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# Session Start: Thu Jan 12 00:00:01 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:00] <zpao> bent / khuey: why? isn't that just sqlite backed?
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# [00:01] <bent> yes, it just also does all the off-main-thread IO and object serialization and database management for you
# [00:01] <khuey> and has a nice mostly-user-friendly api
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# [00:01] <bent> totally friendly, khuey is just jealous
# [00:02] <khuey> I'm jealous?
# [00:02] <jdm> if I have a browser element in chrome, how can I access the contained window?
# [00:02] <khuey> of what?
# [00:02] <dholbert> khuey, ok -- thanks!
# [00:02] <mbrubeck> jdm: browser.contentWindow?
# [00:02] <jdm> sounds reasonable
# [00:03] <bent> khuey, er, jealous is not the word i meant to use
# [00:03] <bent> "bitter, because he had to remove the ugliest part"
# [00:03] <bent> setVersion RIP
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# [00:04] <khuey> bent: won't argue with that!
# [00:04] <khuey> but yeah, it's much better now
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# [00:04] <bent> zpao, i can walk you through it all in a few minutes if you want
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# [00:05] <khuey> gabor did all of the hard work to get it working in chrome code too
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# [00:06] <bent> did that land btw?
# [00:06] <bent> i got distracted
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# [00:06] <khuey> yes
# [00:07] <khuey> it landed and stuck
# [00:07] <khuey> for 12
# [00:07] <bent> cool
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# [00:07] * bent wants for ESR
# [00:07] <khuey> everybody wants everything for ESR
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# [00:07] <khuey> that's the fatal flaw ;-)
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# [00:08] <edmorley> ehsan: dictionary thing has happened again, can't see a lang property though?
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# [00:09] <ehsan> edmorley: how are you getting the property?
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# [00:10] <edmorley> ehsan: ctrl+shift+I, select the gmail email body, find the text typed in, untick user styles only, both scroll to find .lang and also search for lang
# [00:11] <edmorley> under style -> properties
# [00:11] <edmorley> unless you meant something else?
# [00:11] <joe> edmorley: thank you for merging my patches to m-c!!
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# [00:11] <joe> edmorley: do you have plans to mark them as fixed? or shall others?
# [00:11] <edmorley> joe: np (yet to mark the last merge, 85 changeset, oh yey :-/)
# [00:11] <joe> hehehe
# [00:12] <edmorley> I'll do shortly :-)
# [00:12] <joe> :)
# [00:12] <edmorley> ehsan: spellchecker.dictionary pref has reset to en-US
# [00:12] <khuey> we should change the inbound rules
# [00:12] <khuey> select one cset from a merge at random
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# [00:12] <khuey> and whoever's it is has to mark all the bugs
# [00:12] <joe> haha
# [00:12] <darktrojan> heh
# [00:12] <edmorley> ha
# [00:13] <joe> ehsan would lose always
# [00:13] <khuey> him and mounir
# [00:13] <ehsan> edmorley: is your default spellcheck en-GB?
# [00:13] <edmorley> it was
# [00:13] <ehsan> hmm
# [00:13] <ehsan> edmorley: wanna take a stab at debugging this? :)
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# [00:14] <edmorley> as in that pref was en-GB pre session restart
# [00:14] <edmorley> yeah why not :-)
# [00:14] <darktrojan> NeilAway, this is just a reminder of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710978#c10
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# [00:15] <edmorley> ehsan: I'll file a bug perhaps
# [00:15] <ehsan> edmorley: just a question, what dictionaries do you have installed?
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# [00:15] <ehsan> edmorley: yeah that's a good idea
# [00:15] <edmorley> ehsan: just en-GB, no others
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# [00:16] <ehsan> edmorley: oh hmm
# [00:16] <ehsan> ok
# [00:16] <ehsan> do you have a debug build?
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# [00:16] <edmorley> I can get one from tinderbox
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# [00:17] <ehsan> ok
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# [00:18] <jdm> argh
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# [00:18] <jdm> how can I have content pages perform tests inside browser-chrome tests?
# [00:19] <jdm> ehsan: ^
# [00:19] <ehsan> jdm: window.opener.is?
# [00:19] <ehsan> edmorley: you wanna set a breakpoint on mozHunspell::SetDictionary
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# [00:20] <ehsan> and see what calls into it I thinkk
# [00:20] <zpao> bent: if you want to try to convince me now, then i'm game. but it might make more sense to hold off until we're closer to being ready to actually start that conversion
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# [00:21] <bent> zpao, sure, come find me when you're ready!
# [00:21] <jdm> ehsan: I opened tabs and loaded URIs in them, so opener is null :/
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# [00:24] <MichaelKohler> could somebody please mark bug 717431 as a normal bug (I accidentally marked it as security related).. I'm sorry
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# [00:25] <ehsan> jdm: well, just use window.open!
# [00:25] <njn> MichaelKohler: people need to be CC'd to do that
# [00:25] <ehsan> would it not work?
# [00:25] <jdm> ehsan: from the js file? I don't understand.
# [00:25] <MichaelKohler> njn: who should I CC?
# [00:25] <njn> MichaelKohler: CC ":nnethercote"
# [00:25] <njn> sorry ":njn"
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# [00:26] <MichaelKohler> njn: done
# [00:26] <khuey> njn: if you're not an sg member you can't remove the security group status of a bug
# [00:26] <khuey> iirc
# [00:26] <njn> khuey: crap, I just realized that
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# [00:27] <MichaelKohler> at least the background looks prettier like that ;)
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# [00:27] <MichaelKohler> or, let's say "more colorful". it's actually not pretty at all :)
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# [00:34] <dft> clobber m-c builds are crashing on startup on Android for many of us.
# [00:34] <dft> we aren't sure why the Tegra's are happily running.
# [00:35] <dft> we'd like to close the tree to prevent further bustages.
# [00:35] <dft> lsblakk|buildduty: ^
# [00:35] <MichaelKohler> dveditz: when I remember correctly you're a sg member, is that right?
# [00:36] <dholbert> MichaelKohler, yes, he's in fact sg moderator -- see http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/secgrouplist.html
# [00:37] <MichaelKohler> I also asked in #security
# [00:37] <dft> lsblakk|buildduty: can you close the tree for me?
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# [00:38] <lsblakk|buildduty> bear ^^
# [00:38] <edmorley> dft: which>
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# [00:38] <tan> Pandora doesn't seem to work quite right on Nightly, anyone wanna test before I file, or should I just file it?
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# [00:38] <lsblakk|buildduty> dft: is there a bug number i can put on the tree closing message?
# [00:38] <bear> lsblakk|buildduty ??
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# [00:38] <lsblakk|buildduty> bear: 15:28 dft> clobber m-c builds are crashing on startup on Android for many of us.
# [00:38] <lsblakk|buildduty> 15:28 dft> we aren't sure why the Tegra's are happily running.
# [00:39] <edmorley> ehsan: debug tinderbox build failing with side-by-side configuration is incorrect :-( might just save until tomorrow and try to figure it + debugging with visual studio out then
# [00:39] <tan> (I can't click on any of the other stations I have)
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# [00:40] <dft> lsblakk|buildduty: no bug number yet.
# [00:40] <dft> i can file.
# [00:40] <dholbert> dft, android builds look pretty solid on tbpl
# [00:40] <jdm> ehsan: ping
# [00:40] <dholbert> dft, what is the win from tree-closure?
# [00:41] <dft> 717441
# [00:41] <dft> dholbert: read up
# [00:41] <dft> we don't know why the tegras are happy
# [00:41] <dft> none of our real devices startup up without a crash
# [00:42] <dft> the tegras are basically crap for test coverage
# [00:42] <dft> there are so few of those devices in the field.
# [00:42] <dft> and they only run 2.2
# [00:42] <ehsan> jdm: wassup?
# [00:42] * khuey mumbles something about android not really being a tier 1 platform
# [00:42] <dholbert> dft, before tree-closure, would it be worth triggering a clobber build on m-c (with a dummy push) to see if it affects tbpl post-clobber?
# [00:42] <ehsan> edmorley: I am fighting with *exactly* the same problem right now!
# [00:43] <dholbert> dft, (do we know if android builds on tbpl have gotten clobbers since this became a problem?)
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# [00:43] <jdm> ehsan: there's a student who wants to fix a couple firefox bugs for a class, and is supposed to submit a basic proposal tomorrow - I suggested bug 695829; would you be able to talk with them right now?
# [00:43] <edmorley> ehsan: glad it's not just me
# [00:44] <ehsan> jdm: talk over IRC?
# [00:44] <jdm> ehsan: yes
# [00:44] <ehsan> jdm: sure :)
# [00:44] <bear> dft - i'm looking at the tegra test log for a mochitest run of revision 7c7d2a8db7ff
# [00:44] <jdm> adeubank: meet ehsan!
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# [00:45] <bear> and i'm not seeing any errors during the install or test prep
# [00:45] <ehsan> adeubank: hello :)
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# [00:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8ffdb4c7404a - aceman - Bug 709486: Remove prefix "Warning" from xpcom chrome registration warning-message. r=bsmedberg
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# [00:51] <dholbert> btw, RE this issue dft was talking about: I made all of the next m-c android builds be clobbers, and pushed a trivial cset (noted there ^ by firebot) to get a build going
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# [00:56] <dholbert> bear, btw, I just closed the tree, at dougt's request
# [00:56] <dholbert> (the tree = m-c)
# [00:56] <bear> dholbert - thanks
# [00:56] * dholbert changes topic to 'Bug 701371 needs clobber on all platforms apart from Linux || m-c: CLOSED m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: January 31st || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [00:56] <dholbert> np
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# [00:57] <khuey> dholbert: going to back out dougt too?
# [00:57] <khuey> :-P
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# [00:57] <dholbert> khuey, does dougt have something that needs backing out?
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# [00:58] <dholbert> khuey, I'm just acting as dougt's proxy since his laptop is on a different floor from him at the moment. :)
# [00:58] <dholbert> (also, for any who hadn't figured it out, dft = dougt)
# [00:58] <khuey> dholbert: dougt always has something that needs backing out
# [00:58] <dholbert> khuey, ah, well that's true. :)
# [00:58] <khuey> ah
# [00:58] <khuey> I was wondering who that was
# [00:58] <dholbert> yeah, me too
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# [01:10] <dholbert> philor, ask dougt. :) (but basically it's "omg we just discovered that android clobber builds are busted and might have to back stuff out, hold off while we investigate")
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# [01:12] <philor> "the tests we don't believe in don't show a problem, so we should avoid putting more things that won't show a problem on top, because we might not see the second problem we wouldn't see because of the first problem we don't see"
# [01:12] <jhammel> hah!
# [01:12] <edmorley> philor++
# [01:13] <dholbert> philor, the tests might show a problem in the tipmost cset (it apparently only affects clobbers, and I'm not sure when the last android clobber was, but the tipmost push will definitely be a clobber)
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# [01:13] <mbrubeck> dholbert: Although 40c9f9ff9fd5 was also a clobber and has green tests
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# [01:13] <mbrubeck> and is after the range that dougt claims is broken.
# [01:14] <dholbert> mbrubeck, mm, dougt said you'd said something along those lines
# [01:14] <mbrubeck> According to chatter on #mobile, the crash might be debug-only
# [01:15] <mbrubeck> (which I asked about an hour ago but didn't get an answer)
# [01:15] <mbrubeck> My local opt builds have been running fine all day, as I mentioned to dougt earlier...
# [01:16] <dholbert> fortunately, closing m-c isn't as painful as it used to be, now that people can land on m-i
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# [01:17] <philor> gah, there's a test_writer_starvation xpcshell test, too?
# [01:17] <mbrubeck> So, could this be related to glandium's change that broke Android debug builds until the fixups landed?
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# [01:25] <sfink> anybody want to volunteer to be a crash test dummy for my implementation of |hg bzexport --new|? (Given a patch, create a new bug and attach the patch to the bug in one step, from the command line.) If so, please go ahead: http://bitbucket.org/sfink/bzexport/
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# [01:29] <philor> okay, so debug Android builds crash either on startup or on navigation, a fact which affects the tree absolutely not at all, because we do not ever start up debug Android builds because we can't do anything useful with them
# [01:29] <dholbert> sfink, can you also land the patch and resolve the bug, in the same step?
# [01:30] <NeilAway> darktrojan: when were you hoping to land?
# [01:30] <derf> dholbert: Land a patch without review?! I'm shocked, shocked that you would suggest such a thing.
# [01:30] <darktrojan> NeilAway, no hurry, just reminding you
# [01:30] <sfink> dholbert: no, that's when you leave off the --new flag and use the --outsource-to-3rd-world option. Which is even better than what you suggested, because you don't even have to write the patch.
# [01:30] <philor> so something may or may not have to be backed out, at some time in the future after someone does some debug Android builds and starts them up, but nothing on the tree will show anything any different before or after
# [01:30] <dholbert> sfink, the patch could add r=lumpy
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# [01:31] <philor> and to the best of anyone's knowledge, nobody is actually doing those debug builds, right?
# [01:31] <dholbert> philor, I think dougt is driving the tree-closure, and I'm not sure he's watching IRC at this point, since he's jumping back and forth between machines trying to figure out what's busted
# [01:31] <dholbert> philor, nobody but developers :)
# [01:32] <sfink> dholbert: there is a -r (--review) flag that will search the bugzilla users for matching substrings. It does an r? for each one that resolves uniquely, and gives a menu for those that resolve to multiple.
# [01:32] <dholbert> sfink, can it send email yet?
# [01:32] <mbrubeck> dougt, mfinkle: If this crash is debug-only, do we gain anything from keeping m-c closed?
# [01:32] <sfink> dholbert: sorry, I was working on the tetris feature first
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# [01:32] <dholbert> sfink, fair enough
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# [01:35] <dholbert> mbrubeck, just relayed your question to dougt. I think he's getting on IRC on his current machine if he isn't already on
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# [01:37] <dholbert> mbrubeck, dougt says he's OK with tree being reopened
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# [01:37] <dholbert> if the crash is debug-only
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# [01:38] <akeybl> Mossop: catlee-away: see jorge's latest email when you get the chance. we need to come up with a new signed add-on with a minor fix.
# [01:38] <Mossop> Yeah, on it
# [01:38] <dholbert> mbrubeck, I'll update /topic, since I've got the command in my xchat history
# [01:38] * dholbert changes topic to 'Bug 701371 needs clobber on all platforms apart from Linux || m-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: January 31st || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [01:38] <dholbert> mbrubeck, you already doing the admintrees part?
# [01:38] <mbrubeck> sure
# [01:38] <dholbert> mbrubeck, thanks
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# [02:00] <catlee-away> Mossop: ok, doing that now
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# [02:02] <philor> uh oh, some of the test runs on that clobbered Android build failed, that must mean...
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# [02:02] <catlee-away> akeybl, Mossop: the rest of releng also know how to do this
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# [02:02] <darktrojan> philor: ... business as usual?
# [02:03] <Mossop> catlee-away: Ah good to know, didn't know who had access to the signing machine
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# [02:09] <catlee-away> Mossop: how are we going to handle key renewals?
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# [02:11] <Mossop> catlee-away: Meant to start an email about that. We'll have to make sure we have a new cert ready a certain time before the old one expires so we can land its fingerprint in the tree before release
# [02:11] <catlee-away> how much lead time do we need?
# [02:12] <Callek> Mossop: can you please CC me on the "how do we handle key renewals" e-mail?
# [02:12] <catlee-away> and can we handle multiple fingerprints?
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# [02:13] <Mossop> catlee-away: We can support multiple finger prints. If we assume that we'd never want to hotfix an old release of Firefox (i.e. anything older than the current release version) then we'd only need to get the cert as far in advance of the release as the drivers are comfortable landing the pref change on the beta branch
# [02:14] <sfink> with MPL2.0, can we link GPLed code into libxul.so? Or does the new compatibility just mean that a different project could use both GPL and MPL2 code together? (I'd like to use libbfd)
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# [02:15] <Mossop> sfink: I believe it allows you to use MPL2 code in a GPL project, I am not sure about the other way (I suspect not)
# [02:15] <Callek> Mossop: does ESL play into the "how far ahead" plan, or no?
# [02:15] <sfink> Mossop: that's what I'm guessing, but was hoping for a 2nd opinion
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# [02:18] <bjacob> sfink: due to the nature of the GPL itself, if you link to GPL you are subject to GPL licensing
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# [02:18] <bjacob> it's nothing to do with the MPL
# [02:18] <Mossop> catlee-away: I'll start a thread about it tomorrow, need to think a little about it
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# [02:23] <sfink> bjacob: right... but we follow the conditions of the GPL now, right? Does the GPL say that derived works must be licensed under the GPL, or just that they must follow the conditions of the GPL?
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# [02:25] <sstangl> sfink: GPL derivatives must be GPL.
# [02:25] <sfink> ok
# [02:25] <bjacob> that is called "strong copyleft"
# [02:25] <bjacob> LGPL is weaker copyleft, with corner cases
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# [02:25] <bjacob> MPL is truly weak copyleft
# [02:26] <sfink> I thought strong vs weak was just whether linking implied derivation
# [02:27] <bjacob> it's more general, see e.g. the case of a headers-only c++ library
# [02:27] <sstangl> sfink: the GPL requires you to provide every source file used in creating the object file that you distributed. Those source files do not have to be GPL (but must be GPL-compatible).
# [02:27] <bjacob> it's a bad idea to phrase licenses in terms of "linking" as that makes them specific to specific cases (C libraries, etc)
# [02:28] <sstangl> i.e., they cannot restrict the freedoms of users.
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# [02:30] <sfink> sstangl: but the MPL2 does not restrict the freedoms of users (under the GPL definition), unlike the previous MPL. What you just said seems to be different from what you said previously. Which means I'm misunderstanding sometihng.
# [02:31] <sstangl> sfink: right, so we can link together MPL2 and GPL code to create an object file to be distributed. But when we distribute that object file, the GPL requires that full source be available in a GPL-compatible license.
# [02:31] <sstangl> MPL2 is GPL-compatible, so we're fine.
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# [02:32] <sstangl> the executable as a whole is subject to the terms of *both* the MPL2 and the GPL (and whatever other licenses got in there), and can only be distributed if you can fulfill all the requirements from all the various licenses.
# [02:32] <sfink> sstangl: er... so then can I land code to our tree that links in a GPLed library? I'm confused.
# [02:34] <sstangl> sfink: you would want to check with the maintainers/legal to make sure that we are OK with making downstream FF users subject to GPL redistribution requirements.
# [02:34] <sfink> sstangl: right, that makes sense to me. (And I'm guessing that we wouldn't want to do so.)
# [02:34] <Mook_as> actually, downstream libxul users, which means a superset
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# [03:35] <jgilbert> what should I use for a mutex?
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# [03:39] <edmorley> njn: and then doesn't log me in 50% of the time unless i return to homepage, try again and then crtl+F5
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# [03:40] <njn> edmorley: yeah, the integration is awful
# [03:40] <njn> edmorley: I hit "edit" and it says "you're already logged in"
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# [03:40] <njn> edmorley: I hope that's MDN's fault and not typical behaviour for BrowserID
# [03:40] <edmorley> sheppy and co deserve a medal for using MDN day in, day out (mainly the editor, which never seems to play nicely with me)
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# [03:40] <edmorley> njn: browserid for mozillians was slick
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# [03:41] <edmorley> it Just Worked
# [03:41] <njn> edmorley: good to hear
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# [03:43] <mwu> jgilbert: mozilla::Mutex?
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# [03:43] <mwu> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/glue/Mutex.h
# [03:43] <jgilbert> derp
# [03:43] <jgilbert> thanks mwu
# [03:43] <mwu> np
# [03:43] <mwu> it's unexpected because it makes sense
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# [03:45] <darktrojan> edmorley, hmm, the /en/ and /en-US/ bits of devmo seem to do signin differently, one has a browserid button in the header and the other doesn't
# [03:46] <njn> darktrojan: only the en-US locale is BrowserID-enabled
# [03:46] <darktrojan> oh yeah
# [03:46] * darktrojan forgot
# [03:46] <darktrojan> maybe en should be as well?
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# [03:48] <Unfocused> or maybe it should support localization from the start...
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# [03:49] <darktrojan> mdn? or browserid?
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# [03:49] <Unfocused> browserid
# [03:50] <darktrojan> yeah, it really needs some more work
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# [04:13] <@bz> anyone here have a bluetooth headset they'd recommend?
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# [04:13] <@bz> should be able to work with Mac laptops (though I assume this should be the case for any bluetooth thingie)
# [04:13] <Anarchy> any one know of a good way to add 150 certs using certutil?
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# [05:19] <joe> i'm having like 0.7-1.5s CCs right now
# [05:19] <joe> just scrolling around reddit
# [05:20] <joe> hm, probably bug 702813
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# [07:28] <jdm> smaug: there are some students excited about implementing the focusin/focusout events for a class project, and they've got about 9 weeks to do so. do you think that's a sane project?
# [07:29] <@smaug> jdm: what kind experience do they have?
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# [07:29] <@smaug> sounds good project if they have experience in C++
# [07:29] <jdm> smaug: they said they were looking for java/c++ work; that's all I know.
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# [07:30] <@smaug> and especially if they already know how to compile Firefox ;)
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# [07:31] <@smaug> focusin/out can be tricky, but also something where a student can actually learn new stuff
# [07:31] <@smaug> need to think about security and when to run code..
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# [07:35] <Callek> yea if someone implements a way for scripts to create popups/outs or XSS injections with focusin/out events, I'll be really sad
# [07:36] <Callek> but if those issues are not there, then I'll similarly be really really happy
# [07:36] <Callek> (p.s. I expect it to be hard to code-in an extra XSS attack surface with focusin/out that doesn't already exist elsewhere)
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# [07:47] <Callek> KWierso: depends on when you |mount / -o remount|
# [07:47] <Callek> :-P
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# [07:47] <KWierso> meh, it just loaded
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# [07:47] <Callek> (really I doubt that my statement would have helped much if at all)
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# [08:49] <darktrojan> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482975 has gone random green :-/
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# [08:52] <philor> it wasn't one of my first bets, but I'm starting to lay off a little money on it being the first orange bug to hit 1000 comments
# [08:52] <darktrojan> even with it disabled on mac
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# [08:54] <glazou> bonjour
# [08:54] <philor> Linux32 is more than willing to carry Mac's water, and because it's an easy thing to star, and people like easy things to star in their first results, on Linux, the frequency doesn't annoy as much as it might elsewhere
# [08:56] <glob> philor,bug 551540 is pretty close
# [08:57] <glob> awww, but test disabled
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# [08:59] <philor> yeah, it takes a pretty thoroughly unowned test to make it much past #c900 without the brakes going on
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# [09:00] <philor> but with the way the rate of 482975 is increasing, it would have to get owned within the next few weeks
# [09:01] <darktrojan> erk, what a horrible test
# [09:01] * glob adds "collapse tinderboxPushlog Comments" :)
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# [09:02] <Mitch> > /dev/null
# [09:02] <glob> bmo has just been updated; http://bugzil.la/715650,715771,715228,715467,685909,715477,716745,716460,715806,712052,716059,714370,717502,715424,706753,714664,715705,716283
# [09:03] <glob> in case of stranger-than-normal behaviour, don't hesitate to ping me
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# [09:03] <Callek> glob: "collapse tinderboxPushlog Comments" doesn't help when the commenter is philor's user doing tbpl bug-commenting
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# [09:06] <philor> glob: my list of things I still miss from bugzilla tweaks has gotten small: dropping "Bug " from the title, and expanding the comment textarea before I focus it
# [09:06] <glob> philor, bugzilla does the 2nd one already
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# [09:07] <glob> oh, "before you focus it"
# [09:07] <philor> "before I focus it"
# [09:07] <glob> snap
# [09:07] <glob> hrm, layout badness
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# [09:08] <mib_fgxobm> hi
# [09:08] <mib_fgxobm> When you run Firefox under GDB
# [09:08] <philor> as in, when I restore a session with twenty half-done comments in twenty tabs, all named /Bug 700...\
# [09:08] <mib_fgxobm> Error appears :
# [09:08] <mib_fgxobm> : Error from Debugger: mi_cmd_stack_list_frames: Not enough frames in stack
# [09:09] <mib_fgxobm> http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq217/movh/086bee9b.png
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# [09:09] <mib_fgxobm> What is the correct way to run under GDB?
# [09:10] <philor> oh, cruel, Collapse TinderboxPushlog Comments but no Expand TinderboxPushlog Comments
# [09:11] <Callek> glob: ugh, skimming that list of bugs, I see: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714370 which, welll... read the comments after the approval request
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# [09:12] <glob> Callek, yeah; i saw that. we're good for now because how they are being used right now won't be touched by that problem
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# [09:13] <Callek> glob: just figured I'd point it out to you, and let you deal with it ;-)
# [09:13] <glob> Callek, thanks :)
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# [09:17] <glob> Callek, do you have an example of philor's user tbpl commenting?
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# [09:17] <Callek> glob: at hand, no :(
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# [09:18] <Callek> (iirc though, its just normal philor bugzilla user, but using his own local instance of tbpl for starring)
# [09:18] <glob> sounds like madness :)
# [09:19] <philor> don't think so, you're probably thinking of a month or so when I didn't have tbplbot's password so I created a separate user
# [09:20] <glob> if it's a user that's only used for tbpl comments, i can add it to the list
# [09:20] <glob> i have to do another push soon anyhow :)
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# [09:21] <philor> was used, long ago, for a short time
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# [09:25] <Callek> philor: well if it is a separate user, might as well add it, since -- imo -- it makes sense to collapse ALL tbpl-based comments when using that feature, even if they were "really old, and philors magic case"
# [09:26] <philor> feel free
# [09:26] <Callek> glob|away: if you're doing another push here (today), means I am curious as to what that is
# [09:27] <glob|away> Callek, the layout of bugs with lots of dependancies/blockers/dupes is wrong; eg bug 175193
# [09:27] <glob|away> Callek, should be a 50/50 split between the two columns
# [09:28] <Callek> glob|away: ooo so you mean the left column of bug info itself is taking up too much space? gotchya
# [09:28] <glob|away> Callek, roger
# [09:28] <darktrojan> wfm
# [09:28] <Callek> (hard to tell on my screen size, but hey I understand)
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# [09:52] <philor> could someone please open the logs for the two remaining things in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora&onlyunstarred=1, find that they are both 50MB of "test_writer_starvation.html | yadda" repeated over and over, and tell me that that's what they are?
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# [10:00] <khuey> philor: logs don't want to load
# [10:00] <ewong> I'm getting connection interupted...
# [10:01] <philor> yeah, test_writer_starvation will do that
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# [10:02] <philor> sorry, I forgot the other fun step, where you have to open a log for a different test on the same build, so you can get the "download full log" link to ftp.m.o, trim off the filename, find the m-2 file, ...
# [10:03] <philor> and yes, i do know how to do a lot of things that make my brain burn to think about
# [10:03] <philor> and the first one is indeed test_writer_starvation
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# [10:05] <philor> and no surprise, so is the other
# [10:06] <darktrojan> ... as I was saying ...
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# [10:07] <philor> I can't believe you let poor gabor use that cursed test name again
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# [10:13] <philor> wow, that late already?
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# [10:14] <Ms2ger> See you, philor
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# [10:44] <edmorley> mak: seems like the V8 values have bounced back after bug 717208 after all...
# [10:45] <edmorley> mak: fake regression perhaps wasn't so fake after all
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# [10:51] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, well, now we've got #developers archived, I can nag you now about nsPrintfCString :)
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# [10:52] <glob|away> ow
# [10:52] <glazou> hmmm the rpm packager in packager.mk cannot be used for a xulrunner-based app w/o hacking toolkit/mozapps/installer/packager.mk... :-(
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# [11:58] <stefanh_netbook> dao: do you know when you'll get to bug 713446?
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# [12:19] <lesshaste> hi
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# [12:56] <hsivonen> I could use a synonym for non-incremental that doesn't contain a negation
# [12:56] <hsivonen> RunsToCompletion maybe
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# [13:16] <Drugoy> hello everyone. Could anyone please tell me what's the purpose of the "menu>view>page style" list? How can a site add multiple styles to that list?
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# [13:17] <Ms2ger> <link rel="stylesheet alternate" src="orange.css" title="Orange style">
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# [13:18] <Drugoy> are you sure that site may add _multiple_ styles to that list using this way?
# [13:19] <Ms2ger> Sure, with different titles
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# [13:25] <Drugoy> can I add my own userstyles to that list?
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# [13:29] <Drugoy> because sites that offer users different styles usually do it as a setting on the page. So this whole list is not really popular, I guess some users sometimes chose "no style" from that list - but why not change the list into a checkbox then? "disable site styles"
# [13:29] <hsivonen> how do I mark a bug as a project Snappy candidate without assigning a priority myself?
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# [13:29] <hsivonen> what do I put in the whiteboard?
# [13:30] <khuey> [Snappy]
# [13:30] <hsivonen> khuey: thanks
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# [13:54] <reuben> is news.m.o timing out for anyone else?
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# [14:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0ef29ddd07e5 - Jignesh Kakadiya - Bug 673689 Introduced name space role. r=tbsaunde
# [14:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8f723d91fb82 - Hub Figuière - Bug 714976 - The role description should be HTML Content. r=tbsaunde
# [14:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b3b1353ad677 - Marco Zehe - Merging m-c to accessibility
# [14:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/90a2cc46965d - Trevor Saunders - bug 673689 - fix some new places where nsIAccessibleRole::ROLE_FOO was added r=me
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# [14:11] <bjacob> hey, I put FAIL_ON_WARNINGS = 1 in a Makefile.in but it's not taking effect locally, here on linux. Is this only for the build slaves?
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# [14:11] <bjacob> mounir: ^
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# [14:13] <khuey> did you configure with --enable-warnings-as-errors?
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# [14:14] <bjacob> khuey: i didnt but i thought that was default now
# [14:14] <bjacob> ok
# [14:14] <bjacob> ah i see, it's enabled on build slaves
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# [14:16] <Ms2ger> Indeed
# [14:16] <rag> I'm using the slider XUL component <scale> and I'm trying to change its background. I have tried the .style property for background with no success. Does anybody know how to do it?
# [14:16] <bjacob> i would say this should be default: most people are interested in catching locally what will cause errors on builders
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# [14:19] <khuey> it's not the default because what warnings you get is highly sensitive to the compiler and the environment
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# [14:30] <edmorley> jfkthame_afk: sorry, your inbound push appears to be crashing
# [14:30] <jfkthame_afk> edmorley: ugh....
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# [14:31] <jfkthame> yikes
# [14:31] <Ms2ger> A bit, yes
# [14:31] <jfkthame> wanna back out, or shall i start prepping it?
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# [14:32] <edmorley> I can do if that helps? both?
# [14:32] <jfkthame> yeah, just back them both out and i'll look into it later
# [14:32] <jfkthame> thanks
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# [14:34] <edmorley> np
# [14:34] <jfkthame> actually, it must be bug 708075 from the looks of the log
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# [14:34] <edmorley> yeah given the stacktrace
# [14:34] <jfkthame> but i don't mind if you backout one or both csets
# [14:35] * jfkthame can't imagine how nathan's patch could cause any trouble, but has been wrong enough times before.....
# [14:35] <edmorley> the backout script was already running, so both if that's ok, or I'll have to pop, delete and start again
# [14:35] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: r=me is usually unhelpful ;-)
# [14:36] <jfkthame> just go ahead with both, i'll re-push it later
# [14:36] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, r=me :)
# [14:37] <edmorley> there's always one... :P
# [14:37] <edmorley> jfkthame: thanks :-) makes talos graphs and emails easier to follow too
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# [14:40] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: want to sugggest something else?
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# [14:40] <tbsaunde> I thought you needed something to get past the hook
# [14:40] <edmorley> huh, the "What do these fields mean?" link on the bug summary is new
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# [14:41] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [14:41] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, you don't actually need r= at this point
# [14:41] <Ms2ger> Just the bug number
# [14:42] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: ok then
# [14:42] <jfkthame> OTOH, assuming the patch should be reviewed before landing, it's nice to record that it's happened
# [14:43] <jfkthame> so r=tbsaunde is what i'd have expected to see
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# [14:57] <lesshaste> if you go to http://www.ice.gov/sevis/i901/ and click print preview in firefox you get two empty pages. Does anyone else see this?
# [14:57] <lesshaste> well.. almost completely empty
# [14:58] <khuey> yes, I see it too
# [14:58] <khuey> smaug: ^
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# [14:59] <lesshaste> ah :(
# [14:59] <lesshaste> I was hoping it was just me
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# [15:13] <@smaug> lesshaste: could you file a bug
# [15:13] <@smaug> cc me (:smaug)
# [15:14] <@smaug> hsivonen: will you attend the work week in March ? (and have you found any reasonable flights ?)
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# [15:16] <@smaug> though, I think that printing problem is a layout bug
# [15:17] <Ms2ger> It's work week after work week around here, is it? :)
# [15:17] <@smaug> yup
# [15:18] <@smaug> Ms2ger: if "here" is "Europe"
# [15:18] <Ms2ger> .. It may me :)
# [15:18] <Ms2ger> be, even
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# [15:21] <@smaug> need to plant some more trees
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# [15:31] <bsmedberg> khuey: let's just get rid of reference counting...
# [15:32] <khuey> bsmedberg: not sure how that would help ...
# [15:32] <bsmedberg> well, I guess it depend on the kind of leak
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# [15:33] <khuey> bsmedberg: most of what I've seen is longlived chrome UI storing content jsobjects
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# [15:34] <bsmedberg> ok admittedly removing refcounting won't solve that, although it would make it easier to debug probably
# [15:34] <khuey> yeah debugging this is a PITA
# [15:34] <khuey> mostly because there's no in tree way to get a JS heap dump
# [15:35] <khuey> and people keep bitrotting the patch in my queue
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# [15:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cab1a867f0bd - Kyle Huey - Bug 717549: Drop the reference to the content editor when the spell checking UI is reset to prevent zombie compartments. r=dao
# [15:44] <armenzg_> Bas: good morning Bas. do you know who from gfx could comment on what to do with non-accelerated reftests? Thanks! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713422
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# [15:47] <jesup> khuey++
# [15:47] <khuey> jesup: filed to fixed in 3.5 hours :-D
# [15:48] <Ms2ger> Slow. :)
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# [15:48] <khuey> don't make me come over there
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# [15:49] <jesup> khuey: careful, that might be a fun trip
# [15:50] <khuey> jesup: just a few hours on a train or two, presumably
# [15:51] <jesup> Ms2ger: where are you?
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# [15:52] <gandalf> hsivonen: ping
# [15:52] <khuey> somewhere in the netherlands, iirc
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# [15:53] <gandalf> khuey: you mean not online?
# [15:55] <AryehGregor> jfkthame, re <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716229>: I'm using latest nightly (2012-01-11) and still seeing the issue. Is it supposed to be fixed yet in nightlies, given that the patch landed in mozilla-central on January 10?
# [15:55] <khuey> gandalf: hmm?
# [15:55] <gandalf> lol
# [15:56] <gandalf> khuey: I was pretty sure you're tracerouting my ping to hsivonen :D
# [15:56] <khuey> lol
# [15:56] <khuey> no
# [15:56] <khuey> Ms2ger
# [15:58] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, what revision does your about:buildconfig list?
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# [15:59] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, looks like r84108, or at least that occurs in the paths. Do nightlies lag mozilla-central by that much?
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# [16:00] <Ms2ger> 9c2ca2a79d79 claims to be r84151
# [16:00] <AryehGregor> Right.
# [16:01] <Ms2ger> AIUI, the nightlies use the newest revision that has already successfully compiled
# [16:01] <AryehGregor> So if something breaks the build, nightlies will freeze for a while?
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# [16:01] <khuey> it's more complicated than that
# [16:01] <edmorley> AryehGregor: if you go to https://tbpl.mozilla.org/ and down arrow, you can see the last nightly, by looking out for the "N" next to the "B"s
# [16:01] <reuben> does anyone here use Eclipse CDT with m-c?
# [16:01] <khuey> I believe it's "successfully ran tests"
# [16:02] <khuey> which pushes it back several hours
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# [16:04] <@bz> can anyone here recommend a bluetooth headset?
# [16:04] <jwatt> reuben: I do, but can you wait until the weekend to set it up?
# [16:05] <jwatt> reuben: I'm in the middle of writing docs on how to set it up
# [16:05] <reuben> jwatt, oh hai
# [16:05] <reuben> jwatt, nice! I'll wait then :)
# [16:05] <jwatt> reuben: in fact maybe you could be my guinne pig? :)
# [16:05] <reuben> jwatt, Juno + CDT has been giving me a hard time
# [16:05] <reuben> sounds interesting!
# [16:05] <jwatt> reuben: my setup instructions will be for Juno
# [16:06] <jwatt> reuben: mail me and I'll email you back when I'm ready to get your feedback: jwatt@jwatt.org
# [16:06] <jwatt> bz: does it have to be bluetooth, or would wireless do?
# [16:06] <stefanh> rag: I dunno, but it's styled with -moz-appearance in the theme files (class level), so maybe you first need to override that with '-moz-appearance: none'
# [16:06] <stefanh> oh, he left
# [16:07] <@bz> jwatt: main criteria are "works with a mac laptop" and "small"
# [16:07] <@bz> jwatt: however that's achieved
# [16:08] <reuben> jwatt, sent! in the mean time I'll try xcode :)
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# [16:10] <jwatt> bz: I really like my old set of http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-ClearChat-Wireless-USB-Headset/dp/B0015EY5RE/
# [16:10] <jwatt> but apparently others (in the reviews) aren't so hot on it
# [16:11] <jwatt> reuben: cool
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# [16:13] <jfkthame> AryehGregor: sounds like you got an answer - it should be fixed in the next nightly. please re-open the bug if you still see problems after that
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# [16:13] <AryehGregor> jfkthame, thanks.
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# [16:14] <@bz> jwatt: thanks, will look!
# [16:14] <jwatt> np
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# [16:20] <robcee> what hooks are on hg right now?
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# [16:20] <robcee> joe's trying to backout from fx-team because of a bad commit message and hg is not allowing him due to a "bad commit message" that looks perfectly reasonable
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# [16:22] <robcee> commit message is: Backout changeset 05f3cb:13e49 missing reviewer from comment, a=robcee
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# [16:22] <robcee> why would that fail?
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# [16:22] <ttaubert> no bug number?
# [16:22] <robcee> I've used strings without bug numbers for backouts before without issue
# [16:23] <ttaubert> doesn't hurt :) I hate searching the corresponding bug # for a backout
# [16:23] <robcee> yeah, no bug number
# [16:23] <espindola> !seen dolske
# [16:23] <robcee> that's a new hook :/
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# [16:24] <catlee> robcee: look in http://hg.mozilla.org/hgcustom/hghooks/ maybe
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# [16:24] <catlee> http://hg.mozilla.org/hgcustom/hghooks/file/efc54d556b8e/mozhghooks/commit-message.py#l32
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# [16:32] <robcee> thanks
# [16:32] <evilpie> you need backout + 12 digit identifier
# [16:33] <robcee> ah, so you need the full revision id
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# [16:41] <mak> edmorley: yeah, thanks, I was just looking at that :)
# [16:42] <mak> edmorley: uh he is online now
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# [16:42] <edmorley> too late, done
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# [16:42] <edmorley> (and I think we need to start more rigidly enforcing no more in-places fixes)
# [16:43] <edmorley> :-)
# [16:43] <mak> I agree, the problem is that anyone else disagrees :p
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# [16:49] <BenWa> Did we hit technical challenges? Or was the data not useful?
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# [17:30] <@smaug> jlebar: I don't understand "Also, with the current API, you specify the events you want once, whereas with this proposed API, you'd have to specify them twice."
# [17:30] <Ms2ger> "We are excited to announce that our new San Francisco space was launched in September 2012"
# [17:31] <Ms2ger> Time machine?
# [17:31] <khuey> magic
# [17:31] <@smaug> haven't you heard of the new time browser ?
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# [17:32] <@smaug> next generation native html5 browser
# [17:32] <jgilbert> time cube?
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# [17:33] <jesup> You can get it in FF, just install the Time Travel extension. Traveling backwards in time is handy for dealing with leaky extensions, too, or skipping past a long CC. :-)
# [17:33] <gabor> can someone hit up bugzilla in that time browser for me?
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# [17:33] <glob> gabor, ?
# [17:34] <jgilbert> gabor: I cc'd you, but we haven't gotten to then yet
# [17:34] <gabor> jgilbert++
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# [17:37] <armenzg> philor: I rebooted some r3-fed slaves by mistake
# [17:37] <armenzg> talos-r3-fed-0{06,13,24,27,29,30,36,57,75}
# [17:37] <armenzg> it should have been "fed64" instead :S
# [17:38] <philor> armenzg: so I might see surprise purple from them?
# [17:38] <armenzg> philor: right
# [17:38] <philor> thanks
# [17:38] <@bz> is there a bug filed on jsfiddle being broken?
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# [17:38] <Ms2ger> Haven't seen any
# [17:39] <@bz> hrm
# [17:39] * @bz wonders whether it's just him
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# [17:39] <Ms2ger> Link?
# [17:39] <@bz> Ms2ger: http://jsfiddle.net/mathias/wvPdr/
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# [17:39] <@bz> Ms2ger: you on a nightly?
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# [17:39] <@bz> or for that matter....
# [17:39] <@bz> http://jsfiddle.net/5a9k2/7/
# [17:39] <@bz> same deal
# [17:39] <Ms2ger> No, recentish own build
# [17:39] <@bz> well, check anyway
# [17:40] * @bz sees it with today's nightly
# [17:40] <@bz> and Jan 10
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# [17:40] <@bz> But not Jan 6
# [17:40] <@bz> so pretty recent regression
# [17:40] <Ms2ger> Don't see anything wrong
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# [17:40] <@bz> interesting
# [17:40] <Ms2ger> Jan 8
# [17:40] <@bz> yeah
# [17:40] <@bz> jan 8 worksforme too
# [17:40] <@bz> "get a newer build"
# [17:40] <Ms2ger> (cf8c9f9aeefc)
# [17:41] <@bz> yep
# [17:41] <ehsan> smaug: I started testing your latest build with ABP
# [17:41] <lurking> layout looks broken
# [17:41] <@bz> that's the jan 8 nightly changeset
# [17:41] <ehsan> fingers crossed
# [17:41] <Ms2ger> Purely coincidental
# [17:41] <@bz> jan 9 works 100
# [17:41] <@bz> er, works too
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# [17:42] <jlebar> smaug, With the proposed API, you'd have to name the events you want in the <iframe>, and also in the switch statement you'd need to write.
# [17:44] <@smaug> ehsan: thanks!
# [17:44] <jlebar> smaug, Whereas with what's in the patch, you just do addListener("location", function() { // I handle location change events });
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# [17:44] <@smaug> jlebar: you add just one event listener
# [17:44] <jlebar> smaug, right.
# [17:45] <@smaug> jlebar: iframe.addEventListener("propertychange", listener)
# [17:45] <jlebar> smaug, here, I'll write up what I mean. Sec.
# [17:45] <@smaug> then the propertynames would be listed just in the switch-case
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# [17:46] <@smaug> no need to call several callback registration methods
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# [17:46] <jlebar> smaug, your suggestion as I recall from reading on IRC was to specify the events you wanted in the iframe.
# [17:47] <jlebar> that is, <iframe browser events_i_want="location load">
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# [17:47] <@smaug> jlebar: we could have a filter in the iframe
# [17:47] <@smaug> if needed
# [17:47] <jlebar> smaug, it's that filter, or the necessity of it, that I'm not wild about.
# [17:47] <jlebar> because, with the filter, you write everything twice.
# [17:47] <@smaug> it is not events_i_want
# [17:47] <@smaug> but property_changes_I_want
# [17:48] <jlebar> well, the "load" thing isn't a property change.
# [17:48] <jlebar> I know they're all coming through in one event.
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# [17:48] <@smaug> well, how is load not a property change?
# [17:48] <@smaug> state change then
# [17:48] <jlebar> smaug, Because we fire it even if you're changing from state "loading" to state "loading".
# [17:48] <jlebar> If you navigate during a load.
# [17:49] <@smaug> so?
# [17:49] <jlebar> that's not a state change.
# [17:49] <@smaug> it is a statechange
# [17:49] <jlebar> The state stayed the same. The load just restarted. :)
# [17:49] <jlebar> The state was loading before, it's loading after.
# [17:49] <@smaug> the load refers to the previous load
# [17:49] <@smaug> and a new one was started
# [17:49] <jlebar> Yes, but the state "is the iframe loading?" did not change.
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# [17:50] <jlebar> smaug, But this is a tangent. :)
# [17:51] <jlebar> smaug, Do you think a switch statement is better than multiple calls to addEventListener?
# [17:51] <@smaug> jlebar: I suggested using events mainly because that doesn't pollute iframe API with new methods
# [17:52] <jorendorff> Is it intentional that on a MacBook, fn+left and fn+right aren't treated as Home and End?
# [17:52] <jlebar> smaug, We're already adding one for get-property. Unless you have a way to get around that, too?
# [17:52] <jorendorff> oh wait, sometimes they are, just in inputs and textareas they don't do anything
# [17:52] <jlebar> smaug, Not that two wrongs make a right, or anything, but the marginal badness of the second one is less than the first one. :)
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# [17:53] <jorendorff> two wrongs make a pattern
# [17:53] <@smaug> jlebar: you wouldn't need tohave get*
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# [17:53] <@smaug> jlebar: event would be just fired when iframe is added to dom
# [17:53] <@smaug> then js code could cache the value
# [17:53] <jlebar> smaug, From a usability perspective, I'd really like to have get*, rather than just change notifications.
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# [17:55] <@smaug> I'm not sure get* is better than normal event listeners
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# [17:56] <@smaug> from usability perspective
# [17:56] <jlebar> smaug, because they're async?
# [17:56] <@smaug> get* is also async
# [17:56] <khuey> woah
# [17:56] <@smaug> so, yes
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# [17:56] <jlebar> smaug, that's what I mean -- get* isn't particularly useful because it's async?
# [17:57] <@smaug> since both are async
# [17:57] <khuey> the new "My Requests" page messes with my head
# [17:57] <jlebar> smaug, that could be.
# [17:58] <@smaug> khuey: blame me
# [17:58] <@smaug> I asked for that change
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# [17:58] <@smaug> jlebar: in general I'd like b2g stuff to pollute current APIs as little as possible
# [17:58] <@smaug> (though, I certainly don't know much about b2g )
# [17:59] <jlebar> smaug, what's a b2g api? I thought it was all the web. :-p
# [17:59] <khuey> did we ever unthrottle 9.0 updates?
# [17:59] <jlebar> smaug, yours is a fair point.
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# [17:59] <@smaug> jlebar: whatever b2g does isn't standardized atm
# [18:00] <@smaug> jlebar: b2g APIs will change a lot while being standardized
# [18:00] <jlebar> smaug, well sure, but we pollute the namespace with unstandardized stuff all the time.
# [18:00] <@smaug> I mean, b2g additions
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# [18:00] <@smaug> we do?
# [18:00] <jlebar> smaug, sure, we vendor-prefix things?
# [18:00] <@smaug> not at all all the time
# [18:01] <jlebar> smaug, Only on Tuesdays?
# [18:01] <@smaug> usually only with stuff which is at least roughly spec'ed somewhere
# [18:01] <jlebar> smaug, You mean, we don't take it lightly? I see.
# [18:01] <jlebar> smaug, This is interesting, though:
# [18:01] <jlebar> smaug, Because we're developing these APIs "backwards" -- implementing them before we spec them -- you think that, at least until they're spec'ed, they should hide from the global namespace as much as possible?
# [18:02] <Ms2ger> Or perhaps spec first
# [18:02] <@smaug> I think the new stuff should utilize the existing APIs when possible
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# [18:02] <jlebar> smaug, That's an orthogonal point.
# [18:02] <@smaug> that way it is more likely that the new stuff gets spec'ed and approved by other player
# [18:02] <jlebar> <smaug> usually only with stuff which is at least roughly spec'ed somewhere
# [18:02] <@smaug> players
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# [18:03] <jlebar> I'm speaking just to your point that we do (and, it seems, you think, *should*) only put things in the global namespace which we've roughly spec'ed.
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# [18:04] <jlebar> Ms2ger, I like specs, but I also like not writing them until there's one user. And before we can have a user, we need to check it into gecko so gaia can use it. And smaug's reasoning seems to lead us to avoiding the global namespace for all these APIs, simply because we want to implement before we spec.
# [18:05] <@smaug> jlebar: I'm not saying that don't do something before a spec. I'm saying: try to use the existing APIs as much as possible, so you don't need to spec so much afterwards
# [18:06] <jgilbert> prefix all the things?
# [18:06] <Ms2ger> Definitely
# [18:06] <jlebar> smaug, I can get behind that.
# [18:06] <@smaug> jlebar: also, totally new APIs tend to be harder to get through standardization.
# [18:07] * @smaug has said no *many* times to the silly APIs proposed by Google ;)
# [18:07] <jdm> hsivonen: so for bug 717566, instead of obtaining an nsILocalFile, creating a stream, and parsing from the stream, we should use something that gets a string of the contes, then parses from that?
# [18:07] <jdm> s/contes/contents/
# [18:08] <Ms2ger> jdm, note bz's comments in the blocking bug
# [18:08] <jlebar> smaug, I suspect that the "b2g APIs" will either sail through on b2g's incredible momentum, or flop as a result of b2g's abject failure.
# [18:08] <jlebar> smaug, But maybe that's naive. :)
# [18:08] <jlebar> smaug, Anyway, I understand your point. I'll rewrite the APIs.
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# [18:09] <jlebar> smaug, Would you like a rollup patch, or a patch on top of the ones you've already reviewed?
# [18:09] <@smaug> jlebar: it should be reasonable easy to just dispatch events and not use callbacks
# [18:09] <@smaug> jlebar: could you create a patch which contains everything
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# [18:09] <@smaug> much easier to review that
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# [18:09] <jlebar> smaug, Yes, I can!
# [18:09] <@smaug> thanks
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# [18:11] <@smaug> jlebar: and sorry. I should have thought about event based API earlier
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# [18:12] <@smaug> (if we end up implementing Filesystem API, we should probably simplify that quite a bit and make it event based)
# [18:12] <jlebar> smaug, No worries; like you said, it's easy to do. I just wanted to understand why it was a better API.
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# [18:13] <@smaug> jlebar: not better, but hopefully not worse either, but reuses existing APIs :)
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# [18:15] <espindola> !seen igor
# [18:15] <firebot> igor was last seen 4 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours and 51 seconds ago, saying 'is it ok to land js/src-only warning fix from bug 708548?' in #developers.
# [18:16] <espindola> gah
# [18:16] <espindola> anyone else familiar with the conservative gc?
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# [18:20] <NeilAway> jorendorff: what's fn+left in old currency?
# [18:20] <Ms2ger> 3s6p
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# [18:21] <jorendorff> whoa
# [18:21] <jorendorff> Ms2ger: i had literally just typed "3 shillings 6"
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# [18:21] <Ms2ger> Sick minds think alike?
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# [18:23] <NeilAway> jorendorff: iirc we have alt+left which is word previous and cmd+left which is begin line, so I don't know what you think fn+left does
# [18:23] <NeilAway> jorendorff: oh, does it scroll to the top of the browser/textarea (without moving the caret)?
# [18:24] <jorendorff> ah, yes it does
# [18:24] <jorendorff> fn+left is Home on MacBooks, dating back forever
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# [18:24] <jorendorff> but Home doesn't do what I thought it did
# [18:24] <NeilAway> jorendorff: yeah, apparently that behaviour is intentional on the Mac
# [18:24] <NeilAway> jorendorff: you want cmd+left I guess
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# [18:25] <jorendorff> UI snafus are so much worse when it's mac
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# [18:27] <jlebar> taras, What's the bug for telemetry a/b testing?
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# [18:34] <Cww> smaug: what's up?
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# [18:34] <@smaug> Cww: hmm, I pinged long ago...
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# [18:34] <@smaug> Cww: I guess mccr8 has your cc logs
# [18:35] <mccr8> smaug: yes, he sent me a link.
# [18:35] <Cww> smaug: yeah.
# [18:35] <Cww> smaug: sorry, I was asleep by 10:30.
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# [18:35] <mccr8> I should download that. I've been looking at somebody else's logs.
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# [18:43] <jdm> sfink: I think using bzexport to create bugs without attachments is... weird
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# [18:44] <@smaug> tryserver, don't be so slow, please
# [18:45] <Ms2ger> jdm, I'd use that :)
# [18:45] <jdm> Ms2ger: I know you would, but I don't think bzexport is the right tool for it
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# [18:46] <jdm> Ms2ger: I'm pretty sure there are other console bugzilla tools that let you do that, anyways
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# [18:46] <Ms2ger> Well, maybe not, but if this square peg does fit into this round hole...
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# [18:49] <@bz> did anyone file a bug on the jsfiddle thing?
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# [18:50] <@bz> ah
# [18:50] <@bz> it could be fallout from bug 712714
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# [18:51] <@bz> hmm
# [18:51] <GPHemsley> Is Composer still a part of Core?
# [18:51] <bsmedberg> GPHemsley: composer or editor?
# [18:51] <@bz> ah
# [18:51] <bsmedberg> the composer UI is not, the editor core is
# [18:51] <@bz> this morning's inbound merge missed the nightly
# [18:51] <@bz> I see
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# [18:59] <sfink> jdm: I agree, it's extremely weird. The cookie-stealing functionality just makes it too tempting. Perhaps that ought to be a separate library.
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# [18:59] <sfink> jdm: How about I remove it from |hg bzexport|, but add an |hg newbug| or something in the same extension? Still kinda weird, but less confusing.
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# [19:00] <jdm> sfink: It's only --without-attachment that I have any concerns about. I think the newbug stuff in general seems really good.
# [19:00] <jhammel> i have a standalone tool for creating new bugs
# [19:01] <jhammel> which is not an hg plugin; however, YMMV http://k0s.org/mozilla/hg/bzconsole
# [19:01] <jhammel> (OTOH, as usual, patches welcome)
# [19:01] <sfink> jhammel: yes, I know, I stole bits from it for bzexport :)
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# [19:02] <jhammel|mtg> hah! ;)
# [19:02] <sfink> (thanks btw)
# [19:02] <jhammel|mtg> someday i hope to consolidate the bugzilla tools
# [19:02] <jlebar> smaug, Speaking of polluting the namespace, how are we going to implement "stop", "refresh", etc without adding a new function?
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# [19:02] <jhammel|mtg> or even better, i home someone else does ;)
# [19:02] <@smaug> jlebar: that is a very different issue
# [19:02] <@smaug> different API
# [19:02] <@smaug> and yes, for that you need something new
# [19:02] <jlebar> smaug, It's only different because it can't be shoved into an existing API. :)
# [19:02] <@smaug> jlebar: some kind of postMessage
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# [19:03] <sfink> jdm: right, I understand. Which is why it'd be easy to remove --no-attachment and put it in a separate command (implemented in the same file)
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# [19:03] <jdm> ah, right
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# [19:03] <@smaug> jlebar: it is very different because there data goes from "chrome" to content, in the other API data goes from content to chrome
# [19:04] <jdm> sfink: I'll defer to ted on the choice there, I think
# [19:04] <jlebar> smaug, To me, these are part of the same "mozbrowser" API.
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# [19:04] <sfink> jdm: ok. I think I like the separate command better, though. --no-attachment is just... well, weird, like you said.
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# [19:07] <jdm> yeah, I would love to consolidate python bugzilla tools to just call out to a bugzilla wrapper that handled things like authentication and caching
# [19:07] <jhammel|mtg> jdm++
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# [19:07] <jdm> maybe I could convince an intrepid community member to do the heavy lifting
# [19:07] <@bz> bent: ping
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# [19:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c98283f80ae7 - Doug Turner - Bug 704467 - Crash in mozalloc_abort | __swrite | dexDataMapAlloc. Protect against a bad class cast. r=wesj
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# [19:08] <Ms2ger> freelance writer
# [19:08] <@bz> Ms2ger: don't you start now
# [19:08] <Ms2ger> Oops, wrong window
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# [19:09] <@bz> fwiw, inbound tip is fine on jsfiddle
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# [19:09] <Ms2ger> Excellent
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# [19:10] <@bz> wel
# [19:10] <@bz> er, well
# [19:10] <@bz> sorta excellent
# [19:10] <@bz> means our js test coverage needs expanding
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# [19:10] <@bz> And in particular, that a patch landed that fixed it, but doesn't include a test
# [19:11] <Ms2ger> Boo
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# [19:11] <mib_iucizh> hello I'm a college student and i need help with a project
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# [19:13] <@smaug> peterv: in which case do we create WrappedNative for html elements?
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# [19:20] <lesshaste> smaug, sorry I haven't had time to report that bug
# [19:20] <lesshaste> I will try to but am a little busy
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# [19:27] <WeirdAl> hey taras - about timer telemetry... I know XHR's use nsITimer, esp. for progress events. Would you want measurements on those too?
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# [19:34] <jorendorff> bz: do you know about dombindingsgen.py?
# [19:34] <Ms2ger> What do you need to know?
# [19:34] <Ms2ger> And codegen.py, no?
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# [19:35] <jorendorff> uh
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# [19:35] <jorendorff> I'm trying to make NodeList for-of iterable, without affecting the for-in behavior
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# [19:36] <jorendorff> I need to know what sInterfaceClass is for
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# [19:37] <jorendorff> I can see where it's used, in ListBase<LC>::getPrototype
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# [19:38] <jorendorff> is that used only for, like, NodeList.prototype?
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# [19:39] <jorendorff> i'm not having a lot of luck reading this code and there are not really any comments to speak of
# [19:39] <Ms2ger> Looks like it
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# [19:41] <@bz> jorendorff: that's used for various list prototypes
# [19:41] <@bz> jorendorff: lemme look up what sInterfaceClass is
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# [19:41] <jdm> does glsl.heroku.com hang firefox for anybody else?
# [19:42] <@bz> jorendorff: so sInterfaceClass is the JSClass for the relevant template specialization
# [19:42] <lgvalent> Please, somebody knows where/how/wich the style -moz-image-region is bound with its image.png?
# [19:42] <jorendorff> bz: but what does that mean?
# [19:42] <@bz> jorendorff: in what sense?
# [19:42] <jorendorff> bz: what objects are of that class?
# [19:43] <jorendorff> bz: for example: an actual NodeList is going to be a Proxy, it's going to be of class Proxy, right?
# [19:43] <@bz> jorendorff: whatever objects have the relevant ListBase<LC> specialization as their proxy handler, basically
# [19:43] <jorendorff> not this class
# [19:43] <@bz> jorendorff: oh, I see what you mean
# [19:43] <@bz> jorendorff: the proto has this jsclass
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# [19:43] <jorendorff> excellent
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# [19:43] <jorendorff> in that case i can ignore it
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# [19:43] <jorendorff> xpconnect is full of head fakes
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# [19:44] <@bz> or is that true?
# [19:44] <@bz> let me triple-check, ok?
# [19:44] <jorendorff> please!
# [19:44] <@bz> no, I was wrong
# [19:44] <@bz> so
# [19:44] <@bz> window.NodeList
# [19:44] <@bz> is the object that has this jsclass
# [19:44] <jorendorff> Oh, ok, that makes sense
# [19:44] <@bz> window.NodeList.prototype is the proto of nodelists
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# [19:45] <@bz> and uses ObjectClass
# [19:45] <Ms2ger> Now, do we have some place to stick documentation for this?
# [19:45] <@bz> probably
# [19:45] <@bz> esp. if I'm right
# [19:45] <@bz> like dombindings.h
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# [19:46] <@bz> aha
# [19:46] <@bz> that makes sense
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# [19:46] <@bz> that's used in |foo instanceof NodeList|
# [19:46] <@bz> I'll add some comments around this
# [19:46] <Ms2ger> billm has written a pretty lovely comment to explain XPConnect
# [19:47] <@bz> all of it?
# [19:47] <jorendorff> lol, that was my response as well
# [19:47] <jorendorff> bz: thanks for your help. it's much appreciated.
# [19:47] <Ms2ger> You're asking me like I know :)
# [19:47] <Ms2ger> https://bug715761.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=586300
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# [19:47] <@bz> jorendorff: no problem
# [19:47] <@bz> jorendorff: please let me know if anything else is confusing
# [19:48] <@bz> jorendorff: I agree that this code is severely underdocumented
# [19:48] <mbrubeck> oops, forgot to clobber OS X debug
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# [19:48] * @bz should have pushed for more comments during review. :(
# [19:48] <Ms2ger> (With edits in comment 9)
# [19:49] <pcwalton> smaug: haven't had any noticeable CC pauses with your builds
# [19:49] <pcwalton> thus far
# [19:50] <@smaug> pcwalton: sounds good :)
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# [19:51] <@bz> Ms2ger: ah, it's missing all the stuff involving XPCWrappedJS
# [19:51] * Ms2ger hears someone volunteer
# [19:52] <@bz> Ms2ger: but it says so up front too
# [19:52] <espindola> ehsan, pong
# [19:52] <@smaug> pcwalton: may I ask what kind of CC times you get?
# [19:52] <ehsan> espindola: is there a good story for converting java source code into llvm bytecode?
# [19:53] <jorendorff> i can't build. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1446782 what have i done wrong?
# [19:53] <espindola> ehsan, not sure. Maybe gcj with dragonegg
# [19:53] <espindola> I would suggest asking on #llvm (or the list) someone might have tried it
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# [19:54] <ehsan> ok
# [19:54] <espindola> ehsan, someone created a VM too, but I think it uses the jit
# [19:54] <ehsan> espindola: the docs on llvm.org say that gcj/dragonegg won't work for everything
# [19:54] * jorendorff blows away a randomly chosen directory, tries again
# [19:54] <espindola> might be possible to make ti generate static code..
# [19:54] <ehsan> espindola: yes, that's VMKit
# [19:54] <espindola> yes
# [19:54] <ehsan> maybe
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# [19:55] <ehsan> but it's not a shot path to success ;)
# [19:55] <ehsan> I'll ask on #llvm
# [19:55] <jorendorff> yeah, i think that worked
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# [20:06] <bent> bz, here now
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# [20:07] <gal> bz: ping
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# [20:07] <@bz> bent: want to try and see whether running the code from https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714653 not in a worker changes anything?
# [20:07] <@bz> gal: ack
# [20:08] <gal> hey bz, do we have an opinion on (WebKit)CSSMatrix?
# [20:08] <@bz> bent: it _looks_ to me like workers run code more or less like windows, but then I don't understand why we have so many stubcalls going on.....
# [20:08] <@bz> gal: I don't think I do
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# [20:08] <@bz> gal: I bet roc does
# [20:08] <gal> !summon roc
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# [20:09] <roc> *poof*
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# [20:09] <gal> I totally didn't expect this to work, its early over there isn't it?
# [20:09] <Ms2ger> So, about these three wishes
# [20:10] <Ms2ger> 8AM
# [20:10] <gal> do we have an opinion on (WebKit)CSSMatrix?
# [20:10] <@bz> 8am
# [20:10] <roc> I got out of bed a couple of minutes ago
# [20:10] <gal> great, just the kind of question to ask in the early morning
# [20:10] <roc> I don't
# [20:10] * @bz bets roc is one of the people who can function before coffee
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# [20:10] <Ms2ger> Coffee? What's that good for?
# [20:11] <roc> yeah, I hate coffee
# [20:11] <gal> alright, this is enough I don't cares to file it
# [20:11] <@bz> Ms2ger: poisoning yourself, mostly
# [20:11] <gal> people seem to like using it
# [20:11] <@bz> gal: we need some sort of apis there, but I haven't looked at CSSMatrix enough to say whether it's the right one
# [20:11] <@bz> gal: is sort of my stance
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# [20:11] <Ms2ger> There's been talk about a generic matrix api, I think
# [20:11] <bent> bz, will look
# [20:11] <AryehGregor> gal, AFAICT, Chrome dev doesn't even implement CSSMatrix . . . also, the spec doesn't give any way to create one. https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15443
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# [20:11] <roc> Dean Jackson just posted a draft spec for it I think
# [20:12] <@bz> bent: thanks!
# [20:12] <roc> calling it Matrix4x4
# [20:12] <AryehGregor> At least the spec I'm looking at.
# [20:12] <@bz> bent: it could be it's all JS-side
# [20:12] * bent bets so
# [20:12] <AryehGregor> Maybe some other spec defines it differently.
# [20:12] <@bz> bent: but maybe there's something worker-specific here
# [20:12] <bent> bz, it's a neat demo too
# [20:12] <@bz> bent: yep
# [20:12] <@bz> bent: stays responsive and all
# [20:12] <@bz> bent: which is the whole idea
# [20:12] <@bz> bent: amusingly enough, it only seems to use one worker
# [20:12] <bent> now that worker runtimes are separate we don't really have any laf
# [20:13] <bent> lag
# [20:13] <@bz> bent: which for a raytracer seems silly
# [20:13] <bent> yeah...
# [20:13] <bent> agreed
# [20:13] <bent> microsoft's fountain demo too
# [20:13] <roc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2012JanMar/0007.html
# [20:13] <@bz> raytracing is embarrassinly parallel, last I checked
# [20:13] <bent> even though it says "worker for individual fountains"
# [20:13] <bent> liars
# [20:13] <@bz> just chunk up the image
# [20:13] <@bz> bent: heh
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# [20:16] <roc> Anyone know anything about Mac gcc not being able to handle a static member function being used as a function-valued template parameter? gcc complains it's not a constant expression
# [20:16] <roc> MSVC likes it
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# [20:16] <Ms2ger> It can't be static
# [20:16] <Ms2ger> Would that make sense?
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# [20:17] <Ms2ger> There was something like that with the location stuff in DOMClassInfo
# [20:17] <armenzg> anyone know why we run 'v8' only for mozilla-inbound? not even 1.9.2 runs it
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# [20:17] <roc> what do you mean "it can't be static"?
# [20:17] <bsmedberg> roc: you can't parameterize on runtime values, right?
# [20:18] <bsmedberg> only on types or constants...
# [20:18] <roc> why isn't a static member function a constant?
# [20:18] <gavin> NeilAway: not quite sure what you mean by "SeaMonkey's download manager uses a proper command controller" in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712421#c4
# [20:18] <Ms2ger> (This was about plain functions, not on a class, though)
# [20:18] <roc> regular global functions are supposed to be constants
# [20:18] <gavin> NeilAway: how would I hook into ctrl+V on the window otherwise?
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# [20:19] <roc> it's probably just gcc bustage
# [20:19] <bsmedberg> roc: because getting the value isn't always a compile-time action in the face of sharedlibs and relocations
# [20:19] * bsmedberg doesn't think this works for global functions either
# [20:19] <bsmedberg> or I'm misunderstanding the question
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# [20:20] <Ms2ger> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/nsDOMClassInfo.cpp#7307 was what I was thinking of
# [20:20] <roc> bsmedberg: I understand that, but C++ does require functions to be usable as template parameters
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# [20:21] <roc> and it does work in general
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# [20:21] <bsmedberg> I wish I had a c++ spec, that surprises me.
# [20:22] <Ms2ger> Hmm, sure would have been nice if bug 90268 actually was fixed
# [20:22] <bsmedberg> Ms2ger: dude, we're working on it
# [20:22] <@bz> were
# [20:22] <roc> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1174169/function-passed-as-template-argument
# [20:22] <Ms2ger> I know, I know
# [20:23] * @bz channels inner grammar nazi
# [20:23] <@bz> in fact, Josh just asked me a question today
# [20:23] <@bz> that is 100% sure to have to do with that bug
# [20:23] <Ms2ger> bz, hmm, that didn't make much sense reading it as a complaint about bsmedberg's "we're"
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# [20:24] <@bz> Ms2ger: no, it's a complaint about your "was"
# [20:24] <roc> yeah I think bz 's inner grammar Nazi just took a wrong turn
# [20:24] <Waldo> roc: I'd be interested in seeing the code that's erroring
# [20:24] <roc> oh
# [20:24] <josh> bz: it was for that bug, I'm pretty close to the next fix we can consider landing
# [20:24] <@bz> but irc is async like that and all
# [20:24] <@bz> and interleaves stuff
# [20:24] <Ms2ger> bz, but do teach me about was and were :)
# [20:24] <@bz> josh: awesome. :)
# [20:25] <@bz> Ms2ger: Use "were" in the subjunctive
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# [20:25] <@bz> MS2ger: so generally speaking, whenever talking about hypotheticals
# [20:25] <Ms2ger> Hey, I know what a subjunctive is
# [20:25] <@bz> MS2ger: "It would be nice if X were Y"
# [20:25] <@bz> Ms2ger: good. :)
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# [20:25] <Ms2ger> This may have been the first time that was^Wwere useful...
# [20:26] <@bz> Ms2ger: I had no way to know that, since I don't know what languages you speak other than English
# [20:26] <@bz> Ms2ger: and the subjunctive is not really all that commonly dealt with is English
# [20:26] <@bz> Ms2ger: I think you do want "was" there.... ;)
# [20:26] <Ms2ger> Noooooo
# [20:26] <@bz> Ms2ger: sorry
# [20:26] <@bz> Ms2ger: the concept of "subjunctive" may also not be isomorphic across languages.... :(
# [20:27] * @bz will just stop confusing the issue
# [20:27] <Ms2ger> Bah, human languages
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# [20:27] <Ms2ger> Why can't we all communicate in C++?
# [20:27] <@bz> "say it like someone on tv would" is a good guideline to make sure that only grammar nazis will complain. ;)
# [20:27] <roc> Waldo: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1446830
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# [20:29] <gabor> Ms2ger: that would be a quite world... except if compiler errors were making sound...
# [20:29] <jcranmer> Ms2ger: abort()
# [20:30] <Waldo> code seems fairly reasonable as far as template code goes
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# [20:31] <Waldo> roc: maybe GetValues<typename ContinuousTimeVarying<T>::CopyValue>? just unadorned CopyValue might not resolve correctly
# [20:31] <Waldo> not that I know if that's to-spec or not...
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# [20:31] <josh> espindola: Have you built with Xcode 4.2.1 on Mac OS X 10.7?
# [20:32] <josh> If I build with the 10.7 SDK it works, but crashreporter doesn't work properly (messes up local plugin crash tests). If I build against the 10.6 SDK I can't build at all.
# [20:32] <Waldo> or maybe without the typename salt sprinkled over the shoulder
# [20:32] <espindola> josh, that the last one, right?
# [20:32] <espindola> so yes
# [20:32] <espindola> but using an open source clang
# [20:32] <espindola> I don't think I ever tried the one they ship
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# [20:32] <josh> espindola: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1446838
# [20:33] <josh> that's what I get using the 10.6 SDK with Xcode 4.2.1
# [20:33] <espindola> josh, gcc-4.2?
# [20:33] <espindola> that is gone from xcode 4.2
# [20:33] <espindola> a broken leftover from a previous install I assume?
# [20:33] <josh> [josh@saturn-2 ff_trunk_debug_x86_64] gcc --version
# [20:33] <josh> i686-apple-darwin11-llvm-gcc-4.2 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2336.1.00)
# [20:34] <espindola> gcc is not gcc-4.2...
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# [20:34] <josh> That is what gets used by default.
# [20:34] <espindola> in any case, I never tried gcc on 10.7
# [20:35] <josh> espindola: How do I switch to clang?
# [20:35] <jbuck> josh: I was not able to get FF to build with gcc on 10.7, I just switched to clang/clang++ with the CC=clang CXX=clang++ vars in .mozconfig
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# [20:37] <espindola> josh, add CC=clang CXX=clang++ in your .mozconfig
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# [20:37] <espindola> josh, or edit build/macosx/common if you are using it
# [20:37] <josh> espindola, jbuck: Thanks, trying that now.
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# [20:38] <luke> jorendorff: ping re: bug 715561 (want to get in well before aurora branch)
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# [20:39] <jorendorff> sigh
# [20:39] <luke> jorendorff: the patch is simple :)
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# [20:41] <josh> espindola: That gets past the pathsub error, seems to be building fine.
# [20:41] <espindola> cool
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# [20:44] <sfink> jdm: new version pushed, with newbug split out. Though maybe it's time to pester ted?
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# [20:50] <josh> espindola: The build finishes and works at least as well as the gcc build, so far at least. There is still something wrong with crash reporter, even when built against the 10.6 sdK.
# [20:51] <espindola> what version of clang?
# [20:52] <espindola> old versions would produce dwarf that the crashreport didn't like
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# [20:52] <espindola> it was fixed in clang
# [20:52] <espindola> and new versions of the crash reporter have a workaround to work with older ones
# [20:52] <josh> The version that comes with Xcode 4.2.1.
# [20:52] <josh> Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.12) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
# [20:52] <josh> Target: x86_64-apple-darwin11.2.0
# [20:52] <espindola> not sure if we ported that patch...
# [20:52] <espindola> yes, that counts as old...
# [20:52] <josh> I found that other people are seeing the bad crashreporter behavior on 10.7.
# [20:53] <josh> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705047#c3
# [20:53] <josh> Maybe if I just disable crashreporter it'll stop interfering with the plugin crash tests.
# [20:54] <espindola> josh, that is building with gcc-4.2, no?
# [20:54] <espindola> so probably a different issue
# [20:54] <gavin> when can screenPixelsPerCSSPixel change for a chrome document?
# [20:54] <gavin> roc: ^?
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# [20:55] <josh> espindola: I used to build with gcc-4.2 on 10.7, until I just switched for my last build to clang. Switching to clang allowed me to build against the 10.6 SDK, and otherwise seems to work just as well.
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# [20:55] <ehsan> jrmuizel: CC me on the bug please?
# [20:56] <jrmuizel> ehsan: yep
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# [21:01] <DAAA> Hi - not sure if this is quite the right channel. I'm an engineer at MS and I'm looking to talk to the dev(s) that are in charge of the installer. specifically the taskbar pin/unpin part. Firefox isn't working right on Windows 8 and instead of attaching a debugger to the installer, I'm looking for a quick chat with them about what they're doing.
# [21:01] <DAAA> Could anyone point me in that direction? Thanks! :)
# [21:02] <roc> gavin: er
# [21:02] <Mossop> rs: ^^
# [21:02] <beltzner> rs: ^^
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# [21:02] <roc> gavin: currently, never? unless some chrome code tries to zoom the chrome document I guess
# [21:02] <beltzner> DAAA: rstrong@mozilla.com if you want to send email
# [21:02] <gavin> roc: ok, that's what I thought
# [21:02] <roc> an extension could do it
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# [21:02] <DAAA> Exactly what I need. Thanks beltzner!
# [21:03] <rs> DAAA: hi. I'm in the middle of a conference call at the moment but I'm here! :)
# [21:03] <mcsmurf> DAAA: pinning/unpinning part? I know a bit about installer (but not as much as rs), but I don't think installer does something special there
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# [21:03] <mcsmurf> but maybe rs knows more
# [21:03] <mcsmurf> or you mean the pinning of Firefox?
# [21:03] <DAAA> It does, it'll by to the taskbar by default, which isn't something "supported" I'm guessing it does the trick of enumerating verbs and calling the pin one
# [21:03] <corey> Hi, are there any developers here that could help me? I am looking for some help with the open source project Songbird. I am a computer science student working on an assignment for class.
# [21:03] <DAAA> it'll pin to the taskbar by default*
# [21:04] <mcsmurf> oh wait, sry, Windows 8
# [21:04] <mcsmurf> overlooked that
# [21:04] <DAAA> I'm wondering if they are unpinning during upgrade, and re-pinning, and if so, if they're using the IStartMenuPinnedList::RemoveItem API
# [21:04] <DAAA> I'm happy to just follow up via mail though.
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# [21:05] <DAAA> rs: I can just shoot you a mail with all the info and you can reply when you like, don't want to interrupt anything :)
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# [21:05] <rs> DAAA: email would be easiest at the moment
# [21:05] <beltzner> DAAA: yeah, I remember we did something non-standard because when we first implemented it we couldn't find the appropriate API to actually have ourselves pinned on the taskbar all the way to the left
# [21:05] <beltzner> and so we would get pinned but behind the expander thingie
# [21:05] <beltzner> not very useful!
# [21:05] <beltzner> rs was the one who did that, so sending him email would be best
# [21:06] * beltzner may be remembering this wrong
# [21:06] <DAAA> expander thing?
# [21:06] <DAAA> we dont' provide a real API "because it's up to the user"
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# [21:06] <beltzner> DAAA: by default there's space for, like, 4 pinned icons
# [21:06] <beltzner> all of which are set OOTB
# [21:06] <DAAA> but of course it works... and we're Windows and all about appcompat, so I want it to work again :)
# [21:06] <beltzner> so when the user asked to pin to the taskbar, the result was that it happened, but it wasn't visible
# [21:07] <beltzner> unless they adjusted their taskbar
# [21:07] <DAAA> I'm not really aware of anything quite like that
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# [21:07] <beltzner> I'm sure you and rs will work it out
# [21:07] <mcsmurf> DAAA: see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/installer/windows/nsis/shared.nsh#850, there's a comment on what the installer does
# [21:08] <DAAA> mcsmurf: I don't think I should be looking at the code, unfortunately.
# [21:08] <mcsmurf> PinToTaskBar gets called when setting browser at default
# [21:08] <mcsmurf> ok :)
# [21:08] <DAAA> I'm a hacker at heart, if I didn't work at MS I'd just read it all and figure it out. :)
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# [21:10] * jorendorff 's heart is warmed by this exchange
# [21:11] <beltzner> yeah, it's qdb'able, really
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# [21:11] <gavin> DAAA: the code does remove existing pinned items and re-pin on install,afaict
# [21:11] <@bz> DAAA: so I'm curious
# [21:12] <@bz> DAAA: you can't look at the code or the bug database, but irc is ok?
# [21:12] <vlad> we could paste some code at you
# [21:12] * beltzner fetches popcorn
# [21:12] <gavin> DAAA: the pin removal code seems to use SHCreateItemFromParsingName and CLSID_StartMenuPin RemoveFromList
# [21:12] <vlad> or maybe we could just put up some code in a github gist
# [21:12] <@bz> DAAA: (not judging; just trying to get a feel for what limitations the legal folks are putting on you guys for future reference)
# [21:12] <vlad> that could hypotehtically be used to do something like this
# [21:13] <gavin> I bet DAAA doesn't want to talk about his legal restrictions :)
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# [21:13] <@bz> gavin: also possible
# [21:13] <Ms2ger> Would that be covered by a legal restriction?
# [21:13] <DAAA> what dev would want to even THINK about legal restrictions? :)
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# [21:13] <@bz> verily
# [21:13] <@bz> gavin: I do know that non-devs can look at our bug database
# [21:13] <@bz> gavin: so e.g. Sylvain can look at our bugs
# [21:13] <DAAA> I know I shouldn't be looking at GPL code, and I read over the MPL a bit but I don't know how compatible with our legal restrictions.
# [21:14] <@bz> gavin: but the devs he's managing can't
# [21:14] <@bz> ok
# [21:14] * @bz wasn't sure whether there was some explicit policy in place
# [21:14] <DAAA> I just want to get the bug fixed without reading through code files
# [21:14] <@bz> never mind me. ;)
# [21:14] <DAAA> a block of code pasted would probably be fine
# [21:14] <@bz> makes sense
# [21:14] <@bz> ah, ok
# [21:14] <@bz> good to know
# [21:14] <gavin> DAAA: does my info answer your question?
# [21:15] <gavin> DAAA: looks like we're using http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb774817%28v=vs.85%29.aspx for the removal
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# [21:15] <DAAA> thanks gavin, that might be the info I need but I'll still follow up with rs
# [21:15] <beltzner> I honestly bet the best way for this to happen is for DAAA to email rs, yeah :)
# [21:15] <mcsmurf> yes, as there are multiple way the pinning/unpinning function in the installer gets called
# [21:15] <DAAA> I came to IRC because I didn't want to post on a super public searchable mailing list, from my MS alias
# [21:15] <DAAA> you guys don't know who I am. :)
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# [21:15] <mcsmurf> +s
# [21:15] <Ms2ger> DAAA, er, this channel is archived ;)
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# [21:16] <qDot> Sure we do, Mr. Gates!
# [21:16] <beltzner> haha
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# [21:16] <DAAA> that's fine, but DAAA isn't my alias, so it isn't tired directly to me (not that there's something wrong with me being here, as far asI know)
# [21:16] <beltzner> DAAA: no, there isn't. We've had MS devs in here before.
# [21:16] <beltzner> s'cool
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# [21:17] <@bz> from our pov
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# [21:17] <Fallen|mac> dveditz: ping
# [21:17] <gavin> the "add a pinned item" code looks more interesting/gross
# [21:18] <gavin> '5381 is the shell32.dll resource id for the "Pin to Start Menu" string'
# [21:19] <DAAA> yeah the pin stuff is gross because you're not supposed to do it :P
# [21:19] <gavin> (http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/57cb22e845d4 - warning, CODE!)
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# [21:19] <vlad> (not supposed to do it unless you're microsoft!)
# [21:19] <beltzner> easy, partner
# [21:19] <gavin> but the bug is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621873
# [21:19] <vlad> hey, the truth hurts
# [21:19] <DAAA> we've just got OOBE shortcuts that can be pinned.
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# [21:20] <@bz> vlad: esp after sharpening and fire-hardening? ;)
# [21:20] <DAAA> if you think about it, every freaking app would pin itself to the taskbar if we had an API!
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# [21:20] <DAAA> think "add shortcut to desktop" "add shortcut to quick launch" "add shortcut to start menu" "add shortcut to taskbar!"!
# [21:20] <vlad> DAAA: sure, the issue is that IE is pinned there
# [21:20] <vlad> by default
# [21:20] <DAAA> hey, I'm not saying you guys are doing anything wrong
# [21:20] <DAAA> I'm just saying, I think that was their rationale,
# [21:20] <DAAA> I love firefox. :)
# [21:20] <vlad> I know, I'm just saying that we had to hack this for parity :)
# [21:21] <vlad> group hug!
# [21:21] * Ms2ger bugs DAAA
# [21:21] * DAAA sends you guys a cake
# [21:21] <Ms2ger> Oh, hug
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# [21:23] <rs> HUGGGGSSSSS!!!
# [21:24] <Waldo> SSSMMMMIIILLLEEEESSSS
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# [21:27] <DAAA> rs: mail sent - no rush in getting back to me though, I appreciate your time!
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# [21:28] <jwatt> bz: what is nsRuleNode::SetGenericFont all about?
# [21:28] <@bz> jwatt: let me see if I can recall the setup
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# [21:28] <jwatt> I'm not understanding why we need to look up the parent tree and do cascading all over again
# [21:29] <jwatt> bz: heh
# [21:29] <@bz> jwatt: (this code sorta predates me)
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# [21:29] <@bz> jwatt: so this is the code we run for "font: serif" or whatnot
# [21:29] <jwatt> yeah
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# [21:30] <Ms2ger> <bz> jwatt: (this code sorta predates me) < That's not something I hear often ;)
# [21:31] <@bz> jwatt: I give up
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# [21:31] <@bz> jwatt: ask dbaron what this stuff is doing and why?
# [21:31] <@bz> jwatt: I know he knows
# [21:31] <jwatt> bz: sure
# [21:31] <jwatt> bz: thanks for looking
# [21:31] <@bz> jwatt: and ask him to put the answer in the file in writing?
# [21:31] <Ms2ger> Waldo, just get the :waldo already
# [21:31] <jwatt> bz: yeah, indeed
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# [21:32] <jwatt> anyone sitting near dbaron and able to ask him nicely to join irc? :)
# [21:32] <jwatt> dholbert...looking at you :)
# [21:32] * Waldo is also looking for dbaron, if he gets found
# [21:32] <Waldo> he was in PA last I knew
# [21:33] <Waldo> could also possibly be PTOing
# [21:33] * Waldo should check that
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# [21:35] <jwatt> Waldo: drat, you're right, he's off today
# [21:35] <DAAA> Thanks again guys, I should bounce before someone pastes a block of code from the linux kernel here. :P Take care!
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# [21:35] <reuben> lol
# [21:35] <jwatt> heh
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# [21:35] <Ms2ger> Dammit, should have thought of that
# [21:35] <Waldo> alas
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# [21:36] <Waldo> he complained about a JS assert a couple nights ago that I'm pretty sure I specifically should be fixing, and by the time I saw the complaint he was gone and had let the terrorists win by commenting it out
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# [21:45] <jlebar> whoa, gavin, that *is* code.
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# [21:48] <vlad> horrible horrible nsis
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# [21:48] <jlebar> vlad, Wow, I used to like nullsoft.
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# [21:49] <vlad> jlebar: the sad thing is, it's one of the best and easiest to use windows installer systems
# [21:50] <@bz> bent: yes
# [21:50] <vlad> if you want to make your eyes bleed, look at WiX/MSI
# [21:50] <vlad> especially, lol, makemsi
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# [21:51] <gaston> Ms2ger: when you said " gaston, I was going to do that, but I wasn't sure you needed it" abour PRInt64 vs int64_t, what made you think that openbsd might need a cast here ? because of the JS::GetExplicitNonHeapForRuntime prototype ?
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# [21:51] <bent> bz, so what do you want with this tracer? want it to just run on the main thread (blocking) or somehow setTimeout'ing our way to glory?
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# [21:51] <@bz> bent: just run it on the main thread
# [21:51] <@bz> bent: up the dom timeout pref as needed
# [21:52] <bent> ok
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# [22:02] <Ms2ger> gaston, didn't you hit it workers earlier?
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# [22:04] <gaston> Ms2ger: yeah that was 714332
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# [22:04] <gaston> error: invalid static_cast from type 'PRInt64*' to type 'int64_t*'
# [22:04] <gaston> grmpf.
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# [22:09] <Waldo> gaston: you need reinterpret_cast<> to go between pointers with no inheritance relationship between them
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# [22:10] <Waldo> gaston: fairly soon I hope someone will rewrite our use of PR* integer types to the stdint.h ones and eliminate the need for that
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# [22:11] <biesi> Waldo, how about making us use the stdint.h ones directly? :)
# [22:12] <biesi> if necessary with a wrapper header for platforms that don't have them
# [22:12] <gaston> please ! :)
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# [22:12] <Ms2ger> biesi, well
# [22:12] <Ms2ger> That's what we did
# [22:12] <Ms2ger> s/we/Waldo/, that is
# [22:12] <gaston> Waldo: ok, will test with reinterpret_cast, thx for the (h)int
# [22:13] <Fallen|mac> dveditz: do you have a moment to decide on bug 705529 ?
# [22:13] <Ms2ger> biesi, the trouble is with netwerk, aiui
# [22:13] <Waldo> biesi: http://whereswalden.com/2011/12/08/party-like-its-1999-stdint-h-comes-to-mozilla/
# [22:13] <biesi> Waldo, awesome
# [22:13] <gaston> oh my, i missed that !
# [22:13] <biesi> Ms2ger, aww what's wrong with netwerk?
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# [22:14] <Ms2ger> biesi, it calls into NSPR
# [22:14] <biesi> hmm
# [22:14] <Waldo> gaston: that's what's giving you problems; whatever your <stdint.h> uses for int64_t isn't what NSPR uses for its PRInt64
# [22:14] <biesi> seems in a lot of cases that shouldn't matter
# [22:14] <biesi> only when you're using integers
# [22:14] <biesi> (NSPR uses long long or __int64)
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# [22:15] <@bz> biesi: or long
# [22:15] <@bz> biesi: depending
# [22:15] <biesi> oh, true
# [22:15] <Waldo> gaston: previously JS used its own types which were moderately compatible with the NSPR types, but not always; subtle linker problems ensued, and will keep ensuing until everybody uses the one stdint.h wrapper, but it was generally a step in the right direction
# [22:15] <biesi> bz, but who uses 64-bit CPUs anyway ;)
# [22:16] <@bz> biesi: indeed
# [22:16] * Waldo guesses the BSDs use long for int64_t in <stdint.h>, but hasn't confirmed that
# [22:16] <gaston> Waldo: yeah i had some "fun" with JSUint64 at some point in time, i can perfectly remember losing hours on that
# [22:16] <gaston> in stdint.h it's typedefed to __int64_t
# [22:17] <@bz> biesi: note that this is not about CPUs
# [22:17] <@bz> biesi: win64 has PR_BYTES_PER_LONG == 4, iirc
# [22:17] <biesi> oh right, win64
# [22:17] <biesi> *sigh*
# [22:17] <NeilAway> gavin: I'm not saying you can't do it your way, I'm saying that I can't tell based on code that I build because it works differently
# [22:17] <Waldo> the only thing JSUint64 had going for it over uint64_t or uint64 was that nobody else used that typedef
# [22:17] <Waldo> other than that it was entirely awful
# [22:17] <@bz> biesi: _that_ sums up the situation
# [22:18] <@bz> waldo: don't underestimate avoidance of namespace collisions!
# [22:18] <mwu> Waldo: hm, how compatible is our int64_t with nspr's PRInt64 ?
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# [22:18] <Ms2ger> mwu, enough
# [22:18] <Ms2ger> As long as you don't count BSD
# [22:18] <Waldo> mwu: sounds like it's not on BSD, but that's the only place I've heard of problems, or had to fix any when doing the conversion
# [22:18] <gaston> see #599764, it seems PRInt64 is just 'long' on OpenBSD
# [22:19] <mwu> uhhh, that's weird.
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# [22:19] <Waldo> Windows had issues with the 32-bit types (long versus int differences), which I fixed
# [22:19] <@bz> PRInt64 is just long on all 64-bit unices
# [22:19] <@bz> not just bsd
# [22:19] <gaston> but sometimes, when the js headers came into play, it was also a long long, and hilarity ensued
# [22:19] <mwu> I wrote a patch earlier today to kill PR?int* in ipdl
# [22:20] <Waldo> MSVC10's <stdint.h> is incompatible with PR*32, tho, so there's really nothing doing but to deal
# [22:20] <@bz> btw...
# [22:20] <@bz> we have at least two copies of stdint.h in our tree
# [22:20] <@bz> not counting the mfbt one
# [22:20] <@bz> three copies
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# [22:20] <Waldo> well, mfbt has one that's *only* for msvc<10, but that's it
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# [22:21] <@bz> yeah, indeed
# [22:21] <@bz> in any case
# [22:21] <Waldo> libvpx is one, iirc
# [22:21] <@bz> three other stdint headers
# [22:21] <mwu> hrm where did cjones go.
# [22:21] <dholbert> jwatt, sorry, I'm out of the office at a Stanford recruiting fair today :)
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# [22:21] <@bz> skia, nsis, and libnestegg
# [22:21] <@bz> that last one may be vpx
# [22:21] <@bz> no
# [22:21] <@bz> vpx has vpx_integer.h
# [22:21] <@bz> which still defines a int64_t, btw
# [22:22] <@bz> (but so does sydney_audio.h, if we're talking media)
# [22:22] <jesup> bz: what are your issues with sessionrestore post-FF10? (from the latest comment from Alex K on bug 669034)
# [22:22] <@bz> and qcms
# [22:22] <@bz> jesup: none that I know of offhand
# [22:22] <@bz> jesup: not sure why I was included in those comments
# [22:22] <jesup> bz: thanks
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# [22:23] <Waldo> qcms doesn't define one any more, pretty sure I made it use mozilla/StdInt.h
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# [22:23] <Waldo> hum
# [22:23] <@bz> gfx/qcms/qcmstypes.h (View Hg log or Hg annotations)
# [22:23] <@bz> line 24 -- typedef PRInt64 int64_t;
# [22:23] <@bz> line 66 -- typedef __int64 int64_t;
# [22:23] <Waldo> weird
# [22:23] <Ms2ger> Hah
# [22:24] <Waldo> I changed something in gfx that was hand-rolling some stuff, guess it wasn't qcms
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# [22:28] <gavin> NeilAway: but what does the command controller have to do with anything?
# [22:29] <jesup> bz: webrtc includes a patched version of yasm, including .../config/<os>/libyasm-stdint.h files (all of which include <stdint.h>), and config/win32/stdint.h (which defines everything). Not sure which gets used, however.
# [22:29] <NeilAway> gavin: we just dispatch a paste command, and then it winds up at the focused command controller, so I don't have to worry about what's focused
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# [22:30] <NeilAway> gavin: but I can't remember whether textboxes override shortcuts or not, thus making it irrelevant
# [22:30] <gavin> NeilAway: is there a way for me to do this using a controller?
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# [22:41] <NeilAway> gavin: well, to give you a concrete example, we have a Select All (Ctrl+A) which, if focus is on the textbox, selects all the text in the textbox, otherwise selects all the rows in the tree
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# [22:41] <NeilAway> gavin: so, that's done with a <key key="selectAll" command="cmd_selectAll"/> <command id="cmd_selectAll" oncommand="goDoCommand('cmd_selectAll');"/>
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# [22:41] <NeilAway> gavin: although I can't actually remember whether we need to do it like that, or whether it works automatically for textboxes anyway
# [22:42] <NeilAway> gavin: I think we do it for the menu - the select all menuitem wouldn't select the textbox if it was focused unless it went through the command controller
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# [22:45] <edmorley> for anyone watching inbound, I've triggered some manual PGO to try and reduce the range of the linux pgo bustage
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# [22:46] <ehsan> joe: does the drawn flag also take background images into account?
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# [22:51] <luke> edmorley: my third push bumps a version and may cause the push from the previous two to orange
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# [22:52] <luke> edmorley: i don't know if it makes sense to cancel the build triggered by the first two pushes (b/c the third will cover them all); i heard canceling builds was bad?
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# [22:52] <edmorley> luke: cancelling builds (not tests) leaves the buildslave in a bad state and can burn the next build, so yeah I'll leave them be
# [22:53] <luke> edmorley: righto
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# [22:54] <joe> ehsan: Draw() is called for all images
# [22:54] <ehsan> joe: thanks for the confirmation
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# [23:09] <@bz> ok
# [23:09] <@bz> here's a question
# [23:09] <@bz> how would I detect "the user is scrolling the page"?
# [23:10] <nemo> bz: in javascript that would be the pageYOffset no?
# [23:10] <nemo> or you mean in mozilla?
# [23:11] <nemo> s/mozilla/outside the page/
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# [23:11] <@bz> nemo: I mean "is in the middle of scrolling it"
# [23:12] <@bz> nemo: not "has scrolled"
# [23:12] <nemo> bz: the value is changing? :-p
# [23:12] <@bz> nemo: ideally from inside the presshell
# [23:12] <@bz> nemo: yeah, that's a bit suboptimal
# [23:12] <@bz> but maybe....
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# [23:12] <@bz> maaaaybe
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# [23:13] <mcsmurf> d/dy bigger certain value? ;-)
# [23:13] <mcsmurf> then the user is scrolling
# [23:13] <@bz> yes
# [23:13] <@bz> but I need to compute it at a particular point in time
# [23:13] <@bz> and computing time derivatives of physical quantities takes finite time
# [23:13] <@bz> generally
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# [23:15] <nemo> bz: so "is scrolling" would mean, user has the mouse button down and is clicking on a scrollbar. but. hm. that wouldn't handle mousewheel. you'd need that even too. or some generic "page was moved" event
# [23:15] <nemo> which I don't think exists
# [23:16] <nemo> oh. and using arrow keys. would need that as well :)
# [23:16] <nemo> bz: dunno. if I had to do that, for my simple needs, I would probably just use an interval :)
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# [23:16] <nrc> Bas: (or anyone else who uses visual studio) how do I configure VS (specifically, intellisense) to 'see' all header files in all directories?
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# [23:18] <nrc> At the moment, it is configured to search exported headers, but there are some header files which are not exported during the build and are not in the same directory as the including file, so VS thinks there is an error
# [23:18] <timA> nrc: I think that might be based on the "Additional Include Directories" property of the project
# [23:18] <timA> but it's been a while since I've used VS
# [23:18] <@bz> roc: ping
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# [23:18] <@bz> nemo: your suggested approach may in fact work
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# [23:19] <nrc> timA: thanks, but I think VS cannot do a recursive search in subdirectories, so I would need to include every directory in the whole tree :-(
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# [23:24] <Bas> nrc: Someone had a nice blog post on getting VS setup :)
# [23:25] <Bas> nrc: You want to create an empty project, inside your src dir, and then show all files to see all, files, and then configure some defines and put your dist/include in your additional include directory.
# [23:25] <nrc> http://benoitgirard.wordpress.com/2011/05/27/using-visual-studio-2010-ide/
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# [23:26] <nrc> That is what I have done so far, and any header files exported to dist/include are fine, but files which are not exported give VS a headache :-(
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# [23:26] <nrc> e.g., #include "nsBoxFrame.h" in nsDisplayList.cpp
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# [23:28] <roc> bz: hi
# [23:28] <philor> can we have an hg hook which rejects any push which includes "test_writer_starvation" anywhere in it?
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# [23:28] <philor> after removing Son Of test_writer_starvation, of course
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# [23:29] <Bas> nrc: Most used headers should be exported.
# [23:29] <Bas> And if they are in the same directory as the including file they should also work.
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# [23:32] <nrc> Bas: that is pretty much where I am upto, but the few that are not in the same directory and not exported are annoying me :-) Do you just ignore the intellisense errors?
# [23:33] <Bas> nrc: I barely get any intellisense errors :) Lemme see.
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# [23:33] <nrc> Thanks!
# [23:34] <mcsmurf> can someone here grant bugzilla privs (editbugs, canconfirm)?
# [23:34] <Bas> nrc: Yeah, a couple of the frame ones aren't found when I include nsDisplayList.cpp, I've never had that file included in my project.
# [23:34] <Bas> Just added it for the first time.
# [23:34] <njn> taras: ping
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# [23:35] <taras> njn pong
# [23:36] <njn> taras: what's the story with Snappy triage? I see 94 unprioritized snappy bugs
# [23:36] <taras> njn it's onhold
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# [23:36] <taras> njn focusing on making progress on existing bugs
# [23:36] <nrc> Bas: OK, I guess I'll just include directories manually as I need to, or harden up and ignore the errors :-) Thanks for investigating!
# [23:37] <Bas> nrc: I generally add includes and defines as I add files which need them.
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# [23:37] <njn> taras: are you having snappy meetings still?
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# [23:37] <NeilAway> philor: how about one that rejects setTimeout in any test?
# [23:37] <taras> njn working on putting up nots + blog post
# [23:37] <njn> taras: "nots"?
# [23:38] <taras> njn https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance/Snappy/2012-01-12
# [23:38] <njn> oh, notes
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# [23:39] <philor> NeilAway: that'd be nice, too, or only allow setTimeoutCash, where we automatically deduct a penny from the test author's bank account every time it runs, and a dollar every time it fails
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# [23:39] <timA> nrc, Bas: vsproj files are just xml, so a script might be able to add all the appropriate include dirs to the project
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# [23:40] <philor> or setTimeoutBounce, where you write the test to get past your reviewer, but it automatically disabes itself after running 20 times
# [23:41] <Bas> taras: That page says 'taras said d2d drawing is a cause' do you have anything more specific on that? A bug perhaps? Or are you referring to that guy who had a problem with high memory usage and jank?
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# [23:42] <taras> Bas: that's one case
# [23:42] <taras> another case was my laptop on powersave profile
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# [23:43] <taras> njn anything in particular you need looked at?
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# [23:43] <Bas> taras: Jank, or general slowness? I'd expect throughput problems, not responsiveness issues.
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# [23:44] <njn> taras: I was just discussing bug 716103 with jlebar
# [23:44] <Bas> taras: (For your laptop's powersave case)
# [23:44] <njn> taras: and he mentioned none of the bugs he'd tagged with 'snappy' had been prioritized, so I was just wondering about that
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# [23:45] <Waldo> firebot: ping
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# [23:45] <firebot> Waldo: pong
# [23:45] <taras> njn, that hasn't be prioritized because relevant people are working on other stuff atm
# [23:46] <taras> sorry, lag is causing more typos than usual
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# [23:46] <taras> Bas: switching tabs took seconds
# [23:47] <taras> Bas: that qualifies as both
# [23:47] <njn> taras: is the unprioritized bug count growing steadily?
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# [23:47] <taras> it's slower than it was
# [23:47] <taras> was out of control at first
# [23:48] <Bas> taras: so that's reproducible for you?
# [23:48] <taras> njn: i'll triage next week
# [23:48] <taras> Bas: yup
# [23:48] <taras> Bas: jrmuizel even recorded it in d2d profiler
# [23:48] <taras> we draw too much
# [23:48] <Bas> taras: So IE9 doesn't have the issue?
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# [23:49] <taras> right
# [23:49] <Bas> taras: So we really think it's all due to excessive drawing?
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# [23:49] <taras> cos it draws less
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# [23:50] <taras> the diff between ie/firefox..yes
# [23:50] <taras> hooking up chrome and etc to efresh driver should help
# [23:50] <taras> or so i hope
# [23:50] <Bas> taras: If you want you should try the Azure-Thebes wrapper sometime, it's no magic bullet, but it might help. If it was really just due to us drawing too much I'd expect a big performance difference with IE9 in non-power-saving too :s
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# [23:51] <taras> better invalidation, etc
# [23:51] <taras> but we also need to detect when d2d goes haywire
# [23:51] <Bas> Since IE9 doesn't have this problem apparently we're doing something stupid rather than D2D.
# [23:51] <taras> it draws slower
# [23:51] <taras> but it does 2-3x less draws
# [23:51] <philor> hmm, is that inbound PGO bustage needs-clobber, or bustage bustage?
# [23:52] <taras> and it draws tabs and content async
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# [23:52] <nemo> bz: so. if you did do that, just curious, did you add a polling interval, or did you register for all the possible events that could possibly have done a page move? :)
# [23:52] <taras> ie they optimized ctrl+tab
# [23:52] <taras> so it can cope with slow drawing a lot better
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# [23:53] <philor> xpcom proxies, those don't even exist anymore, do they?
# [23:53] <edmorley> philor: I clobbered just in case, then triggered PGO on that cset plus a few of the ones since the last green
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# [23:54] <edmorley> philor: shouldn't do, so I was hoping it was just clobber-needed
# [23:54] <Bas> taras: It doesn't make any sense whatsoever :-) Do you know if the profile is on any bug?
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# [23:54] <philor> edmorley: thanks :)
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# [23:55] <taras> Bas: i got some txt files laying around from that
# [23:55] <Bas> taras: I'd love to see them :) As much as I'd like to blame layout for this I don't think I should :P
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