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63. # [02:34] <Waldo> /home/jwalden/moz/slots/widget/src/gtk2/nsGtkIMModule.cpp:332:32: warning: explicitly assigning a variable of type 'gpointer' (aka 'void *') to itself [-Wself-assign]
64. # [02:34] <Waldo> 331: // Mute unused variable warning:
65. # [02:34] <Waldo> 332: gtk_iiim_context_class = gtk_iiim_context_class;
66. # [02:34] <Waldo> ...
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71. # [02:40] <@smaug> hmm
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73. # [02:43] <khuey> that sounds like our gtk code alright!
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79. # [02:48] * Waldo wishes we had a standard for the order of declarations and such within a class definition
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138. # [04:34] <deLta30> bsmith: Should I submit the new patch for bug #697781 or should I wait for Honza's review?
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147. # [04:44] <bsmith> deLta30: Go ahead and submit a new patch. Honza is very busy
148. # [04:45] <bsmith> deLta30: The rule in security/ is that if the person that wrote the patch isn't a module peer, then it must have r+ and sr+. That is why I added Honza as the sr+.
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169. # [05:40] <KWierso> is addon sync supposed to sync (and enable on the other end) disabled extensions?
170. # [05:42] * KWierso just had a dozen extensions get installed and enabled on his laptop, when they were all disabled on his desktop
171. # [05:43] <jbuck> KWierso: looks like this might be related: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712542
172. # [05:44] <KWierso> jbuck: yeah, that's it. thanks :)
173. # [05:45] * darktrojan didn't even realise that had landed
174. # [05:46] <KWierso> kinda spooked me, since most of that dozen are the kind of extensions that open a tab as part of their first-run thing
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178. # [05:53] <bsmith> Am I correct in thinking that nsIDOMWindow is for exposing properties through window.* to web content, and nsIDOMChromeWindow is for exposing additional properties that are supposed to be Chrome-only?
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180. # [05:54] <khuey> yes
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182. # [05:54] <khuey> depending on what you mean by "chrome-only"
183. # [05:55] <khuey> "chrome-only" here is "only for chrome windows"
184. # [05:56] <khuey> not "on windows only when chrome is looking at them"
185. # [05:58] <bsmith> Thanks
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187. # [05:58] <Xaquseg> <setting type="control"> is very not-useful
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189. # [05:59] <Xaquseg> who decided the only allowed child elements are <button> and <menulist> ?
190. # [05:59] <Xaquseg> (or is there a workaround?)
191. # [05:59] <Xaquseg> (also i just realized that seemed rude, sorry, didn't mean to come across that way...)
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194. # [06:00] <khuey> probably somebody at netscape 10 years ago ;-)
195. # [06:00] <mfinkle> <setting type="control"> is legacy from mobile firefox
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198. # [06:00] <Xaquseg> what's the prefered way to add arbitrary controls to the inline settings window, then?
199. # [06:01] <Xaquseg> (or is this not supported?)
200. # [06:01] <mfinkle> Xaquseg, you can't - that's part of the reason why inline setting exist
201. # [06:01] <mfinkle> more structure, less arbitrary
202. # [06:02] <Xaquseg> i need a setting that's a "list of strings"
203. # [06:02] <Xaquseg> should i open a seperate window for that, then?
204. # [06:02] <mfinkle> adding a list of strings? picking from a list of strings?
205. # [06:02] <Xaquseg> the whole list is user-editable
206. # [06:03] <mfinkle> sounds like a separate popup window
207. # [06:03] <Xaquseg> a multiline text field would probably work, but that doesn't seem to be supported either.
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209. # [06:03] <mfinkle> or a crappy "comma separated textbox"
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212. # [06:04] <mfinkle> khuey, that answer is usually correct, but in this case it was actually me who decided :)
213. # [06:05] * khuey resists the urge to get in a finkle is an old man jab here
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215. # [06:06] <mfinkle> khuey, thank you for sparing me, my heart might not take it
216. # [06:07] <khuey> anytime
217. # [06:07] <bsmith> Let's say I have a DOM interface Foo { void foo(in bool whatever); void bar(in bool whatever); } and the implementation of Foo is in C++
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220. # [06:08] <bsmith> Let's say that x is an instance of Foo; how do I make "'foo' in x" return false to indicate it isn't implemented?
221. # [06:09] <bsmith> In other words, how do I implement a DOM interface where some of the methods of the interface aren't implemented so that feature detection works for each individual method?
222. # [06:09] <khuey> you can't
223. # [06:09] <bsmith> So, the best I can do is "return NS_ERROR_NOT_IMPLEMENTED" from each method?
224. # [06:10] <bsmith> and the JS code will have to call the method and catch the exception to determine it isn't implemented?
225. # [06:10] <khuey> no
226. # [06:10] <khuey> why are you sticking unimplemented things on Foo in the first place?
227. # [06:10] <bsmith> Because they aren't implemented on e10s yet
228. # [06:10] <bsmith> It is window.crypto
229. # [06:10] <khuey> oh
230. # [06:10] <khuey> does e10s matter anymore?
231. # [06:11] <bsmith> not all the methods are implemented on native UI either
232. # [06:11] <khuey> ok
233. # [06:11] <khuey> what I would suggest doing
234. # [06:11] <khuey> is having multiple interfaces
235. # [06:11] <mfinkle> yeah
236. # [06:11] <bsmith> but, I was told that e10s will still matter forever and that b2g is using it indefinitely
237. # [06:11] <khuey> ah, right, b2g
238. # [06:11] <khuey> forgot about that
239. # [06:11] <khuey> so yeah, split off whatever isn't implemented on e10s into a separate interface
240. # [06:12] <khuey> and then use the conditional classinfo stuff
241. # [06:12] * khuey looks for an example
242. # [06:13] <khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/nsDOMClassInfo.cpp#2275
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244. # [06:14] <bsmith> Is there an example that isn't 10772 lines long?
245. # [06:15] <bsmith> Oh, I got it
246. # [06:15] <bsmith> MXR is just slow, didn't scroll to the fragment
247. # [06:15] <khuey> yeah
248. # [06:15] <khuey> loading nsdomclassinfo.cpp in mxr is fun
249. # [06:15] <khuey> almost as much fun as loading configure.in
250. # [06:16] <derf> I had a similar issue recently, and bz gave almost exactly the same advice.
251. # [06:17] <Callek> khuey: how much do you know about the mozilla::services::GetIOService(); thing
252. # [06:17] <Callek> khuey: is it possible to null-pointer from that?
253. # [06:18] <Callek> as in, do I need to check its return value?
254. # [06:18] <khuey> yes
255. # [06:18] <Callek> (I'm looking for the right way to convert |nsCOMPtr <nsIIOService> ioService = do_GetService(NS_IOSERVICE_CONTRACTID, &rv);| \n |NS_ENSURE_SUCCESS(rv,rv);| )
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257. # [06:20] <Callek> khuey: would that be if (!ioService) return NS_ERROR_OUT_OF_MEMORY ?
258. # [06:20] <khuey> well, that depends on whether preserving the exact return value in failure cases is important
259. # [06:20] <khuey> the service manager can return all sorts of error codes, mozilla::services eats them for you
260. # [06:21] <khuey> in practice of course, if getting the io service fails you're pretty screwed
261. # [06:21] <khuey> so probably
262. # [06:21] <Callek> well this is mailnews legacy code
263. # [06:21] <khuey> nsCOMPtr<nsIIOService> ioService = mozilla::services::GetIOService();
264. # [06:21] <khuey> NS_ENSURE_TRUE(ioService, NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED);
265. # [06:21] <Callek> ahh that works :-)
266. # [06:21] <khuey> or something similar
267. # [06:21] <Callek> NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED I'll go with
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269. # [06:21] <Callek> thanks
270. # [06:21] <khuey> np
271. # [06:22] <Callek> (I converted a different Get* case from NS_SUCCEEDED(rv) to just a check on pointer non-null :-)
272. # [06:22] <Callek> (I presume that was fine)
273. # [06:23] <Callek> yea, I use Cpp too little these days
274. # [06:23] <Callek> wanted to do a patch to get my muscle memory back here
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281. # [06:36] <Callek> khuey|away: if you're still around, can I use it inside an extern "C"?
282. # [06:36] <Callek> or is it C++ only
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287. # [06:40] <hub> Callek: extern "C" is only a linkage specification
288. # [06:40] <hub> it not specify that you use C instead of C++
289. # [06:41] <Callek> hub: linkage for the function defined, or does it define the ability for code inside it to link to C specified linkage-other-code?
290. # [06:41] <Callek> which is my case here
291. # [06:41] <Callek> the mozilla::services::* is C++ linkage, that I know
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300. # [06:57] <biesi> Callek, former
301. # [06:57] <Callek> biesi: great thanks
302. # [06:57] * Callek wanted to have most of the patch done before I run it through a local compile, and then c-c try, :-)
303. # [06:58] * Callek also hopes NeilAway doesn't scream murder that I'm harming his effort to make mailnews buildable without embedding it into libXUL
304. # [06:58] <biesi> Callek, if it were the latter, you couldn't call malloc of strcmp or something from most c++ functions :)
305. # [06:59] <Callek> (at the expense of giving us even better perf in current supported builds)
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366. # [08:46] <bsmith> what is the name of the mochitest function that is like ok() on desktop but like todo() on android?
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398. # [09:43] <deLta30> bsmith: ping
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400. # [09:43] <bsmith> deLta30: pong
401. # [09:45] <deLta30> bsmith: I have done the changes suggested by you in 697781. What thing should I test to make sure?
402. # [09:46] <darktrojan> I wonder if sync still has the history that's expired off my profile because the database is way too small :-/
403. # [09:46] <bsmith> deLta30: do you have tryserver access?
404. # [09:46] <deLta30> bsmith: no
405. # [09:46] <deLta30> i don't know how to get it
406. # [09:46] <bsmith> deLta30: I can help you later
407. # [09:46] <bsmith> with the tryserver acccess
408. # [09:47] <bsmith> did you run all the xpchsell tests and mochitests?
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410. # [09:47] <deLta30> No, I haven't done that yet
411. # [09:47] <bsmith> deLta30: there is another change you need to make in addition to that patch, which is to increase the cache version number
412. # [09:47] <deLta30> yeah, I have changed that to 4
413. # [09:48] <bsmith> That is the security-info version number
414. # [09:49] <deLta30> ok
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416. # [09:49] <bsmith> We also need to change the cache version number, which is in netwerk/cache/src/nsDiskCache.h
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418. # [09:49] <bsmith> See this patch: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=splinter.html&bug=325765&attachment=210675
419. # [09:49] <bsmith> increase it by one.
420. # [09:49] <bsmith> This way, if you run an older version of firefox on your profile, it won't try to read any of the cache entries
421. # [09:49] <bsmith> since the old version would be expecting version 3 or version 1.
422. # [09:50] <bsmith> instead, it will blow away your cache whenever you downgrade/upgrade across this version boundary.
423. # [09:50] <deLta30> yes, that's what we need it to do
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425. # [09:51] <bsmith> As for manual testing, you can simply go to a HTTPS page that will be cached, go there again, etc.
426. # [09:51] <bsmith> pay attention to about:cache?device=disk
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428. # [09:51] <bsmith> to make sure the resource is really in the cahe
429. # [09:51] <bsmith> cache
430. # [09:51] <bsmith> and then run the xpcshell tests and mochitests
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432. # [09:52] <bsmith> you should also turn on logging, and examine the logs to make sure your cache entry was found and processed correctly
433. # [09:52] <deLta30> what is the flag for that?
434. # [09:52] <bsmith> (turn on logging for the cache module)
435. # [09:53] <deLta30> how can I do that?
436. # [09:53] <bsmith> NSPR_LOG_MODULES=nsHttp:5,cache:5
437. # [09:54] <bsmith> NSPR_LOG_FILE=whatever.txt
438. # [09:54] <bsmith> also include pipnss:5 in your NSPR_LOG_MODULES
439. # [09:54] <bsmith> (pipnss is PSM. I don't know why it is named that)
440. # [09:55] <deLta30> what's with the number 5?
441. # [09:55] <bsmith> those are environment variables that should be set before executing your modified Firefox
442. # [09:55] <bsmith> There are different logging levels
443. # [09:55] <bsmith> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/nspr/reference/html/prlog.html
444. # [09:56] <Ms2ger> Before you know it, it'll be MFBT_LOG_MODULES ;)
445. # [09:56] <bsmith> :)
446. # [09:56] <bsmith> By the way, I hope you know you can build security/manager/ssl with "make -C security/manager/ssl"
447. # [09:56] <bsmith> and "make -C toolklit/library"
448. # [09:56] <bsmith> "make -C toolkit/library"
449. # [09:57] <deLta30> no I didn't know that
450. # [09:57] <bsmith> It is MUCH faster
451. # [09:57] <bsmith> than just "make" without parameters
452. # [09:58] <bsmith> especially since security/manager/ssl is (currently) near the end of the build
453. # [09:58] <bsmith> Which platform are you developing on? Linux?
454. # [09:58] <deLta30> yes
455. # [09:58] <Ms2ger> But it only works if you don't change anything outside security/manager/ssl, of course
456. # [09:58] <deLta30> yes, that I haven't
457. # [09:59] <bsmith> when you change something in netwerk, then "make -C netwerk"
458. # [09:59] <bsmith> always "make -C toolkit/library" last
459. # [10:00] <deLta30> ok. Is there any documentation about this anywhere?
460. # [10:00] <bsmith> The way you learn about it is to get pissed off one day and yell "why is this shit so slow" here in the Mtn View office and then somebody tells you.
461. # [10:01] <bsmith> AFAICT
462. # [10:01] <mcpherrin> ^ is how I learned.
463. # [10:01] <deLta30> lol :)
464. # [10:02] <bsmith> DeLta30: Also, you should run the xpcshell tests first (especially the netwerk ones first), then the mochitests
465. # [10:03] <bsmith> for the same reason: you get results faster
466. # [10:03] <bsmith> and, there IS documentation about how to run xpcshell tests and mochitests
467. # [10:03] <bsmith> especially, once you find a failing one, you should learn how to run the tests for the failing component.
468. # [10:03] <bsmith> er, I mean, run *just* the failing test, instead of all the mochitests.
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470. # [10:04] <deLta30> ok
471. # [10:04] <bsmith> Google site:mozilla.org is your friend. Don't try to use the dumbass search on our wiki
472. # [10:05] <deLta30> yeah, that's how I do it
473. # [10:06] <deLta30> thanks
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475. # [10:07] <bsmith> no problem. let me know if you need anything else.
476. # [10:07] <bsmith> and happy new year
477. # [10:08] <deLta30> thanks and happy new year to you to :)
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512. # [11:00] <jdm> bsmith: for future reference, my smartmake tool can handle most incremental builds for you (http://hg.mozilla.org/users/josh_joshmatthews.net/smartmake)
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515. # [11:02] <bsmith> jdm: thanks. deLta30 ^
516. # [11:02] <bsmith> See the documentation in the source code: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/josh_joshmatthews.net/smartmake/file/5225a743e592/smartmake.py
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522. # [11:07] <jdm> see updated documentation in the source code that is actually correct now: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/josh_joshmatthews.net/smartmake/file/a120ad5dfd96/smartmake.py
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573. # [12:36] <gabor> Ms2ger: is this a convetion? "XPConnect uses JS style, which doesn't brace single-line ifs. (3 times)" I was a bit confused because in the very same function I edited I found both styles several times
574. # [12:36] <gabor> but now that I checked in the whole file the without brace style is indeed seem to be prefered...
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578. # [12:45] <Ms2ger> gabor, no idea why it's inconsistent... They should not be braced (as much as I hate that style :))
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580. # [12:49] <gabor> Ms2ger: alright, I'll just fix it then :)
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582. # [12:49] <Ms2ger> Thanks :)
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597. # [13:33] <Nilos> hi @all
598. # [13:33] <Nilos> I have got a problem with the addons.mozilla.net web page
599. # [13:33] <Nilos> it is always changing its certificate
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601. # [13:35] <Nilos> so certpatrol goes nuts
602. # [13:35] <Nilos> can someone please fix that?
603. # [13:36] <khuey> Callek: use what inside an extern C?
604. # [13:36] <Archaeopteryx> Nilos: file a bug at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org
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620. # [14:03] <Archaeopteryx> can someone ban QUICKSTRE for spamming please?
621. # [14:03] <Archaeopteryx> he is in #mobile and #planning
622. # [14:04] <tonymec> and in #thunderbird
623. # [14:04] <Ms2ger> And #introduction
624. # [14:04] <tonymec> "has left moznet (Broken pipe)"
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626. # [14:08] <IanN> the important channels are safe :)
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642. # [14:42] <IanN> urgh, why do people think git is so nice?
643. # [14:42] <IanN> git is a git
644. # [14:42] <Ms2ger> Indeed
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647. # [14:47] <IanN> then again people that like git probably hate mercurial queues
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655. # [14:59] <Yoric> I quite like git.
656. # [15:00] <Yoric> I am only slowly starting to come to terms with mercurial queues.
657. # [15:00] <Yoric> What I am missing most, I guess, is |git rebase -i|.
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660. # [15:03] <Faral> Greetings!
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691. # [15:55] <ejpbruel> Faral: hi!
692. # [15:57] <ejpbruel> gabor: ping
693. # [15:57] <gabor> ejpbruel: pong
694. # [15:58] <evilpie> Did we or do we still implement python as a scripting language for chrome code?
695. # [15:59] <Ms2ger> We did
696. # [15:59] <Ms2ger> We don't anymore
697. # [15:59] <Ms2ger> Fortunately
698. # [16:01] <evilpie> okay looks like i am going to sink some time into nsScriptLoader.cpp
699. # [16:02] <Ms2ger> \o/
700. # [16:03] <evilpie> we need that for harmony support
701. # [16:04] <Ms2ger> Did you see the proposal to get rid of the ;version thing in Harmony?
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703. # [16:05] <evilpie> no ?
704. # [16:05] <evilpie> NS_ENSURE_TRUE is a pretty strange idiom
705. # [16:05] <Ms2ger> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2011-December/019112.html
706. # [16:05] <Ms2ger> It makes a lot of sense
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708. # [16:06] <Yoric> Do we have NS_ENSURE_TRUE in JS now?
709. # [16:06] <Ms2ger> Eh?
710. # [16:07] <evilpie> nope
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714. # [16:13] <evilpie> "This is totally backwards-compatible: all the new forms would have been parse errors in ES5" mhkay
715. # [16:14] <Yoric> Ms2ger: just trying to parse my backlog.
716. # [16:14] <Yoric> evilpie: ahaha, finally standard modules?
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718. # [16:14] <Yoric> (or something like that)
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720. # [16:14] <evilpie> but yes this proposal makes a lot more sense
721. # [16:14] <evilpie> Yoric: yes!
722. # [16:14] <Yoric> \o/
723. # [16:15] <evilpie> http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=harmony:modules
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726. # [16:17] <evilpie> Ms2ger how can i log something to the console?
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744. # [16:56] <Ms2ger> evilpie, dev console or stdout
745. # [16:56] <Ms2ger> ?
746. # [16:56] <evilpie> builtin error console
747. # [16:57] <Ms2ger> There's something on nsContentUtils
748. # [16:57] <evilpie> i want to report if we didn't execute the script elemenet
749. # [16:57] <evilpie> i think this might be useful eg. if you made a typo in type=
750. # [16:57] <Ms2ger> Makes sense
751. # [16:57] <Ms2ger> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/public/nsContentUtils.h#739
752. # [16:58] <Ms2ger> And then you put the message in...
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755. # [16:58] <Ms2ger> dom/locales/en-US/chrome/dom/dom.properties
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760. # [17:05] <evilpie> thanks!
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768. # [17:20] <NeilAway> bah, I can't easily disable setting document.title can I?
769. # [17:20] <Ms2ger> No
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787. # [17:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/44d992ccc97a - Richard Newman - Bug 714565 - Part 2: more logging cleanup in BrowserProvider.java.in. r=mfinkle
788. # [17:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ac280e7eb3e6 - Richard Newman - Bug 714565 - Part 1: correct synchronization in BrowserProvider. r=mfinkle
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803. # [18:01] <Ms2ger> dholbert++
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810. # [18:11] <janv> anyone here doing mozilla development on a macbook air ?
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815. # [18:17] <lurking> Good grief this page leaks like crazy latest m-c win32 https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/list?signature=nsDownload%3A%3AUpdateDB%28%29
816. # [18:17] <@smaug> it does?
817. # [18:18] <@smaug> lurking: could you please figure out the regression range
818. # [18:18] <lurking> does here - went up to almost a gig of usage in no time flat
819. # [18:18] <lurking> I'll file it - not sure when I'll have time to find a range
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821. # [18:18] <@smaug> I don't see any leaks
822. # [18:19] <lurking> where should I file it ? core: ?
823. # [18:20] <@smaug> core: DOM is ok
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828. # [18:26] <lurking> smaug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714643 - now, I can't repo it - at least for the moment :P
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830. # [18:27] <@smaug> lurking: should I do something with the page?
831. # [18:27] <@smaug> click something ?
832. # [18:27] <lurking> no, just merely loading it caused it to skyrocket
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834. # [18:29] <lurking> I had the tab sitting in background actually when I saw about:memory shooting up - now I wish I'd captured the usage from there
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836. # [18:30] <@smaug> lurking: if you manage to reproduce it again, could you perhaps create CC logs for me https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance:Leak_Tools#Cycle_collector_heap_dump
837. # [18:30] <lurking> ok
838. # [18:30] <@smaug> the 3rd gray box has the script I prefer
839. # [18:31] <@smaug> hmm
840. # [18:31] <@smaug> actually, the 1st one is perhaps better
841. # [18:31] <lurking> ok
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844. # [18:37] <@smaug> !seen ehsan
845. # [18:37] <@killer> I don't know who ehsan is.
846. # [18:37] <firebot> ehsan was last seen 3 days, 42 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying 'but I can look it up for you next time' in #developers.
847. # [18:38] <jhammel> is there a better way of recovering a corrupt places DB than making a new profile and syncing to it?
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852. # [18:45] <brosnan> jhammel: you can try the sqlite manager extension
853. # [18:45] <brosnan> it has a repair utility
854. # [18:46] <jhammel> brosnan: thanks, lemme try that
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856. # [18:47] <gabor> Ms2ger: are you here around?
857. # [18:48] <Ms2ger> Morning
858. # [18:48] <gabor> Hey there, so... I just looked at your comment again and found this indented too far comment...
859. # [18:49] <gabor> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1430015
860. # [18:49] <gabor> isn't this the prefered style then? (xpccomponent)
861. # [18:49] <gabor> Ms2ger ^
862. # [18:50] <Ms2ger> No, the return should be four spaces from the if
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864. # [18:51] <gabor> Ms2ger: you mean like this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1430018 ?
865. # [18:51] <gabor> hmm... I don't like this style too much :( but ok
866. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> Me neither, I think it should be indented two spaces and braced :)
867. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> But that's not XPConnect's style, unfortunately for me
868. # [18:52] <jhammel> brosnan: well, that wasn't available for nightly, but https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/places-maintenance/ worked awesomely :)
869. # [18:52] * Ms2ger whacks jhammel
870. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> And a happy new year to you too
871. # [18:52] <jhammel> Ms2ger: and a happy new year to you
872. # [18:53] <jhammel> well, if you're on earth anyway
873. # [18:53] <philor> oh god https://www.google.com/search?q=unzip+exit+code+80
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875. # [18:53] <philor> I haven't even clicked on the bug that's the second result yet, but I already know that's going to be me saying that I googled it
876. # [18:54] <jhammel> heh
877. # [18:54] <Ms2ger> philor, I must get different results
878. # [18:54] * jhammel wishes that happened to him less
879. # [18:54] <Ms2ger> My second is www.info-zip.org/mans/unzip.html, and it doesn't seem to be yours
880. # [18:54] <dumitru> philor: it's you indeed :)
881. # [18:54] <KWierso> philor: only 3 and half months ago, too!
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886. # [19:01] <sgimeno> tbsaunde: are you around? I'd like to ask you something about your review of bug #713792
887. # [19:01] <Ms2ger> gerv++
888. # [19:03] <Ms2ger> !summon bz
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916. # [19:41] <peregrino> uhm, is it holiday today in the US?
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918. # [19:42] <jhammel> peregrino: indeed
919. # [19:42] <peregrino> jhammel: thanks :)
920. # [19:42] <jhammel> i don't know why i'm here ;)
921. # [19:42] <peregrino> lol, it happens :P
922. # [19:47] <pedro> it is?
923. # [19:47] <pedro> that explains a lot of my productivity
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926. # [19:49] <pedro> is there any specific channel for releng?
927. # [19:49] * josh did not know it was a holiday, needs to pay more attention
928. # [19:50] <jhammel> pedro: #build
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932. # [19:52] <philor> but if you need something from them, your productivity is about to drop
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934. # [19:52] <pedro> thanks
935. # [19:53] <pedro> philor: http://onefte.com/2011/12/26/theres-a-reason-peace-and-quiet-go-together/
936. # [19:53] <pedro> ;)
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938. # [19:54] <jhammel> pedro++ ;)
939. # [19:54] <jhammel> i got so much done the last two weeks
940. # [19:54] <jhammel> they were probably my most productive weeks all quarter
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942. # [19:55] <Ms2ger> Sorry, quarter's over
943. # [19:55] <KWierso> Ms2ger: but it just began!
944. # [19:56] * jhammel goes home
945. # [19:56] <jhammel> wait, i am home
946. # [19:56] <KWierso> jhammel: see, there's no productivity hit by commuting. the system works!
947. # [19:57] * jhammel agrees :)
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972. # [20:44] <Callek> ted: ping?
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982. # [21:05] <Callek> ok.... I feel my Cpp memory is failing me
983. # [21:05] <Callek> I want to make mozilla/Services.h externally linkable/usable
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985. # [21:06] <Callek> the functions there, return pointers to nsCOMPtr<class> (already_addreffed)
986. # [21:06] <Callek> I should stick the header with NS_IMPORT(type) and the definition with NS_EXPORT(type) correct?
987. # [21:06] <Callek> or is my memory really wrong
988. # [21:07] <Callek> (and of course, presume that all classes are externally useable)
989. # [21:07] <Ms2ger> No idea
990. # [21:07] <Callek> I'm just completely forgetting my Cpp linkage semantics
991. # [21:07] <Callek> and how we define our macro's
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994. # [21:10] * Callek wonders who else might be able to tell me and might be around.... -- Bas, smaug, glandium, sid0, jst maybe?
995. # [21:11] <Callek> ...maybe even vlad :-)
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997. # [21:15] * Callek would be happy if NeilAway pokes back in before I get an answer to tell me as well, since this is specifically for an issue NeilAway has with a different patch I'm working on
998. # [21:15] <josh> Do we have a bug on integrating pdf.js with Firefox?
999. # [21:16] <Callek> josh: imo, pdf.js is *currently* too slow to make it a suiteable replacement for [on windows at least] Adobe, in our default ship
1000. # [21:17] <jhammel> Callek: any knowledge of if that is actively being worked on?
1001. # [21:17] <Callek> I'd happily have us offer it as a "plugin" for pdf viewing when a user loads a pdf doc and doesn't have a browser-based pdf viewer
1002. # [21:17] <jhammel> i don't even install adobe
1003. # [21:17] <Callek> jhammel: no idea though :(
1004. # [21:17] <@smaug> Callek: ?
1005. # [21:17] <@smaug> oh, no, I don't know the answer
1006. # [21:17] <@smaug> NeilAway would know
1007. # [21:18] <Callek> smaug: basically, "how do I turn a currently internal-to-libxul only to be externally linkable" assuming everything it uses directly is externally useable"
1008. # [21:18] <@smaug> don't remember now the right macros names
1009. # [21:19] <Callek> yea, one of the downsides to useing libxul everywhere
1010. # [21:19] <Callek> :-)
1011. # [21:19] <Callek> (I touch cpp soo infrequently lately, that I feel sad for not knowing this relatively simple solution)
1012. # [21:19] <@smaug> (and I'm in middle of some crazy experiment to cut out half of cycle collectable objects from graph )
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1014. # [21:20] <Callek> smaug: sooo, fwiw I've been using your beta-based patchset that you handed me a while back, the build (to me) seems just as stable as it always was on beta -- and is noticeably better at CC
1015. # [21:21] <Callek> not perfect (I still get a peak of around 1400ms) but thats much much better than peak of 3600->4000ms that I _was_ getting
1016. # [21:21] <Callek> average is around 500ms after running for a day or two
1017. # [21:21] <@smaug> Callek: "better" sounds already good to me
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1019. # [21:22] <@smaug> Callek: could you actually try latest beta builds
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1021. # [21:22] <Callek> smaug: so imo, we should drive these patches into beta, asap to get wider testing :-)
1022. # [21:22] <@smaug> those have also some other fixes
1023. # [21:22] <Callek> ooo did you get them into beta already?
1024. # [21:22] <@smaug> beta has also a major fix for gc handling
1025. # [21:23] <Callek> ahh b2 or would those fixes only be in b3?
1026. # [21:23] <@smaug> (I'm trying to figure out ways to cut CC times radically ... still aiming <10ms)
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1028. # [21:23] <@smaug> Callek: don't remember b2 or b3
1029. # [21:23] <@smaug> Callek: you could try nightly beta build
1030. # [21:23] <Callek> well if you haven't gotten these two patches that I'm testing in, I'll hold off for now :-) http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/graph
1031. # [21:23] <Callek> beta's don't have nightlies, only on-change
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1033. # [21:24] <@smaug> Callek: the patches are in beta...
1034. # [21:24] <Callek> ahh ok :-)
1035. # [21:24] <@smaug> and betas do have nightlies, afaik
1036. # [21:24] <@smaug> but let me check...
1037. # [21:25] <@smaug> I landed some stuff to be 2011-12-29
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1040. # [21:26] <@smaug> hmm, b2 is 2011-12-28 I think
1041. # [21:26] <Callek> smaug: so I see http://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/8eb1b0b3255c in beta now, but not http://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/b58561cd3f63
1042. # [21:26] <Callek> and first is b3
1043. # [21:27] <Callek> (I'm testing a try of both those) :-)
1044. # [21:28] <@smaug> oh, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711900 didn't land to beta yet
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1051. # [21:32] <Callek> smaug: just commented on that bug about my testing, to help inform driver decisions for approval :-)
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1057. # [21:37] <@smaug> Callek: er, what?
1058. # [21:37] <@smaug> you haven't been testing that patch, I think
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1060. # [21:37] <@smaug> you've been testing the patches which have landed already, well, at least the first one
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1063. # [21:41] <Callek> smaug: http://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/b58561cd3f63
1064. # [21:41] <Callek> and note the "parent"
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1066. # [21:41] <Callek> http://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/8eb1b0b3255c
1067. # [21:42] <Callek> BOTH i am testing in this same try build
1068. # [21:42] <Callek> smaug: http://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/1e13590c5969 is the beta changeset you based atop of
1069. # [21:42] <@smaug> Callek: the patch for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711900 is something else
1070. # [21:43] <Callek> oooooo, I thought you were citing 711900 as the other one I am testing
1071. # [21:43] <Callek> :/
1072. # [21:43] * philor|away is now known as philor
1073. # [21:43] <@smaug> no, I was saying that 711900 is an important fix for beta
1074. # [21:44] * Callek corrects his bug statement
1075. # [21:44] <Callek> smaug: so which bug is accounted for the other patch I am testing?
1076. # [21:44] <Callek> since it doesn't seem to have landed on beta
1077. # [21:45] <@smaug> there is the black nodes patch
1078. # [21:45] <@smaug> and black content lists
1079. # [21:45] <@smaug> and jseventlistener
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1081. # [21:45] <@smaug> I'm not sure whether black content list thing will land to beta
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1083. # [21:46] <Callek> smaug: yea, black content list is the one I am talking about
1084. # [21:46] <Callek> I suspect that has a lot to do with the better perf I am getting
1085. # [21:46] <Callek> not sure, but suspecion here :-)
1086. # [21:46] <@smaug> bug 702036 is the jseventlistener thing
1087. # [21:47] <Callek> (s/$bad-spelling/$good-spelling/
1088. # [21:48] <Callek> jseventlistener I haven't [yet] tested
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1092. # [21:57] <Callek> smaug: so what bug is black content lists? (or is there no bug yet)?
1093. # [21:58] <Ms2ger> 713462
1094. # [21:58] <@smaug> there is bug
1095. # [21:58] <@smaug> since it landed to trunk
1096. # [21:59] <@smaug> ok, looks like ~65% of WrappedJS traversing can be skipped
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1098. # [22:01] <Callek> smaug: special reason we're not requesting approval for 713462? is it deemed pretty risky, etc?
1099. # [22:04] <@smaug> Callek: it may not be too useful, so just trying to reduce the risk
1100. # [22:04] * philor|away is now known as philor
1101. # [22:04] <@smaug> but perhaps it could be ok for beta
1102. # [22:05] * mattwoodrow|away is now known as mattwoodrow
1103. # [22:07] <Callek> well yea my testing seems to suggest its stable, but I'm merely one user :-)
1104. # [22:07] <Callek> and anything that helps CC on beta is useful, imo
1105. # [22:07] <Callek> even if it helps only by 0.01 %
1106. # [22:07] <Callek> given the numbers I saw before I touched this try build
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