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# [00:03] <Standard8> does the plugin-container process know when it isn't actively being used?
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# [00:07] <edmorley> catlee: the counter might cause issues on merge of two clobbers perhaps?
# [00:08] <catlee> yeah, could cause a conflict
# [00:08] <catlee> meh
# [00:08] <catlee> pick the higher one
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# [00:11] <joe> NeilAway: you busted m-c
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# [00:14] <stefanh> akeybl: considering the patch in bug 713446 isn't in m-c yet, I assume it's no point asking for approval m-aurora?
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# [00:16] <Callek> stefanh: I always request when it lands in inbound
# [00:16] <Callek> ;-)
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# [00:17] <stefanh> Callek: heh, ok - I'll go for that then ;-)
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# [00:18] <akeybl> stefanh: if you're looking to land for 11, it needs to be a beta approval
# [00:18] * karl wonders why bugzilla is (badly) wrapping quoted comments now
# [00:18] <akeybl> needs to land first on m-c, have at least a day of bake time, then get uplifted
# [00:18] <Callek> NeilAway, joe: Want me to patch/push the fix or are one of you two on it (or the backout)
# [00:18] <akeybl> so you'd be looking at beta for 11
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# [00:19] <joe> i'm not
# [00:19] <joe> Callek: ^
# [00:19] <stefanh> akeybl: ah, ok. Thanks
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# [00:19] <Callek> akeybl: does it need bake time since tabs-on-bottom is basically not the default design for mac (but is default on SeaMonkey)?
# [00:20] <Callek> akeybl: if your answer is still yes, I understadn just curious ;-)
# [00:20] <stefanh> (and chatzilla)
# [00:20] <stefanh> Callek: gotta run, it's bedtime here
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# [00:21] <Callek> joe, NeilAway, *sheriff, philor, I'm patching/landing a fix for NeilAway's bustage (no idea why neilaway is actually *away* for once when he lands on m-c, but I'll argue that point another day)
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# [00:21] <edmorley> Callek: thanks, was about to backout otherwise :-)
# [00:22] <akeybl> Callek: we never fully know the repercussions, this aurora build will be the equivalent of our first beta so I want to exercise caution
# [00:22] <Callek> akeybl: fair :-)
# [00:23] <mbrubeck> Oh oh, now snorp has Android tests crashing at startup, and on a clobber build...
# [00:23] <jlebar> froydnj, ping?
# [00:23] <snorp> WHAT
# [00:23] <snorp> mbrubeck: WHAT
# [00:23] <snorp> do not believe the lies
# [00:23] <mbrubeck> snorp: I'm going to try rebuilding this, I think it might not be clobbery enough.
# [00:23] <mbrubeck> or something?
# [00:24] <snorp> mbrubeck: perhaps
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# [00:24] <snorp> mbrubeck: did Try crash?
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# [00:24] <philor> maybe we could just trigger 20 Android builds per push?
# [00:24] <Callek> edmorley: *actually* backout, looks like the removal of that .xul test was not even reviewed
# [00:24] <Callek> at least based on what I'm seeing
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# [00:25] <cpeterson> mbrubeck, snorp, maybe we should just backout (or disable) proguard, at this point.
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# [00:25] <snorp> cpeterson: my build here worked
# [00:25] <snorp> from inbound
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# [00:25] <edmorley> Callek: ok :-)
# [00:25] <Callek> edmorley: err if you're not backing out I'm going to read last few comments on bug, to be sure I know what the hell this was supposed to be
# [00:26] <Callek> otherwise I can backup,
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# [00:26] <mwu> wow, I keep basing my try pushes on broken m-c changesets
# [00:26] <mwu> not feelin' lucky today.
# [00:26] <mbrubeck> These are still pushes from before the clobber... this build says it's a forced clobber, but it started building *right* at the time that I clobbered... not sure if that's significant.
# [00:26] * Callek hates to see red, but I'd hate to remove it from the Makefile if it was supposed to be still in
# [00:26] <edmorley> Callek: yeah my thoughts
# [00:27] <edmorley> too
# [00:27] <mbrubeck> mwu: I try to always choose a known-green changeset to push on top of...
# [00:27] <Callek> edmorley: oooook, re-reading yea, it looks like Neil's intent was to remove the test, but I don't believe it was clear/reviewed, so backout in my mind is best
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# [00:27] <mwu> mbrubeck: I just figured people would burn m-i, not m-c
# [00:27] <Callek> edmorley: tell me explicitly if I'm backing out (I don't mind being on the hook), otherwise I'll consider it handled
# [00:27] <mwu> my optimism was misplaced.
# [00:28] <edmorley> Callek: handled :-)
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# [00:28] <mbrubeck> mwu: It's the day before an Aurora merge, so, yeah. :)
# [00:28] <mwu> oh I see.
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# [00:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2bdf77e42239 - Ed Morley - Backout 8705f07a49ec (bug 649840) for bustage
# [00:29] <philor> mbrubeck: how about that next set of total failure on a clobber?
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# [00:30] <dholbert> edmorley, (are you noting the backout on its bug, too?)
# [00:30] <edmorley> dholbert: yup
# [00:30] <dholbert> edmorley, good man
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# [00:32] <mbrubeck> Hmm, yet another crashy Android clobber build.
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# [00:33] <edmorley> dholbert: :-)
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# [00:34] <philor> fortunately, we're only up to four totally untested mobile-specific patches
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# [00:36] <mbrubeck> Self-serve shows a bit of native Android green on njn's push, so it's still not perma-crashy...
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# [00:38] <gcp> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/10.0/releasenotes/ <- shouldn't this mention that addons are compatible by default?
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# [00:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8b6e498d5933 - Neil Rashbrook - Better test for bug 649840. r=ehsan. + bustage-fix by sgautherie.
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# [00:40] <@roc> who at Mozilla knows more about the latest C++ spec than anyone else?
# [00:40] <snorp> mbrubeck: wtf is up on inbound
# [00:40] * dholbert suspects luke
# [00:41] <snorp> mbrubeck: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8950235&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1
# [00:41] <snorp> what is all this GeckoLinker nonsense
# [00:41] <cjones> roc, it's available online
# [00:41] <dholbert> (luke @ roc's question, I mean) (or maybe cjones)
# [00:41] <mwu> snorp: sounds like our dynamic linker
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# [00:41] <mbrubeck> So far, the Android opt builds with green tests are ones that are *not* clobber builds... :/
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# [00:42] <gcp> snorp: mhommey's patches
# [00:42] <blizzard> hsivonen: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719285
# [00:42] <mwu> wow uh, that tegra looks broken
# [00:42] <blizzard> hsivonen: that had a dep closed on it, but it still fails
# [00:42] <snorp> yeah something is turbo hosed
# [00:42] <blizzard> hsivonen: I assume that it's more work to fix the symptom?
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# [00:44] <heycam> oh our release notes pages look pretty these days!
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# [00:49] <snorp> mbrubeck: these GeckoLinker messages seem important
# [00:49] <mbrubeck> Yeah, they don't appear in the green test runs.
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# [00:49] <snorp> ok I was just looking to see if that was the case
# [00:49] <mbrubeck> And when I downloaded the tinderbox build and ran it locally, they were the last thing I saw in the log before the crash.
# [00:50] <snorp> so it's probably not my skia stuff
# [00:50] <mbrubeck> snorp: No, these crashes first appeared well before your patches landed
# [00:50] <snorp> yay
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# [00:50] <mbrubeck> on this push: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=ea33b9fb8a71
# [00:51] <mbrubeck> We blamed progaurd, but I'm not really sure.
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# [00:51] <snorp> mbrubeck: ah, and it has the linker messages even
# [00:53] <mbrubeck> glandium: Any idea what might cause these crashes and GeckoLinker messages?
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# [00:59] <dholbert> mbrubeck / snorp: technically, they happened after snorp's first skia push (which was a DONTBUILD backout)
# [01:00] <blizzard> jorendorff: are we keeping Map and Set turned on after nightly goes to Aurora?
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# [01:01] <jorendorff> blizzard: the bug kind of went right into the weeds
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# [01:03] <jorendorff> blizzard: I will post a patch in bug 721916 to turn them off. I'll have to ask for approval-aurora, since presumably we will be branching before it gets review and lands.
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# [01:03] <blizzard> jorendorff: ok
# [01:04] <mbrubeck> dholbert: No, the ones on ea33b9fb8a71 were before that DONTBUILD push.
# [01:04] <blizzard> jorendorff: just wanted to check
# [01:04] <blizzard> jorendorff: we will not promote it then
# [01:04] <blizzard> jorendorff: do you want to wait until beta?
# [01:04] <jorendorff> blizzard: Well see
# [01:04] <blizzard> jorendorff: to turn it off?
# [01:04] <blizzard> jorendorff: so people can play with it?
# [01:04] <dholbert> mbrubeck, oh, righto, sorry
# [01:04] <jorendorff> blizzard: Everyone in that bug has a different opinion, the only opinion that I think matters is yours or other product folks, and you guys aren't speaking up!
# [01:05] <jorendorff> blizzard: all those ideas are things that we can technically accomplish
# [01:05] <jorendorff> blizzard: we have the tools — we have the talent
# [01:05] <blizzard> jorendorff: I don't read bug mail very often because of bandwidth issues
# [01:05] <jorendorff> blizzard: gotcha
# [01:05] <blizzard> jorendorff: I would love to be able to talk about it a little bit in aurora, can you just wait until beta?
# [01:05] <jorendorff> blizzard: yeah, absolutely. we can disable it whenever
# [01:05] <blizzard> jorendorff: ok
# [01:05] <jorendorff> we've got time
# [01:05] <blizzard> jorendorff: the important question is, is it safe to disable?
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# [01:05] <blizzard> jorendorff: like what's the risk of waiting until beta to disable?
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# [01:06] <blizzard> jorendorff: that's the question that I'll be asked (so I'm asking)
# [01:07] <jorendorff> blizzard: i think the patch is like "comment out 4 lines" plus "delete a bunch of Map and Set unit tests"
# [01:07] <jorendorff> I'll confirm that that's the case
# [01:07] <jorendorff> if so, it's very low risk
# [01:07] <jorendorff> I also checked to make absolutely sure we didn't have anybody check in any chrome code using them ;-)
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# [01:07] <jorendorff> during the like 10 days they were available
# [01:08] <snorp> http://www.mymms.com/Utility.aspx
# [01:08] <blizzard> jorendorff: ok
# [01:08] <snorp> does that work for anyone?
# [01:08] <blizzard> jorendorff: I'll leave it up to you to figure that out, then
# [01:08] <snorp> (it should show a big-ass flash applet)
# [01:09] <mbrubeck> snorp: There's a flash object running in the middle (I can right-click and get the Flash context menu), but it's just blank and white.
# [01:09] <snorp> alright, same here
# [01:10] <snorp> (mac, UX nightly)
# [01:10] <snorp> I get the same behavior on fennec, pretty wtf
# [01:10] <WG9s> jorendorff: does it make more sense to NOT disable the tests but instead flip the pref when we run the tests?
# [01:10] <BenB> hey blizzard! :)
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# [01:10] <jorendorff> blizzard: so wait, you're going to be talking about Map and Set, but then we're going to take them out during beta?
# [01:10] <Kwan> heya, anyone willing to do a try run for me please?
# [01:10] <BenB> blizzard: (nice to see you, just saying hello)
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# [01:11] <mbrubeck> snorp: Broken in Chromium, too.
# [01:11] <snorp> mbrubeck: awesome
# [01:11] <snorp> well I guess I won't worry about it :)
# [01:11] <jorendorff> blizzard: i mean … we can do that? :)
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# [01:11] <snorp> but dammit I wanted to order some m&ms
# [01:11] <snorp> am I srsly going to have to use safari
# [01:11] <blizzard> jorendorff: yes
# [01:11] <philor> Kwan: sure, where's the patch?
# [01:11] <blizzard> jorendorff: if we don't want to ship it by accident
# [01:12] <blizzard> jorendorff: we're going to do that in 14
# [01:12] <blizzard> err
# [01:12] <blizzard> 13
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# [01:12] <blizzard> jorendorff: with spdy, for example
# [01:12] <blizzard> jorendorff: to see how well it works
# [01:12] <jorendorff> ok. cool!
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# [01:13] <dholbert> snorp/mbrubeck: (should we be holding off on pushing to m-i? I'm assuming yes, but let me know if otherwise)
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# [01:13] <snorp> dholbert: I don't know
# [01:13] <Kwan> philor: thanks, it's at https://bug662324.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=592905 Sorry for the failure on inbound yesterday
# [01:13] <snorp> probably
# [01:13] <mbrubeck> I don't know either... I mean, it's not getting any *more* screwed...
# [01:13] <snorp> dholbert: njn's android runs are all green
# [01:13] <blizzard> jorendorff: noting that we have ArrayBuffer.slice too
# [01:13] <mbrubeck> njn got in before the clobber
# [01:13] <snorp> ah
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# [01:14] <mbrubeck> What worries me is that we haven't seen any green runs after clobbering
# [01:14] <blizzard> BenB: hi
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# [01:14] <snorp> I'll clobber locally
# [01:14] <philor> Kwan: no worries, lots of people other than you should have realized you couldn't test it everywhere, me included
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# [01:16] <Kwan> philor: At least this way it's a learning experience, and I hopefully won't make the same mistake again :)
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# [01:20] <philor> Kwan: heh, gavin's faster than me, so now you'll get double try coverage, but only mine is going to comment in the bug :)
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# [01:21] <mbrubeck> actually.... weird. njn's Android build *was* after the clobber, but it got the same slave as jrmuizel's build...
# [01:21] <edmorley> Callek: oh well, we tried I guess :-)
# [01:22] <Kwan> philor: haha, cool, thanks again :)
# [01:22] <philor> mbrubeck: yeah, I thought that was what you were saying earlier, a clobber is busted, but a depend on top of that clobber is okay, so you can never clobber Android again
# [01:23] <Callek> edmorley: I sure sighed when I saw serge push that right after you backed it out
# [01:23] <tbsaunde> I'll say one the we find creative ways to have bustage
# [01:23] <Callek> edmorley: of course, we're all none-too-shocked at serge annoying us, are we?
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# [01:25] <aja> quick, someone land a huge c++ patch
# [01:25] <philor> mbrubeck: it's also holding everything pushed after it hostage on the day before a merge, so if we're not backing it out, we should close inbound
# [01:25] <gavin> Kwan, philor: oops!
# [01:26] <philor> gavin: we meant to do that, we're triangulating since I pushed off m-c
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# [01:26] <mbrubeck> Yeah, let's back out the progaurd stuff for now, assuming that's the culprit.
# [01:26] <philor> huh, and since I already blew up on win32
# [01:27] <philor> I swear I updated past the bustage
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# [01:27] <NeilAway> Mook_as: nsITreeSelection automatically tells the tree box object about it (enough so as to repaint correctly), and even dispatches an event for script to listen to as well
# [01:28] <philor> "ImportError: No module named simplejson"
# [01:28] <catlee-away> the gift that keeps giving
# [01:28] <jhammel> philor: ?
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# [01:28] <Mook_as> NeilAway: ooh! I'm not used to anything related to trees doing the right thing, I guess :p
# [01:28] <Mook_as> (it's not its fault, though; trees are hard.)
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# [01:29] <philor> jhammel: bustedslave
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# [01:41] <philor> and apparently triangulation will be useful, since three down from tip of inbound is busted on Windows, jwir3
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# [01:43] <gcp> does it make sense to push to try right now?
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# [01:43] <snorp> gcp: eh, inbound is wonky stil
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# [01:44] <jwir3> philor: I didn't understand what you just said, sorry. Should I back out the push I made?
# [01:45] <philor> jwir3: you can, or I will, it's not actually yours, it's bug 709585, isn't it?
# [01:45] <jwir3> philor: yeah, it appears that way
# [01:45] <jwir3> the last one is mine
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# [01:47] <philor> I really wish "remote changed dom/power/PowerManagerService.cpp which local deleted" was asked in a more comprehensible way
# [01:48] <jwir3> philor: Ok it should be backed out I think
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# [01:49] <philor> sweet, thanks!
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# [01:49] <jwir3> np. I did leave in the last one, https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6d180635060d
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# [01:49] <jwir3> because that was pushed to try before I pushed it to inbound
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# [01:50] <jwir3> (with no errors), so I think the errors were caused by the checkin-needed I pushed as well
# [01:50] <jwir3> but we'll see
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# [01:51] <jwir3> wait a second. I think I did it incorrectly.
# [01:51] <jwir3> :|
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# [01:58] <jwir3> ok, I think I got it this time. :)
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# [02:00] <philor> I'm sure great huge wads of non-qfolded csets which diddle with a file, diddle with it some more, then remove it, are just the bee's knees to write and review, but boy having just one would make backouts less annoying
# [02:01] <jwir3> yeah, agreed. :|
# [02:01] <mbrubeck> I still go with the "hg diff -r<changeset> -r<ancestor> | hg qimport - -n backout" method.
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# [02:02] <philor> I go with the "look expectantly at someone else" method, mostly
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# [02:03] <philor> oh, which one of us is backing out proguard?
# [02:03] <jwir3> mbrubeck: that will create another patch, though, which then needs to be qfin'ed, right?
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# [02:04] <mbrubeck> jwir3: Right.
# [02:05] <mbrubeck> philor: backed out
# [02:05] <philor> thx :)
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# [02:11] <cpeterson> mbrubeck, thanks for the backing out the proguard changeset. I will investigate the problem offline.
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# [02:13] <mounir> njn: fwiw, dbaron is currently on vacation
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# [02:13] <mounir> karl: ping
# [02:13] <njn> mounir: ah, any idea when he's back?
# [02:13] <mounir> njn: I think he is on vacation until FOSDEM
# [02:13] <billm> sicking: ping
# [02:13] <mounir> he might be back in MV after that
# [02:13] <njn> mounir: ah, bugzilla says Feb 12 :(
# [02:14] <njn> bz: ping
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# [02:15] <sicking> billm: pong
# [02:15] <billm> sicking: do you know anything about the UnmarkGray code?
# [02:15] <sicking> billm: not really
# [02:16] <philor> njn: your inbound push didn't come anywhere near GC, so I shouldn't worry about that GC shutdown crash right above you, right?
# [02:16] <billm> sicking: ok. do you know if bent will be around tomorrow?
# [02:16] <mounir> billm: no
# [02:16] <sicking> billm: you want mccr8, jst or smaug
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# [02:17] <karl> mounir: hi
# [02:17] <njn> philor: 3 patches just renamed things, one removed a function, one changes some int64_t types to size_t
# [02:17] <mounir> billm: he will be back the 2nd
# [02:17] <sicking> mounir: what did you guys do to bent?
# [02:17] <billm> mounir: thanks
# [02:17] <mounir> sicking: don't ask
# [02:17] <njn> philor: seems unlikely to have affected GC
# [02:17] <philor> njn: good enough for me!
# [02:17] <billm> sicking: ok, i'll ask them. thanks
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# [02:17] <mounir> karl: i wanted to know if you have an ETA regarding my Network API Linux backend patch
# [02:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/836b5e3bc816 - Brian Birtles - Bug 720103 - Pass timed element not interval to notify new interval callback; r=dholbert
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# [02:19] <karl> mounir: not sure right; still catching up from vacation, but can you explain some things for me, please? are these api's built into the browser, or just b2g builds?
# [02:20] <mounir> karl: it's built into the browser
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# [02:20] <mounir> karl: the idea is to add new APIs to the web platform
# [02:20] <mounir> not only for B2G
# [02:20] <karl> mounir: what does the browser use them for? are they presented to content through js?
# [02:20] <mounir> karl: yes
# [02:20] <karl> ok, i see
# [02:20] <mounir> in navigator.connection for network api
# [02:21] <dholbert> mbrubeck, looks like m-i's mysterious orange android-opt issues are over -- is that right?
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# [02:21] <dholbert> at least, jwir3's push got a green set of android opt tests (and it was a clobber build on that platform)
# [02:21] <dholbert> ( this being https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=10b455909e94 )
# [02:21] <jwir3> heh
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# [02:22] <jwir3> well, yippee! font inflation patch works ;)
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# [02:25] <karl> mounir: when would EnableNetworkNotifications get called in the browser? only when in use in a web api?
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# [02:26] <mounir> karl: when a navigator.connection object is created
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# [02:30] <karl> mounir: thanks, that helps because if it it not likely to get called during use of existing features then i don't need to worry too much about performance of the new feature
# [02:31] <hub> when is mozilla-inbound safe to push to for Mozilla 13?
# [02:31] <jdm> hub: tomorrow
# [02:31] <philor> not now
# [02:32] <hub> 8 PDT?
# [02:32] <jlebar> hub, Sometime around then, ish.
# [02:32] <hub> ok
# [02:32] <hub> good
# [02:32] <philor> there is no exact time, other than "after you see the announcement that the m-c cset to merge has been chosen"
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# [02:33] <hub> the announcement will be sent in dev-planing?
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# [02:33] <philor> wow, you really want every *second* of bake time, don't you? ;)
# [02:33] <jlebar> hub, It'll be sent in irc...
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# [02:47] <dougt> rs: ping?
# [02:47] <rs> dougt: pong
# [02:48] <dougt> hey. do you have anyone to look at some of our wifi scanning code on windows?
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# [02:48] <dougt> i don't have a windows box or env. I could get something set up this week, but if you have someone looking for stuff to do....
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# [02:50] <rs> dougt: no one looking for stuff to do atm. Finishing up a bunch of stuff to get ready for Win8 metro work in the very near future. You could try jimm and less likely bbondy but they are both pretty busy atm.
# [02:50] <mbrubeck> philor, edmorley: I forgot to clobber m-i when I backed out bug 709230. I don't know if a clobber is actually necessary or helpful for the backout, but just in case, I did one just now.
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# [02:51] <philor> I wonder about that, but then a squirrel ran by
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# [02:51] <rs> dougt: bsmith knows Windows well and is part of the networking group
# [02:51] <philor> and stole my "ed" key
# [02:51] <dougt> okay
# [02:51] <dougt> sounds like networking.
# [02:51] <dougt> if I squint.
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# [02:51] <edmorley> philor: heh :-)
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# [02:58] <@roc> anyone know what "template <typename T> using U = V<T>;" means?
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# [03:02] <jdm> :o
# [03:02] <@roc> ah,
# [03:02] <@roc> alias templates
# [03:02] <@roc> C++11
# [03:03] <squib> i really like alias templates. they're a lot easier to read than typedefs, especially for function pointer types
# [03:04] <jwir3> wow, that's pretty slick
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# [03:04] <squib> using T = int (*)(double, double); is a lot nicer than... whatever it is with a typedef
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# [03:05] <@roc> that is incorrect
# [03:05] <@roc> they are both awful
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# [03:05] <jgilbert> heh
# [03:05] <derf> The typedef approach at least has orthgonality going for it.
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# [03:06] <derf> *orthogonality
# [03:07] <jgilbert> I don't see the typedef one as being too awful.
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# [03:07] <jgilbert> not for what it needs to do
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# [03:15] <masayuki> Hi, I want to land a patch for 12. If I land it on inbound now, will it merged to m-c before the uplift?
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# [03:15] <Callek> masayuki: "maybe"
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# [03:16] <Callek> masayuki: tell you what, if your concern is that you can't be on the hook -- I'll take that role for m-c, if you are 99.9% sure _nothing_ will break from your patch
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# [03:18] <masayuki> I'm concerned about the dependency. I landed a patch on inbound yesterday. The new patch depends on the yesterday's patch. So, I cannot land it on m-c directly for now.
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# [03:22] <edmorley> I'll be merging tomorrow (GMT) so before the PST uplift
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# [03:22] <edmorley> (and yeah that doesn't quite make sense, but hopefully you can guess what I meant)
# [03:22] <josh> When exactly does m-c open for FF13 development?
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# [03:23] <edmorley> previous cycles it has been ~9am PST
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# [03:23] <josh> thanks
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# [03:26] <masayuki> edmorley: Are you going to merge at midnight of GMT?
# [03:27] <nthomas> 2hr 2min ago ?
# [03:27] <masayuki> edmorley: oops, morning?
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# [03:28] <edmorley> Sorry, I should have more clearly said: I'll be merging during GMT working hours (in too few hours time, given I'm still awake :-/), so before the ~9am PST uplift
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# [03:29] <edmorley> green-ness permitting
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# [03:30] <philor> I can't _believe_ I thought we weren't going to have a classic freeze night pile-on just because virtually nobody pushed a single thing yesterday
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# [03:31] <edmorley> what, and spoil the fun? :-)
# [03:31] <masayuki> edmorley: thanks.
# [03:32] <philor> where's the green line right now, around 11am?
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# [03:32] <@dolske> philor: maybe we should declare the marge as past whenever jobs start to pile up.
# [03:32] <@dolske> alternatively: it's _great_ that people like to get into FF13 so early!
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# [03:33] <philor> funny you should mention that, http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/4069
# [03:34] <philor> what would that have been, 2.0?
# [03:34] <@dolske> thereabouts
# [03:34] <derf> Someone should do stats on aurora/beta problems with commits that landed in the last week/48/24hours, etc.
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# [03:35] <Unfocused> i'd totally read the tl;dr version of that
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# [03:35] <@dolske> could just close inbound
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# [03:36] <@dolske> or close all the branches but one -- if you want to land, you've got to work for it!
# [03:37] <philor> wups, you missed the blue light special on services-central, start cloning a build-system tree, quick!
# [03:37] <@dolske> "merging from c-c to m-c"
# [03:37] <Callek> dolske: really inbound is less happy to close than m-c, imo
# [03:38] <Callek> dolske: c-c to m-c??????!?!?!? now that would scare me
# [03:38] <masayuki> I need to land a patch for fixing an important regression which has been since Fx7...
# [03:39] <@dolske> if it's been there since FF7 it can wait another release!
# [03:39] <philor> masayuki: one of the things you can do is just reland the thing you pushed to inbound on central, along with the one you want to push now
# [03:39] <philor> as long as the exact same thing is on both trees, it merges just fine
# [03:39] * Unfocused votes to have that one open branch be random
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# [03:40] <Unfocused> (changing every 5 min)
# [03:40] <nthomas> if you can find it you can land
# [03:40] <philor> another thing you can do is trust edmorley, and land on inbound as quickly as you can, because every second you wait increases the risk of not getting merged
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# [03:40] <@dolske> philor-central, open for anyone with a bribe
# [03:40] <philor> a third thing you can do is trust edmorley, and then if you don't get merged in time, request approval-aurora
# [03:40] <masayuki> philor: So, can I land same patch to m-c? And it's not a problem?
# [03:41] <philor> masayuki: that's what smarter people than me tell me
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# [03:41] <philor> personally, I like to only merge on Sunday afternoon or Christmas Eve
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# [03:41] <derf> Don't those pesky NZ people get in the way Sunday afternoon?
# [03:41] <jhammel> what if Christmas comes on monday? double merge?
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# [03:42] <nthomas> derf: and leave you alone all your friday
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# [03:42] <Unfocused> derf: i, for one, try to get in the way every day of the week
# [03:42] <masayuki> Okay, I land the both patches on m-c now.
# [03:42] <edmorley> masayuki: as long as the landing is identical, mercurial copes pretty well
# [03:42] <@dolske> double merge?! what does it mean?!
# [03:42] <derf> nthomas: I don't actually leave them alone on Friday.
# [03:42] <philor> speaking of smarter people than me...
# [03:43] <tan> probably wrong channel, what software does MDN run off of?
# [03:43] <philor> and I only had to name-check you twice at 2:30 am!
# [03:43] <nthomas> uh oh, he's broken out the phlattery
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# [03:44] <philor> yeah, about 2am his time, when he's still "working" on making it possible for people who are getting paid for it to not do it, I start pouring it on :)
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# [03:45] <edmorley> ha
# [03:45] <Unfocused> tan: MindTouch Wiki
# [03:45] <tan> Unfocused, Danke
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# [03:45] <masayuki> philor: done, thanks.
# [03:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/481d57edc9b1 - Masayuki Nakano - Bug 692145 Separate CountNewlinesIn() to CountNewlinesInXPLength() and CountNewlinesInNativeLength() r=ehsan
# [03:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7597b7feee73 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 692145 - Wallpaper text offset out-of-bounds crash. r=masayuki
# [03:46] <philor> masayuki: good, you're welcome
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# [03:46] <philor> oh, that one yesterday
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# [03:49] <philor> mmm, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=a350cc1f8e05 - wouldn't want to be waiting for tests on try to finish before pushing
# [03:51] <edmorley> looks like I missed the backout fun earlier on inbound
# [03:51] <jwir3> oh yes great fun it was
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# [03:52] <philor> yeah, last time jwir3 will ever let me get away with saying "or you could back it out..."
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# [03:53] <edmorley> :-)
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# [03:54] <jwir3> heh
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# [03:59] <edmorley> philor: I'm still catching up from being away, but think it's worth me merging now and not just tomorrow (presuming someone can watch m-c for me once I go to bed), does a308b2b991cb look wise / was my skim read of the later issues correct? (ie last green before the candidate for causing the native startup crashes)
# [04:01] <philor> edmorley: yeah, that's the one I was thinking of, when I realized I don't actually know how to pick something that's not at the tip of m-i, so if you want to merge, I'll watch it
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# [04:05] <njn> if I put some user-controlled string in generated HTML, I have to escape chars like '<'. But when setting things like |title| via JS, it seems I don't have to do that? Is that right?
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# [04:06] <Unfocused> njn: correct
# [04:07] <njn> Unfocused: cool, thanks
# [04:07] <Unfocused> (thus you should always do the later)
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# [04:07] <njn> Unfocused: I'm converting about:memory from the former style to the latter -- in order to reduce the amount of memory it uses -- and found this was a nice side-effect
# [04:08] <@dolske> \o/
# [04:08] <Unfocused> ah. win :)
# [04:10] <njn> Unfocused: indeed. When I inherited about:memory it used the former and I didn't know any better because I was a webdev noob
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# [04:10] <njn> but now I'm a seasoned veteran
# [04:10] * njn coughs
# [04:10] <philor> which seasoning?
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# [04:10] <Unfocused> hehe...
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# [04:12] <njn> philor: MSG, 100%
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# [04:12] <njn> it's good stuff
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# [04:13] <Unfocused> srsly.
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# [04:18] <mbrubeck> edmorley: You sleep now; I will mark bugs.
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# [04:51] <philor> RyanVM: which push? or all of them?
# [04:52] * philor hopes not the latter
# [04:52] <RyanVM> mostly https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=5204e965ce03
# [04:52] <philor> huh? I see some green, one C1 timeout like always, and a couple of autoretries
# [04:53] <philor> oh, is "unknown problem" the stupid thing the emails say for autoretry?
# [04:57] <philor> wonder whether I've already filed "don't email on retry" to see how it flies
# [04:57] <RyanVM> must be
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# [07:47] <@dolske> is there any way for chrome code to list all the event listeners attached to an element?
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# [07:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3f26b7bee352 - Jeff Muizelaar - Bug 720482. Make CG snapshots work more like the other backends. r=joe,mattwoodrow,bas
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# [08:07] <MarcoZ> Hi everyone! Will there be another inbound merge before the Aurora uplift?
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# [08:08] * darktrojan guesses probably
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# [08:09] <darktrojan> someone usually does one, but whether it goes green in time or not is debatable
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# [08:13] <derf> I mean, there already was one about 4 hours ago.
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# [08:27] <jdm> http://www.kwchamberorchestra.ca/
# [08:27] <jdm> does anybody else see bizarroness on this site?
# [08:28] <jdm> for example, try scrolling
# [08:28] <qDot> Fine in nightly?
# [08:28] <jdm> does the scrolling text just get painted in its new position without clearing the old position?
# [08:28] <jdm> hmm, not in my nightly on osx
# [08:28] <qDot> Ah, this is linux.
# [08:29] <qDot> Jan 29th ubuntu 64-bit packaged nightly off launchpad.
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# [08:30] <darktrojan> wfm, although it did tell me it needs a plugin I don't have
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# [08:30] <darktrojan> and my nightly is getting a bit dated
# [08:31] <jdm> woah
# [08:31] <glazou> bonjour
# [08:31] <jdm> now I see bits of other pages showing up inside of it
# [08:31] <jdm> freaky
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# [08:34] <glob|away> jdm, bug 722167
# [08:34] <jdm> glob|away: that doesn't make sense, since the cause was backed out in time for today's nightly
# [08:36] <glob|away> jdm, could be something else i supposed -- however it sounds exactly like what you're describing and the latest nightly fixed the problem for me
# [08:36] <jdm> glob|away: I know, I was seeing that bug yesterday
# [08:36] <jdm> I haven't seen it at all today until this page
# [08:40] <Jonathan_> which page?
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# [08:41] <jdm> Jonathan_: http://www.kwchamberorchestra.ca/
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# [08:43] <Jonathan_> jdm, I have not seen any graphic corruption.
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# [08:43] <jdm> weird
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# [10:11] <espindola> where do we get hg for the bots?
# [10:11] <espindola> do we have the rpm somewhere?
# [10:12] <glob> espindola, which bots?
# [10:12] <espindola> build bots
# [10:12] <glob> espindola, try #build :)
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# [10:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/832987101d50 - Paul Rouget - Bug 720468 - Add an "*" at the beginning of a file name if the file needs to be saved. r=dao
# [10:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3a02c994022d - Paul Rouget - Bug 712223 - [highlighter] Breadcrumbs bar doesn't always have the same size on Windows and Linux. r=dao r=jwalker
# [10:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d42fcb70cb22 - Cedric Vivier - Bug 720291 - Intermittent browser_styleeditor_new.js | content's background color has been updated to red - Got rgb(255, 5, 5) (or 6, 6), expected rgb(255, 0, 0). r=dcamp
# [10:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/39afbd62c96e - Victor Porof - Bug 719039 - After the Highlighter was refactored, ESCAPE key closes Inspector when Tilt is open. r=rcampbell
# [10:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/de1de9a14af6 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [10:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fc8563c31bec - Tim Taubert - Bug 721087 - [New Tab Page] Cells should have an outline to indicate their positions; ui-r=limi r=dao
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# [10:39] <hsivonen> blizzard: Re: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719285 DOMContentLoaded now fires, but the scope clearing issue prevents the event handler JS from running
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# [10:52] <edmorley> Ms2ger: good morning :-)
# [10:53] <Ms2ger> Morning edmorley
# [10:53] <edmorley> (presuming my international man of mystery timezone adjustments are correct)
# [10:54] <Ms2ger> 'tis always morning somewhere
# [10:54] <Ms2ger> (... in the British empire? Not anymore, I'm afraid)
# [10:54] <glob> Ms2ger++ (to "always morning somewhere")
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# [10:55] <Unfocused> well that's a depressing thought
# [10:55] <Ms2ger> Unfocused, otoh, it's always 2AM somewhere as well :)
# [10:55] <Unfocused> better :)
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# [10:58] <edmorley> Unfocused: late person as well I take it? :-)
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# [10:59] <Unfocused> edmorley: i'm not late, everyone else is just too early
# [10:59] <edmorley> :-)
# [11:00] <Ms2ger> edmorley, I guess you're pretty late for a non-Mozilla employee ;)
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# [11:02] <dietrich> ted: do you have an eta for reviewing https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683953
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# [11:03] <edmorley> Ms2ger: the problem is that for me, number of hours I feel pretty awake + number of hours sleep normally exceeds 24, which is somewhat unhelpful
# [11:04] <edmorley> Ms2ger: perhaps I would have been better suited on a planet with a slower rotation :-)
# [11:04] <darktrojan> you could try xkcd's 28 hour day
# [11:04] <Ms2ger> http://xkcd.com/320/?
# [11:04] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, boo
# [11:04] <darktrojan> that's it
# [11:05] <Ms2ger> <philor> hahaha, "error message"
# [11:05] <Ms2ger> Sounds like he had a good day too
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# [11:07] <edmorley> Ms2ger: ha hadn't seen that one (shame on me and all that)
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# [11:10] <darktrojan> has the press jumped the gun again, or is 10 actually released?
# [11:11] * darktrojan knows which he'd bet on
# [11:11] <AutomatedTester> darktrojan: its released today but dunno if has been released
# [11:11] <AutomatedTester> dunno if its later today
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# [11:13] <AutomatedTester> i love that xkcd
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# [11:14] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, presumably is was "leaked"
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# [11:14] <darktrojan> njn should fix that
# [11:15] <darktrojan> :)
# [11:15] <AutomatedTester> darktrojan: where was it "leaked"?
# [11:15] <darktrojan> gizmodo
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# [11:16] <darktrojan> mind you on the same page they've posted xkcd's password comic, so who knows
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# [11:16] <darktrojan> are they from the future, or the past?
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# [11:18] <Ms2ger> edmorley, are you getting another merge in this morning?
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# [11:18] <edmorley> Ms2ger: yup, once tbpl cooperates and loads the logs to star
# [11:18] <Ms2ger> Hah, next decade?
# [11:19] <no_gravity> Hello! Lately I have the problem that thunderbird hangs on "connected to imap..." and then does not ask me for my password and just does nothing. not even an error message. any ideas?
# [11:19] <glazou> brb
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# [11:20] <darktrojan> oh man
# [11:20] <darktrojan> pass the facthammer
# [11:20] * Ms2ger wonders if glazou noticed that Hixie added more CSS stuff to HTML
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# [11:24] <@smaug> hmm, what is DOMRequest
# [11:24] <Ms2ger> Some b2g proprietary thing, I guess
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# [11:26] <darktrojan> I think we'd need to pay someone to facthammer 24/7 to correct all the crap that's out there
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# [11:28] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, Asa? :)
# [11:28] <darktrojan> no I said facts
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# [11:29] <@smaug> Ms2ger: HTML spec slowly merging all of CSS to itself?
# [11:29] <darktrojan> Ms2ger, do you want the hammer back for that?
# [11:29] <Ms2ger> smaug, too few dedicated CSS editors
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# [11:31] <@smaug> having too few spec editors in general is a problem
# [11:32] * Ms2ger hears a volunteer
# [11:32] <@smaug> no no, I must learn how to say no
# [11:32] <Ms2ger> I guess
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# [11:33] <Ms2ger> Get MoCo to hire people, then :)
# [11:33] <@smaug> Ms2ger: would you like to join MoCo ;)
# [11:34] <AutomatedTester> spec editors job isnt always to write, its to find people to write the spec
# [11:34] <Ms2ger> smaug--
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# [11:34] <Ms2ger> smaug, I'll put you on my list of people trying to hire me ;)
# [11:34] <Ms2ger> <gavin> clearly we need to find another product to run on the tinderbox
# [11:34] <Ms2ger> <gavin> I hear Opera is more stable
# [11:36] <Ms2ger> edmorley, you're clobbering the win64?
# [11:36] <edmorley> reporting to #build
# [11:37] <Ms2ger> ecma_5/JSON/parse-mega-huge-array.js
# [11:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/63757aa2e629 - Marco Bonardo - Bug 720792 (part 1.5) - Disable inline autocomplete till part 2 lands.
# [11:37] <Ms2ger> What's next, calling tests writer-starvation?
# [11:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0b19bd7d123b - Marco Bonardo - Bug 720792 (part 1) - Backout autocomplete delay changes, for compatibility problems.
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# [11:38] <Ms2ger> edmorley, I'm giving up on starring, you're too fast :)
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# [11:39] <edmorley> sorry :-)
# [11:40] <@smaug> Ms2ger: well, I'm not sure if I would try to hire you. My company can't pay salary to anyone else but to myself
# [11:40] <Ms2ger> Heh
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# [11:42] <Ms2ger> smaug, surely I'm enough of an asset that you could renegotiate your contract with MoDenmark :)
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# [11:51] <jaws> roc: thanks for the review. does |kScrollMultipler| sound ok to you?
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# [11:51] <@roc> yes
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# [11:52] <Ms2ger> Speaking of reviews
# [11:52] <Ms2ger> roc? :)
# [11:53] <@roc> 'sup
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# [11:53] <Ms2ger> Bug 407105
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# [11:55] <@roc> hmm
# [11:55] <@roc> fell through the cracks, sorry
# [11:56] <Ms2ger> That's unlike you ;)
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# [12:34] <ttaubert> edmorley: hey, mak says he has failure on m-oth and he's about to disable the test, just fyi
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# [12:35] <edmorley> ttaubert: cool thanks :-)
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# [12:37] <Cwiiis> Is there a way to bisect within a merge commit with hg?
# [12:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1f3c7fa158aa - Marco Bonardo - Bug 720792 - browser_urlbarAutoFillTrimURLs.js cause can't work with autoFill nonzero delay
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# [12:55] <NeilAway> smaug++
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# [12:56] <NeilAway> (I know firebot doesn't keep track, but I still think it was unfair of Ms2ger)
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# [12:59] <Ms2ger> NeilAway--
# [12:59] <NeilAway> Ms2ger--
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# [13:00] <Ms2ger> :''''(
# [13:00] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: your fault for being so negative :-P
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# [13:13] <aleth> How does one check whether a (toplevel) window is minimized?
# [13:16] <aleth> Ah, found it (window.windowState == STATE_MINIMIZED)
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# [13:29] <edmorley> ** last call for inbound landings before the PGO trigger (otherwise there won't be time for it to go green) **
# [13:30] <Ms2ger> Last round? :)
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# [13:39] <@smaug> anyone going to merge m-i soon?
# [13:39] <Ms2ger> edmorley is
# [13:39] <@smaug> ah, perhaps edmorley
# [13:40] <@smaug> I'd like to get bsmith's patch to m-c asap
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# [13:47] <edmorley> smaug: last merge 60 mins ago, tip not really green enough atm, but will merge again before cutoff
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# [13:49] <edmorley> (last merge not yet marked)
# [13:50] <Ms2ger> edmorley, did you merge mak's permaorange to inbound?
# [13:54] <edmorley> Ms2ger: yeah I'll merge his fix to inbound (sorry was on a call)
# [13:54] <KaiRo> hah: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1237834
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# [14:08] <shng> Hi
# [14:08] <shng> I am trying to modify menulist.css to change the background color of popup menu to black
# [14:08] <shng> but doesnt seem to work :(
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# [14:09] <shng> any idea how can i change the color
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# [14:10] <ted> dietrich: sorry, i took a peek at it and just didn't have time to get through it
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# [14:10] <Ms2ger> smaug, do I need a QI entry for CC?
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# [14:13] <@khuey> Ms2ger: you need the interface_map_cycle_collection_begin macro
# [14:13] <shng> khuey: help me also plz
# [14:13] <Ms2ger> khuey, document pls
# [14:14] <@khuey> shng: I don't know anything about css, sorry
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# [14:15] <shng> khuey: ok i want to change the background color of popup menu
# [14:15] <@bz_sleep> humph
# [14:15] <@bz_sleep> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2012/01/
# [14:15] <@bz_sleep> is down?
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# [14:16] <Ms2ger> I doubt that would be humph's fault
# [14:16] <ted> hah
# [14:16] <ted> weird
# [14:16] <humph> :)
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# [14:19] <KaiRo> bz_sleep: maybe ftp server on overload after people advertised that FF10 is out and posted direct FTP downloads - wouldn't surprise me
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# [14:21] <@bz_sleep> KaiRo: yeah, indeed
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# [14:23] <KaiRo> and the load on our staging server also looks like that could be the case - load average: 49.54, 47.80, 53.23
# [14:23] <Ms2ger> khuey, what needs to come after NS_INTERFACE_MAP_CYCLE_COLLECTION_BEGIN?
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# [14:23] <@khuey> the object name
# [14:24] <Ms2ger> Actually
# [14:24] <Ms2ger> What is it called, because that isn't it
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# [14:24] <@khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpfe/components/directory/nsDirectoryViewer.cpp#111
# [14:24] <KaiRo> not sure if you hit that server directly when going to http://ftp.m.o but at least it doesn't sound completely healthy with that load
# [14:25] <KaiRo> though http://status.mozilla.com/ still gives ftp.m.o a clean bill of health
# [14:25] <Ms2ger> Ah, begin_cycle
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# [14:34] <Ms2ger> (thefacebook.com?)
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# [14:49] <@khuey> !seen bbonday
# [14:49] <@khuey> er
# [14:49] <@khuey> !seen bbondy
# [14:49] <firebot> I've never seen a 'bbonday', sorry.
# [14:49] <firebot> bbondy was last seen 3 days, 16 hours, 31 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying 'taras: yup I'll post that as a separate task and link it up' in #developers.
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# [14:51] <mak> edmorley: thanks fo the merge, I was actually unable to connect before, we reached the connections limit here :)
# [14:52] <edmorley> mak: np :-)
# [14:52] <edmorley> the more frequent android C1 oranges on both trees look a little worrying, or is it just me?
# [14:53] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [14:53] <mak> Ms2ger: thanks for starring
# [14:53] <Ms2ger> Np
# [14:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ff95d5991457 - Tim Taubert - Bug 716538 - [New Tab Page] Set to enabled by default on Nightly; r=jaws
# [14:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1fd0846a865f - Jared Wein - Bug 710373 - Pressing the vertical slider down arrow should move three lines instead of one. r=roc
# [14:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5421a03367b8 - Tim Taubert - Backed out changeset ff95d5991457 (bug 716538)
# [14:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a71b7cea4577 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
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# [14:59] <dietrich> ted: great, thanks for looking at it!
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# [15:00] <dietrich> looking forward to proper catching of new leaky check-ins
# [15:00] <ted> np, sorry it took so long
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# [15:00] <ted> argh
# [15:00] <ted> someone help me figure out why my nightlies are so janky
# [15:01] <ted> they are borderline unusable
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# [15:01] <Ms2ger> about:jank
# [15:01] <ted> i installed that
# [15:01] <ted> doesn't seem like it has a lot of actionable info
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# [15:01] <Ms2ger> Then blame smaug :)
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# [15:01] <ted> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1469773
# [15:01] <ted> that's my windows nightly
# [15:02] <Pike> PS: about:jank is introducing crashes, too
# [15:02] <ted> nice
# [15:02] <catlee> extra jank
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# [15:02] <ted> looks like
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# [15:02] <ted> "GC and places"
# [15:02] <@smaug> ted: which way janky?
# [15:02] <@smaug> ah, GC
# [15:02] <ted> this is really horrible though
# [15:03] <ted> smaug: every few minutes my browser hangs for multiple seconds
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# [15:03] <@smaug> ted: is that something new?
# [15:03] <@khuey> that sounds like places
# [15:03] <@khuey> not gc
# [15:03] <ted> seems fairly new
# [15:03] <@khuey> gc should run more frequently
# [15:03] <@smaug> ted: what is "fairly new"?
# [15:03] <ted> only the past week or so at most
# [15:03] <@smaug> ah, not from last night
# [15:03] <ted> i'm seeing this on all three OSes though
# [15:03] <ted> mac/win/linux
# [15:03] <@smaug> that is what I was worried, last night
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# [15:05] <@smaug> ted: bookmarks::RunInBatchMode looks horrible
# [15:05] <@khuey> ttaubert: nice work
# [15:05] <@smaug> does that do some mainthread I/O
# [15:05] <ttaubert> khuey: ty :)
# [15:05] <ted> smaug: i don't know :-/
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# [15:05] <ted> mak: ?
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# [15:06] <@khuey> ttaubert: if I ever get around to implementing toBlob I'll make it async at the same time
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# [15:06] <ttaubert> khuey: cool, that sounds great
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# [15:07] <mak> smaug: yes, it's terrible, but what are you looking for?
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# [15:08] <edmorley> ftp issues breaking tbpl :-(
# [15:08] <mak> smaug: we are working to remove it, but it's lot of work, it will happen at a certain point, opefully soon enough
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# [15:08] <mak> smaug: and yes, it's synchronous main thread sucking stuff
# [15:08] <@smaug> ted: any chance you're doing some I/O heavy thing in the background
# [15:09] <@smaug> mak: fixing it sounds good !
# [15:09] <ted> mak: not that i'm aware of, but it's possible
# [15:09] <ted> er, smaug:
# [15:09] <ted> but why has it gotten worse lately?
# [15:09] <ted> it's really frustrating
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# [15:10] <@smaug> mak: ted: has there been any places changes lately?
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# [15:11] <dietrich> ted: can you file a bug and provide some information about the timing? (eg, every minute? every 3 mins? random?)
# [15:11] <@smaug> I need to get some slow laptop for testing
# [15:12] <@smaug> running this laptop 800Mhz is not slow enough
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# [15:13] <ted> none of my computers are slow :-/
# [15:13] <ted> my windows box is a Core i7 with 8GB of ram
# [15:13] <catlee> poor guy
# [15:13] <mreid> I've got a growing pile of slow laptops. Not sure if they're slower than 800MHz though
# [15:14] <@smaug> I think I need a slow hd
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# [15:15] <lurking> wtf? latest hourly is suddenly sitting here not responding - wasn't even doing anything
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# [15:16] <ted> dietrich: i'll file the bug, i'll try to collect info but it's hard to pin down
# [15:16] <@smaug> sheppy: what crash?
# [15:16] <@smaug> sheppy: please file a bug
# [15:16] <sheppy> Yep, on it already
# [15:16] <@smaug> and make sure drivers know about it
# [15:16] <sheppy> Just finished relaunching
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# [15:16] <sheppy> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-0cfa5cfd-28fd-4a39-908b-7e4c42120131
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# [15:17] <@smaug> sheppy: CC me and mats to the bug
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# [15:17] <sheppy> Yep
# [15:17] <@smaug> though, I think mats' changes aren't in FF10
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# [15:18] <ted> filed bug 722678
# [15:19] <sheppy> smaubug 722679
# [15:19] <sheppy> er bug 722679
# [15:19] <@smaug> ted: finding regression range would be very useful
# [15:19] <ted> yeah
# [15:19] <ted> would be easier if i knew how to reproduce :-/
# [15:21] <lurking> hmm, early-bird release fanatics killing ftp ? can't get this to load:
# [15:21] <lurking> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-central-win32/
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# [15:21] <mak> smaug: so, no there have not been particular changes
# [15:21] <lurking> nm, status shows its down, or at least disrupted
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# [15:22] <lurking> wasn't there an swlite update in past few days ?
# [15:22] * lurking old brain does not remember as well as it used to :(
# [15:22] <lurking> err sqlite
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# [15:23] <mak> smaug: I assume these batches are started either by livemarks or Sync. I have a patch almost done for the first one
# [15:23] <mak> lurking: yes
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# [15:23] <@smaug> mak: to not do any main thread I/O ?
# [15:23] <@smaug> sounds great
# [15:23] <mak> smaug: for livemarks yes, that what will happen for sync too, but that'a a bit longer work
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# [15:24] <@khuey> dietrich: are we going to rewrite sessionstore to use indexedDB?
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# [15:26] <dietrich> khuey: indexedDB? no, this is the first i've heard of the idea.
# [15:26] <dietrich> our issues are almost entirely not storage-related
# [15:26] <dietrich> mostly not breaking work up correctly
# [15:26] <@khuey> ah, interesting
# [15:26] <mak> I don't think SQLite may be good for session store, cause it's not a db engine optimized for sequential reads/writes
# [15:26] * @khuey thought it was all mainthread i/o
# [15:27] <dietrich> some things, like persisting sessionStorage are.
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# [15:27] <dietrich> but that's the rarer case.
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# [15:28] <dietrich> khuey: bug 669034 is the metabug for session restore responsiveness issues
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# [15:28] <dietrich> in the common case, the json serialization and file-writing are not the problem
# [15:29] <dietrich> most often it's the sum total of session colection activities being done synchronously
# [15:29] <@smaug> dietrich: does file writing happen in main thread?
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# [15:29] <dietrich> smaug: nope
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# [15:31] <@khuey> hrm, anybody know what tells the socket transport service to shutdown?
# [15:31] <biesi> io service
# [15:32] <@khuey> aha
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# [15:32] <@khuey> biesi: do you know where in shutdown that happens?
# [15:32] <@khuey> well before xpcom-shutdown, right?
# [15:32] <biesi> hmm sorry, I don't recall
# [15:33] <@khuey> biesi: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=700493#c9
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# [15:34] <biesi> khuey, that shouldn't normally happen :/
# [15:34] <@khuey> yeah
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# [15:51] <@khuey> sheppy: MDN doesn't seem to redirect properly after logging in
# [15:52] <sheppy> Yes, we know. I believe that's being worked on. I will double-check.
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# [15:53] <@khuey> ok
# [15:55] <sheppy> Thanks for the report though :)
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# [15:56] <@khuey> how does one CC josh to a bug?
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# [15:56] <@khuey> he doesn't seem to be :josh
# [15:56] <@khuey> firebot: josh?
# [15:56] <firebot> khuey: Was it not... er, someone, who said: josh is Josh Aas, mailto:joshmoz@gmail.com
# [15:57] <@khuey> perfect
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# [16:01] <jlebar|mac> froydnj: You got the pong in the bug.
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# [16:04] <ted> i've found that i'm not actually a fan of inline autocomplete
# [16:04] <ted> turns out most of the terms i type into the awesomebar are not the domain name
# [16:04] <ted> or the page i want isn't the root domain
# [16:05] <ted> it just really doesn't add any value for me :-/
# [16:05] <reuben> ted, same here :|
# [16:05] <reuben> most of the times I use the keyword that I think is the most specific one for the url I want
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# [16:12] <jlebar> Can hg qimport bz:// import multiple patches at once?
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# [16:13] <KaiRo> does someone know what kind of exact info we need for graphics card blacklist? (I need this for bug 722538)
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# [16:15] <mak> ted: the old ac stuff is still there unchanged
# [16:15] <mak> ted: that's additional matching
# [16:16] <ted> mak: yeah, it just confuses my brain :-(
# [16:16] <KaiRo> joe: ping
# [16:16] <mak> ted: it's easy to disable, fwiw. We need another ux pass on that
# [16:17] <ted> i try not to disable too many things
# [16:17] <ted> trying to mostly use the product we ship to users :)
# [16:17] <ted> just feels like if we're not going to autocomplete the first result, it doesn't make sense
# [16:17] <KaiRo> is it the "AdapterVendorID/AdapterDeviceID/AdapterDriverVersion" info we need there?
# [16:17] <mak> ted: the idea is to help users who usually search in a simple way. most of them remember they want to visit facebook, or google, or gmail, or whatever that is easy matched
# [16:18] <mak> ted: we just can't replace what you are typing with something else, if you type zim (to match zimbra) and the first result is mail.moz.com, you'd end up with nonsense stuff
# [16:19] <ted> yeah
# [16:19] <mak> btw feel free to bring on feedbacks in the open bugs or open a new one
# [16:19] <ted> but now when i type zim, it completes zimbra.com, and i want mail.mozilla.com, and that breaks my brain
# [16:19] <mak> if you type mail it's likely completing correctly :)
# [16:19] <ted> yeah, but apparently that's not what i type
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# [16:20] <mak> fwiw, inline will be disabled in aurora, till we figre out usability and regressions
# [16:20] <ted> okay
# [16:21] <mak> ted: maybe, if the completion would be less "distracting", like grey, you would not be confused, would notice it when actually looking at the location bar
# [16:22] <mak> while commonly you'd continue with common ac behavior
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# [16:22] <mak> right now a large blue selection distracts eyes
# [16:23] <mak> I'm not really ux-wise, though
# [16:24] <reuben> someone also mentioned it's even more distracting if you use a screen reader
# [16:24] <sheppy> khuey: that MDN login glitch is being fixed in a push later today.
# [16:24] <@khuey> cool
# [16:25] <mak> reuben: should probably disable by itself if there's a screen reader, I'll appreciate bugs filed on issues. words on irc have limited persistency
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# [16:28] <reuben> tbsaunde, was it you who mentioned the screen reader being extra talkative with inline autocompletion?
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# [16:35] <@smaug> has something changed in scroll handling
# [16:36] <@smaug> it is so smooth
# [16:36] <kwierso> smooth scrolling got enabled or tweaked or something in the last month, iirc
# [16:36] <@smaug> this is something newer, I think
# [16:36] <kwierso> smaug^
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# [16:37] <@smaug> perhaps tn landed his synthetic mouse event handling change
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# [16:38] <@smaug> ted: just curious, how soon would you like to get reviews for the joystick thing?
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# [16:39] <ted> well, since it missed 12, i'm hopeful to get it landed for 13
# [16:39] <@smaug> I mean, is by the end of this week ok?
# [16:39] <ted> sure
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# [16:39] <ted> it's a pretty big patch
# [16:39] <ted> thanks
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# [16:39] <jaws> smaug: yeah, tn fixed bug 675015 recently
# [16:40] <Standard8> bsmith: so are we going to be able to land those patches for the ldap hang before the merge?
# [16:40] <bsmith> I am going to do so now.
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# [16:40] <jaws> bug 675015 is to suppress synthetic mouse events due to scrolling until the scroll is complete
# [16:41] <Standard8> bsmith: nice, thanks, I really appreciate all the work you've put in on this
# [16:41] <bsmith> Standard8: np, I am sorry about all the delays
# [16:41] <bsmith> Standard8: IMO, though, we should not land these on m-a or m-b though.
# [16:41] <bsmith> This is the part that I don't understand from Alex's email. I thought you were going to have some branch for Thuderbird to land these
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# [16:42] <Standard8> bsmith: for TB 11 which will be on beta after the merge, I can land it on relbranches
# [16:42] <Standard8> bsmith: for TB 12, which will be on aurora after the merge, I'd really like to avoid the relbranches
# [16:43] <bsmith> OK
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# [16:43] <Standard8> the overheads aren't bad
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# [16:43] <Standard8> but aurora is difficult to relbranch
# [16:43] <@bsmedberg> gavin: ping
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# [16:45] <Ms2ger> ehsan|afk, and here I was thinking you were renaming XRE_Main...
# [16:45] <ehsan|afk> hehe
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# [16:45] <froydnj> jlebar: ping
# [16:45] <jlebar> froydnj, hey
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# [16:46] <froydnj> jlebar: can you do the honors of backing on 707320 on aurora and nightly while the relevant bugs get analyzed and fixed?
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# [16:47] <jlebar> froydnj, From Nightly, sure. From Aurora (is it in Aurora, yet?), I need a+ from a driver.
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# [16:48] <froydnj> jlebar: went in a week ago today; has aurora branched yet?
# [16:48] <jlebar> froydnj, no, don't think so.
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# [16:49] <froydnj> jlebar: ok, then backing it out on nightly ought to be sufficient?
# [16:49] <jlebar> yes, if I push soon enough!
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# [16:49] <froydnj> push, jlebar, push!
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# [16:55] <jlebar> froydnj, Unfortunately I have to merge telemetryping.js by hand. :(
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# [16:56] <ttaubert> does anyone know why no errors from JSMs are reported?
# [16:56] <jlebar> froydnj, Can you look at the changes to telemetryping.js and tell me if they look reasonable?
# [16:56] * jlebar is going to run some tests, but it'll be a few minutes.
# [16:56] <jlebar> froydnj, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1469833
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# [16:58] <jaws> ehsan: can you take bug 702463? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702463
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# [16:58] <jaws> (this is the friendly ping you requested last week ;) )
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# [17:00] <felipe> ttaubert: I think there are various bugs about that, e.g. bug 564293. IIRC gavin was talking about that recently
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# [17:00] <ted> BenWa: thanks for the info
# [17:01] <ttaubert> felipe: cool thanks
# [17:01] <ted> i'll give the profiler nightly+profiler extension a shot
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# [17:01] <BenWa> ted: Excellent. I'm just waiting on setuping up the VM for windows before I announce it to dev.platform, but its great on mac
# [17:01] <ted> oh, is it not currently useful on windows?
# [17:01] <BenWa> ted: There's a low volume crash when using it. About ~1 day or less. Jeff is looking into it
# [17:01] <ted> cause that's where most of my browsing happens
# [17:02] <BenWa> ted: You won't get unwinding, you just get the markers
# [17:02] <ted> gotcha
# [17:02] <ted> i'll install it on my mac
# [17:02] <ted> since i'm seeing it a lot there too
# [17:02] <BenWa> So we could land some markers in that function and we could pick it up as jank
# [17:02] <froydnj> jlebar: the backout changes to telemetryping.js look reasonable to me
# [17:02] <jlebar> okay. I'll run tests once my build finishes.
# [17:03] <jlebar> froydnj, iirc, last time they tagged some random green cset as aurora-base. So we may have to back out on aurora as well. But that should be fine.
# [17:04] <ehsan> mconley: hmm, check this out: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/protocol/http/HttpBaseChannel.cpp#1474
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# [17:04] <ehsan> mconley: LOAD_ANONYMOUS Seems to do what you want
# [17:04] <ehsan> you just need to setup the docshell machinery to expose it through a loadURIWithFlags flag
# [17:04] <ehsan> :)
# [17:05] <mconley> ehsan: cool - very useful. Thanks. :)
# [17:05] <ehsan> jaws: at the last meeting I pledged to submit a patch for that before the next meeting (which will happen next week ;)
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# [17:05] <froydnj> jlebar: thanks for taking care of the vcs bits
# [17:05] <jlebar> froydnj, np.
# [17:06] <jaws> ehsan: i can also try to take a look at it (knowing not much about the refresh driver)
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# [17:07] <ehsan> jaws: nah, I think I can take it, shouldn't take too long
# [17:07] <ehsan> jaws: do you know about smooth scrolling, in case I have questions about that? :)
# [17:07] <@khuey> can somebody cc me to 641226?
# [17:07] <@khuey> (sg bug)
# [17:07] <ehsan> khuey: done
# [17:08] <@khuey> ty
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# [17:11] <jaws> ehsan: i admit to not knowing too much about smooth scrolling. I think Masayuki Nakano might know more.
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# [17:12] <ehsan> ok
# [17:12] <ehsan> thanks
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# [17:15] <bsmith> Standard8: besides the patches I pushed to inbound already today, are there any others you are expecting me to push?
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# [17:16] <@khuey> ehsan: darn, was hoping there was something useful in there ;-)
# [17:16] <ehsan> heh
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# [17:18] <Standard8> bsmith: nothing else today afaik, although bug 644764 could do with a push somewhere at some stage
# [17:18] <edmorley> jlebar: bustage on the checkin-needed unfortunately
# [17:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d74a924a149b - Justin Lebar - Back out bug 707320 (revs 5a315a55ea7e, 6c2b90a11ea8, 5c40a413d9a9, 51bffa83d14f) due to startup crashes (e.g. bug 722545). r=froydnj
# [17:19] <jlebar> edmorley, :( I thought he looked at the results of his try push.
# [17:19] <Standard8> bsmith: thanks
# [17:19] <jlebar> I'll back it out. Thanks.
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# [17:20] * Standard8 hopes there will be another mozilla-inbound merge before the merge to aurora
# [17:20] <@khuey> I don't think there's going to be
# [17:20] <snorp> jhford: hey, are you able to change the mozconfig for fennec nightly?
# [17:20] <@khuey> edmorley: ^
# [17:20] <edmorley> jlebar: his 2nd try run was windows only, so presume android regressed in the meantime. almost pushed it myself last night (but mercurial/my failing drive were misbehaving)
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# [17:21] <edmorley> khuey, Standard8: I'm doing one within 15 mins; it won't be green on m-c before 9am PST, but given the csets will have been green on inbound, it hasn't been a problem before
# [17:22] <edmorley> (...when it comes to picking the base aurora cset)
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# [17:22] <jlebar> edmorley, This looks kind of unrelated. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1469844
# [17:22] <jlebar> edmorley, Oh, it is. See red below it.
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# [17:23] <jlebar> edmorley, Red on b87113ff
# [17:23] <edmorley> ah, tbpl now showing shows; indeed
# [17:23] <edmorley> s/shows/those/
# [17:24] <edmorley> backing out b87113ff33ff
# [17:24] <bsmith> Standard8: np. I will land bug 644764 and other checkin-needed NSS bugs AFTER NSS 3.13.2
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# [17:24] <bsmith> because 3.13.2 will have to land on mozilla-beta, -aurora, and -central when it is finalized
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# [17:26] <gaston> bsmith: any luck for #706955 ? :)
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# [17:26] <bsmith> gaston: do you know of any problem that would be fixed by that?
# [17:27] <gaston> yeah, 669050 but it only affects me :)
# [17:27] <@bsmedberg> is ftp.mozilla.org down?
# [17:27] <bsmith> gaston: Oh, yes, I understand
# [17:27] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, taken down by the leaked Fx10, presumably
# [17:27] <bsmith> gaston: that isn't going to make it today
# [17:27] <bsmith> but it will land as soon as we agree on an r+able version
# [17:28] <gaston> but it's not a so big issue, since i have the fix in my queues anyway... at least there's a workaround :)
# [17:28] <gaston> great
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# [17:28] <ashish> bsmedberg: it is slow but shouldn't be down. i can reach it just fine - Index of ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/
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# [17:29] <@bsmedberg> huh, I can get to /pub/ but stuff under http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/ won't load...
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# [17:30] <josh> bsmedberg: I'm going to land 90268 as soon as the tree opens
# [17:30] <@bsmedberg> woohoo
# [17:30] <@bsmedberg> josh: coordinate with khuey, I think we were also going to switch to MSVC10 today
# [17:30] <@bsmedberg> 2010
# [17:30] <reuben> nice!
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# [17:35] <jimm> khuey: are we still waiting on metrics for bug 563318?
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# [17:36] <jwir3> I really wish DOMInspector allowed me to filter by CSS selector
# [17:36] <@khuey> jimm: no, we're doing it today
# [17:37] <kwierso> bsmedberg: probably all the [wonderful] people from the tech news sites pointing people at the super-official-and-super-secret Firefox 10 release that they've discovered through intrepid searching
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# [17:37] <josh> bsmedberg: Bug 501485 is assigned to you, do you still want it? I was planning to work on that next, but I'm fine with you doing it.
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# [17:37] <kwierso> bsmedberg: also, status.mozilla.com says ftp.mozilla.org (http) has a service disruption
# [17:38] <@khuey> gah
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# [17:38] <qDot> Hmm. Anyone else having problems with the new debs for nightly?
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# [17:39] <josh> khuey: Should I hold off on landing anything until the 2010 upgrade is done, and if so, when do you expect to have it done?
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# [17:41] <@khuey> josh: well, I'm planning to do it immediately after the merge is done
# [17:41] <@khuey> josh: the order doesn't really matter though
# [17:41] <josh> khuey: you first, my friend
# [17:41] <@khuey> heh, ok
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# [17:47] <@khuey> bent: you're doing this vacation thing wrong
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# [17:47] <bent> khuey, just coordinating dinner, then i'm off!
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# [17:48] <@smaug> Honza: please file bugs about those CC log improvements
# [17:48] <@smaug> Honza: CC me and mccr8
# [17:48] <@smaug> Honza: trunk is already a bit better, but we should be able to improve JS object logging
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# [17:50] <@khuey> well getting JSObjects out is a total pain
# [17:50] <@khuey> if mccr8 would fix up my patch ... ;-)
# [17:50] <mccr8> khuey: hah yeah that is on my agenda...
# [17:50] <@khuey> excellent
# [17:50] <mccr8> I think JS heap dumping is probably a better place for some of the extra info Honza wants.
# [17:51] <@smaug> mccr8: well, if possible, just adding script file name next to JSObject would be nice
# [17:51] <mccr8> smaug: yeah that may be doable without too much trouble.
# [17:52] <gaston> is there a page showing fx10 propagation to mirrors ?
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# [17:56] <jmaher> Yoric: pong
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# [17:57] <Yoric> jmaher: hi
# [17:57] <Yoric> Did you succeed at recording several stuff in one single xperf measurement?
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# [17:57] <Yoric> That is, both |base| or |latency| or something such and "Mozilla Generic Provider".
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# [17:58] <jmaher> Yoric: I haven't spent a lot of time on it :(
# [17:58] <Yoric> ok, no problem
# [17:58] <Yoric> I wanted to make a demo, but it was quite unimpressive :)
# [17:59] <jimm> khuey: landing those patches today, or getting metrics today?
# [17:59] <jmaher> Yoric: heh
# [17:59] <@bz> mrbkap: ping
# [17:59] <jmaher> Yoric: once I get my top priority mobile test automation stuff done I am going to spend a couple days on xperf
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# [17:59] <jimm> khuey: nm, read your follow comments
# [17:59] <Yoric> jmaher: thanks.
# [17:59] <Yoric> Anyway, it seems that I need to unbitrot it once again.
# [18:00] <jmaher> Yoric: yes, and we should land as soon as that is done
# [18:00] <@bsmedberg> jdm: it's pretty high on my list, but if you want it that's fine
# [18:00] <jdm> ..what?
# [18:00] <Ms2ger> jdm, cake
# [18:00] <jdm> I am actually indifferent to cake
# [18:01] * jdm graciously lets bsmedberg keep it
# [18:01] <mrbkap> bz: give me 5 minutes?
# [18:01] <@bz> mrbkap: sure
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# [18:03] <Ms2ger> "The End" was rather optimistic, mfinkle
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# [18:03] <Standard8> edmorley: oh, I was kinda hoping to get https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d9eab22ce37a to central
# [18:04] <Ms2ger> A bit late now, isn't it? :)
# [18:04] <Standard8> probably, but I was afk for a bit
# [18:04] <@khuey> you've got 3 minutes, I think
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# [18:04] <@khuey> who is doing the migration now that Legneato left?
# [18:04] <@khuey> akeybl: ^?
# [18:04] <akeybl> khuey: I am :)
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# [18:05] <@khuey> ah
# [18:05] <akeybl> just finishing up pushing to release
# [18:05] <akeybl> it'll be another half hour till we close m-c
# [18:05] <akeybl> I'll announce and such
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# [18:05] <edmorley> Standard8: way too late for that, sorry (plus the android bustage under that landing isn't fixed until the push after
# [18:05] <edmorley> )
# [18:05] <jdm> bsmedberg: ping
# [18:06] <edmorley> Standard8: pgo green takes ~4.5 hours
# [18:06] <@bsmedberg> jdm: heh
# [18:06] * Standard8 sighs
# [18:06] <Standard8> guess we'll have to go the approval route
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# [18:06] <Ms2ger> Landing on merging morning is always a gamble
# [18:06] <Ms2ger> Better luck next time
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# [18:07] <Standard8> Ms2ger: yes, unfortunately most of that was out of my control
# [18:08] <edmorley> <3 philor, that was next on my list
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# [18:08] <Ms2ger> Not blaming you, but you could always try to bribe reviewers and the like to work faster ;)
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# [18:10] <@khuey> are linux l10n repacks still broken?
# [18:10] <@khuey> or did we fix that?
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# [18:11] <@khuey> yes, yes we did
# [18:12] <philor> fixed by backout, right?
# [18:12] <philor> followed by unwarranted insults to Callek :)
# [18:12] <@khuey> something like that
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# [18:13] <@khuey> I think it was preceeded by though
# [18:13] <@khuey> not followed
# [18:13] <@bz> contemporaneous insults
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# [18:14] <hub> so if I push to m-i, it will be in 13?
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# [18:14] <@bz> hub: I would expect so, yes
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# [18:16] <jdm> bsmedberg: "<bsmedberg> jdm: it's pretty high on my list, but if you want it that's fine" - was that misdirected at me?
# [18:16] <jdm> I'm living in anxiety here; I might want something but I don't know what!
# [18:16] <@bsmedberg> oh bah, that was josh who pinged
# [18:17] <@bsmedberg> josh: if you'd like plugin-unloading, go ahead. It's on my shortlist still.
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# [18:17] * @bz bets jdm doesn't want plugin-unloading
# [18:18] <@khuey> want it or want to implement it?
# [18:18] <jdm> shit no
# [18:18] <jdm> get behind me, satan
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# [18:18] <@bsmedberg> I thought that was an odd ping! ;-)
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# [18:18] <@bz> khuey: "want" as in "wanna own?"
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# [18:20] <@khuey> bsmedberg: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=521853#c4
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# [18:20] <gavin> bsmedberg: pong
# [18:21] <@bsmedberg> gavin: I saw you prepared a backout patch for the plugin-crash UI
# [18:21] <edmorley> hub: yeah 13
# [18:21] <@bsmedberg> gavin: did you want to wait for dolske? I was just going to push the original backout to -central
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# [18:21] <hub> ok cool so I just need to make sure it is green :-)
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# [18:23] <gavin> bsmedberg: no need to wait, I just hadn't tested it
# [18:24] <gavin> I wanted to leave in the notification that was added
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# [18:27] <Honza> smaug: great, just filing the report (cc logging)
# [18:27] <bsmith> What is the spamfilter password for http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/weekly-updates.fcgi/signup?
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# [18:27] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg,
# [18:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/294b0fcf805b - Rail Alieev - bug 714978: change mac osx compiler in official branded beta+release builds from using -j1 to -j4. r=nthomas DONTBUILD because it doesn't affect dep/nightly builds.
# [18:28] <bsmith> thanks, I got it
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# [18:30] <WeirdAl> :) On which IRC channel might I track uplift efforts?
# [18:30] <@bsmedberg> ok, how do I save and quit in vim?
# [18:30] <froydnj> bsmedberg: :wq
# [18:30] <@bsmedberg> froydnj: colon just types it in the line...
# [18:30] <mwu> hit escape first
# [18:30] <froydnj> oh, <esc> :wq
# [18:31] <@khuey> WeirdAl: ask akeybl
# [18:31] <Ms2ger> I say :q! is all you need to know about vim
# [18:32] <jwir3> bsmedberg: You can also use ZZ
# [18:32] <jwir3> to save and quit
# [18:32] <@bz> Ms2ger: unless you want to save
# [18:32] <jwir3> (Assuming you're not in edit mode
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# [18:33] <firebot> Check-in:
# [18:33] <Ms2ger> Why would I? I probably messed up the file with some weird key-combo
# [18:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/bbc7014db2de - Doug Turner - Bug 720092 - java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException: getChars (0 ... 88168) ends beyond length 0. We do not know why this is happening yet. This patch catches the throw and logs what
# [18:33] <firebot> values we have for start and end. r=alexp
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# [18:34] <edmorley> ehsan: the backout of serge's test removal won't make 12 btw
# [18:34] <jhammel> Ms2ger++
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# [18:38] <@khuey> ehsan: ping
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# [18:38] <@khuey> or anyone else who knows about private browsing
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# [18:39] <ehsan> edmorley: that
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# [18:39] <ehsan> edmorley: that's fine I guess
# [18:39] <ehsan> I don't know why serge landed that patch!!!
# [18:39] <ehsan> khuey: pong you on the other channcel
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# [18:39] <ehsan> *channel
# [18:39] * ehsan can
# [18:39] <@khuey> yep
# [18:40] <ehsan> 't type
# [18:40] <ehsan> oh gosh
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# [18:41] <edmorley> ehsan: yeah, particularly after I'd backed the first one out and mentioned differed from what had been reviewed once already
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# [18:41] <Honza> smaugIC: do you want me to do separate report for the "iterate JS/CC heap from JS"?
# [18:41] <ftps> sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but does anyone know when the http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-central-win32/ ftp will be back online?
# [18:42] <@khuey> when slashdot stops hammering it, probably
# [18:42] <kwierso> ^
# [18:42] <ehsan> edmorley: why he did not even ping me before trying to remove that test completely is beyond me! ;)
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# [18:43] <Ms2ger> ehsan, Ha. Ha. Ha.
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# [18:44] <@bz> khuey: we made slashdot?
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# [18:44] * @bz didn't see fx10 stuff there
# [18:44] <@khuey> bz: I have no idea
# [18:44] <@bz> various other places, yes
# [18:44] <@khuey> we usually make something like that
# [18:44] <@bz> anyone seen gal
# [18:46] <cers> is there a way to get a count of line insertions and deletions between two firefox releases? (say 9 and 10)
# [18:46] * Ms2ger throws IntegerOverflowError at cers
# [18:46] <ftps> darn, wanted to get the latest hourly build because Azure-Thebes has some fixes, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715658 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719136 which would be nice for testing, but now it looks like the ftp will be hammered all day :(
# [18:46] <@khuey> has anybody else started getting slow script dialogs on tbpl?
# [18:47] <jwir3> khuey: _started_ ?
# [18:47] <@khuey> yes
# [18:47] <jwir3> khuey:: They're always pretty slow for me. :)
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# [18:47] <philor> the only time I ever do is when I accidentally hover the pushes in a huge merge cset
# [18:47] <@khuey> oh
# [18:47] <@khuey> I did just push 2000 csets to b-s
# [18:47] <@khuey> that might be related
# [18:47] <Ms2ger> khuey, nice trick
# [18:48] <philor> we do something really stupid while displaying the tooltips
# [18:48] <Ms2ger> Gotta cache 'em all?
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# [18:49] <espindola> rail: could you put the hg rpms somewhere in people.mozilla.org?
# [18:49] <cers> Ms2ger: I guess maybe if I can figure out the relevant hg ids, I could do a diff and count -'s and +'s?
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# [18:49] <rail> espindola: sure, one min
# [18:49] <Ms2ger> cers, in that case, hg diff --stat
# [18:50] <@khuey> cers: the hard part is excluding test code
# [18:50] <jdm> khuey: I know stuff about PB
# [18:50] <jdm> what's up?
# [18:50] <cers> khuey: I guess - but it'd be enough for an estimate
# [18:50] <@khuey> jdm: got it figured out
# [18:50] <@khuey> but thanks
# [18:50] <cers> Ms2ger: nice - then I just need to figure out the hg id's of the releases
# [18:51] <Ms2ger> Ah
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# [18:51] <Ms2ger> That's going to be harder
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# [18:51] <Ms2ger> Because I don't think there's a repo that has two consecutive releases
# [18:51] <Ms2ger> But maybe the aurora tags are a good enough approximation?
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# [18:51] <edmorley> Shouldn't http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ say "community-led" rather than "community-lead", or am I getting confused?
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# [18:53] <Ms2ger> edmorley, I started to look, but then I saw ESR and realized I don't care
# [18:53] <edmorley> ha
# [18:53] <kwierso> edmorley: you are correct
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# [18:53] <mbrubeck> Maybe they mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead
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# [18:53] <cers> Ms2ger: probably - or maybe I can do something with the release branch?
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# [18:53] <edmorley> (man, esr is already using up our time...)
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# [18:54] <Ms2ger> cers, so I think release would have leaves of a DAG, and you couldn't easily compare them
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# [18:55] <cers> Ms2ger: hmm, ok
# [18:55] <cers> Ms2ger: so looking for aurora tags on central is the best way to go you think?
# [18:55] <Ms2ger> Probably, yes
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# [18:58] <rail> espindola: http://people.mozilla.org/~raliiev/hg/
# [18:59] <edmorley> kwierso: thanks, filed
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# [19:01] <Ms2ger> "a nsresult" or "an nsresult"
# [19:01] <Ms2ger> Grammar Constable edmorley?
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# [19:01] <jhammel> "an nsresult"
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# [19:01] <Waldo> an
# [19:01] <jwir3> is there an equivalent pref setting mechanism in iOS Safari for our 'about:config'?
# [19:01] <cers> I'd say an
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# [19:02] <kwierso> Ms2ger: http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/540/01/ says "an"
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# [19:03] <edmorley> yeah, it's based on the phonetic rather than written form
# [19:03] * Ms2ger goes with the majority
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# [19:03] <kwierso> (as long as you're pronouncing "ns" as two separate syllables)
# [19:03] <Ms2ger> edmorley, you mean you don't say nusresult?
# [19:03] <Waldo> dear lazydevelopers, what release would a patch that landed September 14 last year be in?
# [19:03] <Ms2ger> Waldo, https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar
# [19:04] <edmorley> beat me to it
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# [19:04] <Ms2ger> edmorley, :)
# [19:04] <edmorley> glad to see you kept the link :-)
# [19:04] <kwierso> Waldo: 9 was on m-c at the time
# [19:04] * Waldo notes that sometimes "an historic (moment|landmark|...)" is considered valid, although he thinks the reasons for that are stupid and the pattern should die
# [19:04] <jwir3> Waldo: I would expect 10 actuallty
# [19:05] <Ms2ger> An hero?
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# [19:05] <jwir3> Ms2ger: I think it depends on who you ask
# [19:06] <Ms2ger> On whom I ask, you mean? ;)
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# [19:06] <jwir3> Ms2ger: I've heard news reporters use that before
# [19:06] <Waldo> I think it was that "an 'istoric" was a weird accented pronunciation
# [19:06] <jwir3> Ms2ger: Good catch. ;) I wasn't an english major.
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# [19:07] <blizzard> hsivonen: oops
# [19:07] <Ms2ger> jwir3|lunch, I'm a second-language grammar nazi, sorry :)
# [19:07] <Waldo> bz: ping
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# [19:10] <@bz> waldo: echo
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# [19:11] <WeirdAl> Hmm... I've tried three times to hg clone mozilla-release today, and three times it's aborted
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# [19:11] <edmorley> Ms2ger: 'h' is only excepted if it's silent
# [19:11] <edmorley> aiui
# [19:12] <edmorley> anyway </pedant>
# [19:12] <Mook_as> and I just did a hg pull in my m-r mirror, and it succeeded the first time. WeirdAl, try starting from the bundle?
# [19:12] <WeirdAl> worth a shot
# [19:12] <Ms2ger> <pedant>
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# [19:15] <akeybl> All: We'll be closing the tress and starting the merge shortly. We'll message again once mozilla-central is open.
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# [19:15] <@bz> dundundun
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# [19:17] * Ms2ger changes topic to 'm-c: CLOSING m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: January 31st || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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# [19:19] <edmorley> jlebar: orange on the m-c backout
# [19:19] <edmorley> akeybl: ^
# [19:19] <jlebar> edmorley, Dang, that's bad.
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# [19:20] <jlebar> edmorley, It was kind of an emergency thing.
# [19:20] <jlebar> edmorley, I guess we'll just have to back out of Aurora.
# [19:21] <akeybl> edmorley: I believe we pull even on red (/cc bz)
# [19:21] <akeybl> we can fix on Aurora prior to our first build
# [19:21] <@bz> we can pull whatever
# [19:21] <@bz> but we might have to back out a bunch of stuff
# [19:21] <@bz> or land something
# [19:21] <@bz> I'd just pull the last green unless there are really strong reasons not to
# [19:22] <@bz> if we know for a fact that everything after is not green
# [19:22] <@bz> That's the same end result as pulling "now" and then backing out to last green!
# [19:22] <Ms2ger> But less of a mess on aurora!
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# [19:23] <edmorley> it's unfortunate, since the merge from inbound is known green, it's just the cset before it on m-c that now has M-oth orange, but don't mind either way, will adjust the half dozen inbound merged bug milestones if they don't make it
# [19:23] <@bz> Ms2ger: well, right
# [19:23] <@bz> it's sorta up to whoever is doing the merge
# [19:23] <jlebar> edmorley, $ hg backout --rev d74a924a149b
# [19:23] <jlebar> abort: cannot backout change on a different branch
# [19:23] <@bz> depending on how much work they want to do
# [19:23] <jlebar> edmorley, What's the magic incantation?
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# [19:25] <mbrubeck> jlebar: "hg pull && hg up -c bbc7014db2de"
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# [19:25] <edmorley> jlebar: I've got the backout in progress if that helps
# [19:25] <mbrubeck> i.e., make sure your working copy is at m-c tip.
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# [19:25] <jlebar> edmorley, that helps; thanks. :)
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# [19:25] <jlebar> mbrubeck, Is there a way to hg up to the right branch without specifying a rev number?
# [19:26] <mbrubeck> jlebar: "hg up default" should work, unless you're like me and pull from several different remote repos into your local repo
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# [19:26] <jlebar> mbrubeck, aha, that works. Thanks!
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# [19:27] <mbrubeck> or just "hg up" if you have just pulled new changesets from the repo+branch you are trying to push to.
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# [19:28] <edmorley> jlebar: tree closed, so I'll push after
# [19:28] <jlebar> edmorley, Sounds like a plan. Thanks.
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# [19:29] <@bz> we have too much code
# [19:29] <@bsmedberg> mozilla-central.hg left: :40:17... should be done just in time for the eng meeting!
# [19:29] * @bz wants his 30 second build times
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# [19:30] <@bsmedberg> rm -rf content/xul
# [19:30] <cers> bz: if I could mine under an hour (for a full build) I'd be happy
# [19:30] <@bsmedberg> I think we're pretty close to removing RDF finally
# [19:30] <@bz> cers: oh, full build is under an hour
# [19:30] <cers> bz: not for me it isn't
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# [19:31] * Waldo remembers building back in 2003/2004 on a P2 450 being about 3.5h
# [19:31] <@khuey> TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | chrome://mochitests/content/browser/browser/modules/test/browser_TelemetryTimestamps.js | Exception thrown - [Exception... "'[JavaScript Error: "this.getSessionPayloadAndSlug is not a function" {file: "resource:///components/TelemetryPing.js" line: 556}]' when calling method: [nsIObserver::observe]" nsresult: "0x80570021 (NS_ERROR_XPC_JAVASCRIPT_ERROR_WITH_DETAILS)" location: "JS frame :: chrome://mochitests/content/browser/
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# [19:31] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: you're showing your age!
# [19:31] * @bz had a p3-733 back then
# [19:31] <@bz> builds were ok. ;)
# [19:31] <cers> bz: but I guess I can blame my old macbook for that :-/
# [19:31] * @khuey doesn't think that's his fault
# [19:31] <Ms2ger> Waldo, I was way over that until last summer :)
# [19:31] <Ms2ger> khuey, YES IT IS!
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# [19:32] <@bsmedberg> ted: do you know, before I start downloading, whether the tryserver crashreporter-symbols.zip has .sym files or just .pdb files?
# [19:32] <jlebar> Ms2ger, If you volunteer to do all of khuey's work for the next six months, I bet he could speed up the build a bit. :)
# [19:32] <ted> bsmedberg: probably just .sym files
# [19:32] <@bsmedberg> oh, that would be nice
# [19:33] <@bsmedberg> in this particular case at least ;-)
# [19:33] <ted> the symbols-full.zip files have the native symbols
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# [19:33] <ted> yeah
# [19:33] <ted> PITA in many other cases
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# [19:34] <Ms2ger> Waldo, no u ;)
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# [19:35] <edmorley> khuey: m-c was (well, is) broken, so it isn't the msvc2010 change
# [19:35] <@bz> so is someone on this orange?
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# [19:35] <edmorley> yeah, but the tree is closed for merge
# [19:35] <edmorley> and "akeybl: we can fix on Aurora prior to our first build"
# [19:36] <@bz> ok
# [19:36] <@bz> so...
# [19:36] <edmorley> I have the backout of the backout queued
# [19:36] <@bz> well
# [19:36] <@bz> so....
# [19:36] <@bz> ok
# [19:36] <@bz> so coordinate with akeybl
# [19:36] <Ms2ger> What's the last good rev?
# [19:36] <@bz> Ms2ger: before bug 707320 landed? ;)
# [19:36] <edmorley> as in perfectly green: a71b7cea4577
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# [19:37] <Ms2ger> I'd take that, then
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# [19:38] <edmorley> so much for taking the afternoon off to do a helpfully timed (and pgo green) inbound merge that makes it in time then ;-)
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# [19:38] <jlebar> edmorley, Sorry about the bustage. :(
# [19:38] <edmorley> it's ok hehe :-)
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# [19:40] * edmorley changes topic to 'm-c: CLOSED m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: 13th March || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [19:41] <NeilAway> gavin: fwiw, I never got a reply to bug 649840 comment 42 last sentence...
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# [19:43] <gavin> NeilAway: that doesn't look like a question to me
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# [19:43] <gavin> NeilAway: why not just include that changein the path and ask for review?
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# [19:54] <ftps> hooray, the ftp is back
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# [19:55] <ftps> or not, spoke too soon, can't load any folder
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# [20:04] <WeirdAl> wow, seems like not that long ago, that FF 0.10.1 release... now we're up to 10.0...
# [20:04] <@bz> just rearranging the digits
# [20:04] * @bz is up to 12.0 anyway
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# [20:05] * Ms2ger feels up to 13 already
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# [20:06] <Waldo> next version will go to 11
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# [20:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/801015738a12 - Alex Keybl - Added tag AURORA_BASE_20120131 for changeset bbc7014db2de
# [20:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d1b151b52ca7 - Alex Keybl - Bug 700000 - Version bump
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# [20:07] <ftps> just waiting for Firefox 13.0 compiled with MSVC 2010 SP1, long overdue update to the compiler
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# [20:08] <edmorley> ftps: thank win2k and winxp sp1
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# [20:08] <@khuey> edmorley: the compiler bump is first in the queue after the tree stabilizes
# [20:08] <@khuey> so let me know when that is
# [20:08] * akeybl --------------------------
# [20:08] <akeybl> All: mozilla-central is now open. We'll message again once mozilla-aurora and mozilla-beta are open.
# [20:08] <Waldo> stable tree? you must be new here
# [20:08] * akeybl --------------------------
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# [20:09] <@khuey> Waldo: :-P
# [20:09] <WeirdAl> akeybl: you picked the free beer bug? :)
# [20:09] <akeybl> :)
# [20:09] <@dolske> :D
# [20:09] <BenWa> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2012-01-31
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# [20:10] <NeilAway> gavin: ok, perhaps the word reply was a bit strong, maybe I meant response
# [20:10] <NeilAway> gavin: from ehsan again?
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# [20:11] <gavin> NeilAway: sure
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# [20:11] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: <groan/>
# [20:12] <Ms2ger> NeilAway--
# [20:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/974b0efab5c8 - Ed Morley - Backout d74a924a149b (in effect relanding bug 707320) due to M-oth orange
# [20:12] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: wtf?
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# [20:12] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, just for you :)
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# [20:13] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: well, I feel I should return the favour
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# [20:18] <ehsan> NeilAway: can I help?
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# [20:19] <edmorley> khuey: should be good now
# [20:19] <@khuey> ok
# [20:19] <edmorley> backed out and starred all visible so far
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# [20:23] <blizzard> josh: did we solve the pandora problems?
# [20:23] <blizzard> josh: with the plugin content change?
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# [20:24] <jlebar> blizzard, yes. At least, hopefully. :)
# [20:24] <jlebar> froydnj, Can I hand off the backout back to you? Looks like I botched it myself, in my hurry to get it in.
# [20:25] <blizzard> jlebar: ok
# [20:25] <josh> blizzard: yes
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# [20:25] <blizzard> josh: good, good
# [20:26] <cers> Ms2ger: btw, I did end up trying to do it on mozilla-release, between the tags for 9.0.1 and 10.0, and I got 11246 files changed, 864165 insertions(+), 568547 deletions(-)
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# [20:27] <edmorley> akeybl: are the extra/dupe tags intentional? https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/d1b151b52ca7/.hgtags
# [20:28] <edmorley> I'm not overly familar with the .hgtags file, so I could just be missing somethiong
# [20:29] <Mossop> .hgtags is dumb, but it just ignores dupes
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# [20:29] <NeilAway> ehsan: well, the magic of bugzilla directed bug 649840 comment 42 at gavin but sadly you had no idea that it was of interest; if you do have some time to respond to it I would be grateful
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# [20:30] <edmorley> Mossop: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tag says 0000000000... means deleted, so does that mean just the dupe was deleted or the original too?
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# [20:30] <Mossop> edmorley: I would bet the original too
# [20:30] <edmorley> I suppose we'll find out soon enough :-)
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# [20:31] <ehsan> NeilAway: huh, I had indeed missed that comment!
# [20:31] <ehsan> NeilAway: r=me to remove the test then
# [20:32] <NeilAway> ehsan: thanks
# [20:32] <NeilAway> wait, I can't remove it, because it's still there on m-c...
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# [20:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fc1202d75165 - Kyle Huey - Bug 563318: Switch to MSVC 2010 on trunk. r=ted
# [20:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/29514d9b4216 - Kyle Huey - Merge m-c to b-s.
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# [20:34] <jimm> woot!
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# [20:34] <edmorley> \o/
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# [20:37] <ftps> YES
# [20:37] <ftps> finally
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# [20:38] <ehsan> NeilAway: I backed out that patch
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# [20:38] <jimm> hasta la vista Win2k..
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# [20:40] <jduell> sicking: http://www.socialresearchmethods.net/kb/dedind.php
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# [20:44] <qDot> khuey: Wow, you're fast. I was invalidating the launchpad bug myself. :)
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# [20:47] <jwir3> does anyone know of a good heuristic to determine, with some probability, if something is a list? (e.g. "one, two, three, four, five" and "Site Map | Links | About | Careers | About Us" are both lists, because they have a series of words or short phrases, separated by some set of characters
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# [20:49] <@khuey> qDot: I terminate misfiled bugs in build stuff with extreme prejudice
# [20:50] <qDot> Sorry. :|
# [20:50] <@khuey> it's fine :-)
# [20:50] <qDot> REalized directly after I posted that, that the launchpad maintainers are linaro. :)
# [20:51] <dholbert> jwir3, Is this for parsing a CSS property?
# [20:52] <dholbert> jwir3, if you have a guess at the separator token, you could pass your string into a version of nsCharSeparatedTokenizerTemplate and see if it parses successfully
# [20:52] <edmorley> qDot: ah my comment is redundant then :-)
# [20:54] <jwir3> dholbert: no. it's an experiment for seeing if I can accurately determine if something is a list of links, like a navigation bar, without _too_ much error
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# [21:10] <Ms2ger> bz, the parser, where else?
# [21:10] <@bz> Ms2ger: does text/plain go through the parser?
# [21:10] <Ms2ger> Yep
# [21:10] <@bz> Ms2ger: does image/* ?
# [21:11] <@bz> Ms2ger: spec link, please?
# [21:11] <Ms2ger> Nope
# [21:11] <@bz> Ms2ger: curious
# [21:11] <Ms2ger> http://whatwg.org/c/#read-text
# [21:11] <Ms2ger> multipage is broken :/
# [21:12] <Hixie> multipage is broken waiting for anne to get back
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# [21:12] <@bz> Ms2ger: hoh-hum
# [21:12] <Ms2ger> Hixie, I'm aware :)
# [21:12] <@bz> Ms2ger: will the parser end up setting the quirks mode in the PLAINTEXT state?
# [21:12] <Ms2ger> On the <pre> token, no?
# [21:13] <@bz> hmm
# [21:13] <@bz> that's possible
# [21:13] <@bz> ok
# [21:13] <@bz> is that what UAs do?
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# [21:13] <Ms2ger> Hmm, I might have a test for that
# [21:13] <Ms2ger> phone, bbiab
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# [21:14] <jhammel|lunch> Ms2ger has a phone?!?
# [21:14] <dbuc> go ahead and let me know if this need represents a unicorn feature, but is there any chance I can stick a chrome.manifest into a Jetpack's xpi and have it register a chrome content page when it is loaded?
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# [21:14] <jhammel|lunch> must be a b2Ms2ger thing
# [21:15] <dbuc> essentially, dynamic registration of chrome content resources without jar/restart
# [21:15] <dbuc> is there a resource you all can point me to or some known route to doing so?
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# [21:23] <edmorley> khuey: will win2k and winxp sp1 users on Nightly still get the update tomorrow or has that been turned off already?
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# [21:26] <@khuey> edmorley: I don't think we've turned that off
# [21:26] <edmorley> khuey: presume we need bug 682182 to be landed before the nightly generation then?
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# [21:26] <@khuey> edmorley: if we care about that
# [21:26] <@khuey> yes
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# [21:27] <@khuey> jhford-buildduty: ^
# [21:27] <Ms2ger> bz, looks like doc.compatMode === "BackCompat" in Gecko/Chrome/Opera
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# [21:30] <dbuc> I will give someone a candybar if they can tell me if this is feasible:
# [21:30] <dbuc> (12:07:53 PM) dbuc: go ahead and let me know if this need represents a unicorn feature, but is there any chance I can stick a chrome.manifest into a Jetpack's xpi and have it register a chrome content page when it is loaded?
# [21:30] <Ms2ger> No
# [21:30] <@dolske> hmm, are we shooting ourselves in the foot with webfonts / CORS? http://aharoni.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/kim-jong-il-tumblr-webfonts-and-firefox/
# [21:30] <Ms2ger> Candybar pls
# [21:30] <jhford-buildduty> khuey: i am finding someone to take that (i dont have the needed privs).
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# [21:30] <jhford-buildduty> khuey: does this need to be done, 100%, before nightlies tonight?
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# [21:30] <Ms2ger> dolske, roc will be happy to tell you about webfonts and cors :)
# [21:31] <@khuey> jhford-buildduty: I don't think so
# [21:31] <dbuc> I need me some chrome content registered via Jetpack restartless add-on
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# [21:31] <gcp> dcamp: ping
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# [21:31] <@roc> what about?
# [21:31] <@khuey> jhford-buildduty: if people are running nightly on an ancient platform, they get what they get
# [21:31] <dbuc> alright, fine, two candybars final offer
# [21:31] <dcamp> gcp: reading your bugs, planning to review this afternoon
# [21:31] <jhford-buildduty> khuey: and we know that won't work?
# [21:31] <dbuc> wrapped in bacon
# [21:31] <dcamp> gcp: anything you want to add here?
# [21:31] <@khuey> jhford-buildduty: well they'll get builds that won't startup
# [21:31] <gcp> dcamp: no, it's ready to land as far as I'm concerned.
# [21:31] <Ms2ger> roc, <dolske> hmm, are we shooting ourselves in the foot with webfonts / CORS? http://aharoni.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/kim-jong-il-tumblr-webfonts-and-firefox/
# [21:32] <@dolske> roc: do Chrome/Safari not do CORS for fonts?
# [21:32] <dcamp> gcp: okey dokey, will start looking today. Thanks!
# [21:32] <dbuc> ddahl: can you help me :)
# [21:32] <jhford-buildduty> khuey: nthomas is going to work on 682182
# [21:32] <ddahl> dbuc: what up?
# [21:32] <dbuc> I need to register some chrome content resources...
# [21:33] <dbuc> with a restartless jetpack :)
# [21:33] <dbuc> is that possible?
# [21:33] <dbuc> to just have a chrome.manifest in the Jp's xpi maybe?
# [21:33] <hub> reminds me of Vimeo insulting Firefox user by saying "get an HTML5 capable browser" and linking to Safari, even on Linux
# [21:33] <@roc> dolske: they don't have a default same-origin restriction for fonts. IE does though.
# [21:34] <@dolske> ah, that sounds less bad.
# [21:34] <ddahl> dbuc: i would ask in #jetpack I am not sure if that is possible - it might be now
# [21:35] <dbuc> hmm, they said they didn't have a method as of yet
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# [21:35] <dbuc> I was just wondering what happens if you add a chrome.manifest to a Jetpack XPI
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# [21:35] <dbuc> wasn't sure if those files were only parsed on startup
# [21:35] <ddahl> dbuc: http://www.oxymoronical.com/blog/2011/10/Overlays-without-overlays-in-restartless-add-ons
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# [21:36] <ddahl> dbuc: https://github.com/Mossop/WebAppTabs/blob/master/src/bootstrap.js#L42
# [21:36] <@roc> I've got into a state where any time Firefox tries to load Flash, Flash crashes immediately
# [21:36] <dbuc> ddahl: btw, the end goal is to open a window using an included resource to the add-on with chrome priviledges
# [21:36] <Standard8> khuey: binary file: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/browser/config/mozconfigs/win32/vs2010-mozconfig ?
# [21:37] <edmorley> nthomas: ah sorry now see the assignee change, wasn't trying to take over the bug, just thought it might reduce load for whomever took it over, given the short notice
# [21:37] <Standard8> khuey: oh, you didn't land that
# [21:37] <dbuc> ddahl: cool im reading
# [21:37] <dbuc> thanks for the info
# [21:37] <@khuey> Standard8: yeah that's not me :-)
# [21:37] <ddahl> dbuc: i think that will work for you - Mossop is the king of that stuff:)
# [21:37] <@khuey> Standard8: that's wrong though, of course
# [21:37] <nthomas> edmorley: no worries
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# [21:38] <edmorley> yay for no mid-air
# [21:38] <Mossop> dbuc: Depends what you want, restartless add-ons support chrome.manifest files now, just not all of them (that code is something I did instead)
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# [21:39] <Mossop> dbuc: See https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Extensions/Bootstrapped_extensions#Notes_on_modifying_the_application_user_interface
# [21:40] <dbuc> Mossop: the new builder needs to load an included html page with chrome priviledges
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# [21:40] <dbuc> I am reading the code for WebAppTabs
# [21:40] <dbuc> in your repo
# [21:40] <Mossop> Not sure that code would help much, most of that is for modifying the XUL UI and registerring components
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# [21:41] <dbuc> Mossop: if I swung by (assuming you're in MV) can I get some quick info?
# [21:41] <Mossop> chrome.manifest would allow you to register a chrome URL for some of your code and then load it
# [21:41] <dbuc> awesome
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# [21:43] <Callek> edmorley: to be clear, whats the impact of c-c without MSVC2010 building trunk _at this moment_
# [21:43] <dbuc> Mossop: sweet
# [21:43] <dbuc> can I swing by tomorrow sometime?
# [21:43] <Callek> edmorley: "likely no problems, unless someone lands a MSVC2010-requiring-patch" or "completely a problem, you should turn off your windows builders until you're fixed"
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# [21:44] <@khuey> the former
# [21:44] <edmorley> Callek: believe former but 302 khuey
# [21:44] <dbuc> Mossop: btw, if you can just slap in a chrome.manifest
# [21:44] <dbuc> what would the ref to the file be?
# [21:44] <Ms2ger> And "someone lands a MSVC2010-requiring-patch" is planned for tonight?
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# [21:44] <dbuc> just /data/someFile.html?
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# [21:44] <@khuey> Ms2ger: hmm?
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# [21:45] <Callek> Ms2ger: switch was already according to Bug 682182 (c#8)
# [21:45] <Callek> khuey: see my edmorely Q above
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# [21:46] <Ms2ger> Oh, "String changes made by this patch:" is live?
# [21:47] <@khuey> Callek: see my answer above
# [21:47] <@khuey> Ms2ger: what's landing tonight that requires 2010?
# [21:47] <Ms2ger> Dunno
# [21:47] <Callek> ooooo missed your answer :-)
# [21:47] <Callek> khuey: thanks
# [21:47] <Ms2ger> You don't have anything up your sleeve?
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# [21:48] <@khuey> nope
# [21:48] <Callek> khuey: do you happen to know of "any MSVC2010 requiring patches" in the current pipeline?
# [21:48] <Callek> and by pipeline I do mean, either "waiting for review" or "already reviewed, just waiting to land"
# [21:48] <Callek> (I know you're answer surely won't be all inclusive)
# [21:48] <Callek> (and "don't call me shirley" -- yea)
# [21:48] <@khuey> Callek: bz has something
# [21:48] <@khuey> don't know when it's planned to land
# [21:49] <ftps> is MSVC2010 updated to SP1?
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# [21:56] <jwir3> if I have a frame, and I call aFrame->GetContent()->GetText(), will this give me all the text within the frame (including child frames)?
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# [22:00] <dholbert> jwir3, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/public/nsIContent.h?mark=524-525#522 looks like "no"
# [22:01] <dholbert> jwir3, though I'm not sure (I'm not particularly familiar w/ GetText)
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# [22:01] <jwir3> dholbert: Well, that was the conclusion I came to, too, but I'm not sure of the difference between GetText and GetTextContent
# [22:02] <Ms2ger> GetTextContent() recurses
# [22:02] <jwir3> aha
# [22:02] <jwir3> that's what I needed to know. :)
# [22:02] <Ms2ger> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#dom-node-textcontent :)
# [22:02] <jwir3> thanks, dholbert, Ms2ger
# [22:02] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [22:06] <Kwan> -moz-image-region: auto; shouldn't do anything different than a rect() with the image size, should it?
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# [22:08] <mbrubeck> I've discovered how to fix graphics bugs: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/916419
# [22:08] <nthomas> edmorley: are you aware of any plans to trigger a nightly before the normal time of 3am ?
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# [22:09] <edmorley> nthomas: not as far as I know, especially given the msvc2010 switch
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# [22:09] <mbrubeck> The XUL Fennec nightly was busted last night and I was considering triggering a new one, but held off because of all the other merge excitement going on
# [22:09] <mbrubeck> Filed bug 722808 instead.
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# [22:15] <Ms2ger> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/editor/libeditor/html/nsHTMLEditRules.cpp?mark=3594-3594,3600-3600#3592 \o/
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# [22:15] <jlebar> mbrubeck, "Did you try plugging it in?"
# [22:16] <mbrubeck> Still curious how it did not happen in Chrome. Maybe we should take a look at their source code. :)
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# [22:17] <edmorley> hub: unfortunately orange on your inbound push
# [22:17] <hub> edmorley: uh?
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# [22:17] <hub> :-/
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# [22:19] <edmorley> would you like me to backout?
# [22:20] <philor> it's only 258082 failures...
# [22:20] <jhammel> beh, i can count that on my fingers and toes
# [22:20] <josh> khuey: When your commit goes green am I good to go?
# [22:20] <jhammel> i am also a megapede
# [22:21] <edmorley> backing out
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# [22:23] <ftps> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-central-win32/1328037992/ the first MSVC2010 hourly build came out, already browsing and testing it :D
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# [22:26] <sicking> mrbkap: ping
# [22:26] <sicking> jst: ping
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# [22:28] <ehsan> BenWa: gecko profiler is not even in the first 10 hits
# [22:29] <BenWa> ehsan: second hit on mine
# [22:29] <ehsan> BenWa: can you give me the URL?!
# [22:30] <BenWa> ehsan: https://github.com/bgirard/Gecko-Profiler-Addon/raw/master/geckoprofiler.xpi
# [22:30] <BenWa> self updating
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# [22:30] <ehsan> BenWa: thanks
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# [22:30] <ehsan> BenWa: as a feature request, could you make it not use the horrible thing that is the add-on bar? :)
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# [22:31] <BenWa> ehsan: I have 0 bandwidth in the next 2 months, so no :(
# [22:31] <sfink> BenWa: btw, can you add /lib64 to your search path (I think it's for libc)? I'm on fedora, and I had to fake it out by making a symlink from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu to /lib64
# [22:31] <ehsan> ouch
# [22:31] <BenWa> ehsan: pull request accepted and rewarded
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# [22:32] <BenWa> sfink: Can you give me the full path you need me to search? I may just make it a pref?
# [22:32] <ehsan> BenWa: you forked me, so I can't send you pull requests :P
# [22:32] <BenWa> ehsan: Yes you can!
# [22:32] <BenWa> No such thing as a central repo in git!
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# [22:33] <ehsan> BenWa: not in github (afaik)
# [22:33] <@khuey> josh: I think so
# [22:33] <@khuey> josh: though I see red ...
# [22:33] <sfink> BenWa: /lib64/libc.so.6
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# [22:34] <@khuey> fuck
# [22:34] <@khuey> and bholley is on pto
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# [22:34] <@khuey> we might need to back out the 2010 change
# [22:34] <mbrubeck> :(
# [22:35] <ehsan> khuey: ouch :(
# [22:35] <Ms2ger> ehsan, ping?
# [22:35] <@bz> what broke?
# [22:35] <ehsan> khuey: do you know if it's bholley's fault?
# [22:35] <ehsan> Ms2ger: pong ;)
# [22:35] <edmorley> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8984982&tree=Firefox#error0
# [22:35] <@khuey> bz: we're getting the same mystery profiling run crash bholley was seeing with his patch
# [22:35] <Ms2ger> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/editor/libeditor/html/nsHTMLEditRules.cpp#8971
# [22:35] <@bz> but without his patch, eh?
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# [22:35] <@khuey> bz: yep
# [22:35] <@bz> nice
# [22:35] <@khuey> bholley will be happy
# [22:35] <Ms2ger> ehsan, the elif branch is totally bogus, right?
# [22:35] <@bz> yep
# [22:35] <BenWa> sfink: Done, you can update the extension
# [22:36] <@bz> So this was the one where we landed in CSS parser code
# [22:36] <@khuey> yeah
# [22:36] <@bz> and things pointers were bogus
# [22:36] <@khuey> right
# [22:36] <@bz> hmph
# [22:36] <sfink> BenWa: ok, thanks
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# [22:38] <ehsan> Ms2ger: what are we talking about? :)
# [22:38] <ehsan> ah
# [22:38] <Ms2ger> ehsan, it's removing a div if it has no attributes, or if it has one attribute and that one isn't a style
# [22:38] <Ms2ger> So <div id=foo>, say
# [22:39] <ehsan> lol
# [22:39] <ehsan> yes
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# [22:39] <@khuey> josh: I'm backing out :-(
# [22:39] <@khuey> after that you're good to go
# [22:39] <ehsan> it *is* f*$%^g wrong!
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# [22:39] <Ms2ger> ehsan, well, it is editor... :)
# [22:39] <ehsan> I think we should make a good comic show before fixing all this
# [22:40] <Ms2ger> The Daily Editor Bug?
# [22:40] <Ms2ger> Followed by The Docshell Report, by smaug
# [22:40] <jtcranmer> try touching anything in libmime
# [22:40] <Ms2ger> No
# [22:40] <Ms2ger> No, I won't
# [22:40] <Ms2ger> Never
# [22:40] <jtcranmer> that code makes editor look sane
# [22:41] * Ms2ger run off screaming
# [22:41] <Ms2ger> See, I can't even type anymore
# [22:41] <ehsan> jtcranmer: lies!
# [22:41] <jtcranmer> ehsan: where should I start?
# [22:41] <jtcranmer> 1. uses magic parameters on headers that no one understands
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# [22:41] <ehsan> same thing in editor
# [22:41] <jtcranmer> 2. shoves things into deeply nested structs passed around constantly
# [22:41] * mbrubeck just read ehsan's webapi mail as saying "trusted elves" instead of "trusted events"... Time to go rest my eyes.
# [22:41] <ehsan> (and it's not only params!)
# [22:42] <ehsan> editor doesn't do that
# [22:42] <jtcranmer> 3. uses raw char * manipulation
# [22:42] <ehsan> it just keeps multiple versions of things around and picks which one to use using voodoo
# [22:42] <jtcranmer> 4. is written in C++ using only C
# [22:42] <jtcranmer> (think about that for a moment)
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# [22:42] <ehsan> heh
# [22:42] <ehsan> ok you might have a point
# [22:42] <jtcranmer> 5. Happily defines most of the stuff as void * and requires casts to get anything anywhere else
# [22:42] <Ms2ger> jtcranmer, but it doesn't use nsIDOMNode :)
# [22:43] <ehsan> but the fact remains that only someone who has worked on both can judge this
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# [22:43] <ehsan> which makes Ms2ger a good candidate ;)
# [22:43] <jtcranmer> Ms2ger: it uses nsIParser, is that good enough?
# [22:43] <Ms2ger> ehsan--
# [22:43] <Ms2ger> jtcranmer, hah
# [22:43] <Ms2ger> jtcranmer, hsivonen will fix you up, then :)
# [22:43] <bwinton> I would suggest that someone who has worked on both is in no position to judge anything, due to insanity…
# [22:43] <jtcranmer> actually, let me backtrack
# [22:43] <jtcranmer> it parses HTML itself so it can rewrite URLs
# [22:43] <jtcranmer> very very badly though
# [22:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b506d48ef7aa - Kyle Huey - Back out Bug 563318.
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# [22:44] <@khuey> josh: it's your tree
# [22:44] <@bz> ok
# [22:44] <@bz> so....
# [22:44] <@bz> khuey: can you pastebin that stack?
# [22:44] <@khuey> no
# [22:44] <@khuey> there is no stack
# [22:44] <@khuey> we have to build locally to get that
# [22:44] <@bz> khuey: it _really_ sounds like something is just being miscompiled
# [22:44] <@bz> right
# [22:44] <@khuey> bz: yes, that's my theory as well
# [22:44] <@bz> well, I guess the question is whether you still have that local build
# [22:44] <jtcranmer> Ms2ger: it is honestly easier for me to redo this myself
# [22:44] <@khuey> nope
# [22:45] <@bz> ok
# [22:45] <jtcranmer> from scratch
# [22:45] <@khuey> I'd have to do another
# [22:45] <Ms2ger> Go for it
# [22:45] <jtcranmer> I am
# [22:45] <jtcranmer> writing a new MIME parser
# [22:45] <jtcranmer> in JS
# [22:45] <jtcranmer> or as much as JS as is possible
# [22:45] <Ms2ger> \o/
# [22:45] <Ms2ger> |
# [22:45] <Ms2ger> / \
# [22:45] <gavin> |
# [22:45] * jtcranmer dreads charsets
# [22:46] * @bz aims gun
# [22:46] <Ms2ger> Uh-oh
# [22:46] * Ms2ger runs
# [22:46] <@bz> Ms2ger: was aiming at the target you provided, not you!
# [22:46] <@khuey> bz: I'll do another local build overnight
# [22:46] <jtcranmer> let boundaryRegex = new RegExp('(?:\r\n|[\r\n]|^)--' +
# [22:46] <jtcranmer> contentType['param-boundary'].replace(/[\\^$*+?.()|{}[\]]/, '\\$&') +
# [22:46] <jtcranmer> '(--)?[ \t]*(?:\r\n|[\r\n])');
# [22:47] <jtcranmer> w00t for complicated regex?
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# [22:48] <@khuey> Callek: good news for you, we're back to having the same compiler as you :-P
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# [22:50] <josh> khuey: Sorry to hear you had to back out, I missed the scrollback - what was the problem?
# [22:50] <@khuey> josh: pgo crash
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# [22:51] <edmorley> nthomas: you now have more time :-)
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# [22:51] <nthomas> indeed!
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# [22:54] <josh> khuey: landing now
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# [22:55] <sfink> jtcranmer: um... doesn't that regex have a bug? (I know, proving your point.) Seems like there should be a /g option on the escaping part.
# [22:56] <jtcranmer> sfink: you are correct
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# [22:57] <jtcranmer> there is another bug lurking if you look hard enough though :-P
# [22:57] <jtcranmer> which I really don't want to fix right now
# [22:57] <tmyoung> khuey: Bug 460146 can't land since Bug 497995 affected 'getComputedStyle(element).getPropertyCSSValue("-moz-border-image")' which now returns null--according to the developer of the patch for Bug 460146. As Bug 713643 hasn't landed (or had a patch drafted), do you have any suggestions on what we can do to fix/land the patch for Bug 460146?
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# [22:58] <sfink> jtcranmer: I usually use something like /[\W ]/ for escaping instead of enumerating everything. Maybe adding in a few other characters if they're common and the extra backslashes bother you.
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# [22:59] <jtcranmer> I need an escape-for-regexp :P
# [22:59] <jhammel> jtcranmer: is the other bug that you are using a regex? :P
# [22:59] <@khuey> tmyoung: er, what part of bug 713643 covers that behavior?
# [22:59] <@khuey> tmyoung: it sounds like you need a separate bug here ...
# [22:59] <jhammel> jtcranmer: use python?
# [22:59] <jtcranmer> jhammel: great, tell me when I can use python in core Firefox code
# [23:00] <jhammel> don't we have pyxpcom? ;)
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# [23:00] <@khuey> emscripten cpython?
# [23:00] <tmyoung> khuey: I assumed (or rather the developer for Bug 460146 assumed) that this would be fixed in the followup issues for Bug 497995...Like you, I'm begging to think this another bug...
# [23:00] <azakai> khuey: ? already done
# [23:01] <@khuey> azakai: jtcranmer wants to use python in firefox
# [23:01] <azakai> ah, heh
# [23:01] <@khuey> emscripten is the obvious solution here
# [23:01] <@khuey> azakai: btw, are you working on that full time now?
# [23:01] <azakai> khuey: yeah
# [23:01] <jtcranmer> I don't actually want to use python
# [23:01] <@khuey> cool
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# [23:01] <jtcranmer> it's probably one of the few languages which would be actively worse in this regard
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# [23:02] <tmyoung> khuey: Would this be seen as a regression caused by Bug 497995 or a "feature"?
# [23:02] <@khuey> tmyoung: I don't know enough to answer that
# [23:02] <@khuey> all I did was clean up 497995 and land it
# [23:03] <tmyoung> khuey: Oh
# [23:03] <@khuey> dbaron is the one to ask
# [23:03] <@khuey> and he's gone for two more weeks
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# [23:03] <tmyoung> khuey: ...
# [23:03] <tmyoung> khuey: I see
# [23:04] <@khuey> tmyoung: please file a bug though
# [23:04] <@khuey> CC me and dbaron
# [23:04] <tmyoung> khuey: Okay
# [23:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/15b00ab7f22d - Josh Aas - Bug 90268: Change plugin instance ownership from layout to content. r=roc r=bsmedberg
# [23:04] <tmyoung> khuey: I will
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# [23:04] <hub> edmorley: I will review the bustage and re-land the patch after review by my peers. I had to go home as I didn't take the thinkpad
# [23:05] <hub> edmorley: sorry for the disruption
# [23:05] <tmyoung> khuey: Thank you!
# [23:05] <@khuey> np
# [23:05] <@khuey> not sure how useful I was ;-)
# [23:05] <@bz> josh: \o/
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# [23:06] <@roc> yeehaw!
# [23:06] <@bz> roc: I bet bidi fucks us over
# [23:06] <@bz> roc: in terms of textframe/textrun optimizations
# [23:06] <@roc> there's bidi in that?
# [23:06] <mib_vmf33n> Does anybody know how I can submit a regression bug in firefox 10?
# [23:06] <@bz> roc: so sez the profile
# [23:07] <@roc> stick smontagu on in then
# [23:07] * @bz is not sure why
# [23:07] <@roc> we have some incremental bidi stuff now
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# [23:07] <@roc> we should still be able to avoid textrun reconstruction and at least some of the reflow
# [23:07] <@bz> I bet right now it's managing to blow all the textruns away
# [23:07] <@bz> and then we redo the reflow for all the lines
# [23:07] <@bz> just at a guess
# [23:08] * @bz is not sure _why_ bidi is involved, btw
# [23:08] <@bz> Japanese doesn't normally involve bidi, right?
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# [23:09] <mbrubeck> right.
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# [23:10] <mbrubeck> Unless it's Japanese mixed with Arabic/Persian/Hebrew/etc., of course.
# [23:10] <@roc> maybe Alice slipped some Arabic in the text
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# [23:11] <mbrubeck> mib_vmf33n: You can submit bug reports at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi
# [23:11] <tmyoung> khuey: I don't have next to no information or details on this issue, but I have filed Bug 722862.
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# [23:12] <@bz> roc: could be; I didn't look at the text that carefully
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# [23:13] <@roc> d'oh
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# [23:13] <@roc> now Skype isn't working either
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# [23:14] <@roc> I fear my latest Windows update has hosed Flash and Skype
# [23:14] <mib_vmf33n> I honestly don't have the time right now, or the desire to make a new account, figure out whats actually causing the bug, and then write up a bug report. Would anybody possibly mind taking a quick look at it for me and maybe even submit it themselves?
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# [23:16] <@khuey> mib_vmf33n: what is the bug?
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# [23:19] <Kwan> dao: ping
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# [23:19] <edmorley> hub: no worries :-)
# [23:20] <mib_vmf33n> the bug seems to be caused by repositioning nested SVG elements.
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# [23:20] <mib_vmf33n> I can show you an example if you'd like?
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# [23:21] <@bz> that would be helpful
# [23:21] <@khuey> yes, please
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# [23:21] <dao> Kwan: pong
# [23:23] <Kwan> dao: heya, you still a good pick for reviews for bug 454338? (specifically one-line ones)
# [23:23] <dao> Kwan: yeah
# [23:25] <Kwan> dao: cool, thanks
# [23:27] <mib_vmf33n> 'gps.veritrans.ca/beta' username: 'Demo' password: 'password'
# [23:28] <@khuey> bz: ^
# [23:28] <mib_vmf33n> then click on 'Time Line' at the top and it will slide down.
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# [23:29] <mib_vmf33n> Then on the time line, there's two blue sliders that you can drag, and you can also drag the blue box inbetween them.
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# [23:30] <@bz> OK
# [23:30] <@bz> that dragging bit is not working so well
# [23:30] <smonsarr> hi, am trying to build xulrunner 10.0 for windows, but am getting an unportable app (does not run on another computer) I am using the exact same mozconfig as I used building xulrunner 8 with success can anybody help me ?
# [23:30] <mib_vmf33n> But you'll notice that dragging the first slider causes the right slider to 'twitch'. And dragging the second slider doesn't actually move the slider, only the box
# [23:30] <@bz> I can drag the left slider, but not the right one
# [23:30] <@bz> right
# [23:30] <@bz> I see both effects
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# [23:30] <mib_vmf33n> exactly
# [23:31] <mib_vmf33n> But it used to work in FF 9. There's similar issues with WebKit. But IE9 works correctly.
# [23:31] <@bz> interesting
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# [23:32] <mib_vmf33n> I'll post the code in pastebin... one second
# [23:32] <@bz> are you going to be around for a few mins?
# [23:32] <mib_vmf33n> yeah
# [23:32] <@bz> code would be great
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# [23:35] <mib_vmf33n> http://mibpaste.com/HNcXGi
# [23:35] <@bz> mib_vmf33n: which build are you seeing the issue in, just to check?
# [23:35] <mib_vmf33n> stable latest update "10.0"
# [23:35] <@bz> ok
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# [23:36] <@bz> ok
# [23:36] <@bz> so this regressed literally days after development for 10 started
# [23:37] <@bz> can you pastebin the js?
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# [23:37] <mib_vmf33n> so what I'm doing is positioning that nested SVG id="TimeSlider" with the 'x' and 'width' attributes, as those should cascade down to it's child elements. But obviously that isn't happening sorrectly.
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# [23:37] <mib_vmf33n> yeah one second.
# [23:38] <Swatinem> philor: hi
# [23:38] <@bz> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=b5b082d183d0&tochange=f25928e4847d
# [23:38] <@bz> is when the problem appeared
# [23:38] <@bz> there are definitely SVG changes in there
# [23:39] <@bz> OK
# [23:39] <@bz> how permanent is that demo site?
# [23:39] <@bz> and are you ok with me putting the demo login info into a public bug report?
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# [23:40] <philor> Swatinem: hey
# [23:40] <Swatinem> sorry i ran out on you last time
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# [23:41] <Swatinem> so whats the status of the staging db?
# [23:41] <philor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722400 is in your way right now
# [23:41] <mib_vmf33n> Well, the page will be changing a lot over the next few days, but that time line feature and the bug will be there for a while
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# [23:44] <Swatinem> oh ok…
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# [23:44] <mib_vmf33n> Actually, I'll make sure that site stays there for a while and that 'Demo' account stays active.
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# [23:45] <Swatinem> hm, I don’t have the htaccess password
# [23:45] <@bz> mib_vmf33n: perfect
# [23:45] <@bz> mib_vmf33n: filing bug
# [23:45] <@bz> mib_vmf33n: you don't have a Bugzilla account, right?
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# [23:47] <mib_vmf33n> http://mibpaste.com/0C6AeP
# [23:47] <mib_vmf33n> No I don't
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# [23:47] <mib_vmf33n> That's the JavaScript
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# [23:51] <@bz> mib_vmf33n: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722882
# [23:52] <mib_vmf33n> Awesome! Thank you very much! Would a bug like this get patched as a minor update to the stable channel (FF10), or not until a future release?
# [23:53] <@bz> mib_vmf33n: the latter, typically
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# [23:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1410782d557d - Matt Brubeck - Bug 722808 - Back out c0ae127e29cd (bug 717522) because of nightly build failures
# [23:53] <@bz> mib_vmf33n: there are no scheduled minor updates until Fx11; we'd only do one if there were a critical security problem or a serious "breaks lots of sites" web compat issue
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# [23:54] <@bz> mib_vmf33n: That said, Fx11 is scheduled for March 13.... but first, we need to find and fix the bug. ;)
# [23:54] <mib_vmf33n> Alright, just needed to know. Thanks again!
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