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# Session Start: Sun Feb 05 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e12946e259c9 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 707039. (Dv4) XPFE autocomplete.xml: Adjust the direction of the (content) autocomplete popup list based on the textbox direction. r=neil.
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# [00:34] <testman> Hi. are there any plans of removing titlebar in Linux, just like already practiced in Windows or as Google Chrome does in Linux?
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# [00:35] <aleth> testman: Your window manager can probably do this for you. Certainly on KDE, or with compiz
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# [00:35] <cmr> testman: I've already gotten rid of mine with my wm
# [00:35] <testman> Gnome 3 in fallback mode
# [00:36] <testman> Matecity
# [00:36] <testman> can I do it?
# [00:36] <cmr> Probably
# [00:36] <cmr> You'd have to ask someone who uses those things to know for sure.
# [00:38] <testman> I am willing to accept this challange, but will this be just a checkbox for non-advanced users in future?
# [00:38] <testman> By the way, love the new new-tab-speeddial
# [00:39] <cmr> There's no standard interface for this.
# [00:39] <testman> How come Chrome can do it? Google made interface hacks for all interfaces?
# [00:39] <cmr> Hm, good question, let me poke around a bit.
# [00:39] <testman> :)
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# [00:40] <@smaug> Chrome certainly doesn't care about the OS level styling
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# [00:42] * darktrojan isn't convinced it's that important
# [00:43] <darktrojan> (no titlebar, that is)
# [00:43] <@smaug> darktrojan: linux users used to complain a lot when Firefox didn't look like a "native" application
# [00:43] <cmr> It isn't an x property as far as I can see.
# [00:43] <cmr> smaug: chromium has an option to use the system gtk theme
# [00:44] <darktrojan> it does look like one, so why change it
# [00:44] <darktrojan> linux users complain about a lot, IMO
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# [00:45] <testman> oh, one more thing/idea. Now that new tab opens 3x3 favourites matrix, could we get a choice in Preferences to choose what new tab opens: blank page, home page or 3x3 matrix ?
# [00:45] <aleth> Well, the FF UI generally doesn't look as polished on Linux... that's probably why ;)
# [00:45] <darktrojan> testman, browser.newtab.url
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# [00:46] * @khuey made it to SF
# [00:46] <darktrojan> khuey++
# [00:46] <biesi> khuey, welcome!
# [00:46] <darktrojan> testman, that pref could do with a UI, I agree
# [00:46] <biesi> (I say, while being in brussels)
# [00:46] <@smaug> aleth: I don't know what is not that polished in FF on Linux, at least when comparing to other browsers
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# [00:47] <@khuey> biesi: heh
# [00:47] <@smaug> but, I agree, a pref to hide titlebar might be nice
# [00:47] <testman> brb restart FF
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# [00:48] <testman> Nice, one addon less (New Tab Homepage addon taht is) :D
# [00:48] <aleth> smaug: Relatively speaking, I prefer FF too ;) But for example the tab styling isn't as nice. Or the forward/back button. Little things like that.
# [00:48] <aleth> (as nice as on OSX or Windows, that is)
# [00:49] <@smaug> aleth: back/forward is styled "natively"
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# [00:49] <@smaug> Nautilus has the same styling
# [00:50] <darktrojan> I'm tempted to turn winstripe into a theme to see what it looks like on linux
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# [00:50] * darktrojan doesn't really like the native icons
# [00:50] <aleth> smaug: It's just my impression. But on Win/OSX there are simply more little details that differ from the native styling in good ways.
# [00:51] <nemo> so. now that firefox uses skia too, does the fact that latest chromium update said something about uninitialised value in skia fix, mean that firefox is vulnerable too unless I disable skia?
# [00:51] <nemo> (linux that is)
# [00:51] <aleth> smaug: Of course Linux is tricky because of the variety of window managers...
# [00:51] <nemo> http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2011-3927
# [00:51] <nemo> that is
# [00:52] <aleth> ...but since FF only supports gtk anyway that should not be so much of an issue.
# [00:52] <@smaug> nemo: does FF use Skia on linux by default?
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# [00:53] <nemo> smaug: erm, FF13 seems to at least
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# [00:53] <nemo> smaug: not sure what version it was changed in
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# [00:58] <@khuey> nemo: I'm pretty sure we're still using cairo for content rendering
# [00:58] <nemo> khuey: 'k
# [00:58] <nemo> khuey: oh. right. I had to enable that azure flag in my profile
# [00:59] <nemo> so I guess I'm alright :)
# [00:59] <@khuey> nemo: yeah
# [00:59] <nemo> gfx.canvas.azure.enabled that is
# [00:59] <@khuey> nemo: worth investigating if we're using it for <canvas> though
# [00:59] <nemo> khuey: not, apparently
# [00:59] <nemo> since if I enable that flag, I get canvas crash
# [01:00] <nemo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=561361 that I was blathering in
# [01:00] <WG9s> smaug: It does, but I believe on Nightly builds only.
# [01:01] <nemo> khuey: I turned it off again, but I do want to try his patch at some point
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# [01:04] <WG9s> smaug: if hg.mozilla.org were actually at all responsive I could give a definitive answer to your skia question ;-)
# [01:05] <@smaug> WG9s: I think khuey gave the answer already
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# [01:27] <nemo> khuey|away: reason for enabling gfx.canvas.azure.enabled was hoping to get better than 2 or 3 fps on
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# [01:27] <nemo> http://www.adityaravishankar.com/projects/games/command-and-conquer/
# [01:27] <cmr> heh
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# [01:27] <nemo> I wonder if webgl would do better at that
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# [01:31] <darktrojan> I got that yesterday :(
# [01:32] <darktrojan> make makefiles didn't
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# [01:34] <nemo> Yeah, the difference is night and day on that C&C html5 game
# [01:34] <nemo> chromium is perfectly smooth
# [01:34] <nemo> I do hope skia fixes
# [01:34] <nemo> weird though. I thought xrender did quite well on this graphics card...
# [01:35] <jaws> is there someone that can review this simple patch for all.js to make a pref visible in about:config by default? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723716
# [01:35] <jaws> i'd rather not bug bsmedberg with the review
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# [01:38] <darktrojan> r+ me (kidding)
# [01:39] * Yoric seems to be one of the first experiments of the autolander.
# [01:39] * Yoric will see how that turns out.
# [01:39] <Yoric> Anyway, goodnight everyone.
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# [02:01] <jdm-f00ding> jaws|away: give mossop a try?
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# [03:02] <tbsaunde> \/win 23
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# [03:04] <hendry> Can I override netError.xhtml via an extension, in order to retry network every 3 seconds say? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9137815/detecting-when-firefox-is-showing-a-server-not-found-message
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# [03:23] <jdm> firebot: uuid
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# [03:31] <@khuey> hendry: you should be able to
# [03:31] <@khuey> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Chrome_Registration#override
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# [03:36] <hendry> khuey: thanks, need to dig up an example
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# [03:37] <@khuey> hendry: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/xul/chrome/jar.mn#89
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# [03:46] <hendry> ok I have tweaked ./src/mozilla-release/docshell/resources/content/netError.xhtml and copied it into my extension
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# [03:49] <hendry> and it works :)
# [03:50] <hendry> thanks khuey
# [03:50] <@khuey> np
# [03:54] <hendry> khuey: https://github.com/Webconverger/iceweasel-webconverger/commit/c50fe464a3449bcfdb75aae4a89068cbb36d8801#L1R410
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# [04:03] <@bz_sleep> khuey: ping
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# [04:04] <@khuey> bz: pong
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# [04:04] <@bz> khuey: two question
# [04:04] <@bz> khuey: first, I sent you some mail about idl parser stuff
# [04:04] <@bz> khuey: not urgent at least till Monday, I guess.
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# [04:05] <@khuey> heh
# [04:05] <derf> I can see how well that's going for you.
# [04:05] <@bz> khuey: second question is... how can I tell from a tbox log whether a Windows build used MSVC 2010 or not?
# [04:05] <@bz> this isn't work
# [04:05] <@bz> this is checking email. ;)
# [04:05] <@bz> khuey: specifically, I pushed https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=cd2dfa804461
# [04:05] <@khuey> oh, I could have sworn I replied to that email
# [04:05] <@bz> khuey: and it got an internal compiler error on Win opt PGO
# [04:06] <@bz> khuey: just like it used to
# [04:06] <@khuey> ha
# [04:06] <@bz> khuey: the mozconfig _says_ something about vs2010
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# [04:06] <@bz> khuey: but I'm somewhat hoping that for some reason it didn't get used or something. ;)
# [04:07] <@khuey> I wouldn't get your hopes up
# [04:07] * @khuey looks at the log
# [04:07] <@bz> mmm
# [04:07] <@khuey> LINK : fatal error LNK1000: Internal error during IMAGE::BuildImage
# [04:07] <@khuey> Version 10.00.30319.01
# [04:07] <@khuey> that's the 2010 linker
# [04:08] <@bz> %$^%&^&%
# [04:08] <@bz> a-hem
# [04:08] <@khuey> heh
# [04:08] <@bz> sorry about that outburst. ;)
# [04:08] <@bz> alright
# [04:08] <@khuey> so, we can file a bug with MS
# [04:08] <@bz> now what the hell do I do with this? ;)
# [04:08] <@bz> yes
# [04:08] <@bz> internal compiler error pretty clearly indicates a bug on their side
# [04:08] <@bz> to me
# [04:08] <@khuey> how to proceed in getting this landed in a reasonable amount of time, idk
# [04:09] <@bz> heh
# [04:09] <@khuey> yeah, it's definitely their bug
# [04:09] <@bz> I'll worry about that
# [04:09] <@bz> can you file the bug on them?
# [04:09] <@bz> whenever you're not in the middle of moving and all?
# [04:09] <@khuey> on monday probably
# [04:09] <@bz> ok
# [04:09] <@bz> sounds good
# [04:09] <@khuey> I have to put together a bunch of stuff to file bugs on them
# [04:09] <@bz> The patch that depends on this stuff is not really ready to go yet anyway
# [04:10] <@khuey> basically we run the linker in a special mode that captures all its inputs
# [04:10] <@khuey> and then zip that up for them
# [04:10] <@bz> any idea what their turnaround times are on stuff?
# [04:10] <@khuey> and it's a total pita ;-)
# [04:10] <@bz> as in, whether I should assume that if I want to land this by summer I need a workaround?
# [04:10] <@khuey> they're usually reasonably quick about investigating stuff
# [04:10] <@khuey> fixing it is kind of a crapshoot
# [04:10] * @bz mutters about how this _used_ to compile on 2010, or so it was claimed
# [04:10] <@bz> ok
# [04:11] <@bz> If they're quick about investigating and want to suggest a workaround...
# [04:11] <@bz> I'll take that too. ;)
# [04:11] <@khuey> yeah
# [04:11] <@khuey> we could probably put some pressure on them to give us a hotfix too
# [04:11] <@khuey> I hear we have business dealings with them these days
# [04:12] <@bz> right
# [04:12] <@bz> ok
# [04:12] <@bz> well, let's see what they say
# [04:12] <@khuey> so I'll respond to your email tomorrow
# [04:12] <@khuey> and file the MS bug on monday
# [04:12] <@bz> I should finish merging the other stuff and fixing it
# [04:12] <@bz> and then see whether I want to land this first or bitrot it with the fast parent thing...
# [04:12] <@bz> sounds good
# [04:12] <@bz> how's the move going?
# [04:12] <@khuey> good
# [04:12] <@khuey> it's sort of over
# [04:12] <@khuey> at least for now
# [04:13] <@khuey> I'm in SF and whatnot
# [04:13] <@khuey> at some point I have to find a more permanent living arrangement, of course
# [04:13] <@bz> ok
# [04:13] <@bz> does "whatnot" mean your things are likewise in SF at this point, insofar as you brought them?
# [04:14] <@khuey> the things I brought on the plane are
# [04:14] <@khuey> I have several boxes of stuff that are on a fedex semi somewhere
# [04:14] <@khuey> hopefully they show up!
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# [04:32] <sysKin> o/
# [04:32] <sysKin> anyone knows a bug # for running plugin-container.exe under restricted privileges on vista/7 ?
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# [04:44] <jdm> sysKin: I don't recall seeing one about that
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# [04:48] <Jonathan_> jdm, it would be like Bug 266533?
# [04:49] <jdm> Jonathan_: looks like it!
# [04:49] <jdm> sysKin: ^
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# [04:52] <sysKin> Jonathan_: as I mentioned, I mean the very specific case of plugin-container, rather than full-blown protected-mode-lookalike
# [04:52] <Jonathan_> protected mode is just low-privilege mode, weird
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# [04:57] <Jonathan_> sysKin http://www.victorc.org/2008/03/internet-explorer-7-protected-mode-vs.html
# [04:57] <Jonathan_> you can set plugin-container.exe or firefox.exe as low Integrity
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# [05:14] <Jonathan_> ^ sysKin
# [05:14] <sysKin> hm?
# [05:15] <Jonathan_> sysKin, just set it as low Integrity
# [05:16] <sysKin> on my computer? I don't care
# [05:16] <jdm> firebot: uuid
# [05:16] <@bz> sysKin: have you actually tried running plug-ins in that mode?
# [05:16] <firebot> e8f76473-bd7e-4af0-ac6c-80ee0aa1d4d5 (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
# [05:16] <sysKin> heck I even have UAC in silent mode. I have no problenms with any of that
# [05:16] <@bz> sysKin: keep in mind that the most popular plug-ins are used to do network access, raw device access, etc
# [05:17] <@bz> sysKin: all things that low-integrity mode is supposed to prevent, if I understand correctly
# [05:17] <sysKin> bz: yeah I can imagine :( but I think chrome's content processes use Low integrity, and run plugins in them?
# [05:17] <@bz> sysKin: they run plug-ins in a separate process
# [05:17] <@bz> sysKin: separate from their renderer
# [05:17] <@khuey> chrome doesn't use low integrity for their plugin processes
# [05:17] <@bz> sysKin: and not sandboxed
# [05:17] <sysKin> bz: anyway, my next step is to hack my local FF build to start plugin-container this way (example code is on msdn) and see what happens :)
# [05:17] <@bz> sysKin: they tried to, and plug-ins totally broke
# [05:18] <@bz> sysKin: so they had to give up on that idea
# [05:18] <sysKin> ooooh really? now that sucks
# [05:19] * @bz notices "plug-ins" and "sucks" in the same thought, is forced to agree
# [05:20] <sysKin> I mostly care because I'm sick of fixing people's computers after they explosed their java 1.6.10 and ancient adobe reader-enabled firefox to random websites, and then they ask for help. *anything* that would help with those is a godsend
# [05:20] <Jonathan_> bz like Flash Player
# [05:20] <@bz> sysKin: pretty sure we can't sandbox java and have it keep working
# [05:20] <ohsix> charge them money
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# [05:21] <sysKin> and given that 50% of people I know also can't upgrade flash (updates bugs them and fails on every startup).... you see where I'm coming from
# [05:21] <@bz> sysKin: (e.g. the only use of java I've dealt with recently is the dumb file uploader applet costco photo center has, and I believe low rights mode would prevent that from working)
# [05:21] <@bz> On the other hand, this premise that java has to work by default... we should reexamine that
# [05:21] <@bz> are doing that, in fact
# [05:21] <@bz> (not just for Java, too)
# [05:22] <@bz> ok
# [05:22] <@bz> gotta sleep
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# [05:22] <sysKin> yeah, a click-to-run on every plugin (with very easy "don't ask me for [this website] anymore") would be great too
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# [05:22] <Callek> syskin "updates bug them" is a poor reason not to update
# [05:22] <@bz_sleep> sysKin: being worked on.
# [05:22] <Callek> and is a great reason to say, "you must pay me $40 an hour for my time
# [05:22] <sysKin> Callek: bugs them and fails and repeats
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# [05:23] <Callek> sysKin: or just give them flashblock and disable java entirely
# [05:23] <ohsix> i thought there was already a plugin version list that at least told people to upgrade, aside from adobe's updaters; couldn't it be used to disable them until either an upgrade or a "i insist!" intervenes?
# [05:23] <sysKin> Callek: yeah, except I can onkly do that *after* I'm called
# [05:23] <Callek> you'll kill off the most common attack vectors for a lot of trojans
# [05:23] <@bz_sleep> $40 an hour? You must be talking about family or something
# [05:23] <Jonathan_> Callek, they will complain like "FIREFOX: Y FLASH PLAYER NOT WORKING"
# [05:23] <Callek> bz_sleep: yes family :-P
# [05:24] <sysKin> Callek: flash updater fails 100% if any startup programs uses flash. many programs do
# [05:24] <Jonathan_> there is a startup program run flash?
# [05:24] <ohsix> i guess i got lucky and most all the machines i have to support already came with flashblock and junk, family doesn't know any different' (and it's hilarious when my mom sees an ad on the internet, she reads it like it's useful information, usually out loud)
# [05:25] <sysKin> I help eople in my local polish community. they use this IM program called gadu-gadu. it starts on startup (by default) and yes, uses flash
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# [05:25] <ohsix> Jonathan_: not many that use the npapi plugin ... the activex version, yea
# [05:25] <sysKin> every one of those people will never *ever* receive a flash upgrade
# [05:26] <Jonathan_> ohsix, npapi flash installer doesn't touch activex one.
# [05:26] <ohsix> and vice versa
# [05:27] <ohsix> sysKin: they must already be stuck on an old updater, the ones i'm familiar with will tell you to close an app that has it open, and failing that use the move-at-reboot mechanism windows has
# [05:27] <sysKin> ohsix: yes that's a possibility, I didn't test new versions
# [05:28] <Jonathan_> ohsix, one time my friend called me up "I got virus" so I walk to his house. He show me what is this "so-called virus". It actually was Add/Remove Program wouldn't uninstalled it
# [05:29] <darktrojan> you ought to get a deposit before even turning up
# [05:30] <ohsix> Jonathan_: there are tv ads that tell people their computers will be permanently damaged by "viruses", and that you may not even know you have them! (corollary: the people listening do not know what they are, and the commercialas don't elaborate, convenient)
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# [05:30] <Jonathan_> lolwut?
# [05:30] <ohsix> ya
# [05:30] <darktrojan> "go here and download this virus to get rid of your viruses"
# [05:31] <ohsix> basically
# [05:31] <darktrojan> :D
# [05:31] <darktrojan> "oh and give us money"
# [05:31] <ohsix> go here and download something that will solicit you for money constantly and probably not do anything
# [05:31] <Jonathan_> darktrojan, WinAntivirus?
# [05:31] <sysKin> haven't heard of tv ads like that, but I did hear about phone calls from someone claiming to represent microsoft and telling you just that
# [05:31] <darktrojan> win!
# [05:32] <Jonathan_> ohsix, there is one commercial like "If you download our product, it will increase your computer by 20%"
# [05:32] <Jonathan_> speed
# [05:32] <darktrojan> heh
# [05:32] <darktrojan> that's what google chrome says
# [05:32] <sysKin> ah, speed. that changes my mental picture
# [05:32] <Jonathan_> darktrojan, weird
# [05:33] <darktrojan> makes your internet faster wooooo!
# [05:33] <Jonathan_> Ric Flair, is that you?
# [05:35] <Jonathan_> darktrojan, have you seen myfasterpc.com commerical?
# [05:35] <darktrojan> nope
# [05:36] <darktrojan> heh, speedtest.net just rated my connection D-
# [05:36] <darktrojan> about right
# [05:36] <Jonathan_> it looks like basic maintenance cleanup
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# [05:40] <ohsix> if i wasn't paid to do it i'd find rugular pc "maintenance" extremely silly :]
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# [05:40] <sysKin> ok changing integrity level of plugin-container.exe file has no effect on how the process is later started by firefox
# [05:40] <sysKin> need to hack code. brb
# [05:41] <ohsix> i thought separate security contexts on vista+ came with plugin-container from the beginning
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# [06:22] <larfdesk> http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Performance/Preschool/Default.html
# [06:23] <larfdesk> ^ that crashed my old 10 beta, and now my 11 beta
# [06:25] <sysKin> *click*
# [06:25] <sysKin> that takes ages to load...
# [06:25] <larfdesk> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-c2920e31-52e8-4cbd-a19c-0c7ad2120205
# [06:26] <larfdesk> with me it crashes the first time I see it, then afterwards it loads and works
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# [06:28] <sysKin> 7.007 seconds
# [06:28] <sysKin> what a nice number.... anyway, did not crash
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# [07:30] <jdm> about:nosy looks amazing
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# [08:36] <philor> not especially, no
# [08:37] <philor> but in this case, I need a place to trigger enough Win7 xpcshell runs to trick talos-r3-w7-037 into doing one
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# [08:38] <philor> ms2{tab}, thanks for offering!
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# [08:39] <darktrojan> you get to the 2?
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# [09:25] <jdm> sometimes I need to stop moaning about how much effort something will be and just do it
# [09:26] <darktrojan> anything in particular?
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# [09:34] <jdm> darktrojan: in this case, writing a 90kb patch to make the download manager component work with the proposed new private browsing architecture
# [09:35] <jdm> I've been futzing around with it for days; today I just sat down and banged it out instead of studying for my midterm
# [09:35] <kwierso> at least you have your priorities right
# [09:35] <kwierso> :)
# [09:35] <darktrojan> nice
# [09:35] <darktrojan> if you're going to procrastinate, just do it
# [09:39] <ewong> darktrojan: the procrastinging part or doing the patch? ;P
# [09:39] <darktrojan> the procrastinating
# [09:39] <ewong> s/procrastinging/procrastinating/
# [09:39] <darktrojan> I always said "oh I won't do that, I should be studying"
# [09:40] <darktrojan> and did neither
# [09:40] <jdm> heh
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# [11:22] <Ms2ger> Er, why did I get a million xpcshells on win7
# [11:23] <Ms2ger> philor|away?
# [11:24] <darktrojan> yes it was him
# [11:24] <darktrojan> <philor> but in this case, I need a place to trigger enough Win7 xpcshell runs to trick talos-r3-w7-037 into doing one
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# [11:26] <darktrojan> doesn't appear to have succeeded
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# [11:30] <Ms2ger> The red was on 037
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# [11:42] <Ms2ger> philor|away, np, feel free to abuse my try runs anytime :)
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# [12:07] <edmorley> Ms2ger: And how are you this morning? :-)
# [12:08] <Ms2ger> Good good, you? :)
# [12:08] <edmorley> s/morning/afternoon/
# [12:08] <edmorley> good thank you... it's been snowing! \o/
# [12:08] <@smaug> Ms2ger: coming to Fosdem today ? :)
# [12:09] <Ms2ger> smaug, I'm already expected elsewhere, I'm afraid
# [12:09] <Ms2ger> edmorley, yeah, snow is fun... As long as you don't have to leave your house :)
# [12:10] <@smaug> Ms2ger: excuses, always excuses
# [12:11] <hendry> hi, i'm overriding netError.xhtml in an extension, and trying to call goQuitApplication(); but it doesn't work. Is there some special namespace?
# [12:12] <edmorley> Ms2ger: fortunately shops are within walking distance for me, though apparently the underground is having issues
# [12:17] <@smaug> edmorley: you're in London?
# [12:18] <NeilAway> hendry: iirc netError.xhtml is a web page, it has the same privileges as the page that failed to load would have had
# [12:18] <edmorley> smaug: yeah
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# [12:24] <@smaug> edmorley: could you please keep the snow clouds there and not send them to Brussels
# [12:24] <edmorley> ha
# [12:25] * edmorley wonders if flights are going to be cancelled over there, like at heathrow
# [12:25] <biesi> oy I hope not :(
# [12:26] <Ms2ger> Probably
# [12:27] <biesi> hmm today's version of my flight was cancelled
# [12:27] <Callek> smaug: ooo are you attending FOSDEM as well?
# [12:27] * Callek didn't catch that you headed there ;-)
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# [12:32] <edmorley> \o/ bbc news using aurora http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16869427
# [12:33] <edmorley> (in their video footage)
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# [12:43] <chewey> edmorley: The weirdest use of Firefox on TV I know of is on the Daily Show: They use some kind of sanitised 3.5-GUI with an empty URL bar. It's probably just a bitmap overlay though…
# [12:44] <edmorley> huh
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# [12:47] <chewey> edmorley: The text is of a certain hilarity: "… and where customers go by code names." So, like IRC?
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# [12:47] <edmorley> yeah same thought crossed my mind :-)
# [12:48] <edmorley> compared to a lot of other mainstream news tech reporting I thought it could have been worse
# [12:48] <edmorley> to their credit they did mention bitcoin has legitimate uses
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# [12:50] <chewey> Tech reporting generally seems to be a weak point at the BBC though.
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# [12:51] <spchal> I am a GSoC aspirant and I would like to know whether Mozilla is applying for it this year.
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# [12:56] <Ms2ger> We will probably be applying
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# [13:00] <spchal> Ok! I am interested in contributing to Mozilla and I have started with some bug-fixing in Thunderbird. Will that satisfy the pre-requisites for getting selected by Mozilla? Is there something else that I must do other than the project idea?
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# [13:02] <sysKin> spchal: general order is: find or file a bug, attach your patch, request a review for someone
# [13:02] <sysKin> then he gives you all the feedback you need :)
# [13:02] <sysKin> in unrelated news, any idea what I'm doing wrong: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1475845 ?
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# [13:06] <spchal> Are there any preferences or priorities among Firefox, Thunderbird or Seamonkey for Mozilla?
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# [13:07] <Ms2ger> Firefox is pretty much the main priority
# [13:07] <Ms2ger> Sorry Callek!
# [13:07] <nigelb> heh
# [13:08] <Ms2ger> sysKin, I think I saw someone hit that error before, but I don't remember the solution :(
# [13:08] <sysKin> :(
# [13:10] <jfkthame> sysKin: no specific idea, but have you tried clobbering your objdir and rebuilding from scratch?
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# [13:10] <sysKin> jfkthame: yes
# [13:10] <sysKin> always hits this spot :/
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# [13:11] <jfkthame> hmmm... is this an up-to-date m-c tree? is the problem a recent development?
# [13:12] <sysKin> I haven't built in *ages*, so this is a pull/update on something from last year
# [13:12] <jfkthame> might be worth checking if there's a newer mozilla-build
# [13:12] <sysKin> I downloaded mozilla build today
# [13:12] <jfkthame> oh, ok!
# [13:12] <sysKin> installed visual studio fresh, too
# [13:13] <jfkthame> which version of VS?
# [13:13] <sysKin> 10
# [13:14] <sysKin> hmmmm waitaminute, I think it's working new
# [13:14] <sysKin> after another pull/update
# [13:14] <sysKin> no wait, nevermind
# [13:15] <jfkthame> seems like it ought to work - sorry, i don't know why it's failing for you :(
# [13:16] <sysKin> maybe I'll start from a new clone. but tomorrow, it takes too long to do this tonight
# [13:17] <sysKin> is there any way to hg revert all local changes?
# [13:17] <biesi> yeah, hg revret -a
# [13:17] <biesi> without the typo
# [13:17] <sysKin> ok thank you, doing that
# [13:18] <jfkthame> what about your mozconfig, anything in there that might be relevant?
# [13:19] <sysKin> it's the same I've used last time -- enable-debug, disable-optimize, disable-angle
# [13:19] <jfkthame> and what's the actual build command you're issuing to start the process?
# [13:19] <sysKin> hmmm revert seems to have affected a few files in that /ipc/ directory -- funy, I never touched it before. let's see
# [13:20] <jfkthame> ah - that sounds possibly-hopeful
# [13:20] <sysKin> ok looks good, thank you all ~
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# [13:26] <@smaug> what is the easiest way to get something to build logs
# [13:26] <@smaug> (debug build)
# [13:26] <@smaug> would adding just printf to the code work ?
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# [13:28] * jfkthame logs from (e.g.) tryserver runs, you mean? i'm not sure if plain printf would appear there, but NS_WARNING surely would
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# [13:30] <@smaug> jfkthame: ah, ok
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# [13:30] <@smaug> I'll try NS_WARNING
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# [13:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/377336a5ad8e - Andreas Gal - Remove DOS carriage return (^M) from CanvasImageCache.cpp (bug 724362, r=cjones).
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# [13:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/814d0b2dbaba - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [13:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f2900ceb8202 - Tim Taubert - Bug 723102 - [New Tab Page] Can't Hide/Show New Tab Page when closing left tab; r=jaws
# [13:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a7ea6d49bc69 - Tim Taubert - Bug 722479 - browser/components/thumbnails/test/ tests leak chrome://global/content/mozilla.xhtml; r=dao
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# [13:51] <edmorley> \o/ less leak marking on tbpl :-)
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# [14:06] <ttaubert> yeah :)
# [14:06] <@smaug> um, did someone broke ctrl+c
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# [16:34] <josh> roc: For backwards compat we may need to allow plugin instances to create if script calls into them, otherwise don't allow them to create until they have an object frame. The script exception to the "must have an object frame" rule is the only thing that will allow Pandora to continue working while not playing every audio instances on news.google.com.
# [16:35] <josh> roc: Does that sound reasonable?
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# [18:35] <NeilAway> what creates testConfig.js?
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# [18:38] <NeilAway> fortunately I have another tree with a working version
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# [18:39] <vikash23> hello everybody !!!
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# [18:39] <vikash23> As you all know GSoC has been announced........and i am really excited for it. I am looking forward to mozilla.
# [18:39] <vikash23> As, of now i have just compiled mozilla from source.......and i would want to learn more about the mozilla codebase....i will be glad if anyone of you could help me
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# [18:44] <jbuck> vikash23: I don't know how the GSoC works within Mozilla, but if you want to fix some bugs to get experience working with the Mozilla codebase, look at mentored bugs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=sw%3A[mentor%3D&list_id=2241155 or the more usable http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/
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# [18:45] <jbuck> mentored bugs all have a person you can talk to on IRC specifically about the bug, and are well specced out
# [18:48] <vikash23> jbuck: oh....thanks....i have been going through different pages related to codebase...I would be glad if you could tell me the level of expertise (in c, c++) required, inorder to contribute to the codebase.
# [18:50] <jdm> vikash23: mozilla doesn't use particularly complicated c++
# [18:50] <jdm> you just have to be able to deal with not understanding most of the code you look at for a while
# [18:50] <jdm> you'll want to understand reference counting and XPCOM, though
# [18:51] <vikash23> jdm: ok...thanks a lot.....will get back to people when i face any specific problem.
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# [18:52] <jbuck> vikash23: taking one of the mentored bugs is a really good idea. Once you've found an interesting one, post in the bug that you'd like to work on it
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# [19:09] <NeilAway> gah, what do I have to block to get rid of those silly share on facebook counters
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# [19:30] <edmorley> NeilAway: use adblock and the annoyances list
# [19:30] <edmorley> http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/
# [19:31] <edmorley> (third one down)
# [19:32] <nemo> so. am I the only one who hears a torrent of voices in nightly when accessing google news?
# [19:32] <nemo> is like they made a bunch of <audio> tags or something and they are all playing at once
# [19:32] <jdm> aaaaaah
# [19:32] <Matti> nemo: known bug
# [19:32] <jdm> that's terrifying
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# [19:34] <josh> newbie: I have a patch for that
# [19:35] <josh> bug 723379
# [19:35] <josh> It's causing a test failure but I think the test needs to be modified, not my fix. Working on it now.
# [19:35] <josh> nemo: ^
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# [19:35] <josh> I accidentally auto-completed the wrong name
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# [19:39] <nemo> josh: so. is this legit?
# [19:39] <josh> is what legit
# [19:39] <nemo> josh: or is google news doing something naughty and you're adapting to it?
# [19:39] <nemo> I read the bug, but didn't get whether that was bad behaviour or not :)
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# [19:39] <josh> it's not easy to say who is right and who is wrong in theory, but in practice we're wrong because we're not behaving like we used to
# [19:40] <nemo> ah :)
# [19:40] <biesi> josh, what are they doing?
# [19:40] <josh> they're depending on plugin instances not being created prior to them having an object frame
# [19:40] <biesi> oy
# [19:40] <biesi> that makes me sad
# [19:41] <josh> pandora requires instances without object frames, for example
# [19:41] <josh> the fix is to allow instances without object frames to be created only on account of script resolution
# [19:41] <josh> so if you try to call into a DOM node from js we'll create the instance, object frame or not
# [19:41] <nemo> man. I wonder how much of the internals of browsers is like that
# [19:42] <biesi> yeah, I remember an EnsureInstantion() call around script resolution somewhere
# [19:42] <josh> but if you're not using script we won't instantiate until we get an object frame
# [19:42] <josh> this was an oversight on my part in 90268, I didn't realize we did that
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# [19:43] <biesi> plugin code has too many edge cases :/
# [19:43] <nemo> oh. it *is* a plugin? not audio tags?
# [19:43] <nemo> huh. I wonder why
# [19:43] <josh> yeah, it's frickin hard to basically re-write the way they work without breaking a good chunk of the web
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# [19:43] <biesi> josh, BTDT
# [19:44] <biesi> the web ruined all my pretty code
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# [19:47] <Julian> I just noticed that with FF10 the charset default for text/* media types seems to have flipped to UTF-8 (incorrectly)
# [19:47] <Julian> does anybody know why this happened?
# [19:49] <josh> nemo: right, it's Flash plugin instances with autoplay=true
# [19:49] <nemo> ick
# [19:51] <cmr> Julian: what was the default before?
# [19:51] <Julian> ISO-8859-1
# [19:52] <Julian> as defined in HTTP/1.1
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# [19:53] <Julian> interesting enough FF 11 seems to be ok
# [19:53] <Julian> http://greenbytes.de/tech/tc/httpcontenttype/#textplainnodefaultutf8
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# [19:54] <Sander> maybe related to bug 572652 ?
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# [19:55] <NeilAway> edmorley: sorry, that's overkill
# [19:55] <edmorley> not if you resent facebook, twitter and all the rest :-)
# [19:55] <Julian> Sander: no, that seems unrelated; by test case doesn't care about the request parameter
# [19:55] <NeilAway> edmorley: yeah, well I can easily defeat twitter via content policy
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# [20:00] <Julian> cmr: can you have a look at http://greenbytes.de/tech/tc/httpcontenttype/#textplainnodefaultutf8 and tell me what "result for this UA" says?
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# [20:01] <cmr> Julian: Umlaute: and then garbage and then Euro: and then garbage
# [20:01] <cmr> FF8.0
# [20:01] <nemo> ditto
# [20:01] <nemo> FF13
# [20:01] <Julian> I see that FF11
# [20:01] <nemo> Julian: maybe you overrode default charset in your profile?
# [20:01] <Julian> and that's correct
# [20:02] <Julian> but FF10 displays something else
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# [20:03] <Julian> menu says "character encoding: Western" (which is the default for me I guess), and my FF11 has the same setting but different behavior
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# [20:04] <nemo> Julian: clean profile? :)
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# [20:05] <Julian> ok, switching to a different encoding then switching back "fixes" it
# [20:05] <Julian> now I'm less confused
# [20:06] <Julian> but it shows that my test cases are more local-dependent than I thought
# [20:07] <NeilAway> edmorley: oh, I think I typoed the domain name
# [20:07] <edmorley> heh :-)
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# [20:20] <josh> biesi: Wouldn't you expect an object frame to be created for this object once it is attached to the document?
# [20:20] <josh> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/plugins/test/mochitest/test_pluginstream_src_dynamic.html?force=1#36
# [20:20] <biesi> josh, that depends on the mime type that the server sends
# [20:20] <biesi> and on whether we have a plugin for that
# [20:21] <josh> we have a plugin for that, the test plugin
# [20:21] <josh> How can the server (test server) MIME type cause that to not create an object frame?
# [20:22] <josh> This test is failing with my patch because the instance is never created, and it is never created because it never gets an object frame.
# [20:22] <biesi> josh, we only care about the server-sent mime type
# [20:22] <biesi> as per the spec
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# [20:24] <josh> MIME type wasn't stopping an instance from being created prior to my requirement that it have an object frame
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# [20:24] <biesi> josh, ah oki
# [20:24] <josh> This works without my google news patch, my patch breaks it
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# [20:24] <biesi> josh, yeah I'd expect that to work
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# [20:25] <josh> it's not just an issue of notification, we never create an nsObjectFrame object during the test run for that test alone
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# [20:26] <biesi> josh, well the frame would get created asynchronously, could that be the problem?
# [20:26] <RyanVM> dholbert: ping
# [20:26] <josh> I mean, it's not that the plugin code isn't notified of the new frame
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# [20:26] <dholbert> RyanVM, pong
# [20:27] <josh> biesi: that wouldn't be a problem, we try to instantiate again when nsObjectLoadingContent gets HasNewFrame, but that call never happens and we never create an nsObjectFrame object
# [20:27] <RyanVM> dholbert: I'm working on reducing bug 478834
# [20:27] <RyanVM> holy fragile layout
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# [20:27] <biesi> josh, I don't really have an idea
# [20:27] <dholbert> RyanVM, sounds like fun :)
# [20:27] <RyanVM> dholbert: making progress, though
# [20:27] <josh> biesi: thanks for trying!
# [20:27] <RyanVM> dholbert: The joys of being sick and couch-ridden :P
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# [20:27] <dholbert> RyanVM, good man
# [20:28] <biesi> np
# [20:28] <biesi> josh, I guess set breakpoints in CSS Frame Constructor
# [20:28] <biesi> make sure that the type is right
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# [20:29] <josh> thanks
# [20:29] <josh> I will try that
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# [20:30] <Fallen> Hmm does someone know anything about this error: .../nss/freebl/Linux_SINGLE_SHLIB/jpake.o: In function `JPAKE_Round2': undefined reference to `PORT_SetError_stub'
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# [20:33] <edmorley> oh my, what a whiteboard... bug 628589
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# [20:39] <aja> hmm...esr10 tinderbox win32 build has mixed branding....blue firefox menu background, but orange release icons. intentional or bug?
# [20:41] <philor> edmorley: and oddly enough, it hasn't pulled in any volunteers to push it...
# [20:41] <edmorley> yeah
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# [20:56] <NeilAway> edmorley: either that or content policy doesn't work properly in Gecko 2
# [20:57] <NeilAway> edmorley: aha! I was blocking www.facebook.com but I needed to block all of facebook.com
# [20:57] <edmorley> :-)
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# [21:00] <edmorley> philor: thank you for staring the checkin-needed try runs from yesterday :-)
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# [21:05] <philor> np - this weekend isn't exactly straining my capacity
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# [21:11] <kutsurak> edmorley: ping
# [21:11] <edmorley> kutsurak: pong
# [21:11] <kutsurak> edmorley I'm here looking for inspiration on something to work on :)
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# [21:13] <edmorley> ah, you did bug 702388 yeah? :-)
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# [21:13] <kutsurak> yes that's me :)
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# [21:16] <edmorley> kutsurak: cool, so what kind of area would you be most interested in / what kinda of difficulty?
# [21:17] <RyanVM> dholbert: victory
# [21:17] <kutsurak> edmorley: Well I'm not really sure what areas are there, but I'd like to do something on C++, since that's the language I know best
# [21:18] <edmorley> kutsurak: things are fairly quiet in here this weekend, since quite a few people are away at Fosdem, but there will be a lot more people around with ideas/bugs for you during the coming few days, if we don't find something now
# [21:18] <kutsurak> great
# [21:19] <edmorley> kutsurak: does anything on http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/?a11y=1&gfx=1&net=1&jseng=1&layout=1&dom=1&editor=1&internals=1&media=1&ff=1&devtools=1&releng=1&cpp=1&unowned=1 leap out at you?
# [21:20] <edmorley> some are most first bug types, but there may be some there that have some more meat on them
# [21:21] <kutsurak> let me check them, and I'll get back to you. Thanks
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# [21:22] <edmorley> kutsurak: np :-)
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# [21:38] <kutsurak> edmorley: Bug 716661 looks like something I could do. In fact I have asked jdm some basic questions and had started looking at the code, but other things poped up and I could not finish.
# [21:38] <kutsurak> edmorley The thing is I don't have a mac and I am not sure how to test any changes I make...
# [21:39] <cers> edmorley: I just noticed that I forgot to put r=gavin in the description part of a patch I marked as checkin-needed, and you put through the autoland-try thingamajig. Is that something that ought to be changed?
# [21:41] <edmorley> kutsurak: ah - that's bugzilla doing it's thing. When you create a bug, it sets the OS/platform to whatever you are filing from. The changes will actually be across all platforms (plus you can get someone to submit the patch to tryserver, so test on other platforms anyway) :-) I can set you as the assignee for that bug if you like?
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# [21:42] <kutsurak> Sure! thanks :)
# [21:42] <edmorley> cers: nah that's fine - autoland-try just sends to tryserver, I still have to push to mozilla-inbound myself manually when I go through the checkin-neededs list again say tomorrow (when the next batch of try results are back)
# [21:42] <edmorley> I'll add the r= then :-)
# [21:42] <cers> edmorley: great :-)
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# [21:45] <edmorley> cers: I'm loving the new autoland system, it's saving me lots of time :-)
# [21:46] <cers> edmorley: I've never actually heard about it before you used it on the bug
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# [21:49] <edmorley> kutsurak: have assigned the bug, if you have any questions josh should be able to sort you out :-) (he is jdm on IRC)
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# [21:50] <edmorley> cers: it's brand new \o/ http://crashopensource.blogspot.com/2012/02/autolanding-your-patches-to-try-via.html
# [21:50] <edmorley> lsblakk++
# [21:50] <edmorley> mjessome++
# [21:50] <kutsurak> edmorley: Thanks :) Do you know what times he's here usually?
# [21:51] <edmorley> !seen jdm
# [21:51] <firebot> jdm was last seen 2 hours, 18 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying 'that's terrifying' in #developers.
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# [21:52] <edmorley> kutsurak: I'm not sure what timezone he is normally, PST perhaps? (sorry not very helpful I know!)
# [21:52] <kutsurak> edmorley: No problem. Thanks again.
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# [21:55] <@khuey> jdm?
# [21:56] <@khuey> he's in toronto, I think
# [21:56] <deLta30> no, he is in waterloo
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# [21:57] <edmorley> kutsurak: btw comment 13, 14 & 17 of bug 713172 look like a good place to start, also do you know about MXR?
# [21:59] <@khuey> aren't waterloo and toronto like the same thing? :-P
# [21:59] <kutsurak> edmorley: MRX? No, I can't say I do.
# [22:00] <edmorley> kutsurak: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/
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# [22:02] <edmorley> kutsurak: also, MDN is pretty handy, eg https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsIObserverService
# [22:02] <kutsurak> edmorley: ah yes. That's the tool you had used in the last bug to list all the files containing a certain string right?
# [22:02] <edmorley> kutsurak: ah yes indeed, better memory than I :-)
# [22:03] <kutsurak> edmorley: heh I've only contributed to one bug so I remember it ;)
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# [22:05] <kutsurak> edmorley: One thing that I have not found a way to do is how to find documentation on a specific class or method. Like the last link you gave.
# [22:06] <edmorley> kutsurak: best bet is the search box on https://developer.mozilla.org/ (or else inline comments)
# [22:07] <kutsurak> edmorley: Yes... that makes a lot of sense... :) Thanks
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# [22:16] <edmorley> froydnj: just spotted wrong bug number in https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/4ad183bfd2ba , presume you'd have noticed before asking for checkin-needed, but just in case :-)
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# [22:24] <NeilAway> do you mind, but I'm trying to develop here, and I really don't want people crashing my build for me
# [22:24] <cmr> What is the 'ns' prefix on a bunch of things? netscape?
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# [22:51] <NeilAway> wait, did I just link libxul in 40 seconds?
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# [22:58] <edmorley> NeilAway: I thought your machine featured multi-hour linking?!
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# [22:59] <NeilAway> edmorley: yes, this is a borrowed machine
# [22:59] <edmorley> ah
# [22:59] <NeilAway> edmorley: indeed, I've never seen 16GB all at one before
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# [23:08] <NeilAway> edmorley: s/one/once/
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# [23:12] * bjacob is almost done updating gfx_feature_stats, plans to use a canvas 2d graph renderer. is there any js library you'd recomment for parsing csv files and drawing graphs?
# [23:12] <bjacob> http://people.mozilla.org/~bjacob/gfx_features_stats/ <-- old page soon to be updated
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# [23:13] * bjacob notes that since last update, global WebGL success rate has climbed to 45%, and 60% on Windows 7
# [23:13] <bjacob> http://dygraphs.com/ looks nice
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# [23:15] <darktrojan> ask the AMO guys what they use
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# [23:21] <darktrojan> ooh that's stunning
# [23:21] * darktrojan just turned on layers acceleration
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# [23:22] <darktrojan> ... and turned it off again
# [23:23] <bjacob> darktrojan: i guess you're on linux. yeah, there still are issues. hopefully in a few months
# [23:23] <darktrojan> heh
# [23:23] <darktrojan> it didn't crash! bonus
# [23:23] <mattwoodrow> bjacob: Can you send me the call graph version of that 3d transforms perf issue please
# [23:24] <bjacob> mattwoodrow: sure
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# [23:25] <bjacob> mattwoodrow: i'd send you the testcase except it's 30 M (whole game in several versions) and not sure i have time now before my place
# [23:25] <bjacob> plane
# [23:25] <bjacob> mattwoodrow: but do you want it too?
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# [23:25] <mattwoodrow> bjacob: The callstack profile will be a good start!
# [23:25] <bjacob> mattwoodrow: is xz compression ok for you?
# [23:25] <bjacob> it's big
# [23:25] <mattwoodrow> But probably, yes
# [23:25] <mattwoodrow> sure
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# [23:27] <bjacob> mattwoodrow: sent
# [23:27] <mattwoodrow> thanks bjacob
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# [23:28] <bjacob> mattwoodrow: this didn't look abnormal to me, with my naive pov. but andreas seems to think there is a css performance bug here (he is on mac, though. i am on linux). you decide.
# [23:28] <NeilAway> glob|away: is there a way to show obsolete patches without enabling script?
# [23:29] <bjacob> mattwoodrow: note that the game developers are reporting the CSS version of the game to be 3x slower than the Canvas2D version, on the phone.
# [23:30] <mattwoodrow> That sounds really bad
# [23:30] <bjacob> mattwoodrow: so i thought that the 1% -- 2% symbols were not enough to explain this.
# [23:30] <mattwoodrow> I would agree with that :)
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# [23:30] <bjacob> mattwoodrow: that's why i thought that they were experiencing something specific to Mobile/B2G that I couldn't reproduce on desktop. but, please still have a look, andreas is very concerned about that
# [23:31] <mattwoodrow> sure, I'll give it a try
# [23:31] <mattwoodrow> hopefully something interesting comes up on mac
# [23:32] <mattwoodrow> profiling on device is much less fun
# [23:32] <mattwoodrow> and I don't have a b2g device
# [23:32] <bjacob> mattwoodrow: ok, sending the testcase now
# [23:32] <mattwoodrow> merci
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# [23:35] <bjacob> mattwoodrow: darn, sent the wrong one
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# [23:36] <bjacob> mattwoodrow: sent. but the archive itself is attached to the first email, not the second 'right' one
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# [23:45] <mattwoodrow> thanks bjacob, got them all
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# [23:46] <bjacob> mattwoodrow: cool, good luck
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