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# Session Start: Tue Dec 27 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:09] <brendan> strangely enough, i am not authorized to see bug 123456 either
# [00:11] <khuey> must be super duper secret then
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# [00:12] <philor> it's where we put the meeting minutes for the Cabal to Overthrow Bren... oops
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# [00:16] <evilpie> brendan: so what groups exists you aren't in?
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# [00:17] <evilpie> brendan the other one?
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# [00:19] <evilpie> bug 50575
# [00:20] <dolske> iirc 123456 started off of as a real bug, then collected celebration comments, and finally somehow derailed enough that it got iced.
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# [00:21] <dolske> old inaccessible bugs (perhaps 50575?) may be flagged as netscape-confidential. I ran into one of those when merging components a couple years ago
# [00:22] <evilpie> dolske what means iced?
# [00:22] <evilpie> nobody can access it?
# [00:22] <dolske> yeah, just dropped into some group that basically no one has access to.
# [00:23] <evilpie> awww
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# [00:32] <jdm> is there some way to make an xmlhttprequest for a resource that doesn't parse successfully as valid xml?
# [00:33] <jdm> currently I see an error in the console and the request fails
# [00:33] <evilpie> responseType = 'text' ?
# [00:34] <jdm> that seems to work
# [00:34] <jdm> thanks!
# [00:35] <evilpie> please
# [00:35] <evilpie> there is also since recently document
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# [00:54] <khuey> grr
# [00:54] <khuey> I hate imagelib
# [00:54] <derf> Doesn't everybody?
# [00:54] <khuey> probably
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# [01:00] <Callek> smaug: sudden thought; would the fact that https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=b58561cd3f63 is not PGO negate the usefulness of me testing it?
# [01:00] <smaug> Callek: oh
# [01:01] <smaug> Callek: though, I'd say no
# [01:01] * Callek suspects not, since the CC/GC paths are not directly profiled, but just wanted to be sure
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# [01:01] <smaug> Callek: since it is the really bad cases which I'm interested in
# [01:02] <Callek> yea, I doubt PGO/no-PGO would affect this as directly
# [01:02] <Callek> ...interestingly just got home, and my Firefox seems snappy so far (over the last 5 min)
# [01:02] <Callek> yea last CC: |CC timestamp: 1324941757852000, collected: 46 (46 waiting for GC), suspected: 508, duration: 254 ms.|
# [01:02] <Callek> and this is the same browser session
# [01:02] <smaug> 254 is a lot
# [01:03] <Callek> well earlier it was in the thousand range for CC iirc
# [01:04] <Callek> yea, earlier it was: http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1421820
# [01:04] <smaug> I'm getting usually <50ms, though page loads can create a lot more garbage
# [01:04] <Callek> though right now, I have had your try page open, I keep GMail in an app tab
# [01:04] <Callek> and GReader in a tab (almost) all the time as well
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# [01:05] <Callek> but yea, 200 ms's is still a relative lot, but I know I have a lot of pages/data open
# [01:05] <smaug> I've started to look at how CC calls into JS
# [01:05] <Callek> it was the thousands ms that I was finding quite noticable.
# [01:05] <smaug> trying to reduce that
# [01:05] <smaug> since we traverse lots of JS objects during CC
# [01:07] <Callek> ...of course the mere fact that my session went from good->thousands (when I wasn't doing anything active)->good again (when I wasn't doing anything active) makes my suspicions for ease of reproducing annoying hard.
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# [01:14] <evilpie> is there a list with what stuff happens on the different project branches?
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# [01:16] <smaug> google really wants to collect phone numbers
# [01:16] <smaug> I wonder what they will do with that information
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# [02:17] <KWierso> evilpie: https://wiki.mozilla.org/DisposableProjectBranches#BOOKING_SCHEDULE
# [02:17] <KWierso> and evilpie isn't here. that works too...
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# [02:27] <Callek> ...whats with my error console reporting
# [02:27] <Callek> Error: uncaught exception: Error: Permission denied for <https://www.facebook.com> to get property Proxy.InstallTrigger
# [02:27] <Callek> same with platform.twitter
# [02:27] <Callek> err platform.twitter.com
# [02:27] <KWierso> I see that a bunch too at times
# [02:30] <khuey> it's pretty common
# [02:30] <KWierso> Callek: http://groups.google.com/group/firebug/browse_thread/thread/2517d5f867b9f526/e09ff710e58240af?show_docid=e09ff710e58240af implies it's a Firebug, thing, but I swear I've seen it without Firebug installed...
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# [02:31] <Callek> KWierso: I don't *think* I have Firebug enabled
# [02:31] <Callek> KWierso: yea not even installed
# [02:31] <khuey> I've seen it without firebug
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# [02:32] <Callek> basically is there anything we can/should do to silence it, or should we report to Facebook/Twitter to get it fixed, or what?
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# [02:34] <Callek> well THATS interesting: Error: Image corrupt or truncated: <unknown>
# [02:34] <Callek> Source File: <unknown>
# [02:34] <Callek> Line: 0
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# [02:53] <darktrojan> when did the error console start logging the date and time with messages?
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# [02:54] <Waldo> someone else asked that in the last several days, I think
# [02:54] <Waldo> don't remember the answer
# [02:54] <darktrojan> it is good
# [02:54] <KWierso> actually, messages seem to be the only thing in the console without timestamps...
# [02:54] <khuey> a few days ago
# [02:55] <darktrojan> ++ to whoever did that
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# [03:53] <fuogo> i have a question, how can i lay out my DOM using by gecko?
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# [03:55] <fuogo> anyone can help?
# [03:56] <khuey> put it in a web page and visit it?
# [03:56] * khuey assumes there's more to your question ...
# [03:57] <fuogo> but how to put the dom?
# [03:57] <fuogo> on the page
# [03:57] <ewong> khuey ping
# [03:57] <khuey> ewong: hi
# [03:57] <ewong> khuey going to bed soon?
# [03:57] <khuey> wasn't planning on it
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# [03:58] <ewong> khuey need some advice with bug #693172. i have a patch done.. and am building it right now..
# [03:58] <fuogo> so how to put the dom tree on the webpage?
# [03:58] <KWierso> fuogo: use the "Inspect" tool from the web developer menu?
# [03:58] <khuey> serialize it to markup
# [03:58] <khuey> ewong: ok, what do you need help with?
# [03:59] <ewong> khuey whether or not my patch is the 'right' way of doing it..
# [03:59] <ewong> it's been a long time since I've done a C++ patch so I'm apprehensive (for lack of a better word) about it
# [04:00] <khuey> ok
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# [04:01] <Callek> ewong: "post the patch for review"?
# [04:01] <ewong> furthermore.. I'm not even sure how to test out my patch whether it works or not..
# [04:01] <Callek> ;-)
# [04:01] <ewong> Callek yup..will be doing that
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# [04:31] <ewong> khuey: patch submitted..
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# [04:33] <khuey> ewong: ok, will look at it tomorrow
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# [04:41] <ewong> khuey: thanks!
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# [05:14] <darktrojan> what? firefox just ran the query in the search box and I was nowhere near it, using the mouse on something else
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# [05:53] <harsh> anyone
# [05:53] <harsh> plz help me out to create a patch
# [05:53] <harsh> i tried creating using hg export
# [05:53] <harsh> but m not able to do it
# [05:53] <harsh> :(
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# [05:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6f4f2e53694b - Oleg Romashin - Bug 703434 - Add support for Qt resource files (qrc) which possible to pre-compile with rcc compiler. r=glandium
# [05:55] <khuey> harsh: hg diff
# [05:55] <harsh> yeah khuey
# [05:55] <harsh> firstly inside mozilla-central
# [05:56] <harsh> hg init 'foldername'
# [05:56] <khuey> er, no
# [05:56] <harsh> then hg add filename
# [05:56] <khuey> did you clone mozilla-central from hg.mozilla.org?
# [05:56] <harsh> no
# [05:56] <harsh> whats the cmd for it
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# [05:57] <khuey> hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central
# [05:57] <khuey> how did you get hte source code?
# [05:57] <khuey> through a tarball?
# [05:57] <harsh> na i have done it :|
# [05:57] <harsh> yeah i did it
# [05:58] <harsh> yeah
# [05:58] <khuey> yeah if you want to make diffs it's easier with an hg clone
# [05:58] <harsh> whats the procedure for it ?
# [06:00] <harsh> cmds to add files in a single patch
# [06:01] <khuey> if you need to learn how to use mercurial there are tutorials on the internet
# [06:01] <khuey> try hginit.com
# [06:02] <harsh> khuey
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# [06:02] <harsh> okay
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# [06:50] <KWierso> \o/
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# [08:03] <smontagu> is it a known bug that firebug leaks the world?
# [08:03] <KWierso> did it ever not?
# [08:04] * smontagu only installed it this week
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# [08:43] <dolske> firebug... the solution to, and cause of, all the world's problems.
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# [09:10] <KWierso> dolske: luckily for me, Nightly's current set of devtools already match the subset of the tools that firebug provided that I actually used :)
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# [09:30] <smontagu> humph, "edit attachment as comment" in bugzilla corrupts non-ASCII characters. I'm surprised I never noticed that before (or have I just forgotten?)
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# [09:41] <dolske> hmm, seems like a bug
# [09:41] <dolske> I'd assume it should treat things as utf-8 (though I also wouldn't rely on it :)
# [09:41] <smontagu> that will also be wrong in some cases, of course :)
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# [09:42] <smontagu> but I should think it's the best default
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# [09:45] <smontagu> if I just view the attachment, there's a Content-Type header with charset=UTF=8
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# [09:53] <smontagu> bug 477442
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# [10:07] <ckvk> my hg clone keeps aborting due to poor network. is there a way to create a repo with the src.gz ?
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# [10:09] <dolske> sure, you can download a tar.gz of the source and use that instead. not as easy to update, but works for getting a build going.
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# [10:09] <ckvk> dolske: hg updates are not possible on these packages?
# [10:09] <dolske> ckvk: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/9.0.1/source/
# [10:10] <dolske> afaik they're just snapshots, not fill Hg repos
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# [10:10] <ckvk> dolske: hmm, ok, thanks
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# [10:11] <dolske> not sure about the .bundle, but that's a 314MB experiment. :|
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# [10:17] <catlee-christmas> ckvk: there are .bundle files on ftp too
# [10:17] <ckvk> dolske: the bundles compressed repos, they work fine. but talos doesnt come in a bundle
# [10:17] <catlee-christmas> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/bundles/
# [10:17] <ckvk> i am looking for this https://hg.mozilla.org/build/talos/ . there is no bundle for this project
# [10:17] <dolske> are are .bundles basically the same as doing an "hg pull" (module freshness)?
# [10:18] <catlee-christmas> yeah
# [10:18] <ckvk> when u unbundle you have a full hg repo
# [10:18] <dolske> ckvk: ah. you can download a .bz2/.zip from the links at the top.
# [10:18] <ckvk> unbundle == hg clone + update + pull
# [10:19] <ckvk> dolske: but they are not repos :(
# [10:19] <dolske> http://cl.ly/1q3R0E1x2z1m2h1l0U3k
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# [10:19] <ckvk> and i was wondering if hg can work some magic and create bundle/repo outta these snapshots ??
# [10:19] <dolske> oh? hrm. I... don't have a better suggestion for you.
# [10:20] <catlee-christmas> it's not that big...
# [10:20] <catlee-christmas> 13MB for talos
# [10:20] <dolske> if there's a way to create a bundle from a repo I'd be happy to help
# [10:20] <ckvk> catlee-christmas: i knw , but my network keeps breaking
# [10:20] <dolske> maybe I could just pull locally and tar it up?
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# [10:21] <ckvk> dolske: that's be great!!
# [10:21] <ckvk> :)
# [10:21] <catlee-christmas> http://people.mozilla.org/~catlee/talos.bundle
# [10:21] <catlee-christmas> give it a few minutes to finish uploading
# [10:21] <dolske> bah, too slow. :)
# [10:21] <ckvk> catlee-christmas: tahnks a ton!!!
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# [10:22] <nigelb> I was about to tell dolske how to create a bundle.
# [10:22] <nigelb> catlee-christmas++
# [10:22] * dolske deposits two bacon-wrapped lumps of coal in catlee-christmas's stockings. :D
# [10:23] <catlee-christmas> mmm...bacon...
# [10:23] <ckvk> apparently, theres a way to pull chunks when the network's acting up. i donno how tho
# [10:24] <ckvk> i gtg 2 work! thanks for the help guys!
# [10:24] <dolske> happy to help!
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# [10:24] <ckvk> catlee-christmas: can you keep bundle on there for 24 hours ?
# [10:24] <catlee-christmas> sure
# [10:25] <ckvk> thanks! :)
# [10:25] <catlee-christmas> good luck with your network
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# [10:32] <ckvk> dolske: u r off by some 20 degrees
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# [10:34] <ckvk> dolske: 50 degrees actually :D
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# [10:38] <dolske> Kyrgyzstan? even better! :)
# [10:38] <ckvk> longitudinally dolske
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# [10:39] <dolske> I give up :)
# [10:39] <smontagu> iceland?
# [10:40] <ckvk> india :)
# [10:40] <dolske> iceland, india, same thing :)
# [10:40] <ckvk> :P
# [10:40] <darktrojan> ivory coast
# [10:40] <ckvk> gtg now !
# [10:41] <smontagu> dolske went 50 degrees in the right direction :)
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# [10:43] <darktrojan> say what? smaug has obtained ops?
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# [10:50] <@smaug> what, me ops?
# [10:51] <@smaug> buu
# [10:51] <Ms2ger> You're in Europe, and you're around a lot... Sounds like a good idea to me :)
# [10:51] <@smaug> now I need to figure out what all powers I have
# [10:51] <darktrojan> not all that exciting really
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# [11:38] <NeilAway> darktrojan: bug 122213
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# [11:39] <darktrojan> damn, that predates 246620 which I almost landed yesterday
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# [11:40] * darktrojan likes comment 0
# [11:40] <NeilAway> of which bug?
# [11:40] <darktrojan> the console bug
# [11:40] <darktrojan> "When writing shoddy JS...."
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# [11:43] <darktrojan> actually
# [11:44] <darktrojan> smaug, would you be willing to review this? you reviewed the original code https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246620#c64
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# [11:50] <bsmith> Tomcat: Who is the best reviewer for the patch in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611253
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# [11:53] <brahmana|web> I have been looking at the image loading code, trying to understand how image loading works.
# [11:53] <@smaug> darktrojan: looking
# [11:54] <Ms2ger> Uh-oh
# [11:54] <brahmana|web> From what I understand every image load request is served by a imgRequest and a bunch of these imgRequests referring to the same image url are all served by a single nsHttpChannel
# [11:55] <brahmana|web> There is an additional imgCache (above the regular necko cache) which holds references to imgRequest objects.
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# [11:55] <brahmana|web> Does this mean the nsHttpChannel is also stored as long as the imgRequest is in imgCache?
# [11:56] <@smaug> darktrojan: what are those "<span id=""></span>" elements?
# [11:56] <Tomcat> bsmith: hmm i think maybe kev would be the best person
# [11:56] <Tomcat> to review
# [11:56] <darktrojan> currently they're what the line number css is based on
# [11:56] <darktrojan> smaug ^
# [11:57] <bsmith> Tomcat: thanks
# [11:57] <brahmana|web> which implies that every time an image is read from imgCache, the same nsHttpChannel is used.
# [11:57] <brahmana|web> Is that so?
# [11:57] <Tomcat> i only have even created only one patch for pfs
# [11:57] <Tomcat> np
# [11:57] <@smaug> darktrojan: meaning what? why empty id ?
# [11:58] <darktrojan> smaug, the tests are failing because line numbers aren't shown, and the id is empty so the test is easier to maintain
# [11:59] <darktrojan> the css selector is pre[id], span[id]
# [11:59] <darktrojan> and also I couldn't be bothered typing id="line1" etc
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# [12:01] <@smaug> darktrojan: is there any reason for ="" ?
# [12:01] <darktrojan> I guess I could just have <span id>
# [12:02] <darktrojan> no particular reason
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# [12:03] <darktrojan> thanks smaug
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# [12:06] <Steffen> what's the recommended way to copy a couple of changesets from mozilla-central to mozilla-aurora? hg transplant? I need to add the a= info to the commit message.
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# [12:08] <darktrojan> qimport perhaps
# [12:08] <Unfocused> Steffen: transplaent works. use -e to edit the commit message
# [12:08] <Steffen> ah, cool
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# [12:09] <Unfocused> and when you point it to m-c, you can use the directory holding your local copy (makes it faster)
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# [12:12] <Unfocused> oh, and if you get merge conflicts, after you've fixed it up, you have to use the -e option again (transplant -c -e)
# [12:13] * Unfocused get caught out by that :\
# [12:13] <Steffen> ok, thanks
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# [12:13] * brahmana|web guesses this is not the right time for necko/image loading questions.. !
# [12:13] <darktrojan> smaug: "" suitable?
# [12:13] * Steffen needs to update his hg to get transplant -e
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# [12:25] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, s/tags/elements/
# [12:25] <darktrojan> yes, good point
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# [12:28] <Steffen> so I tried, in the aurora dir,
# [12:28] <Steffen> hg transplant -s ../trunk/ -e 8260e9862eb5
# [12:28] <Steffen> Abort: no revision checked out
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# [12:30] <Unfocused> hm
# [12:31] <Unfocused> whats it say when you add -v ?
# [12:31] <Steffen> the same
# [12:31] <Steffen> just that one line
# [12:32] <Unfocused> huh
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# [12:34] <Unfocused> the interwebs suggest that error gets spit out when you're in an empty repository
# [12:34] <Steffen> I also tried hg transplant -s http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ -e 8260e9862eb5
# [12:34] <Steffen> and without -e
# [12:35] <Unfocused> try running |hg update -r tip| in your aurora repo first
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# [12:36] <Steffen> oh, that takes a while...
# [12:36] <darktrojan> mrbkap, you might be leaking on windows debug m4
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# [12:38] <mrbkap> darktrojan: uhh
# [12:38] <mrbkap> darktrojan: I have a really hard time believing that.
# [12:38] <Ms2ger> That sure sounds unlikely
# [12:38] <darktrojan> okay
# [12:38] <Ms2ger> bug 694772?
# [12:39] * darktrojan didn't look too closely
# [12:39] <Ms2ger> Also, leaking xpconnect stuff while only touching workers?
# [12:39] <Steffen> Unfocused: got it now, thanks!
# [12:39] <mrbkap> Oh, yeah.
# [12:39] <Unfocused> Steffen: great :)
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# [12:50] * darktrojan wonders if mochitest 1 2 have gone perma orange on android opt
# [12:50] <darktrojan> I can see why philor gets so frustrated looking after the trees
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# [13:00] <Ms2ger> No kidding
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# [13:02] <darktrojan> I think kgupta's push @22:03 yesterday needs backing out
# [13:03] <darktrojan> (inbound)
# [13:04] <Ms2ger> Hmm, but the push after that went green
# [13:04] <Ms2ger> And that was the last one
# [13:05] <darktrojan> for android m1 and m2?
# [13:05] <darktrojan> it didn't run afaict
# [13:05] <Ms2ger> Bah
# [13:05] <Ms2ger> Native is silly
# [13:05] <darktrojan> heh
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# [13:06] <darktrojan> should I back it out?
# [13:06] <darktrojan> since I have the tip handy
# [13:07] <Ms2ger> Go for it
# [13:07] <@smaug> how do I create live bookmarks nowadays?
# [13:07] * darktrojan does so
# [13:08] <Ms2ger> And I wish someone fixed bug 705614, so I don't get bugmail anymore
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# [13:09] <darktrojan> Ms2ger, good luck, Auckland office is probably all on leave for 2 weeks
# [13:10] <Ms2ger> You don't also have an aurora tree handy? :)
# [13:10] <darktrojan> nope
# [13:11] <darktrojan> mine is still v9, I think
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# [13:17] <darktrojan> wahey, I've got it down to a few misbehaving tegras
# [13:19] <Ms2ger> Where "a few" is all of them? :)
# [13:19] <darktrojan> yes
# [13:19] <darktrojan> ... and a pgo orange
# [13:20] * darktrojan marks them with the comment "sort your shit out, android"
# [13:20] <Ms2ger> "mochitest-a11y: 7120/67369/2661 LEAK"
# [13:21] <Ms2ger> Sort your shit out, Linux
# [13:21] <darktrojan> that too
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# [13:29] <darktrojan> !seen jmaher
# [13:29] <firebot> jmaher was last seen 4 days, 17 hours, 38 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying 'let me look at it in more details' in #amo.
# [13:34] <gcp> anyone want to review a trivial java patch?
# [13:34] <Ms2ger> He's on bmo right now
# [13:35] <darktrojan> yep, I know
# [13:35] <Ms2ger> "So much boring history. Here, kid, sit over there and I'll tell you why things are the stupid way they are."
# [13:35] * Ms2ger always enjoys reading philor's bugs
# [13:35] <darktrojan> heh
# [13:43] <darktrojan> where do I find tryserver on bugzilla?
# [13:44] <Ms2ger> Hmm?
# [13:45] <darktrojan> want to file a bug
# [13:46] <darktrojan> erk, it seems the tryserver component is for mozilla messaging
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# [13:48] <darktrojan> ah nevermind, I'll do it tomorrow
# [13:48] <darktrojan> goodnight
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# [13:53] <Steffen> funny, tbpl shows a red B on Aurora OS X64 debug, with empty summary, but the log says "No errors or warnings found" and tests are green so far
# [13:54] <grubshka> hello, is it possible to force extensions in the profile to be updated by the extensions in "distribution/extensions" of the application
# [13:54] <Ms2ger> Steffen, try searching for "failed ("
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# [14:13] <khuey> roc: ping?
# [14:15] <Ms2ger> 2AM?
# [14:15] * khuey shrugs
# [14:15] <khuey> worth a try
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# [14:16] <jmaher> oh hai Ms2ger
# [14:17] <Ms2ger> And a merry Christmas
# [14:17] <Ms2ger> darktrojan was looking for you earlier
# [14:17] <jmaher> Ms2ger: I believe that was related to a review
# [14:19] <Ms2ger> Certainly possible
# [14:19] <jmaher> Ms2ger: once in a while I try to sign off of IRC
# [14:20] <Ms2ger> How boring
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# [14:23] <Steffen> so Aurora OS X64 debug failed to wget http://stage.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-aurora-macosx64-debug//malloc.log. ERROR 404: Not Found
# [14:23] <Steffen> I can download that just fine
# [14:23] <Ms2ger> Rings a quiet bell
# [14:24] <Ms2ger> I think there's a bug for that
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# [14:25] <ted> yeah
# [14:25] <ted> the first debug build always fails
# [14:25] <ted> because there's no previous debug build to compare to
# [14:25] <jmaher> I need an excuse like that for Android failures1
# [14:26] <Steffen> bug 692240 ?
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# [14:28] <Ms2ger> jmaher, "yeah, android tests always fail, because they suck"? :)
# [14:28] <jmaher> Ms2ger++
# [14:28] <Steffen> firebot: bug 692240
# [14:28] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=692240 nor, P2, ---, nrthomas, RESO FIXED, Downloading malloc.log & sdleak.tree fails for the first debug build since the PGO changes
# [14:30] <Ms2ger> jmaher, tbh, the main problem with Android in my experience is that the summaries are always empty
# [14:32] <jmaher> Ms2ger: yeah, that is something we should work on once we get the native tests running
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# [14:33] <Ms2ger> Oh, and we should hire a dozen more people for the ateam :)
# [14:33] <jmaher> Ms2ger++
# [14:33] <Ms2ger> Also, khuey, how is the C++ testing stuff coming along?
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# [14:38] <khuey> Ms2ger: it's not
# [14:39] <Ms2ger> Get yourself an intern :)
# [14:39] <khuey> heh
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# [14:46] <Ms2ger> bsmith, I don't see mfbt depending on nspr either, fwiw
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# [14:47] <bsmith> Ms2ger: it just seems silly to write everything twice
# [14:47] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [14:47] <bsmith> I wonder how many functions we have in Gecko that exist to crash
# [14:47] <Ms2ger> But it doesn't hurt as much if we ignore NSPR ;)
# [14:48] <khuey> well, if you want a sarcastic answer :-D
# [14:48] <bsmith> Well, all of Necko and the SSL implementation is heavily dependent on it
# [14:49] <Ms2ger> khuey, as in, it'd be easier to count those that don't exist to crash?
# [14:49] <bsmith> I think people dream of an NSPR-free Gecko but I think that's a very expensive thing to achieve, unless we just say Necko and PSM and NSS don't count
# [14:49] <Ms2ger> wfm :)
# [14:50] <bsmith> But, since I am always working on Necko and PSM and NSS, it seems strange to ignore them.
# [14:50] <Ms2ger> Well, I never work on them, so it doesn't seem too strange to me :)
# [14:51] <tbsaunde> r2well, I wouldn't mind just removing all of the insanity from nspr, but it seems like that's harder than just killing it all together so....
# [14:51] <Ms2ger> Still easier than removing all the insanity from Gecko :)
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# [14:52] <Ms2ger> Also, I'll be happy enough if I don't have to use nspr for integer types
# [14:52] <tbsaunde> true
# [14:53] <tbsaunde> but the idea of rebasing across a mass rename scars me a bit
# [14:53] <tbsaunde> *scares
# [14:53] <Ms2ger> The bool rename made me quite optimistic about that
# [14:54] <khuey> if you removed all the insanity from Gecko it would no longer work with the web
# [14:54] <Ms2ger> Indeed
# [14:54] <edmorley> what would we have to moan about as well? :-)
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# [14:54] <Ms2ger> edmorley, the "best viewed with Chrome" banners
# [14:54] <bsmith> Killing NSPR isn't easy. There are many, many lines of code in NSS that depend on it
# [14:54] <bsmith> and replacing NSS isn't easy
# [14:55] <Ms2ger> Oh, it's definitely not easy
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# [14:55] <bsmith> in fact, it is so hard, that despite its many flaws, it is one of the few things Chrome didn't rewrite and replace
# [14:55] <Ms2ger> But the question is if we should move towards that goal
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# [14:55] <bsmith> Toward what goal?
# [14:56] <Ms2ger> Removing our dependency on NSPR
# [14:56] <Ms2ger> Possibly excluding NSS
# [14:56] <bsmith> The thing is, I looked at just that earlier this weekend
# [14:56] <bsmith> And, there are very few parts of NSPR that Gecko depends on, that NSS doesn't
# [14:56] <khuey> removing NSPR is silly for another reason
# [14:56] <bsmith> so, NSPR doesn't get any smaller
# [14:56] <khuey> we don't have the resources to fix stuff that isn't broken
# [14:56] <bsmith> exatly
# [14:57] <Ms2ger> we don't have the resources to fix stuff that is broken either :)
# [14:57] <bsmith> :)
# [14:57] <khuey> indeed
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# [14:57] <bsmith> That is kind of my point. How many patches for *_Assert() do we want to write to get it to work well
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# [14:58] <tbsaunde> bsmith: first you get to specify "well" :)
# [14:59] <bsmith> I guess it is defined "crash with a usable stack trace on every platform we care about"
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# [15:00] <bsmith> I feel like there's got to be some synergy between mfbt and NSPR anyway
# [15:00] <tbsaunde> so, having a reasonably named thing that does that sounds good
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# [15:00] <tbsaunde> but I think I also want something that is stronger than a warning and prints a stack, but continues
# [15:01] <tbsaunde> and a pony :)
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# [15:01] <bsmith> because, we need to be able to rely on PR[U]int types corresponding to the [u]int*_t types in the obvious way.
# [15:01] <bsmith> which, apparently is not necessarily the case now
# [15:02] <bsmith> (The reason for that is, the rest of Gecko gives Necko [u]int*_t goodness, and it gets converted to PR[U]int* "badness" when passed to NSPR)
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# [15:03] <bsmith> Some things in NSPR seem easy to replace, like the PR_str* functions
# [15:03] <khuey> dbaron: ping?
# [15:03] <@dbaron> khuey, pong
# [15:03] <no_gravity> Hello! Is it not possible anymore to sort bookmarks in FF? Im using nightly and cannot find a way to sort them.
# [15:04] <khuey> dbaron: got a couple style system questions if you have a minute
# [15:04] <bsmith> but, then you look at them and you realize that PR_str* does (useful) null checks that the stdlib.h/string.h functions don't do
# [15:04] <@dbaron> khuey, sure
# [15:04] <tbsaunde> bsmith: is that always useful?
# [15:05] <khuey> dbaron: what's the lifetime of nsCSSValues?
# [15:05] <bsmith> tbsaunde: no
# [15:05] <khuey> what owns them, etc?
# [15:05] <tbsaunde> certainly sometimes you want to null check, but sometimes you know they're non-null
# [15:05] <bsmith> But, tell me what code in Gecko relies on those null checks
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# [15:05] <@dbaron> khuey, the most common owner is that they're used to represent the values in property:value pairs in style sheet representations
# [15:05] <bsmith> and note that nsCRT::str* is defined in terms of PR_str*
# [15:05] <@dbaron> khuey, so they're owned by the data block, which is owned by the declaration, which is owned by the style rule, which is owned by the sheet
# [15:06] <@dbaron> khuey, and the sheet is owned by the document if it's a real sheet
# [15:06] <@dbaron> khuey, or if it's in a style attribute there's just a style rule that's owned by the element
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# [15:06] <khuey> dbaron: the sheet being an nsCSSStyleSheet(Inner?)
# [15:06] <@dbaron> khuey, yeah
# [15:06] <tbsaunde> bsmith: no idea, I'm not saying change them all now
# [15:06] <@dbaron> khuey, there are probably some other uses of nsCSSValue, though
# [15:06] <tbsaunde> bsmith: but maybe if your changing it anyway why not pr_strcmp -> strcmp?
# [15:07] <tbsaunde> and while I haven't looked at many of the pr_* I got the impression they were not particularly optimized
# [15:07] <khuey> dbaron: ok, and whats the difference between nsCSSStyleSheet and nsCSSStyleSheetInner?
# [15:07] <bsmith> Mostly they are "check for null and then call str*"
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# [15:08] <@dbaron> khuey, copy-on-write sharing
# [15:08] <khuey> ah
# [15:08] <@dbaron> khuey, primarily when a style sheet is used twice in the same document
# [15:08] <tbsaunde> bsmith: ook, the one I saw did the work itself
# [15:09] <khuey> dbaron: it appears we also share sheets across documents? at least some of the builtin stuff
# [15:09] <@dbaron> khuey, for UA style sheets and I think also for XUL stuff when there's a prototype document
# [15:10] <khuey> ok
# [15:10] <@dbaron> khuey, In some of those cases we might not even be running Clone() so that we have two outers...
# [15:10] <khuey> dbaron: thanks, I think I have enough to figure out the style stuff I need to deal with
# [15:10] <@dbaron> khuey, ok, good
# [15:10] <khuey> now to find someone to fix imagelib to not be stupid
# [15:11] <edmorley> good luck with that :-)
# [15:11] <khuey> srsly
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# [15:16] <@smaug> khuey: how is it stupid?
# [15:16] <Ms2ger> How is it not? :)
# [15:16] * @smaug has looked at imagelib once and it wasn't that bad
# [15:16] <khuey> smaug: the observer API is kind of designed to have a different observer object for each load, not to have a single observer for multiple loads
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# [15:16] <edmorley> on the scale of 1 to editor, perhaps not so much...
# [15:17] <Ms2ger> edmorley++
# [15:17] <khuey> which is kind of annoying
# [15:17] <edmorley> anyhow, mandatory editor dig for the day done, time for more Christmas overeating :-D
# [15:17] <Ms2ger> Enjoy :)
# [15:19] * @smaug wonders what kind of code would be such that developers were happy with it :)
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# [15:20] <Ms2ger> smaug, mfbt? :)
# [15:21] <@smaug> Am I brave enough to look at that
# [15:21] <Ms2ger> Or DOM Events, of course
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# [15:22] <Ms2ger> Also, moth is flaky :/
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# [15:48] <lurking> it was down briefly about 20 mins ago..
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# [15:49] <mrseb> hrm, okay
# [15:49] <mrseb> it was down when I tried a couple of times, over the last few hours
# [15:50] <mrseb> it's still stuck on 'sending request...' here
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# [16:06] <anadon> who's up for helping a newbie with XUL problems? I'm getting an error claiming a parsing error, but all appears to be standard.
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# [16:20] <mounir> smaug: you won a @ recently? :)
# [16:20] * mounir should rephrase that
# [16:21] <mounir> smaug: you won an op status recently? :)
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# [16:33] <Ms2ger> mounir, he tried to get khuey and me an @, but got one himself instead ^.^
# [16:33] <khuey> Ms2ger: sounds good to me!
# [16:34] <khuey> // Only pretend const
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# [16:35] <mounir> Ms2ger: that's quite cool, I hope you are proud of your work
# [16:35] * Ms2ger bows
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# [16:37] <Callek> Unfocused: ping?
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# [16:38] <Ms2ger> khuey, feel like following the trail all to the point where we actually have a non-const nsCSSValue? :)
# [16:38] <mcpherrinm> How can software hijack my search page, other than an addon or keyword.URL? I have all addons disabled, and keyword.URL is "default". Yet on my mother's laptop, searches are still going via yahoo.
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# [16:39] <khuey> Ms2ger: nope
# [16:39] <Ms2ger> That's the right spirit, because it's a long way
# [16:40] <smvv> mcpherrinm: dns hijacking?
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# [16:40] <mcpherrinm> smvv: Nope, it's my own DNS server...
# [16:41] <mcpherrinm> Gah, why doesn't windows ship with "grep"?
# [16:41] <mounir> mcpherrinm: you could use that sentense for so many tools...
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# [16:41] <Dagger> it does ship with findstr
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# [16:42] <Callek> Unfocused: assuming you'll see this poke in scrollback; -- I learned today that the plan with Compat By Default is to ship the CR in pre-release builds, are you the one I should ask about "how" and "where" Firefox is doing that, in specifics. If not do you happen to either have a person, a bug# or both to point me at?
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# [16:43] <Dagger> "cd profiledir && findstr /s /l /i yahoo" or so?
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# [16:46] <khuey> firebot: cid
# [16:46] <firebot> {0x71881287, 0x3150, 0x4ceb, {0x96, 0x47, 0x2a, 0x25, 0xe3, 0x5f, 0x2c, 0x39}}
# [16:49] <gregglind_away> \/nick gregglind
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# [16:51] <Ms2ger> khuey, so...
# [16:52] <Ms2ger> I'll just move the nspr-based implementations into your file, OK?
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# [16:54] <ted> mcpherrin: could be a LSP
# [16:54] <ted> which are a PITA
# [16:54] <ted> they intercept things at the winsock level
# [16:55] <khuey> Ms2ger: sgtm
# [16:55] <khuey> dbaron: is nsRuleData always stack allocated?
# [16:56] <khuey> dbaron: it looks like they are
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# [16:56] <@dbaron> khuey, I think so
# [16:57] <gaston> ted: around ?
# [16:57] <ted> gaston: hi
# [16:58] <@smaug> mounir: yup
# [16:58] <gaston> ted: in #694499 you were right, you broke endianess detection on bsd which uses sys/endian.h :)
# [16:58] <ted> i am not shocked :)
# [16:58] <@smaug> mounir: since I complained that there aren't enough ops
# [16:58] <gaston> (yeah sorry i've been offline 3 months)
# [16:58] <ted> s'ok, sorry for breaking you, but that removed a lot of ugliness
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# [16:59] <gaston> ted: what's the best, adding a chunk to configure.in/jscpucfg.h so that it tries to detect that header ?
# [16:59] <khuey> woah gaston is back
# [16:59] <gaston> khuey: slowly, slowly :)
# [16:59] <khuey> gaston: hows the recovery going?
# [16:59] <ted> gaston: yeah, i'd do a JS_HAVE_SYS_ENDIAN_H and then use that in jscpucfg.h
# [16:59] <gaston> ted: ok will try, i'm a bit rusty after 3 months without hacking
# [17:00] <ted> gaston: should be easy enough to parrot what i did for endian.h
# [17:00] <gaston> khuey: not bad, still in wheelchair, recovering hands but right hand will need more surgery, and i can try walking in a few weeks
# [17:00] <ted> or the solaris bits in there too
# [17:00] <ted> gaston: ouch
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# [17:02] <gaston> but i'm in the best physiotherapy center in my area, so things are going better and better
# [17:02] <khuey> good
# [17:02] <khuey> glad to hear things are on the mend
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# [17:02] <gaston> i've seen the invitation for mozcamp europe, that'll be for the next time :)
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# [17:24] <mcpherrin> So turns out mcaffee sticks things in webappsstore.sqlite
# [17:25] <mcpherrin> er, chromeappstore.sqlite I mean
# [17:25] <khuey> like, extra tables?
# [17:26] <mcpherrin> INSERT INTO "webappsstore2" VALUES('emoh.:moz-safe-about','search-engine','{"name":"Secure Search","searchUrl":"http://ca.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&p=_searchTerms_"}',0,NULL);
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# [17:28] <khuey> it's localstorage for chrome
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# [17:36] <Unfocused> Callek: you mean the addon compatibility reporter? that's news to me... you'll want to ask fligtar about that
# [17:36] <Callek> Unfocused: jorgev is the one who told me it was planned/being shipped with prerelease Firefox
# [17:36] <Callek> It was news to me as well
# [17:37] * Callek cycles back to fligtar then
# [17:37] * Unfocused shrugs
# [17:37] <Unfocused> admittedly, i'm a little out of the loop with that stuff... i need to catch up
# [17:38] <Callek> Unfocused: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Features/Add-ons/Add-ons_Default_to_Compatible/Detection_and_Mitigation was a link he handed me that I haven't read in full yet
# [17:39] <Callek> oooo that doesn't say anything about ship--by-default
# [17:39] * Callek looks more
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# [17:39] <Unfocused> yea, didn't think so (after my skim of it a few days ago)
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# [17:41] <Unfocused> Callek: fwiw, testpilot has been shipped bundled - if ACR were to be shipped, it would use the same mechanism
# [17:41] <mcpherrin> Is there a bugzilla component for the dialog that opens after you "Restart with addons disabled". Or, does that dialog have a name? (the one that has a tick box to set search engine back to default)
# [17:41] <Callek> Unfocused: yea, I would just have to mimic the ACR mechanics of shipping for SeaMonkey
# [17:42] <Unfocused> which, iirc (i'm a bit rusty on the procedure), is to put it in /extensions/ in the app directory, and set extensions.distroAddons.<ID>
# [17:42] <Callek> I never looked at exactly how testpilot was shipped, but its the same "end location" in the product structure as we ship our other bundled extensions
# [17:42] <Callek> Unfocused: distribution/extensions :-P
# [17:42] <Unfocused> eh, close enough :P
# [17:42] <Callek> and the pref setting is auto :-)
# [17:42] * Unfocused rarely ever goes near that stuff
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# [17:51] <wg9s> Callek: The problem with the way we package Lab extensions like test pilot in the product is that neither the Lab nor the product people seem to understand how it gets packaged in. I have run into this in trying to get a very simple bug fixed in the past, and i don't reallythink the situation has improved at all since then.
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# [17:51] <wg9s> Was kind of ano one knew where to actually apply the patch I developed, then no one new how to get it into the shipped prodeuct.
# [17:52] <Callek> wg9s: well I have experience in this front with SeaMonkey, and I know I have seen, in part, how TestPilot is done, I just can't recall the details right now
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# [17:53] <Callek> wg9s: my issue is mostly a "lets figure out what is actually happening on Firefox side, or what the plan is, so I can do it for SeaMonkey in a way that appropriately pulls in the ACR, rather than hack up an alternate way"
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# [17:54] <wg9s> My experience is just trying to get the Feedback menu button not to be sized for if you have large icons and making the toollabr taller if you use small icons. Took forever to get it fixed becuase no one seemed to have a clue how to get a change intot the actul product.
# [17:55] <wg9s> Depite the fact that the feedback buttoon making the toolbar taller was actually one of the big feedback comlaints for that beta
# [17:56] <khuey> mmm splinter's rename handling is kinda screwy
# [17:57] <Callek> wg9s: well communication bottlenecks are always a problem, all we can do is identify them and try to rectify them
# [17:57] <wg9s> khuey: do yhou have some context for this? Or are you just venting!
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# [18:01] <wg9s> Callek: Yes it was a communication issue.
# [18:01] <wg9s> LAbs people put a verion at X sid push it out.
# [18:01] <wg9s> it got done somehow magically to them
# [18:01] <wg9s> THey somehow assumed that if they put new code at the same palce it swould get pushed out.
# [18:02] <wg9s> but the other problem was no one on the other side seemed to know who pusshed it out or what they did to make it happen. so kind of 2 communication issues on the same process.
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# [18:02] <wg9s> a process houls have been defined and communicated.
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# [18:05] <wg9s> s/houls/should/ Now that is a typo I have no idea where it came from other than my crappy typing ;-)
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# [18:06] <wg9s> I can't even figure any basis whatsoever to blame it on a crappy keyboard.
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# [18:20] <mitz> hey guys please help me out
# [18:20] <mitz> khuey
# [18:20] <mitz> there?
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# [18:21] <mitz> Jesse
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# [18:41] <brahmana|web> Hi
# [18:41] <brahmana|web> Can someone familiar with necko and image loading take a look at this : https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Brahmana/Netwerk_Docs/Image_Loading_v2 ?
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# [18:42] <brahmana|web> It is a doc about image loading that I wrote. I want to know if I got it right and whether I am missing some key parts.
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# [18:43] <brahmana|web> I was hoping I could catch bz or biesi, but sadly I don't see them.
# [18:44] <brahmana|web> Anyone else who could help me with this?
# [18:44] <mounir> khuey: ping
# [18:45] <khuey> mounir: pong
# [18:45] <mounir> khuey: seems like you did reply in the bug :)
# [18:45] <Ms2ger> brahmana|web, I'd suggest emailing them
# [18:46] <khuey> mounir: it takes a non-zero amount of time for the bugmail to reach my inbox
# [18:46] <khuey> and for me to download, read, and respond
# [18:47] <khuey> brahmana|web: well the first thing that jumps out at me is that there's more ways to load images than just through nsImageLoadingContent
# [18:47] <brahmana|web> Ms2ger: Ok. I think I can get biesi on gmail.
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# [18:47] <brahmana|web> khuey: ok.. like?
# [18:48] <khuey> brahmana|web: things like background-image and border-image
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# [18:48] <khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=nsContentUtils::LoadImage
# [18:48] <khuey> there's some crazy xul stuff too
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# [18:49] <sheppy> khuey: some?
# [18:49] <brahmana|web> oh.. so the CSS referenced images do not go through nsHTMLImageElement?
# [18:49] <khuey> yes
# [18:49] <khuey> brahmana|web: right
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# [18:50] <Ms2ger> Morning Waldo
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# [18:50] <Waldo> morning
# [18:51] <brahmana|web> khuey: But they do eventually get served by the imgRequest (or imgRequestProxy) as I have written, right?
# [18:51] <khuey> brahmana|web: yes, once they get to imagelib they're the same
# [18:51] <mounir> khuey: eh, no wory, I wasn't complaining because you didn't respond yet but my webapi tree is compiling so I had some time to fix that
# [18:53] <brahmana|web> khuey: The imgCacheEntry holds a reference to imgRequest which holds a reference to a nsIChannel object. Does that mean the channel object which loaded an image is alive in the memory as long as the imgCacheEntry for that image exists?
# [18:53] <johanc> "Bugzilla has suffered an internal error." oh dear
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# [18:53] <sheppy> Ouch
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# [18:53] <khuey> brahmana|web: if that's what the code does, yes
# [18:54] <khuey> oh hey, bugzilla is dead
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# [18:54] <@smaug> yeah
# [18:54] <@smaug> again :(
# [18:54] <khuey> mounir: ok, now you need to convince people that warnings as errors is actually something we want
# [18:54] <johanc> I think that might've been me
# [18:54] <johanc> :(
# [18:54] <johanc> sorry
# [18:54] <Callek> smaug: my build is again starting to cycle up, so when you see mccr8 let me know :-) I'll likely switch to your try build late tonight if he doesn't come around and wish to debug
# [18:54] <Callek> CC timestamp: 1325008021968000, collected: 242433 (242433 waiting for GC), suspected: 292797, duration: 1682 ms.
# [18:54] <nemo> hm. so. I have this calendar that is a table { table-layout: fixed; width: 100%; } and recently I've noticed an odd Firefox layout bug
# [18:54] <nemo> sometimes, but not always, when hitting back, the table is not full page width
# [18:55] <nemo> is like it gets laid out, then some other element (parent? gets expanded) and the table is never updated.
# [18:55] <nemo> just a guess though, and appears to be new firefox behaviour.
# [18:55] <johanc> should I send the wall of errors to the email specified or should I poke someone on irc?
# [18:55] <@smaug> Callek: I really wish I knew what is causing that
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# [18:55] <@smaug> Callek: any chance you could try to find regression range
# [18:55] <brahmana|web> khuey: A channel can be read only once right? i.e. after onStopRequest is issued I cannot asyncOpen it, isn't it?
# [18:55] <mounir> khuey: I've heard people tried in the past and it was unsuccesful :(
# [18:56] <khuey> mounir: indeed
# [18:56] <khuey> this is the fun part
# [18:56] <khuey> brahmana|web: I believe that's correct
# [18:56] <johanc> oh look, bugzilla is back
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# [18:56] <Callek> smaug: since i don't have "clean" repro steps, the only useful regression range searching would be a group of us regression hunting with builds running for at least half a week at a time..... and needing a coordinated effort
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# [18:57] <Callek> smaug: if you ever hear of any steps that cause it, in practically "emmediate" repro steps, I'll *happily* take it and run with it for a regression range, but the fact that it was fine last night, and early this morning makes me leery that there is an easy way to repro
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# [18:58] <@smaug> yeah
# [18:58] <brahmana|web> imgRequest references the underlying channel like this : nsCOMPtr<nsIChannel> mChannel; -- that is a strong reference right?
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# [18:58] <Callek> smaug: if you hear of any coordinated efforts to find a range, go ahead and ping me and I will also happily run with a given rev/download/try-build for a while to help figure it out :-)
# [18:59] <khuey> brahmana|web: yes
# [18:59] <@smaug> Callek: anyhow, I'm trying to improve the situation. Currently testing quite hackish changes, which give me CC times usually around 7-15ms
# [18:59] <@smaug> Callek: btw, did you test the tryserver build?
# [18:59] <Callek> but yea, doing it (regression range hunting) myself will be fruitless.
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# [18:59] <Callek> I did not test it yet, I planned to keep this bad session running for a few days incase mccr8 wanted to debug anything first
# [19:00] <@smaug> Callek: did you get the bad CC times in non-tryserver build?
# [19:00] <@smaug> ah, ok
# [19:00] <Callek> I'll jump onto your try build tonight one way or another
# [19:00] <@smaug> mccr8 is on vacation for few days, I think
# [19:00] <Callek> ooo few days,:/ ok
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# [19:00] <Callek> but yea, later this evening I'll switch over to your try build, and run with it for a few days, I should know by the first of next week the latest if it seem(ed) to help
# [19:01] <Callek> or even solve it
# [19:01] <Callek> :-)
# [19:01] <@smaug> well, I decided today that my goal should be to get average CC time down to 10ms :)
# [19:02] <nemo> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/246758/use_a_64bit_pc_instead_of_firefox_try_waterfox_90.html - huh. is this nothing more than a 64 bit build?
# [19:02] <@smaug> on this machine
# [19:02] <ted> djc: ping
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# [19:03] <ted> nemo: sounds like it
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# [19:04] <Callek> nemo: I see optimized for speed, so probably a higher O level and not PGO, also I suspect it tweaked a few prefs that they (possibly wrongly) suspect affect perf better than our defaults
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# [19:06] <nemo> ted: ah. well. to get 64 bit on our one windows machine, I just run nightly, so not of interest to my SO and I :)
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# [19:07] <brahmana|web> khuey: In what other way can that "mChannel" referenced by imgRequest be freed apart from setting it to null?
# [19:07] <khuey> there is no other way
# [19:07] <ted> nemo: i can't imagine it offers anything beyond that
# [19:07] <ted> but who knows what goofy optimization flags they're using
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# [19:09] <brahmana|web> khuey: now I wonder why would be keep the channel around in the cache (via the imgCacheEntry).. !!
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# [19:09] <johanc> Is it possible to change the "title" of a bug? :S
# [19:10] <brahmana|web> sorry.. correct that.. we release the channel
# [19:10] <tbsaunde> johanc: the summary is the title
# [19:10] <tbsaunde> and is editable
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# [19:11] <johanc> summary* sorry
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# [19:11] <johanc> tbsaunde: oh I had to press edit again
# [19:11] <johanc> tbsaunde: thanks
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# [19:14] <johanc> any good way to describe the document area of the browser?
# [19:14] <johanc> document viewport?
# [19:14] <johanc> browser viewport?
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# [19:21] <Waldo> johanc: depends on your context; "viewport" would be the CSS term, "content area" might be the browser-implementer-centric term, probably others as well
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# [19:22] <johanc> Waldo: I was just about to write content, content area sounds even better, cheers
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# [19:24] <gregglind> Unfocused, Callek, do you have you more testpilot questions?
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# [19:25] <Callek> gregglind: I don't think either of us had unresolved questions
# [19:25] <gregglind> okay, no problems!
# [19:25] <Callek> I was asking over ACR and since testpilot is shipped bundled, which would be similar to how ACR would be, it was simply mentioned
# [19:25] * Callek guesses you either read all scrollback or have testpilot as a highlight ;-)
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# [19:26] <gregglind> I do have it in highlight.
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# [19:32] <khuey> Ms2ger: did modules get the axe from webidl?
# [19:32] <Ms2ger> I think so
# [19:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a8be91348c31 - Olli Pettay - Bug 710380 - IndexedDB could use the dictionary reader, r=khuey
# [19:32] <Ms2ger> Yep
# [19:32] <khuey> cool
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# [19:38] <Asa> snow in Firefox is faster but jerkier I think. also, why don't the web fonts work in Firefox? http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/performance/letitsnow/
# [19:39] <Ms2ger> SVG fonts?
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# [19:41] <khuey> looks like it's using woff
# [19:42] <Asa> yeah. it's woff
# [19:43] <Asa> [10:36:53.849] downloadable font: rejected by sanitizer (font-family: "Jester" style:normal weight:normal stretch:normal src index:1)
# [19:43] <Asa> source: http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/performance/letitsnow/fonts/Jester.woff @ http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/performance/letitsnow/css/default.css
# [19:43] <Asa> what's a sanitizer?
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# [19:43] <bsmith> Asa: it makes sure the font is safe to use
# [19:44] <bsmith> Asa: It is possible to build malicious fonts that contain exploits
# [19:44] <Asa> bsmith: so it's an unsafe font?
# [19:44] <Asa> but microsoft is pushing it and it works in ie.
# [19:44] <bsmith> Asa: most likely, the sanitizer is being too conservative
# [19:44] <Asa> false positive
# [19:44] <Asa> worth a bug?
# [19:44] <bsmith> Yes, since it is on the IE testdrive site
# [19:45] <Asa> btw, the web console is awesome
# [19:45] <Pike> some of those bugs have actually been helpful feedback to the font designer in the past
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# [19:45] <Asa> filing
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# [19:46] <Asa> bsmith: what component for Woff sanitizer?
# [19:46] <Asa> WOFF even
# [19:46] <Asa> wuf :-)
# [19:46] <khuey> Layout::Text and something probably
# [19:47] <khuey> just make sure jfkthame is CCd
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# [19:47] <bsmith> Core: Layout(Text), based on bug 552216
# [19:47] <Asa> ok
# [19:47] <Asa> thanks
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# [19:50] <Asa> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713688
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# [20:02] <firebot> mook_as was last seen 5 days, 17 hours, 42 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying 'also, your bugzilla login name was (your nick)@netbsd.org, I think. (no idea about passwords, of course, just abusing CC autocompletion)' in #developers.
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# [20:12] <jesup> Asa: There's something ironic about crashing (fennec) while viewing an entry from about:crashes :-(
# [20:13] <Asa> haha
# [20:13] <Asa> OK. now I can't connect to AMO
# [20:13] <Asa> wtf.
# [20:14] <khuey> AMO is down
# [20:14] <Asa> :(
# [20:14] <Asa> how will I get my Cheevos score up!
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# [20:19] <mario> hi everyone, does anybody knows what that error means: error trying to exec '/usr/bin/../llvm-gcc-4.2/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin11-llvm-gcc-4.2': execvp: No such file or directory
# [20:19] <mario> clang: error: gcc frontend command failed with exit code 255 (use -v to see invocation)
# [20:19] <mario> -- i am tryin' to build a universal build on mac
# [20:19] <mario> (intel) gecko 2.0++
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# [20:22] <@smaug> powerpc o_O
# [20:22] <Waldo> we don't ship powerpc support any more, do we? or do we?
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# [20:23] <mario> no i do not want to compile for powerpc- that is the thing
# [20:23] <mario> but why the build system things it has to?!?
# [20:23] <wg9s> Cheevos? are those like Cheetos?
# [20:23] <mario> it should be a gecko 2.0+ build on intel - so i expect the build to be i386 and x86_64
# [20:23] <mbrubeck> hmm, why is my merge burning?
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# [20:23] * mbrubeck starts loading clobberer, then checks logs
# [20:24] <lurking_work> android junk
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# [20:24] <mbrubeck> configure: error: in `/builds/slave/m-cen-andrd-xul/build/obj-firefox/js/src/ctypes/libffi': configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
# [20:24] <mario> ?!?
# [20:24] <Ms2ger> Sounds like Android to me
# [20:25] <wg9s> mbrubek look at your config.og file for the real error.
# [20:25] <mbrubeck> this is from mozilla-central tinderbox
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# [20:25] <mbrubeck> It doesn't seem to print the config.log
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# [20:25] <mbrubeck> checking for arm-linux-android-gcc... (cached) /tools/android-ndk-r5c/toolchains/arm-linux-androideabi-4.4.3/prebuilt/linux-x86/bin/arm-linux-androideabi-gcc
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# [20:26] <lurking_work> looks like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712594 failed at least once on m-i with same error -
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# [20:27] <mbrubeck> oh, thanks lurking_work
# [20:27] <wg9s> mbrubeck: well perhaps need to file a bug on that. FOr that error specifically the config .log file is the way to diagnose the real issue, form my experience.
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# [20:28] <mario> can i explictly disable ppc build?
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# [20:28] <wg9s> IT would seem privding the config.log file for a build that dies on the configure step would be essential in debugging the issue.
# [20:29] <mbrubeck> mario: What version of Firefox are you building?
# [20:29] <mario> 8.0
# [20:29] <mario> or better 8.01
# [20:29] <mbrubeck> PowerPC should be disabled by default in 4.0 and later...
# [20:29] <mario> i know, but toolkit is freakin me
# [20:30] <mario> its in tier_nspr: nsprpub config/nspr
# [20:30] <mario> and then comes the line: clang -arch ppc -o now.o -c ........
# [20:30] <mario> arghh
# [20:30] <mario> any hints where i can look for?
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# [20:31] <mario> it is in the generated autoconf.mk in the nsprpub/config subdirectory
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# [20:34] <mario> mhh.. has it something todo with that fact, that i am trying to build a custom app without using libxul-sdk
# [20:36] <Waldo> firebot: ping
# [20:36] <firebot> Waldo: pong
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# [20:41] <dholbert> is bugzilla slow to load today, or is it just me?
# [20:41] <lurking_work> its slow
# [20:41] <Ms2ger> Not just you
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# [20:46] <dholbert> seems to not be responding at all now... asking about it in #bmo
# [20:46] <jdm> wooo, view-source numbering :D
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# [20:54] <mario> can anybody point me to a document, how to build a custom app with mozilla's build system inclusive update-packaging and installer (like with firefox, thunderbird and so on)
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# [20:59] <mbrubeck> mario: I don't know of a how-to document for that use case... there are general build system docs at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/How_Mozilla%27s_build_system_works
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# [21:00] <mario> thx - i've read it 5times or so. but i can't get my head around the installer and update-packaging stuff - still getting errors
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# [21:00] <mbrubeck> You might want to take a look at the Fennec build files like http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/xul/build.mk for an example of an app that's a bit simpler than /browser
# [21:01] <mario> thx
# [21:01] <mario> looks great
# [21:01] <mbrubeck> see also http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/xul/installer/ and http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/xul/confvars.sh
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# [21:02] <mario> thx
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# [21:08] <mario> ok, back to my orginal question - the build system tries (guesses) that i have an powerpc, but i don't. can i force it - within a universal build
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# [21:14] <mbrubeck> mario: I have no idea, but looking through the configure code, it looks like it defaults to ppc here if "target_cpu" is not set... http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/nsprpub/configure.in#1374
# [21:15] <mario> thx
# [21:15] <mario> i was already there
# [21:15] <mario> how do i set this?
# [21:15] <mario> --with-arch?
# [21:15] <mario> --target?
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# [21:16] <mario> --enable-macosx-target?
# [21:16] <mbrubeck> looking...
# [21:16] * khuey grumbles
# [21:16] <khuey> partial interfaces are a bitch to implement in a parser
# [21:17] <mbrubeck> --target looks like it, though I'm sure exactly what to pass
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# [21:17] <mbrubeck> hey, maybe khuey knows why mario's build is defaulting to --arch ppc
# [21:17] <mario> mh. what is the option for --target?
# [21:17] <mario> i have: x86_64-apple-darwin11.2.0
# [21:18] <mbrubeck> It sounds like maybe that option isn't making it into the nsprpub configure script for some reason. :/
# [21:18] <Ms2ger> khuey, then don't implement them
# [21:18] <Ms2ger> It's not like we would use them
# [21:18] <mbrubeck> I'm afraid I'm just as lost as you, though.
# [21:19] <khuey> Ms2ger: yeah
# [21:19] <khuey> that's a good point
# [21:19] <lurking_work> mbrubeck: android xul just went green - looks like the clobber worked :)
# [21:19] <mbrubeck> \o/
# [21:19] * mbrubeck also wonders why there is no native android build on m-c tip
# [21:20] <khuey> mbrubeck: no idea
# [21:20] <khuey> not really a mac person
# [21:21] <mbrubeck> mario: Have you tried clobbering (rm -r) the nsprpub directory in your objdir and rebuilding?
# [21:21] <mbrubeck> Not sure if it'll help, but it's the first thing I would try.
# [21:21] <mario> i've deleted the whole obj-dir
# [21:21] <mario> same thing
# [21:21] <mario> what is clobbering?
# [21:22] <Ms2ger> Removing your objdir
# [21:22] <mario> ah ok
# [21:22] <mario> i did
# [21:22] <khuey> Ms2ger: oh, webidl allows shadowing
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# [21:25] <gaston> is there a way to pass MOZ_CHECK_HEADERS an extra header to include in the test ? doesn't seem so from mozheader.m4
# [21:26] <gaston> in my case sys/endian.h cant be included as is, it needs sys/types.h first
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# [21:28] <gaston> otherwise i'll resort to ac_try_compile with a handcrafted test...
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# [21:30] <Ms2ger> gaston, sounds like a bug ;)
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# [21:34] <mario> mmhh… i've hacked the autoconf.mk in the nsprpub to x86_64
# [21:34] <mario> no the build seems to run
# [21:34] <mario> -> strange
# [21:34] <mario> any suggestions?
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# [21:44] <hub> mario: let me find the bug #
# [21:45] <hub> mario: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702997
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# [21:46] <hub> mbrubeck: and FYI I believe it is this bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702997
# [21:46] <hub> but it should be fixed in mozilla-central
# [21:46] <mbrubeck> thanks hub!
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# [21:49] <hub> now if it still happens with mozilla-central, I suggest you either reopen or file a new bug
# [21:50] <mario> thx
# [21:50] <mario> bugzilla is slow today
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# [22:10] <mario> thx. that was it
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# [22:19] <@dbaron> have there been changes to the way we interact with native filepickers recently?
# [22:19] <@dbaron> I've just crashed twice with a GTK assert
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# [22:20] <Ms2ger> Nothing that I can recall
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# [22:26] <@dbaron> also something broke the Linux icon with --enable-official-branding in the past few weeks
# [22:26] <@dbaron> my --enable-official-branding build now has a broken icon
# [22:27] <@dbaron> I guess I should file bugs...
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# [22:42] <Ms2ger> Hrm
# [22:42] <Ms2ger> philor, yt?
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# [22:43] <philor> Ms2ger: kinda
# [22:43] <Ms2ger> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=91b4c168e551
# [22:43] <Ms2ger> Android looks pretty awful there
# [22:44] <Ms2ger> (This is aurora)
# [22:44] <Ms2ger> Is it my fault? :)
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# [22:45] <philor> maybe so, maybe no
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# [22:46] <Ms2ger> It worked on m-c :/
# [22:47] <philor> mbrubeck: I can't remember, how can I tell for sure that android on try from aurora isn't starting because the package name isn't what it expects?
# [22:48] * mbrubeck looks
# [22:49] <mbrubeck> philor: Yeah, looks like it...
# [22:49] <mbrubeck> at least, that *could* be what the ActivityNotFoundException means
# [22:49] <mbrubeck> might need to back out the mozconfig branding patches from Aurora or something
# [22:50] <mario> haa: update
# [22:50] <mario> the trick is to not use the --target option on macosx 64
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# [22:50] <wg9s> what happens if you change the name is that it tries to alter things that only a package named X has privs todo and you come along and try to do it with something named Y so it fails.
# [22:50] <mario> puh
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# [22:51] <mbrubeck> Ms2ger: Try pushing to Try with http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/da3138dae996 backed out
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# [22:51] <Ms2ger> Thanks
# [22:52] <mbrubeck> (or if you have a green Try run on Android from trunk, that's probably good enough -- they haven't had that long to diverge yet)
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# [22:54] <wg9s> This is security enforced on the device itself.
# [22:56] <wg9s> designed to prevent other apps from being able to muck with Firefox/Fennec settings.
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# [22:58] <johanc> what dark magic is the alt key composed o?
# [22:58] <johanc> of*
# [22:59] <wg9s> johanc: Same magic as Shift and Ctrtl key. IT modifies what other keys do when pressed in combination.
# [23:01] <johanc> wg9s: oh
# [23:01] <johanc> wg9s: eh :D
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# [23:05] <johanc> oh there we go
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# [23:40] <NeilAway> gaston: hmm, I thought glandium added support for that
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# [23:42] <NeilAway> gaston: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in#8774
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# [23:57] <jhammink> mfinkle: is this the location of your latest zippity testharness: http://people.mozilla.com/~mfinkle/zippity/testharness-mobile.xpi
# [23:57] <jhammink> ?
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# [23:58] <jhammink> or is there perchance a newer one somewhere?
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