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# Session Start: Wed Jan 25 00:00:01 2012
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# [00:16] <sfink> ted: ping
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# [00:17] <ted> sfink: pong
# [00:17] <gavin> can we take out the "coordinate large C++ landings with khuey|away" text now?
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# [00:17] <sfink> ted: any idea why many but by no means all of the .dbg files I downloaded through fetch-symbols.py are giving me a CRC mismatch with my .so's?
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# [00:18] <ted> sfink: hrm, no
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# [00:18] <ted> there's nothing fancy about how they get produced
# [00:19] <sfink> so for example, libxpcom.so gets a mismatch but libxul.so is fine
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# [00:20] <sfink> also, what's the checksum embedded in the symbols.txt file? eg 5832BEDBA19734D507322E4EA3DC42FC0
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# [00:21] <philor> gavin: and "be gentle" - that never worked out ;)
# [00:21] <ted> it varies by platform
# [00:21] <ted> on linux it's either the debug ID put into the binaries by the linker
# [00:21] <ted> (but i think our binutils are too old for that)
# [00:21] <ted> or a crappy hash of the first page of the .text section
# [00:22] <sfink> Ok. It sort of looked like a buildid, but our binaries didn't seem to have one.
# [00:22] <ted> http://code.google.com/p/google-breakpad/source/browse/trunk/src/common/linux/file_id.cc#230
# [00:22] <ted> yeah, i wrote the code to use a build id if there's one present
# [00:22] <ted> but we need newer binutils
# [00:22] <ted> on windows you get a GUID in every binary courtesy of the linker
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# [00:25] <protz> mats: I'm off to bed now but I'll try your patch first thing tomorrow morning and I'll confirm that it works
# [00:25] <protz> thanks for taking it over, I'll read your patch carefully to figure out how you fixed it!
# [00:25] <drice> I'm trying to get my hands dirty with my first change and I'm looking at suggestions for the best approach for making information in PRNetAddr (a union) available in a scriptable format. Would a new interface be appropriate, or an anonymous JS Object? Or am I in over my head?
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# [00:26] <philor> mmm, bug 720852
# [00:27] <philor> $5 says one of them is alipay.com
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# [00:28] <philor> johns: am I going to win that bet?
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# [00:32] <johns> philor: There's a handful of them, I didn't bother tracking them all down. I was mostly expecting to get told that these were expected to be used along with proxy sandboxing
# [00:33] <johns> A lot of them seemed to be loading in ads asynchronously, and it looks like the relevent javascript files arn't neutered
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# [00:38] <philor> johns: yeah, that's what I've expected all along in bug 664371, where every so often we get tp5 hangs across multiple trees for a short time, figure that's when some server they shouldn't be accessing anyway is down
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# [00:47] <heycam> blassey, if I install aLogCat, what string should I filter on to get all of fennec's messages?
# [00:47] <blassey> heycam: just grab the whole log
# [00:47] <heycam> blassey, ok
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# [00:47] <blassey> we can parse it afterwards
# [00:48] <heycam> so I'll start logging, run nightly, leave it going for a few minutes, then grab the log
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# [01:20] <philor> glob|away: so, anyway, Bugzilla seems to do fine with lots of comments - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482975#c1000
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# [01:34] <mayhemer> hi, is here anybody that know how NS_IsMainThread gets implemented on android?
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# [01:43] <espindola> what is the easiest way of displaying the failed images of a reftest?
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# [01:45] <espindola> answering by own question, c&p && base64 -D && open
# [01:45] <espindola> my
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# [01:46] <philor> I would have said "click the open reftest analyzer" link on tbpl
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# [01:47] <philor> or, lacking a tbpl for the source, copy-paste into https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/raw-file/tip/layout/tools/reftest/reftest-analyzer.xhtml
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# [01:51] <espindola> do I have to copy and past all of it
# [01:51] <espindola> what I have is
# [01:51] <espindola> http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showlog.cgi?log=MozillaTest/1327370120.1327371268.9702.gz
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# [01:55] <espindola> how do I even get the raw log out of thinderbox
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# [01:56] <Mook_as> remove showlog bits, http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/MozillaTest/1327370120.1327371268.9702.gz
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# [01:56] <espindola> awesome, thanks
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# [01:58] <philor> ugh, tinderbox
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# [02:00] <philor> but, the line before the images, the two lines of images, the line after
# [02:01] <philor> which will tell you that the upper left corner is 1,254,0 instead of 0,255,0
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# [02:05] <espindola> thanks
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# [02:09] <philor> oh, goodie, that's Win debug Moth bustage
# [02:10] <philor> of the log overflowing variety, apparently
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# [02:17] <mbrubeck> Should we add Chrome to the list of required development tools on https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Simple_Firefox_build ? :P
# [02:17] <philor> too much recursion in test_ccdump.xul
# [02:18] <philor> huh, starting from Ms2ger?
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# [02:19] <philor> oh, no, further back
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# [02:19] <tbsaunde> how about we work on making it fast?
# [02:19] <mbrubeck> all the way back to the win debug build bustage...
# [02:21] <mbrubeck> philor: So, looks like jlebar's https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/04b4225269a4 is the culprit?
# [02:21] <philor> so jlebar or luke
# [02:21] <mbrubeck> or possibly luke... yeah
# [02:21] <jlebar> meee?
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# [02:22] <jlebar> philor, the moth failure?
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# [02:22] <philor> jlebar: yeah, debug moth, chrome, infinite too much recursion in test_ccdump.xul
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# [02:23] <jlebar> philor, what's the alternative commit?
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# [02:24] <philor> don't ask me, I loaded a full log, I won't have a browser again for another five minutes
# [02:24] <jlebar> philor, Should write an extension to load it in vim.
# [02:25] <mbrubeck> jlebar: the parent, https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/79deba022227
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# [02:25] <jlebar> oic
# [02:25] * mbrubeck wonders if that'll back out cleanly
# [02:26] <jlebar> mbrubeck, There's a followup a bit higher up.
# [02:26] <mbrubeck> good to know.
# [02:26] <jlebar> but otherwise, yes, it should.
# [02:26] * jlebar would be pretty surprised if that broke cc logs, though.
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# [02:26] <luke> mbrubeck: what are we discussing?
# [02:27] <jlebar> luke, the cset mbrubeck mentioned might have caused windows debug moth permaorange.
# [02:27] <jlebar> Or otherwise, it's its child.
# [02:27] <mbrubeck> Hmm, jlebar's had Try runs, but they were months ago.
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# [02:28] <jlebar> mbrubeck, And, I'll admit, I may have ignored a random-looking Windows moth orange.
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# [02:28] * jlebar will be happy to read every error summary once they don't each take 60s to load.
# [02:28] <mbrubeck> If you happen to have the emails still...
# [02:28] <jlebar> Perhaps!
# [02:29] <mbrubeck> jlebar, luke: Well, one option is to back out both, push both to Try, and re-land the good one.
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# [02:29] <luke> mbrubeck: i have try results from yesterday, lemme look
# [02:29] <jlebar> mbrubeck, Can we re-trigger runs on Luke's commit?
# [02:30] <mbrubeck> Let's see...
# [02:30] <mbrubeck> yes, looks like we can.
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# [02:30] <philor> can we back them both out, get a our first Windows mochitest-chrome results in seven hours, and then try that or try?
# [02:31] <mbrubeck> jlebar: I'd still like to back out in the meantime, so we don't leave inbound broken while we wait.
# [02:31] <jlebar> mbrubeck, sure, that's fine with me.
# [02:31] * jlebar has already re-landed his patch once. :)
# [02:31] <luke> could we hold on for a second
# [02:31] <mbrubeck> sure
# [02:32] <jlebar> luke wants to prove his innocence?
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# [02:32] <luke> i'm looking at a log from try server last night (or trying to)
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# [02:33] <luke> logs are soo sloow
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# [02:33] <philor> heh, way to admit your guilt
# [02:33] <mbrubeck> especially logs with infinite loops in them...
# [02:34] <philor> click the link for the xpcshell
# [02:34] <philor> open full log
# [02:34] * jlebar does not understand why this log parsing is not entirely server-side.
# [02:34] <philor> get the "download raw log" link from that, trim off the filename to get the directory
# [02:34] <mbrubeck> There's a slow server-side part
# [02:34] <jlebar> which is lazy, right?
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# [02:34] <jlebar> It waits until you click before doing anything?
# [02:34] <mbrubeck> and then there's just Firefox struggling to render hundreds of KB of text.
# [02:34] <jlebar> And then does it cache anything?
# [02:34] <philor> when you see that your moth logs are 1.5MB, that's your sign right there, but continue on anyway...
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# [02:34] <jlebar> I mean just clicking on the build in TPBL.
# [02:34] <luke> i'm timing out just trying to load the log
# [02:35] <jlebar> We have the technology to make that fast.
# [02:35] <philor> GUILTY
# [02:35] <philor> WITCH
# [02:35] <philor> STONE HIM
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# [02:36] <philor> https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/lwagner@mozilla.com-1508a11f889a/try-win32-debug/try_win7-debug_test-mochitest-other-build2946.txt.gz and avoid opening that link in a browser
# [02:36] <philor> or use Chrome if you must
# [02:36] <blizzard> STONE HIM
# [02:37] <jlebar> $curl (blah) | wc -c --> 1,603,196
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# [02:38] <blizzard> form of...a bucket of browser!
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# [02:38] <kwierso> loaded just fine for me...
# [02:39] <dolske> *gleek*
# [02:39] <luke> hmm yeah, it does seem to be the same error. fan tastic
# [02:39] <mbrubeck> luke: I'm about to push a backout.
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# [02:40] <luke> mbrubeck: i think it is my cset, so you might as well not backout jlebar
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# [02:40] <mbrubeck> right.
# [02:40] <jlebar> \o/
# [02:40] <mbrubeck> pushed
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# [03:04] <Mossop> My wife made me a pie before she headed down to L.A. for the week. This can only mean one thing ... I get to eat pie tonight :)
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# [03:08] <kwierso> Mossop++
# [03:09] <espindola> anyone knows how to print the raw bytes of a CGImageRef?
# [03:10] <lurking_work> just one pie for all week ?
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# [03:12] <philor> no, one pie for tonight, and eating out for the next six days
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# [03:12] <Callek> gps: sorry to have crushed your hopes on "easy" for cl.py native command
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# [03:13] <Callek> gps: but yea, the bug I duped you to has some nice history with it, including the dep that caused it to be backed out.
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# [03:15] <Mossop> lurking_work: There is also meatloaf in the fridge ;)
# [03:15] <lurking_work> YUmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
# [03:15] <Unfocused> the rest of the time he's just gonna be going through his beer stockpile
# [03:16] <Mossop> Hmm, this is totally not the channel I thought it was. Ah well
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# [03:19] <lurking_work> Of course, if you forget to put it up, the cat's going to be eating good :)
# [03:20] <dholbert> dbaron, ping
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# [03:21] <@dbaron> dholbert, pong
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# [03:23] <gps> Callek: I'm still trying to figure out why Bugzilla made me look like an idiot by not showing that bug in a search :)
# [03:23] <dholbert> dbaron, when we're computing style (in nsRuleNode::ComputeDisplayData in particular), is there a way to tell whether this computed-style is targeting a replaced vs. a non-replaced element?
# [03:23] <Callek> gps: just bad luck?
# [03:24] <dholbert> dbaron, motivation: "float" computes to its initial value on a flexbox item. <img> & other replaced elements are flexbox items, while <span> is not (though they're both "display:inline" by default).
# [03:25] <@dbaron> dholbert, no... and if there were it would cause problems with sharing optimizations
# [03:25] <dholbert> dbaron, (until now, I've just been saying "if your parent is a flexbox, then 'float' computes to its initial value", but that's technically not correct since <spans> inside of flexboxes aren't flexbox items)
# [03:25] <dholbert> dbaron, OK, I'll double-check my spec understanding & then mail the list
# [03:26] <dholbert> dbaron, thanks!
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# [06:24] <Mark_Capella> I'm looking for a reviewer for my first enhancement ... Bug 283685 - Firefox should display the current profile name somewhere... aboutsupport.js, aboutsupport.xhtml and aboutsupport.dtd have minor changes, screenshot of proposed look of the UI change is attached to the bugzilla, recent reviewers to those modules include joe, joedrew, jrmuizel, ehsan, and gavin ... can someone comment ?
# [06:24] <jrmuizel> Mark_Capella: gavin is probably the most appropriate reviewer
# [06:25] <Mark_Capella> okay ... I see his name on a lot of things ... will he be too busy?
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# [06:26] <Mark_Capella> and whats the best way to approach him? IRC, email?
# [06:27] <kwierso> just assign the review to him?
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# [06:28] <Mark_Capella> details please ... 'just assign" is that a bugzilla option I've missed?
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# [06:29] <kwierso> do you already have a patch for this, or are you just talking about wanting to do it?
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# [06:30] <Mark_Capella> I've coded it, tested it, have a diff patch available via hg DIFF command
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# [06:30] <Mark_Capella> (again first enhancement ... unfamiliar to the process)
# [06:31] <kwierso> okay, your steps then would be to add the patch as an attachment to the bug, making sure to mark the "patch" checkbox
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# [06:32] <gavin> Mark_Capella: have you seen https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Introduction ?
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# [06:32] <gavin> (hi)
# [06:35] <Mark_Capella> (hi) - yah ... and several other pages ... sorting out the details .. adding patch now ... whoa ! losta gavins...
# [06:37] <Unfocused> yea, we tried cloning him a few times, but it never quite worked right
# [06:38] <Mark_Capella> :-) . o O (clone)
# [06:38] <@dolske> no doubt a flaw in the original
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# [06:38] <Mark_Capella> hell probably say one of a kind :-P
# [06:39] <@dolske> #GAVINfacts
# [06:39] * @dolske sorta wonders if the "show the profile name" thing should just be an addon.
# [06:40] <Unfocused> dolske: comment 8
# [06:41] <kwierso> dolske: if anything, maybe just add it as a tooltip to the "Open Containing Folder" (or whatever the string is on other platforms) button that opens up the profile folder?
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# [06:42] <gavin> I don't really see the values in adding that string to about:support
# [06:43] <Mark_Capella> ummm ... based on my sketchy knowledge, I thought it was per protocol
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# [06:45] <Mark_Capella> (The string that is)
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# [06:46] <gavin> Mark_Capella: sorry, I meant in fixing that bug
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# [06:46] <gavin> the code looks great :)
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# [06:48] <Mark_Capella> thanks for the code comment ... Honestly? I'm sketchy on who the enhancement is meant to help ... that will drive where the solution shows up ... hey? If all else fails, close the browser and re-start with -P ...
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# [06:50] <gavin> Mark_Capella: yeah, I think we should WONTFIX the bug
# [06:51] <Mark_Capella> That works for me ... either way an item is closed from buzilla :-P
# [06:52] <gavin> good job fixing it, though :)
# [06:52] <gavin> how'd you figure the nsIToolkitProfileService stuff?
# [06:52] <Mark_Capella> (Yay! I drove >nothing< to completion !)
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# [06:53] <Mark_Capella> Oh! I halfway through I found a reference to a similar bug in SeaMonkey
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# [06:53] <Mark_Capella> 39113
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# [06:54] <gavin> oh cool
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# [06:54] <gavin> well there are plenty of other bugs to fix if you're interested :)
# [06:55] <Mark_Capella> I am !! Suggestions are welcome
# [06:55] <Unfocused> http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/ is a great way to discover bugs, fwiw
# [06:56] <gavin> Mark_Capella: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mercurial_FAQ#How_can_I_generate_a_patch_for_somebody_else_to_check-in_for_me.3F has some suggestions for improving the output of |hg diff|, also
# [06:56] <gavin> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Introduction has a link to some bugzilla queries for "good first bugs"
# [06:57] <glob> Unfocused++
# [06:57] <Mark_Capella> noted all of the above ... am looking at bug 589784 as next candidate
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# [06:57] <Mark_Capella> thanks all!
# [06:58] <gavin> #accessibility can help you with that one
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# [06:58] <gavin> (though they tend to be around during european or east-coast business hours, mostly)
# [06:58] <gavin> and feel free to CC me on any bugs you're interested in, I can lend a hand
# [06:59] <Mark_Capella> you guys are great ...
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# [08:36] <Mark_Capella> Following up on earlier discussion of bug 283685 ... should 39113 Seamonkey bug also be RESOLVED / WONTFIX or is that a separate issue not relevant here
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# [08:39] <ewong> separate issue I believe..
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# [08:51] <Ms2ger> philor, m-c looks good to land?
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# [08:52] <philor> Ms2ger: I have trouble imagining it looking any better than that
# [08:52] <Ms2ger> Heh
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# [08:52] <philor> hell, Android crashtests both ran, native and XUL, on the last push
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# [08:54] <kwierso> though I do like how doing a build on this laptop only takes 20-30 minutes on Windows via pymake
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# [08:56] <philor> you can have it quickly, or you can have it start, your choice, apparently
# [08:57] <kwierso> philor: and I just realized that I didn't need to actually make a build to test this patch, I could just modify it directly in my normal Nightly
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# [09:01] <kwierso> or I can't because 7zip doesn't like omni.ja, so I can't modify anything inside it...
# [09:01] <kwierso> that works too
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# [09:07] <philor> I recommend reading through the 7zip bug about omni.jar while you wait for your builds to finish
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# [09:14] <jdm> philor: :(
# [09:15] <jdm> that is a depressing read
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# [09:18] <glazou> bonjour
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# [09:25] <hsivonen> so someone is advocating Mozilla to use XPCOM as a DCOM substitute
# [09:26] <hsivonen> and he calls XPCOM "perfect mechanism"
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# [09:30] <jdm> yeah, I'm reading thow
# [09:30] <jdm> *that now
# [09:31] <jdm> he's too busy speaking to even swallow the kool-aid; it's spraying everywhere
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# [09:52] <Ms2ger> Hrm, talos is T again?
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# [09:53] <nthomas> mm hmm
# [09:54] <Ms2ger> Morning nthomas
# [09:54] <nthomas> 'evening
# [09:54] <Ms2ger> Or that
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# [10:52] <NeilAway> bah
# [10:52] <NeilAway> I got a slow script warning calling DumpJSStack()
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# [11:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/69d3ab27a237 - Oleg Romashin - Bug 720299 - Qt Fennec does not compile with faststartup (undefined reference moz_free/alloc et.c). r=dougt
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# [11:24] <protz> mats: thanks again for helping, but unfortunately that's not helpful for me. However, I'm sure clarkbw will be delighted with the fix :)
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# [11:43] <Xteven> hi
# [11:44] <Xteven> is there a way to get a list of files in a directory in my FF extension ?
# [11:45] <Xteven> or rather: how can I get the path to my installed extension, so I can use relative pathnames ?
# [11:47] <Yoric> You can get a list of files in the extension/ directory.
# [11:47] <Yoric> Are you working in C++ or in JavaScript?
# [11:47] <Xteven> javascript
# [11:48] <Xteven> bbiab
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# [11:50] <Yoric> Xteven: the simplest way is to use FileUtils.
# [11:50] <Yoric> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript_code_modules/FileUtils.jsm
# [11:51] <Yoric> This will let you open a directory.
# [11:51] <Yoric> Then use the methods of file to read the contents of that directory.
# [11:51] <Yoric> Note: I am currently working on making this much simpler, but I am not quite done yet.
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# [12:04] <protz> hsivonen: 2) sounds more reasonable to me, I think you do want the function to have a sensible name, otherwise it's a real pain for addon authors to find it. Because the MDN is mostly useless, what anyone serious does is crawl mxr for anything that might be relevant. It would be great if the first hit for "convert.*toplaintext" was your newly-added function
# [12:05] <protz> leaving the function named unescape-whatever is a great way to make sure no one every finds out that it actualy is a serialization functino
# [12:05] * protz 's two euro-cents
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# [12:08] <@khuey> that's like 2.5 cents
# [12:08] <@khuey> you're not allowed that much input
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# [12:22] <mounir> khuey: you sure it's not like 1000$?
# [12:22] <@khuey> mounir: give it a few more months
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# [12:24] <KaiRo> well, if greece and italy go on like they did, we might as well go the other way round, who knows
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# [12:30] <glandium> the Android headers are defining something like this: typedef struct sigaltstack { ... } stack_t; int sigaltstack(stack_t *, stack_t *);
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# [12:30] <glandium> that fails pretty bad in C++. gcc tells me: no matching function for call to sigaltstack::sigaltstack
# [12:30] <Ms2ger> <3 C
# [12:30] <glandium> candidates are: sigaltstack::sigaltstack(const sigaltstack&)
# [12:30] <glandium> sigaltstack::sigaltstack()
# [12:31] <glandium> you got to love the (stupid) android headers
# [12:31] <Ms2ger> I blame the language :)
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# [12:31] <glandium> anyways, besides using a separate C source file, does anyone have an idea?
# [12:32] <Ms2ger> Would wrapping the include in extern C work?
# [12:32] <glandium> tried, doesn't work
# [12:32] <Ms2ger> Fun
# [12:33] <glandium> OTOH, it's a pretty simple system call, I could implement it around syscall
# [12:33] <Ms2ger> Copy the declarations? :)
# [12:33] <glandium> that would conflict
# [12:33] <glandium> because other headers do include signal.h
# [12:34] <Ms2ger> Out of ideas, then
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# [12:37] <reuben> so is the problem the redefinition of sigaltstack (struct and function), or the redefinition of a system type with the same name?
# [12:37] <reuben> because |typedef struct foo { … } foo_t; int foo(foo_t*, foo_t*);| works for me
# [12:38] <Ms2ger> In C++?
# [12:38] <reuben> yes
# [12:38] <Ms2ger> Interesting
# [12:41] <glandium> mmmmmm
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# [12:42] <Xteven> Yoric: thx :)
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# [12:42] <Yoric> np
# [12:42] <glandium> reuben: note that it's not the declaration that fails, it's using the function
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# [12:42] <Xteven> I was already using fileutils, but I wasn't sure how to obtain a reference to the path where my files are
# [12:42] <Yoric> Xteven: let's continue this conversation on #introduction.
# [12:43] <Yoric> Could be useful to beginners.
# [12:43] <Yoric> (and less so to core Mozilla developers)
# [12:43] <reuben> glandium, right. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1461147
# [12:44] <Xteven> Yoric: ok :)
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# [12:47] <Ms2ger> NS_ENSURE_SUCCESS(aInOutParent && *aInOutParent && aInOutOffset && outBRNode, NS_ERROR_NULL_POINTER);
# [12:47] <Ms2ger> Ah, editor, how I love you
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# [12:49] <glandium> Ms2ger, reuben: oh the subtil issue: the function is *not* defined in the android-5 headers, but is in the android-8 headers. And we're building with the android-5 ones. But the struct is defined
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# [12:49] <glandium> subtle, even
# [12:49] <reuben> ah :)
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# [12:53] <KaiRo> glandium: I guess you got to love Android or it hates you
# [12:54] <glandium> KaiRo: the bionic headers are pretty low quality standard
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# [12:55] <KaiRo> glandium: and some people have said at times that you can't be worse than glibc - I guess they were not talking quality there, though
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# [12:59] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: are you fixing editor code?
# [13:00] <Ms2ger> It happens
# [13:01] <Ms2ger> Btw, is CNavDTD also up for killing?
# [13:01] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: not yet, unfortunately
# [13:01] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: dependencies not removed yet
# [13:01] <Ms2ger> Fun
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# [13:01] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: I'm working on the dependencies right now
# [13:02] <Ms2ger> How long have you been doing this now? :)
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# [13:02] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: September 2008
# [13:03] <hsivonen> *since
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# [13:03] <@smaug> hmm, what has hsivonen been doing since 2008? trying to kill old parser?
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# [13:04] <Ms2ger> I guess leaving a module unmaintained for a decade or so will get you there
# [13:04] <marco> dietrich, ping
# [13:04] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: :-/
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# [13:04] <Ms2ger> Hi mrbkap, we all love the work you did do on it ;)
# [13:04] <hsivonen> smaug: killing the old parser
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# [13:05] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: the difficulty isn't really the parser, afaiui... it's more the bizarro dependancies that sprung up around its implementation details.
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# [13:05] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: see also: about:blank
# [13:06] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [13:06] <Ms2ger> Also: XPCOM
# [13:06] <Ms2ger> And its attempts to let you plug in content sinks
# [13:06] <mrbkap> heh yeah
# [13:07] <mrbkap> IMO that actually was not a terrible idea.
# [13:07] <Ms2ger> HERESY
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# [13:08] <hsivonen> on the topic of terrible ideas: RDF content sink :-)
# [13:08] <regen> why doesn't firefox have built-in cookie management system?
# [13:09] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, s/content sink//
# [13:09] <mrbkap> regen: ?
# [13:09] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: well, in addition to RDF, the RDF content sink implements most content sink methods as stubs
# [13:10] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: so the content sink idea isn't working out very well there
# [13:10] <Ms2ger> Mm
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# [13:15] <marco> can't we get rid of localstore.rdf and use a json file in its place?
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# [13:16] <hsivonen> marco: maybe we could
# [13:16] <hsivonen> marco: sadly, in practice, mailnews dependencies on the old parser are my problem, too
# [13:17] <Unfocused> marco: bug 559505
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# [13:21] <marco> we're also reading it synchronously
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# [13:25] <regen> mrbkap: I wonder why doesn't firefox have a decent cookie management system
# [13:25] <hsivonen> regen: is about:permissions indecent?
# [13:25] <Unfocused> because normal people don't manage cookies
# [13:26] <regen> they eat them, right?
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# [13:26] <regen> I felt users are concious of cookies
# [13:26] <regen> than transparent pixel
# [13:26] <regen> beacon
# [13:26] <Unfocused> yea... no
# [13:26] <regen> aware
# [13:27] <regen> unfocused: for example, they want to login directly, but are concerned about privacy
# [13:27] <regen> they may want some cookies to be not deleted
# [13:27] <Unfocused> cookies are an implementation detail
# [13:28] <regen> wait...is permission manager still in infancy?
# [13:28] <Unfocused> yep
# [13:28] <regen> >_>
# [13:28] <Unfocused> there's no way to get to it via the UI yet
# [13:28] <regen> I can't add sites
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# [13:29] <regen> Q_Q
# [13:29] <regen> ;_;
# [13:29] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, I bet you'll like nsHTMLEditor::RebuildDocumentFromSource :)
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# [13:31] <@smaug> that method name is...interesting
# [13:32] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: that one could use the nsContentUtils stuff I added for DOMParser
# [13:32] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: unless it truly needs to parse head and body separately
# [13:32] <Ms2ger> Who knows what editor needs
# [13:32] <Ms2ger> Except for pain
# [13:33] <KaiRo> regen: the Tahoe Data Manager add-on can do more but is not as beautiful and somewhat clunky in usage at times
# [13:33] <Ms2ger> while (NS_SUCCEEDED(node->HasChildNodes(&hasChild)) && hasChild)
# [13:33] <Ms2ger> {
# [13:33] <Ms2ger> if (NS_SUCCEEDED(node->GetFirstChild(getter_AddRefs(firstChild))))
# [13:33] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: how did arguments like nsCOMPtr<nsIDOMNode> *insertParentNode, ever pass review?
# [13:33] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, I don't want to know, editor is full of it
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# [13:34] <KaiRo> hsivonen: you better ask glazou how stuff in editor could pass reviews in the past :p
# [13:34] <Ms2ger> It also likes doing nsIDOMElement* aElement... nsCOMPtr<nsIDOMNode> node = do_QueryInterface(aElement);
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# [13:34] <KaiRo> hsivonen: my guess is that people were happy that things worked *somehow*
# [13:35] <Ms2ger> "worked" ;)
# [13:35] <@smaug> editor has worked surprisingly well
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# [13:41] <glazou> hmmm KaiRo ?
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# [13:42] <KaiRo> glazou: hsivonen complained how some code constructs in editor ever passed review and I pointed him to you ;-)
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# [13:42] <hsivonen> glazou: how did nsCOMPtr in arguments pass review in the editor in the Netscape days?
# [13:42] <glazou> most of that code is more than 12 years old guys...
# [13:42] <hsivonen> glazou: yeah, but wasn't nsCOMPtr in arguments always against the XPCOM guide?
# [13:42] <glazou> written by Joe Francis, Charles Manske, Akkana Peck, Kath Brade and Kin Blas between 1998 and 2000
# [13:43] <glazou> hsivonen: the two first years, before NS6 were times of hurry, not always times of quality
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# [13:44] <regen> = =
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# [13:45] <Ms2ger> romaxa, ping
# [13:46] <Ms2ger> Anybody who wants to figure out why the |parent| local exists here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/editor/libeditor/html/nsHTMLEditor.cpp#4150 ?
# [13:48] <glazou> Ms2ger: eh !
# [13:48] <glazou> get rid of it
# [13:48] <Ms2ger> Good idea :)
# [13:48] <glazou> what's happening, guys ? you suddenly focus on the editor ?
# [13:49] <Ms2ger> I was looking for particularly ugly code ;)
# [13:49] <glazou> look at caret then
# [13:49] <glazou> serializer is not bad either
# [13:49] <Ms2ger> Well, not quite *that* ugly
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# [13:50] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: I wonder if the parent is meant as some kind of kungFuDeathGrip
# [13:50] <Ms2ger> Might be
# [13:50] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: shouldn't be necessary, of course
# [13:50] <Ms2ger> Not anymore, no
# [13:51] <hsivonen> glazou: the plain text serializer is quite ugly
# [13:51] <glazou> hsivonen: no I think it's a leftover
# [13:51] <glazou> hsivonen: all the serializers are
# [13:51] <glazou> their pretty printing code is insane
# [13:52] <glazou> was so full of bugs it never really worked
# [13:52] <glazou> and I wonder why I am saying "really" here
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# [13:56] <Mark_Capella> Quick question to all ... how do I "clobber" my objdir to get a new / clean build? Just remove the whole sub-directory? (currently C:\Users\Master\mozilla-central\obj-i686-pc-mingw32)
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# [13:56] <gcp> yes
# [13:56] <Mark_Capella> thanks
# [13:56] <Mark_Capella> (terminology)
# [13:57] <gcp> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Clobbering_the_Tree
# [13:57] <WG9s> yes remove obj-i686-pc-mingw32 completely
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# [13:58] <Mark_Capella> thanks again
# [13:58] <Ms2ger> glazou, like this better? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1461171 :)
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# [14:02] <hsivonen> what's the right way to synchronize m-c and c-c landings to avoid burning c-c when m-c changes in an incompatible way?
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# [14:02] <glazou> Ms2ger: eh
# [14:02] <glazou> more readable, sure
# [14:02] <glazou> cleaner
# [14:02] <glazou> rs=glazou :)
# [14:03] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: thanks for pointing out that merge failure (original patch was written on a tree which wasn't up-to-date)
# [14:03] <glazou> that code has probably been untouched sicne 1999
# [14:03] <glazou> since even
# [14:05] <Unfocused> huh, that wiki page is new to me
# [14:05] <Ms2ger> Wouldn't surprise me
# [14:05] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, np
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# [14:10] <edmorley> Unfocused: "that wiki page"? (missing scrollback)
# [14:11] <glazou> ahlala MDN is just totally broken
# [14:12] <Ms2ger> edmorley, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Clobbering_the_Tree
# [14:12] <edmorley> ah, thanks
# [14:12] <Ms2ger> glazou, you don't want to know how much we pay for it :/
# [14:12] <glazou> mdn ?
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# [14:13] <Ms2ger> Dekiwiki support
# [14:13] <glazou> eh
# [14:14] <reuben> we pay for that… weird, slow, horrible, C# thing?!
# [14:15] <glazou> I love it; all, just all, code examples in MDN are replace with a red error
# [14:15] <rag> Hi dao, I'm rogerio.rag.
# [14:15] <glazou> verrrrrrrry useful
# [14:15] <reuben> we should delay load flash in background tabs like safari
# [14:15] <dao> rag: hi
# [14:16] <rag> about the new style of webconsole.
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# [14:17] <Ms2ger> edmorley, you're such a nice guy behind my back ;)
# [14:17] <rag> How to inspect a object retrived by document.getElementById(...)?
# [14:17] <edmorley> Ms2ger: peeking at the logs I see... ;-)
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# [14:18] <edmorley> (and only cos it's you... :P)
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# [14:22] <Ms2ger> You're nice to everyone else? :(
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# [14:25] <Unfocused> edmorley, Ms2ger: no,i meant https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Glossary
# [14:25] <Ms2ger> That sounds interesting
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# [14:25] <Ms2ger> "For example, patented encryption code licensed from RSA Security by Netscape cannot be released as part of the NSS project on Mozilla."
# [14:25] <edmorley> Ms2ger: I was only messing :-)
# [14:26] <Ms2ger> Those were the days
# [14:26] <rag> dao: Can you say me who is?
# [14:26] <dao> rag: apparently there's a #devtools channel
# [14:26] <rag> dao: ok, thanks!
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# [14:54] <edmorley> om my, this is going to be a big merge
# [14:55] <edmorley> s/om/oh/
# [14:55] <Ms2ger> Yeah
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# [15:00] <mrbkap> hsivonen: Do you know why the first tag in view source is always red? Like it's in error?
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# [15:00] <hsivonen> mrbkap: doctype missing
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# [15:01] <hsivonen> mrbkap: see tooltip on that tag
# [15:01] <hsivonen> mrbkap: it's a bit unfortunate for View Selection Source, though
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# [15:01] <mrbkap> hsivonen: hmm, can we suppress that in some cases? For example view selection source isn't a complete document.
# [15:01] <mrbkap> hsivonen: hah, yeha.
# [15:01] <mrbkap> yeah*
# [15:02] <hsivonen> mrbkap: in the future, hopefully
# [15:02] <mrbkap> hsivonen: So any non-HTML5 doctype is an error now?
# [15:02] <mrbkap> ok
# [15:02] <Ms2ger> It isn't, is it?
# [15:02] <mrbkap> hsivonen: Is there a bug on file for that, yet?
# [15:02] <Ms2ger> There's a dozen non-errors, iirc
# [15:02] <hsivonen> mrbkap: there are other non-error doctypes
# [15:02] <mrbkap> hmm, ok
# [15:03] <mrbkap> It's just surprising to see bugzilla's doctypes as errors.
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# [15:03] <hsivonen> mrbkap: I don't see a bug on file about View Selection Source
# [15:04] <mrbkap> hsivonen: ok, I can file.
# [15:04] <mrbkap> hsivonen: does that belong in Core :: Parser?
# [15:04] <hsivonen> mrbkap: bugzilla uses an almost-standards-mode doctype
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# [15:04] <hsivonen> mrbkap: yeah
# [15:04] <mrbkap> hsivonen: right -- why is that an error?
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# [15:05] <Ms2ger> mrbkap, http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/syntax.html#obsolete-permitted-doctype-string
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# [15:05] <Ms2ger> All conforming doctypes trigger standards mode
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# [15:07] <mrbkap> hsivonen: actually, it seems like we shouldn't show errors for containment rules either for view selection source.
# [15:07] <mrbkap> hsivonen: since the selection might not include e.g. a table but contain a <tr> tag.
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# [15:09] <hsivonen> mrbkap: maybe it's the easiest to suppress all errors for View Selection Source
# [15:10] <edmorley> tbpl so slow today :-(
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# [15:14] <mrbkap> hsivonen: actually that's exactly right, since the document has to be well-formed.
# [15:14] <mrbkap> hsivonen: since this is the serialized DOM that we're dealing with.
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# [15:14] <mrbkap> hsivonen: which should be fully fixed up.
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# [15:15] <Ms2ger> mrbkap, hmm, it's XML, I guess?
# [15:15] <hsivonen> mrbkap: the most interesting bit is: how to communicate to the View Source back end that we are viewing selection source
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# [15:16] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: that actually depends on the original document.
# [15:16] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: we HTML-serialize HTML documents.
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# [15:16] <mrbkap> hsivonen: I don't remember how view selection source works anymore.
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# [15:17] <Ms2ger> How about document.body.appendChild(document.createElement("a")).appendChild(document.createElement("a"))?
# [15:17] <mrbkap> I filed bug 721003 on this, fwiw.
# [15:17] <mrbkap> mmm
# [15:17] <Bas> Does anybody know of a a whole bunch reported leaks occasionally on OSX 10.6
# [15:17] <mrbkap> true
# [15:17] <Ms2ger> Bas, link?
# [15:17] <hsivonen> mrbkap: it serializes the selection, and appends it to view-source:data:text/html;charset=utf-8,
# [15:17] <mrbkap> hsivonen: oh, right.
# [15:17] <hsivonen> mrbkap: thanks
# [15:18] <Bas> Ms2ger: I don't really have a link except to my try server build, but now I'm reproducing the -exact same- set of leaks(intermittently) on a clean mozilla-inbound build locally. So I'm wondering if I'm just making an existing issue worse, but it seems so unlikely.
# [15:18] * mrbkap votes for a special (internal) mime type.
# [15:18] <Ms2ger> No idea
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# [15:20] <Ms2ger> Heh, MipsPro
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# [15:23] <Bas> Ms2ger: fwiw, it looks a lot like this https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8764942&full=1&branch=try#error0
# [15:23] <hsivonen> I'm not a fan of the codebase containing two HTML sanitizers
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# [15:23] <Ms2ger> I'm not a fan of the codebas either
# [15:24] <hsivonen> "I am not proud about the implementation here at all."
# [15:24] <hsivonen> "Feel free to fix it :-)."
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# [15:24] <hsivonen> reassuring comment near the start of the impl
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# [15:27] <BenWa> What's the mozilla version of 'DISALLOW_COPY_AND_ASSIGN'?
# [15:28] <Ms2ger> Use MOZ_DELETE
# [15:30] <BenWa> We should have a better macro then that
# [15:30] <Ms2ger> Meh
# [15:30] <Ms2ger> We might have one
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# [15:36] * lurking Meh! Fennec bugs should have [F] in the bug title so I don't waste time looking at them on merges to see if anything 'interesting' landed for Firefox
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# [15:38] <lurking> Yeah, that helps, I agree
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# [15:44] <@smaug> idiot me. nsCOMPtr<XPCVariant> variant = do_QueryInterface(variant); is kind of silly and it even crashes
# [15:45] <Ms2ger> Heh
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# [15:46] <Ms2ger> edmorley, marked the bugs already?
# [15:47] <mak> uh, what a merge
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# [15:48] <edmorley> Ms2ger: about to (once I get off this Skype call with a client)
# [15:50] <@bsmedberg> A pointer to a reference is invalid C++?
# [15:50] <jdm> I don't believe so
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# [15:50] <@bsmedberg> bug 168790 claims it is
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# [15:51] <Ms2ger> If nobody's complained about it since 2003, I guess compilers don't mind
# [15:53] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, loving your work, btw
# [15:54] <mfinkle> bhearsum|buildduty, can you respin the mobile nightlies?
# [15:54] <mfinkle> we have a crash for froyo devices and the fix is on m-c
# [15:54] <bhearsum|buildduty> sure
# [15:54] <bhearsum|buildduty> the current tip of default?
# [15:55] <jdm> hmm
# [15:55] <jdm> I see other places claiming it's illegal as well
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# [15:55] <mfinkle> bhearsum|buildduty, yes please
# [15:56] <bhearsum|buildduty> k, triggered with 0d5ad6a6f814 as the rev
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# [15:58] <Ms2ger> mfinkle--
# [15:58] <Ms2ger> do_GetService(NS_OBSERVERSERVICE_CONTRACTID); in new Gecko code? No thanks
# [15:58] <mfinkle> Ms2ger, ?
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# [15:59] <@bsmedberg> mozilla::services::GetObserverService
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# [16:02] <@bsmedberg> ooh, "PHP bindings for XPCOM"
# [16:02] <Ms2ger> !
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# [16:02] <@bz> saywhat?
# [16:03] <@bsmedberg> 180482 WONTFIXed without comment ;-)
# [16:03] <@bz> aha
# [16:03] <@bz> I see!
# [16:03] <Ms2ger> It seemed like a good idea at the time...
# [16:03] <@bsmedberg> bz: you said "If someone contributes a patch, well and good." in comment 4 ;-)
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# [16:03] <@bsmedberg> shows how much we've learned!
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# [16:04] <@bz> bsmedberg: well, I never expected anyone to actually contribute the patch. ;)
# [16:04] <Ms2ger> Took us a while, though
# [16:04] <smontagu> gotta love the original bug summary before bz changed it "XUL + PHP not JS"
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# [16:05] <Ms2ger> khuey, thanks for following up on my comment on 2010-11-23 :)
# [16:06] <@khuey> np
# [16:06] <sewardj> bjarne: ping
# [16:07] <Ms2ger> edmorley, starting to mark bugs from the top
# [16:07] <bjarne> sewardj: pong - but be quick
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# [16:07] <sewardj> bjarne: how do i run the tests added by the patch in 712956 ?
# [16:07] <Ms2ger> Cwiiis, no need for [inbound], it's just make-work for the merge vikings
# [16:08] <froydnj> gcp: ouch!
# [16:08] <Ms2ger> And glandium
# [16:08] <gcp> froydnj: the comment was just asking for it, IMHO :P
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# [16:09] <@khuey> Ms2ger: 41274
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# [16:09] <jdm> hee hee
# [16:09] <Ms2ger> khuey++
# [16:09] <bjarne> sewardj: xpcshell w/ SOLO_FILE=cache_stresstest.... (check the patch for the exact name)
# [16:10] <jdm> there's actually a repo on my github page where I started working on a vbscript interpreter with the intent of tying it into firefox
# [16:10] <jdm> it came out of a coversation with jrmuizel years agi
# [16:10] <glandium> Ms2ger: i didn't get the memo
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# [16:10] <Ms2ger> glandium, here's your memo, then ;)
# [16:10] <bjarne> sewardj: (as mentioned in the bug, it would make life simpler if there was a framework/infrastruecure for benchmarks)
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# [16:11] <sewardj> bjarne: thx.
# [16:11] <Ms2ger> Also, setting TM is appreciated
# [16:11] <bjarne> sewardj: np
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# [16:12] <@khuey> Ms2ger: and 217464 and 257500
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# [16:15] <@bsmedberg> bz: is bug 188328 still valid? It looks like it to me, oddly enough
# [16:15] <NeilAway> hsivonen: does that also explain why I get parse errors on xml source (trying to parse as html5?)
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# [16:16] <Cwiiis> Ms2ger, ah ok, I'll stop doing that then :)
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# [16:16] <Ms2ger> Cwiiis, thanks
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# [16:19] <@bz> bsmedberg: lookin
# [16:20] <@bz> bsmedberg: Probably still valid, yes
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# [16:25] <edmorley> Ms2ger: off the call now (and my cup of tea is still warmish \o/), I'll start from the bottom
# [16:26] <Ms2ger> Great, thanks
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# [16:38] <Ms2ger> Hi ehsan
# [16:38] <@ehsan> hey
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# [16:39] <Ms2ger> I left a surprise in your inbox
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# [16:44] <edmorley> thank you for doing 80% of it :-)
# [16:44] <Ms2ger> Only 80%? ;)
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# [16:46] <edmorley> it would have no doubt been 100% of it if you hadn't paused to do the ascii art in bug 675078 ;-)
# [16:46] <edmorley> (though it warranted it :-))
# [16:46] <Ms2ger> I'd paused to do my own push, actually
# [16:46] <Ms2ger> And there's one in 566700 as well
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# [16:47] <edmorley> anyway, thank you for doing most of the merge, it was a nice surprise once I got off the call :-)
# [16:47] <Ms2ger> edmorley, and hey, this is more fun than studying for my exam tomorrow :)
# [16:48] <mak> exam on ascii art?
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# [16:48] <Ms2ger> Algorithms and data structures
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# [16:48] <@khuey> what is a data structure?
# [16:48] <Ms2ger> khuey, twss
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# [16:49] <edmorley> khuey: something used to construct clownshoes
# [16:49] <@khuey> ah
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# [16:49] <Ms2ger> edmorley++
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# [16:51] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: don't see any emails from you
# [16:51] <Ms2ger> ehsan, ignoring bugmail?
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# [16:53] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: sort of ;)
# [16:54] <Ms2ger> Alright, then you're got a surprise in your review queue :)
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# [16:55] <froydnj> oh for a real git mirror
# [16:55] <Ms2ger> froydnj--
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# [16:55] <froydnj> ouch
# [16:56] <jbuck> froydnj: is the github mirror not working for you?
# [16:56] <froydnj> jbuck: it's not updated every push, is it?
# [16:56] <froydnj> I was using doublec's, actually
# [16:57] <jbuck> yeah, that's what I use too. to the bes tof my knowledge it's updated every few hours on a cron job
# [16:57] <jlebar> jbuck, yes, I think that's how it works.
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# [16:58] <froydnj> every couple of hours is better than every 24-ish, I suppose
# [16:58] <Yoric> Has anybody heard of « PowerFox » and « AddonFox », supposedly « a Mozilla approved addon monetization solution.»?
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# [17:00] <fabrice1> Yoric: there's no such "approved" solution. But you should chime in #amo
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# [17:00] <Yoric> Will do.
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# [17:09] <gaston> grml tb 10.0b4 fails to link its libxul on ppc due to too many relocations for the available memory.. but fx 10.0b4 builds
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# [17:13] <gaston> but still, some people (openbsd, tenfourfox..) try to use it :)
# [17:13] <Standard8> well it isn't tier anything afaik
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# [17:14] <gaston> i'm surprise firefox links libxul, but not thunderbird...
# [17:14] <Standard8> we pack more into libxul
# [17:14] <Standard8> i.e. mailnews
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# [17:14] <gaston> http://pastie.org/3250569 <- i'm already using -Wl,--no-keep-memory but seems it's not enough
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# [17:42] <Ms2ger> "Inbound is no replacement for Try. You still need to test your patches before pushing."
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# [17:59] <espindola> jprmc: the bugs you asked about are 672210, 695726 and 629459
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# [18:14] <edmorley> philor: what are your thoughts in the increase in linux PGO m1 orange? I've retriggered a few to see where it started increasing, but don't have much to go on yet
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# [18:16] <philor> edmorley: it's Linux, it's media/
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# [18:16] <philor> picture a guy with a hammer, and a fence of infinite length, and he's just plodding along with absolutely no expression on his face, pounding in nails
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# [18:19] <glob> lies.
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# [18:20] <edmorley> lol
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# [18:22] <sid0> mmm, this panel alignment stuff is buggier than I expected
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# [18:24] <sid0> Enn: what does "app units relative to the screen" mean? I'm seeing values like x=33719 for nscoords, what does that mean?
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# [18:26] <Ms2ger> sid0, app units are 1/60th of a CSS pixel, IIRC
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# [18:27] <sid0> Ms2ger: ah, so setting an app unit to 1 from 0 shouldn't shift its position by much I guess
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# [18:27] <Ms2ger> I don't think our subpixel layout is that fine-grained
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# [18:28] <sid0> Ms2ger: right, well, setting a rect's height to 1 seems to be the easy way of preventing an intersect test from failing when it really should pass :)
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# [18:28] <sid0> 0's a degenerate case, heh
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# [18:35] <cviecco> So I am trying to build and run firefox-beta from OSX 10.7 (xcode 4.2.1) and tough it compiles and builds firefox segfaults at (I think) at the first attempt of a network conection. I segfaults Any hints where did I went wrong?
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# [18:37] <cviecco> OK different behavior. Segfaults after a little bit later(I was able to google for mozilla)
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# [18:42] <imelven> are you using clang ? (is it in your mozconfig ? )
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# [18:43] <imelven> cviecco ^^
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# [18:45] <cviecco> I am using gcc
# [18:45] <cviecco> (clang was claiming problems with pthreads)
# [18:46] <imelven> hm ok
# [18:47] <imelven> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mac_OS_X_Build_Prerequisites#4._Configure_source_tree_for_build_options
# [18:47] <cviecco> in particular: i686-apple-darwin11-llvm-gcc-4.2 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2336.1.00)
# [18:47] <imelven> talks about adding clang to the mozconfig
# [18:47] <imelven> and i vaguely remember hearing that non-clang builds may crash but i might be misremembering that :/
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# [18:48] <imelven> im looking in bugzilla but not finding a relevant bug at the moment
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# [18:49] <cviecco> the clang compilating was failing something like 'too many organges'. Which I unserstood as too many warnings.
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# [19:03] <kylo_kit> Hey all. I'm running into an issue with the Gecko SDK and the dom.ipc.plugins.enabled stuff. Looks like plugin-container.exe doesn't know how to find the DLLs when running an app with the xulrunner-stub.exe (which generally resides as a peer to the "xulrunner" directory with all the DLLs stashed in there)...
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# [19:04] <kylo_kit> Basically, if you pull copies of all the DLLs listed in dependentlibs.list into the same directory as xulrunner-stub, all is good. Otherwise, any browser running flash, silverlight, quicktime, etc. will cause a system hang/crash
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# [19:08] <kylo_kit> I'm trying to verify this in the code so I can submit a bug, but this is my first time diving into the SDK source and I'm not sure I'm seeing it...
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# [19:11] <NeilAway> kylo_kit: I can confirm that if the browser fails to start plugin-container.exe then it hangs, at least back when I had a bug in my build that stopped plugin-container.exe from being able to start
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# [19:13] <hsivonen> NeilAway: XML source uses a different mode
# [19:14] <kylo_kit> NeilAway: cool. What I want to do is confirm that there's a simple DLL path issue.
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# [19:14] <hsivonen> NeilAway: but it support Web XML. chrome XML has syntax that the highlighter doesn't support
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# [19:40] <timeless> hi hsivonen
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# [19:41] <blassey> coop|mtg: are you coming to the testing meeting?
# [19:41] <coop|mtg> blassey: i'm double-booked...is bear-afk not there?
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# [19:42] <zwol> Anyone around who knows anything about the code in layout/printing/ ?
# [19:42] <romaxa> Ms2ger: pong
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# [19:43] <Ms2ger> You had a busted build on m-c this morning
# [19:43] <romaxa> timeless: heh, did you give aparments for rent?
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# [19:43] <romaxa> Ms2ger: oh
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# [19:43] <timeless> romaxa: no, i really should :(
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# [19:44] <romaxa> timeless: it does not make sense to keep apartments wasting money for nothing
# [19:44] <timeless> romaxa: sure
# [19:44] <timeless> but the headache of trying to deal w/ a real-estate agent/etc was more than i could stomach last year
# [19:44] * timeless should try to deal w/ it nowish
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# [19:45] <romaxa> timeless: I just sent one signed paper to agents, and they did everyhting for me
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# [19:45] <timeless> what did the paper say? just blanket auth to do everything?
# [19:45] <romaxa> Ms2ger: hmm was it my fault
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# [19:46] <Ms2ger> Looks like not
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# [19:46] <romaxa> timeless: blanket for renting, and that they will take care about searching good tentnts et.c., agreement about 1-st rent payment...
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# [19:47] <romaxa> timeless: they were only notifying us about possible candidates with their profile
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# [19:48] <romaxa> timeless: http://www.vuokraturva.fi/
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# [19:50] <timeless> RIM
# [19:50] <timeless> outside Toronto
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# [19:51] * timeless needs to go back and read some WebRTC stuff :(
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# [19:52] <jesup> Aha. Maire and I now work for Mozilla. Worldgate has pretty much shut down (3 employees, none engineers).
# [19:53] <timeless> you had at least one child, did you have more?
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# [19:57] <maire> blizzard: where's the 11am shipping meeting happening? I'm thinking of stopping by.
# [19:58] <blizzard> maire: warp core
# [19:58] <maire> blizzard: thanks.
# [20:00] <Honza> How an extension (e.g. chrome JavaScript) can find out whether it's running within 32 or 64 bit Firefox?
# [20:01] <biesi> Honza, get the ABI from nsIXULRuntime, maybe? but why do you care?
# [20:01] <Honza> what is ABI?
# [20:02] <Honza> biesi: Ah, I see it now
# [20:02] <biesi> ABI=application binary interface, the xulruntime field tells you which one it's using
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# [20:03] <jlebar> firebot, !seen jmuizelaar
# [20:03] <firebot> I've never seen a 'jmuizelaar', sorry.
# [20:03] <Honza> biesi: So, I am seeing XPCOMABI, is that what you mean?
# [20:03] <biesi> Honza, yes
# [20:03] <gavin> biesi: I don't think that will tell you whether you'r running the 32 or 64 bit version of the universal binary
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# [20:04] <biesi> gavin, are you sure?
# [20:04] <biesi> gavin, afaik it should, but I could be wrong
# [20:04] <gavin> biesi: looks like it's build-time only... http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/xre/nsAppRunner.cpp#739
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# [20:04] <biesi> gavin, sure, but a universal binary has two different builds
# [20:05] <gavin> hrm true
# [20:05] <biesi> but I have no mac, so I can't checkl
# [20:05] <biesi> though I guess we don't do ppc anymore anyway
# [20:05] <Mossop> I think it does tell you
# [20:06] <Mossop> So much that we had to implement a different property for app update to tell that it was running in a universal build
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# [20:11] <espindola> jrmuizel: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1461427
# [20:11] <espindola> clang++ -o test.o -c -g test.cpp
# [20:11] <espindola> clang++ test.o -o test -framework ApplicationServices
# [20:11] <espindola> jrmuizel: test with -arch i386 too
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# [20:18] <espindola> armenzg: ping
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# [20:21] <armenzg> espindola: pong
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# [20:23] <espindola> armenzg: on http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showlog.cgi?log=MozillaTest/1327370120.1327371268.9702.gz&fulltext=1
# [20:23] <espindola> you ran the 32 bit tests on 10.6
# [20:23] <espindola> we normally only run them on 10.5
# [20:23] <espindola> was that intentional
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# [20:24] <armenzg> espindola: not necessarily
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# [20:24] <jlebar> taras, What's the status of reporting the list of installed add-ons in telemetry?
# [20:24] <armenzg> espindola: not intentional
# [20:24] <taras> jlebar: it's on
# [20:25] <jlebar> taras, Not in bug 715927, but somewhere else?
# [20:25] <taras> err
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# [20:25] <taras> jlebar: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/telemetry/TelemetryPing.js#287
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# [20:25] <espindola> armenzg: ah, jeff and I think we just found a bug on the 32 bit OS...
# [20:25] <espindola> checking that right now
# [20:25] <jlebar> taras, Well, that looks like we're reporting the list of add-ons.
# [20:25] <jlebar> taras, thanks. :)
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# [20:26] <taras> that bug is for doing histograms in addons
# [20:26] <taras> the inverse
# [20:26] <taras> :)
# [20:26] <armenzg> espindola: I used the universal for opt builds and debug build for the debug tests
# [20:26] <jlebar> taras, I was thrown off by comment 19: "My understanding is that we have resisted tracking installed addons out of privacy concerns."
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# [20:26] <armenzg> macosx-universal-nightly/firefox-12.0a1.en-US.mac.dmg
# [20:26] <armenzg> ^ this was used for Leopard, Leopard, Snow Leopard
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# [20:27] <taras> jlebar: heh, this is what you get for reading anything other than the source :)
# [20:27] <armenzg> espindola: can I assume that you can take care of fixing the 4 oranges? (3 from Lion, 1 for Snow Leopard)
# [20:27] <jlebar> :D
# [20:27] <armenzg> I am trying to write a summary for people on the bug
# [20:27] <jlebar> taras, I'll ask you *before* I comment, next time. :)
# [20:28] <taras> jlebar: fyi
# [20:28] <taras> saptashi was already doing some memory usage study for addons
# [20:28] <taras> dunno if he got anywhere
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# [20:28] <espindola> armenzg: so, the 32 bit debug on
# [20:28] <espindola> e
# [20:29] <espindola> running on 10.6, is something we never do
# [20:29] <jlebar> taras, I'd be interested to talk to him about that.
# [20:29] <armenzg> ah right
# [20:29] <armenzg> espindola: so I should change that
# [20:29] <jlebar> taras, One could correlate with other things, e.g. gc/cc times.
# [20:29] <espindola> and we found what looks like an OS bug with it
# [20:29] <espindola> I will update the bug in one sec
# [20:30] <armenzg> thanks
# [20:30] <armenzg> let me see if I can figure out how to modify my sendchanges
# [20:30] <taras> jlebar: sync up with njn, he's the memshrink contact for this
# [20:30] <taras> but yeah
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# [20:30] <taras> we could do general purpose correlations :)
# [20:31] <jlebar> taras, I'll ask njn when he wakes up. I'd heard him talking about doing this analysis, but he never mentioned that someone was doing it.
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# [20:31] <gcp> taras: Fennec telemetry claims everyone either has a 0MB places.sqlite or a 200M one
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# [20:31] <taras> gcp: ha
# [20:31] <taras> mak: ^
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# [20:32] <mak> gcp: firefox 9 is bogus
# [20:32] <mak> gcp: MBvsKB problem
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# [20:33] <gcp> ok
# [20:33] <espindola> armenzg: yes, we have a test that works on 10.5 but fails on 10.6 (32 bits)
# [20:33] <espindola> will comment and open a radar
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# [20:34] <armenzg> espindola: ok cool
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# [20:35] <espindola> armenzg: do we do 32 bit test runs on 10.7?
# [20:35] <espindola> the bug is in there too...
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# [20:36] <armenzg> espindola: I am adjusting my script so we test leak unit tests with the 64-bit build rather than the 32-bit one
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# [20:36] <armenzg> tomorrow we should have new results
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# [20:37] <espindola> ok. armenzg would be nice to do the same runs we do in production:
# [20:37] <espindola> 32 bit test run on 10.5
# [20:37] <espindola> 64 bit test on 10.6
# [20:37] <edmorley> Ms2ger: I think it's just pidgin just being silly when I'm joined to more than 6-7 channels :-(
# [20:37] <espindola> universal 10.6
# [20:37] <armenzg> it was my bad
# [20:37] <espindola> and ??? on 10.7
# [20:37] <armenzg> it went unnoticed
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# [20:37] <Ms2ger> What's pidgin? :)
# [20:37] <armenzg> I asssume 64-bit, no?
# [20:37] <espindola> armenzg: np, you did find an interesting apple bug
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# [20:38] <armenzg> not intentionally! :P
# [20:38] <espindola> armenzg: I assume so, but never looked at the 10.7 try logs
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# [20:38] <AopicieR> hi; I've posted my first tiny patch under a bug report; do I need to contact someone personally now and ask him if he wants to review it?
# [20:39] <AopicieR> the only person I could think of is already in the CC list
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# [20:39] <jdm> AopicieR: which bug?
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# [20:39] <jdm> AopicieR: you should set the review? flag on the patch from the attachment details page
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# [20:39] <AopicieR> jdm: 512529
# [20:39] <jdm> AopicieR: specifically, give the bugzilla id of the person who should review it
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# [20:41] <AopicieR> jdm: karlt has worked on the bug before and according to hg log has reviewed changes to files involved in my patch; so should I just put him after the review? flag?
# [20:41] <AopicieR> or ask him first?
# [20:41] <jdm> AopicieR: yeah. use :karlt
# [20:41] <jdm> AopicieR: if he's not the right person, he'll probably redirect it to someone who is
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# [20:42] <AopicieR> sorry for being stupid, but what do I put in the Requestee field?
# [20:43] <biesi> AopicieR, :karlt
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# [20:43] <AopicieR> ah, now I see the completion
# [20:43] <AopicieR> okay, thank you
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# [20:44] <armenzg> espindola: 64-bit debug for Lion http://stage.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-central-macosx64-debug/1327477912/firefox-12.0a1.en-US.mac64.dmg
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# [20:45] <NeilAway> hsivonen: what, so no doctypes or entities in web xml?
# [20:45] <espindola> armenzg: so we are normally building 64 bit debug builds and running tests with them? OK, 64 bit is fine as far as I can tell
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# [20:46] <armenzg> espindola: yep
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# [20:46] <edmorley> Ms2ger: http://pidgin.im/ (though I don't use windows live messenger much any more, so I guess I could now just switch to an IRC-only client)
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# [20:47] <Ms2ger> Oh, MSN messenger
# [20:47] <Ms2ger> We used that when I was young
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# [20:52] <mreid> gavin, ping
# [20:52] <gavin> mreid: pong
# [20:52] <mreid> gavin, what's my next step on bug 720785? Should I r? you on the obsolete patch? re-submit it?
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# [20:54] <mreid> gavin, srry I'm a bugzilla noob :-/
# [20:55] <gavin> mreid: np, you can just re-request review in those cases and remove the "obsolete" flag on the attachment
# [20:55] <gavin> mreid: I just did that
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# [20:56] <gavin> mreid: we should at the very least also get a followup bug on file for the better trunk approach of sharing code
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# [20:57] <mreid> gavin, cool, I'll file that follow-up bug now.
# [20:57] <mreid> thanks
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# [20:58] <kylo_kit> Hey all. I found an issue with the oop plugins stuff (dom.ipc.plugins.enabled) when running xulrunner-stub from the Gecko SDK. Looks like the process that kicks off plugin-container.exe assumes that it is a peer to the current process executable (CommandLine::ForCurrentProcess()->program())... that of course fails when running the xulrunner-stub.exe as a peer to the xulrunner directory
# [20:58] <kylo_kit> (which is the recommended way).
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# [21:01] <kylo_kit> I'd like to try to fix the path issue for my own build... but I'm new to the Gecko source and I'm not sure where to start. Seems like XPCOMGlue may be a part of the fix, but I'm not sure why a proper path resolve for the GRE wasn't used in the first place...
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# [21:02] <kylo_kit> anyone know anything about the IPC stuff? Specifically GeckoChildProcessHost?
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# [21:04] <jdm> kylo_kit: yeah, I know IPC stuff
# [21:04] <jdm> what do you mean by "peer to the xulrunner directory"?
# [21:04] <jdm> as in, present in the same directory?
# [21:05] <kylo_kit> jdm: yes
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# [21:05] <jdm> kylo_kit: alright, remind me where it obtains a path to the process to run?
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# [21:07] <kylo_kit> jdm: ipc/glue/GeckoChildProcessHost.cpp - GetPathToBinary
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# [21:07] <jdm> hmm, interesting
# [21:08] <kylo_kit> that seems hacky, yes?
# [21:08] <jdm> I agree
# [21:08] <jdm> kylo_kit: if you have the ability to build locally, could you see what happens if you take the OS_POSIX path instead?
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# [21:11] <kylo_kit> yeah, I can try that. I'm guess I just mucking with the if defineds? You don't know how to do an incremental build for just plugin-container.exe, do you? I'm sure I can dig around online...
# [21:11] <WeirdAl> Are there any crashes known to happen when launching Mochitest at this time?
# [21:12] <jdm> kylo_kit: if you change the defines temporarily, then build ipc/glue and toolkit/library, it should work. probably.
# [21:12] <WeirdAl> I'm doing final prep on a patch, and I'm seeing a startup crash in the current trunk.
# [21:12] <kylo_kit> jdm: I'm digging your confidence. I will try this :)
# [21:12] <jdm> WeirdAl: wouldn't tbpl look like that indian festival of colour if that were the case?
# [21:12] <WeirdAl> that's what I'd think
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# [21:13] <WeirdAl> or the Chinese New Year
# [21:13] <kylo_kit> jdm: Assuming this fixes my problem, this is valid material for bugzilla, yes?
# [21:13] <jdm> kylo_kit: yeah, sounds like it to me
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# [21:14] <kylo_kit> jdm: cool, thanks!
# [21:14] <jdm> I'm pretty sure we are not intentionally trying to prevent xulrunner consumers from using OOPP
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# [21:15] <bhearsum|buildduty> FYI folks: the try repo is undergoinging emergency maintenance, as it somehow managed to hose itself today
# [21:15] <kylo_kit> jdm: ha. Yeah.
# [21:15] <bhearsum|buildduty> it's been broken for the past ~20min or so, and won't be available for pushes for a bit longer
# [21:16] <Mook_as> WeirdAl: are you on windows?
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# [21:17] <jdm> lsblakk++
# [21:18] <jdm> I just saw the autoland bot doing its thing
# [21:18] <jdm> that looks exciting
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# [21:18] <jlebar> bhearsum|buildduty, Thanks for the heads-up!
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# [21:33] <jdm> zpao++
# [21:34] <jdm> tabs in the titlebar on osx would be great
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# [21:40] <sheppy> Makes the grabbable area of the title bar too small. :)
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# [21:41] <jdm> sheppy: all you have to do is open panorama whenever you want to move the window. no big deal.
# [21:41] <sheppy> oof.
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# [21:44] <bhearsum|buildduty> OK, try is back open
# [21:45] <taras> ehsan: your glxgears thing rules
# [21:45] <taras> best use of webgl ever
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# [21:51] <bhearsum|buildduty> gcp: what symptom are you seeing?
# [21:51] <gcp> abort: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
# [21:52] <gcp> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration
# [21:52] <gcp> already fails
# [21:52] <bhearsum|buildduty> looking into it with IT
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# [21:54] <zpao> jdm: i figured i was already in cocoa widget land, i may as well see what other fish we have to fry there. i may be in over my head with that though (i'm _hoping_ mstange sees the activity and finishes it)
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# [22:03] <biesi> drice, pong
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# [22:04] <drice> biesi: it was recommended that I consult you for a change (my first) I was considering. I'm not sure what the favored time or means of doing so is. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720846
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# [22:05] <biesi> drice, ah nice
# [22:05] <drice> (really?)
# [22:05] <biesi> interesting
# [22:05] <biesi> yes, really :)
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# [22:06] <biesi> hmm I thought that sockettransport had string versions of those addresses, but clearly that's not the case
# [22:06] <drice> Basically I was going to create an nsINetAddr or something. And add some methods to nsISocketTransport - something to the tune of getScriptableSelfAddr
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# [22:06] <biesi> I'd call it getSelfAddr and rename the existing one to getNativeSelfAddr
# [22:07] <drice> I thought a more general solution would be be appreciated, rather than one-off'ing nsISocketTransport. A general solution could be used throughout netwerk where PRNetAddrs are used.
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# [22:07] <biesi> drice, yes. that's why I said "ah nice". :)
# [22:08] <drice> Renaming the existing one makes me go "ugh" because then I have to tiptoe around trying to find existing references. I guess it's the Right Thing, though.
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# [22:08] <biesi> drice, it shouldn't be too hard - if you miss one you get a compile error, and I don't expect that to be used much anyway\
# [22:09] <drice> So should I just forge ahead with some suggested patches, or what? I guess the recommended path is to get a sponsor/mentor for the bug. I'm pretty sure I can make my own way, but I might miss some best-practices and conventions that are well known here.
# [22:09] <biesi> drice, I also just commented briefly in the bug
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# [22:09] <biesi> drice, I'm happy to help with any questions you may have
# [22:09] <biesi> and to review the result
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# [22:10] <biesi> though my time is somewhat limited by my job :/
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# [22:10] <drice> biesi: thanks. I'll start off with a proposed IDL. Yeah, so is mine. I'm doing this mostly off the clock.
# [22:10] <drice> Except it's to their benefit, so I'm borrowing some time, too :)
# [22:11] <beltzner> zpao: [killthem]
# [22:11] <biesi> drice, :)
# [22:11] <zpao> beltzner++
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# [22:13] <drice> biesi: UTF8 String or C String? Those 2 examples differ.
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# [22:13] <biesi> drice, make it UTF-8, though that doesn't really make a difference here
# [22:13] <drice> Okay
# [22:13] <Mook_as> do you need separate strings for the ipv4/ipv6/unix socket cases?
# [22:14] <biesi> v4 and v6 should use the same, IMO
# [22:14] <drice> Mook_as: Not if they're going to be strings. I'll combine them into "address".
# [22:14] <biesi> undecided about unix sockets
# [22:15] <drice> would just need family, address, port, and may-or-may-not even make the v6 stuff accessible. (I don't even know what it means.. so I have to figure that out first)
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# [22:24] <jlebar> bhearsum|buildduty, try should be back up?
# [22:24] <bhearsum|buildduty> yup
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# [22:24] <jlebar> \o/
# [22:24] <jlebar> bhearsum|buildduty++
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# [22:25] <bhearsum|buildduty> cshields++ actually
# [22:25] <bhearsum|buildduty> but thanks =)
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# [22:52] <NeilAway> eww, reviews coloured by bug severity :s
# [22:52] <NeilAway> hmm, nearing attachment #600000
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# [22:53] <WG9s> NeilAway: Do we have a contest for milstone attachment numbers?
# [22:53] <NeilAway> WG9s: not as far as I know
# [22:53] <WG9s> OR was that some kind of "Big Attachments" joke?
# [22:54] <Mossop> NeilAway: Oh that's what that is, I was wondering
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# [23:09] <jaws> is there a way to check the validity of a public suffix in a *fast* way? this would need to be run before a context menu is shown.
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# [23:10] <Mossop> Unlikely
# [23:10] <jaws> k
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# [23:11] <gavin> jaws: nsIEffectiveTLDService isn't fast enough?
# [23:12] <jaws> i've tried using nsIEffectiveTLDService but that just seems to give me back the suffix, but not validate it
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# [23:12] <gavin> oh
# [23:12] <Mossop> Yeah there isn't any validation there
# [23:12] <jaws> var uri = Services.io.newURI("http://www.msu.co.jaredwein.ulk", null, null); returns "ulk"
# [23:12] <Mossop> You could ship a fixed lookup table, but that can change a lot these days I guess
# [23:12] <jaws> yeah...
# [23:12] <gavin> why do you need to validate it?
# [23:12] <jaws> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690827
# [23:13] <jaws> selecting foo.bar and right clicking on it shouldn't say "open in new tab"
# [23:13] <gavin> meh
# [23:13] <Mossop> Huh, I didn't know we had that feature
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# [23:14] <biesi> you could always extend nsIEffectiveTLDService to support that
# [23:14] <zwol> what if "foo.bar" would complete to "foo.bar.company.com" via DNS search paths? ;-)
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# [23:14] <jaws> yeah, i was gonna give some tips to a new contributor. it seems that this won't be a [good first bug] then
# [23:15] <Mossop> biesi: But then we'd need to keep the service up to date everytime someone buys a new TLD
# [23:15] <nemo> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2638643&cid=38821377
# [23:15] <nemo> huh. I thought that was fixed
# [23:15] <jaws> zwol: i would be happy to not support that case
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# [23:17] <biesi> Mossop, don't we do that anyway?
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# [23:17] <Mossop> biesi: We attempt to, but not every domain is included
# [23:17] <jaws> Mossop: i believe we get updates from publicsuffix.org when possible
# [23:17] <biesi> ah ok
# [23:18] <jaws> it'd be nice if we could keep that list in memory and just ping it for this
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# [23:18] <jaws> this is a scenario where a false negative isn't terrible
# [23:18] <Mossop> jaws: The question is which would you prefer, the context menu showing for non-real urls, or it sometimes not showing for real urls?
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# [23:19] <jaws> i would prefer us leaning towards more false negatives than false positives
# [23:19] <Mossop> I think false positives are better here myself. False negative loses the feature for some users
# [23:20] <jaws> often i might use my mouse to select some text, such as object.method, then right click on it to copy the text. it's awkward that show "open in new tab" in that context menu
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# [23:20] <zwol> why?
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# [23:20] <zwol> it actually seems to me that we should *not* try to be clever here
# [23:20] <Mossop> But to be honest I think we've spent more developer time talking about it in this channel than it would be worth spending to fix the problem
# [23:20] <jaws> haha, probably so...
# [23:20] <zwol> this seems like a situation where the user may very well know better than we do
# [23:21] * jaws carries on...
# [23:21] <Mossop> I'd just wontfix it and move on
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# [23:23] <WeirdAl> :'( I'm crashing running mochitest, when it tries to launch xpcshell with httpd.js
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# [23:24] <WeirdAl> debug build's fine, opt is not so happy
# [23:25] <WG9s> WeirdAl: does the borwser run outside of tests? and is this windows? are you just seeing bug 718541?
# [23:26] <WeirdAl> it is Windows 7, yes
# [23:26] <WG9s> so msvc9 and 10 both fail on opt builds
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# [23:27] <WG9s> workaround in that bug
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# [23:27] <Shadowized> yeah the workaround fixes it for me
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# [23:28] <WeirdAl> yeah, that looks a lot like what I hit
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# [23:32] <drice> biesi: At what point should I be adding things as patches for comments rather than via pastebin/IRC? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1461920
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# [23:32] <biesi> drice, if it's 16 bits unsigned, should probably be an unsigned short
# [23:32] <biesi> (or PRUint16)
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# [23:33] <drice> biesi: is there a reference doc for IDL types? I'm just stealing terms from existing idls.
# [23:33] <biesi> drice, I'd throw an exception for the wrong type
# [23:33] <biesi> hmm there probably is
# [23:34] <biesi> drice, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPIDL#Types
# [23:34] <drice> and it sounds like you are suggesting keeping as close to PRNetAddr as possible. If it's using uint16, use an unsigned short, regardless of what the contents may be. Yes?
# [23:34] <biesi> correct
# [23:34] <drice> Awesome.
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# [23:35] <biesi> * XXX: Does adding this noscript function to the interface make it
# [23:35] <biesi> * impossible to instantiate an instance of this interfacein script
# [23:35] <biesi> * languages?
# [23:35] <biesi> no, that will still work
# [23:35] <biesi> it will only make it impossible to implement the interface in JS (afaik), which you don't care about anyway
# [23:35] <biesi> /* XXX: I'm assuming there's no good way to tie these constants to the
# [23:35] <biesi> * native constants
# [23:35] <biesi> correct
# [23:35] <drice> hmm. Why is JS special?
# [23:35] <biesi> oh, it's the only script language we support :)
# [23:35] <drice> Python?
# [23:36] <biesi> we don't really support that
# [23:36] <Waldo> historically yes, but the support is kind of rusty
# [23:36] <Waldo> and will likely be removed at some point
# [23:36] <biesi> but sure, it would have the same problem
# [23:36] <biesi> hmm I'm undecided on AF_LOCAL vs AF_UNIX
# [23:36] <drice> biesi: okay. Well maybe I'll leave out the noscript function. I don't want to fix the scriptable situation just to create a type which cannot be created by scripting langauges (i.e. JS).
# [23:37] <Waldo> drice: note that #include "mozilla/StdInt.h" has uint16_t and all the <stdint.h> types, if your use isn't in XPCOM-ish code and all
# [23:37] <biesi> drice, you can certainly access it form scripting languages
# [23:37] <biesi> Waldo, this is very xpcom-ish :)
# [23:37] <Waldo> boo-urns
# [23:37] <drice> biesie: access it, yes. But sounds like it cannot be created. In the future it may be useful to be able to create these as arguments to some networky stuff.
# [23:38] <drice> Though with stuff in string-only form, that future sounds doubtful. *shrug* I'll sit on it.
# [23:38] <biesi> yeah, eh. I don't really care either way
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# [23:49] <WeirdAl> WG9s: yeah, that fixed me
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# [23:50] <drice> pyxpidl dropped annotations. I take it to mean that @returns/@throws, etc are moot in idl files at this point?
# [23:50] <WG9s> I find it odd that when i first ran into this i could find no one else seeing the issue. now it seems like everyone is running into it.
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# [23:50] <drice> I was noticing that sometimes its @return, sometimes its @returns... same with throw/throws. Does this matter?
# [23:51] <Mook_as> drice: it's mostly meant to be read, not used by the xpidl compiler-thinger, I think
# [23:52] <drice> Mook_as: good enough for me. Thanks.
# [23:52] <WG9s> But I guess that is becuase besides the builds i do for development, I also create and post automated daily builds including patches that are built optimized. And one day they stopped working.
# [23:52] <marco> what happened to tbpl?
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# [23:52] <WG9s> I presume most other people doing their own builds working on bugs start with debug builds first.
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# [23:55] <biesi> drice, doxygen can create nice html files from it
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# [23:55] <biesi> accepts both return and returns, iirc
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# [23:56] <Mossop> I think @return is technically correct for javadocs
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