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# Session Start: Fri Jan 20 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <ehsan> (the machine is alive again)
# [00:00] <azakai> gcp: heh :)
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# [00:01] <gcp> azakai: look what you did, I have to defend hg in another thread now
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# [00:01] <azakai> heh
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# [00:05] <evilpie> bsmith: is bug 440046 still on your radar? Shouldn't be too much work as we already did quite a few reviews
# [00:05] <azakai> gcp: keep up the good work with defending mq
# [00:06] <bsmith> evilpie: Yes, I already told ddahl that we must make sure it gets in before the merge date.
# [00:06] <gcp> you already admitted to using git. my work is done.
# [00:06] <bsmith> Things are getting late but I will deal with it next week
# [00:06] <azakai> heh
# [00:06] <bsmith> I saw that jst just f+d my approach for the e10s side.
# [00:06] <evilpie> bsmith: awesome! next time i would appreciate some comment in the bug
# [00:06] <bsmith> er, native fennec side, imean.
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# [00:07] <bsmith> evilpie: OK
# [00:07] <evilpie> thanks, makes it hard to follow otherwise from here ;)
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# [00:09] <wesj> bsmith: do you have time to talk about the java crypto stuff i'm working on?
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# [00:09] <bsmith> wesj: sorry I missed your ping.
# [00:10] <bsmith> which bug number?
# [00:10] <bsmith> there are at least two java crypto bugs.
# [00:10] <wesj> bug 718760
# [00:10] <gcp> wesj: btw, final sqlitebridge landed
# [00:10] <bsmith> wesj: Do you have a proposal for a design?
# [00:10] <wesj> gcp: awesome. finally won't have to start every day unbitrotting you
# [00:11] <bsmith> or an implementation?
# [00:11] <gcp> wesj: :P well the last few days had no real user visible changes unless you have BLOB, tho
# [00:11] <wesj> bsmith: i'm writing an implementation
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# [00:12] <bsmith> wesj: Do you think we need to have master password? Or, do you think that is too much of a rathole to even discuss?
# [00:12] <Tobbi> This is again before I file a feature request bug: Would it be possible (or should we) display a warning in the error console when handlers like onclick, onmousedown etc. get passed something else than a variable of type function?
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# [00:12] <wesj> bsmith: well... we have mp right now, and mfinkle wants to keep it running for users without sync at least
# [00:13] <wesj> but i think i can handle that on the js side
# [00:13] <bsmith> wesj: OK, so then how will you get from password to encryption key?
# [00:13] <wesj> if (mpenabled) use sdr, otherwise use java
# [00:14] <bsmith> wesj: if there is no master password you don't have to do any crypto
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# [00:15] <wesj> bsmith: i've thought about doing that. is the sec team ok with passwords stored unencrypted in signons.sqlite?
# [00:15] <wesj> if so, why do we encrypt them with a null key at all?
# [00:15] <bsmith> wesj: You can't ask me what secteam thinks about things
# [00:15] <wesj> imelven^?
# [00:16] <bsmith> wesj: do we encrypt them with a null key now, or do we encrypt them with a random key that is protected in key3.db with a null key?
# [00:16] <jgilbert> rs: any chance you can answer a question about BMPs and alpha channels?
# [00:16] <imelven> wesj: give me a second to catch up
# [00:17] <wesj> bsmith: the later sorry
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# [00:17] <bsmith> wesj: in the latter case, you only have to protect key3.db
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# [00:18] <bsmith> but, as a practical matter, if you've lost your signons database, you probably lost key3.db
# [00:18] <bsmith> wesj: where are you located?
# [00:18] <wesj> bsmith: sf office, you?
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# [00:19] <bsmith> wesj: SF, but not today
# [00:19] <wesj> heh. do you want to meet and talk in person tomorrow?
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# [00:25] <rs> jgilbert: I'd likely don't know the answer
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# [00:26] <imelven> wesj: i think i would prefer the password be encrypted in the signons.sqlite - although it does seem like if the key is protected with a null password (in the no master password) case it seems a little bit of questionable value
# [00:26] <jgilbert> rs: alright, think I got it figured out
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# [00:36] <doublec> mwu: sorry, server crashed and I forgot to restart the update daemon
# [00:36] <doublec> mwu: restarting it now
# [00:36] <gavin> bsmedberg: r? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1455371
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# [00:39] <mwu> doublec: thanks
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# [00:46] <jorendorff> this may not be the place to ask, but i'm visiting a U.S. Senator's office tomorrow to chat about SOPA/PIPA. any advice?
# [00:46] <reuben> awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI
# [00:46] <jhammel> jorendorff: wow, i don't know but good luck!
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# [00:51] <artpar> hello, i was seeing how hg works, and did hg qnew twice, and now patch is in two different files, so i deleted all files in patch folder, then did hg qnew again, but new patch file does not contains the patch, what do i do ?? :(
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# [00:52] <jorendorff> (the senator himself won't be there, he's on the bahamas for all i know -- but despite his being a cosponsor, his office wants to hear from constituents.)
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# [00:53] <dholbert> artpar, "hg qnew" saves all your current changes into a patch-file in the patches folder. If you then delete that patch file, you've lost the changes, generally
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# [00:53] <Mook_as> well, if it's still applied, you _might_ get it out of hg log/diff?
# [00:53] <dholbert> artpar, however -- if you've still got the patch applied in your working directory (as shown by "hg qapplied"), then you can re-generate the patch
# [00:53] <dholbert> yeah
# [00:54] <artpar> well, i did copied the two patch files, what should i do now ?
# [00:54] <jhammel> jorendorff: http://dyn.com/sopa-breaking-dns-parasite-stop-online-piracy/ makes some good points about the technical badness of SOPA
# [00:54] <dholbert> oh that's good
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# [00:54] <dholbert> artpar, you can "hg qimport" those patch files
# [00:54] <dholbert> artpar, and then it sounds like you want to fold them together into one patch (?)
# [00:54] <artpar> yes yes !
# [00:54] <dholbert> artpar, you can fold multiple patches together with the "hg qfold" command
# [00:54] <dholbert> (after they're in your patch queue)
# [00:55] <artpar> hg qfold patch1.patch patch2.patch ?
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# [00:55] <artpar> or just
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# [00:55] <artpar> hg qfold
# [00:55] <artpar> i think i got what u meant
# [00:55] <artpar> thanks a lot dholbert :)
# [00:55] <dholbert> assuming you have patch0.patch applied, and you want to fold patch1 and patch2 into patch0, then your first command was correct
# [00:55] <dholbert> artpar, if you just want to fold patch2 into patch1, then apply patch1 and run "hg qfold patch2"
# [00:56] <dholbert> er s/apply/qpush/
# [00:56] <dholbert> artpar, no problem!
# [00:56] <artpar> ok, i will try this out
# [00:58] <artpar> i imported the patch files
# [00:58] <artpar> $ hg qimport *.patch
# [00:58] <artpar> adding shortcur2.patch to series file
# [00:58] <artpar> adding shortcut2.patch to series file
# [00:59] <artpar> bu then
# [00:59] <artpar> $ hg qfold shortcur2.patch shortcut2.patch
# [00:59] <artpar> abort: no patches applied
# [00:59] <artpar> nothing happens
# [00:59] <dholbert> artpar, as I said, you need to have a patch applied
# [00:59] <dholbert> qimport doesn't apply any patches
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# [00:59] <artpar> what do i do to apply them ? these are basically generated from my own edits
# [00:59] <dholbert> probably: "hg qnew myMergedPatch" and then run the qfold command again
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# [01:05] <jhford> josh: do you have a bug regarding your plans for Firefox 13 (clang, 10.5 etc)
# [01:06] <josh> jhford: espindola would know about any clang bug, there is no bug re: 10.5 yet and I don't want to file it yet
# [01:06] <jhford> ok
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# [01:06] <jhford> fair enough
# [01:07] <josh> jhford: I'll be posting to dev.planning again soon re: 10.5
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# [01:07] <espindola> jhford, there is generic bug about supporting building with clang
# [01:07] <jhford> josh: cool, mind CCing me when you do?
# [01:07] <espindola> I don't think we have one for an actual switch
# [01:07] <jhford> espindola: generic to mozilla or generic to mozilla on osx
# [01:07] <espindola> os x
# [01:08] <espindola> let me find it
# [01:08] <josh> espindola: are you planning to use the latest clang from Apple in production, or non-Apple clang?
# [01:08] <espindola> josh, I would like to use open source releases
# [01:09] <espindola> chrome is even using trunk snapshots
# [01:09] <josh> fine with me, just curious
# [01:09] <espindola> they branch them when they branch their releases
# [01:09] <jhford> it would be nice to not depend on apple compilers for when 10.8 comes out :P
# [01:09] <espindola> anything open source would be fine by me
# [01:09] <espindola> yes, being able to mix and match compiler and sdk
# [01:09] <espindola> and fix the compiler when we have a problem in a big advantage
# [01:10] <josh> espindola: how long until we can move production to clang?
# [01:10] <espindola> josh, depends on how much time I would have for it
# [01:10] <espindola> and how we do it
# [01:10] <espindola> since it is currently very low priority
# [01:10] <espindola> I am working on 683975
# [01:11] <espindola> which should make testing new compilers 1000 times easier
# [01:11] <espindola> and then use that to try to move us to clang
# [01:11] <espindola> if it becomes a priority and there is rel eng commitment to it, it can probably be done in one or two rounds or testing
# [01:12] <espindola> the clang bugs:
# [01:12] <espindola> 629459
# [01:12] <espindola> 672210
# [01:12] <espindola> 695726
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# [01:13] <espindola> the last bug I fixed was about calling a pointer to a member function that had a non standard calling convention
# [01:14] <espindola> so I think we are getting close to having all the corner cases :-)
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# [01:25] <jhammel> has something changed in pushState? browsing files in github no longer puts the correct URL in the URL bar, unless this is a *very* recent (and bad) change of them
# [01:26] <jhammel> hmmm....reloading the page fixed....intermittent bug on someone's part
# [01:26] <mwu> jhammel: seems to wfm
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# [01:29] <jbuck> jhford: I've noticed it's possible to break the navigation on github if you click on a link and go back before it's done
# [01:29] <jhammel> jbuck: me, i think you mean, but good to know
# [01:29] <jhammel> maybe that's what i did....after things were not pushing state, they kept that way
# [01:29] <jbuck> er, whoops
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# [01:50] <gavin> anyone else noticed that "hg blame" links are now horribly slow?
# [01:51] <gavin> possibly since the hg upgrade?
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# [02:16] <biesi> aww, I can't see the dependencies of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644776
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# [02:20] <reuben> any mailing list moderators here?
# [02:20] <reuben> I was wondering if non-members are allowed posting on the larger lists like .planning and .platform
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# [02:20] <reuben> I _want_ to allow non-members on our list but I'm afraid that will send a storm of spam in our way
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# [02:23] <Unfocused> reuben: they currently are allowed, yes
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# [02:23] <Unfocused> (i'm not a list moderator for any of those, though)
# [02:23] <reuben> Unfocused, but are the messages accepted right away or moderated?
# [02:23] <reuben> (if you have that info)
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# [02:24] <Unfocused> afaik, there is no moderation on those lists
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# [02:28] <AryehGregor> KaiRo, "use strict";
# [02:28] <AryehGregor> Then using an uninitialized variable will throw.
# [02:29] <KaiRo> AryehGregor: I guess I could use that in a web app as well, yes... I probably should give it a try
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# [02:33] <bent> hey, can we start using MPL2 with new files that we add from now on?
# [02:33] <bent> or are we supposed to use the old ones until we switch everything?
# [02:33] <Unfocused> reuben: fwiw, i moderate the community-newzealand list (extremely light list, few non-spam postings), and have it set so new posters are moderated. i get 1-4 messages a day that get held on the moderation queue that i need to deal with, but no spam ever gets onto the list
# [02:34] <reuben> Unfocused, I just switched to allow non-members and moderate new posters on community-brasil. hopefully things will be fine :)
# [02:34] <reuben> thanks for the info!
# [02:35] <Unfocused> :)
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# [02:46] <mixedpuppy> I'm wondering if anyone can tell me under what circumstances would firefox NOT write a webappstore.sqlite file
# [02:46] <mixedpuppy> If I create a fresh profile, I get one
# [02:47] <mixedpuppy> my old profiles are not
# [02:47] <mixedpuppy> this is on aurora
# [02:47] <mccr8> bent: I think you are supposed to start using the new one.
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# [03:36] <dbuc> https://wiki.mozilla.org/XPConnect_Chrome_Object_Wrappers
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# [03:37] <dbuc> it seems to indicate on the wiki and in MDN that a function created in chrome space and accessed in content in this way would indeed escalate privledges as desired
# [03:37] <Waldo> cows (yeah, I know) are not quite what we have implemented now
# [03:37] <dbuc> ah
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# [03:37] <Waldo> the proxy work changed the names of a bunch of things, and it may well have changed their functionality too
# [03:37] <dbuc> sad times
# [03:37] <Waldo> dbuc: mrbkap would know more about this
# [03:38] <Waldo> he's in France now, tho, so getting in touch with him may require a little time coordination
# [03:38] <dbuc> ok cool, I will try
# [03:38] <dbuc> thanks for the heads up!
# [03:38] <Waldo> np
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# [05:05] <heycam> why do we need to give nsISupports to extension developers? is it so that they can stick arbitrary C++ objects into JS and be able to get them out again?
# [05:05] <heycam> otherwise it doesn't seem that useful, though maybe I'm missing something
# [05:07] <felipe> I believe it's so that if they want to create their own interfaces they still need to extend nsISupports
# [05:07] <heycam> is it that they would want to use XPCOM internally?
# [05:07] <heycam> if so: why? :)
# [05:09] <roc> as a way of interfacing to their own binary components
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# [05:10] <heycam> just wondering why they would use XPCOM in particular to do that
# [05:10] <heycam> saves them making something up on their own I suppose
# [05:10] <cadecairos> how can I get a date range on hg? or a range from rev1-rev2?
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# [05:20] <mbrubeck> cadecairos: "hg help revsets" gives some options
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# [05:20] <mbrubeck> cadecairos: you can do things like "hg log rev1::rev2"
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# [05:22] <mbrubeck> cadecairos: Oh, never mind - I see you got a better answer in #introduction
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# [05:25] <cadecairos> mbrubeck: yeap. thank anyways :)
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# [05:27] <darktrojan> !seen reed
# [05:27] <firebot> reed was last seen 3 days, 7 hours, 18 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying 'XioNoX: hi' in #interns.
# [05:29] <darktrojan> hmm
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# [05:29] * darktrojan wonders why sometimes firefox complains about <strong/> and sometimes it doesn't
# [05:30] <darktrojan> (on planet)
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# [05:44] <darktrojan> (okay NeilAway, before you answer that, I suspected it was dodgy headers)
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# [09:05] <glazou> bonjour
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# [09:05] <darktrojan> hi
# [09:06] <darktrojan> woah, os x build and results in under an hour
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# [09:59] <SeoZ> yo
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# [10:01] <SeoZ> yo
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# [10:04] <darktrojan> glandium, your push went boom, dunno if it's your fault or not
# [10:04] <glandium> darktrojan: already fixed
# [10:04] <darktrojan> righto
# [10:06] <glandium> only android xul is affected
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# [10:09] * glandium too
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# [10:13] <darktrojan> woah
# [10:13] <darktrojan> full addon review in <2 hours
# [10:13] * darktrojan is well impressed
# [10:15] <SeoZ> hello all
# [10:15] <SeoZ> where can i get the gecko source code?
# [10:15] <NeilAway> darktrojan: bug 681915 perhaps?
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# [10:16] <darktrojan> yeah it is NeilAway, there's also something stupid about the software that causes it to happen too
# [10:17] <darktrojan> it saves the xhtml as a .html
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# [10:23] <protz> https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/issues/1087#issuecomment-3576464
# [10:23] <protz> « when you use a chrome url you give the chrome privileges regardless of the type="content" setting »
# [10:23] <protz> what?
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# [10:24] <darktrojan> SeoZ, https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide/Source_Code
# [10:25] <SeoZ> darktrojan: thanks i checked that. but i didn't figure out which one is gecko.
# [10:25] <nigelb> is there a bug about desktop notifications?
# [10:25] <SeoZ> xulrunner?
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# [10:25] <darktrojan> the source contains gecko (it's all over the place) and other stuff
# [10:26] <SeoZ> darktrojan: ok.. so there is no 'gecko' directory or something like that.
# [10:26] <darktrojan> nope
# [10:26] <darktrojan> what are you trying to do?
# [10:26] <SeoZ> is there any open api and ipc for gecko that i can use gecko from my application?
# [10:26] <SeoZ> i want to see how i can use gecko itself without xul.
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# [10:28] <darktrojan> erk, that is something I do not know. NeilAway, glandium, who should SeoZ be talking to?
# [10:28] <SeoZ> darktrojan: oh.. that's so much helpful :)
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# [10:30] <glandium> SeoZ: I think you'd be better off talking to romaxa
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# [10:30] <glandium> SeoZ: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Embedding/IPCLiteAPI
# [10:30] <SeoZ> glandium: thank you.
# [10:31] <glandium> SeoZ: that's work in progress, though
# [10:31] <SeoZ> glandium: oh.. romaxa is working on this?
# [10:31] <glandium> SeoZ: for the qt port
# [10:32] <SeoZ> great, that helped me a lot.
# [10:32] <SeoZ> i'll contact romaxa.
# [10:32] <darktrojan> with that, we could almost get camino back
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# [10:34] <SeoZ> so with Embedding/IPCListAPI, i can use gecko in my application without xul?
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# [10:35] <jdm> tunisia is underwater, juding by the air mozilla feed
# [10:35] <jdm> SeoZ: as far as I know, yes
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# [10:35] <jdm> it's meant to be similar to webkit, I think
# [10:36] <SeoZ> that's great :)
# [10:36] <jdm> darktrojan: your retriggered C1 is orange again :/
# [10:36] <darktrojan> jdm, I know, I think it's still just a random
# [10:37] <jdm> looks like it's just android being dumb again
# [10:37] * darktrojan doesn't really bother too much with android orange
# [10:37] <darktrojan> it's not my push breaking it
# [10:37] <jdm> agreed
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# [10:38] <darktrojan> hmm, I'm misinformed about camino, I thought they'd switched to webkit
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# [10:41] <jdm> it's so depressing that every reddit mozilla AMA turns into questions about firefox, regardless of the team hosting it
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# [10:43] <protz> how do I know if I'm running with chrome privileges?
# [10:43] <protz> does if (Components && "classes" in Components) work?
# [10:44] <jdm> protz: that may not be good enough. I think Components is exposed to content
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# [10:44] <protz> jdm: that's what methinks
# [10:44] <protz> any ideas? :)
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# [10:47] <jdm> sicking would probably know
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# [10:51] <darktrojan> when did you last identify?
# [10:52] <hsivonen> darktrojan: I don't recall. some time between September and December maybe
# [10:52] <darktrojan> I reckon it could've expired
# [10:53] <jdm> yep
# [10:53] <jdm> 30-60 days is a common expiration time
# [10:55] <hsivonen> huh. it doesn't make sense no expire my nick in 60 days if my IRC client is connected all the time
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# [10:58] <darktrojan> nickserv isn't the smartest bot in the world
# [11:00] <glandium> mmm the android oranges don't smell good
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# [11:02] <glandium> at least for once the log is useful
# [11:02] <darktrojan> if you get a log there's probably actually something wrong
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# [11:05] <glandium> okay, just need a clobber
# [11:07] <glandium> oh, the clobberer changed
# [11:07] <darktrojan> is ordering a clobber something anyone with commit access can do?
# [11:08] <glandium> darktrojan: i don't remember the rights required for that
# [11:10] <darktrojan> it's one of those things I see mentioned all the time that I have no idea about
# [11:11] <glandium> edmorley: if you merge m-i to m-c later today, bug 683127 requires a clobber on android and android debug (not android xul, and not non-android)
# [11:12] <edmorley> darktrojan: you just need LDAP access, which you can get if you have a level 1 and request a password if you don't have one in addition to the ssh key already
# [11:12] <edmorley> glandium: cool thanks :-)
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# [11:31] <darktrojan> protz, have you considered registering your own protocol that doesn't have chrome privileges?
# [11:31] <protz> darktrojan: I'm about to use resource://
# [11:31] <darktrojan> (or using file://)
# [11:32] <protz> darktrojan: it turns out (discussion happening in #extdev) that https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Displaying_web_content_in_an_extension_without_security_issues is completely wrong
# [11:32] <darktrojan> heh
# [11:32] <protz> which is more concerning than my own addon :)
# [11:32] <protz> it's not like I'm using dangerous code, I'm just bundling pdf.js
# [11:32] <darktrojan> I forgot resource: doesn't have privileges, because I always Cu.import stuff from ti
# [11:32] <darktrojan> it
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# [11:33] <protz> yeah, right, I wouldn't have thought of it if it weren't for John-Galt from #extdev
# [11:33] <darktrojan> my extensions are relics from the 3.0 days
# [11:34] <protz> oh, you're getting "vintage" ;-)
# [11:34] <darktrojan> heh
# [11:34] <darktrojan> yeah, when you couldn't Cu.import from a chrome url because it was in a .jar
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# [11:34] <darktrojan> fun times
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# [11:36] <@smaug> Does 'black bit propagation' have any well-known meaning in computer science, or in English in general ?
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# [11:37] <Callek> well without any formal education in comp-sci *I* have never heard it before the last month or so with you...
# [11:38] <Callek> just as a point of reference, but it could certainly be due to never encountering it before
# [11:38] <darktrojan> I've never heard it before
# [11:38] <cmr> Nor I
# [11:38] * darktrojan puts it with red-black trees
# [11:39] <@smaug> ok, good
# [11:39] * @smaug calls then his cycle collection optimization technique 'black bit propagation'
# [11:39] <NeilAway> hsivonen: how is NickServ supposed to know it's really you if you don't identify?
# [11:40] <darktrojan> heh
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# [11:40] <@smaug> I had to verify it doesn't mean anything totally different in English
# [11:40] <darktrojan> smaug, a name like that could be perceived as racist :o
# [11:41] <derf> Only by secret racists.
# [11:41] <darktrojan> heh
# [11:47] <hsivonen> what bit colors does the CC have? black? purple? red?
# [11:47] <@smaug> black, gray, white
# [11:47] <hsivonen> NeilAway: I tried to identify and NickServ had forgotten about me
# [11:47] <@smaug> black is certainly alive
# [11:47] <hsivonen> smaug: what's "unmark purple"?
# [11:48] <@smaug> ah, purple
# [11:48] <@smaug> sure, that is before actual CC
# [11:48] <@smaug> purple is where the CC starts
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# [11:48] <hsivonen> ok. so the actual CC is grayscale but before that, it's purple
# [11:49] <@smaug> you have objects which refcount has been decreased, so they are possibly garbage. They go to purple buffer to wait for CC
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# [11:51] <@smaug> 'black bit propagation' asynchronously propagates the black bit to certainly alive objects in the graph (and removes certainly black objects from purple buffer)
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# [11:52] * @smaug hasn't found any good articles about the cycle collection situation we have in Gecko
# [11:52] <@smaug> most of the new stuff is for multithread
# [11:58] <@smaug> hsivonen: so what happens with the DOMContentLoaded testcase
# [11:58] <hsivonen> smaug: you could write your master's thesis about cycle collection and then we'd have good docs for it
# [11:59] <@smaug> :)
# [11:59] <@smaug> hsivonen: so, there is document.close())
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# [12:00] <@smaug> close()
# [12:00] <@smaug> hsivonen: doesn't that cause DOMContentLoaded?
# [12:00] <hsivonen> smaug: that one marks the parser as pending close
# [12:00] <shng> hi
# [12:00] <shng> I want to remove the background of urlbarhere is a thin line over the urlbar and also under it
# [12:00] <shng> <shng> how can I remove it?
# [12:00] <hsivonen> smaug: no, it only flips mDocumentClosed in nsHtml5Parser
# [12:00] <@smaug> hsivonen: ahaa, so \u003cscript>opener.log('Second');\u003c/script> does still end up to the same document
# [12:01] <hsivonen> smaug: yes
# [12:01] <shng> sorry for the mess
# [12:01] <@smaug> (this is about the same strange document.write handling I was wondering last year)
# [12:01] <shng> I want to remove the extra background around urlbar
# [12:01] <shng> how can i do it
# [12:02] <hsivonen> smaug: document.close() doesn't tokenize if the same parser hasn't returned from all its document.write calls yet
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# [12:02] <KaiRo> interesting, we paint bits in a purple buffer either black, gray, or white, then... sounds like a scene from Tron... we know what bits (those annoying floating objects that only say "yes" or "no") look like there, I guess that buffer is a waiting hall then that is painted purple...
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# [12:02] <hsivonen> smaug: however, if the parser doesn't have an unreturned document.write in it, document.close() attempts to tokenize (if the parser isn't blocked)
# [12:02] <@smaug> hsivonen: but it returns right after document.close()
# [12:02] <shng> plz help
# [12:03] <hsivonen> smaug: "right after" doesn't count
# [12:03] <@smaug> hsivonen: so the real document closing happens async?
# [12:03] <hsivonen> smaug: the real EOF processing happens async
# [12:03] <hsivonen> in this case
# [12:03] <@smaug> k
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# [12:04] <@smaug> hsivonen: ok, r+
# [12:04] <hsivonen> smaug: \o/ thank you
# [12:05] <shng> i think the background around urlbar is due to border-width: 1px;
# [12:06] <darktrojan> shng, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XUL_Tutorial/Modifying_the_Default_Skin#Customize_with_userChrome.css
# [12:06] <shng> i know this already :)
# [12:06] <@smaug> hsivonen: have you got any comments about http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2012-January/034293.html ?
# [12:07] <hsivonen> smaug: none :-(
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# [12:07] <KaiRo> we should totally have someone create a WebGL demo or something that tells the story or garbage and cycle collection in a Tron-style way
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# [12:11] <@smaug> in our case the interesting thing is how GC and CC co-operate
# [12:12] <KaiRo> shng: if it's the border-width, then just set it to 0
# [12:12] <hsivonen> does WebKit have a CC that integrates with both JSC and V8?
# [12:12] <@smaug> black bit propagation needs to hop over JS edges
# [12:12] <@smaug> I think WebKit doesn't have CC
# [12:13] <@smaug> they rely on GC
# [12:13] <hsivonen> smaug: GC even for stuff like parent references in the DOM?
# [12:13] <@smaug> no, that is via refcounts
# [12:14] <@smaug> there has been some comments that we should rely on GC only
# [12:14] <cmr> Is there a something somewhere explaining the GC/CC in mozilla?
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# [12:15] <@smaug> I think webkit, well, webkit/v8 does need some hacks to support event listeners, where C++ does actually own JS objects
# [12:15] <@smaug> it would be a lot easier if JS would never be owned by C++
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# [12:17] <@smaug> cmr: well, JS GC is still, I think, traditional mark-and-sweep
# [12:17] * KaiRo would already be happy if we could ensure that both CC and GC never crash - but unfortunately it's in their nature to touch a lot of objects and if someone corrupted some memory (which seems to happen too often) then touching those objects can crash
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# [12:17] <@smaug> cmr: but improvements are coming Bug 641025
# [12:17] <cmr> Oh, alright
# [12:17] <@smaug> KaiRo: is CC really high in crash-stats ?
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# [12:18] <cmr> smaug: thanks
# [12:18] <hsivonen> KaiRo: too often with 3rd-party native code in the process or too often even with just Mozilla native code in the process?
# [12:18] <KaiRo> smaug: it sometimes comes up in my analysis of crashes, which usually only touches things that are reasonably high up
# [12:18] <edmorley> glandium: real/expected? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.tree-management/msK9T9kWOK8
# [12:18] <@smaug> cmr: For CC, read the first part of Concurrent Cycle Collection in Reference Counted Systems, Bacon & Rajan (2001), ECOOP 2001 / Springer LNCS vol 2072
# [12:19] <KaiRo> hsivonen: we never have only our native code in the process, esp. on Windows
# [12:19] <glandium> edmorley: already answered to that
# [12:19] <glandium> edmorley: it's even in the link you gave
# [12:20] <@smaug> cmr: or read http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/base/nsCycleCollector.cpp#40
# [12:20] <edmorley> glandium: ah page had been open for 45 mins
# [12:20] <KaiRo> hsivonen: still, it may very well be somewhere in our code that we corrupt memory - we just have no clue where that could be
# [12:21] <edmorley> glandium: and yeah of course native only
# [12:21] <hsivonen> KaiRo: why don't we see that on Linux, too, then?
# [12:21] <KaiRo> hsivonen: who says that we don't?
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# [12:22] <KaiRo> hsivonen: it's just that Linux is neglegible in both crash volume and user numbers
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# [12:24] <hsivonen> KaiRo: do we see CC crashes on Linux?
# [12:26] <KaiRo> hsivonen: no idea, as we don't look into Linux-specific crashes at all (we don't have per-OS topcrash lists atm) unless they get really high
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# [12:28] <glandium> KaiRo: seriously, this is sad
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# [12:28] <KaiRo> hsivonen: we seem to have a few, but not many - https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?product=Firefox&version=ALL%3AALL&platform=linux&range_value=1&range_unit=weeks&date=01%2F20%2F2012+03%3A21%3A12&query_search=signature&query_type=contains&query=cycle&reason=&build_id=&process_type=any&hang_type=any&do_query=1
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# [12:30] <@smaug> KaiRo: why those reports don't have links to source code?
# [12:30] <@smaug> oh, oops
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# [12:30] <KaiRo> glandium: we will get per-OS topcrash lists at some point - I'm on Linux myself and I don't find it too sad because I've not even seen disturbing things that looked Linux-only more than one or two times last year, but I'm seeing disturbing stuff on Windows all the time and on Mac often enough
# [12:30] <@smaug> KaiRo: version 3.6.x
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# [12:31] <@smaug> I was looking at nsGenericElement::cycleCollection::Traverse
# [12:31] <@smaug> same with nsJSArgArray::cycleCollection::UnmarkPurple
# [12:31] <KaiRo> smaug: actually, I'm not quite sure why, may be a bug
# [12:32] <KaiRo> smaug: but we shouldn't go too deep on 3.6 stuff anyhow
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# [12:32] <@smaug> KaiRo: could you create a query where version is, hmm, >= 8
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# [12:32] <@smaug> I don't care 3.6.x
# [12:32] <@smaug> since I don't expect us to fix any CC issues there
# [12:33] <KaiRo> smaug: well, you can explicitely select version, even multiple, in that search form
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# [12:33] * KaiRo justr did "All" for a fast glimpse "if there are any"
# [12:33] <KaiRo> I also just dumbly searched for "cycle" in the crash signature ;-)
# [12:35] <KaiRo> smaug: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?product=Firefox&version=Firefox%3A9.0b6&version=Firefox%3A9.0b5&version=Firefox%3A9.0b4&version=Firefox%3A9.0b3&version=Firefox%3A9.0.1&version=Firefox%3A9.0&version=Firefox%3A8.0.1&version=Firefox%3A8.0&version=Firefox%3A7.0.1&version=Firefox%3A12.0a1&version=Firefox%3A11.0a2&version=Firefox%3A10.0b5&version=Firefox%3A10.0b4&version=Firefox%3A10.0b3&version=Firefox%3A10.0b2&version
# [12:35] <KaiRo> =Firefox%3A10.0b1&platform=linux&range_value=4&range_unit=weeks&date=01%2F20%2F2012+03%3A21%3A12&query_search=signature&query_type=contains&query=cycle&reason=&build_id=&process_type=any&hang_type=any&do_query=1
# [12:35] <KaiRo> oops, needs to be in one line, it gets longs with all those versions selected explicitely
# [12:36] <@smaug> KaiRo: tinyurl, perhaps?
# [12:36] <hsivonen> KaiRo: ok. interesting
# [12:37] <KaiRo> smaug: didn't want to go there right now, have never needed to use that obfuscating service
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# [12:38] <@smaug> k
# [12:39] <@smaug> KaiRo: really annoying to not have the links to source code
# [12:39] <@smaug> makes c-s stacks pretty useless :(
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# [12:41] <edmorley> hsivonen: sorry to bear bad news, but looks like msvc not playing ball for your inbound push
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# [12:42] <KaiRo> smaug: please file a bug against the Socorro product with pointers to crash reports that are missing links - we should look into that
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# [12:44] <hsivonen> edmorley: looking
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# [12:45] <KaiRo> smaug: and of course we are missing them for IDL-generated .h files like in https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bcc2b997-420d-409a-928a-a9d6f2120108 which has the other frames linked
# [12:45] <hsivonen> edmorley: it's calling convention changes again. :-( Should be trivial to fix.
# [12:45] <@smaug> KaiRo: I don't get any links
# [12:46] <@smaug> hsivonen: so, in DOMParser patch how are those HTMLSink methods related to it ?
# [12:47] <hsivonen> smaug: they read a field in nsContentSink that I changed
# [12:47] <@smaug> ahaa
# [12:48] <@smaug> ok, looking the patch again
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# [12:48] <hsivonen> smaug: can I get an r+ for this Windows bustage fix? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1456360
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# [12:49] <hsivonen> I need to learn to remember to use that NS_METHOD cruft
# [12:49] <@smaug> r+
# [12:49] <hsivonen> smaug: thanks
# [12:49] <@smaug> hsivonen: do you need similar also elsewhere ?
# [12:50] <KaiRo> smaug: I looked into a few reports and saw that some have links - in those that don't I saw "Release Channel: unknown" which might mean those could be builds from a Linux distro (just guessing, but our builds should have a correct channel set) and we might be missing correct source references because of that somehow - but it's really best to have a bug filed, a couple of those crash report URLs put in there and the team look at what
# [12:50] <KaiRo> 's up
# [12:50] <@smaug> KaiRo: ah, right
# [12:50] <@smaug> makes sense
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# [12:50] <hsivonen> smaug: not that I can tell unless virtual destructors are calling convention-sensitive
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# [12:53] <@smaug> hsivonen: "XXX why do we set these again"
# [12:53] <@smaug> do you refer to url and principal
# [12:54] <@smaug> the point is that different principal is set at that point
# [12:54] <hsivonen> smaug: oh
# [12:54] <hsivonen> smaug: ok. I can remove the XXX then
# [12:54] <hsivonen> we also need a follow-up bug for making the URL null as in IE and Chrome, but that isn't HTML-related
# [12:56] <@smaug> hsivonen: it is possible that I've filed such bug already
# [12:56] <hsivonen> smaug: cool
# [12:56] <@smaug> at least I've been thinking about that, long ago
# [12:56] <gaston> i have a strange issue on OpenBSD with libnotify use in mozilla which happens only on certain archs (ie macppc/sparc64 so far, not i386/amd64)
# [12:56] <gaston> include/libnotify/notification.h:87: error: comma at end of enumerator list
# [12:57] <gaston> does it ring a bell to anyone ?
# [12:57] <NeilAway> hsivonen: my comment was in response to "it doesn't make sense no expire my nick in 60 days if my IRC client is connected all the time" - I find it hard to believe that you actually had a 60 day old TCP connection
# [12:57] <hsivonen> NeilAway: what's hard to believe about it?
# [12:57] <gaston> it's the same compiler config on each arch, so i don't see what could be different
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# [12:58] <@smaug> hsivonen: you use some different connection than before. You used to connect from hut.fi ?
# [12:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6af8c11d727a - Serge Gautherie - Bug 718239. (Bv1a) accessible/tests/mochitest/events.js: Use Services.jsm. r=surkov.alexander.
# [12:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/30b1cb696452 - Jon Buckley - Bug 716397. Fix mozglue package warning on Linux. f=sgautherie r=khuey.
# [12:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/eb0fb073ac35 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 718237. (Av1) accessible/tests/mochitest/*: Support "SeaMonkey searchbar" too, Remove 1 useless "browser.css" use. r=surkov.alexander.
# [12:59] <hsivonen> smaug: I'm connecting from validator.nu these days
# [12:59] <@smaug> mediateam.fi
# [12:59] <hsivonen> smaug: but I was connecting from validator.nu even before today's irssi kill
# [12:59] <hsivonen> smaug: that's the company that hosts validator.nu
# [12:59] <@smaug> ah
# [12:59] <hsivonen> reverse DNS points to their name
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# [13:08] <gaston> the diff i'm seeing between failing and not failing is the use of -fvisibility=hidden (in the failing case) vs -I../../../dist/stl_wrappers -I../../../dist/system_wrappers -include gcc_hidden.h (in the ok case)
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# [13:14] <glandium> gaston: do you build with -Werror ?
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# [13:15] <glandium> gaston: because that error is usually a warning
# [13:15] <gaston> the defaults
# [13:15] <gaston> -Werror=return-type
# [13:16] <glandium> gaston: and it's a warning when the header is not considered a system header, and system-wrappers do use a pragma to indicate system headers
# [13:16] <gaston> in the 'not failing' case i don't even have a warning
# [13:16] <gaston> aha
# [13:16] <gaston> that might be the reason
# [13:16] <glandium> gaston: but it should be a warning, not an error
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# [13:17] <gaston> -pedantic -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wcast-align -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wno-variadic-macros -Werror=return-type -Wno-long-long
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# [13:17] <gaston> that's what i have for both cases
# [13:17] <glandium> gaston: what's your gcc version? 4.4? 4.6 would tell you what flag is responsible
# [13:17] <gaston> 4.2.1
# [13:18] <gaston> (last gplv2, etc..)
# [13:18] <glandium> haha
# [13:19] <glandium> you should try to switch to clang quickly
# [13:19] <gaston> not my war
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# [13:21] <glandium> it will become when m-c doesn't build on older versions of gcc anymore
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# [13:22] <gaston> i don't see why it should stop working with olders gcc4... unless very good reasons :(
# [13:22] * hsivonen wonders if Ubuntu has plans to ship clang
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# [13:24] <glandium> gaston: because we may start to use some c++11 features
# [13:25] <gaston> ugh
# [13:25] <glandium> not right away, but it's bound to happen some day
# [13:26] <glandium> and well, it's kind of your own problem that you're stuck with an ancient compiler.
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# [13:26] <gaston> as if i didn't have enough hurdles on my way
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# [13:51] <reuben> gaston, why is GPLv3 a problem?
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# [13:56] * NeilAway likes the way non-git diffs remind you of the revision that you were on
# [13:58] <@smaug> NeilAway: non-git hg diffs ?
# [13:58] <@smaug> hmm, I do have git = 1 in .hgrc
# [13:58] <@smaug> but I don't know why
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# [14:06] <@smaug> jwatt: what is the best tool to create some rather simple SVG graphs
# [14:06] <jwatt> smaug: notepad
# [14:06] <jwatt> *cough*
# [14:06] <@smaug> I'd like to have some circles connected with lines (arrows)
# [14:07] <@smaug> and then have some animation to change the color of those lines
# [14:07] <@smaug> jwatt: I would certainly use notepad if I was using Windows :)
# [14:08] <@smaug> perhaps I could use dot
# [14:08] <@smaug> to create the initial picture
# [14:08] <NeilAway> smaug: well, git = 1 handles metadata changes too
# [14:08] <jwatt> smaug: I'm thinking the online editor https://code.google.com/p/svg-edit/ - but give me a sec to find an actual online version
# [14:09] <NeilAway> jwatt: KaiRo got really upset when I created some "better" SVG media-type icons in Notepad than he did in Inkscape ;-)
# [14:09] <jwatt> smaug: the animation you'll probably have to add by hand after you've created the SVG
# [14:09] <jwatt> NeilAway: hehe
# [14:10] <jwatt> Inkscape is good, but the source code it creates is a bit of a mess, making it less than ideal for adding script/animation to
# [14:10] <jwatt> there are some lint tools you can clean it up with first though
# [14:11] <jwatt> smaug: ah, yes, the link on the front page of that svg-edit page: https://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.5.1/editor/svg-editor.html
# [14:11] <jwatt> try that?
# [14:11] <@smaug> thanks
# [14:11] <jwatt> smaug: let me know if it doesn't work well for you
# [14:11] <NeilAway> jwatt: yeah, it was the messy source that I didn't like - e.g. circles drawn using lines
# [14:12] <jwatt> NeilAway: yeah
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# [14:12] <jwatt> hmm, that version of svg-edit is really slow in ff9 - will need to look into that
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# [14:13] <@smaug> jwatt: works fine on Nightly / linux
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# [14:27] <jorendorff> oh no
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# [14:29] <nigelb> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/01/microsoft-pimps-it-old-school-with-a-pricey-text-adventure-game.ars
# [14:30] <nigelb> Interesting and probably relevant :)
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# [14:31] <reuben> awh
# [14:31] <reuben> I thought all versions were going free
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# [14:45] <hsivonen> fun. we have nsHTMLFormatConverter::ConvertFromHTMLToAOLMail
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# [14:57] <espindola> could anyone else review 714960?
# [14:57] <espindola> I really need to get that fixed one day
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# [14:59] <espindola> zpao|detached, maybe you could?
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# [15:06] <KaiRo> ugh, we disabled WebGL on the Tegra2 used in the ASUS tablets we got from Mozilla? :(
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# [15:08] <Callek> (where ^^ is kairo's message not the review)
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# [15:10] <gcp> KaiRo: yeah, due to gralloc crashes afaik
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# [15:12] <hsivonen> what do I need to do to make nsString work from a TestHarness.h-based test?
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# [15:14] <Callek> hsivonen: https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Mozilla_external_string_guide iirc
# [15:14] <KaiRo> gcp: ouch... from all I've seen in crash reports, I wonder if doing gralloc for the 1337 few phones and having a worse experience everywhere else is really that much of a win :(
# [15:15] <hsivonen> Callek: #include "nsStringAPI.h" didn't work
# [15:15] <KaiRo> there's a big load of tegra2 systems out there
# [15:15] <Pike> string api doesn't do the standard nsString, IIRC
# [15:16] <hsivonen> Pike: #include "nsString.h" didn't work, either
# [15:16] <Callek> hsivonen: ok, lets back up, have an existing diff?
# [15:16] <hsivonen> looks like nsContentUtils.h contains something that TestHarness.h-based tests don't like
# [15:17] <Callek> hsivonen: ooo wait, are you trying to load nsContentUtils.h from an externally linked code?
# [15:17] <hsivonen> Callek: I guess that's what I'm doing
# [15:18] <hsivonen> so I can't test doCOMtaminated stuff from TestHarness.h-based tests?
# [15:18] <Callek> hsivonen: looking at it, it looks like its playing at being internal-only: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/content/base/public/nsContentUtils.h#65
# [15:19] <gcp> KaiRo: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670930
# [15:19] <hsivonen> Callek: is comm-central code under mailnews/ allowed to call nsContentUtils?
# [15:19] <Callek> hsivonen: I'm no expert, but I am pretty sure you can't do much of the internal-only stuff from externally linked c/cpp
# [15:20] <Callek> hsivonen: yes
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# [15:20] <hsivonen> Callek: whew. good
# [15:20] <Callek> hsivonen: well, rather "I think"
# [15:20] <Callek> hsivonen: we by-default build internal to libXUL, but iirc NeilAway has been working hard to make externally linkable an option again
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# [15:21] <Callek> hsivonen: enough so that my patch to do mozilla::services in mailnews/ needed me to get a patch passed to expose it to externally callers ;-)
# [15:21] <NeilAway> Callek: well, jhorak did most of the work
# [15:22] <Callek> NeilAway: well sure, but you've been working to ensure we don't regress it, I think :-)
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# [15:22] * Callek is not really fond of that solution, but O well :-)
# [15:22] <hsivonen> Callek: :-(
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# [15:23] <Callek> hsivonen: which bug is this for, and/or why would we need nsContentUtils.h in mailnews?
# [15:23] <hsivonen> Callek: I'm converting HTML to plain text code to use the new HTML parser
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# [15:23] <hsivonen> Callek: and the entry point I now have is a static method on nsContentUtils
# [15:24] <Callek> hsivonen: and to be clear, old parser hooks have externally linkable code, but new ones don't?
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# [15:24] <hsivonen> Callek: the old stuff was very COMtaminated, yes
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# [15:24] <Callek> well COMtaminated !== externally linkable :-)
# [15:25] <Callek> neither does its inverse hold. :-)
# [15:25] <hsivonen> don't Thunderbird and SeaMonkey always ship their own Gecko? what's the use of not treating mailnews/ as internal?
# [15:26] <Callek> hsivonen: and yea, as a point of reference, nsContentUtils is not used anywhere in mailnews/ yet http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/search?string=nsContentUtils.h&find=mailnews
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# [15:29] <Callek> hsivonen: soo our problem is that: |http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/content/base/public/nsContentUtils.h#463| is where we have to grab the parser Service ?
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# [15:30] <hsivonen> Callek: no, this new code has nothing to do with nsIParserService
# [15:30] <hsivonen> nsIParserService will be removed down the road
# [15:30] <Callek> hsivonen: ooo, got a WIP patch to pastebin I can peek at, or an already-in-code pointer I can peek at
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# [15:32] <hsivonen> Callek: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1456429
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# [15:34] <Callek> hsivonen: is this |ConvertToPlainText| intended to be used from m-c itself anywhere?
# [15:34] <hsivonen> Callek: in the two places where the patch uses it
# [15:34] <Callek> (I'm still skimming the patch, fwiw)
# [15:34] <KaiRo> gcp: thx, I know gralloc is nice and all - but it's sad that the effect of this is not supporting WebGL on Mozilla's own tablets (and the TF101 isn't really an out-of-the-ordinary product). I guess right now we just don't really care about tablets at all, though (not ranting, just stating how things look for me)
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# [15:35] <gcp> there's no point in directing this at me, I know nothing about this. For all I know this is fixed tomorrow.
# [15:36] <Callek> hsivonen: hrm....
# [15:36] <KaiRo> even though it sounds ironic that this bug starts with "on Honeycomb we can do this" and we end up disabling stuff that worked on our own Haoneycomb tablets because of this
# [15:36] <gcp> I just vaguely remember something from the mobile meeting and dig a bit in inbound.
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# [15:36] <gcp> if you want to know more about it, ask Cwiis or pcwalton
# [15:36] <KaiRo> well, I just have to live with not showing off WebGL to anyone
# [15:37] <Callek> bah gtg for a bit, back soon
# [15:37] <hsivonen> Callek: ok.
# [15:37] <Callek> hsivonen: looks like there is no good solution other than to use ContentUtils :(
# [15:37] <KaiRo> and not testing WebGL on Android either
# [15:37] <Callek> at least not from my quick glance
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# [15:37] <hsivonen> Callek: I could expose the whole thing (with aFlags and aColWrap) via nsScriptableUnescapeHTML
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# [15:37] <Callek> hsivonen: and since c-c CAN use that, in the default and supported build config, my personal opinion is to use that and let others deal with it if needed ;-)
# [15:37] <hsivonen> Callek: since nsScriptableUnescapeHTML is by design exposed
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# [15:37] <Callek> but I'm not a reviewer there
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# [15:38] <gcp> actually, given the assignee of the bug, you can ask snorp too
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# [15:38] <hsivonen> Callek: well, I can't land this on m-c without burning c-c
# [15:38] <hsivonen> so I expect I will have to patch c-c
# [15:38] <snorp> WHAT
# [15:38] <gcp> snorp: KaiRo wonders why WebGL doesn't work on Tegra2
# [15:38] <snorp> it doesn't work at all?
# [15:38] <snorp> it should work, just slow
# [15:39] <snorp> if it doesn't work at all, blame bjacob
# [15:39] <snorp> (it's what I do)
# [15:39] * hsivonen hopes there's a plan for fast WebGL
# [15:39] <snorp> hsivonen: there is :)
# [15:39] <snorp> but maybe only on ICS devices
# [15:39] <snorp> we'll see
# [15:39] <hsivonen> snorp: ok
# [15:40] <snorp> hsivonen: the reason it's slow right now is we use glReadPixels() to readback each frame :(
# [15:40] <snorp> ans then that gets composited with software, etc
# [15:40] <snorp> it is ass.
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# [15:40] <hsivonen> snorp: yeah, it will need to work without readbacks
# [15:40] <snorp> hsivonen: yeah.
# [15:41] <snorp> I think it might have to wait until we have off-main-thread compositing
# [15:41] <snorp> which I've heard is really coming along, so woooo
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# [15:44] <Callek> hsivonen: I meant my personal opinion was to use nsContentUtils.h in c-c and let "others" deal with adjusting things to use something else if needed
# [15:44] <Callek> :-)
# [15:44] <Callek> hsivonen: but as I said, I'm not a reviewer there, so my opinion is not the final say
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# [15:46] <hsivonen> Callek: ok
# [15:46] <hsivonen> thanks
# [15:46] <Callek> np
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# [15:54] <Yoric> There's some code I do not understand in nsSearchService.js
# [15:54] <Yoric> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1456440
# [15:54] <Yoric> Or, more to the point, I think I understand it, but I have no clue what it's for.
# [15:55] <Yoric> Any idea?
# [15:55] <Yoric> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/search/nsSearchService.js?blame=1#209
# [15:55] <ttaubert> you could remove that and just use Services.obs
# [15:56] <Yoric> I certainly could.
# [15:57] <Yoric> But I don't understand why someone decoded to delete |this.gObsSvc|.
# [15:57] <Yoric> Or not checking whether it was already defined.
# [15:57] <ttaubert> ah
# [15:57] <ttaubert> no that removes the getter
# [15:57] <ttaubert> and replaces it with a value
# [15:57] <Yoric> Ah, got it.
# [15:57] <ttaubert> so it's a lazy getter
# [15:57] <Yoric> It's what we now call defineLazyGetter in XPCOMUtils, is that it?
# [15:58] <ttaubert> that does the same, yes
# [15:58] <Yoric> Thanks.
# [15:58] <ttaubert> it's just wrapped in a nice function ;)
# [15:58] <Yoric> :)
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# [16:13] <Yoric> reed: ping
# [16:14] <Yoric> !seen reed
# [16:14] <firebot> reed was last seen 3 days, 18 hours, 5 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying 'XioNoX: hi' in #interns.
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# [16:25] <Yoric> Ok, first test of asynchronous search service, v3.
# [16:27] <Archaeopteryx> btw, is copy to clipboard async?
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# [16:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/49936b49aff3 - Dão Gottwald - No bug - fix some browser chrome tests that pollute the global scope
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# [16:36] <Yoric> Archaeopteryx: no idea.
# [16:36] <davidb> ted: ^
# [16:36] <Yoric> I am not in "full steam ahead, let's make everything async" mode yet.
# [16:36] <Yoric> Other people are, of course.
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# [16:37] <Archaeopteryx> was more because of a bug (pressing ctrl+c in the location bar and clicking immediately into the taskbar prevents the copying to happen)
# [16:37] <ted> davidb: why are you pinging me?
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# [16:37] <davidb> ted: oh i thought tbpl told me you were sheriff
# [16:38] <ted> it apparently did
# [16:38] <ted> but i haven't actively sheriffed in forever :)
# [16:38] <davidb> me neither
# [16:38] <ted> i think the sheriff program has sort of fallen by the wayside
# [16:38] <davidb> yeah
# [16:38] <ted> and there's a separate set of people managing inbound
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# [16:38] <davidb> who?
# [16:38] <ted> mak, edmorley, philor, among them
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# [16:38] <ted> probably others i'm forgetting
# [16:38] <davidb> hi philikon
# [16:38] <davidb> oops
# [16:38] <davidb> hi philor
# [16:38] <mak> I pinged bhackett
# [16:38] <davidb> mak: ok thanks
# [16:38] <mak> he will backout
# [16:39] <mak> yw!
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# [16:44] <nigelb> Isn't there a wiki page for Rapid release? explaining why we switched to it?
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# [16:47] <philor> lurking: if you click on the letter, one of the things it will tell you down at the bottom is the slave name
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# [16:48] <philor> and in this case, it'll tell you the same name
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# [16:48] * lurking didn't dig very deep on that one -
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# [17:02] <@bz> anyone at the Paris office?
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# [17:09] <protz> mounir: vingtetun ^^
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# [17:31] <ochameau> protz: actually, mounir and vingetun are in tunisia :p
# [17:32] <ochameau> gabor: I'm at home on friday
# [17:32] <protz> huh
# [17:32] <protz> these guys are slackers
# [17:32] * mrbkap is here.
# [17:32] <protz> no wonder firefox still has bug [insert your favorite bug number here]
# [17:32] <ochameau> in case someone want to reach paris office, the easiest way would be to go to #lagaule (it is french speaking channel, but all paris employee are there)
# [17:32] <protz> thank god mrbkap is here to save the project
# [17:33] <mrbkap> protz: you must be referring to bug 18574
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# [17:35] <gabor> mrbkap: did you get my email about my planned trip to Paris?
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# [17:35] <mrbkap> gabor: uh
# [17:36] <mrbkap> gabor: yes.
# [17:36] <mrbkap> gabor: I don't suppose you know when fosdem is.
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# [17:38] <protz> mrbkap: urgh, is that the bug with the biggest number of comments ?
# [17:38] <gabor> mrbkap: nope... but I can change the date +- a week or even can be a month later if it's in the same time with it
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# [17:42] <mrbkap> gabor: I think the end of the week would work, but I'm not sure yet.
# [17:43] <gabor> mrbkap: alright then I dont book anything yet then, let's get back to this some time later.
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# [17:45] <jorendorff> is anything like the global scope polluter in HTML5?
# [17:45] <ochameau> mrbkap: FOSDEM is 4-5th february
# [17:46] * jorendorff sees 6.2.4
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# [17:48] <@smaug> erm
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# [17:48] <@smaug> is the tree broken
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# [17:48] <@smaug> undefined reference to `PORT_...
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# [17:52] <bent> KaiRo, if it's on windows then you can't trust the 'nsDocLoader' part
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# [17:52] <bent> could be any kind of object double-releasing
# [17:52] <@smaug> KaiRo: any crash id ?
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# [17:53] <KaiRo> smaug: bug 718993, bug 719361, bug 718991 have examples
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# [17:55] <KaiRo> bent: ugh, yes, I see we see those with all kinds of stuff in the <>
# [17:55] <jwatt> has anyone heard of 'make -f client.mk clean' behaving badly on recent m-c?
# [17:55] <@smaug> we support clean ?
# [17:56] <jwatt> smaug: I don't know
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# [17:56] <jwatt> we have a target for it
# [17:56] <KaiRo> smaug, jwatt: we theroetically support clean, but it's not well-maintained - the best way usually is to wipe your objdir
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# [17:57] <jwatt> someone I'm helping tried to use clean and had problems
# [17:58] <@smaug> KaiRo: hmm, those crashes have always some GC happening
# [17:59] <KaiRo> smaug: hmm, a new class of GC crashes or just new signatures for them, I guess that's the question then
# [18:01] <@smaug> KaiRo: and the problem could still be elsewhere :/
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# [18:04] <KaiRo> smaug: I'm just worried because the combined volume of https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?product=Firefox&version=Firefox%3A12.0a1&range_value=1&range_unit=weeks&date=01%2F20%2F2012+08%3A56%3A59&query_search=signature&query_type=contains&query=%3A%3A~nsRefPtr&reason=&build_id=&process_type=any&hang_type=any&do_query=1 is not too good for trunk and they all look similar
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# [18:08] <@smaug> KaiRo: yeah, that looks bad
# [18:08] <@smaug> I wonder if https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718993#c1 is the right regression range
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# [18:09] <@smaug> hmm, all windows
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# [18:19] <Ms2ger> jorendorff, you found the global scope polluter?
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# [18:19] <jorendorff> …well not really
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# [18:20] <Ms2ger> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/browsers.html#named-access-on-the-window-object and http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/#getownproperty
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# [18:22] <jorendorff> so it seems the window object must be magical, it can't inherit these properties from some object on the prototype chain
# [18:22] <jorendorff> our implementation is not to spec.
# [18:22] <jorendorff> or so it seems.
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# [18:23] <Ms2ger> No implementation is to spec
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# [19:10] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, yt?
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# [19:14] <Ms2ger> (Or anyone else who knows about mozilla::Module
# [19:14] <Ms2ger> )
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# [19:14] <Mossop> I know a little I guess
# [19:15] <Ms2ger> Do you know if it's guaranteed that loadProc is called once, and if so, is http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/parser/htmlparser/src/nsParserModule.cpp#105 just daft?
# [19:15] * Ms2ger wouldn't be surprised by "just daft"
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# [19:16] <nemo> so. I'm trying to fix a system where a windows user was tricked into installing rogue antispyware which installed a bunch of trojan stuff on the system
# [19:17] <Ms2ger> $ format C:
# [19:17] <nemo> I deleted all the extra firefox extensions, erased and reinstalled firefox, removed every last trace of the exes I could find after having run av outside of windows...
# [19:17] <nemo> Ms2ger: yeah. trying to avoid that.
# [19:17] <nemo> ran regedit outside of windows to delete any of the reg entries I could find...
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# [19:18] <nemo> Anyway. The vaguely mozilla related mystery is that mozilla crashes on startup (have .dmp/log from drwatson) - I assumed it was due to injected code from the infection
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# [19:18] <nemo> The strange thing is that I replaced all the system DLLs that Mozilla calls, and it still crashes...
# [19:19] <wg9s> nemo: Is this an official build or one you built yourself?
# [19:19] <nemo> official 9.0.1
# [19:19] <wg9s> OK nevermind then.
# [19:20] <nemo> hm. I didn't replace COMCTL32.dll or MSVCR80.dll or MSVCP80.dll...
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# [19:20] <nemo> RtlDosApplyFileIsolationRedirection_Ustr
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# [19:21] <wg9s> nemo: the release version should include the versions of those it needs in the directory where the application lives so that should not be an issue.
# [19:22] <wg9s> either as sepcific DLL files or included in a mozxxxxx.dll file.
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# [19:22] <nemo> yeah, but I assumed the rogue software had compromised a system dll
# [19:23] <nemo> couldn't think of what else could be causing crashes
# [19:23] <wg9s> nemo: are you 100% sure there was rogue software, or is that just a guess?
# [19:24] <nemo> wg9s: well. the problems are linked in time. and no install of Firefox seems to work...
# [19:24] <bent> anyone know if sheppy is on vacation or something?
# [19:24] <nemo> can't think of what else could cause firefox to suddenly stopp running on a windows machine
# [19:24] <wg9s> nemo: then i would see if there is a system resotre point from back when things were working still available and restore to that.
# [19:25] <nemo> stack trace says LoadLibrary, LdrLoadDll, MultiAppendUnicodeStringBuffer, RtlDosApplyFileIsolationRedirection_Ustr
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# [19:25] <nemo> wg9s: the only restore point available also had the evil software in it
# [19:25] <nemo> so. crashing in loading a dll?
# [19:25] <wg9s> ah so the evil software deleted the old restore points wonderful.
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# [19:26] <nemo> wg9s: or there was just one restore point due to this being a netbook and short on space
# [19:26] <nemo> anyway. reason I asked here, is I was wondering, apart from deleted Software/Mozilla
# [19:26] <wg9s> you might find more help for this type of issue on the #firefox channel.
# [19:27] <nemo> is there anywhere else firefox could be forcing an extension to be loaded
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# [19:27] <nemo> I also deleted references to extensions in the user profiles, but it fails to even run firefox -no-remote -P
# [19:27] <nemo> wg9s: yeah. this was just more in general, where does firefox look for stuff in the registry
# [19:27] <nemo> hmmm.
# [19:27] <nemo> maybe I could use regmon
# [19:28] <nemo> windows is not really my element, feel more comfortable on linux systems :-/
# [19:28] <wg9s> you could use mxr.mozilla.org to search the codebase.
# [19:28] <wg9s> you want to search mozilla-central.
# [19:28] <nemo> true, true, just thought IRC might have a suggestion :)
# [19:28] <Callek> fabrice: sure (this will happen soon) but we need to either do all or nothing, either we package it, or we shouldn't build it
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# [19:28] <Callek> fabrice: the idea being that people do FREQUENTLY run their local builds without packaging them first
# [19:28] <Callek> ;-)
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# [19:29] <Callek> and why we're trying to get into a situation where missing files in package-manifest (and files that are in the dist/bin but not there itself) to be considered an error
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# [19:30] <fabrice> Callek: sure, I understand
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# [19:31] <joe> bbondy: I don't have a Mozilla maintenance service
# [19:31] <wg9s> Callek: Well under windows at least, this usually results in the installer builds not working correctly.
# [19:31] <joe> bbondy: is that something to be concerned about?
# [19:31] <bbondy> joe: just on a 1:1 will ping you in a few minutes
# [19:31] <wg9s> Although the ZIP builds (which we don't release) run just fine.
# [19:31] <Callek> wg9s: not sure that you're helping there (as in, NO idea whatsoever what you're trying to tell me)
# [19:31] <joe> kk
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# [19:32] <wg9s> You asked why having things missing form the mainifest was a real issue (or at least that is what I thought you asked)
# [19:32] <Callek> wg9s: I wasn't asking, was stating, fwiw
# [19:32] <wg9s> OK soory
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# [19:33] <Callek> wg9s: I was saying to someone, who wrote a patch to remove things from the installer/packaging, but who was not actually stoping us from building it
# [19:33] <wg9s> OIC
# [19:33] <Callek> Bug 717975 fwiw
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# [19:35] <bholley> jorendorff, bsmedberg: So what's your read on the binary components thread? Should we proceed on this?
# [19:35] <jorendorff> which "this"
# [19:36] <jorendorff> i think bsmedberg proposed a thing that takes IDL and produces C++ glue code (on top of the NPAPI)
# [19:36] <jorendorff> I think that is what we want
# [19:36] <Mook_as> umm, NPAPI needs a window, doesn't it?
# [19:36] <jorendorff> or rather, what those developers want
# [19:36] <bholley> jorendorff: really? I think they want to just use XPCOM and have it not be broken
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# [19:36] <bholley> jorendorff: bsmedberg's proposal was never raised on the thread AFAICT
# [19:37] <@smaug> ewong|afk: ping
# [19:37] <jorendorff> bholley: i didn't follow the discussions about freezing certain binary interfaces
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# [19:38] <bholley> jorendorff: it sounds like there's not too much harm in pseudo-freezing nsISupports
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# [19:38] <bholley> jorendorff: and that's all this proposal is really about. That and ceasing to rev kVersion in an incompatible way
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# [19:38] <jorendorff> bholley: ok, so the only reason to do the NPAPI thing is to make it really clear that talking XPCOM is not what you want to be doing
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# [19:38] <wg9s> I like the idea of figuring out which things really need to be frozen and keep it to the bare minimum and then if we really need to change them for some odd reason, rename them and have a warpper API call with the old name.
# [19:38] <wg9s> but that is just me.
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# [19:39] <bholley> wg9s: that happened before. it didn't work
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# [19:39] <bholley> jorendorff: I think we can reasonably accomplish that goal by just moving the headers around in the SDK
# [19:39] <jorendorff> bholley: in any case, you said that we need to do a better job telling people not to call into gecko interfaces "from C++ to C++"
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# [19:39] <wg9s> bholley: but it could if the number of frozen calls was really kept very small.
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# [19:40] <jorendorff> bholley: i think that is the most important insight -- and i think we *should* move headers around in the SDK
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# [19:40] <bholley> wg9s: how small is very small? If they're reaching into gecko, there's a creep of interfaces they need. If they're not, there's nothing they need
# [19:40] <wg9s> just to things that there was some real reason that the extension could not just do via JavaScript and tell the C code what to do.
# [19:40] <bholley> wg9s: like what?
# [19:41] <wg9s> I have no idea what is really required.
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# [19:41] <jorendorff> bholley: bsmedberg can tell you what to do
# [19:41] <wg9s> I have written zero extensions that are not all js xul css etc.
# [19:41] * Mook_as doubts moving files around, or even not shipping them, will help
# [19:41] <Mook_as> given things like https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Code_snippets/Finding_Window_Handles#Yet_Another_way_to_find_a_window_handle_(parent_window_handle) :)
# [19:41] <Mook_as> (well, assuming you could read it somehow...)
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# [19:42] <wg9s> which is odd becuase I am mostly a C programmer and am not comfortable at all in js XUL etc.
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# [19:42] <bholley> Mook_as: well, but we can feel better about breaking them
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# [19:42] <Mook_as> bholley: that doesn't actually solve the problem, though; you just get back to the same problems again.
# [19:42] <bholley> wg9s: the thing is, we don't want them to be using gecko stuff. We just want to let them use XPConnect to communicate between their own JS code and their own C++ code. and nsISupports is all they need for that
# [19:42] <Mook_as> ("feeling better about breaking them" != "stop people from crashing")
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# [19:43] <bholley> Mook_as: well, the problem it will solve is the unhappiness from developers who are being forced to move to js-ctypes when they don't actually need to
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# [19:43] <bholley> Mook_as: there's a lot of pain from various different angles surrounding this issue. This proposal is designed to solve some of the cases, not all of them
# [19:43] <Mook_as> bholley: true. but so will not changing anything and just dropping the kVersion check...
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# [19:44] <wg9s> bholley: yes but if the way xpconnect works changes then that is way i thouhght rename it and wrap it would work for that.
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# [19:44] <bholley> Mook_as: but then we have a less explicit contract of what will work and what won't
# [19:44] <wg9s> That is all I was trying to say.
# [19:44] <bholley> wg9s: there's no way we're shipping two versions of xpconnect
# [19:45] <Ms2ger> Sure is
# [19:45] <bholley> wg9s: I'm guessing you're referring to shipping two nsISupports
# [19:45] <Ms2ger> We just call one of them "DOM bindings"
# [19:45] <bholley> Ms2ger: har har
# [19:45] <Ms2ger> bholley, :)
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# [19:45] <bholley> wg9s: which could have value, but I think we'll change it infrequently enough that we should give ourselves the flexibility of asking addon authors to recompile
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# [19:46] <wg9s> No just saying if sometime in the future if for some unforseen reason we need to redothe way xpconnect works that is the only thing that needs ot be an issue either at thatpoint break the binary incompatibility or figure out a way to provide a backward compatible interface only for old stuff.
# [19:47] <wg9s> but I suppose that would never work. People would jsut write new things to work the old way. a dumb idea
# [19:47] <wg9s> btw i have no idea what could possibly require such a thing to happen. just trying to think of future contingencies. I think this was a dumb idea.
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# [19:48] <bholley> wg9s: no, XPConnect was the dumb idea ;-)
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# [19:48] <bholley> wg9s: but that's a decade of water under the bridge
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# [19:49] <ted> this is kinda painful slow on linux: http://jsfiddle.net/rfreebern/KCfkz/show/light/
# [19:49] <ted> all CSS animations
# [19:49] <ted> runs nice and smooth on my windows box
# [19:50] <ted> but i'd guess that's mostly hardware accel
# [19:50] <wg9s> bholley: this is all reated to why i am uncomfortable with these other languages which should be simpler like JavaScript etc. My whole experience has been in trying to figure out this JavaScript C way to pass things back and forth.
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# [19:50] <bholley> wg9s: js-ctypes? or something else?
# [19:51] <taras> luke: you are gonna love this
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# [19:52] <wg9s> Last time I looked at this, was a few years ago, I decided to abandon the project because all the code I could find that did anything similar was just too bizarre and unmaintainable looking. I really don't remember what the methodology was.
# [19:52] <taras> luke: since 11th of jan there was some massive adoption of e4x
# [19:52] <taras> =D
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# [19:53] <Jan> heh.
# [19:53] <jhammel> ted: it is smooth here on linux (no hw accel), but it is a 4 core box
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# [19:53] <taras> luke: went up 1000%
# [19:53] <Mook_as> taras: so, that's like... 10 people?
# [19:54] <luke> taras: hmm, i wonder if it is something simple like we added a use in the browser that shows up as content
# [19:54] <taras> https://metrics.mozilla.com/pentaho/content/pentaho-cdf-dd/Render?solution=metrics2&path=%2Ftelemetry&file=telemetryEvolution.wcdf
# [19:54] <ted> jhammel: core 2 quad here as well
# [19:54] <bholley> wg9s: you probably want js-ctyles ;-)
# [19:54] <ted> but crap intel graphics
# [19:55] <jhammel> yikes :/ crap nvidia graphics here, but no hwaccel
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# [19:57] <luke> taras: very strange. why is the sample size so small?
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# [19:59] <wg9s> bholley: Yes I probably did. If that was an option then, I did not know about it. And I gave up on the extensions and have found a way not to need it.
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# [19:59] <wg9s> So a win-win! ;-)
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# [20:00] <bholley> wg9s: heh, yeah. My guess is that you ran into XPConnect nastiness and js-ctypes didn't exist yet (it was only written about a year ago)
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# [20:01] <espindola> armenzg_brb: I have a build. Which files do you need? firefox-12.0a1.en-US.mac64.dmg, firefox-12.0a1.en-US.mac64.crashreporter-symbols.zip and firefox-12.0a1.en-US.mac64.tests.zip?
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# [20:01] <armenzg> espindola: all of them
# [20:01] <armenzg> thanks!
# [20:01] <espindola> armenzg: all these 3 you mean?
# [20:01] <armenzg> espindola: yep
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# [20:02] <espindola> ok. I have a 64 bit debug
# [20:02] <espindola> I will also build a 32 bit debug and an universal opt
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# [20:02] <espindola> to reproduce what the bots do
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# [20:04] <taras> luke: https://metrics.mozilla.com/pentaho/content/pentaho-cdf-dd/Render?solution=metrics2&path=%2Ftelemetry&file=telemetryEvolution.wcdf
# [20:04] <taras> we have a new telemetry thingy
# [20:04] <taras> that shows you data over time
# [20:04] <taras> to track regressions
# [20:04] <taras> apparently we just hit a big regression with CC_NEEDS_GC
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# [20:10] <deLta30> bsmith: ping
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# [20:13] <bsmith> deLta30: pong
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# [20:13] <deLta30> bsmith: I am filing a bug for level - 1 access right now
# [20:13] <bsmith> Sure.
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# [20:14] <deLta30> but don't know for which tree should I do that?
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# [20:14] <bsmith> deLta30: you don't need any trees on the exception list
# [20:14] <bsmith> just tryserver
# [20:15] <bsmith> Just say you need and only want tryserver acxcess in the bug.
# [20:15] <Standard8> bsmith: do you know who manages checkin-needed in nss?
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# [20:16] <bsmith> Standard8: what is the bug number?
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# [20:16] <bsmith> Standard8: often, kaie could do it, I think
# [20:16] <bsmith> Standard8: nobody is reguarly looking for checkin-needed, except maybe Kai, AFAICT
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# [20:16] <Standard8> bsmith: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=checkin-needed%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=2107767&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=NSS
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# [20:17] <bsmith> Standard8: It looks like I just need to check in those patches. Which one is affecting you?
# [20:17] <Standard8> bsmith: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331299 is an nspr one I think
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# [20:18] <bsmith> bug 644764, I am guessing
# [20:18] <Standard8> bsmith: none ;-) I just happened to be looking at checkin-needed globally today and spotted those
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# [20:18] <Standard8> bsmith: yeah, that one would be nice to move along as well
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# [20:18] <Standard8> especially as it got poked yesterday
# [20:19] <bsmith> Standard8: OK
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# [20:19] <Standard8> bsmith: thanks, I was just poking around a bit as it seemed they had been set for a while but not landed
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# [20:20] <bsmith> deLta30: please CC me on the bug you file for the commit access. I have to run. email me with any questions
# [20:20] <deLta30> ok
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# [20:21] <bent> bbondy, btw, what is maintenanceservice_tmp.exe all about?
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# [20:22] <jlebar> bsmedberg, Can I simply call malloc() for a fallible malloc? I need this for nsTArray, and apparently some of the xpcom tests which include TArray don't link with mozalloc. :(
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# [20:26] <bbondy> joe: do you have x64 native build, are you using a different channel? What happens when you type net start MozillaMaintenance?
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# [20:26] <bbondy> bent: maintenanceservice_tmp.exe is the file copied from the update in the installation directory. It gets compared to the currently installed version and will only replace the currently installed version if it is a higher version.
# [20:27] <bbondy> bent: It gets removed on next reboot
# [20:27] <bbondy> or on uninstall
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# [20:27] <joe> bbondy: nightly channel, x86
# [20:27] <joe> bbondy: "The service name is invalid."
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# [20:28] <bbondy> joe: Have you ever manually uninstalled the service before (or used ehsan's test bundle)? If you manually uninstall it will not re-install itself on updates.
# [20:28] <bent> bbondy, aha, i almost never reboot
# [20:28] <bbondy> joe: You can check for this regkey's existence HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Mozilla\MaintenanceService
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# [20:28] <joe> bbondy: i havent
# [20:28] <bbondy> bent: so you can safely ignore that file it won't do much harm except take up a little disk space
# [20:28] <joe> bbondy: however - when I first updated I didn't have UAC turned on
# [20:28] <bbondy> joe: how about the reg key, does it exist?
# [20:29] <joe> sec
# [20:29] <joe> that reg key exists
# [20:29] <joe> along with "Attempted" "1"
# [20:29] <bbondy> ya
# [20:29] <bbondy> and you are sure you've never run ehsan's test bundle on it nor had it installed before?
# [20:29] <espindola> armenzg: the builds will show up in http://people.mozilla.org/~respindola/builds/
# [20:30] <espindola> so far only the 64 bit debug one is done
# [20:30] <espindola> building 32 bit debug now
# [20:30] <joe> bbondy: oh crap, I *did* run ehsan's test bundle!
# [20:30] <bbondy> joe: so just nuke teh registry key I mentionedand you'll get it on the next update
# [20:30] <armenzg> espindola: you're awesome
# [20:30] <bbondy> joe: or just deleted the attempted dword
# [20:30] <joe> ok cool
# [20:31] <bbondy> joe: Thanks for following up on the problem though
# [20:31] <armenzg> espindola: the 64-bit debug would be for 10.6 and 10.7 testers, right?
# [20:31] <joe> :)
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# [20:35] <ehsan> joe: sorry about that :D
# [20:35] <joe> ehsan: :)
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# [20:37] <ehsan> good thing that test package was not widely distributed in the end ;)
# [20:37] <bbondy> :)
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# [20:51] <mbrubeck> And now, what's up with Win debug on inbound?
# [20:51] <mbrubeck> Ah, wget: unable to resolve host address `build.mozilla.org'
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# [20:52] <jlebar> lol!
# [20:53] <josh> bsmedberg: Did you get a chance to look at the NPP call threading situation on Windows?
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# [20:59] <gavin> khuey: r? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1455371
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# [20:59] <basti> hello
# [21:00] <basti> is there anybody who can help me getting started on contributing?
# [21:00] <basti> please
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# [21:00] <gavin> basti: #introduction is a good place to ask first
# [21:00] <askalski> basti: how new are you?
# [21:01] <askalski> basti: I have started two weeks ago, and I can send you some links that helped me a lot
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# [21:02] <gavin> basti: #introduction is a good place to ask first
# [21:02] <basti> okay, thank you
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# [21:04] <askalski> everyone, I am trying to set up windows build environment as described on MDN, and while trying to download DirectX SDK I read at microsoft site, that it's been integrated into windows SDK
# [21:05] <askalski> if that's true (haven't build yet), shouldn't we update the MDN wiki
# [21:05] <askalski> ?
# [21:05] <jdm> askalski: I've never had to download the directx sdk to get a build working
# [21:06] <jdm> although I might have disabled some feature that required it
# [21:06] <jdm> probably angle
# [21:06] <askalski> jdm, yep, I am talking about official build
# [21:06] <mbrubeck> romaxa, victorporof: FYI, you had some failures on your Try pushes that were caused by some network issues.
# [21:06] <gavin> I thought the windows SDK pages talked about this
# [21:06] <jhammel> the answer to almost any question that ends "shouldn't we update the wiki?" is usually yes
# [21:06] <mbrubeck> I retriggered victorporof's failed build; romaxa, you can retrigger your failed tests if you care about them.
# [21:06] <askalski> I guess I'll try by myself, and if succeed building it with the default build, I will update wiki
# [21:06] <victorporof> mbrubeck: thank you
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# [21:08] <jhammel> askalski: awesome, thanks :)
# [21:08] <romaxa> hmm, somehow latest m-c failing with compilation problems... like rsa.c:1529: undefined reference to `PORT_SetError_stub'... does anyone know what it could be?
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# [21:09] <gavin> askalski: where did MDN suggest you download the directX SDK?
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# [21:09] <gavin> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Windows_SDK_versions just recommends the win7 sdk everywhere AFAICT
# [21:09] <mbrubeck> looks like mats and mattwoodrow|away were affected by network issues on Try too.
# [21:10] <askalski> gavin: looking for the page, wait minute, my computer dies compiling
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# [21:10] <gavin> askalski: ah, it's on https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Windows_Build_Prerequisites
# [21:11] <askalski> gavin, yes, just got it
# [21:11] <askalski> it mentions ANGLE, and states that it's a part of official build
# [21:12] <gavin> askalski: the integration of the directX SDK into the windows SDK seems to only apply to Windows 8 Developer Preview
# [21:12] <gavin> I don't think we want to update the build page for that, since that isn't a supported build env yet
# [21:12] <askalski> gavin, I must have misunderstood microsoft's download page then, thanks
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# [21:23] <robcee> mbrubeck: those network failures that were causing victor's push to fail... were they async DNS related?
# [21:24] <robcee> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Fx-Team&rev=96036564910e
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# [21:24] <robcee> I've got some weird looking leaks on reftests and mochi-1 that I don't recall seeing before
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# [21:25] <mbrubeck> robcee: They were DNS failures, but I think they were server-side... for example, "hg clone" was failing to find the HG server, and Talos tests were failing to find the graph server.
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# [21:26] <robcee> I've got some busted talos here too
# [21:26] <robcee> could be the same thing
# [21:26] <robcee> also, tbpl is a little slow
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# [21:26] <mbrubeck> Yeah, I've been having to load summaries directly. Might be bugzilla API slowdowns again. (glob?)
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# [21:27] <robcee> yeah, sounds likely
# [21:27] <robcee> ok, thanks
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# [21:51] <rniwa_> rhelmer: hi, two patches on your way: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719928 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719931
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# [21:52] <philor> mbrubeck: might also be that I've been starring all the easy ones, and leaving all the hard-loaders for you ;)
# [21:52] <khuey> webkit is going to use graphserver? nice
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# [22:12] <Callek> khuey: ooo webkit using our graphserver code, nice :-)
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# [22:21] <dholbert> jdm, I'm not sure, dbaron would know though
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# [22:21] <jdm> dholbert: problem solved, thanks, though
# [22:22] <dholbert> yay! np
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# [22:22] <zwol> Is there anyone here who can help me find code that should be somewhere in the vicinity of the docshell?
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# [22:23] <sfink> zwol: there's a whole docshell/ subdirectory that seems promising
# [22:23] <zwol> sfink :-P
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# [22:23] <dholbert> zwol, bz has been useful to me in the past with docshell-related questions
# [22:24] <zwol> i thought of him, but he's not here
# [22:24] <dholbert> zwol, (though he seems to be offline at the moment)
# [22:24] <zwol> actually, i'll just go ahead and ask
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# [22:25] <zwol> Where is the code that causes insecure connection warnings to appear?
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# [22:25] <zwol> (*not* the code that defines their appearance)
# [22:25] <stefanh> dao: Thanks for the review. I presume bug 713446 will take you some more time to get to?
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# [22:27] <NeilAway> zwol: somewhere in DisplayLoadError?
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# [22:28] <rhelmer> khuey: Callek: yeah rniwa_ has been busy :) lots of much-needed refactoring and some nice features
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# [22:29] <Callek> rhelmer: I'm also webdev++ for the AMA thread too, fwiw
# [22:29] <Callek> :-)
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# [22:38] <Callek> gps: ugh Bug 702388 you responded to "Panagiotis Koutsourakis (New to Bugzilla) " whom by the very nature of "New to Bugzilla" likely does not have editbugs, which is required to set an assignee
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# [22:38] <Callek> gps: I figured I'll mention it to you here, rather than in bug, so you can rephrase/apologize for that oversight and if the person wants to own it one of us can set asignee for him
# [22:39] <gps> Callek: oh, I didn't realize that
# [22:40] <Callek> gps: I suspected as such, but I didn't want to correct you myself in bug, I know you've been around long enough, to have meant that in a non-agressive way, and additional conflict/confusion can drive away new contribs sometimes, so imo better for you to re-comment yourself ;-)
# [22:41] <espindola> armenzg_brb: http://people.mozilla.org/~respindola/builds/macosx32-debug/
# [22:41] <espindola> building the universal one now
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# [22:42] <gps> Callek: I have thick skin :) thanks for the courtesy though
# [22:43] <Callek> gps: ooo, its wasn't you I was worrying about :-P
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# [22:43] <Callek> I've tried to join a community in the past once, and saw what seemed like arguments among those already in the know, and it just doesn't strike as a community "you" want to be part of, if your first attempt at contributing shows that :-)
# [22:44] <gps> yes. best to not baptize new contributors in trolling
# [22:44] <Callek> o of course, users trolling is another thing :-)
# [22:44] <Callek> anyway, moving on
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# [22:46] <ehsan> vladan: do you have commit access? (regarding bug 716590)
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# [22:46] <vladan> ehsan: i do, i was putting it on backburner
# [22:46] <ehsan> ok
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# [22:47] <vladan> ehsan: i can do it now.. i guess i won't need to do automated tests for this change
# [22:47] <ehsan> vladan: pushign to try wouldn't be a bad idea ;)
# [22:47] <ehsan> but it should be fairly safe
# [22:47] <vladan> k
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# [23:09] <luke> anyone know who can review toolkit/xre/nsWindowDllBlocklist.cpp patches?
# [23:10] <gavin> vlad!
# [23:10] <gavin> ehsan
# [23:10] <luke> gavin: thanks
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# [23:25] <dbuc1> mkaply: hey man
# [23:25] <dbuc1> do you know how one might open a blank chrome url?
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# [23:26] <@mkaply> dbuc1: Just about:blank
# [23:26] <dbuc1> are there any registered chrome:// urls that are essentially blank windows?
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# [23:26] <dbuc1> is that chrome privledged?
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# [23:28] <@mkaply> dbuc: good question. I don't know. I would suggest asking in #extdev - I have to run but feel free to email me.
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# [23:30] <dbuc> ok
# [23:30] <dbuc> thanks
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# [23:57] <Mossop> The left sock probably got lost in the laundry
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# [23:58] <darktrojan> well it does appear to work only half the time
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