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1. # Session Start: Sat Jan 21 00:00:01 2012
2. # Session Ident: #developers
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18. # [00:12] <darktrojan> philor, what happened to the sombrero of shame? :(
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21. # [00:13] <jhammel> we had a sombrero of shame and we *don't* have it anymore? :/
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23. # [00:14] <darktrojan> maybe somebody claimed it
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26. # [00:16] <Callek> darktrojan: its a fedora now
27. # [00:16] <darktrojan> of ... ?
28. # [00:16] <Callek> we couldn't find anyone to support the sombrero
29. # [00:16] <darktrojan> failure?
30. # [00:17] <Callek> at least there are fedora maintainers
31. # [00:17] <Callek> :-)
32. # [00:17] <darktrojan> f' ups?
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35. # [00:18] * darktrojan is reading IAmA mozilla webdev, and has been for about an hour :/
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39. # [00:20] <zwol> How do I fix the "reference to undefined name 'syntax'" errors on https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsICategoryManager ?
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43. # [00:23] <gavin> zwol: see the message in the header at the top of the page
44. # [00:23] <zwol> oh!
45. # [00:23] <gavin> they're caused by a bug in MDN that needs fixing, nothing you can do
46. # [00:23] <zwol> okie dokie
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53. # [00:27] <philor> darktrojan: nothing happened to it (other than a SOPA blackout), it just lives in fx-team, not here
54. # [00:28] <darktrojan> did it move from etherpad?
55. # [00:29] <philor> got me, was it ever there? I just assumed it was some in joke I didn't know about
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57. # [00:29] <protz> mats: ping
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61. # [00:31] <mats> protz: pong
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64. # [00:31] <protz> mats: so I'm trying to wrap my head around the frame dump from 672944
65. # [00:31] <protz> thank you very much for your helpful comments from last time
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68. # [00:32] <protz> so when you say the nsScrollableXULFrame child doesn't have a sane scrolling area, do you mean the "{0,0,29460,1140}" part in the frame dump is wrong for the child right below the XULScroll line?
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76. # [00:35] <mats> protz: no, that's the frame rect (aka border-box)
77. # [00:35] <mats> protz: the problem is that we need a "scr-overflow" (scrollable overflow)
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79. # [00:36] <mats> protz: that's what the text-overflow code is looking for
80. # [00:36] <protz> mats: so you want the Block(div) that's the grand-child of the XULScroll to be exactly like {0,0,24000,1140} + [scr-overflow=0,0,29460,1140] ?
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83. # [00:39] <mats> protz: I think it's the direct child that should have the scr-overflow, compare with the HTMLScroll case at the end...
84. # [00:39] <mats> protz: but I'm not sure...
85. # [00:40] <protz> yeah I'm comparing the two, and I thought somehow scrollable overflow was linked to nsBlockFrame
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88. # [00:41] <mats> most frames can have overflow areas, but XUL frames don't have them by design
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90. # [00:42] <mats> I think we need to make at least XULScroll frame report something to text-overflow
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92. # [00:43] <mats> *to fix text-overflow
93. # [00:43] <mats> I think that's what roc suggested in comment 14
94. # [00:44] <protz> but in the case of HTMLScroll, the HTMLScroll doesn't have a scrollable-overflow
95. # [00:45] <jhammel> has anyone noticed pushState being unreliable in nightly recently? It is intermittent and when i reload the page it disappears, but i have noticed it on a few sites recently (github, redis.io)
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97. # [00:46] <jhammel> i am probably "navigating too quickly" or some such nonsense
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99. # [00:47] <mats> protz: correct, but its inner frame does, the -moz-scrolled-content
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101. # [00:47] <mats> protz: the XUL scroll frame has one too, I think that's the one you should set up a scrollable overflow area for
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103. # [00:48] <protz> so I guess we want to make the Box, not the XULScroll, report a scrollable-overflow?
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105. # [00:48] <protz> just to be symmetrical
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109. # [00:49] <mats> protz: yeah, my vague hope is that it'll just work :-)
110. # [00:49] <protz> huh
111. # [00:49] <protz> optimism ftw ;-)
112. # [00:50] <protz> I just need to figure out now what piece of code decides whether a frame should have a scrollable overflow or not
113. # [00:50] <protz> thank you very much for the guidance
114. # [00:50] <bent> jimm, any idea why scrolling a page with flash on windows sometimes moves the flash window long before the rest of the page catches up?
115. # [00:50] * protz looking at nsIFrame::GetOverflowRect right now
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124. # [00:54] <mats> protz: I'd guess that nsGfxScrollFrame.cpp is the place to start
125. # [00:54] <mats> protz: nsXULScrollFrame::LayoutScrollArea, for example
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127. # [00:54] <protz> huh that looks much more useful, indeed :)
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129. # [00:55] <mats> protz: and nsXULScrollFrame::Layout
130. # [00:55] <mats> ... which calls LayoutScrollArea
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132. # [00:55] <mats> should be able to pick up sizes on things there, and report something
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134. # [00:56] <mats> protz: nsIFrame::FinishAndStoreOverflow might be worth reading too
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138. # [00:59] <luke> philor: ping
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140. # [01:00] <philor> luke: pong
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142. # [01:00] <luke> philor: if you had time, could you search your mind-base and tell me if the orange on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=bb4fdd78e390 looks random or if anything looks suspicious? (in particular the orange 4, 5, and R on linux64)
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144. # [01:01] <protz> mats: that's very cool, thanks for all the guidance ; I had these files in my buffers, but not pointing to the right functions
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147. # [01:01] <protz> mats: I'm super-exhausted and going to bed, but I'll resume tomorrow, thanks for your time
148. # [01:02] <mats> no problem, good luck
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150. # [01:02] <Ms2ger> luke, those leaks look suspicious to me...
151. # [01:02] <protz> mats: thanks :=)
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153. # [01:02] <luke> true
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155. # [01:03] <philor> luke: you made the horrible mistake of having your tests running while dns got busted in the buildfarm this morning, and because we're like that, we leak dns when it's busted
156. # [01:03] <luke> philor: i was hoping you'd say that!
157. # [01:03] <Ms2ger> Ah, lovely
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159. # [01:03] <philor> your retriggers will... well, just got a round of the GConfService failures that I think are busted-DNS, rather than busted NTP, so maybe the retriggers will succeed
160. # [01:03] <Ms2ger> philor, and I'm much too naive when I expect someone to fix DNS? :)
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163. # [01:04] <jhammel> Ms2ger: SOPA will fix it, alright
164. # [01:04] <philor> Ms2ger: well, the bug got duped to some 400K bug, so that must mean that...
165. # [01:04] <Ms2ger> Point taken
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167. # [01:05] * Ms2ger pushes to try, wonders what colours will come out
168. # [01:05] <philor> personally, I turned off prefetching, and now when my dns gets busted, twenty times a night, well, I still get episodes of 100% CPU until I kill Firefox
169. # [01:06] * Ms2ger sighs, goes to sleep
170. # [01:06] <philor> but one of mcmanus' goals for this quarter is to make my life suck less, um, to work on better handling crappy networks
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172. # [01:07] <Ms2ger> The former should really be a Mozilla-wide goal
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174. # [01:10] <mixedpuppy> does anyone know why webappsstore.sqlite would not get written (aurora)? I'm having a problem with localstorage not persisting, and noticed that the sqlite file is not getting written.
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180. # [01:13] <jimm> bent: compositor/widget related most likely, we had a lot of problem with windowed plugins moving around. if you have a good test case, please file a bug.
181. # [01:14] <bent> jimm, it's really like every page
182. # [01:14] <bent> nytimes, google reader, anything
183. # [01:14] <gps> m-c segfaults on startup when compiled with Clang's SVN head on OS X :(
184. # [01:14] <jimm> try disabling acceleration and see if it help
185. # [01:15] <jimm> but file a bug none the less, if you can screen cast it that would be a big help.
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187. # [01:15] <gps> hopefully it is a Clang issue
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198. # [01:26] * philor rofls at bug 350365
199. # [01:27] <philor> we've been waiting for a string since the summer of 2007, a fact I'm reminded of because it just lost its uiwanted keyword
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232. # [01:56] <robhawkes> I'm getting periodic delays for incoming WebSockets messages that cause a build-up that only seems to occur in Firefox. Basically if I send a WS message to the browser every 100ms they will all come through smooth in Chrome but slightly janky and with random pauses in FF. I made a little video that briefly shows an example of this (the bars are the size of incoming WS messages, just watch for the pause on FF): http://vimeo.com/35389678
233. # [01:56] <robhawkes> Who is the best person to talk to about this?
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236. # [01:57] <robhawkes> So far I've tried a stripped down script to debug this (still occurs) as well as two versions of a WebSockets server on Node.js (Socket.IO and WS… still occurs on both).
237. # [01:58] <mcpherrin> robhawkes: What version did you try with? AFAIK there's a bunch of improvements to the websocket code in Nightly or Aurora
238. # [02:00] <robhawkes> mcpherrin: Thanks for replying. I'm experiencing this in Nightly (v12) although I can't rule out other versions because I've only been testing in Nightly so far
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242. # [02:01] <robhawkes> mcpherrin: I'm unsure if it's a specific WebSockets issue or something related to open tabs / extensions, as a test in Aurora with little tabs is running fairly smoothly. Still the odd hiccup but nothing as bad as Nightly.
243. # [02:03] <robhawkes> Just trying in Nightly with a fresh profile now
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247. # [02:05] <robhawkes> Ok, definitely consistently smoother with a fresh profile but it would still be nice to know what caused the hiccups with a "used" profile. The kind of pauses I'm seeing will make real-time games with WebSockets really frustrating if people play them in a fairly busy browser.
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249. # [02:06] <robhawkes> For the record Chrome is *way* smoother and the WS messages are picked up pretty evenly, even when used for other stuff.
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262. # [02:18] <dolske> robhawkes: I wonder if the jitter may just be the usual GC/CC/etc suspects that affects lots of things... it being smoother in a new profile (or a freshly-restarted profile) would suggest that.
263. # [02:18] <mcpherrin> Still possibly worth filing a bug.
264. # [02:19] <dolske> I'm not sure who's doing the WS work...
265. # [02:19] <dolske> likely suspects: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/filelog/49936b49aff3/netwerk/protocol/websocket/WebSocketChannelChild.cpp
266. # [02:20] <dolske> Patrick McManus mainly, istr... but yeah, do file a bug.
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268. # [02:23] <robhawkes> dolske | mcpherrin: I'm about to head to bed (it's late in the UK) but I'll file a bug and update in here
269. # [02:23] <robhawkes> Thanks for helping
270. # [02:23] <dolske> yup!
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296. # [03:02] <nigelb> I hate people who ask the "why not switch Firefox to Webkit" as though its a preference change.
297. # [03:02] <nigelb> make --website :/
298. # [03:02] <nigelb> s/website/webkit
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300. # [03:03] <darktrojan> ac_add_options --disable-gecko --enable-webkit
301. # [03:04] <nigelb> lol
302. # [03:04] <darktrojan> I hate people who ask it as though it would make anything better
303. # [03:04] <Mossop> Who cares how easy it is, it'd be totally against our goals
304. # [03:04] <nigelb> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/oonrg/iama_member_of_the_mozilla_webdev_team_ama/c3izznu
305. # [03:04] <nigelb> I just replied. Feel freee to add anything I missed.
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307. # [03:05] <Mossop> Chrome (based on webkit) was hitting the same problems we were
308. # [03:05] <Mossop> I'd need a reddit account to reply ;)
309. # [03:06] <nigelb> I'm hopign they'd click through to khuey's blog.
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311. # [03:06] <nigelb> He explains it quite well :)
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319. # [03:12] * ted votes that stupid question down
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324. # [03:16] <h4writer> tn, ping
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330. # [03:25] <tn> h4writer, pong
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333. # [03:25] <h4writer> tn, I'm the guy with that scrolling problem. Anything else you wanna ask. This probably goes faster over chat ;)
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335. # [03:27] <h4writer> tn, in my last comment, touchpad should actually be trackpad (to have the correct word ;))
336. # [03:27] <tn> h4writer, ok, that makes more sense
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338. # [03:30] <darktrojan> hah ms2ger got a mention on the IAmA http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/oonrg/iama_member_of_the_mozilla_webdev_team_ama/c3iyocn
339. # [03:32] <nigelb> haha
340. # [03:33] <darktrojan> man people really don't understand that it's a webdev iama
341. # [03:33] * philor|away is now known as philor
342. # [03:34] <nigelb> oh boy, you have no idea
343. # [03:34] <nigelb> so. many. questions.
344. # [03:34] <nigelb> "why is my firefox slow"
345. # [03:34] <darktrojan> I do, I'm reading the new questions list
346. # [03:34] <nigelb> "why do you guys keep breakign addons"
347. # [03:35] <darktrojan> "why aren't you as cool as chrome"
348. # [03:35] <nigelb> Or ropera
349. # [03:35] <nigelb> -r
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355. # [03:39] <larfdesk> my opnion is that its marketing...
356. # [03:40] <h4writer> tn, thanks for pointing that out. Gonna disable smooth scrolling and see if it triggers less. Because it only started happening since a few days (therefor I was blaming smooth scrolling)
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386. # [04:06] <philor> ruh roh
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392. # [04:07] <philor> eh, I guess a 50% chance of a crash isn't that bad
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395. # [04:09] <edmorley> philor: have I overlooked something?
396. # [04:09] <mbrubeck> The Android M1?
397. # [04:10] <philor> yeah
398. # [04:10] <philor> I was calling that a serious regression that margaret caused, but if you want to go with intermittent orange, that's fine by me :D
399. # [04:12] <edmorley> ah
400. # [04:12] <edmorley> the android false-positive blindness strikes again
401. # [04:12] <margaret> philor: we back back it out if you want
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404. # [04:13] <margaret> there's a second patch i'm going to land later that will change that stuff anyway
405. # [04:14] <philor> margaret: still waiting out the lag between when the retriggers on the push before finish and when tbpl actually gets told about them, since i'm totally guessing about it being yours
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407. # [04:15] <philor> plus, I don't use the product, so I seriously have no idea whether a 50:50 chance of crashing in a particular test is serious, or no big deal, maybe look at it next week if it doesn't go away
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409. # [04:15] <margaret> philor: i may have exposed a race condition with my patch
410. # [04:15] <margaret> because we're deleting tabs more quickly now
411. # [04:16] <margaret> tomorrow i want to do some serious investigation of the mess that is our tab code, so i may come up with something that would fix it anyway :)
412. # [04:16] <philor> well, I guess I do know that odds like that are no surprise on a Tegra, I just don't know about whether that translates into crashing actual real things :)
413. # [04:16] <edmorley> one way to find out... :-)
414. # [04:19] <edmorley> refresh of tbpl making that push look even more suspect, philor/ margaret, want me to backout?
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417. # [04:20] <margaret> edmorley: yeah, that's probably safest
418. # [04:21] <margaret> sorry about that
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420. # [04:21] <edmorley> margaret: that's ok :-)
421. # [04:21] <edmorley> margaret: both csets?
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425. # [04:21] <philor> blame android-blindness - I just wish I could adequately describe the problem, to people who don't watch the tree, but could do something about it
426. # [04:22] <margaret> are you referring to the login manager one as the other patch?
427. # [04:22] <margaret> that doesn't touch mobile at all, so that should be fine
428. # [04:22] <philor> so just 56ad9ccfcd15
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430. # [04:23] <edmorley> margaret: ha yeah, helps if I look at the file involved and not just the commit message (having an observant evening today clearly)
431. # [04:23] <margaret> :)
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434. # [04:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e46cca506613 - Ed Morley - Backout 56ad9ccfcd15 (bug 719494) for native Android M1 crashes
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460. # [05:04] <philor> hmm - I probably know how to fix this failure in test_browserFrame3.html, except mxr doesn't admit that such a thing exists
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463. # [05:07] <darktrojan> helpful
464. # [05:08] <philor> oh, freshly added
465. # [05:08] <darktrojan> must be, it's not in my tree either
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467. # [05:10] <philor> and indeed, <iframe onload="foo"></iframe><script>function foo(){}</script>
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472. # [05:16] <bjacob> does ehsan have a girlfriend now, or what? he used to be on irc around the clock
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475. # [05:19] <paul> ah ah :)
476. # [05:20] <philor> I never thought of that, figured he was just two-timing us with some other project
477. # [05:20] <darktrojan> maybe he's been deported
478. # [05:21] <philor> that usually doesn't happen for just a few hours every day
479. # [05:21] <darktrojan> ... to somewhere with patchy internet
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483. # [05:22] <philor> nope, don't seem him here
484. # [05:22] <darktrojan> heh
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526. # [06:36] <dolske> darktrojan: don't even joke about that. patchy internet is a terrifying thought.
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528. # [06:38] <blizzard> so is the 959 awesome?
529. # [06:38] <blizzard> it looks like an NSX
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531. # [06:40] <dolske> that's a new intel chipset, right?
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533. # [06:43] <blizzard> hmm!
534. # [06:43] <blizzard> another channel
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581. # [08:20] <mcpherrin> win 3
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583. # [08:20] <mcpherrin> (sorry)
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638. # [10:25] <jaws> is there a way to show more lines of context when adding a splinter review comment?
639. # [10:26] <Ms2ger> No
640. # [10:26] <jaws> k, thanks
641. # [10:27] <jaws> my internet searches didn't provide any answers
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659. # [10:59] <ewong> err anyone else having issues with the themes on wiki.m.o?
660. # [10:59] <roc> bugzilla down?
661. # [10:59] <nthomas|away> there's some sort of major network outage going on right now
662. # [11:00] <ewong> specifically classic/cavendish
663. # [11:00] <ewong> oh
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665. # [11:01] <jaws> http://status.mozilla.com/
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673. # [11:15] <ewong> wmo is also down
674. # [11:16] * nthomas|away is now known as nthomas
675. # [11:16] <nthomas> WFM, the network issue got fixed
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678. # [11:19] <Fallen|mac> Ms2ger: ping
679. # [11:21] <Fallen|mac> unping, nevermind :)
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697. # [12:06] <Ms2ger> Fallen|away, pong/unpong :)
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699. # [12:07] <firewolfbot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8c664c7ecb79 - Mark Banner - Unit test bustage fix from bug 672681 for apps without private browser and that don't have places enabled by default. r=unit-test only bustage fix
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702. # [12:14] <nthomas> hmm, no builds for Standard8's push
703. # [12:15] <Standard8> nthomas: yay I don't have to watch tinderbox :-P
704. # [12:15] <Standard8> nthomas: https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/mozilla-central/rev/8c664c7ecb79 looks bad
705. # [12:15] <nthomas> hah
706. # [12:15] <nthomas> I think that means nothing is scheduled for that rev
707. # [12:16] * Standard8 looks at TB buildbot
708. # [12:16] <nthomas> it definitely added a change, just not build jobs
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710. # [12:17] <Standard8> TB buildbot is fine
711. # [12:18] <nthomas> ok, I restarted the scheduler and there jobs now
712. # [12:18] <nthomas> thanks for the test case
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714. # [12:21] <nthomas> but nothing building them, going to be grumpy if I have to restart every master
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716. # [12:21] <Standard8> nthomas: seems like there's something pending now
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727. # [12:31] <nthomas> jobs are now starting on the master that got successively more brutal intervention leading to a kill -9
728. # [12:31] <nthomas> and restart
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735. # [12:39] <firewolfbot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/bf4edffd9394 - ffxbld - Automated blocklist update from host moz2-linux-slave43
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737. # [12:41] <darktrojan> does that blocklist update really block firebug from firefox 9, or am I imagining it?
738. # [12:43] <Ms2ger> Sounds right
739. # [12:44] <darktrojan> also that file is such a mess somebody could mistake it for a .rdf
740. # [12:44] <Ms2ger> (Bug 712289)
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742. # [12:45] <darktrojan> I'll take your word for it, since I can't take bugzilla's
743. # [12:45] <Ms2ger> Bad bugzilla
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783. # [14:12] <sander85> dom.properties: InvalidRedirectChannelWarning=Unable to redirect to %S because the channel doesn't implement nsIWritablePropertyBag2. can someone tell me what is this %S? i fail @ reading code :/ it comes from mozilla-aurora/content/base/src/nsCSPService.cpp:307
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785. # [14:16] <Ms2ger> sander85, newUriSpec, in that case
786. # [14:18] <sander85> Ms2ger: yes, but what is it for user? i need to translate this string and i have no idea how should i refer to it? is it URL? is it something else? no comment from developer
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788. # [14:18] <Ms2ger> Ah
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790. # [14:19] <Ms2ger> "a string representation of the URI"
791. # [14:20] <sander85> Ms2ger: like (http://)www.mozilla.org ?
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793. # [14:21] <Ms2ger> AIUI, yes
794. # [14:23] <sander85> Ms2ger: ok, i was guessing so.. thanks!
795. # [14:23] <Ms2ger> Np
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812. # [14:47] <ewong> anyone know where I go to ask about browserid.org? I'm getting http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1457448
813. # [14:47] <ewong> so i can't seem to sign up or verify my e-mail
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815. # [14:51] <doublec> ewong: try #identity
816. # [14:51] <ewong> doublec: thanks
817. # [14:51] <doublec> np
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865. # [16:18] <googlesucks> hi, can Mozilla please tell Google not to be lame and treat Nightly 12.0 like an outdated browser? http://i.imgur.com/BN9SH.png
866. # [16:19] <@smaug> googlesucks: isn't that just Google having an ad for chrome
867. # [16:20] <googlesucks> yeah, it's still pretty lame
868. # [16:20] <@smaug> they are marketing Chrome in all possible ways
869. # [16:20] <@smaug> it sure is
870. # [16:20] <googlesucks> sorry, Chrome isn't faster than Firefox 12.0
871. # [16:21] <googlesucks> also it wasn't there yesterday, it only started today
872. # [16:21] * @smaug mumbles something about monopoly in internet ads , and using wrong that monopoly ...
873. # [16:22] <googlesucks> don't be evil? more like BE EVIL
874. # [16:22] <@smaug> googlesucks: interesting, that ad is also in google.fi
875. # [16:22] <@smaug> apparently they have started some new campaign
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878. # [16:23] <ttaubert> also on google.de
879. # [16:23] <ttaubert> rats
880. # [16:23] <googlesucks> also I saw this from Mozillazine, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720122
881. # [16:23] <googlesucks> Google, terrible in all aspects
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883. # [16:24] <bholley> :-(
884. # [16:24] <@smaug> well, Google search works ok, and Chrome is a good browser, but the company is behaving really badly nowadays
885. # [16:25] * bholley wonders what the reaction would be if Firefox started recommending bing with an overlay when users visited google.com
886. # [16:25] <bholley> "Care about your privacy? Try bing!"
887. # [16:25] <@smaug> I would be a bit surprised if EU or US won't do something to Google quite soon.
888. # [16:25] <ttaubert> it's a matter of time I guess
889. # [16:25] <ttaubert> +just
890. # [16:27] <googlesucks> nothing annoys me more than Google trying to tell me what browser I should use, same with MS
891. # [16:27] <googlesucks> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2371583
892. # [16:28] <googlesucks> MS telling Firefox users to move to IE9
893. # [16:28] <googlesucks> both these companies need to be broken up
894. # [16:29] <@smaug> well, in many ways MS is behaving a lot better in the web
895. # [16:29] <@smaug> (than G)
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897. # [16:33] <@smaug> could we add some script to FF to automatically remove all the Chrome ads :)
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902. # [16:37] <googlesucks> thats pointless, they can change the ways to display the ad every time
903. # [16:37] <googlesucks> someone really needs to call out Google on their bullshit
904. # [16:37] <googlesucks> just like what http://blog.mocality.co.ke/2012/01/13/google-what-were-you-thinking/ did
905. # [16:37] <cmr> ... since when are ads bullshit? Is directv ads telling you to switch to their network bullshit?
906. # [16:40] <googlesucks> if they were targeting the ads to outdated browsers like IE6/7/8 it's fine
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908. # [16:41] <googlesucks> but targeting it to Firefox users is pretty much insidious and evil
909. # [16:41] <firewolfbot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0f664cd835ec - Victor Porof - Bug 715518 - WASD controls don't work in 3D view if typeaheadfind is active; r=rcampbell
910. # [16:41] <firewolfbot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/50cd93681c9b - Cedric Vivier - Bug 708613 - Move SplitView component in devtools/shared; r=rcampbell
911. # [16:41] <firewolfbot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/24cdcf5654fc - Victor Porof - Bug 712029 - Implement a way to reset the modelview matrix in Tilt; r=rcampbell
912. # [16:41] <firewolfbot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/96036564910e - Paul Rouget - Bug 718259 - Remove the resizer button in the Inspector Toolbar; r=rcampbell,dao; ui-r=shorlander
913. # [16:41] <firewolfbot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/66fcdc7716dc - Victor Porof - Bug 712096 - Exiting 3D (Tilt) mode of the developer tools should show a transition back to a flat page; r=rcampbell
914. # [16:41] <firewolfbot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ca5b6d4d1892 - Victor Porof - Bug 718281 - Hide Tilt outro transition in a pref; r=rcampbell
915. # [16:42] <firewolfbot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1655a3f30b7e - Dave Camp - Bug 719934: Disable GCLI by default. r=robcee
916. # [16:42] <firewolfbot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d43360499b86 - Rob Campbell - merge fx-team to m-c
917. # [16:42] <firewolfbot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0c90c1267f63 - Victor Porof - Bug 713391 - There should be a test to make sure Tilt is opened via the access key; r=rcampbell
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993. # [18:08] <Callek> BenWa: ping?
994. # [18:09] <BenWa> Callek: pong
995. # [18:09] <Callek> BenWa: at what "translation unit" level should I be cautious of "static initializers"?
996. # [18:09] <Callek> and does it initializing anything at all matter, or just certain pieces of code?
997. # [18:09] <Callek> BenWa: re: Bug 715802
998. # [18:09] <BenWa> Callek: Any piece of code that will trigger an internal function. The list of which is unknown
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1001. # [18:10] <BenWa> If you were to add something that calls Gesalt() before main then you wouldn't trigger quirks correctly
1002. # [18:11] <Callek> BenWa: so basically, we're concerned with main() being run first, and absolutely no [mac] internal functions running before the Quirks Triggering?
1003. # [18:11] <BenWa> So far we've been fixing this reactively 
1004. # [18:11] <Callek> or any functions at all?
1005. # [18:11] <BenWa> No it's some mac internal functions that may trigger it
1006. # [18:11] * Callek just wants to be sure he understands the problem
1007. # [18:11] <BenWa> if you notice that you regress the feature then look for the regression range and fix it
1008. # [18:12] <BenWa> So no, code before main() is fine, as long as it doesn't call some magical internal OS function and which case you'll notice a regression
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1011. # [18:13] <Callek> BenWa: to be clear, do we have tests/code that can test for this regression, or must someone on a mac visually/manually check?
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1013. # [18:14] <BenWa> We've only regressed it once and we've noticed ourself and fixed it.
1014. # [18:14] <BenWa> We run gfxCardStatus to keep track of GPU changes
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1018. # [18:15] <BenWa> We don't have hardware on tinderbox to write automated test for this, and even if we did it wouldn't work within an existing test suite I don't think
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1020. # [18:18] <Callek> BenWa: ok.... so, (since I don't own a mac) can you tell me how I would direct our users to watch out for this, or what user-issue would point at this?
1021. # [18:19] <Callek> BenWa: I wrote this patch because the TriggerQuirks() itself moved out of shared code into app-code, and I am very sure that we needed to follow suit ;-) But I'm mostly clueless on this specific issue
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1028. # [18:26] <Ms2ger> "What's wrong with WinXP?" as a bug summary?
1029. # [18:26] <Ms2ger> That's either a troll or philor
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1032. # [18:27] <philor> can't parse that grammar, how could the word "or" fit in there?
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1036. # [18:29] <Ms2ger> * @return true if all went well; false if error occurred
1037. # [18:29] <Ms2ger> */
1038. # [18:29] <Ms2ger> nsresult
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1046. # [18:48] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, hope you like my patches :)
1047. # [18:49] <@smaug> Ms2ger: haa, you ask hsivonen to review...
1048. # [18:49] * @smaug is all for getting more reviewers
1049. # [18:50] <Ms2ger> You could always force peterv and jst to do reviews quickly while you're in Paris ;)
1050. # [18:51] <@smaug> I don't know how to force jst, but I could ask peterv to either review or eat Finnish salty liquorice
1051. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> That's good to know :)
1052. # [18:52] <Callek> smaug: salty liquorice -- that might be a liquorice I would like!
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1062. # [19:19] <gcp> ted: ping
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1075. # [19:30] <WG9s> Callek: email me your address I will send you some licorice you will like form Yummies in York Maine.
1076. # [19:30] <WG9s> not now but I have a summer palce near there.
1077. # [19:30] <WG9s> place
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1079. # [19:31] <Callek> WG9s: sure, happy to try some (I've never been a fan of licorice, but I do like zambooka [sp?] and my mother loves licorice, so if I don't like it after I try it will find someone who does
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1081. # [19:34] <evilpie> "remote: Warning: Permanently added the RSA host key for IP address '63.245.209.160' to the list of known hosts" okay?
1082. # [19:35] <Callek> evilpie: hg?
1083. # [19:35] <evilpie> yes
1084. # [19:35] <Callek> evilpie: yea its ok
1085. # [19:35] <evilpie> good
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1087. # [19:36] <mcpherrin> evilpie: Likely this means the server changed IP, or it's a round-robin hostname with multiple IPs
1088. # [19:36] <Callek> mcpherrin: it changed IP's recently
1089. # [19:36] <Callek> as in, ~ last week I think
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1127. # [20:26] <glandium> someone to rubberstamp http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1457579 ?
1128. # [20:29] * Callek looked but doesn't know what you're doing well enough to stamp
1129. # [20:29] <Ms2ger> rs=me
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1132. # [20:32] <glandium> Ms2ger: thanks
1133. # [20:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8297a76e0552 - Mike Hommey - Fixup for Bug 683127 part 11 to avoid crashing on places migration. rs=Ms2ger
1134. # [20:34] <ttaubert> are higher talos values always worse?
1135. # [20:35] <mbrubeck> ttaubert: no
1136. # [20:35] <philor> no
1137. # [20:35] <mbrubeck> ttaubert: Talos Dromaeo tests have higher numbers better
1138. # [20:35] <ttaubert> oh ok
1139. # [20:36] <ttaubert> we want low numbers for page_load talos tests I guess
1140. # [20:36] <WG9s> taubert: has to do in if the benchamrk is in how long does it take to do this or how manyh of these can you do in this amount of time.
1141. # [20:37] <ttaubert> k
1142. # [20:37] <ttaubert> what exactly leads to an increase of Trace Malloc Allocs/MaxHeap? how can I test those on try? they seem not included in talos try runs
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1144. # [20:39] <philor> ttaubert: they aren't talos, they're part of the debug build
1145. # [20:40] <ttaubert> meh, thanks
1146. # [20:40] <ttaubert> :)
1147. # [20:41] <philor> click the build on tbpl, they're down at the bottom as MH and A
1148. # [20:42] <philor> and I suspect devmo has some docs from around 2000 or 2001 :)
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1152. # [20:47] <ttaubert> yay!
1153. # [20:47] <ttaubert> cool thanks, that helps!
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1175. # [21:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/244711942710 - Mike Hommey - Backout 7469527224bf (bug 683127 part 12) because of crashes on Android during places migration
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1190. # [21:39] <gcp> glandium: oi, it doesn't work at all?
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1192. # [21:41] <Callek> philor: devmo wasn't around in 2000/2001
1193. # [21:43] <dria> true fact
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1195. # [21:45] <glandium> gcp: it was a stupid problem. I'll reland later
1196. # [21:46] <glandium> gcp: stupid as in http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1457611
1197. # [21:46] <gcp> heh
1198. # [21:47] <gcp> as far as the lack of tests - I think tests in native fennec are right now the exception still
1199. # [21:47] <glandium> gah, i forgot i need a clobber on androd native
1200. # [21:47] <gcp> though shoving a places.sql in the default profile would be enough
1201. # [21:48] <glandium> gcp: it is
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1205. # [21:50] <glandium> for those watching the tree, if android tests go awfully wrong on 244711942710, just retrigger a build, i clobbered just now, so subsequent builds will be clobbered and won't have problems. The nightly will be fine
1206. # [21:50] * glandium off
1207. # [21:53] <glandium> before i wander off, if someone wants to give an rs for http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1457611 so that i can reland any time i'm available...
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1214. # [22:02] <tbsaunde> glandium: that is silly, rs==me
1215. # [22:02] <ttaubert> philor: do I need to run any test suites besides a normal debug build to get Allocs/MaxHeaps stats on try?
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1245. # [22:30] <philor> ttaubert: nope, just debug, but you have to grovel through the logs to find the numbers, because tbpl picks them up from when the build reports to graphserver, and try builds don't
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1248. # [22:32] <ttaubert> philor: ok, thanks again!
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1253. # [22:33] <philor> Callek: sorry to have confused you, I didn't mean "devmo has some docs which were originally written in a devmo textarea in 2000/2001"
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1276. # [23:08] <cmr> Is xhr's "load" event fired when the request is complete and it has the response?
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1280. # [23:14] <cmr> Ah, yes, read the w3c spec
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1288. # [23:33] <RobertClaypool> How does firefox handle small allocations to the heap?
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1293. # [23:37] <RobertClaypool> Is it quiet in here, or am I having trouble?
1294. # [23:38] <cmr> It is quiet
1295. # [23:39] <RobertClaypool> Thanks, Is there a document outlining Firefox memory allocation strategy?
1296. # [23:39] <RobertClaypool> I tried google firefox memory management, and couldn't find what I was looking for
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1300. # [23:42] <RobertClaypool> IF a number of small allocations to the heap were done as a member in the relevant class or allocated on the stack, it might improve performance
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1302. # [23:44] <RobertClaypool> ...at least that's my theory, which I could tell better if I knew how Firefox allocates memory.
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1304. # [23:46] <Jesse> RobertClaypool: i'm not sure i understand what you're asking
1305. # [23:46] <Jesse> RobertClaypool: firefox uses jemalloc
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1307. # [23:47] <Jesse> RobertClaypool: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/memory/jemalloc/jemalloc.c#33
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1309. # [23:48] <Jesse> RobertClaypool: what's the pattern you want to transform into static(?) class member or stack allocations?
1310. # [23:48] <RobertClaypool> on linux and unix, but...
1311. # [23:50] <RobertClaypool> in nsScriptableUnicodeConverter:Finishwithlength, there's a 32 byte allocation on the heap
1312. # [23:50] <RobertClaypool> short lived
1313. # [23:51] <RobertClaypool> but potentially called many times
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1316. # [23:52] <Jesse> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/intl/uconv/src/nsScriptableUConv.cpp#113
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1318. # [23:53] <Jesse> are you sure it's short-lived? it looks like the pointer gets returned through the outparam "_retval"
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1321. # [23:55] <Waldo> hello world; how is it I make a try-push trigger PGO builds again? I tried https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/ead1cc859c90 but either that doesn't work or it takes more than 12h for turnaround
1322. # [23:56] <RobertClaypool> but then it gets immediately deallocated in the two routines that call it after its contents get merged to another string
1323. # [23:57] <Jesse> RobertClaypool: i see, that does seem silly
1324. # [23:57] <RobertClaypool> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=FinishWithLength
1325. # [23:59] <Jesse> RobertClaypool: we're generally not big on alloca(), but since this is a fixed-length buffer, it could easily be a stack buffer owned by the callers
1326. # [23:59] <RobertClaypool> I'm better at reading languages than writing in them
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