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- # Session Start: Fri Dec 30 00:00:01 2011
- # Session Ident: #developers
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- # [00:09] <mcpherrin> win 5
- # [00:09] <ehsan> smaug: sure will do
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- # [00:19] <blassey> bz_pto: if you need an android phone to debug on I can lend you one
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- # [00:33] <philor> oh, bless your little crossed eyes test_IHistory.cpp, I couldn't figure out why igor's timeout would have persisted past being backed out, but it's just you, drool running down your chin, staring off into space
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- # [00:44] <evilpie> dria: is it okay when i split Landed/Shipped of from the big table in Features/Platform ?
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- # [00:46] <dria> evilpie: probably, yeah
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- # [00:47] <evilpie> oh looks like i found the first outdated entry because of this
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- # [00:52] <ejpbruel> it seems that every time i pull from mozilla-central, a make file in ipc/ breaks
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- # [00:54] <ejpbruel> im not sure how to fix it
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- # [00:54] <ejpbruel> im also missing a defs.mk file/
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- # [00:56] <ejpbruel> hm, revert all did the trick, but i wonder why it was needed in the first place?
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- # [00:57] <ejpbruel> oh well
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- # [01:03] <khuey> heycam: ping
- # [01:04] <heycam> khuey, pong
- # [01:04] <khuey> heycam: how come arrays of interfaces are allowed but arrays of dictionaries aren't?
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- # [01:05] <heycam> khuey, because dictionaries are "pass by value"-like things, like C++ maps. and just like the restrictions on types you can use for attribtues (i.e. not sequences or dictionaries), I don't want accessing array elements to wastefully construct a new JS object for the dictionary each time
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- # [01:05] <khuey> mmm
- # [01:05] <heycam> (like C++ maps being passed by value, that is)
- # [01:06] <khuey> that's a good point
- # [01:06] <heycam> if you want to return a JS Array of them, you can have an operation return a sequence<dictionarytype>
- # [01:06] <heycam> that's fine, because it's more obvious that calling the function can return a new object
- # [01:07] <khuey> right
- # [01:07] <khuey> another question
- # [01:07] <khuey> const <interface> foo; obviously isn't allowed since you can't initialize it
- # [01:08] <khuey> is const <interface>? foo = null; allowed?
- # [01:09] <heycam> khuey, no, that should be a type you can't use for a constant
- # [01:09] <khuey> the only thing I see forbidding it is the grammar
- # [01:09] <khuey> ok
- # [01:09] <heycam> ok, might benefit from an additional sentence pointing that out
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- # [01:12] <khuey> heycam: one last question
- # [01:12] <khuey> does 'any?' make any sense
- # [01:12] <khuey> pun not intended
- # [01:12] <khuey> oh, nevermind
- # [01:12] <khuey> the spec covers that
- # [01:12] <heycam> khuey, yeah, disallowed
- # [01:12] <khuey> sweet
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- # [01:29] <khuey> philor++
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- # [01:31] <philor> that's gotta be the freakiest set we have, though
- # [01:32] <philor> right over on the edge of impossible
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- # [01:33] <philor> hmm, unless it's a timebomb
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- # [02:34] <Callek_Away> when did mozillians start using browserID?
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- # [02:37] <Callek_Away> anyone seen jimm lately?
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- # [02:37] <pedro> Callek_Away: according to the dashboard, yesterday
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- # [02:38] <pedro> don take my work for granted, just reading it
- # [02:38] <Callek_Away> I was surprised to have to "re" sign up to access it ;-)
- # [02:38] <Callek_Away> O well
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- # [02:39] <Callek_Away> browserID is a good thing, and makes sense ;-)
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- # [02:40] <jdm> a bug reporter called regression bisection fun
- # [02:40] <jdm> we might have a new convert
- # [02:40] <dholbert> jdm, have they discovered mozregression yet?
- # [02:40] <jdm> dholbert: yeah, I asked them to use it to find the regresison range
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- # [02:41] <jdm> hence the comment
- # [02:41] <dholbert> cool -- I was gonna say, if they hadn't, then it would totally make their day. :)
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- # [02:42] <reuben> Callek_Away, apparently some mobile users can't login now, though :/
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- # [02:42] <Callek_Away> reuben: hrm, interesting; it does launch a new window though with browserID, I suspect some mobile devices don't work well with that workflow
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- # [02:44] <reuben> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.mozillians/Ng6tXe24U5s/-G6uytnvWkwJ
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- # [02:44] <reuben> and yea, apparently some mobile browsers don't like popups
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- # [03:35] <reuben> didn't someone make a tool that measures how much time it takes for an event to get processed to measure responsiveness?
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- # [03:35] <reuben> nvm, found it
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- # [03:48] <tbsaunde> jdm-away: gues I could, though I don't have a windows build env thats current
- # [03:49] * tbsaunde wonders how he missed that :(
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- # [04:02] <reed> is there a bug on tooltips being broken?
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- # [04:03] <reed> tooltips not working is really a killer
- # [04:03] <reed> :/
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- # [04:09] <Unfocused> reed: that's the first i've heard of it
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- # [04:21] <Unfocused> "Txul decrease 67.4% on Android 2.2"
- # [04:22] <Unfocused> if that's not incorrect... wow
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- # [04:26] <bholley> Unfocused: some of those are totally garbage
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- # [04:27] <bholley> Unfocused: I know Tshutdown used to have massive variance. Not sure if Txul is the same
- # [04:28] * KWierso thinks it needs renamed for android...
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- # [04:29] <Unfocused> well, there was a bug that looked like it should have positively affected that... otherwise i would automatically assume bullshit
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- # [04:29] <Unfocused> (bug 709492)
- # [04:29] <Unfocused> er
- # [04:29] <Unfocused> firewolfbot: bug 709492
- # [04:30] <firewolfbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709492 nor, P1, ---, pwalton, ASSI, Suppress draw events and browser size changes during navigation
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- # [04:33] <khuey> heh
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- # [04:47] <reed> Unfocused: I'm on yesterday's nightly... let me update
- # [04:47] <reed> see if it helps
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- # [05:07] <darktrojan> well done, firewolfbot
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- # [05:47] <tbsaunde> 1espeak ee
- # [05:48] <tbsaunde> sorry
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- # [06:06] <qheaden> What component would a print-to-file bug be filed under?
- # [06:06] <qheaden> I see a print to file bug categorized under File Handling. But I just want to make sure that is correct.
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- # [06:14] <jdm-away> qheaden: probably core: printing
- # [06:14] <qheaden> jdm-away: Thanks
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- # [06:16] <jdm> bholley: were you looking for me?
- # [06:17] <qheaden> jdm: It seems that core::printing is also under Mailnews core. I am fixing this for firefox. Would that make a difference in module owners?
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- # [06:18] <jdm> qheaden: I'm not sure what you're asking, but I still think Core: Printing: Output is probably the right component
- # [06:19] <qheaden> jdm: Basically, I'm just trying to find out who would be the module owner to talk to.
- # [06:19] <qheaden> I want to work on this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=554600
- # [06:19] <philor> hahaha
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- # [06:22] <philor> but that, bringing up a useful filepicker with a useful default location, would be file handling, and nobody will know whether it's per-app or core until they look at the code
- # [06:23] <qheaden> I'm pretty sure it is core.
- # [06:23] <qheaden> I'll contact the file handling owner.
- # [06:23] <darktrojan> just fix it and then you don't have to worry about it
- # [06:23] <darktrojan> :)
- # [06:23] <qheaden> :)
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- # [06:28] <philor> you'd be far better off hoping and claiming that it is not core, and getting a browser peer interested (by making it clear you're talking about the file picker, and the default directory, not about printing)
- # [06:29] <philor> that way, even if it turns out to be core, you've got someone hooked when you come face to face with the way that core : file handling is unowned, and has been for years
- # [06:30] <qheaden> OK then. So I'll speak to one of the browser peers like to suggested.
- # [06:30] <qheaden> I'll try to speak to one tomorrow in the IRC.
- # [06:31] <Unfocused> the platform team must love you, giving their work to fx-team :P
- # [06:32] <philor> whose work?
- # [06:33] <philor> the last people who came vaguely close to owning it were bryner and bz, around 2004 or so
- # [06:33] <KWierso> philor: nobody@mozilla.org
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- # [06:34] <philor> if it's core, and my vague memory of opening a filepicker says it may not be, it might be platform specific and could possibly edge into owned territory through widget: foo, but probably not
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- # [06:35] <qheaden> I'll have to run it on Linux as well to see what the behavior is. On windows, it saves to the installation directory, and without a file extension.
- # [06:35] <qheaden> What kind of file is it anyway?
- # [06:35] <qheaden> Or supposed to be.
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- # [06:36] <philor> got me - on OS X, print-to-PDF is just part of the system print dialog
- # [06:36] <KWierso> qheaden: heh, I get a "Could not open the file: Access is denied" error message when trying to print to file
- # [06:37] <qheaden> I think I've nailed it down to this: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/printing/content/printdialog.js#447
- # [06:37] <KWierso> guess UAC's too much for it to handle...
- # [06:37] <qheaden> KWierso: Exactly. Because it is trying to save in a privileged directory without admnistrator rights.
- # [06:37] <qheaden> Run it as an administrator, and it will work. :)
- # [06:37] <philor> UAC is probably 10 years into its future
- # [06:37] <darktrojan> on linux the print dialog handles it
- # [06:38] <qheaden> It asks you where to save it?
- # [06:38] <darktrojan> yep
- # [06:38] <philor> woohoo, widget: win32
- # [06:38] <qheaden> Ok, so this is a windows issue then.
- # [06:39] <philor> not really widget, just something only used on Win, though
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- # [06:40] <qheaden> It seems like FF should open a full file picker instead of just typing in the file name.
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- # [06:42] <qheaden> Its either Win32 widgets, or printing
- # [06:43] <qheaden> Because the widget modules deal with desktop integration. So the filepickers and printer management is done by the platform.
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- # [09:00] <philor> somehow, I think landing a backout intended to fix l10n repacks on inbound is not the single most effective course of action
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- # [11:21] <gabor> is tinderbox working again?
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- # [12:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0d684c34d1e4 - Olli Pettay - Bug 714162 - Don't traverse certainly alive selections, r=mccr8
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- # [12:13] <gal> roc: ping
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- # [12:57] <vikram360> Hi, I'm a n00b and I was just trying to find some bugs to fix,
- # [12:57] <vikram360> this is wrt to bug 707117
- # [12:57] <vikram360> I think line 559 in /js/src/lirasm/lirasm.cpp needs to be changed to:
- # [12:57] <vikram360> mTokens[1].find("0X")
- # [12:57] <vikram360> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.9.2/source/js/src/lirasm/lirasm.cpp
- # [12:58] <@smaug> vikram360: you can just look at bugzilla bugs
- # [12:59] <@smaug> vikram360: btw, don't use 1.9.2 branch
- # [12:59] <@smaug> it is old, and will get only security fixes
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- # [13:03] <@smaug> "Molizza firefox"
- # [13:03] <@smaug> that is new to me :)
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- # [13:08] <@smaug> vikram360: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Introduction might be useful for you
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- # [13:10] <khuey> Ms2ger: are you going to merge m-i to m-c?
- # [13:10] <Ms2ger> No
- # [13:11] <khuey> ok
- # [13:11] * khuey does that
- # [13:12] <@smaug> oh dear, looking again code from 1999
- # [13:13] <reuben> vikram360, heh, nice catch, but apparently that file has been removed :)
- # [13:17] <@smaug> why would anyone use PRMonitor for main thread only code o_O
- # [13:18] <vikram360> smaug: thanks
- # [13:19] <khuey> maybe it was executing too fast and they needed to slow it down :-P
- # [13:19] <Ms2ger> And why would someone return NS_ERROR_ABORT for a JSBool?
- # [13:19] <vikram360> maybe I looked at the wrong file but it was with respect to bug # 707117
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- # [13:21] <@smaug> khuey: sure, Netscape 6 was "fast" :)
- # [13:22] <khuey> Netscape 6 was something
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- # [13:52] <reuben> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228440.700-dotdashdiss-the-gentleman
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- # [13:54] <@smaug> urm
- # [13:54] <@smaug> what happens if someone (places) uses a thing as a service
- # [13:55] <Ms2ger> Kittens die?
- # [13:56] <khuey> that depends on what "a thing" is
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- # [13:58] <@smaug> transactionmanager
- # [13:58] <@smaug> I guess nothing really bad happens in this case
- # [13:59] <@smaug> since editor creates its own transaction managers using createInstance
- # [14:03] <Ms2ger> Bah, editor :)
- # [14:03] <@smaug> editor is doing the right thing in this case :)
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- # [14:05] <NeilAway> smaug: well, there was an #ifdef that warned you against that
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- # [14:07] <NeilAway> smaug: I think it was called SHOW_CI_ON_EXISTING_SERVICE
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- # [14:09] <@smaug> NeilAway: apparently that code is now #if 0 || defined (DEBUG_timeless)
- # [14:10] <catlee-buildduty> closing trees for mysql maintenance
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- # [14:17] * catlee-buildduty changes topic to 'all trees closed for infra || Next aurora uplift: January 31 || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || Merry Christmas Mozilla!'
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- # [14:29] <Pike> catlee-buildduty: did I read the post right that we're pushing our ongoing runs through still? also, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8232375&tree=Mozilla-Aurora&full=1 is a purple that just needs to respin that build?
- # [14:30] <catlee-buildduty> Pike: not sure what you mean about the former
- # [14:30] <catlee-buildduty> that tegra test just needs a kick
- # [14:31] <Pike> the builds are still running for two more hours or so?
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- # [14:34] <catlee-buildduty> yeah
- # [14:34] <catlee-buildduty> I'll kill stuff at 8am
- # [14:35] <catlee-buildduty> so anything that started before I closed the trees has a chance
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- # [14:40] <IanN> are there downloadable debug builds?
- # [14:40] <IanN> (for linux x64)
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- # [14:44] <Standard8> IanN: should be, have a look in tinderbox_builds
- # [14:44] <harsh> khuey
- # [14:44] <harsh> there?
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- # [14:47] <gabor> is there a way to restart this easily https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=1c929fcd7b78 ? in case of tinderbox does work now...
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- # [14:50] <reuben> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide/Committing_Rules_and_Responsibilities s/acquired/required/
- # [14:50] <reuben> I don't have permission to change it
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- # [15:01] <IanN> Standard8: do I need the crashreporter symbols too and where do they go in relation to the extracted debug tar?
- # [15:01] <Standard8> IanN: no idea
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- # [15:25] <espindola> what is up with try?
- # [15:27] <khuey> it's closed
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- # [15:32] <NeilAway> bah
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- # [15:47] <espindola> khuey, I noticed :-)
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- # [15:47] <espindola> but probably missed some email about infra maintenance
- # [15:48] <khuey> yes, you might have
- # [15:48] <sheppy> IT has been very busy lately.
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- # [15:51] <@smaug> dao: thanks. I wonder why bugzilla automatically marked those bugs "Version: 10 Branch"
- # [15:51] <@smaug> hmm, though, it is the target milestone which is more interesting
- # [15:52] <dao> this might be a recently introduced bug :(
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- # [15:57] <oleg> help anyone with brand.dtd in versions higher than 1.9?
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- # [15:57] <oleg> (xulrunner)
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- # [15:58] <oleg> the problem is the file download dialog. and &intro.label; is not resolved. Registering en-US/brand.dtd works in XulRunner1.9, but not higher versions
- # [15:59] <evilpie> how do i run this failing test here https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8231867&tree=Try
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- # [16:02] <khuey> TEST_PATH=js/xpconnect/tests/chrome/test_ccdump.xul make -C objdir mochitest-chrome
- # [16:02] <espindola> ok, found the message: https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.tree-management/browse_thread/thread/b1ab01afeedfbd8f#
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- # [16:06] <evilpie> khuey: okay just rebuilding, thanks
- # [16:06] <oleg> anyone knows how to enable file save dialog in xulrunner > 1.9?
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- # [16:09] <evilpie> firefox trunk crashes clang trunk :(
- # [16:10] <khuey> sounds like a clang problem
- # [16:11] * @smaug crosses fingers and hopes he has a contract even next year :p time to send the final invoice for this contract period
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- # [16:12] <espindola> evilpie, upgrade clang
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- # [16:12] <espindola> I fixed that yesterday
- # [16:12] <evilpie> espindola: awesome, are you working on clang?
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- # [16:12] <espindola> evilpie, on my personal time
- # [16:13] <espindola> but some bug fixes when it hits firefox uses of it
- # [16:13] <espindola> evilpie, 147362 is the revision you want
- # [16:13] <espindola> or newer
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- # [16:13] <evilpie> espindola: okay will update
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- # [16:14] <evilpie> espindola: shameless plug, i commit my first patch to the clang mailinglist recently http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/cfe-commits/Week-of-Mon-20111226/050649.html
- # [16:14] <evilpie> could you look at it?
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- # [16:18] <espindola> evilpie, what is r147326? It made the email look like a commit instead of a request for review :-)
- # [16:18] <khuey> smaug: heh
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- # [16:18] <khuey> are you still officially a contractor?
- # [16:19] <evilpie> espindola: i tried to do what the rest of the people on the mailinglist did
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- # [16:19] <espindola> evilpie, ah, no
- # [16:19] <espindola> the ml has two uses
- # [16:19] <espindola> commit messages, generated by the llvm svn server
- # [16:20] <evilpie> oh -.-
- # [16:20] <espindola> and request for reviews
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- # [16:23] <ehsan> smaug:
- # [16:23] <ehsan> ping
- # [16:23] <Ms2ger> ehsan, hi :)
- # [16:24] <ehsan> heya
- # [16:24] <@smaug> ehsan: hi
- # [16:24] <ehsan> hey
- # [16:24] <ehsan> smaug: so I'm getting CCs at ~500ms
- # [16:24] <jorendorff> I hate to ask stupid questions… but i can't find where it says what minimal version of python we support
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- # [16:24] <ehsan> with an occasional ~3s
- # [16:24] <@smaug> args
- # [16:24] <@smaug> argh even
- # [16:25] <@smaug> why am I not getting those bad CC times
- # [16:25] <ehsan> I ran the code to generate the cc-edges files
- # [16:25] <ehsan> but I can't tell where the files went
- # [16:25] <ehsan> smaug: it's probably a difference in our usage patterns...
- # [16:25] <@smaug> ehsan: they go to the working directory of FF
- # [16:25] <ehsan> smaug: sure, but I have no idea where that directory is :)
- # [16:25] <@smaug> ehsan: I've tried to keep gmail, twitter, facebook, few tbpl etc open, and also chatzilla ...
- # [16:25] <@smaug> and no luck
- # [16:26] <ehsan> weird
- # [16:26] <khuey> it gets dumped in the working directory
- # [16:26] <khuey> iirc
- # [16:26] <ehsan> do you also use youtube?
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- # [16:26] <@smaug> no
- # [16:26] <@smaug> I don't have Flash in this profile
- # [16:26] <ehsan> ok, I guess my question is, where is the working directory of firefox on the mac?
- # [16:26] <ehsan> oh
- # [16:26] <ehsan> smaug: I watch a few youtube movies every day I think
- # [16:27] <ehsan> not a lot though, < 5
- # [16:27] <@smaug> ehsan: doesn't mac have some kind of "find"
- # [16:28] <@smaug> cc-edges-*.log
- # [16:28] <ehsan> yeah I'm running find on my home dir right now
- # [16:28] <@smaug> ehsan: when CC runs, does it collect something?
- # [16:28] <ehsan> to no avail
- # [16:29] <ehsan> I think so
- # [16:29] <ehsan> CC(T+78736.6) collected: 4639 (4639 waiting for GC), suspected: 1995, duration: 3176 ms.
- # [16:29] <ehsan> Purple cleanup 6 times before CC, min 3 ms, max 5 ms, avg 4 ms, total 26 ms, removed 2699
- # [16:29] <ehsan> smaug: ^
- # [16:30] <@smaug> 4639 is not a lot
- # [16:30] <ehsan> wait a second
- # [16:30] <@smaug> and purple clean up phase don't seem to clear too many objects
- # [16:30] <@smaug> there is something else alive
- # [16:30] <bsmedberg> Dammit, I get .ics invitations and tbird/lightning won't let me save the .ics file.
- # [16:31] <@smaug> my guess is JS objects
- # [16:31] <ehsan> I've launched this firefox straight from a disk image, which means that if the working dir is the app dir, firefox won't be able to write to it...
- # [16:31] * @smaug knows nothing about plugins and how they might keep JS objects alive
- # [16:31] <ehsan> smaug: do you have any plugins enabled in your profile?
- # [16:32] <@smaug> no
- # [16:32] <bsmedberg> plugin instances *should* clear all their JS object roots when they are uninstantiated (the page is unloaded)
- # [16:32] <@smaug> (there aren't that many plugins for 64bit linux)
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- # [16:32] <ehsan> smaug: maybe you should try a 32-bit build with plugins?
- # [16:33] <@smaug> I guess I could try with Flash
- # [16:33] <ehsan> cause the browser without plugins doesn't represent what the typical user sees
- # [16:33] <@smaug> ehsan: but anyway, that is still just guessing
- # [16:33] <@smaug> I really need the CC log
- # [16:33] <ehsan> I'm still looking for it
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- # [16:34] <ehsan> ok
- # [16:34] <ehsan> smaug: nothing in my home dir :(
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- # [16:35] <ehsan> smaug: what happens if opening the log file fails
- # [16:35] <ehsan> ?
- # [16:35] <ehsan> hmm
- # [16:35] <ehsan> looking at the code, it seems that the failure will be silently ignored
- # [16:36] <@smaug> Flash enabled here...
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- # [16:37] <@smaug> (it will be painful to browse any Finnish news sites now :( )
- # [16:40] <@smaug> ehsan: btw, that transactionmanager thing is surprisingly bad. It can cause tens of thousands hash table lookups, and thousands of objects in CC graph
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- # [16:41] <ehsan> smaug: which transactionmanager thing?
- # [16:41] <@smaug> ehsan: I asked review
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- # [16:42] <ehsan> smaug: oh ok, will look at it
- # [16:42] <ehsan> smaug: would you accept a patch which changes this code to write to the temp dir, and print the path name of the file to the error console?
- # [16:43] <@smaug> ehsan: I guess so. Though I've never looked at the logger code
- # [16:44] <ehsan> smaug: the patch will be fairly simple :)
- # [16:44] <glandium> So, I was on aurora 10 until last week, when i switched to aurora 11. Nothing really changed in my profile, it has about the same number of tabs (which is insanely big (1000+)), and since a few days I've have really long UI unresponsiveness (like, > 20s). I guess that's CC related (unfortunately about:telemetry doesn't give me much data), but the interesting thing is that this never happened to me with aurora 10
- # [16:45] <@smaug> 20s ?
- # [16:45] <glandium> yeah 20s where the UI wouldn't refresh
- # [16:45] <@smaug> glandium: do you have javascript.options.mem.log set to true?
- # [16:45] <@smaug> if not, please do so, and look at error console messages
- # [16:45] <glandium> ok, will do
- # [16:46] <@smaug> glandium: for me it is GC times which are usually 3X CC times
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- # [16:47] <glandium> smaug: either way, on my usecase, there's a serious regression between 10 and 11
- # [16:48] <@smaug> glandium: that is something new to me
- # [16:48] <@smaug> usually people have complained about regression from 9 to 10
- # [16:48] <@smaug> and I have *no* idea what it is about... well, there is js eng regression
- # [16:49] <@smaug> but possibly something else too
- # [16:50] <@smaug> it would be *really* useful to find regression ranges. I think bz found the regression range for JS thingie
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- # [16:51] <@smaug> bug 711900
- # [16:52] <@smaug> oh, bug 713916 was bad
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- # [16:57] <khuey> Ms2ger: overloads are allowed to return different types?
- # [16:57] <Ms2ger> Probably, why?
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- # [16:58] <khuey> it means I have to make my implementation more complex :-P
- # [16:58] <Ms2ger> Aww :)
- # [16:58] <@smaug> ehsan: at least youtube doesn't cause CC time increases immediately. Current I have 25-30ms after playing perhaps 10 videos
- # [16:59] <@smaug> maybe I need to browse to ad-heavy sites
- # [16:59] <ehsan> smaug: the problem that I'm observing usually happens after a day or so of browsing
- # [16:59] <@smaug> right
- # [16:59] <ehsan> smaug: I have adblock plus so I'm not sure if that will help
- # [16:59] <@smaug> it wouldn't surprise me if abp causes bad CC times
- # [17:00] <khuey> my experience generally is that abp makes the browser faster
- # [17:00] <khuey> because we don't load all these awful ads
- # [17:00] <ehsan> yeah
- # [17:00] <ehsan> I have a similar experienc
- # [17:00] <@smaug> khuey: sure, but it may still very well have bugs
- # [17:01] <derf> khuey: The overload can't _solely_ differ by return type.
- # [17:01] <derf> Assuming we're talking about C++ here.
- # [17:01] <@smaug> abp used to create zombie compartments
- # [17:01] <khuey> derf: WebIDL
- # [17:01] <derf> Oh. Then I have no idea.
- # [17:01] <ted> we should just break ads on the web
- # [17:01] <ted> that would make everyone happier
- # [17:01] <khuey> derf: yeah me neither
- # [17:01] <khuey> heycam|away would know if he weren't away :-P
- # [17:02] <khuey> ted: don't think google would be happy :-P
- # [17:02] <derf> A lot of users might be upset when all the services they use on the web disappear because they go bankrupt, too.
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- # [17:04] <ted> fine, we'll just break obnoxious ads
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- # [17:05] <ted> i vote for breaking anything with flash
- # [17:05] <ehsan> smaug: so the patch that I have generates a file named like this: /var/tmp/tmp.0.673b1F-cc-edges-1.33752.log
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- # [17:05] <ehsan> smaug: and it prints the path name to the error console
- # [17:05] <ehsan> does that sound good?
- # [17:05] <Archaeopteryx> ted: you are the reincarnation of a guy from cupertino?
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- # [17:05] <ted> Archaeopteryx: no, but i do hate me some flash
- # [17:05] <@smaug> hmm, /var/tmp
- # [17:05] <glandium> smaug: so in fact, it looks like my problems are with plugin initialization
- # [17:05] <@smaug> isn't /tmp more traditional place
- # [17:06] <@smaug> glandium: plugins causing mainthread I/O or something ?
- # [17:06] <ehsan> smaug: I'm just calling tmpnam()
- # [17:06] <derf> ted: I vote for breaking anything with JS.
- # [17:06] <@smaug> ah
- # [17:06] <ehsan> smaug: fwiw, on mac /tmp and /var/tmp are the same thing
- # [17:06] <ted> hah
- # [17:06] <glandium> smaug: mozilla::ipc::GeckoChildProcessHost::SyncLaunch
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- # [17:07] <ted> glandium: i've seen that in profiles on my mac during startup
- # [17:07] * @smaug has given up with OSX so long ago that doesn't remember much about it :)
- # [17:07] <ted> loading flash causing huge hangups
- # [17:07] <@smaug> glandium: talk to bsmedberg
- # [17:07] <glandium> ted: that's on linux. and that didn't happen before 11
- # [17:07] <glandium> or at least i never noticed. i'll try again with 10
- # [17:07] * Archaeopteryx has the impression the Adobe Reader plugin managed to get worse than Flash
- # [17:08] <bsmedberg> Reader has always been terrible
- # [17:08] <wg9s> Archaeopteryx: good news is that I only know of one webpage that requires the reader plugin and that is an internal site on my comapnies intranet.
- # [17:08] <derf> ted: I can just not install Flash, and that solves that problem for me. Turning off JS breaks a few more things.
- # [17:09] <wg9s> You really don;t need a pdf plugin unless the reader conent is embedded in the page
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- # [17:09] <bsmedberg> wg9s: pdf.js baby
- # [17:09] <wg9s> otherwise a pdf viewer is sufficient, and IMHO preferred.
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- # [17:10] <wg9s> bsmedberg: yes but even without pdf.js the plugin never really had any value add over an external viewer as far as I could tell.
- # [17:10] <ehsan> smaug: filed bug 714286
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- # [17:11] <wg9s> the whole is sort of looks built into the browser but has a completely different UI to save files print files etc was just a zero value add for having it be a plugin rather than just an external application.
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- # [17:12] <derf> wg9s: Also, it causes more crashes.
- # [17:12] <@smaug> ehsan: what does that do on Windows?
- # [17:12] <wg9s> derf: also having it as a plugin actaully resulted in some issues where a page would not display that displayed just fine even if using regualy adobe reader but just NOT as a plugin.
- # [17:12] <ehsan> smaug: same thing, write to the temp dir
- # [17:13] <@smaug> what is the temp dir on windows?
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- # [17:13] <ehsan> smaug: depends on the version of windows
- # [17:13] <ehsan> it's usually in your user dir
- # [17:13] <johanc> smaug: try "%temp%" in the startmenu
- # [17:14] <wg9s> so pdf.js kind of at least fixes this if you really want something that looks sort of integrated bcause it really is so the it has a whole diffent UI for doing anything is no longer an issue.
- # [17:14] <@smaug> johanc: like I had Windows :p
- # [17:14] <johanc> smaug: eek
- # [17:15] <reuben> well, the temp dir is still %temp%
- # [17:15] <@smaug> ehsan: ok, I'll push your patch and my patches to try to get new builds for testing
- # [17:15] <reuben> it's not a fixed directory
- # [17:15] <ehsan> smaug: sounds good. in the mean time I copied the app dir to a writable dir and am running it from there right now
- # [17:16] <johanc> "%temp%" gives you the temp dir for the current user though
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- # [17:22] <glandium> waw, that's nasty, that happens when flash fails to initialize
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- # [17:23] <glandium> hoho and it's entirely my fault because i removed a file a few days ago
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- # [17:25] <ehsan> smaug: seems like you're using mRootElement just to get the document, right?
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- # [17:25] <ehsan> smaug: why don't you just use nsEditor::GetDocument?
- # [17:26] <@smaug> ehsan: doesn't that cause some addref/release
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- # [17:26] <ehsan> it does
- # [17:26] <ehsan> would that be problematic?
- # [17:27] <@smaug> ehsan: also, in this for the case when form control has editor
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- # [17:27] <@smaug> I'd try to avoid QIing during traverse
- # [17:27] <@smaug> asldkjf
- # [17:27] <@smaug> this is for the case...
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- # [17:27] <ehsan> smaug: mRootElement will be null for HTML editors, unless somebody calls GetRootElement
- # [17:28] <khuey> you definitely can't addref/release during traverse
- # [17:28] <@smaug> ehsan: oh, it has such strange behavior ...
- # [17:28] <ehsan> yes :(
- # [17:28] <@smaug> ehsan: actually, that sounds ok, I think
- # [17:28] <ehsan> how so?
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- # [17:29] <@smaug> ehsan: well, if there is root element, and it is in CCgeneration document, we can skip traversing
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- # [17:29] <@smaug> the optimization just doesn' apply to the case when GetRootElement hasn't called for designmode and such
- # [17:29] <@smaug> though, how is contenteditable handled
- # [17:30] <ehsan> same way as designMode
- # [17:30] <@smaug> ehsan: so mRootElement points to document.documentElement ?
- # [17:30] <ehsan> smaug: it points to document.body if that is available, otherwise to document.documentElement
- # [17:31] <@smaug> where is mRootElement updated
- # [17:31] <@smaug> nsEditor::GetRootElement doesn't do it
- # [17:31] <ehsan> smaug: nsHTMLEditor::GetRootElement
- # [17:32] <@smaug> ah
- # [17:32] <@smaug> anyway, still looks ok to me
- # [17:32] <ehsan> ok
- # [17:32] <@smaug> actually better than what I thought
- # [17:32] <ehsan> r=me in that case
- # [17:33] <@smaug> :)
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- # [17:33] <@smaug> ehsan: there is just one case the optimization doesn't handle: designmode/contenteditable where GetRootElement hasn't been called
- # [17:33] <ehsan> yes
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- # [17:33] <ehsan> that should be fairly rare though
- # [17:34] <@smaug> yeah, especially if there are already lots of transactions
- # [17:35] <@smaug> is that even possible to have transactions without mRootElement
- # [17:35] <ehsan> smaug: what is bug 714256 about?
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- # [17:35] <ehsan> smaug: it may be possible, hard to tell since GetRoot is called from all over the place :/
- # [17:35] <@smaug> ehsan: transactionmanager uses PRMonitor for ... something
- # [17:36] <@smaug> transactionmanager is a mainthread object, there really shouldn't be need for monitors
- # [17:36] <@smaug> ehsan: that monitor code was added 1999
- # [17:36] <ehsan> smaug: yeah, it's a bit over-engineered ;)
- # [17:37] <ehsan> I'm pretty sure that nobody accesses it from other threads these days
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- # [17:37] <@smaug> we'd crash immediately if someone accessed transactionmanager from another thread
- # [17:37] <@smaug> addref/release would crash
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- # [17:41] <@smaug> bsmedberg: has there been changes lately how we handle js<->plugin communication ?
- # [17:41] <bsmedberg> no
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- # [17:42] <bsmedberg> glandium changed the order in which we munge LD_LIBRARY_PATH for launching the plugin contiainer
- # [17:42] <NeilAway> oh, is mdn down?
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- # [17:43] <glandium> bsmedberg: i wouldn't expect that to change anything in most cases
- # [17:43] <bsmedberg> no, I wouldn't either
- # [17:43] <glandium> and i wouldn't expect it to change anything in a negative way when it does change something
- # [17:45] <NeilAway> still, I got to see hardhat.mozilla.net ;-)
- # [17:46] <@smaug> ehsan: curious, what kind of GC times you get
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- # [17:46] <ehsan> smaug: right now 200-300ms
- # [17:46] <ehsan> smaug: but this is a fairly fresh run of the browser
- # [17:47] <@smaug> right
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- # [17:47] <@smaug> do you remember what you got when CC times were bad?
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- # [17:54] <ehsan> smaug: not really
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- # [17:54] <ehsan> but I can look it up for you next time
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- # [17:55] <benjamin> what is a "trusted" event?
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- # [18:00] <khuey> benjamin: one generated from user input or the browser itself
- # [18:01] <khuey> benjamin: as opposed to one generated by a web page
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- # [18:05] <@smaug> ehsan: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=46b04fcb3c6a
- # [18:05] <@smaug> but apparently tree is now closed
- # [18:05] <NeilAway> s/now/still/
- # [18:06] <@smaug> tryserver wasn't closed few minutes ago
- # [18:06] <khuey> well the downtime is scheduled to end ... now ;-)
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- # [18:06] <khuey> no pressure catlee-buildduty :-P
- # [18:06] <catlee-buildduty> I have 25 seconds left!
- # [18:07] <khuey> by my clock you're already 49 seconds overdue!
- # [18:07] <catlee-buildduty> I had until 9:00:59 :)
- # [18:07] <catlee-buildduty> anyway, we're all finished
- # [18:07] <wg9s> but no pressure! ;-)
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- # [18:09] <wg9s> philor: ping
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- # [18:14] <Mano_> hrm, except for parsing an "empty" tree with dom parser, is there a way to create a dom document in a js module without having a handy document around?
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- # [18:17] <wg9s> catlee-buildduty: this is on the next day starts at 1 minute past midnight school of thought?
- # [18:18] <wg9s> so 0000 is previous date inconstant way of handling date/time?
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- # [18:18] <benjamin> khuey: what additional abilities does it have?
- # [18:19] <khuey> benjamin: untrusted events don't cause certain things to happen
- # [18:19] <catlee-buildduty> some wasting entropy
- # [18:19] <catlee-buildduty> stop
- # [18:19] <benjamin> ah
- # [18:19] <khuey> catlee-buildduty: I'm using all of these!
- # [18:19] <nemo> So. I was reading: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Strict_mode
- # [18:19] <nemo> "Firefox 4 generally hasn't optimized strict mode yet, but subsequent versions will"
- # [18:20] <nemo> Firefox 9 - does it optimise strict mode?
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- # [18:20] <wg9s> I can understand 0000-00:00:00:000 might have days before date but 0000-00:00:00.001 needs to be the day after, sorry.
- # [18:20] <nemo> is there any advantage to using it?
- # [18:20] <wg9s> the whoe day changes one second after midnight idea is just lame.
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- # [18:20] <wg9s> sorry meant one minute after
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- # [18:23] <lurking> heh ! http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1048205-internet-giants-consider-sopa-strike/page__pid__594552809#entry594552809
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- # [18:32] <nemo> ... well. reducing bugs is an advantage, but I was wondering more about performance :)
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- # [18:33] <khuey> nemo: ask #jsapi
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- # [18:37] <bsmedberg> josh: making some real progress on the pandora issue
- # [18:37] <bsmedberg> I have a much smaller testcase now
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- # [18:38] <josh> awesome! Can you email it to me?
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- # [18:42] <bsmedberg> online in a sec
- # [18:43] <bsmedberg> josh: hg.mozilla.org/users/bsmedberg_mozilla.com/bug90268-init-testcase/
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- # [18:44] <josh> bsmedberg: thanks!
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- # [18:46] <ted> Mano_: https://developer.mozilla.org/En/DOM/DOMImplementation.createDocument ?
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- # [18:46] <ted> that's only on document.implementation
- # [18:46] <ted> not sure if you can get that from a JS module
- # [18:47] <Mano_> ted: apparently not
- # [18:47] <Mano_> you need a document
- # [18:47] * Mano_ files a bug
- # [18:47] <ted> well possibly with some XPCOM poking
- # [18:47] <Mano_> it has no contact id afaict.
- # [18:47] <Mano_> contract*
- # [18:47] <Mano_> easy to fix, sure.
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- # [18:48] <Callek> mounir: holy crap, that is A LOT of patches in Bug 674725
- # [18:48] <Callek> :-)
- # [18:48] <Mossop> mano_: Components.classes["@mozilla.org/xml/xml-document;1"] ?
- # [18:48] * ted LOLs at nsIDOMDOMImplementation
- # [18:48] <Mano_> Mossop: looking!
- # [18:48] <khuey> which part?
- # [18:49] <Mano_> it should just be nsIDOMDOM
- # [18:49] <ted> DOMDOM
- # [18:50] <lurking> For any windows users - MS has released 2 out-of-band patches for .net stuff
- # [18:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4dd80e8ee29e - Neil Rashbrook - Bug 692153 Make Copy and Select All always work even when contenteditable areas are present r=ehsan
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- # [18:51] <Mano_> Mossop: Thank You Very Much.
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- # [18:52] <khuey> ted: that's from a spec, we didn't just make that up
- # [18:52] <khuey> iirc
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- # [18:53] <philor> wg9s: pong
- # [18:53] <ted> khuey: really?
- # [18:53] <ted> because the thing is "DOMImplementation" to JS
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- # [18:54] <khuey> ted: right
- # [18:54] <Mossop> We stuck "nsIDOM" on the front of all the DOM interface names
- # [18:54] <ted> i assume the nsIDOM part is our silliness
- # [18:54] <khuey> right
- # [18:54] <khuey> there's a lot of nsIDOMDOMFoo in the tree
- # [18:54] <ted> in a more sane world, maybe it'd just be IDOMImplementation
- # [18:54] <khuey> no, in a sane world we wouldn't have interfaces for this stuff
- # [18:54] <khuey> and webidl would determine what gets put in the global namespace
- # [18:55] <gabor> khuey: there are some new idb tests i'm struggling with using things like DOMEvent and things like: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/indexedDB/test/file.js so things that I don't have in xpcshell... so instead of porting all the test, I thought I'll create a patch for the tests that are working already first and add the rest later... what do you think?
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- # [18:55] <wg9s> philor: couple of things 1. a couple of weeks ago I got kind of pissed at you becuase you sent me an IM compalining that if i didn;t know what I was doing I shoudl not be starring builds. Would ahve been more helpful with a you incorrectly starred this build as blah and this is why you were wrong. I would have figured out I screwed up badly. BUt then I should not have taken in personally...
- # [18:55] <wg9s> ...like I did.
- # [18:55] <Mano_> Mossop: fun, i think i'll need to create the document by this contract id, then get implementaion, then call createdocument on that
- # [18:55] <wg9s> but that is not what I wanted to tak about now
- # [18:55] <ted> khuey: true!
- # [18:56] <ted> khuey: have you worked out with peterv what your WebIDL parser is going to produce?
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- # [18:56] <wg9s> was 1. I would ahve starred the Linux Qt build today, but could not find the relevant bug becuase it is no longer marked as random-orange. does that mean I should not be doing that?
- # [18:56] <Mossop> Mano_: Oh, how come?
- # [18:56] <Mano_> Mossop: to set the doctype
- # [18:56] <Mossop> Ah
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- # [18:57] <Mano_> Mossop: the only user of this cid relies on being able to use nsIDocument
- # [18:57] <khuey> ted: nope
- # [18:57] <khuey> ted: so I'm just making it up as I go along
- # [18:57] <ted> gotcha
- # [18:58] <ted> but the theory is "peterv's new DOM bindings", right?
- # [18:58] <khuey> we're getting together in paris in a few weeks to figure this all out
- # [18:58] <khuey> right
- # [18:58] <Mossop> Mano_: Apparently another trick I used in the past was to just parse a simple empty document text with nsIDOMParser to get me a proper document
- # [18:58] <khuey> but as written the dom bindings only do a handful of things
- # [18:58] <khuey> we need a lot more
- # [18:58] <Mano_> Mossop: yes, that's what i was doing so far
- # [18:58] <Mano_> Mossop: but i wanted to be nice
- # [18:58] <philor> itest_: it's no longer marked as [orange] because that failure will never get suggested bugs, so any time someone stars that bug from suggested bugs, they are misstarring
- # [18:59] <itest_> Seocnd issue has to do with bug 713032 seems to only fail on pgo builds but when it fails seems to fail on mochitest 1 2 3 and oth. almost seems like some of these tests are dependent on results from other tests in a way they should not be.
- # [18:59] <ted> khuey: well, probably better to add stuff to the new dom bindings than to xpconnect
- # [18:59] <ted> since it doesn't handle all the webidl stuff anyway
- # [18:59] <khuey> oh yes
- # [18:59] <philor> yes, it almost seems like that, but that's impossible since they are running simultaneously on separate machines, so it's something else
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- # [19:00] <ted> heh
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- # [19:00] <khuey> is it PGO only?
- # [19:00] <ted> more likely they depend on outside network services or something
- # [19:01] <khuey> maybe we're just getting miscompiled?
- # [19:01] <ted> or that
- # [19:01] <itest_> philor:kind fo what I thought. It really does not make a lot of sense, unless it really is a pgo issue that sometimes screwes up the way that part of the code gets optimized.
- # [19:01] <ted> yes
- # [19:01] <ted> we've seen those
- # [19:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f268da52217d - Olli Pettay - Bug 714250 - Optimize nsTransactionManager traversing, r=ehsan, mccr8
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- # [19:04] <itest_> philor:where did my comment go?
- # [19:04] <itest_> hmm how did i beocme itest_
- # [19:04] <itest_> no wonder I cant find it
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- # [19:05] <khuey> gabor: you might actually get tryserver access before the year ends!
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- # [19:06] <no_gravity> Good Evening! I try to run my firefox traffic via an ssh proxy. So i run "ssh -D 5000 <my_server>" and set the firefox proxy setting to use 127.0.0.1 port 5000. But I only get empty pages when i put an url into firefox. Any ideas?
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- # [19:08] <bsmedberg> no_gravity: your Firefox proxy settings are for an HTTP proxy, not port-level forwarding
- # [19:09] <WG9s> phior:anyway not sure where that nick came form (is that some new thing assigned instead of ircmonkey?) but in any event those previous quesions were from me.
- # [19:09] <bsmedberg> please go read about HTTP proxies and start an HTTP proxy service on your server
- # [19:09] <Mossop> ssh can set up a socks compliant proxy iirc
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- # [19:09] <WG9s> philor: referring to the queries form itest_.
- # [19:10] <no_gravity> bsmedberg: really? there are a ton of websites on the net that say exactly this way should work.
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- # [19:10] <no_gravity> bsmedberg: -D is creating a proxy. -L would creat a forwarded port.
- # [19:10] <philor> khuey: retriggers are green, so if it's miscompile, then self-serve must be retriggering wrong, hitting the non-PGO build and claiming it's PGO
- # [19:10] <bsmedberg> it doesn't *look* like it's a socks proxy, but I may be wrong
- # [19:10] <WG9s> no_gravity: waht websites say as to how things should work is not the same a a standards organization saying how things should work.
- # [19:11] <no_gravity> WG9s: ok, forget about the websites. but ssh -D creates a socks proxy and as i understand it, ff supports socks proxies.
- # [19:12] <jbuck> no_gravity: where are you entering 127.0.0.1 as the proxy address? SOCKS Host or HTTP Proxy?
- # [19:12] <khuey> philor: interesting
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- # [19:12] <jbuck> I've done what you're doing... I just can't remember how I did it :)
- # [19:12] <WG9s> Oh IC now scrolling back farther.
- # [19:12] <no_gravity> jbuck: im entering it as "http-proxy"
- # [19:13] <WG9s> I have actually never been able to get socks proxies to work corrctly via a browser but always figured I was doind something wrong.
- # [19:13] <WG9s> perhaps I shoudl ahve actually persued this.
- # [19:13] <philor> timebomb or network have been my only thoughts so far, and the times don't work well for a timebomb
- # [19:13] <ted> no_gravity: i think that's your problem
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- # [19:14] <ted> you want to enter it as SOCKS host
- # [19:14] <jbuck> no_gravity: yeah
- # [19:14] <WG9s> no_gravity: that is your problem you shaoudl be entring as Socks Host NOT HTTP proxy.
- # [19:14] <no_gravity> ted: interesting. when i enter it only as "socks proxy" it seems to work.
- # [19:14] <WG9s> exactly
- # [19:14] <no_gravity> but now also my https traffic goes throuh my server, right?
- # [19:15] <no_gravity> there is not really a reason to do that
- # [19:15] <no_gravity> as its already encrypted on its own.
- # [19:15] <WG9s> the type of proxy has to do with the protocol the browser uses to talk to the proxy and NOT the type of request you expect it to handle.
- # [19:15] <Callek> ted: ping
- # [19:15] <WG9s> if you enter it as an http proxy it exepcts it to be talking http and NOT socks.
- # [19:15] <ted> Callek: pong
- # [19:15] <Callek> ted: any clue at all, why |necko_websocket| does not seem to be being packaged for Firefox?
- # [19:16] <jbuck> no_gravity: well, it's encrypted to your server, the hop from your server to the site (say, Google) is still unencrypted
- # [19:16] <Callek> (or android)
- # [19:16] <Callek> http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/netwerk/protocol/websocket/Makefile.in#48
- # [19:16] <Callek> initial bug 640003
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- # [19:16] <no_gravity> WG9s: aha! interesting. there are "ftp proxies"? so the client talks to the server in "ftp"?
- # [19:16] <ted> Callek: no idea
- # [19:16] <no_gravity> jbuck: yes, i know
- # [19:16] <jbuck> so, it's useful for say... getting around an overzealous firewall
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- # [19:16] <Callek> smaug: ping (same Q)
- # [19:17] <no_gravity> WG9s: then why is there a setting "use this proxy for all protocols"?
- # [19:17] <@smaug> Callek: pong
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- # [19:17] <Callek> smaug: any clue at all, why |necko_websocket| does not seem to be being packaged for Firefox?
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- # [19:17] <@smaug> dunno
- # [19:17] <Callek> smaug: initial bug adding that .xpt initial bug 640003
- # [19:17] <@smaug> Callek: ask jduell
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- # [19:18] <@smaug> or mcmanus
- # [19:18] <Callek> (you were a reviewer there, is why I suspected you might recall)
- # [19:18] <Callek> sure
- # [19:18] <philor> isn't it test-only?
- # [19:18] <WG9s> Oh an I see the issue because the SSL and FTP proxy choices have to do with request protocol and not what kind of protocol you talk to the proxy but the UI makes it seem this is the same.
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- # [19:18] <Callek> mcmanus: ping
- # [19:18] <Callek> philor: I didn't *think* so, but thats what I want to figure out
- # [19:18] <Callek> (fwiw, TB packages it, and I have a patch in my review queue to add it to seamonkey)
- # [19:19] <no_gravity> WG9s: the ui is *realy* misleading then.
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- # [19:19] <WG9s> no_gravity: I guess it is. Because I understood what it meant it never occured to me that it is really incorrect.
- # [19:21] <WG9s> no_gravity: the sckis thing is where you configure a socks proxy the other things are where you configure a CERN type HTTP proxy to handle the specified protocol.
- # [19:21] <ted> i don't think the proxy UI has changed in ages
- # [19:22] <WG9s> ted:I did not say it has. It is just based on people knew what it meant even if it has always been misleading.
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- # [19:22] <ted> yeah
- # [19:22] <ted> just sayin', it probably hasn't gotten the UI love that lots of other parts of firefox has
- # [19:23] <WG9s> I have never realized this could be misleading until it was pointed out today.
- # [19:23] <no_gravity> well, i only put data in the socks proxy section now and hope it well..
- # [19:23] <no_gravity> i will have to figure out if i can also send my irssi traffic through that proxy.
- # [19:23] <WG9s> Not wsaying anything changed to make it misleading. it has always been this way. just takes someone to look at it differently to the way I always have to realize maybe it is wrong.
- # [19:24] <khuey> well normal humans don't need to set up proxies ;-)
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- # [19:25] <sheppy> khuey: that's what I was going to say
- # [19:25] <sheppy> khuey: does that make you my proxy? ;)
- # [19:25] <WG9s> Listing a bunch of different protocolas and what HTTP proxy handles then and then socks and it is a whole different type of proxy that will maybe proxy everything is not really an intuitive UI design.
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- # [19:26] <WG9s> It has probably been this way since at least Netscape 2.
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- # [19:28] <WG9s> khuey:normal humans need to only override this when they want to bypass the stupid config that gets pushed on them by their empoyer.
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- # [19:30] <khuey> when I am emperor nobody will bypass my proxy configurations
- # [19:30] <sheppy> Or else.
- # [19:30] <WG9s> meant employer. Oddly, I am a member of the department that mandates such stupid configuration in the name of security.
- # [19:31] <sheppy> Off with his <HEAD>!
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- # [19:34] <joduinn> blizzard: pong
- # [19:34] <joduinn> hey, skype or vidyo - whats your pref?
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- # [20:08] <sheppy> Some tricksy programerses snuck a new item onto the Firefox 9 doc to-do list. Sneaky!
- # [20:09] <blizzard> hey
- # [20:09] <blizzard> I need someone running linux to try something for me
- # [20:09] <blizzard> WHO WANTS SOME?
- # [20:09] <blizzard> just to try a test case
- # [20:09] <sheppy> Hm, no, it landed 5 months ago but nobody bothered to set dev-doc-needed on it. Florian noticed it yesterday.
- # [20:09] <jhammel> what is SOME?
- # [20:09] <blizzard> sheppy: what one?
- # [20:09] <blizzard> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=441924
- # [20:09] <blizzard> just see if you can reproduce that bug
- # [20:09] <blizzard> with that test case
- # [20:10] <blizzard> cpearce made it easy!
- # [20:10] <sheppy> bug 612658 is the one - I'd glare at robcee but he's not here.
- # [20:10] <blizzard> jhammel: ^^^
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- # [20:10] <blizzard> sheppy: I'm surprised that's dev-doc-needed material
- # [20:11] <sheppy> Introduces a new JSM, so yep.
- # [20:11] <sheppy> Gotta document them APIs.
- # [20:11] <sheppy> Even the internal ones. :)
- # [20:11] <blizzard> jhammel: you can haz linux?
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- # [20:12] <blizzard> sheppy: *nod*
- # [20:12] <jhammel> blizzard: in a meeting; can try in a bit
- # [20:12] <blizzard> jhammel: ok
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- # [20:18] <sfink> blizzard: works for me in the current nightly. You need a different version?
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- # [20:19] <blizzard> sfink: nope, that's enough
- # [20:19] <blizzard> thanks!
- # [20:21] <Mossop> How does jemalloc work on windows these days? Looks like there is no mozcrt.dll anymore
- # [20:21] <Mossop> khuey?
- # [20:23] <khuey> magic
- # [20:23] <khuey> it's in a shared lib, we override the crt's allocation symbols with ours
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- # [20:24] <Mossop> Ok, that explains why xulrunner-stub depends on that now instead of mozcrt
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- # [20:48] <Mossop> Did silent updates land or something? The about dialog no longer checks for updates for me
- # [20:48] <KWierso> Mossop: did you install a tinderbox build?
- # [20:48] <Mossop> Nope, should be a nightly
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- # [20:48] <KWierso> IIRC that's no longer on any update branch
- # [20:48] <Mossop> It tells me I'm on the nightly update channel
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- # [20:50] <KWierso> the current nightly checks for updates when I go to the about dialog...
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- # [20:51] <Mossop> hrm
- # [20:53] <dao> you probably have an update window open somewhere
- # [20:54] <dao> in that case the about dialog won't check for updates
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- # [21:03] <Mossop> khuey: Does that mean you no longer need a unique version of MSVC to get jemalloc building?
- # [21:04] <khuey> Mossop: correct
- # [21:04] <Mossop> But it still defaults to off?
- # [21:05] <khuey> correct
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- # [21:05] <Mossop> Ok. Maybe this time I'll get a tinderbox matching build
- # [21:06] <khuey> can't you just use hte in tree mozconfig?
- # [21:06] <WG9s> But the not needing the correct version is a real pus becuase it was amiking firefox vunleralbe to things already fixed in the c runtime library
- # [21:06] <Mossop> There is an in tree mozconfig?
- # [21:06] <WG9s> becuase to enable jemalloc you might have been using a vulnerable source.
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- # [21:06] <khuey> Mossop: browser/configs or something like that
- # [21:07] <Mossop> Ah, this is news to me
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- # [21:09] <khuey> Mossop: welcome to the future
- # [21:09] <Mossop> It's scary
- # [21:09] <KWierso> hrm, someone on mozillazine's forums is saying that Lion's swipe gestures no longer work in recent Nightly builds. Can anyone here check that?
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- # [21:45] <bsmedberg> Does anyone know whether my crash on OS X64 debug Moth which is a crash after "Assertion failure: !noAvailableArenas()" is a known random?
- # [21:45] <bsmedberg> I can't seem to find a bug on it
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- # [21:47] <khuey> dbaron: ping
- # [21:47] <@dbaron> khuey, pong
- # [21:47] <philor> bsmedberg: what tree?
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- # [21:47] <Waldo> I can't speak to known-ness, but I suspect whatever you were doing wasn't the trigger
- # [21:48] <Waldo> sounds like a hairy GC invariant is sometimes surprisingly variable
- # [21:48] <bsmedberg> philor: inbound
- # [21:48] <khuey> dbaron: when does a mozilla::css::Rule have it's mSheet set?
- # [21:49] <@dbaron> khuey, the vast majority of the time
- # [21:49] <@dbaron> khuey, the times it doesn't are:
- # [21:50] <@dbaron> khuey, (1) while it's being constructed by the parser
- # [21:50] <@dbaron> khuey, (2) if you get a pointer to it and then remove it from the sheet (or its parent group rule, or remove an ancestor group rule from the sheet)
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- # [21:51] <@dbaron> khuey, (3) if you get a pointer to it and then the sheet goes away
- # [21:51] <@dbaron> khuey, I think that should be about it... though if you need to rely on some invariant you should double-check it
- # [21:51] <@dbaron> khuey, oh, also if it's the Rule for a style attribute
- # [21:52] <@dbaron> khuey, which is probably the most common case :-)
- # [21:52] <khuey> oh, hmm
- # [21:52] <khuey> that last one sounds relevant
- # [21:52] * khuey looks
- # [21:52] <philor> huh, what's all the plugin stuff doing in there?
- # [21:52] <bsmedberg> philor: plugin processes warn if the main process goes away
- # [21:52] <bsmedberg> without a normal shutdown
- # [21:52] <bsmedberg> I think that's unrelated/harmless
- # [21:52] <khuey> dbaron: style _attribute_, not style _element_?
- # [21:53] <@dbaron> khuey, right
- # [21:53] <khuey> hmm, ok
- # [21:53] <khuey> it's not that one
- # [21:53] <philor> bsmedberg: further up, editor is bitching about NS_ENSURE_TRUE(mDisabledJSAndPlugins)
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- # [21:53] <philor> is that devtools editor a plugin?
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- # [21:54] <bsmedberg> no, I very much doubt it
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- # [21:55] <philor> oh, it's a js editor that must need to have js not disabled
- # [21:55] <khuey> dbaron: so what qualifies as being constructed by the parser?
- # [21:56] <philor> so, no idea, unfiled, there'll probably be a green above it soon and you can file it, and then we'll never hit it again
- # [21:57] <philor> ah, already is green above it
- # [21:57] <@dbaron> khuey, when there's parser stuff currently on the C stack, i.e., we're between where we call "new ...Rule" and we call (*aAppendFunc)(Rule)
- # [21:57] <khuey> ok
- # [21:57] <khuey> so it's not that one
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- # [21:57] <bsmedberg> ok, I'll file it
- # [21:57] <khuey> and 2 and 3 don't make much sense either
- # [21:57] <@dbaron> khuey, are you debugging a crash or something?
- # [21:57] <khuey> dbaron: well, a problem with a patch I'm writing, yes
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- # [21:58] <@dbaron> khuey, there might be some other style-attribute-like cases where we use a rule without a containing sheet
- # [21:58] <khuey> dbaron: I want to grab the relevant nsIStyleSheet when we start kicking off image loads
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- # [21:58] <khuey> dbaron: but it seems that that's too early
- # [21:59] <@dbaron> khuey, to do what?
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- # [21:59] <@dbaron> khuey, you mean from nsCSSValue::StartImageLoad or whatever it's called?
- # [21:59] <khuey> dbaron: roughly, yes
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- # [21:59] <khuey> dbaron: ultimately, so that style sheets know whether they have pending image loads that need to block onload for any document they're attached to
- # [22:00] <khuey> but for the moment I'll settle for a non-null pointer ;-)
- # [22:00] <@dbaron> khuey, why does it need to be associated with a sheet?
- # [22:00] <@dbaron> khuey, why not just associate it with a document
- # [22:01] <@dbaron> khuey, I don't even know how you'd get to a rule or sheet from nsCSSValue::StartImageLoad
- # [22:01] <khuey> because a given request can be associated with a whole bunch of documents
- # [22:01] <@dbaron> khuey, er, no, I guess I do
- # [22:01] <khuey> /value/whatever
- # [22:01] <khuey> dbaron: well, getting to a rule isn't hard
- # [22:01] <khuey> getting to a sheet seems to be!
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- # [22:01] <@dbaron> khuey, from the caller, I suppose?
- # [22:01] <khuey> yeah
- # [22:01] <@dbaron> khuey, maybe the rule isn't a CSS rule?
- # [22:02] <Mano_> bz_pto: replied.
- # [22:02] <khuey> dbaron: I'm grabbing the sheet from the stylecontext's rulenode in nsCSSCompressedDataBlock::MapRuleInfoInto
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- # [22:02] <khuey> the stylecontext's rulenode's rule, that is
- # [22:02] <khuey> except for the part where it's null
- # [22:02] <@dbaron> khuey, that gives you the most specific rule that matched the style context
- # [22:03] <@dbaron> khuey, a style context is associated with an ordered sequence of rules
- # [22:03] <khuey> aha
- # [22:03] <@dbaron> khuey, the rule tree is a lexicographic tree that represents that sequence
- # [22:03] <@dbaron> khuey, the rule node pointer points to the most specific rule -- i.e., representing the end of the sequence
- # [22:03] <khuey> ok
- # [22:03] <khuey> so that rule node pointer isn't necessarily the rule node that my nsCSSValue belongs to
- # [22:03] <khuey> right?
- # [22:03] <@dbaron> khuey, nope
- # [22:03] <khuey> ok
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- # [22:04] <khuey> so in my test case it probably is for a style attribute
- # [22:04] <khuey> which explains the null pointer
- # [22:04] <@dbaron> khuey, I still don't see why you want to associate this with a sheet
- # [22:05] <@dbaron> khuey, we're going to do the start image load stuff for every document that matches the rule
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- # [22:05] <@dbaron> khuey, the only change you'd need is to also add cases for "is already loading but not done yet" in addition to the current "we need to start a load"
- # [22:06] <@dbaron> khuey, though, honestly, sharing sheets (and thus values) is pretty rare -- I think we just do it or UA/user sheets and for sheets shared on the XUL prototype document
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- # [22:07] <@dbaron> khuey, adding those cases would depend on checking for _Image units in addition to _URL units, since we flip the unit when we start the load
- # [22:07] <khuey> right
- # [22:07] * khuey tries to remember what problems he ran into when doing this with documents a few weeks ago
- # [22:07] <@dbaron> khuey, or maybe adding a third unit fro LoadingImage
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- # [22:10] <khuey> dbaron: hmm, ok, I think that might be enough to fix the problems I had the first time
- # [22:10] <khuey> dbaron: thanks
- # [22:11] <Mossop> Can we do xulrunner builds through tryserver?
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- # [22:13] <bsmedberg> I suspect that you could *build* but they wouldn't get uploaded
- # [22:13] * bsmedberg isn't sure of that though
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- # [22:14] <Mossop> hm
- # [22:14] <@dbaron> one can do pretty horrible hacks to get things out of tryserver :-)
- # [22:14] <ted> you've got a lot of turing-complete languages to work with
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- # [22:14] <ted> from your mozconfig on up
- # [22:14] <Mossop> heh
- # [22:15] <Mossop> I am looking for something that will take less time than connecting to some VMs at the office though
- # [22:15] <@dbaron> I've used tryserver for building binary extensions, for example.
- # [22:15] <ted> that's actually a good idea
- # [22:15] <khuey> has anybody else seen weird scrolling artifacts in textareas?
- # [22:15] <khuey> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/wtfbw.png/
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- # [22:15] <jhammel> khuey: yes, very intermittently
- # [22:16] <khuey> is there a bug?
- # [22:16] <jhammel> khuey: i admire that you actually got a screen capture; i have never been successful at that
- # [22:16] <jhammel> no idea
- # [22:16] <khuey> ok
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- # [22:19] <khuey> jhammel: 714345
- # [22:19] <jhammel> khuey: awesome, thanks
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- # [22:38] <NeilAway> bah, how do you work out which 1/5 test you need?
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- # [22:39] <darktrojan> start the cancel them
- # [22:39] <darktrojan> then*
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- # [22:41] <darktrojan> 0 INFO Running tests in tests/Harness_sanity, tests/MochiKit-1.4.2/tests, tests/browser/base/content/test, tests/browser/components/feeds/test, tests/caps/tests/mochitest, tests/content/base/test, tests/content/base/test/websocket_hybi, tests/content/canvas/test/crossorigin, tests/content/canvas/test, tests/content/canvas/test/webgl, tests/content/events/test, tests/content/html/content/test, tests/content/html/document/test, tests
- # [22:41] <darktrojan> /content/media/test, tests/content/smil/test, tests/content/svg/content/test
- # [22:42] * darktrojan hopes there's a better way but doesn't know it
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- # [22:59] <NeilAway> darktrojan: I just checked the full logs from a previous build until I found the one that included the test I was editing
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- # [23:01] <jhammel> khuey: i can't really repro bug 714345 in the way i think you're doing it
- # [23:01] <jhammel> khuey: what platform are you on?
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- # [23:02] <khuey> jhammel: windows
- # [23:03] <jhammel> linux here
- # [23:03] <jhammel> :shrug:
- # [23:03] <jhammel> i have definitely seen it before though, i could never really detect a pattern nor could i screenshot it
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- # [23:04] <jhammel> evidently `import screenshot.png` resets some buffer somewhere :/
- # [23:05] <sfink> I use the PrtSc key on Linux (ok, Fedora 14). I wonder if it would do any better. (It uses gnome-screenshot)
- # [23:05] * jhammel has no idea
- # [23:05] <khuey> PrtSc on Windows grabs it for me
- # [23:05] <jhammel> though i don't use gnome
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- # [23:06] <sfink> PrtSc might still be bound to something useful, though
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- # [23:06] <reuben> khuey, I'm seeing artifacts like that on random places on the browser
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- # [23:06] <jhammel> sfink: no it ain't ;)
- # [23:06] <reuben> like doorhanger notifications
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- # [23:06] <sfink> alt-PrtSc? I've seen that one somewhere too.
- # [23:06] <reuben> filed bug 694296 and attached some screenshots
- # [23:06] <reuben> (on OS X btw)
- # [23:06] <sfink> then there's always a smartphone camera...
- # [23:07] <jhammel> sfink: i have my own hotkeys file so i know what is bound to what ;)
- # [23:07] <jhammel> sfink: yeah, i've thought of that....most of the pictures turn out too blurry to be usable
- # [23:07] <jhammel> maybe my tablet camera is better...haven't tried
- # [23:07] <reuben> on OS X you need a whole screen screencapture to get it
- # [23:08] <reuben> anything that updates the window will make it go away (probably a repaint)
- # [23:09] <sfink> if you pull the power from an LCD monitor, is there enough residual energy to be able to recover the last image with a few million dollars' worth of forensics equipment?
- # [23:09] <sfink> just tryin' to be helpful here
- # [23:09] <jhammel> heh
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- # [23:10] <blassey> catlee-buildduty: is bm-remote.build.mozilla.org behind a firewall?
- # [23:11] <jhammel> ah, import -window root may work
- # [23:11] * jhammel binds that to something
- # [23:11] <sfink> the space bar seems good
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- # [23:11] <jhammel> hah!
- # [23:12] <khuey> sfink: if it were a CRT you could pick up the internal electrical currents :-P
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- # [23:14] <sfink> been reading the cryptonomicon?
- # [23:15] <jhammel> or, given enough measurements you could approximate the electromagnetic signal at some time in the past by integration of permitivity over the frequency spectrum and measured absorption rates
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- # [23:15] <jhammel> i'm sure the math would be trivial ;)
- # [23:15] <sfink> gesundheit
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- # [23:19] <catlee-buildduty> blassey: I don't know what that is...
- # [23:19] <catlee-buildduty> but chances are if it's in .build.mozilla.org it requires vpn access
- # [23:19] <blassey> trying to figure out a talos bustage from try
- # [23:19] <blassey> and its failing to load http://bm-remote.build.mozilla.org/getInfo.html
- # [23:20] <blassey> so my next question was where can I find getInfo.html
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- # [23:22] <philor> jmaher|afk's got inbound bustage, if someone could back him out
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- # [23:23] <gal> roc: ping
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- # [23:26] <philor> or I guess I could, couldn't I?
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- # [23:27] <edmorley|away> i'll do it
- # [23:27] <edmorley|away> ah too late
- # [23:27] <dholbert> edmorley|away, looks like philor beat you
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- # [23:31] <catlee-buildduty> blassey: where do you see that bm-remote error?
- # [23:32] <blassey> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8239509&tree=Try&full=1
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- # [23:32] <blassey> its actually in every log I've looked at from this push https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=56272e1094c7
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- # [23:40] <WeirdAl> Hey, guys - should I be worried when debugging in Firebug, and FF becomes unresponsive?
- # [23:40] <WeirdAl> working with pure JS
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- # [23:57] <gps> I seem to remember emails involved getting Aurora approval. however, nothing is mentioned on https://wiki.mozilla.org/Tree_Rules. am I on crack?
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- # [23:58] <khuey> your question does not parse
- # [23:59] <gps> for Aurora approval, is updating Bugzilla all that is needed? or, do I need to contact the release drivers to register on radar?
- # Session Close: Sat Dec 31 00:00:00 2011
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