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17. # [00:11] <edmorley> today's winner of the most helpful error award goes to: "Installation of the "Microsoft Windows SDK for Windows 7 Compilers for x86" product has reported the following error: Fatal error during installation."
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19. # [00:13] <smaug> bhearsum: still some problems with Android, or why were some builds restarted?
20. # [00:13] <bhearsum> smaug: with missing jobs?
21. # [00:13] <philor> or do you mean the blue auto-RETRY ones?
22. # [00:14] <bhearsum> the missing android test jobs will show up shortly
23. # [00:14] <smaug> oh, those are auto-retry
24. # [00:14] <smaug> documentation says just "build has been restarted"
25. # [00:14] <smaug> for blue
26. # [00:14] <bhearsum> isn't that the same thing?
27. # [00:14] <smaug> I thought some manual restarting
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29. # [00:15] <lurking_work> I thought those auto-restart's still showed the restarted job in progress, so far none for m7 or pn
30. # [00:15] <philor> that's because the redone one is already finished, and not yet showing
31. # [00:16] <bhearsum> ok, i see the master adding those missing android test jobs to status db
32. # [00:16] <lurking_work> yay
33. # [00:16] <bhearsum> they should be on TBPL in ~5min
34. # [00:16] * lurking_work shuts-up and watches
35. # [00:17] <bhearsum> there's some of them
36. # [00:17] <philor> waagh, busted mac build
37. # [00:17] <bhearsum> yeah, that's my fault =\
38. # [00:17] <bhearsum> fixing all those complaining mac slaves from #buildduty
39. # [00:18] <philor> ah, you get to killing, it's hard to stop :)
40. # [00:18] <philor> I, um, I've heard
41. # [00:18] <bhearsum> :)
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43. # [00:21] <bhearsum> there we go
44. # [00:22] <bhearsum> tegra jobs just got filled in
45. # [00:22] <bhearsum> philor: the tree, she's in your hands now
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47. # [00:23] <darktrojan> that's an improvement
48. # [00:23] <philor> bhearsum: thank you, for the last couple of days :)
49. # [00:23] <bhearsum> thank you, too
50. # [00:23] <bhearsum> and IT
51. # [00:23] <bhearsum> and bear
52. # [00:23] <bhearsum> and the christmas fairies
53. # [00:24] * bhearsum is now known as bhearsum|afk
54. # [00:24] <darktrojan> everybody have tomorrow off as a reward
55. # [00:24] <bhearsum|afk> is that snark? =\
56. # [00:24] <darktrojan> maybe
57. # [00:24] <lurking_work> bhearsum|afk: thanks for your hard work - Merry Christmas
58. # [00:25] <bhearsum|afk> yw
59. # [00:25] <bhearsum|afk> cheers all
60. # [00:25] * lurking_work is really hoping we don't see you again - not anytime soon anyhow
61. # [00:25] <bhearsum|afk> :D
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70. # [00:34] * wg9s would just hope this issue gets fixed so bug 703878 fix gets merged to m-c so builds work again.
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77. # [00:39] * philor changes topic to 'm-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: January 31 || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || "if you like the way it's working, just you wait five minutes"'
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88. # [00:50] <philor> khuey|christmas: I will gladly pay you next Tuesday, for a merge of 2a1f2758ad0d to m-c today (if you're still being actually around despite your holiday tail)
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90. # [00:53] <wg9s> Hmm a Wimpy fan?
91. # [00:54] <Callek> philor: I'm going to be around for a few more hours, so if you want to do the actual merge, I can be on the hook for you
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93. # [00:55] <wg9s> actually J. Wellington Wimpy, "I will glady pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today"
94. # [00:55] <smaug> Callek: want to watch the tree for me?
95. # [00:55] <smaug> I could land two patches
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97. # [00:55] <Callek> smaug: no problem
98. # [00:55] <smaug> great
99. # [00:56] <khuey|christmas> philor: inbound tip?
100. # [00:56] <khuey|christmas> oh
101. # [00:56] <khuey|christmas> my stuff
102. # [00:57] * khuey|christmas can do that
103. # [00:57] <edmorley> I was about to, unless you have it started?
104. # [00:57] <khuey|christmas> you can do it :-)
105. # [00:58] * khuey|christmas doesn't have to qpop this way
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110. # [00:59] <edmorley> i hate qpopping (without ccache)
111. # [00:59] <edmorley> luckily my tree is clean for now, after the antics today with my desktop
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113. # [00:59] <smaug> Callek: done
114. # [01:00] <Callek> smaug: no problem, I'll keep an eye on it
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117. # [01:00] <Callek> edmorley: am I going to be on the hook for the m-i merge too, or just smaug's?
118. # [01:00] * Callek just wants to be sure :-)
119. # [01:01] <edmorley> I'll be up for another 90 mins at least
120. # [01:01] <Callek> edmorley: sure, then just let me know when you go away :-)
121. # [01:01] <edmorley> and by 90 minutes, that's 90 Ed minutes, so probably another 4 hours ;-)
122. # [01:01] <edmorley> sure
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126. # [01:03] <hub> edmorley: living in a black hole or something? ;-)
127. # [01:04] <edmorley> I sometimes wonder
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129. # [01:06] <edmorley> or in this case, I've been updating MDN build docs rather than packing bags in time for my train tomorrow
130. # [01:06] <edmorley> at least it's productive procrastination :-)
131. # [01:07] <hub> productive is key :-)
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134. # [01:15] <decoder> NS_ERROR is a no-op in non-debug build right?
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136. # [01:16] <smaug> yes http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/glue/nsDebug.h#180
137. # [01:16] <decoder> thx. i was just confused by the static analysis result
138. # [01:16] <decoder> because it went straight to an NS_ERROR
139. # [01:16] <decoder> and jumped over it
140. # [01:16] <decoder> i didnt know it's debug only
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148. # [01:23] <khuey|christmas> what's a train?
149. # [01:24] <hub> khuey|christmas: some transportation mode barely know in North America anymore
150. # [01:24] <hub> khuey|christmas: it is greener than cars
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152. # [01:26] <wg9s> khuey|christmas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5YoLjYD8QE
153. # [01:27] <decoder> short question: in this analysis: http://users.own-hero.net/~decoder/mozilla/report/2011-12-21-1/report-CZr61x.html#EndPath the overall problem is that the function (cvt_f) will violate memory safety if called with a wrong | type | argument. In debug mode it will throw an error. I checked the use of this function and it's only used once and correct, but whats the general guideline there?
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157. # [01:27] <decoder> do we want to make such functions even safe in opt builds (e.g. return on wrong usage?)
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160. # [01:29] <khuey|christmas> wg9s: hah
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162. # [01:30] <khuey|christmas> decoder: in general we do not
163. # [01:30] <edmorley> khuey|christmas: it's what people living in London have to use when lack of parking spaces / levels of traffic mean a car isn't much use the rest of the time
164. # [01:30] <khuey|christmas> decoder: unless we have reason to believe that the assertions may not hold ...
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166. # [01:31] <decoder> khuey|christmas: ok so the code is good as it is right?
167. # [01:32] <khuey|christmas> decoder: if it asserts against input conditions that would cause unsafe behavior, yes
168. # [01:32] <decoder> okay
169. # [01:33] <decoder> the NS_ERROR there is sort of an assert what you mean I assume
170. # [01:33] <khuey|christmas> yes
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172. # [01:33] <decoder> good, ill put this warning on my suppression list then
173. # [01:33] <khuey|christmas> NS_ERROR, NS_ASSERTION, JS_ASSERT, something like that
174. # [01:33] <dholbert> NS_ERROR("whatever") is effectively NS_ASSERTION(false, "whatever")
175. # [01:34] <decoder> ah ok
176. # [01:34] <khuey|christmas> NS_ABORT_IF_FALSE
177. # [01:34] <dholbert> (as is NS_NOTREACHED)
178. # [01:34] <khuey|christmas> there are probably more
179. # [01:34] * decoder moves to next file.. only a few hundred to go^^
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181. # [01:35] <darktrojan> open \o/
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186. # [01:40] <Callek> bear-afk: hrm, I'm seeing a strange amount of Blue on m-c atm
187. # [01:40] <lurking_work> Callek: Looks like moz2-linux64-slave02 is common to all those blue's maybe
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189. # [01:41] <Callek> lurking_work: not all, there is an android-xul blue as well
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191. # [01:41] <darktrojan> there's one or two on inbound too
192. # [01:42] <Callek> darktrojan: I could at _least_ 6 in the most frequent m-i pushes
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194. # [01:42] <Callek> darktrojan: but yea, at least 4 blue's on linux64-02
195. # [01:42] * Callek guesses thats "can't free enough space"
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197. # [01:43] <darktrojan> vote it off the island
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203. # [01:48] <ejpbruel> so whats the reason we are loading data url's synchronously?
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212. # [01:53] <NeilAway> ejpbruel: because we can?
213. # [01:53] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: i think were having some timing issues because of it
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215. # [01:55] <khuey|christmas> I doubt that's something we can change without breaking all sorts of stuff
216. # [01:55] <wg9s> That seems odd. Usually Timing issues have to do with race conditions having to do with trying to do things asynchronously.
217. # [01:55] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: we have a DOMContentLoaded event handler that accesses the title of a tab. the tab title is updated in response to a DOMTitleChanged event. the former event is dispatched synchronously, the latter asynchronously, so i think they arrive in the wrong order (we expect tab title to be set when DOMContentLoaded is received)
218. # [01:55] <ejpbruel> wg9s: im not too familiar with how the event system works under the hood
219. # [01:56] <ejpbruel> wg9s: conceivably an event could either be dispatched immediately or put on a queue? (i know of similar race conditions when doing stuff with setTimeout 0 in js)
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221. # [01:57] <smaug> ejpbruel: DOMTitleChanged is in now way bound to DOMContentLoaded
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223. # [01:57] <smaug> there can be DOMTitleChanged events before DOMContentLoaded or after
224. # [01:57] <ejpbruel> smaug: yeah, i know
225. # [01:58] <smaug> s/now/no/
226. # [01:58] <ejpbruel> smaug: so the assertion that the tab title is set when DOMContentLoaded is fired is fundamentally wrong?
227. # [01:58] <ejpbruel> smaug: when i say set, i mean that the tab title is no longer "connecting..."
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230. # [01:58] <smaug> well, you may not get DOMTitleChanged at all
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233. # [02:00] <ejpbruel> smaug: what causes DOMTitleChanged to be fired?
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235. # [02:00] <smaug> look at nsHTMLTitleElement.cpp
236. # [02:00] <smaug> for example adding <title> to document
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238. # [02:00] <smaug> or changing the contents of <title>
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241. # [02:01] <ejpbruel> smaug: so the use case here is we're creating a new tab and load a data url in it with a <title> element in there
242. # [02:02] <ejpbruel> smaug: in that case at least, DOMTitleChanged event should fire always, right?
243. # [02:02] <smaug> looks like fire the event in few other cases too, like when restoring a page from bfcache...
244. # [02:02] <smaug> and content sink fires it too
245. # [02:03] <smaug> hmm, that last one is a bit ugly
246. # [02:03] <ejpbruel> smaug: could you please take a look at bug 701591?
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249. # [02:03] <smaug> ejpbruel: DOMTitleChanged should fire at some point yes
250. # [02:03] <smaug> does it not?
251. # [02:03] <smaug> looking
252. # [02:04] <ejpbruel> simply put, the problem is that we expect the tab title to be set when DOMContentLoaded is received. but since, as you said, DOMTitleChanged could fire *after* that event, thats not necessarily true (since the tab title is updated in response to DOMTitleChanged)
253. # [02:04] <ejpbruel> smaug: it doesnt for data url's
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257. # [02:05] <smaug> ejpbruel: at all?
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260. # [02:06] <ejpbruel> smaug: DOMTitleChanged does fire, but only after DOMContentLoaded, so when we check the tab title, its still set to 'connecting...'
261. # [02:07] <smaug> well, why are you checking the title at that point?
262. # [02:07] <darktrojan> why are you checking the tab title instead of the document title?
263. # [02:07] * darktrojan reads the bug.. oh right
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265. # [02:08] <ejpbruel> darktrojan: smaug: bug 68268 furthre explains why
266. # [02:08] <ejpbruel> sorry, bug 682681
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268. # [02:09] <darktrojan> ignore me, I'm just throwing in comments from the sidelines
269. # [02:09] <wg9s> OH good because i followed the first link and got lost completely
270. # [02:09] <dria> 15
271. # [02:10] <smaug> ejpbruel: hmm, actually, DOMContentLoaded is async in your case
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274. # [02:11] <ejpbruel> smaug: how can you tell?
275. # [02:11] <smaug> DOMContentLoaded is normally async
276. # [02:11] <smaug> nsDocument::EndLoad()
277. # [02:12] <wg9s> dria 42
278. # [02:12] <tbsaunde> anyone have msvc 2005 and can see if it compiles http://paste.debian.net/150070/ for me?
279. # [02:12] <smaug> ejpbruel: sync is used only with data documents http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/xml/document/src/nsXMLDocument.cpp#584
280. # [02:12] <ejpbruel> smaug: but we're talking about data documents
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282. # [02:13] <smaug> ejpbruel: how so?
283. # [02:13] <smaug> you're talking about data: urls
284. # [02:13] <smaug> not data documents
285. # [02:13] <smaug> XHR creates data documents
286. # [02:13] <smaug> document.implementation.createdocument creates data documents
287. # [02:14] <ejpbruel> smaug: i see. im sorry, i wasnt aware those were distinct concepts
288. # [02:14] <smaug> so, someone should document what and when those events are dispatched
289. # [02:14] <smaug> s/document/debug/
290. # [02:14] <smaug> asdfh
291. # [02:15] <ejpbruel> ive already added some log statements, hold on
292. # [02:15] <smaug> too late here, obviously :)
293. # [02:15] <smaug> ejpbruel: the interesting part is to know when the runnables are dispatched
294. # [02:15] <ejpbruel> so mSynchronousDOMContentLoaded should be true for data documents, but not for data url's?
295. # [02:16] <smaug> ejpbruel: well, it can be true for data documents which have been loaded from data urls
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297. # [02:16] <smaug> ejpbruel: but if you load anything to a tab, it shouldn't be a data document
298. # [02:16] <ejpbruel> smaug: what exactly *is* a data document?
299. # [02:17] <ejpbruel> in our test case, we're loading the following data url: data:text/html,<title>tab 1</title>
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301. # [02:17] <smaug> data document is a document without associated 'window' nor visual presentation
302. # [02:18] <smaug> ejpbruel: right, so, could you debug what is dispatching DOMTitleChanged and DOMContentLoaded
303. # [02:18] <ejpbruel> smaug: sure
304. # [02:18] <ejpbruel> smaug: DOMContentLoaded looks like its dispatched from EndLoad()
305. # [02:18] <smaug> ejpbruel: and since those are async, check what is creating the runnables to dispatch those
306. # [02:18] <ejpbruel> smaug: DOMTitleChanged im not sure yet
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308. # [02:19] <smaug> ejpbruel: sure, but seeing the full stack could be useful
309. # [02:19] <ejpbruel> smaug: i know what a runnable is, but im not 100% sure what you mean there
310. # [02:20] <smaug> nsDocument::EndLoad() dispatches the runnable which will end up dispatching DOMContentLoaded
311. # [02:21] <smaug> same thing happen with DOMTitleChanged
312. # [02:21] <smaug> something dispatches a runnable
313. # [02:21] <smaug> well, that something is nsDocument::NotifyPossibleTitleChange
314. # [02:21] <smaug> but would be useful to know what is calling that method
315. # [02:23] <Callek> tbsaunde: doing a cl.exe of taht I get |LINK : fatal error LNK1561: entry point must be defined| wanna provide an actual commandline?
316. # [02:24] <ejpbruel> smaug: ehm, i have to say from looking at the code for nsEventDispatcher::Dispatch that its not obvious to me how and where a runnable is dispatched
317. # [02:25] <smaug> that has nothing to do with runnables
318. # [02:25] <ejpbruel> smaug: then im confused :) where so EndLoad() dispatch a runnable?
319. # [02:25] <smaug> ejpbruel: nsDocument::EndLoad() calls NS_DispatchToCurrentThread
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321. # [02:25] <ejpbruel> smaug: d'oh! Ive been looking at nsXMLDocument
322. # [02:25] <ejpbruel> obviously, its late here too
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324. # [02:26] <smaug> yeah, I think it is time to sleep.
325. # [02:26] <ejpbruel> smaug: well, thanks for the pointers
326. # [02:26] <smaug> good night and Merry Christmas you all!
327. # [02:26] <ejpbruel> happy holidays smaug
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329. # [02:26] <Callek> tbsaunde: soooo while I have this, what command should I run to do it without linking here?
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332. # [02:33] <tbsaunde> Callek: u, it would gcc -c I believe, not sure about msvc
333. # [02:33] <tbsaunde> Callek: sorry, I know nothing about msvc
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335. # [02:34] <Callek> tbsaunde: hope this helps http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1418214
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338. # [02:41] <tbsaunde> Callek: I'd gues msvc /Fm foo.obj foo.cpp
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340. # [02:43] <tbsaunde> Callek: mostly I just want to know if it can parse that file, it seems to be the case that child classes don't inherit thy're parents typedefs with msvc
341. # [02:43] <Callek> not it :(
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343. # [02:44] <Callek> let me try a cheating way and add a int main() {}
344. # [02:44] <Callek> :-)
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347. # [02:44] <tbsaunde> Callek: that's good enoug, thanks!
348. # [02:45] <Callek> tbsaunde: http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1418217 compiles fine with optimization disabled
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350. # [02:45] <Callek> Which seems to imply it works fine
351. # [02:45] <Callek> (try would know better with your real code though)
352. # [02:45] <tbsaunde> true
353. # [02:48] <khuey|christmas> hmm
354. # [02:48] <khuey|christmas> if I need a bidirectional mapping
355. # [02:48] <khuey|christmas> do I need to just use two hashtables going in opposite directions?
356. # [02:48] <khuey|christmas> do we have something better?
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365. # [02:58] <dolske> khuey|christmas: hve you considered sqlite?
366. # [03:00] * khuey|christmas stabs dolske
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369. # [03:03] <wg9s> dolske: Hey we have not agre3d on thing before, but I find it great that me idea on doing something about firefox:general was something that you embraced. (even if you didn;t knwo it orginated from me)
370. # [03:06] <dolske> no, I thought of it first.
371. # [03:06] <dolske> ಠ_ಠ
372. # [03:07] <wg9s> Oh so then my opinion of you has not changed. I will patent my ideas form now on.
373. # [03:07] <khuey|christmas> lol
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378. # [03:16] <wg9s> And anyone following this channel knows this was something I suggested a couple of weeks ago.
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382. # [03:18] <KWierso> I totally suggested it a year ago
383. # [03:18] <KWierso> nice of you guys to notice
384. # [03:19] <jbuck> whois KWierso
385. # [03:19] <jbuck> derp
386. # [03:19] <khuey|christmas> heh
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388. # [03:20] <wg9s> KWierso: well i figured I was not the first. seems odd someone now seeme to be claiming it as original.
389. # [03:20] <jbuck> no, I am Spartacus!
390. # [03:20] <khuey|christmas> I don't think dolske is claiming that it was his idea
391. # [03:20] <khuey|christmas> this is something that's been suggested by many people for years
392. # [03:21] <wg9s> So what part of dolske no, I thought of it first.
393. # [03:22] <wg9s> Oh maybe I didnt understnd it was a joke that he thought of it first?
394. # [03:22] <wg9s> Kind of has to do with some history between us.
395. # [03:22] <wg9s> Somehow we seem to butt heads
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397. # [03:24] <edmorley> wg9s: you may find the last 6-9 months of posts of interest, some more good ideas there http://tylerdowner.wordpress.com/
398. # [03:24] <wg9s> maybe i just need to buy him a beer or something.
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402. # [03:25] <khuey|christmas> dolske does like his beer
403. # [03:26] <wg9s> I am acutally a member of a beer club at a local establishment here in massachusetts
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406. # [03:27] <wg9s> Oddly I found I really like Samuel Smiths Organic Cider.
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408. # [03:27] <wg9s> from this club
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410. # [03:28] <wg9s> Does not sound like anything I would like.
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412. # [03:29] <khuey|christmas> hrm
413. # [03:29] <khuey|christmas> anybody around who knows about paint suppression?
414. # [03:29] <wg9s> looking nback on the converstaion, I think this one is on me.
415. # [03:29] * khuey|christmas doesn't see roc, dbaron, or bz
416. # [03:30] <wg9s> without the past history I would have taken that as a joke as it probably was meant.
417. # [03:30] <wg9s> dolske: sorry :-(
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428. # [03:44] <Callek> philor: still around, willing to tell me if that android-xul pn is the same as teh other android-xul pn you starred?
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432. # [03:45] <philor> Callek: are you starring from &noignore=1? do you _like_ pain?
433. # [03:46] <philor> but yeah, whichever that one is, it's like every single one since talos came back to android-xul yesterday morning, because it broke while it wasn't running
434. # [03:47] <Callek> philor: no, not noignore
435. # [03:48] <philor> I hid them, dunno, a couple of hours ago maybe, once enough had built up to smell the burning
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437. # [03:48] <Callek> ...but given that I'm ignoring it
438. # [03:49] <philor> I don't know of any way to persuade tbpl to not update to reflect hidden builders, but since I'm usually doing the hiding, and doing that you need to force a refresh, I probably also haven't ever seen what happens when something gets hidden
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445. # [03:59] <philor> there, now instead it's bug 713320
446. # [04:01] <Callek> philor: so... not seeing any builds-4hr warnings should I be worried about the lack of feedback on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=0697daa43413 for a good chunk of results
447. # [04:03] <philor> that's the neat thing about coalescing
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449. # [04:03] <philor> it requires me to say "no, that's nothing to worry about, that's just coalescing" when in fact the only way I could even remotely know that is by checking the dates on the uploaded builds
450. # [04:04] <philor> or maybe adding up buildstep times to come up with the time each build would have done its sendchange
451. # [04:05] <catlee-christmas> self-serve exposes the coalescing
452. # [04:05] <philor> does it?
453. # [04:05] <philor> as distinct from the not-putting-in-builds-4hring?
454. # [04:06] <philor> guess maybe if they have the exact same times
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456. # [04:06] <catlee-christmas> I think so...
457. # [04:07] <catlee-christmas> but I can't find an example of it actually doing it
458. # [04:07] <philor> https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/mozilla-central/rev/0697daa43413 and https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/mozilla-central/rev/0697daa43413 filtered for fedora 64 opt
459. # [04:08] <Callek> philor: ooo ok, means that I can just go to bed instead of watching that push now :-)
460. # [04:08] <Callek> thanks
461. # [04:08] <philor> same times across the whole suite means it has to have been coalesced
462. # [04:08] <philor> or perhaps it means I opened the same damn push twice :)
463. # [04:09] <philor> but no, I just didn't copy-paste https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/mozilla-central/rev/ede336ccaed0 the second time
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466. # [04:11] <catlee-christmas> philor: boo, it's not working
467. # [04:11] <catlee-christmas> following the build's link to e.g. https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/mozilla-central/build/7497761 should show multiple requests
468. # [04:12] <catlee-christmas> I wonder when that broke...
469. # [04:12] <dolske> maybe if you had tests for philor to star... ;-)
470. # [04:13] <philor> they run inside the firewall, probably
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474. # [04:21] <philor> ruh roh, michal wins the prize for first to need a backout
475. # [04:23] <Unfocused> CONGRATULATIONS! you win a free copy of Firefox for you and your family!
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479. # [04:26] <philor> and a lifetime subscription to Waiting For The Tryserver Daily!
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484. # [04:40] <khuey|christmas> mochitest-ipcplugins has ipc disabled?
485. # [04:40] <khuey|christmas> who named that?
486. # [04:43] <philor> the person who created it while default was disabled, and had it run with ipc enabled
487. # [04:44] <philor> the question you want to ask is "who didn't rename that?"
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490. # [04:45] <philor> hmm, do we default to enabled on Mac now? because there was a time when it was, reading down the page, noipcplugins noipcplugins ipcplugins ipcplugins noipcplugins noipcplugins
491. # [04:49] <khuey|christmas> we got oopp for mac in 4 iirc
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494. # [04:57] <reuben> hm, "Finding regression windows" on MDN leads me to a 404 (https://quality.mozilla.org/documents-home/bugs-docs/bug-triaging-guidelines/finding-regression-windows)
495. # [04:57] <reuben> are there any (existing) updated docs with tips and tricks?
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499. # [04:58] <@bz> how much would people mind me pushing scary stuff to inbound and going to bed?
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505. # [05:04] <khuey|christmas> bz: silence is consent!
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507. # [05:04] * khuey|christmas grumbles about people adding new stuff to things he wants to rip out
508. # [05:05] <@bz> khuey|christmas: makes sense to me (former, not latter)
509. # [05:05] <philor> silence is an easier way to type "that's what inbound is there for, going to bed"
510. # [05:05] * @bz pushes 24-patch queue
511. # [05:05] <@bz> this did pass try earlier today
512. # [05:05] <khuey|christmas> well if the pusher is afraid it should probably go through try first ...
513. # [05:05] <philor> and I saw you starring try, so you must have tried
514. # [05:05] <khuey|christmas> oh
515. # [05:05] <khuey|christmas> well then
516. # [05:05] * Waldo also has that grumble at times
517. # [05:05] <Waldo> philor: I see what you did there
518. # [05:05] <@bz> and I don't think anything else shold have bitrotted it
519. # [05:05] <@bz> (it also passed try last week, but I bitrotted it between then and now)
520. # [05:05] * khuey|christmas eyes jwir3|away
521. # [05:06] * @bz is mostly worried about talos
522. # [05:06] <@bz> anyway
523. # [05:06] * @bz really hopes this doesn't bounce
524. # [05:06] <@bz> all the comments in the bug about landing and relanding could get ... tiresome
525. # [05:07] <khuey|christmas> ooh
526. # [05:07] <khuey|christmas> looks like a fun bug
527. # [05:07] <@bz> is that based on looking at inbound?
528. # [05:07] <@bz> or on the comment above?
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530. # [05:08] <khuey|christmas> looking at inbound
531. # [05:08] <@bz> ah
532. # [05:08] <@bz> making it pass tests was fun
533. # [05:08] <@bz> past that... I think we nixed a bunch of code
534. # [05:09] <@bz> and maybe made stuff faster
535. # [05:09] <@bz> we'll see whether talos agrees
536. # [05:09] <khuey|christmas> making it pass tests is what I was referring to as "fun"
537. # [05:09] <stuart> bz: was there ever any traction on the gc pauses?
538. # [05:09] <stuart> they're killing me
539. # [05:09] <khuey|christmas> sounds like it would be a lot of work
540. # [05:09] <@bz> stuart: "maybe"
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542. # [05:10] <@bz> stuart: want to help debug?
543. # [05:10] <@bz> stuart: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711900#c7
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558. # [05:32] <Waldo> the error message for bug 712032 makes it seemingly quite chatty for a random orange
559. # [05:34] <Waldo> hmm, if this is a layout regression, wonder how long it's been since I found one
560. # [05:35] <Waldo> hmm, displays the same in webkit, tho
561. # [05:36] <Waldo> hmm, maybe I just missed seeing it misrender like this in previous nightlies, since 8 displays it the same way
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583. # [06:08] <pranavrc> Boriss, ping
584. # [06:08] <Boriss> pranavrc: pong
585. # [06:09] <pranavrc> Boriss, hey, I was looking at this - https://wiki.mozilla.org/Extension_Manager:Projects:Improve_Add-on_Installation and wondering what the status is, and if it's open for work, etc.
586. # [06:11] <Boriss> this wiki is out of date, some of it has been updated
587. # [06:11] * jaws|away is now known as jaws
588. # [06:12] <pranavrc> Oh. Ok, I'll look elsewhere then. Just looking for something to take up since I'm new.
589. # [06:12] * khuey|christmas is now known as khuey|away
590. # [06:12] <pranavrc> I did check the code, and noticed some features yet to be implemented. Like the install button fade for instance.
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607. # [06:43] <jlebar> sicking: There are different kinds of wake locks.
608. # [06:43] <sicking> jlebar: please elaborate
609. # [06:43] <jlebar> There's "don't turn off the screen", "don't turn off wifi", "don't dim the screen at all", etc.
610. # [06:43] <jlebar> sicking: "Disable frequency scaling..."
611. # [06:43] <sicking> hmm
612. # [06:44] <sicking> jlebar: does ios/android expose these different locks?
613. # [06:44] <jlebar> sicking: There is at least http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/PowerManager.html
614. # [06:45] <jlebar> sicking: I don't see wifi locks there, but I think they're somewhere...
615. # [06:45] <sicking> jlebar: interesting...
616. # [06:45] <jlebar> sicking: I don't really understand why we want to implement the turn off screen after idle in gecko rather than JS.
617. # [06:45] <jlebar> sicking: That part makes no sense to me.
618. # [06:46] <sicking> jlebar: simpler?
619. # [06:46] <jlebar> sicking: Well, it would be simpler not to have gaia altogether.
620. # [06:46] <jlebar> sicking: Simplicity is not the overall goal.
621. # [06:46] <jlebar> sicking: The goal is to let JS implement policy.
622. # [06:47] <jlebar> sicking: For example, we should be able to do a screen-turn-off animation.
623. # [06:47] <jlebar> sicking: But now gaia can't do that, because gecko turns the screen off on idle.
624. # [06:47] * sicking ponders
625. # [06:48] <jlebar> sicking: The alternative is to expose APIs for:
626. # [06:48] <jlebar> * Any screen locks held?
627. # [06:48] <jlebar> * Call me back when the device has been idle for X seconds.
628. # [06:48] <jlebar> And then gaia turns off the screen, or dims it, or whatever.
629. # [06:48] <sicking> jlebar: how is that different from what you are proposing?
630. # [06:48] <sicking> jlebar: or is that what you are proposing?
631. # [06:49] <jlebar> sicking: That is what I'm proposing.
632. # [06:49] <sicking> ok
633. # [06:49] <jlebar> sicking: Otherwise, I'm not sure we should expose screen brightness / screen enabled to gaia at all. One layer needs to control it.
634. # [06:49] <sicking> jlebar: yeah, that sounds ok to me. I'm not sure if i'd put gaia specific APIs on .navigator though
635. # [06:50] <jlebar> sicking: Under the scheme in the bug, even things like "turn off screen when power button pressed" may need to be done in gecko.
636. # [06:50] <sicking> jlebar: yeah, i'm coming around to your approach
637. # [06:51] <sicking> jlebar: i'm still thinking we might want to have some dedicated location for "platform" APIs though
638. # [06:51] <jlebar> sicking: Paint that bikeshed any color you'd like.
639. # [06:52] <sicking> jlebar: where would you fire the "device has been idle for X seconds" notifications?
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641. # [06:52] <jlebar> sicking: Putting together all the APIs that, logically, we use on Gonk but not Android, seems very sensible.
642. # [06:52] <jlebar> sicking: What do you mean, where do I fire that?
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644. # [06:52] <sicking> jlebar: yeah, that sounds good
645. # [06:53] <philor> oh ghu no, I have to back out bz
646. # [06:53] <sicking> jlebar: like, how do you register to be notified about device inactivity?
647. # [06:53] <sicking> philor: nooooooooo
648. # [06:53] <jlebar> sicking: platform-only-apis.addIdleListener(num-seconds, callback) ?
649. # [06:54] <philor> android reftest failure that's on try too, and was on a try push I starred a while back, so I retriggered it like four times so he would see it
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652. # [06:55] <sicking> jlebar: right, the "platform-only-apis" is the question :) I.e. that's the color of the bikeshed
653. # [06:55] <philor> maybe I'd rather disable those
654. # [06:55] <jlebar> sicking: For all I care, make it a new global object. "platform" or something.
655. # [06:56] <sicking> jlebar: Components.utils :-)
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657. # [06:56] <sicking> jlebar: are we still hoping that gaia will run with something other than system level privileges?
658. # [06:56] <jlebar> sicking: But the question I care about is whether we have these APIs at all. I'd love some backup in the bug. :D
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660. # [06:56] <sicking> jlebar: i'll post in bug
661. # [06:57] <jlebar> sicking: It's presumably going to run with privilege to access this API.
662. # [06:57] <philor> sure wish I would have figured out why mak's backout script doesn't work for me, before I needed to back out a hunk of 24
663. # [06:58] <jlebar> sicking: gaia is going to need privilege above apps, that's for sure.
664. # [06:58] <sicking> jlebar: good
665. # [07:02] <sicking> jlebar: so say that we wanted to make requestWakeLock show a "do you want to let this webpage keep your screen on" door hanger. That door hanger would also be displayed by gaia, right?
666. # [07:03] <jlebar> sicking: :-/
667. # [07:03] <sicking> jlebar: this definitely applies to camera access for example
668. # [07:03] <jlebar> sicking: Yeah. A lot of this is going to be the app permissions thing.
669. # [07:03] <jlebar> sicking: Which won't necessarily be a doorhanger; it may be an install-time thing.
670. # [07:04] <sicking> jlebar: this means that we have to have gaia-APIs for "app requested permission X" and a way for gaia to say "permission granted" etc
671. # [07:04] <jlebar> sicking: Maybe. I'm…not sure that's the best way to do it.
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673. # [07:04] <sicking> jlebar: anyway, i think i'm getting off topic
674. # [07:04] <jlebar> yeah.
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678. # [07:10] <rniwa> hi sicking
679. # [07:10] <sicking> rniwa: hey dude!
680. # [07:10] <rniwa> sicking: happy holidays :)
681. # [07:10] <sicking> rniwa: to you too!
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683. # [07:11] <rniwa> sicking: thanks
684. # [07:11] <rniwa> 2012 will be an exciting year for the Web :D
685. # [07:11] <jlebar> sicking: thanks.
686. # [07:11] * jlebar returns to his vacation.
687. # [07:11] <jlebar> sicking: Happy holidays!
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690. # [07:12] <sicking> jlebar|away: you too!!
691. # [07:12] <sicking> rniwa: hehe, i hope so :)
692. # [07:15] <rniwa> sicking: well at least we'll fix undo :)
693. # [07:16] <sicking> rniwa: hah, i hope we'll do more than that, but that would be a good step :)
694. # [07:16] <rniwa> sicking: I want to fix the command / menu elements
695. # [07:16] <rniwa> sicking: so that we can implement.
696. # [07:17] <rniwa> sicking: I think being able to register new commands and share UI states for commands is very important
697. # [07:17] <rniwa> sicking: of course, there are lots of new features in HTML, Web Apps, CSS, etc...
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703. # [07:24] <philor> philikon: did you touch mobile?
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706. # [07:25] <philor> oh, bz hasn't finished an R2 yet, maybe it's all him
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708. # [07:26] <philor> and hello, tryserver
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712. # [07:28] <philor> world: if you push to try, but don't wait until your push finishes running tests before pushing it for reals, it only works to help me mock you and blame you
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714. # [07:45] <philikon> philor: nope, only b2g stuff
715. # [07:46] <philor> philikon: thanks - it was all bz, just oddly finishing first on your push and pushes above you
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717. # [07:47] <Jesse> jaws|away: why isn't Cheevos avail for nightly? using nightly should be an achievement! https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cheevos/
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719. # [07:48] <KWierso> Jesse: not available for beta or aurora either, apparently
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721. # [07:54] <jaws|away> Jesse: AMO doesn't allow you to upload addons for versions higher than release :(
722. # [07:54] <jaws|away> but it works on nightly
723. # [07:54] <jaws|away> i only use nightly for my browsing
724. # [07:54] <jaws|away> i tried to upload it with maxVersion: 11, and i was told it was an invalid version number :-/
725. # [07:55] <KWierso> you need 11.0, probably
726. # [07:55] <jaws|away> what do you mean?
727. # [07:55] <jaws|away> i think the string was 11.*
728. # [07:56] <KWierso> valid strings are 11.0, 11.0.1, and 11.0.*, IIRC
729. # [07:56] <jaws|away> ok, so next time i upload i'll try to use 12.0.*
730. # [07:56] <KWierso> you should be able to update compatibility from AMO for the currently uploaded version
731. # [07:56] <KWierso> without uploading a new one
732. # [07:56] <jaws|away> orly?
733. # [07:56] * jaws|away checks
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735. # [07:57] <jaws|away> KWierso: do you know where/
736. # [07:57] <jaws|away> *?
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738. # [07:57] <KWierso> jaws|away: one sec
739. # [07:58] <KWierso> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/developers/addons
740. # [07:58] <Jesse> plz file a bug against AMO saying that instead of saying "invalid version" it should say something useful
741. # [07:58] <KWierso> there should be a "compatibility" link next to your addon in the list
742. # [07:59] <jaws|away> Jesse: i'm implementing an achievement now for being on a non-Release channel ;)
743. # [07:59] <Jesse> yay
744. # [07:59] <KWierso> which should pop up a box that lets you change min/maxVersion
745. # [07:59] <jaws|away> fixed the version string. thanks KWierso!
746. # [07:59] <KWierso> \o/
747. # [08:00] <jaws|away> i've got a bunch more achievements coming in the next update
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749. # [08:00] <jaws|away> Jesse: see list of achievement todos... https://etherpad.mozilla.org/SrTmdsPQ5m
750. # [08:03] <jaws|away> Jesse: i think i CC'd you to the bug, but i'm not sure if it was the correct email address
751. # [08:04] <jaws|away> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713328
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762. # [08:27] <KWierso> jaws|away: so I got the "yo dawg" achievement, but the medal is still not showing up... known issue?
763. # [08:27] <jaws|away> no i'm not sure why
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765. # [08:27] <jaws|away> let me see
766. # [08:28] <jaws|away> KWierso: i repro'd the bug. i'll see why
767. # [08:28] <jaws|away> thanks for letting me know
768. # [08:28] <KWierso> no problem
769. # [08:29] <jaws|away> oic
770. # [08:30] <jaws|away> it's awarding a silver, but since there weren't multiple awards for this one, then it is only trying to show a blank bronze. if it showed the sliver it would have been filled in
771. # [08:30] * jaws|away is now known as jaws
772. # [08:30] <jaws> KWierso: do you have any recommendations for making this achievement have three parts? (bronze, silver, gold)?
773. # [08:31] <KWierso> load that url inside itself 3 times? :P
774. # [08:31] <jaws> hehe
775. # [08:31] <jaws> i guess that could work....
776. # [08:31] <jaws> i was struggling with finding one for that. so maybe that could be it
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780. # [08:43] <KWierso> jaws: whoa, opening a sidebar, about:cheevos animates to resize...
781. # [08:43] <KWierso> jaws++
782. # [08:43] <jaws> :)
783. # [08:43] <jaws> media queries ftw
784. # [08:44] * KWierso idly wonders how to get the last two levels of "dog eared"...
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786. # [08:44] <jaws> so, these awards aren't designed to be achieved in a day.... they may take time :)
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797. # [09:20] <KWierso> jaws: well, that's exciting. had 240 points. disabled and reenabled cheevos, and now I have 210 points. but everything in the list is the same as it was before disabling...:S
798. # [09:21] <jaws> Asa found a bug earlier that let points double up. the 210 should be the correct number of points
799. # [09:21] <jaws> i've fixed it and it will be in the next update
800. # [09:21] <KWierso> woo
801. # [09:22] <jaws> but i must say, you have reached the highest point total of all people i've talked to
802. # [09:22] <jaws> second highest i heard was 145
803. # [09:22] <KWierso> (it helps when I looked at the cheat list...)
804. # [09:22] * KWierso coughs
805. # [09:22] <jaws> lol, now it makes sense :)
806. # [09:22] <jaws> there is a link to reset your point total on the about:cheevo page if you wanted to start over
807. # [09:24] <KWierso> jaws: there is an issue where if you have about:cheevos open and you restore the session on startup, the about: handler isn't registered yet (though I think this is a jetpack bug... or at least a jetpack thing to work around...)
808. # [09:25] <jaws> yeah, i don't know how to fix that
809. # [09:25] <jaws> i like using about:cheevos but that is the most annoying part of it
810. # [09:25] <jaws> i think session restore runs before the add-ons are initialized
811. # [09:26] <KWierso> yeah
812. # [09:26] <bsmith> What is the process for requesting a password reset when you can't log in to https://ldap.mozilla.org/passwordreset/ to reset your password?
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814. # [09:27] <KWierso> jaws: here's hoping whatever happens with bug 644595 can work around that somehow :)
815. # [09:28] <jaws> yeah, that would be great
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817. # [09:30] <Ms2ger> bsmith, a bug, I guess
818. # [09:30] <bsmith> I think so too. But, I can't remember what product/component to file it in
819. # [09:30] <bsmith> I know it is on the intranet
820. # [09:30] <bsmith> but I can't access it
821. # [09:31] <bsmith> Ms2ger ^
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823. # [09:31] <jaws> i'll check the intranet
824. # [09:31] <jaws> To reset the password (if you don't know the original one), log a ticket with the IT helpdesk and we will reset it for you.
825. # [09:31] <jaws> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=mozilla.org&format=itrequest
826. # [09:32] <jaws> bsmith ^
827. # [09:32] <bsmith> jaws: thanks. I was trying product=itrequest
828. # [09:32] <jaws> np
829. # [09:35] <KWierso> heh... Tilt works on chrome://browser/content/browser.xul as well...
830. # [09:36] <jaws> hehe, nice. the identity block is really deep
831. # [09:36] * Ms2ger lands
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833. # [09:40] <philor> ick, who did that to the tbpl comment popup? bug 497995?
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835. # [09:42] <jaws> screenshot? i don't see anything weird in the tbpl comment popup
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837. # [09:44] * KWierso doesn't feel like grabbing an hourly to see the difference
838. # [09:45] <Ms2ger> Sounds possible
839. # [09:45] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
840. # [09:45] <philor> http://dev.philringnalda.com/comment_popup.png
841. # [09:46] <jaws> ick
842. # [09:46] <philor> I find it slightly less satisfactory
843. # [09:47] <edmorley> :-(
844. # [09:47] <KWierso> philor: (longshot) tried clearing cache maybe?
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847. # [09:51] <philor> clearing the cache and force reloading didn't do anything, but hg up -r 334f198c10b5 did
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850. # [09:56] <Ms2ger> khuey|away, ^
851. # [09:57] <philor> yay, -moz-border-image: url(../images/hudborderimage.png)
852. # [09:58] <philor> well, -moz-border-image: url(../images/hudborderimage.png) 10 18 25 repeat;
853. # [09:59] <philor> which perhaps wants a fill?
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855. # [09:59] <Ms2ger> Might be
856. # [10:00] * Ms2ger doesn't know this stuff
857. # [10:00] <philor> I *might* have to read the bug, but I'm hoping for just reading enough of "fix in-tree uses"
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859. # [10:01] <Unfocused> real men read the spec
860. # [10:01] <philor> 12:54 am
861. # [10:02] <philor> not that I'm actually going to get tbpl updated on Christmas Eve anyway
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864. # [10:02] <jaws> Unfocused: it's funny that you said that. did you see that i had put that in the project requirements?
865. # [10:03] <jaws> "CSS (be prepared to read and learn parts of the CSS specs)"
866. # [10:03] <jaws> :P
867. # [10:03] <Unfocused> yea - i lol'ed :)
868. # [10:04] <jaws> i was trying to differentiate between "i know how to set a font-family" and "i know why position:relative renders on top of position:static"
869. # [10:05] <Unfocused> jaws++
870. # [10:05] <jaws> thanks :)
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872. # [10:08] <philor> indeed, fill
873. # [10:10] <edmorley> bah, you beat me to them :-)
874. # [10:11] <philor> you can have the rest, I think I've had enough for a while
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876. # [10:12] <Ms2ger> Have a green Christmas, philor|away
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883. # [10:16] <Ms2ger> "abort: abandoned transaction found - run hg recover!"
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885. # [10:17] <jaws> oh no
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937. # [12:28] <Ms2ger> Dammit
938. # [12:28] <Ms2ger> I always get those :/
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944. # [12:40] <nigelb> What was that?
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951. # [13:00] <darktrojan> :Ddd
952. # [13:05] <nigelb> heh
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959. # [13:39] <evilpie> Ms2ger so how much [implict_jscontext] are to go?
960. # [13:40] <Ms2ger> Hmm?
961. # [13:45] <evilpie> aren't you trying to remove GetCurrentNativeCallContext ?
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964. # [13:49] <evilpie> bug 713354 meh
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969. # [14:02] <khuey|christmas> Ms2ger: hmm?
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972. # [14:12] <Ms2ger> evilpie, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=nsAXPCNativeCallContext&;filter= still too many
973. # [14:13] <evilpie> Ms2ger certainly looks better than that http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla2.0/search?string=nsAXPCNativeCallContext
974. # [14:13] <evilpie> so ++
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1054. # [17:04] <gsathya> H
1055. # [17:05] <gsathya> Hi, I'm new here. Who do I bug about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=679026 ?
1056. # [17:07] <Ms2ger> I'm afraid not a lot of JS hackers hang around on IRC over the weekend
1057. # [17:07] <Ms2ger> You're probably best off asking in the bug
1058. # [17:08] <gsathya> Right. I shall do that. Thanks!
1059. # [17:08] <Ms2ger> Np
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1075. # [17:30] <philor> hmm, so wtf is tbpl supposed to do about its border-image, which has to work with trunk down through 9.0?
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1078. # [17:32] <Ms2ger> -moz-border-image: old syntax; -moz-border-image: new syntax;
1079. # [17:33] <Ms2ger> (If the new syntax fails to parse, that is)
1080. # [17:33] <Ms2ger> ((in <11))
1081. # [17:33] <philor> I love the idea of CSS, the idealized version of it on a pedestal
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1083. # [17:33] <khuey|christmas> why does tbpl have to work with anything besides trunk? ;-)
1084. # [17:33] * Ms2ger whacks khuey|christmas
1085. # [17:33] <Ms2ger> All your fault, dammit
1086. # [17:33] <Ms2ger> And the CSS Cabal
1087. # [17:33] <khuey|christmas> all I did was land the patches
1088. # [17:33] <khuey|christmas> I didn't write the spec or the patches
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1091. # [17:34] <Ms2ger> Specs and patch don't hurt anybody, it's the landing that does :)
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1093. # [17:34] <philor> "unbitrotted with minor changes"
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1098. # [17:37] <Ms2ger> Minor changes? Wouldn't have thought that when he was whining about it every other minute :)
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1100. # [17:40] <philor> I bet I need to do the -webkit one too, I think I tried to use Chrome the other week and it looked like crap too
1101. # [17:40] <philor> or perhaps they're using unprefixed by now
1102. # [17:40] <Ms2ger> Meh, Chrome looks like crap anyway
1103. # [17:40] <Ms2ger> And Firefox doesn't even hang my computer on tbpl anymore
1104. # [17:40] <philor> otoh, they don't hang every time you load a full log
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1108. # [17:42] <philor> yeah, it doesn't hang mine often, but that's giving it 8GB - at work, giving it a measly 1GB, it hangs enough on full logs that during the lovely day of the hang detector, I couldn't load any
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1110. # [17:44] <Ms2ger> caniuse claims it's prefixed in Chrome
1111. # [17:45] <khuey|christmas> dbaron wants to unprefix in firefox this cycle
1112. # [17:45] <Ms2ger> Do we care about Opera? They have -o-
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1114. # [17:45] <philor> we do not
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1117. # [17:45] <@dbaron> Ms2ger, It's as-of-recently supported unprefixed in WebKit
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1121. # [17:46] <@dbaron> Ms2ger, on what?
1122. # [17:46] <Ms2ger> caniuse.com
1123. # [17:46] <khuey|christmas> dbaron: since you're here ...
1124. # [17:46] <philor> so probably nobody supported unprefixed without needing fill, and I just need to double-declare the two prefixed ones?
1125. # [17:46] <@dbaron> khuey|christmas, you appear not to be based on your nick, but anyway
1126. # [17:47] <Ms2ger> philor, sounds right
1127. # [17:47] <khuey|christmas> dbaron: do you know why background images and border images invalidate off of different imagelib notifications?
1128. # [17:47] <@dbaron> khuey|christmas, no
1129. # [17:47] <@dbaron> khuey|christmas, which notifications?
1130. # [17:47] <Ms2ger> "It seemed like a good idea at the time"
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1132. # [17:47] <khuey|christmas> dbaron: one is off OnStopFrame, the other off of OnStopRequest
1133. # [17:48] <khuey|christmas> background and border respectively
1134. # [17:48] <@dbaron> khuey|christmas, Ms2ger, speaking of which, if we unprefix, we're supposed to submit tests...
1135. # [17:49] <Ms2ger> \o/
1136. # [17:49] <Ms2ger> Are there tests already?
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1138. # [17:49] <Ms2ger> (In the official suite)
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1143. # [17:53] <Ms2ger> Doesn't look like it
1144. # [17:54] <Ms2ger> dbaron, feel free to assign a bug to me to submit some tests, I may even get to it
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1147. # [17:55] <Ms2ger> Hmm, boland has some
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1150. # [17:57] <Ms2ger> But apparently based on some old draft
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1152. # [18:00] * Ms2ger wanders off for Christmas
1153. # [18:00] <Ms2ger> Enjoy the holidays, all
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1156. # [18:01] <mounir> Ms2ger: you too
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1165. # [18:23] <Ms2ger> mounir, and don't choke on the foie gras ;)
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1167. # [18:28] <wg9s> Hey wondering if anyone other than me is working on figuring out what regressed Firefox such that the TBPL add a comment popup background does not display?
1168. # [18:28] <wg9s> It is taking so muchy time for me to get a successful clone, I have not been able to do a bisect on this.
1169. # [18:28] <wg9s> only thing I have been able to do so far is exonerate the most likely candidiate for causing the regression.
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1171. # [18:29] <Ms2ger> wg9s, the border-image patches, philor was working on a fix
1172. # [18:30] <wg9s> OK so far all i have been albe to do is verfy that backing out the patch for Bug 712743 did NOT fix the issue.
1173. # [18:30] <philor> got review, depending on how I decide to take the way that Swatinem has taken to giving verbal "looks fine" instead of actually stealing reviews
1174. # [18:31] <wg9s> If we know what casues the issue then I guess the fact that I am having so much trouble getting a successful clone is irrelevent to resolving this.
1175. # [18:32] <wg9s> So is the issue that the new browser behavior is rong, or was tbpl dependent on the old behavior which was nto really what the specs call for?
1176. # [18:32] <khuey|christmas> the spec changed
1177. # [18:32] <khuey|christmas> we updated the implementation
1178. # [18:32] <khuey|christmas> tbpl has to update to cope with the changes
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1180. # [18:34] <wg9s> OK. just trying to understand what happened to make sure abandoning my attempt to bisect is the correct thing for me to do.
1181. # [18:35] <wg9s> SOunds like I should which is great so I can go back to watching football.
1182. # [18:35] <wg9s> and wrapping presents.
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1188. # [18:47] <pranavrc> Hey fellas
1189. # [18:47] <pranavrc> Any UI/JS people here atm?
1190. # [18:50] <pranavrc> Got some doubts about hackishness of patch.
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1202. # [19:22] <snowind> hi, I am developing an addon, but confused on the debug tool
1203. # [19:23] <snowind> can someone help me about it? i used to use firebug and chromebug
1204. # [19:23] <snowind> but chromebug hasn't been updated for a long time, new version ff doesn't support it
1205. # [19:24] <snowind> and javascript debugger cannot present my addon js file
1206. # [19:24] <snowind> i don't know y
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1208. # [19:28] <snowind> can someone introduce a debug tool?
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1211. # [19:30] <bz> man
1212. # [19:30] <bz> tab drag is still broken. :(
1213. # [19:32] <mounir> blassey: around?
1214. # [19:33] <blassey> sorta
1215. # [19:34] <blassey> mounir: ?
1216. # [19:34] <mounir> blassey: so you want something like --disable-android-sms-permissions that we would use for our beta and releases?
1217. # [19:34] <mounir> beta/final I mean
1218. # [19:35] <blassey> mounir: I want MOZ_ENABLE_SMS
1219. # [19:35] <mounir> blassey: we usually do not disable an entire feature with a USE flag unless the feature is in dev
1220. # [19:36] <blassey> that's not really true
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1222. # [19:36] <mounir> if we only disable permissions, we have nearly the same code path for all builds except for one detail on beta/final android
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1224. # [19:36] <blassey> if we==mozilla
1225. # [19:36] <blassey> mounir: we never want this on for fennec
1226. # [19:36] <blassey> ever
1227. # [19:36] <blassey> not just beta and final
1228. # [19:36] <mounir> blassey: let say in web facing API, I don't know much we disable
1229. # [19:37] <mounir> blassey: why not for Nightly?
1230. # [19:37] <blassey> why have it?
1231. # [19:37] <blassey> we're not shipping it
1232. # [19:37] <mounir> there are already two prefs to change to have it working
1233. # [19:37] <mounir> people can test it
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1237. # [19:39] <mounir> blassey: IIRC, you asked to not have those permissions showing up in the market
1238. # [19:39] <mounir> with the patch I wrote they will not
1239. # [19:40] <mounir> whether we disable the entire feature or not seems to be outside of only Android widget
1240. # [19:40] <mounir> I think a good compromise would be to accept this patch so permissions don't show up
1241. # [19:40] <mounir> then having a wider discussion about enabling or not the feature by default and on which channels
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1243. # [19:41] <mounir> that's a discussion DOM guys could have for experimental features in general
1244. # [19:41] <mounir> and WebAPI team especially
1245. # [19:41] <blassey> mounir: basing it on the the branding will always be r-
1246. # [19:41] <blassey> that's just bad practice
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1248. # [19:42] <blassey> but I don't want to build the support for this at all in widget
1249. # [19:42] <mounir> why?
1250. # [19:42] <blassey> I don't care what the DOM people want to do
1251. # [19:42] <blassey> a) the fennec product doesn't want to ship this
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1253. # [19:43] <blassey> b) if we don't ship it there is no sense in having code that will never run
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1258. # [19:48] <bz> anyone here know how I can trigger builds on try that assume sse2 hardware?
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1263. # [19:51] <blassey> bz: CFLAGS?
1264. # [19:52] <blassey> in the mozconfig
1265. # [19:52] <snowind> can someone introduce a firefox addon debug tool?
1266. # [19:53] <Callek> venkman, DOMi, Firebug+chromebug, ....etc, depending on your needs?
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1270. # [19:55] <bz> blassey: well, yes, but speifically what values?
1271. # [19:55] <bz> blassey: (esp windows vs linux)
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1273. # [19:56] <snowind> I have said, chromebug hasn't been updated for a long time
1274. # [19:56] <snowind> the new version firefox doesn't support it
1275. # [19:57] <snowind> venkman cannot show the addon js file
1276. # [19:57] <snowind> i have tried both of them, and neither of them work
1277. # [19:57] <snowind> domi can be used to debug the addon js file?
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1281. # [19:59] <jlebar> bz: It's -msse2 on gcc.
1282. # [20:00] <wg9s> snowind: Well you could ask in #extdev to see what other extension developers are using.
1283. # [20:00] <khuey|christmas> /arch:sse2 on msvc
1284. # [20:02] <jlebar> If it's actually 10-25%, I'd be pretty impressed. Maybe the compiler vectorizes some things that we should vectorize.
1285. # [20:03] <jlebar> anyway, <-- away
1286. # [20:04] <snowind> ok, thx
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1288. # [20:07] * bz tries
1289. # [20:08] <bz> btw
1290. # [20:08] <bz> is the compare-talos stuff broken?
1291. # [20:08] * bz gets JS errors
1292. # [20:08] <jlebar> bz: Compare-talos is really broken even minus JS errors.
1293. # [20:08] <jlebar> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696196
1294. # [20:09] <bz> jlebar: it's not an issue when comparing two specific builds, no?
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1296. # [20:09] <bz> jlebar: on try
1297. # [20:09] <bz> jlebar: but I don't even get the table
1298. # [20:09] <bz> jlebar: it shows the set of checkboxes, then throws an exception and stops
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1300. # [20:09] <jlebar> bz: If both have the same PGO/non-PGO-ness, then yes, this bug is a non-issue.
1301. # [20:10] <bz> jlebar: right
1302. # [20:10] <bz> jlebar: but the other is sort of a problem
1303. # [20:10] <jlebar> indeed.
1304. # [20:10] <bz> jlebar: it's a server-side regression
1305. # [20:10] <bz> jlebar: fails in fx8, e.g.
1306. # [20:11] <jlebar> bz: Well, in that case, you can run c-t locally.
1307. # [20:11] <jlebar> and revert it.
1308. # [20:11] <bz> jlebar: I guess I should file....
1309. # [20:11] <bz> hmm
1310. # [20:11] <bz> how do I run it locally?
1311. # [20:11] <jlebar> bz: https://bitbucket.org/mconnor/compare-talos
1312. # [20:11] <bz> thanks
1313. # [20:11] <jlebar> np
1314. # [20:12] <bz> btw
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1316. # [20:12] <bz> this will only affect 32-bit, right?
1317. # [20:12] <bz> since all 64-bit code has sse2?
1318. # [20:13] <jlebar> bz: yes.
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1323. # [20:23] <jdm> msucan: what's the deal with bug 609890?
1324. # [20:26] <msucan> jdm: given the latest happenings in the nsIScriptError-land of things ... i need to recheck those patches
1325. # [20:26] <msucan> rebase and see if things work properly now
1326. # [20:26] <jdm> I see
1327. # [20:27] <msucan> jdm: see bug 611032 - last comment #90
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1441. # [23:58] <jdm> jaws++
1442. # [23:58] <jdm> cheevos is so cool
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