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# Session Start: Wed Feb 01 00:00:00 2012
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# [00:09] <smonsarr> the --enable-jemalloc .mozconfig option does not seem to work when compiling xulrunner 10 with VC8, at least the VC80 redist DLLs have to be added. Have the options changed ?
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# [00:10] * philor clobbers the piss out of Windows on various trees
# [00:11] <philor> 2010, the gift that keeps on giving
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# [00:13] <@khuey> :-D
# [00:13] <@khuey> smonsarr: you have to redistribute the CRT now, even with jemalloc, yes
# [00:14] <@khuey> we may or may not have fixed the xulrunner package manifest, idk
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# [00:14] <smonsarr> khuey: so I need to add WIN32_REDIST_DIR to my mozconfig ?
# [00:14] <@khuey> yes
# [00:15] <smonsarr> as in : mk_add_options WIN32_REDIST_DIR=.... ?
# [00:16] <@khuey> no just 'export WIN32_REDIST_DIR=...'
# [00:16] <@khuey> or set it in your environment
# [00:17] <edmorley> philor: my bad, don't think I clobbered inbound enough
# [00:17] <edmorley> sorry
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# [00:18] <philor> np - the post-backout need for a clobber was what surprised me
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# [00:19] <smonsarr> khuey: ok thx
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# [00:21] <philor> though it shouldn't have surprised me, I guess
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# [00:23] <@khuey> gavin: ping
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# [00:23] <gavin> khuey: pong
# [00:23] <@khuey> gavin: got some time to talk about find stuff?
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# [00:23] <gavin> khuey: sure
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# [00:24] <@khuey> gavin: so, I think that it's better for the front end to throw away these objects and let the gc handle it rather than explicitly reset their state
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# [00:25] <gavin> which objects?
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# [00:25] <@khuey> the typefindahead impls, here
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# [00:29] <gavin> khuey: why?
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# [00:30] <@khuey> gavin: because explicitly clearing the state is error prone, and throwing the object away and getting a new one when we need it ensures we don't have leaks of this type
# [00:31] <gavin> I don't think it's error prone, we already do it almost perfectly
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# [00:31] <gavin> and throwing away and constantly recreating these objects seems like a waste
# [00:32] <@khuey> who says we have to constantly recreate them?
# [00:32] <@khuey> we only need them when we're actually doing a search, no?
# [00:32] <gavin> yes
# [00:33] <@khuey> so we don't need to recreate them all the time
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# [00:33] <@khuey> throw them away when we're done with a search, and create a new one next time we start
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# [00:35] <gavin> that might make sense, but it seems like a lot of extra work to block fixing that leak on
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# [00:56] <lurking_work> what about the scenario where in my case I will often use quicksearch and not finding what I want on a page, as you know the find bar times out and closes, but the search term is still available , and when I go to another page, I can hit F3 and repeat the search with the search term without reopening the quicksearch. How would throwing away the object affect that search ?
# [00:57] <lurking_work> or am I missing the context of what your looking at >?
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# [00:59] <@bz> ms2ger: ping
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# [01:01] <@khuey> lurking_work: the front end will need to remember the search string
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# [01:02] <@khuey> should be doable
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# [01:06] <lurking_work> ok
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# [01:11] <nthomas> ehsan: ping
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# [01:24] <ehsan> nthomas|away: hey
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# [01:24] <nthomas|away> ehsan: oh hai! I wondered if you could elaborate on http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/tree/browse_frm/thread/be7d06905e82157f/5d63e5302401962b?rnum=31&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fmozilla.dev.planning%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fbe7d06905e82157f%3F#doc_e752febf21d65c49
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# [01:28] <josh> philor: How do I mark the orange for the android timeout on my bug 90268 push?
# [01:29] <philor> josh: I recommend "with spittle-flying red-faced anger" - that's how I do it :)
# [01:30] <nthomas|away> ehsan: oh sorry, all the random stuff like xp 64bit is 5.2 or higher
# [01:30] <josh> It seems like that should be blue, not orange
# [01:30] <philor> it seems like it should be hidden, not visible
# [01:30] <philor> and 3 hunks, not 2
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# [01:31] <josh> philor: thanks for marking that
# [01:32] <philor> np - it's easier for me, since I just type "c" in the addressbar and there it is :(
# [01:33] <mbrubeck> Not sure about these tp failures on cpearce's push...
# [01:33] <mbrubeck> Oh wait, one of them is Tpan, not Tp.
# [01:33] <mbrubeck> No again, it's Tp4_nochrome
# [01:34] <philor> yeah, I didn't do a very good job of choosing abbreviations to disambiguate those
# [01:34] <mbrubeck> okay, doesn't look as worrisome now that there are green runs above.
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# [01:35] <philor> that's what I've said about that Linux tp crash a rather large number of times already
# [01:35] <philor> along with "this stack is useless!"
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# [01:35] <mbrubeck> Hello, Waldo....
# [01:35] * Waldo looks
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# [01:36] <Waldo> loading the log, but that looks like the first patch bad
# [01:36] <Waldo> er, last change, I mean
# [01:36] <Waldo> yeah
# [01:36] <Waldo> I'll back out the last change -- looks like a debug-versus-opt header exposure difference
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# [01:40] <Waldo> sigh
# [01:40] <Waldo> pushing in a sec, for reals, after I rebase
# [01:40] <philor> heh
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# [01:41] <philor> you didn't expect people to stop pushing just because the tree is clearly broken, did you?
# [01:41] <Waldo> well, I was good til the last second
# [01:41] <Waldo> and backed out now
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# [01:42] <Waldo> the way we run inbound, actually, it seems nice but not necessary to even look before pushing
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# [01:42] <Waldo> perhaps it should be a requirement
# [01:42] <mbrubeck> For now, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Tree_Rules/Inbound says "Checking tinderbox before pushing is not required, but it is appreciated."
# [01:42] <Waldo> yeah, that
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# [01:43] <Waldo> generally I don't think it's wholly busted to the point where there's worry about a backout coloring because some later landing was faily but hidden by the original fail
# [01:43] <Callek> khuey: o you are, what went wrong?
# [01:44] <mbrubeck> Waldo: Win debug broke in a different way... fixed by the backout, or not? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8989709&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [01:44] <mbrubeck> Waldo: jsinterp.cpp(3385) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before 'case'
# [01:44] <Waldo> hmm
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# [01:44] <@khuey> Callek: pgo profiling run crash
# [01:45] <Callek> o, "fun" :/
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# [01:45] <@khuey> yeah
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# [01:45] <Callek> khuey: sooo, ball is in eng's court, and as soon as that pgo crash is fixed we'll go back to 2010 I presume
# [01:45] <@khuey> yeah
# [01:45] <Callek> and hope that the switch to 2010 is "pretty darn soon"
# [01:45] <Waldo> sigh
# [01:45] <Waldo> sec
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# [01:46] <josh> khuey: what is the bug number for the 2010 issue? I'm curious to see the problem and the fix.
# [01:47] <@khuey> 563318
# [01:47] <Waldo> that's a different issue; the one-line fix is obvious, tho, and should be easily verifiable after I make it on my Windows box and start a quick test compile (doesn't need to finish, just get through jsinterp.cpp), doing that now
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# [01:53] <ehsan> nthomas|away: yeah
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# [01:54] <Waldo> okay, obvious fix tests out, landing it
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# [01:56] <bsmith> In what order are the following events guaranteed to occur in: profile-change-teardown or xpcom-shutdown
# [01:56] <@khuey> https://wiki.mozilla.org/XPCOM_Shutdown
# [01:57] <@khuey> actually, that doesn't have the first in it
# [01:57] <mbrubeck> Waldo: I hate to say it, but you also have a jsreftest failure...
# [01:57] <@khuey> profile change teardown is first
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# [01:58] <Waldo> ...that better be a not-committed test file
# [01:58] <philor> manifest, not test
# [01:58] <philor> manifests, actually
# [01:59] <Waldo> yes
# [01:59] <Waldo> will add those too
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# [01:59] <Waldo> why is it possible to push with unrecognized files :-(
# [01:59] <Waldo> untracked
# [01:59] <bsmith> Would it be correct to say that the background thread that the HTTP cache runs on must be shutdown during profile-change-teardown because the profile must not be accessed after that point and that event is defined as "All async activity must be stopped in this phase"?
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# [02:01] <Waldo> more fixes pushed
# [02:01] <@khuey> that's a bsmedberg question
# [02:02] <Waldo> I wish I could star builds that haven't finished yet :-(
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# [02:03] <bsmith> Thanks
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# [02:35] <edmorley> Waldo: jsreftest orange on your last push still
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# [02:37] <mbrubeck> Let's revert the whole thing and re-land once it's fixed and tested, rather than any more in-place fixing.
# [02:38] <edmorley> I agree
# [02:38] <Waldo> umm
# [02:38] <Waldo> sigh, yes
# [02:38] <Waldo> I wonder what its complaint is now...
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# [02:43] <Waldo> where's that sombrero again?
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# [02:45] <nthomas> khuey: ping
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# [02:48] <@khuey> nthomas: pong
# [02:49] <nthomas> khuey: hi, any idea how long it might take to debug the problem with 2010 & pgo ?
# [02:49] <@khuey> hopefully this week
# [02:49] <nthomas> I'm wondering if I should go ahead and block win2k, xp rtm+sp1 for Nightly updates now, rather than have to coordinate it all
# [02:50] <@khuey> do we know how many people it would affect?
# [02:50] <nthomas> would kinda suck to deprecate people early, but I guess they're gonna have to deal with it sooner or later
# [02:50] <@khuey> yeah
# [02:50] <@khuey> and we're planning on doing it this cycle anyways
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# [02:51] <nthomas> a couple of months out of date but https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668436#c57
# [02:52] <nthomas> I should just deploy after QA gets back to me with a real live check rather than my synthetic ones
# [02:52] <@khuey> if we're only going to block a couple hundred people I say just flip the switch
# [02:52] <nthomas> yeah, ok
# [02:52] <@khuey> real checking would be nice ;-)
# [02:52] <nthomas> I'd forgotten it was so small
# [02:52] <nthomas> I don't trust me either ;-)
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# [02:54] <edmorley> plus at least with pre-emptive blocking of their updates, when they go to manually download the installer/search for why, the builds they get at least for the short term will still actually work and not leave them with a broken browser
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# [03:10] <Bas> Does anyone know if Android C1 timing out is a known issue?
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# [03:11] <mbrubeck> Bas: Yes.
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# [03:11] <mbrubeck> Bas: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=663657
# [03:12] <Bas> mbrubeck: Thanks!
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# [03:14] <Bas> mbrubeck: Just to be 100% sure, aurora migration already happened, right?
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# [03:15] <Callek> Bas: I don't think aurora migrated yet
# [03:15] * Callek is verifying now
# [03:15] <Callek> (hg just being slow)
# [03:16] <Bas> Callek: Oh, thanks :) I thought the migration was on tuesday, I kind of figured it'd happened :)
# [03:16] <Callek> yea it is "on tuesday"
# [03:16] <Callek> and it normally happens much much earlier than "now"
# [03:16] <Bas> Ah, okay :)
# [03:16] <Callek> Bas: confirmed, not yet migrated: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/file/default/browser/config/version.txt
# [03:17] <Callek> akeybl: should know more on the specific timing here, I don't
# [03:17] <Bas> Callek: Thanks! I'll delay my landing my super-risky refactoring then :)
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# [03:17] <Callek> Bas: If by super-risky-refactor is meant for trunk, you can land
# [03:17] <Callek> Bas: trunk should be "clear" for any Gecko 13's now
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# [03:17] <Callek> (e.g. they attempted to switch to MSVC2010 already)
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# [03:19] <Bas> Callek: I guess I'm not sure what is meant by aurora hasn't migrated, then :)
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# [03:20] <Callek> Bas: my statement about aurora hasn't migrated, is that "what was once Gecko 12 is not pushed to aurora yet"
# [03:20] <Callek> Bas: but "Mozilla-Central *is* open for Gecko 13 landings"
# [03:20] <Bas> Callek: Ahah, but it has branched -off- of m-c then?
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# [03:20] <Callek> yes
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# [03:25] <Bas> Callek: Thanks, I learn something new every day :)
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# [03:38] <@bz> so a webidl question
# [03:38] <@bz> what, if anything, should the [[Class]] of interface objects be?
# [03:38] <heycam> bz, the spec should say, let's see
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# [03:39] <heycam> bz, doesn't say anything special, so "Function"
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# [03:40] <@bz> heycam: ok
# [03:41] <@bz> heycam: thanks
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# [03:41] <@bz> I guess I have to hook these up to Function.prototype too, eh?
# [03:41] <heycam> bz, yeah
# [03:41] <Waldo> you mean DOMPrototype isn't the right answer?!?!
# [03:42] <heycam> bz, relatedly I made a recent change that doesn't set [[Class]] at all, so that JS implementations will work. instead I define that Object.prototype.toString is overwritten with a new function that can return "[object Node]" etc.
# [03:42] <heycam> bz, since even proxies can't have custom [[Class]]
# [03:42] <@bz> heycam: that's sorta irrelevant to me for impl purposes
# [03:42] <@bz> heycam: for the moment
# [03:42] <Waldo> I suspect that'll change at some point in es6
# [03:42] <@bz> heycam: since I can in fact have custom [[Class]] in my code
# [03:42] <heycam> bz, sure, as long as Object.prototype.toString returns the right thing
# [03:42] <Waldo> (the proxies not being able to override bit)
# [03:42] <@bz> heycam: but thanks
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# [03:43] <heycam> Waldo, oh, when that happens I'll drop the custom toString thing then
# [03:43] <Waldo> makes sense
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# [03:58] <@bz> khuey: ping
# [03:59] <@bz> or anyone else who knows build stuff
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# [05:05] <dougt> bz: ping?
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# [05:06] <@bz> dougt: ack
# [05:06] * @bz fears this is about UA strings
# [05:06] <dougt> given the noise around bug 671634, do you think i should r+ and verify that the UA matches gerv suggestion... or should I wait on him?
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# [05:06] <@bz> Either one sounds fine
# [05:07] <@bz> At first glance it looked like it matched his suggestion
# [05:07] <@bz> to me
# [05:07] <dougt> yeah, i'll build it and double check
# [05:07] <@bz> sounds good
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# [05:28] <stuart> is there any way to disable cross-site origin checks for iframes (for development) with prefs or anything?
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# [05:30] <@bz> no
# [05:30] <stuart> hmm
# [05:30] <@bz> I mean....
# [05:30] <@bz> you can hack the security checks to always pass
# [05:30] <@bz> but no pref for that
# [05:30] <stuart> there is a pref to disable xpconnect security checks right? could do that and then xpcom my way to victory?
# [05:31] <@bz> would need code changes
# [05:31] <stuart> i just want to get the url of an iframe
# [05:31] <@bz> do you control the iframe?
# [05:31] <stuart> yeah
# [05:31] <stuart> but the content is arbatrary web content
# [05:31] <@bz> ok
# [05:31] <@bz> so you don't control the thing loaded in the iframe
# [05:31] <stuart> right
# [05:31] <@bz> so
# [05:32] <stuart> but this is for a prototype that will liekly move to native code at some point to deal with the iframe issue
# [05:32] <stuart> so if could hack it for now for testing, would be nice
# [05:32] <@bz> for the short term, you may be able to enablePrivilege("UniversalXPConnect")
# [05:32] <@bz> and then try to get the .location
# [05:32] <stuart> ok
# [05:32] <stuart> let me try that
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# [05:33] <heycam> heh, the amount of time I'm spending on this bug is measured in terms of how many times I rebase my patch queue and have to claim a new frame state bit
# [05:33] <@bz> erm
# [05:34] <@bz> which bug?
# [05:34] <heycam> 655877
# [05:35] <@bz> heycam: ah, ok
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# [05:35] <@bz> so...
# [05:36] <@bz> I propose we back out James from inbound
# [05:36] <@bz> objections?
# [05:37] <@bz> or do we just need to clobber android or something?
# [05:38] <philor> bz: please do - I pushed a backout of it probably 20 minutes ago, which is hung at "pushing to..." so I can never close that terminal, but maybe if you push ahead of me it'll die eventually without mangling the pushlog
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# [05:38] <@bz> ok
# [05:38] <philor> or, maybe, I have a lock on the repo, who knows?
# [05:38] <@bz> well, lemme try
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# [05:40] <@bz> philor: pushed
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# [05:40] <philor> yay!
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# [05:40] <philor> I wonder whether that means I can kill mine, or not
# [05:41] <@bz> er, though...
# [05:41] <@bz> I only backed out his first push
# [05:41] <@bz> maybe the real issue is the second one?
# [05:41] <stuart> bz: should iframe.location come back as undefined normally?
# [05:42] <@bz> stuart: yes
# [05:42] <stuart> ok
# [05:42] <@bz> stuart: iframe.contentWindow.location
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# [05:42] <@bz> philor: I'm tempted to reland the first one and back out the second one....
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# [05:42] <@bz> yeah
# [05:43] <@bz> let me do that.
# [05:43] <@bz> man
# [05:43] <@bz> the history here will look nuts. ;)
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# [05:43] <philor> bz: yeah, the first one is just a prereq for the second, so you're sure to burn with first out and second in
# [05:44] <@bz> ok
# [05:44] <@bz> pushed backout of my backout
# [05:44] <@bz> now let me back out the thing that really needs backing out
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# [05:45] <@bz> I shouldn't cancel jobs, right?
# [05:46] <@bz> ok
# [05:46] <@bz> pushed backout of the real broken thing
# [05:46] <jduell> bz: so is inbound ready for new patches, or should we wait a while?
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# [05:48] <@bz> jduell: I think it should be fine to land
# [05:48] <jduell> bz: mmmK, thanks
# [05:48] <@bz> I do stil wonder whether it wanted a clobber
# [05:50] <stuart> hrm
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# [05:50] <stuart> wtf is my profile doing/not doing
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# [06:02] <stuart> bz: enabling UniversalXPConnect privs seems to do some weird thing where it removes my iframe and loads the inner page
# [06:02] <stuart> accessing .location seems to
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# [06:07] <stuart> oh
# [06:07] <stuart> i'm being dumb
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# [06:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e18c7bc2c28e - Mark Finkle - Bug 671634 - Fennec UA changes. Useragent should be different between phones and tablets. r=me sr=bz a=gerv
# [06:11] <dougt> is it impolite to ask for karma?
# [06:11] <@roc> no, dougt++
# [06:14] <stuart> bz_sleep: got it
# [06:16] <@bz_sleep> dougt++ indeed
# [06:16] <@bz_sleep> roc: got a sec?
# [06:16] <mfinkle> dougt--
# [06:16] <mfinkle> someone has to keep the balance
# [06:16] <@bz_sleep> mfinkle--
# [06:17] <mfinkle> lol
# [06:17] * @bz_sleep can't plus dougt, so.....
# [06:17] <philor> conveniently, nothing keeps track of it anymore, so you can do whatever you want
# [06:17] <@roc> bz_sleep: yo
# [06:17] <stuart> bz_sleep: this is great, thanks a lot
# [06:17] <stuart> will make our lives way easier
# [06:18] <@roc> I remember the first karmabot
# [06:18] <@roc> on zephyr
# [06:18] <@roc> for complicated reasons someone managed to create an infinite loop by ++ing the karmabot
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# [06:19] <dougt> philor: it is the thought that matters, not the bot
# [06:20] <dougt> (and my inner voice is thinking... fuck.. really not keeping track?!)
# [06:20] <dougt> roc: heh
# [06:20] <philor> firebot: karma dougt?
# [06:20] <dougt> yeah
# [06:20] <firebot> philor: Sorry, I've no idea what 'karma dougt' might be.
# [06:20] <@bz_sleep> roc: so synth mouse events
# [06:20] <philor> dougt++ never the less
# [06:20] <@bz_sleep> roc: seems like fundamentally we want to keep track of them on the same presshell that did the reflow
# [06:21] <@bz_sleep> roc: or something
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# [06:21] <@bz> mmmm zephyr
# [06:21] <@bz> brings back memories
# [06:21] <@roc> should we combine the refresh driver notifies, or something?
# [06:23] <@roc> I think keeping track of the synthetic mouse move event on the root refresh driver is the right thing, having it move around would be troublesome
# [06:23] <@roc> or the root presshell
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# [06:26] <@bz> ok
# [06:26] <@bz> so combine in what sense?
# [06:26] <@bz> What happens is that right now we get a refresh tick on the child presshell
# [06:26] <@bz> the one the web page is loaded in
# [06:26] <@bz> and we reflow it
# [06:26] <@bz> then we get a refresh tick on the root presshell
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# [06:26] <@bz> we process the synth mousemove, end up targeting it to the child presshell
# [06:26] <@bz> and reflow it again
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# [06:27] <@roc> what if the root presshell was responsible for dispatching refresh ticks to the child presshells
# [06:27] <@roc> during its own refresh tick
# [06:28] <@bz> so the kids could tick independently
# [06:28] <@bz> but if the chrome ticked it would tick all the kids?
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# [06:28] <@bz> or at least all the non-hidden ones?
# [06:28] <@bz> I don't think it should tick background tabs
# [06:28] <@roc> something like that
# [06:29] * @bz thinks
# [06:29] <@roc> basically, we want one wakeup per frame
# [06:29] <@bz> yes
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# [06:29] <@bz> I don't think we get that
# [06:30] <@bz> without more surgery, at least
# [06:30] <@bz> with the above proposal
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# [06:43] <jdm> I am filing *all* the bugs today
# [06:43] <jdm> if only we were on the path to 700000
# [06:43] <jdm> I would totally be the winner
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# [06:54] <jdm> this is true
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# [07:00] <philor> gavin: does "arch: /builds/slave/m-beta-osx-dbg/build/obj-firefox/dist/FirefoxDebug.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox-bin isn't executable" sound familiar from aurora branding, only now merged to beta?
# [07:01] <philor> or am I looking at a pre-reconfig build, when I should be waiting for the next one? yep, I am
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# [07:01] <gavin> which reconfig?
# [07:02] <gavin> beta debug builds are probably FirefoxFirefoxDebug.app now
# [07:02] <catlee-away> sounds like some clobbers are in order
# [07:02] <gavin> though actually I thought that stuff had actually been merged to beta already
# [07:02] <philor> only two? does only release get to be FirefoxFirefoxFirefoxDebug.app?
# [07:03] <philor> it probably got merged to beta10, and then beta11 stomped on it
# [07:03] <philor> "reconfig" would be http://hg.mozilla.org/build/buildbot-configs/pushloghtml
# [07:03] <catlee-away> yeah, FirefoxFirefoxFirefoxFirefox is reserved for ESR
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# [07:04] <gavin> 696436 landed in trunk11, so I guess it's only made it to beta now
# [07:04] <gavin> oh no
# [07:04] <gavin> I also landed it on aurora10
# [07:04] <philor> branding to get away from everything burning was https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/72896fd70ab8
# [07:05] <gavin> yeah branding changes like that require clobbers I think
# [07:06] <gavin> oh yeah I added a comment!
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# [07:06] <gavin> I'm confused
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# [07:10] <kwierso> gavin++ for being awesome
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# [07:11] <philor> mmm, I wonder if espindola's stuff was supposed to include a "turn off leak tests on 10.5 debug"
# [07:12] <philor> and if I could persuade the aurora tbpl tree to load, I could see!
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# [07:16] <philor> nope, apparently not
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# [07:19] <kwierso> philor: works for me?
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# [07:25] <philor> kwierso: yeah, worked for me when I switched to a decent browser, we just suck totally with a flaky connection
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# [07:32] <akeybl> anybody around to take a look at broken windows builds on mozilla-beta 11?
# [07:32] <akeybl> (/cc gavin)
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# [07:34] <gavin> akeybl: philor was just talking about that earlier
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# [07:35] <philor> nope, I was talking about 10.5 debug, hadn't seen Windows
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# [07:35] <gavin> oh
# [07:36] <philor> nsBrowserApp.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol __imp__moz_xmalloc
# [07:36] <gavin> o_O
# [07:36] <philor> which is a clobber, but only with the branding change, not with all the buildbot stuff
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# [07:42] <philor> none of which would affect that
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# [07:49] <kwierso> tests are overrated
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# [08:09] <ewong> kwierso: not really.. found out my supposed innocent looking patch actually regressed :(
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# [08:09] <ewong> and now.. I have no idea how to figure this out..
# [08:09] <kwierso> ewong: see? tests make you feel bad, they should go away!
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# [08:10] <ewong> kwierso: heh.. then how do we find out about regressions before it hits the street?
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# [08:10] <darktrojan> users?
# [08:12] <ewong> darktrojan: heh.. then they'd complain that "Firefox suxxors. Going to Chrome!" ;/
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# [08:13] <darktrojan> they don't already?
# [08:13] <ewong> oh... right..heh
# [08:14] <ewong> darktrojan: btw, thanks for that runtests.py script! saves a lot of typing
# [08:14] <darktrojan> it certainly does
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# [08:18] <ewong> ok. I know there is a regression in a test..(specifically content/base/test/test_bug382871.html) thanks to Unfocused, I know the lines that fails (line #23 and 24).. I think I know the actual line that screws up.. (line 34).. how do I figure out which part of the code it goes to (when running line #34)?
# [08:18] <jdm> ewong: line 34 being xhr.send()?
# [08:18] <ewong> I'm guessing it's in nsXMLHttpRequest.cpp
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# [08:18] <jdm> that's nsXMLHttpRequest::Send
# [08:19] <ewong> jdm ooh ok..
# [08:19] <Unfocused> i think you're over-stating my usefulness there :)
# [08:19] <darktrojan> heh
# [08:19] <ewong> jdm but nsXMLHttpRequest::Send requires a parameter, whereas xhr.send() doesn't
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# [08:20] <ewong> Unfocused: oh no.. your help was very useful in me figuring out where I'm supposed to look
# [08:20] <jdm> ewong: the parameter is optional - it will be null if none is provided
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# [08:25] <ewong> oooh
# [08:27] <ewong> so aBody == Null hrmm...
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# [08:30] <darktrojan> I suppose I should be writing tests too
# [08:30] <darktrojan> fun
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# [08:39] <rniwa> hi does anyone here now if mozilla is implementing dropzone content attribute in near future?
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# [08:39] <philor> huh, did I really not close mozilla-central, or did someone reopen it?
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# [08:42] <philor> and if someone did, please for the love of all that's holy Do. Not. Tell. Me.
# [08:42] <ewong> philor isn't there a log of people changing the status of the tree on tinderbox?
# [08:43] <philor> ewong: no, none whatsoever, just "every single person cc'ed to the bug could have done it"
# [08:43] <philor> the magical mystical treestatus app, on the other hand, will
# [08:43] <ewong> oh... right.
# [08:43] <Unfocused> we could write messages to philor and he wouldn't know who did it
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# [08:45] <Jonathan_> ponyville?
# [08:45] <jdm> rniwa: what is dropzone?
# [08:46] <philor> so, fun: I know I opened four tabs, and picked four admintrees out of autocomplete, and I know what three of them were, but the fourth?
# [08:46] <rniwa> jdm: it's an attribute that makes an element a "drop zone"
# [08:46] <jdm> rniwa: got a link to a spec?
# [08:46] <rniwa> jdm: so that you can receive drop event without having to cancel dragover
# [08:46] <rniwa> jdm: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/dnd.html#the-dropzone-attribute
# [08:46] <rniwa> jdm: the syntax is kinda gross. but it's a very useful feature
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# [08:46] <rniwa> jdm: there's a thread about it on whatwg now
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# [08:47] <jdm> rniwa: well, a bugzilla search for dropzone didn't find anything relevant
# [08:48] <rniwa> jdm: yeah
# [08:48] <rniwa> jdm: maybe I should file a bug about it but I don't know who I should be cc'ing
# [08:49] <jdm> rniwa: if you file a bug in Core: DOM: Core & HTML, it should be seen by the right people
# [08:50] <rniwa> jdm: ok will do.
# [08:50] * darktrojan chuckles
# [08:50] <darktrojan> someone's going to love reviewing this
# [08:51] <SeoZ> anybody faces this issue with mozilla build?
# [08:51] <SeoZ> http://yourpaste.net/10439/
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# [08:55] <jdm> SeoZ: hmm, that's a new one for me
# [08:56] <jdm> on an unrelated note, I do not like the burning smell that is coming from my laptop
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# [08:56] <SeoZ> neither do i
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# [08:56] <jdm> SeoZ: what version of autoconf is /usr/bin/autoconf?
# [08:57] <SeoZ> do i have to use autoconf version 2.13?
# [08:57] <jdm> yes
# [08:57] <SeoZ> oops
# [08:57] <SeoZ> that's why..
# [08:57] <jdm> yep
# [08:57] <jdm> common mistake
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# [08:57] <SeoZ> mine is 2.67-2ubuntu1
# [08:57] <SeoZ> i'm using ubuntu 11.04
# [08:57] <SeoZ> do i have to downgrade it? :(
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# [08:59] <jdm> SeoZ: no, every distribution I know has an autoconf-2.13 package
# [08:59] <SeoZ> oh..
# [08:59] <SeoZ> i can i use that?
# [08:59] <jdm> SeoZ: https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Simple_Firefox_build has all the ubuntu build dependencies
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# [09:00] <SeoZ> jdm: thank you. i'll try.
# [09:01] <darktrojan> how did you get an autoconf that's a different version from the distro?
# [09:01] <rniwa> jdm: filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723008
# [09:02] <SeoZ> darktrojan: are you asking to me?
# [09:02] <darktrojan> yes
# [09:02] <SeoZ> i didn't anything special..
# [09:02] <SeoZ> so it's not ubuntu 11.04's autoconf?
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# [09:02] <darktrojan> I have 11.10 and autoconf is 2.13
# [09:03] <glazou> bonjour !
# [09:03] <SeoZ> oops
# [09:03] <glob> darktrojan, 2.68 is the default autoconf on fedora
# [09:03] <padenot> SeoZ : ubuntu ships an autoconf2.13 package, just install it using you package manager
# [09:03] <darktrojan> salut glazou
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# [09:03] <glazou> this is a great day for BlueGriffon
# [09:03] <SeoZ> padenot: yes i'm trying that according to jdm's link.
# [09:03] <jdm> glazou: congratulations on all the good news about BlueGriffon recently!
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# [09:03] <glazou> if the current metrics are proven stable, BlueGriffon became profitable yesterday
# [09:04] <glazou> thank jdm !
# [09:04] <darktrojan> \o/
# [09:04] <glob> glazou, \o/
# [09:04] <glazou> many years of hard work
# [09:04] <glazou> :-D
# [09:04] <glazou> jdm: I must say I'm happy of the one-click templates add-on
# [09:04] <glazou> trivial to use
# [09:04] <glazou> super useful
# [09:04] <glazou> already a best-seller !
# [09:04] <jdm> nice
# [09:06] <glazou> and I'm working on a hyper-cool CSS 3 Animations editor
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# [09:06] <glazou> the most advanced one on the market
# [09:06] <smontagu> how many are on the market? :-P
# [09:06] <darktrojan> ... only one?
# [09:06] <glazou> 5
# [09:07] <darktrojan> oh
# [09:07] <glazou> including BG
# [09:07] <glazou> so 4
# [09:07] <glazou> the 4 can't edit an animation wherever it comes from
# [09:07] <glazou> they only export CSS
# [09:07] <glazou> they all deal internally with proprietary stuff
# [09:07] <darktrojan> you're so web 3.0
# [09:07] <glazou> no
# [09:08] <glazou> I'm so "working so much I should get a private life back"
# [09:08] <glazou> :)
# [09:08] <darktrojan> heh
# [09:08] * darktrojan wouldn't mind having a private life again
# [09:08] <glazou> we're all in that case here, right ?
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# [09:12] <ewong> private life? what's that?
# [09:12] <SeoZ> jdm: YAY! now it works with autoconf 2.13 but fails with cairo.
# [09:13] <SeoZ> http://yourpaste.net/10440/
# [09:13] <glazou> is there a safe way to detect the user requested the iconfication or raise of a XUL window?
# [09:13] <jdm> well, that's one battle won
# [09:13] <SeoZ> long way to go
# [09:13] <SeoZ> haha
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# [09:13] <jdm> hmm, I haven't heard of cairo-tee
# [09:13] <jdm> SeoZ: is there a ubuntu package for it?
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# [09:14] <Ms2ger> SeoZ, did you apt-get the list on the wiki?
# [09:14] <jdm> hmm, doesn't look like it
# [09:14] <SeoZ> Ms2ger: yes
# [09:14] <SeoZ> sudo apt-get install mercurial libasound2-dev libcurl4-openssl-dev libnotify-dev libxt-dev libiw-dev mesa-common-dev autoconf2.13 yasm
# [09:14] <Ms2ger> And sudo apt-get build-dep firefox?
# [09:15] <SeoZ> sudo apt-get build-dep firefox
# [09:15] <SeoZ> yes
# [09:15] <Ms2ger> Hmm
# [09:15] <SeoZ> it says nothing to install.
# [09:15] <Ms2ger> All I can say is that it works for me, sorry :)
# [09:15] <SeoZ> hehe thanks anyway :)
# [09:15] <SeoZ> anyhow it's time to sleep.
# [09:15] <SeoZ> i'll visit mozilla tomorrow
# [09:15] <Ms2ger> If you find the right package, please update the wiki
# [09:16] <SeoZ> Ms2ger: sure :)
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# [09:16] <SeoZ> it says i'm missing cairo-tee but i can't find that package.
# [09:18] <SeoZ> thanks for the help guys.
# [09:18] <SeoZ> i'll continue that tomorrow
# [09:18] <SeoZ> cya
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# [09:20] <glazou> LOL, MDN tells me "You do not have permissions to view this page - please try logging in." and still shows content
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# [09:25] <glob> glazou, urgh. sounds like fallout from the browserid conversion
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# [09:27] <protz> glazou: try reloading a couple times, then logging in with browserid from http://developer.mozilla.org (which doesn't seem to be part of dekiwiki), the going to some page, reloading again a couple times...
# [09:28] <darktrojan> try slapping it with a large trout, too
# [09:29] <glazou> large trouts are so helpful in software
# [09:29] <glazou> I guess that's why Microsoft started in washington state :-D
# [09:29] <ewong> I thought it was a herring
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# [09:47] <NeilAway> Ms2ger--
# [09:48] <NeilAway> for something which I overlooked earlier
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# [09:59] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, you're becoming repetitive
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# [10:04] <Ms2ger> Hrm
# [10:04] <Ms2ger> What was the CSS feature we really needed to unprefix last cycle?
# [10:05] <philor> -moz-border-image
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# [10:06] <philor> or at least that's "a" if not "the"
# [10:06] <Ms2ger> bz_sleep, 9-hour pong
# [10:07] <Ms2ger> philor, yes, that's the one I meant
# [10:07] <smontagu> whee! Unicode 6.1 released
# [10:07] <Ms2ger> Okay, who *didn't* expect a thread called "The End" to get out of hand?
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# [10:07] <glob> Ms2ger, lol
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# [10:07] <Ms2ger> Hi glob, bye glob
# [10:08] <Ms2ger> "with spittle-flying red-faced anger"
# [10:08] <Ms2ger> :D
# [10:12] <philor> yeah, he might have meant "as what bug do I" rather than "how do I", not sure
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# [10:19] <ewong> Ms2ger: was there a "The Beginning" part of this "The End" thread?
# [10:19] <Ms2ger> There's been too many threads for my little mind
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# [10:32] <@roc> philor: why don't you just implement it?
# [10:33] <philor> roc: you haven't reviewed a lot of my patches, have you? they mostly involve removing a stray character. or whitespace.
# [10:33] <philor> though I did implement Copy Link Text, waited a year for ui-r, got it, and got backed out the next day
# [10:34] <smontagu> philor: so this is a great opportunity to go to the next level
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# [10:34] <philor> not that I'm bitter about it still, mind you
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# [10:34] <@roc> philor going to the next level could be a little scary
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# [10:43] <glazou> NeilAway: that should capture change of fullscreen mode too, right ?
# [10:44] <froydnj> edmorley: what did 974b0efab5c8 get landed for? what's the M-oth orange you refer to in the commit?
# [10:45] <espindola> gah, anyone knows an eta for inbound to open?
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# [10:50] <edmorley> froydnj: it reverted https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=d74a924a149b due to the orange there
# [10:51] <edmorley> froydnj: namely https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8983003&tree=Firefox
# [10:51] <edmorley> + same on other platforms
# [10:51] <glazou> NeilAway: it does
# [10:52] <glazou> so I still need to check if the window is minified or not
# [10:52] <edmorley> froydnj: by M-oth I was referring to Mochitest other, not sure if that was clear
# [10:53] <@roc> hmm, TEST_PATH isn't running my mochitest-chrome tests
# [10:54] <froydnj> edmorley: ah, still learning the terms. thanks!
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# [10:55] <froydnj> edmorley: akeybl pinged me about that yesterday; /wind 6
# [10:56] <froydnj> edmorley: I assume the backout should be fixed to not regress mochitest?
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# [11:00] <froydnj> edmorley: ok, thanks
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# [11:04] <edmorley> hi bholley :-)
# [11:04] <edmorley> bit early for you surely?
# [11:04] <bholley> hi edmorley!
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# [11:04] <edmorley> ahhh
# [11:04] <@roc> oh
# [11:04] <@roc> how long are you in france for?
# [11:05] <bholley> roc: just 2 weeks
# [11:05] <@roc> oh well
# [11:05] <@roc> gotta stay one step ahead of the authorities I suppose
# [11:05] <bholley> roc: dom bindings meeting last week, and I'm giving at talk at FOSDEM this weekend
# [11:05] <bholley> roc: this one is all business ;-)
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# [11:06] <gcp> doesn't look very professional :P
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# [11:10] <taras> gcp: you gonna come visit?
# [11:10] <gcp> taras: prolly tomorrow or friday. i have a meeting today so I dont want to be on the road
# [11:10] <no_gravity> Hello! What does the "use secure authentification" in thunderbirds SMTP settings mean? Is it neccessary when "connection security" is set to starttls?
# [11:10] <gcp> I saw you moved to another office
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# [11:11] <gcp> no_gravity: depends on your SMTP server. if you are using TLS you usually won't use secure authentication.
# [11:11] <taras> gcp: yup, this one has heating
# [11:11] <Standard8> no_gravity: that's an old version of TB you've got there, 3.1?
# [11:11] <taras> useful in -10C
# [11:11] <gcp> taras: O...k....
# [11:11] <no_gravity> gcp: so i leave it turned off?
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# [11:12] <no_gravity> Standard8: help says "icedove 3.0.11". it came with debians current version.
# [11:12] <Standard8> ouch really
# [11:13] <Standard8> :-(
# [11:13] <Standard8> we don't even support 3.0.x any more
# [11:13] <gcp> no_gravity: its safe to try without and enable it if it failed
# [11:13] <philor> we don't even remember what it's based on to backport security fixes there
# [11:14] <Standard8> no_gravity: http://packages.debian.org/sid/icedove implies there is a newer version available
# [11:14] <no_gravity> gcp: it works without. i just asked to make sure my password is not transmitted unencrypted through the air. since im working from a hotel today.
# [11:14] <no_gravity> Standard8: hmm.. i see a long page with text on that url. how does it imply that?
# [11:14] <gcp> no_gravity: TLS will already encrypt the collection. But see what Standard8 says about upgrading.
# [11:15] * philor calls it a day, or two
# [11:15] <gcp> no_gravity: it lists icedove 8.0-2 for current debian stable
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# [11:15] <darktrojan> it's a day!
# [11:16] <gcp> no_gravity: I think you are on the *previous* debian stable
# [11:16] <Standard8> no_gravity: actually, that's unstable
# [11:16] <Standard8> http://packages.debian.org/stable/mail/icedove lists stable :-(
# [11:16] <gcp> ok, ignore what I said then :P
# [11:16] <no_gravity> gcp: its debian 6. i installed it just a few days ago and it was the default choice.
# [11:16] <Standard8> and that says 3.0.11
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# [11:17] <no_gravity> well, if starttls makes sure everything is encrypted then im fine.
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# [11:17] <Standard8> ouch, iceweasel is only 3.5.16
# [11:17] <darktrojan> :(
# [11:18] <no_gravity> Is it the same with ssl/tls? because one of my mail servers has that setting.
# [11:18] <darktrojan> that's like having IE7
# [11:18] <glandium> Standard8: in debian stable
# [11:18] <Standard8> glandium: but isn't that what most users get?
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# [11:19] <glandium> Standard8: unfortunately, yes, though a lot are now using the backports
# [11:19] <no_gravity> Standard8: i went to debian.org and there was a green thing on the top of the page suggesting to download 6.0. so i think most people get it.
# [11:19] <Standard8> no_gravity: yeah, you seem to be on the latest
# [11:19] <Standard8> (that's available for debian)
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# [11:20] <glandium> no_gravity: http://mozilla.debian.net will get you a newer iceweasel and icedove, though icedove there is outdated
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# [11:21] <glandium> iirc, it's 5.0
# [11:21] <no_gravity> what would be the benefit of updating to the latest thunderbird?
# [11:22] <Standard8> a clearer smtp settings dialog ;-)
# [11:22] <no_gravity> :)
# [11:22] <no_gravity> but for now - "SSL/TLS" in combination with no secure authentification is also ok, right?
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# [11:23] <Standard8> if it works, then you should be fine
# [11:24] <no_gravity> ok. thanks a lot for your help!
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# [11:29] <gcp> does TB10 reindex everything?
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# [11:31] <Standard8> err, yes I think it might do
# [11:31] <Standard8> but you should get better performance from gloda iirc
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# [11:34] <no_gravity> By the way, irc traffic always goes unencrypted over the air, right?
# [11:34] <darktrojan> except when it's ssl irc
# [11:34] <darktrojan> which isn't common
# [11:35] <no_gravity> darktrojan: how would you connect to irc.mozilla.org over "ssl irc"?
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# [11:35] <darktrojan> I'm not sure that the server supports it
# [11:36] <gcp> of course it does
# [11:36] <darktrojan> that's what I thought
# [11:36] <Unfocused> configure your client to connect using ssl over port 6697
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# [11:36] * darktrojan never tried
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# [11:37] <no_gravity> "man irssi | grep ssl" comes back empty
# [11:37] <jdm> hmm
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# [11:37] <jdm> the only way I can commit myself to this project further is to write a public blog post about it
# [11:37] <jdm> I'll be too ashamed to fail if failure looks imminent
# [11:37] <jdm> so I won't fail
# [11:38] <KaiRo> no idea about issi, but every graphical client I ever tired has a SSL option when connecting and a port option as well, and I'm using those
# [11:38] <KaiRo> s/issi/irssi/
# [11:38] <Unfocused> irssi needs ssl support explicitly added at compile-time, and many packages don't do that :\
# [11:38] * Standard8 is connected via ssl atm
# [11:38] <KaiRo> Unfocused: bah
# [11:39] <darktrojan> know offhand how to do that in xchat KaiRo ?
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# [11:39] * KaiRo is also connected via ssl - we have some special channels on here that only work when you're on ssl
# [11:39] <Unfocused> i'm never on irc without ssl :)
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# [11:41] <KaiRo> darktrojan: on xchat, you should add a new "network" anyhow for mozilla.org, and there you have an option to "use SSL for all servers in theis network" and you add irc.mozilla.org/6697 as a server
# [11:42] * KaiRo also has nothing to hide on here in general, but sometimes is communicating stuff that is only for a small audience, i.e. "internal" to some specific group
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# [11:42] <darktrojan> slashdot spies
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# [11:43] <Ms2ger> ewong|afk, ewong|away, ewong|sleep, khuey is in Florida, I guess
# [11:43] <Unfocused> i'm in ur IRCs, stealing ur seekrits
# [11:43] <darktrojan_> bah, xchat didn't save the port when I set it
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# [11:45] <KaiRo> darktrojan: it does save it when you add a new network and set it there, as I managed to do it that way
# [11:47] <darktrojan> it was just the list widget screwing up 'sall
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# [12:04] <edmorley> about to push?
# [12:04] <Ms2ger> Yep
# [12:05] <edmorley> sorry! :-)
# [12:05] * Ms2ger blames talos
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# [12:07] <Ms2ger> Alright, pushed
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# [12:08] <darktrojan> I'm guessing no_gravity's ssl doesn't work
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# [12:10] * @smaug doesn't like the 1st day of each month.
# [12:10] <Ms2ger> Why's that?
# [12:10] <@khuey> mailing list reminder day!
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# [12:10] <@smaug> I need to take care of some bureaucracy , because I'm a contractor
# [12:11] <@smaug> like, pay taxes
# [12:11] <Ms2ger> Ah
# [12:11] <darktrojan> ew tax
# [12:11] * Ms2ger doesn't pay taxes
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# [12:11] <@smaug> :)
# [12:11] <@smaug> Ms2ger: perhaps I could also just forget
# [12:12] <Ms2ger> Or become a full-time student :)
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# [12:12] <@smaug> oh, that sounds scary
# [12:12] <@smaug> I was a full-time student last time early 2003
# [12:13] <Ms2ger> bz--
# [12:13] <Ms2ger> Introducing tabs
# [12:13] <@khuey> if that's stuff from the dom bindings work week it's probably jst fault
# [12:13] <Ms2ger> FinishProtoCreation
# [12:13] <Ms2ger> But sure
# [12:13] <Ms2ger> jst--
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# [12:20] <Kwan> If there any reason an upgrade to fx 10 would de-associate Firefox from its pinned icon in Win7?
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# [12:26] <KaiRo> Ms2ger: since we added tabs in the browser windows, it was only a question of time when they rule the world :p
# [12:26] * KaiRo guesses we should rename either the character or the browser feature ;-)
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# [12:27] <Standard8> ls
# [12:27] * jdm -> bed
# [12:27] <Standard8> oops wrong window
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# [12:27] * KaiRo wonders if he should output a list of renadom files to satisfy Standard8's command
# [12:28] * KaiRo can't even type "random" right apparently
# [12:28] <Standard8> well a list of renadom spellings might be interesting :-P
# [12:28] <Unfocused> .
# [12:28] <Unfocused> ..
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# [12:30] <KaiRo> at least "renadom" has a nice sound to it - most of my other typos make it harder to speak the words
# [12:30] <NeilAway> glazou: sorry, was afw
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# [12:34] <reuben> wow
# [12:34] <glazou> NeilAway: np
# [12:34] <reuben> dxr is so fast now
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# [12:46] <@smaug> reuben: does it do something useful already ;)
# [12:46] <reuben> heresy
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# [12:47] <edmorley> smaug++
# [12:48] <edmorley> Ms2ger: clobber clobber clobber I presume?
# [12:49] <reuben> smaug, finding references, implementations and parent types is considerably slower on MXR
# [12:49] <@smaug> last time I tried to find implementations, it failed badly
# [12:50] <@smaug> and missing links to blame/annotate is enough to make it reasonably useless for me, unfortunately
# [12:51] <reuben> hmm, apparently in the process of making it fast everything else was broken
# [12:52] <Ms2ger> edmorley, you tell me
# [12:52] * @smaug did suggest making cycle collector really fast by making it do nothing ;)
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# [12:52] <edmorley> Ms2ger: I've just clobbered all win m-c
# [12:52] * @khuey does the look of disapproval thing
# [12:52] <Ms2ger> Ta
# [12:53] <Standard8> whoa, loads of Mutex, ReentrantMonitor and other types of leaks
# [12:53] <edmorley> Ms2ger: as philor said last night: 2010, the gift that keeps on giving
# [12:53] <Ms2ger> \o/
# [12:53] <Ms2ger> (I saw that)
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# [12:53] <edmorley> ah sorry I thought you had bid us goodnight by that point
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# [12:56] <Ms2ger> I had
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# [13:00] <froydnj> can you push an mq set of patches to try without using push -f ?
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# [13:01] <froydnj> push --mq whines at me that I don't have a queue repository, which seems odd
# [13:01] <@khuey> no
# [13:01] <@khuey> that's the point of push -f
# [13:01] <froydnj> that's pretty lame
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# [13:01] <@khuey> er, why?
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# [13:01] <froydnj> because I have a bunch of garbage branches that I don't want pushed to try
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# [13:02] <Ms2ger> push --mq does push your queue repository, so it makes an awful lot of sense to whine like that
# [13:02] <froydnj> but hg qinit tells me I already have one
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# [13:03] <Unfocused> you can have a patch queue that's not a repository (that's the default)
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# [13:03] <Unfocused> hg qinit -c to make it a repo
# [13:04] <Unfocused> but... push --mq isn't what you want. it pushes the repository that holds your patch queue
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# [13:04] <froydnj> ...
# [13:05] <Unfocused> (as opposed to pushing applied patches to the remoe repository that your working directory is based on)
# [13:05] <Standard8> huh
# [13:05] <Ms2ger> Anyway, hg push -f tip
# [13:05] <Ms2ger> Standard8, hmm?
# [13:06] <froydnj> guess I will just go create a clean clone to work around lameness, then
# [13:06] <Ms2ger> froydnj, hg push -f tip
# [13:06] <Ms2ger> Or -f -r tip
# [13:06] <froydnj> Ms2ger: I don't want to use push -f, see above
# [13:06] <Standard8> Ms2ger: if I look at the debug xpcshell logs of https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=060de47a1822 I see lots of leaks. However, if I look at the logs of https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=2fa163bb05d7 I don't
# [13:07] <Ms2ger> froydnj, then qfin, whatever
# [13:07] <peterv> bustage on inbound is from https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0e6b1dfaa99c
# [13:07] <Standard8> leaks along the lines of
# [13:07] <Standard8> 34 Mutex 24 24 64 1 ( 32.25 +/- 18.40) 0 0 ( 0.00 +/- 0.00)
# [13:07] <Standard8> 50 ReentrantMonitor 32 32 15 1 ( 6.38 +/- 3.31) 0 0 ( 0.00 +/- 0.00)
# [13:07] <Ms2ger> Oh, boo
# [13:08] <Ms2ger> I knew I shouldn't have r+d it
# [13:08] <peterv> content/canvas/test/crossorigin/test_video_crossorigin.html needs an updated SECURITY_ERR
# [13:09] <froydnj> Ms2ger: but then I can't edit the patch series sanely if it needs further tweaks
# [13:09] <Ms2ger> I don't know what you want
# [13:09] <Ms2ger> If you just want to push the patches, push that?
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# [13:10] <Ms2ger> Standard8, uh, that's interesting
# [13:11] <Standard8> Ms2ger: I guess edmorley might have had a bad merge
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# [13:11] <Ms2ger> It's fun that they're green
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# [13:11] <Standard8> its because not all tests don't leak
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# [13:11] <Ms2ger> How many negatives do you have there? :)
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# [13:12] <Standard8> heh
# [13:12] <Standard8> if we had leak-free xpcshell tests, we could turn something on to detect new leaks
# [13:12] <Ms2ger> Oh, expected leaks?
# [13:12] <Standard8> unfixed leaks
# [13:13] <Ms2ger> That
# [13:13] <edmorley> Standard8: bad merge? (sorry on a call)
# [13:13] <edmorley> ( ..., so might have missed something obvious)
# [13:13] <Standard8> edmorley: not sure yet
# [13:13] <Standard8> if I look at the debug xpcshell logs of https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=060de47a1822 I see lots of leaks. However, if I look at the logs of https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=2fa163bb05d7 I don't
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# [13:13] <Standard8> edmorley: ^^^ thats what I said earlier
# [13:14] <Standard8> oh
# [13:14] <Standard8> more fun
# [13:14] <Standard8> this isn't on aurora
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# [13:14] <Standard8> oh actually
# [13:14] <pedro> guys, are the red lines in https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/map normal?
# [13:14] <edmorley> Standard8: the cset before had busted it
# [13:14] <Standard8> that's expected seeing as the aurora merge hasn't been done yet
# [13:14] <Standard8> edmorley: on inbound or trunk?
# [13:14] <edmorley> Standard8: trunk, the merge was fine
# [13:15] <Standard8> damn
# [13:15] <Standard8> I looked at that
# [13:15] <Standard8> grrr
# [13:16] <Standard8> actually its before that then
# [13:16] <Standard8> I must have picked an opt log
# [13:17] <Ms2ger> pedro, I don't see red lines
# [13:17] <Standard8> ok, got it
# [13:18] <Standard8> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=89bb79343f73
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# [13:18] <Standard8> that's smaug
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# [13:18] <Standard8> yep
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# [13:20] <@smaug> Standard8: ?
# [13:20] <pedro> Ms2ger: "reference to undefined name 'syntax' Exception of type 'MindTouch.Deki.Script.Runtime.DekiScriptUndefinedNameException' was thrown. (click for details)" <- you don't see lines like there where the code should be?
# [13:20] <reuben> pedro, MDN is having issues
# [13:21] <Ms2ger> I don't
# [13:21] <Ms2ger> But that's the same old bug, I guess
# [13:21] <reuben> o
# [13:21] <Standard8> smaug: if you look at the xpcshell-test debug logs on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=89bb79343f73 you'll see there's leaks of Mutex, ReentrantMonitor, nsTArray_base and a couple of others on most of the xpcshell-tests
# [13:21] <reuben> pedro, shift+reload
# [13:21] <pedro> http://is.gd/GvLq94 <- screenshot here
# [13:22] <pedro> reuben: still
# [13:22] <pedro> weird
# [13:22] <reuben> hm, clearing the cache fixed it for me
# [13:23] <pedro> guess it doesn't like me
# [13:23] <Standard8> smaug: I've a feeling that landing also caused a perma-orange in the Thunderbird xpcshell-tests, but I need to double check the regression date
# [13:23] <Ms2ger> It's a server issue
# [13:24] <@smaug> Standard8: you mean those leaks are in TB xpcshell tests?
# [13:25] <Standard8> smaug: those leaks are in the TB tests as well, but I also think there was an additional test failure caused
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# [13:27] <@smaug> Standard8: still trying to find a log which shows the leak
# [13:27] <Standard8> smaug: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8948970&tree=Firefox
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# [13:28] <@smaug> so why doesn't that cause orange?
# [13:29] <Standard8> because we don't have orange-causing flags set for it
# [13:29] <Standard8> err
# [13:29] <@smaug> insane
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# [13:29] <Standard8> we've never (afaik) got to the stage where all xpcshell-tests don't leak
# [13:30] <Standard8> so we've never got around to turning on the mechanism to make sure we don't leak
# [13:30] <Standard8> (i.e. turning on the mechanism to make us go orange)
# [13:30] <Standard8> though I've just had an idea abou tthat
# [13:30] <@smaug> ok, I'll look at the problem later today
# [13:31] <@smaug> If I can reproduce it
# [13:31] <Standard8> I can repro it easily here
# [13:31] <Standard8> that's how I found it
# [13:32] <Standard8> I'll file a bug
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# [13:48] <no_gravity> Hello! Lately I often have problems with Thunderbird. When it tries to connect to my imap server it just "gives up" without any warning or whatever and pretends there are no now messages. Or when i click on a message, it displays it as if it was empty. Any idea why?
# [13:49] <Standard8> no_gravity: you generally want to ask Thunderbird specific things in #thunderbird
# [13:49] <no_gravity> Standard8: ok
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# [13:54] <Ms2ger> Hi ehsan, ready for my bogus editor snippet for today? :)
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# [13:55] <Ms2ger> ehsan, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/editor/libeditor/html/nsHTMLEditor.cpp?mark=4350-4350,4365-4365#4344
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# [13:55] <Standard8> smaug: bug 723064
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# [13:57] <Standard8> wow, and I may have just got us a draft patch for getting orange when these tests leak
# [13:57] <Ms2ger> \o/
# [13:58] <edmorley> \o/ inbound orange
# [13:59] <Standard8> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471055
# [13:59] <Standard8> and you can override it with leak=expected (or something like that) in the xpcshell.ini
# [13:59] <Ms2ger> edmorley, oh, peterv claimed it was 0e6b1dfaa99c
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# [14:00] <edmorley> yeah concur
# [14:01] <Standard8> what do we use for expected fail? test-expected-fail
# [14:01] <Ms2ger> -KNOWN-
# [14:01] <Standard8> ah
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# [14:02] <edmorley> Ms2ger: oh yeah see that in the scrollback now, backing out
# [14:03] <Ms2ger> edmorley, you were on a call? :)
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# [14:04] <edmorley> yeah, boo to non mozilla work
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# [14:05] <Ms2ger> Want a Mozilla job? :)
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# [14:06] <edmorley> Ms2ger: :-)
# [14:06] <edmorley> hi mak
# [14:06] <Ms2ger> Do I hear a yes? :)
# [14:06] <mak> edmorley: hi!
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# [14:07] <Ms2ger> mak, I'm trying to get edmorley hired, what do you think? :)
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# [14:12] <mak> Ms2ger: you have my vouche
# [14:15] <Ms2ger> Alright, how many vouchers do I need for a full-time? :)
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# [14:17] <Ms2ger> Aha, edmorleys_agent
# [14:17] <Ms2ger> Good to see you here
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# [14:17] <Unfocused> some would say he's already "full time"
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# [14:20] <Ms2ger> How about khuey?
# [14:20] <@khuey> hmm
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# [14:20] * @khuey missed whatever is going on
# [14:20] <Ms2ger> I'm trying to bully edmorley into getting a job at Mozilla
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# [14:20] <@khuey> my understanding is that that's being worked on
# [14:21] <Ms2ger> \o/
# [14:21] <@khuey> beyond that I can't comment
# [14:21] <@khuey> mostly due to ignorance
# [14:21] * cers smells a cover-up
# [14:22] <edmorley> ha
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# [14:23] <edmorley> Ms2ger: so when are you getting a job at Mozilla then...? ;-)
# [14:23] <mak> I would hire edmorley to look after my cat, but I suppose working for Mozilla may be more satisfying :D
# [14:23] <mak> oops, I meant my catS
# [14:23] <Ms2ger> edmorley, once twenty different people approach me about it... Almost there ;)
# [14:24] <@khuey> bz_sleep: ping
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# [14:25] <Unfocused> Ms2ger: so, when are you getting a job at mozilla?
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# [14:25] <Ms2ger> Unfocused, see above
# [14:25] <Unfocused> yea, i'm increasing the count
# [14:25] <Unfocused> :P
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# [14:25] <cers> Ms2ger: does "people" have to be mozilla employees?
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# [14:26] <Ms2ger> Unfocused, dammit, now I'll have to actually start that list :)
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# [14:26] <mak> Ms2ger: so, when are you getting a job at mozilla?
# [14:27] <mak> the count goes up, you're about there
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# [14:28] <Ms2ger> Speaking of which, I guess I should reply to that internship email at some point
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# [14:29] <SeoZ> anybody knows how to fix mozilla build issue?
# [14:29] <SeoZ> http://yourpaste.net/10440/
# [14:29] <SeoZ> cairo-tee is not found
# [14:29] <SeoZ> but i can't find the package.
# [14:30] <Ms2ger> khuey?
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# [14:31] <@khuey> what distro?
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# [14:32] <Ms2ger> Ubuntu, iirc
# [14:33] <@khuey> are you trying to use system cairo?
# [14:33] <@khuey> I don't think Ubuntu's system cairo is compiled with --enable-tee
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# [14:35] <@khuey> SeoZ: ^?
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# [14:37] <SeoZ> khuey: ubuntu 11.04
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# [14:38] <SeoZ> i have no idea with cairo :(
# [14:38] <@khuey> SeoZ: and are you building with --enable-system-cairo?
# [14:38] <SeoZ> no i didn't type that.
# [14:38] <@khuey> can you pastebin your mozconfig?
# [14:38] <Ms2ger> philor|away, heh, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694772#c578
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# [14:39] <SeoZ> khuey: http://yourpaste.net/10441/
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# [14:39] <SeoZ> oh here it is!
# [14:40] <SeoZ> on the last line: ac_add_options --enable-system-cairo
# [14:40] <Ms2ger> Try removing it, then :)
# [14:40] <@khuey> yeah
# [14:40] <SeoZ> yay
# [14:41] <SeoZ> khuey: it's working!
# [14:41] <SeoZ> thanks.
# [14:41] <SeoZ> is that ubuntu issue?
# [14:41] <SeoZ> ubuntu users have to remove that line to compile mozilla?
# [14:41] <Ms2ger> I'm not sure how it got there
# [14:42] <Ms2ger> Usually, the less custom options in your mozconfig, the better you'll be off
# [14:42] <SeoZ> Ms2ger: yes now i understand.
# [14:42] <SeoZ> thanks so much.
# [14:42] <Ms2ger> Np
# [14:42] <SeoZ> it builds now.
# [14:43] <@khuey> SeoZ: it's an Ubuntu problem yes
# [14:43] <@khuey> using system libraries is tricky at best
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# [14:44] <@khuey> ah disassembled PGO builds
# [14:44] <@khuey> how I've missed you
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# [14:45] <AutomatedTester> khuey: its MFBT somewhere in the world...
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# [14:46] <Ms2ger> AutomatedTester, yeah, in Unfocused's head :)
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# [14:48] <Unfocused> \o/
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# [14:48] <Unfocused> (i'm not as think as you drunk i am)
# [14:48] <Ms2ger> :)
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# [14:52] <@khuey> mak: :-P
# [14:52] <@khuey> why won't you do my work for me?
# [14:52] <mak> khuey: cause I'm not nice :)
# [14:52] <mak> but good try
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# [14:55] <Ms2ger> khuey, maybe if you look after his cats...
# [14:55] <mak> that's a good idea
# [14:55] <catlee> anybody know why win32 beta is busted?
# [14:55] <Standard8> catlee: yes
# [14:55] <Ms2ger> catlee, 2010
# [14:55] <Ms2ger> I bet
# [14:55] <Standard8> nope
# [14:56] <catlee> we haven't switched anything over yet
# [14:56] <Standard8> just finding the bug
# [14:56] * @khuey grumbles
# [14:56] <catlee> xpcomglue.lib(nsStringAPI.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol __imp__moz_xrealloc
# [14:56] <catlee> firefox.exe : fatal error LNK1120: 3 unresolved externals
# [14:56] <@khuey> this 2010 thing looks a lot like a compiler bug
# [14:56] <Standard8> yep
# [14:56] <Standard8> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719531
# [14:56] <@khuey> damn you microsoft
# [14:56] <Ms2ger> khuey, but 2010 doesn't have bugs!
# [14:56] <Standard8> you want jlebar
# [14:56] <catlee> have we tried a clobber?
# [14:57] <Standard8> catlee: TB builds have the issue, and we certainly had some clobbers in there
# [14:57] <Standard8> http://build.mozillamessaging.com/tinderboxpushlog/?tree=Thunderbird-Beta
# [14:57] <catlee> ah
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# [15:03] <robcee> any gfx peeps in here?
# [15:03] <robcee> we're hitting some build errors in skia on os x
# [15:03] <robcee> should a clobber fix that?
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# [15:04] <robcee> non gfx peeps with answers are also acceptable
# [15:05] <catlee> khuey: any ideas why 2010 is failing with pgo?
# [15:05] <catlee> did it used to work?
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# [15:06] <Kwan> wait is anyone supposed to be able to star on tbpl?
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# [15:06] <mak> Kwan: yes
# [15:07] <espindola> rail: what do I have to change in the puppet manifest to remove the old clang package when the new one is installed?
# [15:07] <Kwan> huh, assumed it would be limited
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# [15:08] <rail> espindola: let me check
# [15:08] <@khuey> catlee: yes, it used to work
# [15:08] <@khuey> I'm debugging now
# [15:09] <catlee> ok
# [15:09] <catlee> bisecting that could take a while...
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# [15:10] <Ms2ger> <Lightkey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Zbarsky "He was the son of Boris Zbarsky, who helped mummyfied Lenin's body in 1924." der muss ja alt sein.. O_o
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# [15:11] <robcee> c'mon, there's gotta be a --disable-skia flag somewhere, no?
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# [15:11] <robcee> anyone?
# [15:11] <robcee> halp?
# [15:11] <rail> espindola: for linux, something like this: http://hg.mozilla.org/build/puppet-manifests/file/b2a891976288/modules/packages/manifests/devtools.pp#l36
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# [15:11] <@khuey> catlee: I'm not bisecting it because bholley hit the same thing with 2005 with a patch on try
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# [15:12] <rail> espindola: or this http://hg.mozilla.org/build/puppet-manifests/file/b2a891976288/modules/packages/manifests/devtools.pp#l112
# [15:12] <rail> espindola: for mac this style should be ok: http://hg.mozilla.org/build/puppet-manifests/file/b2a891976288/modules/packages/manifests/devtools.pp#l198
# [15:13] <catlee> yeah, you can't 'uninstall' a dmg
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# [15:14] <espindola> rail: in the case of rpm
# [15:14] <espindola> the new one has the same name
# [15:15] <espindola> so I guess there is nothing extra to do, right?
# [15:15] <espindola> the new one will just replace the old
# [15:15] <rail> espindola: no, the new one uses version in the name iirc
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# [15:16] <espindola> rail: in the path, not in the package name. But let me check
# [15:16] <rail> espindola: oh, sorry, you're correct
# [15:16] <rail> http://hg.mozilla.org/build/rpm-sources/file/e1664f514298/clang/centos5-i686/clang.spec#l2
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# [15:16] <espindola> just looked at that :-)
# [15:17] <Ms2ger> <jcranmer> I would really appreciate an MDC page on "How to write a makefile without cargo-culting"
# [15:17] <Ms2ger> khuey, how about you do that?
# [15:17] <rail> espindola: so, nothing to do for rpm removal, just dmg
# [15:17] <espindola> ok
# [15:17] <@khuey> Ms2ger: no time
# [15:18] <Ms2ger> And no minions either?
# [15:19] <@khuey> not yet
# [15:19] <@khuey> ask me after interns start arriving
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# [15:26] <KaiRo> hmm, has the central->aurora merge not landed on aurora yet?
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# [15:28] <Standard8> KaiRo: nope
# [15:28] <Standard8> and the tag seems wrong as well
# [15:28] <KaiRo> hrm
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# [15:29] <Archaeopteryx> http://blog.mozilla.com/channels/ should list it after it has started or finished
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# [15:36] <@khuey> ugh
# [15:36] <@khuey> damn compiler bug
# [15:37] <@khuey> !summon bz
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# [15:37] <@khuey> ted: ping
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# [15:39] <@khuey> ewong: pong
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# [15:41] <ewong> khuey: my patch as given by http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471113 is regressing a test
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# [15:42] <@khuey> ok
# [15:42] <@khuey> what test?
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# [15:44] <@khuey> ewong: ^
# [15:44] <ewong> khuey: content/base/test/test_bug382871.html specifically failing on line #23 and 24
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# [15:45] <ewong> khuey: I get the feeling that xhr.send() (line #34) isn't working right
# [15:45] <@khuey> if lines 23 and 24 are failing the wrapper is getting GCd
# [15:45] <glazou> hmmmn an <handler> element cannot capture a right-click in a XBL extending a HTML element... ?
# [15:45] * @khuey looks at the patch
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# [15:46] <ewong> khuey: looks like my nsDOMEventTargetWrapperCache to nsDOMEventTargetHelper changes did something bad :(
# [15:47] <@khuey> ewong: yes
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# [15:47] <@bz> Man
# [15:47] <@bz> bmo is super-slow. :(
# [15:47] <@khuey> ewong: all that stuff from line 300 to line 316
# [15:47] <@khuey> did the relevant stuff get moved to nsDOMEventTargetHelper?
# [15:47] <@khuey> bz: hi!
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# [15:48] <@khuey> bz: I reproduced the PGO failure, and it is indeed the same as bholley's
# [15:48] <@khuey> MSVC appears to be miscompiling CSSParserImpl::ParseProperty :-(
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# [15:50] <@bz> khuey: well
# [15:50] <@bz> khuey: so
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# [15:50] <@bz> khuey: I wonder whether we can #pragma our way to short-term victory...
# [15:50] <@bz> khuey: the other option is to have dbaron read the generated assembly and figure out what it gets wrong?
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# [15:51] <@khuey> bz: well I did pragma my way to victory
# [15:52] <@khuey> the question is whether that will affect perf noticeably
# [15:52] <@bz> khuey: want a microbenchmark that bangs the hell out of that code?
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# [15:52] <@khuey> bz: please!
# [15:53] <@bz> khuey: one sec
# [15:53] <gcp> do you have any contacts/support at MS that you can whine at?
# [15:53] <@khuey> yeah
# [15:53] <ewong> khuey: hmmm don't think so.. gonna do that move with some changes
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# [15:54] <@khuey> ewong: yeah, that would be the problem
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# [15:54] <@khuey> without all those wrappercache entries we don't actually preserve any wrappers
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# [15:57] <@bz> khuey: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471134 should do it
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# [15:59] <@bz> oh, gah
# [15:59] <jlebar> Standard8, khuey Ms2ger catlee I'm looking at the bustage right now.
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# [15:59] <@bz> webidl requires a custom JSClass for proto objects?
# [15:59] <@bz> that's silly
# [16:00] * @bz will add it
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# [16:05] <@khuey> is ted on pto today?
# [16:05] <@khuey> bz: ok, I'll give that a go once I get a full PGO build with that function deoptimized
# [16:05] <@khuey> thanks
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# [16:06] <@bz> khuey: no problem
# [16:06] <@khuey> bz: fwiw, it looks like the optimizer is rearranging the arguments to ParserProperty
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# [16:06] <@bz> hmm
# [16:06] <@khuey> bz: and then forgetting that it did that when it sets up the call to InitScanner
# [16:07] <@bz> that's ... exciting
# [16:07] <@khuey> so InitScanner gets an nsIURI* that's bogus
# [16:07] <TheOne> what's the nick of Philipp Kewisch?
# [16:07] <@khuey> and it trys to do virtual calls on it
# [16:07] <@khuey> and that ends poorly
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# [16:07] <@bz> khuey: so this "identifier.name" thing is basically aligned with the webidl terminology?
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# [16:08] <@khuey> bz: yeah
# [16:08] <@khuey> it should be
# [16:08] <@bz> khuey: ok
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# [16:08] <@bz> khuey: excellent
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# [16:10] <@khuey> so, where are the instructions for how to do pgo on try?
# [16:10] <@khuey> catlee: ^?
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# [16:11] <Ms2ger> khuey, ted was around earlier, 2h or so ago
# [16:11] <jlebar> khuey, Oh, they're somewhere. Do you want to know how to do it, or do you want to know where the instructions are?
# [16:11] <Ms2ger> bz, pong
# [16:12] <@khuey> jlebar: I'll take either
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# [16:12] <@khuey> jlebar: less indirection is preferable, of course
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# [16:12] <Ms2ger> TheOne, that's Fallen|away
# [16:12] <@bz> Ms2ger: did I ping?
# [16:12] <jlebar> khuey, There's a mozconfig in the tree. You just add the relevant flags.
# [16:12] <TheOne> Ms2ger: thanks
# [16:12] <Ms2ger> bz, at 1AM my time, I think
# [16:12] <@khuey> jlebar: yes, but what are the relevant flags?
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# [16:12] <@bz> Ms2ger: oh, yesterday. No idea what that was about...
# [16:13] <Ms2ger> Me neither
# [16:13] <lurking> khuey: https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryChooser#What_if_I_want_PGO_for_my_build
# [16:13] <@khuey> ah
# [16:13] <@khuey> nice
# [16:13] <@khuey> so it's on ReleaseEngineering/TryChooser
# [16:13] <@khuey> but not ReleaseEngineering/TryServer
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# [16:13] <jlebar> khuey, You can look at the "release" mozconfig
# [16:13] <jlebar> for the relevant platform.
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# [16:14] <@khuey> yeah
# [16:14] <@khuey> I figured that out
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# [16:18] <glazou> Guest5519 please
# [16:19] <MarcoZ> Unfortunately not OP in this channel.
# [16:19] <glazou> sigh
# [16:19] <glazou> the guy is spamming everyone with genocide stuff
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# [16:20] <jbuck> Is it *.chatmosphere.org ?
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# [16:20] <@bz> heycam: ping?
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# [16:21] <jlebar> glob|away, For the past three days, I've seen slow bugzilla around this time of morning. Is that because of the DDoS, or something else?
# [16:21] <jlebar> glob|away, Log of response times: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471149
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# [16:26] * @bz bets people will hate this code for relocations
# [16:27] <Ms2ger> Why's that?
# [16:27] <NeilAway> mak: maybe you would like to hire him to look after your cat5 ;-)
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# [16:27] <@bz> Ms2ger: well, if I understand the relocation stuff correctly...
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# [16:28] <mak> NeilAway: who? I don't have so much money to hire anyone!
# [16:28] <NeilAway> mak: sorry I'm 2 hours scrolled back
# [16:28] <@bz> Ms2ger: we're going to have, for each interface, the proto class, the object class, probably the interface object class, the props table, the methods table
# [16:28] <@bz> Ms2ger: all of which will need relocating
# [16:28] <Ms2ger> Lovely
# [16:29] <@bz> Ms2ger: for each DOM interface
# [16:29] <@bz> Ms2ger: we can nix the interface object class, perhaps, once we finish converting to new bindings
# [16:29] <mak> NeilAway: no problem, my brain 10 years in the past :)
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# [16:29] <@bz> Ms2ger: and I guess an interface with no methods won't have a method table and such
# [16:29] * Ms2ger assumes glandium can fix it
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# [16:30] <@bz> mmm
# [16:30] <@bz> we can "fix" it in various ways
# [16:31] <@khuey> offsets ftw
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# [16:31] <@bz> mostly involving codegenning a single huge file instead of per-interface files
# [16:31] <NeilAway> glazou_brb: hmm, how would you do it from JS?
# [16:31] <Ms2ger> Ugh
# [16:31] <Ms2ger> In that case, just #include the .cpps
# [16:31] <@bz> that won't work well
# [16:31] <@bz> because the whole point would be to have a single huge array of all the JSClasses, say
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# [16:32] <ted> khuey: hey
# [16:32] <ted> was at the gym
# [16:32] <@bz> khuey: ok
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# [16:33] <Ms2ger> Mm
# [16:33] <@khuey> ted: the pgo crash appears to be a compiler bug
# [16:33] <ted> of course
# [16:33] <@khuey> ted: what do we need to do to file it
# [16:33] <ted> why wouldn't it be
# [16:33] <@bz> khuey: so proto setup is basically done modulo callability of the ctor and the instance hook and the deal with nointerfaceobject
# [16:33] <Ms2ger> smaug, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471067 r?
# [16:33] <glandium> bz: that's a lot of relocations :-/
# [16:33] <glazou> NeilAway: that's my problem, I don't think I can ; I need to rely on Cocoa/gtk2/windows attribute of the BaseWindow stating the window is minimized
# [16:33] <@khuey> bz: nice
# [16:33] <ted> khuey: do we have vc10sp1 installed?
# [16:33] <ted> (on the build machines)
# [16:33] <@bz> glandium: again, if I understand correctly
# [16:33] <glazou> NeilAway: writing a component for that right now
# [16:33] <@khuey> ted: idk
# [16:33] <@bz> glandium: lemme pastebin a file, one sec
# [16:33] <@khuey> ted: but I do locally
# [16:33] <@khuey> and I reproduced
# [16:33] <ted> okay
# [16:34] <@smaug> Ms2ger: r+. (it is a leftover from a previous version of the patch)
# [16:34] <ted> probably worth having someone who has vc11 installed see if they can repro
# [16:34] <@bz> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471152
# [16:34] <Ms2ger> Thanks
# [16:34] <NeilAway> glazou: sorry, I was thinking of the right-click
# [16:34] <@khuey> really?
# [16:34] <@khuey> vc11 isn't actually released yet is it?
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# [16:34] <@khuey> it's just the beta/pre-release, right?
# [16:34] <@bz> glandium: am I correct that we'll need relocatons for ConstructorClass, Class, PrototypeClass, and the methods and props inside CreateProtoObject ?
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# [16:35] <ted> khuey: i think so, yes
# [16:35] <ted> but it'd be nice to know whether it's already fixed
# [16:35] <ted> or if we can file it against their latest version, right?
# [16:35] <@khuey> 2010 is the latest released version
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# [16:35] <ted> yes, i know
# [16:35] <@khuey> fwiw, we hit the same crash on 2005 with one of bholley's patches
# [16:35] <NeilAway> glazou: for that doesn't window.windowState work?
# [16:35] <ted> but people file bugs against our betas and alphas and whatnot
# [16:36] <@khuey> so the odds that it's been fixed seem low
# [16:36] <glandium> bz: yes. and each string
# [16:36] <@bz> glandium: which strings?
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# [16:36] <@bz> glandium: like the literal passed to bindings::CreateProtoObject ?
# [16:36] <glandium> bz: yep
# [16:36] <@bz> glandium: or all string literals in all those structs too?
# [16:36] <glandium> bz: yep
# [16:37] <@bz> glandium: hrm
# [16:37] <@bz> glandium: we should think about this....
# [16:37] <@bz> glandium: not sure how to make this better. :(
# [16:37] <@bz> glandium: the good news is this is all codegen. ;)
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# [16:37] <glazou> NeilAway: hmmmm, could work : will try, thanks
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# [16:38] <glandium> bz: all those functions do look very much alike... is it wanted to have so many of them, when they do the same thing?
# [16:38] <@khuey> ted: so ... I don't really want to install 2011
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# [16:38] <ted> khuey: yeah, get gps or someone to test it?
# [16:38] <froydnj> bz: where is this code?
# [16:38] <glandium> bz: corollary question, does the code using this expects the functions to be separate? because icf is probably going to merge some
# [16:38] <Ms2ger> glandium, it needs to be blazingly fast :)
# [16:38] <ted> khuey: there were a few people on the vs2011 bugs
# [16:38] <Ms2ger> froydnj, https://hg.mozilla.org/users/jst_mozilla.com/dom-bindings/
# [16:39] <Ms2ger> glandium, note, the XXX bits will be different
# [16:39] <@khuey> ted: ok, so assuming that I find somebody to test and it reproduces, how do we file the bug?
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# [16:40] <ted> khuey: you do the linkrepro thing
# [16:40] <ted> which is horrible
# [16:40] <ted> then you file a bug at microsoft conenct
# [16:40] <ted> connect
# [16:40] <glandium> bz, Ms2ger: does that code replace something existing (like the quickstubs or something)
# [16:40] <ted> and i don't know how you give them 2+GB of data
# [16:40] <@khuey> "the linkrepro thing"?
# [16:40] <@bz> froydnj: which this code?
# [16:40] <Ms2ger> glandium, long term, yes
# [16:40] <@khuey> ted: I'll just put it on people or something
# [16:40] <ted> khuey: i emailed it out in that thread
# [16:40] <ted> where ehsan was asking
# [16:40] <Ms2ger> Not all of xpconnect, though
# [16:40] <@bz> glandium: I'm not sure what you're asking
# [16:41] <@bz> glandium: long-term this will replace quickstubs, yes
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# [16:41] <froydnj> bz: the code you and glandium were discussing. replacing those strings in the JSClasses will be...difficult
# [16:41] <glandium> bz, Ms2ger: then the weight would need to be compared to that of quickstubs
# [16:41] <@khuey> ted: you didn't reply to me ...
# [16:41] <@bz> froydnj: that code i autogenerated
# [16:41] <ted> khuey: basically, you just need to have the LINKREPRO env var set to a directory when you do the final PGO link
# [16:41] <ted> so something like
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# [16:41] <@bz> froydnj: it's the new DOM binding code
# [16:41] <@khuey> ted: well the problem is the first link
# [16:41] <@khuey> not the second
# [16:41] <glob> jlebar, is that bmo directly, or via bzapi?
# [16:41] <ted> mkdir /c/linkrepro; export LINKREPRO=/c/linkrepro
# [16:41] <ted> khuey: oh, okay
# [16:41] <ted> so during then
# [16:41] <ted> then
# [16:41] <jlebar> glob, curl bmo
# [16:42] <@khuey> ted: can you forward me this email?
# [16:42] <ted> make -C $objdir/toolkit/library MOZ_PGO_INSTRUMENT=1 or whatever
# [16:42] <glob> jlebar, yes, there has been ddos's all week :(
# [16:42] <ted> MOZ_PROFILE_whatever
# [16:42] * ted forgets
# [16:42] <glandium> bz: the code is autogenerated, but the classes (JSClass, DOMJSClass), aren't
# [16:42] <ted> khuey: will look
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# [16:42] <@bz> glandium: that's autogenerated too
# [16:42] <@khuey> ted: oh, I guess it was one of the things in ehsan's original email
# [16:42] <Ms2ger> glandium, the entire file is autogenerated
# [16:42] <@bz> glandium: not the types, but the instances
# [16:42] <glandium> bz: isn't JSClass a definition from the js api ?
# [16:42] <jlebar> glob, I guess I'm just wondering if that pattern is a result of the ddos, or some other problem.
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# [16:43] <@bz> glandium: sure
# [16:43] <jlebar> glob, Seems kinda weird that they'd ddos only for a few hours a day.
# [16:43] <glob> jlebar, um, but i think we lost a webhead or two
# [16:43] <froydnj> bz: oh, well, you can get to the autogen'd code form the tree Ms2ger pointed out
# [16:43] <glandium> bz: then it expects a char * for its first member, which means you can't avoid the relocation for that
# [16:43] <glandium> likewise for the other literals
# [16:43] <espindola> how do we normally mark code as unreachable at mozilla?
# [16:43] <@bz> glandium: ah, I se
# [16:43] <@bz> glandium: ok
# [16:43] <glob> jlebar, we block
# [16:43] <@bz> espindola: NS_NOTREACHED?
# [16:43] <glandium> the js code has the same problem, though
# [16:43] <ted> khuey: forwarded
# [16:43] <Ms2ger> espindola, MOZ_NOT_REACHED(foo) from mozilla/Assertions.h
# [16:43] <espindola> bz: thanks
# [16:44] <@bz> or yes
# [16:44] <jlebar> glob, It takes a few hours to block the ddos?
# [16:44] <espindola> Ms2ger: thanks too :-)
# [16:44] <@bz> MOZ_NOT_REACHED
# [16:44] <froydnj> espindola: do note that you'll have to return something after MOZ_NOT_REACHED, though =/
# [16:44] <@bz> so we could avoid the relocation for the struct itself
# [16:44] <glob> jlebar, yes, because it can't be automated (detection or blocking)
# [16:44] <@bz> but not its various members
# [16:44] <espindola> froydnj: why?
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# [16:44] <espindola> I am looking at GetImageFromSourceSurface
# [16:44] <Ms2ger> espindola, compilers are stupid
# [16:44] <jlebar> glob, That's quite lame.
# [16:44] <@khuey> ted: ty
# [16:44] <espindola> it has an assert(0) at the end
# [16:45] <glob> jlebar, indeed; it's a complete pita
# [16:45] <espindola> but that is nothing at release
# [16:45] <froydnj> espindola: well, opt builds, too
# [16:45] <ted> np
# [16:45] <Ms2ger> espindola, neither are the other notreacheds
# [16:45] <jlebar> glob, What's the medium-term solution you guys have in mind?
# [16:45] <Ms2ger> espindola, for something that aborts in releases, NS_RUNTIMEABORT
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# [16:46] <froydnj> espindola: I guess it's more accurate to say a call to a noreturn function or a return; MOZ_NOT_REACHED isn't noreturn itself
# [16:46] <glazou> NeilAway: superb, thanks a zillion
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# [16:47] <espindola> froydnj: so yes, what I was looking for was something that expanded to __builtin_unreachable()
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# [16:47] <glandium> bz: are Class, PrototypeClass and ConstructorClass referenced from somewhere?
# [16:47] <glob> jlebar, there isn't a lot that is effective against a proper ddos; none of the current suggestions are adequate imho
# [16:48] <espindola> Ms2ger: why not produce a __builtin_unreachable() on a release build?
# [16:48] <glandium> bz: btw, is that expected that Class is not static when the other two are?
# [16:48] <Ms2ger> glandium, line 1215 ;)
# [16:48] <jlebar> glob, The manual blocking, you do that by IP?
# [16:48] <glandium> Ms2ger: but that's not used externally, is it?
# [16:48] <glandium> (obviously not, for the static ones)
# [16:48] <glob> jlebar, i believe so; it's an IT dance. sometimes the requests are authenticated (throw-away accounts), so we can disable the account on bmo
# [16:49] <Ms2ger> Shouldn't be, I think
# [16:49] <@bz> glandium: yes
# [16:49] <@bz> glandium: there's an extern decl for Class in the header
# [16:49] <@bz> glandium: and it's used outside of this file
# [16:49] <@bz> glandium: Now whether that's _needed_ is unclear
# [16:49] <glandium> bz: so that one, depending how it's used, will make a relocations. the others, not
# [16:50] <@bz> glandium: oh, interesting
# [16:50] <@bz> glandium: static stuff doesn
# [16:50] <jlebar> glob, Could we enact some kind of rate limiting, so that every user/IP gets a fair share of available resources? The DDoS would then need to use a lot more IPs to get to us.
# [16:50] <@bz> glandium: doesn't need relocating?
# [16:50] <glob> jlebar, right, ratelimiting's the only real solution, however it won't be that effective as we're currently seeing 100s of ips being used
# [16:50] <glandium> bz: they don't because how they are used. As long as they are not required from other data, it's fine
# [16:51] <@bz> the only references to proto and ctor classes is the call on line 611
# [16:51] <glob> jlebar, so the per-ip rate isn't that high :(
# [16:51] <@bz> glandium: and it will stay that way
# [16:51] <jlebar> glob, So how do you identify an IP as malicious, when you go in manually, if not by request rate?
# [16:51] <glandium> bz: so that is fine. Class may not add a relocation if it's used the same way
# [16:52] <@bz> glandium: Yeah, Class will basically be used to pass its JSClass member to JS_NewObject
# [16:52] <glandium> that still leaves a whole lot of relocations for the structs themselves
# [16:52] <glob> jlebar, the request being made is the same
# [16:52] <@bz> glandium: not sure I can do anything about the structs themselves
# [16:52] <jlebar> glob, Oh, well surely you could detect that automatically?
# [16:52] <@bz> glandium: short of heap-allocating them at runtime or something.....
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# [16:52] <glob> jlebar, until someone links to bmo from slashdot :)
# [16:53] <@bz> glandium: which is what xpconnect does right now, basically
# [16:53] <jlebar> glob, Well, caching is another necessary component.
# [16:53] <jlebar> glob, But for specifically this on-going attack...
# [16:53] <glob> jlebar, yes! that's where i'm focusing my energies. ratelimiting should be done at the network layer
# [16:54] <froydnj> bz: wonder if it'd be worth having a JS_AllocateClassWithNameAndFlags that heap-allocates and just uses JS_*Stub funs and whatnot
# [16:54] <jlebar> glob, Yay. I'm happy to hear that you're doing something which might help. :)
# [16:55] <@khuey> ted: so I'm going to do a linkrepro now since I have an objdir sitting around
# [16:55] <froydnj> that'd enable you to avoid relocations and whatnot
# [16:55] <@khuey> ted: and later we'll see if somebody with 2011 can repro
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# [16:55] <glandium> bz: mmmmm
# [16:56] <ted> okay
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# [16:57] <@bz> So I don't understand something
# [16:58] <espindola> froydnj, bz, Ms2ger: I added bug 723114 in case you are interested.
# [16:58] <@bz> why does taking the address of a static struct not need a relocation?
# [16:58] <@bz> Does taking the address of a static function need a relocation?
# [16:58] <espindola> bz: which arch, which os, is the symbol hidden?
# [16:59] <glandium> bz: it doesn't need a runtime relocation because the code is PIC, and will use an offset from the instruction pointer
# [16:59] <@bz> all, all, static symbol
# [16:59] <@bz> Ah, I see
# [16:59] <@bz> ok
# [16:59] <froydnj> well, offset in the GOT on x86
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# [17:00] <glandium> bz: referencing the address of the struct from another struct requires a relocation
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# [17:01] <@bz> ok
# [17:01] <@bz> I see
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# [17:03] <glandium> froydnj: and the address to the GOT is calculated from the instruction pointer ;)
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# [17:03] <glandium> with the awful __i686.get_pc_thunk.reg thing
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# [17:05] <froydnj> glandium: true. just not free, per se
# [17:05] <froydnj> glandium: awful? :)
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# [17:05] <glandium> froydnj: it doesn't hurt startup, at least
# [17:07] <Ms2ger> bz, what makes you think I want to fix bugs? :)
# [17:09] <cers> does anyone have a spare moment to help wrap my head around Mercurial Queues?
# [17:09] <@bz> Ms2ger: past performance is indication of future returns
# [17:09] <Ms2ger> cers, what about it? :)
# [17:10] <Ms2ger> bz, I guess you didn't go to Law school?
# [17:10] <froydnj> glandium: you have relocs for got entries
# [17:10] <cers> Ms2ger: well, I tried to follow http://blog.bonardo.net/2010/06/22/so-youre-about-to-use-checkin-needed
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# [17:10] <Ms2ger> cers, and you had changes in your tree before enabling mq?
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# [17:11] <cers> Ms2ger: I did
# [17:11] <Ms2ger> All for the same bug?
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# [17:11] <cers> Ms2ger: no, but I hg revert'ed the other ones later - seemed to make qrefresh/qdiff happy
# [17:12] <Ms2ger> Mm
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# [17:12] <Ms2ger> Alright, so what's the question? :)
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# [17:13] <gcp> dcamp: ping
# [17:13] <cers> Ms2ger: well I did a hg qnew -f bug-388079; hg qrefresh -e; hg qfinish bug-388079
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# [17:13] <Ms2ger> Ah
# [17:14] <cers> Ms2ger: of course, checking in between that hg qdiff looks right
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# [17:14] <Ms2ger> You don't do qfinish before you push
# [17:14] <glandium> froydnj: you don't have a got entry per data. in fact, when using data from code on x86, you get the GOT address from the instruction pointer, and then the data address from an offset from the GOT that you already know at build time
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# [17:14] <cers> Ms2ger: I see - is there a way to undo?
# [17:14] <Ms2ger> Fortunately, yes
# [17:14] <Ms2ger> hg qimport -r tip
# [17:14] <glandium> froydnj: which really makes me wonder why it's not just calculating the offset from the instruction pointer
# [17:14] <Ms2ger> (Assuming it's at tip)
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# [17:16] <cers> Ms2ger: right - and then just hg export qtip?
# [17:16] <@bz> kwierso: it's like an elevator
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# [17:16] <Ms2ger> cers, sounds right
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# [17:17] <Ms2ger> cers, also, if you use checkin-needed, you don't need to qfinish, ever
# [17:17] <ted> heh
# [17:17] <cers> Ms2ger: I see - thanks
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# [17:18] <kwierso> oh wait, I think it has binary components, so it doesn't get compatible by default...
# [17:18] <mak> is bugzilla slow just for me?
# [17:18] <glob> mak, no, much slowness for all
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# [17:18] <mak> glob: sigh
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# [17:19] <jlebar> How do I make a bug security-sensitive?
# [17:19] <@khuey> if it's already been filed?
# [17:19] <jlebar> an existing bug, yes.
# [17:19] <@khuey> pm somebody in the security group
# [17:19] <lurking> tick the security box at the bottom of form
# [17:19] <jlebar> lurking, only works for new bugs.
# [17:19] <lurking> oh, didn't know that
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# [17:19] <glob> jlebar, tick one of the boxes in "only users in all of the selects groups can view this bug" section
# [17:20] <glob> jlebar, also what khuey said :)
# [17:20] <Ms2ger> glob, that's only there for sg members
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# [17:20] <froydnj> glandium: I think the linker might resolve got relocations when it can
# [17:21] <cers> Ms2ger: in case I wanted to change the commit message (after the qfinish, qimport tip trick), can I still just do qrefresh -e?
# [17:22] <Ms2ger> Yep
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# [17:23] <glandium> froydnj: are there any cases where it can't resolve an R_386_GOTOFF relocation? especially when the target is static
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# [17:24] <glandium> actually, when the target is not static, it uses a R_386_GOT32 anyways
# [17:25] <@bz> man
# [17:25] * @bz grumbles
# [17:25] <Ms2ger> Yes?
# [17:25] <@bz> Ms2ger: our branching document
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# [17:25] <@bz> Ms2ger: the one that was supposed to get updated... and never was
# [17:25] * Ms2ger doesn't read that
# [17:25] * @bz wishes it lived in our normal repo so he could just fix it
# [17:26] <jwir3> Ms2ger: Thanks for the tip on bug 706198. I didn't know about mozilla::clamped.
# [17:26] <Ms2ger> jwir3, np :)
# [17:26] <froydnj> I do see GOT entries for LOCAL functions in libxul, but I haven't tracked down the original object files
# [17:26] <Ms2ger> jwir3, I like spreading the word ;)
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# [17:27] <glandium> froydnj: most probably hidden symbols
# [17:27] <gandalf> I need to store a short list of strings in XPCOM code and check if a simple string is in that list. Should I use nsTArray?
# [17:27] <cers> Ms2ger: one last thing (hopefully) - would I then upload the contents of export qtip to bugzilla as a patch? (if so, does this look correct? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471195 )
# [17:28] <froydnj> glandium: they are indeed hidden (at least all the ones I have bothered to check)
# [17:28] <gcp> Not sure if its necessary to put bug numbers in comments. hg blame should eliminate the need for it.
# [17:29] <jlebar> How do I translate a build ID (e.g. 20120131031150) into a hg changeset?
# [17:29] <Ms2ger> cers, and 'i >= 0'
# [17:29] <Ms2ger> But looks good, yes
# [17:29] <cers> gcp: was that for me?
# [17:29] <jlebar> gcp, People have differing views on that. IMO, hg blame is often tricky after a file has been hacked on for a long time.
# [17:30] <jlebar> gcp, For example, nobody would say you shouldn't reference a bug number in a test. But then, why not in code?
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# [17:30] <froydnj> jlebar: afaik you cannot
# [17:30] <jlebar> But I realize that my opinion is not popular.
# [17:30] <jlebar> froydnj, Hm.
# [17:30] <gcp> cers: yes, but I put it public to see if there was concensus.
# [17:30] <Ms2ger> jlebar, then again, we reference bugs only in tests ;)
# [17:30] <@khuey> jlebar: you can't really
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# [17:30] <jlebar> khuey, That's a bummer...
# [17:31] <jlebar> khuey, So how do I figure out which line this crashreport is referring to?
# [17:31] <@khuey> jlebar: link?
# [17:31] <cers> gcp: ahh - other places in the file, that had been done (and in several others it seemed from a fast grep)
# [17:31] <NeilAway> glazou: np
# [17:31] <Ms2ger> cers, just do whatever ttaubert likes ;)
# [17:31] <jlebar> Oh...I just click the link. http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/3f26b7bee352/image/src/RasterImage.cpp#l2734
# [17:31] <glandium> froydnj: seriously, for something as simple as static int i; int *foo() { return &i; }, I don't see why gcc wouldn't use a R_386_PC32 relocation
# [17:31] <@khuey> jlebar: right :-)
# [17:31] <jlebar> It's 3f26b7bee352, by the way. :)
# [17:31] <Ms2ger> (And man, ttaubert is a peer?)
# [17:31] <Ms2ger> (I remember his first patch...)
# [17:32] * ttaubert reads
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# [17:32] <ttaubert> i >= 0 is fine, too
# [17:33] <ttaubert> Ms2ger: alas, I don't remember your first patch...
# [17:33] <ttaubert> :)
# [17:33] <Ms2ger> Me neither :)
# [17:33] <@bz> akeybl is in pacific time, right?
# [17:33] <@khuey> yes
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# [17:35] <jlebar> mak, Inline auto-complete was disabled?
# [17:35] <jlebar> mak, I'd just started to get used to it! :)
# [17:36] <froydnj> glandium: nobody has gotten bored enough to add it, I guess
# [17:36] <mak> jlebar: I had to backout a change that was creating issues for te Aurora merge, need an updated patch before re-enabling it. not that far
# [17:36] <@bz> aaand bugzilla seems to be dead
# [17:36] <jlebar> mak, cool.
# [17:36] <@khuey> jlebar: it looks like 'this' is bogus?
# [17:36] <jlebar> khuey, or mDecoder.
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# [17:37] <Archaeopteryx> bz: it's like compile time?
# [17:37] <jlebar> khuey, I don't know whether the line is usually the one before?
# [17:38] <smontagu> bz: not dead, more like undead
# [17:38] <@bz> Archaeopteryx: vacuuming time
# [17:38] <jorendorff> Who can I ask about running talos locally? Or about virtualenv generally?
# [17:38] <Archaeopteryx> works again (but not very fast)
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# [17:40] <jlebar> khuey, I need to back this shit out. Too many problems. :(
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# [17:41] <jorendorff> armenzg: I get an ImportError trying to run PerfConfigurator.py as described here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Buildbot/Talos (but additionally using the --develop option)
# [17:41] <@khuey> jlebar: sadfaces
# [17:41] <jorendorff> armenzg: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471202
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# [17:44] <armenzg> jorendorff: I think you are better off asking jmaher or bear-afk
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# [17:44] <armenzg> I don't know much about it
# [17:44] <jorendorff> It may just be that I should have done ./bin/activate first
# [17:44] <jorendorff> retrying
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# [17:47] <froydnj> glandium: one good reason is that the assembler doesn't seem to support it =/
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# [17:48] <glandium> froydnj: oh, like, there's no @something to do it?
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# [17:51] <jmaher> jorendorff: did you run 'python INSTALL.py' before running perfconfigurator.py ?
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# [17:51] <jorendorff> yes
# [17:51] <jorendorff> but that's not sufficient; you also have to . bin/activate
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# [17:52] <jmaher> jorendorff: ok; I had thought the install.py script did that for you
# [17:52] <jmaher> time to update some instructions
# [17:52] <jorendorff> jmaher: already did
# [17:52] <jmaher> oh, cool!
# [17:52] <jmaher> after that are things working for you?
# [17:52] <jorendorff> jmaher: I didn't think a python script could change its *parent* process's PATH
# [17:53] <jorendorff> which is what INSTALL.py would have to do
# [17:53] <jorendorff> jmaher: seems to be running!
# [17:53] <jmaher> jorendorff: oh cool
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# [17:54] <Ms2ger> johnath++
# [17:55] <Ms2ger> Eek, timbl on public-webapps
# [17:55] <johnath> Ms2ger: thanks! Whaffor?
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# [17:56] <Ms2ger> johnath, being rather more effective than if I'd replied in the two-digit-sniffing bug
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# [17:58] <johnath> People are mostly not evil in their own minds - mostly the trick is just cutting through the crappiness of text based mediums to make everyone look each other in the eyes
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# [17:59] <jhammel> ++
# [17:59] <Ms2ger> khuey, "people" does not apply to you
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# [18:03] <glob> lurking, last i heard was there may be a phx datacenter issue
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# [18:04] <glob> lurking, minecraft? :P
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# [18:09] <@bz> akeybl: good morning
# [18:09] <akeybl> hey bz
# [18:09] <@bz> akeybl: lemme know when you want to go through this aurora stuff?
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# [18:10] <@bz> akeybl: it'd be good to actually get the document updated this time. ;)
# [18:10] <jorendorff> come on, talos, crash for me
# [18:11] <akeybl> jlebar: looks like m-b is burning
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# [18:11] <jlebar> well with the pushes, anyway.
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# [18:12] <froydnj> akeybl: this try run https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=bd4b87fee4f4 contains a correct backout for the bug707320 mess (try_fedora_test only; don't expect issues with other builds); I'm not sure what the next steps are from here
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# [18:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b6221faacd5f - Armen Zambrano Gasparnian - Bug 721822. fix 'Exception as' for python2.5. r=jmaher. NPOTB. DONTBUILD
# [18:27] <@khuey> ted: ok, I've got a linkrepro
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# [18:29] <ted> nice
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# [18:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fb3c9711d0fa - Boris Zbarsky - Added tag AURORA_BASE_20120131 for changeset bbc7014db2de
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# [18:40] <jlebar> josh, Pandora and The Daily Show don't work for me in Nightly. :-/
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# [18:40] <josh> jlebar: platform?
# [18:40] * Ms2ger doesn't update his tree, then
# [18:40] <jlebar> josh, linux-64
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# [18:40] <josh> jlebar: can you file a bug?
# [18:41] <jlebar> josh, Yes, I'll file two.
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# [18:46] <jlebar> Gah, this bugzilla DDoS is costing us a lot of developer time.
# [18:46] <glob> jlebar, not a DDoS right now, phx networking issues :(
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# [18:46] <jlebar> Again?
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# [18:51] <jlebar> I hope these bug reports get through.
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# [18:57] <gandalf> is there an easy way to scan a nsTArray for a given element?
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# [18:59] <gavin> Contains/IndexOf?
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# [19:01] <gandalf> Contains sounds like it
# [19:01] <gandalf> thanks
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# [19:09] <@khuey> woah
# [19:09] <@khuey> Asa and I agree for once
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# [19:09] <blizzard> NO
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# [19:09] <@khuey> should I call 911?
# [19:09] <jhammel> 411
# [19:10] <@smaug> 112
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# [19:10] <@khuey> I'm back in the US now :-P
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# [19:15] <mreid> does anyone know if the latest android client for Vidyo is safe to use on a public network (if logged in using https)?
# [19:16] <bhearsum> mreid: i'd try asking in #desktop
# [19:16] <mreid> bhearsum, will do
# [19:16] <jhammel> mreid: my portal starts with https://
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# [19:16] <jhammel> so i would *assume* so
# [19:16] <mreid> jhammel, mine too, but wanted to confirm since I never officially heard after the "DO NOT USE" email
# [19:17] <jhammel> heh
# [19:17] <jhammel> iirc there was a bug somewhere where the chatter happened, but i only sorta skimmed it
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# [19:17] <mreid> I'll report back if I find out
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# [19:19] <@khuey> did somebody make debug builds a lot slower recently?
# [19:19] <@khuey> it feels super slow
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# [19:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dfd3dd3f90f7 - Olli Pettay - Bug 723157 - Call forgetSkippable more often, r=mccr8
# [19:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7a33be2b6a36 - Olli Pettay - Bug 723064 - Many debug xpcshell-tests show leaks of 1 each of Mutex, ReentrantMonitor, nsTArray_base, nsThread, nsTimerImpl, r=mccr8
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# [19:23] <edmorley> gps: have you seen http://graphs-new.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[29,63,6]]&sel=1328102414666.825,1328120123642&displayrange=7&datatype=running (ref https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.tree-management/dwNSxYvmTeM)
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# [19:25] <@bz> khuey: ping
# [19:25] <@bz> jlebar: ping
# [19:26] <jlebar> bz, hey
# [19:26] <gcp> yuck
# [19:26] <@khuey> bz: pong
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# [19:26] <@bz> so on beta
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# [19:26] <@bz> we have this link error on windows
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# [19:26] <@bz> nsBrowserApp.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol __imp__moz_xmalloc
# [19:26] <@bz> nsBrowserApp.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol __imp__moz_free
# [19:26] <@bz> xpcomglue.lib(nsStringAPI.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol __imp__moz_xrealloc
# [19:26] <jlebar> bz, It's my fault.
# [19:26] <@bz> firefox.exe : fatal error LNK1120: 3 unresolved externals
# [19:26] <@bz> jlebar: ok
# [19:26] <jlebar> bz, I pushed a fix?
# [19:26] <@bz> jlebar: you're on it, then?
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# [19:27] <jlebar> bz, ee7378639 should fix it.
# [19:27] <@bz> jlebar: awesome
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# [19:27] <jlebar> bz, Actually, its parent fixes it on Windows, but busts everything else. It was not my finest hour.
# [19:27] <@bz> heh
# [19:27] <gps> edmorley: no I haven't
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# [19:28] <philor> mrbkap: bustage
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# [19:29] <@bz> ok
# [19:29] <@bz> good
# [19:29] <@bz> so beta is good to goa
# [19:29] <mreid> bhearsum, jhammel, looks like the answer is "yes" re: safety of android Vidyo
# [19:29] <@bz> er, go
# [19:29] <@bz> aurora migration is done too
# [19:29] <jhammel> mreid: thanks :)
# [19:29] <mreid> np
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# [19:30] <gcp> that's a regression 26M -> 31M peak right?
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# [19:34] <mrbkap> philor: ah, crap, sorry.
# [19:34] <philor> mrbkap: np, I got it
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# [19:34] <gps> edmorley: how are those links relevant to me?
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# [19:35] <kwierso> Is browser.urlbar.autoFill supposed to be flipped to false by default on Nightly? I thought that was just for Aurora...
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# [19:35] <mbrubeck> edmorley: Are you looking for gcp instead?
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# [19:36] <edmorley> gps, mbrubeck: ha, yes I would :-)
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# [19:37] <philor> pretty sure if we're going to have those two nicks, they are required to filter and pass along things intended for the other, just like philikon and I have to
# [19:37] <edmorley> gcp: have you seen http://graphs-new.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[29,63,6]]&sel=1328102414666.825,1328120123642&displayrange=7&datatype=running (ref https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.tree-management/dwNSxYvmTeM)
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# [19:37] <blassey> coop: who from releng is supposed to be coming to the testing meeting?
# [19:37] <gcp> yes, looking
# [19:38] <coop> blassey: i'm joining now
# [19:38] <edmorley> gcp: yeah sorry, saw your reply in the scrollback now (trying to make dinner too)
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# [19:40] <jdm> bz: I've been going by ehsan's recommendation of using docshells. Would you recommend switching to nsILoadContext? Is there a particular benefit one way or another?
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# [19:40] <@ehsan> jdm: what is the context of the conversation?
# [19:40] <@ehsan> per window PB?
# [19:40] <@bz> jdm: storing the information on the docshell is the right way to go
# [19:40] <jdm> ehsan: bug 722845
# [19:41] <@bz> jdm: nsILoadContext is an abstract interface
# [19:41] <jdm> ehsan: see the huge list of dependent bugs I filed against pbngen
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# [19:41] <@bz> jdm: there is no "load context" object
# [19:41] <@ehsan> jdm: nice :)
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# [19:41] <@bz> jdm: docshell implements nsILoadContext, but so do some other things
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# [19:41] <@bz> jdm: the important part is that a channel may not have a docshell
# [19:41] <jdm> oh, I see
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# [19:42] <@bz> jdm: but will generally have an nsILoadContext
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# [19:42] <jdm> that does sound important!
# [19:42] <@bz> jdm: the other things that implement nsILoadContext will forward it to the right docshell
# [19:42] <@bz> jdm: so in terms of impl work you still store the state on the docshell, expose a getter on loadcontext, implement that getter on docshell, and it should just work
# [19:43] <jdm> alright, I'll give that a shot
# [19:43] <@bz> excellent
# [19:43] <ron> is there any GUI debugger for debugging firefox on ubuntu format
# [19:43] * @bz is pretty excited about this per-docshell pb business
# [19:43] <@ehsan> bz: yeah, it's gonna be a brave new world
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# [19:44] <sfink> where was the peanut butter kept before?
# [19:44] <jdm> ehsan: it looks to me like the download manager and history are the most difficult consumers. A lot of the other bugs look like they could be done by someone keen, which I like.
# [19:45] <johanc> I'm having trouble finding the VK for "?" for use in tests (synthesizeKey), ideas? mac os
# [19:45] <@ehsan> jdm: for history, we might be able to do things at the call site
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# [19:45] <@ehsan> cause we do have the docshell at the callsite (hopefully)
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# [19:45] <jdm> ehsan: we may have to. I'll talk more with mak about it, I expect.
# [19:45] <@ehsan> sfink: in a single app-wide variable
# [19:45] <@ehsan> yeah
# [19:45] <@khuey> johanc: VK_SLASH?
# [19:46] <@ehsan> I'll CC mysekf on all of the bugs
# [19:46] <@ehsan> and will try to chime in :)
# [19:46] <@khuey> johanc: plus shift, of course
# [19:46] <@smaug> that would be surprising
# [19:46] <@ehsan> bz: with hindsight, this is what I should have done from the beginning :/
# [19:46] <@smaug> shift+slah doesn't generate ?
# [19:46] <@smaug> in all the keyboard layouts
# [19:47] <@ehsan> I didn't know quite enough about gecko back then unfortunately
# [19:47] <@ehsan> no
# [19:47] <jdm> Standard8++
# [19:47] <johanc> khuey: smaug: I was hoping there was a more reliable VK
# [19:47] <jdm> xpcshell leak log :)
# [19:47] <@smaug> keyboard layouts are painful
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# [19:48] <johanc> maybe there is though, my tests should synthesize the "global help" key on mac
# [19:48] <johanc> "F1" being the equivalent on win/lin
# [19:49] <johanc> at the moment it's using accel+?
# [19:50] <@ehsan> is bugzilla slow for everybody today?
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# [19:50] <@smaug> ehsan: yes
# [19:50] <jtcranmer> it was slow for me this morning
# [19:50] <jhammel> ehsan: yes, phx bad
# [19:50] <glob> ehsan, yes, phx datacenter issues :(
# [19:50] <@ehsan> :(
# [19:50] <@ehsan> jdm: I guess I'll look at the bugs later then :/
# [19:50] <@khuey> bz: so, I ran your microbenchmark
# [19:50] <jgilbert> I am having more luck with bugzilla than tbpl, but I think it's just this awful hotel internet :/
# [19:51] <jtcranmer> tbpl is down for me too
# [19:52] <jgilbert> oh, well then
# [19:52] <@khuey> bz: and the one compiled with 2010 with the optimization disabled on that function is _faster_
# [19:52] <@bz> khuey: I expect not much difference, fwiw
# [19:52] <@bz> khuey: yep, I buy it
# [19:52] <@khuey> so ...
# [19:52] <@bz> khuey: for me, that function is only 30% of the microbenchmark
# [19:52] <@bz> khuey: I say ship it
# [19:52] <@khuey> cool
# [19:52] <@bz> khuey: and if we can manage to report a bug to them, so much the better
# [19:52] <Standard8> jdm: :-)
# [19:53] <@khuey> bz: yeah, I'm going to file a bug report with them
# [19:53] <jtcranmer> Standard8: did you check it in yet?
# [19:53] <@bz> khuey: awesome, thanks
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# [19:53] <Standard8> jtcranmer: heh, only did the patch earlier today...
# [19:53] <jtcranmer> I've had total time from bug filed to bug fixed be only 4 hours
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# [19:54] <@khuey> bz: can you rubberstamp the patch in 563318?
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# [19:55] <@bz> khuey: only if bugzilla lets me!
# [19:55] <johanc> khuey: smaug: thanks, looks like It's working :)
# [19:55] <@khuey> johanc: cool
# [19:55] <@khuey> bz: hah
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# [19:56] <@khuey> edmorley: how is the tree? :-)
# [19:56] <@bz> so far I can limp along reading bugzilla
# [19:56] <@bz> as in loading bugs
# [19:56] <@bz> actually marking review flags, no so much
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# [19:57] <jdm> bz: write a console tool :)
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# [19:58] <edmorley> khuey: mozilla-central lgtm (usual caveats about grey builds apply) :-)
# [19:58] <@ehsan> smontagu: ping
# [19:58] <Standard8> jtcranmer: yeah, but this one needs at least two try server runs (FF & TB), and some tweaks to get it right
# [19:59] <@khuey> edmorley: cool
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# [19:59] <@bz> jdm: not sure that would be any better
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# [20:00] * edmorley wishes phx would get better soon, so he can mark this mornings merge and still have hair left at the end of it :-(
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# [20:01] <@khuey> alright, lets try this whole 2010 thing again
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# [20:02] <edmorley> I put my 2010 mozconfig in, I put my 2010 mozconfig out, in out, in out, clobber it all about....
# [20:02] <catlee> a clobber file would mkae this so much nicer
# [20:03] <@bz> We turn the perf around
# [20:03] <@bz> btw
# [20:03] <@bz> with 2010....
# [20:03] <@bz> may we be able to pgo libmozjs
# [20:03] <@bz> ?
# [20:03] <@khuey> clobbers away
# [20:03] <@bz> aye aye, mateys
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# [20:03] <@khuey> and here we go
# [20:03] <@khuey> bz: in theory, yes
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# [20:04] <@khuey> the jseng folks were kind of opposed last time we had that convo
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# [20:04] <@bz> hm
# [20:04] <@bz> interesting
# [20:04] <@bz> I wonder why
# [20:04] <@bz> I mean... I can understand them being wary
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# [20:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a54f31fa1efd - Kyle Huey - Bug 563318: Work around what appears to be a compiler bug. r=bz
# [20:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5b0900b3e71c - Kyle Huey - Bug 563318: Switch to MSVC 2010 on trunk. r=ted
# [20:06] <ShareBird> gavin: ping
# [20:06] <gavin> ShareBird: pong
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# [20:06] <@bz> jdm: ping
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# [20:06] <jdm> bz: pong
# [20:07] <@bz> jdm: so a pb question
# [20:07] <ShareBird> gavin: about this discussion: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/browse_thread/thread/86d6adcd1d567f64# Should I file a follow up bug from the original one?
# [20:07] <@bz> jdm: say you have a tab
# [20:07] <@bz> jdm: you load a page
# [20:07] <@bz> jdm: with subframes
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# [20:07] <@bz> jdm: then you navigate to some other page
# [20:07] <@bz> jdm: then you turn on pb for that tab
# [20:07] <@bz> jdm: then you click the "back" button
# [20:07] <@bz> jdm: what should happen wrt pb mode of the subframes?
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# [20:08] <jdm> bz: so, point 1 is that we've been talking about not exposing any UI for per-tab browsing
# [20:08] <@bz> ok
# [20:08] <@bz> that's somewhat tangential
# [20:09] <gavin> ShareBird: sure
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# [20:09] <ShareBird> gavin: how do I mark a bug as "follow up"??? :-)
# [20:10] <gavin> ShareBird: no need to do anything special, you can just mention the old bug in a comment
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# [20:10] <@bz> jdm: the question is what behavior should be on bfcache navigations
# [20:10] <jdm> bz: so the problem is that after going back, the subframe docshells wouldn't have pb mode toggled by default?
# [20:10] <ShareBird> gavin: ok. Thank you
# [20:10] <@bz> jdm: well, not with your patch as written
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# [20:11] <@bz> jdm: because of your change to RestoreFromHistory
# [20:11] <@bz> jdm: I'm trying to figure out whether we should just remove that hunk
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# [20:15] <blizzard> jorendorff: are you the guy who would disable those new JS features in beta?
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# [20:15] <blizzard> jorendorff: I want to make sure your're in the loop for stuff
# [20:16] <jorendorff> i am that guy
# [20:16] <blizzard> jorendorff: ok!
# [20:16] <blizzard> you will have mail
# [20:16] <blizzard> like a boss
# [20:16] <jorendorff> great
# [20:16] <blizzard> and a bug
# [20:16] <jorendorff> ok!
# [20:16] <blizzard> ^5
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# [20:17] <gcp> I don't need an r= to backout my change I presume
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# [20:17] <@bz> jdm: you there?
# [20:17] <jdm> bz: yes
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# [20:18] <@bz> jdm: so what behavior are you after here?
# [20:18] <jdm> bz: it seems to me like we would want the subframe to be in PB mode
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# [20:19] <@bz> jdm: ok, thanks
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# [20:22] <edmorley> gcp: the commit hook doesn't need bug number or r= if the message starts with 'back...' iirc
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# [20:22] <edmorley> (just needs a hash or bug number after backout / backed out etc)
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# [20:27] <blizzard> jorendorff: ok you've got bug
# [20:27] <jorendorff> thanks
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# [20:31] <jdm> hurley: you can change the mime type of attachments from the details page
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# [20:41] <gcp> to which talos test does "Trace Malloc MaxHeap" correspond?
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# [20:41] <Ms2ger> ehsan, so did you like http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/editor/libeditor/html/nsHTMLEditor.cpp?mark=4350-4350,4365-4365#4344 ? :)
# [20:42] <lsblakk> be gentle: http://crashopensource.blogspot.com/2012/02/autolanding-your-patches-to-try-via.html
# [20:42] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: OMG this is awesome :))
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# [20:42] <lsblakk> autoland (to try) is open for business
# [20:43] <Ms2ger> lsblakk, for non-employees?
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# [20:43] <lsblakk> if your bugzilla account is the same as the account you use to push to try (ie: you have try push permissions) then you _should_ be able to use it
# [20:43] <lsblakk> please try, and let me know what happens :)
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# [20:44] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: I'm assuming that you've already filed the bug?
# [20:44] <Ms2ger> I haven't
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# [20:46] <mbrubeck> Ms2ger: And with blame of hg@1, nice.
# [20:46] <jdm> lsblakk++
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# [20:46] <lsblakk> mjessome++
# [20:46] <Ms2ger> Let's try this
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# [20:50] <sfink> Oh, cool, so if I just add whiteboard updates to |bzexport --new|, I won't need to touch bugzilla at all!
# [20:50] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: are you going to? ;)
# [20:50] <Ms2ger> ehsan, nah, I just filed yesterday's already :)
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# [20:51] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: I'll file a bug then (if I can get to bmo :/)
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# [20:52] <Ms2ger> lsblakk, when should I expect a try push for bug 723232?
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# [20:52] <mbrubeck> Why is Nightly using >100% CPU when I open https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound ?
# [20:53] <philor> gcp: none, it's part of the debug build
# [20:53] <jdm> sfink: have you pushed your changes to the official bzexport yet?
# [20:53] <sfink> jdm: you think I should go ahead? I've still been trickling in small fixes over the last few weeks, though I suppose I haven't broken the original functionality. Er... more than once or twice, anyway. :)
# [20:53] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: that is not a supported website
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# [20:54] <jdm> heh
# [20:54] <lsblakk> Ms2ger: i believe it should take ~10-15 mins for a bug to be picked up by the poller and then a push attempt's response returned
# [20:54] <jdm> sfink: I'm inclined to say go for it. I want to build off your changes to add a feedback flag
# [20:54] * Ms2ger impatiently awaits
# [20:54] <sfink> ok. blame=jdm
# [20:54] <mbrubeck> Closing the tab fixed it; loading it again started thrashing the CPU again. After restarting the browser and loading the page it seems fine. :/
# [20:55] <@ehsan> sfink: now that you're here, any news on the js profiler? :)
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# [20:55] <jdm> lazyweb: what should I call a bugsahoy category that includes Core: General and other similarly uncategorizable components?
# [20:55] <Ms2ger> "Unowned"
# [20:56] <sheppy> "spam"
# [20:56] <sfink> ehsan: the underlying functionality is going through review, and I'm spending lots of time fixing things up for that.
# [20:56] <jdm> keep in mind that the name should make sense in the question "Are you interested in X"
# [20:56] <gcp> philor: oh, how do I get that result locally then?
# [20:56] <sheppy> "The most awesomest bugs you'll ever see"
# [20:56] <jdm> :D
# [20:56] <@khuey> bz: https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/722282/msvc-2010-appears-to-miscompile-cssparserimpl-parseproperty-during-the-profiling-run-of-a-pgo-build
# [20:56] <Ms2ger> X := "something"
# [20:56] <sfink> "raw sewage"?
# [20:56] <@khuey> bz: tracking in 723197
# [20:56] <@ehsan> sfink: cool! any rough ETA?
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# [20:57] <Ms2ger> It's sicking!
# [20:57] <sicking> jst: ping
# [20:57] <sfink> ehsan: sometime next week, I'd guess, though the biggest piece is yet to be formally reviewed and Luke's already suggested some... not so minor changes.
# [20:57] <philor> gcp: search devmo for, um, leak or alloc or maybe tracemalloc, dunno if that's from it or not
# [20:58] <gcp> lol
# [20:58] <jdm> maybe I'll go with Engine Internals
# [20:58] <@ehsan> sfink: wow that is awesome! I was thinking how many months in my mind!
# [20:58] <@ehsan> BenWa: ^
# [20:58] <gcp> I was reading through the docs already but couldn't match most of it to that test result
# [20:58] <@bz> khuey: thanks!
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# [20:58] <@khuey> bz: we'll see what happens
# [20:58] <Ms2ger> jdm, "[sniffing] glue"?
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# [20:59] <BenWa> sfink: Did you manage to integration with my piece and the get it working with the front end? I'd really love to see that
# [20:59] <BenWa> integrate*
# [20:59] <sicking> Ms2ger: indeed :)
# [20:59] <sfink> BenWa: sorry, no, never got back to that. Soon. I think.
# [21:00] <@bz> khuey: indeed
# [21:00] <BenWa> sfink: Alright, let me know if you need any help at all with that. I pushed that change you wanted to the extension for libc
# [21:00] <@bz> khuey: a question
# [21:00] <sfink> thanks
# [21:00] <@bz> khuey: will pushing m-c to try now use the new compiler?
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# [21:00] <@khuey> yes
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# [21:00] <BenWa> We've got some improvements planned to the front end as well so things will get incrementally better
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# [21:01] <BenWa> sfink: So I though there was some technical limitation we had to wait for ion monkey. Are those resolved now?
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# [21:03] <@khuey> jlebar: did we accidentally make FallibleTArray infallible for a bit?
# [21:03] <jlebar> khuey, Yes.
# [21:03] <Ms2ger> khuey, fun, isn't it?
# [21:04] <@khuey> jlebar: ok, that explains the crashes in the stuff I explicitly made fallible :-P
# [21:04] <jlebar> khuey, There's a test now.
# [21:04] <@khuey> woo!
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# [21:06] <cers> Ms2ger: if you look closely, can you spot anything wrong with the line you commented on earlier? for (let i = rangeCount - 1; i >= 0; --i) {
# [21:07] <Ms2ger> Is this a trick question? :)
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# [21:08] <cers> Ms2ger: it might be - but I sure don't see it. when I compile with that, I get: JavaScript error: chrome://browser/content/preferences/cookies.js, line 615: missing ; after for-loop initializer
# [21:08] <Ms2ger> Eh
# [21:08] <cers> Ms2ger: if I change obj-ff-dbg/dist/NightlyDebug.app/Contents/MacOS/chrome/browser/content/browser/preferences/cookies.js to var and run, it works. if I then change back, it *STILL* works
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# [21:08] <Ms2ger> Lovely
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# [21:09] <Ms2ger> But no, I don't see anything
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# [21:09] <Wes--> wierd! cers - what browser? bleeding edge firefox?
# [21:09] <lsblakk> Ms2ger: glitch in the bugzilla API, slow server, we're back
# [21:10] <cers> Ms2ger: even if I copy the file out, change to var, run, copy back, it still works. (yeah - I've tried it twice now)
# [21:10] * @khuey wonders what makes somebody call blog.mozilla.com the "propoganda blog" and then expect a real response
# [21:10] <lsblakk> great timing, eh?
# [21:10] <Ms2ger> lsblakk, :)
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# [21:10] <Wes--> cers: any change JS_SetVersion() is wrong for your context?
# [21:10] <Wes--> s/change/chance/
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# [21:10] <Ms2ger> Any lets in that file?
# [21:10] <cers> lsblakk: yes, nightly (from yesterday)
# [21:10] <philor> who broke android-xul on inbound?
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# [21:11] <Ms2ger> philor, and who cares? :)
# [21:11] <kwierso> not it
# [21:11] <@khuey> mbrubeck cares!
# [21:11] <cers> Ms2ger: no
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# [21:11] <Wes--> I think they destroy Android Xul in Ghostbusters IV
# [21:11] <Ms2ger> cers, use var, then :)
# [21:11] * mbrubeck will put his money on wesj then...
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# [21:11] <cers> Wes--: not sure - but if I change it back to let, then it works again. As long as I've run it with var once
# [21:11] <wesj> me?
# [21:12] <cers> Ms2ger: will do
# [21:12] <philor> yeah, guess he's in the pool too
# [21:12] <mbrubeck> wesj: Should https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b35af982b085 have a change in embedding/android too?
# [21:12] <wesj> mbrubeck: oh crap. yep
# [21:12] <Wes--> cers: interesting, is this in global scope or inside a function?
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# [21:13] <cers> Wes--: inside a function
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# [21:13] <cers> I know, right?
# [21:13] <cers> now I'm compiling with var, to check.
# [21:13] <Wes--> Yeah, that's totally whacked. Might want to ask in #jsapi
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# [21:15] <wesj> philor, mbrubeck|away: patch in bug 721080, but feel free to back out if it helps...
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# [21:19] <wesj> philor: thanks :(
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# [21:21] <philor> mbrubeck|away: the secret to not getting the CPU pegged is to use Chrome
# [21:21] <decoder> what kind of crash pattern is 0x5a5a5a5a ?
# [21:21] <Mook_as> firebot: tell decoder about 0x5a5a5a5a
# [21:22] <firebot> Mook_as: told decoder
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# [21:22] <Ms2ger> Double free
# [21:22] <Ms2ger> Who needs firebot for that?
# [21:22] <decoder> :D thx
# [21:22] <jhammel|lunch> Ms2ger: he was faster :P
# [21:22] <decoder> im only used to 0xdada for double fre
# [21:22] <decoder> *e
# [21:22] <decoder> but thats JS specific i guess
# [21:23] <Mook_as> oh, I don't even remember what it was, just that firebot knows (and therefore I don't have to)
# [21:23] <decoder> thx =)
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# [21:24] <@bz> double-free isn't a crash.... on Mac. ;)
# [21:24] <Ms2ger> lsblakk, ah, look, it pushed my patch three times
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# [21:25] <sfink> BenWa: (re waiting for IonMonkey) with some help, I kind of bluffed my way through. It will sometimes have to return a failure code because things are in an inconsistent state.
# [21:25] <lsblakk> Ms2ger: the good news is you have permission to use the autoland tag
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# [21:25] <BenWa> Great :D
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# [21:25] <BenWa> sfink: Will it be linux only?
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# [21:26] <edmorley> lsblakk: does it look at just patch attachee, or the person who added the whiteboard annotation? (just thinking of when I go through checkin-neededs)
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# [21:26] <Ms2ger> edmorley, attachee, or r+ by committer
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# [21:27] <sfink> BenWa: No, it'll "work" everywhere. But on unsupported platforms, it won't interleave the frames; it'll just give all JS frames, then all native frames. And initially, all platforms will be unsupported until you install libunwind (for non-Windows) or I get around to implementing that piece of the Windows support.
# [21:27] <Mook_as> double-free can be a not-crash on windows... if you're not using jemalloc and have got windows into the "work around your broken apps" mode where it never frees anything ;)
# [21:27] <mjessome> Ms2ger: yeah, we hit a snag in the backend. Since one of our pushing tools hit that snag, the backup tool picked it up. It's not normal for that to happen.
# [21:28] <BenWa> Sounds great
# [21:28] <Ms2ger> mjessome, oh, I totally thought that was a *feature*! ;)
# [21:28] <edmorley> Ms2ger: thanks :_)
# [21:28] <Ms2ger> edmorley, http://crashopensource.blogspot.com/2012/02/autolanding-your-patches-to-try-via.html
# [21:29] <lsblakk> Ms2ger: I hope you'll cancel all but one of those runs :)
# [21:29] <@khuey> Mook_as: that sounds lovely
# [21:29] <Ms2ger> Oh, that's an idea
# [21:29] <mjessome> I cancelled the first two.
# [21:29] <lsblakk> Ms2ger: ^^
# [21:29] <Ms2ger> Ta
# [21:29] <Ms2ger> I was about to cancel the last two :)
# [21:29] <jhammel|lunch> double-free? :P
# [21:30] <mjessome> Ms2ger: yes, instead of testing your patch just once, we'll automatically test 3 times! ;)
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# [21:30] <Ms2ger> mjessome, and with a bit of luck, you'll go green on each Android test at least once!
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# [21:30] <sfink> |hg bzexport --new| and |hg newbug| are now live at http://hg.mozilla.org/users/tmielczarek_mozilla.com/bzexport
# [21:31] <Ms2ger> Oooh, hg newbug
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# [21:31] <sfink> it randomly perturbes your hg installation to introduce a new bug
# [21:31] <sfink> *perturbs
# [21:31] * jhammel|lunch sues for the code lifted from http://k0s.org/mozilla/hg/bzconsole
# [21:32] <sfink> I'll give you 120% of damages
# [21:32] <BenWa> Glad to see it merged with bzexport. I've been using it with much success
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# [21:33] <sfink> it=bzconsole? I think it still has a bunch of stuff that's not in bzexport
# [21:33] <edmorley> !seen bsmith
# [21:33] <firebot> bsmith was last seen 19 hours, 30 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying 'Thanks' in #developers.
# [21:33] <jhammel|lunch> well, not much valuable
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# [21:33] <jhammel|lunch> OTOH it is a free-standing program
# [21:33] <BenWa> I meant the new feature feature
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# [21:33] <gaston> does hg newbug do what i think it does ?
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# [21:34] <Ms2ger> sfink, hg newbug is when you don't want to attach a patch?
# [21:34] <jhammel|lunch> makes coffee? yes
# [21:34] <BenWa> new bug feature*
# [21:34] <jhammel|lunch> vs. the new feature bug? :P
# [21:34] <@khuey> heh
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# [21:35] <@khuey> people think that Widgets is a spec that people might implement
# [21:35] <@khuey> that's cute
# [21:35] <sfink> Ms2ger: yes. I've been using it to file all my new bugs recently.
# [21:35] <Ms2ger> khuey, but Opera did it first!
# [21:35] <mbrubeck> khuey: "people" meaning "people besides Opera"? :P
# [21:35] <jdm> bz: so it looks like the only implementor of nsILoadContext is nsDocShell, so I don't need to make any change besides move the attribute to nsILoadContext?
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# [21:36] <WeirdAl> blizzard: how exactly will Map/Set be turned off for FF 12?
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# [21:36] <decoder> any idea why a breakpad minidump from crashreporter would say crash address is 0x0 but in gdb, it shows up as 0x5a5a5a.. ?
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# [21:37] <Ms2ger> decoder, opt vs debug
# [21:37] <decoder> Ms2ger: same build
# [21:37] <Waldo> WeirdAl: patch commenting out the relevant lines to initialize the binding, no biggie
# [21:37] <decoder> same binary
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# [21:37] <Ms2ger> Boo
# [21:37] <decoder> im just enabling/disabling crash reporter using env
# [21:37] <Ms2ger> sfink, how does <choose-from-menu> work?
# [21:37] <WeirdAl> :( I was hoping it could be reactivated by a preference or an import of some kind.
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# [21:38] <edmorley> jwatt, mccr8: thanks for marking your bugs, had been busy during today
# [21:38] <sfink> Ms2ger: If you leave it alone when you save that file out and quit your editor, it'll give you a text menu prompt
# [21:38] <mccr8> edmorley: no problem. :)
# [21:38] <Ms2ger> Aha
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# [21:39] <Ms2ger> sfink, Reviewer: would be ":ehsan"?
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# [21:39] <sfink> Ms2ger: yep, that'll work
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# [21:39] <sfink> (if it's ambiguous, it'll give you a menu for that too)
# [21:39] <Ms2ger> Hmm
# [21:40] <Ms2ger> Maybe sorting the menu would be helpful :)
# [21:40] <@ehsan> sfink: reviewer for what?
# [21:40] <sfink> Which one? product, component, reviewer, ...?
# [21:40] <Ms2ger> Product/component
# [21:40] <sfink> ehsan: Ms2ger's playing with hg bzexport --new
# [21:40] <@ehsan> ok
# [21:40] <Ms2ger> Ah
# [21:41] <Ms2ger> sfink, it didn't assign the bug to me
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# [21:41] <sfink> should it?
# [21:41] <Ms2ger> If I'm attaching a patch, I'd say yes
# [21:41] <sfink> Hm. That's true.
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# [21:42] <sfink> Ok, file a feature request form 7882, be sure to remember to fill in the credit card code from the back of the card
# [21:42] <Ms2ger> (Bug 723252, looks good otherwise)
# [21:42] <gaston> does it absolutely need a firefox profile with bugzilla creds, or setting it in .hgrc is enough ?
# [21:43] <Ms2ger> hgrc should work, I think
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# [21:43] <gaston> ('coz my hg trees are on headless remote boxes :)
# [21:43] <sfink> yes, [bzexport] username and optionally password should work
# [21:43] <gaston> great
# [21:43] <Ms2ger> Ah, Fx10 made /.
# [21:44] <decoder> what component is mozilla::image::RasterImage? imagelib?
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# [21:45] <@bz> decoder: yes
# [21:46] <decoder> bz: thx
# [21:46] <decoder> incoming bug :D
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# [22:00] <jlebar> In a totally clean debug build, image/test/reftest/pngsuite-basic-n/* fails fairly consistently. Joe, is that somehow expected? (Like, do we not run these tests or something?)
# [22:00] <jlebar> by "fairly consistently," I mean, most of the tests fail, and those which do fail, always fail.
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# [22:02] <akeybl> jlebar: philor: any concern with the orange on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Beta&rev=ee7378639638 ?
# [22:02] <akeybl> about to send out the beta 1 go-to-build
# [22:02] <jlebar> akeybl, which orange, the reftest failures?
# [22:02] <philor> conveniently, I just finished 3.75 hours of starring the overnight failures on inbound, and opened beta up :)
# [22:03] <philor> oh, native android will need some hiding, not all the suites actually work for it
# [22:03] <jlebar> akeybl, It may be prudent to wait for a fully-green run of beta before you give go-to-build. Is that not SOP?
# [22:04] <philor> it is not, not at all
# [22:04] <philor> never understood why, but it isn't and hasn't ever been
# [22:04] <jlebar> That makes just about zero sense.
# [22:04] <akeybl> jlebar: no - we typically go out with representative green on builds/tests
# [22:04] <joe> jlebar: that is not expected
# [22:05] <joe> jlebar: what sort of differences are you seeing?
# [22:05] <jlebar> What does "representative green" mean?
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# [22:05] <philor> hell, we shipped whatever that chemspill was last summer with unfiled and unknown failures, reftests I think
# [22:05] <jwatt> edmorley: no probs
# [22:05] <jlebar> joe, for your reftest-analyzer pleasure: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471360
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# [22:06] <mbrubeck> !seen josh
# [22:06] <firebot> josh was last seen 3 hours, 25 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying 'jlebar: can you file a bug?' in #developers.
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# [22:06] <akeybl> jlebar: it doesn't have a set definition - typically a tradeoff of how far we are in the TBPL build versus how much it would slip our release (Friday)
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# [22:06] <ted> argh
# [22:06] <mbrubeck> Inbound and mozilla-central have a merge conflict between josh and snorp.
# [22:06] <ted> i should just switch to chrome
# [22:06] <ted> so i can have a usable web browser
# [22:07] <mbrubeck> snorp: If josh doesn't show up, could you give the merge a try?
# [22:07] <jlebar> akeybl, That's really nuts, but I guess I can't complain, since I'm the one who burned the tree all day.
# [22:07] <philor> ted: do it, it's awesome
# [22:07] <philor> the only thing I miss is three-finger scroll to the bottom of the page
# [22:08] <jlebar> philor, that doesn't work in Firefox in 10.7, anyway.
# [22:08] <jlebar> akeybl, Anyway, to answer your question, I'm not concerned by the leak in winxp debug. Still retrieving the linux debug log.
# [22:08] <jlebar> akeybl, You'd have to ask philor about those Android opt reftest failures.
# [22:08] <jlebar> Looks like infra.
# [22:08] <ted> there's some kind of dramatic irony in you spending all your time dealing with tbpl, using chrome
# [22:09] <joe> jlebar: what happens if you change gfx.color_management.mode to 0?
# [22:09] <akeybl> jlebar: not nuts, we always have a fallback which is to respin
# [22:09] <philor> akeybl: gimme about 10 minutes, you're probably due for caffeine or food by now, right?
# [22:09] <akeybl> if it's between not shipping friday, and building what we have, I'll go with building what we have
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# [22:09] <akeybl> philor: :) in a meeting
# [22:09] <jhammel> ted: is it still unusable in Fx?
# [22:09] <ted> jhammel: not AFAICT
# [22:09] <akeybl> philor: thanks for taking a look
# [22:09] <jhammel> i have mostly had luck, fwiw
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# [22:09] <philor> tell 'em I said you should leave!
# [22:10] <jlebar> akeybl, I have no idea if the linux m1 debug failure is known or not, but it looks unrelated to what I pushed.
# [22:10] <philor> jlebar: I got it covered, don't sweat it
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# [22:10] <jlebar> philor++
# [22:11] <philor> here's a fun question: how would you tell whether or not Android C1 was permaorange on a particular tree?
# [22:11] <mbrubeck|away> retrigger it about 10 times, that usually works
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# [22:11] <philor> yeah, it's really only 50% on native, but it sure feels like more
# [22:11] <jlebar> Ask someone to plug the tegras back in?
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# [22:13] <jlebar> joe, Already set, surprisingly enough.
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# [22:13] <nemo> huh. that's a moderately disturbing "known issue" in the release notes
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# [22:14] <@khuey> nemo: hmm?
# [22:14] <jlebar> joe, ah, that was it! Bizarre.
# [22:14] <nemo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573369
# [22:14] <jlebar> joe, thanks!
# [22:14] <nemo> khuey: wondering if that's why a coworker had reported that "firefox wouldn't start anymore"
# [22:14] <nemo> (they'd given up and used chrome)
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# [22:14] <@khuey> interesting
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# [22:15] <nemo> noticed it on http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/10.0/releasenotes/
# [22:16] <philor> akeybl: go, that's as good as the code on that branch can do :)
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# [22:16] <nemo> heh. I wonder why the release notes use a white text shadow on a white background :)
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# [22:17] <akeybl> philor: no concerns?
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# [22:17] <philor> akeybl: none, all known, just not all starred yet
# [22:17] <akeybl> thanks philor!
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# [22:21] <Callek> o wait, we switched to MSVC2010 again?
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# [22:37] <RyanVM> khuey: how often do windows pgo builds run on m-c?
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# [22:38] <Callek> RyanVM: 3-hour intervals, iirc
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# [22:38] <Callek> RyanVM: I can verify if you want
# [22:38] <RyanVM> tbpl would show when one is building, yes?
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# [22:38] <RyanVM> because the last one I see was around 3am PST
# [22:39] <Callek> *that* (tbpl) I don't know for sure how to check
# [22:39] <philor> 6 on m-c, and no, they don't show until they are finished
# [22:39] <Callek> philor: ooo right, 3 was only m-i, right?
# [22:39] <philor> pretty sure so, yeah
# [22:40] <philor> though now "3am" is making me wonder if I'm right
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# [22:40] <Callek> well today some buildbot masters were restarted, so its theoretically possible the scheduler that does pgo got reset
# [22:41] <philor> RyanVM: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=c538da196e34 - "started 6:00"
# [22:41] * Callek isn't 100% sure how that works
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# [22:41] <RyanVM> philor: was going off "Wed Feb 1 03:00:33 2012 PST"
# [22:41] <@khuey> RyanVM: out of curiosity, when was the last time you did a PGO build with msvc 2010?
# [22:41] <Callek> ooo started at 6, yea that would mean that there is probably one still running...
# [22:41] <RyanVM> khuey: every day
# [22:41] <RyanVM> basically
# [22:41] <philor> so one will have started on whatever was tip at noon, and will show up when it finishes, around 3pm
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# [22:41] <RyanVM> I haven't seen the crash you were talking about
# [22:42] <@khuey> interesting
# [22:42] <@khuey> do you do 64 bit builds?
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# [22:42] <RyanVM> no
# [22:42] <@khuey> very interesting
# [22:42] <RyanVM> I also stopped using --enable-optimize
# [22:42] <Callek> RyanVM: what OS are you doing the builds *ON*?
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# [22:42] <RyanVM> win7 sp1
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# [22:42] <Callek> yea, our build machines do it ON w2k3, ;-)
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# [22:43] <Callek> I would be *shocked* if that matters
# [22:43] <Callek> but then again MS has been known to shock me with weird bug deps before
# [22:43] <RyanVM> khuey: the only issues I've seen are bug 617819 (waiting on a tinderbox pgo build to see if happens there too) and bug 721284 with JS PGO enabled
# [22:43] <RyanVM> I also use the Win7 PSDK
# [22:43] <RyanVM> v7.0A
# [22:44] <@khuey> Callek: I reproduced it locally on Win7
# [22:44] <Callek> khuey: ooo, then I'm out of ideas
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# [22:44] <RyanVM> well, if it's a PGO issue, any change from default could be tickling it
# [22:44] <RyanVM> and I do disable a few things that normally get built (safe browsing, parental controls, etc)
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# [22:45] <@khuey> the --enable-optimize thing seems the most likely
# [22:45] <@khuey> the crash was during the profiling phase
# [22:45] <@khuey> bholley: good news!
# [22:45] <bholley> khuey: hm?
# [22:46] <RyanVM> khuey: Callek: Here's the .mozconfig I'm using currently - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471384
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# [22:47] <@khuey> bholley: that crash we were looking at in paris
# [22:47] <@khuey> bholley: it's not your fault
# [22:47] <@khuey> bholley: and we fixed it
# [22:47] <Callek> hrm, maybe debug-symbols caused PGO to act smarter
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# [22:47] <bholley> khuey: \o/
# [22:47] <bholley> khuey: what was it?
# [22:48] <@khuey> bholley: looks like a compiler bug
# [22:48] <@khuey> bholley: even in msvc 2010
# [22:49] <RyanVM> Callek: Yeah, PGO is so fragile, it's hard to say what's making my builds happy and not yours
# [22:49] <bholley> khuey: what's the fix?
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# [22:49] <RyanVM> firebot bug 617819 has been annoying (and worrying)
# [22:49] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=617819 nor, --, nobody, NEW, warning C4789: destination of memory copy is too small in nsCSSScanner.cpp
# [22:49] <@khuey> bholley: turning off optimization on the relevant function
# [22:50] <bholley> khuey: which function, OOC?
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# [22:52] <bholley> khuey: bug #?
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# [22:52] <@khuey> 563318
# [22:52] <@khuey> in so far as this happened in a bug
# [22:53] <@khuey> which isn't very far
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# [22:54] <RyanVM> khuey: I'm doing a new build right now which will include your 563318 fix. It'd be interesting if the nsCSSScanner.cpp warning goes away
# [22:54] <@khuey> that would be quite curious
# [22:55] <@bz> there was a patch in a bug
# [22:55] <@bz> and a review in a bug
# [22:56] <@bz> that's pretty in-a-bug-ish
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# [23:02] <MikeK> bbondy> ping
# [23:02] <bbondy> MikeK: pong
# [23:03] <MikeK> bbondy: I would like to hear if you can help me with a review of the nsIdleService, mainly focusing on the codingstandard?
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# [23:04] <bbondy> MikeK: I can do a pass on it, I don't think I can do an r+ but I can for sure do an initial review.
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# [23:05] <MikeK> bbondy: that will be a help :) I had it reviewed, but the reviewer could R+ it on the coding standard aspect of it - I
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# [23:05] <bbondy> np just request the review on the patch and I'll do it
# [23:05] <MikeK> thanks
# [23:07] <philor> khuey: what knob on bug 696591 did you intend to twiddle, when you accidentally hit the WFM knob instead?
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# [23:08] <@khuey> philor: that's what I meant to do
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# [23:09] <@khuey> philor: we haven't seen it since mid december
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# [23:09] <philor> khuey: ah, seemed sort of odd to get mail about an instance of it, and 3 minutes later it was WFM
# [23:09] <@khuey> philor: except on that try push that was on top of a cset from dec 7th
# [23:10] <@khuey> philor: well I got that mail and then was wondering why that was still open
# [23:10] <@khuey> cause we fixed what we thought was causing it back then
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# [23:10] <NeilAway> bz: we currently have strict file origin, right? does that mean that <a href=..> should fail to work in a file?
# [23:10] <RyanVM> how often is m-c merged to m-i? (to pick up the VC10 switch, for example)
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# [23:13] <edmorley> RyanVM: typically after the merge the other way (if there has been anything on m-c since last merge in), but this morning I unfortunately had non-mozilla work being annoying and now there are apparently merge conflicts that I think mbrubeck was getting the patch authors to look at
# [23:14] <jlebar> Where's our canonical bugzilla testing instance?
# [23:14] <gavin> landfill.mozilla.org
# [23:14] <RyanVM> landfill.m.o?
# [23:14] <RyanVM> edmorley: yuck
# [23:14] <jlebar> Which of the eight bugzilla instances there is ours?
# [23:14] <gavin> there's also https://bugzilla-stage-tip.mozilla.org/ for bmo-specific stuff
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# [23:14] <mbrubeck> josh: ping
# [23:14] <jlebar> gavin, aha, that's what I wanted. Thanks!
# [23:15] <josh> mbrubeck: in a meeting for 30 more mins
# [23:15] <mbrubeck> okay
# [23:15] <gavin> ooh browserid
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# [23:16] <luke> ooh, browserid indeed
# [23:16] <Mossop> gavin: Only if you don't have certain privileges I think
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# [23:17] * edmorley sends his apologies to anyone who has CC addition/removal notification still enabled in bugzilla prefs, for having mass removed CC from a few hundred mozilla11/mozilla12 bugs
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# [23:17] <edmorley> (marking bugs after merges has meant a lot of dud CCs to bugs that then swamp my inbox when it comes to QA following up ; have now switched off auto-CC on comment, so shouldn't have to bother people again)
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# [23:19] <jdm> lsblakk: ping
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# [23:19] <lsblakk> jdm: pong
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# [23:20] <jdm> lsblakk: I have a patch that failed to apply with autoland, but it applies just fine locally on m-c tip
# [23:20] <jdm> bug 722840
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# [23:20] <lsblakk> jdm: that's a 'fail to push' not a 'fail to apply'
# [23:20] <jdm> oh
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# [23:20] <lsblakk> so a potential hg issue
# [23:21] <lsblakk> jdm: sorry, there's no useful info as to why it failed to push
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# [23:24] <Standard8> I just saw:
# [23:24] <Standard8> hg pushremote: Connection closed by 63.245.209.160
# [23:24] <Standard8> abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
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# [23:24] <Standard8> but it was fine straight after
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# [23:24] <lsblakk> thanks Standard8 good to know
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# [23:30] <jhammel> is try really slow today?
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# [23:35] <gcp> its dead
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# [23:37] <nthomas> indeed, IT are looking
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# [23:40] <josh> mbrubeck: what's up?
# [23:40] <blassey> is there anything wrong with try right now?
# [23:41] <blassey> pushing to ssh://hg.mozilla.org/try/
# [23:41] <blassey> remote: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
# [23:41] <blassey> abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
# [23:41] <blassey> I'm getting:
# [23:41] <@khuey> hg is dead
# [23:41] <blassey> oh, that's lovely
# [23:41] <@khuey> not the word I would have chosen
# [23:41] <philor> wait, you were pushing to *try*?
# [23:41] <@khuey> but to each his own
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# [23:42] <RyanVM> khuey: c:\mozbuild\mozilla-central\layout\style\nscssparser.cpp(1094) : warning C4748: /GS can not protect parameters and local
# [23:42] <RyanVM> variables from local buffer overrun because optimizations are disabled in function
# [23:43] <@khuey> that's pretty fascinating
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# [23:43] <RyanVM> not unexpected I guess
# [23:43] <Waldo> eit
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# [23:43] <@khuey> I'm surprised optimizations need to be on for stack cookies
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# [23:43] <blassey> philor: yes, pushing to try
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# [23:43] <Waldo> maybe the method could be further subdivided to more narrowly define the range for where the problem is
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# [23:44] <jhford-buildduty> heads up that we are experiencing some HG issues right now
# [23:44] <jhford-buildduty> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723299
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# [23:44] <Waldo> hg.mozilla.org has been a bit mercurial lately
# [23:44] <RyanVM> har
# [23:44] <catlee> har har har
# [23:45] <@khuey> Waldo: do you still work in MV?
# [23:45] * jhford-buildduty changes topic to 'm-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN there are possibly issues with hg (723299)|| Next aurora uplift: 13th March || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [23:45] <jhford-buildduty> I've been told that http clones should still work, aside from try, so we shouldn't see redness caused by this
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# [23:46] <catlee> khuey: why, you gonna smack him?
# [23:47] <@khuey> I want to know if I'm going to be safe from that in SF
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# [23:48] <gavin> khuey: do oyu know where you're going to live?
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# [23:48] <@khuey> no
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# [23:51] <Waldo> khuey: MV, yeah; I should visit SF more often, tho
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# [23:51] <Waldo> khuey: but if you think you can escape it in SF, you should be aware that jhammel is in that office
# [23:51] <gavin> khuey: where are you living temporarily?
# [23:51] <Waldo> khuey: the scylla of dolske and me, the charybdis of jhammel
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# [23:52] <@khuey> gavin: some place on nob hill
# [23:52] <@khuey> Waldo: jhammel is probably in a different part of the office
# [23:52] <Waldo> IRC is everywhere
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# [23:53] <Waldo> get used to disappointment
# [23:54] <@khuey> /ignore is a beautiful thing
# [23:54] <Mossop> khuey: Actually jhammel sits fairly close to you
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# [23:54] <Waldo> ahahahaha
# [23:55] <@khuey> gavin: http://bit.ly/xHiePe
# [23:55] <@khuey> Mossop: fuck
# [23:55] <@khuey> maybe I should go straight to that "get a cabin the woods in Montana and never come out" plan
# [23:55] <gavin> khuey: looks fancy
# [23:55] <Mossop> Perfect, then I can carry on using your desk when I go in on Tuesdays
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# [23:56] <@khuey> gavin: it's the temporary housing our relocation people book
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# [23:56] * @khuey has no idea if it's fancy or not
# [23:56] <@khuey> it should be for the price :-P
# [23:56] <nemo> bz: that nglayout.debug.paint_flashing is nifty
# [23:56] <@bz> nemo: oh, we have working paint flashing again?
# [23:56] <nemo> bz: like. I enabled it. hit a site w/ a hidden spinner, and was boggled that the hidden spinner kept endlessly flashing :)
# [23:56] <@bz> nemo: heh
# [23:56] <gavin> bz: bas fixed it in november
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# [23:57] <@bz> gavin: oh, right
# [23:57] * @bz was there!
# [23:57] <@bz> nice
# [23:57] <@bz> it's not in all.js? :(
# [23:57] <gavin> yeah we should do that
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# [23:57] <nemo> ah. I see. the spinner has z-index: -1 - but does not have visiblity: hidden, so it keeps flashing to repaint that area even though it is totally invisible
# [23:57] <@bz> please
# [23:58] <gavin> khuey: can take the cable car to work!
# [23:58] <@khuey> ha
# [23:58] <nemo> hm. I can use this lil' thingy to make sites more efficient :)
# [23:58] <@khuey> that will be fun
# [23:58] <@bz> nemo: hmm. I wonder whether we can optimize that a way with display-list-based invalidation....
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