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  1. # Session Start: Sat Dec 31 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #developers
  3. # [00:00] <khuey> requesting approval in the bug is sufficient
  4. # [00:02] <gps> yay!
  5. # [00:02] <jmaher|afk> philor: thanks
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  10. # [00:06] <philor> jmaher|afk: sorry I couldn't think about which it was, or whether they were separable, too much peanut butter on the keyboard :)
  11. # [00:07] <jmaher|afk> philor: that is fine, I will figure out my bustage and push again this weekend. No need to debug a lot or hold up the tree
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  18. # [00:10] <khuey> hmm
  19. # [00:10] <khuey> if I have an nsTArray<nsCOMPtr<T> >
  20. # [00:11] <khuey> and I have to iterate over it to call a Cancel method anyways
  21. # [00:11] <khuey> what's the fastest way to destroy it?
  22. # [00:11] <khuey> remove the elements as I iterate? clear at the end?
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  24. # [00:12] <dholbert> khuey, you probably don't want to actually remove them, since I think they we have to slide the rest of the array over
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  26. # [00:12] <khuey> well I'm iterating backwards
  27. # [00:12] <dholbert> ha
  28. # [00:12] <dholbert> *ah
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  30. # [00:12] <khuey> I'm not incompetent ;-)
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  33. # [00:14] <khuey> ideally I could clear them all as I iterate them, and then tell nsTArray not to run dtors
  34. # [00:14] <khuey> but that's more than a little messy :-P
  35. # [00:14] <WG9s> khuey:SO your theory is if you iterate backwards enough you will get to the point where you remember how to do this? ;-)
  36. # [00:14] <dholbert> khuey, why bother telling nsTArray not to run dtors, if you've already cleared the pointers?
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  38. # [00:15] <dholbert> khuey, does the nsCOMPtr take any consequential amount of time, for a null nsCOMPtr?
  39. # [00:15] <dholbert> *the nsCOMPtr dtor
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  41. # [00:16] <khuey> dholbert: the dtor doesn't, I'm more concerned about the cost of iterating through a potentially large array
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  43. # [00:17] * khuey supposes he just shouldn't worry about it
  44. # [00:17] <khuey> this class has hashtables too, cleaning the array should be cheap by comparison
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  46. # [00:17] <dholbert> heh
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  74. # [00:44] <Mossop> I wish we distributed XULRunner for OSX in some other format than pkg-dmg
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  88. # [01:00] <NeilAway> khuey: you see, this is why you need an nsCOMArray :-P
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  90. # [01:06] <khuey> NeilAway: well nsCOMArray has the same question, no?
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  92. # [01:11] <NeilAway> khuey: actually for both arrays the most expensive way is to set the elements to null as you process them; removing the elements one at a time will be cheaper as it avoids null-checking the elements twice; letting the destructor delete the elements will be cheapest
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  103. # [01:27] <NeilAway> bah, why is tbpl giving me slow script warnings
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  105. # [01:29] <gps> 233 new compiler warnings on GCC. most of them unused variables. gah! http://jenkins.gregoryszorc.com:9000/job/mozilla-central-linux-x64-optimized/64/warningsResult/new/?
  106. # [01:32] * gps contemplates writing a tool that automatically removes unused variables using Clang's parser API
  107. # [01:33] <hub> gps: amen
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  122. # [01:55] <philor> NeilAway: are you hoving the push part of a big merge? that's the usual reason
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  138. # [02:18] <richardus> anyone here want to help me paint this bikeshed? bugzilla has for each user a name (email) and real name (display name). the real name changes infrequently but it's still not correct to cache it forever. what's a good cache life for the real name?
  139. # [02:22] <hub> some people use the real name to convey a message like "on vacation" or whatnot
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  143. # [02:26] <evilpie> one day?
  144. # [02:27] <KWierso> 74.5 hours
  145. # [02:27] <evilpie> can somebody remember this blogpost how to share local hg reps to save space?
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  149. # [02:29] <philor> evilpie: http://jlebar.com/2011/5/20/Faster_and_smaller_clones_of_branches.html
  150. # [02:29] <evilpie> philor oh man my search terms were totally off, thanks a lot
  151. # [02:31] <philor> the "faster" part is what I like, so it's first for that in all my awesomebars
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  166. # [02:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e13a27a39088 - Justin Wood - Bug 714394 - Re-Add xpfe autocomplete to allmakefiles.sh since comm-apps need it. rs+=khuey DONTBUILD
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  212. # [03:39] <philor> Waldo: orange
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  216. # [03:41] <Waldo> yeah
  217. # [03:41] <Waldo> looking
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  221. # [03:43] <Waldo> looks like a browser-versus-shell difference, will disable that test and figure out the entire story shortly
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  226. # [03:51] <Waldo> test disabled now
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  254. # [04:38] <Waldo> ...and reenabled with some fixes
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  257. # [04:46] * philor considers whether njn really wants to know how to test changes to the -pedantic long long bug configure check
  258. # [04:47] <philor> "First, get yourself Solaris on a SPARC box." "No, no, that would be way too new, you need it to have GCC 2.7.2.3."
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  260. # [04:48] <Waldo> :-)
  261. # [04:50] <hub> philor: get SunOS 3 on a Sun3 pizza box
  262. # [04:50] <hub> or I have better
  263. # [04:50] <hub> Bull DPX2. The built in compiler was unable to compile gzip... in 1994
  264. # [04:51] <hub> (ran BOSX, some sort of System III)
  265. # [04:53] <hub> sorry, my bad. System V it was :-)
  266. # [04:54] <tbsaunde> hub: that would be hilarious, but I suspect he stands more chance of solaris on a sun
  267. # [04:55] <tbsaunde> and I get the impression building on solaris is bad enough
  268. # [04:55] <hub> :-)
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  275. # [05:05] <philor> somebody, I say somebody, done broke GC
  276. # [05:06] <philor> since https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8246079&tree=Mozilla-Inbound looks like the talos crash version of this morning's debug assertion
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  280. # [05:14] <Waldo> if that's the dromaeo pgo one, yeah
  281. # [05:14] <KWierso> wasn't me I swear
  282. # [05:14] <Waldo> also maybe bug 678786?
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  286. # [05:22] <philor> I'd really like to back out this week, or at least the last couple of days
  287. # [05:22] <philor> we've also made a couple of fairly intermittent leaks nearly constant
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  289. # [05:26] <darktrojan> what is firefox meant to do when I click the scroll button on my mouse? (linux)
  290. # [05:27] <tn> darktrojan, depends what its over
  291. # [05:27] <darktrojan> oh
  292. # [05:27] <darktrojan> er, the page
  293. # [05:28] <dholbert> darktrojan, if your selection pastebuffer contains a URL, I believe we load that URL
  294. # [05:28] <philor> and whether you have middlemouse.paste true, and whether you have your mouse doing middle-click from that, and what's in your paste buffer
  295. # [05:28] <darktrojan> odd
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  297. # [05:30] <philor> personally, I wouldn't want to have "scroll with a light touch, scroll, scroll with too heavy a touch, load a different page" but apparently it's popular in the Linux world
  298. # [05:31] <darktrojan> linux users are weird
  299. # [05:31] <darktrojan> the ones stuck in the 90s especially
  300. # [05:31] <squib> i just remapped my side mouse button to "middle click" even though i hit it with my thumb
  301. # [05:32] <squib> but that's mostly because software still assumes no mouse has >3 buttons
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  304. # [05:35] <darktrojan> my mouse has two buttons, I'd like it if software remembered that
  305. # [05:36] <squib> mine has 4 (5 if you count the wheel)
  306. # [05:36] <darktrojan> yes you can click with the scrollbutton but that's just odd
  307. # [05:36] <dholbert> <apple>two buttons? that's so complicated!</apple>
  308. # [05:36] <darktrojan> heh
  309. # [05:36] <squib> what can i say, i like being able to reload videogame guns with an extra mouse button
  310. # [05:37] <darktrojan> yeah, I can understand if you want to map it to do stuff
  311. # [05:37] <darktrojan> dholbert, apple still has a mouse?
  312. # [05:37] <dholbert> darktrojan, dunno, I'm one of those weird linux users. :)
  313. # [05:37] <darktrojan> aren't we all
  314. # [05:38] * KWierso 's macbook exclusively runs windows 8's dev preview...
  315. # [05:38] <darktrojan> heh
  316. # [05:38] <darktrojan> you rebel
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  318. # [05:41] <hub> dholbert: I have too pointing devices and a combination of 4 button and two-finger scrolling :-)
  319. # [05:41] <hub> dholbert: that's easy :-D
  320. # [05:41] <hub> s/too/two/
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  323. # [05:42] <hub> darktrojan: Apple has the MagicMouse. The best mouse they ever made...
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  341. # [06:11] <ewong> can someone point out the git command equivalent to |hg revert -a|?
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  343. # [06:12] <tbsaunde> ewong: git reset --hard is probably whatyou want
  344. # [06:12] <ewong> tbsaunde: thanks!
  345. # [06:12] * philor|away is now known as philor
  346. # [06:12] <tbsaunde> yw
  347. # [06:13] <tbsaunde> you might want git checkout . instead depending on if you want to reset to the last commit, or whats in the index
  348. # [06:13] <tbsaunde> but since you appear to be more familiar with hg I'd expect you aren't really using the index for much, so reset --hard is more likely
  349. # [06:14] <ewong> I was mucking about with some git-based source code... and just wanted to reset to the previous un-modified source
  350. # [06:14] <ewong> |git reset --hard| was what I was looking for
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  359. # [06:35] <qheaden> Hi all.
  360. # [06:35] <qheaden> Unfocused: Ping
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  474. # [11:43] <ewong> anyone mind giving a bit of a pointer in how to fix this red build? http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showlog.cgi?log=SeaMonkey/1325320202.1325321034.508.gz&fulltext=1
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  477. # [11:49] <Ms2ger> Heh, that doesn't look good
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  482. # [11:56] <ewong> yeah.. can't build locally and it's burning the suite tree but not affecting the tb tree..
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  484. # [11:57] <ewong> and none of the c-c vets are around..
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  486. # [11:57] <ewong> s/vets/veterans/
  487. # [11:57] <ewong> any ideas?
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  489. # [12:00] <edmorley> what is? (don't have scrollback context)
  490. # [12:00] <ewong> edmorley: http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showlog.cgi?log=SeaMonkey/1325320202.1325321034.508.gz&fulltext=1
  491. # [12:02] <edmorley> that looks like bug 703878
  492. # [12:03] <edmorley> there's no retrigger buttons on the suite tbpl !?
  493. # [12:03] <edmorley> s/s/re/
  494. # [12:03] <ewong> no..there aren't.. as far as I know
  495. # [12:04] <edmorley> oh actually I know what this is
  496. # [12:05] <edmorley> need to reverse http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b4782acec285
  497. # [12:07] <edmorley> now that xpfe/components/autocomplete is being generated during the m-c phase, the depth just needs changing back to what it was before
  498. # [12:09] <edmorley> abort: data/browser/devtools/webconsole/test/browser/browser_webconsole_output_order.js.i@e5905be25196: no match found!
  499. # [12:10] <edmorley> that must have been one of the files in the bad ckusters found last week \o/
  500. # [12:11] <edmorley> ewong: well if I can convince my tree to cooperate, I'd backout that changeset for you
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  506. # [12:19] <ewong> edmorley: if it's no trouble at all
  507. # [12:20] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg-away, CheckedInt for 692817? :/
  508. # [12:22] <ewong> edmorley: might that affect the tb tree?
  509. # [12:22] <edmorley> ewong: verify isn't very happy with the tree, so i'm going to have to reclone it, which might not be done before I have to head out
  510. # [12:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8f658d460c3d - ffxbld - Automated blocklist update from host linux-ix-slave02
  511. # [12:23] <ewong> edmorley: that's ok..
  512. # [12:23] <ewong> now that I know which cset made it choke.. I'll revert it locally
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  514. # [12:24] <ewong> edmorley: how did you find out so fast which cset it was?
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  516. # [12:25] <darktrojan> that blocklist file really could do with some tidying up
  517. # [12:25] <edmorley> I remembered a bustage cset landing before for depth changes, so looked the hg log for the makefiles
  518. # [12:25] <darktrojan> (also HNY)
  519. # [12:25] <edmorley> s/the/the xpfe/
  520. # [12:25] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, don't expect to get any back yet :)
  521. # [12:26] <darktrojan> Ms2ger: Unfocused will probably wake up in about an hour
  522. # [12:26] <edmorley> ahhh, that's HNY meant
  523. # [12:27] <darktrojan> everything else is an acronym, why not add more :)
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  527. # [12:32] <ewong> edmorley: thanks!
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  533. # [12:47] <ewong> still.. don't understand.. if that cset fixes a bustage.. then backing that out, will still have a bustage for c-c.
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  536. # [12:52] <ewong> further adding to the confusion... since Dec 1, I've |python client.py checkout| and built the c-c tree.. how come it's burning now?
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  560. # [13:37] <edmorley> ewong: because callek landed https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e13a27a39088 without backing out the cset that went with the initial removal of what he's now added back in
  561. # [13:37] <edmorley> if that makes sense
  562. # [13:38] <regen> edmorley: when does my nightly become 12? @_@
  563. # [13:38] <ewong> heh..err.. not really.. lemme think about it..
  564. # [13:39] <ewong> ok.. it's not making any sense... sounds so complicated
  565. # [13:39] <regen> frictionless upgrade? @_@
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  567. # [13:40] <ewong> edmorley: so basically it's similar to a backout of a backout, except it's a backin of a fix for a bustage fix?
  568. # [13:40] <nigelb> regen: at the last uplift. I think Jan 13th.
  569. # [13:41] <nigelb> regen: wait, your nightly isn't already 12?
  570. # [13:41] <edmorley> ewong: an m-c change needed a fixup to solve problems for c-c, the original change was reverted by callek in the last 24 hours to solve thunderbird issues, but that means the fixup needs to come out too, to solve the suite bustage
  571. # [13:42] <ewong> edmorley: which by my calculations means it's back to square one?
  572. # [13:43] <edmorley> yes
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  574. # [13:44] <edmorley> thereby meaning suite/tb should both be fine, by wallpapering over the problem
  575. # [13:46] <ewong> edmorley: so might m-c be back in square one as well?
  576. # [13:47] <edmorley> yes, but it was only a tiny part of a cleanup landing, so doesn't matter really
  577. # [13:47] <regen> nigelb: ok
  578. # [13:48] <edmorley> ewong: ultimately the longer term solution for that directory at least, is just to move it out of m-c into c-c, since it's NPOTFFB
  579. # [13:49] <ewong> edmorley: ok. I'll see if a bug is filed on that..
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  581. # [13:53] <ewong> so basically if I follow this.. xpfe/components/autocomplete must be moved into c-c's tree?
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  584. # [13:59] <edmorley> yes, with s/must/at some point, since it's not used by m-c/
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  586. # [14:05] <ewong> ooh
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  608. # [14:55] <khuey> "User agents must implement the SQL dialect supported by Sqlite 3.6.19."
  609. # [14:55] <khuey> such a lovely spec
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  617. # [15:15] <evilpie> could you back this patch out https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0d642e4e08cf ?
  618. # [15:16] <Ms2ger> Sure
  619. # [15:16] <evilpie> thanks
  620. # [15:16] <Ms2ger> khuey, well, nobody was interested in a more explicit spec
  621. # [15:17] <evilpie> i thought we didn't implement it because of that?
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  623. # [15:19] <Ms2ger> Done
  624. # [15:19] <khuey> Ms2ger: oh, I know
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  628. # [15:22] <evilpie> Ms2ger: thanks
  629. # [15:23] <Ms2ger> Np
  630. # [15:23] <Ms2ger> khuey++
  631. # [15:23] <Ms2ger> 'Triaging [orange] bugs)
  632. # [15:25] <evilpie> i think we should start backing out patches regressing warn-as-error js shell builds
  633. # [15:26] <evilpie> do we have clang builds ?
  634. # [15:27] <evilpie> oh I didn't think bhackett would be working today, ups
  635. # [15:27] <bernd> Ms2ger: are there any personal resources allocated to deal with android reftest oranges in layout, at least speaking for my self I don't have android build
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  639. # [15:35] <khuey> Ms2ger: I'm triaging IndexedDB bugs ;-)
  640. # [15:35] <khuey> evilpie: like I told Waldo, I'm down for that
  641. # [15:36] <khuey> but I expect the js team will change their mind pretty quick
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  648. # [15:42] <khuey> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/offline/storage/#web-sql says we support WebSQL ...
  649. # [15:43] <khuey> it also says we don't support it
  650. # [15:45] <evilpie> khuey: ??
  651. # [15:45] <khuey> evilpie: hmm?
  652. # [15:46] <evilpie> oh i got it now, Waldo also proposed backing out patches failing tests
  653. # [15:46] <khuey> if you consider zero compiler warnings a 'test', yes
  654. # [15:47] <evilpie> oh right
  655. # [15:47] <evilpie> *builds
  656. # [15:48] <evilpie> i presume we have no clang build bots?
  657. # [15:48] <khuey> not yet
  658. # [15:48] <khuey> afaik
  659. # [15:48] <khuey> espindola is the one to ask about clang
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  663. # [15:51] <evilpie> what is the reason for hiding sm on tinderbox?
  664. # [15:52] <philor> twin reasons: it doesn't upload logs to ftp, so you would still have to know to switch to &usetinderbox=1 to get to the logs, and, no matter how many times you guys claim to want them, you do not want them
  665. # [15:52] <philor> you do not want to get backed out over warnings
  666. # [15:53] <philor> you do not want to get backed out over --disable-methodjit
  667. # [15:53] <philor> you do not
  668. # [15:54] <evilpie> oh --disable-methodjit is a pitty, but i wouldn't mind adjusting my build so i actually build twice
  669. # [15:54] <khuey> philor: so is 681170 one of those orange bugs that the relevant developers never even looked at?
  670. # [15:54] <evilpie> but in fact i want this
  671. # [15:55] <khuey> philor: cause I found the bug with approximately 2 microseconds of looking at the bug ...
  672. # [15:55] <evilpie> khuey++ awesome lol
  673. # [15:56] * khuey mumbles something about making off main thread pref usage a hard abort
  674. # [15:58] <philor> khuey: maybe three Video oranges have actually been looked at, though I only remember two
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  676. # [16:01] <khuey> heh
  677. # [16:01] <khuey> lovely
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  682. # [16:12] <Ms2ger> bernd, hmm?
  683. # [16:13] <Ms2ger> philor, is there any reason we can't keep -Werror as tier2 builds, while still displaying on normal tbpl?
  684. # [16:13] <Ms2ger> (Excluding the ftp issue)
  685. # [16:13] <khuey> the idea of tbpl isn't really congruent with having tier2 builds
  686. # [16:14] <khuey> it's supposed to be "look at it, see that everything is green or starred, and push"
  687. # [16:14] <bernd> Ms2ger: I have now 3 android intermittent failures in layout tables and the only serve as a place where to star builds are mobile folks dealing with them?
  688. # [16:14] <philor> no
  689. # [16:14] <Ms2ger> What philor said
  690. # [16:14] <Ms2ger> I should kick people for that video reftest orange I filed
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  695. # [16:22] <khuey> nice
  696. # [16:23] <khuey> we have a bunch of prefservice hashtable assertion oranges
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  699. # [16:24] <Ms2ger> khuey, would you perhaps feel like looking at my build error on this reduced stack of patches? :) https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=21929970e081
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  702. # [16:24] <philor> yeah, I don't get the feeling that very many people know what those hashtable assertions are telling them
  703. # [16:24] <khuey> they don't
  704. # [16:25] <philor> I think Mossop threw the addonmgr ones off into some core component
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  707. # [16:27] * khuey sighs
  708. # [16:27] <khuey> and most of the logs are gone
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  710. # [16:27] <Ms2ger> Oh, and I'd rs+ making those assertions MOZ_ASSERTs :)
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  713. # [16:30] <evilpie> philor at least at the moment --disable-methodjit is warning free for me
  714. # [16:31] <khuey> Ms2ger: if I had to guess, it has something to with http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/src/jsprvtd.h#192 having a forward decl with a default template arg while http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/public/Vector.h#209 does not
  715. # [16:31] <Ms2ger> Fun
  716. # [16:32] <Ms2ger> (Especially how js uses Vector all over)
  717. # [16:32] <philor> evilpie: yeah, the question is whether you have actual consensus that all of jseng really wants to be backed out immediately when a patch breaks it
  718. # [16:32] * khuey sighs
  719. # [16:32] <Ms2ger> But I assume everyone else includes jsprvtd before Vector
  720. # [16:32] <khuey> these bugs are sooo easy when you have a stack
  721. # [16:32] <khuey> and they just get ignored
  722. # [16:33] <evilpie> philor i guess it shouldn't be too hard for everyone to use the right build config, so things should be fine
  723. # [16:33] <Ms2ger> Did I mention I hate C++?
  724. # [16:33] <evilpie> there is no need to mention that
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  726. # [16:34] * Ms2ger pushes, hopes
  727. # [16:34] <evilpie> http://tinderbox.mozilla.org is this old tbpl ?
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  729. # [16:35] <Ms2ger> Yes
  730. # [16:35] <Ms2ger> It is the tb in tbpl
  731. # [16:35] <evilpie> wow _ugly_
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  733. # [16:35] <Ms2ger> Indeed
  734. # [16:35] <evilpie> so where did i find the build configs
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  736. # [16:36] <evilpie> i just copied them locally, but how did i get there, lol
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  741. # [16:38] <khuey> how long do we save logs for?
  742. # [16:38] <khuey> less than a week?
  743. # [16:40] <philor> four days
  744. # [16:41] <philor> because our disk array broke
  745. # [16:41] <khuey> sadfaces
  746. # [16:43] <WG9s> plus we generate way too many extra logs by routinely retriggering on all android build failures instead of actually trying to look at the first log to figure out what happened.
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  750. # [16:44] <philor> um
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  753. # [16:48] <catlee-away> new array is coming back soon I think
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  755. # [16:49] <catlee-away> philor: why are you up so early? or late?
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  760. # [16:49] <Ms2ger> catlee-away, philor is always up around this time...
  761. # [16:50] <khuey> ok, I filed bugs for all the hashtable assertions that we have stacks for
  762. # [16:50] <Ms2ger> khuey++
  763. # [16:50] <khuey> which isn't many of them, since the logs don't persist long
  764. # [16:51] <philor> I did get up early today, though, since I was falling asleep sitting up last night so I went to bed an hour early, and thanks, brain, got up two hours early
  765. # [16:52] <philor> in theory, the array is back and installed, and just waiting for another drive to be delivered yesterday
  766. # [16:53] <Ms2ger> And did someone touch sync recently? That orange X on m-c seems new
  767. # [16:53] * WG9s got up early because it is still the last day of the year for him and he has not reached his annual quota of people he has unintentionally (or in some cases intentionally) managed to piss off! ;-)
  768. # [16:54] <catlee-away> hurry up then!
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  772. # [16:57] <Ms2ger> khuey, tut tut, that M1 on Callek's push wasn't bug 559932
  773. # [16:58] <khuey> oop
  774. # [16:58] <khuey> s
  775. # [17:02] <WG9s> philor: Oh so without a working time machine the drive might never be delivered? ;-)
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  778. # [17:09] <WG9s> When you try to check statuson the delivery you will get the "Oh, that was so last year" response! ;-)
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  780. # [17:13] <Olipro> is it correct that MSVC builds of Firefox are compiling with -O1
  781. # [17:13] <Olipro> unlike GCC, -O1 optimises for size, -O2 optimises for speed
  782. # [17:15] <WG9s> i will lok at my logs and let you know
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  784. # [17:16] <Olipro> WG9s: well, /I/ build with -O2
  785. # [17:16] <Olipro> but the buildslaves all build under MSVC with -O1, I can see it in about:buildconfig
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  789. # [17:20] <WG9s> Olipro: seems like perhaps you should file a bug about this.
  790. # [17:20] <Olipro> heh, OK
  791. # [17:21] <WG9s> even if there is a reason for this, it seems to be a reasonable question.
  792. # [17:23] <WG9s> Esp since the biggest concern seems to be speed on the Windows patform vs size on any platform or speed on any platform other than Windows, this woudl seem to NOT be the correct build option.
  793. # [17:23] <WG9s> to meet that objective.
  794. # [17:26] <Olipro> binaries /are/ larger when compiled with -O2, although not significantly so
  795. # [17:27] <Olipro> one would presume however that does also mean they're faster
  796. # [17:27] <Olipro> unrolled loops and whatnot
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  800. # [17:32] <WG9s> Olipro: My understanding is that the priority has shifted from size to speed especially on the windows platform.
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  802. # [17:35] <Olipro> well I'd hope so
  803. # [17:35] <Olipro> nobody's running going to be running windows from NOR flash just yet
  804. # [17:36] <WG9s> Size wqas a huge issue when the majority of users were both runnign nightlies and on dialup.
  805. # [17:36] <WG9s> and befroe there were partial updates.
  806. # [17:37] <WG9s> So was even then not really a size issue but a time to do the update issue.
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  808. # [17:39] <WG9s> which, based on the state of technology at the time translated into a size of the program issue.
  809. # [17:39] <khuey> oh joy
  810. # [17:39] <khuey> not only does telemetry cause intermittent assertions
  811. # [17:39] <khuey> it also causes intermittent deadlocks
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  814. # [17:41] <khuey> also getting a service can spin the event loop
  815. # [17:41] <khuey> that's pretty terrifying
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  817. # [17:41] <WG9s> khuey:Does it cause intermittent dreadlocks as well? (Sorry I am just rather punchy today ;-) )
  818. # [17:42] <khuey> :-P
  819. # [17:43] <Ms2ger> khuey, oh, the joys of working on overengineered 15-years old code... :)
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  821. # [17:44] <khuey> this is relatively new
  822. # [17:44] <khuey> 2008ish
  823. # [17:44] * WG9s is not at all sure "overengineered" is exactly the correct term.
  824. # [17:45] <WG9s> I will give you over-complicated!
  825. # [17:46] <Ms2ger> Ever looked at docshell? :)
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  827. # [17:47] <khuey> oh lord
  828. # [17:47] <khuey> not docshell
  829. # [17:47] <khuey> so I wonder how many sg:crit bugs we have because do_GetService can spin the event loop
  830. # [17:48] <@smaug> do_GetService spinning event loop o_O
  831. # [17:48] <@smaug> that is new to me
  832. # [17:48] <WG9s> Just I have an engineering degree and associating how this got to the state is is with anything having to do with engineering is something that I will object to.
  833. # [17:49] <khuey> smaug: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/components/nsComponentManager.cpp#1243
  834. # [17:50] <khuey> as with most crazy threading things, it's bent's fault ;-)
  835. # [17:50] <Ms2ger> Hah
  836. # [17:51] <Ms2ger> Burn 'im!
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  841. # [17:51] <Ms2ger> Oh, and ehsan's touched it; no wonder
  842. # [17:51] <bernd> khuey: is it possible to see from code that the pref service is accessed from main thread for example http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/xre/nsNativeAppSupportUnix.cpp#227
  843. # [17:52] <Ms2ger> (Carefully ignoring the fact that he just did s/PR_FALSE/false/)
  844. # [17:52] <khuey> bernd: not trivially
  845. # [17:53] <khuey> bernd: you have to know what thread the function is running on
  846. # [17:53] <khuey> sometimes there are assertions that tell you
  847. # [17:53] <khuey> other times you have to figure it out
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  850. # [17:55] <khuey> bernd: it looks like that code is Maemo-only so I'm inclined not to care ;-)
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  852. # [17:57] <Ms2ger> khuey, seems like my windows builds are still running, so (crossing fingers) it looks like you fixed it
  853. # [17:57] <bernd> it was just a random sample, I was trying to understand if there is a coding pattern that one should avoid
  854. # [17:59] <khuey> bernd: besides "don't use the pref service off the main thread", no
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  859. # [18:09] <WG9s> It appears I actully got my android native builds to be able to be downloaded form my website and isntalled. not to get the XUL buils posted there as well.
  860. # [18:11] <WG9s> This was a how I spent my winter vacation project (which I usually use to actually fix bugs, oh well) ;-)
  861. # [18:12] <WG9s> meant to say "now to get the XUL builds posted there as well"
  862. # [18:14] <WG9s> This should all be automated starting tomorrow (with the XUL builds arriving first because they run so much better on my device and although I post these builds to help others, I create them becuase this is what I run.
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  868. # [18:16] <WG9s> smaug :my perl skills seem to be to find something written in the past either by me or someone else that does something similar and copying.
  869. # [18:17] <philor> "Breakpad tools do not support compiling on WINNT while targeting WINNT"
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  882. # [18:32] <jmaher|afk> philor|away: hmm, what is the breakpad tools do not support compiling on winnt stuff about
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  887. # [18:41] <NeilAway> Olipro: note that smaller binaries mean less swapping
  888. # [18:42] * NeilAway isn't sure how much of a perf hit swapping is, but it has potential
  889. # [18:42] <Olipro> a binary that's 1 or 2 MB larger is negligible in terms of memory
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  891. # [18:43] <Olipro> and I /seriously/ doubt the memory saving there in any way outweighs the performance benefit in terms of CPU workload
  892. # [18:43] <Olipro> *the memory performance benefit
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  894. # [18:47] <philor> jmaher|afk: let's call it "needs a clobber," that's always a good answer to senseless errors
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  900. # [18:55] <jmaher|afk> philor: thanks; it seemed very odd to get that
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  906. # [19:01] <dahal> hi, I am new here. I wanted to ask that in order to build Fennec and test it do I need sun-jdk. won't openjdk do ?
  907. # [19:02] <jmaher|afk> philor: when you backed out my 2 patches last night, I believe you only backed out one of them
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  909. # [19:04] <WG9s> dahal:no it will not, but you can just install the sun jdk and not use it for anyting other than the build and just include "ac_add_options --with-java-bin-path" in your .mozconfig
  910. # [19:04] <WG9s> that is what I do.,
  911. # [19:04] <dahal> thanks...
  912. # [19:04] <WG9s> so i have sun-jdk installed but is used ONLY for the fenec builds and not for anything else.
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  914. # [19:05] <jmaher|afk> philor: but no problems because all is checked in and green now
  915. # [19:05] <dahal> though i didn't get much of what u said, i shall follow the documentation at the getting started guide. thanks once again.
  916. # [19:05] <jmaher|afk> dahal: jdk6 to be specific, not 7
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  919. # [19:06] <dahal> Yup, thanks for the heads up :)
  920. # [19:06] <WG9s> actual .mozconfig line i use is ac_add_options --with-java-bin-path=/opt/java/jdk1.6.0_29/bin but depends on where you installed it.
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  922. # [19:07] <dahal> thanks, will do it accordingly.
  923. # [19:09] <WG9s> I think that is different than what the build instructions on the mozilla site say to do, but I have found devining the java sdk path this way works better for me.
  924. # [19:10] <WG9s> possibly becfuae i have both the sun and openjdk versions installed I am really not sure just the stock instructions did not work for me.
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  929. # [19:16] <dahal> WG9s, well I am currently downloading the jdk6. As I am new to Firefox development, I am not sure about the .mozconfig file that you mentioned, so once the jdk is downloaded your suggestion will be more helpful I guess :)
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  931. # [19:17] <nemo> So. I have at least 2 coworkers who never ever use the google search bar in firefox
  932. # [19:17] <nemo> they always go to the google website
  933. # [19:17] <nemo> because they are freaked out about people seeing search suggestions in their history
  934. # [19:17] <nemo> is there a way to only disable that?
  935. # [19:18] <WG9s> dahal:once you get that downloaded etc. read this https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Fennec/Android
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  938. # [19:19] <WG9s> OR actaully i am not sure that is where i found the build istructions I am using.
  939. # [19:20] <WG9s> hmm open source is somehow liek that multiple pages explaining who to do the same thing with different instructions.
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  941. # [19:21] <dahal> WG9s well the link you posted above was the one tht I was following
  942. # [19:21] <WG9s> sso kind of depneds on if you want to build the XUL version that has a seperate tablet oriented interface of the "new" native UI version
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  944. # [19:22] <WG9s> so si a minor difference where it talsk about mozconifg
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  946. # [19:22] <dahal> oh..
  947. # [19:23] <Standard8> NeilAway: hmm, maybe the better solution would be to back out rkent's patch and add those makefiles to our allmakefiles.sh
  948. # [19:23] <WG9s> dahal to build the XUL version then at the mozconfig step you define "ac_add_options --enable-application=mobile"
  949. # [19:24] <WG9s> for the native version "ac_add_options --enable-application=mobile/android"
  950. # [19:25] <dahal> okay thanks once more
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  953. # [19:32] <philor> jmaher: indeed, good thing I randomly accidentally got the right one :)
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  957. # [19:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a447e66c3174 - Mark Banner - Backout changeset e13a27a39088 / bug 714394 due to breaking comm-central builds. toolkit-makefiles.sh only change so DONTBUILD as per the original checkin
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  960. # [19:47] <WG9s> I finally got my Android-native and Android-XUL builds working and posted on my builds page at http://www.wg9s.com/mozilla/firefox/
  961. # [19:48] <WG9s> shoudl be automated and arriving earlier tomorrow.
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  963. # [19:51] <WG9s> because i have scheduled the Linux 64-bit build that I hardly ever actually used to run last.
  964. # [19:51] <WG9s> The linux and android builds can only run one at a time.
  965. # [19:52] <WG9s> So I run them in the order that I am mostlikely to want to rung th ebuild
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  967. # [19:53] <WG9s> so linx 32-bit first then android xul then androoid-native and lastley (becuase I hardely ever ever run it (Linux 64-bit) )
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  972. # [20:06] <WG9s> oh and all the builds from today finished correctly so tomorrow automated should just happen (I think he is dreaming here) ;-)
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  1048. # [22:45] <Jesse> bsmedberg++
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  1050. # [22:45] <Jesse> for debugging the pandora issue https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90268#c241
  1051. # [22:48] <khuey> it's really annoying when my stacks end in jit code :-(
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  1053. # [22:51] <sfink> khuey: I could give you a patch for that. Which would do you no good, since you're on Windows. You're welcome.
  1054. # [22:53] <khuey> sfink: :-P
  1055. # [22:54] <khuey> sfink: what do we do on *nix? emit dwarf info somehow?
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  1057. # [22:55] <sfink> We do nothing without that patch (and a hacked libdwarf), but with it, yes -- we emit dwarf for the jit code and feed it to gdb
  1058. # [22:56] <Jesse> khuey: turn off the JIT and use the interpreter instead?
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  1060. # [22:56] <khuey> Jesse: well these stacks are on tinderbox
  1061. # [22:56] <khuey> so ...
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  1065. # [22:58] <tbsaunde> you could flip the jit pref to no
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  1067. # [22:58] <tbsaunde> atleast assuming this is try
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  1069. # [22:59] <khuey> it's not
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  1071. # [22:59] <khuey> though it could be
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  1097. # [23:54] <nemo> hm. if you combine noscript and adblock
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  1099. # [23:54] <nemo> you get 11 million users who wouldn't show up on many forms of stats
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