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# Session Start: Thu Jan 05 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <edmorley> bbondy: I think it should be fine, it might just be good to merge inbound first, once a bit more goes green
# [00:00] <edmorley> what time did you have in mind?
# [00:00] <bbondy> as soon as this finishes: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=69b9ddbaee4a
# [00:00] <bbondy> so maybe a couple hours
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# [00:01] <edmorley> ah great :-)
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# [00:02] <qheaden_away> Is there an easy way to find out the chrome:// url of a xul file?
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# [00:04] <philor> edmorley: looks sort of unwell to me, I don't see any excuse for https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=0cdaf0773073 not having Win builds
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# [00:15] <qheaden> Well everyone, I'm leaving. Thanks for the help.
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# [00:35] <@smaug> bc: are you on windows?
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# [01:05] <NeilAway> if you wanted a function to scroll leftmost or rightmost (depending on a boolean), without scrolling vertically, what would you call it?
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# [01:07] <jhammel> i would call it ScrollHorizontalMax
# [01:07] <jhammel> with suitable casing
# [01:08] <bc> smaug: linux
# [01:08] <@smaug> bc: k
# [01:08] <bc> those tests are still running fwiw.
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# [01:13] <njn> bz: bug 712865 is giving me a headache
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# [01:17] <taras> roc: ping
# [01:17] <roc> hi
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# [01:28] <khuey> !seen ehsan
# [01:28] <firebot> ehsan was last seen 2 hours, 2 minutes and a second ago, saying 'bbondy: sure, will do' in #developers.
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# [01:32] <taras> roc: didn't see you reply
# [01:32] * khuey sighs
# [01:32] <khuey> woops
# [01:32] <taras> roc: we've been looking at slow startups
# [01:32] <khuey> didn't mean to do that twice :-P
# [01:33] <taras> roc: looks like a good chunk of them could be caused due to session-restore + webpage loading firing before we draw the window
# [01:33] <taras> ie we do dom storage
# [01:33] <taras> and cookie io
# [01:33] <taras> before firstPaint
# [01:34] <taras> bz suggested that you might know something about this and could suggest on how to prevent that
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# [01:36] <khuey> does anybody know how to actually install a web app with the mozilla web app stuff?
# [01:37] <derf> anant perhaps?
# [01:37] <dholbert> khuey, last I checked, you can't in Nightly
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# [01:38] <khuey> dholbert: ah, nice
# [01:38] <dholbert> khuey, but supposedly it works in latest Firefox release, maybe in aurora or beta
# [01:38] * khuey doesn't understand what the point is
# [01:38] <dolske> blizzard: http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2011/07/30/geek-gear-ghostbusters-shirt-zuul-house-rock/
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# [01:38] <khuey> ah
# [01:38] <anant> khuey: dholbert is right, a conflicting version of the mozApps API was checked in to nightly, so to test it you need to install the add-on in aurora or release
# [01:38] <khuey> that's fun
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# [01:38] <khuey> anant: nice
# [01:38] * khuey pulls mozilla-beta
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# [01:38] <anant> or you could, you know, grab a binary :)
# [01:39] <khuey> prebuild binaries won't tell me how badly it leaks
# [01:39] <anant> aha!
# [01:43] <blizzard> dolske: woah!
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# [01:44] <khuey> anant: fwiw, in Nightly, just starting up and shutting down with the addon installed leaks a ton of stuff :-/
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# [01:44] <taras> roc: ping
# [01:45] <anant> khuey: yeah, I'm not surprised. we already know about one major issue which is we can't clean up injected APIs. not sure what the best solution is for it...
# [01:46] <anant> we are going to rewrite the injection code, however, to be compatible with the APIs that are checked into mozilla-central, so we will revisit the problem then
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# [01:46] <khuey> yeah
# [01:46] <anant> khuey: happy to hear about other things that we may have missed!
# [01:46] <khuey> heh
# [01:46] <khuey> I don't have time to dig into it in too much depth, unfortunately
# [01:46] <khuey> I just want to see if the leak is a fixed size or if it grows
# [01:47] <anant> good start
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# [01:49] <jdm> :O the JS debugger landed on m-c!
# [01:49] <khuey> it did?
# [01:49] <khuey> tomorrow's nightly is going to be so hot
# [01:49] <khuey> js debugger, silent updates
# [01:50] <jdm> according to the m-c log it did
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# [01:52] <edmorley> dRdR: ping
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# [01:54] <mjschranz> Does anyone here know Olli Pettay's IRC nic? Assuming he is in this channel at all of course.
# [01:54] <biesi> smaug
# [01:54] <biesi> but he's on european time, so he's likely asleep now
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# [01:55] <biesi> missed him by half an hour it seems
# [01:55] <mjschranz> Figured as much. That's alright though. Thanks biesi
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# [02:07] <blassey> khuey: have you had a look at bug 714553?
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# [02:08] <jdm> roc: you could try getting access to the Firefox facebook account for testing
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# [02:09] <khuey> blassey: not really
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# [02:10] <blassey> would you mind? I'm at a loss
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# [02:13] <khuey> blassey: does building R.java need stuff from the locales subdir?
# [02:13] <blassey> yup
# [02:13] <khuey> yeah it looks like the directory is racing against its subdir
# [02:13] <khuey> because nothing ensures that a subdir finishes before the current dir starts building
# [02:14] <khuey> didn't we have this bug a few weeks ago?
# [02:14] <khuey> and I asked ted why that synchronization doesn't exist
# [02:14] <khuey> and he never responded?
# [02:14] <blassey> khuey: we did, in mobile/android/base
# [02:14] <blassey> I think I pointed that out in one of my comments
# [02:14] <blassey> but that bug is so littered with tinderbox messages, I can see how you'd miss that
# [02:15] <khuey> yeah
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# [02:15] <khuey> this is why it's nice to have a bug to star in and a bug to fix shit in
# [02:15] <blassey> khuey: comment 2
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# [02:15] <blassey> or search for "black magic voodoo"
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# [02:16] <khuey> blassey: I'll talk to ted in the AM and we'll figure something out
# [02:16] <blassey> thanks
# [02:16] <khuey> I understand the failure mode, just not sure how he'd want to fix it
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# [02:18] <roc> taras: hi
# [02:19] <roc> taras: I'm not quite sure what you want. Do you want a way to detect whether the first paint has happened?
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# [02:21] <taras> roc: something like a we-painted-now-go-do-stuff notification
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# [02:25] <roc> which paint do you mean exactly? First paint of the browser window?
# [02:25] <roc> just with browser chrome, no content?
# [02:25] <taras> the goal is to paint the browser chrome
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# [02:27] <roc> a MozAfterPaint event fires synchronously right after the paint has completed; do you need more than that?
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# [02:28] <taras> roc: so that'd be the browser chrome?
# [02:28] <taras> roc: i think that's all we need
# [02:29] <roc> yes, it should fire in the browser chrome document
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# [02:30] <taras> roc: thanks
# [02:30] <roc> remove the listener after you've caught the first paint, otherwise there will be overhead
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# [02:40] <taras> roc: filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715402
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# [02:44] <roc> cool
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# [04:06] <jlebar> Anyone seen gdb die with "internal-error: follow_die_offset: Assertion `dwarf2_per_objfile->reading_partial_symbols' failed."? I suspect this may be because I'm building with clang.
# [04:06] <jlebar> (On Linux.)
# [04:07] <bbondy> edmorley: I'm just about ready to land, is that ok? Or do I need to do something with inbound?
# [04:08] <bbondy> I'm landing direct to m-c btw
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# [04:09] <edmorley> bbondy: I merged as much as was green earlier, the rest still needs a bit more time, but least less outstanding now - so think fine to go :-)
# [04:09] <bbondy> great thank you
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# [04:09] <edmorley> the only thing that might conflict is https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2325e88b6026 but shouldn't be too much effort I don't think
# [04:10] <bbondy> should be fine, the only thing that might is toolkit/xre/nsAppRunner.cpp but I don't think so
# [04:11] <edmorley> cool :-)
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# [04:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5af79a8f877e - Serge Gautherie - Bug 707039. (Av1) XPFE autocomplete.xml: Rename openResultPopup()/closeResultPopup() to openPopup()/closePopup(). r=neil.
# [04:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/34cbeb81ea8e - Serge Gautherie - Bug 707039. (Bv1) XPFE autocomplete.xml: Rename resultsPopup to popup. r=neil.
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# [04:41] <Waldo> hmm, so there's 583062 and 712319
# [04:41] <Waldo> both sort of conflating with pages that have embedded media
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# [04:58] <dRdR> edmorley: pong (delayed)
# [04:58] <edmorley> dRdR: ah, hi :-)
# [04:58] <edmorley> this cset is empty https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7dd5039ca2e7
# [04:59] <dRdR> edmorley: I know, it was a mistake
# [04:59] <dRdR> it was to make a change that bitrotted, then I didn't have to make it due to someone else's update
# [04:59] <dRdR> thanks for letting me know though
# [04:59] <edmorley> ah, so ok to merge those csets to m-c
# [04:59] <dRdR> yeah
# [04:59] <edmorley> awesome :-)
# [05:00] <edmorley> just wanted to check in case it was going to affect something not tested
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# [05:04] <darktrojan> is something being done about the burning on inbound?
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# [05:08] <edmorley> darktrojan: xul build red is random 'orange', native talos not sure, looking
# [05:08] <darktrojan> seems a bit odd
# [05:09] <darktrojan> I've got the tip handy if a backout is needed
# [05:10] <edmorley> the reftests pass and the log looks infra-ish, but I'm not as familiar with the android logs
# [05:10] <edmorley> so I could be wrong
# [05:10] <edmorley> I've retriggered
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# [05:13] * mfinkle looks too
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# [05:18] <mfinkle> edmorley, could be b48ad2fa6178
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# [05:18] <mfinkle> the android opt build is taking forever there
# [05:18] <mfinkle> but that's my best guess
# [05:20] <darktrojan> we've got an M3 orange to go with it now
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# [05:22] <edmorley> mfinkle: thanks, I'll just backout b48ad2fa6178 for now and see if that helps then :-)
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# [05:24] <mfinkle> the logs seem to have nothing helpful in them at all
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# [05:26] <edmorley> glad it wasn't just me!
# [05:28] <dolske> Waldo: restoring play on media documents? howso?
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# [05:33] <blassey> who retriggered all the android opt tests on inbound?
# [05:33] * blassey reads scrollback and sees it was edmorley
# [05:33] <mfinkle> and we need to backout wes
# [05:34] <edmorley> done
# [05:34] <blassey> mfinkle: why wes?
# [05:34] <mfinkle> most likely his patch
# [05:34] <mfinkle> if I was a betting man
# [05:34] <blassey> oh.. he didn't get any test runs
# [05:35] <blassey> 01-04 18:35:37.139 W/System.err( 1437): java.io.FileNotFoundException: /mnt/sdcard/tests/fennec-12.0a1.en-US.android-arm.apk (No such file or directory)
# [05:35] <blassey> 01-04 18:35:26.746 W/System.err( 1437): java.net.ConnectException: /10.250.48.213:20742 - Connection refused
# [05:35] <mfinkle> yeah, not sure if that is crap or not
# [05:36] <blassey> looking more and more like an infrastructure error
# [05:36] * darktrojan shudders at the thought of using java.io and java.net
# [05:36] <blassey> no one on build duty right now I assume
# [05:37] <mfinkle> blassey, those errors happen on green runs too
# [05:37] <mfinkle> crazy I know
# [05:37] <blassey> so much noise...
# [05:37] <mfinkle> I wish they didn't
# [05:37] <mfinkle> yeah, so much
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# [05:41] <mfinkle> the build never finished
# [05:41] <mfinkle> maybe it was "coalesced"
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# [05:53] <darktrojan> edmorley, your backout is burning :-/
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# [05:54] <edmorley> random orange
# [05:54] <edmorley> fortunately :-)
# [05:54] <darktrojan> .. yeah
# [05:56] <Unfocused> cos that makes it ok
# [05:57] <darktrojan> heh
# [05:58] <edmorley> it's being looked at tomorrow, so hopefully we won't have too many more of them
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# [06:16] <Waldo> dolske: pause state, position within the media
# [06:17] <Waldo> dolske: i.e. I had dbaron's recording of that English poem open in a tab, paused about 15s in
# [06:17] <Waldo> dolske: when I restored session, it started playing, confusing me for a second until I remembered what I'd previously opened
# [06:18] <Waldo> one could also imagine saving volume and playback rate
# [06:18] <Waldo> might be other variables, although those are the only ones coming to mind now
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# [06:58] <philor> njn: looks more like the all-too-familar "rm fails, configure thinks it was the compiler, that build you left going in your VM will have worked for two minutes of the two hours you'll leave it unwatched"
# [06:58] <philor> not that I'm bitter, or no longer willing to build on Windows
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# [07:07] <njn> philor: ok! my patch changed the build system, but only a teeny tiny bit so I was suspicious
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# [07:09] <philor> both retriggered builds have been going way more than a configure-worth, so you're fine
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# [07:38] <philor> and instead, I get my own starring comments about "x^ÿffffedÿffff95Mnÿffffdb@%c…ÿfffff7%1r%7ÿffffc0ÿfffff0ÿffff82vtSÿfffff4"
# [07:39] <glob> philor, is that a corrupt email?
# [07:39] <philor> glob: no, it's a corrupt test - bug 712032
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# [07:39] <glob> phew
# [07:39] <philor> but apparently every single mail that I didn't get all month was because of that one string
# [07:40] <philor> which must mean that I can swear in my realname, just not in the body of a comment!
# [07:42] <glob> heh, that's correct
# [07:42] <glob> s**t
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# [07:48] <Callek> ok, who here is familiar with Cpp + defines + namespaces
# [07:48] <Callek> I got a syntax question that won't get exercised on try for my case
# [07:49] <Callek> is this correct syntax? http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1434696
# [07:49] * Callek questions about the inline function inside of a namespace list
# [07:50] <Callek> s/list//
# [07:50] <Callek> errr I have a typo in that patch, but that immaterial
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# [07:58] <Callek> Bas: ping?
# [07:58] <Callek> http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1434737
# [07:58] <Callek> Bas: does that look right to you?
# [07:58] <Callek> :-)
# [07:59] <Bas> callek: Doesn't look wrong to me.
# [07:59] <Callek> Bas: mostly concerned with behavior of inline + namespaces here :-)
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# [08:01] <KWierso> bbondy++
# [08:01] <Callek> Bas: so if an inline function is wrapped in namespace foo {} and a function exists at foo::bar(); and is understood as foo::bar() with the proper header included, I can call bar() without namespace qualification inside a function that is also defined inside the namespace?
# [08:01] <bbondy> :)
# [08:01] * Callek wonders if that made sense
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# [08:04] <Bas> Callek: Yeah, I don't see a problem with that.
# [08:04] <Bas> Also the export will never actually be inlined, obviously :)
# [08:04] <Callek> ok great; thanks
# [08:04] <KWierso> bbondy: so does this mean tonight's (well, tomorrow night's, since the service has to first be installed) nightly will take advantage of the new service? the feature page says that signing for builds won't be on until next week, but I don't know if "next week" really means "next week"...
# [08:04] <Callek> Bas: yea, I inline the fake GetFOO and itc alles the exported wrapper for GetFOO which calls the internal-only GetFOO
# [08:05] <Callek> kinda a roundabout way, but avoids the relocation-type crap for internal-only code
# [08:05] <Callek> and keeps the semantics of namespace fun
# [08:06] <Callek> rather than polluting global namespace by way of trying to do it with | #define GetIOService GetIOService_P| type magic
# [08:06] <Callek> :-)
# [08:06] <Bas> Callek: Actually, hmm, this isn't right.
# [08:06] <Bas> These are never defined NS_IMPORT?
# [08:07] <Callek> Bas: they are not defined NS_IMPORT, does the implementation need NS_IMPORT?
# [08:07] <Callek> (I was told that mismatch == bad before)
# [08:07] <Bas> Callek: Whoever wants to -use- them needs them as NS_IMPORT
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# [08:07] <Callek> Bas: oooo so NS_EXPORT from the internal API, NS_IMPORT from the use-side
# [08:08] <Bas> Yup
# [08:08] <Callek> that actually makes so much sense, I wish I caught it myself
# [08:08] <Bas> That basically tells the linker that it needs to look inside a static lib for a symbol that points it at the correct ordinal in the DLL.
# [08:08] <Callek> yea, I get it now
# [08:08] <Callek> which means my v1 is broken too
# [08:09] <Callek> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=585564&action=diff would be wrong
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# [08:13] <Bas> Does anyone know what is wrong with my try server build's Android Talos tests?
# [08:14] <harsh> What is this error all bout />
# [08:14] <Bas> I wanted to land but these android failures have me confused. I doubt they're my fault though
# [08:14] <Callek> Bas: try link?
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# [08:15] <Bas> Callek: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&pusher=bschouten@mozilla.com
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# [08:15] <harsh> http://mibpaste.com/c2Rq6C
# [08:16] <Callek> Bas: is this based of m-c or based off a different branch?
# [08:16] <Bas> Callek: m-i
# [08:16] <philor> Bas: you have a bad parent
# [08:16] <Bas> philor: Ugh, should've checked that, silly me.
# [08:16] <Bas> So not my patch then?
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# [08:16] <philor> I just love when people do that, so I can say it that way :)
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# [08:18] <philor> yeah, not you, b48ad2fa6178, though there's no guarantee you don't have troubles of your own hidden by that
# [08:18] <Bas> philor: I don't touch anything android-specific. So I'd expect linux to show.
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# [09:45] <philor> oh, not infinite, a mere 23323 of them
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# [09:49] <Bas> philor: What? It gets blue now too? :P
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# [09:55] <philor> we actually had blue for one android failure (plus for hg errors and "can't free up enough space to build" errors) for quite a while, but i did add autoretry for bug 681948 which seems to have gotten deployed today
# [09:58] <Bas> philor: Okay, so I can go to sleep happily? :P
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# [09:59] <philor> yes!
# [09:59] <philor> ugh, it's almost 01:00
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# [10:04] <Callek> glandium: sooo... to you on 714967 does either v1 or v2 strike you as acceptable?
# [10:04] <Callek> (acknowledging that v1 has a bug because I don't put NS_IMPORT_ anywhere, but thats easily fixed ;-) )
# [10:04] <glazou> philor: just pretend you're in europe and it's almost 10am ;-)
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# [10:05] <Callek> glazou: same TZ as Austria where you are?
# [10:05] <Callek> I thought you were one hour earlier
# [10:05] <Bas> glazou: That's exactly why I'm going to sleep now :)
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# [10:06] <gabor> I've just got this email from Gary about the hoodies, but the link in the email is not working for me... anyon had more luck with it?
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# [10:07] <nthomas|away> thunderbird will mangle that for you by adding garbage to the end, copy and paste for victory
# [10:07] <Ms2ger> Speaking of hoodies, I'm still waiting for my Fx4 beta T-shirt
# [10:07] <Bas> gabor: Buggy, just remove the trailing formatting nonsense.
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# [10:08] <darktrojan> Ms2ger, is that because nobody knows where to send it to?
# [10:08] <Ms2ger> I did fill in the form ;)
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# [10:09] <gabor> nthomas++ Bas++
# [10:09] <darktrojan> it's probably with my 2010 summit shirt
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# [10:10] <philor> and my bug 600000 shirt
# [10:10] <glazou> Callek: I'm in France so yes, same time as in Austria
# [10:11] <glazou> g'night Bas :-)
# [10:11] <Bas> Night :)
# [10:11] <Callek> ooo heh, I guess my memory of where the timezone line was, was wrong
# [10:11] <Callek> :-)
# [10:11] <Callek> (I somehow thought the line bordered east-edge-france.
# [10:11] <glazou> Callek: UK and IE and one hour earlier
# [10:11] <glazou> Portugal too IIRC
# [10:12] <darktrojan> sounds right
# [10:12] <Callek> thanks for the geography lesson :-)
# [10:12] <glazou> well
# [10:12] <Ms2ger> philor, do I get one for bug 666666? :)
# [10:12] <Callek> [seriously]
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# [10:12] <Callek> [and yes, its not strictly-speaking geography]
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# [10:13] <glazou> you can't cross 6 country borders and hear 6 different languages (I don't mean dialects, I mean languages) through 2500kms inside the US :-D
# [10:13] <Callek> glazou: in the US we also don't grok kms, we're stuck with this messed up system, miles, inches, etc.
# [10:14] <glazou> Callek: hold on, looking for some thing for you
# [10:14] <Ms2ger> glazou, well, do you count Native American languages? :)
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# [10:14] <Callek> well I do have to go now, but my nick will be on here, so ping me anything and I'll check tomorrow
# [10:15] * Callek should go to bed, since its 4am where I am
# [10:15] <Ms2ger> Callek, why is that a reason? :)
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# [10:15] <Callek> Ms2ger: because I'm babysitting a niece at 10am?
# [10:15] <glazou> Callek: from 2001 "I am glad to announce the birth of my second son Gabriel (...) I tried to translate size and weight into imperial units but got lost in the computation of fourth order tensors"
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# [10:16] <Ms2ger> Sounds like a good excuse
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# [10:16] <glazou> Ms2ger: I heard a native american speaking his own language only once in the US in 16 years
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# [10:21] <glazou> should I output carriage returns a) exactly as they were in the document if it existed before b) always according to platform c) always as on Linux d) offer that complex choice to user
# [10:21] <glazou> what do you think?
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# [10:21] <glazou> remember it's a wysiwyg editor
# [10:22] <glazou> a lot of users are not advanced enough to understand this
# [10:22] <darktrojan> put up an annoying warning if it's mixed/not the same as the platform when the file loads?
# [10:22] <darktrojan> bury a setting in about:config?
# [10:23] <glazou> I think I prefer the about:config option
# [10:23] <glazou> a dialog would be impossible to understand for beginners
# [10:23] <darktrojan> good, you know something about good ui
# [10:23] <Ms2ger> As a Linux user, I'd prefer c) :)
# [10:23] <glazou> that's the _only_ thing AOL taught me
# [10:24] <glazou> in the editor team, we organized user panels
# [10:24] <glazou> immensely useful
# [10:24] <glazou> my favorite beta-tester is my dad, 83 years old, touched a computer for the 1st time 5 years ago. If he does not understand my UI, I revamp it entirely
# [10:25] <glazou> :-)
# [10:25] <glazou> Ms2ger: that option also helps version control... diffs in particular
# [10:26] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [10:26] <Ms2ger> Unless you use svn, maybe? :)
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# [10:28] <glazou> darktrojan: some people hate it because it can harm other (badly written) apps
# [10:28] <glazou> but I see your point
# [10:28] <darktrojan> notepad
# [10:28] <darktrojan> :)
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# [10:28] <glazou> not only
# [10:28] <glazou> vi for instance :-)
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# [10:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4795500b7c1d - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [10:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/52d25037c272 - Blair McBride - Bug 691389 - Error: win is null when performing drag&drop of a XPI file to Add-ons Manager tab. r=dtownsend
# [10:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/93e89c2fd096 - Michael Ratcliffe - Bug 691478 - JavaScript strict warning: resource:///modules/HUDService.jsm, line 5012: reference to undefined property this.lastInputValue; r=dcamp
# [10:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8c43976e73a4 - Kenny Heaton - Bug 690552. ScratchPad should display exceptions as comments, just as it does for results. r=felipe,robcee
# [10:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/50c9e7757aa5 - Dão Gottwald - Bug 714281 - Show the all tabs button only when the tab strip overflows. r=mak ui-r=limi
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# [10:59] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: only if you have xmalloc
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# [11:00] <Ms2ger> Well sure
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# [11:09] <hsivonen> glazou: if the assumption is that users are too much of beginners to open the output in notepad, I'd map LF in the DOM into an LF in the output and CR in the DOM into a numeric escape
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# [11:09] <hsivonen> glazou: advanced Windows users can then be advanced enough to get a text editor that groks Unix line breaks
# [11:10] <glazou> hmmm
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# [12:17] <reuben> uh, I can't find the source of this thing: http://waterfoxproj.sourceforge.net/
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# [12:18] <reuben> hm, I can't find the source code of pale moon either. are people allowed to do that?
# [12:19] <reuben> uh, actually, I found the pale moon code at http://www.palemoon.org/technical.shtml#GeekCorner
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# [12:20] <gcp> dont see any source for "Waterfox"
# [12:27] <hsivonen> has anything been announced about Mozilla really doing ESR?
# [12:27] <hsivonen> I see a news site saying that Firefox 10 will be an ESR
# [12:27] <Ms2ger> I hear that too
# [12:27] <hsivonen> as if it was an announced sure thing
# [12:28] <Ms2ger> (In the newsgroups)
# [12:28] <Ms2ger> Haven't actually seen the announcement, though
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# [12:29] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: which newsgroups?
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# [12:29] <ejpbruel> who do i ask about the C++ side of XUL?
# [12:30] <ejpbruel> specifically, i want to figure out what the display attribute does on XUL:window
# [12:30] <ejpbruel> currently I'm looking at xpfe/appshell/src/nsXULWindow.cpp but of course its totally non obvious how that code related to XUL markup :)
# [12:33] <Yoric> ejpbruel: there is no [C++] code – there is only XUL.
# [12:35] * glazou thinks Yoric needs a wet trout :-)
# [12:35] <ejpbruel> Yoric: what a lovely singing voice you must have
# [12:36] <Yoric> Blame whoever came up with that slogan :)
# [12:36] <glazou> hyatt
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# [12:37] <glazou> I think
# [12:37] <ejpbruel> Yoric: how about some useful feedback instead? ;)
# [12:37] <Yoric> Nah, that's beyond my capabilities :)
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# [12:40] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, it was mentioned in passing in .platform or .planning, I think
# [12:40] <hsivonen> whoa! why does nsDOMFileReader use chardet? adding heuristics to new places seems like a bad idea
# [12:40] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: ok
# [12:41] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel, I dunno how nsXULWindow is related to XUL
# [12:41] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel, I think you want content/xul
# [12:41] <ejpbruel> Ms2ger: yeah, i guess assuming that its related to XUL just because it has XUL in its name was kind of a stretch :)
# [12:42] <Ms2ger> It's probably related in *some* way :)
# [12:42] <ejpbruel> Ms2ger: any file in specific i should look at?
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# [12:42] <Ms2ger> I try to avoid that code :)
# [12:45] <hsivonen> "This function is virtual to allow cross-library calls to SetEnabled()" in nsScriptLoader. :-(
# [12:45] <hsivonen> I wonder if we still need such cross-library calls in the libxul world
# [12:45] <Ms2ger> No
# [12:46] <Ms2ger> I certainly hope that nobody outside libxul is calling into that house of cards
# [12:47] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: indeed
# [12:48] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel, can't find anything
# [12:48] <hsivonen> at times I wish Netscape had written obviously tightly-coupled classes instead of observer-y code that's tightly coupled in practice even though it looks loosely coupled
# [12:48] <ejpbruel> Ms2ger: I did find a CreateNewContentWindow in nsXULWindow.cpp, which I think is what im looking for
# [12:48] <ejpbruel> Ms2ger: what I want to figure out is whether setting display='none' on a XUL:window causes it not to have a native OS window associated with it
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# [12:49] <ejpbruel> how do i create and open a XUL file for testing?
# [12:49] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, it always comes down to Netscape writing horrible code, doesn't it? :)
# [12:50] <ejpbruel> is it possible to write something trivial like <xul:window></xul:window> and open that?
# [12:50] <ejpbruel> Ms2ger: ^^
# [12:50] <Ms2ger> Yes-ish
# [12:51] <hsivonen> I just noticed that nsScriptLoader itself is an nsIStreamLoaderObserver
# [12:51] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel, there's a pref
# [12:51] <Ms2ger> But the breadcrumbs I was following through the code don't lead me to its name
# [12:52] <hsivonen> isn't there an extension for managing that pref?
# [12:54] <Ms2ger> Probably!
# [12:54] <mounir> yes
# [12:54] <mounir> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/235281/
# [12:54] <hsivonen> that's the one I meant
# [12:54] <ejpbruel> mounir++
# [12:55] <ejpbruel> that would work
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# [12:55] <hsivonen> helpfully, AMO hides it from the search results because it "may be incompatible with Firefox 12.0a1"
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# [13:09] <Yoric> Am I the only one with error messages on MDN?
# [13:10] <Yoric> Could anyone confirm whether https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/TypeError returns the appropriate wiki page?
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# [13:19] <Ms2ger> Not a bad caller, just an unreasonably sized page
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# [13:25] <hsivonen> looks like StatCounter has finally added support for recognizing Firefox for mobile
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# [13:25] <ejpbruel> mounir: does that addon still work?
# [13:25] <hsivonen> 17th place in the ranking yesterday
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# [13:26] <ejpbruel> mounir: remote XUL is apparently no longer supported by firefox at all
# [13:27] <hsivonen> ejpbruel: really? when did that happen?
# [13:27] <ejpbruel> hsivonen: i dunno, im just telling you what firefox is telling me :)
# [13:29] <ejpbruel> hsivonen: can i somehow load my XUL via a chrome:// url?
# [13:29] <khuey> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/remote-xul-manager/
# [13:29] <hsivonen> ejpbruel: I don't know. I try to stay away from XUL
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# [13:32] <DGMurdockIII> get you stuff togheater
# [13:32] * NeilAway finds a serious pymake bug
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# [13:32] <DGMurdockIII> im almost ready to jump ship to opera
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# [13:33] <Ms2ger> Good riddance
# [13:33] <DGMurdockIII> when i cant get to a website
# [13:33] <DGMurdockIII> before somthing in the browers
# [13:34] <ejpbruel> Ms2ger: be nice to our user :)
# [13:34] <DGMurdockIII> i now there is somthing wrong
# [13:34] <Ms2ger> Users can file bugs
# [13:34] <DGMurdockIII> i now
# [13:35] <ejpbruel> DGMurdockill: so, please do! if you have a specific issue with firefox, we're happy to look into it if you file a bug
# [13:35] <ejpbruel> DGMurdockIII: ^
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# [13:35] <mounir> ejpbruel: no, remote xul should stil lworj
# [13:35] <mounir> still work
# [13:36] <ejpbruel> mounir: hm, firefox specifically tells me: Remote XUL: This page uses an unsupported technology that is no longer available by default in Firefox.
# [13:36] <mounir> ejpbruel: did you whitelist file://?
# [13:36] <mounir> ejpbruel: "by default"
# [13:36] <ejpbruel> mounir: yeah, lemme check for typos
# [13:36] <ejpbruel> mounir: ah, do i need to override some pref?
# [13:36] <khuey> ejpbruel clearly hasn't been around long enough to be jaded interacting with users
# [13:36] <DGMurdockIII> http://www.cnn.com/video/ click live tv then clcik on moring with robem mea
# [13:37] * NeilAway wonders why a quicksearch for "pymake delete target" results in bug 564934
# [13:37] <khuey> !seen darktrojan
# [13:37] <mounir> ejpbruel: you have to run the addon panel
# [13:37] <DGMurdockIII> tell me if the page that pops up lods
# [13:37] <firebot> darktrojan was last seen 3 hours, 8 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying ':)' in #developers.
# [13:37] <DGMurdockIII> after you click on a provider
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# [13:38] <DGMurdockIII> clcik on direct tv
# [13:38] <DGMurdockIII> when you get the list
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# [13:39] <Ms2ger> Nobody is going to help you unless you file a bug
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# [13:40] <ejpbruel> DGMurdockIII: what Ms2ger said. sorry, we'd like to help you, but we have stuff to do as well. if you'd like to see your problem solved, please open a bug in bugzilla. its not much work.
# [13:40] <hsivonen> DGMurdockIII: looks like a U.S.-only paid service, so it might be hard to get help at this hour
# [13:40] <gcp> specifically, it's 4.30am for most of the developers, so the likelihood of someone being able to help you being awake isn't that good
# [13:41] <DGMurdockIII> ok later
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# [13:42] <ejpbruel> khuey: i used to do customer service for years, i dont quickly get angry when customers/users are being unreasonable ;)
# [13:43] <khuey> I'm pretty sure if I did customer service for any substantive amount of time I would become a serial killer
# [13:43] <DGMurdockIII> hey
# [13:43] * khuey worked at a textbook store for 6 weeks in college
# [13:43] <khuey> that was about all I could handle
# [13:44] <DGMurdockIII> im just saying i have i like the fast realese but some of the problem iv been haveing im not sure if it realted to the new adblocker update witch i hate becse i buggy as heck
# [13:45] <ejpbruel> DGMurdockIII: dont take it personally. its just that we get a lot of people here complaining about stuff without actually trying to help us solve the problem. that's as frustrating for us as it is for you.
# [13:46] <DGMurdockIII> you mean solve it as submite patches
# [13:46] <DGMurdockIII> or code
# [13:48] <DGMurdockIII> usually i get way much better help in here when i ask about simple qustion or need help most of the time i have a probly that i need to fix i go to #firefox
# [13:48] <ejpbruel> DGMurdockIII: exactly. but we can't just look at every complaint we get on irc. we wouldnt get any work done at all! thats why we asked you to file the bug on bugzilla
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# [13:49] <DGMurdockIII> yeah but what about all the people that post it slow fix it on bugzilla
# [13:50] <ejpbruel> DGMurockIII: what do you mean?
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# [13:50] <ejpbruel> khuey: i used to work in a hardware store. its much, MUCH worse than a textbook store ;)
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# [13:51] <khuey> heh
# [13:51] <ejpbruel> DGMurdockIII: ^
# [13:51] <ejpbruel> khuey: i loved it though. i learned that the most infuriating thing you can do to an angry customer is to stay calm.
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# [13:55] <ejpbruel> mounir: not sure if im doing this right
# [13:55] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel, if you're asking mounir? Probably not ;)
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# [13:55] <ejpbruel> mounir: i've added the xul file i want to allow to the remote xul manager, but afterwards all im seeing in the whitelist is 'users' (rather than the full path)
# [13:56] <ejpbruel> Ms2ger: badum tish
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# [14:16] <mounir> ejpbruel: it should work so you don't :)
# [14:16] <mounir> ejpbruel: what are you adding in the whitelist panel?
# [14:16] <ejpbruel> mounir: i figured it out. i had to literally add <file> to allow local files
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# [14:20] <mounir> cool
# [14:21] <esr10> hey guys, is it true that Firefox 10 will be the ESR release? http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/740 " Firefox 10 will be our first ESR release"
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# [14:22] <Ms2ger> esr10, apparently
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# [14:23] <esr10> yahoo, no need to support outdated 3.6 anymore
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# [14:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8d341b0d8904 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 705957. (Bv2) test_bug_511615.html: Improve the spelling of "priviledged". r=ehsan.
# [14:27] <sheppy> woot
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# [14:27] <gabor> assuming everything goes alright... which version of ff will contain a patch that has got into the central repo recently?
# [14:27] <Ms2ger> 12
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# [14:29] <gabor> thanks
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# [14:34] <askalski> hi
# [14:35] <askalski> can anyone help me setting up eclipse to work with mozilla-central?
# [14:35] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, maybe?
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# [14:36] <askalski> how to find him
# [14:36] <ejpbruel> askalski: he should be on this channel
# [14:36] <ejpbruel> just ping him :)
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# [14:38] <ejpbruel> so i have this minimal test.xul file, containing a <window>
# [14:38] <ejpbruel> is it possible to create an additional <xul:window> in that file, and have it be displayed?
# [14:38] <ejpbruel> and if so, how?
# [14:39] <askalski> hsivonen: hi, are you there?
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# [14:41] <reuben> "It's just you. http://bugzilla.mozilla.org is up." :(
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# [14:42] <hsivonen> askalski: I'm here
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# [14:43] <askalski> hsivonenv: hi. I'm just starting at mozilla, and trying to set-up Eclipse with mozilla-central
# [14:44] <hsivonen> askalski: have you followed https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Eclipse ?
# [14:44] <askalski> hsivonen: someone told me that you might help
# [14:44] <askalski> hsivonen: not yet :)
# [14:44] <ejpbruel> askalski: oh hey, welcome new guy! :)
# [14:45] <mounir> Ms2ger: interesting to see that :read-only applying on all elements is quite annoying to fix that greyed-out radios bug
# [14:45] * ejpbruel needs somebody who knows XUL
# [14:45] <hsivonen> askalski: so I have a repo clone and then I have obj dir as its sibling on the file system
# [14:45] <hsivonen> askalski: unlike the wiki page says
# [14:45] <Ms2ger> mounir, I trust you can do it :)
# [14:46] <askalski> hsivonen: ok, and does it make any difference?
# [14:46] <askalski> hsivonen: I have no good experience with eclipse
# [14:46] <mounir> Ms2ger: with dirty hacks, everything is doable
# [14:46] <hsivonen> askalski: I don't know. I just have no experience with that part of the wiki page instructions
# [14:46] <mounir> Ms2ger: but adding content logic in widget/ seems wrong
# [14:46] <hsivonen> askalski: the reason why I have them as siblings is to avoid eclipse spending time indexing the obj dir
# [14:46] <askalski> hsivonen: ok, so I try that in case wiki doesn't work for me, thanks
# [14:47] <mounir> Ms2ger: oh, have an idea...
# [14:47] <hsivonen> askalski: you have lots on RAM, right?
# [14:47] <hsivonen> askalski: might be worthwhile to increase the JVM heap size for Eclipse
# [14:47] <Ms2ger> mounir, oh, widget is looking at :readonly?
# [14:47] <hsivonen> askalski: the gdb integration is really brittle
# [14:47] <askalski> hsivonen: I have 6 gigs, I think that I increased heap size for some previous projects already
# [14:47] <Ms2ger> mounir, and should :readonly apply?
# [14:47] <hsivonen> askalski: ok. that's enough
# [14:48] <hsivonen> first, gdb integration worked for me only if I attached to an existing process
# [14:48] <hsivonen> now launching with gdb works for me but attaching no longer does
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# [14:48] <mounir> Ms2ger: currently widget is looking at @readonly
# [14:48] <mounir> Ms2ger: I changed that to :read-only but that even more bogus :(
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# [14:49] <Ms2ger> mounir, sounds like content logic in widget! ;)
# [14:49] <hsivonen> I use only one repo clone with Eclipse out of fear of the whole thing falling over
# [14:49] <mounir> Ms2ger: no, we have states so widget can read them
# [14:49] <NeilAway> ejpbruel: if you just wanted files, there's a pref for that
# [14:49] <askalski> hsivonen: ok, so how do you debug your edits?
# [14:49] <Ms2ger> mounir, so why are we setting a state for @readonly?
# [14:49] <hsivonen> askalski: I launch with the CDT debug launch mode
# [14:49] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: i vaguely remembered that, but couldnt find it. anyway, i got what i need for now :)
# [14:50] <hsivonen> askalski: and if I need to debug a mochitest, I use printf and dump, because using gdb with mochitest is just too hard
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# [14:50] <NeilAway> ejpbruel: why do you think https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Remote_XUL exists?
# [14:50] <mounir> Ms2ger: we are setting NS_EVENT_STATE_MOZ_READWRITE when the content is writable and NS_EVENT_STATE_MOZ_READONLY otherwise
# [14:50] <askalski> hsivonen: I haven't got into mochitests yet
# [14:50] <mounir> as requested by the specs
# [14:51] <askalski> hsivonen: yesterday I got LDAP working, still having some problems with e-mail, and today I fight OpenVPN, so it's a long way until I meet mochitests :D
# [14:51] <Ms2ger> mounir, so do we need to set _READONLY for checkboxes?
# [14:51] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: ive been using that remote XUL manager
# [14:51] <NeilAway> ejpbruel: also, I would help you, but I don't understand your question about <window> inside <window>
# [14:51] <mounir> Ms2ger: per spec, yes
# [14:51] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: it looks like i phrased my question a bit confusingly
# [14:51] <mounir> those states are used to set the pseudo-classes
# [14:51] <Ms2ger> Huh
# [14:52] * Ms2ger actually opens the spec
# [14:52] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: turns out that what i want to do is open a window using window.open and then pass in the XUL file that specifies that window
# [14:52] <mounir> Ms2ger: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/selectors.html#pseudo-classes
# [14:52] <askalski> hsivonen, : btw, do you possibly know how to stop OpenVPN from routing all the traffic through Mozilla-office? It kills skype and browsing performance, and all I need is a win download for testing
# [14:52] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: which was in no way obvious from how i phrased my question :D
# [14:52] <Ms2ger> mounir, so...
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# [14:52] <mounir> Ms2ger: a solution would be to keep _READWRITE for :read-write and have :read-only linked to !_READWRITE
# [14:52] <Ms2ger> Ah
# [14:52] * Ms2ger thinks
# [14:52] <mounir> and have _READONLY apply for writable content that is readonly
# [14:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f3e1f687b8f7 - Kyle Huey - Bug 715185: Remove using namespace declaration from nsDOMFile.h. r=mounir
# [14:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2c8e6bd39c55 - Kyle Huey - Bug 715162: Move LazyIdleThread to xpcom/. r=bent
# [14:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2c39af68ec8f - Kyle Huey - Bug 712175: Delayload gkmedias.dll. r=glandium
# [14:53] <Ms2ger> Hmm
# [14:53] <hsivonen> askalski: on Ubuntu, it's it's hidden behind the Routes... button in the IPv4 Settings panel of the VPN config
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# [14:53] <hsivonen> askalski: on Mac, you need to edit the config files for the Tunnelblick tunnel config, IIRC
# [14:54] <Ms2ger> mounir, don't you think <input type=checkbox> should be :read-write?
# [14:54] <hsivonen> askalski: on Ubuntu, the magic checkbox being Use this connection only for resources on its network
# [14:54] <askalski> hsivonen, : man, you helped me a lot!
# [14:54] <hsivonen> askalski: you're welcome
# [14:54] <mounir> Ms2ger: then :read-only should be able to apply to it
# [14:54] <mounir> Ms2ger: I wouldn't mind
# [14:55] <askalski> hsivonen, : do you have skype?
# [14:55] <hsivonen> askalski: yes, but I don't recall debugging its interactions with the VPN
# [14:55] <Ms2ger> mounir, anyway, I don't understand why there is a difference between checkboxes with and without @readonly
# [14:56] <askalski> hsivonen, : no, it works well now after I checked the magic checkbox
# [14:56] <Ms2ger> mounir, shouldn't they all have _READONLY?
# [14:56] <mounir> Ms2ger: because the widget set some states for input elements and it's looking at @readonly
# [14:57] <mounir> if @readonly is present, input elements are painted as if they are disabled (that's for the GTK widget)
# [14:57] <askalski> hsivonen, : I just thought I might ping you sometime, as it seems I'll be setting a build environment quite similar to yours, and I thought I could ping you sometimes I have some problems
# [14:57] <mounir> with my patch, it's looking at _READONLY so all checkboxes are painted as disabled ;)
# [14:57] <askalski> hsivonen, : (sorry for my grammar)
# [14:57] <Ms2ger> mounir, aha!
# [14:57] <mounir> note that my patch makes things way more consistent :)
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# [14:59] <hsivonen> askalski: ok. I'm hsivonen on Skype, but I tend to be online only when needed, so it's better to ping here first
# [14:59] <Ms2ger> mounir, but worth filing a bug on HTML to ask if all checkboxes should be :read-write
# [14:59] * khuey sighs
# [14:59] <khuey> did somebody rearrange the codebase again?
# [14:59] <mounir> Ms2ger: I think there were a discusion about this
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# [15:00] <askalski> hsivonen, : thanks. I'm "akuda.." on skype
# [15:00] <Ms2ger> khuey, widget? Yes
# [15:00] <askalski> hsivonen: another thing, I received an address to "fs2" (file server I guess) starting with http://,
# [15:00] <askalski> askalski: both firefox and wget fail to open it
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# [15:01] <askalski> hsivonen, : both firefox and wget fail to open it
# [15:01] <mcmanus> hey - I just updated from m-c and got build bustage: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/93gpdjzAo1
# [15:01] <mcmanus> 715162 maybe?
# [15:01] <mounir> Ms2ger: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13390
# [15:02] <Ms2ger> 'there's no UI concept that corresponds to a "readonly" checkbox'
# [15:02] <Ms2ger> Why do we have one?
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# [15:02] <mounir> Ms2ger: it is shown as disabled
# [15:02] <Ms2ger> Oh, I guess
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# [15:03] <mounir> Ms2ger: the difference between a disabled and a readonly text field is that you can select the text in the later
# [15:03] <mounir> for a checkbox there is no such difference
# [15:03] <Ms2ger> Mm
# [15:03] <Ms2ger> So could you just file a bug for the pseudoclass?
# [15:04] <mounir> should we really change the pseudoclass?
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# [15:04] <mounir> hmm
# [15:04] <Ms2ger> It would seem to me that it applies, no?
# [15:04] <mounir> maybe it would make sense to have input types with read-write
# [15:05] <khuey> Ms2ger: yeah, that's annoying
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# [15:06] <Ms2ger> khuey, why's that? :)
# [15:07] <khuey> because it breaks my patches
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# [15:07] <Ms2ger> Pff, don't touch widget
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# [15:08] <khuey> I wish I didn't have to
# [15:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9c4f810196d2 - Kyle Huey - Bug 715162: Add missing nsTArray.h include.
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# [15:08] <Ms2ger> mcmanus, looks fixed ^
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# [15:09] * khuey hopes so
# [15:09] <khuey> this patch stack built on windows :-/
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# [15:13] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: would you happen to know this? after I open a window with window.open in some chrome code, how can i get it to display afterwards?
# [15:14] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: nevermind. looks like i was doing it wrong.
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# [15:17] <khuey> mcmanus: were you building opt, by chance?
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# [15:23] <mcmanus> khuey - yes
# [15:23] <khuey> yeah, looks like I broke opt
# [15:24] <khuey> because one of the headers bootlegs in the header I want in debug builds
# [15:24] <mcmanus> my new build just finshed - seems good now. header deps suck.
# [15:24] <khuey> yeah
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# [15:32] <hsivonen> I like the MODULE NOTES on nsIParser
# [15:32] <hsivonen> "This XPCOM inteface (sic) is all that parser clients ever need to see."
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# [15:34] <ejpbruel> khuey: ping
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# [15:34] <ejpbruel> hsivonen: really?
# [15:35] <hsivonen> ejpbruel: it really says that
# [15:35] <khuey> ejpbruel: pong
# [15:35] <ejpbruel> hsivonen: sig
# [15:35] <ejpbruel> khuey: about our little xul:window discussion earlier this week (do you remember?)
# [15:35] <khuey> yes
# [15:36] <ejpbruel> khuey: you asserted that setting display to none *might* cause the xul:window not to get an OS window associated with it
# [15:36] <khuey> right
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# [15:36] <ejpbruel> khuey: just to make sure im not doing anything wrong here, you were talking about setting the display attribute to none?, so display="none" in the window element?
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# [15:37] <khuey> I was talking about style="display: none"
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# [15:38] <khuey> but I don't know what hte best way to hide a xul window is
# [15:38] <khuey> 56.09% -- js-gc-heap-unused-fraction :-(
# [15:39] <ejpbruel> khuey: ah, see, thats what i suspected i did wrong :)
# [15:39] <ejpbruel> khuey: neither do i, but its worth a shot
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# [15:45] <jfkthame> anyone sheriffing inbound at the moment?
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# [15:46] <khuey> does it need to be sheriffed?
# [15:46] <jfkthame> well.... i believe i just introduced a new intermittent orange
# [15:46] <jfkthame> but i also have a fix i can push right away
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# [15:46] <khuey> heh
# [15:47] <khuey> I'd say just go for it
# [15:47] <khuey> it's still early
# [15:47] <jfkthame> yep, just rebasing ready to push
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# [15:54] <jimm> hmm, should the new MozillaMaintenance service initially be in the stopped state?
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# [15:55] <khuey> good question!
# [15:55] <jimm> maybe the browser starts it when it needs it
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# [15:55] <jimm> although I would think that would require prompting
# [15:55] <ejpbruel> khuey: looks like your assertion was wrong :(
# [15:56] <ejpbruel> khuey: display:none causes the contents of the window not to be displayed. it still creates a window though.
# [15:57] <khuey> fun :-/
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# [16:00] <mak> is anybody willing to mark fixed the last merge I did? I may be lacking time as of now
# [16:00] <mak> otherwise I could do that much later
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# [16:01] <ejpbruel> khuey: would you happen to know who to talk to on this kind of XUL wizardry?
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# [16:03] <khuey> ejpbruel: Enn
# [16:03] <khuey> mfinkle maybe
# [16:03] <khuey> or NeilAway perhaps
# [16:03] <khuey> mak|afk: sure
# [16:04] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: ping
# [16:04] <ejpbruel> Enn: ping
# [16:04] <ejpbruel> khuey: thanks :)
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# [16:05] * khuey sits back and lets Ms2ger handle it
# [16:05] <Ms2ger> khuey, you can start at the other side :)
# [16:05] <hsivonen> observer-y Netscape code is observer-y
# [16:06] * hsivonen has stumbled upon tag observers
# [16:06] <mfinkle> ejpbruel, pong
# [16:06] <Ms2ger> khuey, starting to bore me already ;)
# [16:06] <sheppy> Letting Ms2ger handle things is always an excellent idea.
# [16:07] <sheppy> The more work you give him the better.
# [16:07] <Ms2ger> templates templates templates
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# [16:08] <Mitch> Yo dawg...
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# [16:08] <khuey> Ms2ger: nah, no thanks
# [16:09] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: do you know a bit about creating hidden windows with XUL?
# [16:09] <mfinkle> not too much
# [16:09] <Ms2ger> khuey, alright, mak can handle it then :)
# [16:09] <mfinkle> there is an API for that iirc
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# [16:09] <mfinkle> ejpbruel, you can't make a visible window become hidden
# [16:09] <hsivonen> looks like the Netscape pattern has been then whenever a callback for one particular thing has been necessary, an observer service for a generic class of things has been added
# [16:10] <mfinkle> unless you minimize it
# [16:10] <mfinkle> but the OS window is still "alive"
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# [16:10] <Ms2ger> glazou, I was rather surprised by Spanish in my twitters :)
# [16:10] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: i dont necessary need that
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# [16:10] <jesup> hsivonen: it's 1984: everyone watching everyone :-)
# [16:10] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: what i want is a way to create a hidden window
# [16:11] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: that hidden window can have a native OS window associated with it, thats fine
# [16:12] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: basically, we need our own dedicated hidden window to do stuff like load documents in the background (the singleton hidden window that firefox offers wont do for our purposes)
# [16:12] <hsivonen> jesup: looks like this huge generic mechanism ended up being used for one thing
# [16:12] <hsivonen> jesup: so only someone was watching something
# [16:12] <mfinkle> ejpbruel, hidden windows can be bad for performance, especially startup
# [16:12] <jesup> hsivonen: yeah,about right
# [16:12] <mfinkle> we are trying to kill hidden windows for mobile
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# [16:14] <Ms2ger> http://prutser.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/what-to-do-when-you-meet-a-sighted-person/
# [16:14] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: aware of that fact. we have multiple use case scenarios for the add-on sdk where we need hidden windows
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# [16:14] <Ms2ger> Ironically, that print is so small I can't comfortably read it
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# [16:14] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: if we would be able to load documents in the background without having to do so on a window object that would also solve most our problems however
# [16:15] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: currently, that isnt the case, and rewriting the platform so that it would be possible seems to be far from trivial, which is why I opted for this approach
# [16:15] <mfinkle> ejpbruel, define "load documents"
# [16:15] <mfinkle> ejpbruel, into a parser?
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# [16:16] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: hold on
# [16:17] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/background-window
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# [16:21] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: those are the use cases we have
# [16:21] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: ideally, we would be able to do all that stuff without needing a hidden window at all
# [16:21] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: are you addressing those kind of things in your attempt to get rid of hidden windows?
# [16:22] <mfinkle> ejpbruel, we don't need to address them, since the current "hiddenwindow" isn't used for those things
# [16:22] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: they are by the add-on sdk :)
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# [16:23] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: so im all for getting rid of hidden windows, but in that case i need an alternative way to implement those use cases we want. i was hoping you'd have some thought on that :)
# [16:23] <mfinkle> your use cases are not trivial
# [16:24] <mfinkle> you want a fully functional <browser>, running in the background
# [16:26] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: i know they're not trivial! :) that's why im scared!
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# [16:27] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: we could use a secondary hidden window (specific to the add-on sdk) as a stop gap measure, but if you're getting rid of the hidden window altogether, that wont be a long term solution
# [16:27] <mfinkle> ejpbruel, most of those "needs" are non-visual things and could be run from a sandbox, right?
# [16:27] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: a sandbox doesnt have dom access afaik
# [16:28] <mfinkle> that si the problem... why do you need DOM access?
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# [16:28] <mfinkle> s/si/is
# [16:29] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: i dont make up the use cases here, im just the sucker that has to implement them :)
# [16:29] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: so, among other things, that etherpad says: Compute images offscreen and export them to a file or to UI when they are ready
# [16:29] <ejpbruel> and stuff like: Audio API in background, with sound still playing when you close main browser window,
# [16:30] <ejpbruel> you need a DOM for that. moreover, you need a DOM thats still alive when the main browser window closes
# [16:30] <ejpbruel> which is how we got to the hidden window
# [16:30] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: ^
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# [16:30] <mfinkle> you don't need DOM for audio
# [16:31] <mfinkle> (I am still looking for a hidden window approach, just debating the need in parallel)
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# [16:31] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: btw, do sandboxes stay alive when the document that hosts them is unloaded?
# [16:32] <mfinkle> ejpbruel, no - but you just need to be better about hosting them
# [16:32] <mfinkle> the current add-ons used by native fennec run in snadboxes
# [16:32] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: so you're arguing that we should have a way to keep sandboxes alive, and we dont necessarily need dom support
# [16:33] <mfinkle> you don't need DOM for all those use cases
# [16:33] <mfinkle> some, yes
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# [16:35] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: i really like your idea of having sandboxes in the background, so to speak
# [16:35] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: its much simpler to implement and would at least solve some of our use cases
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# [16:35] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: but the 'some' part is still a problem
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# [16:37] <mfinkle> ejpbruel, for a hiddenwindow: I don't think there is a nice JS way to make one
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# [16:38] <mfinkle> but you could add a feature string so nsIWindowWatcher::OpenWindow could make one
# [16:38] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: thats what i wanted to suggest :)
# [16:38] <mfinkle> only if the caller was chrome
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# [16:38] <mjschranz> smaug: Ping. Wanted to ask you a few quick questions if possible in regards to bugs 698385/698384.
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# [16:39] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: right, that would solve my immediate problem
# [16:39] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: do you guys have an ETA on getting rid of the hidden windows? are you actively working on it?
# [16:39] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: and also, do you have any idea how much having a second hidden window would hurt on mobile?
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# [16:41] <mfinkle> ejpbruel, we are not actively working on it at the moment
# [16:41] <mcsmurf> hi, if someone experienced with strange crashes is around, can you take a look at Bug 713186? :)
# [16:41] <mcsmurf> I'm not sure what's up there, WinDBG says stack overflow (user is starting Firefox)
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# [16:41] <mfinkle> ejpbruel, but removing the window did improve our startup time
# [16:41] <mcsmurf> stack trace and so on is attached to the bug
# [16:42] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: in that case, my short term strategy will be to create a secondary hidden window for the add-on sdk through the nsIWindowWatcher (most likely with that fix you suggested)
# [16:42] <mfinkle> ejpbruel, see bug 71895
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# [16:43] <ejpbruel> mfinkle: in the long term, being able to keeps sandboxes in the background will solve most our use cases, but i guess what we really need in the end is some way to load a DOM in the background
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# [16:48] <Ms2ger> ddahl, ah, good... I was afraid you meant that implicit_jscontext had some weird side-effect
# [16:49] <ddahl> Ms2ger: naw, it was a build problem and I didn't think to remove it from the method signature
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# [16:49] <Ms2ger> That makes more sense :)
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# [16:50] <ted> bsmedberg-away: i'm really starting to think we should just put everything in the omnijar and write our own library loader on all platforms
# [16:50] <ted> so people can stop touching our libraries
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# [16:50] <bsmedberg> ted: do you think that's feasible?
# [16:50] <ted> (this is in re: bug 715086 for those of you playing along at home)
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# [16:50] <ted> bsmedberg: yes, but i don't know what the level of effort is
# [16:51] <bsmedberg> writing a loader on Windows sounds painful
# [16:51] <bsmedberg> but maybe there are library/relocation stubs that let you treat blocks of memory as PE?
# [16:51] <Ms2ger> s/a loader/anything/? :)
# [16:51] <catlee> android aurora nightly failed in upload symbols; I've kicked off a new one
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# [16:52] <bsmedberg> Ms2ger: I develop primarily on Windows and don't usually find it painful
# [16:53] <ted> http://www.joachim-bauch.de/tutorials/loading-a-dll-from-memory/
# [16:53] <ted> dunno
# [16:53] <ted> possible
# [16:53] <ted> but painful, sure
# [16:53] <ted> heh, they use it in py2exe
# [16:53] <bsmedberg> oh awesome
# [16:53] <khuey> ted: is the the one with the spanish department of industry?
# [16:53] <ted> khuey: yes
# [16:53] <khuey> yeah
# [16:54] <khuey> that bug is ridiculous
# [16:54] <ted> HEY WE WROTE SOME JAVA CODE TO LOAD A BUNCH OF YOUR LIBRARIES AND POKE AT YOUR INTERNAL DATA FILES AND NOW IT DOESN'T WORK
# [16:54] <bsmedberg> maybe we should go back to a fully static build and just make all of omnijar into a resource stub at the end of firefox.exe...
# [16:54] <ted> mwu wanted to do that
# [16:54] <ted> i think taras and glandium like the stub exe + DLL better though
# [16:54] <ted> because you can preload it
# [16:55] <bsmedberg> binary components would be completely screwed ;-)
# [16:55] <bsmedberg> preload...
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# [16:55] <bsmedberg> on Windows can't you preload firefox.exe?
# [16:55] <ted> but presumably we could concatenate the stub exe with everything else in an omnijar and it would work
# [16:55] <bsmedberg> I mean, you can LoadLibrary .exe files because they are PE
# [16:55] <ted> (if we wrote our own loader)
# [16:55] <khuey> so my first question would be what does this do to ASLR
# [16:55] <ted> yes, but what would you call to preload it?
# [16:55] <bsmedberg> LoadLibrary
# [16:56] <ted> bsmedberg: where would you call that from?
# [16:56] <ted> if firefox.exe is the thing that gets run
# [16:56] <bsmedberg> oh, I thought "preload" meant "keep it in memory from a system service"
# [16:56] <ted> ah
# [16:56] <ted> khuey: i dunno, i guess you'd have to implement ASLR yourself?
# [16:57] <bsmedberg> I'd have to test to see what Windows does with resource bits currently
# [16:57] <khuey> ted: yeah ... that's kind of annoying
# [16:57] <khuey> but it might be owrth it
# [16:57] <bsmedberg> but I think that Windows doesn't load resources automatically, so you could just scan/preload firefox.exe itself
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# [16:58] <bsmedberg> we'd have to figure out whether we want to share mapped resource space across processes
# [16:58] <ted> yeah :-/
# [16:58] <bsmedberg> with the webapp stuff I think that could be important
# [16:58] <ted> i forget if we do that properly on android
# [16:58] <ted> maybe?
# [16:59] <ted> anyway
# [16:59] <ted> it's a little bit out there
# [16:59] <ted> but there are so many stupid people in the world
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# [17:03] <NeilAway> ejpbruel: I think you can call nsIBaseWindow::Show to hide it
# [17:03] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: that sounds... contradictory
# [17:04] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: i dont assume that method is exposed to JS?
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# [17:07] <NeilAway> ejpbruel: well, there are apparently a number of steps, of which SetVisibility (not Show) is one
# [17:07] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: hmmm
# [17:07] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: is it ok if i get back to you on this later?
# [17:07] <NeilAway> ejpbruel: sure
# [17:07] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: currently discussing the issue with the addon-sdk team and we might take a different direction altogether
# [17:07] <jesup> ted: looked at that bug. Love this: "Maybe the problem is using this software." - duh!
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# [17:08] <NeilAway> ejpbruel: but look at nsMsgComposeService::ShowCachedComposeWindow (it actually works for any window)
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# [17:13] <@smaug> glob: seriously, using bzr for bugzilla o_O
# [17:13] <glob> smaug, i know. not my call
# [17:13] <Ms2ger> Also, it seems to end up in CVS still
# [17:13] <mfinkle> catlee, bear-afk: it does not look like Mobile Nightlies happened last night
# [17:14] <mfinkle> can we get a respin?
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# [17:14] <khuey> jfkthame: looks like you have a pretty serious Tsvg opacity regression
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# [17:16] <khuey> ehsan: quick rubber stamp on 709400?
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# [17:18] <jfkthame> khuey: that sounds..... surprising
# [17:18] <jfkthame> looking.......
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# [17:21] <bent> is DONTBUILD the magic keyword i want?
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# [17:21] <Ms2ger> No
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# [17:21] <philor> mfinkle: there's your respin
# [17:22] <catlee> mfinkle: I already did
# [17:22] <catlee> philor: ^^
# [17:22] <catlee> too late
# [17:22] <catlee> ted: lol
# [17:22] <mfinkle> catlee, thank you
# [17:22] <philor> ah, I knew you already did aurora, didn't know you'd done central
# [17:23] <catlee> ah, I didn't know central failed
# [17:23] <catlee> I only knew aurora failed because I was like HEY WHAR'S MY UPDATE!?!?!
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# [17:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a85767e77c0f - Ben Turner - Remove stray tabs from ril_worker.js. No bug, DONTBUILD.
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# [17:24] <mfinkle> catlee, yeah, m-c failed too
# [17:24] <jfkthame> khuey: well, that's bizarre. do you know what tsvg-opacity actually does?
# [17:25] <khuey> jfkthame: I don't have a clue
# [17:25] <khuey> I just read emails :-P
# [17:25] <mak> Ms2ger: so, are you marking bugs? (and thank you)
# [17:26] <Ms2ger> mak, I did some under the assumption that khuey would help along, but gave up :)
# [17:26] <khuey> well I tried 4 of them
# [17:26] <khuey> and you beat me to all of them
# [17:26] <khuey> so I gave up
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# [17:29] <mak> OK, I guess I will mark them :)
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# [17:29] <mak> apart the ones you were able to conflict on
# [17:30] <ehsan> khuey: r=me
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# [17:30] <mcpherrin> What do we in general do about 3rd party code versioning? Should I note the git commit number in a file in m-c or what?
# [17:30] <mcpherrin> I'm asking for leveldb.
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# [17:30] <bent> mcpherrin, see for example other-licenses/snappy/README
# [17:31] <bent> mcpherrin, or db/sqlite/README.mozilla
# [17:31] <mcpherrin> bent: OK, thanks.
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# [17:31] <khuey> ehsan: woo
# [17:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/65983b0e4a76 - Kyle Huey - Bug 709400: Make all methods on nsIInlineSpellChecker scriptable so that it can be overriden from JS. r=ehsan
# [17:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b0e65467c4c8 - Kyle Huey - Bug 715113: Update Snappy to r56. r=bent
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# [17:37] <Waldo> mcpherrin: not being familiar with those, you should consider the update.sh strategy too
# [17:37] <Waldo> which libvpx and various others use
# [17:37] <Waldo> dunno if snappy or sqlite use it
# [17:37] * Mitch should dare mwu to use Snappy inside the omnijar
# [17:37] <Waldo> sqlite probably not, I thought we never changed it
# [17:38] <bent> Waldo, we change it pretty regularly
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# [17:39] <Waldo> we change it in mozilla-central, not by updating it? news to me
# [17:39] <bent> maybe i'm confused
# [17:39] <bent> you mean patch locally?
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# [17:40] <bent> we almost never do that
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# [17:40] <bent> we just update
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# [17:41] <Waldo> that's what I thought :-)
# [17:41] <Waldo> the update.sh thing I'm talking about is like http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/media/libvpx/update.sh
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# [17:41] <Waldo> import clean
# [17:41] <Waldo> then use a script to apply a list of patches
# [17:42] <Waldo> script and list and patches being in m-c
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# [17:53] <Waldo> khuey: the earliest msvc we care about is 2005, right?
# [17:53] <khuey> right
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# [17:58] <Waldo> as far as I can remember, everybody who commented in mozilla/Assertions.h wanted to argue about reinventing stuff, or assertions being fatal, or other things -- and nobody commented on making MOZ_ASSERT take an optional reason string
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# [17:58] <Ms2ger> Waldo, I want one
# [17:58] <Mitch> do it
# [17:58] <Ms2ger> Because MOZ_ASSERT(foo && "msg") is ugly
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# [17:59] <Waldo> if we make one, and make the reason optional, that means flat-out dropping support for compilers not supporting varargs
# [17:59] <Ms2ger> (https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3c970a5c173c#l1.180)
# [17:59] <Ms2ger> wfm
# [17:59] <khuey> why can't you add comments?
# [17:59] <Ms2ger> edmorley++
# [18:00] <Waldo> khuey: not that comments don't work, but comments wouldn't get printed out in debug builds (i.e. in tinderbox logs) when the failure happens
# [18:00] <bent> but it will print what failed and the stack...
# [18:00] <khuey> and a line number
# [18:01] <khuey> and then you look at the code and read the comment
# [18:01] <Waldo> you'd still have to look up the file/line and see the comment, versus not having to
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# [18:01] <bent> i'm sick of writing "NS_ASSERTION(foo, 'foo is not supposed to be null!')"
# [18:01] <khuey> srsly
# [18:01] <Ms2ger> ^
# [18:01] <Waldo> bent: I'm suggesting the message be optional
# [18:01] <khuey> or NS_ASSERTION(NS_IsMainThread(), "you should know what's wrong here");
# [18:01] <bent> oh, i thought you were talking about making it required
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# [18:02] <Ms2ger> Hence, varargs
# [18:02] <Waldo> so you could have MOZ_ASSERT(foo != NULL) and MOZ_ASSERT(complexThing(), "...")
# [18:02] <Waldo> heh
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# [18:02] <bent> does everything support varargs now?
# [18:02] <Waldo> I don't know the extent of compilers that don't implement varargs, beyond msvc
# [18:02] <Waldo> msvc 2005 does
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# [18:02] <Ms2ger> Also, don't do this: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/src/XPCWrappedNative.cpp#2985
# [18:02] <Mitch> Deprecate bugs.
# [18:02] <Waldo> I assume gcc's supported it practically forever, or forever enough
# [18:02] <jcranmer> the JS engine uses var args
# [18:03] <Yoric> Waldo: there are still compilers that do not implement varargs?
# [18:03] <Waldo> jcranmer: mandatorily?
# [18:03] <jcranmer> Waldo: I don't recall
# [18:03] <Waldo> Yoric: I don't think so, but I don't really know
# [18:03] <Yoric> ok
# [18:03] <bent> well, this is macro varargs right?
# [18:03] <Waldo> yes
# [18:03] <jcranmer> something in the JIT, I think
# [18:03] <bent> not the other kind
# [18:03] <jcranmer> so "in theory, no; in practice, ye"
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# [18:05] <Mitch> Make nsISupports MOZ_FINAL and we can all take a break.
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# [18:06] * Waldo just looked at the methodjit files, and nothing uses __VA_ARGS__
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# [18:08] <Waldo> well, I guess http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/base/FunctionTimer.h#88 says we already require varargs support
# [18:09] <Waldo> well, maybe
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# [18:12] <Waldo> no, those are guarded uses
# [18:12] <AutomatedTester> taras: hey, i am looking at something and it looks like you changed the telemtry prompt from a bool to an int, was just curious why this was changed that way? done in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688223
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# [18:12] <Waldo> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/ipc/glue/RPCChannel.cpp#49 is an unguarded use, looks like
# [18:12] <AutomatedTester> trying to support multiple version of Firefox in a testing framework and this change is making things awkward for some users :)
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# [18:16] <evilpie> "[good second bug]" is new to me
# [18:17] <Waldo> heh
# [18:17] <catlee> is there a [good third bug]?
# [18:17] <jhammel> evilpie: you won't like "[good hundred and twenty first bug]" then
# [18:17] <catlee> how high does it go?
# [18:18] <jhammel> catlee: MAX_INT
# [18:18] <Ms2ger> jhammel, hey, that seems to be a good bug for me! Link?
# [18:18] <mrbkap> [good thousandth bug]?
# [18:18] <jcranmer> [good last bug]
# [18:18] <Wes--> lol
# [18:18] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, sounds like XPConnect
# [18:18] <jhammel> Ms2ger: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710484
# [18:18] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: :(
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# [18:19] <jcranmer> Ms2ger: I was actually thinking of any bug that involves editor
# [18:19] <jhammel> jcranmer: someone should totally do that when a Mozillian is leaving
# [18:19] <lgvalent> How do retrieve a postData sent with OpenUILink() on an opened window?
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# [18:19] <Ms2ger> Daily editor jibe: check
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# [18:25] <mbrubeck> mak++ for keeping up with inbound merging
# [18:26] <mak> mbrubeck: there were some large landings :)
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# [18:30] <Ms2ger> smaug, your d.svg is hanging my Firefox :/
# [18:30] <jhammel> Ms2ger: were'nt you just looking for bugs? ;)
# [18:31] <Ms2ger> Found one!
# [18:31] * Ms2ger points at jhammel
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# [18:31] <jhammel> well, i do identify with Kafka's Metamorphosis
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# [18:32] <jwir3> jhammel++
# [18:32] <jwir3> ;)
# [18:32] <jhammel> as well as Home Movies apocryphal rock opera about Franz Kafka's life
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# [18:32] <mbrubeck> One morning, as Gregor Samsa was waking up from anxious dreams, he discovered that Tsvg had regressed 3.5% on Windows XP.
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# [18:33] <jhammel> mbrubeck++
# [18:33] <Waldo> mbrubeck++
# [18:33] <jwir3> mbrubeck++
# [18:33] <Waldo> jhammel++
# [18:33] <Waldo> as well
# [18:33] <jhammel> a far worse fate
# [18:33] <jwir3> indeed
# [18:33] <Waldo> tinderbox is certainly kafkaesque
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# [18:36] <@smaug> Ms2ger: really?
# [18:36] <@smaug> well, it is not exactly a small svg file
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# [18:37] <@smaug> Ms2ger: I did decrease the test size
# [18:38] <@smaug> Ms2ger: originally it was creating 2m nodes
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# [18:38] <Ms2ger> Nice
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# [18:41] <Bas> mbrubeck: Wait, you're saying Tsvg regressed?
# [18:42] <khuey> yes
# [18:42] <mbrubeck> hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/43f76a005188 got the auto-blame
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# [18:43] <mbrubeck> argh, bug 668019 strikes again... need to upgrade this computer from Fx8 to get the fix.
# [18:43] <jwatt> Bas, khuey, mbrubeck: Tsvg regression is known
# [18:43] <@smaug> ehsan: have you tried running FF without ABP
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# [18:43] <Bas> khuey mbrubeck: Hrm, alright, I was a little concerned the Azure-Thebes wrapper was to blame.
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# [18:43] <Bas> jwatt: Phew.
# [18:43] <jwatt> jfkthame is going to fix it in the next few days or so
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# [18:44] <jwatt> is there somewhere we can flag that?
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# [18:44] <mbrubeck> jwatt: File a bug (if not already filed) and post to the dev.tree-management thread
# [18:45] <jwatt> jfkthame: ^^^ can you do that - I'm in a telcon now
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# [18:45] <jfkthame> i posted a note to dev.tree-management already
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# [18:47] <camd> bz: hi, this is Cameron
# [18:47] <jwatt> cool, thanks
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# [18:49] <jfkthame> Bas: wait, you were referring to the SVG regression on XP reported yesterday?
# [18:50] <Bas> jfkthame: Oh, it was reported yesterday already? Now I'm even less worried :)
# [18:50] <@bz> camd: hey
# [18:50] <Bas> I'm just a little bit on edge when it comes to Talos regressions right now :) As I introduced a (well-predicted) conditional branch to every graphics operation we do yesterday :)
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# [18:52] <jfkthame> Bas: hmm, it was reported for inbound yesterday, and for firefox today - so that might be relevant to you?
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# [18:53] <camd> bz: so what's the best way for me to help you?
# [18:53] <@bz> camd: good question
# [18:53] <Bas> jfkthame: My patches landed on m-c 0800 PST so I doubt they made the nightly
# [18:53] <@bz> camd: what's the goal here?
# [18:53] <Bas> jfkthame: Oh, you mean m-c.
# [18:53] <@bz> camd: Are we still trying to find when things regressed?
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# [18:53] <@bz> camd: or something else?
# [18:53] <Bas> jfkthame: So only 2 hours ago, I doubt it's me then.
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# [18:54] <camd> bz: I actually just got thrown into this. So I'm pretty green. I guess we might need to know: 1. how to repro, 2. when regression happened
# [18:55] <camd> do we have an acceptable repro case that tells you what you need to know?
# [18:55] <camd> or is it still too nebulous?
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# [18:55] <@bz> camd: well, my repro case is "browse for 4-5 days"
# [18:55] <camd> er… I guess i should ask: are you the dev who will be fixing this?
# [18:56] <@bz> camd: I can send you the sessionstore file involved if you don't have it already
# [18:56] <@bz> camd: I'm probably not involved in fixing this
# [18:56] <@bz> camd: igor, mccr8, smaug are more likely
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# [18:56] <camd> oh ok.
# [18:56] <@bz> camd: I'm just the guy who complained. ;)
# [18:56] <camd> I think I got the sessionstore file from ashughes
# [18:56] <camd> ahh, gotcha… :)
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# [18:58] <@bz> camd: ok, that's the relevant sessionstore file
# [18:58] <@bz> camd: so things that would be useful....
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# [18:58] <camd> well, perhaps I can chat with smaug, igor and mccr8. but it sounds like we need a faster way to repro.
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# [18:58] <@bz> camd: 1) Running that sessionstore file in the Oct 6, 7, and 8 nightlies for a few days and comparing the gc/cc times and frequencies
# [18:59] <@bz> camd: yeah, having a faster way to reproduce the problem would be really nice
# [18:59] <@bz> camd: sorry this is all so nebulous. :(
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# [19:00] <camd> bz: oh no worries. :)
# [19:00] <camd> this is "one of the ugly ones" for sure...
# [19:00] <camd> but mem/gc stuff seems like it usually is....
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# [19:01] <camd> but thanks for your direction. I'll probably bug you later at some point.
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# [19:02] <@bz> camd: ok, sounds good
# [19:02] <@bz> dzbarsky: you're awake!
# [19:02] <alex_mayorga> Sorry to divert you all from your much appreciated work, just wanted to confirm if chrome hang bugs like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714339 are worth filing
# [19:02] <camd> bz: before I let you go, do you have any inkling of what kind of objects might be causing the problem?
# [19:02] <@bz> camd: nope. :(
# [19:02] <dzbarsky> bz: why do you seem so surprised?
# [19:03] <@bz> dzbarsky: it's only 1. ;)
# [19:03] <camd> if I could make a JS page that creates and deletes some kind of object, that might help. Perhaps something will become obvious at some point… :)
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# [19:03] <@bz> camd: if we had an idea of what the relevant access patterns are, that would help a lot. :(
# [19:03] <Ms2ger> Oh, hi Zbarsky & Zbarsky
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# [19:04] <@bz> camd: perhaps one thing worth trying if you have lots of machines is finding a smaller subset of the tabs from the session that still shows the problem?
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# [19:04] <@smaug> camd: ?
# [19:04] <camd> bz: yeah, i'll see if I can narrow it down a bit. thanks!
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# [19:05] <camd> hi smaug: bmoss asked me to try to spend some cycles tracking down the GC issue.
# [19:05] <@bz> smaug: camd is supposed to help out the cc/gc witchhunt from the qa end
# [19:05] <@smaug> GC or CC issue?
# [19:05] <@smaug> ah
# [19:05] <@smaug> yeas
# [19:05] <@smaug> yes
# [19:05] <@smaug> if someone could find the regression range
# [19:05] <@bz> (or ranges)
# [19:05] <@smaug> right
# [19:06] <@smaug> I wonder if something has changed in FF chrome which keeps nodes alive
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# [19:07] <camd> smaug: one thing I'm not totally clear on is when I can say I've "reproduced" it.
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# [19:07] <camd> is it a subjective slowness?
# [19:07] <camd> or a gc timing threshold?
# [19:07] <@smaug> GC or CC
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# [19:07] <@smaug> I don't know about GC
# [19:07] <@smaug> camd: some significant slow down
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# [19:08] <camd> smaug: ok, so more just a sluggishness feel with, I think scrolling was what some people said, right?
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# [19:08] <@smaug> I think I've seen the CC problem twice
# [19:08] <camd> that's ONE symptom anyway
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# [19:08] <@smaug> camd: I'd look at the CC and GC times
# [19:08] <evilpie> dholbert: ping
# [19:08] <@smaug> in the error console
# [19:09] <@smaug> camd: I assume you have enabled the pref to get CC/GC timing
# [19:09] <camd> smaug: yeah.
# [19:09] <camd> when I watch those...
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# [19:09] <camd> I often see them go up, then back down
# [19:09] <camd> up to maybe 500ms sometimes...
# [19:09] <camd> this is not with the other profile, just with my own profile, screwing around.
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# [19:10] <@smaug> camd: can you reproduce similar times with FF9 ?
# [19:10] <camd> but we're talking about it getting to a state where it gets that high, and stays there, right?
# [19:10] <camd> smaug: I have only been using 10 so far.
# [19:10] <camd> but I'll try 9.
# [19:10] <@smaug> since I think the regression happened sometime in October
# [19:10] <@smaug> so, it would be in FF10 only
# [19:12] <camd> smaug: ok.
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# [19:13] <camd> smaug: let me start by doing some leg work and seeing if I can get the regression range for you.
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# [19:13] <camd> or at least ONE regression range...
# [19:13] <camd> henrik has made an add-on that will hopefully make watching the error console easier for CC/GCs
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# [19:20] <taras> hurley: coming to snappy meeting @11 today?
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# [19:21] <@bz> camd: from my user point of view you reproduce it when trying to type a bug comment involves at least 4 pauses of over a second each.
# [19:21] <camd> bz: ok, cool. thanks. I'll use that as my criteria.
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# [19:24] <hurley> taras: yep
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# [19:27] <@smaug> could it be something related to table elements... I've seen CC logs few times where table is keeping some large graph alive and there is 1 unknown edge to the table element...
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# [19:28] <taras> mcmanus: i'm 90% sure i filed a bug on requesting stuff from disk cache/network simulatiniously
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# [19:28] <taras> but i cant find it
# [19:29] <taras> mcmanus: i know we discussed it with you, can you recall if we filed this?
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# [19:29] <@bz> smaug: ping?
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# [19:30] <@smaug> bz: pong
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# [19:30] <@smaug> (table is suspicious. it has NS_DECL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_CLASS_INHERITED_NO_UNLINK)
# [19:30] <@bz> smaug: did you have test builds you wanted me to try?
# [19:30] <@bz> smaug: I'm about to restart browser, so could run one of those for a bit
# [19:30] <@smaug> bz: you could try http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/opettay@mozilla.com-8c95a40331c2/
# [19:31] <@bz> smaug: thanks
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# [19:31] <@bz> oh, hrm
# [19:31] <bent> is it weird that i really want a nightly update just to see the maintenance service in action?
# [19:31] <@bz> ah, might be ok
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# [19:32] <edmorley> bent: ha, was thinking the same just now :-)
# [19:32] <Ms2ger> edmorley++
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# [19:33] <Ms2ger> Finally removing gk2 interfaces in gk12, arewefastyet?
# [19:33] <jlebar> sigh, slashdot. We haven't decided on ESR yet, have we?
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# [19:34] <Ms2ger> jlebar, well, we do our best to make it sound like we have
# [19:34] <jlebar> If by "we" you mean "some of us"...
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# [19:37] <edmorley> jlebar: yesterday's meeting notes on the wiki made it sound like a done deal
# [19:37] <Ms2ger> Yeah
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# [19:38] <Ms2ger> Sounded like a done deal in newsgroups earlier too
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# [19:40] <@smaug> ohhh
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# [19:40] <@smaug> have I found a leak
# [19:40] <@smaug> traversing but not unlinking is bad
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# [19:43] <dholbert> evilpie, semi-pong
# [19:43] <evilpie> dholbert: i think i am hitting http://askubuntu.com/questions/20015/firefox-application-associations-not-working but i can't fix it
# [19:43] <evilpie> but when i use a debug build with the same profile it works
# [19:45] <dholbert> odd
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# [19:46] <dholbert> evilpie, does your debug build have --enable-gio or something?
# [19:46] <evilpie> unless this is default, no
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# [19:47] <dholbert> don't think it is default yet.
# [19:47] <dholbert> hm
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# [19:49] <dholbert> evilpie, don't think I can help, sorry :-/ my post there is about the extent of my knowledge on this
# [19:50] <evilpie> okay
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# [19:55] <lmandel> taras: I'm out this week and next. Can you run Snappy? (Sorry. Meant to get in touch earlier.)
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# [19:57] <lmandel> taras: agenda is all set.
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# [19:57] <Ms2ger> bz++
# [19:57] <bsmedberg> khuey/ted: what do either of you know about libalerts_s.dylib?
# [19:57] <ehsan> smaug: no, do you want me to try?
# [19:58] <bsmedberg> apart from the obviously funky name...
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# [19:58] <bsmedberg> I see both toolkit/components/alerts and toolkit/components/alerts/mac seemingly trying to build that lib
# [19:58] <@smaug> ehsan: well, there is some abp stuff all the time in the cc logs...
# [19:58] <bsmedberg> at least according to LIBRARY_NAME in the makefiles...
# [19:58] <@bz> Ms2ger: which?
# [19:58] <Ms2ger> The forums thread
# [19:58] <ehsan> catlee: I don't get updates yet
# [19:58] <@bz> Ms2ger: first post or second post?
# [19:58] <ehsan> smaug: ok, I can try it
# [19:59] <@smaug> bz: ping
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# [19:59] <@bz> smaug: ack
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# [19:59] <@bz> what's a good way to get from CDG to downtownish Paris?
# [19:59] <Ms2ger> I only see one
# [19:59] <@bz> Ms2ger: just wait till the second one
# [19:59] <@bz> Ms2ger: the first one was all lighthearted and stuff
# [19:59] <bent> bz, wait for the driver to pick you up!
# [19:59] <@bz> bent: heh
# [19:59] <@smaug> bz: when nodelist has this new JS thing alive (proxy), does it keep nodelist alive
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# [20:00] <@bz> bent: I know
# [20:00] <@bz> bent: but good point
# [20:00] <@smaug> bz: and when the js thing dies, where does it release the C++ object
# [20:00] <@bz> bent: I guess I should check with jst?
# [20:00] <taras> lmandel: yes
# [20:00] <taras> that was my assumption
# [20:00] <Ms2ger> rer?
# [20:00] <taras> lmandel: congrats
# [20:00] <lmandel> taras: Thanks!
# [20:00] <bent> probably!
# [20:00] <@bz> smaug: let me double-check to make sure I don't lie to you
# [20:00] <Ms2ger> To Châtelet
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# [20:01] <@bz> smaug: so the JS object finalizer calls NS_RELEAST
# [20:01] <@bz> er, NS_RELEASE
# [20:01] <@bz> smaug: see ListBase<LC>::Finalize in dombindings.cpp
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# [20:02] <@bz> smaug: ListBase<LC>::create has the corresponding addref
# [20:02] <@bz> smaug: er, ListBase<LC>::finalize
# [20:02] <@bz> smaug: I _assume_ it tells cc about that edge somewhere
# [20:02] <@bz> smaug: but I'm not sure where
# [20:02] <@bz> smaug: peterv might know
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# [20:03] <@bz> Ms2ger: perfect, thanks
# [20:03] <Ms2ger> Np
# [20:03] <ted> bsmedberg: IIRC, that exists so that we can link to growl and fail gracefully if it doesn't exist
# [20:03] <@smaug> bz: ok, thanks
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# [20:04] <Ms2ger> bz, oh, I just got that guy's reply to your first email... I can see why you'd reply to that :)
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# [20:04] <@bz> Ms2ger: I haven't responded to that yet
# [20:04] <@bz> Ms2ger: I replied to something earlier
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# [20:05] <Ms2ger> Oh
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# [20:05] <Ms2ger> Aha
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# [20:08] <@bz> Ms2ger: I did also reply to some other things since then
# [20:08] <@bz> M
# [20:09] <@bz> Ms2ger: glad you're entertained. ;)
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# [20:09] <Ms2ger> I liked them when I was 10
# [20:09] <@bz> esp. when the argument for using them seems to boil down to some combination of "gmail sucks" and "I can't use gmail"
# [20:09] <@bz> ("can't" in the "don't know how to" sense, not "can't" as in "don't have access to"
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# [20:15] <@bz> smaug: ping
# [20:16] <@bz> smaug: so the nodelist stores the list in its proxyprivate slot
# [20:16] <@bz> smaug: dunno whether we traverse those elsewhere
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# [20:17] <@smaug> I'm just trying to figure out where do we traverse that edge
# [20:17] <@smaug> peterv: ping
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# [20:18] <khuey> bsmedberg: never heard of it
# [20:18] <@bz> smaug: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/src/nsXPConnect.cpp#958
# [20:18] <@bz> smaug: right there
# [20:18] <@bz> smaug: I hope!
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# [20:20] <AryehGregor> I get this crash when running a large, complicated JS file:
# [20:20] <AryehGregor> (gdb) bt
# [20:20] <AryehGregor> #0 defaultValue (vp=0xaeafe638, cx=0xa95710c0, this=0xf5c28f5c, hint=<optimized out>)
# [20:20] <AryehGregor> at /build/buildd/firefox-trunk-12.0~a1~hg20120103r83671/build-tree/mozilla/js/src/jsobjinlines.h:125
# [20:20] <AryehGregor> #1 ToPrimitive (vp=0xaeafe638, preferredType=JSTYPE_NUMBER, cx=0xa95710c0)
# [20:20] <AryehGregor> at /build/buildd/firefox-trunk-12.0~a1~hg20120103r83671/build-tree/mozilla/js/src/jsobjinlines.h:1443
# [20:20] <AryehGregor> #2 js::mjit::stubs::GreaterThan (f=...)
# [20:20] <AryehGregor> at /build/buildd/firefox-trunk-12.0~a1~hg20120103r83671/build-tree/mozilla/js/src/methodjit/StubCalls.cpp:814
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# [20:20] <AryehGregor> #4 0xb77a0c48 in ?? () from /usr/lib/firefox-trunk-12.0a1/libxul.so
# [20:20] <AryehGregor> Backtrace stopped: previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)
# [20:20] <Ms2ger> pastebin.mozilla.org, please :)
# [20:20] <@smaug> AryehGregor: and #jsapi
# [20:21] <jorendorff> AryehGregor: please join #jsapi, i'll be happy to chat with you about this
# [20:21] <AryehGregor> Okay.
# [20:21] <catlee> ehsan: so something happened with the 64-bit linux biuld
# [20:21] <catlee> but the 32-bit linux build does update
# [20:22] <ehsan> hmm
# [20:22] <ehsan> catlee: should I try the 32-bit build?
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# [21:02] <bsmedberg> I hate it when I thought I submitted a large bug comment and I look at the bug later and it's not there... :-(
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# [21:05] <ddahl> bsmedberg: i dream about a persistent cache of all the textarea data you type that stays around for maybe a few days then is excised
# [21:06] <ddahl> there must be a bug for that
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# [21:06] <ddahl> is there a channel where valgrind usage is discussed?
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# [21:17] <khuey> how do I force hg backout to backout stuff if I have existing changes?
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# [21:20] <jdm> bsmedberg: your second paragraph was cut off in your last comment in bug 294260
# [21:21] <anant> khuey: ping
# [21:21] <khuey> anant: pong
# [21:22] <anant> khuey: hey, just saw the bug you filed about leaks in the OWA add-on. wondering if you have some time to walk me through what the log is and how to interpret it :)
# [21:22] <catlee> bz: do we still need shark builds?
# [21:23] <anant> I can spend some time trying to find out where the leaks come from, but I don't fully understand how the log you posted can help me do that.
# [21:23] <khuey> anant: the log is a listing of all the objects that we're leaking
# [21:23] <khuey> anant: the interesting part is probably the 4 nsGlobalWindow objects
# [21:23] <khuey> anant: that means we're leaking some Window objects
# [21:24] <anant> oh wow, we are leaking 913 objects? that seems like a lot. is the ideal number 0, or do we always see some entries in practice?
# [21:24] <@bz> catlee: well
# [21:24] <@bz> catlee: define "need"?
# [21:24] <khuey> anant: 0, yes
# [21:24] <Ms2ger> anant, well, Windows would tend to keep a lot alive
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# [21:24] <khuey> anant: fwiw, if we see any leaks during our unit test runs on tinderbox, we back out the patch that caused them
# [21:24] <NeilAway> ddahl: there's an extension for that
# [21:24] <Ms2ger> (Unless that leak is intermittent)
# [21:25] <khuey> yeah
# [21:25] <khuey> that's another can of worms
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# [21:25] <anant> khuey: hmm, I wonder if Jetpack might be causing some of this. are there instructions somewhere on how to generate a log like you did for any add-on? I'd like to do a run for a simple Jetpack add-ons to see if there is anything common
# [21:25] <NeilAway> khuey: backing out when you have local changes makes no sense. what are you trying to do?
# [21:25] <@bz> catlee: we don't really have a replacement, right?
# [21:25] <khuey> anant: so the 913 isn't interesting
# [21:26] <khuey> anant: each object type gets a number, the 913 is just the number assigned to the last type of object
# [21:26] <khuey> that we leaked
# [21:26] <khuey> anant: the total number of objects leaked is on the first line (25399)
# [21:26] <khuey> NeilAway: back out multiple non-consecutive csets in one cset
# [21:26] <khuey> maybe that is just a nonsensical thing to do
# [21:26] <anant> ah, I see. so it's even worse :-)
# [21:27] <khuey> anant: well, as Ms2ger said, once you leak a window you leak everything
# [21:27] <NeilAway> khuey: qfold?
# [21:27] <anant> I'm sure I'll show my ignorance here, but from a JS context what are the common ways in which a window can be "leaked"?
# [21:27] <catlee> bz: I don't know...does ehsan's branch satisfy your requirement?
# [21:28] <khuey> anant: and no, I haven't tested jetpack itself
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# [21:28] <ehsan> bz: fwiw, if you can verify that --enable-shark doesn't break anything, I'd be happy to add it to profiling
# [21:28] <anant> I'm able to wrap my head around leaks in C++, but leaks in JS… well we never really "free" anything from JavaScript and hope the GC comes around to get it.
# [21:29] <khuey> anant: the way you probably want to attack this is to talk to mccr8 who can show you how to get gc/etc dumps
# [21:29] <@bz> ehsan: well....
# [21:29] <@bz> ehsan: the main difference is that it adds two properties to the global
# [21:29] <khuey> anant: and he has tools where you can say "why is this object still alive" and it'll show you the path
# [21:29] <@bz> ehsan: (well, maybe 6 properties)
# [21:29] <@bz> ehsan: they have names that are somewhat unlikely to collide with websites....
# [21:29] <khuey> anant: not sure if he's on vacation this week
# [21:29] <@bz> ehsan: but not guaranteed of course
# [21:29] <ehsan> bz: sure, but I mean, has _anybody_ been testing --enable-shark these days?
# [21:29] <anant> khuey: awesome. that's a good starting point. thanks (Ms2ger too!)
# [21:30] <Ms2ger> Np
# [21:30] <anant> ah, perhaps I will send him an email then
# [21:30] <@bz> ehsan: all my local opt builds use it
# [21:30] <@bz> ehsan: the ones I do profiling with
# [21:30] <ehsan> bz: that's good enough for me, submit a patch? :)
# [21:30] <@bz> ehsan: submit a patch to what to where? ;)
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# [21:30] <@bz> catlee: not quite, but it looks like soon it will
# [21:30] <ehsan> bz: to the mozconfig
# [21:30] <ehsan> bz: nm
# [21:30] <ehsan> I can do it myself
# [21:30] <khuey> anant: I'm a lot more familiar with debugging leaks in pages
# [21:31] <@bz> catlee: and yeah, at that point we can kill the shark builds
# [21:31] <@bz> ehsan: thanks
# [21:31] <khuey> once you toss in chrome everything gets crazy
# [21:31] <ehsan> is it just --enable-shark?
# [21:31] <ehsan> for mac and mac64?
# [21:31] <mccr8> khuey: I'm back as of today
# [21:31] <ehsan> bz: ^
# [21:31] <@bz> ehsan: yep
# [21:31] <khuey> anant: ^
# [21:31] <ehsan> good
# [21:31] <mccr8> anant: have you looked at the page on zombie compartments in addons? that has a list of common errors that cause leaks.
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# [21:32] <khuey> mccr8: he's leaking past shutdown
# [21:32] <khuey> do those normally cause leaks that last that long?
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# [21:32] <mccr8> khuey: hmm, I would think no.
# [21:32] <anant> mccr8: hi! no I haven't, if you mean this one (https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Zombie_compartments) I am going through it right now
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# [21:32] <mccr8> khuey: what is the bug number?
# [21:32] <khuey> mccr8: 715382
# [21:33] <mccr8> thanks
# [21:33] <NeilAway> khuey: which product does pymake live in?
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# [21:33] <mccr8> an addon causing a shutdown leak is impressive. ;)
# [21:33] <NeilAway> ehsan: speaking of patches...
# [21:34] <khuey> NeilAway: Core::Build Config
# [21:34] <khuey> mccr8: yeah that's what I thought too ;-)
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# [21:34] <KWierso> "Firefox: Our addons can do anything!"
# [21:34] <mccr8> Though maybe it is using new-ish stuff landed in Gecko for web apps that hasn't been thoroughly exercised.
# [21:35] <@bz> smaug: ping
# [21:35] <Ms2ger> KWierso, (* Unless on mobile)
# [21:36] <ehsan> NeilAway: ?
# [21:36] <khuey> mccr8: it's also leaking 4 nsGlobalChromeWindows
# [21:36] <khuey> which seems crazy
# [21:36] <anant> mccr8: the add-on is fully independent of anything that was landed in Gecko (with the exception of the new way of injecting properties into navigator). in fact, the add-on doesn't even work in nightly because of the conflicts with the webapps work that landed in Gecko :)
# [21:36] <khuey> since I just started up and shutdown the browser
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# [21:37] <mccr8> weird
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# [21:37] <mccr8> well, the first step is probably to log all CCs, then analyze the shutdown logs to see why the leaking stuff is alive.
# [21:38] <mccr8> which requires a recompile right now.
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# [21:40] <NeilAway> ehsan: I updated the patch on bug 714164
# [21:40] <ehsan> ok
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# [21:41] <@bz> hrm
# [21:41] <ehsan> NeilAway: r=me
# [21:41] <ehsan> bz: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Profiling&rev=4e08bb648d27
# [21:42] <@bz> ehsan: awesome
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# [21:42] <anant> mccr8: is the procedure for logging CCs documented somewhere?
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# [21:42] <anant> is it just a mozconfig switch?
# [21:43] <mccr8> anant: no, you have to set gAlwaysLogCCGraphs to true in xpcom/base/nsCycleCollector.cpp
# [21:43] * khuey was so close to an all green push
# [21:44] <anant> mccr8: ah, thanks. i'll do a recompile this afternoon and see if I can get some more info
# [21:44] <jhammel> khuey: they say every time a push is green, a Firefox gets its wings (whatever that means)
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# [21:44] <mccr8> anant: great, let me know when you get that done and I'll give you help interpreting the results.
# [21:44] <Ms2ger> jhammel, and all the other times, AOL kills a kitten?
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# [21:45] <jhammel> Ms2ger: every time you log on to AOL they kill a kitten (read the TOS)
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# [21:46] <@bz> jhammel: catapults
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# [21:46] <jhammel> bz: nice :)
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# [21:52] <jhammink> cpeterson: ping
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# [21:53] <jhammink> hi - first off - sorry for being so blunt yesterday; was caught in the middle of something very tricky
# [21:53] <jhammink> also, I'm getting a crash again (seems to be different issue, perhaps) on both your fennec build and nightly on that ASUS transformer
# [21:54] <jhammink> as I'm looking into that further
# [21:54] <cpeterson> no worries! I totally understand. <:)
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# [21:55] <jhammink> thanks :) I'll try to isolate these fennec crashes
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# [21:55] <roc> mats: ok, bug 524925 is reviewed if you remove the hashtable optimization :-)
# [21:55] <jhammink> right now it's just crashy, crashing all over inconsistently
# [21:55] <dzbarsky> peterv: ping?
# [21:56] <jhammink> I hope to have some more meaningful data for you soon
# [21:56] <cpeterson> jhammink: you don't need to further isolate the crashes (if the logcat error looks the same).
# [21:56] <roc> mats: I guess the test assertion situation in bug 665597 still needs to be fixed
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# [21:56] <jhammink> ahh, ok. BTW - do you happen to have that bug number handy?
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# [21:57] <cpeterson> I have a small workaround fix for the crash, but I'd like to borrow your ASUS for the day when I'm in MTV next Wednesday to debug the root cause. bug 712791
# [21:57] <jhammink> sure, please do so :)
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# [21:57] <jhammink> thanks!
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# [22:00] <cpeterson> question about patch review process: If a patch has been r+'d in Bugzilla, but I need to get r+ again if I must "hg qrefresh" my patch to rebase it (without any functional changes) on a newer snapshot of mozilla-inbound?
# [22:00] <Ms2ger> cpearce, no
# [22:00] <Ms2ger> Er
# [22:00] <Ms2ger> cpeterson, no
# [22:01] <Ms2ger> cpearce, nvm
# [22:01] <cpearce> ;)
# [22:01] <Ms2ger> cpeterson, unless the patch needs significant changes, but simple rebasing is fine
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# [22:01] <cpeterson> thanks.
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# [22:04] <mats> roc: ok, thanks!
# [22:04] <mats> roc: yes, I'm investigating the nature of the assertions...
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# [22:14] <Mossop> sheppy: ping
# [22:14] <sheppy> Mossop: pong (says Sheppy, expecting he knows why he's getting pinged)
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# [22:15] <Mossop> sheppy: Exciting red messages over MDC!
# [22:15] <sheppy> Mossop: yep, I was right
# [22:15] <Callek> they look maroon to me
# [22:15] <sheppy> We have a bug open on that and are trying to get MindTouch to decode some log entries.
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# [22:15] <Mossop> cool
# [22:16] <darktrojan> "firefox's versioning system is still non-intuitive"
# [22:16] <sheppy> Not really, but we're on it as best we can be as we wait around on MindTouch. :)
# [22:16] <darktrojan> to people who never learnt to count
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# [22:17] <khuey> darktrojan: we're past the number of fingers people have
# [22:17] <khuey> darktrojan: not surprising that some would find it difficult
# [22:17] <darktrojan> ohhh
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# [22:18] <darktrojan> someone should point out they have toes too
# [22:18] <edmorley> darktrojan: where?
# [22:18] <darktrojan> on the end of their feet
# [22:18] <darktrojan> :P
# [22:18] <darktrojan> but ITYM on /.
# [22:18] <sheppy> We've hit Firefox 10 beta now though… in a few weeks, those folks are screwed.
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# [22:19] <@bz> ok
# [22:20] <@bz> so the /. story is crap
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# [22:20] <@bz> but when _do_ we push another update to 3.6?
# [22:20] <darktrojan> yes
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# [22:20] <@bz> there was talk of us doing it as we pushed 8
# [22:20] <@bz> then as we pushed 9
# [22:20] <@bz> then .... crickets
# [22:20] <darktrojan> maybe we fixed all the bugs :|
# [22:21] <derf> bz: There was talk of us doing it as we pushed 7, but then the sync thing happened.
# [22:21] <sheppy> darktrojan: not if we're hearing crickets, we didn't
# [22:21] <darktrojan> oh yeah
# [22:23] <Unfocused> darktrojan: it only took 5 months, but you finally have ui-review on bug 664897. it's bitrotten though, i only did a quick patch-up job to get those try builds
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# [22:24] <darktrojan> I saw that
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# [22:24] <darktrojan> might get on to it today
# [22:24] <Unfocused> cool :)
# [22:24] <darktrojan> then that's one more patch off my list
# [22:24] <darktrojan> doesn't compare to the 19 months for 246620 though :)
# [22:25] <Unfocused> and feel tree to throw tomatoes in #ux
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# [22:25] <Callek> Unfocused: after 5 months, those tomatoes are rotten, is that ok?
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# [22:26] <Unfocused> that's the expectation. yes :P
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# [22:28] <darktrojan> actually that's not another patch off my list, I have to put it back there to remove it
# [22:28] <darktrojan> :(
# [22:29] <Unfocused> heh
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# [22:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ada466fe633f - Neil Rashbrook - Bug 714164 Restore some global window commands that were removed as part of bug 669026 because they appeared to be unused r=ehsan sr=roc
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# [23:04] <darktrojan> Unfocused, do you think the page should scroll before or after the notification is fired?
# [23:05] <darktrojan> I had it after in case things changed, but I'm not sure that's right
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# [23:06] <edmorley> jdm++
# [23:06] <jdm> edmorley: hmm?
# [23:06] <edmorley> latest iteration of bugs ahoy is slick :-)
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# [23:07] <jdm> :)
# [23:07] <anant> mccr8: hey, so I have a build with the change you mentioned. Did I need to enable DEBUG_CC too as mentioned in https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance:Leak_Tools ?
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# [23:08] <mccr8> anant: nope. better not to. ;)
# [23:08] <anant> ah, good :)
# [23:08] <espindola> on try do I have to do anything special to get the "OS X opt" runs?
# [23:08] <NeilAway> ehsan: bah, did I forget an include somewhere?
# [23:08] <espindola> they are missing from https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=84fad4f51ae3
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# [23:09] <anant> mccr8: so now how to I go about getting a graph log? is mozilla.org/cycle-collector-logger;1 what we are looking for?
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# [23:09] <Unfocused> darktrojan: yea, i'd do after, for that very reason. is there a noticeable lag if you do it after?
# [23:10] <mccr8> anant: just run the browser and it will dump them in your filesystem somewhere. if you have a version from the last week or so it should be in the temp directory
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# [23:10] <mccr8> anat: if it is older, it will produce it in the current working directory you start firefox from
# [23:10] <mcsmurf> hi, can someone with a bit (or better: lots) of experience reading stack traces take a look at Bug 713186?
# [23:10] <mcsmurf> it's a stack overflow crash on Firefox startup, WinDBG log is attached, I wonder if the Citrix DLL has to do with that crash
# [23:10] <anant> mccr8: ah found them, /tmp/cc-edges*
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# [23:11] <mcsmurf> I think it's rather likely, but I'm not sure if one can actually see that from looking at the windbg log
# [23:11] <mccr8> anant: the last one is probably the one of interest, because that's where the leak was.
# [23:11] <khuey> did we retrigger nightlies today?
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# [23:11] <khuey> the lack of a UAC prompt was a nice touch
# [23:12] <khuey> bbondy++
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# [23:12] <darktrojan> Unfocused, no lag, but I just noticed the addon's icon is sized after scrolling so there's a flicker :(
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# [23:12] <tan> Is it intended that if you enter something in the location bar, then ctrl+z a few times, and try to copy it, the http(s):// doesn't copy?
# [23:12] <khuey> njn: google recruiter?
# [23:13] <njn> khuey: yeah
# [23:13] <khuey> njn: I got a similar email this morning
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# [23:13] <bbondy> khuey: I did an extra nightly to ensure it was working
# [23:13] <bbondy> before everyone got the next update
# [23:13] <khuey> bbondy: ah
# [23:13] <khuey> nice
# [23:13] <khuey> bbondy: it works :-D
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# [23:14] <bbondy> we may be triggering many extra builds over the next few weeks
# [23:14] <@smaug> njn: khuey: they are trying turn you to the dark side of Dart
# [23:14] <bbondy> thanks :D
# [23:14] <bbondy> great
# [23:14] <mccr8> anant: then you can grab my analysis scripts from https://github.com/amccreight/heapgraph/blob/master/cc/find_roots.py
# [23:14] <khuey> smaug: something like that
# [23:14] <mccr8> anant: or just compress and upload one of the CC logs and I can do it for you. ;)
# [23:14] <Unfocused> darktrojan: hm, might be worth investigating that separately - see if adding a min-height fixes it
# [23:14] <mccr8> anant: that script will let you look why the windows are alive.
# [23:14] <darktrojan> Unfocused, width
# [23:14] <@smaug> mccr8: that is where your script is. I had lost the link and had to write my own little script which doesn't do very good job
# [23:14] <darktrojan> but yeah
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# [23:15] <mccr8> smaug: all the cool people are on github!
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# [23:15] <anant> mccr8: ah cool! I will run that script. seems like I need to rebuild again because I built nightly and the add-on doesn't work with nightly. doh!
# [23:15] <mccr8> smaug: you could have just asked me. ;)
# [23:15] <hub> now if I can find a way to tell LimeChat to not highlight "github"
# [23:15] <jdm> heh
# [23:15] <anant> :D
# [23:15] <mccr8> I should also put a link into the leak tools.
# [23:15] <hub> mccr8: it took me a very long time to get on github....
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# [23:15] <hub> mccr8: and I only go there because I was contributing to something already hosted there
# [23:15] <jdm> hub: in the highlight options panel there's an exlusion list
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# [23:16] <@smaug> mccr8: well, I thought you were on vacation... though you did comment on the bugs occasionally
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# [23:16] <mccr8> ah. I have some scripts there, but nobody has ever committed any patches except me. ;)
# [23:16] <hub> jdm: oh cool. I missed that, thanks.
# [23:18] <hub> where can I get the langpacks for Nightly?
# [23:18] <hub> like french
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# [23:21] <mwu> hub: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central-l10n/win32/xpi/ maybe
# [23:21] <hub> can I install that on a Mac ?
# [23:21] <mwu> prob not
# [23:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ae1c4efbfb49 - Neil Rashbrook - Mac OS X bustage fix for bug 714164
# [23:22] <hub> but ok, I'll dig there
# [23:22] <mwu> there are also repacks at ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central-l10n/ which includes dmgs
# [23:22] <Mook_as> mccr8: is that listed in http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/toolbox/ ? :)
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# [23:23] <hub> mwu: but there are full binaries, aren't they?
# [23:23] <mwu> yup
# [23:23] <hub> that's not gonna work
# [23:23] <mwu> what are you trying to do?
# [23:23] <hub> I want to test MY build. with a different locale
# [23:23] <hub> :-/
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# [23:24] <hub> I'll figure something out
# [23:24] <mwu> oh, in that case
# [23:24] <hub> (and just to preempt, it is Mac specific)
# [23:24] <mwu> just hook up your build to the l10n stuff
# [23:25] <mwu> crap, where is that articule
# [23:26] <mwu> article
# [23:26] <mwu> hub: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Creating_a_Language_Pack
# [23:26] <khuey> is that like a reticule?
# [23:26] <mwu> sounds like it
# [23:26] <mwu> hub: just don't --disable-compile-environment
# [23:27] <mwu> the important thing is just the l10n base
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# [23:27] <hub> mwu: ok, thanks
# [23:27] <mwu> and then you can go in and generate language packs or repacks or whatever you need for your build
# [23:28] <mwu> and just pick any language you want from https://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central to stick in the l10n base
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# [23:29] <mwu> IIRC I used es-ES a bunch since they tend to be well updated
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# [23:31] <darktrojan> does anybody know a good "git for hg users" page?
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# [23:32] <darktrojan> probably about time I learnt
# [23:32] <Cww> bz_away: do you use mac or linux or windows?
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# [23:33] <hub> darktrojan: simple: ignore all you know about git and start over. and learn about the Mercurial patch queue. Almost fill the gap
# [23:33] <darktrojan> hub, other way around
# [23:33] <darktrojan> I know hg :P
# [23:33] <hub> darktrojan: oh, I mis-read
# [23:33] <hub> :-/
# [23:33] <hub> sorry can't help
# [23:33] <hub> I learned git way before hg
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# [23:35] <tonymec> darktrojan: still, the counsel is not without merit. Start with "git help". Note: git clone ~ hg cloe, git pull ~hg fetch, git fetch ~ hg pull
# [23:35] <dholbert> darktrojan, https://github.com/sympy/sympy/wiki/Git-hg-rosetta-stone/
# [23:36] <dholbert> darktrojan, scroll down to the chart under "Rosetta Stone" heading
# [23:36] <jrmuizel> cjones: ping
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# [23:36] <darktrojan> nice, that's the sorta thing
# [23:36] <darktrojan> thanks dholbert
# [23:36] <dholbert> darktrojan, np
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# [23:40] <cjones> hi jrmuizel
# [23:41] <jrmuizel> cjones: can I get an r+ on bug 715672?
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# [23:41] <cjones> you can and did
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# [23:42] <jrmuizel> cjones: thanks greatly
# [23:42] <cjones> thank you
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# [23:45] <NeilAway> ehsan: oh wonderful, this is one of those cases where you need a tweak to get ArrayLength to work
# [23:46] <KWierso> bbondy++ the nightly respin installed without UAC popping up
# [23:46] <khuey> yep
# [23:47] <khuey> it's hot
# [23:47] <bbondy> great! :)
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# [23:48] <KWierso> the update process seemed to take longer from original firefox window closing for the restart and the new firefox window opening after the update finished
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# [23:48] <KWierso> not sure if that's inherent to the system or just something dumb on my system or just me really staring at the computer waiting for UAC to appear
# [23:49] <@smaug> how does the update work now on windows? is it all silent?
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# [23:49] <KWierso> silent-unless-something-goes-wrong, as I understand it
# [23:49] <@smaug> sounds good
# [23:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ae6e1f90b511 - Neil Rashbrook - Bustage fix for bug 714164
# [23:50] <khuey> well it's not silent
# [23:50] <khuey> it still prompts you to update
# [23:50] <khuey> it just bypasses the UAC dialog
# [23:50] <rs> There are many steps in the process.
# [23:51] <rs> It prompts you if you have the settng to prompt or the setting to warn if add-ons are incompatible, etc.
# [23:51] <rs> It prompts to restart after 24 hours of continuous usage with an update downloaded
# [23:51] <rs> If the conditions are right there is no prompt
# [23:52] <@smaug> is there still the progress bar about updating
# [23:52] * Unfocused just updated and got the uac prompt
# [23:52] <Unfocused> i feel so... unloved
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# [23:52] <KWierso> Unfocused: had you already installed the first nightly from today?
# [23:52] <khuey> Unfocused: did you update from the immediately previous nightly?
# [23:52] <rs> no, since the update is done as another user
# [23:53] <rs> Unfocused: sc query MozillaMaintenance
# [23:53] <Unfocused> well, i updated twice... i think the first was to the previous nightly
# [23:53] <rs> to see if it is installed
# [23:53] <Unfocused> nope, not installed
# [23:53] <rs> Unfocused: what version of windows? Are you running 64 bit Firefox?
# [23:54] <Unfocused> oh, yea, 64bit build
# [23:54] <KWierso> those aren't signed iirc
# [23:54] <Unfocused> on win7
# [23:54] <rs> Unfocused: not supported yet
# [23:54] * njn was just about to Google for the web address of linux.conf.au
# [23:54] <Unfocused> see, unloved
# [23:54] <bkero> http://s3.amazonaws.com/eatery/Portion_Distribution_Infographic.png
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# [23:56] <mcsmurf> rs: not supported because Firefox is not signed?
# [23:56] <mcsmurf> (64 bit)
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# [23:56] <rs> no, because we haven't figured out exactly how we are going to deal with a 32 bit and a 64 bit service
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# [23:57] <rs> side by side or only one installed, etc.
# [23:57] <mcsmurf> but signing is also necessary? from what it looks like in the patch
# [23:57] <@smaug> njn: better to google for web addresses than use mxr like I occasionally do
# [23:57] <mcsmurf> just wondering if SeaMonkey can also use the new no-UAC feature
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# [23:57] <nthomas> the currently signing method for the firefox binaries also breaks launching on 64bit
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# [23:58] <Asa> anyone else seeing this visual glitch at twitter.com http://grab.by/bvMH seems to have regressed yesterday but not sure if it's them or us.
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# [23:59] <rs> mcsmurf: it is on the list of things we are working on though it is a lower priority.
# [23:59] <mcsmurf> rs: sure, no problem
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