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# [00:00] <Mook_as> if you're crazy enough, you could pass around things that almost look like nsString... :p
# [00:01] * taras is far too sane
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# [00:01] <biesi> taras, the ctypes convention is "use whatever the API you're calling wants" ;)
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# [00:02] <biesi> taras, you control both sides here?
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# [00:02] <zpao> josh: that's fair. i went with option 3 here & wrote it up (still need to test it out). it may be a bit jarring if it ever actually happens. if you do get a chance to think about comment 68 there (should require less time), that would be appreciated. i have my opinion about it but it would be good to have yours as well
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# [00:03] <bsmedberg> use something like pascal strings?
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# [00:04] <sheppy> My "Add Image to iPhoto" example (which no longer works now that Firefox is 64-bit) has code to generate Pascal strings for use in Carbon routines. :)
# [00:04] <sid0> why the hell does splinter decide to use 1-line context in exactly those places where I need a 5-line context
# [00:04] <taras> biesi: yes
# [00:05] <sid0> how does it decide to use the context it does end up using?
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# [00:06] <Fallen|mac> that would interest me too
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# [00:09] <Waldo> in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=cbb7ced0f823 is there an explanation for that red which doesn't mean I should just retrigger it?
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# [00:29] <philor> you misphrased the question
# [00:29] <philor> oh, too late, |buildduty is |afk
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# [00:34] <philor> I'll be surprised if your retrigger works, though, I suspect it's just broken
# [00:35] <Waldo> my two retriggers, even :-\
# [00:35] * Waldo seems to have managed to hit it twice
# [00:35] <Waldo> odds on canceling one canceling exactly one?
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# [00:35] <philor> moderately good
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# [00:36] <philor> oh, interesting, one win64 build this morning succeeded
# [00:36] <Waldo> that's a resounding vote of confidence, coming from you
# [00:37] <mccr8> my Win64 opt build on try failed, too.
# [00:37] <philor> well, it's try, there's no coalescing
# [00:37] <philor> off try, your odds of not cancelling a build three pushes up are poor
# [00:37] <philor> but you might want to not cancel
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# [00:38] <philor> looks like maybe a 1 in 5 or so chance of getting a build that manages to clone, so you might want to trigger a couple more
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# [00:38] <Waldo> well, I have good reason to expect at least *some* Windows failure from that push, I'm mostly interested in the exact failure mode
# [00:38] <josh> bsmedberg: got Pandora loading on Windows, it's a four line fix
# [00:39] <Waldo> although I am cautiously hopeful that the failure I'm expecting is totally non-existent, given what webkit's similar code looks like
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# [00:39] <bsmedberg> woohoo!
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# [00:55] <mounir> dbaron: ping
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# [01:15] <mounir> I wonder why we have this prtypes.h/basictypes.h dependency
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# [01:15] <mounir> this is *so* annoying
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# [01:17] <philor> sworkman: backed you out, doesn't seem to quite entirely build ;)
# [01:18] <sworkman> philor: :( k, thx - I'll take a look
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# [01:28] <philor> aw man, every time I manage to push an orange bug up near 1000 comments, someone comes along and patches it
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# [01:30] <jhammel> lol
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# [01:31] <philor> only 66 to go, might still make it
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# [01:31] <jhammel> philor: want me to push to Try from some old trees?
# [01:32] <philor> heh, no, that just confuses me mightily
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# [01:33] <philor> starring try sure does show that people are not terribly good about updating their trees, though
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# [01:33] <jhammel> heh
# [01:33] <jhammel> that i believe
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# [01:34] <jhammel> "we're on Firefox 4 now? When did that happen?"
# [01:34] <dbuc> I'm reading through MDN about the remote XUL whitelist
# [01:34] <blizzard> wat
# [01:34] <dbuc> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Remote_XUL
# [01:34] * Waldo doesn't even know what version of Firefox we're on now
# [01:34] <lurking_work> philor: you need to lower your goal from 1000, to like 200 - get 'em fixed and you have less orange - win-win!
# [01:34] <blizzard> firefox tween
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# [01:35] <dbuc> can't seem to find an actualy doc describing where the whitelist is/called/accessed from
# [01:35] <sheppy> blizzard: that explains the unpredictable behavior? :)
# [01:35] <blizzard> sheppy: :D
# [01:35] <dbuc> anyone know the interface for adding things to the remote xul whitelist?
# [01:35] <dbuc> "However, there is a whitelist that lets you specify sites that can still use remote XUL."
# [01:36] <sheppy> dbuc: there's an extension that lets you do that.
# [01:36] <dbuc> might as well say: "However, there is a *unicorn* that lets you specify sites that can still use remote XUL."
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# [01:36] <dbuc> I need to programatically add one for an internal moz extension we're building
# [01:36] <dbuc> sheppy: ^
# [01:36] <sheppy> dbuc: well, if you fid out how, let me know, and I'll update the docs. I wasn't able to find out. :)
# [01:37] <dbuc> haha
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# [01:37] <sheppy> dbuc: yay unicorns!
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# [01:38] <philor> even with my best Br'er Rabbit voice, nobody would believe me if I said "oh, no, don't fix that orange yet, I'm trying to get to 200 comments on it"
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# [01:38] <philor> given that there are already literally hundreds of them where I made the 200th comment
# [01:39] <sheppy> dbuc: given the number of things I have to chase down, this is one I took the easy way out on because there were bigger fish to fry
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# [01:39] <dbuc> im guessing jonas would know
# [01:40] <dbuc> he was on a few remote xul bugs
# [01:40] <dbuc> hmm
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# [01:41] <NeilAway> dbuc: it uses nsIPermissionManager
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# [01:41] <dbuc> any clue what the syntax is NeilAway?
# [01:41] <@dbaron> hmmm, m-c tip cset currently starts with "dead"
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# [01:41] <@dbaron> mounir, pong
# [01:42] <mounir> dbaron: I was wondering what should be done regarding Mozilla and DAP now that ppl gave feedback (publicly or privatly)
# [01:43] <dbuc> NielAway thanks! got it ;)
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# [01:43] <@dbaron> mounir, who is it who'd join the group? you?
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# [01:43] <NeilAway> dbuc: Services.perms.add(uri, type, value)
# [01:44] <mounir> dbaron: Mozilla, not me in particular (or I'm missing the point of the question)
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# [01:44] <NeilAway> dbuc: value is probably Services.perms.ALLOW_ACTION
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# [01:44] <@dbaron> mounir, hmmm... then I think people may have misunderstood the question you were asking
# [01:44] <NeilAway> dbuc: value is allowXULXBL
# [01:44] <NeilAway> dbuc: sorry, I mean type is "allowXULXBL"
# [01:44] <@dbaron> mounir, I think people were assuming you were saying that you were willing to be on the group
# [01:44] * sheppy revises docs a bit.
# [01:45] <@dbaron> mounir, if not, it sounds like you're volunteering nobody@mozilla.org to do real work, which doesn't tend to turn out so well
# [01:45] <mounir> dbaron: how? :/
# [01:45] <mounir> dbaron: could you reply to the thread to ask ppl if that's what they thought?
# [01:45] <dbuc> cool
# [01:46] <dbuc> Cc["@mozilla.org/permissionmanager;1"].getService(Ci.nsIPermissionManager).add(uri, 'allowXULXBL', 1)
# [01:46] <dbuc> boom
# [01:46] <dbuc> winning
# [01:46] <mounir> dbaron: I'm participating to the group
# [01:46] <mounir> but I think Mozilla have to join it as an organization
# [01:46] <mounir> Jonas and I are already active in this WG
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# [01:47] <@dbaron> mounir, ah, ok, so we do have people who would participate
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# [01:47] <mounir> dbaron: yes, given that it is closely related to WebAPI work
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# [01:47] <mounir> dbaron: I'm editor of one spec there FWIW
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# [01:48] <dbuc> oops
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# [01:48] <dbuc> NielAway?
# [01:48] <NeilAway> dbuc: please don't use 1 when you can use something more symbolic
# [01:49] <NeilAway> dbuc: also if you import Services.jsm then you can use Services.perms to save yourself a step
# [01:49] <dbuc> I was just reconstructing the call from that Remote XUL Manager extension that is on AMO
# [01:49] <dbuc> ahh
# [01:49] <dbuc> ok
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# [01:50] <@dbaron> mounir, ok, replied to email
# [01:51] <NeilAway> dbuc: ooh, you mean the extension just uses the literal 1?
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# [01:51] <bsmith> wesj: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp#1741
# [01:51] <NeilAway> dbuc: if that's the case, feel free to thwap the extension author on my behalf for leading you astray ;-)
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# [01:53] <sheppy> Should it be using true then, or something else?
# [01:53] <sheppy> The snippet I just added to the docs is using true at the moment.
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# [01:57] <Mook_as> sheppy: it should probably using one of http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/base/public/nsIPermissionManager.idl#72
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# [01:57] <sheppy> Mook_as: Duh yes
# [01:58] <sheppy> That's better.
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# [01:59] <sheppy> I love when IRC chatter results in docs getting improved. :)
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# [02:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/e04e018f9ae6 - Henri Sivonen - Bug 693399 - r=bzbarsky, backport=dveditz, a=dveditz
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# [02:01] <philor> haHa, someone had to push to 1.9.2
# [02:02] <sheppy> wow.
# [02:02] <sheppy> That's just… wow.
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# [02:07] <ukudun> hello. i'm developing an extension that takes a screenshot of the page to display a "minimap" in a sidebar. i'd like to update the minimap image when the dom changes, but with dom mutation events being deprecated and performance heavy, i'm seeking an alternative. is there any alternative api available to an add-on?
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# [02:14] <mbrubeck> ukudun: Hmm, I wonder what ian used for http://mirror.ianbicking.org
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# [02:15] <Mossop> mbrubeck: server not found
# [02:15] <mbrubeck> http://mirror.ianbicking.org/ works for me
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# [02:15] <mbrubeck> https://github.com/mozilla/browsermirror is the code
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# [02:17] <mbrubeck> hmm, looks like it used(?) mutation events, but now doesn't attach its listener to anything? https://github.com/mozilla/browsermirror/blob/master/lib/mirror.js#L274
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# [02:20] <mounir> dbaron: so that means Mozilla is officially part of DAP now?
# [02:21] <@dbaron> mounir, yep
# [02:21] <mounir> good news
# [02:21] <@dbaron> mounir, actually, it seems we had been all along
# [02:21] <mounir> dbaron: and thanks :)
# [02:21] <@dbaron> mounir, as far as patent policy commitments go
# [02:21] <@dbaron> mounir, though I actually thought otherwise
# [02:22] <@dbaron> mounir, yeah, we did actually leave the group before
# [02:22] <@dbaron> mounir, so I think the W3C's database is just confused, but anyway
# [02:22] <mounir> dbaron: I've heard that
# [02:22] <ukudun> looks like i might be able to get away with MozAfterRepaint
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# [02:24] <bsmith> taras: what filesystem APIs let us query whether a file is completely on disk already (as opposed to fsyncing)?
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# [02:24] <bsmith> That sounds like a great tool if it is available.
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# [02:34] <taras> bsmith: something like http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/filesystems/fiemap.txt#121
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# [02:35] <taras> that's user-level api on linux, no root required
# [02:35] <gavin> philor: thanks for fixing 711619
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# [02:36] <philor> gavin: np, but don't you have something you could push there? someone needs to despoil it with the rainbow hues of Android
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# [02:37] <gavin> I guess I do
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# [02:44] <mbrubeck> Hmm, tooltips are not working in my Nightly on Linux...
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# [02:45] <bsmith> taras: thank you
# [02:46] <bsmith> taras: have you heard of any Windows analog?
# [02:46] <gavin> why doesn't the "needs a bug number" hook tell me what I need to do to bypass it? :(
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# [02:47] <espindola> rail_away, you mean too *new*, right?
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# [02:47] <taras> bsmith: bbondy will check on that, it's not as easy on windows
# [02:47] <taras> if even possible
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# [02:47] <taras> but they might add it in win8 :)
# [02:47] <taras> seems like a useful feature for high perf io
# [02:47] <bsmith> taras: awesome. That could be huge
# [02:48] <taras> it'll be useful on android
# [02:48] <taras> even if we have to fix filesystems to report this properly
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# [02:49] <taras> bsmith: are you guys looking into cache locks?
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# [02:49] <taras> last i heard hurley was almost ready to dive into them
# [02:49] <bsmith> taras: that is just what I was going to say
# [02:50] <mbrubeck> tooltips are back after restarting the browser. :/
# [02:50] <bsmith> bsmith: AFAICT, every use of said locks in the current design is a bug, but hurley knows more than me about it
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# [02:51] <bsmith> taras ^: I mean, AFAICT, those locks are only guarding against the cache thread and the main thread, or the cache thread and another background thread that might hold the lock for a very long time
# [02:52] <bsmith> either way, each lock acquisition seems to mean blocking the main thread and/or the cache thread for a very long time
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# [03:01] <bsmith> taras: as far as I can tell, FIEMAP ioctl may not be very useful because it seems to only account for file contents and not file metadata. (similar to how fdatasync isn't useful without having fsync available for metadata, for database applications)
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# [03:08] <taras> bsmith: dunno
# [03:08] <taras> we could poll the directory
# [03:08] <taras> ie fiemap the directory
# [03:08] <taras> to move up to metadata level
# [03:08] <taras> that's supported
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# [03:10] <jlebar> Do try builds have crashreporter enabled?
# [03:11] <nthomas> we don't publish the symbols to socorro
# [03:11] <nthomas> ... if that's what you're angling at
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# [03:11] <jlebar> nthomas, No, just whether I'll get the crash reporter to come up when I crash.
# [03:11] <nthomas> I don't recall them having crash reporter disabled
# [03:11] <jlebar> nthomas, okay; thanks!
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# [03:26] <hub> I can't subscribe to the planning mailing list without a Google account?
# [03:26] <Mossop> Yes you can
# [03:26] <Mossop> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-planning
# [03:26] <hub> ah right, I missed that link
# [03:26] <hub> thanks
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# [03:31] <jlebar> josh++
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# [03:32] <josh> That better be the last thing, I'm so tired of that patch!
# [03:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/173bc943fe0d - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 432391 part 1. Fix CancelAndForgetObserver to work correctly even if Cancel has been called. r=joe, a=dveditz
# [03:34] * jlebar is so happy he didn't let jst talk him into working on it.
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# [03:35] <philor> wow, how did 1.9.2 get so green?
# [03:35] <josh> I only figured that out today because Adobe gave me some excellent debug info.
# [03:35] <sheppy> philor: It's envious of all the more recent branches that get all the action.
# [03:36] <philor> "here, push to me, I hardly build anything and what I do I get right"
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# [03:36] <philor> now that someone finally hid or stopped running the talos suite that's been permared since August :)
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# [03:44] <@dveditz> philor: I have no idea why it's so green
# [03:44] <@dveditz> I was surprised, too
# [03:45] <@dveditz> (die, 3.6.x, die)
# [03:45] <philor> sometimes it seems like you get more green at slow times, but this sure isn't slow, and only a few of the slaves there are only doing 1.9.2, I think
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# [03:46] <philor> the 10.4 slaves, toiling away invisibly on &usetinderbox=1, but I think the rest are normal
# [03:47] <philor> oh, no, the 10.5 Mac slaves are abnormal too
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# [03:55] <hub> did something change? I suddenly no longer get the dialog about setting Nightly as my default browser....
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# [03:56] <philor> your default debug browser?
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# [03:57] <philor> dolske changed that, last night
# [03:57] <hub> oh
# [03:57] <hub> changed how?
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# [03:57] <hub> like if it is a debug browser it does not ask?
# [03:57] <philor> don't do the default browser check if debug
# [03:57] <hub> bummer
# [03:57] <hub> so I was about to debug that
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# [03:58] <hub> chicken and egg....
# [03:58] <hub> is there a way reenable it?
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# [03:59] <philor> hg qnew debug-default && hg backout -r 75ddbfb943c7
# [03:59] <barque> Guys, what happened to onkeyup() and onkeydown() in Firefox9!?
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# [03:59] <hub> *sigh*
# [04:00] <hub> special casing debug like that is a bad idea IMHO
# [04:00] <barque> can anyone hear me?
# [04:01] <hub> 10-4
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# [04:01] <Unfocused> hub: to re-enable the check and the dialog? flip browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser
# [04:01] <barque> 10-4 is a copy right/
# [04:01] <barque> so I wanna know ....
# [04:02] <barque> what happened to onkeyup() and onkeydown() for <body> in Firefox9 ?
# [04:02] <hub> Unfocused: it is set to true.
# [04:02] <Unfocused> oh, there's also UI for that in options - advanced - general
# [04:02] <hub> Unfocused: [x]
# [04:02] <hub> Unfocused: philor gave an answer that is more probable
# [04:03] <barque> am I being listened to?
# [04:03] <barque> Can someone say yes?
# [04:03] <Unfocused> barque: you're being listened to... but the people around to listen don't know
# [04:04] <barque> oh ok sorry I thought it was moderated or something
# [04:04] <barque> I got no response
# [04:04] <Unfocused> hub: er...? iirc, that's all that bug changed
# [04:05] <Unfocused> oh, no.. the patch changed since i looked at it :\
# [04:05] <hub> -#ifdef DEBUG
# [04:05] <hub> - var shouldCheck = false;
# [04:05] <hub> -#else
# [04:05] <hub> var shouldCheck = shell.shouldCheckDefaultBrowser;
# [04:05] <hub> -#endif
# [04:05] <hub> that's the backout diff
# [04:05] <gavin> why do you want your debug build to prompt you to be default?
# [04:06] <hub> gavin: because I need to figure out why it is not spoken by voiceover
# [04:06] <gavin> you mean the prompt?
# [04:06] <hub> yeah
# [04:06] <gavin> is your bug really specific to the default browser prompt, or is it all prompts?
# [04:06] <hub> possibly to others
# [04:07] <hub> but this is the simpliest way to test
# [04:07] <barque> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696020 <== does this mean it's gonna get fixed in Firefox 10?
# [04:07] <barque> Firefox 8 had another bug that was crashing my application (namely a memory leak in Core)
# [04:07] <nthomas> barque: yes
# [04:07] <barque> alright, I guess that's better news
# [04:07] <gavin> hub: how about cmd+shift+w with multiple tabs open?
# [04:08] <hub> gavin: requires pressing several keys first
# [04:08] * barque grumbles
# [04:08] <nthomas> barque: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/channel/ if you want to verify that
# [04:08] <hub> gavin: I backed out locally
# [04:08] <gavin> sounds good!
# [04:09] <hub> I just think that by having this special cased, you are gonna break it one day or the other...
# [04:09] <gavin> I think you've probably managed to find the one single case where somebody might possibly care :)
# [04:09] <dolske> indeed!
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# [04:45] <Aesthetic> hey people. Whom to talk to about Fx interfaces?
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# [04:46] <Aesthetic> I didn't find any channels like "interface" or "ui"
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# [04:50] <Aesthetic> thank you
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# [05:21] <njn> does anyone know about the relative memory consumption of (a) generating a page using DOM creation functions vs. (b) generating a page by creating a big HTML text fragment and then setting .innerHTML on a top-level element?
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# [05:33] <jdm> edmorley: could you CC me to any geolocation oranges you see?
# [05:33] <jdm> I didn't notice the new failure from the 11th
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# [05:33] <edmorley> jdm: sure :-)
# [05:33] <jdm> and I'm the guy doing most of the geolocation work right now
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# [05:34] <edmorley> philor: I hid it
# [05:34] <philor> edmorley: you didn't like my random quotations? :(
# [05:34] <jdm> edmorley: what does "finished in a non-clean fashion" mean?
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# [05:35] <edmorley> 302 philor
# [05:35] <philor> called finish in someone else's test
# [05:35] <edmorley> philor: and yes they did make me chuckle :-)
# [05:35] <edmorley> Oh yeah of course, the new warning that ehsan added
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# [05:37] <philor> bug 668728
# [05:39] * edmorley is trying to catch up on the enterprise list and is still only halfway through september :-/
# [05:39] <philor> wow, that's enterprising of you
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# [05:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3e6a0fe55650 - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 720601 - Update package manifests after renames and removals. r=fabrice DONTBUILD because NPOTB
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# [05:51] <philor> I sure hope ehsan doesn't ever notice that he's building DONTBUILD
# [05:51] <philor> since. like that, I find I'd rather see most of them built
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# [05:54] <mwu> oh, that one was actually technically POTB
# [05:54] <philor> yep
# [05:55] <Unfocused> *sigh* fresh checkout of m-c, clobber build, and it's crashing on startup
# [05:55] <mwu> but it's in ifdef'd MOZ_B2G_RIL stuff so.. things probably can't go wrong
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# [05:56] <philor> someone should write a thesis analyzing the correctness of our use of DONTBUILD
# [05:56] <philor> Unfocused: did packaging fail? :)
# [05:58] <Unfocused> philor: seems fine
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# [05:58] <Unfocused> i restarted to rule out any windows issues, so i don't have my build logs any more
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# [07:02] <dholbert> is autocomplete supposed to autocomplete to the first entry in the awesomebar?
# [07:02] <dholbert> s/entry/result/
# [07:04] <nigelb> autofill you mean?
# [07:04] <dholbert> 'cause it's not for me... in one case just now, it autocompleted to a completely different result (to a history-entry that wasn't even listed in my awesomebar results)
# [07:04] <dholbert> no, URL autocomplete
# [07:04] <dholbert> landed in nightlies yesterdayish
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# [07:04] <nigelb> if you gtyp "go", it completes to google.com thingy?
# [07:04] <nigelb> *type
# [07:04] <dholbert> exactly
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# [07:04] <dholbert> in this case, I'm e.g. typing in "foo" wanting to go to blah.com/foobar
# [07:05] <nigelb> ah
# [07:05] <dholbert> and autocomplete completes it to foosomethingelse.something.com
# [07:05] <nigelb> let me test that
# [07:05] <nigelb> yeah. doesn't work.
# [07:05] <Aesthetic> why do projects "new tab page" and "home tab" are two different ones? why not merge them into a single one?
# [07:05] <nigelb> it isn't autompleting if the url doesn't start with whatever I'm typing.
# [07:05] <dholbert> looks like it expects what you're typing to be a strict prefix of the domain
# [07:05] <dholbert> yeah
# [07:05] <dholbert> er of the URL
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# [07:07] <dholbert> I'm not a fan.. it gives me the impression that if I press "downarrow" to pick something else from awesomebar-results, the already-completed incorrect domain will result in my awesomebar
# [07:07] <Aesthetic> why does the about:home page use a hardcoded search engine? why it is not working as search bar, where you can switch between the installed search engines?
# [07:07] <dholbert> (that's not what happens -- but that's what I expect, and it makes me hesitant to press anything because I'm unsure of what it will do :))
# [07:08] <dholbert> Aesthetic, you can easily change it to something else
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# [07:09] <Aesthetic> dholbert, how?
# [07:09] <dholbert> Aesthetic, if you want a search bar, there's the search bar :)
# [07:09] <dholbert> Aesthetic, how? change your home page! :)
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# [07:09] <Aesthetic> i'd like to use this page as a home page
# [07:09] <Aesthetic> and I'd like this page to hook the installed search engines
# [07:10] <dholbert> Aesthetic, I'm sure that's possible for an extension to do -- we do it in other locales, for example
# [07:10] <dholbert> not sure whether it's easily user-configurable without an extension (it may be)
# [07:11] <Aesthetic> I know. And that is not comfortable at all. I use multiple search engines, why does this page uses only one?
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# [07:12] <Aesthetic> another general question: who the hell thought it's a great idea to make "new tab" button have a dynamic position by default? why it is not placed on a static position at left of tab-bar?
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# [07:13] <dholbert> Aesthetic, (RE about:home just using one search-engine) we're optimizing simplicity & for the typical user. For expert users, there are extensions.
# [07:13] <dholbert> & customization
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# [07:14] <Aesthetic> dholbert: then why not remove this page completely? it would be even more simple!
# [07:14] <dholbert> no...
# [07:14] <dholbert> Anyway, I don't have time to argue over silliness. :) I'm going afk
# [07:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c1fd381a7faa - Serge Gautherie - Bug 490384. (Dv1a) Improve and reenable test_bug466586.html. r=joe.
# [07:15] <Aesthetic> another general question: when you hide menu toolbar and enable App Button - why the hell Firefox thinks I want to hide title of the page too? There is plenty of free space at right from App Button, why not use it?
# [07:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/965f4bc3fc21 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 718545. (Av1) browser_keyevents_during_autoscrolling.js: Use EventUtils sendChar() and sendKey(), instead of synthesizeKey(). r=enndeakin.
# [07:15] <dholbert> Aesthetic, and if you're curious about how easy it'd be to customize the about:home URL, I tracked it as far as here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/aboutHome.js#179
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# [07:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3be494e4cc8f - Serge Gautherie - Bug 720071. (Av1a) Fix windows/nsFilePicker to actually be buildable using "--with-windows-version=502". r=jmathies.
# [07:16] <dholbert> Aesthetic, (feel free to poke around further from there. looks like the next step is to see how localStorage["Search-engine"] gets set, possibly)
# [07:16] <Aesthetic> dholbert: not easy at all: tl; dr
# [07:17] <Aesthetic> you are right that things should be simple. This page should simply hook the installed search engines.
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# [07:18] <Aesthetic> if user has multiple search engines - he probably uses some of them, so why limit him? why make a page with a limited abilities?
# [07:18] <sfink> Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll complain that he'd rather eat chicken.
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# [07:20] <Aesthetic> This is funny, but this can't be used as a valid thesis when people are arguing
# [07:21] <dholbert> Aesthetic, I wasn't so much trying to argue as trying to help you solve your problem (wanting a different search engine on about:home) :)
# [07:21] <dholbert> sfink++
# [07:21] <dholbert> anyway, /me afk for realsies now
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# [07:21] <Aesthetic> I have no problems, dholbert
# [07:22] <Aesthetic> why is the toolbar that contains App Button is not customizable? it's empty, why can't I put some indicators or buttons there?
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# [07:23] <Aesthetic> another general question: why is addonbar using whole width of the window? I have plenty of buttons there and they still occupy less than 50% of it, so I have >50% of free space on addonbar. Why not make addonbar have dynamic width?
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# [07:24] <Aesthetic> in case you fear that it will lay above some significant content of the page - you can add a button to hide/show this toolbar quickly. Plus, you may add a timer for auto-hiding this bar when it's not used for some period of time.
# [07:26] <sfink> Aesthetic: this is probably the wrong channel for these sorts of UI questions. I'm not sure which one would be best; #fx-team, maybe? (Though probably not many people are around right now on either channel.) You might also get better results with a more tactful approach. You're coming across as aggressive and argumentative. If you have suggestions for improvement, I suspect you'll get a...
# [07:26] <sfink> ...better response if you phrase them as such.
# [07:26] <Aesthetic> i asked those questions on #ux channel and got no answers there
# [07:26] <Aesthetic> so I'm asking them now here
# [07:27] <sfink> Ok. It's not a great time for the PDT timezone, though.
# [07:27] <glob> Aesthetic, most of the UX team are probably AFK currently; you could try there in about 12 hours time
# [07:27] <Aesthetic> plus, I've talked to beltzner and he said that there are not strict teams of developers, and the same people do different sorts of things
# [07:27] <Aesthetic> so it's okay to post here
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# [07:28] <Aesthetic> otherwise it would be funny to ask - why there were no changes in the interface for past half year
# [07:29] <Aesthetic> I believe if something like that would happen in Google - the manager of UX team would be just fired
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# [07:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cfaee7b043f7 - Olli Pettay - Bug 720423 - Add NS_DECL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_SKIPPABLE_SCRIPT_HOLDER_CLASS_INHERITED, r=mccr8
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# [08:07] <philor> fortunately, we use those exclusively in copy-paste coding
# [08:07] <limi_should_quit> can anyone tell me - is it possible in Firefox to make it save login+password pairs based on input fields "ID", not "name" attribute?
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# [08:08] <dolske> limi_should_quit: nice nick
# [08:09] <limi_should_quit> dolske, thank you, yours is funny too
# [08:10] <WeirdAl> hehe
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# [08:11] <glob> limi_blah_blah, http://stackoverflow.com/q/2398763/953
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# [08:13] <limi_should_quit> g_ob: that's not related to my problem.
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# [08:13] <drugoy_should_reveal_himself> i like my nick :P
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# [08:14] <limi_should_quit> haha jaws :D
# [08:14] <darktrojan> indecent exposure
# [08:14] <nigelb> I'm tempted to /nick to someone_kick_limi
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# [08:14] <nigelb> :P
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# [08:15] <limi_should_quit> jaws: you said you went to sleep, and that was the reason you stopped answering my uncomfortable questions
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# [08:15] <dolske> please troll elsewhere, this is all offtopic for #developers.
# [08:15] <drugoy_should_reveal_himself> please leave
# [08:15] <limi_should_quit> nah thx
# [08:15] <limi_should_quit> you leave
# [08:15] <limi_should_quit> :D
# [08:16] <limi_should_quit> seriously, ux team is a bunch of lazy people who just pretend that they work
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# [08:16] <dolske> alright, we're done here. if you can't be civil, go somewhere else.
# [08:17] <limi_should_quit> I am civil
# [08:17] <limi_should_quit> it's you who started trolling
# [08:18] <jaws> no you're not civil. you're just wasting peoples time and stopping people from using this and other channels.
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# [08:18] <limi_should_quit> jaws: no, you.
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# [08:19] <dumitru> limi_should_quit: please stop harrassing people now
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# [08:19] <limi_should_quit> jaws: you are just hostile towards any user who wants to know why the hell there is no progress in Firefox UI for last half year
# [08:20] <limi_should_quit> dumitru: please stop writing nonsense
# [08:20] <dumitru> limi_should_quit: people complained about you, and I warned you nice. your reply is not helping you
# [08:21] <dumitru> don't be offtopic and everybody will be happy
# [08:21] <dumitru> thank you.
# [08:22] <limi_should_quit> dumitru: people always complain about something.
# [08:22] <gavin> I thought we'd made some useful progress in encouraging you to be constructive the other day
# [08:23] <limi_should_quit> gavin: the day you and beltzner left me alone with my unanswered questions?
# [08:23] <limi_should_quit> or next few days after that, when limi didn't even visit that channel?
# [08:23] <philor> I think you may have thought incorrectly
# [08:24] <gavin> frankly if you expect that anyone who just shows up on IRC is instantly granted undivided attention for whatever they might want to say, your expectations are a little off
# [08:24] <limi_should_quit> seriously, is limi a volunteer or he get paid?
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# [08:24] <limi_should_quit> frankly I expected that there is some kind of organization among mozdevs
# [08:24] <flx_> Anyone have any idea on how to force Flash to hang?
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# [08:24] <robarnold> flx_: load a swf that runs ActionScript in an infinite loop?
# [08:25] <WeirdAl> thanks gavin
# [08:25] <jaws> thank you gavin
# [08:25] <jaws> gavin++
# [08:25] <dolske> *golfclap*
# [08:25] <jaws> hehe
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# [08:26] <qDot> Aw man, right before I got to /nick i_am_sparticus_i_mean_limi
# [08:26] <jaws> lol
# [08:26] <WeirdAl> hopefully someone will remind him that it's past 11pm Pacific time, so a lot of the people leave their IRC clients connected and idle... and thus aren't really here
# [08:26] <jaws> no point in educating him
# [08:26] <glob> WeirdAl, he was told that
# [08:27] <dumitru> it's IRC netiquette, don't expect to be a live chat with your computer shop
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# [08:27] * dumitru remembers the good old days of Undernet and DALnet
# [08:28] <hsivonen> do we have functionality that's built for XULRunner but not Firefox?
# [08:28] * jaws remembers the good old days of hieroglyphics chat
# [08:29] * darktrojan isn't that old :-P
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# [08:29] <smontagu> jaws: go ahead, hieroglyphics are defined in unicode already
# [08:29] <jaws> :P
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# [08:42] <@dbaron> philor, so, um, that backout on mozilla-inbound...
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# [08:43] <philor> dbaron: which one, the backout, the backout of the backout, or the rebackout?
# [08:43] <@dbaron> philor, things seem a bit unhappy as a result
# [08:43] <@dbaron> philor, oh, I just reloaded
# [08:43] <@dbaron> philor, do you expect things are safe now?
# [08:44] <philor> apparently while qbackout is a lovely thing for making it easy to do backouts, it's not a lovely thing for actually doing thing like adding files that are readded by the backout
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# [08:44] <@dbaron> philor, what's qbackout?
# [08:44] <sfink> yeah, what idiot wrote that?
# [08:44] <philor> dbaron: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/444aae098b6a sure seems to added the checkerboard back, so.. probably safe
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# [08:45] <philor> what idiot *used* it, without actually looking at out -p?
# [08:46] <@dbaron> ah, https://bitbucket.org/sfink/qbackout/overview , I suppose, once I tell google I really do want to search for "qbackout"
# [08:47] <philor> still quicker than me, as I fight the addressbar over what I want it to show me
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# [08:49] <philor> I really should have just left it in, nobody would actually notice permared Android talos
# [08:49] <@dbaron> oh, wait, one of these patches is still waiting for review
# [08:49] <@dbaron> I guess I'll have to land another day, then
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# [09:08] <sfink> (qbackout add/remove bug now fixed)
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# [09:09] <zpao> philor: i'm torn between letting this orange get to 1000 comments and landing a fix...
# [09:10] <gavin> zpao: did you see my comment amongst the orangespam?
# [09:10] <zpao> gavin: no
# [09:10] * zpao searches
# [09:10] <philor> zpao: I'm with gavin, unconvinced that it'll really fix it, but I can still find another 36, even if you cross-commit to every tree :)
# [09:11] <philor> #c952
# [09:11] <zpao> i was unconvinced that it would work until i did it
# [09:11] <philor> in the sense of "gavin's comment is 952" rather than "you should join the c952 channel"
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# [09:12] <zpao> did something change in november about setTimeout? (wasn't there somthing about timer stuff in background windows/tabs?)
# [09:12] <gavin> oh yeah maybe
# [09:12] <philor> one thing I discovered while I was starring try yesterday is that you can find any old failure you want, from people pushing from month or two month or three month old trees
# [09:12] <zpao> that's the only thing i could think that would make this explode
# [09:12] <zpao> philor: that's cheating :)
# [09:12] <glob> :P
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# [09:13] <philor> dude, I'm starring *try* to inflate the comment count, and you're talking about just some things on try being cheating?
# [09:14] <philor> extremism in the pursuit of c1000 is no vice, as Barry Goldwater used to say after he gave up politics and took up test QA
# [09:14] <zpao> philor: ooohh i misread that. i thought you were going back through old pushes to try, not people pushing now with stale trees
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# [09:15] <philor> yeah, I'd do that too, but since the long ago rewrite to make tbpl only go back while keeping the tip, and reloading it all, there's no way I could
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# [09:16] <philor> I guess with fromchange= and tochange=, but even I have limits, probably, unless I get stuck in the 990s
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# [09:16] <gavin> zpao: maybe bug 697250?
# [09:18] <zpao> philor: maybe i'll wait until it's light out, get a few more in
# [09:18] <zpao> gavin: that landed in the beginning of november & this exploded late november
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# [09:18] <philor> zpao: -inbound it, there's plenty of time before it gets merged around
# [09:19] <philor> plus I've got two other candidates for a run at 1000
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# [09:20] <gavin> zpao: you can reproduce the issue locally?
# [09:20] <hsivonen> what's the quickest way to printf an UTF-16 string from a TestHarness.h-based test?
# [09:20] <zpao> gavin: yea, it's pretty much 100% of the time on linux
# [09:20] <hsivonen> it seems that TestHarness.h tests aren't allowed to include UTFConvert.h
# [09:21] <ewong> khuey: ping
# [09:21] <gavin> zpao: so does newWin.setTimeout fix it?
# [09:21] <zpao> oh locally locally, no (linux box is at the office)
# [09:21] <gavin> hsivonen: what kind of UTF-16 string?
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# [09:22] <hsivonen> gavin: nsString
# [09:23] <gavin> NS_UTF16toUTF8(foo).get()?
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# [09:23] <khuey> ewong: pong
# [09:24] <ewong> khuey can you have a look at this and tell me what it means? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1460266
# [09:24] <zpao> gavin: i wont be in tomorrow (and i don't think i have it set up for vnc) so i can check on wednesday.
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# [09:25] <zpao> philor: looks like i'm getting tree-blocked. 1000 should be pretty easy now :)
# [09:27] <khuey> ewong: sure, just a sec
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# [09:28] <ewong> khuey: thanks!
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# [09:28] <ewong> khuey: or maybe I should attach the patch for feedback?
# [09:29] <khuey> ewong: sure
# [09:29] <khuey> pastebin is fine for that too
# [09:29] <ewong> ok.. will pastebin the patch then
# [09:29] <nigelb> was there a plan to have a about: page for hangs?
# [09:30] <nigelb> I have vague memories of seeing a discussion
# [09:30] <hsivonen> gavin: thanks. NS_ConvertUTF16toUTF8 is available. I see no logic in what's available and what's not.
# [09:30] <Yoric> nigelb: I think vladan was working on something related.
# [09:30] <ewong> khuey: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1460268
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# [09:30] <nigelb> Yoric: ah, thanks!
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# [09:32] <philor> sfink: so, what syntax at the prompt actually lets you pick more than one patch to qimportbz? I have a vague memory of having hit the same-name thing, but last time I tried, none of 1-3 or 1:3 or 1,2,3 seemed to actually work to even hit the same-name thing
# [09:34] <sfink> philor: 1,2,3 should work. I have an r+ patch I haven't bothered to push yet that would make 1-3 work.
# [09:34] <sfink> philor: and I'm in bed, far from my computer right now, so you're imagining this conversation
# [09:34] <Yoric> Do contributors need to sign anything?
# [09:34] <Yoric> Or is it only for people who want access to hg?
# [09:35] <philor> ah, 1, 2, 3 works, 1,2,3 doesn't
# [09:35] <sfink> really? wtf?
# [09:35] <philor> qimport bz:701002
# [09:35] <philor> oh, wait, you're away from the computer ;)
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# [09:36] <philor> um, and now 1,2,3 does work, interesting
# [09:36] <glob> bmo has just been updated, http://bugzil.la/716109,718540,719704,719363,720530
# [09:37] <khuey> Yoric: no
# [09:37] <sfink> philor: tomorrow I will wake up and try it, to discover that both "1,2,3" and "1, 2, 3" work fine for me, and I will feel glad that I didn't bother trying it the previous night
# [09:38] <Yoric> khuey: thanks
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# [09:41] <khuey> ewong: does nsDOMEventTargetHelper have the NS_DECL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_SCRIPT_HOLDER_CLASS_INHERITED macro?
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# [09:50] <hsivonen> something tells me no one has ever used DOM to plain text serializer with line-wrapped output
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# [09:53] <philor> they might have: just because it doesn't work doesn't mean mailnews isn't using it anyway
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# [09:53] <ewong> khuey: hmm
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# [09:54] <philor> bless you msys, "find: Filesystem loop detected; `./dist/firefox/chrome/en-US/locale/en-US/global/layout' is part of the same filesystem loop as `./dist/firefox/chrome/en-US/locale/en-US/global/layout'."
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# [09:55] <philor> best red build evar
# [09:55] <hsivonen> philor: mailnews uses it in the content sink mode--not as a DOM serializer
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# [09:55] <hsivonen> I'm removing the content sink mode, so now the DOM serializer mode needs to work for real
# [09:56] <kinetik> khuey: will you have a chance to review the build bits of bug 623444 soonish?
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# [09:56] <khuey> kinetik: maybe
# [09:56] <khuey> I've been on vacation, and am at a work week now
# [09:56] <khuey> but I can probably squeeze it in
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# [09:57] <kinetik> khuey: i can try ted or someone if you're busy
# [09:58] <khuey> kinetik: I'd suggest asking ted, but he might be even more busy
# [09:58] <khuey> kinetik: we want this before the branch?
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# [10:00] <kinetik> khuey: well, the plan was to switch back to the old code at branch time, so actually it probably can wait now
# [10:00] <ewong> khuey no.. but NS_DECL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_SCRIPT_HOLDER_CLASS_INHERITED requires two parameters?
# [10:02] <khuey> ewong: the class name and the class we're inheriting from, yes
# [10:02] <khuey> kinetik: I can have the review done by sunday
# [10:02] <khuey> since I have a 9 hour flight on saturday
# [10:02] <khuey> can't promise anything before that though
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# [10:03] <kinetik> khuey: that sounds good, the best time to land it now would be right after the branch, so that timing would work well
# [10:03] <khuey> ok
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# [10:14] <glazou> bonjour
# [10:14] <ewong> khuey: so it'd be | NS_DECL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_SCRIPT_HOLDER_CLASS_INHERITED(nsDOMEventTargetHelper, nsIDOMEventTarget)| ?
# [10:15] <khuey> ewong: doh
# [10:15] <khuey> ewong: that one shouldn't use the inherited one :-)
# [10:15] <khuey> sorry about that
# [10:15] * Yoric likes that macro name.
# [10:15] <khuey> it wants NS_DECL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_SCRIPT_HOLDER_CLASS(nsDOMEventTargetHelper)
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# [10:15] <ewong> ooh..
# [10:16] <glazou> has anyone ever written a xpcom component to create/deal with an OS X statusbar icon and menu?
# [10:16] <glazou> (i mean the system statusbar at top)
# [10:16] <dolske> NS_DECL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_SCRIPT_HOLDER_CLASS_SPECIAL_SAUCE_LETTUCE_CHEESE_PICKLES_ONIONS_ON_A_SESAMEE_SEED_BUN()
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# [10:27] <hsivonen> nsPlainTextSerializer is sad-making
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# [10:29] <@smaug> hsivonen: we should probably have two kinds of serializers. non-configurable really fast for browser usage, and configurable, but slower for editors
# [10:30] <hsivonen> smaug: yes
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# [10:32] <@smaug> glazou might have something to say about serializers
# [10:32] <@smaug> like, what all features are needed
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# [10:33] <hsivonen> in particular, it's sad how many time nsPlainTextSerializer copies text
# [10:34] <hsivonen> *times
# [10:36] <darktrojan> is it in detention?
# [10:38] <hsivonen> darktrojan: it should be!
# [10:38] <@smaug> hsivonen: though, is plaintextserializer really perf critical?
# [10:39] <@smaug> htmlserializer is
# [10:39] <hsivonen> smaug: not sure. isn't in involved in textarea?
# [10:39] <hsivonen> smaug: regardless of perf, the copying makes the code structure suck
# [10:40] <hsivonen> s/isn't in/isn't it/
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# [10:40] <@smaug> hsivonen: how is textarea relevant?
# [10:41] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, why were you looking for DOOM 3 Validation?
# [10:41] <@smaug> perhaps for copy-pasting, but that isn't perf-critical usually
# [10:41] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: I was reading your email
# [10:42] <hsivonen> smaug: I suspected we run plain text serialization every time a text area appears somewhere
# [10:42] <hsivonen> smaug: maybe not *critical*
# [10:42] <Ms2ger> The idea was to get people to stop reading it, not to start ;)
# [10:42] <hsivonen> smaug: but still on Web path
# [10:43] <hsivonen> smaug: Anyway, right now, I'm trying to make the output not regress
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# [10:43] <hsivonen> smaug: I'll leave making the code not suck to a follow-up
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# [10:46] <@smaug> why would we use text serialization for textarea ?
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# [10:52] <hsivonen> smaug: I'll have to investigate if we really do, but IIRC the plain text editor is really a DOM-based editor
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# [11:06] <Yoric> gavin: I am r?-ing plenty of patches related to nsSearchService.js to you - don't hesitate to bounce them to someone else (or back to me) if you don't feel that you are the right person for that review.
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# [11:10] <@smaug> hsivonen: text editor or textarea?
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# [11:11] <@smaug> hsivonen: textarea has a <div> and #text inside it
# [11:11] <@smaug> that #text gets changed
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# [11:14] <hsivonen> smaug: not sure. all I know so far is that my plain text conversion changes caused asserts to fire in reftests
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# [11:24] <mrbkap> hsivonen: ping?
# [11:24] <Cwiiis> Does anyone know if there's any work going on to improve the download manager in Linux? I saw ages ago that Mac got the nice downloads button, but the UX is still not great on Linux (and Windows?)
# [11:27] <Cwiiis> of course, they're all 32-bit builds... Guess I'll be building firefox then
# [11:28] <hsivonen> mrbkap: pong
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# [11:30] <Cwiiis> seems as soon as it tries to run a test, it gets command not found... But it doesn't tell me which command it didn't find... Something to do with pushing the profile I guess, which fails
# [11:31] <Cwiiis> er, wrong channel
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# [11:39] <mrbkap> hsivonen: Hey, mind nuking NS_GENERIC_FACTORY_CONSTRUCTOR(nsLoggingSink) in nsParserModule.cpp?
# [11:40] <mrbkap> hsivonen: it warns in debug builds and is a reminder of a time that we are quickly leaving behind.
# [11:41] <hsivonen> mrbkap: Ms2ger might already be nuking it.
# [11:41] <hsivonen> mrbkap: I'll remove it if Ms2ger isn't already nuking it
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# [11:41] <mrbkap> hsivonen: ah, ok.
# [11:41] <mrbkap> thanks!
# [11:42] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: Are you nuking it already?
# [11:42] * KaiRo listenes in on another channel and learns that sync is sync but should by async - we should rewrite it and call it "Firefox Async" then ;-)
# [11:47] <hsivonen> we have a libsnappy?
# [11:49] <@smaug> hsivonen: something to do with indexdb, IIRC
# [11:49] <@smaug> bent: ^^
# [11:49] <@smaug> indexeddb even
# [11:49] <bent> well, we use it there, but it's available for anyone
# [11:53] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, I can
# [11:54] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: I have a patch going by now
# [11:55] <Ms2ger> Good
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# [12:04] <hsivonen> mrbkap: patch in bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720650
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# [12:14] <whimboo> smaug: will you be able to check-in your patch for the focus manager or should I add checkin-needed?
# [12:14] <Ms2ger> mounir, https://twitter.com/#!/richtibbett/status/161764684528238592
# [12:14] <@smaug> whimboo: could you please add checkin-needed
# [12:14] <whimboo> smaug: sure. will do
# [12:15] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: I wonder if Samsung et al. are happy not to be counted as browser vendors
# [12:15] <mounir> Ms2ger: cool :)
# [12:15] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, Sam-who? ;)
# [12:16] <whimboo> smaug: oh i cannot because there is no commit message set
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# [12:24] <Ms2ger> Ah, separators = (',', ': ')
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# [12:27] <whimboo> smaug: so it would be great if you could update the patch or check it in yourself
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# [12:40] <mak> smontagu: your patches are not building on Mac
# [12:41] <mak> smontagu: "Typelibs contain definitions of interface nsIDocCharset with different IIDs"
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# [12:41] <mak> smontagu: may it need a clobber? looks working on other platforms
# [12:44] <Ms2ger> Maybe
# [12:45] <mak> trying
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# [13:35] <ted> kinetik: my review queue is not too bad right now, feel free to toss it my way
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# [14:12] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: i figured out what causes my windows to get shown when calling ww.openWindow
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# [14:12] <ejpbruel> somewhere in OpenWindowJSInternal there is a call to SizeOpenedDocShell, which sets up the size of the window and then calls SetVisible(true)
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# [14:15] <NeilAway> ejpbruel: ooh
# [14:15] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: so my idea right now is to add a 'visible' flag to the feature string, that skips that call to SizeOpenedDocShell
# [14:16] * NeilAway would want it to skip window watcher registration as well
# [14:16] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: i was just thinking about that, do you know how that mechanism works?
# [14:17] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: i assume you're talking about not making the window show in the OS window list?
# [14:17] <NeilAway> ejpbruel: well, we have various internal window lists, I'm not sure whether you want your hidden window to appear (!) in them ;-)
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# [14:24] <Ms2ger> m.d.plan... (18971)
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# [14:25] <Ms2ger> OK, who started a flamewar?
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# [14:41] <edmorley> mak: the upgrade to mercurial 2+ really seems to have made a difference :-)
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# [14:42] <mak> nice
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# [14:42] <mak> I pulled and updated 60 changesets instantly
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# [14:47] <edmorley> mak: yeah :-) bug 623505 14th jan
# [14:48] <mak> this means I've not pushed much stuff in the last 10 days! too bad
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# [14:51] <@smaug> bent: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/security/manager/ssl/src/nsSmartCardEvent.h
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# [15:03] <ejpbruel> smaug: ping
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# [15:12] <lurking> about:jank ? I get "The URL is not valid and cannot be loaded."
# [15:12] <lurking> latest m-c hourly win32
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# [15:13] <Ms2ger> An addon, iirc
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# [15:13] <lurking> ok, thanks -
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# [15:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/294722039fc9 - Tim Taubert - Fix backout of bug 455553
# [15:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/70fafe57af70 - Tim Taubert - merge fx-team to m-c
# [15:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/10825497af66 - Paul Rouget - Bug 566092 - Inspector highlight doesn't handle reflows correctly; r=rcampbell
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# [15:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fd894e4a7569 - Dao Gottwald - Bug 719849 - global variables pollute the browser window during devtools tests; r=rcampbell
# [15:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5591b74cdf31 - Gavin Sharp - Remove outdated reference to "build configurator" webtool, rs=khuey, no bug
# [15:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8ce7e49ce593 - Gavin Sharp - Bug 719254: rename nsBrowserGlue's onBrowserStartup to something more descriptive of what it actually represents (windows have been restored), r=dao
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# [15:26] <@smaug> ejpbruel: pong
# [15:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1982c882af0f - Ben Hearsum - Bug 607389 - generate partial updates at build time for releases. DONTBUILD
# [15:26] <ejpbruel> smaug: so i finally figured out how to make windows hidden :)
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# [15:26] <ejpbruel> smaug: now i also need to make sure that they dont show up in the window list on windows
# [15:27] <ejpbruel> smaug: would you happen to know anything about how window registration works? or should i ask benjamin?
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# [15:28] <@smaug> ejpbruel: I know nothing about that. I'd look at how it all works with the normal hidden window
# [15:28] <ejpbruel> smaug: alright. thanks anyway :)
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# [15:34] <smontagu> mak: thx
# [15:34] <woody4u> hi
# [15:34] <woody4u> i have a short question to indexedDB: the spec(w3c) says i can use something like foo.bar as keyPath when creating an additional index, but it seems firefox doenst support this
# [15:34] <woody4u> is this a bug or a feature?
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# [15:36] <Ms2ger> woody4u, which version?
# [15:36] <woody4u> 9.0.1
# [15:36] <Ms2ger> That's been implemented since then
# [15:36] <bent> should be in 10 or 11, can't remember which
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# [15:36] <bent> khuey thinks 11
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# [15:37] <bent> woody4u, you can try an aurora/beta version
# [15:37] <woody4u> ok i will try. thx for the information
# [15:37] <Ms2ger> ...jpake.c:522: undefined reference to `PORT_SetError_stub'
# [15:37] <Ms2ger> Clobber nss, right?
# [15:38] <sheppy> woody4u: fwiw, according to the documentation queue, that is indeed Firefox 11.
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# [15:52] <protz> Ms2ger: yes
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# [15:52] <Ms2ger> protz, thanks
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# [16:05] <Bas> I'm trying to debug a memory leak on mac, doed anyone have any idea why with a --enable-trace-malloc build, a run with --shutdown-leaks would report a big malloc/free imbalance, but the log file is completely empty?
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# [16:22] <jprmc> bsmedberg: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Identity/Features/In-browser_sign-in_UI
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# [16:24] <Bas> Oh no! The docs actually mention it in a small footnote!!
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# [16:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/0219ac257e3c - ffxbld - Automated checkin: version bump for firefox 3.6.26 release. CLOSED TREE a=release
# [16:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/e4927cb80182 - ffxbld - Added tag FIREFOX_3_6_26_BUILD1 for changeset 982f9c134751. CLOSED TREE a=release
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# [16:25] <@bsmedberg> ted: you don't need to initialize static variables, they auto-init to 0
# [16:25] <Bas> bsmedberg: There's something to be said for explicit initialization though :s dunno.
# [16:25] <ted> i did not know that
# [16:26] <ted> kinda crazy
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# [16:27] <ejpbruel> bsmedberg: hey, spare a few mins? :)
# [16:27] <@bsmedberg> ejpbruel: in meetings, probably not for a while
# [16:28] <ejpbruel> bsmedberg: ok. thanks for letting me know!
# [16:30] <@khuey> Ms2ger: do you have anything to do with the xhr spec?
# [16:30] <Ms2ger> Not much, why?
# [16:30] <@khuey> cause we're discovering that it speaks an old dialect of webidl
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# [16:31] <Ms2ger> Heh
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# [16:31] <Ms2ger> khuey, where?
# [16:32] <@khuey> Ms2ger: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/xhr/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#interface-xmlhttprequest
# [16:32] <@khuey> Ms2ger: things like 'attribute Function?'
# [16:33] <Ms2ger> What's wrong with that?
# [16:33] <Ms2ger> You know Function is defined in HTML?
# [16:33] <@khuey> it is?
# [16:33] <Ms2ger> Yep
# [16:34] <Ms2ger> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/webappapis.html#function
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# [16:35] <Ms2ger> khuey, you know, if you'd clicked the link... ;)
# [16:35] <@khuey> Ms2ger: didn't FunctionOnly get removed?
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# [16:35] <Ms2ger> Hrm
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# [16:36] <Ms2ger> Oh!
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# [16:36] <@bsmedberg> ted: can I just add a "no OOM annotation" check to one of the existing unit tests?
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# [16:37] <jwatt> can someone increase the timeout when you click on a failure in tbpl and it goes off to fetch the log?
# [16:37] <jwatt> for me it almost always times out, and fails to suggest bugs
# [16:37] <Ms2ger> khuey, read "callback Function = any(any... arguments);"
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# [16:38] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase234.xhtml - I guess I should file a bug for this, unless someone knows offhand of something it should be duped against
# [16:38] <Ms2ger> khuey, I filed https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15694
# [16:38] <nemo> I noticed this while trying to reproduce an issue with vanishing borders in recent nightlies that seems to have, well, vanished :)
# [16:39] <ted> bsmedberg: yeah, that's fine
# [16:39] <Ms2ger> nemo, cc bernd, I think
# [16:40] <nemo> Ms2ger: so. new bug?
# [16:40] <Ms2ger> I don't know, but he would
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# [16:41] <Bas> Ugh, my trace malloc runs just crash, argh!
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# [16:46] <nemo> Ms2ger: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720701 - welp. there ya go :)
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# [16:58] <Bas> How do I disable scripts timing out?
# [16:58] <nemo> Ms2ger: BTW. how do I cc bernd?
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# [17:03] <@smaug> Bas: I think dom.max_chrome_script_run_time or dom.max_script_run_time
# [17:03] <@smaug> er, hmm
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# [17:03] <@smaug> maybe not
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# [17:05] <Bas> smaug The problem is trace-malloc makes my build -so- slow scripts keep timing out everywhere :P
# [17:05] <@smaug> Bas: oh yes, those should work
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# [17:07] <@smaug> Bas: you could set those to be 0xFFFFFFFF
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# [17:08] <@smaug> or 0
# [17:09] <@smaug> apparently 0 ends up converted to 0x40000000
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# [17:14] <Bas> Heh :)
# [17:14] <Bas> Thanks
# [17:14] <Bas> I'm still waiting for my build to respond to anything :P heh. I think I managed to type in a URL in 20 minutes.
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# [17:19] <gaston> hah, got a mail from 'BMO' with subject 'Account temporarily suspended'
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# [17:20] <gaston> i was wondering wtf i did wrong i nbugzilla
# [17:20] <gaston> but of course it's a bank of montreal phising :)
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# [17:21] <jwir3> has anyone noticed crashing or other problems re: flash in recent nightlies? I'm having trouble specifically with hulu hanging my nightly on windows 7
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# [17:28] <Ms2ger> sicking!
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# [17:28] <jandem> jlebar|lunch: got some SM red (Windows build error)
# [17:30] <Waldo> so, should I retrigger the win64 red on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=f7cd9da8b89d or what?
# [17:30] <philor> bhearsum|buildduty: ^
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# [17:31] * philor doesn't, knowing it will be a clone timeout
# [17:31] * Ms2ger wonders if he'll ever get green on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=f4b2e9237908
# [17:31] <nemo> Ms2ger: how do I cc bernd in bmo?
# [17:32] <Waldo> o/~ it's not easy being green o/~
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# [17:32] <nemo> just "bernd" ?
# [17:32] <jwir3> nemo: Try typing :bernd
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# [17:32] <jwir3> nemo: It should auto-complete after a few seconds
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# [17:32] <bhearsum|buildduty> philor: man, those logs are hard to parse
# [17:32] <Ms2ger> bernd.mielke@gmx.de?
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# [17:32] <nemo> jwir3: no javascript
# [17:32] <nemo> thanks Ms2ger
# [17:32] <jwir3> nemo: ah, sry
# [17:33] <Ms2ger> jwir3, also, no :bernd
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# [17:33] <philor> bhearsum|buildduty: if it's red, you're looking for "failed ("
# [17:33] <bhearsum|buildduty> yeah
# [17:34] <bhearsum|buildduty> i just mean parsing the hgtool.py output is hard
# [17:34] <bhearsum|buildduty> because, for example, the mirror failures are ignorable
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# [17:34] <jandem> "error C2061: syntax error : identifier 'uint32'" -> this should be uint32_t nowadays I think /cc Waldo
# [17:34] <philor> which is just what I expected, 500 from the mirror, falling back to the master, 61 minutes is not long enough to clone try
# [17:35] <@bsmedberg> ugh
# [17:35] <bhearsum|buildduty> philor: hmm
# [17:35] <Waldo> jandem: depends on context, unfortunately; we don't use uint32_t yet, universally :-\
# [17:35] <@bsmedberg> do we need to reset try?
# [17:35] <bhearsum|buildduty> philor: that timeout should be an idle timeout, not the full time of the step...
# [17:35] <philor> that's the case four out of five times for win64, so if you're retriggering, I'd recommend hitting it four times, do 'em in parallel
# [17:35] <bhearsum|buildduty> hah
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# [17:37] <jandem> Waldo: ok, true
# [17:37] <Waldo> certainly anything involving JSAPI must be uint32_t, tho
# [17:37] * Waldo can't wait until msvc10 is the oldest Windows compiler we support
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# [17:38] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&jobname=WINNT%206.1%20x86-64
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# [17:39] <philor> maybe a little optimistic, but it was 1 in 5 green Sunday through Monday morning
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# [17:41] <philor> looks like 09:44 yesterday was the last one to succeed
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# [17:41] <bhearsum|buildduty> ugh
# [17:42] <bhearsum|buildduty> ok, we can bump that timeout...
# [17:42] <philor> so 1 in 44 - Waldo, are you *sure* you need Win64?
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# [17:42] <Waldo> philor: yes, I need win64 pgo :-\
# [17:42] <edmorley> win64 is busted on inbound btw
# [17:42] <bhearsum|buildduty> it's really not a supported platform yet, even...
# [17:43] <edmorley> (cue philor cracking open the champagne)
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# [17:43] <Waldo> philor, bhearsum|buildduty: specifically, https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/f4469fd7f312 very clearly needs full Windows testing, as it's attempting to remove a Windows-specific hackaround
# [17:43] <Ms2ger> Hide it, then champagne
# [17:43] <Ms2ger> armenzg will fix it
# [17:44] <philor> wow, looks like inbound is busted on inbound, Win32 is pending since 05:45
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# [17:45] <Ms2ger> Would be weird if inbound was busted on central
# [17:45] <bhearsum|buildduty> heh
# [17:45] <Ms2ger> Then it would be like fx-team
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# [17:45] <bhearsum|buildduty> philor: looking into the windows issue
# [17:45] <armenzg> I gave up on win64 long time ago
# [17:46] <Waldo> always nice to know the European hours have their own comedy team, since the dolske/jhammel/me trio are mostly on during North American hours
# [17:46] <Ms2ger> armenzg, good, then we can stop building it
# [17:46] <armenzg> Ms2ger: if no one complains I would not mind at all
# [17:46] <edmorley> Ms2ger++
# [17:47] <Ms2ger> Want to bring it up somewhere?
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# [17:47] <philor> what was the conclusion of all that tl;dr stuff about whether or not the product team wanted it to be tier 1?
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# [17:48] <armenzg> philor: it went no where
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# [17:48] <armenzg> asa grabbed some feedback from devs
# [17:48] <armenzg> but not sure where he took it
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# [17:49] <armenzg> if there is someone who cares about win64 we should create a project branch for him/her and they can maintain it there
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# [17:52] <Waldo> wesj: you can if you want
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# [17:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ed9d9eb609ba - Serge Gautherie - Bug 720095. (Av1a-mochitest) Fix some strict warnings and nits. r=ted.mielczarek.
# [17:52] * Waldo intends to keep using the old headers until the switchover, just so he doesn't have to be the guinea pig
# [17:52] <bhearsum|buildduty> philor: ah, looks like windows machines are all doing nightlies...
# [17:52] <bhearsum|buildduty> l10n ones, that is
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# [17:53] <wesj> Waldo: heh. thanks
# [17:53] <bhearsum|buildduty> try isn't affected because it's a different pool of slaves
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# [17:53] <bhearsum|buildduty> inbound should get priority over l10n, wth
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# [17:55] <@bsmedberg> ted: where do you want the google breakpad patch?
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# [17:57] <Ms2ger> Waldo, wesj, you're expected to use the new one, fwiw
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# [17:59] <@khuey> ttaubert: fwiw, I think we want something more like how "toBlob" is specced
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# [18:00] <@bz> is there a known bug about ArrayLength failing in xpcconvert on Mac?
# [18:00] <bhearsum|buildduty> philor: i think it is just a priority thing
# [18:00] <bhearsum|buildduty> aurora > inbound
# [18:00] <philor> hmm
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# [18:00] <bhearsum|buildduty> (and central and beta and release and 1.9.2)
# [18:01] <Waldo> bz: what's the type you're using it on? unnamed struct, type not defined globally? those don't work in C++98, sadly
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# [18:01] <mbrubeck> So did anyone decide whether to hide Win64 or back out jlebar|lunch on inbound?
# [18:01] <bhearsum|buildduty> hide it
# [18:01] <bhearsum|buildduty> it's not a tier1 platform
# [18:01] <Ms2ger> Support^
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# [18:02] <philor> buildapi must not show all the stuff that's actually using slaves?
# [18:02] <mbrubeck> We do promote the nightly builds on http://nightly.mozilla.org/
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# [18:02] <bhearsum|buildduty> philor: hmm
# [18:02] <philor> since https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/running + winnt 5.2 doesn't show much at all
# [18:02] <bhearsum|buildduty> i see what you mean...
# [18:02] <bhearsum|buildduty> yeah
# [18:03] <bhearsum|buildduty> i think it hides l10n
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# [18:03] <mak> I concur with mbrubeck, also if there is bustage we should first check if it has anything real before hiding
# [18:03] <bhearsum|buildduty> so all the aurora windows l10n nightlies that are running are sucking up the slaves
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# [18:04] <mak> even if win64 is problematic, it has a newer msvc version than the other win builds, doesn't it? It's results should be of interest for us
# [18:04] <Callek_Away> bhearsum|buildduty: do we chunk nightly l10n repacks yet?
# [18:04] <mbrubeck> It looks like real bustage - conversion from 'size_t' to 'uint32_t', possible loss of data
# [18:04] <Callek_Away> or "do we want to" ;-)
# [18:04] <bhearsum|buildduty> no
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# [18:04] <bhearsum|buildduty> yes
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# [18:05] <mak> mbrubeck: well, or error C2061: syntax error : identifier 'uint32'
# [18:05] <mbrubeck> no wait, that's a warning. the actual error is syntax error : identifier 'uint32'
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# [18:06] <ted> bsmedberg: bugzilla is fine, i can land it upstream
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# [18:09] <Waldo> so that uint32 assuming we're talking about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=splinter.html&bug=696162&attachment=590982 should definitely be uint32_t
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# [18:10] <Waldo> ...and wow, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8790749&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1#error0 has lots of warnings
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# [18:14] <mak> also Mac builders look behind
# [18:17] <jbuck> question about checkin-needed, if I only need to checkin some patches, just say in the whiteboard "only checkin patches 1, 2, and 4" is appropriate? or should I flag those patches with checkin-needed as well?
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# [18:17] <mak> jbuck: the whiteboard is fine
# [18:18] <jbuck> alright, thanks
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# [18:20] <bhearsum|buildduty> mak: up to you - nothing is actually broken though
# [18:20] <bhearsum|buildduty> it looks like the oldest pending builds just cleared out
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# [18:21] <bhearsum|buildduty> the oldest non-64-bit windows one is 45min old
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# [18:22] <mak> ok, if it's improving maybe it's not worth it. nothing broken is just a volatile status, it may be broken but we don't know yet :)
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# [18:22] <mak> and things coalesced, so let's hope to not have talos regressions...
# [18:23] <Ms2ger> Hah
# [18:23] <bhearsum|buildduty> we can fill in the gaps if necessary
# [18:23] <drice> Any hints for this build failure? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1460428
# [18:24] <Ms2ger> glandium, ^
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# [18:30] <ejpbruel> so how do we make sure the hidden window doesnt show up in the list of windows on win32?
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# [18:32] <drice> Ms2ger: I'm assuming you were suggesting glandium could comment on that. Since he's currently occupied, do you have any hints which I could use to try to get some forward progress again? I've been told -fPIC is NOT the solution.
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# [18:33] <drice> Okay, thanks.
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# [18:43] <jimm> ejpbruel: which hidden window, the appshell hidden message window?
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# [18:44] <drice> What happened to http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/xulrunner/nightly/latest-mozilla-beta/ ? 2012-01-11-03-02-02-mozilla-beta/ is there (I'll use that), but no latest-mozilla-beta
# [18:44] <ejpbruel> jimm: thats one yes, i thought we only had one?
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# [18:46] <jimm> ejpbruel: yes, just one. that window isn't managed by the standard widget windows procedure code. it's kept hidden by simply not calling showwindow on it or setting it's style to "visible".
# [18:46] <ejpbruel> jimm: yeah, that part i get
# [18:47] <ejpbruel> jimm: you simply dont call nsWindow::Show
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# [18:47] <ejpbruel> jimm: theres also some special handling here and there in case window type is hidden
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# [18:47] <ejpbruel> jimm: but is the mere fact that the window is not shown enough to not make it show up in the task manager on windows?
# [18:47] <Bas> Hrm, does anyone know what objects are traced by 'MOZ_MEM_LEAK_LOG'? And which aren't?
# [18:48] <jimm> ejpbruel: the appshell hidden message window isn't managed by an nsWindow object, but the concept is the same.
# [18:48] <jimm> ejpbruel: yep
# [18:48] <philor> guess the Win32 red sort of moots the whole "should we just toss Win64?" thing
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# [18:48] <jimm> ejpbruel: oh, task manager or taskbar?
# [18:48] <jimm> ejpbruel: actually they probably treat hidden windows the same
# [18:49] <ejpbruel> ejpbruel: really? because nsAppShell::CreateHiddenWindow, which calls JustCreateTopLevelWindow, which creates an nsWebShellWindow, which inherits from nsXULWindow, which has an nsWindow as member
# [18:49] <ejpbruel> jimm: ^^
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# [18:49] <ejpbruel> jimm: hence my assumption that it uses an nsWindow
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# [18:51] <jimm> ejpbruel: I think we are talking about two different windows. I'm looking at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/windows/nsAppShell.cpp#135
# [18:51] <glandium> drice: don't link statically with libstdc++
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# [18:51] <ejpbruel> jimm: so am I
# [18:51] <drice> glandium: I didn't know I was. How do I not?
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# [18:51] <drice> I used the default client.mk
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# [18:51] <ejpbruel> jimm: rv = JustCreateTopWindow(nsnull, url,
# [18:51] <ejpbruel> chromeMask, initialWidth, initialHeight,
# [18:51] <ejpbruel> true, getter_AddRefs(newWindow));
# [18:52] <glandium> drice: your toolchain is probably the problem. You probably don't have libstdc++.so anywhere
# [18:52] <glandium> so it's using the .a instead
# [18:52] <ejpbruel> jimm: which ends up in nsAppShell.cpp:289, right?
# [18:52] <drice> Understood. I'll investigate on that. Thanks for the help.
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# [18:53] <jimm> ejpbruel: you have an nsWindow based window there. I would think you could keep it hidden by not calling Show on it. The initial creation of the window does not display it.
# [18:53] <ejpbruel> jimm: i was questioning your assertion that the appshell hidden window isnt managed by an nsWindow object
# [18:54] <Xteven> hi, I have a question: nsIContentPolicy is used to check whether a resource should be loaded, nsIObserver can be used to access/filter the data of the loaded resource. nsIContentPolicy knows what DOM node the HTTP request comes from, but nsIObserver doesn't. Is there a way to retrieve the data of a resource AND the node that requested it ?
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# [18:54] <jimm> ejpbruel: it's not, it's all self contained in widget/windows/nsAppShell, and is specific to some special message processing we do in there.
# [18:55] <jimm> ejpbruel: I think I got you off track by bringing that up.
# [18:55] <ejpbruel> jimm: hold on. there's only one hidden window right now, and its created through nsAppShell::CreateHiddenWindow, right?
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# [18:56] <ejpbruel> jimm: assuming thats true, if i just look at the code, that ends up creating an nsWebShellWindow, which inherits from nsXULWindow, which hosts an nsIWindow
# [18:56] <ejpbruel> jimm: where am i wrong?
# [18:56] <blassey> on my linux desktop build, I'm getting "TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | xpccheck | test test_bug505120.js is missing from test manifest ../../../../../toolkit/mozapps/update/test/unit/xpcshell.ini!"
# [18:56] <blassey> anyone seen that?
# [18:56] <Ms2ger> blassey, did you add test_bug505120.js?
# [18:56] <blassey> no, there are no changes in this tree
# [18:56] <Ms2ger> Because it ain't in m-c
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# [18:56] <Ms2ger> $ hg st
# [18:57] <Ms2ger> Also, we released rust 0.1?
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# [18:57] <mak> Ms2ger: there's a blog post on planet
# [18:58] <jimm> ejpbruel: I'm not sure why we create that hidden window. Might be related to dde integration?
# [18:58] <Ms2ger> mak, I should figure out something for feeds...
# [18:58] <ejpbruel> jimm: 'that hidden window'? this is a different hidden window than the one youre talking about?
# [18:59] <jimm> yes
# [18:59] <jimm> ejpbruel: what are you trying to do?
# [18:59] <ejpbruel> jimm: basically, im trying to add a patch that allows the window watcher to create additional hidden windows
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# [18:59] <ejpbruel> jimm: these hidden windows dont need the special status of the main hidden window
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# [19:00] <ejpbruel> jimm: they just need to be invisible, not show up in the task manager, and be able to load documents
# [19:00] <ejpbruel> jimm: so far i managed to do this by doing what you suggested: simply not calling Show during openWindow
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# [19:00] <ejpbruel> jimm: but id like to know if theres anything more i need to do to make sure the window doesnt show up in the task manager, other than not showing it
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# [19:01] <jimm> ejpbruel: I think you should be ok without the Show call. Feel free to cc me on the bug if you need someone to test try builds.
# [19:02] <Ms2ger> jst, so did you find someone to work on Forms?
# [19:02] <froydnj> do implementations of nsIStreamConverter not implement ::Convert for a specific reason? to encourage people to use ::AsyncConvertData instead?
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# [19:02] <ejpbruel> jimm: awesome! for now, im just building a prototype. but if you could help me review my patch etc that would rock
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# [19:03] <jimm> sure
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# [19:03] <jst> Ms2ger: not really at this point
# [19:04] <Ms2ger> :(
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# [19:04] <gavin> Yoric: I am the right person to review any changes to nsSearchService.js
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# [19:04] <Yoric> gavin: I meant the clients of nsSearchService.js
# [19:04] <mak> gavin: you are the right person to review any change :p
# [19:04] <gavin> Yoric: those too
# [19:04] <ejpbruel> jimm: thanks!
# [19:04] <Yoric> ok
# [19:05] <Yoric> Then you have a pile of patches waiting for you :)
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# [19:05] <ejpbruel> jimm: btw, should we still call SizeOpenedDocShell in nsWindowWatcher::OpenWindowJSInternal if the window is internal?
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# [19:06] <ejpbruel> jimm: i kind of assumed we shouldn't have to (SetVisible(true) is called at the end of SizeOpenedDocShell, which causes Show to be called when the chrome has been loaded on the window)
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# [19:07] <drice> thanks glandium; you had it right. I had mixed versions of libstdc++6* related packages.
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# [19:08] <jimm> ejpbruel: Not seeing a SizeOpenedDocShell in MXR
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# [19:08] <jimm> SizeOpenedDocShellItem maybe
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# [19:08] <ejpbruel> jimm: thats the one, sorry!
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# [19:10] <jimm> ejpbruel: hmm, doesn't look like you would need that call if the window always remains hidden.
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# [19:10] <ejpbruel> jimm: thats what i assumed. thanks for the second opinion! :)
# [19:11] <jimm> yep
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# [19:14] <ejpbruel> bsmedberg: not any more. i think i have everything figured out. thanks for your time! :)
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# [19:15] <nemo> "A faster way to browse the web"
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# [19:17] <lurking> http://www.google.com/search?q=fennec&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=KY6&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=r_MeT8X7J5SgqQHL2tXPDQ&ved=0CFAQsAQ&biw=1540&bih=845
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# [19:26] <nemo> huh. bz set my bug to blocking a bug marked fixed :)
# [19:26] <nemo> how does that even work?
# [19:26] <Ms2ger> nemo, that's called a followup
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# [19:28] <Ms2ger> Using UNIX' less to argue about what web browsers should do \o/
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# [19:28] <ejpbruel> jimm: i was thinking we could use the feature string in nsWindowWatcher::openWindow to indicate we should open a window
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# [19:29] <ejpbruel> jimm: but since openWindow creates top level windows via nsAppShell:CreateTopLevelWindow, we need some way to tell that function it is creating a hidden window (so it shouldnt register it with the window mediator, for instance)
# [19:30] <ejpbruel> jimm: i was thinking to do so via a chrome flag, but looks like all flag positions are taken up. can i just add a boolean to nsAppShell:CreateTopLevelWindow, or would that be bad?
# [19:30] <@bsmedberg> openWindow("hidden=true") like that?
# [19:30] <ejpbruel> bsmedberg: yeah
# [19:31] <ejpbruel> bsmedberg: in which case two things will happen: openWindow will not set visibility to true, and CreateTopLevelWindow wont register it with the window mediator
# [19:31] <@bsmedberg> or the window watcher?
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# [19:31] <Ms2ger> dolske++
# [19:31] <@bsmedberg> where are the chrome flags?
# [19:31] <@bsmedberg> the comment in nsIAppShellService says to find them on nsIBrowserWindow
# [19:32] <ejpbruel> bsmedberg: nsAppShellService::CreateTopLevelWindow takes them as an argument, i believe
# [19:32] <ddahl> anyone else see this build error in nss/freebl/: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1460452
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# [19:32] <@bsmedberg> ejpbruel: sure, but http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpfe/appshell/public/nsIAppShellService.idl#72
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# [19:33] <@bsmedberg> oh, nsIWebBrowserChrome?
# [19:33] <Enn> The flags are in nsIWebBrowserChrome
# [19:33] <ejpbruel> thats where i looked
# [19:33] <ejpbruel> bsmedberg: and it looks like all the flags are taken
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# [19:34] <@bsmedberg> ejpbruel: we could make the flags 64 bits...
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# [19:34] <@bsmedberg> That would be fairly mechanical, though perhaps a big patch
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# [19:35] <ddahl> oops, that pastebin was truncated: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1460455
# [19:35] <ejpbruel> bsmedberg: adding a boolean with a default value to CreateTopLevelWindow would be less intrusive, though arguable less elegant
# [19:36] <ddahl> after a whole bunch of: freebl/jpake.c:522: undefined reference to `PORT_SetError_stub'
# [19:36] <ddahl> isee this error: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
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# [19:36] <Ms2ger> ddahl, rm -rf objdir/nss
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# [19:36] <ddahl> Ms2ger: thats where i was going to go next. the obj dir should just be blown away every x builds it seems like
# [19:37] <ddahl> thx
# [19:37] <Ms2ger> Nah, just nss this time
# [19:37] <ddahl> oh, yeah. thx, i was about to blow it all away
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# [19:44] <jmaher> mwu: ping
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# [19:44] <jmaher> mwu: I am working on a signing issue for a robotium test apk and I understand you wrote a lot of the fennec apk signing stuff
# [19:45] <mwu> I worked on it
# [19:45] <mwu> don't know if I remember it
# [19:45] <jmaher> heh, nobody knows anything about it
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# [19:45] <mwu> what do you need to know?
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# [19:46] <mwu> I probably wrote at least some of that apk signing stuff
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# [19:47] <jmaher> they are not signed the same
# [19:47] <jmaher> ack
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# [19:47] <jmaher> my robotium apk has a sharedid with fennec; when I go to install it fails and a message in adb tells me they are not signed the same
# [19:48] <mwu> yeah you have to use the right key
# [19:48] <mccr8> What's the best way to get a list of all change sets that landed on a particular day in mozilla-central?
# [19:48] <jlebar> Waldo, How would I figure out which header was providing |uint32|?
# [19:48] <mwu> I think we have helpers to use the right key to sign
# [19:48] <Waldo> jlebar: make foo.s, search for it?
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# [19:48] <jlebar> Waldo, mm, on win64?
# [19:48] <mccr8> oh looks like hg log is the thing.
# [19:48] <Waldo> which would be in objdir/path/to/that/directory/foo.s
# [19:49] <jmaher> mwu: I see there is a jarsigner bit and in the builds we assign that to mozpass.py, I have copied that, but it doesn't seem to work for me
# [19:49] <mwu> copy?
# [19:49] <jlebar> Waldo, Oh, right; it's only on win64 that uint32 is *not* defined.
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# [19:49] <jlebar> Okay; /me looks.
# [19:49] <Waldo> jlebar: hum, right; compile warning from typedef struct Conflict { } uint32;?
# [19:49] <jmaher> mwu: maybe you know some gotchas about signing
# [19:49] <mwu> there's a file you're suppose to import IIRC
# [19:49] <Waldo> jlebar: it shouldn't be defined for any platform, actually; guess I should look into how it's present at all
# [19:49] <jmaher> mwu: here is what I mean by copy: https://hg.mozilla.org/try/diff/7508ce9ed3cc/toolkit/mozapps/installer/packager.mk
# [19:50] <Waldo> we disabled NSPR 1.0 support that was providing it that way
# [19:50] <Waldo> wasn't aware anything else was
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# [19:51] <jlebar> Waldo, uint32 is not defined on Linux; it's just that the code is in a windows-only block.
# [19:51] <mwu> jmaher: did you see https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/c3643d492d68/build/mobile/sutagent/android/Makefile.in ?
# [19:51] <Waldo> hmm
# [19:51] <Waldo> stupid Windows
# [19:52] <Waldo> film at 11
# [19:52] <jmaher> mwu: yeah, I had originally copied that, but it wasn't working; that is why I moved to packager.mk
# [19:52] <mwu> packager.mk is likely not an appropriate place for this stuff
# [19:53] <jmaher> yeah, I couldn't agree more
# [19:53] <mwu> is JARSIGNER getting set?
# [19:53] <jmaher> it is getting set during the 'make package' step
# [19:53] <mwu> that's the important part of signing this right
# [19:53] <jmaher> hmm, maybe it is getting signed by a default key during apkbuilder
# [19:53] <mwu> it should be set during normal build too, IIRC, since sutagent is packaged and signed during normal build, not packaging
# [19:54] <jmaher> and during signing it is just appending the release key
# [19:54] <jlebar> Waldo, Actually, it looks like it was also not defined on win32. tbpl is just missing a win32 build initially, so the burning isn't until a bit later.
# [19:54] <jlebar> Waldo, so you're off the hook.
# [19:54] <Waldo> funky
# [19:54] <mwu> you can't really append a key
# [19:54] <jmaher> ok, I wasn't sure about that
# [19:54] <jduell> sicking: so we don't have any equivalent of forget() for strings? I.e. hand back the char * buffer and release memory mgmt for it
# [19:54] <mwu> if it gets signed once, it'll refuse to sign again
# [19:54] <jmaher> hmm
# [19:54] <mwu> until you strip the previous signature
# [19:55] <sicking> jduell: we do actually
# [19:55] <sicking> jduell: but, there's a few things to keep in mind
# [19:55] <jmaher> mwu: so during 'make -f client.mk build' we do not have jarsigner defined
# [19:55] <sicking> jduell: strings can be backed by several different types of data
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# [19:55] <mwu> jmaher: can I see the makefile you made?
# [19:56] <sicking> jduell: it can be backed by a refcounted buffer (in which case your string might not be the only one using it)
# [19:56] <sicking> jduell: it can be backed by a malloc'ed buffer (in which case your string is the only one using it)
# [19:56] <jmaher> mwu: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/build/mobile/robocop/Makefile.in
# [19:56] <jduell> sicking: or it could be a DependentString
# [19:56] <sicking> jduell: it can be backed by data owned by someone else (a dependent string)
# [19:56] <sicking> jduell: exactly
# [19:57] <jduell> sicking: so how do I get the buffer, and how do I know it's ok to get it?
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# [19:57] <@bsmedberg> bugzilla.mozilla.org : server does not support RFC 5746, see CVE-2009-3555
# [19:57] <@bsmedberg> hrm, I would have thought that we fixed all our own servers by now...
# [19:58] <sicking> jduell: do you mean malloced buffer or refcounted one?
# [19:58] <jduell> sicking: what I really want is it to be smart enough to know to 1) hand back the buffer if it's the only copy and under stringmgmt, or 2) strdup it otherwise
# [19:58] <jduell> sicking: I don't think my use case has refcounting
# [19:59] <sicking> jduell: what makes you think that? The by far most common case is that a string is backed by a refcounted buffer
# [19:59] <jduell> sicking: I'm actually dealing with code that's currently using char * and manually deleting, and want to make it both safer (autodelete) and more efficient (not strdup if we can have dependent semantics)
# [19:59] <sicking> jduell: lets back up. What are you trying to do?
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# [20:00] <sicking> jduell: ah
# [20:00] <sicking> jduell: so the current code isn't using a string at all?
# [20:00] <jduell> sicking: MIME header parsing. For most cases, we could theoretically use a nsDependentString, since the char * is handed to us, and will stay in scope for the time we need the string
# [20:00] <jduell> sicking: right, not using string
# [20:00] <sicking> jduell: so why not use nsDependentString?
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# [20:01] <jduell> but there are cases (ex: line continuations) where we need to remove chars and return concatenated string
# [20:01] <biesi> jduell, strings are allocated in a way that forget() doesn't work, even if it is not shared
# [20:01] <sicking> jduell: ah
# [20:01] <jduell> in which case we have to malloc and strcpy in the char w/o the \r\n
# [20:01] <jduell> So for now we always strdup
# [20:01] <jduell> which seems wasteful
# [20:01] <jduell> Not a huge deal, I guess
# [20:02] <sicking> jduell: what type do you return?
# [20:02] <sicking> jduell: you can't return a nsDepenentString
# [20:02] <sicking> i suspect
# [20:02] <jmaher> mwu: we think it is possible to sign with two signatures; I am going to try deleting the signing before the jarsigner step
# [20:02] <jduell> we need to write into a char**
# [20:02] <jduell> So we need to malloc and strdup at the end anyway.
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# [20:03] <biesi_> jduell, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/string/public/nsStringBuffer.h#143 is closest to the forget() you want
# [20:03] <sicking> yeah, i'd just do a malloc and then copy to there
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# [20:03] <mwu> jmaher: it looks like sutagent gets built during test packaging
# [20:04] <jduell> I was thinking of using nsAutoPtr<char> to make memory mgmt safer at least, but I don't see any code in the tree that uses it
# [20:04] <jduell> But it should do what I want: i.e. delete buffers unless explicitly call forget() when we return result to user
# [20:04] <jmaher> mwu: I found locally that when setting jarsigner to mozpass.py vs nothing that sutagent would fail in the build step
# [20:04] <jduell> sicking: does that make sense?
# [20:04] <armenzg> Bas: ping
# [20:05] <sicking> jduell: well.. nsAutoPtr will call delete, not free
# [20:05] <jduell> biesi: thanks for link, but I cant return string, only char*, so I can't just addref it
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# [20:06] <mwu> jmaher: btw, have you asked ctalbert or bear?
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# [20:06] <jduell> sicking: do Bad Things happen when you delete malloc'd memory?
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# [20:06] <mwu> this seems to be less of a question of how to sign and more of how to convince our build system to run the right commands
# [20:06] <jduell> char * has no destructor so no problem?
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# [20:06] <sicking> jduell: C++ says to not mix them
# [20:07] <sicking> jduell: I don't know if bad things really do happen. But I wouldn't rely on them not happening
# [20:07] <jduell> sicking: meh
# [20:07] <jmaher> mwu: yeah; I have a few things to try, so I can go off and hack a bit more; thanks for taking a look at this
# [20:07] <Ms2ger> Bad things probably do happen
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# [20:07] <Ms2ger> There's Auto-what's it again?
# [20:07] <Ms2ger> nsAutoRef?
# [20:07] <ctalbert> mwu the agent is built during test packaging but because we no longer use the content providers we no longer have to sign or used sharedIDs with the agent anymore
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# [20:08] <jlebar> ted, This may be a stupid question, but how do I crash myself with the crashme extension?
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# [20:08] <espindola> in a reftest, when is a snapshot taken?
# [20:08] <espindola> I have a failing test
# [20:08] <espindola> but when I open the page, the final image displayed is Ok
# [20:08] <Ms2ger> The right person to answer that just joined :)
# [20:08] <mwu> ah interesting
# [20:08] <ctalbert> espindola: when the onload event fires, if you are running a "normal test"
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# [20:09] <sicking> jduell: we might have another class that works as a guard object for malloc
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# [20:09] <espindola> ctalbert, so it is a bug for a test to use onload for drawing?
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# [20:09] <ted> jlebar: tools -> crash me
# [20:09] <ted> (might have to press alt to view the menu)
# [20:09] <espindola> ctalbert, looking at canvas-drawImage-slice-1a.html
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# [20:10] <jlebar> ted, ah, I never would have found that.
# [20:10] <jlebar> thanks!
# [20:10] * jlebar was about to pass -crash on the command line.
# [20:10] <ted> jlebar: hah
# [20:10] <ctalbert> espindola: yeah, you need an async test for that: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/tools/reftest/README.txt#374
# [20:10] <ted> i added the cmdline hander when i was testing on the N900
# [20:10] <ted> because it was so slow to startup
# [20:11] <jlebar> lol
# [20:11] <espindola> ctalbert, thanks!
# [20:11] <ctalbert> espindola: np, hope that helps
# [20:11] <jhammel> i wish those menuitems were discoverable to "mere" firefox users
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# [20:12] <jlebar> jhammel, You mean, the crashme menuitems? :-P
# [20:12] <espindola> interesting, there is a reftest-wait in the test already...
# [20:12] <ted> hah
# [20:12] <ted> jhammel: not having a menu does kind of suck
# [20:12] <Bas> armenzg: pong
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# [20:13] <ted> i am too lazy to rework the extension to work in a different way
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# [20:13] <jhammel> jlebar: i mean all of the menu items espec for extensions that were visible in FF 3.6 and aren't nowadays
# [20:13] <armenzg> Hi Bas, any update on the perma orange for Windows 7?
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# [20:13] <armenzg> IT has been pinging me about it
# [20:13] <jhammel> there are several extensions i just don't use anymore because of the menu item issue
# [20:14] <Bas> armenzg: Ugh, yes, I promised to upload a patch didn't I, is tomorrow okay or does it have to be done today?
# [20:14] <armenzg> Bas: anytime this week
# [20:15] <armenzg> that's all they need. just to know is still on the works
# [20:15] <Bas> armenzg: It will be done, I'm really sorry.
# [20:15] <armenzg> thanks for your help
# [20:15] <armenzg> Bas: no worries. don't be! I'm glad we're this far
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# [20:18] <jdm> jduell: there was a changeset that added an AutoFree class, IIRC, but not in a public place
# [20:18] <jdm> we could move that into somewhere more accessible
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# [20:22] <jduell> jdm: sicking: AutoFree doesn't have a get() method, but yes, we could do that. Or it looks like nsAutoRef<char> could work if we customize nsAutoRefTraits<char>::Release to do free().
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# [20:23] <NeilAway> jduell: I saw a patch that could have used an nsAutoRef<PRUint16> (? - not sure about the int type) that called NS_Free
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# [20:23] <NeilAway> jduell: but as it happened that particular patch got rewritten so the use case doesn't exist there right now
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# [20:24] <NeilAway> biesi: in theory it would be possible to write a forget() that returned the internal pointer if it was an owned pointer or called ToNewString otherwise
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# [20:34] <jwatt> are there any "how to check whether you've caused a perf regression" docs?
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# [20:40] <@khuey> bsmedberg++
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# [20:40] <@bsmedberg> hrm?
# [20:40] <Ms2ger> khuey--
# [20:40] <Ms2ger> just because
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# [20:42] <@khuey> bsmedberg: assigning bugs to bent
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# [20:42] <@bsmedberg> ah
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# [20:43] <bent> khuey-- for ++
# [20:43] <@khuey> bent: :-P
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# [20:49] <Mossop> khuey: Not in the office today?
# [20:49] <Ms2ger> Mossop, he is
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# [20:49] <@khuey> Mossop: I am in an office
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# [20:49] <Ms2ger> In the Paris temporary office
# [20:49] <@khuey> maybe not the one you're asking about
# [20:49] <Mossop> Ah, then I can steal your SF desk :)
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# [20:49] <Ms2ger> On the sane side of the world
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# [20:50] <@khuey> Mossop: temporarily, yes
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# [20:51] <@khuey> Mossop: btw, where is my desk?
# [20:51] <@smaug> Ms2ger: :)
# [20:51] <Ms2ger> :)
# [20:51] <Mossop> khuey: Heh. Just inside the glass doors
# [20:52] <@smaug> some more cheese and khuey will never leave Europe
# [20:52] <@smaug> (hmmm, I should find some cheese)
# [20:52] <Ms2ger> And wine
# [20:53] <Callek> someone willing to checkin 720312 to c-c for me?
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# [20:55] <Ms2ger> If I don't have to watch the tree
# [20:56] <Ms2ger> Callek, smontagu landed it
# [20:57] <Callek> Ms2ger: o did he? no comment in bug about that
# [20:57] <Callek> Ms2ger: thanks though
# [20:57] <Ms2ger> Look again
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# [20:59] <Callek> Ms2ger: gyah I must have a delay in my bugmail
# [20:59] <Callek> thx though
# [20:59] <Ms2ger> Np
# [20:59] <Ms2ger> Always happy to make people happy without doing anything
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# [21:00] <@smaug> what is Webapps.js
# [21:00] <Ms2ger> OpenWebapps
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# [21:00] <Ms2ger> Some of the nonweb stuff Mozilla is doing
# [21:00] <Ms2ger> (aiui)
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# [21:04] <evilpie> zpao i am interested in v8monkey
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# [21:05] <zpao> evilpie: i believe you are the perfect person to be interested in it :)
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# [21:06] <zpao> evilpie: let's hop over to #spidernode and we can chat about it
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# [21:15] <jlebar> What does "(--/normal)" in my request queue mean?
# [21:15] <Mossop> jlebar: It is the priority/severity of the bug, you have bugzilla tweaks installed
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# [21:15] <jduell> sicking: what do you know about nsXPIDLCString? Is there any reason why I'd have to use it vs using a nsCString?
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# [21:16] <biesi_> jduell, conceptually, you use nsXPIDLString when you are using it with a char* out param
# [21:16] <biesi_> i.e. with getter_Copies
# [21:17] <jlebar> Mossop, I don't have bugzilla tweaks installed, but maybe they display that by default now! Thanks.
# [21:17] <biesi_> jduell, but the actual functional difference is only that nsXPIDLCString can be implicitly converted to char*, and can be null
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# [21:17] <biesi_> i.e. unlike other string classes, get() actually can return null
# [21:18] <jduell> biesi_: ok. So nsIMIMEHeaderParam::GetParameter actually returns a "out string", so a nsAString (not CString). In the implementation, we're using a nsXPIDLCString as a temp to get the char * value of the parameter, which we then convert to UTF-8. Seems like I could be using a nsCString instead.
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# [21:19] <biesi_> to utf-8? really?
# [21:19] <biesi_> jduell, out string = CString
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# [21:19] <biesi_> out wstring = String
# [21:19] <biesi_> well, char* / PRUnichar*
# [21:20] <biesi_> jduell, anyway if you use getter_Copies, codestyle is to use nsXPIDL(C)String
# [21:20] <Xteven> hi, is there a way to retrieve the DOM node that initiated a GET request, from any of nsIObserver's methods ?
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# [21:20] <jduell> biesi_: the implementation of GetParameter is declared with "out string" -> "nsAString &"
# [21:20] <gavin> I don't really understand "DOM node that initiated a GET request"
# [21:20] <gavin> Xteven: ^
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# [21:21] <Xteven> gavin: for example, an IMG tag will result in a GET request for the image in the src attribute
# [21:21] <biesi_> jduell, I can't parse that sentence
# [21:21] <jduell> biesi_: oh, wait, the out param is "AString"
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# [21:21] <Mook_as> the retval is AString; there's an additional out string aLang.
# [21:21] <gavin> jduell: yeah, **aLang is the "out string"
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# [21:22] <biesi_> ah ok
# [21:22] <biesi_> then use XPIDLCString for aLang
# [21:22] <biesi_> and AString for _retval
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# [21:22] <gavin> Xteven: how are you observing the requests?
# [21:23] <Xteven> gavin: I'm using an nsITraceableChannel to intercept the data in the request
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# [21:24] <Xteven> I'm also using a nsIContentPolicy so I can see the node that launches a request (like an img tag)
# [21:24] <Xteven> but there is no way to match requests between the 2
# [21:24] <gavin> Xteven: ah I see
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# [21:24] <biesi_> the same channel can correspond to lots of <img> nodes, FWIW
# [21:24] <Xteven> in nsIContentPolicy, I can access the node, but not the httpchannel
# [21:24] <Xteven> indeed
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# [21:28] <Xteven> the request object passed to nsIObserver's callbacks has an "owner" field, but it's set to undefined
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# [21:29] <biesi_> Xteven, the owner isn't what you think it is anyway
# [21:29] <biesi_> Xteven, one sec
# [21:29] <Wes_> If beta channel firefox beach balls on launch for me, is there any useful trouble shooting I can do, or I should I just download aurora and see what happens?
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# [21:31] <biesi_> Xteven, you could QueryInterface the original stream listener to imgIRequest, but that doesn't help you much
# [21:32] <Xteven> :/
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# [21:32] <Xteven> if I could pass some opaque information from the time the contentpolicy does it's checks and the request is created, that would be great
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# [21:34] <@khuey> Xteven: you might look at how Adblock Plus solves this
# [21:34] <@khuey> I think they cache the relevant node somehow
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# [21:35] <Xteven> khuey: I'll have a look, thx
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# [21:41] <Xteven> khuey: it looks like they use nsIContentPolicy
# [21:41] <Xteven> but no observer for http-on-examine-response
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# [21:45] <@bsmedberg> ted: did you file a bug about getting the memory info exposed in socorro, or should I file a single bug for all that info?
# [21:45] <jorendorff> hey, is there anyone around who knows about security policy?
# [21:46] <jorendorff> as in, "under what circumstances would we ship an urgent point release?" type questions
# [21:46] <@bsmedberg> jorendorff: yes
# [21:46] <jorendorff> who?
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# [21:50] <mak> oops looks like I pushed a typo..
# [21:50] * mak fixes
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# [21:52] <bent> jorendorff, we have top men working on it. top. men.
# [21:52] <jorendorff> k
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# [21:59] <Wes--> What do you do if you believe that a crash dump was detected as the wrong stack signature and hence assigned the wrong bug number?
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# [22:02] <mbrubeck> And now Ms2ger is burning on Windows...
# [22:02] <edmorley> backing out :-)
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# [22:05] <mak> edmorley: wait
# [22:05] <mak> are you sure it's Ms2ger?
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# [22:06] <edmorley> 10 seconds too late, doh
# [22:06] <mak> the previous 2 pushes don't have windows builds
# [22:06] <mak> one is a merge, ok
# [22:06] <mak> the other one is Waldo
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# [22:07] <edmorley> yeah waldo's bd75f26eee25 presumably
# [22:07] <mak> indeed
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# [22:07] <sheppy> edmorley: watch your mouth! :)
# [22:07] <edmorley> :-)
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# [22:07] <edmorley> oh well, doesn't hurt to wind up Ms2ger... muhaha
# [22:08] <jduell> where is the code for nsXPIDLCString hiding? Meh
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# [22:09] <@bsmedberg> jduell: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/string/public/nsTString.h#570
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# [22:10] <jduell> bsmedberg: thanks
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# [22:10] <@bsmedberg> jduell: or https://developer.mozilla.org/en/nsXPIDLCString has source links
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# [22:10] <@bsmedberg> which may be woefully out of date, I haven't uploaded new autogenerated versions of those in ages
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# [22:13] <ted> bsmedberg: i probably filed a bug a while ago about exposing the info
# [22:13] <ted> (the existing info)
# [22:13] <@bsmedberg> should I just poke through the socorro product?
# [22:14] <ted> lemme look at my filed bugs
# [22:14] <@bsmedberg> ah, bug 669108
# [22:14] <@bsmedberg> ted: mind if I just piggyback on that same bug?
# [22:16] <ted> nope, feel free
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# [22:17] <ted> probably need to poke someone to get that bug fixed
# [22:17] <ted> should be easy enough though
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# [22:19] <edmorley> mak: fixed
# [22:19] <mak> edmorley: good work!
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# [22:22] <JesperHansen> Query: Looking for the code that determine that if a XMLhttprequest is 404, then the XMLParser shouldn't be run
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# [22:40] <Callek> mcmanus: ping
# [22:41] <mcmanus> hi callek
# [22:41] <Callek> mcmanus: is necko_websockets supposed to be shipped?
# [22:41] <mcmanus> fine by me.
# [22:42] <Callek> mcmanus: I mean, "is it _supposed to_ ?"
# [22:42] <mcmanus> yes - it was designed to be useful. I don't know of any consumers of it at this time.
# [22:42] <Callek> mcmanus: we have: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/search?string=necko_websocket&find=&findi=&;filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=comm-central and http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/configure.in#4646
# [22:42] <Callek> but its not shipped in Firefox by default from what I can see
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# [22:43] <mcmanus> send email and cc: jduell. I don't have time to sort it out on irc atm.
# [22:44] <jduell> Callek: we turned it off for JS. Does that answer your question?
# [22:44] <Callek> mcmanus: this is re: 640003 and matters to me because SeaMonkey is shipping our final beta being built today, and need to add this to our package-manifest if its supposed to be shipped
# [22:45] <Callek> mcmanus: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714325 was filed a bunch of weeks ago for this answer....
# [22:45] <cshields> Standard8: ping
# [22:45] <Callek> jduell: no it doesn't
# [22:45] <Standard8> cshields: pong
# [22:45] <Callek> jduell: my question is "should we be shipping this"
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# [22:45] <cshields> Standard8: when you had the hg push problem (718979) was there a hang, or like a delay in the push before you got that error?
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# [22:46] <Callek> biesi_: ping?
# [22:46] <jduell> Callek: We're shipping websockets as a supported protocol, yes.
# [22:46] <Standard8> cshields: the ones I saw were via our buildbot clients and iirc the step lasted 4 seconds
# [22:46] <Callek> biesi_: so should we be shipping necko_websockets.xpt?
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# [22:46] <Callek> (right now we do not run it through xpt_link, fwiw)
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# [22:47] <Callek> jduell: have a test-page/etc.
# [22:47] <Callek> or something I can toss into my Firefox url-bar to test
# [22:47] <jduell> Callek: what does necko_websockets.xpt do? Pardon my ignorance of the build process...
# [22:47] <cshields> Standard8: ok. might be hitting a timeout in the load balancer, I'm going to try bumping those limits up
# [22:47] <Callek> jduell: if I am right, we don't ship it working
# [22:47] <Callek> jduell: it makes the necko interface for it work
# [22:47] <Standard8> cshields: the two we've just had lasted 0 seconds according to the log
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# [22:48] <jduell> Callek: you mean nsIWebSocketChannel?
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# [22:48] <Callek> jduell: all the .idl's in http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/netwerk/protocol/websocket/Makefile.in
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# [22:49] <Callek> jduell: for example: try evaluating in the Error Consoel: |Components.interfaces.nsIWebSocketChannel|
# [22:49] <jduell> Callek: We ship them in the sense that they are used by nsWebsocket.cpp, but they're not intended at the moment to be exposed as public APIs
# [22:49] <Callek> you'll get no response (because it throws)
# [22:50] <Callek> jduell: but then |Components.interfaces.nsIObserverService| does return something
# [22:50] <gregglind> is there a listing of all of the ns* interfaces with simple one or two line description that I am missing?
# [22:50] <JesperHansen> What component does XMLHttpRequest bugs belong to in Core?
# [22:50] <Callek> jduell: if its XPCOM it needs to be exposed to xpcom, without linking the xpt its not
# [22:51] <JesperHansen> Networking: Http?
# [22:51] <mcmanus> callek - http://websocketstest.com/
# [22:51] <jduell> Callek: OK. I don't know how it's been working then. But we should fix if the xpt needs to happen.
# [22:52] <jduell> I should make nsIWebSocketListener not scriptable
# [22:52] <Callek> jduell: well specifically xpt helps to let XPCONNECT bridge work with this stuff
# [22:52] <Callek> jduell: otherwise when we pass an nsIChannel around that is nsIWebSocketChannel we are bound to have problems
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# [22:52] <jduell> Callek: so we don't actually want/need any code besides nsWebSocket.cpp to access these IDs
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# [22:53] <Callek> jduell: we can't let extensions do stuff with it?
# [22:53] <jduell> Callek: we don't actually pass nsIWebSocketChannels to client JS the wy other channel are
# [22:53] <Callek> jduell: thats part of the point of exposing this type of stuff to XPCOM
# [22:53] <cshields> Standard8: jhopkins: I just made a couple of changes the the internal ssh VIP for hg, please note any further instances (with a timestamp) in the bug
# [22:53] <jduell> Websockets doesn't give JS access to any channel-like object
# [22:53] <jduell> It just provides DOM events with data
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# [22:54] <mcmanus> jduell - the point of having websocketchannel in an idl is so that c++ extensions can use it in a context other than JS
# [22:54] <jhopkins> cshields: thank you, will do
# [22:54] <Standard8> cshields: ok, thanks
# [22:54] <mcmanus> jduell - done on purpose
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# [22:54] <Callek> jduell: DOM Events are by definition accessible by JS, right?
# [22:54] <biesi_> callek: does seem like we should ship it, yeah :/
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# [22:55] <Callek> basically I'm no expert here, but if we have an xpt that is for used-code, we need to ship it
# [22:55] <Callek> if we should turn it noscript for some reason, then lets do that....
# [22:55] <Callek> akeybl: ping
# [22:55] <biesi_> jduell, why do yo want to make it noscript?
# [22:56] <Callek> akeybl: if biesi r+'s a patch to ship this, can I land on aurora/beta _today_ my eval is that its not worth a respin but is completely safe to add into our release channel
# [22:56] <Waldo> joe: ?
# [22:56] <roc> mccr8: is stuff like NS_DECL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_SKIPPABLE_SCRIPT_HOLDER_CLASS_INHERITED going to be documented somewhere?
# [22:56] <@bsmedberg-mtg> holy crap that's a long macro name
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# [22:56] <akeybl> Callek: bug #?
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# [22:56] <@smaug> roc: I'll probably change that stuff to use templates
# [22:56] <Callek> akeybl: I don't have a patch in bug yet, but https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714325
# [22:56] <roc> it seems to be getting harder and harder to write DOM code that needs cycle collectoin
# [22:57] <@smaug> roc: and yes, that will be documented once I've landed the stuff which uses it
# [22:57] <@smaug> roc: that is not obligatory stuff
# [22:57] <Callek> akeybl: basically the interface "information" that xpconnect uses is not actually shipped (but is built)
# [22:57] <Callek> for websockets
# [22:57] <@smaug> roc: _SKIPPABLE_ is optional optimization
# [22:57] <Callek> such that |Components.interfaces.nsIWebSocketChannel| throws because XPConnect knows nothing about it
# [22:57] <@smaug> for things which may holds lots of other stuff alive
# [22:58] <Callek> but we do have Cpp code that pretends to support that through XPConnect here
# [22:58] <Waldo> hmm
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# [22:58] <gavin> Callek: why do we need it?
# [22:58] <akeybl> Callek: does it cause crashes or significant logging?
# [22:58] <roc> smaug: OK, but looking through the macros it is unclear what is optional and what is not
# [22:58] <gavin> if it isn't intended to be used from JS, we don't need to package the xpt
# [22:58] <@smaug> roc: ah, sorry
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# [22:59] <jduell> biesi_: mcmanus: we have no testing for the code from a c++/JS extension, but if we want to make it public, we can.
# [22:59] <@bsmedberg> if it *isn't* used from JS, we don't need to even think about it for a release channel
# [22:59] <Callek> akeybl: the key points is that nothing in Firefox itself needs it, but it may cause crashes/issues if extensions try to do bad things (and we know that they do) with this interface
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# [22:59] <@smaug> roc: just do what you've done before
# [22:59] <roc> I recently had to write a SCRIPT_HOLDER thing by just looking through the macros and some similar DOM classes and guessing
# [22:59] <gavin> Callek: where's the evidence of extensions doing bad things?
# [22:59] <biesi_> jduell, I don't think there's any advantage in not shipping the xpt
# [22:59] <biesi_> jduell, (also, this is unrelated to C++)
# [22:59] <Callek> akeybl: that said, its not the directly supported way to do anything with Websockets, and I know of none doing it here
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# [23:00] <jduell> Callek: biesi_ I know nothing about xpt, so I'll defer to biesi, bsmedberg etc.
# [23:00] <Callek> gavin: we know extensions do things any way they can figure out might work, and that can equate to bad things when we're not careful... there are also plenty that do good things
# [23:00] <gavin> Callek: first you need to establish that this is actually a problem
# [23:00] <gavin> not packaging an XPT meants the interface won't be available from JS
# [23:01] <gavin> that is usually bad, but it depends on the interface
# [23:01] <gavin> and not having it won't cause crashes
# [23:01] <jduell> jduell: we should presumably make both nsIWebSocketChannel/nsIWebSocketListener both scriptable or not (right now only nsIWebSocketListener is)
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# [23:01] <Callek> jduell: incorrect
# [23:02] <Callek> jduell: nsIWebSocketListener is _not_ scriptable as long as the xpt is not shipped
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# [23:02] <Callek> and its not shipped yet
# [23:02] <mcmanus> i don
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# [23:02] <jduell> Callek: right, preface my statement with "if we ship it in the xpt, ..."
# [23:02] <gavin> he means "scriptable" in the IDL annotation sense
# [23:03] <@bsmedberg> where is the right place to file bugs about BMO customizations?
# [23:03] <@bsmedberg> and who do I cc?
# [23:03] <gavin> bsmedberg: bugzilla.mozilla.org::administration
# [23:03] <Callek> bsmedberg: well you CC glob
# [23:03] <mcmanus> I don't see any reason to force a patch to ship it. there are no known users if it outside of our own content
# [23:03] <gavin> bsmedberg: they watch it closely
# [23:03] <mccr8> roc: there's a bit of documentation about the underlying functions, but yeah, there should be some near the macros, as that's probably more what people look at.
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# [23:04] <gavin> Callek: anyways it sounds like this isn't a critical issue. maybe aurora, but certainly not beta.
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# [23:05] <joe> Waldo: you made LinkedList<> have lower-case camelCase
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# [23:05] <Callek> gavin: I disagree, but I won't try to persuade you any further.
# [23:05] <Waldo> joe: oh, that
# [23:05] <njn> memshrink meeting in 2 minutes
# [23:05] <gavin> if you have evidence of actual problems it causes, I'm all ears...
# [23:05] <Callek> (well I agree not "critical" but I disagree on the we should wait for aurora)
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# [23:06] <Callek> either way, I'll take your opinion as final say, unless someone else wants to overrule/argue-more (not expecting)
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# [23:06] <gavin> there are no "final says", if I'm missing something let me know :)
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# [23:07] <Callek> gavin: well by "final say" I of course mean, "assuming all hard-data is known" if there is more data, "we" can revisit of course
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# [23:07] <Callek> I don't have any data, other than my opinion based on the data we have, which differs from yours.
# [23:07] <gavin> ok
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# [23:09] <Waldo> hmm, actually, maybe that should have been MFBT_API
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# [23:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f92194f05828 - Dão Gottwald - No bug - fix some browser chrome tests that pollute the global scope
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# [23:24] <AopicieR> hi; why is the directory structure in the mozilla-central repository completely different from the one in, let's say, mozilla-aurora? for example no widget/public directory exists
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# [23:25] <@khuey> it's not completely different
# [23:25] <bhearsum|buildduty> when can we have doorhanger HTTP auth prompts?
# [23:25] <@khuey> but widget/ was rearranged recently
# [23:25] <jtcranmer> people move stuff in different versions
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# [23:26] <AopicieR> okay, thanks; so I should do a diff to mozilla-central when writing a patch?
# [23:26] <AopicieR> to/against
# [23:26] <biesi_> AopicieR, yes
# [23:26] <gavin> yes
# [23:26] <biesi_> in 6 weeks, aurora will look like central :-)
# [23:26] <bhearsum|buildduty> biesi_: actually, in ~1
# [23:26] <Waldo> 1 week, shurely?
# [23:27] <@khuey> actually 1 week ;-)
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# [23:27] <Waldo> JINX
# [23:27] <@khuey> jinx
# [23:27] <Waldo> JINX
# [23:27] <@khuey> lol
# [23:27] <biesi_> heh
# [23:27] <biesi_> I can't keep track of dates
# [23:27] <AopicieR> kk, thanks :)
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# [23:27] <gavin> biesi's statement is still correct
# [23:27] <Standard8> hah
# [23:27] <Waldo> ah, programmers :-D
# [23:27] <biesi_> :)
# [23:28] <biesi_> Waldo, and don't call me shirley
# [23:28] <Waldo> biesi_++
# [23:28] <Callek> biesi_: he didn't, he called you shurely
# [23:28] <Callek> ;-)
# [23:28] <@dbaron> don't prefix variable names with underscores!
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# [23:28] <@dbaron> er, suffi
# [23:28] <@dbaron> x
# [23:29] <biesi_> maybe I'm a member of an external project's class?
# [23:29] <Callek> dbaron++
# [23:29] <edmorley> Callek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5t5_O8hdA :-)
# [23:29] <edmorley> ages since I watched that
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# [23:29] <Waldo> biesi_++
# [23:29] <Callek> edmorley: did you think I didn't actually see that before?
# [23:30] <edmorley> I imagined you had
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# [23:36] <philor> wow, you can really take the charm out of starring by building up 14 hours of Android, and then setting the filter to "crashtest-"
# [23:37] <philor> all the poetry of pounding nails
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# [23:40] <jaws_> ehsan: do you think you will be able to take bug 702463?
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# [23:42] <bjacob> edmorley: i know, backing out 1 changeset
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# [23:43] <Waldo> looks like yes
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# [23:48] <marco> how can I check if Firefox fsyncs a file (under Linux)?
# [23:48] <Waldo> marco: strace?
# [23:48] <jtcranmer> strace would probably work
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# [23:48] <Waldo> and some grepping to correlate fdnos with file name
# [23:49] <marco> Waldo, jtcranmer, thank you
# [23:49] <@ehsan> jaws_: maybe some time next week
# [23:50] <@ehsan> jaws_: but I'd really really prefer someone else to do it if possible :)
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