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# Session Start: Sun Jan 15 00:00:01 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <artpar> when i give "pymake -f client.mk", i am getting this error, i have tried many times, please help
# [00:00] <artpar> http://mibpaste.com/P5xbJH
# [00:00] <@smaug> jfkthame: oops, sorry, I looked wrong
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# [00:00] <jfkthame> n/p .... i'm happy to not take responsibility :)
# [00:00] <@smaug> jfkthame: now you are
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# [00:02] <jfkthame> smaug: thanks...... maybe!
# [00:02] <jdm> artpar: huh, that's weird
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# [00:04] <artpar> please advice me jdm, i have been trying out for 2-3 hours now :( couldnt even build it successfully for once
# [00:04] <jdm> artpar: I wish I had something to suggest :/
# [00:04] <jdm> artpar: your best bet at this point is to ask khuey if he's ever since this
# [00:05] <jdm> artpar: probably during EST work hours on monday-friday
# [00:05] <jdm> s/since/seen/
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# [00:05] <jdm> artpar: what's the pymake command you're running?
# [00:05] <jdm> I assume it's an alias
# [00:05] <artpar> pymake -sj8
# [00:06] <artpar> yes
# [00:06] <artpar> alias pymake=/D/mozilla-src/build/pymake/make.py
# [00:06] <artpar> then from /d/mozilla-src
# [00:06] <artpar> mkdir objdir
# [00:06] <artpar> cd objdir
# [00:06] <artpar> ../confidure
# [00:06] <artpar> ../configure
# [00:06] <jdm> hmm
# [00:06] <artpar> pymake -sj8
# [00:06] <jdm> you shouldn't run configure yourself
# [00:07] <artpar> ok, so i shall try again
# [00:07] <artpar> and start with
# [00:07] <jdm> if you remove objdir, then make it again and just run
# [00:07] <artpar> pymake distclean
# [00:07] <artpar> ok
# [00:07] <jdm> pymake -f client.mk build
# [00:07] <jdm> from the source directory
# [00:07] <artpar> i will try that
# [00:07] <artpar> thanks
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# [00:16] <artpar> jdm, too bad i get the same error again :-/
# [00:17] <jdm> shoot
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# [00:18] <artpar> does pymake creates any file in any folder apart from the target obj folder ?
# [00:18] <jbuck> it does creates some files in the src directory I think
# [00:18] <jbuck> but that shouldn't affect the build process..
# [00:18] <jbuck> are you still getting the same error as before?
# [00:19] <artpar> yes
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# [00:19] <peta> bye
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# [00:19] <jbuck> and you're building the tip of mozilla-central, no patches on top?
# [00:20] <jbuck> also, what does your .mozconfig look like?
# [00:20] <artpar> yes, i downloaded the HG bundle from FTP, then unbundeled it
# [00:20] <artpar> then "hg up"
# [00:20] <artpar> mozconfig :: http://mibpaste.com/5ZSebq
# [00:22] <jbuck> hm, that looks alright to me...
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# [00:22] <artpar> the first time i did, i was all right, completed successfully
# [00:22] <artpar> but the exe was not running
# [00:22] <artpar> memory access voilation
# [00:23] <artpar> so i am building again
# [00:23] <jdm> artpar: and you're building from the source directory?
# [00:23] <artpar> yes
# [00:23] <jbuck> the only thing I can recommend is deleting your obj directory, and using the basic pymake command form the src directory: python -OO build/pymake/make.py -f client.mk
# [00:24] <artpar> can i atleast add "-sj8" else this takes a lot of time... like an hour or two :-/
# [00:24] <jbuck> oh
# [00:24] <jbuck> put that in your .mozconfig
# [00:24] <jdm> artpar: the -j8 -s should go in your mozconfig
# [00:24] <jdm> in uh...
# [00:24] <jbuck> mk_add_options MOZ_MAKE_FLAGS="-s -j12"
# [00:25] <jdm> yeah, tht
# [00:25] <jbuck> (change -j to whatever makes sense for your computer)
# [00:25] <artpar> okay, will do this
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# [00:26] <jbuck> before rebuilding, make sure to delete your obj directory (also known as a clobber build)
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# [00:27] <artpar> done that
# [00:27] <artpar> should i do "pymake -f client.mk distclean" before giving next build command ?
# [00:27] <jbuck> nope, it's basically equivalent to deleting your obj directory
# [00:27] <darktrojan> any guesses as to why the tryserver hasn't picked up the last 3 pushes?
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# [00:28] <artpar> ok, thank you jdm and jbuck
# [00:29] <jbuck> artpar: hopefully it works this time!
# [00:30] <artpar> just so you would know, i get similar error during "distclean" http://mibpaste.com/AnIDwx
# [00:30] <jdm> yeah, don't try distclean until you get a simple build working
# [00:30] <artpar> ok
# [00:30] <jbuck> hmm
# [00:30] <jbuck> artpar: instead of using your alias for pymake, could you use the relative paths version?
# [00:31] <jdm> artpar: d:/mozilla-srcobjdir-ff-debug <- that doesn't look right
# [00:31] <jdm> try exactly what jbuck pasted
# [00:31] <jbuck> yeah
# [00:31] <jdm> MOZ_OBJDIR=$(TOPSRCDIR)objdir-ff-debug
# [00:31] <jdm> that would be the problem line
# [00:31] <jbuck> oh right, you could delete that entirely
# [00:31] <artpar> okay
# [00:31] <jbuck> since we now create a default obj-dir
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# [00:32] <artpar> okay, i deleted that line "mk_add_options MOZ_OBJDIR=@TOPSRCDIR@objdir-ff-debug"
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# [00:33] <jbuck> darktrojan: I think the http caching means that it'll take awhile for the try server to show your pushes?
# [00:34] <jbuck> (I actually have no idea if that's the case, just guessing from what others said above)
# [00:34] <darktrojan> they're not building either
# [00:34] <darktrojan> and I never got the usual email
# [00:34] <jbuck> oh
# [00:34] <darktrojan> nm, pinging #build
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# [00:40] <darktrojan> wesj, looking for your try builds, by any chance?
# [00:40] <wesj> darktrojan: i am!
# [00:40] <darktrojan> funny that, me too
# [00:41] <wesj> blassey said it might have to do with http://hg.mozilla.org vs. ssh://hg.mozilla.org problems?
# [00:41] <darktrojan> I don't think so, hg seems to be cooperating
# [00:42] <darktrojan> https://hg.mozilla.org/try/pushloghtml
# [00:43] <jbuck> hmm, my try server build hasn't shown up either (email or on the website)...
# [00:43] <darktrojan> how recent?
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# [00:46] <jbuck> 10 minutes ago
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# [00:48] <mats> jcranmer++
# [00:48] <jcranmer> mats: ?
# [00:48] <Callek> bug just filed bug 718241
# [00:48] * jrmuizel changes topic to 'try server is not building see Bug 718241 || Bug 701371 needs clobber on all platforms apart from Linux || m-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN try: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: January 31st || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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# [00:49] <mats> jcranmer: cloning/pulling mozilla-inbound from ssh: works, from http: doesn
# [00:49] <wesj> darktrojan, jbuck: ^ Callek's bug
# [00:49] <jcranmer> I think we clearly have an hg problem
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# [00:50] <jcranmer> if pulling from ssh doesn't give problems but pulling from http does
# [00:51] <Callek> yea I just moved it to server ops
# [00:51] <Callek> jcranmer: well technically I think its a varnish problem, not necessarily an hg one
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# [00:52] <Callek> jcranmer: but a problem none-the-less
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# [00:55] <artpar> got past the error which i was getting earlier, but now a new error :-/
# [00:55] <artpar> LINK : warning LNK4068: /MACHINE not specified; defaulting to X86 LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'symbols.def'
# [00:56] <artpar> jbuck ^^
# [00:56] <jbuck> that's... interesting
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# [01:02] <IanN> I've started getting: |Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"| messages I presume this is down to a recent change?
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# [01:07] <mounir> where should bugs regarding flash interactions be opened?
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# [01:10] <mounir> I guess Plugins::Flash (Adobe)
# [01:12] <NeilAway> Sander: found it, it was a m.d.platform post
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# [01:49] <rnewman|travel> I just wrote a haiku, after watching m-c from my local airport.
# [01:49] <rnewman|travel> January leaves / No snow, forty degrees F / philor stars orange
# [01:50] <rnewman|travel> the wine told me to share
# [01:50] <darktrojan> stunning
# [01:50] <rnewman|travel> heh
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# [01:54] <evilpie> A++ would read again
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# [02:09] <darktrojan> oh hello, just got a tryserver email
# [02:09] <cshields> :)
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# [02:09] <darktrojan> sorted it?
# [02:09] <cshields> for now
# [02:09] <jbuck> so did I
# [02:09] <jbuck> \o/
# [02:09] <cshields> not permanently yet
# [02:10] <cshields> :|
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# [02:14] * Callek changes topic to 'Bug 701371 needs clobber on all platforms apart from Linux || m-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN try: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: January 31st || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [02:14] <Callek> at least it *seems* to be working, for now ;-)
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# [02:22] <philor> edmorley: got any thoughts on m-i win pgo?
# [02:24] <philor> oh, I misstarred an earlier one of those, so we've got fewer in the range
# [02:26] <KaiRo_away> ok, I take everything back, I'm happy I'm not in San Francisco today
# [02:27] <philor> okay, PGO triggered on every push, I woder why the idea of that sounds so familiar to me...
# [02:27] <biesi> KaiRo_away, why';s that?
# [02:28] <KaiRo_away> biesi: because I'd need to knock 49ers fans in their face if I was becuase I can't see their grinning faces
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# [02:28] <KaiRo_away> not that's I'd hate the 49ers, but I so much love the Saints
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# [02:29] <biesi> haha
# [02:30] <KaiRo_away> and if I was at Candlestick park, I might be thrown out due to rioting and might get more than just a bloody nose before (because any damage I can do to anyone is nothing compared to what they'd do to me if I fire only one shot)
# [02:30] <KaiRo_away> being alone here in my apartment, I only resort to drinking too fast, which is surely better in hindsight
# [02:32] <KaiRo_away> (I hardly ever drink too much or alone, but today I'm at least doing the latter and don't even feel bad about it now)
# [02:32] <darktrojan> after all that, my try push is busted because I am an idiot \o/
# [02:33] <KaiRo_away> "my" Saints tried to push as well and lost, so I understand darktrojan well :p
# [02:33] <edmorley> philor: sorry was fullscreen, I'll take a look, but presume other than waiting for the pgo (re-)triggers, not much to work on right now
# [02:35] <KaiRo_away> sorry, I hope to not being seen as a troll here now, but I thought on a weekend i can make some OT comments (and #lounge never took off unfortunately)
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# [02:36] <KaiRo_away> philor: I guess not doing PGO on every push didn't take off the way we hoped to - would be so cool if we'd have an ideal solution
# [02:37] <philor> KaiRo_away: like so many parts of inbound, it works great: shifts all the burden onto edmorley and I, and is perfectly fine for everyone else
# [02:38] <philor> just makes me a little peevish when the second PGO bustage of the day lands before the first PGO bustage of the day gets backed out
# [02:39] <KaiRo_away> philor: if I wouldn't be somewhat drunk, I'd be tempted to push more patches onto inbound for you guys to watch before I go to bed (sorry, couldn't resist to say that, in fact I had planned to run some tests and perhaps even try myself before pushing, even though it's just XUL/JS)
# [02:40] * KaiRo_away even doesn't change his nick from _away because he doesn't consider himself really here
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# [02:47] <evilpie> KaiRo_away: #lizardlounge ?
# [02:47] <edmorley> #drinkies
# [02:48] <edmorley> :-)
# [02:48] <KaiRo_away> er, you can come up with any number of channels I've never heard of
# [02:49] <edmorley> mmmm..... just remembered I have chocolate brownie ice cream in the freezer, nom nom nom
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# [03:08] <evilpie> reading quotes, makes we wonder who 'Lucy' might be
# [03:08] <evilpie> yes i really have nothing to do, i booted windows
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# [03:21] <KaiRo_away> evilpie: if it's someone with the nick 'Lucy' on IRC, I know her. Does that help? (not sure if I wanna tell people any details atm but I'm in a strange mood today)
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# [03:24] <evilpie> maybe i should just do something else then refreshing the random page
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# [03:30] <Mossop> There are worse ways to spend your Saturday
# [03:30] <biesi> evilpie, you could find her in #foxymonkies and ask!
# [03:30] <biesi> though not tonight, I think
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# [03:32] <evilpie> nah just started writing a tokenizer
# [03:34] <evilpie> also #foxymonkies scares me
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# [03:38] <biesi> heh
# [03:40] <evilpie> so starting the parser
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# [03:43] <philor> bholley: around?
# [03:45] <philor> candygram!
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# [03:56] <cshields> if anyone is about to make a push soon, please ping me when you do
# [03:57] * philor can't guess whether his will be soon
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# [04:00] <Drugoy> hey, where can I find someone responsible for UX?
# [04:01] <Drugoy> does anyone know - what are the future plans for tab design?
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# [04:01] <edmorley> Drugoy: I would recommend weekday, pacific time working hours, #ux
# [04:01] <Drugoy> I could actually draw curves for tabs like it is in chrome
# [04:03] <edmorley> Drugoy: have you seen http://people.mozilla.com/~shorlander/ux-presentation/ux-presentation.html ?
# [04:03] <edmorley> and posts at http://stephenhorlander.com/
# [04:03] <Drugoy> yes, pretty long ago
# [04:04] <Drugoy> I am wondering if these concepts were rejected or not
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# [04:05] <edmorley> don't believe so, just in progress: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Features/Theme_Refinement_and_Evolution_%28Australis%29
# [04:05] <Drugoy> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/australis/?src=search did you see this?
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# [04:07] <Drugoy> I mean that there was this link in shorlander's mockup discussion
# [04:07] <Drugoy> and this seems to be a finished theme
# [04:07] <Drugoy> which does the same what UX team tries to do
# [04:08] <Drugoy> seems like mozdevs tend to ignore what community creates :-/
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# [04:10] <cshields> Drugoy: also http://areweprettyyet.com
# [04:11] <Drugoy> yeah, I thought it's outdated too
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# [04:11] <Drugoy> bug: 570279, Tab+NavBar Connecting Curve Adjustments Fixed: Blocking, Frank Yan (:fryn)
# [04:11] <Drugoy> take a look at how this bug is "fixed"
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# [04:11] <Mossop> Drugoy: Actually we took quite a lot of work from a community member in the theme for Firefox 4 IIRC. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't
# [04:11] <RyanVM> wow, sure is taking a long time for my try push to show up
# [04:12] <cshields> RyanVM: one sec
# [04:13] <cshields> cleared cache again. It should be ignoring anything with "pushlog".. apparently not the case :/
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# [04:14] <RyanVM> thanks
# [04:14] <cshields> if you are going to push again soon let me know before and after you do, I've got some tests to try out
# [04:15] <RyanVM> ok
# [04:15] <RyanVM> probably not tonight
# [04:15] <RyanVM> just trying to see what breaks on my first attempt at this
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# [04:16] <Drugoy> why was this addon-bar's desing concept http://jboriss.wordpress.com/2010/06/16/removing-firefox’s-status-bar-and-rehousing-add-on-icons-part-3-of-2-wut/ rejected?
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# [04:17] <Drugoy> and this: http://jboriss.wordpress.com/2010/06/07/removing-firefox’s-status-bar-and-rehousing-add-on-icons-part-2-of-2/
# [04:17] <cshields> Drugoy: can't speak for everyone else in here (this is not a frequent channel of mine) but you might try #ux during the week
# [04:18] <Mossop> I think discoverability concerns, but hte UX team would know more
# [04:18] <Drugoy> i don't like irc at all, is there any other way to contact UX team/leader?
# [04:18] <Drugoy> btw who's in charge of UX team?
# [04:18] <Drugoy> dotzler?
# [04:19] <Mossop> No, limi
# [04:19] <Mossop> For some definition of "in charge of"
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# [04:21] <Drugoy> and do you know anything about download manager made as a doorhanger? they say it's development has stopped - why?
# [04:22] <Drugoy> what are UX guys are currently working on? there are months of zarro design changes in Fx, and it is pretty ugly atm.
# [04:23] <Drugoy> so fucking awesome to be ignored
# [04:23] <Mossop> This is the current stuff in the UX branch, should give you an idea of the sorts of things that are getting prototyped: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ux-branch
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# [04:24] <Drugoy> I think I've just ruined it and can't revert the changes back
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# [04:25] <Drugoy> anyways, I don't know what this page is.
# [04:25] <Drugoy> some kind of a notepad to store notes?
# [04:26] * Mossop sighs
# [04:26] <Drugoy> why would anyone ever use it?
# [04:26] <philor> I don't know why you don't like IRC
# [04:26] <Drugoy> because it's like a chat
# [04:26] <Drugoy> chats are dead since year 1999
# [04:27] <Drugoy> why not use simplified forums or something like that?
# [04:27] <Mossop> Drugoy: Perhaps it would be best if you took your questions to the #ux branch during pacific hours as people already mentioned since you clearly don't like the answers those here can give you
# [04:27] <Drugoy> I did write there a few questions, and no one answered yet
# [04:28] <Drugoy> and I guess if I quit - no one ever will answer me
# [04:28] <Drugoy> that's the IRC
# [04:28] <Mossop> As a rule people don't answer when they don't know the answer
# [04:29] <Drugoy> another rule is that someones who know the answer - don't read questions
# [04:29] <philor> many also don't answer when they aren't around
# [04:29] <Mossop> Yep, all very true
# [04:29] <Drugoy> why don't they leave the channel then?
# [04:29] <Mossop> But you increase your odds by being in the right channel at the right time
# [04:30] <Drugoy> what's the point of being in a chat if you don't actually chat?
# [04:30] <Mossop> Because a lot of IRC is being around so if necessary people can get you directly
# [04:31] <Drugoy> why not jabber then? why I have to "register" my nick at nickserv every time I enter the chat?
# [04:31] <Drugoy> why not forum?
# [04:31] <Mossop> You normally don't, unless you've previously registered it
# [04:31] <Mossop> Forums aren't realtime
# [04:31] <Mossop> Jabber is person to person
# [04:31] <Drugoy> aw really?
# [04:31] <KWierso> forums are async, IRC is (theoretically) syncronous
# [04:32] <Drugoy> what century are you living in?
# [04:32] <Jesse> i would prefer to move to a forum system with sync features added
# [04:32] <Drugoy> how about ajax notifications?
# [04:32] <Jesse> IRC is full of anachronisms
# [04:32] <evilpie> aka ping
# [04:32] <Mossop> If the browser were capable of notifications, sure but Firefox isn't yet :)
# [04:32] <Drugoy> vk.com - a russian social network (another fuckfacebook) - it uses ajax to notify you of new messages
# [04:33] <Drugoy> and you get notified almost instantly
# [04:33] <evilpie> Mossop: websockets ?
# [04:33] <Drugoy> and firefox works fine with that site
# [04:33] <Mossop> evilpie: That'll get the page updated in realtime, it doesn't tell me that something has happened that needs my attention when I'm working in my code editor
# [04:34] <evilpie> oh that kind of notifications
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# [04:35] <RyanVM> cshields: about to push to try again]
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# [04:35] <Drugoy> you could write a js to flash tab's background if you have opened the mozdev forum in it and you got new msg
# [04:36] <Mossop> Sure, it's software, we could do anything. It just hasn't happened yet.
# [04:37] <cshields> ryanvm: give me a sec
# [04:38] <cshields> if you don't mind
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# [04:38] <Drugoy> I think that won't ever happen as no one feels this as a problem, only newcomers do
# [04:38] <Drugoy> and who cares about what newcomers think, right?
# [04:38] <Drugoy> that's the sad side of mozilla policy
# [04:39] <Drugoy> it's like with old bugs in bugzilla - it's easier to wontfix 10+ years old bugs than fix them
# [04:40] <Drugoy> isn't that funny when some mozdev writes in caps to the whiteboard: DO NOT COMMENT, WE KNOW PEOPLE WANT THIS
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# [04:40] <@bz> philor: ping
# [04:40] <Drugoy> pong
# [04:40] <Mossop> Actually there are proposals going through the W3C on allowing websites to do notifications like this, it needs ratification and proper controls but once through it is likely to get implemented
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# [04:41] <@bz> drugoy: ?
# [04:41] <Jesse> Drugoy: yeah, relying on IRC does exclude non-geeks a bit
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# [04:42] <philor> bz: pong
# [04:42] <Drugoy> mossop: I already imagine tons of spam notifications by banners opened in background
# [04:42] <Callek> jbuck: my opinion, stick in browser/installer/Makefile.in and browser/locales/Makefile.in a new DEFINES+=MOZGLUE_IS_STATIC=1 and do ifndef MOZGLUE_IS_STATIC (or whatever) in the manifest ;-)
# [04:42] <Drugoy> jesse: nah, it excludes modern geeks
# [04:42] <bholley> philor: hi
# [04:42] <Callek> and do the same makefile test in both places
# [04:43] <RyanVM> cshields: I had already pushed when you replied, but I can do whatever you want
# [04:43] <cshields> RyanVM: still with me? I need a guinea pig in a few
# [04:43] <cshields> oh
# [04:43] <jbuck> Callek: sounds a heck of a lot easier than trying to modify Preprocessor.py :)
# [04:43] <philor> bholley: sorry, just in time for me to say "I gotta back you out"
# [04:43] <Drugoy> jesse: only "old skool" geeks use such outdated things like irc
# [04:43] <RyanVM> cshields: let me know
# [04:43] <Jesse> Drugoy: hopefully, when we switch from IRC, we'll actually switch instead of creating a bridge and ending up with the worst of both worlds (like we did with newsgroups and mailing lists)
# [04:43] <bholley> philor: which one
# [04:43] <Callek> jbuck: exactly :-)
# [04:43] <Mossop> Drugoy: Exactly why it needs careful consideration rather than fast implementation. The spec doesn't allow for websites to just throw anything up, just ask the browser to pass on a message. I think the idea is for browsers to ask users if they want to receive such messages from the website
# [04:43] <philor> bholley: bug 622301, crashing in the Windows PGO build
# [04:43] <RyanVM> cshields: i.e. my first attempt broke fast :P
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# [04:43] <cshields> heh
# [04:44] <cshields> well, I need to kick varnish to pick up a change..
# [04:44] <philor> the one before you isn't showing green yet, but it has tests running, so it must have avoided the crash
# [04:44] <cshields> so give me a few and I'll have you try again
# [04:44] <philor> cshields: I've got one headed to mozilla-inbound, too
# [04:44] <Jesse> Mossop: rather than having web sites ask, what if we put an item in the context menu of app tabs, like "growl at me when this tab has an update"? and hook it up to title changes so it works even with existing sites.
# [04:44] <cshields> philor: cool, hold it a sec plz
# [04:44] <Callek> jbuck: I'm not a reviewer there though, so I can't say that my suggestion will be accepted [I expect it would] and serge is not a reviewer there either (and he does tend to have stronger nitpicks than anyone else, so don't worry too much re: him, imo)
# [04:45] <Drugoy> yeah, feel the power of cross-talks
# [04:45] <Drugoy> that's CHAT
# [04:45] <Drugoy> am I supposed to read everything written in all-chat?
# [04:45] <bholley> philor: ugh, can you deduce any sort of explanation? Or is it just that it crashes?
# [04:45] <Drugoy> or why don't people use PM?
# [04:45] <Mossop> Jesse: Last I heard that was one of the options faaborg was pushing for, but I haven't heard much in a while, and he left ;)
# [04:45] <cshields> philor: RyanVM: go for it
# [04:46] <cshields> philor: RyanVM: and let me know when you are done
# [04:46] <Mossop> Drugoy: People do use PM when appropriate
# [04:46] <philor> bholley: absolutely no idea, the logs look pretty useless :(
# [04:46] <RyanVM> cshields: again? I had re-pushed da7f51f63864
# [04:46] <RyanVM> cshields: I can push again, though
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# [04:46] <philor> cshields: I'm pushed
# [04:46] <Drugoy> how to gather some info about firefox crash if it crashes without triggering crash-reporter?
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# [04:47] <@bz> philor: sorry if you responded; I missed it
# [04:47] * @bz hates OS crashes
# [04:47] <philor> bz: ponged, yep, emailed too
# [04:47] <cshields> philor: woot, its there!
# [04:48] <Jesse> Drugoy: on what OS?
# [04:48] <cshields> ryanvm: if it would show up in pushlog a second time then go for it please
# [04:48] <cshields> s/would/should/
# [04:48] <Drugoy> jesse: on default one
# [04:48] <jbuck> Callek: he did make a valid point RE !XP_UNIX vs (XP_WIN || XP_MACOSX || XP_ANDROID) though. Either moz_glue should be changed to be !XP_UNIX (which I might try, just to see how badly it breaks) or change package-manifest.in to match mozglue
# [04:49] <Callek> jbuck: well we don't have any official machines that build OS/2 for example ;-)
# [04:49] <RyanVM> cshields: I'm assuming that my 2nd push went through in the same manner as the first (you clearing cache or something)
# [04:49] <RyanVM> it's showing on pushlog
# [04:49] <Callek> jbuck: but I do agree he is quite helpful overall, I just also find him annoying at time, but not annoying enough to chastise him :-)
# [04:49] <Jesse> Drugoy: are you using windows, mac, linux, or something else?
# [04:49] <RyanVM> but that's from before you told me to try again
# [04:50] <Drugoy> jesse: windows is the default OS
# [04:50] <cshields> ryanvm: right.. :/
# [04:50] <cshields> I presume it would show again?
# [04:50] <RyanVM> it shows on the try pushlog, yes
# [04:51] <cshields> where?
# [04:51] <cshields> not in pushloghtml
# [04:51] <@bz> philor: this is actually a ping about something other than the email. ;)
# [04:51] <@bz> philor: I got your respose
# [04:51] <RyanVM> http://hg.mozilla.org/try/pushloghtml
# [04:51] <Jesse> Drugoy: you can try https://developer.mozilla.org/en/How_to_get_a_stacktrace_with_WinDbg
# [04:51] <cshields> right - that's showing your first push
# [04:52] <RyanVM> cshields: I see both
# [04:52] <@bz> philor: this time the ping is about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716031
# [04:52] <RyanVM> http://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/e90f9d076d92
# [04:52] <@bz> philor: you think I should wait for ehsan to review?
# [04:52] <RyanVM> http://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/da7f51f63864
# [04:52] <cshields> oh I thought da7f was before I asked to do it again
# [04:52] <@bz> philor: or just go ahead and push it (and the rest of bug 598482 while I'm there)?
# [04:52] <cshields> try again? :)
# [04:52] <@bz> philor: I'll admit to wanting to get this thing landed... ;)
# [04:53] <@bz> philor: but also to not planning to watch the tree afterward
# [04:53] <Jesse> Drugoy: or, if you have access to another OS, reproducing the crash on the other OS might be easier ;)
# [04:53] <RyanVM> cshields: I'll try again in a sec. My build broke again anyway :P
# [04:53] <cshields> let me know when you do, I'm hopeful for having varnish fixed
# [04:53] <cshields> this is all resting on you
# [04:53] <cshields> and if its still broke, I'll try hard not to blame you for it :D
# [04:54] <Drugoy> jesse: this instrument doesn't fit my situation: this crash is pretty random, and I don't have any STR it.
# [04:54] <Jesse> Drugoy: does anything appear in about:crashes ?
# [04:54] <Drugoy> jesse: no, I said that
# [04:55] <Drugoy> it doesn't trigger crash reporter, so the crashes are not listed there
# [04:55] <philor> bz: I say land it, ehsan can review after the fact, and if need be I can remember how to back out 598482 ;)
# [04:55] <Drugoy> there (= in about:crashes)
# [04:55] <Jesse> Drugoy: k, i was hoping maybe it saved a minidump and just failed to bring up the crash reporter UI
# [04:56] <@bz> philor: hehe
# [04:56] <@bz> philor: note that I'm preclearing all the suspicious bits from the try run with you!
# [04:57] <Drugoy> jesse: I also do not get - why do old crash reports get erased from about:crash?
# [04:57] <philor> bz: wait, which try run?
# [04:57] <@bz> philor: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=4a6d6ce8a468
# [04:57] <cshields> bz: let me know when/where you push to if you're going to push anything soon.. I want to see if pushlog is updating as quickly as it should
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# [04:57] <Jesse> Drugoy: could you just run firefox in a debugger for a few days hoping to catch the crash there?
# [04:57] <@bz> cshields: will do
# [04:58] <@bz> philor: WinXp R is the other worry
# [04:58] <@bz> philor: also, the first and second changesets at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&fromchange=846190df4c50&tochange=8440e640cb24
# [04:58] <@bz> philor: all of those have the changes in question
# [04:58] <philor> bz: bwahaha, that Android XUL mochitest-3 is lovely
# [04:58] <@bz> philor: plus various levels of test fixage
# [04:58] <Drugoy> jesse: it'd require a few minutes, actually, to get the crash. I just can't decrypt debug logs :-/
# [04:59] <Drugoy> i mean they are not crypted, i'm just not able to udnerstand them
# [04:59] <@bz> philor: mmmm
# [04:59] <@bz> philor: Good catch
# [04:59] <Jesse> Drugoy: if you manage to get a stack trace with reasonable function names, we can at least help you search for matching bug reports
# [04:59] <RyanVM> can somebody help me with this build error?
# [04:59] <RyanVM> jdcolext.c:28:1: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'LOCAL'
# [05:00] <RyanVM> the code in question is
# [05:00] <@bz> philor: still think I should land this? ;)
# [05:00] <philor> bz: but the last three of them are all green, including the two red ones, it's just ugly, not you
# [05:00] <Drugoy> mmkay, will try that later today
# [05:00] <RyanVM> INLINE
# [05:00] <RyanVM> LOCAL(void)
# [05:00] <RyanVM> rgb_ycc_convert_internal (j_compress_ptr cinfo,
# [05:00] <@bz> philor: good!
# [05:00] <mauke> RyanVM: is that the first error?
# [05:00] <RyanVM> yes
# [05:00] <mauke> RyanVM: because you're missing the definition of INLINE
# [05:00] <mauke> missing/broken #include?
# [05:00] <@bz> ok
# [05:00] <@bz> gonna push this
# [05:00] <RyanVM> mauke: that's got tob e it
# [05:00] <RyanVM> yeah
# [05:00] <philor> do it!
# [05:01] <RyanVM> the new .c doesn't have any includes
# [05:01] <RyanVM> mauke: thanks for pointing out the obvious :P
# [05:01] <Drugoy> Jesse: Mossop: thank you for your time i'm afk now until I get any answer on UX
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# [05:01] <mauke> yay! and I don't even mozilla
# [05:05] <@bz> uh
# [05:05] <@bz> WTF?
# [05:05] <@bz> hg in inbound
# [05:05] <@bz> comparing with http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound
# [05:05] <@bz> searching for changes
# [05:05] <@bz> no changes found
# [05:05] <@bz> hg qfin -a && hg push
# [05:05] <@bz> remote: Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding.
# [05:05] <@bz> pushing to ssh://bzbarsky@mozilla.com@hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound
# [05:05] <@bz> searching for changes
# [05:05] <@bz> abort: push creates new remote heads on branch 'default'!
# [05:05] <@bz> hg in inbound-push shows a changeset
# [05:05] <@bz> that hg in inbound doesn't show
# [05:06] <@bz> cshields: clearly some of the caching is still broken. :(
# [05:06] <RyanVM> mauke: jconfig.h defines INLINE as NS_ALWAYS_INLINE because INLINE isn't defined otherwise. So basically libjpeg-turbo has it baked into its build system such that it doesn't require any trickery like Mozilla requires
# [05:06] * @bz starts spending the time it will cost him to clean up the results. :(
# [05:06] <RyanVM> cshields: i'm ready to push on your OK
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# [05:06] <@bz> $%^$%^$^%$
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# [05:06] <cshields> I don't see an entry in pushlog that didn't make it to the repo
# [05:07] <cshields> (that can happen if someone CTRL-C's a push at the right time)
# [05:07] <cshields> ryanvm: sure
# [05:07] <@bz> well
# [05:07] <@bz> so...
# [05:07] <philor> that would be an entry he's not seeing over http, but is seeing over ssh, right?
# [05:07] <@bz> I'm not seeing the entry over http
# [05:07] * cshields looks at the pushlog2.db
# [05:07] <@bz> but seeing it over ssh
# [05:07] <@bz> I also see it listed at http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound
# [05:07] <@bz> fwiw
# [05:07] <@bz> if I just load that in a browser
# [05:07] <@bz> but hg pull and hg in do not see it
# [05:07] <Jesse> why are you loading code onto your machine using unauthenticated http, when you could be using ssh?
# [05:08] <@bz> last I checked we preferred people to pull over http
# [05:08] <@bz> because it puts less load on the server
# [05:08] <cshields> for performance, yes
# [05:08] <@bz> (and incidentally is faster for the puller)
# [05:09] <doublec> We used to hit cache problems in NZ too due to transparent proxies at our last ISP
# [05:09] <doublec> so we always used https
# [05:09] <@bz> hmm
# [05:09] <cshields> 4918|84470|59cb54c6dfe12005af95a12314dd88eb46e0cccc
# [05:09] <cshields> 4918|mcmanus@ducksong.com|1326599389
# [05:09] <RyanVM> cshields: pushed
# [05:09] <philor> I'll be sad if we wind up with the same thing we had for CVS, where if you had an account you could pull, and if you didn't you couldn't, because unauthenticated was busted
# [05:09] <@bz> does hg.m.o support https?
# [05:09] <cshields> bz: that's the pushlog entry that's missing from the repo :|
# [05:09] <@bz> I'll be happy to do that
# [05:09] <@bz> cshields: well
# [05:09] <cshields> bz: not today.. hg.m.o needs rebuilt.. ground up.
# [05:09] <@bz> cshields: missing from which repo?
# [05:09] <cshields> m-i
# [05:10] <cshields> in other words, it made it into pushlog but not the repo
# [05:10] <@bz> cshields: so why do I see it over ssh?
# [05:10] <cshields> which doesn't have anything to do with cache
# [05:10] <cshields> ohh
# [05:10] <RyanVM> cshields: New push to try not showing
# [05:10] <cshields> gotcha now
# [05:10] <@bz> cshields: it's clearly in a repo _somewhere_
# [05:10] <cshields> well fml
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# [05:11] <@bz> cshields: sorry....
# [05:11] <philor> we should just say "cshields: somebody pushed, please purge varnish"
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# [05:12] <@bz> I mean...
# [05:12] <@bz> I can push
# [05:12] <@bz> I just need to hg qimport -r && hg qpop 24 times
# [05:12] <@bz> then I need to pull from the ssh url
# [05:12] <@bz> etc
# [05:13] <cshields> bah, I see the hook trying to do it now
# [05:13] <cshields> and it is using the deprecated command
# [05:13] <cshields> now to find that hook
# [05:13] <philor> I sure hope those multiple cset patches do sometimes pay off, since I only see the pain from them
# [05:13] <Jesse> damnit, java got enabled again (probably when i updated to lion)
# [05:13] <cshields> and curse some developer for removing a command :|
# [05:13] * @bz imagines cshields in Sherlock Holmes outfit
# [05:14] <@bz> philor: oh, the pain here would have been unimaginable with a single-changeset patch
# [05:14] <@bz> philor: like "this would never have landed" pain
# [05:14] <Jesse> bz: can't you specify one rev and have qimport import all the descendants?
# [05:14] <cshields> heh sorry,
# [05:14] <cshields> let me clear real quick
# [05:15] <@bz> Jesse: hmm
# [05:15] <cshields> bz: reload..
# [05:15] <cshields> ok, so I need to find and fix this hook
# [05:15] <@bz> Jesse: no, but I can qimport rev1:rev2
# [05:15] <@bz> Jesse: nice catch
# [05:16] <RyanVM> cshields: ...and there it is!
# [05:16] <darktrojan> bz I think you can -r -24:0 or something similar
# [05:16] <@bz> darktrojan: "24" was an estimate
# [05:16] <darktrojan> ah
# [05:16] <@bz> darktrojan: it's actually 25
# [05:17] <cshields> RyanVM: yeah that was my intervention :(
# [05:17] <darktrojan> close!
# [05:17] <@bz> (parts 0-23 and a fix for a randomorange)
# [05:17] <@bz> ok
# [05:17] <RyanVM> cshields: Don't worry, the way things are going with my attempts to get this to build, I'll be trying again shortly :P
# [05:17] <@bz> going to push for real
# [05:17] <@bz> if no one objects
# [05:17] <@bz> cshields: ^
# [05:17] <RyanVM> bz: \o/
# [05:17] <Jesse> i'm curious what happened there
# [05:18] <@bz> where?
# [05:18] <Jesse> what happened with hg
# [05:18] <@bz> it got updated?
# [05:18] <@bz> or do you mean more locally?
# [05:18] <philor> there's a hook which clears the varnish cache when someone pushes
# [05:19] <@bz> but varnish got updated
# [05:19] <philor> it uses a deprecated to the point of no longer working command
# [05:19] <@bz> "not working" was a recent development; see "updated"
# [05:19] <Jesse> fun
# [05:19] <philor> that's pretty much how I see updated, yes
# [05:19] <@bz> consequence: all http://hg.mozilla.org URIS lie to you
# [05:20] <@bz> and anything that relies on them breaks
# [05:20] <@bz> e.g. earlier today things that polled pushlog were broken
# [05:20] <cshields> oh wait
# [05:20] <@bz> little things like tbpl and whatnot
# [05:20] <cshields> give me just ~3 mins?
# [05:20] <@bz> :(
# [05:20] * cshields found the hook
# [05:20] * @bz just pushed before you said that
# [05:20] <cshields> no worries
# [05:20] <@bz> but I can find something else to push
# [05:20] <KWierso> well, as long as nothing important is busted...
# [05:21] <@bz> there are some checkin-needed things
# [05:21] <@bz> tell me when you're ready?
# [05:21] <cshields> sounds like RyanVM might be up soon :)
# [05:21] <@bz> well
# [05:21] <@bz> I have one more patch too
# [05:21] <@bz> just need to address review comments
# [05:21] <RyanVM> cshields; my build just died :P
# [05:21] * @bz does thta
# [05:21] <@bz> er, that
# [05:21] <RyanVM> i'm on it :)
# [05:21] <cshields> bz: ok give me 5
# [05:21] <@bz> (properly speaking, I have hundreds of patches, but you don't want me pushing most of these)
# [05:22] <RyanVM> ewww
# [05:22] <RyanVM> ../../../media/libjpeg/jdcolext.c:29:1: warning: return type defaults to 'int'
# [05:22] <RyanVM> ../../../media/libjpeg/jdcolext.c: In function 'LOCAL':
# [05:22] <RyanVM> ../../../media/libjpeg/jdcolext.c:30:1: error: expected declaration specifiers before 'ycc_rgb_convert_internal'
# [05:22] <RyanVM> ../../../media/libjpeg/jdcolext.c:81:1: error: expected declaration specifiers before '__attribute__'
# [05:22] <RyanVM> ../../../media/libjpeg/jdcolext.c:105:1: error: expected '{' at end of input
# [05:22] <RyanVM> ../../../media/libjpeg/jdcolext.c:105:1: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
# [05:22] <@bz> ewww, jpeg
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# [05:23] <@bz> fwiw, I just did hg pull from inbound
# [05:23] <@bz> and of course it didn't see my push
# [05:23] * @bz pulls over ssh
# [05:23] <cshields> I can fix that real quick
# [05:23] <@bz> not a problem for me
# [05:23] <@bz> focus on the other? ;)
# [05:23] * cshields clears by hand
# [05:23] <cshields> ;)
# [05:24] <@bz> hg is giving me bad habits. :(
# [05:24] * @bz finds himself leaving off the last letter or three from commands in the shell and expecting them to work
# [05:24] <blizzard> heh
# [05:24] <blizzard> <tab>
# [05:24] <@bz> blizzard: yes
# [05:25] <@bz> blizzard: but I have that for hg too
# [05:25] <@bz> blizzard: (sorta)
# [05:25] <blizzard> :)
# [05:25] <@bz> blizzard: and since I don't use it there...
# [05:25] <@bz> blizzard: bad habits
# [05:25] <blizzard> that would kind of freak me out
# [05:25] <blizzard> half-finished commands turning into something else
# [05:25] <@bz> if the shell did that?
# [05:25] <@bz> yeah
# [05:25] <cshields> bz: ok, its all you
# [05:26] <cshields> (I see your last - ouch, sorry that was a mess to clean up)
# [05:26] <@bz> cshields: it wasn't that bad
# [05:27] * @bz still needs a few
# [05:27] <@bz> trying to figure out what this reviewer wants. ;)
# [05:27] <cshields> take your time..
# [05:28] <cshields> I'll brb, forgot I left my phone charging in the car - and its probably frozen dead by now
# [05:30] <cshields> yup. dead :P
# [05:30] <@bz> hmm
# [05:30] <@bz> where are you? ;)
# [05:30] <cshields> indiana
# [05:30] <@bz> ah
# [05:30] <@bz> up late, eh? ;)
# [05:30] <catlee-away> I thought batteries liked cold
# [05:30] <cshields> its my punishment for doing maintenance on a friday :)
# [05:31] <RyanVM> cshields: Dunno what to do about the current error. Gonna let it sit for tonight.
# [05:31] <cshields> RyanVM: thanks for your help. I'm pretty confident right now
# [05:33] * @bz is building this code before pushing
# [05:33] <catlee-away> oh now you've done it
# [05:33] <@bz> should be another 2-3 mins
# [05:35] <RyanVM> bz: that takes all the fun out of it
# [05:36] <philor> mmm, http://build.mozillamessaging.com/tinderboxpushlog/?tree=SeaMonkey
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# [05:37] <philor> when I'm down, and feeling orange, I only have to look at... crap, that messes up the rhyme
# [05:37] <cshields> someday, I'd like someone to give IT an hour of time explaining all of that
# [05:38] <RyanVM> cshields: OK, I lied. Gonna try one more attempt.
# [05:38] <philor> what, SeaMonkey? you can't *handle* the explanation of SeaMonkey!
# [05:38] <cshields> OH DARN
# [05:38] <cshields> :)
# [05:39] <cshields> philor: haha nah, the whole tree/colors/numbers, etc..
# [05:39] <cshields> its all matrix to me right now
# [05:39] <philor> I think maybe armenzg did a brownbag intro that's recorded somewhere, no idea how out of date it is though
# [05:40] <cshields> ok, I saw the cache clear command come in
# [05:40] <cshields> woot!
# [05:40] <philor> since lots of the subtleties change week to week, like "ignore all the Android but retrigger it" "no, look, now it's red but finished, don't retrigger that"
# [05:41] <cshields> RyanVM: I see you on pushloghtml right away now
# [05:41] <philor> one hard problem solved, now all you have left is naming and off by one
# [05:41] <RyanVM> excellent
# [05:41] <cshields> \o/
# [05:42] * cshields sees another purge command come in
# [05:43] <@bz> sorry this is taking so long
# [05:44] <@bz> the code in fact did not compile at first try... ;)
# [05:44] * @bz is trying again
# [05:45] * philor fears the contents of http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/brownbag/
# [05:45] <@bz> it all depends on how long it's been in the fridge
# [05:45] <@bz> cshields: ok, I can push whenever
# [05:45] <@bz> cshields: let me know?
# [05:45] <darktrojan> oh dear
# [05:45] <cshields> yes
# [05:45] <cshields> please
# [05:45] <darktrojan> realmedia
# [05:45] <@bz> cshields: "yes" as in push?
# [05:46] <cshields> yes :)
# [05:46] <darktrojan> that's been in the fridge a long time
# [05:46] <cshields> sorry, getting tired :)
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# [05:46] <@bz> pushed
# [05:47] * KWierso wonders if he has any programs set up to play rm...
# [05:47] <cshields> bz: I see it :D
# [05:48] <@bz> cshields: hg in on the http uri shows it too
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# [05:48] <@bz> cshields: yay!
# [05:49] <KWierso> philor: VLC isn't putting out any sound, but I have a really low resolution video...
# [05:50] <philor> KWierso: color, or b&w?
# [05:50] <KWierso> color
# [05:50] <philor> do they move around like Charlie Chaplin?
# [05:50] <KWierso> philor: volume1 claims to be 1 hour, 20 minutes long
# [05:50] <KWierso> impressive for only 24MB file
# [05:51] <philor> cshields: I'm really hoping this is old news, but https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8558602&tree=Mozilla-Inbound and a dozen around it
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# [05:51] <KWierso> philor: "SeaMonkey Brown Bag Series - Training Volume One - with Rick Gessner - 04/11/2000 - Architecture, Design and Coding Principles"
# [05:51] <philor> over http, roughly 20:18, you could have been doing a manual clear then
# [05:52] <philor> eh, none of that's changed, it's still good, eat it!
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# [05:53] <KWierso> there's no words there!
# [05:53] <@bz> huh
# [05:53] <@bz> requesting approval now has a little template
# [05:53] <philor> I saw the output of that, wondered what memo I'd missed that explained how to do it
# [05:55] <cshields> I'm off to bed. I think you guys should be okay for now. Will check on the abort problems tomorrow, maybe this will help?
# [05:55] <philor> sleep well
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# [05:56] <philor> I love how my successful tests of retriggering PGO call for starring 34 failures
# [05:56] <@bz> cshields: g'night!
# [05:57] <philor> failing to build is so much cleaner
# [05:57] <@bz> philor: template seemed pretty self-explanatory to me
# [05:57] <@bz> philor: took me a bit of cut-and-paste to fill in
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# [05:58] * philor tries it
# [05:59] <philor> ah, cute!
# [06:00] * philor looks in on bug 543535, his last experience with -a and -b
# [06:01] <philor> mmm, doesn't look like anyone has picked it up just yet
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# [06:04] * darktrojan is running out of stuff to do while linking
# [06:05] <philor> nobody to sword fight with?
# [06:05] <darktrojan> no :(
# [06:05] <Callek> darktrojan: write moar patches?
# [06:05] <darktrojan> sounds like you're trying to make me productive
# [06:06] <Callek> darktrojan: ok, lolcats
# [06:06] <Callek> redit
# [06:06] <darktrojan> heh
# [06:06] <darktrojan> lolcats it is
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# [06:10] <@bz> philor: btw
# [06:10] <@bz> philor: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636379#c0
# [06:10] <@bz> philor: you know why there's only one URI?
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# [06:11] <philor> bz: yeah, it took me three or five askings of that, but eventually the answers sunk in :)
# [06:11] <@bz> philor: ok
# [06:11] <@bz> philor: just checking
# [06:11] <@bz> philor: looking at this because I just realized that I still make this unexpected-pass more often
# [06:12] <@bz> philor: if the behavior really is random, shouldn't it be random-if instead of fails-if?
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# [06:13] <philor> bz: it should, but, right now we can see that it only passes some of the time - we need a random-if(5) that looks up the previous four logs, and fails if they've been the same 5 in a row
# [06:13] <@bz> philor: hmm
# [06:13] <@bz> philor: would be interesting
# [06:14] <@bz> philor: I'm worried about this being very citrusy
# [06:14] <@bz> philor: btw....
# [06:15] <philor> wow, what happened around Christmas that made that hit a bunch?
# [06:15] <@bz> philor: the bug that was claimed to cause this fails-if is marked worksforme
# [06:15] <@bz> philor: claimed to be fixed by bug 525095
# [06:15] <@bz> philor: which landed 3 days ago?
# [06:15] * @bz is dubious
# [06:19] * philor stares blankly at comment 11
# [06:19] <philor> huh, sounds like I actually looked at the test at some point!
# [06:20] * @bz comments on bug 421587
# [06:20] <@bz> humph
# [06:20] <@bz> test-known-fail doesn't show the images
# [06:21] * @bz does a try push with that test switched to "pass"
# [06:21] <@bz> just to see how it fails
# [06:21] <@bz> though....
# [06:21] <@bz> hrm
# [06:22] <@bz> yeah
# [06:22] <@bz> I bet with my patch in many cases there is no more repaint
# [06:22] <@bz> so bug 421587 no longer bites the test
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# [06:23] <@bz> I could change the test to make it more likely that it would get a repaint if you'd like
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# [06:23] <@bz> should make it fail more reliably. ;)
# [06:24] <philor> something else recently made them less random, I filed something that was supposed to only accidentally happen 1/11! and then it hit again twice the next day
# [06:25] <philor> bug 714496
# [06:27] <philor> but, I don't mind starring it, I'd say you should just comment in whichever bug about why and how to make it fail, and let dholbert and longsonr decide whether they want random-if or me spamming them mercilessly
# [06:34] <@bz> philor: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636379#c60
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# [06:53] <philor> oh, that's a bad, bad Talos
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# [06:54] <philor> or not, I guess adding SIGABRT to the lie about crashing is an improvement
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# [07:02] <@bz> man
# [07:02] <@bz> android is not happy colors
# [07:03] <@bz> philor: imo https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718251 should be major, not normal
# [07:03] <@bz> philor: but what do I know?
# [07:04] <philor> bz: I know one thing about it, it turns the letter red; I suspect, without knowing, that failing to reboot isn't a great thing, but I haven't seen any actual fallout yet, but, the tests are running, the spice is flowing
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# [07:08] <philor> for all I know about the mysteries of Tegras and their foopies, the devices are still rebooting, and they check out build/tools just because, well, that's something you do, you check out build/tools
# [07:09] <philor> and indeed, the log makes the reboot look quite happy, so maybe they clone it for the script to pull from mirrors which they don't actually do
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# [07:13] <philor> bz: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8559822&tree=Mozilla-Inbound and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=605413 is a little worrisome, though
# [07:15] <@bz> philor: looking
# [07:15] <@bz> philor: hrm
# [07:16] <philor> and https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8559809&tree=Mozilla-Inbound - did you touch workers in that second patch?
# [07:16] <@bz> philor: nope
# [07:16] <@bz> philor: well
# [07:16] <@bz> philor: the alignment requirements one
# [07:16] <philor> classy that it sticks the crash in the next test, and is the last workers test so it's clear over in editor
# [07:16] <@bz> philor: yes?
# [07:17] <philor> yes
# [07:17] <@bz> philor: that touches "the world"
# [07:17] <@bz> philor: in that it affects jsval_layout
# [07:17] <@bz> philor: and in C code jsval
# [07:18] <@bz> philor: shouldn't have changed the code crashing there
# [07:18] <@bz> philor: lemme look at this crash
# [07:18] <@bz> so I assume mProxy is null
# [07:18] <@bz> which should have hit an assert, btw
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# [07:21] <@bz> I don't understand why it can assert that
# [07:21] <@bz> seems bogus to me
# [07:21] <@bz> but whadda I know?
# [07:21] * @bz is not bent
# [07:22] <@bz> As for the other....
# [07:22] <philor> the other is a focus outline?
# [07:22] <@bz> The m3 thing
# [07:22] <@bz> looking into that
# [07:22] <@bz> The caret should be displayed correctly after reframing
# [07:22] <@bz> that part
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# [07:23] <philor> yeah, but the difference in the images doesn't seem to be the caret, but a focus outline on the textarea
# [07:23] <@bz> yeah, possible
# [07:23] <philor> sadly, I've lost track of which is the reference
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# [07:23] <@bz> one sec
# [07:23] <philor> without
# [07:24] <@bz> result has the extra glow
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# [07:25] <philor> those who can't, retrigger
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# [07:25] <@bz> heh
# [07:25] <@bz> so this is a bit odd
# [07:25] <@bz> I dunno why we'd lose the focus outline across the reframe
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# [07:26] <@bz> unless this is not focus outline....
# [07:26] <@bz> and instead just has to do with how many times we painted or some such
# [07:27] <@bz> ok
# [07:27] <@bz> going to sleep
# [07:27] <@bz> please please tell me that this stuck
# [07:27] <@bz> would be a good MLK day present. ;)
# [07:27] <philor> I'll do my best to
# [07:28] <@bz> thanks. :)
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# [09:20] <Ms2ger> French spam? That's new
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# [09:23] <philor> journaliste pigiste?
# [09:23] <Ms2ger> philor++
# [09:24] <Ms2ger> Un accessoire GRATUIT, plus un numéro de téléphone local . S.k.y.p.e. sur :
# [09:24] <Ms2ger> F .L .E .X .Y .P .H .O.N.E point C.O.M ( http://promo-special.info/ ).
# [09:24] <Ms2ger> Seems that some URLs don't match up
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# [09:25] <Ms2ger> philor, m-c is clear?
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# [09:28] <philor> Ms2ger: yep, just check the android reds, when you see that they ran all the tests, they'll be bug 718251 failing to clone build/tools, which doesn't seem to bother them at all, no need to retrigger
# [09:28] <Ms2ger> Thanks
# [09:28] <darktrojan> Ms2ger, you can have all the chinese spam I get
# [09:29] <squib> there's no way to override the src attribute of a xul <image> node via CSS, is there? (list-style-image would normally work, but it doesn't seem to when the src attribute is set)
# [09:29] <Ms2ger> squib, don't think so
# [09:29] <squib> hm
# [09:29] * darktrojan agrees
# [09:29] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, thanks, but no thanks :)
# [09:29] <squib> now i need to decide if i just want to set the attribute or if i want to change all the code to use list-style-image
# [09:30] <darktrojan> set the attribute, it's far less confusing
# [09:31] <squib> darktrojan: probably
# [09:32] <squib> it's complicated, since i'm starting with a list item that has a file icon, then i want to set the icon to be a loading throbber, and then when an async function finishes, set the icon to yet another state
# [09:32] <squib> probably, i just need to send out some appropriate events
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# [09:44] <darktrojan> time to build: 16 minutes, time to appear on tbpl: 13 minutes
# [09:44] <darktrojan> :(
# [09:46] <philor> wow, fast!
# [09:46] <darktrojan> on both counts
# [09:46] <philor> under 30 minutes, that's pretty good
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# [09:48] <darktrojan> it would be, if it wasn't red
# [09:48] <philor> heh
# [09:48] <darktrojan> busted in make package of all places
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# [09:50] <philor> yeah, that's a confusing place for being crashy to show up
# [09:50] <darktrojan> I broke it
# [09:50] <darktrojan> builds but doesn't run
# [09:51] <darktrojan> I was unaware run-mozilla.sh got called in make package
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# [09:54] <Ms2ger> philor, you don't happen to know if there is a way to attach gdb to the crashing process in make package? :)
# [09:55] <philor> almost the totality of my knowledge of it is that something named precompile is involved
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# [09:57] <darktrojan> ###!!! ASSERTION: You can't dereference a NULL nsCOMPtr with operator->().: 'mRawPtr != 0', file ../../../dist/include/nsCOMPtr.h, line 809
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# [10:25] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, dereferencing a null nsCOMPtr? :)
# [10:26] <darktrojan> probably
# [10:26] <darktrojan> but where and why are beyond me
# [10:26] <Ms2ger> No stack?
# [10:26] <darktrojan> make package
# [10:27] <darktrojan> on tryserver no less
# [10:28] <Ms2ger> \o/
# [10:28] <Ms2ger> Ooh, nice bug
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# [10:29] <darktrojan> seemed easy enough at the time
# [10:31] <Ms2ger> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=nsIPrefBranch2&;filter=
# [10:31] <Ms2ger> Maybe one of these?
# [10:32] <darktrojan> probably
# [10:32] <darktrojan> works fine with part 1
# [10:33] <Ms2ger> Hm
# [10:33] <Ms2ger> Does do_GetService QI?
# [10:34] <Ms2ger> Removing NS_INTERFACE_MAP_ENTRY(nsIPrefBranch2) might not make it happy, then
# [10:34] <darktrojan> could be it
# [10:34] <darktrojan> I debated leaving it behind
# [10:35] <Ms2ger> Little point in leaving the interface if you can't QI to it
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# [10:36] <darktrojan> I just don't understand these parts of the code very well
# [10:36] <Ms2ger> Count yourself lucky
# [10:36] <Ms2ger> Now, do you know anything about a 315k crashtest leak?
# [10:37] <darktrojan> nope!
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# [10:38] <Ms2ger> Har
# [10:39] * darktrojan denies all knowledge of things leaking
# [10:40] <Ms2ger> Wait, what actually failed on this android run?
# [10:40] <Ms2ger> It's got the build/tools cloning failure
# [10:41] <Ms2ger> A Connection to the other side was lost in a non-clean fashion.
# [10:41] <Ms2ger> And a process killed by signal 15 / program finished with exit code -1
# [10:43] <Ms2ger> "These happen when a Tegra has decided to wander off and stare at the stars for a couple cycles."
# [10:43] <darktrojan> lol
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# [10:44] * darktrojan should pay more attention when he's trying to figure out what code does
# [10:45] <Ms2ger> Ah, and now some reds
# [10:45] <darktrojan> don't you love all the pretty colours?
# [10:46] <roc> is tryserver down or what?
# [10:46] <roc> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=efad71d8a786
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# [10:47] <Ms2ger> Everything is broken
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# [10:47] <darktrojan> what's wrong with that roc?
# [10:47] <roc> it's a blank page?
# [10:47] <Ms2ger> git may be unusable for developers, but I haven't seen it break Tinderbox!
# [10:48] <darktrojan> wfm
# [10:48] <roc> ok
# [10:48] <roc> how are the builds going? :-)
# [10:48] <darktrojan> still building
# [10:49] <darktrojan> ctrl+f5 time?
# [10:49] <Ms2ger> roc, btw, when are we hiring a mounir replacement to work on forms? :)
# [10:49] <roc> restart browser time maybe
# [10:49] <roc> Ms2ger: when are you available?
# [10:50] <darktrojan> heh
# [10:50] <Ms2ger> Do I look like I want to work on forms? :)
# [10:50] <roc> from here, you do
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# [10:50] <darktrojan> where's mounir going?
# [10:50] <roc> B2G
# [10:50] <darktrojan> oh
# [10:51] <Ms2ger> s/going/gone/
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# [10:52] <gaston> is it normal to have omni.ja instead of omni.jar ? i have that with make install in 10.0b4
# [10:52] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [10:52] <Ms2ger> We renamed it to get around some windows bug
# [10:52] <gaston> haha
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# [10:52] <Ms2ger> Something about system restore, IIRC
# [10:52] <gaston> awesome :)
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# [10:57] <darktrojan> \o/ it builds
# [10:58] <darktrojan> thanks Ms2ger
# [10:58] <Ms2ger> Np :)
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# [11:07] <mounir> Ms2ger: you look like someone who want to work on forms
# [11:07] <Ms2ger> I look like someone who wants someone else to work on forms
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# [11:08] <mounir> Ms2ger: you look like someone who support slavery then
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# [11:08] <Ms2ger> Sure
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# [11:09] <mounir> Ms2ger: not related, are you going to be at FOSDEM?
# [11:09] <Ms2ger> Probably not
# [11:09] <Ms2ger> But do look over your shoulder ;)
# [11:10] <mounir> Ms2ger: ok
# [11:10] <mounir> and for forms, jst told me someone might be hired to work on that
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# [11:11] <Ms2ger> \o/
# [11:12] <mounir> I should find some time to work on number though
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# [11:12] <Mitch> Is pulling Hg changes broken for anyone else?
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# [11:13] <darktrojan> Mitch, pull using https or ssh
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# [11:13] <darktrojan> http is bung
# [11:13] <Mitch> Thanks. That should be in the channel topic or something.
# [11:14] * darktrojan does so
# [11:14] * darktrojan changes topic to 'HTTP on hg.m.o is having problems, pull using SSH || Bug 701371 needs clobber on all platforms apart from Linux || m-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN try: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: January 31st || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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# [11:17] <nthomas|away> you should probably comment in bug 718186 if you're still seeing problems. IT thought they had the issues on http:// fixed
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# [11:21] <Mitch> Maybe this is why some people like Git(Hub).
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# [11:27] <Mitch> That was a jab at Mercurial, not Mozilla's IT. ;)
# [11:28] * darktrojan wonders how well git would cope with what we put hg through
# [11:28] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, haven't you heard? It's purr-fect
# [11:28] <darktrojan> meow
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# [11:37] <roc> if we switch to git, even if it turns out to suck, at least the git-lovers would shut up and that's a win
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# [11:38] <Ms2ger> You think they're that easy to shut up? :)
# [11:39] <Ms2ger> Callek_Away, oh, I would've merged
# [11:39] <roc> I used to feel self-conscious about not liking git, like I was just the dumb kid in the room
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# [11:40] <roc> then I discovered derf hates git, and that problem went away
# [11:40] <Ms2ger> Me neither, but I'm not nearly as smart as the two of you :)
# [11:42] <Ms2ger> TEST-UNEXPECTED-ERROR?
# [11:45] <Callek_Away> Ms2ger: heh, not a problem, I did that mostly because I had a inbound patch to push, and my local dir was all m-c already
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# [11:46] <Callek_Away> and I didn't want my inbound patch to be relient on a merge from m-c, as that just complicates backing me out if it was needed ;-)
# [11:47] <Callek_Away> Mitch: btw, these problems are due to VARNISH not Hg :-)
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# [12:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/49afabda6701 - Olli Pettay - Bug 716518 - Add skip* phases to cycle collector, r=mccr8
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# [12:44] <@smaug> edmorley: Ms2ger: are you perhaps going to merge m-i to m-c soon? /me would like to test mstange's and boris' patches.
# [12:44] <Ms2ger> Not me :)
# [12:44] <edmorley> philor|away: nice one on tracking down that PGO failure
# [12:44] <edmorley> smaug: yeah was just starring then going to do so :-)
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# [12:46] <Ms2ger> edmorley, I assume you've seen bug 718251
# [12:48] <edmorley> i hadn't yet, no, thanks
# [12:48] <edmorley> (had seen hg issues yesterday, didn't realise ongoing, had taken a day off to play with the new phone)
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# [13:04] <edmorley> smaug: done
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# [13:04] <@smaug> edmorley: awesome
# [13:06] <decoder> any idea who I should ping about issues with html5 video?
# [13:06] <Ms2ger> Do we pay this guy?
# [13:06] <decoder> im constantly seeing performance issues with html5 videos on linux here using aurora
# [13:06] <Ms2ger> decoder, roc / cpearce
# [13:06] <decoder> Ms2ger: okay thx
# [13:06] <Ms2ger> One of the Matts, maybe
# [13:06] <decoder> i mean, it could be a local issue. but flash is fine
# [13:07] <decoder> and flash shouldnt be better than html5 ;) it cant be^^
# [13:08] <@smaug> on this linux machine html video works usually better than flash
# [13:08] <decoder> i dont think I always had this problem either
# [13:08] <decoder> i once switched my youtube to html5 by default even
# [13:08] <@smaug> decoder: what kinds of problems do you have?
# [13:09] <decoder> smaug: interruptions during playback
# [13:09] <decoder> audio is fine
# [13:09] <decoder> but video stutters
# [13:09] <decoder> every 1-3 seconds I have a stutter of maybe 0.5 s?
# [13:09] <decoder> video is already fully loaded
# [13:10] <@smaug> decoder: do you have huge GC/CC pauses ?
# [13:10] <decoder> smaug: where can I check that? about:memory?
# [13:10] <@smaug> though, GC/CC shouldn't happen every 1-3s
# [13:10] <@smaug> decoder: set javascript.options.mem.log to true and look at error console *messages*
# [13:11] <decoder> okay
# [13:11] <decoder> does that require a restart?
# [13:11] <@smaug> no
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# [13:16] <decoder> smaug: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1450184
# [13:16] <decoder> played for maybe a minute
# [13:17] <decoder> i think the interruptions are more frequent than the GCs in that log though
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# [13:18] <@smaug> yeah, I was just going to say that. there is one 24s period without any GC or CC
# [13:19] <@smaug> GC/CC times are quite high
# [13:19] <@smaug> decoder: do you happen to have plenty of tabs open ?
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# [13:21] <decoder> 58^^
# [13:22] * decoder closes some useless tabs
# [13:22] <aja> grr..just discovered new tablets wife and I were gifted are armv6 (meaning no Firefox)
# [13:23] <@smaug> decoder: reloading some heavy tabs may increase CC/GC times
# [13:23] <@smaug> decoder: things like tbpl
# [13:23] <Ms2ger> aja, so I read "new tablet's wife" and was rather surprised
# [13:23] <@smaug> decoder: also, if you can find the regression range for the video problem, that would be very useful
# [13:24] <KaiRo> aja: wow, what tablets are those?
# [13:25] <decoder> smaug: ill see what I can do
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# [13:27] <decoder> smaug: i closed all but 20 tabs and the problem is gone. the CPU usage also looks different
# [13:27] <decoder> it was doing spikes before, now it's constant during playback
# [13:27] <aja> Superpad 3 10 inch..and a 7 inch labeled MID
# [13:27] <@smaug> decoder: what happened to the CC/GC times ?
# [13:28] <@smaug> decoder: also, it is possible that some background tab was doing some heavy JS
# [13:28] <@smaug> timers run once a second in background tabs
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# [13:31] <decoder> smaug: the GCs are less in duration and frequency
# [13:32] <decoder> the heavy JS thing sounds like it could be the cause yes.
# [13:32] <decoder> it would be good if one was able to see which site causes that
# [13:32] <@smaug> decoder: GC or CC?
# [13:33] <@smaug> decoder: I need to restart this FF
# [13:33] <@smaug> back in a minute
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# [13:33] <KaiRo> aja: hmm, never heard of "superpad" at all, might that be one that uses old technology to reach a comparatively cheap price?
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# [13:34] <decoder> smaug: only 3 GCs in 2 minutes
# [13:34] <decoder> 5 cc
# [13:34] <@smaug> ahaa, less GCs
# [13:35] <aja> KaiRo, yep...touchpad knockoffs from what google says..cept no armv7
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# [13:56] <KaiRo> aja: well, that's one reason why I don't trust the cheaper variants from unknown companies (apart from usually rather bad warranty service) - but you may have some hope as AFAIK it's still in our plans to support ARMv6 some time in the future
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# [13:59] <aja> not holding breath, considering how long bug has been open
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# [14:01] <aja> would be nice in a LTS version
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# [14:16] <gaston> htmpf, 10.0b4 wont compile on macppc, gotta dig which bug report to hunt for...
# [14:16] <gaston> ./yarr/pcre/pcre.h:49:18: error: jstl.h: No such file or directory
# [14:16] <gaston> again a case of yarr jit...
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# [14:17] <Ms2ger> Hm
# [14:18] <Ms2ger> jstl doesn't exist anymore, at least on trunk
# [14:18] <Ms2ger> js/TemplateLib.h now, IIRC
# [14:19] <gaston> i'm pretty sure someone caring about alternative archs already reported it, just gotta find the correct fix to backport
# [14:19] <Ms2ger> (Bug 689362)
# [14:20] <gaston> (thx :)
# [14:21] <gaston> hmpf i'll just try changing the include
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# [14:22] <gaston> strange, pcre.h in m-c still includes jstl.h
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# [14:23] <Ms2ger> Huh, it does
# [14:24] <Ms2ger> I guess that means you own that file :)
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# [14:25] <gaston> ohnoes!
# [14:25] <Ms2ger> Only included if !ENABLE_YARR_JIT
# [14:25] <gaston> i'm pretty sure ENABLE_YARR_JIT was set on ppc
# [14:26] <gaston> anyway, s#jstl.h#js/TemplateLib.h# doesn't work either
# [14:26] <gaston> vm/RegExpObject-inl.h:332: error: no 'bool js::RegExpPrivateCode::isJITRuntimeEnabled(JSContext*)' member function declared in class 'js::RegExpPrivateCode'
# [14:26] <gaston> guess noone compiled that code since ages....
# [14:27] <gaston> yeah ppc is in the ENABLE_YARR_JIT case
# [14:27] <gaston> since it doesnt match ifeq (,$(filter arm% sparc %86 x86_64,$(TARGET_CPU))) in js/src/Makefile.in
# [14:28] <Ms2ger> Hmm, the !ENABLE_YARR_JIT does seem rather rotted
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# [14:29] <gaston> where that ?
# [14:30] <Ms2ger> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-aurora/source/js/src/vm/RegExpObject.h#280
# [14:31] <gaston> but ppc defines ENABLE_YARR_JIT to 1 unless i'm mistaken
# [14:32] <Ms2ger> Strange
# [14:33] <gaston> glandium: since you're looking at alternative archs from time to time, does it ring a bell ?
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# [14:38] <gaston> hah, found last comments in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691898...
# [14:38] <gaston> hm no that's for sparc
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# [14:55] <gaston> http://pastie.org/3189246
# [14:55] <gaston> i don't really get when ENABLE_YARR_JIT is set, from the build line it seems it's not set on ppc
# [14:56] <gaston> otherwise -DENABLE_JIT=1 would be set
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# [14:58] <gaston> isJITRuntimeEnabled exists only if ENABLE_YARR_JIT is set, and it's called from code withing #if ENABLE_YARR_JIT and #ifdef JS_METHODJIT, both unset
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# [15:09] <gaston> mkay, doing some random changes the build goes further but it's veeery strange
# [15:09] <gaston> i'd be surprised noone compiled on ppc since that muchtime
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# [15:13] <gaston> so far i end up with http://pastie.org/3189308 but i'd be surprised it to be the good fix (tm)
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# [15:29] <Drugoy> why there are nor irc logs for ux channel?
# [15:29] <gaston> and ofc it fails to build RegExp.cpp later on
# [15:29] <Drugoy> how the hell am I supposed to remember who wrote me 12 hours ago?
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# [15:40] <reuben> Drugoy, by configuring your client properly, perhaps?
# [15:45] <Drugoy> i use web client
# [15:45] <Drugoy> why the hell are you all using some CHAT ffs?
# [15:47] <reuben> lol
# [15:47] <Ms2ger> Drugoy, please watch your attribute
# [15:48] <mauke> did you mean: attitude
# [15:50] <Ms2ger> No, his attribute :)
# [15:52] <Drugoy> ms2ger: I watched all over it and didn't find the logs
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# [16:39] <evilpie> where is bug 598482 going to help?
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# [17:26] <jdm> Ms2ger: ping
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# [17:28] <Ms2ger> jdm, hi
# [17:28] <jdm> Ms2ger: is bug 446349 behaving according to some bizarro spec, or is it just wrong?
# [17:28] <jdm> I have to say that the second testcase is freaking me out
# [17:29] <jdm> since both alerts show the img element
# [17:29] <Ms2ger> In comment 2?
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# [17:30] <jdm> Ms2ger: yeah
# [17:30] <Ms2ger> That alerts img/title for me
# [17:30] <Ms2ger> (Note, not the value of the title, but the title element)
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# [17:31] <jdm> oh, you're right
# [17:31] <jdm> I could swear it wasn't, but I think I was just crazy
# [17:31] <jdm> ok, so both testcases demonstrate that behaviour because of nsHTMLDocument::ResolveName
# [17:32] <Ms2ger> Now, there's a dozen bugs about that
# [17:32] <Ms2ger> And I keep forgetting what's expected
# [17:32] <Ms2ger> I think the first should return the img
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# [17:36] <mjschranz> smaug: In regards to using AddEventListener for those optional method parameters in 698384/698385, do you know the name of the event I should be looking for?
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# [17:42] <@smaug> mjschranz: name of the event?
# [17:43] <@smaug> mjschranz: AddEventListener is implemented for example here http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/events/src/nsDOMEventTargetHelper.cpp#115
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# [17:43] <@smaug> mjschranz: and the idl look like http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/interfaces/events/nsIDOMEventTarget.idl#104
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# [17:45] <mjschranz> smaug: Well I was looking at the implementation in EventTarget.cpp so that's one change, but what I ment was say.. detecting if the mouse moved down you would provied "mousedown" as the string
# [17:46] <mjschranz> smaug: I'm saying that I don't know the name of the event that would be fired for those optional parameters
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# [17:46] <Ms2ger> mjschranz, there is no event involved
# [17:47] <Ms2ger> mjschranz, aEL is just an example of an API that has optional parameters
# [17:47] <mjschranz> Ms2ger: Ah, clearly I misunderstood that suggestion then in the bug.
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# [17:49] <mjschranz> Ms2ger, smaug: Sorry about that but I see what you ment now.
# [17:49] <Ms2ger> Good :)
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# [17:50] <@smaug> mjschranz: the point is to use [optional_argc]
# [17:50] <@smaug> like with addEventListener
# [17:52] <mjschranz> smaug: Right. Having that there means I can do a check for how many are passed like aEL
# [17:52] <@smaug> yup
# [17:53] <@smaug> and then you don't need to depend on whatever default values is used for those optional parameters, but use your own values
# [17:54] <mjschranz> I guess the only thing I'm not sure about is the nsIDOMNodeIterator **_retval that are used in those methods. I'm guessing it wouldn't never not be included?
# [17:55] <roc> is there a way to get symbols for tryserver Windows opt builds (PGO)?
# [17:55] <roc> actually I don't know if it's PGO or not
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# [17:58] <roc> maybe this symbol server stuff will work
# [17:58] <roc> over airport Wifi
# [17:58] <roc> yeah right
# [17:58] <Ms2ger> mjschranz, "wouldn't never not" is one negative too many, I think :)
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# [17:59] <mjschranz> Ms2ger: Should be "ever" :P
# [17:59] <Ms2ger> Let's sat it's always included :)
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# [17:59] <Ms2ger> say, even
# [17:59] <Ms2ger> And unless the function returns void
# [18:02] <@smaug> mjschranz: _retval is the result
# [18:03] <@smaug> mjschranz: createNodeIterator creates an iterator, and it is returned to the caller in _retval
# [18:03] <roc> ok, anyone know if there's a way to download Windows symbols directly, without using the symbol server protocol?
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# [18:14] <khuey> well, a bit late
# [18:14] <khuey> but http works
# [18:14] <khuey> to roc's question
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# [18:29] <jbuck> isn't it TEST-PATH=path/to/test ?
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# [18:53] <Ms2ger> "For changes to comm-central or close enough (e.g. tracemonkey branch)"
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# [19:13] <evilpie> maybe we should remove tracemonkey now
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# [19:16] <Ms2ger> !summon bholley
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# [19:16] <Ms2ger> No, not you
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# [19:18] <bolg> lol, good work Ms2ger
# [19:18] <Ms2ger> :(
# [19:19] <Ms2ger> !summon dveditz
# [19:19] <bolg> he's sobbing in a corner somewhere
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# [19:24] <bolg> Ms2ger: do you sleep?
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# [19:25] <Ms2ger> No
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# [19:27] <Ms2ger> bolg, do you have a kid called Jack who just emailed me to ask if I've got a dog for him?
# [19:27] <bolg> Ms2ger: lolwut. that's golden
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# [19:28] <Ms2ger> one of Labrador Retriever / Maltese / Havanese / german shepherd / Dachshund / Terrier / bulldog
# [19:28] <Ms2ger> should not be more than 8weeks and i want female.Let me know the cost and will also like to see their pictures too
# [19:28] <Ms2ger> bholley, ah, good, I was looking for you
# [19:28] <Ms2ger> Unrelated to the dogs, I should say
# [19:28] <bholley> Ms2ger: hm?
# [19:29] <Ms2ger> bholley, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/src/XPCComponents.cpp#4105 < any reason those can't be implemented with IDL?
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# [19:33] <bholley> Ms2ger: not sure. I'd have to look at it more closely than I have time to do right now. I've never seen these before
# [19:33] <Ms2ger> Alright
# [19:33] <Ms2ger> When are you coming over, btw?
# [19:33] <bholley> 6 days
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# [19:35] <khuey> woo
# [19:35] <evilpie> so Ms2ger invited bholley to a pyjama party?
# [19:35] <Ms2ger> evilpie, they call it "work week"
# [19:35] <Ms2ger> /weeks
# [19:35] <Ms2ger> /booze
# [19:35] <evilpie> yeah sure, hard work!
# [19:36] <Ms2ger> Visiting Paris, yes :)
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# [19:40] <evilpie> this paris? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15391010/ns/travel-news/t/paris-syndrome-leaves-tourists-shock/#.TxIPEMddBTZ
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# [19:47] <Ms2ger> Scruffy locals? Sounds like mounir :)
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# [20:26] <reuben> how do we alias mfbt/ to mozilla/ when building?
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# [20:27] <reuben> the EXPORTED_NAMESPACES thing
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# [20:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/047c8ba7d2e4 - Olli Pettay - Bug 718297 - Add EnumerateAll to nsPropertyTable, r=jst
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# [20:31] <artpar> hello people
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# [20:32] <Ms2ger> reuben, EXP.. Yeah, that
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# [20:33] <artpar> i have completed the first 3 steps of https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Introduction and currently trying to complete a "mentored bug"
# [20:33] <artpar> i edited a particular cpp file, nsDataObj.cpp inside obj/widgets/windows/
# [20:34] <artpar> and then tried the incremental build procedure
# [20:34] <artpar> by going in that dir and doing "make"
# [20:34] <artpar> i get the new nsDataObj.obj
# [20:34] <artpar> but when i debug, in MSVC
# [20:34] <@smaug> you need to relink
# [20:34] <artpar> it still says "source is modified" cannot properly debug
# [20:34] <artpar> relink ?
# [20:35] <Ms2ger> make in toolkit/library
# [20:35] <@smaug> make -C objdir/widgets/windows && make -C ff/objdir/toolkit/library
# [20:35] <@smaug> make -C objdir/widgets/windows && make -C objdir/toolkit/library
# [20:35] <artpar> ok, thanks a lot, will do that :)
# [20:39] <artpar> also, is there some doc or wiki which i can refer to understand the Classes/Structures/Functions in the Firefox src ?
# [20:40] <reuben> Ms2ger, I mean how do we actually do it, I don't know how to make the compiler treat #include "foo/bar.h" as #include "baz/bar."
# [20:40] <@smaug> artpar: read the source code and use mxr
# [20:40] <Ms2ger> reuben, we install it into dist/include/mozilla/
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# [20:41] <artpar> okay, thanks smaug
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# [20:41] <reuben> artpar, http://www.joshmatthews.net/blog/2011/05/build-smarter-not-harder/
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# [20:42] <bholley> *stuff
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# [20:44] <artpar> reuben, thanks
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# [21:00] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: possibly predates [implicit_context] ?
# [21:00] <Ms2ger> Long predates, probably
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# [21:02] <cshields> those of you who could reproduce the abort: ... unknown parent" error when cloning/pulling hg from http please try again and let me know if it has gone away
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# [21:14] <cshields> stefanh: ping
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# [21:21] <stefanh> cshields: pong
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# [21:21] <cshields> stefanh: heya, try again for me real quick.. and let me know what repo you are trying to clone?
# [21:21] <stefanh> (sorry, had turned off the sound)
# [21:21] <cshields> np
# [21:22] <stefanh> sure
# [21:22] <Elen> I'm still seeing the unknown parent issue when pulling mozilla-central
# [21:22] <cshields> :| now I'm curious why you guys get it and I don't now..
# [21:22] <stefanh> cshields: hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/
# [21:22] <cshields> Elen: what hg version?
# [21:22] <stefanh> cshields: abort: 00changelog.i@21c84409902e: unknown parent!
# [21:23] <stefanh> cshields: doesn't work cloning comm-central either
# [21:24] * stefanh tries cloning camino
# [21:24] <cshields> ok, I reporuced with comm-central :(
# [21:25] <stefanh> cshields: hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/camino/ works
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# [21:26] <Elen> cshields: 1.9.1
# [21:27] <Elen> ..and pull just worked for me on mozilla central
# [21:27] <stefanh> uh
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# [21:28] <stefanh> still doesn't work for me
# [21:28] <artpar> i am seeing this "unknown parent!" error and this time of the day since 3 days
# [21:28] <artpar> it works at other times
# [21:28] <cshields> artpar: that's what we're working on right now.. which repo?
# [21:29] <artpar> repo as in : http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ ?? or something else ?
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# [21:30] <cshields> yeah, that's it thx
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# [21:34] <cshields> artpar: can you try again and let me know if it happens?
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# [21:34] <artpar> ok, just a min
# [21:35] <artpar> http://mibpaste.com/3zLE6q
# [21:35] <artpar> Summery : unkown parent
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# [21:45] <cshields> so weird that I can't repro this as much as some of you can
# [21:45] <cshields> yet I'm on 2.0.2 (maybe that has something to do with it?)
# [21:46] <stefanh> I can upgrade to 2.0.2 and see what's happening
# [21:46] <Elen> yeah, it's back to working reliably for me without any changes.. pull failed.. I did hg --version and then tried hg pull again and it worked, hasn't failed again since then
# [21:47] <stefanh> huh
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# [21:50] <cshields> stefanh: sorry, I know you've stepped away but if you happen to still be here, try again?
# [21:51] <cshields> you might be the last known "failing case" :)
# [21:51] <stefanh> cshields: no change :(
# [21:51] <stefanh> (mozilla-central)
# [21:51] <cshields> try 2.0.2?
# [21:51] <cshields> if you don't mind
# [21:51] <cshields> I know its late there
# [21:52] <stefanh> cshields: I was just about to download the package, gimme 5 min ;-)
# [21:52] <cshields> :)
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# [21:54] <artpar> how do i initialise "nsCOMPtr<nsIURI> aUri;" with a URL ?
# [21:54] <artpar> like, nsAutoString url;
# [21:55] <artpar> aUri = url; ?
# [21:55] <stefanh> cshields: same issue with 2.0.2 :(
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# [21:57] <stefanh> cshields: '--debug' doesn't give much info either: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1450390
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# [21:59] <cshields> thanks stefanh
# [21:59] <stefanh> np
# [22:00] <cshields> one more, stefanh
# [22:00] <cshields> can you try another repo real quick
# [22:00] <stefanh> sure
# [22:00] <cshields> one that shouldn't be cached, like /build/tools
# [22:01] <stefanh> lemme look
# [22:01] <cshields> that should clone quickly
# [22:02] <stefanh> cshields: works fine
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# [22:03] <NeilAway> artpar: you have to ask the IO service for one, using NS_NewURI
# [22:03] <stefanh> cshields: is http://hg.mozilla.org/camino/ cached?
# [22:04] <cshields> doesn't appear to be
# [22:05] <stefanh> because that works too
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# [22:09] <KWierso> when does the error pop up? immediately? at the end? middle?
# [22:09] <KWierso> cshields: ^
# [22:09] <cshields> pretty close to immediately
# [22:09] <KWierso> I'm almost done adding manifests, no errors yet
# [22:10] <stefanh> then you're safe
# [22:10] <artpar> thanks NeilAway, you are right
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# [22:11] <cshields> thanks for the help
# [22:11] <stefanh> np
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# [22:11] <cshields> hopefully we'll get this wrapped up soon :|
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# [22:34] <darktrojan> tbpl, where 18 failures is a pass https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=c1b088a427ad
# [22:34] <nthomas> that android issue (cloning build/tools) should be resolved now
# [22:34] <darktrojan> oh good
# [22:35] <nthomas> it doesn't actually affect the tests AFAICT, must be an unneeded step
# [22:35] * darktrojan mostly just ignores android anyway
# [22:35] <nthomas> we got to get out of that mindset
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# [22:36] <darktrojan> well fixing the build/tools thing should help a lot
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