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# Session Start: Thu Feb 02 00:00:00 2012
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# [00:02] <nemo> bz: http://m8y.org/tmp/dl.dropbox.com/u/2549950/Gifs2.html - psychadelic w/ nglayout.debug.paint_flashing;true :D
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# [00:02] <nemo> bz: that was a test page for firefox animating large sets of gifs really slowly :)
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# [00:03] <nemo> but. yeah. not like it can avoid that if the gif is *visible* :)
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# [00:03] <nemo> only optimisation would be maybe doing all the same gifs at same time or something
# [00:04] <nemo> yeah. that flag is just fun.
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# [00:04] <nemo> my fav debug eva
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# [00:06] <@khuey> gavin: oh, you weren't kidding, I really could take the cable car most of the way
# [00:07] <gavin> yeah, not sure how practical that is
# [00:07] <@khuey> me neither
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# [00:07] <gavin> kind of an awkard location for public transit
# [00:07] <gavin> should just get a bike or something :)
# [00:07] <nemo> bz: heh. there's somewhere else the flashing spinner shows up
# [00:07] <@khuey> yeah
# [00:07] <nemo> bz: go to Help->About
# [00:07] <nemo> the check for updates spinner flashes endlessly even if it says "up to date"
# [00:07] <nemo> :)
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# [00:07] <nemo> I wonder if that one is set to display: none;
# [00:08] <gavin> that probably uses a deck
# [00:08] <nemo> bz: 'cause I set "visibility: hidden" on that other spinner I found, and it made it stop flashing
# [00:08] <nemo> gavin: yeah. that's what the first one did - z-index
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# [00:08] <nemo> gavin: out of sight is apparently *not* out of mind :)
# [00:08] <gavin> yeah: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/aboutDialog.xul#87
# [00:08] <RyanVM> from the Fx10 /. thread: "If it was called FireAsaDotzler I'd be 100% behind it." - Ouch
# [00:08] <gavin> there are actually three animating images
# [00:10] <Mossop> Oof, I thought we'd fixed that problem with decks
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# [00:11] <@khuey> lol
# [00:11] <nemo> hm. w/ the spinner on the web page, only reason it had a z-index: -1 was due to the transition. if visibility: hidden; is added as well, that probably will still work just fine and satisfy firefox' determination to render invisible gifs
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# [00:12] <gavin> repainting for things hidden in decks is a bug we should fix
# [00:12] <gavin> can you file it?
# [00:12] <nemo> gavin: what about the webpage variant? :)
# [00:12] <nemo> also a bug?
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# [00:12] <gavin> sure
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# [00:12] <nemo> wheeee bugs bugs bugs
# [00:12] <nemo> and I can finally file from here since the javascript bug on core/firefox bugs was fixed
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# [00:13] <nemo> gavin: Graphics ?
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# [00:14] <Mossop> See also https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=560067
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# [00:15] <nemo> Mossop: oh. that actually seemed fixed... I guess it depends on circumstance.
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# [00:15] <gavin> nemo: probably layout
# [00:15] <gavin> cc roc
# [00:15] <nemo> Mossop: I inspected in firebug and added visibility: hidden; and the flashing stopped
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# [00:22] <nemo> gavin: heh. also, the spinner had opacity: 0 - pretty sure there's no way animation of a gif styled to opacity: 0 should require paint updates :)
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# [00:22] <edmorley> josh: .... mbrubeck: Inbound and mozilla-central have a merge conflict between josh and snorp.
# [00:22] <edmorley> mbrubeck: Inbound and mozilla-central have a merge conflict between josh and snorp.
# [00:22] <edmorley> oh fail
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# [00:23] <edmorley> ... mbrubeck: snorp: If josh doesn't show up, could you give the merge a try?
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# [00:25] <nemo> gavin: http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase237.xhtml - testcase for 2nd bug
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# [00:27] <nemo> oops. need to tweak the zindex
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# [00:28] <josh> edmorley, mbrubeck: how exactly can I help you?
# [00:28] <josh> I just don't totally understand the request here
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# [00:28] <mbrubeck> josh: You and snorp landed changes on m-c and inbound (respectively) that conflict with each other.
# [00:28] <mbrubeck> Merging inbound and mozilla requires manual conflict resolution.
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# [00:29] <mbrubeck> I could try to resolve the conflicts, but I'm not confident in doing it correctly. If you or someone else who knows the code could merge m-c and m-i (and push the result to m-i) it would be much appreciated.
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# [00:30] <mbrubeck> The conflict is in dom/plugins/base/nsPluginInstanceOwner.cpp; other files all merged automatically, though you might want to glance and see that the auto-merge was correct.
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# [00:32] <josh> I am have team work week meetings for the next couple of hours, I'd really prefer not to be the person who does this at least until that is over. If this is urgent I can take some time out to figure it out.
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# [00:33] <mbrubeck> josh: It would be nice to have sometime today so that m-i can be merged to m-c tomorrow morning. Aside from that, not terribly urgent.
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# [00:33] <@ehsan> anybody here who knows cmake?
# [00:33] <mbrubeck> If there's someone else who knows this code well enough to merge these two patches and check for correctness, that would be good too.
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# [00:34] <mbrubeck> ah, snorp might be volunteering. :)
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# [00:34] <@khuey> ehsan: bjacob?
# [00:34] <@ehsan> khuey: he's not around
# [00:34] <@khuey> ah
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# [00:36] <mreid> Unfocused, ping
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# [00:37] <Unfocused> mreid: pong
# [00:37] <mreid> Unfocused, you requested that "hasBinaryComponents" for Addons be added to the Metrics Data Ping
# [00:37] <mreid> I don't see that in the docs, or in the addons themselves returned from AddonManager - where do I get it?
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# [00:38] <Unfocused> oh.. i forgot to add that to the docs, sorry
# [00:38] <@roc> mbrubeck: why not just back snorp out of inbound?
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# [00:38] <Unfocused> it should be on the Addon objects returned by AddonManager (but only for extensions - where addon.type == "extension")
# [00:39] <snorp> yeah, that's one way to go
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# [00:39] <nemo> roc: hey. don't blame me for CCs - gavin told me to do it!
# [00:39] <snorp> mbrubeck: I don't have confidence that I can do this without breaking something, so maybe backing me out and merging is best
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# [00:39] <nemo> I blindly obey orders in this channel. usually.
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# [00:39] <snorp> and then I can rebase on my own time
# [00:39] <mbrubeck> roc: I'd feel kind of bad for the fellow... this patch has already been backed out twice. :P
# [00:39] <@roc> I thought that was the default approach to fixing inbound problems ... back stuff out of it until the problems go away :-)
# [00:39] <snorp> though this means flash isn't going into nightly :(
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# [00:39] <@khuey> roc++
# [00:39] <mreid> Unfocused, cool, I'll check. thanks!
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# [00:40] * mbrubeck wishes for a Bugzilla extension that will alert people when a patch in another bug is about to conflict. :P
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# [00:41] <@khuey> mbrubeck: how many false positives are you willing to accept? :-D
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# [00:41] <mreid> Unfocused, one other thing - do you know why some addons return empty string for "version"?
# [00:42] <Unfocused> mreid: some addons or some extensions?
# [00:42] <nemo> khuey: all it has to do is apply all unapplied patches every time a new patch is uploaded right? surely that wouldn't take that long? :D
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# [00:42] <Unfocused> lightweight themes are managed by the addons manager, and they have no version
# [00:42] <mreid> Unfocused, looks like (for me), only ones of type "plugin", but not all of them
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# [00:42] <@khuey> nemo: well I was just going to mark all patches as conflicting with one another
# [00:43] <nemo> hehe
# [00:43] <Unfocused> yea, and plugins. some plugins will have it, some won't
# [00:43] <@khuey> which is why I asked how many false positives he'd accept
# [00:43] <mreid> ok, cool
# [00:43] <mreid> thanks again
# [00:43] <Unfocused> n/p :)
# [00:43] <nemo> interesting how some sites flicker longer after reload than others (w/ that paint flashing) I guess those are ones w/ more reflow issues?
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# [00:49] <tan> Is there a reason why nightly has prompted me to update four times in the past 2 hours?
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# [00:50] <verty_> I have a quick question about tinderbox builds, they seem to have numbers attached but these numbers don't seem to mean anything, they are not build numbers. I think tinderbox builds are trigged by bug patches being submitted, but I'd like to link a particular build to the output of tests that were run on it
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# [00:57] <verty_> ok, I've answered my question. The text file contains a revision number
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# [01:11] <edmorley> $ inbound-outstanding
# [01:11] <edmorley> 67
# [01:11] <edmorley> going to be a monster merge tomorrow
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# [01:11] <@khuey> ha
# [01:12] <@khuey> how many of those are backouts?
# [01:12] <mbrubeck> About to be one more, I think...
# [01:12] <jhammel> 68 :P
# [01:12] * mbrubeck is preparing a backout of the flash patch to avoid the merge conflict
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# [01:12] <edmorley> khuey: ha, 10
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# [01:14] * edmorley must not forget the clobber of inbound
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# [01:14] <mbrubeck> hmm, this backout did not actually fix the merge conflict
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# [01:16] <edmorley> mbrubeck: surely mercurial will just see it as the file being edited twice, so you still need to resolve, except now you know you can ignore the local copy when merging into m-i?
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# [01:16] <mbrubeck> Not sure, checking...
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# [01:19] <mbrubeck> Oh, it was never snorp's patch that conflicted at all.
# [01:19] <jdm> you folks are fantastic
# [01:19] <mbrubeck> It's a conflict between Bas and josh
# [01:19] <jdm> just for the record
# [01:19] <snorp> yay!
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# [01:19] <snorp> flash wins again!
# [01:19] <mbrubeck> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/67b0e13d7a62 and https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/15b00ab7f22d are the two conflicting patches.
# [01:20] <jhammel> snorp: what is this flash patch all about?
# [01:20] <mbrubeck> roc: Which one should we back out? You reviewed both. :P
# [01:20] <snorp> jhammel: adds support for it on android 4.0
# [01:21] <jhammel> snorp: ah, cool
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# [01:21] <Bas> mbrubeck: The merge should be trivial.
# [01:21] <@roc> mbrubeck: don't we always back out of inbound?
# [01:21] <mbrubeck> Bas: Would you like to do it?
# [01:22] <@roc> inbound is the rubber, central is the road
# [01:22] <mbrubeck> Bas: It's just a few lines in nsPluginInstanceOwner::UseAsyncRendering but I don't quite trust myself to do it.
# [01:22] <mbrubeck> roc: Yeah, I wouldn't generally back something out on central without a better reason than this.
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# [01:36] <@khuey> so, is it known that things like hulu are totally broken now?
# [01:37] <kwierso> khuey: do you have any extensions that implement content security policies?
# [01:37] <@khuey> I have adblock
# [01:37] <@khuey> so maybe
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# [01:37] <kwierso> bug 723154
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# [01:38] <Bas> mbrubeck: If I can help do the merge and don't get backed out I will :)
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# [01:39] <mbrubeck> Bas: Thanks! :)
# [01:39] <Bas> mbrubeck: I'm still hanging on to the belief that mozilla-inbound at least didn't make my life a lot worse ;)
# [01:39] <Bas> mbrubeck: Let me know what you want me to do exactly :) Best is probably if I just tell you if what you made of UseAsyncRendering is alright?
# [01:39] <mbrubeck> Bas: After staring at the code some more, I think I could do the merge myself, but I'll still feel better if you do it.
# [01:39] <mbrubeck> Bas: Sure, that'll work.
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# [01:40] <Bas> mbrubeck: If it's easier for me to pastebin the new function or something I can do that?
# [01:42] <@khuey> nthomas++
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# [01:43] <Jesse_> uh oh, i can't run debug builds from tinderbox on my windows 7 computer now. "The program can't start because MSVCR100D.dll is missing from your computer."
# [01:43] <RyanVM> khuey: Well, the good news (k, not really the right term) is that the build warning shows on tinderbox now too
# [01:43] <mbrubeck> Bas: Yes, pastebin is fine.
# [01:43] <@khuey> RyanVM: at least you're not crazy
# [01:43] <RyanVM> always a good thing :P
# [01:44] <RyanVM> and at least it's not an artifact of my specific build config
# [01:44] <RyanVM> (like the JS PGO issue)
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# [01:49] <Bas> mbrubeck: I didn't check if it compiles but I believe this is what you'll want: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471594
# [01:49] <Bas> (I don't have m-c checked out sadly)
# [01:51] <mbrubeck> Bas: Okay, looking
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# [01:52] <blassey> mbrubeck: dropping the OS restriction for the bug 719560 went green on try
# [01:52] <rniwa> sicking: hi
# [01:52] <blassey> can you re-review?
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# [01:53] <blassey> also, does anyone know if there is a hook to trigger a clobber when you push?
# [01:53] <blassey> we talked about adding one, I can't remember what the resolution was
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# [01:55] <philor> blassey: there isn't, so far the resolution is "we'll just keep talking about how nice it would be"
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# [01:55] <mbrubeck> blassey: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717372
# [01:56] <jhammel> i actually need a "don't clobber on try" hook...fat chance, i know
# [01:56] <philor> that would be tricksy
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# [01:56] <jhammel> indeed :(
# [01:56] <darktrojan> ha ha, I want one of those too
# [01:56] <catlee> how would that work?
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# [01:56] <philor> since you basically mean that you want to check out some build slaves for a while
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# [01:56] <jhammel> unfortunately i have a buildsystem bug that only appears on non-clobber builds
# [01:57] <jhammel> and never for me locally :(
# [01:57] <philor> I guess you could do it one-time, just build the tip of m-c and then build the push
# [01:57] <jhammel> namely "leaktest.py.in should not be interpolated"
# [01:57] <jhammel> philor: that would work
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# [01:58] * jhammel thinks
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# [02:04] <dougt> someone needs to do a "shit mozilla developers say"
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# [02:04] <dougt> Asa: ^
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# [02:06] <Jesse_> how would that be different from http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/top ?
# [02:06] <mbrubeck> ARGH!!
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# [02:07] <mbrubeck> vim segfaulted while I was doing the the nsPluginInstanceOwner.cpp merge. :(
# [02:07] <mbrubeck> I don't think vim has ever segfaulted on me before.
# [02:07] <@roc> it's a curse
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# [02:09] <mbrubeck> ah, "hg merge -t internal:merge" is closer to what I want.
# [02:09] <Jesse_> when vim segfaults, its modes can escape and start affecting real life
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# [02:20] <mbrubeck> Merged!
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# [02:20] <mbrubeck> Thanks Bas!
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# [02:27] <Bas> mbrubeck: Thank you!
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# [02:29] <mbrubeck> Today we all learned a lesson. mbrubeck learned how to hate "hg merge" slightly less.
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# [02:30] <mbrubeck> snorp learned that the third time really is the charm.
# [02:30] <snorp> heh
# [02:30] <mbrubeck> philor learned that he's still the only one who remembers when inbound needs to be clobbered.
# [02:31] <johanc> this might be a ridiculously silly question but here goes.
# [02:32] <johanc> When I'm running qdiff on my patch the diff does not include my test
# [02:32] <johanc> what am I doing wrong? :D
# [02:33] <philor> hg st will tell you that you didn't yet hg add it, probably
# [02:33] <mbrubeck> johanc: Did you "hg add" the test file?
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# [02:33] <johanc> uh, no
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# [02:38] <johanc> mbrubeck: mind blown, I don't know how I could've missed that, thanks :)
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# [02:43] <jlebar> Wow, check out that coding style in nsWebBrowser.cpp
# [02:43] <jlebar> It's a beautiful mashup of gnu, Mozilla, three-space indents, and cat-walked-over-my-keyboard.
# [02:44] * philor looks for the style
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# [02:45] <rnewman> three spaces: proving that compromise is always possible
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# [02:46] <jlebar> I particularly like http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471663
# [02:46] <johanc> oi, don't leave the four-space indents out of this
# [02:46] <jlebar> "Why yes, I indent for no reason. What are you going to do about it, buster?"
# [02:47] <philor> something's wrong with aurora
# [02:47] <mccr8> jlebar: woah, the nesting increases as the nesting increases.
# [02:47] <philor> oh, it's too damn green
# [02:47] <jlebar> lol
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# [02:47] <johanc> that pastebin has 2, 4 and 5 space-indents :D
# [02:47] <johanc> that's brilliant
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# [02:48] <johanc> :D
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# [02:48] <johanc> NS_ERROR_OUT_OF_MEMORY is fitting in a way
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# [02:53] <johanc> Waldo: "I seem to recall there was once a Mozilla developer who used Fibonacci indentation in C/C++ code."
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# [02:53] <Waldo> yeah, I was kinda echoing that claim
# [02:54] <johanc> from wikipedia
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# [02:54] <philor> NS_ERROR_OUT_OF_INDENT_SPACE pretty quickly, I'd think
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# [02:54] <Waldo> feature?
# [02:55] <philor> probably claimed as one, yeah
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# [02:55] <johanc> you have divided by indents
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# [03:28] <njn> bz: ping
# [03:29] <njn> mounir: ping
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# [03:30] <njn> anyone who knows about nsIContent::mPrimaryFrame: ping
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# [03:33] <@bz> njn: ack
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# [03:34] <@bz> "what did I break this time?"
# [03:34] <njn> bz: does nsIContent own the mPrimaryFrame?
# [03:34] * njn is working on memory reporters again
# [03:34] <njn> i.e. should nsIContent::SizeOfExcludingThis() measure mPrimaryFrame or ignore it?
# [03:34] <@bz> njn: no
# [03:35] <njn> so ignore?
# [03:35] <@bz> njn: we're already counting the mPrimaryFrame in the presshell arenas
# [03:35] <@bz> njn: ignore
# [03:35] <njn> great, thanks!
# [03:35] <@bz> njn: no problem
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# [04:00] <njn> bz: ping again
# [04:00] <fabrice1> arg, is there a way to edit a commit message on inbound afterwards?
# [04:02] <Mossop> Not if you've pushed already (apart from backing out and landing again)
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# [04:07] <njn> fabrice1: bug XXXXX, LOL
# [04:07] <fabrice1> njn: :(
# [04:08] <njn> fabrice1: eh, it happens
# [04:08] <@bz> njn: unpong? ;)
# [04:08] <Mossop> Everyone has done it
# [04:08] <njn> bz: I worked it out, thanks :)
# [04:08] <@bz> njn: ok
# [04:09] <njn> Mossop: I've never written "bug XXXXXX" :)
# [04:09] <@bz> fabrice1: backing out and relanding with a better commit message is not a terrible idea, fwiw
# [04:09] <Mossop> Maybe not that specifically, but some equally bad mistake
# [04:09] <@bz> fabrice1: speaking as someone who often finds himself looking at blame
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# [04:10] <fabrice1> bz, yep, gonna do that
# [04:10] <njn> hmm, good suggestion
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# [04:10] <njn> bz: you need to look at blame? you don't know the codebase as well as I thought...
# [04:10] <njn> :P
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# [04:13] <@bz> njn: heh
# [04:13] <@bz> njn: we have a _lot_ of code
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# [04:14] <@bz> njn: and sometimes I know what code is there but not _why_
# [04:14] <@bz> on which note, it's bedtime
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# [04:16] <philor> fabrice1: for the extra-practiced, "I push with bad commit messages all the time" technique, you can actually back out and then repush in the same push, so you only trigger one more set of builds instead of two
# [04:17] <fabrice1> philor: oh sure, clowshoes all the way...
# [04:17] <fabrice1> not my day
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# [04:20] <darktrojan> [mq] fixforchumps.diff
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# [04:40] <jdm> njn: smartmake actually supports a MOZ_OBJDIR environment var
# [04:40] <njn> jdm: does that override what's in the .smartmake file?
# [04:40] <jdm> njn: yes
# [04:40] <jdm> at least, it should
# [04:41] <njn> jdm: ok, that sounds good
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# [04:41] <njn> jdm: you say |smartmake.py '5 minutes ago' | to get it running
# [04:41] <njn> after that, can I just to |smartmake.py|?
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# [04:42] <jdm> njn: do a full build, then make an uninteresting change in some file and run smartmake '5 minutes ago'
# [04:42] <jdm> and after that no timestamps are required
# [04:43] <jdm> I haven't come up with a good way to seed it besides this yet
# [04:43] <njn> jdm: if I omit the timestamp on the first run what happens?
# [04:44] <jdm> njn: it will complain that it doesn't have a timestamp
# [04:44] <jdm> njn: you might also be able to seed it with something like '10 hours ago' and just experience a slightly longer first build
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# [04:45] <njn> jdm: maybe on the first run it should just do a full build?
# [04:45] <jdm> that... is a good idea
# [04:45] <njn> save you having to choose/specify the time?
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# [04:45] <jdm> I feel silly for not thinking of it
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# [04:46] <njn> jdm: no need to feel silly!
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# [04:50] <njn> jdm: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471842
# [04:50] <njn> top half is my .smartmake file
# [04:50] <njn> bottom half is an error message I got when I ran "smartmake.py '5 minutes ago'"
# [04:50] <jdm> uh oh
# [04:50] <njn> jdm: I'm on Ubunut
# [04:50] <jdm> what's that d64-log?
# [04:51] <njn> find (GNU findutils) 4.4.2
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# [04:51] <njn> d64-log is just a non-repo file
# [04:51] <njn> there were actually heaps of ohter files listed
# [04:51] <njn> 100s or 1000s of them
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# [04:56] <jdm> njn: so, we made smartmake fall over if it finds a modified file in your srcdir that it doesn't understand
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# [04:56] <jdm> that includes anything in the root directory
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# [04:56] <njn> jdm: my objdir is within my srcdir - is that a problem?
# [04:57] <jdm> no, that configuration is fine
# [04:57] <njn> jdm: oh, d64-log is a piped output of the previous build
# [04:57] <njn> I removed that and no longer get the thousands of files listed
# [04:57] <njn> but I still get the "find" warning
# [04:57] <jdm> hmm
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# [04:58] <njn> despite that, it seems to be working -- I just tried changing a single file and rebuilt
# [04:58] <njn> but I still had to specify a timestamp
# [04:58] <njn> and my mozconfig settings weren't respected... I guess that's what "cmd:" is for?
# [04:59] <jdm> precisely
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# [05:00] <njn> jdm: I just tried changing "cmd:" and got this after touching one file:
# [05:00] <njn> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471877
# [05:00] <njn> that was with a '5 minutes ago' timestamp
# [05:00] <jdm> njn: what is d64?
# [05:00] <jdm> is that an objdir?
# [05:00] <njn> yes
# [05:00] <njn> the objdir specified in the .smartmake file
# [05:00] <jdm> ah, yeah
# [05:00] <jdm> oh
# [05:00] <jdm> hmm
# [05:01] <jdm> njn: what's your MOZ_OBJDIR value?
# [05:01] <jdm> or objdir from .smarkmake?
# [05:01] <njn> I haven't set it
# [05:01] <njn> d64 is the objdir specified in the .smartmake file
# [05:02] <jdm> njn: what's the precise value?
# [05:02] <njn> jdm: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471878
# [05:03] <jdm> njn: what happens if you add / after it?
# [05:03] <njn> jdm: I changed the "cmd:" line back to |make -C| and it's working again
# [05:03] <jdm> oh yeah, that will happen
# [05:03] <jdm> it appends the objdir to the end of the make command
# [05:04] <jdm> so your directory was wrong
# [05:04] <jdm> -C should be the last one
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# [05:04] <jdm> these are paper cuts I could probably fix
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# [05:04] <njn> now it's not working again
# [05:04] <njn> even with the |make -C"
# [05:04] <njn> |
# [05:05] <jdm> njn: try d64/ ?
# [05:05] <njn> I did
# [05:05] <njn> and the script handles that anwya
# [05:05] <jdm> njn: also try using = instead of :
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# [05:06] <njn> still bad
# [05:06] <njn> hmm, '1 minute ago' worked
# [05:07] <jdm> njn: what happens now if you modify a file, use smartmake, modify another, and use smartmake again?
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# [05:07] <njn> now it's not working again :(
# [05:08] <jdm> ugh
# [05:08] <njn> adding -f worked, this time
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# [05:08] <njn> what's it do? usage message doesn't say
# [05:08] <jdm> there was something to be said for the very dumb implementation that previously existed
# [05:08] <jdm> njn: -f runs the build it wants to run, regardless of whether it thinks it should
# [05:09] <jdm> njn: what happens if you rename to obj-d64 ?
# [05:09] <njn> now just "smartmake.py" (no -f, no timestamp) is working
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# [05:10] <njn> it seems to get confused if I run it two times close together, and needs some time to pass before it starts working again
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# [05:11] <jdm> how odd
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# [05:12] <jdm> I don't understand why it would be finding files in your objdir
# [05:12] <jdm> the find command explicitly ignores that
# [05:12] <jdm> it probably has to do with the warning
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# [05:13] <jdm> njn: what if you modify the find commandd in smartmake to use %s instead of ./%s ?
# [05:13] <jdm> that should eliminate the find warning
# [05:13] <jdm> and I suspect that's why you're seeing problems
# [05:15] <njn> jdm: nope
# [05:15] <jdm> :(
# [05:15] <njn> jdm: I still get "'-name `d64/'' will probably evaluate to false all the time on this system"
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# [05:15] <jdm> hmm
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# [05:16] <njn> ah
# [05:16] <jdm> njn: what if you use -wholename instead of -name ?
# [05:16] <njn> jdm: I moved the '/' appending to after the find command
# [05:16] <njn> the warning has gone
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# [05:16] <jdm> that's a reasonable fix
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# [05:17] <njn> jdm: so, moving the '/'-appending *and* removing the '/'-prepending fixes things
# [05:17] <jdm> yep
# [05:18] <jdm> I suspect -wholename is an easier fix
# [05:18] <jdm> at least, a more well-rounded one
# [05:18] <njn> -wholename didn't seem to work
# [05:18] <jdm> that's odd
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# [05:19] <njn> I just fiddled again, still can't get it working
# [05:19] <njn> adding a '/' to my objdir in the .smartmake file breaks it again, unsurprisingly
# [05:21] <jdm> njn: I've pushed a fix that should negate the / in the objdir problem
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# [05:21] <jdm> and it also runs a full build if there's no cached timestamp
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# [05:24] <njn> jdm: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1471881
# [05:24] <jdm> heh, whoops
# [05:24] <njn> that's on a fresh repo/objdir combination, without giving a timestamp
# [05:24] <jdm> yeah, one moment
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# [05:26] <njn> do we ever create nsDocument objects? Or just subclasses such as nsHTMLDocument and nsXMLDocument?
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# [05:27] <jdm> njn: pull and run
# [05:28] <njn> jdm: now 'objdir' is not defined
# [05:28] <jdm> D:
# [05:28] <njn> line 86
# [05:29] <jdm> I should not be allowed to write code
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# [05:29] <jdm> anyways, fix pushed
# [05:29] <njn> jdm: it's not the writing code that's the problem, it's the lack of testing
# [05:29] <jdm> yeah, that's a fair point
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# [05:30] <njn> seems to be working
# [05:30] <njn> I got a message about needing to re-run configure
# [05:30] <njn> trying a different objdir now
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# [05:31] <njn> it's building, looks reasonable
# [05:32] <jdm> yeah, when I say full build, I mean that I'm just running your make command from the root objdir
# [05:32] <jdm> sorry smartmake has been painful for you
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# [05:33] <njn> jdm: hopefully it'll save me lots of time in the future :)
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# [05:34] <jdm> feel free to send me email if there are further situations that don't work and I'm not around
# [05:34] <jdm> the advantage of github over hg.mozilla.org is the issue tracker there
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# [05:36] <njn> jdm: so the first build in a new objdir is now just like a normal "make", and subsequent ones are smart, correct?
# [05:36] <jdm> njn: correct
# [05:36] <njn> jdm: cool, thanks
# [05:36] <jdm> as long as the objdir exists
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# [05:37] <njn> yep, seems to be working
# [05:37] <njn> jdm: this should let me reduce 40-odd aliases to about 3 :)
# [05:37] <jdm> woo!
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# [05:40] <njn> jdm: it seems to get confused by non-repo files in the srcdir
# [05:40] <njn> jdm: which is annoying, because I tend to have a few of them
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# [05:42] <jdm> njn: hmm. I'm not sure there's any way around that without reducing the performance
# [05:43] <njn> jdm: you'll think of something, I have every faith :)
# [05:43] <jdm> heh
# [05:43] <jdm> I could special case files in the root srcdir, I guess
# [05:43] <jdm> but that scares me a bit
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# [06:23] <njn> jdm: I'm hitting it quite often... I *very* frequently do "hg qdiff > diff" in the srcdir
# [06:23] <njn> jdm: and I often dump logging output to files in srcdir
# [06:25] <njn> jdm: also the output of commands like "hg log" and "hg blame"
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# [06:33] <qheaden> Unfocused: ping
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# [06:33] <jdm> njn: honestly, my suggestion is to dump those files outside of your srcdir
# [06:34] <jdm> or dump them in your objdir instead
# [06:34] <njn> jdm: not gonna do that
# [06:34] <njn> srcdir is the perfect place for them
# [06:34] <Unfocused> qheaden: hey :) i was just about to look at your patch, once i'm done with this review
# [06:35] <jdm> njn: out of curiosity, what do you use the diffs for?
# [06:35] <qheaden> Unfocused: Ha ha. That's exactly what I was going to ask you about. :P
# [06:35] <njn> jdm: um, seeing what the patch contains
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# [06:35] <jdm> njn: also keep in mind that you can use -f to ignore those
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# [06:35] <qheaden> Unfocused: I'm about to go to bed, since it is 12:28 AM where I am at. I'll get your feedback email.
# [06:35] <jdm> njn: I just pipe the output to less instead; it's less messy
# [06:36] <qheaden> Unfocused: This new patch adds the sorting functionality.
# [06:36] <njn> jdm: I view in vim because of the syntax highlighting
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# [06:36] <jdm> ah
# [06:36] <njn> jdm: and I like navigating in vim better than in less
# [06:36] <njn> jdm: tags works, too
# [06:36] <Unfocused> qheaden: yea, sorry for the lag, had a bunch of other things come up
# [06:36] <Unfocused> ok, cool
# [06:37] <qheaden> Unfocused: No problem at all! Thanks for reviewing it.
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# [06:38] <Unfocused> qheaden: just fyi, i'll be away on holiday for most of next week (leaving on Saturday), and won't have internet access
# [06:38] <Unfocused> should be back on Thursday
# [06:39] <Unfocused> er, Saturday NZ time... which is probably Friday for you
# [06:39] <qheaden> Unfocused: OK. Thanks for the info. I'll be working on improvements to the patch, and hopefully some tests. So it might be a while for the next patch anyways. :P
# [06:39] <Unfocused> k :)
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# [06:40] <qheaden> BTW everyone, congrats on the FF 10 release. :)
# [06:40] <Unfocused> if you go have any add-ons manager questions, Mossop or darktrojan should be able to answer them while i'm away
# [06:40] <qheaden> Thanks
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# [06:41] <Unfocused> big change to addon compatibility
# [06:41] <qheaden> Yeah, I've heard.
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# [06:43] <qheaden> Well, off to bed I go. Later everyone. :)
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# [06:43] <Unfocused> night qheaden :)
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# [06:49] <njn> Unfocused: add-on compatibility? all I heard about was the forward button disappearing :(
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# [06:50] <Unfocused> njn: https://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2011/12/12/help-test-default-compatibility-for-add-ons-on-aurora/ and http://theunfocused.net/2011/11/19/solving-firefoxs-add-on-compatibility-problem/
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# [06:50] <njn> Unfocused: I know about the add-on compatibility; most of the discussion on tech sites seemed to ignore it (even though it's a big deal) in favour of discussing the forward button (which is trivial) :/
# [06:50] <Unfocused> not sure if there was something at release-time... i kinda expected to hear more noise from marketing about it
# [06:51] <njn> Unfocused: I think marketing flubbed it badly
# [06:51] <Unfocused> oh, yea :\
# [06:51] <Unfocused> even the release notes list the forward button first
# [06:51] <njn> Unfocused: people have been screaming bloody murder about compat since FF5
# [06:51] <njn> exactly
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# [06:52] <Unfocused> i tried pinging someone from marketing about that and got no response... i should try again
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# [06:52] <glob> it's weird; it was removed because nobody used it; hardly rates a mention
# [06:52] <Unfocused> :)
# [06:52] <njn> Unfocused: I look forward to many comments in the future about how add-on compatibility is still a problem :/
# [06:52] <Unfocused> heh
# [06:53] <glob> Unfocused, binary addons next? :P
# [06:53] <Unfocused> yes, i kinda expect to see a few "news" sites complain about that without actually testing it
# [06:53] <njn> Unfocused: did you hear -- Google Chrome is Awesome!
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# [06:53] <Unfocused> glob: eh, not something i can do much about
# [06:54] <Unfocused> haha
# [06:54] <njn> I saw a nice comment in passing w.r.t. Chrome's marketshare yesterday
# [06:54] <njn> "Google bought their way to #2"
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# [06:54] <Unfocused> heh nice - where was that?
# [06:55] <glob> i heard that google shipped a blank window, and auto-updated it over time to a browser
# [06:55] <njn> glob: so that's why their start-up time is so fast
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# [06:56] <njn> jdm: another one: I often redirect (via 'tee') the output of builds to a file in $srcdir, because it sometimes makes finding the error messages easier
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# [06:59] <glob> Unfocused, http://www.osnews.com/story/25566/Firefox_10_Released got it right
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# [07:00] <njn> yeah, ESR is a big deal too
# [07:00] <Unfocused> glob: pity for the comments
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# [07:01] <njn> Unfocused: I agree with the date-based numbering
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# [07:02] <Unfocused> so do i, but i wouldn't call it important enough to warrant the attention it gets
# [07:02] <njn> Unfocused: it's important precisely because of the attention it gets :/
# [07:03] <njn> Unfocused: sure, it's stupid, but if so many people care then we need to care as well
# [07:03] <Unfocused> "GAH my addon is incompatible after upgrading" "ok, i fixed the addon compatibility problem" "GAH, but the version number!!!!!!"
# [07:03] <glob> njn, i think it's only getting attention because we're not doing silent updates
# [07:03] <njn> glob: that'll help a lot
# [07:03] <njn> glob: though the reputation will take a long time to die off :(
# [07:04] <glob> njn, right; damage has been done
# [07:05] <njn> glob: is there a good reason why the "add an attachment" button is only available in bugzilla when you file a new bug?
# [07:05] <glob> njn, because the ui sucks?
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# [07:05] <njn> glob: so there's no deep reason
# [07:05] <Unfocused> honestly, even if we changed to a date-based versioning system, i think there would still be the same number of complaints
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# [07:06] <glob> njn, there's a few real reasons, mostly due to complications if there's an intermediate page
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# [07:06] <glob> njn, for example changing product, or user matching
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# [07:07] <njn> Unfocused: I think it'll stop a lot of the complaints, though we'll then get ones about changing the numbering scheme so often
# [07:07] <njn> it kills the version inflation complaints dead
# [07:08] <glob> instead of changing the version each release, we should change the numbering scheme each release.
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# [07:10] <njn> glob: Microsoft patented that for Windows
# [07:10] <glob> njn++
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# [09:04] <jdm> man
# [09:05] <jdm> the contributor lifecycle audit is fantastic
# [09:06] <ewong> contributor lifecycle audit?
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# [09:10] <jdm> ewong: http://labs.toolness.com/moz/2011-engagement-audit/
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# [09:12] <glazou> bonjour
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# [09:17] <ewong> jdm thanks..
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# [09:21] <smontagu> what part of "do not reply to this email" is so hard to understand? and when that doesn't work, why is the alternative "reply to smontagu instead"?
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# [09:22] <smontagu> s/smontagu/last guy who commented in the bug/
# [09:22] <cmr> smontagu: that is your punishment for being an evil person
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# [09:25] <smontagu> cmr: apparently so, because the testcase he sent me is اللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِالظَّالِمِينَ
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# [09:27] <smontagu> which means "Allah is well-acquainted with the wrong-doers."
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# [09:28] <ewong> fate
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# [09:31] * glazou sees those beautiful rtl chars with diacritics and is really happy internet standards coudl achieve that
# [09:31] <glazou> could even
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# [09:32] <ewong> smontagu you can read arabic?
# [09:33] <glazou> btw smontagu, my dad and I will localize BlueGriffon in yiddish
# [09:33] <smontagu> ewong: yes, but i don't understand much of what i read
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# [09:33] <smontagu> glazou: א גרויסע שכויח
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# [09:33] <ewong> now I know that's Hebrew
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# [09:33] <smontagu> yiddish actually
# [09:33] <glazou> the last word is hebrew
# [09:34] <smontagu> ewong: I understand two words out of three in that arabic phrase, which is more than average
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# [09:34] <smontagu> glazou: not really, in Hebrew it would be ישר כוח
# [09:34] <ewong> I don't understand any of that.. looked like someone was scribbling and hiccuping at the same time
# [09:34] <glazou> smontagu: the triliteral roots don't help ?
# [09:35] <glazou> ah correct
# [09:35] <glazou> there is one error though
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# [09:37] <glazou> you miss a pasikh under the leading aleph
# [09:38] <smontagu> the pasikh is compulsory?
# [09:38] <glazou> yes
# [09:38] <glazou> otherwise it's not a vowel
# [09:39] <smontagu> אַ
# [09:39] <glazou> right
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# [09:40] <smontagu> glazou: the triliteral roots do help some of the time, but there are a lot of words in arabic with no cognates that I know
# [09:41] <gaston> hah, after posting the firefox 10 releases to openbsd mailing lists, of course i got 'do you have some plans for ESR releases' .......
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# [09:49] <ewong> Pike: network slowness in PHX1 datacenter affecting many sites
# [09:50] <ewong> Pike according to #it
# [09:50] <Pike> thanks
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# [10:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ecc06df9348b - Dão Gottwald - Bug 720985 - Make some tests stop polluting the global scope
# [10:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/262fa8c870d0 - Dão Gottwald - Bug 574971 - Remove WindowDraggingElement's redundant 'window' argument. r=enn
# [10:04] <m_kato> tbsaunde: burning on m-i by your checkin. maybe, you forget ";".
# [10:06] <tbsaunde> m_kato: thanks let me look
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# [10:10] <tbsaunde> m_kato: you mean the windows bustage in configure?
# [10:10] <tbsaunde> that makes no sense to me I didn't touch configure
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# [10:10] <darktrojan> Unfocused, I read your feedback comment, but I don't understand what you want me to do
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# [10:10] <m_kato> e:/builds/moz2_slave/m-in-w64/build/accessible/src/msaa/nsAccessNodeWrap.cpp(565) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before 'if'
# [10:11] <m_kato> need ";" after GetLanguage(language) in nsAccessNodeWrap.cpp
# [10:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1cdef0321abd - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [10:11] <m_kato> tblog is https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9028187&tree=Mozilla-Inbound#error0
# [10:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d8b2e5047c9b - Tim Taubert - Bug 707862 - Reset childCount on SHEntry when all children have been removed; r=smaug
# [10:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/abb0f62c7605 - Tim Taubert - Bug 720697 - Provide internal API to get canvas image data as nsIInputStream; r=khuey
# [10:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e1d850a8ee2e - Diogo Golovanevsky Monteiro - Bug 713383 - Directly viewed images should be printed with a transparent background on the body. r=dao
# [10:11] <tbsaunde> m_kato: oh, thanks
# [10:11] <tbsaunde> let me read that one
# [10:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/29c4463e6a2e - Tim Taubert - Bug 716538 - [New Tab Page] Set to enabled by default on Nightly; r=jaws
# [10:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/faada6fcee1d - Christian Sonne - Bug 388079 - Deleting multiple cookies deletes wrong ones and/or not all selected. r=ttaubert
# [10:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e7f7c1e948ca - Dave Townsend - Bug 635610 - Show the discovery pane's content earlier in the loading process. r=Unfocused, ui-r=limi
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# [10:13] <tbsaunde> m_kato: yeah, ';' is the fix pushing bustage fix now
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# [10:17] <mak> so, apart the bustqge fix, looks like android is completely busted?
# [10:18] <m_kato> mak: android orange is bug Bug 697641's fix?
# [10:18] <mak> m_kato: looks like it is
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# [10:18] <mak> I will back it out
# [10:18] <m_kato> mak: thanks
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# [10:20] <tbsaunde> m_kato: something else broke android right?
# [10:20] <mak> tbsaunde: yep
# [10:21] <tbsaunde> mak: yeah, just looked at tbpl, thanks
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# [10:26] <froydnj|afk> mak: could you please push https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=593599&action=edit (taras has r+'d it)
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# [10:35] <edmorley> closing inbound
# [10:37] <m_kato> tbsaunde: still bustage :-<. https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9028702&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1#error0
# [10:39] <tbsaunde> m_kato: yeah
# [10:39] <froydnj> edmorley: actaully, would you be willing to push https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=593599&action=edit for me?
# [10:39] <tbsaunde> m_kato: I'm pretty sure I know what the fix is but I'll back it out and reland after try
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# [10:41] <m_kato> tbsaunde: please
# [10:41] <tbsaunde> m_kato: yeah, ugh sorry
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# [10:42] <edmorley> tbsaunde: I can backout if that helps? (having to resolve android bustage too)
# [10:42] <edmorley> there also seems to be mw32-ix-slave26 that is bad, not just mw32-ix-slave05
# [10:43] <tbsaunde> edmorley: no, already started unless its easier for you
# [10:43] <mak> edmorley: please backout the android patch, I have some issue here :(
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# [10:44] <edmorley> tbsaunde: I haven't yet, so that's fine with me (tree is closed at the moment, so you will need CLOSED TREE)
# [10:45] <tbsaunde> edmorley: already pushed :)
# [10:48] <edmorley> tbsaunde: that only seemed to back out the very last cset, doesn't the original landing need to come out too?
# [10:48] <tbsaunde> edmorley: yes
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# [10:48] <tbsaunde> I thought backout -r foo -r bar backed both out
# [10:49] <tbsaunde> but I guess not
# [10:50] <tbsaunde> should be fixed no though
# [10:50] <tbsaunde> sorry for all the trouble :<
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# [10:59] <edmorley> tbsaunde: sorry was out of the room - as far as I know that isn't supported, the easiest way for multiple backouts is to use mak's script or else sfink's mercurial extension, then you can $ backout changeset1 changeset2 , (and do things like ranges using a:b) https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Mak77
# [10:59] <mak> provided you don't have the sucking mac version of sed :)
# [11:00] <Cwiiis> Looks like https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d26e8631514c broke android opt - adds a JNI method to AndroidBridge, but only adds the corresponding method to android-xul?
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# [11:01] <mak> Cwiiis:yes, it clearly breaks android (just looking at the tests)
# [11:01] <edmorley> Cww: yeah backing out now (the try run in bug for it was busted too...!?)
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# [11:02] <mak> edmorley: hah, complain, complain loudly in the bug!
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# [11:02] <Cwiiis> Yes, that's definitely worth pointing out...
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# [11:03] <Cwiiis> Though we all make mistakes - sometimes repeatedly :) (and by 'we all', I mean 'I')
# [11:05] <mak> no doubts :)
# [11:06] <edmorley> bah conflicts
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# [11:07] <gaston> firefox-13.0a1.en-US.openbsd5.1-x86_64.tar.bz2 <- feels strange, but it packages fine :)
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# [11:10] <edmorley> going to pull 20289eb83e51 too just to avoid the conflicts
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# [11:14] <edmorley> froydnj: I'll take a look at it when I get a moment, though doing backouts now and then a couple of hours of non-mozilla work that I can't reschedule first, if that's ok?
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# [11:16] <froydnj> edmorley: totally understood, thanks
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# [11:20] <mak> edmorley: I may have solved issues (I hope), can I do aything to help you
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# [11:21] <glazou> wow, I have a crash when I query nsIDOMMozCSSKeyframeRule.cssText
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# [11:22] <edmorley> mak: should be all fixed, have reopened the tree. only thing outstanding is bug 723381 on mw32-ix-slave26 and mw32-ix-slave05
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# [11:22] <edmorley> mak: don't know if clobber would help (just in case)
# [11:22] <edmorley> would you mind having a try at clobbering, whilst I mark the backed out bugs? :-)
# [11:22] <mak> edmorley: hm, I will check if some of those builds were clobbers, and eventually force one
# [11:22] <mak> sure
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# [11:26] <Standard8> mjessome: lsblakk|afk: will autoland work if my bugzilla account is not the same as the account I normally land patches with? Or will it take the user field from the hg headers in the patch?
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# [11:28] <jfkthame> edmorley: win opt build failed on your backout push - i'd guess it needs clobbering
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# [11:29] <mak> edmorley: clobbered slaves 05 and 26
# [11:29] <edmorley> jfkthame: yeah mw32-ix-slave05 is bug 723381 :-)
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# [11:29] <edmorley> mak: awesome, thank you :-)
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# [11:29] <jfkthame> ah, ok
# [11:30] <edmorley> thank you for checking though :-)
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# [11:30] <mak> edmorley: if I should also retrigger let me know, don't want to overlap with you and and up retriggering twice or thrice
# [11:30] <jfkthame> thank _you_ for cleaning up the mess!
# [11:30] <edmorley> mak: good call on asking ; I've just done
# [11:31] <edmorley> hopefully even if the clobber doesn't fix those two, it will slow down their chewing through the jobs
# [11:32] <mak> edmorley: maybe I could merge a9689287ce87 to central?
# [11:32] <mak> ah nevermind
# [11:32] <edmorley> great minds think alike :-)
# [11:32] <edmorley> sorry!
# [11:33] <mak> I'm pretty happy you did, actually :D
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# [11:37] <mak> edmorley: are you about to merge to inbound? I have a patch to push don't want to break your push
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# [11:37] <edmorley> I hadn't queued it yet, so go ahead :-)
# [11:37] <mak> ok ths
# [11:38] <mak> thx
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# [11:46] <@smaug> edmorley: you decided to un-cc from quite a few bug
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# [11:52] <Yoric> In XPConnect, can a nsIVariant be used to pass an array of primitives?
# [11:53] <@smaug> yes
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# [11:54] <edmorley> smaug: (2012-02-01 22:10:45) ***edmorley sends his apologies to anyone who has CC addition/removal notification still enabled in bugzilla prefs, for having mass removed CC from a few hundred mozilla11/mozilla12 bugs
# [11:54] <edmorley> (marking bugs after merges has meant a lot of dud CCs to bugs that then swamp my inbox when it comes to QA following up ; have now switched off auto-CC on comment, so shouldn't have to bother people again)
# [11:54] <edmorley> sorry!
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# [11:55] * edmorley makes a note to schedule his bmo ddos attack twice as often
# [11:56] <edmorley> with even moar IPs
# [11:56] <glob> edmorley, a ha!
# [11:58] <glazou> guys, could you please test http://glazman.org/tmp/cssanim_bug.html , warning it may crash your nightly
# [11:58] <glob> glazou, firefox hung
# [11:59] <glazou> :(
# [11:59] <glazou> ok big bug here
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# [11:59] <glazou> impossible to modify keyframes dynamically in gecko...
# [11:59] * glazou files
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# [12:00] <glazou> thanks glob
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# [12:01] <glob> glazou, bp-9c32ddbf-211f-4d7d-9897-448002120202 fwiw
# [12:01] <glazou> I have a few myself too :-)
# [12:01] <glob> i thought you would, but you never know.. :)
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# [12:03] <darktrojan> yup, that crashes alright
# [12:04] <jprmc> jaws: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377127
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# [12:04] <glazou> yep
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# [12:05] <glazou> glob, darktrojan: what's your test platform?
# [12:06] <darktrojan> linux32
# [12:06] <glob> glazou, osx
# [12:06] <glazou> thanks
# [12:08] <glazou> glob, darktrojan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723446
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# [12:17] <darktrojan> http://i.imgur.com/BAOBB.png
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# [12:20] <cmr> darktrojan: I don't know, let's dive in!
# [12:20] <darktrojan> :D
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# [12:49] <gabor> guys, what's up with mxr?
# [12:50] <gabor> nevermind
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# [13:48] <nemo> gavin: since you seemed interested in the spinners yesterday. another odd one for a small amount of flickering, is microsoft.com
# [13:48] <nemo> gavin: there's one of those slideshow thingies in the upper left
# [13:48] <nemo> well, whenever a slide changes the entire box it is in flickers
# [13:49] <nemo> also happens if you hover over the slideshow controls
# [13:49] <nemo> like, move back and forth between <- || ->
# [13:49] <nemo> gavin: (with nglayout.debug.paint_flashing)
# [13:50] <jorendorff> i don't suppose anyone has seen this test failure before: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9018291&tree=Try&full=1#error0
# [13:50] <jorendorff> REFTEST TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | file:///c:/talos-slave/test/build/reftest/tests/layout/reftests/bugs/379461-2.xhtml | image comparison (==)
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# [13:53] <jorendorff> bug 629416 is awesome
# [13:53] <jorendorff> I can blame *anything* on that
# [13:54] <Tomcat> hey jorendorff i cc'd you to a bug i noticed on crash stats, hope thats ok
# [13:55] <nemo> gavin: another one. http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase228.xhtml uses an animated SVG that is 1500px high. But the entire page endlessly repaints, even if scrolled all the way down, way out of range of the SVG
# [13:55] <nemo> gavin: where nothing animated is visible in the viewport at all
# [13:55] <nemo> I'm guessing maybe due to multiple background images
# [13:55] <nemo> again, nglayout.debug.paint_flashing
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# [13:56] <nemo> hm. if it is multiple background images, I can probably do an exaggerated version of that w/ a tiny animated gif
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# [13:58] <nemo> yep. same result
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# [14:00] <@smaug> who knows about the 'new tab' tab ?
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# [14:01] <nemo> gavin: http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase238.xhtml <- another bug?
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# [14:03] <jorendorff> Tomcat: which one?
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# [14:05] <Tomcat> jorendorff: Bug 723454
# [14:06] <Tomcat> seems most crashes are on firefox 10
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# [14:13] <ewong> khuey ping
# [14:13] <jorendorff> Tomcat: thanks
# [14:13] <@khuey> ewong: pong
# [14:14] <ewong> khuey: according to last night's suggestion, I copied the missing code to nsDOMEventTargetHelper.cpp..
# [14:14] <ewong> khuey: new diff: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1472306, build error: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1472305
# [14:16] <ewong> so I'm guessing I'm missing some code in the .h file?
# [14:16] <@khuey> ewong: uh, yeah, you can't literally copy and paste that in
# [14:16] <@khuey> ewong: you need to merge the bodies
# [14:17] <ewong> oh..
# [14:17] <@khuey> e.g. NS_IMPL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_TRAVERSE_SCRIPT_OBJECTS needs to go in the existing TRAVERSE_BEGIN/TRAVERSE_END macros for nsDOMEventTargetHelper
# [14:17] <@khuey> same for NS_IMPL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_UNLINK_PRESERVED_WRAPPER and UNLINK_BEGIN/END
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# [14:18] <@khuey> and NS_WRAPPERCACHE_INTERFACE_MAP_ENTRY and INTERFACE_MAP_BEGIN/END
# [14:19] <@khuey> also in the header for nsDOMEventTarget.h NS_DECL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_CLASS_INHERITED should be come NS_DECL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_SCRIPT_HOLDER_CLASS_INHERITED
# [14:19] <@khuey> that'll fix the errors about the Trace function
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# [14:24] <ewong> khuey: sorry nsDOMEventTarget.h?
# [14:27] <ewong> khuey a bit confused. do you mean nsDOMEventTargetHelper.h? and in that I have | NS_DECL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_CLASS(nsDOMEventTargetHelper)|
# [14:29] <ewong> khuey and NS_DECL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_SCRIPT_HOLDER_CLASS_INHERITED needs 2 params, right? on is nsDOMEventTargetHelper, is the other nsDOMEventListenerWrapper?
# [14:29] <ewong> afk a bit
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# [14:30] <@khuey> ewong: yes, I do
# [14:30] <@khuey> ewong: and if it's not already inherited then you just want NS_DECL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_SCRIPT_HOLDER_CLASS
# [14:30] <@khuey> my memory is a bit fuzzy
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# [14:32] <Amnesia> question, when I try to run ff 10 I get the following: https://privatepaste.com/4b36b22dee
# [14:32] <Amnesia> every version of ff untill this version works fine
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# [14:33] <Amnesia> note: I tried http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/linux-x86_64/en-GB/firefox-10.0.tar.bz2
# [14:33] <Amnesia> and my system does really run 64 bit
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# [14:41] <Yoric> Amnesia: that is weird.
# [14:41] <Yoric> Does the file exist?
# [14:41] <Amnesia> yep
# [14:41] <Yoric> Let's move this conversation to #firefox, it can be useful over there.
# [14:42] <Amnesia> I could post a strace?
# [14:42] <Amnesia> ok
# [14:44] <mounir> who should be pinged for font-face bugs?
# [14:44] <@khuey> mounir: jfkthame
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# [14:45] <jfkthame> mounir: what's up?
# [14:45] <mounir> jfkthame: CC'd you on the bug
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# [14:46] <jfkthame> ok, thx
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# [15:05] <@bsmedberg> Holy crap, we changed nsIComponentManager?
# [15:05] * @bsmedberg wonders if he reviewed that
# [15:05] <@bsmedberg> apparently I did!
# [15:05] <@khuey> ha
# [15:05] <@bsmedberg> I'm surprised we haven't seen crashes all over the place. But it's at the end of the vtable, so maybe that's why.
# [15:06] <@khuey> yeah
# [15:07] <@bsmedberg> huh, this crash is really weird
# [15:07] <@bsmedberg> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/fd8b940d-c4ba-42e1-bd7e-953d72120202 MSVC agrees with the stack
# [15:07] <@bsmedberg> which just "can't happen"
# [15:10] <nemo> Say, why is it that stuff like: http://thewebrocks.com/demos/cuberollovers/ (accessed from hacks.mozilla.org) shows a vertical scrollbar even though the rotation is horizontal?
# [15:10] <nemo> there should be no reason for the frame to expand, no?
# [15:10] <nemo> I suppose an overflow-x: hidden; could be added, but it seems unnecessary.
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# [15:11] <nemo> (checking in FF13)
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# [15:11] <@khuey> bsmedberg: it doesn't look completely insane
# [15:11] <@khuey> bsmedberg: can OnChannelClosed be called from PPluginInstanceParent's dtor?
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# [15:11] <nemo> gavin: another one that causes the entire screen to flash - http://thewebrocks.com/demos/3D-css-tester/
# [15:12] <nemo> gavin: again, nglayout.debug.paint_flashing;true
# [15:12] <@bsmedberg> khuey: I don't think so
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# [15:13] <@khuey> bsmedberg: hmm, no, it's dtor is trivial
# [15:13] <@bsmedberg> khuey: and it's not a refcounted object, so it shouldn't be in a nsCOMPtr to begin with
# [15:13] <@bsmedberg> there would have to be lots of intermediate steps here...
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# [15:14] <@khuey> ah
# [15:14] <@khuey> interesting
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# [15:15] <glazou> wow
# [15:16] <glazou> is it me or InsertRule in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/style/nsCSSRules.cpp#2107 fails to answer the created rule as in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/interfaces/css/nsIDOMMozCSSKeyframesRule.idl#48 ? :-D
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# [15:17] <Yoric> khuey: be aware, your time is refcounted!
# [15:17] <Yoric> (evil laugh)
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# [15:18] <ewong> khuey: I think that did the trick.. sending to try server
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# [15:19] <@khuey> ewong: cool
# [15:19] <@khuey> Yoric: ha
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# [15:22] <glazou> nm
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# [15:22] <glazou> I should sleep more
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# [15:30] <johanc> should I worry about reporting an odd-ish bug (rare?) bug in Aurora, something I can't reproduce on central?
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# [15:31] <johanc> wrong channel perhaps? :D
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# [15:32] <espindola> I am looking at the idl compiler
# [15:32] <@khuey> well, you should try to figure out if we fixed it on trunk in the last few days
# [15:32] <espindola> and it looks like there is no way to make it print a destructor for an interface
# [15:32] <@khuey> but yes, bugs on aurora are definitely worth reporting
# [15:32] <espindola> is that correct?
# [15:32] <@khuey> espindola: that is correct
# [15:32] <espindola> and intentional?
# [15:32] <@khuey> and intentional
# [15:33] <@khuey> why would you need a dtor for an interface?
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# [15:33] <espindola> khuey: so any code that calls delete on an interface has a bug?
# [15:33] <@khuey> yes
# [15:33] <@khuey> calling delete on an xpcom interface is very very wrong
# [15:33] <johanc> javascript onscroll event, if the window is small enough, odd sort of freeze, the document and interface "crashes", aero shows instead of the document, fixed by closing tab with "ctrl+w"
# [15:33] <espindola> ok, will try to fix that code
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# [15:33] <espindola> khuey: trying to get firofox building with clang again
# [15:34] <espindola> now that we have warning as errors on part of the code
# [15:34] <@khuey> espindola: who is deleting an interface?
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# [15:34] <espindola> this fires all over the place :-(
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# [15:34] <johanc> I'll report a bug, but I have no idea how to describe this in any way that makes sense :S
# [15:34] <espindola> nsGeoPositionIPCSerialiser.h:268:11: error: delete called on 'nsIDOMGeoPositionCoords'
# [15:34] <espindola> khuey: ^
# [15:35] <espindola> will open bugs with the easy bits I already have first and then try to fix that one
# [15:35] <espindola> khuey: thanks
# [15:36] <@khuey> espindola: the comment right above that looks relevant
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# [15:36] <froydnj> the comment is just saying it's fine to not check for nsnull beforehand
# [15:37] <espindola> khuey: is it?
# [15:37] <espindola> they just say that
# [15:37] <espindola> delete null;
# [15:37] <espindola> is ok (which is)
# [15:38] <@khuey> ah, yes
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# [15:39] <espindola> (the problem is every other object :-) )
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# [15:43] <johanc> okay this is really odd, if I only resize the window vertically the entire document goes black, scrollbar "crashes" (either disappears completely or goes black)
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# [15:45] <johanc> title in tab "crashes" and goes transparent (i.e. you see aero in a box inside the tab
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# [15:53] <ted> ugh, hg is having a bear of a time merging some bits of these patches
# [15:53] <ted> i touched stuff in hal/, and someone else added APIs in the meantime
# [15:53] <ted> and it just cannot figure out what to do
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# [15:53] <ted> and KDiff3 makes a mess of it too
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# [16:00] <@bsmedberg> heh, MSVC is trying to load a Linux minidump
# [16:00] <@bsmedberg> that's not going to work so well
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# [16:01] <lurking> latest hourly m-c win32 so, no symbols - but something blew up
# [16:02] <lurking> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-191884a3-9fd4-4efc-b10d-cbc632120202
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# [16:06] <edmorley> kinetik: ping
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# [16:09] <ted> bsmedberg: pretty sure it should be able to read it
# [16:10] <ted> it won't have symbols, clearly
# [16:10] <@bsmedberg> ted: it does read it, but yeah
# [16:10] <ted> but we slot the linux stuff into the same data structures as windows
# [16:10] <@bsmedberg> ted: all we need is a .sym -> .pdb translator, obviously!
# [16:10] <ted> sounds horrible!
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# [16:10] <ted> i think google has PDB writing tools in their binary rewriting project
# [16:11] <@bsmedberg> yum
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# [16:11] <ted> https://code.google.com/p/sawbuck/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsyzygy%2Fpdb
# [16:11] <ted> you'd probably want to convert the DWARF directly to PDB instead, since the sym files don't have any info about variables
# [16:12] <@bsmedberg> yeah
# [16:13] <edmorley> vingtetun: I suspect it may have just been muscle memory (in which case ignore this :-)), but bugs landed on inbound are normally left open until they merge to mozilla-central (the sheriff will close them as part of marking)
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# [16:14] <vingtetun> edmorley: yep, muscle memory and 3am
# [16:15] <edmorley> :-)
# [16:15] <vingtetun> but i will pay attention to it next time
# [16:15] <vingtetun> :)
# [16:15] <edmorley> gave me less to do, so no worries!
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# [16:16] <ewong> ted ping
# [16:16] <@bz> So here's a question
# [16:16] <@bz> say I have this code:
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# [16:16] <@bz> nsAutoPtr<Foo> foo;
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# [16:16] <@bz> Foo* f = new Foo;
# [16:16] <@bz> foo = f;
# [16:16] <@bz> foo = f;
# [16:16] <ted> ewong: pong
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# [16:17] <ewong> ted is bug #722767 a simple change of config.py once bug #688186 is done?
# [16:17] <ted> bsmedberg: that would be kind of crazy, really
# [16:17] <@bz> Should nsAutoPtr deal with this situation, or should the caller?
# [16:17] <@bsmedberg> I'm kinda crazy, sometimes
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# [16:17] <ted> lurking: hourly crash reports are completely useless :-/
# [16:17] <@bsmedberg> MSVC is about 3000% better at doing dynamic symbol loading of minidumps
# [16:17] <ted> bsmedberg: hah
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# [16:17] <ted> bsmedberg: i bet you could produce stripped PDBs without a huge effort
# [16:17] <ted> those are like what you get from microsoft's symbol server
# [16:18] <ted> just function names and unwind info
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# [16:18] <@bsmedberg> yeah
# [16:18] <lurking> ted: yeah, I know, just never saw that many xul.dll faults listed before
# [16:18] <froydnj> bz: would think that nsAutoPtr gets to handle that
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# [16:18] <@bsmedberg> lurking: it's not "faults", it's just a deep stack trace
# [16:18] <ted> bsmedberg: that maps pretty well to what's in the sym files
# [16:18] <lurking> ok
# [16:18] <lurking> I don't know how to repo it either
# [16:19] <@bz> froydnj: well, maybe
# [16:19] <@bz> froydnj: it adds an extra branch to every assignment....
# [16:19] <ted> ewong: yeah, it should mostly just be replacing the hostname
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# [16:19] <ewong> ted ok.. thanks!
# [16:19] <froydnj> the compiler might (mostly?) be able to prove the branch is not needed, though
# [16:20] <ted> ewong: as i mentioned in the bug, you'll have to make sure to accept the new ssh host key as well
# [16:20] <ted> either by manually ssh'ing there or adding it to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
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# [16:20] <froydnj> bz: but yeah, that would be an issue
# [16:20] <ewong> ted right.. will check it out
# [16:20] <ewong> actually, maybe I'll chat with Callek first..
# [16:20] <@bz> bsmedberg: opinions?
# [16:20] * @bz wonders whether nsAutoPtr should just assert in that case or something
# [16:21] <@bsmedberg> bz: hrm, I think an assert is probably worthwhile at least
# [16:21] <@bsmedberg> but I think we should treat it as a bug in the caller
# [16:21] <@bz> bsmedberg: ok
# [16:21] <@bz> bsmedberg: I can do that
# [16:21] <@bz> bsmedberg: MOZ_ASSERT, I assume?
# [16:21] <@bsmedberg> yeah
# [16:22] <@bsmedberg> well, if we can use that in this header
# [16:22] <@bsmedberg> I'm not sure we can
# [16:22] <@bz> gah
# [16:22] <@bsmedberg> so you might have to use NS_RUNTIMEABORT for now
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# [16:22] <@bz> hmm
# [16:22] <@bz> that's not debug-only, right?
# [16:22] <@bsmedberg> correct
# [16:22] <@bz> At that point, why not just silently deal?
# [16:22] <@bsmedberg> hrm
# [16:22] <@bsmedberg> what's the debug-only version...
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# [16:22] <@bsmedberg> NS_ABORT_IF_FALSE, I guess?
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# [16:24] <@khuey> yeah
# [16:24] <@bz> ok
# [16:24] <@bz> I can do that
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# [16:31] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: can you also lookfor libflashplayer.so?
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# [16:31] <@bsmedberg> npwrapper.libflashplayer.so is nspluginwrapper
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# [16:31] <johanc> I've been able to reproduce this bug on release v10
# [16:31] <johanc> working on bugreport
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# [16:32] <jlebar_> bsmedberg, Sure; I'll post in the bug.
# [16:32] <johanc> brb
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# [16:35] <@bsmedberg> hah, 6 "more" weeks of winter
# [16:35] <@bsmedberg> we've barely had winter here to begin with
# [16:35] <mrbkap> Is the android red on inbound safe to land over?
# [16:36] <@bz> bsmedberg: heh
# [16:36] * mrbkap assumes yes.
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# [16:38] <@khuey> what is "winter"?
# [16:38] <jhammel> khuey: in San Francisco, July
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# [16:39] <chewey> bsmedberg: Winter has just begun around here as well (SW Germany). It's sunny and -5°C outside right now, after weeks and weeks of autumny mild weather.
# [16:40] <@bsmedberg> chewey: it was 15C here last week, the kids were running around in sweatshirts (I'm about an hour from where Phil makes his silly predictions)
# [16:40] <@khuey> it was pretty cold when I was in Germany two weeks ago
# [16:40] <@bz> khuey: rain in paris
# [16:40] <@khuey> but my definition of cold is anything below 50F :-P
# [16:40] <@khuey> bz: indeed
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# [16:40] <@bz> khuey: also, c.f. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahbE6bcVf8
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# [16:41] <edmorley> mrbkap: it is a real red
# [16:41] <mak> edmorley: you may have marked Bug 673470 as fixed but has been backed out
# [16:41] <mak> edmorley: though, maybe you are still going up in the list
# [16:41] <edmorley> mak: yeah realised as soon as I pressed submit, but trying to find the backout commit
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# [16:42] <mak> it's some rows above
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# [16:42] <mak> edmorley: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ae2d52111205
# [16:42] <edmorley> wasn't annotated in the bug I don't think
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# [16:43] <edmorley> yeah whoops missed that
# [16:43] <mak> nop, though gcp is here I can throw him something if you wish :p
# [16:44] <edmorley> (in my mental, cross off the original landings of backouts mapping)
# [16:44] <mbrubeck> jmaher: build error on Android (BaseTest.java:58: cannot assign a value to final variable mLogFile)
# [16:45] <jmaher> mbrubeck: yeah, I had fixed that in my testing, but didn't refresh my patch
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# [16:45] <jmaher> mbrubeck: I am fine backing out or pushing a small fix to it
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# [16:45] <jmaher> just double checking the fix
# [16:45] <mbrubeck> thanks
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# [16:53] <jmaher> mbrubeck: can I get a r? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1472451 ?
# [16:53] <mbrubeck> jmaher: r+
# [16:54] <jmaher> mbrubeck: ok, thanks
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# [16:54] <jmaher> pushed
# [16:54] * @khuey would be tempted to give an r- to anyone asking for an r
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# [16:55] <froydnj> khuey: just tempted?
# [16:55] <froydnj> where's the evilness?
# [16:56] <jorendorff> "I sure hope that red is just Android flakiness" --everyone, all the time
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# [16:58] <@khuey> jorendorff: we can put that in dougt's shit mozilla developers say
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# [16:58] <jorendorff> ha! yes
# [16:58] <jorendorff> what a great idea
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# [17:00] <chewey> khuey: Depends a bit on where in Germany you are. Berlin is famous for being pretty darn cold - see MozCamp last year.
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# [17:01] <@khuey> chewey: was in hamburg for a weekend
# [17:01] <jorendorff> "is bugzilla being really slow for you?" #smds
# [17:01] <jorendorff> "i think the spec is wrong" #smds
# [17:01] <@khuey> among other places
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# [17:01] <@khuey> and I thought that was pretty cold :-D
# [17:01] <@khuey> jorendorff: but the spec is wrong!
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# [17:01] <jorendorff> khuey: yeah, it usually is
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# [17:02] <johanc> khuey: I don't know if you remember the bug I described earlier?
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# [17:03] <johanc> khuey: I'm not sure in which component I should report the bug :)
# [17:03] <johanc> file*
# [17:03] <@bz> khuey: the xpidl parser has a method to get COM names from members
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# [17:03] <jhammel> bz: .title()
# [17:03] <@bz> khuey: we got anything like that on the webidl parser?
# [17:03] <Yoric> Do we have developers who know well XPConnect and/or JSAPI in a timezone close to India?
# [17:04] <Yoric> For giving a hand to a student on a promising topic.
# [17:04] <jorendorff> I don't think so
# [17:04] <jhammel> bz: assuming no spaces in the string, otherwise probably something awful like s[0].upper() + s[1:]
# [17:04] <Yoric> Otherwise, I am willing to do it, we only have 4h difference.
# [17:04] <@bz> jhammel: hmm
# [17:04] <@bz> jhammel: I'd prefer the latter, just for clarity. Thanks
# [17:04] <@khuey> johanc: I do not
# [17:04] <jhammel> np
# [17:04] <ted> "will someone back out dougt? he broke the tree again." #smds
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# [17:05] <@khuey> Yoric: email is a wonderful thing
# [17:05] <Yoric> Definitely.
# [17:05] <@khuey> Yoric: also, aren't half of our XPConnect peers in Paris?
# [17:05] <Yoric> But IRC is even more wonderful.
# [17:05] <Yoric> khuey: You have a point.
# [17:05] <chewey> khuey: OK, Hamburg tends to have strong winds from the sea. Considering those cold in winter is perfectly legal. ;-)
# [17:05] <@khuey> bz: no, we don't
# [17:05] <@khuey> chewey: glad to hear :-)
# [17:05] <@bz> khuey: should we?
# [17:06] <@khuey> in the parser?
# [17:06] <@bz> khuey: or will the renaming stuff go in the config or something?
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# [17:06] <johanc> khuey: javascript onscroll event causing document to "crash"/browser rendering to freeze, ideas? :)
# [17:06] <@bz> khuey: well, depends
# [17:06] <@bz> khuey: on where renaming info goes....
# [17:06] <@khuey> I think the codegen side makes more sense
# [17:06] <@bz> ok
# [17:06] <@khuey> johanc: 626963?
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# [17:06] <@khuey> or something similar
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# [17:08] <johanc> khuey: core - layout, I'll try that, cheers
# [17:08] <johanc> khuey: looks like a related issue
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# [17:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/411f1ddbccb9 - Armen Zambrano Gasparnian - Bug 719567. expand talos.json to support pageloader.xpi. r=jmaher
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# [17:13] <fabrice|zZz> bz, about your comment in bug 708484 : where can I look for the sanitizing algorithm that makes window.location different from the document URI ?
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# [17:19] <mw22> mats, ping, what is the pref for turning on font inflation?
# [17:19] <@bz> fabrice: nsLocation::GetHref ?
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# [17:31] <edmorley> kinetik: ping
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# [17:32] <mats> mw22: there are two: font.size.inflation.emPerLine and font.size.inflation.minTwips
# [17:32] <mats> mw22: see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/base/nsLayoutUtils.cpp#4642
# [17:32] <mbrubeck> You can turn on font inflation by setting either or both of those >0
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# [17:32] <mbrubeck> By default we only set minTwips.
# [17:33] <mw22> ok, thanks
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# [17:35] <mats> (just to clear: the default on desktop is zero for both - that is, it's disabled)
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# [17:40] <johanc> I've filed a bug in core - layout, do I need to CC someone or anything similar? :)
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# [17:41] <mrbkap> philor: at least I didn't add to it this time!
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# [17:43] <philor> always best to just be an innocent victim
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# [17:49] <jorendorff> Is there a kind of add-on that lives in its own compartment?
# [17:50] <jorendorff> bsmedberg: ^ (please direct me to the right person)
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# [17:50] <guidocalvano> I have a question about the event queue, it might be a bug...
# [17:50] <@bsmedberg> jorendorff: uh, well, I think all the jetpack-based addons live in one or more compartments
# [17:50] <Pike> MarcoZ: do screen readers read out text that's visibilty:hidden with CSS?
# [17:50] <guidocalvano> I am not a mozilla dev though
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# [17:50] <@bsmedberg> jorendorff: don't sandboxes get their own compartment?
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# [17:51] <@bsmedberg> guidocalvano: go ahead and ask
# [17:51] <jorendorff> bsmedberg: Yes, sandboxes do.
# [17:51] <@bsmedberg> jetpack addons are primarily sandboxes, IIRC
# [17:51] <ejpbruel> bsmedberg: thats correct, btw :)
# [17:52] <ejpbruel> bsmedberg: our entile module system is base on sandboxes
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# [17:52] <@bsmedberg> jorendorff, meet ejpbruel
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# [17:52] <ejpbruel> oh ,weve met :)
# [17:52] <@bsmedberg> he can probably answer questions about jetpack addons much better than I
# [17:52] <guidocalvano> when I make a bunch of async ajax requests, and then make a sync ajax request, the callbacks on the async requests can happen *during* sync request
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# [17:52] <jorendorff> ejpbruel: What is the security policy between sandboxes?
# [17:52] <guidocalvano> (I use jquery by the way)
# [17:52] <guidocalvano> but...
# [17:52] <jorendorff> ejpbruel: I mean, are all the sandboxes chrome?
# [17:52] <ejpbruel> jorendorff: no!
# [17:52] <ejpbruel> jorendorff: if you want chrome privileges, you have to require a special chrome module
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# [17:53] <jorendorff> ejpbruel: where can i read about this?
# [17:53] <guidocalvano> when I use setInterval to just write 'bla' to console.log the function passed to setInterval *does not* execute while waiting for a sync ajax request
# [17:54] <froydnj> what is the whiteboard text for leaving open after commits? is there a list of common whiteboard statuses somewhere (the one on the wiki is woefully incomplete)?
# [17:54] <ejpbruel> jorendorff: good question. warner is our security guy, he should have some documentation somewhere
# [17:54] <Ms2ger> guidocalvano, easy solution, don't use sync xhr
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# [17:54] <guidocalvano> I'm starting to wonder whether async ajax callbacks can crash through the handling of other events
# [17:55] <@bsmedberg> guidocalvano: the short answer is "sync AJAX requests are always evil, don't use them"
# [17:55] <@bsmedberg> guidocalvano: unless you're in a worker, that is
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# [17:56] <@bsmedberg> guidocalvano: the long answer is, the sync XHR has to spin the event loop in order to get its data, and that has the side effect of delivering network notifications. We block certain events from reentering (timeouts in particular)
# [17:56] <@bsmedberg> guidocalvano: but we don't have a mechanism to block any possible event which might reenter content
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# [17:56] <@bsmedberg> josh: yt?
# [17:57] <guidocalvano> so an ajax callback *could* execute *during* say the handling of a mouse event callback...
# [17:57] <josh> bsmedberg: yeah
# [17:57] <guidocalvano> or not?
# [17:57] <ejpbruel> guidocalvano: its impossible for an event to fire in the middle of another event
# [17:57] <@bsmedberg> josh: I'm looking at the signature of nsPluginHost::InstantiateEmbeddedPlugin
# [17:57] <@bsmedberg> josh: what's the ownership model of "aOwner"? inout, or out?
# [17:58] <ejpbruel> guidocalvano: the whole point of having a event based programming model is to avoid preemptiveness
# [17:58] <catlee> philor: how are the trees doing?
# [17:58] <catlee> backend storage is really slow
# [17:58] <guidocalvano> ejpbruel: but that is precisely what happens if an async ajax callback is executed while a sync ajax call is executing
# [17:58] <@bsmedberg> guidocalvano: the case you're talking about is specific to synchronous XMLHttpRequest
# [17:58] <josh> bsmedberg: that's what I'm looking at now too
# [17:58] <@bsmedberg> guidocalvano: and perhaps if you call alert() or confirm() or open a modal dialog
# [17:58] <armenzg> NOTICE: there are some talos jobs going red and I will be fixing that soon
# [17:59] <josh> bsmedberg: iirc it is just out, you can't pass an owner in
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# [17:59] <@bsmedberg> ok, the code appears to be correct at least...
# [18:00] <ejpbruel> bsmedberg: about guidocalvano's question: the problem is that these calls effectively have a message loop inside a message loop right?
# [18:00] <@bsmedberg> ejpbruel: correct
# [18:01] <josh> bsmedberg: thanks for resolving jlebar's issue, that means we don't have any more load hangs attributed to this patch
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# [18:01] <@bsmedberg> anything that spins a nested event loop is potentially reentrant
# [18:01] <ejpbruel> guidocalvano: so even though *conceptually* your script is blocked on that call, the browser as a whole is not, and it can still call other functions in your script
# [18:01] <guidocalvano> bsmedberg: it does make having synchronous ajax calls completely pointless
# [18:01] <mrbkap> philor: ping?
# [18:02] <@bsmedberg> guidocalvano: not completely, but since they hang the browser UI you should never use them anyway
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# [18:02] <guidocalvano> bsmedberg: the nice thing about synchronous stuff, though terribly inefficient and what not, is that it is easy to know whether a protocol is correct
# [18:03] <guidocalvano> because you are effectively using a linear program
# [18:03] <@bsmedberg> guidocalvano: use a worker...
# [18:03] <@bsmedberg> you can use sync XHR in a worker without any problems and still be linear without blocking the browser UI
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# [18:04] <guidocalvano> sometimes blocking everything can be the whole point. for simplicity's sake
# [18:04] <guidocalvano> but I know what I need to know
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# [18:04] <guidocalvano> big thanks
# [18:04] <guidocalvano> and cheers
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# [18:04] <@bsmedberg> yw
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# [18:05] <guidocalvano> and good work guys (:
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# [18:05] <philor> catlee: nothing obvious other than some pending builds
# [18:05] <philor> mrbkap: pong
# [18:05] <catlee> philor: ok, thanks
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# [18:06] <KLB> I mostly hang out in #amo-editors, but am posting here in hopes of some help with bug 713540. This bug relates to FF not always loading background images for XUL scrollbars, which is intermittently breaking scrollbars on themes.
# [18:06] <philor> catlee: oh, pending builds from two hours ago, I guess that's a problem if anyone actually starts pushing much
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# [18:06] <mrbkap> philor: are those talos reds me?
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# [18:06] <mrbkap> philor: the logs seem to be missing, so I suspect not.
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# [18:08] <philor> mrbkap: nope, talos red on inbound would be armenzg's
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# [18:09] <armenzg> philor: mrbkap fixing it as we speak
# [18:09] <@smaug> one might say it is a tiny bit chilly in Helsinki. -19 and enough wind to make it feel like -29 C
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# [18:09] <@bz> heh
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# [18:10] <Ms2ger> -5
# [18:10] <mbrubeck> Fbz
# [18:10] <mbrubeck> ^typo
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# [18:10] <@bz> er, +5 today
# [18:10] <@bz> was +10 yesterday
# [18:11] <mbrubeck> Jesse: ^
# [18:11] <sheppy> 14C today here.
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# [18:11] <glazou> -9C here :)
# [18:12] <glazou> + wind
# [18:12] <glazou> bz: speaking of keyframes, we still have a hole there : http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/style/nsCSSRules.cpp#2063
# [18:12] <glazou> but thanks for fixing my crasher
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# [18:12] <@bz> glazou: yes, and you're welcome
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# [18:13] <armenzg> as soon as the linux test masters are completed I will re-trigger the talos jobs
# [18:13] <philor> catlee: so, now that I got out of my stuck-not-refreshing state, I'd say the trees are pretty much totally hosed, since logs aren't available for things that finished an hour ago
# [18:13] <KaiRo> smaug: so Brussels is a bit warm for you then
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# [18:13] <@bz> glazou: Use cases for setCSSText on a rule are sorta questionable
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# [18:13] <glazou> well
# [18:13] <@bz> glazou: and we don't really implement it for style rules
# [18:13] <glazou> they're in spec and people can expect to use them
# [18:13] <catlee> philor: fine, go spoiling my ignorant bliss
# [18:13] <froydnj> KaiRo: calling brussels warm atm is a bit of a stretch
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# [18:13] <@bz> glazou: I think having them in the spec was a mistake
# [18:14] <@bz> glazou: and I'm not sure how good UA support is in general
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# [18:14] <@bz> glazou: honestly, my preference would be to nuke it
# [18:14] <KaiRo> froydnj: well, compared to -19°C it probably is
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# [18:14] <philor> catlee: I know! things looked really great with my unrefreshed since 7:45 tbpl :)
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# [18:14] <josh> bsmedberg: there is only one caller of InstantiateEmbeddedPlugin, BTW - it's in nsObjectLoadingContent
# [18:14] <@bz> glazou: but I'm working hard on pretending the CSSOM doesn't exist in general so.... ;)
# [18:15] <KaiRo> froydnj: here it's -7°C so I guess there's hardly any difference to Brussels for me
# [18:15] <glazou> LOL
# [18:15] <@bsmedberg> josh: yeah, and it uses getter_AddRefs so it should be safe
# [18:15] <glazou> bz: unfortunately, I work with it every single minute
# [18:15] <@bsmedberg> because getter_AddRefs nulls out on the way in
# [18:15] <@bz> glazou: yeah, I know
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# [18:15] <@smaug> KaiRo: hey, is there a list of mozillians going to Fosdem anywhere?
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# [18:16] <glazou> KaiRo: CSS WG was originally supposed to meet in Bucharest next week and I'm really glad I suggested Paris instead :)
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# [18:17] <glazou> probably
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# [18:17] <jaws> jrmuizel: can you comment on bug 517294?
# [18:18] <KaiRo> smaug: not sure
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# [18:19] <KaiRo> smaug: looks like people didn't add themselves to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Fosdem:2012:Attendees
# [18:20] <Ms2ger> bholley, ^
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# [18:23] <biesi> bholley, there's a fosdem version of that page?
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# [18:23] <philor> catlee: are jobs still trying to upload their logs an hour later, so we should close, or are jobs failing out from uploading their logs, so we should close, or is tbpl failing to get a connection to download logs so we should close?
# [18:24] <bholley> biesi: nm, it's just for speakers
# [18:24] <catlee> philor: uh
# [18:24] <catlee> philor: what's my fourth option?
# [18:24] <Ms2ger> catlee, we're stupid, and we should close
# [18:24] <edmorley> ponies
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# [18:24] <bholley> edmorley: you going to fosdem?
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# [18:25] <edmorley> bholley: I am not unfortunately, prior commitments :-(
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# [18:26] <philor> I have to go soon, so the fourth option is to just reopen as soon as I'm gone :)
# [18:26] <edmorley> looks like it would have been fun too
# [18:26] <biesi> bholley, ah good, I was afraid I'd missed it :)
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# [18:28] <biesi> :)
# [18:28] <biesi> KaiRo, my flight was delayed though
# [18:28] <biesi> so I'll get to brussels kinda late
# [18:29] <biesi> still way before you, I assume :)
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# [18:29] <Jesse> bz: good morning
# [18:29] <KaiRo> biesi: I guess so, I'm only taking a flight tomorrow morning, i.e. in 13h or so
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# [18:32] <@bz> jesse: cced you on a bug
# [18:32] <Ms2ger> njn++
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# [18:34] <armenzg> philor: I am tr-triggering now
# [18:34] <armenzg> "log not available"?
# [18:34] <armenzg> weird
# [18:35] <armenzg> is that what normally happens when the talos logs are missing?
# [18:35] <@bz> anyone here familiar with svg:use ?
# [18:36] <Ms2ger> Fortunately not
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# [18:39] <romaxa> smaug: did you try to install fennec in store?
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# [18:44] <@smaug> romaxa: not yet
# [18:45] <@smaug> romaxa: looks like the price has gone down a bit
# [18:45] <@smaug> romaxa: you don't happen to have any spare ones ;)
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# [18:47] <philor> log not available is what usually happens when the load on surf is over 125
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# [18:49] <armenzg> philor: is there an open bug?
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# [18:51] <catlee> no bug yet
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# [18:51] <catlee> you can file one if you'd like
# [18:51] <catlee> 'surf load > 100'
# [18:51] <catlee> we're working on it though
# [18:52] <armenzg> wouldn't it be https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711176 ?
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# [18:54] <catlee> yeah, if that's the same netapp
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# [18:55] <armenzg> OK
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# [18:55] <MarcoZ> pike: No they don't.
# [18:56] <MarcoZ> pike: visibility:hidden; and display: none; both have the effect that these elements are completely ignored.
# [18:57] <Pike> thanks
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# [18:57] <nemo> bz: hey. mind offering judgement on the bug-worthiness of a few more links + nglayout.debug.paint_flashing ?
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# [18:58] <@bz> nemo: can try....
# [18:58] <nemo> bz: http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase238.xhtml http://thewebrocks.com/demos/3D-css-tester/
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# [18:58] <@bz> yes
# [18:58] <@bz> known issue
# [18:58] <nemo> both?
# [18:58] * @bz finds bug
# [18:58] <@bz> first one
# [18:58] <nemo> oh. known already
# [18:59] <@bz> haven't looked at second one yet
# [18:59] <@bz> one sec
# [18:59] <romaxa> smaug: you mean another device not in use?
# [18:59] <romaxa> :)
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# [19:00] <@bz> See comments in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698297
# [19:00] <@bz> iirc
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# [19:00] <@bz> no idea what the second page is about
# [19:00] <@bz> what _is_ it about?
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# [19:01] <nemo> bz: dunno. I just noticed whole page flashing.
# [19:01] <@bz> ok
# [19:01] <@bz> one sec
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# [19:01] <nemo> bz: http://microsoft.com also flashes a significant chunk of the page if the small slideshow transitions, or if you hover over the controls in the slideshow
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# [19:02] <@bz> I see the whole page flash on that css3 demo
# [19:02] <nemo> bz: 'k
# [19:02] <@bz> yes, please file a bug
# [19:02] <nemo> aight. what about microsoft.com ?
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# [19:03] <@bz> probably the float thing
# [19:03] <@bz> but hard to tell without reduction
# [19:03] <@bz> may be worth a bug too, but needs reduced testcase
# [19:03] <nemo> oh. ugh
# [19:04] <nemo> don't care about 'em enough to do so :-p
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# [19:04] <nemo> I was just browsing sites looking for flashiness :)
# [19:04] <@bz> _you_ don't have to create one
# [19:04] <@bz> just someone will
# [19:04] <Ms2ger> kinetik++
# [19:05] <Jesse> bz: fwiw i'm currently ignoring inconsistent-rendering bugs involving SVG because of the combination of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723376 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475216
# [19:05] <Jesse> bz: so it would be great if one of those could be fixed, or if you could suggest a narrower exclusion for the fuzzer
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# [19:06] <@bz> jesse: looking
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# [19:06] <nemo> bz: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723594 righto. So. Just file one for microsoft but w/o need for testcase then.
# [19:07] <nemo> ?
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# [19:07] <@bz> nemo: file and set qawanted
# [19:07] <@bz> jesse: hmm
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# [19:08] <@bz> jesse: I'll see what I can do
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# [19:08] <@bz> jesse: narrower exclusions possible, but hard to define.....
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# [19:08] <Jesse> bz: i don't really understand the SVG-reparses-style thing. could that be part of adoptNode rather than BindToTree?
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# [19:09] <@bz> jesse: (e.g. it's ok to have svg with no @style or with @style that wasn't generated via the CSOM)
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# [19:09] <@bz> Jesse: "probably"
# [19:09] <@bz> jesse: one of the svg folks would need to comment on that
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# [19:10] <Jesse> fixing https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475216 would help me in other ways, fwiw
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# [19:11] <gps> were there any recent changesets requiring a clobber? I'm getting xpcom-config.h not found inside dom/plugins/ipc
# [19:12] <@bz> Jesse: yeah
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# [19:12] <@bz> Jesse: so...
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# [19:12] <@bz> Jesse: I'll take a look, I guess. That code is ... fragile. :(
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# [19:13] <Jesse> fragile code in the style system? :(
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# [19:14] <ted> do we have anyone that's familiar with DirectX? I need someone to review the windows backend for my Gamepad patches, it's all DirectInput
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# [19:15] <nemo> bz: oh. gavin told me to add :roc to the ones from yesterday. do the same for these?
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# [19:16] <@bz> nemo: yeah, and :tn
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# [19:16] <@bz> nemo: I added mattwoodrow to the transforms one
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# [19:16] <nemo> hm. I wonder if I can add 'em both at once using a comma separated list
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# [19:17] <@bz> ye
# [19:17] <@bz> er, yes
# [19:17] <@bz> you can
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# [19:17] <@bz> just put ":tn, roc@ocal" in the cc field
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# [19:17] <nemo> :roc, :tn seems to have worked :)
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# [19:18] <nemo> man. I wonder how many bugzilla e-mails a day these poor guys get
# [19:18] <nemo> I feel overwhelmed just by the bugs I file or comment on...
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# [19:20] <ted> karl: ping
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# [19:22] <@bz> "When we ask the customer, "Could you be more specific what type of information you are looking for?" the response is sometimes
# [19:22] <@bz> We want to know everything.
# [19:22] <@bz> This is not a helpful clarification. Do they want to start with Maxwell's Equations and build up from there? "
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# [19:26] <jlebar_> Ah, log not available.
# [19:26] <jlebar_> Glad it's not just me.
# [19:27] <AryehGregor> mattwoodrow|away, the test you wrote for bug 704469 seems to be exactly the same as its ref? diff -u layout/reftests/transform-3d/overflow-hidden-1{a,-ref}.html
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# [19:27] <akeybl> gavin: Chris let me know that we've pref'd off 566489 on 13 - is that true for 12 too? Couldn't find mention of it in the bug. Only asking in case we need to uplift to aurora (and to remove the feature from the Aurora 12 release notes if necessary)
# [19:27] <jhammel> Maxwell's equations? If it ain't Schrodinger's, I ain't interested
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# [19:28] <Ms2ger> jhammel--
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# [19:28] <gavin> akeybl: it's preffed off everywhere at the moment
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# [19:28] <gavin> akeybl: (aurora and trunk)
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# [19:29] <igor> try server gives Log not available. Is this something knowN
# [19:29] <akeybl> gavin: thanks, will remove from the notes
# [19:29] <jlebar_> igor, It's happening on m-i too.
# [19:29] <edmorley> igor: yeah bug 711176
# [19:29] <jlebar_> igor, So...yes?
# [19:30] <Ms2ger> jlebar_, no guarantee, only philor, mak and edmorley look at mi
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# [19:30] <edmorley> and mbrubeck
# [19:30] <Ms2ger> Sorry mbrubeck!
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# [19:31] <edmorley> and you of course :-)
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# [19:31] <askalski> hi, can anyone give me a spamfilter password to http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/weekly-updates.fcgi/signup ?
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# [19:46] <@bz> so um
# [19:46] <@bz> what's up with talos?
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# [19:47] <mbrubeck> bz: fallout from https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=721822
# [19:47] <josh> BenWa: ping
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# [19:48] <@bz> I see
# [19:48] <BenWa> josh: pong
# [19:49] <armenzg> bz: I think I managed to get us to recover but surf's load is not letting me verify
# [19:49] <armenzg> also it seems there is a lot of running/pending jobs
# [19:49] <josh> BenWa: I'm getting a bunch of build errors related to things like _CGLContextObject today on Mac OS X 10.7 with clang targeting the 10.6 SDK. I didn't get this yesterday, do you have a guess as to what might be going on?
# [19:50] <josh> nsIOSurface.h:48:7: error: redefinition of 'NSOpenGLContext' as different kind of symbol
# [19:50] <josh> for examle
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# [19:50] <BenWa> josh: Most certainly bug 715785
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# [19:50] <BenWa> Try unapplying that patch, I bet it will fix your problem
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# [19:51] <josh> BenWa: would it be useful for me to file a bug?
# [19:51] <josh> Bas: ^
# [19:51] <BenWa> josh: Yes, make it block this bug
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# [19:53] <@bz> mozilla% make -C ../obj-firefox reftest
# [19:53] <@bz> reftest passed
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# [19:53] <@bz> /opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Resources/Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python: can't open file '_tests/reftest/runreftest.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
# [19:53] <@bz> wtf?
# [19:54] <@bz> there is no _tests/reftest
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# [19:55] <myk> clee: the feature page we were discussing is this one? https://wiki.mozilla.org/Web_Apps_integration
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# [19:56] <myk> clee: thanks!
# [19:56] <clee> myk: np
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# [20:07] <SeoZ[gtab]> any body in mozilla hq has ubuntu cd?
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# [20:07] <SeoZ[gtab]> i am in the mozilla hq and my system is broken
# [20:08] <romaxa> SeoZ[gtab]: go to fry's electronics and buy blank CD or CD with ubuntu ;) or ping dougt
# [20:09] <luke> does anyone know if our indexeddb api changed any time recently? the html5 indexedb demos seem to have stopped working..
# [20:09] <Bas> BenWa josh: No OS X 10.7 here so someone else will have to figure it out?
# [20:09] <Bas> :s
# [20:10] <@bz> luke: almost certainly
# [20:10] <luke> bz: ah, thanks
# [20:10] <bent> luke, any specific questions?
# [20:11] <luke> bent: i saw a there was a "firebug stepping through the html5rocks indexeddb demo" so i was trying to repro it, but that demo doesn't seem to work anymore
# [20:11] <bent> ah too bad :(
# [20:11] <bent> that sounds cool
# [20:11] <luke> s/demo"/demo" crash/
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# [20:14] <Bas> Did somebody on all@ actually suggest Brussels had worse internet connectivity than mountain view?? :P I'm pretty sure the only thing hampering internet connections there in the evening is ethanol.
# [20:15] <gcp> Bas: IRC was blocking me due to too many conns from one IP :P
# [20:15] <jhammel> methanol too
# [20:15] <Bas> gcp: Yeah, didn't we raise the connection limit per IP at some point during a summit?
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# [20:16] <gcp> dcamp: talos fixes are up btw
# [20:16] <@khuey> Bas: yeah, that can be fixed
# [20:16] <@khuey> just need to file a bug
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# [20:18] <nemo> bz: http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase239.xhtml - I am seriously jealous of how this looks in Chrome - is Firefox considering adding this?
# [20:18] <dcamp> gcp: were they successful on try?
# [20:18] <gcp> dcamp: as far as I could tell, yes
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# [20:18] <nemo> bz: started looking into this after thinking it might look neat as the splash for "thewebrocks.com" :) (currently uses white)
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# [20:18] <gcp> dcamp: graphserver showed it in line with other results
# [20:18] <dcamp> gcp: great. Will review now.
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# [20:19] <nemo> (cutout letters I mean)
# [20:19] <wesj> nemo: we can do that with filters can't we?
# [20:19] <nemo> wesj: w/o embedding svg in the page?
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# [20:20] <nemo> wesj: http://dev.opera.com/static/dstorey/images/newyorkmaskexample.svg (like that I mean)
# [20:20] <nemo> wesj: 'cause, embedding svg just for an effect seems kinda lame :)
# [20:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/101756cec9bf - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 723372 - B2G telephony: audio should be turned on during dialing + ringing. r=bent DONTBUILD because NPOTB
# [20:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/aec5edf48e93 - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 720747 - Completely silence RIL worker by default. r=qDot
# [20:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/315820aa1d28 - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 723356 - Make `console` output show up in logcat. r=gal
# [20:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6f9456fc1e83 - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 716709 - RIL: call state on SGS2 has extra uint32. r=qDot
# [20:21] <@bz> nemo: no plans that I know of
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# [20:21] <wesj> nemo: heh. i mean, you can link to external svg, or use svg in a data url, or use a filter so that your string isn't in svg if that's what your problem is, but there's no plan for a non-svg way to do it
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# [20:21] <nemo> wesj: hmmm you can use an svg filter in CSS?
# [20:21] <@bz> nemo: yes
# [20:21] <nemo> oh. nifty
# [20:22] * nemo googles
# [20:22] <@bz> nemo: have been able to for years in Gecko
# [20:22] <@bz> nemo: support in other browsers is spotty
# [20:22] <nemo> bz: hey, I'm sure I only know a small subset of what the browser can do :)
# [20:22] <@bz> nemo: they keep adding special-cases instead. ;)
# [20:23] <Ms2ger> nemo, be happy, browsers do horrible things
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# [20:23] <Ms2ger> Little known fact: every time you use sync xhr, browsers are required to kill a kitten
# [20:23] <nemo> Ms2ger: I used sync xhr just the other day
# [20:23] <nemo> Ms2ger: was for a small link tester
# [20:24] <nemo> Ms2ger: I wanted them to step through in order, and block the page. there was no need for async
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# [20:24] <Ms2ger> Alright, goodbye kitty
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# [20:25] <@khuey> we don't just kill the kitty
# [20:25] <@khuey> there are flamethrowers involved
# [20:25] <@khuey> have you ever smelled burnt cat hair?
# [20:25] <@bz> also kittenthrowers
# [20:25] <@bz> sorta like angry birds
# [20:25] <@bz> but more meowing
# [20:25] <@bz> and with land mines
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# [20:25] <gcp> inbound still has christmas colors
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# [20:26] <@khuey> feature, not a bug
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# [20:27] <Ms2ger> Wait, wait
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# [20:27] <Ms2ger> m-c is open?
# [20:27] <Ms2ger> Who did that?
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# [20:28] <Ms2ger> edmorley, can you close m-c, please
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# [20:30] <Ms2ger> bz, no thanks :)
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# [20:31] <Bas> gps: I'd rather see someone submit a patch to fix the problem than backout the patch without a solution.
# [20:31] <philor> ffss
# [20:32] <edmorley> Ms2ger: sorry was making dinner ; can still CC you on sheriffpass mind... ;-P
# [20:32] <Ms2ger> edmorley, how dare you make dinner!?!
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# [20:33] <gps> Bas: I'm just asking a question. not sure what constitutes as backout worthy for OS X SDK breakage
# [20:33] <gps> I think the patch should be pretty easy though. would you like full compiler output?
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# [20:34] <Bas> gps: I think our official build is 10.6, I also don't have an OS X 10.7 machine so I'm unable to write a fix, I could take a guess based on the compiler input, but BenWa actually knows this stuff a -lot- better than I do.
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# [20:34] <Bas> He helped me with the nsIOSurface part of the patch.
# [20:34] <gps> woah - I got breakage when compiling against the 10.6 SDK as well
# [20:34] <Bas> *compiler output
# [20:34] <armenzg> philor: the fix for talos has landed
# [20:34] <armenzg> I had a misunderstanding of our setup
# [20:34] <gps> how are the official build machines building this without error?
# [20:34] <BenWa> bas gps: I'm doing a build with the right config atm, won't be long
# [20:34] <philor> armenzg: cool, thanks
# [20:34] <armenzg> I will re-trigger as soon as the masters are up-to-date
# [20:34] <Bas> gps: Maybe it's the -machine- being 10.7
# [20:34] <Bas> Rather than the SDK
# [20:35] <armenzg> not having the logs was delaying me verify it
# [20:35] <philor> now if we can just persuade people to NOT OPEN THE TREE
# [20:35] <Ms2ger> armenzg, is m-c tip supposed not to build anything?
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# [20:35] <Ms2ger> When are we getting the new app?
# [20:35] <armenzg> Ms2ger: of that, I don't know
# [20:35] <philor> Ms2ger: DONTBUILD NPOTB
# [20:35] <edmorley> philor: I think m-c was never closed perhaps?
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# [20:35] <Ms2ger> philor, ah, ta
# [20:36] <philor> edmorley: that would be surprising
# [20:36] <gps> Bas: http://gps.pastebin.mozilla.org/1472600
# [20:36] <Ms2ger> philikon, can you put DONTBUILD somewhere I can see it?
# [20:36] <philor> maybe tinderbox is broken
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# [20:36] <philor> because twice in a row I've closed it, and found it open sometime later
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# [20:36] <Ms2ger> Or maybe I should patch tbpl to give them a nice icon
# [20:36] <armenzg> philor: I have not seen tbpl for Firefox closed at all today
# [20:36] <philikon> Ms2ger: eh?
# [20:36] <Bas> gps: Ah, probably just needs a tiny bit of #ifdef magic, BenWa will likely come up with the fix easily.
# [20:37] <karl> ted: hi
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# [20:37] <BenWa> gps: Yea, waiting on a build so I'm not just guessing
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# [20:37] <Ms2ger> philikon, your DONTBUILD is below the results for me, making me confused
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# [20:37] <ted> karl: hey, i have these patches that add Gamepad APIs for web content
# [20:38] <ted> one of them is a linux backend that uses udev+the kernel joystick driver devices
# [20:38] <ted> do you think you could review that part?
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# [20:38] <ted> it's ~400 lines of code
# [20:39] <karl> ted: you make it sound so appealling
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# [20:39] <ted> :)
# [20:39] <philikon> Ms2ger: below the results?
# [20:39] <@bz> man
# [20:39] <@bz> what is with all these people who don't bother testing until we ship?
# [20:39] <Ms2ger> I see "Philipp von Weitershausen Bug 723372 - B2G telephony: audio should be turned on durin"
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# [20:39] <karl> ted: i don't know those apis, but if nobody else knows them, then i can look
# [20:39] <philikon> Ms2ger: if i hover over the commit, i see the full msg
# [20:39] <philikon> you odn't?
# [20:40] <Ms2ger> philikon, sure
# [20:40] <mbrubeck> armenzg, philor: m-c has looked closed to me. Try shift-reload?
# [20:40] <Ms2ger> But I don't hover
# [20:40] <@bz> Ms2ger: so the verdict seems to be that the web depends on isSameNode
# [20:40] <armenzg> mbrubeck: thanks
# [20:40] <@bz> Ms2ger: as far as I can tell
# [20:40] <Ms2ger> Boo
# [20:40] <@bz> Ms2ger: specifically, GWT apparently uses it in its output
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# [20:40] <Ms2ger> Google--
# [20:41] <ted> karl: i'm grasping at straws, if you have any better suggestions i'm all ears
# [20:41] <ted> libudev appears very lightly documented
# [20:41] <philikon> Ms2ger: ah ok. sry
# [20:41] <ted> the kernel joystick driver is pretty simple
# [20:41] <@bz> Ms2ger: now if only someone using gwt had bothered to test before we shipped 10....
# [20:41] <karl> ted: i can learn about udev; i have a couple of other things to review, so it'll probably be at least a week before i start on something that size
# [20:41] <Ms2ger> bz, I'll not make the rookie mistake of reading surprise in your comments ;)
# [20:42] <ted> karl: okay, my only goal is to get this into 13
# [20:42] <ted> so i have ~6 weeks
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# [20:42] <@bz> Ms2ger: surprise?
# [20:43] <karl> ted: okay
# [20:43] <Ms2ger> bz, alright, let me know what I need to do :/
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# [20:45] <@bz> Ms2ger: as DOM editor, probably spec it
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# [20:45] <ted> karl: thanks, i appreciate it!
# [20:45] <@bz> Ms2ger: I'll see if I can get sicking to bring the imple back.....
# [20:45] <@bz> er, impl
# [20:45] <@bz> Ms2ger: could wait on that
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> Alright
# [20:46] <BenWa> gps josh: My build passed
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# [20:46] <Bas> BenWa: Could it be there's some kind of #define different?
# [20:46] <gps> BenWa: with your local patch or 10.6?
# [20:47] <BenWa> Well I build with enable debug, what about you gps?
# [20:47] <BenWa> without*
# [20:47] <gps> --enable-debug --enable-optimize
# [20:47] <edmorley> kinetik: ping
# [20:47] <jbuck> I was getting the error with --enable-debug --disable-optimize
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# [20:48] <Asa> bz: thanks for copying me on those bugs. I've commented my preference for restoring web compatibility
# [20:48] <@bz> Asa: I figured you would.... ;)
# [20:49] <Asa> we should get gwt into our tests somehow
# [20:49] <Asa> I think we have some js toolkits, right?
# [20:49] <@bz> sorta
# [20:49] <Asa> like jquery
# [20:49] <@bz> there are different GWT versions...
# [20:49] <mconley> !seen Enn
# [20:49] <firebot> enn was last seen 3 hours, 59 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying 'you probably don't' in #fx-team.
# [20:49] <@bz> also different jquery versions
# [20:49] <ted> Bas: hey
# [20:49] <gps> BenWa: so, you were able to compile with the 10.6 SDK?
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# [20:50] <Bas> ted: Hey Ted!
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# [20:50] <ted> Bas: are you familiar with DirectInput?
# [20:51] <Bas> gps: Is enable-debug enable-optimize valid? Isn't enable-optimize only properly combinable with enable-debug-symbols? I guess there's no reason to believe that's true :)
# [20:51] <Bas> Sorry :)
# [20:51] <Bas> ted: 'Somewhat'
# [20:51] <ted> one of the patches for my gamepad api is the windows backend which is DI
# [20:51] <ted> i need a reviewer, jimm suggested you might be the best person
# [20:51] <Bas> ted: Back in DX8 and DX9 days.
# [20:51] <ted> hasn't changed since DX8 AFAICT
# [20:51] <ted> XInput is the new hotness (and we'll use it eventually), but DI supports more devices
# [20:51] <gps> Bas: --enable-optimize --enable-debug has always worked for me (yes I know the combo is weird)
# [20:52] <Bas> ted: I wouldn't say I'm a good reviewer, but I could imagine I'm the most obvious candidate probably though :)
# [20:52] <ted> Bas: if you think there's someone better i'm all ears
# [20:53] <ted> it's not terribly complicated, just the usual DX cruft
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# [20:53] <NeilAway> excellent, malloc_dbg tries to malloc on error, instant stack overflow
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# [20:55] <Ms2ger> Bas, --enable-optimize --enable-debug may be what we're using on tinderbox now
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# [20:58] <Bas> ted: Sure, MSCOM FTW in the DI/DS days :)
# [20:59] <@smaug> Preferences::GetBool returns false by default, right?
# [20:59] <Bas> ms2ger: Really? That should screw up line numbers in weird ways in stacktraces.
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# [21:00] <ted> Bas: yeah, but it makes our test runs a zillion times faster
# [21:01] <aja> getting "Almost "There" at http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/11.0/whatsnew/
# [21:01] <Bas> ted: True :)
# [21:02] <@bz> the solution is to not crash on tinderbox. ;)
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# [21:15] <jhford-buildduty> did silent updates just land on aurora recently?
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# [21:16] <jhford-buildduty> i ask because my firefox aurora install just ate itself when I tried to restart it
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# [21:20] <Ms2ger> ehsan, hrm, so my cleanup patch fixes that failure...
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# [21:27] <blassey> jhford: I have patches to land on beta
# [21:27] <blassey> and it looks happy and open
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# [21:27] <blassey> but given the red on inbound and central, I suspect that might be because nothing has run recently
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# [21:27] <blassey> is it safe to push?
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# [21:28] <philor> the red isn't the issue, the issue is that any failure may or may not have the log available for two or six or ten hours
# [21:30] <blassey> well.. given the rate things land on beta, that might not be all that bad
# [21:30] <jlebar_> philor, After the issue is fixed, will we get the old logs back?
# [21:30] <blassey> also... strangely, android seems unaffected by this
# [21:30] <blassey> and all these patches are android
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# [21:32] <kinetik> edmorley: pong
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# [21:34] <edmorley> kinetik: hi :-) I have two csets leftover from the merge I did earlier, that have the wrong bug number, don't suppose you can find a home for them (and give a mention in the unrelated bugs, for people using hg blame later) https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/71678cfd06dd and https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f586c1a6e632
# [21:34] <philor> jlebar_: I'd bet so, since the buildbot masters have the logs queued up, unless something goes catastrophically wrong, like people insist on pushing everywhere they can and the masters wind up melting
# [21:35] <jlebar_> philor, Cool.
# [21:35] <kinetik> oh crud
# [21:35] <kinetik> edmorley:
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# [21:35] <kinetik> edmorley: 71678cfd06dd is the second patch for bug 623444
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# [21:37] <Bas> ted: No Force Feedback support? :)
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# [21:38] <ted> Bas: hah, not yet
# [21:38] <ted> we have a bug on file
# [21:38] <ted> and secretrobotron has a proof of concept linux impl
# [21:38] <ted> probably easier to fix that once we implement XInput support
# [21:38] <Bas> ted: Good, I need force feedback before I could ever properly use my G940 for a webbased game ;)
# [21:38] <ted> xbox360 controllers don't support rumble via DI :-(
# [21:39] <ted> we'll probably wind up implementing the WebVibration API on the gamepad object
# [21:39] <Bas> ted: I was more talking joysticks actually, rumble on gamepads is just a gimic :)
# [21:39] <ted> might need to have them change the API to better match our use cases
# [21:39] <ted> Bas: oh you actually have a joystick?
# [21:39] <kinetik> edmorley: and the f586c1a6e632 is bug 687972; i'll update the bugs to link them up, sorry about that :-(
# [21:39] <ted> i thought those were all in the fossil record now
# [21:40] <Bas> ted: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/joysticks/devices/5855 ;)
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# [21:40] <edmorley> kinetik: that's ok, it happens :-)
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# [21:40] <@smaug> so, is tbpl not working?
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# [21:41] <Bas> ted: They're a niche market, but the ones that still exist have gotten amazingly technically advanced.
# [21:41] <ted> ah
# [21:41] <ted> i don't think i've used one since i played MechWarrior in college
# [21:42] <Bas> ted: Combine that G940 with a head-mounted-display with head-tracking, and it makes for a fairly good Flight Simulator X experience :)
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# [21:42] <ted> neat
# [21:42] <ted> wow
# [21:42] <ted> that is hardcore
# [21:42] <ted> i would be interested to see how that shows up in our impl
# [21:42] <ted> grab a build: http://people.mozilla.com/~tmielczarek/gamepad/
# [21:43] <Bas> ted: *grabs*
# [21:43] <ted> plug in that monster and load this page: http://people.mozilla.com/~tmielczarek/joytest2.html
# [21:43] <ted> er, crap, that won't work
# [21:43] <lurking> smaug I don't think so - logging is backed up
# [21:43] <Bas> ted: Why not?
# [21:43] <ted> https://bug604039.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=565617
# [21:43] <ted> this one
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# [21:43] <Bas> Ah, ok :)
# [21:43] <ted> Bas: i changed all the event names at one point from joy->gamepad
# [21:43] <ted> and forgot to update that demo
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# [21:44] <Bas> ted: I find joysticks much more interesting than gamepads for PCs btw, I never use my XBOX controller with my PC, especially for shooters using a non-discrete aming device is just silly :)
# [21:44] <ted> using anything that's not a mouse for a FPS on PC is silly :-P
# [21:45] <Bas> Fair enough :)
# [21:45] <Ms2ger> Har
# [21:46] <ted> Bas: my main interest is platformers etc
# [21:46] <Ms2ger> ehsan, so my patch to use nsINode in the reindent method fixes the failure, I'll have a look tomorrow
# [21:46] <ted> which are perfect
# [21:46] <ted> also there are a ton of xbox 360 and PS3 controllers out there
# [21:46] <Ms2ger> Or later
# [21:46] <ted> and they'll all work quite nicely with this
# [21:46] <mwu> ps3 lets you read nearly any button as analog
# [21:46] <mwu> ps3 ds3
# [21:46] <ted> but hey, if you want to write the next great flight simulator with WebGL, go for it
# [21:46] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: interesting!
# [21:46] <ted> mwu: yeah, but it's a mess in drivers :-(
# [21:47] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: I'd still like to know why :)
# [21:47] <Bas> ted: You know about my intense hatred for the OpenGL API, right? ;)
# [21:47] <ted> on linux they show up as extra axes
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# [21:47] <ted> Bas: no, hah
# [21:47] <Bas> ted: Direct3D (or similar OO API's) all the way for me :)
# [21:47] <Bas> This semi-objectoriented stateful C crap needs to die a horrible death :p
# [21:48] <Ms2ger> ehsan, too much of a headache to look at editor tonight ;)
# [21:48] <@bsmedberg> too bad Linux can't manage to have a really stable C++ binary API ;-)
# [21:49] <Bas> ted: But yeah, platform's probably a good idea, it's probably going to be a sweet while before the web gets ready performance wise for the high-end FPS/RPG/Sim games a la Deus Ex, etc.
# [21:49] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: fair enough :)
# [21:49] <@bsmedberg> Bas: aww, I want my WebStarcraft...
# [21:49] <mwu> bsmedberg: careful. s/Linux/Mozilla/ :p
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# [21:50] <davidb> ted: i used to win many quake games keyboard only.
# [21:51] <ted> huh
# [21:51] <davidb> i did eventually switch though
# [21:51] <ted> you must not have been playing stiff competition
# [21:51] <davidb> i adapted my style
# [21:51] <ted> interesting
# [21:51] <ted> i was pretty good at doom/quake
# [21:51] <ted> i fell off after Quake3
# [21:51] <davidb> also, there is a kid who plays using only a puff switch
# [21:51] <davidb> (he doesn't win often)
# [21:51] <ted> i don't have the time or energy to play against 13 year olds now
# [21:51] <davidb> heh
# [21:52] <davidb> for the record, I never played against that kid
# [21:52] <davidb> just saw video of him playing
# [21:52] <ted> that's impressive
# [21:53] <jesup|laptop> quite
# [21:53] * davidb tries to find the video
# [21:53] <Bas> ted: So, I'm seeing 20 buttons, 20 analog axes. Discrete POV hats are working, analog POV hat does not seem to have its axes represented. Rudder trim has an axis, aileron and elevator trim seem to be unavailable. As do most other analogue axes other than rudder, breaking, throttle and stick control.
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# [21:53] <ted> Bas: interesting! thanks
# [21:54] <Ms2ger> Don't tell philor
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# [21:54] <ted> Bas: i bet it's because we're using DI_JOYSTICK and not DI_JOYSTICK2
# [21:54] <@khuey> so
# [21:54] <@khuey> how did we make it all the way through aurora and beta
# [21:54] <Bas> ted: I'm guessing we only have 20 max of each?
# [21:54] <@khuey> without finding out that GWT uses isSameNode?
# [21:54] <@bsmedberg> khuey: you scare me
# [21:54] * jhford-buildduty changes topic to 'm-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN log: NOT AVAILABLE || Next aurora uplift: 13th March || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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# [21:54] <@khuey> bsmedberg: heh, why?
# [21:54] <ted> Bas: internally we have 32 bits for each
# [21:54] <jhford-buildduty> not sure what "log: not available" means
# [21:54] <jhford-buildduty> blassey: we are reopening
# [21:54] * Ms2ger changes topic to 'm-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: 13th March || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [21:54] <davidb> warning: this is inspiring http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BhHwk9qSvI
# [21:54] <ted> Bas: i think it's a DI limit with the format i'm using
# [21:55] <@bsmedberg> khuey: mainly about the size/quality of our beta testing audience
# [21:55] <Ms2ger> jhford-buildduty, the reason for closing
# [21:55] <@khuey> bsmedberg: oh, yes
# [21:55] <@khuey> bsmedberg: this is what I'm worried about!
# [21:55] <jhford-buildduty> Ms2ger: ok, that's resolved then
# [21:55] <ted> Bas: not having anything remotely like that to test with, i clearly wasn't able to hit those limits
# [21:55] <davidb> (ted: also, wasn't a puff switch… he used a thumb switch)
# [21:55] * @khuey makes a note to bring this up at the eng meeting on tuesday
# [21:55] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, he may have scared you, but did he surprise you? :)
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# [21:56] <Bas> ted: Right, that's what I meant. Yeah, a proper flight sim would almost be unflyable without force feedback though, as these advanced joysticks don't have a centering force (as a plane stick does not have any centering force when stationary), their centering force and such is entirely dependent on flight dynamics (i.e. force feedback from the game)
# [21:56] <edmorley> philor: ping
# [21:56] <@smaug> erm, why does tbpl load anything from google.com
# [21:56] <ted> Bas: ah
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# [21:56] <ted> Bas: well, we'll have to sort that out
# [21:56] <ted> Bas: i'm not sure how to map FF, honestly
# [21:56] <ted> Bas: people have talked about rumble, but not actual FF
# [21:56] <Bas> ted: *shrugs* I'm sure I'm a niche we don't really need to care about :)
# [21:56] <edmorley> jhford-buildduty: have the log issues been resolved yet?
# [21:56] <ted> it would be pretty awesome to support that
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# [21:57] <Bas> ted: I think there's probably more interest in an API for MRI scanners :)
# [21:57] <Bas> True :)
# [21:57] <ted> feel free to write the patches :)
# [21:57] <jhford-buildduty> edmorley: the queues that were filling up are empty or close to empty
# [21:57] <edmorley> awesome :-)
# [21:57] <jesup|laptop> bas: you kids and your fancy force-feedback toys... :-)
# [21:57] <Bas> ted: It's somewhat tempting, a lot of flight sim enthousiasts are tech geeks, so I'm sure some would come up with interesting stuff if there was an API.
# [21:58] <@smaug> jhford-buildduty: so, is the tree open or closed? IRC topic says open, tbpl says closed
# [21:58] <ted> Bas: absolutely
# [21:58] <@smaug> er, tbpl got updated
# [21:58] <@smaug> jhford-buildduty: nm
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# [21:58] <ted> Bas: probably not a huge amount of work to hook it up once we get basic rumble support in
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# [21:59] <Bas> ted jesus|laptop: If you think I have fancy toys, try this site :P http://www.fspilotshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=2911
# [21:59] <ted> Bas: so yeah, we're using this currently: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/microsoft.directx_sdk.reference.dijoystate%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
# [21:59] <ted> your stick probably wants us to use this: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/microsoft.directx_sdk.reference.dijoystate2%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
# [22:00] <dholbert> bz, ping?
# [22:00] <ted> probably just a few lines of change in the patch to make that work
# [22:00] <ted> but i have no idea
# [22:00] <@bz> dholbert: ack
# [22:00] <ted> feel free to experiment and let me know :)
# [22:00] <ted> Bas: thanks for trying, btw, i'm really interested in different use cases
# [22:01] * lurking feels bad, because the Nightly Audience, and hourly users didn't stumble across it long ago - guess our quality is not much better :(
# [22:01] <dholbert> bz, did your m-i push for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723441 succeed? the cset URL doesn't work for me
# [22:01] <philor> edmorley: pong
# [22:01] <@bz> dholbert: nope, closed tree
# [22:01] * lurking is sorta lost as to what the issues are in the beta though
# [22:01] <dholbert> bz, gotcha, cool
# [22:01] <@bz> dholbert: want to see the diff or something?
# [22:01] <dholbert> bz, naw, was just curious
# [22:02] <@bz> dholbert: it's mostly huge svg file with <use> element per char... ;)
# [22:02] <Bas> ted: Interesting though, I only count 12 axis in DI_JOYSTATE, I wonder why I see 20 valid axis reported :)
# [22:02] <ted> Bas: hats get converted to axes in my API
# [22:02] <philor> smaug: tbpl loads something from google because we told webdev we wanted a sheriff app built to replace the sheriff calendar on google, and then we've never used it
# [22:02] <edmorley> philor: the tree has been reopened, I was just seeing if things looked good to you ; in the meantime jhford-buildduty has said "the queues that were filling up are empty or close to empty" , so presume all ok?
# [22:02] <ted> didn't really feel like supporting the concept of POV hats
# [22:02] <ted> (also lots of gamepads register their d-pad as a POV hat)
# [22:02] <dholbert> bz, heh. writing a 500kb patch in a single morning = 1337 coding skills
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# [22:02] <Bas> ted: Right, but still with hats included I only get to 12 axis
# [22:02] <ted> also my impl doesn't bother trying to handle analog POV hats, so that's an interesting point
# [22:03] <philor> edmorley: looks great! inbound has 68 unstarred failures, what's the worst that could happen? :)
# [22:03] <ted> Bas: each hat is 2 axes
# [22:03] <ted> are you counting that?
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# [22:03] <jhford-buildduty> edmorley: sorry, i opened m-c but forgot to change the message for m-i on tinderbox
# [22:03] <ted> it's possible this is just a quirk of my converting DI
# [22:03] <ted> or a bug
# [22:04] <Bas> ted: 2 axis both 16-bit packed into a DWORD?
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# [22:04] <ted> Bas: DI is clear on how you'd deal with analog POV hat data
# [22:04] <ted> i was just lazy and didn't bother
# [22:05] <ted> (also i don't have anything with one of those)
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# [22:05] <Bas> ted: Yeah, I'd bring it next time I'm in MV but it would fill up half my suitcase :-)
# [22:05] <ted> hah
# [22:05] <ted> well i'll have to come to your house the next time i'm in the netherlands, i guess
# [22:05] <Bas> ted: More than welcome :)
# [22:05] <Bas> Doh, this made me feel like flying when I need to get some work done. Right! Back to work! :)
# [22:05] <ted> hah
# [22:05] <jbuck> ted: this is a new test case for the gamepad api, Mozilla should purchase a set for you, right? :)
# [22:06] <ted> jbuck: good point!
# [22:06] <ted> i don't know where i'd put it
# [22:06] <edmorley> philor: talos should be sorted now, though I thought armenzg had retriggered them?
# [22:06] <@bz> Do we have an eta on opening inbound?
# [22:07] <NeilAway> bz: what's the state of our file url restrictions? <iframe src=..> should fail to load?
# [22:07] <Bas> ted: And the HTML5 6-dof head-tracking API of course! :)
# [22:07] <@bz> from a web page, yes
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# [22:07] <gavin> topic says it's open!?
# [22:07] <armenzg> edmorley: I have
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# [22:08] <armenzg> they just seemed to be never started
# [22:08] <Jesse> khuey: i installed MSVC2010, and reinstalled mozillabuild (to fix a 'compiler cannot create executables' problem), and now i'm getting http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1472649
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# [22:08] <ted> Bas: hah!
# [22:08] <ted> Bas: what do you even use for that?
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# [22:08] <philor> jhford-buildduty: I'm a bit worried about the state of windows build slaves, too
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# [22:08] <Bas> ted: Me personally? a wii-mote and 3 IR-leds connected to a 1.5V battery? :P
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# [22:09] <philor> since inbound collapsed six pushes into one build that started two hours after the last push in the set
# [22:09] <Bas> A wii-mote has an IR camera in it and is a bluetooth device :)
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# [22:09] <ted> huh
# [22:09] <armenzg> edmorley: there is one more issue
# [22:09] <ted> interesting
# [22:09] <Bas> IT cost me a spectacular 14 euros to make! :)
# [22:09] <@khuey> Jesse: did you clobber?
# [22:09] <armenzg> it's good that now logs load up
# [22:09] <ted> (i knew that about the wiimote, just interesting application)
# [22:09] <Jesse> khuey: i deleted my objdir, yes
# [22:09] <@bz> gavin: oh?
# [22:10] <@khuey> Jesse: interesting
# [22:10] <@khuey> Jesse: never seen that before
# [22:10] <gavin> bz: I dunno, topic might be lying
# [22:10] <@bz> ah, I see
# [22:10] <@bz> just opened
# [22:10] <@bz> dholbert: push done now
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# [22:11] <@khuey> Jesse: do you have antivirus software?
# [22:11] <Jesse> khuey: i don't think so
# [22:11] <edmorley> philor: are you retriggering talos? don't want to double up if you are
# [22:11] * @khuey shrugs
# [22:11] <@khuey> no idea then
# [22:11] <@khuey> ask ted?
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# [22:12] <Bas> ted: The software to make your hardware work with games and such is even free and open source: http://www.free-track.net/english/
# [22:13] <@bz> someone filed a dup of 22274
# [22:13] <@bz> and why the hell do I _still_ remember that bug#?
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# [22:13] <ted> Jesse: internets seem to think it's related to Symantec
# [22:13] <Bas> ted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJVJMKx3Drg
# [22:13] <armenzg> edmorley: fixed. talos jobs should be running green now
# [22:13] <ted> Bas: neat!
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# [22:15] <Jesse> ted, khuey: well, i started it over, and it didn't hit the error again
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# [22:16] <ted> interesting
# [22:17] <Bas> gps BenWa: Anything on the build issue?
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# [22:17] <BenWa> I got it reproducing
# [22:17] <Bas> BenWa: Great, is it going to be a big issue?
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# [22:17] <BenWa> looking at it in parallel with the high priority OGL for native fennec
# [22:17] * Bas nods.
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# [22:18] <Bas> I don't really care about the problem, but our OS X 10.7 users probably do :)
# [22:18] <Bas> Contributors, anyway
# [22:18] <BenWa> well we should care
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# [22:18] <gps> Bas: I'm not looking at it: I just reported it! but I have the issue building against 10.6 SDK with --enable-debug (no --enable-optimize)
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# [22:18] <gps> no I can't build m-c at all.
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# [22:18] <Bas> Hey, if thetinderboxes build it, then to anyone else I say, get a real OS like Windows or Linux *ducks and hides :P*
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# [22:19] <BenWa> Bas: Being a fan boys prevent you from being objective
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# [22:19] <rs> edmorley: is it safe to push to fx-team? I think I see that a talos patch was backed out but I just want to make sure.
# [22:19] <BenWa> ejpbruel: I'm being stuck developing on windows is punishment enough :P
# [22:20] <gps> Bas: real OS? like Solaris or BSD? :D
# [22:20] <Bas> BenWa: I'm not a fanboy, just anti-Mac, it's different :P I have 2 linux machines :)
# [22:20] <BenWa> him*
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# [22:20] <Bas> gps: BSD is okay :)
# [22:20] <ejpbruel> BenWa: developing ON windows is fine imho, visual studio rocks. developing FOR windows, now theres a diff story...
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# [22:20] <gps> BSD has ZFS and DTrace. that's all I will say ;)
# [22:20] <edmorley> rs: armenzg says that everything should be sorted now, so hopefully :-)
# [22:20] * rs beside the obviously failing test :(
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# [22:21] <Bas> ejpbruel: A lot has improved the last 5 years, it's just ashame you need to be backward compatible with XP :P
# [22:21] <edmorley> rs: yeah and that :-)
# [22:21] <Bas> Since for some reason WinXP just won't die already :)
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# [22:21] <edmorley> rs: I don't have an fx-team tree unfortunately, or I'd back that out
# [22:21] <gps> blame enterprises for the persistence of XP
# [22:22] <rs> edmorley: I just pinged him
# [22:22] <Bas> gps: I think part of it is the 'good-enough' problem.
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# [22:22] <Bas> My mom just says: 'Why would I need to install something else? It works just great for me. It never crashes, it runs word and gets me my e-mail.'
# [22:23] <jhammel> don't forget that upgrading isn't free
# [22:23] <Bas> jhammel: She can get a free copy from work.
# [22:23] <gps> if you buy a new computer, it is free
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# [22:23] <jhammel> gps: well, not really, but... ;)
# [22:24] <NeilAway> bz: what's the most obvious example of the fileuri strict origin policy?
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# [22:24] <Bas> And even then, the +/- 4 hours (for computer-smart people) you spend installing and configuring it if you upgrade yourself is already higher cost than the upgrade fee for the cheap versions :)
# [22:24] <philor> edmorley: sorry, I retriggered on the tip of inbound, then got called away
# [22:25] <Bas> If you're not computer smart it'll probably take you a day or more to get everything setup right, trumping the product cost completely.
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# [22:26] <jhammel> and that's why i use linux! its user friendly ;)
# [22:27] <Bas> jhammel: Putting my parents on linux nearly cost me my life :P
# [22:27] <jhammel> heh
# [22:27] <Bas> jhammel: They promised to try it for a year, which they did... after which they hated me for like 2 :p
# [22:28] <jhammel> i gave my parents linux once
# [22:28] <jhammel> they complained that it didn't have excel
# [22:28] <jhammel> i told them about ooffice and gnumeric but...
# [22:28] <jhammel> they wanted *name brand* excel
# [22:28] <jhammel> ...for no reason
# [22:28] <jhammel> most of my friends refused to try linux for the reason of games
# [22:28] <Fallen> rename the shortcut? :)
# [22:29] <Bas> jhammel: Mine mainly complained that when it crashed, it didn't have a pretty blue screen, everything just froze up, and that whenever they ran this 'package manager' when it wanted to upgrade, you never knew if stuff was going to still work when it came back :)
# [22:29] <jhammel> Fallen: nah, they're complaint was that it didn't "look like" excel (!)
# [22:29] <Fallen> haha well yeah that sucks
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# [22:29] <Bas> jhammel: C'mon, you -cannot- compare OO to excel, I haven't had an office license for 3 years now, been using OpenOffice, but the UI is nowhere near the quality of Excel :)
# [22:30] <jhammel> heh
# [22:30] <reuben> linux is a whole new level of user hostility
# [22:30] <Bas> Same for PowerPoint vs. OO Impress
# [22:30] <jhammel> well i don't understand why people want spreadsheets anyway, so i am a bad person to ask ;)
# [22:30] <jhammel> again, not sure why anyone would want powerpoint
# [22:30] <jhammel> or PDFs
# [22:30] <Bas> jhammel: You never give presentations? :P
# [22:30] <jhammel> or many things that seem the mainstay of peoples existence
# [22:30] <Bas> Awfully nice to have nice slides wooshing by :)
# [22:30] <gcp> OOo is comparable to office 2003, isn't it?
# [22:30] <gcp> granted, that's 9 years old
# [22:30] <jhammel> Bas: of course i do! i use HTML and s5, dammit!
# [22:31] <Bas> jhammel: I could do it in Canvas 2D too :p
# [22:31] <jhammel> ++
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# [22:31] <Bas> But once I spend more than 3 hours extra to do it in HTML or Canvas2D I might've just as well bought powerpoint :p
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# [22:31] <jhammel> eh
# [22:31] <jhammel> actually i usually use restructured text to s5
# [22:32] <Bas> gcp: OOo is comparable feature wise, yeah.
# [22:32] <jhammel> which i suppose tells you what i care about in presentations are
# [22:32] <gcp> UI is also similar to those old versions
# [22:32] <Bas> But text rendering and GUI graphical quality and intuitiveness (IMHO) lags behind
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# [22:33] <Bas> jhammel: The thing about this is, there's considerable evidence in cognitive sciences that the way a presentation looks and 'swooshes' significantly affects how well people pick up on the information you're presenting :)
# [22:33] <@smaug> edmorley: you've been star'ing m-c oranges. Is it ok to push a patch?
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# [22:34] <edmorley> smaug: yeah m-c looking ok :-)
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# [22:34] <jhammel> Bas: that is probably too for most people. i also assume that the billions of dollars advertisers spend actually return value
# [22:34] <Bas> Presentation is everything, i.e. there was evidence Windows Mobile 6.5 was faster at a lot of things, and had a much better battery life, than iPhone. However, the experience in WM 6.5 just -sucked- it sucked so incredibly badly, it didn't have the feeling people wanted, that it responded to everything they did, etc.
# [22:34] <Standard8> rs: is bug 668574 still landing today?
# [22:34] <jhammel> i just don't see it ;)
# [22:34] <rs> Standard8: I'm planning on it
# [22:35] <Standard8> rs: ok, we've blocked updates on our AUS server, just gonna do that patch
# [22:35] * rs as long as nothing gets in the way
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# [22:35] <rs> Standard8: good to hear and thanks
# [22:35] <Bas> jhammel: Fair enough :)
# [22:36] <jhammel> Bas: my window manager is also fluxbox ;)
# [22:36] <Bas> Heh :)
# [22:36] <jhammel> Bas: i'm very picky about UI, just picky in diferent ways
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# [22:36] <Standard8> rs: thanks for letting us know :-)
# [22:36] <rs> np
# [22:37] <AryehGregor> roc, so I'm reading <https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide/How_to_Submit_a_Patch> to refresh my memory, and I'm not sure what the next step is to get a checkin. Are the two patches you just reviewed ready for checkin-needed, or does something else have to happen first?
# [22:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c18523b51058 - Olli Pettay - Bug 716014 - Use CompartmentGC more often, r=billm,mccr8
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# [22:41] <jimm> josh: ping
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# [22:48] <NeilAway> anyone got an example of a fairly plain document with lots of content?
# [22:49] <@smaug> NeilAway: HTML document?
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# [22:49] <NeilAway> smaug: yeah, on the web
# [22:49] <@smaug> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/
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# [22:55] <Fallen> what target is called by default after the libs:: target?
# [22:55] <NeilAway> tools?
# [22:55] <@khuey> yes
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# [22:56] <NeilAway> smaug: hmm, maybe I would have been better off with a tinderbox log ;-)
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# [22:56] <@smaug> NeilAway: or mxr page for nsCSSFrameConstructor.cpp
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# [22:58] <Fallen> NeilAway: hmm still too early. I need something to run after an xpi is packaged. I tried export, but that doesn't seem to work
# [22:58] <Jesse> NeilAway: "random file in your downloads directory can't access your passwords" is the motivating example of strict fileurl origin
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# [22:59] <edmorley> armenzg: are you sure the talos issues are fixed? lots of red still on m-i, thought it was just the runs started before the later fix, but maybe not?
# [22:59] <NeilAway> Jesse: yes but I want a simple test case... <iframe src=..> seems to work here, so I need something better
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# [22:59] <Jesse> NeilAway: try reaching into the iframe, you should get an exception
# [22:59] <Jesse> NeilAway: <iframe src> is just the linking policy
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# [23:00] <Jesse> NeilAway: e.g. iframe.contentDocument
# [23:00] <armenzg> edmorley: I see already some green
# [23:00] <armenzg> I triggered each suite for each OS
# [23:01] <armenzg> there is a bunch of running jobs that will turn green
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# [23:01] <armenzg> edmorley: you can also see m-c turning green
# [23:01] <timeless> oh silly me
# [23:01] <edmorley> armenzg: yeah, I've seen those, but retriggers after I already saw those are still coming back red
# [23:01] * timeless forgot why mozilla wanted gtk2
# [23:01] <timeless> grumble
# [23:01] <edmorley> armenzg: unless there's just now a massive backlog
# [23:01] <@smaug> timeless: ?
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# [23:02] <armenzg> I am going to shoot myself
# [23:02] <timeless> smaug: i'm on qnx
# [23:02] <timeless> in the old days mozilla built against photon
# [23:02] <armenzg> why some slaves are failing and others not?
# [23:02] <timeless> but that was removed
# [23:02] <edmorley> armenzg: can I leave you in charge of retriggering all of them until they go green?
# [23:02] <njn> bz: ping
# [23:02] <armenzg> edmorley: yes
# [23:02] <timeless> sadly google won't tell me when
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# [23:02] <edmorley> armenzg: thank you :-)
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# [23:05] <timeless> e754ea37b4c4
# [23:05] <@smaug> why is there such a large gray area for each page
# [23:05] <@smaug> s/page/link/
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# [23:07] <jimm> josh: hey, that patch passed try, so I think we have a good fix for that crash.
# [23:07] <josh> reviewing now, trying to do it quickly without totally tuning out of the meeting I'm in
# [23:07] <josh> thanks for the patch!
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# [23:08] <jimm> yep
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# [23:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e777c939a3f9 - Neil Rashbrook - Better test for bug 649840. r=ehsan. + bustage-fix by sgautherie.
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# [23:09] <josh> jimm: Did you do logging to see that nsPluginInstanceOwner::Destroy happens before the object frame is destroyed? I was seeing the frames destructors long before the instance owner destructors (as I'd expect), but perhaps ::Destroy happens before either destructor.
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# [23:15] <jimm> josh: doesn't nsPlugtinInstanceOwner have a ref'd copy of the object frame? (mObjectFrame)
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# [23:15] <josh> jimm: you can't refcount frames
# [23:16] <josh> they just get deleted when layout is done with them (maybe that's a little simplistic, I'm not an expert on that)
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# [23:17] <smontagu> ehsan: did you ping me y'day?
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# [23:20] <@ehsan> smontagu: yeah, I was going to suggest you write a hacks blog post on <bdi>
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# [23:20] <smontagu> ehsan: from what angle?
# [23:21] <smontagu> or rather, for what audience?
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# [23:21] <@ehsan> smontagu: web developers
# [23:21] <smontagu> k
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# [23:22] <@ehsan> smontagu: thanks :)
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# [23:24] <jlebar|mac> How do I debug a content process in GDB?
# [23:25] * smontagu saw something just the other day that would be a great example of when to use bdi, now if I could only remember what it was
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# [23:25] <@khuey> we have content processes?
# [23:25] <jlebar|mac> Oh, it's in the wiki.
# [23:25] <jlebar|mac> khuey: I have content processes.
# [23:25] <jlebar|mac> khuey: Right now, "content" means "crash".
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# [23:25] <@khuey> you should see a doctor about that
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# [23:25] <jlebar|mac> I may need to see a doctor when I'm through here...
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# [23:29] <smontagu> ‫with John Smith and 22 אחרים
# [23:30] * armenzg retriggers Leopard and Windows talos jobs
# [23:30] <@roc> AryehGregor: they are ready for checkin-needed
# [23:31] <armenzg> because wget has to behave different on each OS
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# [23:31] <smontagu> facebook has this habit of randomly localizing parts of status messages, which can lead to some strange results in bidirectional languages
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# [23:32] <blassey> josh: ping?
# [23:32] <josh> blassey: ?
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# [23:32] <blassey> josh: snorp bisected our plugin down to your patch
# [23:32] <josh> "our plugin"?
# [23:33] <blassey> changing ownership from layout to content
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# [23:33] <blassey> plugin bustage
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# [23:33] <blassey> plugins on android are broken today
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# [23:33] <blassey> so... we'd like to back out
# [23:34] <blassey> snorp has it backed out locally and that fixes android plugins
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# [23:34] <blassey> but it wasn't a clean backout, so he'd like you to either OK the backout patch he has
# [23:34] <blassey> or back it out yourself
# [23:34] <snorp> actually I don't have a patch that builds yet :)
# [23:34] <josh> are you sure it's hard to fix? I'd obviously really like to not back out
# [23:34] <snorp> but I see it has some other problems that we'd need to fix
# [23:34] <gavin> is it caused by some interaction with snorp's changes?
# [23:34] <josh> it's pretty hard to back out already, though possible
# [23:35] <snorp> yeah I was having trouble backing it out
# [23:35] <blassey> ahh... I misunderstood snorp then
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# [23:35] <blassey> I'll let you guys figure out what the right thing to do is
# [23:35] <snorp> josh: I don't fully understand the change so far...
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# [23:36] <snorp> josh: where can I put stuff that used to be in nsPluginInstanceOwner::PrepareToStop() for instance
# [23:36] <josh> I know it's a pain because the patch basically messes with everything in our plugin impl, but I still think the best thing to do is work through the issues ASAP. I could help you debug your issue tomorrow.
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# [23:43] <josh> jimm: If you're still happy with your patch it looks good to me.
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# [23:43] <Jesse> roc: this is the privileged part of the code i'm using to allow the fuzzer to find inconsistent-rendering bugs
# [23:43] <Jesse> roc: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1472693
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# [23:44] <jimm> josh: I'll double check the dtor thing. if I don't see any issues I'll land it on inbound tonight.
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# [23:44] <josh> jimm: thanks, I just want to verify that our understanding of the fix is correct
# [23:44] <Jesse> roc: would it make sense to look for painting bugs too? would i need to copy the invalidation stuff from reftest.js? how does that stuff work?
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# [23:45] <armenzg> jhford-buildduty: philor edmorley I screwed up several times today and I wrote it down in bug 719574
# [23:45] <armenzg> I triggered the Leopard and Windows talos jobs
# [23:45] <armenzg> and they are running now properly
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# [23:45] <armenzg> I will be back in 15 mins (going offline) and be back to confirm
# [23:45] <armenzg> I am very sorry for the big mess up
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# [23:46] <armenzg> it should be fixed now fwiw
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# [23:46] <@roc> Jesse: it uses MozAfterPaint and DOMWindowUtils.mozafterpaintpending
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# [23:46] <@roc> it's tricky to get right
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# [23:46] <@roc> you might find this script helpful too: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/base/tests/chrome/paint_listener.js
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# [23:49] <Jesse> does isMozAfterPaintPending tell you about all pending painting and things that could cause painting?
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# [23:52] <Jesse> roc: and here's roughly the content part of my script: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1472698
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# [23:52] <@roc> you have to flush layout first
# [23:53] <@roc> paint_listener.js does it
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# [23:53] <nemo> wesj: http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase239.xhtml - demos bug/weakness in both webkit and gecko implementations. Making webkit and gecko work on same page requires that ugly background-position abuse though
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# [23:53] <nemo> wesj: which could easily stop working in future webkit or gecko :-/ (depending on which one was used, -moz or -webkit)
# [23:54] <philor> edmorley: is it just me, or has inbound been leaking rather a lot since 5e56264ba8ae?
# [23:54] <Jesse> roc: so once you flush layout with getBoundingClientRect / offsetHeight, isMozAfterPaintPending usually becomes true?
# [23:54] <nemo> sometimes the web does not rock :(
# [23:54] <@roc> yes
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# [23:55] <edmorley> philor: yeah it does look a bit suspect :-(
# [23:56] <wesj> nemo: i bet there's some tricky way to get around the background-image bug in firefox as well... just isn't coming to me at the moment. but yeah, masks in web content kinda suck right now, and i haven't heard anyone talking like they're going to budge. sorta like what's going on with audio...
# [23:57] <nemo> hehehe
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# [23:57] <Jesse> roc: can i make the paints happen synchronously or do i have to spin the event loop?
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# [23:58] <@roc> you cannot make the paints happen synchronously
# [23:58] <@roc> sync painting is eeeeeeeeevil
# [23:58] <@roc> there might actually be ways to do it currently, but we're working on getting rid of them :-)
# [23:58] <Jesse> maybe i can use sync XHR to spin the event loop without my other content scripts running ;)
# [23:59] <@khuey> do we repaint during a sync XHR?
# [23:59] <@roc> nemo: you're using filter to do a mask?
# [23:59] <@roc> why don't you just ... use mask?
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