
859. # [11:54] * NeilAway is sad
860. # [11:54] <NeilAway> unless the test turns out to be a todo
861. # [11:58] <Ms2ger> Then it would be a test-unexpected-pass
862. # [11:59] <darktrojan> unless the test is broken too
863. # [11:59] * darktrojan has done that before :-/
864. # [12:00] <Ms2ger> Anyway, wrong tests exist to be changes
865. # [12:00] <Ms2ger> *ed
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877. # [12:16] <smaug> boo, tree is closed :(
878. # [12:19] <grubshka> Hi, I've a segmention fault in my application (built against mozilla-aurora), only on mac
879. # [12:19] <grubshka> I tried to debug it but I'm not really used to do that, I could only get this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1417269
880. # [12:19] <grubshka> Any help to solve that or debug more is welcome :)
881. # [12:20] * NeilAway sighs
882. # [12:20] <NeilAway> what do you do when the test passes locally?
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885. # [12:22] <grubshka> Oh, I can get the complete backtrace http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1417270
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887. # [12:25] <Ms2ger> Huh
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892. # [12:26] <Ms2ger> That sure looks like a weird backtrace
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895. # [12:36] <mrbkap> grubshka: that looks like public exported symbols only.
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922. # [13:19] <smaug> whimboo: I guess so
923. # [13:19] <smaug> whimboo: thanks for doing it
924. # [13:20] <smaug> whimboo: I was just worried that something else had changed during FF9
925. # [13:20] <whimboo> smaug: great. no problem. whenever something like that is necessary again, just ping me
926. # [13:20] <smaug> but that doesn't seem the case. We were just very unlucky :(
927. # [13:20] <smaug> oko
928. # [13:20] <smaug> ok even
929. # [13:20] <whimboo> but have seen it right in time
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953. # [14:03] <Mavericks> harth here ?
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956. # [14:04] <Mavericks> has anyone used or are familar with the bugzilla api or bz.js before ?
957. # [14:05] <glob> Mavericks, i'm somewhat familiar with the rest api (but i'm more familiar with bugzilla's native xmlrpc api)
958. # [14:05] <Unfocused> its 5am for harth, so i doubt she's around yet
959. # [14:07] <Mavericks> oh, oops sorry I guess i've the wrong name. I was asking about harthur @ https://github.com/harthur/bz.js
960. # [14:07] <Unfocused> no, that's right
961. # [14:08] <Mavericks> Unfocused: sorry, i'm confused. I thought it was a he. no worries heh
962. # [14:08] <Unfocused> :)
963. # [14:08] <Unfocused> the "h" stands for heather
964. # [14:09] <glob> she's probably on leave too, friday's a US mozilla public holiday
965. # [14:09] <Unfocused> ah, indeed
966. # [14:10] <glob> Mavericks, do you have a specific question?
967. # [14:10] * glob knows a thing or two about bugzilla
968. # [14:10] <Mavericks> glob: oh, ok. hmm , I went through the api for the bz.js, and tried to find a function that detects when a comment's added by returning a boolean return value or rather
969. # [14:10] <Mavericks> Unfocused: aah, yea i was a little too late to realize that. 'arthur' misled me.
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971. # [14:11] <Mavericks> Unfocused: lol, not literally tho. haha
972. # [14:11] <Mavericks> glob: vow, friday's a holiday! cool
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974. # [14:13] <glob> Mavericks, ah, that's a very api specific question; you may be better off emailing harth :/
975. # [14:13] <Mavericks> the bz.js api doesn't have it i think. it rather has a function that adds a comment rather than the detection of it when a comment's added by the user .
976. # [14:13] <glob> right now bmo can't push changes out to clients, they have to poll for updates
977. # [14:13] <glob> which really sucks, for both the clients and the server
978. # [14:14] <glob> i'm working on ways to ease that pain
979. # [14:14] <Mavericks> Yes, i was looking to see if there's an api that just keeps checking and returns true when comment's added successfully,
980. # [14:14] <Mavericks> or
981. # [14:14] <Mavericks> detect an event(when the comment's added)
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983. # [14:15] <glob> can you get a count of the comments?
984. # [14:15] <Mavericks> if there's an api with a method that detects the addition of a comment in real-time, i would be happy to use it.
985. # [14:16] <Mavericks> looks like bz.js has a
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987. # [14:17] <Mavericks> 'bugComments' function which returns a 'Comments' object. it might have a field of # of comments
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989. # [14:19] <Mavericks> glob: oh, oops sorry it doesn't and it's actually a comment class rather for a single comment and its corresponding info.
990. # [14:20] <Mavericks> glob: nice to hear you're working on ways to 'push it to the client' :)
991. # [14:21] <glob> Mavericks, i'm not sure i'll be able to switch a push to a javascript client running in a browser, but the plan is to at least redirect polling requests off the bmo database to a large cache
992. # [14:23] <Mavericks> hmmm
993. # [14:23] <Unfocused> that's totally suported in the browser though, fwiw :)
994. # [14:23] <Unfocused> server-side events ftw
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1048. # [15:57] <Mavericks> Unfocused: oh , nice to know it's supported
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1050. # [15:59] <bhearsum> anyone around who groks how TBPL grabs data from our JSON files?
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1059. # [16:10] <glazou> how can I force from chrome a stylesheet already applied to a document to reload?
1060. # [16:10] <glazou> anything from a cache service I could use?
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1070. # [16:18] <Ms2ger> bhearsum, I could look at the source...
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1072. # [16:19] <Ms2ger> Though aiui there's nothing in the json
1073. # [16:19] <bhearsum> ah, i think we're ok now
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1075. # [16:22] <Ms2ger> Hrm, burning nightly
1076. # [16:22] <Ms2ger> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8119075&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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1081. # [16:26] <Matt> is the reference platform for Linux still CentOS 5?
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1086. # [16:32] <Ms2ger> Matt, our automation uses fedora
1087. # [16:33] <NeilAway> ehsan: did you want an interdiff or an updated patch for bug 669026? it seems to be passing try, apart from the usual randomorange
1088. # [16:34] <Matt> Ms2ger: does that mean that the official distribution is build on Fedora?
1089. # [16:34] <Matt> this is Fedora 16?
1090. # [16:34] <bhearsum> test machines are fedora 12
1091. # [16:34] <bhearsum> build machines are still centos 5
1092. # [16:35] <ehsan> NeilAway: it would be awesome if you can submit an interdiff
1093. # [16:35] <Ms2ger> Listen to him, he's much smarter than me :)
1094. # [16:35] <NeilAway> 12 eh? I only use 10 in my vm
1095. # [16:35] <ehsan> that would make my job easier
1096. # [16:35] * Matt was afraid you would say that
1097. # [16:36] * Matt wonders if he has any hope of getting boost 1.47 to build on CentOS 5
1098. # [16:36] <Matt> bhearsum: are there plans to move to a newer Linux for builds?
1099. # [16:36] <NeilAway> ehsan: hmm, interdiff doesn't like it much
1100. # [16:37] <ehsan> NeilAway: if it's too much work, don't bother :)
1101. # [16:37] <NeilAway> ehsan: I'll try and pastebin something in a sec
1102. # [16:37] <ehsan> awesome
1103. # [16:37] <ehsan> thanks
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1105. # [16:38] <bhearsum> Matt: yes
1106. # [16:38] <bhearsum> sorry for being so curt, really busy trying to get the tree open right now
1107. # [16:39] <Matt> ok
1108. # [16:39] <Matt> I'm interested to know what platform we should use for our Linux builds if we want them to work for most people
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1110. # [16:39] <Matt> but I hate CentOS
1111. # [16:40] <Matt> no rush though… if anyone has a suggestion let me know when you have a sec
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1115. # [16:41] <bhearsum> probably best to take it to the newsgroups
1116. # [16:42] <Matt> we might not support Linux anyway
1117. # [16:42] <Matt> most Linux people are moving to MacOS anyway
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1119. # [16:42] * Matt chuckles
1120. # [16:42] <Matt> sorry, couldn't resist a little Christmas trolling
1121. # [16:43] <Matt> mozilla.dev.builds I guess
1122. # [16:43] * Matt will post there
1123. # [16:46] <Callek> Matt: as far as moving to a newer system for linux builders, I anticipate late Q1 or at most Q2 2012 that we'll be pretty much ready in terms of systems to do it.
1124. # [16:46] <Matt> Callek: do what?
1125. # [16:46] <Matt> which newer Linux?
1126. # [16:47] <Callek> Matt: not sure yet if that creates product dependancies though, and if so that means that Product Drivers would need to weigh in on when the change can happen
1127. # [16:47] <Callek> we'd be switching to Cent6
1128. # [16:47] <Matt> ah
1129. # [16:47] <Callek> which is not the absolute newest, sure. but is much newer than RHEL5
1130. # [16:47] <Matt> yeah that would be an improvement
1131. # [16:47] <Callek> (Cent5.0 is our current builders, with a few explicit rpm upgrades)
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1133. # [16:47] <Callek> (our testers are currently Fedora...)
1134. # [16:48] <Matt> ok thanks
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1140. # [16:49] <Callek> Matt: for clarity, I'm not employed by MoCo, but tracking it since I am the Releng guy for SeaMonkey, and I have been helping (in part) to setup the system that will image the new cent6 machines already... (because I have new machines in holding that I can't easily install Cent5 on, so the new setup will help me :-) )
1141. # [16:49] <nemo> Callek: whichever one is leading on distrowatch?
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1143. # [16:50] <NeilAway> ehsan: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1417425 is an interdiff of the two changed files, basically undoing most of the mac home/end keybinding changes and restoring cmd_scrollTop/Bottom
1144. # [16:50] <nemo> Callek: in terms of who appears to have the most active updaters for the game I help out w/, BSD, gentoo and ubuntu easily led the pack. Fedora is still 2 releases behind :)
1145. # [16:50] <NeilAway> ehsan: (there's also a whitespace change because along the way I trimmed some trailing whitespace)
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1147. # [16:50] <Callek> nemo: ? I am pretty sure Cent6 is the Linux distro we'd change our builders to, and I'm also pretty darn sure it will be a rhel6 based fedora we set the newer testers to as well, but I don't know of any current plans to decide what new flavor of testers we use
1148. # [16:51] <ehsan> NeilAway: LGTM!
1149. # [16:53] <NeilAway> ehsan: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1417431 are the new changes (one to fix ctrl+right near the end of an editable area, the rest are test fixes mostly to stop relying on broken behaviour)
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1152. # [16:54] <NeilAway> ehsan: the ctrl+right fix was copied from elsewhere in the file
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1158. # [16:57] <ehsan> NeilAway: looks very good
1159. # [16:57] <ehsan> just one nit:
1160. # [16:57] <ehsan> result = CompleteMove(aForward,aExtend);
1161. # [16:57] <ehsan> space after comma please :)
1162. # [16:57] <ehsan> r=me with that
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1165. # [16:57] <NeilAway> ehsan: I did say it was copy & pasted :-P
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1167. # [16:57] <ehsan> NeilAway: haha, fair enough :)
1168. # [16:58] <glazou> ehsan: hi; any idea on how I can from script force the reload from file or network of a given styleheet?
1169. # [16:58] <glazou> and only that of course
1170. # [16:58] <ehsan> glazou: force reload, as in re-downloading the file?
1171. # [16:58] <ehsan> or just reparsing it?
1172. # [16:58] <glazou> the former
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1174. # [17:00] <glazou> all what I find is not scriptable
1175. # [17:01] <ehsan> hmm
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1178. # [17:02] <ehsan> glazou: I don't know of any scriptable way to do that off-hand, except for removing the entry from the disk/mem cache
1179. # [17:02] <ehsan> which is kind of naive
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1182. # [17:02] <glazou> ehsan: and how do you do that one?
1183. # [17:03] <ehsan> nsICacheService and friends
1184. # [17:03] <ehsan> let me look it up for you
1185. # [17:03] <glazou> k
1186. # [17:03] <glazou> thanks
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1189. # [17:04] <biesi> well. you could just re-request the file using nsIChannel and the VALIDATE_ALWAYS load flag
1190. # [17:04] <biesi> but then you'll still have to reload the page
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1192. # [17:04] * biesi ponders
1193. # [17:04] <glazou> biesi: right, and since I am in an editor, I don't want to do that
1194. # [17:04] <glazou> I can't even do that
1195. # [17:04] <glazou> the page can be unsaved
1196. # [17:04] <biesi> or, you could just change the cssText property of the style sheet object
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1198. # [17:05] <glazou> biesi: there is no cssText on stylesheets, only on style rules :)à
1199. # [17:05] <glazou> $
1200. # [17:05] <biesi> really? :(
1201. # [17:05] <glazou> yep
1202. # [17:05] <glazou> one of the BIG holes of the CSS OM
1203. # [17:05] <biesi> well you could remove the <link> object
1204. # [17:05] <biesi> and add it again
1205. # [17:05] <biesi> after you did the nsIChannel thing
1206. # [17:05] <biesi> (or the nsICacheService thing)
1207. # [17:05] <glazou> that could work
1208. # [17:06] <glazou> a hack, but a workable one
1209. # [17:06] <ehsan> glazou: you can use http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/cache/nsICacheService.idl#82 visitEntries to find the entries you want to evict, and then call nsICacheSession::OpenCacheEntry to open it
1210. # [17:06] <ehsan> and then doom() it
1211. # [17:06] <biesi> ehsan, easier: createSession() openCacheEntry() + doom()
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1213. # [17:07] <glazou> and you use the url for the clientID of the session ?
1214. # [17:07] <biesi> ah, no...
1215. # [17:07] <biesi> you need to use two different cache sessions
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1217. # [17:07] <biesi> one sec
1218. # [17:08] <ehsan> biesi: yes
1219. # [17:08] <ehsan> well
1220. # [17:08] <ehsan> you want one for memcache
1221. # [17:08] <ehsan> and one for disk cache
1222. # [17:08] <ehsan> right?
1223. # [17:08] * ehsan wishes that our cache interfaces were simpler
1224. # [17:08] <biesi> sort of
1225. # [17:08] <biesi> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/protocol/http/nsHttpHandler.cpp#451
1226. # [17:08] <glazou> and I hope the style system does not cache that when the link element is gone
1227. # [17:08] <biesi> HTTP and HTTP-memory-only
1228. # [17:09] <glazou> biesi: what about local files ?
1229. # [17:09] <biesi> (but HTTP can also contain memory-cache entries)
1230. # [17:09] <biesi> local files don't get cached (by necko, anyway)
1231. # [17:09] <glazou> so my problem is in the style engine
1232. # [17:09] <glazou> even better
1233. # [17:09] <biesi> I don't know what caching the style engine does, if any
1234. # [17:09] <biesi> sorry
1235. # [17:09] <glazou> nsIDocument can delete a stylesheet
1236. # [17:10] <glazou> but that's not exposed at all to js
1237. # [17:10] <ehsan> glazou: I don't think the style system caches the stylesheet source itself
1238. # [17:10] <glazou> correct
1239. # [17:10] <glazou> but I guess that it caches the parsed version based in uri
1240. # [17:11] <glazou> so if you request it multiple times, the same stylesheet applies
1241. # [17:11] <glazou> based on even
1242. # [17:12] <biesi> I am not sure that's really true
1243. # [17:12] <biesi> but really you want dbaron or bz or someone
1244. # [17:12] <glazou> yep
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1246. # [17:12] <@dbaron> eh?
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1248. # [17:13] <glazou> hi dbaron :-)
1249. # [17:13] <glazou> did you see my question?
1250. # [17:14] <@dbaron> scriptable interface to force-reload?
1251. # [17:14] <glazou> yep
1252. # [17:14] * philor looks around for a hard-ass sheriff
1253. # [17:14] <glazou> my remote css has changed
1254. # [17:14] <glazou> and I want to see the changes applied to the current doc
1255. # [17:14] <glazou> I can't reload the *doc*
1256. # [17:14] <glazou> since it can be unsaved
1257. # [17:15] <@dbaron> So I think there are two issues there:
1258. # [17:15] <glazou> there's the ugly hack of adding a ?force=foo to the url but that's the key, it changes the URL and an editor cannot afford it
1259. # [17:15] <@dbaron> (1) something to tell the network code not to use the cache (biesi would know there better than I do)
1260. # [17:15] <@dbaron> (2) the fact that the CSS loader for a document does some caching to deal with style sheet loops, etc.
1261. # [17:16] <glazou> since I see the problem with local files too, I guess (2) is more important to me now
1262. # [17:16] <@dbaron> bz knows the loader better than I do
1263. # [17:16] <glazou> ok
1264. # [17:16] <biesi> (network code does let you do that, if you have access to the nsIChannel, but I'm not sure you can do something with the channel when cssloader requests it)
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1266. # [17:16] <@dbaron> you could probably trigger an entirely separate load of the same file if needed
1267. # [17:17] <@dbaron> anyway, bz understands the loader stuff
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1269. # [17:17] <glazou> thanks dbaron
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1273. # [17:19] <Cwiiis> when will m-i be reopening?
1274. # [17:20] <Callek> Cwiiis: hopefully today
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1276. # [17:20] <Callek> Cwiiis: releng is working on the issues
1277. # [17:20] <Cwiiis> Callek, cool, thanks
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1279. # [17:22] <smaug> surprising. Google-Mozilla deal got to Finnish economic news on TV
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1294. # [17:38] <nemo> Rouget should update his IE vs FF graphic for FF9 :)
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1297. # [17:40] <edmorley> \o/ something to star
1298. # [17:40] <Ms2ger> Hah
1299. # [17:40] <Ms2ger> Morning edmorley
1300. # [17:41] <edmorley> hi :-)
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1310. # [17:49] <nemo> hm. for one thing. even FF4 and IE9's scores are off now since the test added more stuff
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1341. # [18:21] <edmorley> KaiRo: ping
1342. # [18:21] <KaiRo> edmorley: pong
1343. # [18:21] <edmorley> KaiRo: hi
1344. # [18:22] <edmorley> is it a known issue that the "report crash via sorocco" feature lists OS as Windows NT, not WIndows 7 on the bug filing form?
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1346. # [18:23] <nemo> dbaron: heh. I had the bright idea of using your: http://dbaron.org/mozilla/invert-colors#http://people.mozilla.com/~prouget/ie9/ie9_vs_fx4.html to make the page look better when printed :)
1347. # [18:23] <nemo> dbaron: ever tried doing print preview on your svg filter? :)
1348. # [18:23] <nemo> is about as bad as the iframe stuff
1349. # [18:23] <@dbaron> nemo, nope, never tried
1350. # [18:23] <nemo> pretty awful :D
1351. # [18:23] <KaiRo> edmorley: Socorro doesn't know that it's "Windows 7", it only knows that it's "Windows 6.1.something"
1352. # [18:24] <KaiRo> sorry, "Windows NT 6.1.something"
1353. # [18:24] <edmorley> KaiRo: ah ok
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1356. # [18:25] <edmorley> sounds like there could be some mapping added to make sure the file a bug feature converts it to a more appropriate value in bugzilla then?
1357. # [18:25] <KaiRo> edmorley: that's what the crash report has, as that's what Gecko gets from the OS
1358. # [18:25] <nemo> dbaron: I'd made a compiz version of your filter so that I could set arbitrary windows to look that way (faster than svg) - unfortunately that's no good for printing dark web pages either
1359. # [18:25] <nemo> dbaron: shame. I was hoping to save a little ink on the colour printer :)
1360. # [18:25] <KaiRo> edmorley: well, there's bigger fish to fry, but feel free to report a bug on that
1361. # [18:25] <edmorley> yeah I can imagine :-)
1362. # [18:25] <edmorley> just thought i'd mention it anyway
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1377. # [18:48] <mounir> smaug: hey
1378. # [18:49] <mounir> about bug 701353, shouldn't we mark the event as handled after calling FireAsyncFoo
1379. # [18:49] <mounir> maybe it will prevent this double DOMActivate event bug?
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1381. # [18:50] <NeilAway> how do you get tbpl to show you hidden builds?
1382. # [18:51] <dholbert> add "&noignore=1" to the url
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1384. # [18:53] <NeilAway> dholbert: still only giving me 20 failures, altough the bug comment reports 39
1385. # [18:53] <dholbert> NeilAway, is this on Try?
1386. # [18:53] <Ms2ger> Look at serf-serve
1387. # [18:53] <Ms2ger> *self
1388. # [18:54] <dholbert> (yeah)
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1390. # [18:54] <dholbert> also, as of a few weeks back at least -- I think a "full" Try run does some Mac platform that's perma-orange, not sure if that's related
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1392. # [18:54] <dholbert> (triggering Try emails about known-always-failures)
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1394. # [18:55] <philor> noignore will show you that, but there's been db bustage pretty much continuously for 36 hours now, so you can either look at self-serve, or look at logs on ftp.m.o, or wait and push again maybe next week
1395. # [18:56] <smaug> mounir: pong
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1399. # [18:57] * smaug is in middle of baking cakes and rutabaga casserole, and should prepare for making dessert for tomorrow
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1401. # [18:59] <mounir> smaug: I'm also in the middle of drinking some white wine :)
1402. # [18:59] <NeilAway> dholbert: yeah
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1405. # [19:00] <smaug> mounir: of course I have some food-making drinks :) (gluhwein)
1406. # [19:01] <mounir> seems like a lot of names I don't know
1407. # [19:01] <mounir> I will have to go in the North to taste all of these
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1409. # [19:02] <Ms2ger> Hmm, cakes
1410. # [19:02] <wg9s> philor: I realize we have for some reason butted heads recently, not sure why, but I figure that answer you just gave about the state of things you realize is not ideal. Is there something I can do to help reduce the wait about a wwek time?
1411. # [19:02] <smaug> well, gluhwein is from Germany, but there isn't English word for glögi, and gluhwein is quite close to that
1412. # [19:02] * reuben wonders how many more times he'll see this: http://cl.ly/Cqb7
1413. # [19:02] <reuben> :(
1414. # [19:02] <smaug> oh, perhaps glogg
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1416. # [19:03] <philor> wg9s: only if you are a large-scale MySQL db admin or a Buildbot hacker, and can get hired and up to speed on the Friday before Christmas :)
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1419. # [19:05] <Ms2ger> wg9s, but if so, don't hesitate! ;)
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1425. # [19:06] <wg9s> phior: I am not a MySQL Admin but I do my own dailhy builds in an automated fashions based off the way the buildbots work but am not really a buildbot hacker either. SO maybe I really can't help I guess. JUst asking.
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1428. # [19:07] <dholbert> dbaron, ping?
1429. # [19:08] <@dbaron> dholbert, pong
1430. # [19:08] <wg9s> Because I am off from work until after New Years so have a lot more time to work on this kind of thing right now.
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1432. # [19:09] <edmorley> reuben: that link crashes latest nightly for me
1433. # [19:09] <dholbert> dbaron, do you know why nsTextFrames think they're replaced elements? ( http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/generic/nsTextFrame.h?mark=144-146#142 )
1434. # [19:09] <edmorley> though a different crash from the reproducable in #fx-team
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1436. # [19:09] <@dbaron> dholbert, not off the top of my head... hg annotate is often useful for figuring that sort of thing out
1437. # [19:09] <dholbert> dbaron, I did some blame-digging yesterday, but it ended up taking me back to a bug that didn't really explain it
1438. # [19:10] <dholbert> dbaron, ok -- I'll ask roc, he's the oldest source of that code that I can find
1439. # [19:10] <@dbaron> dholbert, the "XXXkipp" suggests it's really old, though
1440. # [19:10] <dholbert> dbaron, yeah
1441. # [19:10] <@dbaron> dholbert, that comment could have been moved from elsewhere
1442. # [19:10] <dholbert> dbaron, I can't trace it back past roc's CVS commit that added that code
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1444. # [19:10] <dholbert> dbaron, which was the "3.1" here: http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsblame.cgi?file=mozilla/layout/generic/nsTextFrameThebes.cpp&rev=3.1&root=/cvsroot
1445. # [19:11] <@dbaron> http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsqueryform.cgi can be used to query the full commit rather than just the file... just query by date
1446. # [19:11] <wg9s> but hen. Chump don' want no help, chump don't GET da' help!
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1448. # [19:11] <@dbaron> dholbert, that 3.1 was just a split out the .h into its own file, I think
1449. # [19:11] <dholbert> dbaron, I did that, which gives http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsquery.cgi?treeid=default&module=all&branch=HEAD&branchtype=match&dir=&file=&filetype=match&who=&whotype=match&sortby=Date&hours=2&date=explicit&mindate=2007-01-16+12%3A40&maxdate=2007-01-16+12%3A55&cvsroot=%2Fcvsroot , but the "Show me all the diffs" there doesn't show where the code came from
1450. # [19:11] <dholbert> dbaron, ah, interesting
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1452. # [19:12] <@dbaron> dholbert, oh, it was probably copied from nsTextFrame.cpp
1453. # [19:12] <@dbaron> dholbert, which may not have been touched in that commit
1454. # [19:12] <wg9s> (Barbara BillinGsley, Airplane 1980)
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1456. # [19:12] <@dbaron> dholbert, but the comment makes it seem unlikely to lead to anything useful
1457. # [19:13] <@dbaron> dholbert, if you have some reason to change it, you can work out what code would be affected if you change it, and whether that code needs adjusting
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1461. # [19:15] <dholbert> dbaron, ok. my motivation is that the flexbox spec says to wrap anonymous blocks around non-replaced inline content, which includes basic text strings (per examples in the spec)
1462. # [19:15] <dholbert> dbaron, and I was using IsFrameOfType(eReplaced) to check for replaced elements, but that ended up filtering out text
1463. # [19:15] <@dbaron> dholbert, alternatively, you could just check for text
1464. # [19:15] <@dbaron> dholbert, but maybe worth a quick skim of who else checks eReplaced
1465. # [19:15] <dholbert> dbaron, yeah, that's my current hackaround. Ok
1466. # [19:16] <mounir> smaug: will you be on vacation next week?
1467. # [19:17] <dholbert> dbaron, thanks!
1468. # [19:17] <edmorley> does http://cl.ly/Cqb7 crash latest nightly for anyone else?
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1471. # [19:18] <smaug> mounir: nope
1472. # [19:18] <smaug> well, maybe few days
1473. # [19:18] <mounir> cool :)
1474. # [19:18] <smaug> mounir: there was something wrong with that question. smaug and vacation in the same sentence
1475. # [19:19] <mounir> smaug: I don't want to assume anything :)
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1477. # [19:19] <mounir> then we will speak about that bug next week
1478. # [19:19] <smaug> k
1479. # [19:19] <mounir> and enjoy the food this week-end (and the presents optionaly)
1480. # [19:20] <smaug> have a great Christmas there in the south
1481. # [19:20] <Ms2ger> And lots of wine
1482. # [19:20] <mounir> Ms2ger: and foie gras!
1483. # [19:20] <Ms2ger> Eww
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1485. # [19:23] <dholbert> dbaron, ah, I think I found a related commit from long ago... no bug #, commit message "For now text acts like a replaced element", from 1999. :)
1486. # [19:24] <dholbert> dbaron, anyway, I'll follow your suggested strategy of see-who-checks-eReplaced (combined with what-breaks-when-I-remove-it), and go from there
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1489. # [19:26] <Ms2ger> Or you could build a time machine
1490. # [19:26] <Ms2ger> Get to know some more about Gecko, fix encodings on the web, kill Hitler
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1496. # [19:29] <bhearsum> hi all, just wanted to give you an update on the tree closure -- IT is working on upgrading and repairing the Database server that backs our Buildbots. once it's back up we _hope_ we can fill in all the missing jobs, and hope not to have any additional ones. once the server is back up, we'll have a much better idea of where we're at
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1498. # [19:31] <wg9s> bhearsum: Great news. I am sure I speak for everyone here that we really appreciate all of the hard work your team has been doing to resolve this issue.
1499. # [19:31] <bhearsum> thanks, i'll pass that along to IT, too :)
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1517. # [19:46] <smaug> I assume tree will be opened something after Christmas
1518. # [19:46] <smaug> er
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1520. # [19:46] <smaug> some time after....
1521. # [19:47] <lurking> smaug: ben posted while you were away
1522. # [19:47] <lurking> <bhearsum> hi all, just wanted to give you an update on the tree closure -- IT is working on upgrading and repairing the Database server that backs our Buildbots. once it's back up we _hope_ we can fill in all the missing jobs, and hope not to have any additional ones. once the server is back up, we'll have a much better idea of where we're at
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1525. # [19:48] <smaug> lurking: ok, thanks
1526. # [19:48] <lurking> np
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1529. # [19:49] <Ms2ger> philor, otoh, was rather more pessimistic
1530. # [19:49] <Ms2ger> Anyway, I suggest leaving the tree closed until I get up tomorrow :)
1531. # [19:50] <wg9s> smaug or perhaps after Christmas 2012. ;-)
1532. # [19:50] <philor> Ms2ger: what time will you be getting up?
1533. # [19:50] <Ms2ger> ... If we were lucky!
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1535. # [19:50] * philor schedules the reclosing
1536. # [19:50] <Ms2ger> Hah
1537. # [19:51] <wg9s> I was kind of hoping for getting the tree open today, but is not looking as promising as it was earlier.
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1543. # [19:54] <wg9s> I suppose, we could keep mozilla-central closed and open inbound very metered and manually look at logs because tbpl is not working, but that is a lot to expect people to do over Christmas holidays.
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1545. # [19:56] <wg9s> So, I think keeping things closed until tbpl is reporting correctly is rally the only choice here.
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1550. # [19:59] <wg9s> But the real issue here seems to be that the release engineering people have no real idea how tbpl works and the tbpl people really have no idea how the build system works. So, I think if we fix those issues we have a good way to go forward.
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1552. # [20:01] <wg9s> Just sayin'!
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1556. # [20:03] <philor> no, that's not it, bless your heart
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1558. # [20:05] <edmorley> I think my boot drive is about 2 steps short of not even booting :-((
1559. # [20:05] * nhirata is now known as nhirata|afk
1560. # [20:05] <lurking_work> oh noes!
1561. # [20:06] <wg9s> philor: You talkin' to me?
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1564. # [20:06] <wg9s> Just n old move reference probably from b4 your time ;-)
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1566. # [20:07] <edmorley> accessing certain files/folders result in the chirp-chirp-chirp-silence <and repeat> and then everything locks up :-/
1567. # [20:07] <Ms2ger> I think, if we fix all the stuff, we'll be good
1568. # [20:07] <Ms2ger> There goes the porn collection...
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1570. # [20:07] <wg9s> Or a Bruce Springsteen reference.
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1574. # [20:08] <wg9s> Ms2ger: I think you ar on the right track if we fix all the stuff then everything will work correctly!
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1594. # [20:41] <evilpie> i had to start using grooveshark in Chromium, because it regulary hung firefox ><
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1601. # [20:48] <dholbert> evilpie, you might be seeing https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699974 (fixed in the Gecko 11 timeframe, for current Aurora release)
1602. # [20:49] <evilpie> i am not sure, but a least a lot of threads had some scary looking npapi? function on the stack
1603. # [20:49] <evilpie> going to report this time
1604. # [20:49] <dholbert> evilpie, hmm, that sounds different
1605. # [20:49] * mattwoodrow|away is now known as mattwoodrow
1606. # [20:49] <dholbert> evilpie, yeah, please do report - thanks!
1607. # [20:49] <evilpie> the function something like setvalue getvalue or something
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1609. # [20:50] <cjones> blassey, ping
1610. # [20:50] <blassey> pong
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1612. # [20:51] <cjones> hi, have you had a chance to read over https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674725#c225 and 226?
1613. # [20:52] <blassey> cjones: I hadn't
1614. # [20:52] <blassey> but just did
1615. # [20:52] <blassey> so I'd rather not throw to do that
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1619. # [20:52] <Ms2ger> #c225 :/
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1621. # [20:53] <blassey> I'd propose you don't build GeckoSmsManager.java if WebSMS isn't enabled
1622. # [20:53] <cjones> right, i understand that
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1624. # [20:53] <cjones> the problem is that it significantly complicates error handling
1625. # [20:53] <blassey> and in GeckoAppShell, where you handle WebSms messages if its not enabled, return an error
1626. # [20:53] <joe> smaug: I emailed press@moco to tell them about that incorrect canvas acceleration article
1627. # [20:53] <cjones> vs. addinga few try / catch
1628. # [20:53] <cjones> does what mounir is saying make sense?
1629. # [20:53] <blassey> no
1630. # [20:53] <cjones> the error handling is specified by the DOM spec
1631. # [20:54] <Ms2ger> mounir making sense? :)
1632. # [20:54] <cjones> so if we remote GeckoSmsManager, we have to duplicate the error handling logic
1633. # [20:54] <cjones> *remove
1634. # [20:54] <cjones> if we leave it in, we have another try/catch or two
1635. # [20:54] <cjones> and all the logic is in the same place
1636. # [20:54] <cjones> that seems much more maintainable to me
1637. # [20:54] <cjones> for both of us
1638. # [20:54] <cjones> (sms-enabled and sms-disabled)
1639. # [20:55] <cjones> this is like pref'ing off a feature vs ifdef'ing it out
1640. # [20:55] * blassey looks at GeckoSmsManager
1641. # [20:55] <blassey> cjones: I understand, but we decidedly want to ifdef it off
1642. # [20:55] <blassey> or at least the android implementation
1643. # [20:55] <cjones> we definitely want to ifdef out the permission requests
1644. # [20:55] <cjones> no one disagrees with that, for the purposes of landing the existing code
1645. # [20:56] <cjones> the question is whether to ifdef out all of geckosmsmanager, *in addition* to the permission requests
1646. # [20:56] <cjones> i'm saying that looks like a bad trade, since it makes maintenance much harder
1647. # [20:56] <cjones> not sure what we gain by doing that
1648. # [20:57] <blassey> I disagree with mounir's assessment
1649. # [20:57] <blassey> there is only one method there that returns a value
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1651. # [20:58] <blassey> where is this error handling logic in geckosmsmanager
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1653. # [20:58] <cjones> it's all async
1654. # [20:58] <cjones> there are jni tendrils all over the place
1655. # [20:58] <cjones> i'm just trying to understand what you want to achieve by ifdef'ing out all of the geckosmsmanager code
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1657. # [20:59] <blassey> this is a lot of code where things can go wrong for no reason
1658. # [20:59] <blassey> we're not going to be testing it thoroughly for fennec
1659. # [20:59] <cjones> what are you concerned about?
1660. # [20:59] <cjones> sure we will
1661. # [20:59] <blassey> because the feature will be disabled
1662. # [20:59] <cjones> there will be tests for the disabled behavior
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1664. # [21:00] <cjones> there should be already, not sure if mounir has gotten around to that
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1666. # [21:00] <blassey> there's a difference between automated testing and user testing
1667. # [21:00] <nemo> http://blogs.adobe.com/dreamweaver/2011/02/optimal-css-tiled-background-image-size.html - say. is this at all true?
1668. # [21:00] <cjones> indeed
1669. # [21:00] <nemo> I'm astounded a 1x1 tiled background cannot be trivially optimised
1670. # [21:01] <cjones> what does that difference have to do with websms?
1671. # [21:01] <blassey> and the things I'm worried about (exploitable crash for instance) are the types of things that are found by user testing
1672. # [21:01] <blassey> we don't have the user test base for fennec nightly/aurora/beta that would tickle the edges of a disabled feature
1673. # [21:01] <blassey> but we do in release
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1675. # [21:02] <cjones> that's true of everything we pref off
1676. # [21:02] <blassey> so I'd rather not ship largely untested (in that way) code in release
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1678. # [21:02] <cjones> the API is going to ship anyway
1679. # [21:02] * shorlander is now known as shorlander-away
1680. # [21:02] <cjones> we have the choice of maintaining one code path or two
1681. # [21:02] <cjones> i think the risk of issues is higher with two paths
1682. # [21:03] <blassey> I can't imagine the error handling gets more complicated if we don't ship this code
1683. # [21:03] <cjones> it gets duplicated
1684. # [21:03] <cjones> that means two code paths
1685. # [21:04] <blassey> if you want to get pedantic about it we'd have two code paths no matter what for disabled and enabled
1686. # [21:05] <blassey> having those two code paths go through the same file does not make that any less so
1687. # [21:05] <cjones> no
1688. # [21:05] <cjones> the normal impl has to handle those error cases anyway
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1695. # [21:09] <cjones> anyway, catching odd bugs in api usage is what we have fuzzers for
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1699. # [21:11] <dolske> nemo: I'm pretty sure we optimize 1x1 images to just a color.
1700. # [21:11] <nemo> dolske: yeah. I'm reading the comments, and it looks like the only browser that had trouble was IE7
1701. # [21:11] <nemo> "I used the biggest screen I could find (1920×1200) and maximized my browser window. I do not see any rendering lag in most browsers (FF3.6, Chrome9, Safari4/5), or on my Motorola Droid Android 2.2.1 (845×480)."
1702. # [21:11] <nemo> "But, IE7 has problems. Interesting that they seem to have optimized the 1×1 tiling case, so that prompted me to add the 2×2 page (which is hoorendous until cached). I even see a lag on the 10×10 case."
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1704. # [21:12] <ehsan> dbaron: ping
1705. # [21:12] <@dbaron> ehsan, pong
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1707. # [21:12] <ehsan> dbaron: hey, a question about NS_StackWalk
1708. # [21:12] <ehsan> dbaron: I need to teach it to walk stacks of other threads as well
1709. # [21:13] <ehsan> dbaron: do you think adding an nsIThread* param which defaults to null meaning the current thread is a good idea?
1710. # [21:13] <@dbaron> ehsan, if you have a good way of implementing that, seems reasonable... though not sure if you want nsIThread* or PRThread*
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1712. # [21:14] <Ms2ger> JSThread*?: )
1713. # [21:14] <ehsan> dbaron: I could go with whichever you prefer
1714. # [21:14] <@dbaron> ehsan, if it's easy to get a PRThread* from an nsIThread* the latter may be better
1715. # [21:15] <@dbaron> er, PRThread* may be better
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1717. # [21:15] <ehsan> let me look
1718. # [21:16] <ehsan> dbaron: nsIThread has a PRThread attribute :)
1719. # [21:16] <@dbaron> ehsan, so, yeah, PRThread* may be better
1720. # [21:16] <ehsan> BenWa: it's interesting that vladan just asked me about stackwalking other threads :)
1721. # [21:16] <ehsan> dbaron: sounds good
1722. # [21:16] <ehsan> thanks
1723. # [21:16] <@dbaron> ehsan, not that I have any idea how you're going to implement the rest, but...
1724. # [21:16] <BenWa> ehsan: I overheard a bit. I think we can only support that on windows?
1725. # [21:17] <ehsan> dbaron: the windows impl is easy, don't know about the rest yet
1726. # [21:17] <vladan> BenWa: there must be some way to SuspendThread on other OSs
1727. # [21:17] <ehsan> BenWa: probably
1728. # [21:17] <BenWa> vladan: There is on mac
1729. # [21:17] <ehsan> BenWa: on platforms where we signal, we don't really need to do that cause the handler runs on the target thread, right?
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1731. # [21:18] <BenWa> ehsan: Yes, that's currently all of non windows
1732. # [21:18] * armenzg_brb is now known as armenzg
1733. # [21:18] <ehsan> BenWa: ok, so I'll just abort on other platforms for now ;)
1734. # [21:18] <BenWa> But it would be great if we could get mac to work with a specific thread, then we could use the platform-mac on mac instead of platform-linux
1735. # [21:19] <BenWa> I wouldn't abort, maybe just return empty
1736. # [21:19] <ehsan> cd xpcom
1737. # [21:19] <ehsan> ah
1738. # [21:19] <BenWa> 'xpcom' not found
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1740. # [21:19] <Ms2ger> rm -rf BenWa
1741. # [21:19] <ehsan> BenWa: I would abort to make sure that nobody expects the API to do things it cannot do
1742. # [21:20] <vladan> ehsan: so then the chromehang code wouldn't be enable under non-Windows?
1743. # [21:21] <ehsan> vladan: no, on other platforms you would just raise a signal and stackwalk in the signal handler
1744. # [21:21] <ehsan> the same way that the profiler is going to do that
1745. # [21:22] <BenWa> I think the code may already return empty if there's not sufficient info to walk the stack
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1747. # [21:23] <BenWa> so logically it would do the same if it can't handle a thread handle
1748. # [21:23] <ehsan> BenWa: vladan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713278
1749. # [21:23] <BenWa> thanks
1750. # [21:23] <ehsan> BenWa: let's leave that to dbaron to decide :)
1751. # [21:23] <BenWa> yea, np
1752. # [21:24] <ehsan> dammit
1753. # [21:24] <ehsan> mdn is offline
1754. # [21:24] <Ms2ger> No kidding
1755. # [21:24] <BenWa> it's been down for several days
1756. # [21:24] <ehsan> awesome
1757. # [21:24] <vladan> btw, there is a thr_suspend/thr_continue.. and also looks like there's a way to send a signal to a specific thread
1758. # [21:24] <BenWa> well at least yesterday. That's an internet year
1759. # [21:24] <vladan> pthread_kill(2)
1760. # [21:25] <dolske> it's been up and down over the past few days. http://status.mozilla.com/
1761. # [21:25] <BenWa> vladan: Check platform-linux.cc, we use that
1762. # [21:25] <Ms2ger> More down than up
1763. # [21:26] <BenWa> Let's not start a cloud service :P
1764. # [21:27] <vladan> BenWa: oic tgkil
1765. # [21:27] <Ms2ger> "Mozilla in the cloud - you may be able to work every other day!"
1766. # [21:27] <BenWa> vladan: tgkil and pthread_kill for mac
1767. # [21:27] <BenWa> "Now you have to excuse to random vacations"
1768. # [21:27] <ehsan> does anybody know what's the right way of getting a HANDLE from a PRThread*?
1769. # [21:27] <ehsan> dbaron: ^
1770. # [21:28] <Ms2ger> Pray
1771. # [21:30] <@dbaron> ehsan, nope
1772. # [21:30] <ehsan> hmm
1773. # [21:31] <ehsan> seems like that is not something that is possible
1774. # [21:31] <Ms2ger> Things that are impossible only take longer
1775. # [21:34] <ehsan> dbaron: would you r- my patch if I read the handle from the guts of PRThread? :)
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1779. # [21:35] <khuey|christmas> ehsan: is the PRThread* in question the current thread?
1780. # [21:35] <khuey|christmas> if not, I think you have to poke into the PRThread struct
1781. # [21:35] <sfink> just #ifdef DRAGONS
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1783. # [21:35] <ehsan> khuey|christmas: no, it's not the current thread
1784. # [21:36] <dolske> you should just store a mapping in a sqlite DB.
1785. # [21:36] <ehsan> hmm
1786. # [21:36] <ehsan> well
1787. # [21:36] <ehsan> primpl.h is a private header
1788. # [21:37] <ehsan> which I can't even access :(
1789. # [21:37] <dolske> you could put the header in a sqlite DB too.
1790. # [21:37] * dolske is on an unhelpfull roll. :P
1791. # [21:38] <sfink> dolske's well into the eggnog
1792. # [21:38] <ehsan> what a pile of crap
1793. # [21:38] <ehsan> I'll just use a HANDLE directly
1794. # [21:38] <khuey|christmas> LOCAL_INCLUDES
1795. # [21:38] * khuey|christmas ducks
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1797. # [21:38] <ehsan> stupid nspr abstractions
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1803. # [21:39] <sfink> nspr would be great if it didn't have the p. Or the ns.
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1806. # [21:42] <Ms2ger> Or the r
1807. # [21:43] <Ms2ger> Also, if I got a release, ted
1808. # [21:43] <Ms2ger> In particular, it would be better if it were called mfbt
1809. # [21:44] <bhearsum> all: it's looking like the database issues are going to be worked out in the next 30min-1h - once the DB looks fine, i'm going to retrigger some jobs, and make sure all results show up
1810. # [21:44] <bhearsum> after than, we can re-open the tree
1811. # [21:44] <bhearsum> philor: ^
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1815. # [21:46] <ehsan> BenWa: how do you like this? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1418069
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1820. # [21:50] <sfink> now you just need to write the ptrace-based implementations for unixy OSes and you're all good! (j/k; please don't bother)
1821. # [21:51] <Ms2ger> But does it support OS/2?
1822. # [21:51] <Ms2ger> Or BeOS?
1823. # [21:51] <Ms2ger> Or OpenBSD?
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1825. # [21:53] <ehsan> sfink: I mostly care about windows at this point :P
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1827. # [21:54] <Ms2ger> Boo!
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1837. # [22:02] <vladan> ehsan: should NS_StackWalk be the one that suspends execution of the foreign thread or should the caller do that?
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1852. # [22:17] <ehsan> vladan: that's the caller's responsibility
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1855. # [22:18] <vladan> may we should we add a warning to the function header
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1861. # [22:26] <edmorley> "Adding 184 bad clusters to the Bad Clusters File." :-(
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1899. # [22:55] <cpeterson> vladan: is the thread run state something that could be asserted in debug builds?
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1901. # [22:56] <bhearsum> folks, i'm bringing up the buildbot masters again - things are looking back to noromal, i hope to have the trees open shortly
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1905. # [22:58] <bhearsum> anyone here planning a push soon?
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1907. # [22:58] <tbsaunde> bhearsum: I could if you want
1908. # [22:59] <bhearsum> tbsaunde: that'd be great - do you know how to push through the tree closure hook?
1909. # [22:59] <vladan> cpeterson: looks like it's possible to query the execution state under Windows (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa394494.aspx).. the check wouldn't make as much sense on other platforms (assuming we're going to send the main thread a signal and cause the sighandler to walk the stack)
1910. # [22:59] <hub> I would if I could :-)
1911. # [22:59] * NeilAway also has something he could push
1912. # [22:59] <tbsaunde> bhearsum: yeah, CLOSEDTREE :)
1913. # [22:59] <bhearsum> tbsaunde: ok, great - please do!
1914. # [22:59] <bhearsum> are you pushing to inbound?
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1916. # [23:00] <smaug> I have few patches to push
1917. # [23:00] <bhearsum> just one for now, please
1918. # [23:00] <smaug> k
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1920. # [23:02] <NeilAway> oh, you want inbound? nm
1921. # [23:02] <bhearsum> no doesn't matter
1922. # [23:02] * NeilAway doesn't have an inbound tree
1923. # [23:02] <bhearsum> i'm just wondering where to look
1924. # [23:03] <tbsaunde> bhearsum: yes, though that's another minute
1925. # [23:03] <bhearsum> np
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1936. # [23:12] <tbsaunde> bhearsum: done, sorry that took so long
1937. # [23:12] <bhearsum> thanks!
1938. # [23:14] <tbsaunde> yw!
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1950. # [23:24] <edmorley> I'd forgotten how much of a nightmare it is to get a working windows build environment
1951. # [23:24] <edmorley> trying to setup my old laptop, now that my desktop drive is on the way out
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1954. # [23:25] <edmorley> if you don't install vs2010 pro and try to use express (like an average contributor might) it's a right pain
1955. # [23:26] <edmorley> no wonder we don't have more windows devs
1956. # [23:27] <darktrojan> I've got 2010 express and it was ok, but that was an upgrade from 2008 express
1957. # [23:27] <tn> edmorley, after the fifth time setting one up you start to get a hang of it
1958. # [23:27] <edmorley> well my desktop used vc2010 pro since I have an msdn subscription lying around
1959. # [23:28] * smaug did setup windows build env once 2 years ago. Used it for couple of weeks and abandoned it :)
1960. # [23:28] <edmorley> but it's a much larger download/install for soemthing that other than the compiler I'm not even going to use
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1963. # [23:29] <edmorley> so I thought I'd try express to lighten the amount of crap I have to install on my laptop just to compile
1964. # [23:29] <edmorley> but the installer complains about not having .NET 4
1965. # [23:29] <darktrojan> yeah :(
1966. # [23:29] <edmorley> so you go to install that, only to then be told that "oh no, you have .NET 4, what you need is .NET 4 full"
1967. # [23:29] <darktrojan> >100MB just to get a compiler
1968. # [23:30] <edmorley> by which point windows update has started updating .net 4 so the .net full installer cannot continue until the stupid updater finishes (which took 15 mins to install a mere 5 security updates to .net 4)
1969. # [23:30] <edmorley> and so on...
1970. # [23:31] <darktrojan> didn't you get all that crap with the vs installer?
1971. # [23:31] <edmorley> laptop
1972. # [23:31] <edmorley> vs desktop
1973. # [23:32] <darktrojan> yeah but the express installer downloads it all for you
1974. # [23:32] <darktrojan> or it did for me
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1976. # [23:34] <edmorley> who knows
1977. # [23:35] <edmorley> I'm just concerned that if it's this much hassle for me to do when I've had a vs2010 pro env setup before, a lot of newbies are just going to give up halfway through
1978. # [23:36] <darktrojan> I did, the first time
1979. # [23:36] <edmorley> aren't the ATL references here out of date too? https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Windows_SDK_versions
1980. # [23:36] <darktrojan> maybe we only want newbies with sticking power anyway?
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1983. # [23:37] <edmorley> I think we put enough hurdles in there way with bugzilla and the review process as it is perhaps :-)
1984. # [23:39] <NeilAway> you could just download the w7 sdk, that includes the express compiler
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1986. # [23:39] <darktrojan> it does?
1987. # [23:40] <darktrojan> that should be written down somewhere
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1989. # [23:41] <reuben> edmorley, I think the review process is great for beginners when done right. it helps them build confidence on their code
1990. # [23:41] <edmorley> I agree
1991. # [23:41] <reuben> and bugzilla isn't that bad either IMO
1992. # [23:41] <edmorley> I just mean things like "review?"
1993. # [23:42] <edmorley> (ie no reviewer)
1994. # [23:42] <edmorley> figuring out mercurial, mq
1995. # [23:42] <reuben> yeah. figuring a way to handle that is in the developer engagement planning page
1996. # [23:43] <gcp> who in Mozilla is an SQLite expert?
1997. # [23:43] <edmorley> I meant more in the sense that adding in extra steps at the build stage to make things harder for windows devs, "to filter out those that don't have sticking power" (to paraphrase) isn't needed (not that it's deliberate)
1998. # [23:43] <jfkthame> reuben: apparently you cancelled a tryserver job of mine - wondering why, is there a problem?
1999. # [23:44] <reuben> jfkthame, I cancelled mine… if it affected yours, it was by accident
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2001. # [23:44] <reuben> D:
2002. # [23:44] <jfkthame> the log for mine says "The web-page 'stop build' button was pressed by 'reuben.morais@gmail.com'"
2003. # [23:45] <edmorley> Christmas sherry + buildapi don't mix clearly! ;-)
2004. # [23:45] <reuben> yea, I clicked that button, but on the page for my push… sorry! :(
2005. # [23:45] <jfkthame> huh, buildbot is drinking already?
2006. # [23:46] <khuey|christmas> buildbot is an alcoholic
2007. # [23:46] <jfkthame> reuben: never mind, i've re-triggered it, will check for results in the morning
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2010. # [23:48] <bhearsum> ok, the first few test jobs that have come in are looking good
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2012. # [23:49] * reuben notes to himself: if it's red, not fully visible, got a big X, and you've never used it before, don't click it
2013. # [23:50] <Callek> anyone know of a demo of https://wiki.mozilla.org/Gecko:FullScreenAPI
2014. # [23:50] * Callek wants to check if that feature works in SeaMonkey out of the box, or if we're missing front-end support somewhere
2015. # [23:50] <smaug> there is one somewhere...
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2017. # [23:51] <smaug> Callek: http://html5-demos.appspot.com/static/fullscreen.html has a simple demo
2018. # [23:51] <Callek> smaug: thanks
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2020. # [23:51] <smaug> but there is better somewhere...
2021. # [23:52] <khuey|christmas> http://jlongster.com/2011/11/21/canvas.html
2022. # [23:53] <darktrojan> http://blog.pearce.org.nz/2011/11/firefoxs-html-full-screen-api-enabled.html
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2024. # [23:55] <Callek> great thanks guys
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2026. # [23:55] <Callek> (looks like SM needs Front End support, as I suspected)
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