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4. # [00:00] <Mossop> RyanVM: Working for those facebook slavedrivers?
5. # [00:00] <RyanVM> he left for facebook?
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8. # [00:01] <sstangl> yes
9. # [00:01] <njn> RyanVM: but he's still the storage module owner!
10. # [00:02] <RyanVM> wow, dunno how I missed that one...
11. # [00:02] <KWierso> he didn't seem to appreciate it when I mass-spammed my email contacts with a Diaspora invite...
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14. # [00:02] <sstangl> KWierso: try Google+ :)
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16. # [00:02] <mcsmurf> :D
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18. # [00:03] <RyanVM> njn: hmm, maybe i'll shoot him a note on fb then
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20. # [00:03] <njn> RyanVM: ping him on fx-team, he still hangs out there sometimes
21. # [00:04] <njn> he's on there now, according to /whois
22. # [00:04] <zpao> njn: look at you, showing off your /whois skillz
23. # [00:04] <zpao> :D
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25. # [00:05] <njn> zpao: YeEEHAHAHAHA
26. # [00:05] <zpao> RyanVM: he still reads bugmail. often in batch, so if it's important pinging directly may be better
27. # [00:05] <RyanVM> seems like FB is the new Google for Mozilla expats
28. # [00:06] <bent> bz, you don't think getting something out of bounds should throw?
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62. # [00:18] <roc> FB is the new hotness
63. # [00:19] * nemo shudders
64. # [00:19] <roc> why not? You can still get pre-IPO options for an IPO that's almost sure to be successful
65. # [00:20] <roc> FB is the first big opportunity like that since Google
66. # [00:20] <nemo> oh. for investing in
67. # [00:20] <nemo> I thought you meant *using* :-p
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70. # [00:20] <roc> no, for working for
71. # [00:21] <nemo> ah. hm.
72. # [00:21] <nemo> well I guess you could work for it and still not use it :)
73. # [00:21] <hub> Apple gives a lot of RSU
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78. # [00:21] <roc> true
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80. # [00:22] <roc> I don't know anything about their respective plans, so there's not much to say
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82. # [00:22] <roc> but there was a window where you could join Google and be pretty sure you were going to get rich overnight
83. # [00:22] <roc> I don't think that's the case with Apple today
84. # [00:23] <heycam> of course it means (some) Apple employees spend half their day monitoring the stock price :)
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86. # [00:23] <roc> I hope I'm not making you regret your decision :-)
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89. # [00:24] <heycam> not at all, still waiting for our IPO to Get Rich Quick though ;)
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91. # [00:24] <hub> heycam: so do ex- employees
92. # [00:24] <hub> :-)
93. # [00:25] <hub> but Apple RSU is not a "get rich fast"
94. # [00:25] <hub> but it is a decent incentive to stay on board
95. # [00:25] <hub> with the vesting schedule
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100. # [00:26] <roc> some of my friends took advantage of the Google window. One of them joined Google when it already looked like a comfortable bet, worked for three or four years, then retired permanently.
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103. # [00:27] <roc> another example of capitalism being inefficient
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105. # [00:27] <Mossop> I'm looking forward to my Mozilla stock options
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111. # [00:31] <darktrojan> we'll give you some free software for browsing the internet instead
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118. # [00:35] <roc> come to think of it, I haven't really seen this come up in the political arguments about taxation, investment and incentives
119. # [00:36] <sfink> our initial public offering is called SeaMonkey these days, isn't it?
120. # [00:36] <roc> political/economic arguments
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122. # [00:36] <roc> probably applies to the copyright issue as well
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124. # [00:37] <roc> J.K. Rowling made so much dosh from Harry Potter, she has no incentive to ever write anything again
125. # [00:37] <darktrojan> roc, occupy short st!
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127. # [00:37] <roc> Occupy Hogwarts!
128. # [00:38] <RyanVM> mak: feel free to set checkin-needed (or just check it in :)) if you want to land it
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130. # [00:38] <mak> RyanVM: ok, not this late though (for me at least)
131. # [00:39] <RyanVM> mak: i'll just set checkin-needed hen
132. # [00:39] <RyanVM> then*
133. # [00:39] <KWierso> ... chicken-needed
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135. # [00:39] <mak> RyanVM: well I can do that tomorrow
136. # [00:39] <jhammel> KWierso: i tried that, its not a keyword :(
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138. # [00:40] <heycam> did the rules for when the little [v] dropdown in the tab bar show up change?
139. # [00:40] <RyanVM> KWierso: Chicken's in teh oven. come on over
140. # [00:40] <heycam> i.e. it doesn't show all the time?
141. # [00:40] <mak> RyanVM: in any case it's better to land when the tree is quiet
142. # [00:40] <darktrojan> yes heycam
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144. # [00:40] <RyanVM> mak: OK, I'll stay out of the way then
145. # [00:40] <KWierso> heycam: only when taboverflow is there
146. # [00:40] <heycam> darktrojan, ok, makes sense, but I have a pref set so that my tabs don't have a minimum width, so I never get overflow
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148. # [00:40] <KWierso> heycam: which is sad, because that's the only easy way to get to about:sync-tabs
149. # [00:41] <heycam> darktrojan, and it is handy to have that dropdown when my tabs are only a favicon wide :)
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151. # [00:41] <darktrojan> heh, yeah I can see why that'd be useful
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155. # [00:42] <darktrojan> KWierso, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/history-button/
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157. # [00:42] <darktrojan> or just type about:sync-tabs :P
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159. # [00:42] * darktrojan notes the screenshot is out of date
160. # [00:42] <KWierso> darktrojan: or I could just move the dropmarker to somewhere where it doesn't match that css selector that hides it
161. # [00:43] <darktrojan> that too
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165. # [00:46] <KWierso> darktrojan: ugh, the dropmarker is still locked to the top-right corner of the dropdown, even when the dropmarker is on the far-left side of the tab bar
166. # [00:47] <KWierso> so the dropdown is outside of Firefox's window bounds for me :(
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168. # [00:48] <darktrojan> I don't understand
169. # [00:49] <darktrojan> oh the all tabs drop down, yeah I see that
170. # [00:49] <darktrojan> ick
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172. # [00:50] <darktrojan> I wonder why it was done like that
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174. # [00:53] <lurking> KWierso: did you see this one ? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716271
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176. # [00:55] <darktrojan> I always wondered why it wasn't there
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183. # [00:57] <romaxa> is tbpl down?
184. # [00:58] <sstangl> romaxa: wfm
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188. # [01:00] <romaxa> sstangl: hmm, for me it works in chrome but not in FF
189. # [01:00] <sstangl> romaxa: I am running the 2012-01-10 nightly.
190. # [01:01] <romaxa> 12.0a1 (2012-01-02)
191. # [01:01] <lurking> running the latest m-c win32 hourly here - and wfm
192. # [01:01] <romaxa> hmm
193. # [01:02] <romaxa> ff restart did help
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195. # [01:02] <romaxa> also at the same time tooltips in bugzilla dependencies stopped working, after restart if become works again
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197. # [01:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/964b118ac852 - Oleg Romashin - Bug 694964 - crash [@ gfxSharedImageSurface::Open]. r=ajuma
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200. # [01:06] <KaiRo> romaxa++
201. # [01:06] * KaiRo loves crash fixes landing
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209. # [01:19] <romaxa> KaiRo: that crash fix possibly fixes the problem... let's see crash stat after that
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212. # [01:21] <KaiRo> romaxa: I hope it does - and if not, even trying is worth something
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215. # [01:24] <romaxa> KaiRo: if you have time try to test it, and catch that crash
216. # [01:24] <KaiRo> romaxa: I don't think I've ever seen it
217. # [01:24] <romaxa> ;)
218. # [01:24] <romaxa> KaiRo: ah, ok
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220. # [01:25] <KaiRo> romaxa: but I filed the bug based on crash reports (as I'm doing crash analysis work)
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230. # [01:32] <edmorley> :-)
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232. # [01:33] <edmorley> \o/ work finished, can finally unwrap the brand new Galaxy II that's been sitting on my desk all day looking at me trying to distract me :-D
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234. # [01:34] <edmorley> <3 mobile test drivers
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263. # [02:02] <@bz> roc: so....
264. # [02:03] <@bz> roc: I'm not sure what to make of http://perf.snarkfest.net/compare-talos/breakdown.html?oldTestIds=9719170&newTestIds=9720323,9720519&testName=tp5_paint
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266. # [02:03] <@bz> roc: seems too good to be true
267. # [02:03] * @bz triggers some more tests
268. # [02:03] <roc> I'll take that
269. # [02:03] <@bz> roc: linux64 doesn't show that much of a change
270. # [02:04] <@bz> roc: no data on Windows and Mac yet
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278. # [02:10] <@bz> roc: while you're here, thoughts on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675015#c8 ?
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282. # [02:11] <reuben> jwatt, it worked! :)
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290. # [02:17] <edmorley> ha, nice https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/37da37b8ee1e
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308. # [02:35] <dholbert> jwatt / jwir3|away: there's a question about using eclipse for debugging firefox on Linux that you guys might have some thoughts on, here: https://intranet.mozilla.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=405
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311. # [02:39] <@bz> roc: that Tp win looks like just confusion on the part of compare-talos
312. # [02:39] <@bz> roc: it got confused by one of the two changesets having pgo builds involved
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317. # [02:44] <philor> BenWa: you broke Android :)
318. # [02:44] <BenWa> philor: bustage fix underway
319. # [02:44] <philor> oh, I mean :(
320. # [02:44] <roc> darn
321. # [02:44] <philor> really, that's what I meant
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323. # [02:46] <philor> bz: yell at mconnor, he claims that problem doesn't exist
324. # [02:46] <@bz> philor: heh
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326. # [02:47] <philor> or possibly at rhelmer, dunno if there's an undocumented api that would let compare-talos not be dumb, or not
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331. # [02:48] <rhelmer> philor: I don't know enough about compare-talos, came up in a "signal from noise" meeting today though that we'd like to be able to provide what it does in graphs.m.o++
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333. # [02:48] <rhelmer> I mean I get the idea, I just don't know how it's implemented
334. # [02:49] <rhelmer> philor: what does it need that it can't get now?
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339. # [02:53] <edmorley> philor: well at least it would save having to star them as bug 714553
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350. # [03:02] <gps> anyone know how I would go about setting up a project on http://ci.mozilla.org/ ?
351. # [03:02] <philor> rhelmer: the api it uses now doesn't distinguish between PGO and non-PGO, and compare-talos needs to be able to treat those as being two separate platforms
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353. # [03:04] <rhelmer> philor: huh i thought everything on graphserver was split to PGO and non-PGO, doesn't compare-talos grab the manifest JSON from graphserver?
354. # [03:04] <rhelmer> i remember the switch to new graphserver broke it until it switched back to graphs-old
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359. # [03:06] <philor> rhelmer: it fetches http://graphs-old.mozilla.org/api/test/runs/revisions?revision=fb5bcf9ae739&revision=c98283f80ae7
360. # [03:06] <rhelmer> philor: oh but it doesn't also get http://graphs-old.mozilla.org/api/test?attribute ?
361. # [03:06] <philor> nope
362. # [03:06] <rhelmer> oops i mean http://graphs-old.mozilla.org/api/test
363. # [03:07] <rhelmer> in graphs2 we have http://graphs-old.mozilla.org/api/test?attribute=short which is more compact
364. # [03:07] <Drugoy> who's running arewefatyet.com?
365. # [03:07] <rhelmer> philor: that should have the mapping of names to test IDs
366. # [03:07] <rhelmer> Drugoy: if that is a typo, somebody better register that stat
367. # [03:08] <Drugoy> arewefaStyet.com
368. # [03:08] <philor> rhelmer: so, runs/revisions has names, but the names are bogus, and instead you have to get the real name elsewhere? is that your final answer? :)
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371. # [03:09] <rhelmer> philor: hmm i don't know tbh
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373. # [03:10] <rhelmer> philor: oh i didn't realize /runs/revisions returns names, ok I'd expect it to work, worth looking into
374. # [03:10] <rhelmer> I assumed it'd return IDs like the normal /runs/ API
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376. # [03:10] <rhelmer> tmyk
377. # [03:12] <Drugoy> how can I set a webmail (gmail) to hook mailto: links another way? I don't like that it opens a window with letter composing in full-screen: i'd like to open https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#compose instead of https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&source=mailto&to=%s
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381. # [03:14] <robarnold> bz: ping? perf question about SetClassName
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384. # [03:15] <philor> so, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound - didn't we used to actually trigger tests on a build, after the build finished?
385. # [03:15] <Drugoy> does anyone know - how to track the cause of a crash when it doesn't trigger the crash reporter?
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388. # [03:17] <philor> edmorley: now *there* is your no need to star :)
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390. # [03:18] <darktrojan> pff, tests
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393. # [03:21] * philor changes topic to 'Bug 701371 needs clobber on all platforms apart from Linux || m-c: CLOSED m-i: CLOSED || Next aurora uplift: January 31st || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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395. # [03:22] <Drugoy> when is everyone usually active here?
396. # [03:22] <hub> Drugoy: people are scattered around the globe. it depends of who you want to talk to
397. # [03:23] <Drugoy> uhm, to anyone
398. # [03:23] <Drugoy> i got some general questions, but everyone ignores me :-/
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402. # [03:25] <mwu> Drugoy: sometimes takes a while and you've only been on 20 min
403. # [03:26] <Drugoy> that kind of approach makes bugs like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18808 live for tens of years :)
404. # [03:26] <mwu> nah that's an entirely different issue
405. # [03:27] <mwu> people don't sit staring at their irc channels all the time
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408. # [03:29] <KWierso> well
409. # [03:29] <KWierso> I do
410. # [03:30] <KWierso> but that's also why I don't know enough to answer anyone's questions ;)
411. # [03:30] <Drugoy> they also don't sit staring at bugzilla all the time... nvm, I've read some irc logs of this channel - and if someone asked a question and didn't get a response within an hour - he won't ever get it.
412. # [03:30] <mwu> you got a whole 30 minutes left :)
413. # [03:31] <ewong> not really.. sometimes you need to be on longer.. for the right people to be online to answer the question
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416. # [03:31] <Mossop> And you need to ask at the right time. Immediately after 5pm US time probably isn't a great time
417. # [03:31] <KWierso> Drugoy: if the crash reporter isn't triggered, you might get some crash logs at the OS level
418. # [03:31] <lurking> orange on m-c linux64 opt
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420. # [03:33] <Drugoy> kwierso: it didn't give me any usable info... :(
421. # [03:33] <edmorley> philor: \o/ seems like a good time for me to go to bed...
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424. # [03:34] <edmorley> lurking: thanks for the spot - is bug 673017 rearing it's head again, no idea what's caused it to crop up so much again
425. # [03:35] <Drugoy> is it a known bug that a pref (cache folder location) that uses a non-existing drive causes an instant crash on fx start even in safe mode?
426. # [03:35] <lurking> ok, I"m no good at figuring them out :P - just thought i might be romaxa's puch
427. # [03:35] <lurking> *puch
428. # [03:35] <lurking> damn
429. # [03:35] <lurking> *push
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431. # [03:36] * philor belatedly rofls at "is more compact"
432. # [03:37] <philor> since api/test?attribute is 64MB of JSON, I now see after my browser finished a 5 minute hang
433. # [03:38] <philor> oh, maybe it isn't finished after all
434. # [03:38] <edmorley> lurking: I just had it in memory (/awesomebar) luckily
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436. # [03:38] <lurking> ahh, ok
437. # [03:39] <lurking> does that need a re-kick ? or does it matter
438. # [03:39] <Drugoy> there is a 12 years old bug and there is a working extension that adds the same feature feature. Is there anyone among mozdevs that could take a look at the extension's code and convert it to a patch to close that damn old bug?
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442. # [03:42] <jwatt> reuben: what worked?
443. # [03:43] <edmorley> lurking: the failure is during make-check, so the build finished ok, so doesn't really need retriggering
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446. # [03:44] <lurking> ok , tnx
447. # [03:45] <Drugoy> how to make browser not tell the sites opened in the background that they are not in the active tab? I regard it as a private info leakage.
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449. # [03:50] <Drugoy> I'll go to sleep for now (it's almost 7 am in Moscow), but I'll read the chat log later, so I'll be glad if someone could answer any of my questions and I'll curse all of you with a voodoo magic called "tiny penis" if you'll keep ignoring me.
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479. # [04:20] <jlebar> joe, fyi, I'm out tomorrow, so I'll get back to the decode patch later.
480. # [04:20] <joe> np
481. # [04:20] <jlebar> joe, s/later/Tuesday.
482. # [04:21] <joe> out monday too?
483. # [04:21] <jlebar> joe, All of the US is.
484. # [04:21] <joe> for real?
485. # [04:21] <joe> it was just new year's day!
486. # [04:21] <jlebar> joe, or I'm making up a paid holidy...let me see.
487. # [04:21] <joe> Mon, Jan 16 ~ Martin Luther King Jr. Birthday
488. # [04:21] <joe> seems you're right
489. # [04:21] <jlebar> Cool.
490. # [04:22] <jlebar> firebot, if anyone asks, I'll be back on Tuesday.
491. # [04:22] <firebot> jlebar: Sorry, I've no idea what 'if anyone asks, I'll be back on Tuesday' might be.
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498. # [04:29] <@bz> firebot, jlebar
499. # [04:29] <firebot> bz: jlebar is out until August 22nd
500. # [04:30] <joe> !seen jlebar
501. # [04:30] <firebot> jlebar was last seen 7 minutes and 32 seconds ago, changing nick to jlebar|away.
502. # [04:30] <nthomas> seems unliekly
503. # [04:30] <@bz> firebot, no, jlebar is out until Tuesday, January 17, 2012
504. # [04:30] <joe> see
505. # [04:30] <firebot> bz: ok
506. # [04:30] <joe> it doesn't work if you do anything after the last thing you say
507. # [04:30] <@bz> firebot, no, jlebar is out until Tuesday, January 17, 2012. After that he's back in the mines.
508. # [04:30] <firebot> bz: ok
509. # [04:30] <@bz> there we go
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511. # [04:31] <darktrojan> firebot, botsnack
512. # [04:31] * firebot beams
513. # [04:33] * nthomas wonders how edmorley got past the tree closure hook on inbound
514. # [04:33] <edmorley> magic
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516. # [04:34] * nthomas goes with 'the hook is busted'
517. # [04:34] <edmorley> the merge to inbound was no conflict and fixes the (currently hidden) native debug bustage, and I wanted to see if tests are indeed triggered, now that the tree-closure bug is 'fixed'
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519. # [04:34] <nthomas> ye of little faith ;-)
520. # [04:35] <nthomas> so seriously, did you sneak it open for the time it took to push ?
521. # [04:35] <edmorley> yes
522. # [04:35] <edmorley> don't worry, the hook is functioning
523. # [04:35] <nthomas> ok, causality is intact
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525. # [04:35] <edmorley> :-)
526. # [04:35] <nthomas> I shall leave opening the trees in your hands
527. # [04:36] <nthomas> let me know if there's any tests need backfilling
528. # [04:37] * philor|away is now known as philor
529. # [04:37] <edmorley> will do (though it's slightly later than planned already, so don't want to be too much longer)
530. # [04:38] <philor> weren't you supposed to go to bed two hours ago?
531. # [04:38] <philor> that only leaves you two more in the standard overrun
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536. # [04:41] <mconnor> philor: I said it wasn't really a c-t issue
537. # [04:42] <mconnor> philor: just like you can compare csets between branches
538. # [04:47] <philor> I wouldn't say "just like" - you can choose to be confused and get bad results, or, you can have absolutely no choice but to silently get bad results, those aren't quite equivalent
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540. # [04:48] <philor> the good part is, it's clearly a graphserver bug; the bad part is, it's clearly a graphs-old bug
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543. # [04:50] <philor> but by increasing the weight of compare-talos by just 64MB, we could fix it!
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546. # [04:50] <jdm> what the crap
547. # [04:51] <jdm> I am watching 89 users and 42 components
548. # [04:51] <jdm> why do I do this to myself?
549. # [04:51] <Jesse> you must really like bugmail
550. # [04:52] <jdm> you'd think that, wouldn't you
551. # [04:52] <@bz> jdm: heh
552. # [04:52] <@bz> jdm: an excellent question
553. # [04:52] <@bz> jdm: are you also cced on thousands of bugs?
554. # [04:53] <jdm> bz: actually no! I have two separate bugmail labels, and I only CC myself to bugs that I am particularly interested in
555. # [04:53] <jdm> that way I don't actually miss things that are important to me
556. # [04:53] <@bz> jdm: ah, ok
557. # [04:53] <jdm> I'm somewhere over 1000 CCs now, I think
558. # [04:53] <@bz> jdm: that's not too bad
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560. # [04:53] <jdm> but yeah, if I leave my email for a week, there's ~3000 unread threads sitting there iirc
561. # [04:53] <darktrojan> are you planning to replace gavinbot?
562. # [04:54] * @bz checks numbers for Jesse, on a lark
563. # [04:54] <Jesse> yikes, i'm CCed on 2338
564. # [04:54] <@bz> jesse: you are?
565. # [04:54] <@bz> jesse: I really doubt that
566. # [04:54] <@bz> jesse: since you're filer or cced on 21562
567. # [04:54] <jdm> Jesse: how many are fuzzer bugs? :)
568. # [04:54] <@bz> jesse: did you only look at open bugs or something?
569. # [04:54] <Jesse> only open bugs
570. # [04:54] <@bz> ah
571. # [04:54] <Jesse> closed bugs get less spam ;)
572. # [04:55] <@bz> sometimes
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574. # [04:55] <jdm> in my defense, a large number of the users I watch are new contributors
575. # [04:55] <jdm> any time I see the (First Patch) label, I watch them
576. # [04:55] <Jesse> jdm: ooh, that's an interesting strategy
577. # [04:56] <jdm> I do my best to be aware of all the work being done by casual contributors
578. # [04:56] <ewong> jdm++
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580. # [05:00] <@bz> jdm: that's awesome
581. # [05:00] * @bz sets up sockpuppets to confuse jdm. ;)
582. # [05:00] <jdm> D:
583. # [05:00] <Jesse> jdm: only ~99 of my CCs are fuzzer bugs (filed by gkw and decoder)
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591. # [05:08] <edmorley> I'm heading to bed, the trees should be fine now, but can someone else re-open once a few more tests have appeared
592. # [05:08] <edmorley> philor: are you around still? :-)
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594. # [05:09] <philor> edmorley: yep, I'll take the keys, go to sleep!
595. # [05:11] <philor> huh, that's a weird pattern of done and scheduled
596. # [05:11] * philor refreshes harder
597. # [05:11] * edmorley puts the new phone down and heads to bed
598. # [05:11] <edmorley> g'night
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623. # [05:41] <njn> how do we get stack traces when Firefox crashes?
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630. # [05:43] <joe> njn: which part do you want explained?
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632. # [05:43] <njn> joe: I want to get stack traces in a different part of the browser
633. # [05:43] <joe> njn: google breakpad runs in a separate process (I believe separate process), and then dumps the stack into a minidump
634. # [05:43] <joe> those minidumps are they processed by "socorro" (crash-stats)
635. # [05:44] <njn> which bit reads the debug info to get the line numbers?
636. # [05:44] * bent is now known as IRCMonkey17924
637. # [05:44] <joe> socorro
638. # [05:44] <joe> on the server
639. # [05:44] <njn> ah crap
640. # [05:44] <joe> now, we do have some stack walking technology
641. # [05:44] <joe> BenWa: knows more about it
642. # [05:44] <njn> joe: does it get line numbers as well?
643. # [05:45] <joe> not sure
644. # [05:45] <joe> "probably"
645. # [05:45] <njn> joe: DMD is a Valgrind tool, but the only things it uses from Valgrind's core are malloc-interception, and stack walking + debug info
646. # [05:45] <njn> it'd be great if I could implement it within Firefox
647. # [05:45] <njn> much faster
648. # [05:45] <njn> would work on Windows
649. # [05:45] <njn> etc
650. # [05:46] <joe> the profiler that benwa and jrmuizel are building is meant to work everywhere
651. # [05:46] <joe> i'm not clear on how (if?) they are planning to work without a frame pointer
652. # [05:46] <njn> I don't mind if this stuff needs a special build flag, I already have one
653. # [05:47] <njn> hmm, I do rely on Valgrind's stack trace matching, too
654. # [05:47] <joe> ehsan: where's the profiling branch?
655. # [05:47] <Jesse> njn: then you should probably have valgrind create the stack trace ;)
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657. # [05:48] <joe> aha
658. # [05:48] <joe> njn: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/M4l5jl75dEs
659. # [05:48] <njn> Jesse: Valgrind sucks :/
660. # [05:48] <njn> I mean, it's great, but it sucks
661. # [05:48] <joe> breaking news!
662. # [05:49] <njn> Jesse: imagine if people other than me could run DMD when heap-unclassified got high
663. # [05:49] * njn dreams a little
664. # [05:50] <joe> njn: that would be seriously awesome
665. # [05:50] <joe> you should integrate that into the profiler
666. # [05:50] <Jesse> njn: what do you want stack traces for?
667. # [05:50] <njn> joe: as long as I have malloc interception (which we can hack into jemalloc.c) and stack traces with line numbers, it should be doable
668. # [05:51] <njn> Jesse: DMD finds all these unreported heap blocks, and you need a way to identify where they're coming from
669. # [05:51] <njn> so it tags each block with the stack trace from its allocation site
670. # [05:51] <@bz> Jesse: blaming unreported allocations on whoever allocated them
671. # [05:51] <joe> njn: if you're online in around 12 hours, you should be able to connect with jrmuizel, ehsan and BenWa
672. # [05:51] <joe> this is your path towards success
673. # [05:51] <njn> Jesse: it also tag blocks when they're reported with their report site, which is useful when blocks are double-counted
674. # [05:51] <Jesse> njn: i use breakpad + minidump_stackwalk for crashes; NS_DEBUG_BREAK=stack + fix_stack_using_bpsyms for assertions; and gdb manually
675. # [05:52] <njn> Jesse: I don't understand that comment sufficiently :(
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677. # [05:52] <Jesse> a bunch of different ways to get stack traces ;)
678. # [05:53] <Jesse> i don't understand why you can't use valgrind's stack trace generation for what you're doing
679. # [05:53] <njn> Jesse: suitable for doing frequently within the browser?
680. # [05:53] <joe> <njn> Jesse: Valgrind sucks :/
681. # [05:53] <njn> Jesse: I don't want to use Valgrind at all, it's too slow and doesn't work on windows
682. # [05:53] <joe> ^ see above
683. # [05:53] <njn> Jesse: and I have to maintain an out-of-tree patch
684. # [05:53] <Jesse> oh, you're trying to make something that's like DMD but not based on valgrind?
685. # [05:54] <njn> Jesse: exactly, DMD within Firefox
686. # [05:54] <njn> so it's fast and anyone can run it
687. # [05:54] <njn> well, anyone with an appropriate build, it wouldn't be on by default
688. # [05:54] <Jesse> i'm pretty sure you want to look into trace-malloc
689. # [05:54] <@bz> "You recently received your annual credit report from Equifax, but you need to know your credit score to stay on top of your financial health."
690. # [05:55] * @bz notes that tbird correctly flagged this as spam
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692. # [05:56] <ehsan> joe, njn: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-profiling
693. # [05:56] <ehsan> I'm going to sleep BTW
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695. # [05:56] <joe> you're like, a million weeks too late
696. # [05:56] <ehsan> in case you guys care :P
697. # [05:56] <ddahl> dumb question... I have a uuid for a new component, but I need the CID, like #define NS_CRYPTO_HMAC_CID {0xa496d0a2, 0xdff7, 0x4e23, {0xbd, 0x65, 0x1c, 0xa7, 0x42, 0xfa, 0x17, 0x8a}} - how is it related? is there an automated way to get that snippet?
698. # [05:56] <joe> i already found all the things
699. # [05:56] <ehsan> joe: why is that?
700. # [05:56] <njn> Jesse: that's an excellent idea... there's a lot of overlap with trace-malloc
701. # [05:56] <ehsan> joe: the thing you found are just remnants of the truth
702. # [05:57] <joe> ddahl: /msg firebot cid
703. # [05:57] <ehsan> joe: I hold the truth
704. # [05:57] <ehsan> joe: so the best you could do is to find me
705. # [05:57] <ehsan> :P
706. # [05:57] <ddahl> joe: so that is not related to the UUID at all?
707. # [05:57] <joe> and there you are
708. # [05:57] <joe> ddahl: they are just different formats for the same data
709. # [05:57] <ehsan> ok
710. # [05:57] <ehsan> I'm gonna sleep
711. # [05:57] <joe> FINE
712. # [05:57] <ddahl> joe: gotacha, thx!
713. # [05:57] <ehsan> but keep my computer on
714. # [05:58] <joe> beep beep beep ehsan
715. # [05:58] <joe> beep beep beep ehsan
716. # [05:58] <joe> beep beep beep ehsan
717. # [05:58] <ehsan> cause emscripten tests are blazingly fast
718. # [05:58] <ehsan> joe: MUTE :P
719. # [05:58] <joe> :(
720. # [05:58] <ehsan> lol
721. # [05:58] <ehsan> joe: I will bug you in person tomorrow
722. # [05:58] <joe> fine
723. # [05:58] <ehsan> without mercy
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726. # [05:59] <ehsan> it's so hard to resist hitting the caps lock key before having these conversations at this hour
727. # [05:59] * ehsan goes to sleep
728. # [05:59] <joe> caps lock is cruise control for cool
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730. # [05:59] <ehsan> FOR REALZ NOW
731. # [05:59] * joe too
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740. # [06:07] <dolske> did someone say beep?
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758. # [06:24] <mbrubeck> Is there an open bug for extra newlines appearing between lines in textareas? I'm seeing this a lot in bugzilla in recent nightlies, but I can also reproduce it in data:text/html,<textarea>
759. # [06:24] * mbrubeck tries searching Bugzilla harder
760. # [06:25] <@bz> mbrubeck: open, no
761. # [06:26] * globbot is now known as glob
762. # [06:26] <@bz> mbrubeck: it's fixed
763. # [06:26] <@bz> mbrubeck: update
764. # [06:27] * philor|away is now known as philor
765. # [06:27] <mbrubeck> sweet
766. # [06:27] <mbrubeck> hmm, my nightly says it's up to date
767. # [06:27] <KWierso> update harder
768. # [06:28] <@bz> hrm
769. # [06:28] <@bz> odd
770. # [06:28] <@bz> which nightly do you have?
771. # [06:28] <mbrubeck> mozilla-central Linux64 nightly: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0a1) Gecko/20120112 Firefox/12.0a1
772. # [06:29] <mbrubeck> from http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8ffdb4c7404a
773. # [06:29] <@bz> hrm
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775. # [06:29] <@bz> that's really odd
776. # [06:29] <@bz> might need to file a bug, then....
777. # [06:29] <mbrubeck> I can reproduce the problem in a fresh profile with no extensions.
778. # [06:30] <mbrubeck> okay, will do
779. # [06:30] <@bz> find a regression range?
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782. # [06:30] <mbrubeck> yeah, I can do that.
783. # [06:30] <@bz> thanks!
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787. # [06:32] <WeirdAl> hm, how often are reviewers nagged for requests?
788. # [06:32] <@bz> as often as someone does it?
789. # [06:32] <WeirdAl> ah, I thought I'd heard something about automated nag messages
790. # [06:33] <@bz> not yet
791. # [06:33] <glob> WeirdAl, automated nagging starts this weekend
792. # [06:33] <@bz> oh, interesting
793. # [06:33] <glob> all, enjoy!
794. # [06:33] <WeirdAl> heh
795. # [06:33] <WeirdAl> nice.
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797. # [06:34] <WeirdAl> it's funny, I've been around the project all these years, but never quite enough to be a reviewer on anything official
798. # [06:34] <josh> bsmedberg: I have a fix for the Pandora bug that doesn't seem to regress anything else. Posting the updated patch now.
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800. # [06:34] <WeirdAl> just the way it goes
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804. # [06:35] * WeirdAl is not griping
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807. # [06:38] <josh> roc: 90268 is finally ready for review again
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810. # [06:41] <roc> reat
811. # [06:41] <roc> great
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813. # [06:41] <mbrubeck> bz: filed bug 717852
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818. # [06:43] <dolske> WeirdAl: you now own Printing. congrats.
819. # [06:43] <WeirdAl> dolske - you're kidding, right?
820. # [06:43] <dolske> maybe?
821. # [06:44] <WeirdAl> I'm not gonna do reviews in code I've never even looked at, much less tried to patch
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824. # [06:44] <derf> Never stopped me.
825. # [06:44] * dolske goes back to reviewing a printing patch in code he's never looked at or patched. :D
826. # [06:45] <WeirdAl> you guys scare me.
827. # [06:45] <WeirdAl> seriously
828. # [06:45] <derf> If reviews were perfect, we wouldn't need all those pesky tests.
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831. # [06:46] <dolske> if tests were perfect, we wouldn't need all those pesky reviews!
832. # [06:46] <dolske> ^5
833. # [06:46] <derf> Word.
834. # [06:47] <@bz> dolske: sure we would
835. # [06:47] <@bz> dolske: to screen out unmaintainable code
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837. # [06:48] <dolske> no, there would be tests for that. :)
838. # [06:48] <@bz> dolske: the outcome of no reviews, bad code, and perfect tests are modules where any change fails tests
839. # [06:48] <@bz> dolske: heh
840. # [06:48] <@bz> dolske: ok, maybe we need to define "perfect"
841. # [06:48] <dolske> ;)
842. # [06:48] <WeirdAl> bz - teaching to the test?
843. # [06:49] <@bz> dolske: I'm thinking in "perfect oracle" terms: if the code is correct, the test passes otherwise it fails
844. # [06:49] <@bz> dolske: but just testing correct, not "understandable by mere mortals"
845. # [06:49] <dolske> somewhere, Larry Ellison just smiled.
846. # [06:50] <@bz> not that sort of oracle!
847. # [06:50] <dolske> bz: yes, back here in the real world tests could never replace review.
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849. # [06:50] <@bz> the interesting thing you could maybe do with perfect tests is solve some sorts of problems by throwing hardware at them
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851. # [06:50] <@bz> need to figure out how to improve perf on some page without regressing correctness?
852. # [06:51] <@bz> just generate random changes to the code and test perf
853. # [06:51] <@bz> some sort of genetic algorithm....
854. # [06:51] <khuey> WeirdAl: well, printing code can't really be any worse
855. # [06:51] <@bz> and so forth
856. # [06:51] <@bz> There's some literature on the subject: people have done this with FPGAs
857. # [06:51] <@bz> they came out with some surprising results
858. # [06:52] <WeirdAl> khuey: sure it can, let an amateur fumble around in there for a little while
859. # [06:52] <@bz> khuey: it could crash exploitably on all pages
860. # [06:52] <@bz> khuey: I mean..
861. # [06:52] <@bz> khuey: "worse" is pretty limitless. ;)
862. # [06:52] <dolske> bz: like the example where they got results that were unique to the FPGA, because it was exploiting extremely subtle hardware differences?
863. # [06:52] <@bz> khuey: it could post all your credit card numbers and love letters on facebook and then wipe your hard drive
864. # [06:53] <@bz> khuey: (well, assuming the love letters aren't on facebook already)
865. # [06:53] <@bz> dolske: that sort of thing, yes
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867. # [06:53] <@bz> dolske: also things like circuits that actually depended on current leakage between adjacent elements and the like
868. # [06:53] <dolske> yeah.
869. # [06:53] * dolske remembers discussing this on IRC at some point, greps a year of logs...
870. # [06:53] <khuey> bz: I kinda want to patch printing to start Global Thermonuclear War now
871. # [06:54] <@bz> dolske: so about what you expect from evolutionary approaches. ;)
872. # [06:54] <roc> josh: who did you mean to request review from?
873. # [06:54] <@bz> khuey: we can only manage that if users in Iran use our software
874. # [06:54] <khuey> lol
875. # [06:54] <@bz> khuey: but at that point...
876. # [06:54] <@bz> khuey: all bets are off
877. # [06:54] <WeirdAl> >:D
878. # [06:54] <WeirdAl> err
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880. # [06:54] <dolske> khuey: would you like to play a game?
881. # [06:54] <josh> roc: I was just correcting the request, it was supposed to point to you
882. # [06:54] <khuey> dolske: nah, gotta pack
883. # [06:55] <@bz> khuey: if you can just get printing to get some ballistic missiles launched targeting the Stannis...
884. # [06:55] <roc> there's a whole research area on evolutionary programming
885. # [06:55] <@bz> khuey: that might well get us there. :(
886. # [06:55] <dolske> khuey: correct solution. ;-)
887. # [06:55] <WeirdAl> X-D
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889. # [06:55] <@bz> khuey: packing again?
890. # [06:55] <@bz> khuey: or still?
891. # [06:56] <WeirdAl> back in a bit, folks
892. # [06:56] <dolske> Linux is already ready for the new printing code! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lp0_on_fire
893. # [06:56] <khuey> bz: packing again
894. # [06:56] <khuey> bz: switching locations for the weekend ;-)
895. # [06:56] <@bz> khuey: ah
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897. # [06:56] <@bz> khuey: trying to stay ahead of the law, eh?
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899. # [06:57] <khuey> bz: sure, we'll go with that
900. # [06:57] <khuey> speaking of the law
901. # [06:57] * khuey was pretty surprised at how easy it was to get in the EU
902. # [06:57] <WeirdAl> is MoCo still doing all-hands in San Jose? I need to start thinking about who to invite to dinner.
903. # [06:57] <@bz> khuey: visa waiver ftw
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905. # [06:57] <roc> no, there won't be any more all-hands
906. # [06:57] <khuey> all they did was glance at my passport, determine I wasn't shady, and stamp it
907. # [06:57] <@bz> khuey: travel to visa waiver countries is generally pretty easy
908. # [06:57] <@bz> khuey: yup
909. # [06:58] <khuey> and there wasn't a customs process at all
910. # [06:58] <WeirdAl> roc - hm, too bad.
911. # [06:58] <@bz> khuey: hmm
912. # [06:58] <@bz> khuey: no form to fill out at all?
913. # [06:58] * khuey should have smuggled some cocaine
914. # [06:58] <khuey> bz: nothing whatsoever
915. # [06:58] * @bz can't recall how that worked last time he went there
916. # [06:58] <dolske> WeirdAl: the 1-armed developers complained.
917. # [06:58] <khuey> no forms, no declarations, nobody even looked at my bags
918. # [06:58] <@bz> khuey: well, there's always the way back. ;)
919. # [06:58] <WeirdAl> ??
920. # [06:58] * dolske slinks off
921. # [06:58] <khuey> oh yes
922. # [06:58] <khuey> getting back into the US will be fun
923. # [06:58] <@bz> khuey: not looking at bags is normal if nothing declared
924. # [06:59] <khuey> yeah, I suppose that makes sense
925. # [06:59] <khuey> is it weird that I was excited to actually get a stamp in my passport?
926. # [07:00] <khuey> the canadians never bother
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928. # [07:01] <philor> awesome, two unfiled oranges on a whitespace push
929. # [07:01] <glob> khuey, i've had the same "rubber stamp" entry every time i've gone to the US
930. # [07:02] <khuey> glob: interesting
931. # [07:02] <khuey> I thought we were hardasses ;-)
932. # [07:02] <glob> khuey, the first time i got asked one question: "business?"
933. # [07:02] <glob> khuey, otherwise, *stamp*
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935. # [07:03] * khuey tries to remember if he's ever been asked why he was visiting canada
936. # [07:03] <glob> khuey, it was harder getting back into australia
937. # [07:03] <khuey> ha
938. # [07:03] <khuey> getting back into the US was definitely harder than getting into canada
939. # [07:03] <glob> (we have very string quarantine)
940. # [07:03] <glob> string? strict
941. # [07:03] <khuey> ah
942. # [07:04] <khuey> we just have a crazy government
943. # [07:04] <glob> that's a global problem
944. # [07:04] <khuey> true
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946. # [07:06] <glob> although you did exceptionally well electing bush.w, twice. c'grats on that :)
947. # [07:06] * khuey was too young to vote
948. # [07:07] <khuey> so I plead my innocence
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951. # [07:08] * philor changes topic to 'Bug 701371 needs clobber on all platforms apart from Linux || m-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: January 31st || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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953. # [07:09] <mbrubeck> whee, first chance to hg bisect with the new laptop
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958. # [07:16] <@bz> the problem is not the crazy gov't per se
959. # [07:16] <@bz> the problem is the crazy bureaucracy
960. # [07:16] <@bz> these are related but not identical problems
961. # [07:16] <@bz> glob: fwiw....
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963. # [07:16] <glob> bz++
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965. # [07:16] <@bz> glob: if you think we would have been better off with Kerry, I have a bridge to sell you. ;)
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967. # [07:17] <@bz> glob: what we need is one term of someone like Paul but without the lunacy
968. # [07:17] <@bz> glob: and enough spine in congress to de-fund some things
969. # [07:17] <@bz> glob: not likely to happen, either one
970. # [07:18] * @bz is really not sure how to "fix" the US political system
971. # [07:18] <@bz> And furthermore I'm not sure it was ever in any other state
972. # [07:19] <@bz> I mean.... the 1900s and 1930s, if you read carefully, weren't exactly free of shenanigans
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976. # [07:20] <@bz> I wonder whether congress could operate the way the NH legislature does
977. # [07:21] <khuey> ron paul is pretty frustrating
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979. # [07:21] <khuey> he gets some things so right and other things so incredibly wrong
980. # [07:21] <@bz> khuey; like I said, Paul without the lunacy
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982. # [07:22] <@bz> khuey: dunno how feasible that is
983. # [07:22] <khuey> not very, most likely
984. # [07:22] <@bz> http://www.empirecenter.org/html/legislative_salaries.cfm is a very interesting read, btw
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986. # [07:22] * @bz points to the New Hampshire line
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989. # [07:23] <@bz> compare to, say, PA
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991. # [07:24] <@bz> or heck, CA
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994. # [07:25] <khuey> salaries really aren't the interesting part
995. # [07:25] <@bz> well
996. # [07:25] <@bz> sure
997. # [07:25] <@bz> there's also the contributions and whatnot
998. # [07:25] <khuey> legislators (at least here in florida) routinely make tons of money
999. # [07:25] <khuey> even though their salaray on paper is slow
1000. # [07:25] <khuey> er
1001. # [07:25] <khuey> low
1002. # [07:26] <khuey> through a variety of methods
1003. # [07:26] <khuey> some more shady than others
1004. # [07:26] <@bz> the other interesting thing with NH is that it has like 400 members in the state house
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1006. # [07:26] <josh> zpao: Did you want to cancel reviews on v0.6 of your Lion fullscreen support patch? Do I only need to review 0.7?
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1008. # [07:26] <@bz> khuey: so each one represents like 3400 constituents
1009. # [07:27] <zpao> joe: yea, v0.6 can be cancelled (i think it was just feedback requests)
1010. # [07:27] <zpao> err, josh^
1011. # [07:28] <josh> zpao: thanks
1012. # [07:28] * zpao cancels those
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1014. # [07:28] <@bz> khuey: that sort of thing doesn't scale to someplace like FL
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1016. # [07:29] <zpao> josh: thanks for looking at that!
1017. # [07:29] <@bz> khuey: though looks like FL has 120 members in the state legislature
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1019. # [07:29] <josh> zpao: np, I may not finish the review tonight but hopefully some time tomorrow
1020. # [07:29] <@bz> khuey: so they could add a few if desired. ;)
1021. # [07:29] <khuey> bz: not at those ratios, sure
1022. # [07:29] <khuey> bz: but taking for example, CA, where there are state legislature districts bigger than US house districts ...
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1024. # [07:30] <@bz> khuey: I figure the more there are of them, the less power each one has.
1025. # [07:30] <@bz> khuey: yep
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1027. # [07:30] <zpao> josh: sounds good. i've been working on the followups so it can all land as close together as possible - so i'm not really blocked
1028. # [07:30] * khuey generally thinks that the representative/constituent ratio should be as large as possible without making the legislature non-functional
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1030. # [07:30] <@bz> khuey: agreed
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1032. # [07:30] <biesi> khuey, where did you travel to that you got a stamp?
1033. # [07:30] <khuey> biesi: paris
1034. # [07:31] <biesi> nice
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1036. # [07:31] <josh> zpao: I'm trying to apply your patches so i can build, applying them in order doesn't seem to work
1037. # [07:31] <khuey> bz: and of course, something like that was tried with the bill of rights
1038. # [07:31] <khuey> they screwed up the language though
1039. # [07:31] <khuey> and it never got adopted of course
1040. # [07:32] <josh> zpao: maybe the second patch is just bitrotted?
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1043. # [07:32] <zpao> josh: oh you need bug 539601
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1048. # [07:34] <josh> zpao: that patch is definitely bitrotted, the widget file paths changed
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1052. # [07:35] <josh> someone removed "src" from "widget/src"
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1055. # [07:35] <zpao> josh: v0.7 was updated after that. i don't see anything with widget/src in there anymore
1056. # [07:35] <@bz> ok
1057. # [07:36] <@bz> bedtime
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1060. # [07:36] <zpao> josh: oh the blocking bug does
1061. # [07:36] <zpao> right, sorry
1062. # [07:37] <josh> zpao: even with the blocking patch paths fixed, there are conflicts in browser.js
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1066. # [07:37] <josh> zpao: I really want to be able to build with your patch set for my review, can you post updated patches?
1067. # [07:38] <zpao> josh: ah sorry! there's another blocking bug in my queue
1068. # [07:38] <josh> hg diff
1069. # [07:38] <zpao> it landed but didn't make it to m-c yet
1070. # [07:39] <josh> sorry, wrong text input :)
1071. # [07:39] <zpao> https://bug717030.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=587520
1072. # [07:39] <zpao> drr, no... (sorry1)
1073. # [07:39] <zpao> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/raw-rev/932d5d369d4e
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1075. # [07:41] <zpao> that _should_ do it. i also think we want bug 714911 though.
1076. # [07:41] <josh> zpao: now everything applies, thanks
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1079. # [07:42] <zpao> i don't think it blocks (but i need to check on an objc exception i saw at one point)
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1086. # [07:47] <zpao> josh: if you wanted to take the review on bug 539601 from mstange, i wouldn't complain :) i'd poked him originally (that was 2 years ago already... wow)
1087. # [07:48] <philor> oopsie, we regressed test_bug343416.xul yesterday morning
1088. # [07:49] <philor> apparently it's not a good idea to have your intermittent failure bug summarized as "fails intermittently"
1089. # [07:49] <philor> unless you want new failures lumped in with the old, I guess
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1097. # [07:54] <josh> zpao: I'll take the review
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1102. # [07:59] <darktrojan> Unfocused, so short of stuff to review you're stealing them now?
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1104. # [08:00] <Unfocused> heh
1105. # [08:00] <Unfocused> shh, don't tell dave
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1108. # [08:00] <KWierso> he'll never notice
1109. # [08:01] <darktrojan> it's lucky I checked, nearly wrote the wrong name in the commit message
1110. # [08:01] * darktrojan pushes
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1113. # [08:01] <Unfocused> it helps
1114. # [08:01] <darktrojan> :-/
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1116. # [08:03] <KWierso> oshi, my ldap password burns up tomorrow
1117. # [08:03] * KWierso should really change that thing
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1119. # [08:04] <nigelb> Relevant. http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/6109
1120. # [08:04] <KWierso> heh
1121. # [08:04] <nigelb> :)
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1129. # [08:12] <ewong> :D
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1131. # [08:15] <darktrojan> how long does an ldap password last?
1132. # [08:15] * darktrojan should probably know this
1133. # [08:15] <KWierso> 3 months?
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1136. # [08:16] <darktrojan> oh there are multiple ldaps, aren't there
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1149. # [08:37] <SeoZ> hi
1150. # [08:37] <KWierso> howdy
1151. # [08:37] <SeoZ> :)
1152. # [08:39] <Unfocused> darktrojan: remember to set in-testsuite / in-litmus flags, in addition to milestone
1153. # [08:39] <darktrojan> oh yeah
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1155. # [08:40] <darktrojan> both - ?
1156. # [08:40] <Unfocused> yep
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1158. # [08:40] <Unfocused> ty!
1159. # [08:40] * darktrojan never really understood those properly, and the tooltips are confusing
1160. # [08:42] <Unfocused> in-testsuite for when you've added a unit test for it, in-litmus for when you think it should be tested, but it can't be done except by having a person sit down and try it (set it to ? in that case, and comment on why)
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1162. # [08:43] <Unfocused> of course, there's stuff that can't really be tested manually either... :\
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1196. # [09:19] <Callek> LegNeato++
1197. # [09:19] <Callek> for his .planning calm and articulate reply to a frustrated user about rapid-release :-)
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1209. # [09:55] <glazou> bonjour
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1211. # [09:55] <darktrojan> mornin'
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1244. # [10:42] <darktrojan> njn, about:memory doesn't have any textarea or input
1245. # [10:42] <njn> darktrojan: correct
1246. # [10:43] <darktrojan> oh I guess it just clears the zombie, doesn't get one of its own
1247. # [10:43] <njn> darktrojan: and the page is always open when doing this experiment anyway
1248. # [10:44] <njn> darktrojan: I'm gradually reducing a test case, getting pretty close
1249. # [10:44] <darktrojan> │ ├──────72,168 B (00.07%) -- compartment(about:robots)
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1252. # [10:46] <darktrojan> I think I've also run into the same leak in view selection source
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1255. # [10:56] <njn> darktrojan: I just finished minimizing, test case in the bug
1256. # [10:57] <darktrojan> yeah I see
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1258. # [10:57] <darktrojan> that explains why about:robots gets it
1259. # [10:57] <darktrojan> how odd
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1261. # [11:01] <njn> darktrojan: it seems to be the onclick handler
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1271. # [11:18] <Ms2ger> [mq]: fix-my-bug
1272. # [11:19] <darktrojan> helpful patch name
1273. # [11:20] <mattwoodrow> Delivers as promised too
1274. # [11:20] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, yeah, propagating OOM makes sense, just wanted to make sure it was intentional
1275. # [11:21] <Ms2ger> mattwoodrow, if you don't mind crashing, I guess it does :)
1276. # [11:21] <mattwoodrow> Ms2ger: Well it fixed *a* bug
1277. # [11:21] <mattwoodrow> Not all the bugs :)
1278. # [11:21] <Ms2ger> How unfortunate :)
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1283. # [11:22] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: ok
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1319. # [12:11] <mak> Ms2ger: thanks for meeting in the middle of the merge!
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1321. # [12:12] <Ms2ger> Np :)
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1323. # [12:14] <khuey> "Shuttle/BART/Taxi/donkeys/etc"
1324. # [12:14] <khuey> gotta love bz
1325. # [12:15] <Ms2ger> We all do
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1330. # [12:24] <firebot> jfkthame was last seen 11 hours, 30 minutes and 21 seconds ago, changing nick to jfkthame_afk.
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1337. # [12:35] <jfkthame> edmorley: thx for that.... bizarre, though, as i definitely remember tryserver'ing this
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1340. # [12:38] <edmorley> jfkthame: np
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1347. # [12:46] <khuey> ehsan: awake?
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1353. # [12:48] <khuey> who wants to rewrite nsTypeAheadFind in JS? :-)
1354. # [12:49] <Yoric> khuey: I am willing to suggest this to students.
1355. # [12:49] <Ms2ger> Not me
1356. # [12:49] <khuey> Yoric: heh
1357. # [12:49] <Yoric> Is there a real need?
1358. # [12:50] <khuey> seems kind of mean to give to students
1359. # [12:50] <khuey> refactoring nasty code
1360. # [12:50] <NeilAway> khuey: also it uses nsIPresShell
1361. # [12:50] <khuey> NeilAway: ah, darn
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1374. # [13:01] <@smaug> hsivonen: so if (mParser && mWriteState != eDocumentClosed) { does get executed?
1375. # [13:02] <@smaug> doesn't your change then affect when load event is dispatched
1376. # [13:02] <Ms2ger> smaug, freelance writer
1377. # [13:03] * hsivonen looks
1378. # [13:03] <hsivonen> smaug: no tests fail, at least
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1381. # [13:04] <@smaug> hsivonen: er, not load, but DOMContentLoaded
1382. # [13:06] * khuey stabs Ms2ger
1383. # [13:06] <hsivonen> smaug: if DOMContentLoaded does change, wouldn't the old code have been wrong per spec?
1384. # [13:06] * Ms2ger dies
1385. # [13:07] <@smaug> hsivonen: would it?
1386. # [13:07] * khuey buries Ms2ger in an unmarked grave
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1389. # [13:07] <khuey> you'll have to get in line
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1391. # [13:08] <hsivonen> smaug: well, with the patch, the EndLoad stuff should run when the parser actually finishes
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1394. # [13:09] <hsivonen> smaug: if without the patch, the EndLoad stuff got delayed in ways that our unit tests don't catch, that would have been wrong, since stuff would have happened later than when the parser finished
1395. # [13:10] <hsivonen> smaug: the code I'm removing has no basis in the spec, AFAICT, and the patch doesn't affect our test suite
1396. # [13:10] <Ms2ger> Sounds like somebody gets to write some tests :)
1397. # [13:10] <hsivonen> smaug: and the patch doesn't affect the test case that the code being removed originally fixed
1398. # [13:10] <hsivonen> smaug: other than those considerations, dunno
1399. # [13:10] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: well, you could hardly expect a marked grave, could you?
1400. # [13:11] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, fair
1401. # [13:11] <khuey> gravestones are expensive
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1404. # [13:11] <@smaug> hsivonen: how are you going to fix bug 717180?
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1406. # [13:12] <Ms2ger> With lots of pain?
1407. # [13:12] <hsivonen> smaug: probably by making window.location set a "ignore document.write" flag on the old document
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1409. # [13:13] <hsivonen> smaug: but unclear at this point, since no one has been nice enough to explain what WebKit/IE/Opera do
1410. # [13:13] <hsivonen> oh. he left
1411. # [13:14] <NeilAway> khuey: actually I thought it wouldn't have been in keeping with his air of mystery
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1417. # [13:23] <@smaug> hsivonen: sorry, got disconnected
1418. # [13:23] * @smaug kicks our new SSL stuff which just breaks badly occasionally
1419. # [13:24] <Ms2ger> <hsivonen> smaug: but unclear at this point, since no one has been nice enough to explain what WebKit/IE/Opera do
1420. # [13:24] <Ms2ger> <hsivonen> oh. he left
1421. # [13:24] * davehunt|away is now known as davehunt
1422. # [13:25] <@smaug> hsivonen: I am little bit worry about removing code if we don't know what all that will affect
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1424. # [13:25] <hsivonen> smaug: probably by making window.location set a "ignore document.write" flag on the old document
1425. # [13:25] <@smaug> hsivonen: also, that is the plan for Bug 717180 ?
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1427. # [13:25] <hsivonen> smaug: but unclear at this point, since no one has been nice enough to explain what WebKit/IE/Opera do
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1429. # [13:25] <hsivonen> smaug: well, AFAICT, the code doesn't affect anything we know how to observe
1430. # [13:26] <hsivonen> smaug: including the reason why the code existed in the first place
1431. # [13:26] <@smaug> DOMContentLoaded dispatching could be different, no ?
1432. # [13:27] <hsivonen> smaug: maybe, but by code inspection, *if* there's a change there, it's a change towards better spec-compliane
1433. # [13:27] <hsivonen> *compliance
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1435. # [13:28] <@smaug> hsivonen: any chance you could test this ?
1436. # [13:29] <hsivonen> smaug: sounds like I have to. :-(
1437. # [13:29] <@smaug> sorry
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1443. # [13:37] <hsivonen> smaug: OK. I've got an observable change to the better! http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1302
1444. # [13:38] <hsivonen> smaug: without the patch, DOMContentLoaded for the script-created doc never fires
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1446. # [13:40] <Ms2ger> Using w twice did confuse me :)
1447. # [13:40] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: oops
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1449. # [13:41] <hsivonen> I suppose I now have to bake this into a mochitest...
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1482. # [14:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/742d5f9f284d - Olli Pettay - Bug 704583 - Add testing mode to FocusManager, p=enn,smaug r=smaug,enn
1483. # [14:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/790cd9bba7f5 - Olli Pettay - Bug 716004 - Traverse nsXBLDocumentInfo less often, r=jst,mccr8
1484. # [14:35] <Ms2ger> mounir, be nice to my minion ;)
1485. # [14:36] <mounir> jhk: using already_addrefed to return the history object
1486. # [14:36] <mounir> so we return something instead of returning void and having an out param
1487. # [14:37] <Ms2ger> Tut tut, who landed on unstarred orange?
1488. # [14:37] <Ms2ger> 5579 failures, one could star that!
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1490. # [14:38] <@smaug> bah
1491. # [14:38] <@smaug> Ms2ger: sorry
1492. # [14:38] * Ms2ger kicks the log
1493. # [14:38] <Ms2ger> smaug, just kidding ;)
1494. # [14:39] <Ms2ger> "Misc libraries fail to link on mingw due to missing -luserenv"
1495. # [14:39] <Ms2ger> Sounds like something for ted
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1497. # [14:39] <@smaug> "Fetching summary failed."
1498. # [14:39] <@smaug> Ms2ger: oh, you got the summary
1499. # [14:39] <@smaug> or log
1500. # [14:40] <@smaug> btw, has getParsedLog.php changed lately ?
1501. # [14:40] * Ms2ger goes with the old searching-bugzilla approach
1502. # [14:41] <@smaug> or did tbpl point to some other place of logs
1503. # [14:41] <Ms2ger> Argh
1504. # [14:41] <@smaug> since I think something has made loading logs slower
1505. # [14:41] <Ms2ger> I star it, and just now tbpl finds the summary
1506. # [14:41] <hsivonen> so updates to Firefox 9 still aren't unthrottled for Windows because of a Netflix issue on Mac?
1507. # [14:42] <hsivonen> U.S. Mac users holding back Windows and the rest of the world?
1508. # [14:42] <@smaug> what netflix issue?
1509. # [14:42] <bhearsum> hsivonen: we don't have the ability to unthrottle only one platform
1510. # [14:43] <hsivonen> bhearsum: :-(
1511. # [14:43] <bhearsum> yeah :(
1512. # [14:44] <catlee> soon!
1513. # [14:44] <bhearsum> -ish
1514. # [14:44] <bhearsum> we _could_ completely turn off mac updates (that is, disable manual updates too) and unthrottle windows/linux - but generally we want to always have manual updates available
1515. # [14:44] <hsivonen> smaug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715396
1516. # [14:45] <hsivonen> bhearsum: does this mean that 3.6 users still aren't being prompted with the 9.0.1 update?
1517. # [14:46] <bhearsum> yes, but that's a different switch entirely
1518. # [14:46] <bhearsum> drivers don't want to flip it until the netflix thing is worked out
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1522. # [14:47] <hsivonen> :-(
1523. # [14:47] <Ms2ger> Drivers? Sitters, you mean! ;)
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1528. # [14:49] <khuey> we're violent people
1529. # [14:49] <khuey> apparently
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1531. # [14:52] <AutomatedTester> smaug: thanks for landing the test mode patch!
1532. # [14:52] <@smaug> AutomatedTester: you're welcome
1533. # [14:53] <AutomatedTester> smaug: its actually made my day
1534. # [14:53] <@smaug> if you need more features, please file bugs and CC me and Enn
1535. # [14:53] <AutomatedTester> most definitely will
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1547. # [15:05] <@smaug> hsivonen: btw, did you test what other browsers do ?
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1549. # [15:06] <@smaug> hsivonen: and your test patch doesn't have the test file
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1551. # [15:07] <@smaug> how do I access a server called gandalf
1552. # [15:07] <gandalf> hsivonen: ping
1553. # [15:07] <gandalf> :)
1554. # [15:08] <@smaug> gandalf: talking about different gandalf :)
1555. # [15:08] <@smaug> gandalf: but perhaps you know the answer
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1558. # [15:08] <gandalf> I connect to myself via VNC
1559. # [15:09] <gandalf> smaug: I did react to the highlight, but in fact I'm really trying to ping hsivonen ;)
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1564. # [15:11] <hsivonen> smaug: you need to connect to the mountain view office via VPN
1565. # [15:11] <@smaug> I wonder which server to connect using ssh...
1566. # [15:11] <hsivonen> gandalf: pong
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1568. # [15:11] <gandalf> hsivonen: wanted to get your feedback on the syntax proposal for one l20n feature, can you join #l20n? :)
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1576. # [15:20] <tbsaunde> smaug: iirc you can ssh to office.mtv1.mozilla.com then to gandalf
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1578. # [15:20] <@smaug> ah, office.m..
1579. # [15:20] <tbsaunde> if gandalf is on the mtv1 which I'm assuming is the case
1580. # [15:20] <@smaug> I was trying to get via people.m
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1582. # [15:22] <@smaug> not in /mnt
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1593. # [15:39] <@smaug> so, could someone grab a file from gandalf to me?
1594. # [15:41] <mounir> jhk: are you still interested by form:invalid bug?
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1596. # [15:42] <jhk> mounir:yes
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1599. # [15:44] <mounir> jhk: cool :)
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1608. # [15:47] <mounir> Ms2ger: I didn't met to re-put the review flag
1609. # [15:47] <Ms2ger> :)
1610. # [15:47] <mounir> I think there was a collision while commenting
1611. # [15:47] <mounir> s/met/meant/
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1614. # [15:49] <Ms2ger> Yeah, you were repeating my comments ;)
1615. # [15:50] <mounir> Ms2ger: that's a point of view
1616. # [15:50] <Ms2ger> Well, it is mine :)
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1632. # [15:58] <jhk> mounir , ms2ger : Is it right indent? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1447905
1633. # [15:59] <Ms2ger> Looks good, thanks
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1636. # [16:00] <mounir> I'm getting quite tired of it
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1652. # [16:18] <imphil> are there somewhere (close-to-release) versions of ff 3.6 win32 which don't come with the installer but in the zip archive (I don't always want to install Firefox to find a regression)?
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1659. # [16:21] <gcp> what exactly do you mean with close-to-release?
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1661. # [16:22] <imphil> gcp, either the release builds or a nightly which is just a couple days/hours older than the released version
1662. # [16:23] <gcp> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Firefox3.6
1663. # [16:23] <gcp> click on a build
1664. # [16:23] <gcp> hmm, output of this should be on the ftp somewhere
1665. # [16:24] <imphil> I think I know where they are on ftp
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1668. # [16:25] <snorp> bsmedberg: ping?
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1671. # [16:27] <imphil> ah, there is one :) ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/3.6.25-candidates/build1/unsigned/win32/en-US/
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1674. # [16:31] <froydnj> about:telemetry declares {min,max}Version; how do I make it compatible-by-default?
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1676. # [16:31] <gcp> imphil: hmm, seems to be installers too
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1687. # [16:38] <imphil> gcp, the unsigned build has the zip as well, that works for me
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1733. # [17:09] <Ms2ger> Huh
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1735. # [17:10] <Ms2ger> "Nightly prevented this site (bugzilla.mozilla.org) from asking you to install software on your computer"
1736. # [17:11] <mounir> Ms2ger: be careful with those mozilla guys
1737. # [17:11] <Ms2ger> Yeah, I don't trust them
1738. # [17:11] <philor> mayhemer: your push seems a little lacking in "actually compiles"
1739. # [17:11] <Ms2ger> Myself least of all
1740. # [17:12] <mayhemer> philor: pushing a fix right now
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1747. # [17:15] <gerv> Can someone point me at a doc about, or teach me directly to interpret test output?
1748. # [17:15] <beltzner> ... what kind of test?
1749. # [17:15] <gerv> I just pushed to try, with what the TryChooser told me are the same set of tests as m-c,
1750. # [17:15] <gerv> and got various failures - I think.
1751. # [17:15] <beltzner> like, the output of the Australia/India test is pretty clear, I think
1752. # [17:15] <gerv> But the output has the word "FAIL" in it a lot;
1753. # [17:15] <gerv> which are actual failures?
1754. # [17:15] <gerv> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/gerv@mozilla.org-147c0a15122d/try-linux64/try_fedora64_test-jsreftest-build794.txt.gz
1755. # [17:16] <beltzner> gerv: that's a difficult question to answer
1756. # [17:16] * Ms2ger waits until the failure shows up on tbpl
1757. # [17:16] <gerv> beltzner: various failures in that test, too.
1758. # [17:16] <beltzner> seriously
1759. # [17:16] <gerv> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=147c0a15122d
1760. # [17:16] <Ms2ger> All grey here
1761. # [17:16] <beltzner> gerv: so, FAIL means that a test failed
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1763. # [17:16] <beltzner> some tests are expected to fail, though
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1765. # [17:17] <@bz> gerv: does it say "FAIL" or "UNEXPECTED FAIL"?
1766. # [17:17] <beltzner> I think (it's been a while) that you need to look for UNEXPECTED FAIL
1767. # [17:17] <beltzner> that still right, bz?
1768. # [17:17] <gerv> OK.
1769. # [17:17] <@bz> yep
1770. # [17:17] <@bz> in any case
1771. # [17:17] <Ms2ger> WIth a dash
1772. # [17:17] <@bz> what you want to do is wait until https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=147c0a15122d shows you some colors
1773. # [17:17] <gerv> Ah!
1774. # [17:17] <@bz> then click on the non-green ones
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1776. # [17:17] <@bz> then you'll get more info
1777. # [17:17] <@bz> maybe
1778. # [17:17] <beltzner> what does purple mean?
1779. # [17:17] <gerv> Found them, thanks.
1780. # [17:17] <Ms2ger> Infra
1781. # [17:18] <@bz> purple means infra fail
1782. # [17:18] <Ms2ger> Usually
1783. # [17:18] <beltzner> ah
1784. # [17:18] <@bz> yeah, usually
1785. # [17:18] <beltzner> orange means test failures
1786. # [17:18] <@bz> for android it could mean it's a wednesday
1787. # [17:18] <Ms2ger> Click the help link top left of the page
1788. # [17:18] <beltzner> red means build failures
1789. # [17:18] <beltzner> bz: zing
1790. # [17:18] <mayhemer> philor: done, (I love the commit message hook..... )
1791. # [17:18] <beltzner> gerv: btw, my new employers got me into cricket, completely
1792. # [17:20] <gerv> Turns out changing the license in a file breaks some tests.
1793. # [17:21] <@bz> gerv: you were warned... ;)
1794. # [17:21] <gerv> JS tests which depend on the number of lines in the test source file, for example...
1795. # [17:21] <philor> sad but true
1796. # [17:21] <gerv> Yes, but only 6 of them.
1797. # [17:21] <gerv> Which isn't too bad.
1798. # [17:21] <imphil> bz, jonas doesn't seem to get to it, is it ok if I assign r? to you on bug 694754 (like the other bug on almost the same topic)?
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1803. # [17:24] <Ms2ger> imphil, ah, you've got to know Jonas ;)
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1806. # [17:25] <mounir> imphil: get him mail address and send him some cookies
1807. # [17:25] <Ms2ger> mounir, does that help?
1808. # [17:26] <mounir> Ms2ger: it might
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1810. # [17:26] <mounir> Ms2ger: send my some and I will make that happen ;)
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1813. # [17:27] <Ms2ger> Will he be in Paris? :)
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1815. # [17:27] <mounir> Ms2ger: unfortunately not
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1817. # [17:27] <Ms2ger> Hmm
1818. # [17:27] <mounir> Ms2ger: he should be there in February though, for the b2g work week
1819. # [17:27] <mrbkap> mounir: oh, really?
1820. # [17:27] * mrbkap didn't know that.
1821. # [17:27] <Ms2ger> Does that trick work with peterv? I think he owes me some reviews as well
1822. # [17:28] <mounir> Ms2ger: I don't think so
1823. # [17:28] <Ms2ger> Cigarettes?
1824. # [17:28] <mrbkap> mounir: did you see the fennec startup crash bug?
1825. # [17:28] <mrbkap> hah!
1826. # [17:28] <imphil> Ms2ger, mounir if he's at fosdem I'll buy him a beer/beverage of choice :)
1827. # [17:28] * mrbkap tries to imagine peterv smoking.
1828. # [17:28] <mounir> mrbkap: Ms2ger's fix didn't fix it
1829. # [17:28] <mrbkap> mounir: oh :(
1830. # [17:29] <mounir> Ms2ger: I can't imagine anything to buy peterv's reviews
1831. # [17:29] <Ms2ger> Doesn't smoke? Booze, then?
1832. # [17:29] <mounir> Ms2ger: fix some leaks?
1833. # [17:29] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: I've never seen him drink, either.
1834. # [17:29] <Ms2ger> Er
1835. # [17:29] <Ms2ger> Does he eat?
1836. # [17:29] <Ms2ger> Breathe?
1837. # [17:29] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: which is a real waste, considering that he's Belgian.
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1840. # [17:29] <Ms2ger> Yeah, all drunks, those Belgians
1841. # [17:29] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: I've heard rumors of him eating, but they're as yet unconfirmed :)
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1843. # [17:30] <imphil> so why doesn't mozillians.org have a field for "preferred review bribe gift"?
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1845. # [17:30] <mrbkap> imphil++
1846. # [17:30] <Ms2ger> File a bug!
1847. # [17:30] <mounir> imphil++
1848. # [17:30] <Ms2ger> Attach a patch!
1849. # [17:30] <mounir> imphil: CC me plz :)
1850. # [17:30] <Ms2ger> Don't ask Jonas to review it!
1851. # [17:30] <jhammel> imphil: you obviously have insufficient LDAP access to see it ;)
1852. # [17:32] <imphil> jhammel, what is required? commit level 1 or moco employee? Or security group? :)
1853. # [17:32] <Ms2ger> The "Asa" bugzilla group :)
1854. # [17:32] <NeilAway> gerv++
1855. # [17:33] <gerv> NeilAway: What for? :-)
1856. # [17:34] <NeilAway> gerv: breaking tests by changing comments
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1863. # [17:41] <Yoric> gavin: ping
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1870. # [17:43] <NeilAway> gerv: um, really?
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1872. # [17:44] <mbrubeck> philor's whitespace patch regressed Dromaeo CSS. :P
1873. # [17:45] <philor> mbrubeck: and triggered two "never-before-seen" test failures
1874. # [17:45] <Ms2ger> Backout!
1875. # [17:45] <philor> that was a really crappy patch on my part
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1877. # [17:45] <philor> next time I'll stick to removing whitespace in browser/, like always
1878. # [17:45] <gerv> Really.
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1880. # [17:46] <gerv> NeilAway: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717947
1881. # [17:48] <gerv> So how come I've had emails over an hour ago about the success or otherwise of my Try build, and yet tbpl is still entirely grey?
1882. # [17:48] <gerv> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=147c0a15122d
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1884. # [17:48] <Ms2ger> Might be that tbpl isn't picking up stuff on a branch
1885. # [17:48] <Ms2ger> philor would know
1886. # [17:48] <Ms2ger> (As he's omniscient)
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1891. # [17:50] <mbrubeck> Yeah, looks like a tbpl issue
1892. # [17:50] <mbrubeck> gerv: See self-serve: https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/try/rev/147c0a15122d
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1894. # [17:50] <mbrubeck> lsblakk|buildduty: Is there a known problem with tbpl not updating on Try?
1895. # [17:50] <philor> gerv: because the job finishes on the slave, the slave tells the master, the master emails you, then eventually it tells something else, puts something in a db, a machine which is absolutely not suitable for being a bottleneck in the tier 1 line of business flow tries to recreate the builds-4hr json file, but fails because it's fighting with other things running on it, ...
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1897. # [17:51] <philor> mbrubeck: there's a known problem with tbpl not updating anywhere, it's just that try is the only place where you know how bad it is, unless you watch for things to pop up, and then check when they actually finished
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1900. # [17:52] <philor> because of the multiple polling intervals, 15 minutes is totally normal, but 30 or 45 is the new normal
1901. # [17:52] <lsblakk|buildduty> mbrubeck: nothing known about try specifically, the most common issue is the build data lagging on updating
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1906. # [17:54] <Pike> lsblakk|buildduty: I'll shut down the poller on the l10n dashboard, too
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1908. # [17:55] <lsblakk|buildduty> k
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1920. # [18:04] <davidb> is this our new boilerplate for source files? http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/headers/
1921. # [18:04] <davidb> (cc askalski, tbsaunde ^)
1922. # [18:05] <Ms2ger> davidb, yup
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1924. # [18:06] <bwinton> davidb: Yeah, sweet eh? :)
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1927. # [18:06] <davidb> Ms2ger: thanks.
1928. # [18:06] <davidb> bwinton: yes!
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1932. # [18:08] <bwinton> davidb: On the downside, my script to automatically pick the appropriate license header (from http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/boilerplate-1.1/mpl-tri-license-*.txt) no longer works. :(
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1935. # [18:09] <jhammel> nor mine :(
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1938. # [18:12] <davidb> heh. of all the development process things to complain about.
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1943. # [18:13] -lsblakk|buildduty:#developers- hg upgrade is starting now
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1945. # [18:14] <ddahl> trying to fix this problem: TypeError: Cc['@mozilla.org/domcrypt-internal-api;1'] is undefined. I just defined a new interface and now assume I have not added all of the correct XPCOM IMPL gunk. see: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1447980 - any guidance would be great:)
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1950. # [18:21] <bsmedberg> bug 712032 is an example of an intermittent orange bug hurting itself so that nobody wants it
1951. # [18:21] <bsmedberg> unless somebody has invented a way to filter out the useless comments on it
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1956. # [18:23] <mak> bsmedberg: "Collapse TinderboxPushlog Comments" ?
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1959. # [18:23] <bsmedberg> mak: I mean in email
1960. # [18:23] <mak> ah sorry
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1962. # [18:24] <bsmedberg> the online report is just unreadable, but it doen't make it harder to fix the bug for the most part...
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1964. # [18:24] <bsmedberg> the constant swarm of meaningless email on the other hand...
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1967. # [18:26] <jesup> bsmedberg: use a 'real' programmable mail client like Gnus? Or use procmail? :-)
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1992. # [18:50] <jwir3> hm so are all the trees completely down, even to pull from?
1993. # [18:50] <gavin> Yoric: pong
1994. # [18:50] <Yoric> hi
1995. # [18:50] <jwatt> jwir3: I think there's an hg upgrade going on
1996. # [18:50] <jwir3> jwatt: ah
1997. # [18:50] <Yoric> gavin: any chance you could take a look at my updated patch?
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1999. # [18:51] <Y> yo dawgz
2000. # [18:51] <gavin> Yoric: yes, it was a high priority for today
2001. # [18:51] <Yoric> Great :)
2002. # [18:51] <gavin> I need to drive to mountain view first though
2003. # [18:51] <Yoric> Thanks.
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2007. # [18:52] <Y> is it possible to make an addon store it's info in permissions.sqlite file and use about:permissions page to show per-site settings?
2008. # [18:52] <jdm> margaret: ^
2009. # [18:53] <gavin> Y: yes, just use the nsIPermissionManager
2010. # [18:53] <gavin> though to have it show up in about:permissions you'd need to make changes to that page too
2011. # [18:53] <Y> mhm, how?
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2014. # [18:54] <Y> btw, I usually notice outdated/incorrect info on MDN pages, whom to contact about that?
2015. # [18:55] <gavin> sign up for an account, update it yourself? :)
2016. # [18:55] <dholbert> it's a wiki! :)
2017. # [18:55] <gavin> otherwise you can mention it here, though
2018. # [18:55] <dholbert> or if you can find the bug in question (that made the info outdated/incorrect), you can add "dev-doc-needed" on that bug
2019. # [18:56] <Y> oh, never noticed that small "sign in", or maybe I did but thought it's for staff only
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2021. # [18:56] <Y> and whom to contact about adding localizations to the support.mozilla.org pages?
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2023. # [18:57] <Y> woops, same answer :)
2024. # [18:57] <luke> bsmedberg: yeehaa!
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2027. # [18:58] <ehsan> who wants to review a test change?
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2029. # [18:59] <ehsan> gavin?
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2032. # [19:00] <ehsan> gavin: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=588444&action=edit
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2036. # [19:01] <bent> bz, apparently i have to learn jquery to get this demo to work
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2038. # [19:01] <@bz> bent: :(
2039. # [19:01] <gavin> ehsan: r+
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2043. # [19:02] <gavin> ok really going now
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2047. # [19:05] <margaret> Y: you can probably make an overlay to aboutPermissions.xul
2048. # [19:05] <blassey> where is ted?
2049. # [19:05] <margaret> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/preferences/aboutPermissions.xul
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2052. # [19:06] <margaret> Y: i haven't made enough add-ons to know the best strategies for adding things to exisiting in-content browser pages
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2063. # [19:09] <Y> margaret: do overlays replace the existing pages or they actually work as overlaying layers above the existing ones?
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2067. # [19:10] <bent> margaret, i was going to ask earlier but forgot... are there plans to move about:permissions somewhere more discoverable?
2068. # [19:10] <margaret> Y: i think you can do either, but in this case you'd just want to add a new pref-item
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2071. # [19:11] <margaret> i think you can just append another hbox inside permissions-box
2072. # [19:11] <Y> margaret: are you margaret leibovic?
2073. # [19:11] <dougt> is hg.mozilla.org down?
2074. # [19:11] <margaret> but i'm really not familiar with all this stuff, so i'm probably not the best person to ask
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2076. # [19:11] <margaret> yes
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2078. # [19:11] <philor> dougt: yeah, part of the downtime
2079. # [19:11] <dougt> yeah, lets do down time on a work day. wtf
2080. # [19:11] <@smaug> dougt: CLOSED. Downtime 9am-12pm PDT
2081. # [19:11] <Y> margaret: so you are someone that is responsible for interfaces in Fx, right?
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2084. # [19:12] <margaret> i've worked on things in firefox, if that's what you mean
2085. # [19:12] <@smaug> er what "The search named releng-needs-treeclosure has not been made visible to you."
2086. # [19:13] <@smaug> why does tbpl has a link to such search o_O
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2088. # [19:13] <Y> margaret: could you please tell me - are there any plans on improvement of about:home page?
2089. # [19:14] <philor> smaug: if you don't ask your question by prefixing lsblakk|buildduty, it's unlikely to be heard
2090. # [19:14] <margaret> Y: yes, but i'm not working on that
2091. # [19:14] <Y> margaret: i'd like to see multiple search engines on that page, and it would be extra awesome, if it could contain a configurable list of the links to some sites too
2092. # [19:15] <margaret> bug 711157 has some mock-ups
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2094. # [19:15] <@smaug> philor: I was just wondering.
2095. # [19:16] <@smaug> philor: I didn't use '?' :)
2096. # [19:16] <margaret> Y: i have to go, but you can probably get better answers in #ux
2097. # [19:16] * jaws|away is now known as jaws
2098. # [19:16] <philor> smaug: ah, true, it was observational comedy rather than a question, I missed that ;)
2099. # [19:16] <Y> margaret: okay, thank you
2100. # [19:16] <bent> margaret, did you see my question above?
2101. # [19:16] <margaret> bent: no, sorry
2102. # [19:17] <bent> oh, np, just wondering if we're going to move about:permissions somewhere more discoverable
2103. # [19:17] <bent> pageinfo, prefs, etc
2104. # [19:18] <@smaug> I'm careful with punctuation marks, though I use them like in Finnish (since I have no idea what the rules are in English)
2105. # [19:18] <margaret> bent: there are bugs filed about replacing page info with it, but it needs more ux work, and seems to always be a low priority
2106. # [19:18] <bent> hm
2107. # [19:19] <bent> ok, thanks
2108. # [19:19] <margaret> i don't really like that there are redundant interfaces for permissions right now
2109. # [19:19] * bent will start poking people
2110. # [19:19] * mjessome|lunch is now known as mjessome
2111. # [19:19] <bent> yeah, especially for offline storage, it's a friggin mess
2112. # [19:19] <margaret> cool, jaws has a college class working on re-doing preferences, so maybe he can get the next semester to do permissions
2113. # [19:20] <ehsan> gavin: thanks
2114. # [19:20] <margaret> leverage the community! :)
2115. # [19:20] <margaret> ok, i really have to go now - bbl
2116. # [19:20] <bent> k, thanks
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2126. # [19:25] <JonathanS> hg site down?
2127. # [19:25] <Ms2ger> smaug, "if asking a questions, use ?"
2128. # [19:25] <Ms2ger> JonathanS, see topic
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2131. # [19:25] <JonathanS> Ms2ger, so it is closed?
2132. # [19:25] <Ms2ger> Yep
2133. # [19:27] <jimm> getting an upgrade I guess
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2167. # [19:49] <bsmedberg> josh: still doesn't work :-(
2168. # [19:50] <josh> bsmedberg: Is the problem at least different? I got a basic win7 vm set up (no dev tools) and just tested, doesn't work for me either but it's not the same symptoms.
2169. # [19:50] <bsmedberg> it doesn't look different to me yet
2170. # [19:50] <bsmedberg> I'm trying pandora and my minimal testcase
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2175. # [19:52] <bsmedberg> the stream is only delivered once, but that doesn't seem to have fixed the Flash problem
2176. # [19:52] <josh> So your minimal test case isn't fixed either?
2177. # [19:52] <bsmedberg> no
2178. # [19:52] <josh> ugh
2179. # [19:52] <bsmedberg> so apparently the stream bug was unrelated
2180. # [19:52] <bsmedberg> damn
2181. # [19:52] <josh> good that we caught it anyway
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2184. # [19:53] <josh> One thing I noticed in debugging is that the stream traffic happens before an object frame is created, maybe Flash doesn't like that.
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2188. # [20:01] <dria> n/win 13
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2194. # [20:01] <jaws> bent: can you send me an email with the details of what you're trying to accomplish?
2195. # [20:02] <bent> jaws, nothing concrete
2196. # [20:02] <bent> jaws, i implemented indexeddb, and am about to rejigger appcache and localstorage
2197. # [20:02] <jaws> ok thanks
2198. # [20:02] <bent> jaws, so having the prefs scattered all over and the management ui so fractured suckx
2199. # [20:03] <bent> sucks
2200. # [20:03] <bent> i'm not a ux guy so no idea how it should work, just pretty sure it shouldn't work like it does currently
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2206. # [20:06] <jaws> bent: k, feel free to ask questions in #ux and people will be happy to help you if you have any questions
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2208. # [20:06] <bent> jaws, i think the only real question i have is why does this stuff continue to be low priority ;)
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2211. # [20:06] <bent> at some point someone is going to have to say "we want this fixed"
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2214. # [20:07] <jaws> bent: which stuff?
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2216. # [20:08] <squib> who should i CC on a windows theme bug with XUL widgets?
2217. # [20:08] <squib> (it's bug 715825 if anyone cares to look)
2218. # [20:08] <bent> jaws, about:permissions, consolidating that with pageinfo, consolidating all of that with prefs dialog (specifically offline cache stuff)
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2221. # [20:10] <bent> jaws, sorry, figured you had that context from my earlier conversation with margaret
2222. # [20:10] <jaws> squib: what kind of feedback are you looking for?
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2227. # [20:11] <jaws> bent: your work might be overlapping with the work of moving prefs to in-content
2228. # [20:11] <squib> jaws: either someone to patch it themselves or to review a patch i write to fix it
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2234. # [20:12] <jaws> squib: if you upload a patch i will be happy to help you shepherd it through the review process
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2236. # [20:13] <bent> jaws, well, i'm not actually doing UI work yet. at some point soon though i will change the way that appcache and localstorage work, and then the existing (fractured) UI will break.
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2238. # [20:13] <bent> jaws, so if there is larger work concerning this stuff i'd love to cc myself to it
2239. # [20:13] <squib> jaws: cool, thanks. most of my work is on thunderbird, so my knowledge of who to ping for review on firefox/toolkit bugs is pretty limited
2240. # [20:14] <_KAMI_> Hi, is the mercurial repository working for you? I got Not Found error...
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2242. # [20:14] <bwinton> squib: Just use my getReviewer.py script! ;)
2243. # [20:14] <Mook_as> _KAMI_: it's down, scheduled to be back in about an hour (see /topic)
2244. # [20:14] <WG9s> _KAMI_: see topic downtime till 12PM Pacific time.
2245. # [20:14] <squib> bwinton: that's true
2246. # [20:15] <squib> i do have it installed on my dev box
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2248. # [20:15] <squib> i guess now i need to figure out how to fix the dropdown issues i mention in the bug...
2249. # [20:15] <reuben> I usually like finding a suitable reviewer, it tends to give you useful information about the origins of the code you're changing
2250. # [20:16] <jaws> bent: i don
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2253. # [20:16] <jaws> bent: i don't think there are any bugs on file yet. but you can follow this page for more information: https://wiki.mozilla.org/In-content_preferences
2254. # [20:17] <jaws> bent: i'll file a meta bug today and you can CC yourself to that
2255. # [20:17] <bent> jaws, or just cc me (:bent) :)
2256. # [20:17] <bent> thanks either way
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2258. # [20:18] <jaws> bent: ok, i'll CC you :)
2259. # [20:18] <bent> oh, so that's just about removing the dialogs and moving everything to content
2260. # [20:18] <bent> i see
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2263. # [20:20] <squib> hmm, i should try to find the thunderbird omni-prefs mockups; they could conceivably be useful for in-content prefs
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2265. # [20:20] <@dbaron> bz, any thoughts on what I ought to debug if my Firefox instance has gone into the state where it's constantly cycle collecting?
2266. # [20:21] <squib> here we are: http://clarkbw.net/designs/mega-prefs/
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2268. # [20:21] <_KAMI_> Mook_as: WG9s thanks! I will wait with my commit :oD
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2273. # [20:29] * @dbaron curses at the effect of dom/battery/ on the ability to autocomplete dom/base/, again...
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2276. # [20:30] <Ms2ger> Yeah, I complained at mounir as soon as he landed it too
2277. # [20:31] <Ms2ger> mounir, what do you think about dom/device/battery, btw? :)
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2279. # [20:31] <@dbaron> Why do facebook like buttons run timeouts?
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2282. # [20:32] <@dbaron> (I set a breakpoint in nsGlobalWindow::RunTimeout to see what's using up all the CPU, and it's entirely like buttons.)
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2284. # [20:32] <mcsmurf> is javascript.options.jitprofiling.chrome the new pref for javascript.options.jit.chrome ?
2285. # [20:33] <mcsmurf> I want to disable JIT
2286. # [20:33] <Ms2ger> No
2287. # [20:33] <mcsmurf> Google is not clear what I need to set
2288. # [20:33] <mcsmurf> ok
2289. # [20:33] <Ms2ger> (afaik)
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2291. # [20:36] <bent> bz, success!
2292. # [20:36] <bent> bz, how do you want this?
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2295. # [20:36] <@bz> bent: mail's fine
2296. # [20:36] <@bz> bent: or any other digital means convenient to you
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2298. # [20:37] <@bz> mcsmurf: methodjit.chrome
2299. # [20:37] <@bz> mcsmurf: it's off by default anyway
2300. # [20:37] <mcsmurf> "oh"
2301. # [20:37] <mcsmurf> ok
2302. # [20:37] <@bz> mcsmurf: iirc
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2304. # [20:38] <@bz> dbaron: no idea on cc
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2306. # [20:38] <@bz> dbaron: smaug or mccr8 might know
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2308. # [20:38] <@dbaron> bz, anyway, somehow the browser's ability to use the network was also broken somehow, so I just restarted it...
2309. # [20:39] <mccr8> dbaron: was it just CCing or GCing too?
2310. # [20:39] <@bz> dbaron: ok
2311. # [20:39] <@bz> dbaron: as far as like buttons..
2312. # [20:39] <@bz> dbaron: if you can give me a uri, I'll look
2313. # [20:39] <@dbaron> mccr8, both, but mostly cc
2314. # [20:39] <@bz> dbaron: I wonder whether we can throttle them....
2315. # [20:40] <@dbaron> bz, we may well have been... don't we only throttle to 1s?
2316. # [20:40] <mccr8> dbaron: That's odd. I'm not sure I've seen that. I guess it would happen if there's a lot of ref count traffic causing things to be suspected.
2317. # [20:40] <@bz> dbaron: yes
2318. # [20:40] <@bz> dbaron: but I was thinking throttle in foreground tabs too
2319. # [20:40] <@bz> dbaron: hard to say without seeing more about what the buttons are doing
2320. # [20:41] <@dbaron> bz, the issue I was seeing involved a large number of background tabs
2321. # [20:41] <@bz> dbaron: and of course if you have 10 bajillion like buttons....
2322. # [20:41] <@dbaron> bz, i.e., "things to read"
2323. # [20:41] <@bz> dbaron: you still run 10 bajillion callbacks a second
2324. # [20:41] <@dbaron> bz, each of which has one like button
2325. # [20:41] <@dbaron> bz, yep
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2327. # [20:41] <@bz> dbaron: would still like a pointer to the relevant code
2328. # [20:41] <@bz> dbaron: if you have one
2329. # [20:42] <@dbaron> bz, ttps://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fandrewgelman.com%2F2011%2F12%2Fall-statisticians-are-bayesians%2F&layout=button_count&show_faces=false&width=100&action=like&font=arial
2330. # [20:42] <@dbaron> bz, er, with an h on the front :-)
2331. # [20:42] <mcsmurf> just fyi: 638 pref("javascript.options.methodjit.chrome", true);
2332. # [20:42] <mcsmurf> (enabled by default in all.js)
2333. # [20:42] <@dbaron> bz, it might produce something different if you're logged in to facebook, though
2334. # [20:43] <bent> bz, sent. hopefully our mail allows zips still
2335. # [20:46] <@dbaron> bz, for the record, we're talking about a session that has ~920 docshells -- though that count includes all the iframes with like buttons, etc.
2336. # [20:47] <@smaug> hsivonen: ping
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2338. # [20:48] <@bz> dbaron: thanks
2339. # [20:48] <@bz> dbaron: I'm not logged into facebook
2340. # [20:49] <@bz> dbaron: I don't see any setTimeout, setInterval, or external scripts....
2341. # [20:49] <@bz> dbaron: in that code
2342. # [20:49] <@bz> bent: got the mail
2343. # [20:49] <bent> oh good
2344. # [20:50] <bent> bz, for the record, i hate cute little closures
2345. # [20:50] <@bz> bent: heh
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2347. # [20:50] <@dbaron> bz, I do see a document.createElement("script")
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2350. # [20:51] <@bz> dbaron: hmm, looking
2351. # [20:51] <@bz> dbaron: indeed
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2353. # [20:51] <@bz> dbaron: are you in a debug build?
2354. # [20:51] <@dbaron> bz, yes... new session without the craziness, though
2355. # [20:52] <@bz> ok
2356. # [20:52] <@bz> one sec
2357. # [20:52] <@dbaron> bz, probably still a lot of facebook timeouts, though
2358. # [20:52] <@bz> https://s-static.ak.facebook.com/rsrc.php/v1/yO/r/q4OyybLB0-A.js
2359. # [20:52] <@bz> I tink
2360. # [20:52] <@bz> er, think
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2362. # [20:53] <@bz> mmm
2363. # [20:53] <@bz> 175KB of JS
2364. # [20:53] * @bz sighs
2365. # [20:53] <@bz> dbaron: want to just see what the JS stack is like on those setTimeout calls?
2366. # [20:53] <@bz> dbaron: because code inspection of this script won't get us far. :(
2367. # [20:53] <@dbaron> bz, sure
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2369. # [20:54] <@dbaron> bz, but now most of my timeouts aren't like buttons
2370. # [20:54] <@dbaron> bz, I wonder if there was something that made them become exponential...
2371. # [20:55] <@dbaron> bz, in fact, I haven't found one from a like button yet...
2372. # [20:55] <@bz> ok
2373. # [20:55] * @bz sighs
2374. # [20:55] * @bz hates facebook
2375. # [20:56] <jcranmer> who doesn't?
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2377. # [20:56] <@bz> people who work there? ;)
2378. # [20:56] <RattyAway> why is the Mozilla RelEng Bot spamming ancient bug Bug 10480 ???
2379. # [20:56] <@dbaron> bz, so how would I get the JS stack if I wanted to?
2380. # [20:56] <jcranmer> too bad sdwilsh isn't here?
2381. # [20:57] <@dbaron> bz, well, I got one
2382. # [20:57] <bent> dbaron, break and call 'DumpJSStack()'
2383. # [20:57] <bent> ?
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2385. # [20:57] <mcsmurf> RattyAway: heh
2386. # [20:57] <mcsmurf> strange
2387. # [20:57] <@dbaron> bz,
2388. # [20:57] <@dbaron> JavaScript error: https://s-static.ak.facebook.com/rsrc.php/v1/yu/r/tCjLItQZB2I.js, line 37: zu is undefined
2389. # [20:57] <@dbaron> there is no JSContext on the nsIThreadJSContextStack!
2390. # [20:58] <@dbaron> bz, or break in setTimeout, you mean?
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2393. # [20:59] <@dbaron> maybe I should just switch to printing the stuff I want to read :-(
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2397. # [21:01] <@dbaron> well, most setTimeout calls are from yammer
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2399. # [21:02] <gavin> gah, hg.m.o being down makes development hard
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2412. # [21:07] <vlad> but it's distributed!
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2415. # [21:08] <@smaug> dbaron: you use yammer? /me is a bit surprised
2416. # [21:08] <@bz> dbaron: got a sec?
2417. # [21:08] <@dbaron> bz, sure
2418. # [21:08] <@dbaron> smaug, read rather more than write
2419. # [21:09] <@bz> dbaron: so consider this testcase
2420. # [21:09] <@bz> .foo { color: green; visibility: hidden; }
2421. # [21:09] <@bz> .bar { color: red; visibility: visible; -moz-transition: 5s color; -webkit-transition: 5s color; }
2422. # [21:09] <@bz> Then I flip the class from foo to bar
2423. # [21:09] <@bz> why do we transition the color?
2424. # [21:09] <@bz> I would have thought we wouldn't have computed color for .foo
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2427. # [21:11] <@bz> oh
2428. # [21:11] <@bz> hmm
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2430. # [21:11] <@bz> we call GetStyleData on the old style context
2431. # [21:11] <@bz> why is that safe?
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2449. # [21:23] <philipp64|laptop> I notice that Firefox is still susceptible to crashing when you do a "Save link as" and then click on "Save" before it's finished populating the file dialog...
2450. # [21:23] <philipp64|laptop> at least on MacOS.
2451. # [21:23] <philipp64|laptop> any chance of this being a showstopper for the next Firefox release?
2452. # [21:23] <philipp64|laptop> and why not make the buttons insensitive at creation, and then not turn them sensitive until the widget has fully initialized?
2453. # [21:24] <philipp64|laptop> seems like a simple fix... what am I missing?
2454. # [21:24] <bsmedberg> Pike: do you know why http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central-l10n/ doesn't have langpacks?
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2466. # [21:29] <bsmedberg> josh: hrm, it's intermittent. I can sometimes get it to work if I reload once or twice
2467. # [21:30] <bsmedberg> and when I shift-reload it fails again
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2469. # [21:31] <josh> I suspect it's timing based on at what point it has an object frame, and thus when it has received NPP_SetWindow. I suspect Flash doesn't like doing much of anyhting prior to having received an NPP_SetWindow call.
2470. # [21:31] <Mossop> philipp64|laptop: Odd, the file dialog is supplied by OSX, not us. There isn't a lot we can do with it I think
2471. # [21:31] <bsmedberg> no, probably not
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2473. # [21:33] <bholley> Can we reopen the tree?
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2475. # [21:34] <hub> in Makefile.in, where do you put .h files that you don't want to export?
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2477. # [21:34] <philipp64|laptop> Mossop: Firefox seems to be the only app that suffers from this affliction. I wonder what you all do differently?
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2479. # [21:34] <Mossop> Do you have a crash report?
2480. # [21:35] <philipp64|laptop> maybe it's not being initialized correctly?
2481. # [21:35] <philipp64|laptop> I have lots of crash reports... I click on "Report" every time it happens.
2482. # [21:35] <Ms2ger> Link from about:crashes?
2483. # [21:36] <philipp64|laptop> http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-54ec5fb2-13d5-44c8-8847-0604c2120113
2484. # [21:38] <Ms2ger> firebot, botsnack
2485. # [21:38] <firebot> yay
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2489. # [21:39] <lsblakk|buildduty> does anyone have an m-c or m-i commit they are waiting to land?
2490. # [21:39] <lsblakk|buildduty> we need someone to test the treeclosure hooks are working correctly on the upgraded hg.m.o
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2492. # [21:40] <Mossop> lsblakk|buildduty: Sounded like bholley does
2493. # [21:40] <Mossop> hub: You don't put them anywhere
2494. # [21:40] <lsblakk|buildduty> bholley: please try pushing without 'CLOSED TREE' in the comments and confirm that you cannot land?
2495. # [21:40] <bholley> lsblakk|buildduty: want me to land something?
2496. # [21:41] <hub> Mossop: ah ok. Maybe because I'm used to have a working "make dist"
2497. # [21:41] <lsblakk|buildduty> i'd like you to try and then we can reopen the tree if you fail :)
2498. # [21:41] <hub> Mossop: fair enough
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2501. # [21:42] <bholley> lsblakk|buildduty: sure, sec
2502. # [21:43] <philipp64|laptop> Mossop: none of my oids are in the queue... wth?
2503. # [21:43] <ehsan> vladan: I have a patch to make NS_StackWalk cheaper for walking other threads
2504. # [21:43] <ehsan> vladan: (by not using the walker thread)
2505. # [21:44] <vladan> ehsan: cool. you can commit it and i'll pull it in
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2507. # [21:45] <ehsan> vladan: I'm testing it right now, will file a bug and CC you on it when I'm done
2508. # [21:45] <vladan> sounds good
2509. # [21:46] <ehsan> vladan: did your patch to fix the "3" offset for stackwalking ever land?
2510. # [21:47] <@smaug> hmm
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2512. # [21:47] <vladan> it never got reviewed
2513. # [21:47] <@dbaron> ok, my Firefox instance has get again (this time after only a few hours) gotten into this jammed-network state where it has a large number of connections open or in CLOSE_WAIT, and can't make any new network connections, and is being consumed by timeouts
2514. # [21:47] <@dbaron> maybe I'll debug after lunch
2515. # [21:47] <@smaug> does clang optimize out all the debug info
2516. # [21:47] <vladan> ehsan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716590
2517. # [21:47] <@smaug> (by default)
2518. # [21:47] <bholley> lsblakk|buildduty: sorry, there were merge conflicts
2519. # [21:48] <bholley> lsblakk|buildduty: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1448104
2520. # [21:48] <ehsan> vladan: you might want to ping dbaron about this
2521. # [21:48] <bholley> lsblakk|buildduty: is that thing at the bottom expected?
2522. # [21:48] <ehsan> I'm gonna ask him for review as well
2523. # [21:48] <vladan> dbaron: ping :)
2524. # [21:49] <lsblakk|buildduty> bholley: that is expected
2525. # [21:49] <lsblakk|buildduty> thank you
2526. # [21:49] <catlee> Success: FAILURE!
2527. # [21:49] <lsblakk|buildduty> trees will be opened!
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2529. # [21:51] <ehsan> vladan: see bug 718032
2530. # [21:52] <ehsan> vladan: it would be awesome if you can test the patch there
2531. # [21:52] <ehsan> lsblakk|buildduty: when do we expect that to happen?
2532. # [21:52] <Pike> bsmedberg: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central-l10n/win32/xpi/ does
2533. # [21:53] <lsblakk|buildduty> ehsan: open now
2534. # [21:53] <vladan> ehsan: ok i'll make sure to test it before end of day
2535. # [21:53] <ehsan> lsblakk|buildduty: thanks!
2536. # [21:53] * lsblakk|buildduty is starting up buildbot-masters again
2537. # [21:53] * lsblakk|buildduty changes topic to 'Bug 701371 needs clobber on all platforms apart from Linux || m-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: January 31st || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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2539. # [21:54] <@bz> what did we change from 9.0 to 9.0.1?
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2541. # [21:56] <mcsmurf> bz: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/rev/b78fe362789b only afaik
2542. # [21:56] <mcsmurf> oh, sry :)
2543. # [21:56] <mcsmurf> "9.0.1 was a chemspill release to address a condition where Firefox would crash on startup with a family of toolbars."
2544. # [21:56] <mcsmurf> (copied from a mail)
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2546. # [21:56] <ehsan> lsblakk|buildduty: remote: error: pretxnchangegroup.z_loghistory hook raised an exception: column rev is not unique
2547. # [21:56] <mcsmurf> ah, hg works again
2548. # [21:56] <ehsan> lsblakk|buildduty: got this when pushing to inbound
2549. # [21:56] <ehsan> followed by a stack trace
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2551. # [21:57] <lsblakk|buildduty> pastebin?
2552. # [21:57] <ehsan> lsblakk|buildduty: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1448114
2553. # [21:57] <ehsan> lsblakk|buildduty: should I file a bug?
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2555. # [21:58] <lsblakk|buildduty> ehsan: thanks - I've passed that to cshields who is monitoring any issues now that we're (trying to be ) back up
2556. # [21:58] <@bz> yeah, that's what I thought
2557. # [21:58] <ehsan> ok thanks
2558. # [21:58] <ehsan> lsblakk|buildduty: pushing to try results in the same thing btw
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2562. # [21:58] <lsblakk|buildduty> ehsan: good to know
2563. # [21:59] * lsblakk|buildduty did a test push to try and did not get that stack trace
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2565. # [21:59] <lsblakk|buildduty> just a "you don't have try syntax" & rollback abort
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2568. # [22:00] <ehsan> maybe it's something which happens after the try syntax has been checked
2569. # [22:00] <ehsan> I did have a valid try syntax fwiw
2570. # [22:00] <robcee> tree open?
2571. # [22:00] <ehsan> robcee: yeah but you can't push for now
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2573. # [22:02] <catlee> is ted still PTO?
2574. # [22:02] <Pike> ehsan, lsblakk|buildduty : I'm seeing weird issues on repos that are not top-level on hg
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2576. # [22:02] <lsblakk|buildduty> Pike: cshields is working on it - we are tracking down the issue - it has happened before
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2578. # [22:03] <robcee> ehsan: too late!
2579. # [22:03] <Pike> lsblakk|buildduty: ok. any channel better than #it to follow along?
2580. # [22:03] <lsblakk|buildduty> sorry I'm hoping this is a quick enough fix to not have to re-close the trees
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2582. # [22:03] <lsblakk|buildduty> #infra
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2585. # [22:04] <Pike> lsblakk|buildduty: needs a key I don't have. if it's OK, put that in a query?
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2587. # [22:05] <davidb> tn: are you getting rid of nsIView?
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2589. # [22:05] <tn> davidb, slowly
2590. # [22:05] <davidb> tn: ok, are you touching /accessible yet?
2591. # [22:05] <davidb> let me know if you need help
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2593. # [22:06] <davidb> (i imagine any API we use will have an alternative)
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2597. # [22:07] <tn> davidb, i've landed some stuff in accessible in the past.
2598. # [22:07] <davidb> yep :)
2599. # [22:07] <tn> davidb, yes, of course, if there isn't a way, we will make a new way to replace
2600. # [22:07] <davidb> splendid
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2606. # [22:11] <Jesse> why do we support <image> in addition to <img>? data:text/html,<image src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/db/Firefox_3.5-4.0_logo.png">
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2609. # [22:13] <bholley> Jesse: isn't <image> a XUL tag?
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2612. # [22:14] <Jesse> so why are we supporting it as an html tag?
2613. # [22:14] <@bz> Jesse: compat
2614. # [22:14] <@bz> Jesse: and at this point spec
2615. # [22:14] <@bz> Jesse: nothing to do with XUL
2616. # [22:14] <mak> lsblakk|buildduty: are trees really open?
2617. # [22:15] <Jesse> thanks
2618. # [22:15] <mak> lsblakk|buildduty: I tried to push and got pretxnchangegroup.z_loghistory hook raised an exception: column rev is not unique
2619. # [22:15] <lsblakk|buildduty> they are really open but hg is really still not working
2620. # [22:15] <@bz> Jesse: in case you care...
2621. # [22:15] <lsblakk|buildduty> mak: cshields is working on it
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2623. # [22:15] <lsblakk|buildduty> i can close the trees again, since it's taking more than a few minutes
2624. # [22:15] <mak> ah ok, so why are tree open if we can't push? :)
2625. # [22:15] <@bz> Jesse: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tree-construction.html#parsing-main-inbody
2626. # [22:15] <@bz> Jesse: see the part that says
2627. # [22:15] <@bz> A start tag whose tag name is "image"
2628. # [22:15] <@bz> Parse error. Change the token's tag name to "img" and reprocess it. (Don't ask.)
2629. # [22:15] <lsblakk|buildduty> mak: was trying to avoid yo-yoing
2630. # [22:15] <Jesse> lol
2631. # [22:16] <mak> lsblakk|buildduty: just install that panic button
2632. # [22:16] <rnewman|working> mak: I just got the same error; do you have a bug number I can follow?
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2634. # [22:16] <@bz> Jesse: note that this is parser-only; createElement("image") won't work
2635. # [22:16] <mak> rnewman|working: nope, hg is just broken, tree's are fake-open
2636. # [22:17] <rnewman|working> it's a celebration, specially timed for Deadline Friday!
2637. # [22:17] * lsblakk|buildduty changes topic to 'Bug 701371 needs clobber on all platforms apart from Linux || m-c: CLOSED m-i: CLOSED try: CLOSED - hg is still down || Next aurora uplift: January 31st || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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2639. # [22:18] <catlee> ehsan: try try now?
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2642. # [22:19] <ehsan> catlee: failed
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2644. # [22:19] <catlee> same error?
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2646. # [22:20] <@bz> bent: er...
2647. # [22:20] <@bz> bent: did you add the self.* stuff to the script?
2648. # [22:20] <@bz> bent: or was it already there?
2649. # [22:20] <ehsan> catlee: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1448129
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2655. # [22:21] <catlee> ehsan: that's a local problem it looks like?
2656. # [22:21] <bent> bz, the original worker.js is in the folder too
2657. # [22:21] <bent> bz, but no, didn't add that
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2660. # [22:23] <@bz> bent: hmm
2661. # [22:23] <@bz> bent: worker_mainthread.js doesn't even do self much....
2662. # [22:23] <ehsan> catlee: hmm, yeah
2663. # [22:23] <ehsan> weird
2664. # [22:23] <ehsan> catlee: pushing to inbound doesn't work
2665. # [22:23] <ehsan> same error
2666. # [22:23] * @bz wonders why it's coming up so high in the profile
2667. # [22:23] <catlee> same mq error?
2668. # [22:23] <ehsan> no
2669. # [22:23] <@bz> oh, in ray.js
2670. # [22:24] <ehsan> catlee: same error that I told lsblakk|buildduty about
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2672. # [22:24] <catlee> ehsan: ok, we haven't fixed up inbound yet
2673. # [22:24] <ehsan> ok
2674. # [22:24] <ehsan> catlee: then maybe you can get somebody else to push to try
2675. # [22:24] <ehsan> I'm in a meeting
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2677. # [22:25] <@bz> bent: so looks like there's no difference here between workers and browser
2678. # [22:25] <@bz> bent: and both are kinda sucking. :(
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2680. # [22:25] <bent> good
2681. # [22:25] * bent is absolved!
2682. # [22:25] <@bz> bent: thank you for putting that together!
2683. # [22:26] <bent> sure thing
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2697. # [22:38] <pcwalton> smaug: got one bad CC, CC(T+10872.4) collected: 40788 (40788 waiting for GC), suspected: 1056, duration: 198 ms.
2698. # [22:38] <pcwalton> Purple cleanup 11 times before CC, min 0 ms, max 1 ms, avg 0 ms, total 5 ms, removed 1924
2699. # [22:39] <pcwalton> but otherwise it's been ok for me
2700. # [22:39] <@smaug> pcwalton: that doesn't look bad
2701. # [22:39] <pcwalton> 200ms is longer than I like :)
2702. # [22:39] <pcwalton> but that's the worst I've seen
2703. # [22:39] <@smaug> occasionally when CC actually removes a lot, it needs to do some work
2704. # [22:39] <terrence> pcwalton: that's pretty typical for me
2705. # [22:39] <@smaug> 40k objects is quite a lot
2706. # [22:40] <pcwalton> is that mostly sweep? can we do that async?
2707. # [22:40] <@smaug> terrence: pcwalton is testing a tryserver build
2708. # [22:40] <terrence> hmmm...
2709. # [22:40] <@smaug> pcwalton: there is patch to make unrooting async
2710. # [22:40] <@smaug> pcwalton: it fails still in one mochitest, IIRC
2711. # [22:41] <@smaug> making unlinking async would be much harder
2712. # [22:41] <pcwalton> have the bug number handy?
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2714. # [22:41] <@smaug> pcwalton: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652781
2715. # [22:41] <pcwalton> thanks
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2718. # [22:42] <@smaug> pcwalton: what kinds of CC times are you getting normally ?
2719. # [22:43] <pcwalton> 20-50
2720. # [22:43] <pcwalton> usually on the lower end of that range
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2722. # [22:43] <pcwalton> that is still 2-4 frames dropped but that is not too bad
2723. # [22:44] <jimm> man inbound is a mess
2724. # [22:44] <jimm> I can't seem to load in build logs either
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2726. # [22:46] <@smaug> pcwalton: btw, if you're keeping error console open, it is error console itself which is causing lots of suspected objects
2727. # [22:46] <pcwalton> ah
2728. # [22:46] <@smaug> it must be doing something silly
2729. # [22:47] <@smaug> once I figure out how to write a restartless addon, I'd like to create one which reports CC/GC times somewhere in the main UI
2730. # [22:48] <pcwalton> the FPS meter should do that ideally
2731. # [22:48] <terrence> smaug: how about a framerate graph like the one in counterstrike?
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2733. # [22:48] <pcwalton> I've heard that iOS has a nice FPS meter that auto-analyzes dips in FPS
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2736. # [22:48] <@smaug> terrence: well, if pcwalton could update his addon to include CC/GC times
2737. # [22:49] <@smaug> pcwalton: btw, does the addon work with nightly
2738. # [22:49] <pcwalton> haven't tried it in forever
2739. # [22:49] <@smaug> and where can I download it
2740. # [22:49] <pcwalton> I should do that
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2742. # [22:49] <pcwalton> the memory meter shows GCs
2743. # [22:49] <pcwalton> https://github.com/pcwalton/firefox-framerate-monitor
2744. # [22:49] <@smaug> no xpi ?
2745. # [22:49] <pcwalton> there's an xpi in the downloads section
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2749. # [22:51] <terrence> smaug: GC/CC info is printed to the error console when you turn on mem logging in the preferences, so it should be easy to add
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2751. # [22:52] <@smaug> I sure know GC/CC info is printed in error console. I did review the patch which added that feature :p
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2754. # [22:54] <terrence> smaug: well, don't I look silly now!
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2757. # [22:55] * NeilAway wonders what happens if you try to serialise document.createElement("image")
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2759. # [22:55] <@smaug> NeilAway: and then load it...
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2765. # [23:01] <@smaug> NeilAway: you can use <image> with innerHTML
2766. # [23:01] <@bz> NeilAway: "sucks to be you"
2767. # [23:01] <@smaug> data:text/html,<html><body><script>document.body.innerHTML = '<image src="http://mozilla.pettay.fi/favicon.ico">'</script>
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2771. # [23:03] <@smaug> HTML5
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2774. # [23:03] <Hixie> in text/html <image> is just a macro for <img>
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2781. # [23:05] <@dbaron> bz, fwiw, the facebook like button RunTimeouts have mIsInterval == true
2782. # [23:05] <rniwa> ehsan, smaug: do you guys know anything about perf-o-matic?
2783. # [23:05] <@dbaron> bz, so catching the setup might be hard
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2787. # [23:05] <@dbaron> bz, and the interval is 1000ms
2788. # [23:05] <@smaug> rniwa: don't know
2789. # [23:05] <ehsan> rniwa: yes, it's our performance results graph server
2790. # [23:06] <ehsan> graphs.mozilla.org
2791. # [23:06] <@bz> dbaron: :(
2792. # [23:06] <rniwa> ehsan: so, we might consider adopting it that for webkit
2793. # [23:06] <@bz> dbaron: heh
2794. # [23:06] <ehsan> rniwa: that would be awesome!
2795. # [23:06] <ehsan> rniwa: I think rhelmer worked on it
2796. # [23:06] * zpao|detached is now known as zpao
2797. # [23:06] <ehsan> *if memory serves
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2799. # [23:06] <rniwa> ehsan: i need to evaluate whether that's possible or not but the link to test data on https://wiki.mozilla.org/Perfomatic/Installation appears to be broken
2800. # [23:07] <ehsan> rniwa: I wouldn't be surprised if the docs are outdated
2801. # [23:07] <ehsan> cause we recently rewrote it from scratch
2802. # [23:07] <rniwa> ehsan: in fact ~rdoherty itself is 404 for me
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2804. # [23:07] <ehsan> rniwa: I would just ask rhelmer
2805. # [23:07] <rniwa> ehsan: ok, thanks
2806. # [23:07] <rniwa> rhelmer: ping?
2807. # [23:07] <ehsan> np
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2818. # [23:12] <philor> rniwa: https://github.com/rhelmer/graphs is the new version
2819. # [23:12] <philor> though that pretty much exhausts my knowledge of it
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2822. # [23:14] <rhelmer> rniwa: oh hey sorry in the middle of a socorro release
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2824. # [23:14] <rhelmer> rniwa: yeah i haven't merged back the new graphs to hg yet, will come soon though
2825. # [23:15] <rhelmer> rniwa: if you want to install the new version, there's a README and INSTALL file in the github repo
2826. # [23:15] <rhelmer> rniwa: we've only replaced the frontend not the backend yet, sorry it's a bit confusing
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2828. # [23:16] <rhelmer> rniwa: we just started an initiative to improve the way we do perf collection, it's possible we'll scrap the backend and do something simpler (like a key/value db of some kind) for results, and make the frontend app smarter
2829. # [23:17] <rhelmer> will likely need some backend jobs to do post-processing too but we'll see
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2833. # [23:17] <rhelmer> rniwa: but if you look at the github README/INSTALL they should work now
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2836. # [23:18] <rniwa> rhelmer: ok, that'll be nice
2837. # [23:19] <@dbaron> bz_kids, the thing being called is on line 42 of https://s-static.ak.facebook.com/rsrc.php/v1/yO/r/q4OyybLB0-A.js , though
2838. # [23:19] <rniwa> rhelmer: is there a way to just using the graphing part of perf-o-matic?
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2840. # [23:19] <rniwa> rhelmer: given the work you're doing, it's probably undesirable for us to install the perf-o-matic as is
2841. # [23:19] <rhelmer> rniwa: sure, it only really needs two types of json documents
2842. # [23:19] <rniwa> rhelmer: great.
2843. # [23:19] <rniwa> rhelmer: can you give me pointers? so that I can take a look?
2844. # [23:20] <rniwa> rhelmer: fyi, chromium's perf bots use a local json file and appends data: http://build.chromium.org/f/chromium/perf/xp-release-dual-core/new-tab-ui-warm/report.html?history=150&rev=-1
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2846. # [23:20] <rniwa> rhelmer: so each bot just uploads json + some html file for ui
2847. # [23:20] <rhelmer> rniwa: when you look at http://graphs.mozilla.org/ you see images generated by node.js (and one of the canvas plugins), they use the same code as the interactive bit of the UI http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[115,1,12]]&sel=none&displayrange=7&datatype=running
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2849. # [23:21] <rhelmer> rniwa: it's a little more involved, maybe you should come over to #webdev and I can go over it w/ you if you want :)
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2852. # [23:21] <rniwa> rhelmer: that'll be great.
2853. # [23:22] <rhelmer> rniwa: from the front-end's perspective, it just cares that there's json at a certain url toget the manifest, and each perf result has it's own id
2854. # [23:22] <rhelmer> rniwa: cool
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2861. # [23:24] <@bz_kids> man
2862. # [23:24] <@bz_kids> cloning m-c is pain
2863. # [23:24] * @bz_kids is trying it right now with a local clone...
2864. # [23:24] <@bz_kids> it's chewing up 100% of a core
2865. # [23:24] <@bz_kids> for minutes now
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2867. # [23:24] <@bz_kids> and is only like 60% done.
2868. # [23:24] <@bz_kids> wtf?
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2876. # [23:32] <bjacob> bz_kids: are you bz's kids? i always knew bz was a codename for a group of people, just didn't expect that
2877. # [23:33] <@bz_kids> bjacob: no, I'm someone who's watching kids
2878. # [23:33] <@bz_kids> bjacob: hence in and out
2879. # [23:33] <bjacob> :)
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2882. # [23:36] <Mossop> It's an early version of cloning
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2889. # [23:38] <fabrice> there's a copy constructor
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2893. # [23:39] <Wolf> hmm.. let's try this again. this time hopefully without firebot crashing when he's done joining channels.
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2898. # [23:41] <cpeterson> froydnj: I think your Telemetry changes broke inbound. rev 47c464033fa8 declares static gCorruptHistograms, but does not define static space so the linker complains.
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2906. # [23:44] <jwir3> bjacob++
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2909. # [23:45] <IanN> it it planned hg downtime?
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2912. # [23:48] <jwir3> IanN: Somewhat. There was a planned upgrade, but it was supposed to be back up by 12pm PST
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2916. # [23:51] <IanN> :S
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2918. # [23:52] <catlee> lsblakk|buildduty: ok, let's open m-c again
2919. # [23:53] <lsblakk|buildduty> k
2920. # [23:53] <lsblakk|buildduty> but try and inbound are still borked?
2921. # [23:54] <catlee> try is ok now too I think
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2923. # [23:54] <catlee> inbound is still broked
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2925. # [23:56] * lsblakk|buildduty changes topic to 'Bug 701371 needs clobber on all platforms apart from Linux || m-c: OPEN m-i: CLOSED try: OPEN - still troubleshooting hg for inbound || Next aurora uplift: January 31st || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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2927. # [23:59] <mccr8> Cww: ping
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