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  6. # [00:08] <evilpie> what a silence
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  10. # [00:24] <BenB> hey... why would directory service.get("ComsD") fail, but "CurProcD" works? this is seamonkey, self-compiled.
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  19. # [00:31] <MichaelKohler> who is the right person to review a patch for bug 711818?
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  27. # [00:40] <@smaug> edmorley: thanks for staring
  28. # [00:41] <WG9s> MichaelKohler: welel content/base says owned by Jonny Stenback, Peter Van der Beken
  29. # [00:41] <WG9s> and peers are Boris Zbarsky, Jonas Sicking, Olli Pettay
  30. # [00:41] <tbsaunde> MichaelKohler: any of waldo, luke, or cjones, would probably be fine
  31. # [00:42] <gavin> why isn't mfbt on the modules page
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  33. # [00:42] <MichaelKohler> thanks
  34. # [00:42] <gavin> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1193734e0207 suggests khuey
  35. # [00:42] <tbsaunde> gavin: because nobody added it? ;)
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  37. # [00:48] <@smaug> edmorley: by any chance, will you watch the tree still for some time?
  38. # [00:49] <Callek> smaug: if he won't I will, you're good
  39. # [00:49] <Callek> smaug: m-c?
  40. # [00:49] <@smaug> Callek: I was thinking if I could land still one small patch
  41. # [00:49] <@smaug> to m-c
  42. # [00:49] <Callek> smaug: no problem
  43. # [00:49] <@smaug> thanks!
  44. # [00:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0e46065c6d9f - Olli Pettay - Bug 715615 - unlink nsHTMLTableElement, r=bz
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  46. # [00:54] <@Hixie> hey anyone know if there's something that would cause <button>s in Firefox to magically sprout disabled="" attributes?
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  49. # [00:55] <bjacob> This 'skip a line every line in text fields' bug in Nightly is horrible. Anyone knows if there's a bug # for it?
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  60. # [01:11] <panzi> I want to find out if a session started with https keeps open when navigating to a http url on the same domain. what does the spec say, what do common web servers and browsers say? where can I find this information?
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  62. # [01:14] <biesi> panzi, what do you mean with "session"?
  63. # [01:15] <panzi> biesi: well, teh session cookie
  64. # [01:15] <biesi> panzi, that depends on whether the server sent it with the secure=yes attribute or not
  65. # [01:16] <panzi> is, so if there is no secure=yes attribute, even cookies sent vie https have to be kept when the next request is http?
  66. # [01:16] <biesi> correct
  67. # [01:16] <panzi> biesi: Thank you! :)
  68. # [01:17] <panzi> hmm
  69. # [01:17] <panzi> biesi: I guess when using http authentications this is a different story?
  70. # [01:17] <biesi> I don't think so
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  72. # [01:18] <biesi> but also, that's normally only sent after the server sends a 401 response
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  74. # [01:19] <panzi> yeah, well the idea is to login via https (in order to send the username+password encrypted) but then download the files via http for performance reasons
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  76. # [01:21] <biesi> ah
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  95. # [01:49] <edmorley> smaug: back now, will watch (was playing tf2 :-) )
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  101. # [01:56] <Callek> edmorley: O great, taking over from me then :-)
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  126. # [02:50] <evilpie> edmorley: good decision
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  130. # [02:55] <edmorley> evilpie: ? :-)
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  142. # [03:29] <kats> edmorley: ping
  143. # [03:30] <edmorley> kats: hi :-)
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  145. # [03:30] <kats> hi :)
  146. # [03:30] <kats> how come bugs in the last inbound->m-c merge weren't marked fixed?
  147. # [03:31] <edmorley> kats: I got caught up starring and filing some new oranges & have just about closed enough tabs to get back to the pinned merge tab that reminds me to mark them :-)
  148. # [03:31] <edmorley> s/pinned/left open/
  149. # [03:32] <kats> ah, i see
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  153. # [03:33] <edmorley> was worth checking in case; people have forgotten in the past :-)
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  155. # [03:33] <kats> yeah i just wasn't sure if that was something that happens automatically as part of a script or manually
  156. # [03:35] <edmorley> manually at present, my todo list for this week is to finally write a script for it, that covers all the edge cases
  157. # [03:35] <edmorley> or at least most of them
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  175. # [04:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cf8c9f9aeefc - Serge Gautherie - Bug 713192. (Av1c-FF) Improve code. r=gavin.sharp.
  176. # [04:17] <Jesse> "Improve code"? that's not very descriptive
  177. # [04:18] <edmorley> heh
  178. # [04:19] <nigelb> Drat.
  179. # [04:19] <nigelb> I thought it would be some easter egg being checked in.
  180. # [04:19] * larfdesk still likes the idea of either triaging bugs, or putting non active bugs in a new catagory where they can be forgotten and ignored
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  231. # [06:47] <ewong> anyone know if it's possible to build FF/SM/TB without hunspell?
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  248. # [07:25] <KWierso> ewong: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.builds/browse_thread/thread/05c9c7d43bea252d says no
  249. # [07:27] <ewong> KWierso: thanks! I guess --disable-system-hunspell doesn't work
  250. # [07:27] <KWierso> according to ted in that thread, that's the default option
  251. # [07:28] <ewong> right.. and it determines if to use the builtin hunspell or an external lib... so either way, 'no hunspell', no build
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  341. # [10:57] <gaston> what changed in the past months in term of lib size ? i used to be able to link libxul with ld taking up to 1.5gb or memory, now it hits the 2g limit and ld fails......
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  344. # [10:59] <gaston> i managed to link it last week or the week before, now i can't anymore
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  358. # [11:19] <NeilAway> gaston: which ld are you using? I had to switch from bfd to gold
  359. # [11:19] <gaston> bah, i'll try with -no-keep-memory in LDFLAGS (seen in #494068), but that's a pity
  360. # [11:19] <gaston> gnu ld 2.15..... (yeah, i know, old)
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  390. # [12:12] <krijnh> FYI: smaug asked me (a while back) to log this channel as well, so it's available on http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/
  391. # [12:13] <krijnh> http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/developers for the latest log
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  405. # [12:45] <nigelb> "mysterious Ms2ger" HA.
  406. # [12:45] <nigelb> (I'm catching up on feeds)
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  412. # [12:59] <Ms2ger> That makes 4
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  415. # [13:04] <ewong> krijnh:++
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  419. # [13:12] <Ms2ger> Eek, krijnh
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  421. # [13:14] <krijnh> :O
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  426. # [13:18] <NeilAway> what is it with these unpronouncable names?
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  430. # [13:19] <Mitch> I think it's that you can't pronounce them. :P
  431. # [13:19] * smaug changes topic to 'm-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: January 31 || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || https://etherpad.mozilla.org/sombrero-of-shame-leaderboard || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
  432. # [13:20] <Mitch> So do reviewers tend to need links to tryserver results, or does a "try server had some know oranges but everything else was cool" comment suffice?
  433. # [13:21] * Mitch doesn't know how long the results are available
  434. # [13:22] <@smaug> do both
  435. # [13:23] <@smaug> add link to the tryserver tbpl and comment whether there has been unknown oranges
  436. # [13:24] <Mitch> okay thanks
  437. # [13:26] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, and Krijn Hoetmer isn't unpronounceable
  438. # [13:28] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: well, jn still looks unpronouncable to me, but the h didn't help
  439. # [13:28] <Ms2ger> 'ij' is one sound
  440. # [13:29] <NeilAway> ah, well I don't know any Dutch, although I should have guessed from Gijs
  441. # [13:29] <edmorley> Mitch: try server links also help when inbound blows up and sheriffs are looking at half a dozen bugs to work out what caused multiple layers of bustage etc (means less likely your bug will get backed out indiscriminately :-))
  442. # [13:31] <krijnh> Ms2ger: yeah, both the 'ij' and 'oe' suck
  443. # [13:31] <Ms2ger> Merging over 1662 changesets... This is going to be fun
  444. # [13:31] <Ms2ger> krijnh, also, English speakers :)
  445. # [13:31] <krijnh> Dutchies ftw. I'm thinking about renaming /irc-logs/ to /IR-clogs/ as well
  446. # [13:32] <krijnh> Anyway, hopefully the logs will turn out useful here as well
  447. # [13:32] <krijnh> If not, please let me know
  448. # [13:32] <krijnh> smaug: np :)
  449. # [13:32] <Ms2ger> Now I can't gossip behind people's back anymore :/
  450. # [13:33] <krijnh> Yeah, it's my goal to log every channel you're on :)
  451. # [13:33] <ewong> reminds me of the song "Pass the Dutchie on the left hand side" (or something like that) by Musical Youth
  452. # [13:33] <krijnh> (Actually, make that Hixie)
  453. # [13:33] <Ms2ger> glwt
  454. # [13:33] <krijnh> :D
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  458. # [13:36] <@smaug> krijnh: ah, you're a Hixie stalker :)
  459. # [13:37] <krijnh> I prefer the term groupie
  460. # [13:37] <Ms2ger> Wow
  461. # [13:37] <Ms2ger> Did I get mrbkap to review something within a day?
  462. # [13:37] <@smaug> wow
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  465. # [13:52] <ewong> smaug, ping
  466. # [13:53] <@smaug> ewong: pong
  467. # [13:53] <ewong> smaug wrt bug #693172, I've unbitrotted the patch. can I get you to review it again?
  468. # [13:54] <@smaug> ewong: I could look at the updated patch quickly
  469. # [13:54] <ewong> ok.. will attach it now
  470. # [13:55] <ewong> smaug, attached
  471. # [13:55] <@smaug> looking
  472. # [13:56] <ewong> something about nsDOMEventTargetWrapperCache.h got bitrotted..
  473. # [13:56] <Ms2ger> Blame smaug :)
  474. # [13:57] <@smaug> yup, blame me
  475. # [13:59] <ewong> actually.. hrrm I'm now worried that that's not the only change I need to fix..
  476. # [13:59] <@smaug> ewong: you're removing the destructor
  477. # [13:59] <ewong> confirmed my worries...
  478. # [14:04] <ewong> smaug if I'm merging nsDOMEventTargetWrapperCache.h with nsDOMEventTargetHelper.h, the latter already has a virtual ~nsDOMEventTargetHelper().. is that sufficient?
  479. # [14:04] <@smaug> ewong: you need to merge also .cpp
  480. # [14:04] <ewong> oh.. right
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  482. # [14:05] <ewong> smaug here's one thing I don't get. the bitrot was only on the header file and not the cpp file which was also removed.
  483. # [14:06] <@smaug> perhaps hg doesn't realize the merging problem when you're removing a file
  484. # [14:06] <@smaug> hmm
  485. # [14:07] <@smaug> but you're removing also the .h file
  486. # [14:07] <@smaug> strange
  487. # [14:08] <ewong> and the .cpp file..
  488. # [14:09] <ewong> but since there's no modification in the cpp file, the file was removed ok.. since the changes were .h based, it complained then
  489. # [14:09] <ewong> (that's as far as I understand it) could be deeper.. in which case I'm lost
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  492. # [14:11] <ewong> need to afk a bit...
  493. # [14:11] <@smaug> ewong: but if you do patch -p1 < originalpatch.diff, it sure should complain about the .cpp file
  494. # [14:11] <@smaug> and it does complain here
  495. # [14:12] <ewong> I did |hg qpush patch.txt| which did complain about the .h.. I then removed the .h occurrence within the patch and reapplied it and it didn't complain.. strange
  496. # [14:12] <ewong> will try it again
  497. # [14:13] * @smaug doesn't know what qpush does
  498. # [14:13] <@smaug> but sounds like a bug in hg or mq
  499. # [14:14] <Ms2ger> MQ complains but still removes the file, I think
  500. # [14:17] <@smaug> hg import does not
  501. # [14:18] <@smaug> terrible bug
  502. # [14:19] <@smaug> I used ewong's previous patch, and although the .cpp file was changed after that patch was created, the .cpp file ended up removed
  503. # [14:20] <@smaug> hmm, maybe it is fixed in more recent hg
  504. # [14:20] <@smaug> I use 1.8.2
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  509. # [14:29] <ewong> I'm using 1.5.4
  510. # [14:29] <khuey> yeah you should upgrae
  511. # [14:29] <khuey> *upgrade
  512. # [14:30] <ewong> what's the latest mozbuild version?
  513. # [14:38] <khuey> 1.6
  514. # [14:38] <khuey> it has hg 1.9.something
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  517. # [14:42] <Mitch> khuey: Yeah you should upgrade. :P
  518. # [14:44] <ewong> ok.. downloading the new mozbuild
  519. # [14:45] <khuey> no thanks
  520. # [14:45] <khuey> doing mozilla-build releases is a huge PITA
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  522. # [14:46] <Ms2ger> Make the ateam do it
  523. # [14:46] <ewong> I love it when the plan comes together.
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  526. # [14:47] <Ms2ger> We've got an ex-microsoftie who can do that :)
  527. # [14:47] <Mitch> I didn't know the A-Team previously worked at Microsoft.
  528. # [14:48] <Ms2ger> jmaher did
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  537. # [15:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/371c513e15d7 - Tim Taubert - Bug 710975 - Bad index checking in nsIEProfileMigrator::TestForIE7(). r=gavin
  538. # [15:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9a230265bad5 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to ux
  539. # [15:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ffedccc6bf24 - Jared Wein - Bug 708431 - Video controls fail to initialize if an extension implementing nsIContentPolicy is present. r=roc r=bz
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  553. # [15:59] <ewong> oooh sombrero of shame....
  554. # [15:59] <sheppy> Back at Be, we had an actual dunce cap we would give anyone that broke the build. :)
  555. # [16:00] <sheppy> It was a surprisingly effective motivator.
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  558. # [16:04] <gaston> c++: unrecognized option '-no-keep-memory'
  559. # [16:04] <gaston> great. seems i'm not even using ld to link libxul...
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  563. # [16:16] <gaston> i don't get it, i see ld being run in the process list, but -no-keep-memory isnt passed to it, it's only passed to c++
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  571. # [16:33] <gaston> ah, export LDFLAGS=-Wl,--no-keep-memory should do the trick
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  577. # [16:42] <jmaher|afk> Ms2ger: be nice!
  578. # [16:42] <Ms2ger> Yo
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  591. # [17:08] <Ms2ger> khuey|away, yt?
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  602. # [17:30] <mounir> I wonder if he left on vacation already
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  604. # [17:34] <Ms2ger> Hmm
  605. # [17:34] <Ms2ger> He was going to Germany
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  608. # [17:35] <Ms2ger> <khuey> I fly out on Monday
  609. # [17:36] <Ms2ger> khuey|away, so you're supposed to be here on Sunday morning, dammit
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  620. # [17:53] <mounir> Ms2ger: maybe he did some training yesterday to handle Germany and Paris alcoolicly-speaking :)
  621. # [17:53] <Ms2ger> Uh-oh :)
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  642. # [18:21] <mrbkap> Is anyone else seeing verify errors in m-c?
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  657. # [19:00] <WG9s> another idea for the untriaged component.
  658. # [19:01] <WG9s> was thinking that we should have an untriaged component for each product and anyone filing a bug who does not have canconfirm privs should only be able to file bugs in the untriaged component for the product they are reproting on.
  659. # [19:02] <WG9s> just a thought.
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  661. # [19:04] <WG9s> I realize this might need bugzilla changes, but might result in more timely bug resolution by getting bugs into the proper component in a more timely manner.
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  670. # [19:19] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, I definitely don't want to change stringification tests. That should be interoperable. If debug builds mangle stringification, they should fail conformance tests (and they'll probably break some websites, so I don't see it as a good idea).
  671. # [19:20] <Ms2ger> *shrug*
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  675. # [19:21] <Ms2ger> I don't see harm in making stringification more useful for developers in debug builds
  676. # [19:21] <AryehGregor> smaug, the parts of WebIDL I test for seem pretty sane and stable. IE9 does really well (I assume it was written per spec from scratch). And lots of stuff Gecko fails on is definitely not the way spec is ever going to be, IIRC, like having all Node members on Document etc. instead of Node.
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  679. # [19:22] <@smaug> AryehGregor: yeah, IE9 behaves probably closest to the spec
  680. # [19:22] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, sites make assumptions about stringification. I think jQuery has a helper method that does something like return /^\[object (.*)\]$/.exec(input)[1];
  681. # [19:22] <@smaug> though, the spec has changed a lot since IE9 was released
  682. # [19:22] <AryehGregor> And expects things like "Node".
  683. # [19:22] <Ms2ger> I'll believe that
  684. # [19:22] <@smaug> things like onfoo handling is probably reasonable broken in many browsers
  685. # [19:22] <AryehGregor> smaug, WebIDL tests for DOM4 are here: http://w3c-test.org/webapps/DOMCore/tests/submissions/AryehGregor/interfaces.html
  686. # [19:23] <@smaug> though, in Gecko perhaps only with few special cases
  687. # [19:23] <AryehGregor> smaug, failures include stuff like missing .constructor on almost all interface prototype objects.
  688. # [19:24] <AryehGregor> I did sanity-check most of these test failures; the spec should be reasonable across the board with respect to implementations (i.e., almost every failing assert passes in at least one major browser).
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  690. # [19:24] <AryehGregor> (And the exceptions I know of are cases where implementers have agreed they want to change)
  691. # [19:25] <AryehGregor> So I think the tests are stable and useful.
  692. # [19:25] <@smaug> the tests seems to test a spec bug
  693. # [19:25] <@smaug> mutationobserver callback shouldn't have handleEvent
  694. # [19:25] <@smaug> (I think that is a spec bug, and won't implement the interface with handleEvent)
  695. # [19:25] <AryehGregor> That's a DOM4 bug, though, not a WebIDL bug, right?
  696. # [19:26] <Ms2ger> Hmm, I think there's a bug for making constants on interfaces constant...
  697. # [19:26] <AryehGregor> I'm just copying the interfaces straight from DOM4, mostly.
  698. # [19:26] <@smaug> AryehGregor: right, but you have a test for it
  699. # [19:26] <@smaug> ah
  700. # [19:26] <AryehGregor> So yeah.
  701. # [19:26] <AryehGregor> If the IDLs in DOM4 are wrong, that's definitely going to translate straight to test failures.
  702. # [19:26] <Ms2ger> Aha
  703. # [19:26] <AryehGregor> I'd be fine with removing the MutationObserver IDLs for now, until there are implementations.
  704. # [19:26] <Ms2ger> Last comment is "This needs some tests." from smaug
  705. # [19:27] <AryehGregor> :)
  706. # [19:29] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, what do you think about making the stringification tests looser iff I call some function from testharnessreport.js, say
  707. # [19:29] <Ms2ger> So the actual conformance tests would still fail
  708. # [19:29] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: enum-ing ScrollHorizontal turned out to be harder than I thought
  709. # [19:29] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, ah, isn't it always? :)
  710. # [19:29] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, I don't care as long as the conformance tests aren't affected. I'm wondering how sane it is for implementers to add hacks to the tests themselves to make them more convenient for their internal use, though.
  711. # [19:30] <AryehGregor> Seems like that path could lead to considerable confusion.
  712. # [19:30] <AryehGregor> Could you add the hack without touching the tests, like by overriding assert_equals in some devious way, say?
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  715. # [19:31] <@smaug> AryehGregor: do you have tests for setting properties in prototypes
  716. # [19:31] <@smaug> in which case 'this' is wrong and there should be an exception
  717. # [19:31] <@smaug> since that is real world thing which has caused us to add few hacks for certain onfoo listeners
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  722. # [19:38] <AryehGregor> smaug, it seems like I test that the setter exists and has length 1, but I don't actually try to call it.
  723. # [19:40] <AryehGregor> I should add a test for that.
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  725. # [19:40] * AryehGregor writes a TODO
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  728. # [19:41] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: well, that just means that it won't get done by me :-)
  729. # [19:41] <AryehGregor> smaug, okay, I added a TODO to idlharness.js.
  730. # [19:42] <AryehGregor> I'll get around to it sometime, probably.
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  732. # [19:45] <@smaug> AryehGregor: thanks
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  740. # [19:51] <bent> huh, has anyone noticed that larry is broken?
  741. # [19:51] <bent> (clicking on favicon no longer brings up popup info)
  742. # [19:52] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, well, if I have to override assert_equals in a devious way, I might as well try to make my list of failures dependent on debugness
  743. # [19:52] <KWierso> bent: works for me
  744. # [19:52] <KWierso> though I think I'm a few nightlies behind'
  745. # [19:52] <bent> i noticed yesterday
  746. # [19:52] <Ms2ger> I'd say that changing the test is more sane from my side :)
  747. # [19:53] <Ms2ger> !summon smaug
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  753. # [19:58] <WG9s> bent:works for me at least under linux with latest nightly
  754. # [19:59] <bent> maybe it's windows only...
  755. # [19:59] <WG9s> well reobboting then
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  759. # [20:04] <KWierso> bent: I'm on win7, and it seems to be working for me
  760. # [20:04] <wg9s> bent:larry works for me with todays nightly on widows also. seems it is just you.
  761. # [20:05] <bent> weird
  762. # [20:05] <bent> happens on my local builds too, with clean profiles
  763. # [20:05] <wg9s> new add-on you installed recently?
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  768. # [20:05] <bent> no
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  770. # [20:05] <wg9s> Then i have no idea
  771. # [20:05] <wg9s> is there a sepcific usrl where you do not get larry?
  772. # [20:06] <wg9s> I just used my website
  773. # [20:06] <wg9s> www.wg9s.com
  774. # [20:06] <wg9s> and then with https also since it has a cert. worked both ways
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  776. # [20:07] <bent> sometimes the dropdown flickers for a sec
  777. # [20:07] <bent> sometimes it's just gone
  778. # [20:08] <wg9s> on general priciplas if you have firebug enabled that would be my first idea to try disabling.
  779. # [20:08] <KWierso> ew
  780. # [20:08] <bent> this happens on a clean profile
  781. # [20:09] <wg9s> and even to my website where it works for me?
  782. # [20:09] <KWierso> my AV is currently scanning my mozilla-central checkout, and windows is currently deleting an older, unused m-c checkout. with all of this cpu/disk activity, when I click on the identity box, I can see it show up for a split second with the contents of another tab's identity box before it changes to the correct tab's contents
  783. # [20:09] <bent> aha
  784. # [20:09] <bent> if i disable hardware acceleration it works again
  785. # [20:10] <bent> :-/
  786. # [20:10] <KWierso> did your video card drivers update recently?
  787. # [20:10] <wg9s> oh that is odd i have hardware acceleration enabled but then probably have different drivers graphics cards.
  788. # [20:10] <bent> yes, i updated a few days ago
  789. # [20:11] <wg9s> going back to linux then back-in-a-bit.
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  791. # [20:11] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, and if changing the test is also more sane from MS's side and WebKit's side and Opera's side?
  792. # [20:11] <AryehGregor> Could get confusing.
  793. # [20:11] <@smaug> Ms2ger: yeah, I just copied that null check part from elsewhere
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  795. # [20:12] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, yeah
  796. # [20:12] <@smaug> Ms2ger: that patch is still very experimental
  797. # [20:12] <Ms2ger> smaug, doesn't stop me from complaining about it ;)
  798. # [20:12] <@smaug> :)
  799. # [20:12] <Ms2ger> Like specs :)
  800. # [20:13] * @smaug should have a private tryserver so that Ms2ger couldn't complain about his patches :p
  801. # [20:13] <Ms2ger> smaug, imagine how bad those patches would be if I didn't complain about it :)
  802. # [20:13] <Ms2ger> s+it+them+
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  804. # [20:14] <@smaug> but hey, the patch doesn't seem to leak terribly. It has passed few debug tests
  805. # [20:14] * Ms2ger frowns
  806. # [20:14] <Ms2ger> That constant constants patch only seems to have fixed half of it
  807. # [20:15] <WG9s> smaug: Does not leak terribly does not exactly sound like a ringing endorsement though! ;-)
  808. # [20:15] <Ms2ger> WG9s, it's fast! :)
  809. # [20:16] <Ms2ger> So, where does the code live that sets up DOMException.prototype?
  810. # [20:16] <@smaug> At some point I need to figure out how to write an addon which shows the latest GC and CC times somewhere in the main UI. Looking at error console is annoying
  811. # [20:16] <@smaug> and error console itself creates lots of garbage
  812. # [20:17] <WG9s> Ms2ger: So that means it will run you out of memeory really quickly?
  813. # [20:17] <Ms2ger> Hah
  814. # [20:17] <@smaug> btw, about:memory creates quite a bit suspected objects too
  815. # [20:18] <gaston> fwiw, m-c runs fine on OpenBSD w/ only patch from #714312
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  818. # [20:20] <Ms2ger> bholley, yt?
  819. # [20:20] <Ms2ger> Or mrbkap...
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  821. # [20:23] <@smaug> do we not have a test for memusage anymore
  822. # [20:23] <WG9s> gaston:I added a comment asking for a higher priority based on your report that it is sufficient to make it work.
  823. # [20:26] <gaston> thx :)
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  831. # [20:37] <@smaug> Gnome system monitor is quite annoying since it takes more CPU time than any other program
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  833. # [20:40] <WG9s> smaug: hmm that does seem a bit extreme. ;-)
  834. # [20:41] <WG9s> perhaps that is jsut why rely on the tired and true top cli command for this.
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  837. # [20:44] <WG9s> but then maybe it is just because I am old and cli commands are sll we used to have. ;-)
  838. # [20:44] <WG9s> s/sll/all/
  839. # [20:45] <bjacob> anyone objects to adding MOZ_CONSTEXPR to MFBT? defined as constexpr if c++11, falling back to const
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  841. # [20:46] * @smaug wonders what constexpr is for :)
  842. # [20:47] * WG9s still thinks MFBT is some kind of dyslexic way of abbreviating Mean-time-between-failures. ;-)
  843. # [20:47] <@smaug> I think I've never used anything defined in MFBT
  844. # [20:48] <@smaug> ahaa, constexpr could be useful... in some very rare cases
  845. # [20:49] <@smaug> I could imagine it could be more useful when handling graphics and stuff like that
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  847. # [20:51] <Ms2ger> I hear it's useful to make ArrayLength usable in static asserts
  848. # [20:52] <WG9s> Sorry but having to deal with MTBF for so many year now MFBT just looks like a typo to me.
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  851. # [20:53] <Ms2ger> Well, mtbf at Mozilla is 0
  852. # [20:54] <WG9s> nad, as you know I am very good at making typos so should be an expert at recognizing them. ;-)
  853. # [20:54] <WG9s> s/nad/and/
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  865. # [21:23] <bjacob> smaug: it's useful for template helpers to define true compile-time constants
  866. # [21:23] <bjacob> smaug: c++98 only has enum values for compile-time constants, and they're not types
  867. # [21:23] <bjacob> typed
  868. # [21:24] <bjacob> static const int is not very good, as one could still take its address and const_cast, although on many platforms that would give a crash on write
  869. # [21:24] <bjacob> so i would like to be able to do static MOZ_CONSTEXPR int
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  872. # [21:33] <bjacob> Ms2ger: mtbmfbt is also near 0 :)
  873. # [21:33] <Ms2ger> bjacob, oh, are you going to the work week in Paris as well? ;)
  874. # [21:35] <bjacob> Ms2ger: the toronto office has a very friendly atmosphere too ;-)
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  876. # [21:35] <bjacob> (but i was in paris office last week and it was great too)
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  881. # [21:51] <jdm> I'm planning to spend a few days in the paris office when I'm there in may
  882. # [21:51] <jdm> I enjoyed it last time
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  932. # [22:43] <@smaug> hmm, who was using lots of tabs
  933. # [22:43] <@smaug> glandium: maybe you ?
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  937. # [22:47] <IanN> with the new boilerplate do you still add a contributors section at the bottom?
  938. # [22:47] <@smaug> ask gerv
  939. # [22:47] <IanN> !seen gerv
  940. # [22:47] <firebot> gerv was last seen 29 hours, 11 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying 'roc is probably in a position to make such a statement, but https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677495#c11 is definitely not it.' in #developers.
  941. # [22:48] <Ms2ger> IanN, no
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  943. # [22:51] <bjacob> Where are the unit tests for MFBT?
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  946. # [22:55] <WG9s> Oh dear MFBT again, do I have to repeat my lame dyslexia thing here?
  947. # [22:56] <WG9s> MFBT is just a dyslexic persons way of saying MTBF!
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  963. # [23:22] <@smaug> is the author of abp ever here?
  964. # [23:25] <bjacob> smaug: his name is wladimir palant, iirc
  965. # [23:25] <imphil> !seen palant
  966. # [23:25] <firebot> palant was last seen 3 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, 19 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying 'eviljeff: ok, will do that...' in #amo-editors.
  967. # [23:26] <imphil> smaug, I cannot remember seeing him here either
  968. # [23:27] <@smaug> ok, thanks
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  980. # [23:51] <boiled_sugar> when I try compiling mozilla-central x64 on windows, shlibsign crashes
  981. # [23:51] <boiled_sugar> anyone knows how to deal with this?
  982. # [23:54] <Callek> smaug: interesting, and argh
  983. # [23:54] <@smaug> Callek: ?
  984. # [23:54] <Callek> smaug: all of a sudden with your (beta-based) try build I've been testing for a while |CC timestamp: 1326062823574000, collected: 229 (229 waiting for GC), suspected: 2216, duration: 2185 ms.|
  985. # [23:55] <@smaug> boo
  986. # [23:55] <Callek> which is almost 800ms more than I've normally experienced
  987. # [23:55] <@smaug> something makes the graph huge
  988. # [23:55] <Callek> yea, the ONLY difference between yesterday and today that I know of for myself
  989. # [23:55] <Callek> .... was chatzilla disco and reconnecting to moznet
  990. # [23:55] <@smaug> hmm
  991. # [23:56] <@smaug> could chatzilla cause some problems
  992. # [23:56] <Callek> I'm not sure what caused the disco, but I have a weird feeling that has to do with it
  993. # [23:56] <@smaug> though, I use chatzilla all the time and haven't had any problems
  994. # [23:56] <Callek> yea, I suspect its a chain-reaction of issues of some sort
  995. # [23:57] <@smaug> it would be enough to keep a right kind of reference to a huge unconnected dom tree
  996. # [23:57] <Callek> but yea, I do know with CC times like this (even though its hard to fix/find the cause) we'll likely sieve users in the 6 weeks 10 is out
  997. # [23:58] <@smaug> well, do many other people get similar behavior ?
  998. # [23:58] <@smaug> and there are some machines running atm to try to find regression range
  999. # [23:58] <Callek> I have heard lots of complaints (in various forms) about CC times on 10... not sure if they get same issues as me though
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  1001. # [23:59] <@smaug> yes, I've heard lots of problems about problems too
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  1003. # [23:59] <Callek> let me close cZ entirely for a few minutes, and see if the times go way down, maybe at least we can try to find a specific issue if we know cZ has _something_ to do with it (even though cZ is a HUGE conglomorate of weirdly interfaced code)
  1004. # [23:59] <@smaug> but no one who can see the problem has volunteered to try to find the regression range :(
  1005. # Session Close: Mon Jan 09 00:00:00 2012

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