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1. # Session Start: Mon Feb 06 00:00:00 2012
2. # Session Ident: #developers
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11. # [00:11] <AopicieR> hi. I've posted my first patch under a bug and it has received the necessary review. currently the patch doesn't have a commit message or anything. do I need to upload a new patch with the user field and a commit message?
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13. # [00:12] <jbuck> AopicieR: what bug?
14. # [00:12] <darktrojan> AopicieR, have a read of http://blog.bonardo.net/2010/06/22/so-youre-about-to-use-checkin-needed
15. # [00:12] <AopicieR> jbuck: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=512529
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18. # [00:14] <jbuck> yeah, you'll need to add your user name and a commit message to your existing patches as the blog darktrojan linked to shows. Once you've done that, put checkin-needed in the keywords section
19. # [00:15] <heycam> is it possible to multiply request superreview on a patch?
20. # [00:15] <jdm> heycam: I don't believe so
21. # [00:15] <AopicieR> jbuck: okay, will do, thanks
22. # [00:15] <AopicieR> darktrojan: thanks for the link
23. # [00:15] <heycam> jdm, ok, will just CC and request in a comment
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25. # [00:16] <darktrojan> no problem
26. # [00:20] <darktrojan> anyone know where I find saved queries on BMO?
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28. # [00:22] <philor> preferences - saved searches
29. # [00:22] * philor goes ahead and pushes bug 700429 out of his "successful bug" column
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31. # [00:24] <philor> hijacked by someone who never checked in his patch, which is now completely rotted, and we've totally wasted running M1 on 10.7 for three months, *and* added two more webgl test failures in the interim
32. # [00:25] <darktrojan> handy
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36. # [00:31] <philor> and his trychooser choice was unwise
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39. # [00:37] <edmorley> good morning Nicholas :-)
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55. # [01:04] <jtcranmer> somehow, somebody filed a bug on Firefox crashing "when I search for rustic hunting lodges" in Webtools: DXR
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59. # [01:05] <jdm> yes
60. # [01:05] <nigelb> lololol
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63. # [01:06] <jdm> that is the second bizarro bug I've seen filed in DXR
64. # [01:06] <jdm> I don't understand how that happens
65. # [01:07] <zwol> bug 682141 seems to be causing a lot of orange
66. # [01:07] <jdm> I feel like it takes effort to find that component
67. # [01:07] <jtcranmer> "A web-based source code indexing and cross-reference tool that uses semantic data from static analysis tools."
68. # [01:07] <jtcranmer> that is the literal quote of the component's description
69. # [01:10] <jtcranmer> the bug helper doesn't show anything that might make me go as far at
70. # [01:10] <jtcranmer> er, out
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80. # [01:35] <philor> zwol: depends on whether you judge by Linux media/ test standards, or any reasonable criteria
81. # [01:35] <philor> at this point, I think they're betting everything on finally getting pulseaudio updated from version 0.0.0.1a
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84. # [01:39] <qDot> pulseaudio. :(
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91. # [01:55] <zwol> philor: I posted a patch in that bug to add another todo to the set
92. # [01:55] <zwol> philor: I think cdouble missed one
93. # [01:56] <zwol> philor: that should at least paper it over for now
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159. # [03:23] <darktrojan> !seen qheaden
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167. # [03:30] <@roc> josh: I thought that already was our intent
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178. # [03:42] <philor> how would we go about leaking a bunch of plugin-and-pref things in every suite that has an excuse for doing anything plugin, except mochitest-ipcplugins, on 10.7?
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180. # [03:42] <philor> oh, maybe I've fogotten where ipcplugins does and doesn't do anything different, and it really does something non-default on 10.7
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231. # [05:17] <@khuey> gavin++
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235. # [05:27] <Callek> khuey: context-for-kharma?
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238. # [05:29] <ewong> if I have |nsAutoString appName;| , would |printf("Test %s\n", appName);| work?
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240. # [05:29] <ewong> if I want to print to the console?
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242. # [05:31] <@roc> no
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244. # [05:31] <tbsaunde> ewong: no, you need to convert it from utf16 to utf8 first
245. # [05:32] <@roc> you need to use nsCAutoString and appName.get()
246. # [05:32] <@roc> or NS_ConvertUTF16toUTF8(appName).get()
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248. # [05:33] <ewong> hmmm so it'd be |printf("Test %s\n", NS_ConvertUTF16toUTF8(appName).get());| ?
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250. # [05:35] <@khuey> Callek: getting off of cvs
251. # [05:36] <Callek> khuey: ooo didn't know you were watching that bug ;-)
252. # [05:36] <Callek> but I also agree on the "we should get off CVS" it is part of our plans, just needs time for us to drive it (as in, specifically whats needed to do so, etc.)
253. # [05:37] <@khuey> Callek: I want all of Repository Account Requests
254. # [05:37] <@khuey> er
255. # [05:37] <darktrojan> gah
256. # [05:37] <@khuey> watch
257. # [05:37] <@khuey> it's great for drive by vouching
258. # [05:37] * darktrojan makes rude remarks about the fastload cache
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263. # [05:49] <nemo> heh
264. # [05:49] <nemo> http://www.pirateslovedaisies.com/
265. # [05:49] <nemo> has a small checkbox at the bottom
266. # [05:49] <nemo> "Enable additional effects for IE9"
267. # [05:50] <nemo> it does seem to work fine in Firefox though
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269. # [05:50] <nemo> there's a bit of blather there about the power of IE allowing extra effects
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271. # [05:53] <ewong> if I make a change to a CPP, there's no other way of getting an updated binary aside for rebuilding the whole thing, right?
272. # [05:53] <ewong> something like hacking up a .jar file
273. # [06:00] <tbsaunde> ewong: depends a lot what you changed
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281. # [06:05] <ewong> basically commenting out a couple of lines
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283. # [06:06] <tbsaunde> ewong: sure, but what files did you change
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285. # [06:07] <ewong> mailnews\local\src\nsPop3Protocol.cpp
286. # [06:07] <tbsaunde> ewong: I've never dealt with mailnews
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291. # [06:12] <Callek> ewong: make -C mailnews && make -C mailnews/build && make -C suite/ (iirc)
292. # [06:12] <Callek> ewong: err actually that was "old times" I think with libxul you need to make elsewhere
293. # [06:12] <ewong> oooh that makes life a lot easier..
294. # [06:12] <Callek> like toolkit/build or something
295. # [06:12] <ewong> instead of needing to wait for the whole build..
296. # [06:13] <Callek> ewong: as I said, if you have libxul enabled, I know my suggestion is wrong (after a brief thinking about it)
297. # [06:14] <ewong> Callek oh. well.
298. # [06:14] <Callek> khuey might be able to tell you which dir's to build to relink libxul
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300. # [06:14] <jdm> ewong: toolkit/library
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302. # [06:15] <Callek> ewong: so make -C mailnews && make -C mailnews/build && make -C toolkit/library (iirc this time)
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305. # [06:17] <@khuey> something like that
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307. # [06:17] * @khuey doesn't remember exactly how the whole mailnews in libxul thing works
308. # [06:17] <Callek> khuey: very hackily
309. # [06:18] <@khuey> yes
310. # [06:18] <@khuey> that i do remember ;-)
311. # [06:18] <Callek> soooooo whats the pref to make sessionrestore only load tabs on first use?
312. # [06:18] * @khuey is responsible for some of that :-P
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314. # [06:18] <Callek> rather than many-at-once on boot?
315. # [06:19] <Callek> I bet glandium would know that answer :-)
316. # [06:19] <heycam> Callek, browser.sessionstore.restore_on_demand I think
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319. # [06:20] <heycam> Callek, yeah: http://blog.zpao.com/post/9052215461/max-concurrent-tabs-is-dead-long-live
320. # [06:20] <Callek> great thanks
321. # [06:20] <Callek> o hai, its in the UI
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323. # [06:21] * Callek will be back soonish, rebooting
324. # [06:21] <Callek> (well restartng firefox)
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332. # [06:34] <Callek> Ugh why o why does Firefox prompt when updating about incompat addons, *for addons that are disabled*
333. # [06:34] <Callek> also slightly annoyed by "Mozilla Firefox Hotfix is incompat with Firefox 11"
334. # [06:37] <jdm> uh oh
335. # [06:38] <Callek> jdm: hotfix not compat is _expected_ but seeing it in the UI is not, imo.
336. # [06:38] <jdm> yeah
337. # [06:38] <Callek> (or as I understand it)
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359. # [07:09] <heycam> I am enjoying this autolander. bzexport needs to be able to set it, too. (hint hint, sfink!)
360. # [07:10] <sfink> I'm asleep, I can't hear you
361. # [07:10] * heycam sends dream messages
362. # [07:13] <kbrosnan> you sleep a lot like bz
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369. # [07:22] <jdm> heycam: are you looking for a command-line flag to set that? --autoland would be easy to add.
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376. # [07:39] <ewong> Callek who knows about the makefile stuff for MailNews?
377. # [07:40] <Callek> ewong: theoretically me
378. # [07:40] <Callek> (but I forgot most of what I once knew)
379. # [07:40] <Callek> Other potentials are standard8 and Neil
380. # [07:40] <Callek> maybe KaiRo, but I think he forget much of that too
381. # [07:41] <Callek> (i can look up, but this convoluted hackery for libxul has kept me from giving neil his proper review on a patch)
382. # [07:41] <ewong> Makefiles voodoo is so complicated, it's very hard to learn but easy to forget
383. # [07:41] <Callek> yea and how we did this was even more complex/hacky
384. # [07:41] <Callek> :/
385. # [07:43] <ewong> Callek is there anyone who'd take this whole thing and rethink it? having complicated hacks is giving the whole makefile system a Frankenstein look
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387. # [07:44] <Callek> ewong: yes -- we don't like these complicated hacks
388. # [07:44] <ewong> and to think I was hoping to help with the comm-central reorder... ;/
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390. # [07:44] <Callek> ewong: we just don't have the manpower/time to dive into a better fix "soon"
391. # [07:44] <Callek> ewong: if you want to help with the comm reorder, ask mark roughly where you could help
392. # [07:44] <ewong> fat chance that's gonna happen.. don't even understand the whole thing..
393. # [07:45] <Callek> should be at least _some_ lower hanging fruit
394. # [07:45] <ewong> Callek he told me.. 'no easy task'.. 'complicated makefile'
395. # [07:45] <Callek> ahhh if you already asked him and no easy tasks yet, then he's likely right
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397. # [07:45] <ewong> the MDN info on Makefiles/build system is a *tiny bit* helpful, but not good enough for me to understand the full head-on collision with the current makefiles
398. # [07:46] <heycam> jdm, yep!
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401. # [07:47] * ewong wonders if there's such a book as "Makefiles for Dummies".
402. # [07:48] <kwierso> only 1500 pages!
403. # [07:48] <ewong> yeah.. *only*
404. # [07:48] <ewong> o_O
405. # [07:48] <ewong> I feel so dense
406. # [07:49] <ewong> I'm so dense, it makes a black hole look like a tiny bar magnet.
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408. # [07:50] <Callek> hahaha
409. # [07:50] <Callek> yea Makefile syntax/style/etc can be VERY complex or VERY simple
410. # [07:50] <Callek> really depends on the use
411. # [07:50] <Callek> our project overall has the VERY complex side, and we do have desires/work to try and simplify stuff, but that takes a while with so much legacy in here
412. # [07:51] <ewong> "Boy, I'd like to know how this makefile system works." = hitting one's head against a brick wall.
413. # [07:52] <Callek> ewong: ted will be the first to tell you, that even though he is the build system owner, he doesn't *know* most of it, he in fact will lookup with search stuff when people need to know something or ask him for review, etc.
414. # [07:53] <ewong> O_O
415. # [07:53] <ewong> ted, say that isn't true...
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418. # [07:55] <ewong> but then again... since we need to support so many different platforms.. I guess complexities would crop in..as there's never a right shoe that fits all sizes.
419. # [07:55] <ewong> err... or however the saying goes.
420. # [07:56] * kwierso needs to buy a new pair of shoes.
421. # [07:56] <kwierso> these ones are falling apart :(
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426. # [07:59] <ewong> kwierso: did you used to have your nick in all caps?
427. # [08:00] <kwierso> ewong: the k and w were caps.
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429. # [08:00] <kwierso> moved to my new laptop and was too lazy to do the same here :)
430. # [08:00] <ewong> ooh.. new laptop? nice!
431. # [08:00] <kwierso> I was deceived by dell, though
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433. # [08:01] <kwierso> while customizing this model, I had the option to have 4,8 or 16GB of RAM built in
434. # [08:01] <kwierso> I chose the 8GB version, thinking I could just add another 8 if/when I needed it
435. # [08:01] <ewong> but you can't... right?
436. # [08:02] <kwierso> but when it got here and I checked, there were only the two slots with 4GB sticks in them already
437. # [08:02] <ewong> Ouch
438. # [08:02] <kwierso> yeah
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440. # [08:02] <kwierso> though I don't think I'll really be missing that other 8GB anytime soon
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443. # [08:03] <ewong> kwierso: you never know... unless you're using your new laptop for clerical stuff.. and not dev'ing.
444. # [08:04] <kwierso> it can do a Windows clobber build of Firefox in 30 minutes
445. # [08:04] <kwierso> that's good enough for me
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449. # [08:07] * kwierso should figure out how to do a PGO build and try that
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452. # [08:09] <ewong> ooooh that's nice!.. compared to my 1hr+ clobber build here :(
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476. # [08:38] <@roc> ho hum
477. # [08:38] <@roc> something's completely broken NPAPI Flash on my computer'
478. # [08:39] <kwierso> roc: in nightly?
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480. # [08:39] <@roc> flash-using pages in Opera, Chrome, Firefox all hang
481. # [08:39] <@roc> so it's not a Firefox bug
482. # [08:39] <kwierso> ah. because I know addons that create content security policies break recent nightly builds.
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484. # [08:40] <@roc> Chrome gives me the helpful alert "The following plug-in is unresponsive: Uknown"
485. # [08:40] <@roc> oh, responding "no" then hangs Chrome's chrome
486. # [08:41] <kwierso> heh
487. # [08:41] <@roc> Opera's completely dead
488. # [08:41] <@roc> Firefox at least recovered after a while
489. # [08:41] <@roc> oh, it's hanging IE too
490. # [08:41] <@roc> nice
491. # [08:41] * @roc wonders how to fix this
492. # [08:42] <kwierso> system restore?
493. # [08:43] * kwierso hopes that omni.jar -> omni.ja fix really fixed that one problem last year
494. # [08:43] <@roc> for now I'll just disable Flash
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497. # [08:43] <kwierso> roc: what version of flash, out of curiousity?
498. # [08:43] <@roc> 11. something
499. # [08:43] <@roc> the latest
500. # [08:43] <@roc> I think this may have started since I got some Windows updates
501. # [08:44] <kbrosnan> roc: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/141/tn_14157.html flash uninstaller
502. # [08:45] <kbrosnan> often cleans up borked flash installs
503. # [08:45] <@roc> thanks
504. # [08:45] <kbrosnan> though odd that Chrome's internal plugin is hanging too
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510. # [08:53] <@roc> haha. "The eval that men do: a large-scale study of the use of eval in JavaScript applications"
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514. # [08:57] <kwierso> heh
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521. # [08:59] <kwierso> wow, 23 pages long...
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528. # [09:05] <Callek> someone remind me, if I have the wrong win SDK (as in not the win7 SDK) does configure barf at me, or happily continue on?
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532. # [09:11] <ewong> Callek IIRC, it would complain about not having the right SDK version..
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535. # [09:12] <Callek> ok great -- apparantly I have the right SDK, even though I still have MSVC8 installed
536. # [09:12] <ewong> kwierso as opposed to the "Makefiles for Dummies" 's 1500 page long? ;P
537. # [09:12] <Callek> (I need to upgrade myself to 2010 soonish)
538. # [09:13] <Callek> ...I could cheat and use the installer (w/ key) that Mozilla gave me for SeaMonkey machines, but I suspect thats technically illegal, so I'm just going to do MSVC2010 EE
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544. # [09:20] <ewong> Callek, yes.. it would be a no-no..
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546. # [09:20] <Callek> yea -- just because I can, doesn't mean I should or am allowed to :-)
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562. # [09:38] <hendry> hi, I'm trying to reference an image in my extension. Like so: <img src="chrome://webconverger/content/logopod.jpg" />
563. # [09:38] <hendry> but it's not working
564. # [09:38] <hendry> not sure why
565. # [09:39] <squib> hendry: use image, not img
566. # [09:39] <squib> (assuming you're using XUL)
567. # [09:39] <hendry> yes, I'm modifying netError.xhtml
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569. # [09:39] <squib> hendry: are you trying to overlay netError.xhtml, or override it?
570. # [09:40] <hendry> squib: sorry I'm overriding netError.xhtml and creating a img tag instead of the error message
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572. # [09:40] <hendry> trying to reference an image in my extension, so it's not XUL
573. # [09:40] <hendry> IIUC
574. # [09:40] <squib> hendry: does the overridden page load to begin with?
575. # [09:40] <hendry> squib: yes
576. # [09:40] <hendry> squib: work with a remote http:// image
577. # [09:41] <hendry> but I want to have a local image from the content/ of my extension
578. # [09:41] <squib> that should work, assuming you've spelled everything correctly
579. # [09:41] <hendry> maybe i need another sort of declaration in my manifest
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581. # [09:42] <squib> if you have "content <extension> path/to/content" you should be ok
582. # [09:42] <hendry> i assume; content webconverger content/ // is not enough?
583. # [09:42] <hendry> do I need to declare it specifically I wonder
584. # [09:42] <squib> i've never needed to
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586. # [09:42] <hendry> hmm, lemme try
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589. # [09:45] <hendry> doesn't work
590. # [09:46] <hendry> content chrome://webconverger/content/logopod.jpg chrome://webconverger/content/logopod.jpg // does feel kinda dumb
591. # [09:47] <hendry> wish i could grep through addons
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596. # [09:56] <hendry> aha... http://stackoverflow.com/a/5765344/4534
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600. # [10:00] <hendry> squib: contentaccessible=yes
601. # [10:00] <squib> hendry: ahh
602. # [10:00] <squib> right, because that's actually an about: page
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606. # [10:05] <hendry> if I want to scale a JPG to fix the entire window, should I be using img tag with max-width CSS or CSS background, as rule of thumb?
607. # [10:05] <hendry> s,fix,fit
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661. # [11:10] <Ms2ger> firebot, bug 724492
662. # [11:10] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724492 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Stop including nonsensical things in the browser
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665. # [11:10] <edmorley> Ms2ger: ha :-)
666. # [11:11] <edmorley> and Good morning
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668. # [11:11] <Ms2ger> Morning
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670. # [11:13] <@smaug> morning
671. # [11:13] <@smaug> er
672. # [11:13] <@smaug> hyvää huomenta
673. # [11:14] <@smaug> FF lost the whole session :/
674. # [11:15] <ttaubert> :(
675. # [11:15] <ttaubert> errors in the console?
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680. # [11:19] <@smaug> ttaubert: nothing about session restore
681. # [11:19] <ttaubert> mh ok
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684. # [11:19] <@smaug> ttaubert: I did try to copy manually the sessionstore.bak to .js
685. # [11:19] <@smaug> but didn't help
686. # [11:20] <ttaubert> experienced the same 1-2 weeks ago
687. # [11:20] <@smaug> ttaubert: do we also store pin'ed tabs in session store?
688. # [11:20] <ttaubert> had to manually edit sessionstore.js
689. # [11:20] <ttaubert> smaug: yes
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694. # [11:24] <darktrojan> Ms2ger, shall we call that bug resolved fixed?
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696. # [11:24] <whimboo> smaug: ping
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699. # [11:26] <@smaug> whimboo: pong
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701. # [11:26] <whimboo> smaug: on which platform are you developing? is it linux?
702. # [11:27] <@smaug> linux
703. # [11:27] <@smaug> 64bit
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705. # [11:27] <whimboo> smaug: so we have observed a different behavior with the testing mode for the focus manager turned on
706. # [11:28] <whimboo> smaug: means at least linux is different
707. # [11:28] <@smaug> focus handling in linux may depend on window manager settings
708. # [11:28] <whimboo> smaug: with testing enabled you cannot type anymore in text fields. No keypress gets accepted. That's not what we can see on OS X and Windows
709. # [11:29] <whimboo> smaug: do you know which setting it could be?
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712. # [11:31] <@smaug> whimboo: things like "focus follows mouse"
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723. # [11:45] <darktrojan> NeilAway, I don't think your efforts to gain attention for the planet.m.o headers bug are working
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725. # [11:45] <NeilAway> darktrojan: do you have any other ideas?
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727. # [11:46] <darktrojan> poke reed with a sharp pointy stick?
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730. # [11:47] <NeilAway> darktrojan: not sure I have one long enough to reach
731. # [11:47] <darktrojan> airmail
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733. # [11:48] <NeilAway> darktrojan: well, he already gets bugmail...
734. # [11:49] <darktrojan> !seen reed
735. # [11:49] <firebot> reed was last seen 4 days, 2 hours, 7 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying ':)' in #interns.
736. # [11:49] <darktrojan> !seen raccettura
737. # [11:49] <firebot> raccettura was last seen 4 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 11 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying 'tan: You're the 2nd person to recognize me on reddit and tell me :-D' in #firefox.
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739. # [11:49] <darktrojan> 4 weeks?!
740. # [11:50] <@roc> !seen Enn
741. # [11:50] <@killer> I don't know who Enn is.
742. # [11:50] <firebot> enn was last seen 2 days, 19 hours, 54 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying 'which always open with a blank page right?' in #fx-team.
743. # [11:50] * NeilAway wonders what determines when killer bothers to answer
744. # [11:51] <darktrojan> ... yeah
745. # [11:52] <reed> yeah yeah
746. # [11:52] <reed> I see NeilAway's attachments
747. # [11:52] <darktrojan> oh hello
748. # [11:53] <reed> one day I'll look at it
749. # [11:53] <darktrojan> I can think of two ways to fix it, if it helps
750. # [11:53] <darktrojan> assuming the cause is what I think it is
751. # [11:53] <whimboo> smaugIC: we will try to figure out
752. # [11:53] <whimboo> thanks
753. # [11:54] <reed> feel free to comment on the bug... and feel free to poke me on IRC until I get a chance to look at it... note that planet's code and the various .htaccess files are all available on svn
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755. # [11:54] <darktrojan> ah, been meaning to ask you that actually
756. # [11:54] <darktrojan> whereabouts?
757. # [11:55] <reed> http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/planet/branches/planet/theme/
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759. # [11:55] <darktrojan> thanks
760. # [11:55] * reed goes back to doing whatever he does
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764. # [11:58] <darktrojan> taking bets?
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795. # [12:32] <gaston> seems browserid.org failed sending me the verif e-mail..bah
796. # [12:33] <darktrojan> ouch
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798. # [12:35] <MarcoZ> Anyone got objections to me pushing an accessibility test change to inbound?
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805. # [12:43] <johanc> Is there a known problem with ghosts tabs? (11 beta)
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818. # [12:57] <MarcoZ> Gosh, inbound looks in a really bad shape right now. :(
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822. # [12:59] <darktrojan> and that's on a good day
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824. # [13:01] <Ms2ger> Looks like a new Moth leak to em
825. # [13:01] <Ms2ger> me*
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827. # [13:03] <Ms2ger> Oh, it's used-to-be-intermittent Bug 689247
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849. # [13:25] <mounir> Ms2ger: hey, where you at FOSDEM?
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859. # [13:31] <NeilAway> mounir: he had said he wasn't going
860. # [13:32] <mounir> NeilAway: I've heard different answers from him actually
861. # [13:32] <mounir> once he wasn't coming, once he didn't knew...
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863. # [13:34] <Ms2ger> I'm not
864. # [13:36] <Fallen> Ms2ger: heya. I read logs here that you know something about freebl causing a red, where you said that a clobber of nss would help. I'm having this on the calendar builder, and unless something went wrong with the clobber, its not helping
865. # [13:37] <Fallen> http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showlog.cgi?tree=CalendarTrunk&errorparser=unix&logfile=1328525000.1328525775.5301.gz&buildtime=1328525000&buildname=Linux%20x86_64%20comm-central%20lightning%20build&;fulltext=
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867. # [13:37] <Fallen> would you happen to know what I could do?
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872. # [13:40] <Ms2ger> Hrm
873. # [13:40] <Ms2ger> That does look similar to the error I had, yes
874. # [13:40] <Ms2ger> But clobber didn't work?
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878. # [13:43] <Fallen> Ms2ger: nope
879. # [13:43] <Ms2ger> :(
880. # [13:43] <Fallen> I can try it again just to be sure though
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882. # [13:44] <Ms2ger> I know very little about this stuff... Maybe your clobber was too late, though?
883. # [13:45] <Fallen> it was yesterday, a few red builds happend since then
884. # [13:45] <Fallen> I'll do another clobber then and see
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886. # [13:45] <Fallen> if it fails, who would know what to do?
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888. # [13:47] <Ms2ger> glandium, maybe?
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894. # [13:51] <Ms2ger> <jdm> you'll want to understand XPCOM
895. # [13:51] * Ms2ger sure doesn't want to
896. # [13:53] <Fallen> ok, thanks I'll take a look
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907. # [14:05] <glandium> Fallen: yeah, that error smells lack of clobber
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915. # [14:15] <pierron> I got a weird behaviour with firefox, I clicked on a button once (logIn button on mail.mozilla.org/…) and firefox entered in a loop for a few minutes where the loading symbol was stopped (gray symbol) and a dashed-border box appear/disappear constantly around the LogIn text in the button. (ff 8.0.1, linux x64) It was non-responsive when clicking in the username field of the page. Does this match a known bug or somebody wants me to file
916. # [14:15] <Ms2ger> philor, did you have luck with your xpcshell retriggers?
917. # [14:16] <paul> A volunteer needs some assistance to implement scrollIntoViewIfNeeded (nsGenericHTMLElement): bug 403510
918. # [14:16] <paul> any help would be appreciated :)
919. # [14:17] <Ms2ger> Is there a spec?
920. # [14:17] <paul> Ms2ger: I don't think so
921. # [14:17] <Ms2ger> r-
922. # [14:17] <nigelb> heh
923. # [14:18] <paul> It doesn't have to be exposed.
924. # [14:18] <paul> it's needed for chrome related code.
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926. # [14:19] <Ms2ger> It's exposed in the patch. r-
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928. # [14:19] <paul> Ms2ger: well - the patch is far from being final. He needs assistance.
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930. # [14:20] <paul> Ms2ger: how can he not expose the method? What is the right approach?
931. # [14:20] <Ms2ger> Not implementing it
932. # [14:20] <paul> Ms2ger: we need something better the scrollIntoView.
933. # [14:21] <paul> Ms2ger: for the Firefox devtools.
934. # [14:21] <Ms2ger> Then get it specced
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936. # [14:22] <paul> it doesn't have to be exposed to the content.
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938. # [14:22] <paul> Ms2ger: but getting it specced is an option. Do you know who I should talk to for that?
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940. # [14:23] <cers> I'm trying to implement a css property in Firefox, and figured I'd start with the tests. I get that the correctness test goes in layout/reftests, but what about the js api for the property? would that also go there, or maybe a js shell test?
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943. # [14:26] <Ms2ger> www-style, [cssom-view] in the subject, as noted in the sotd of http://dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom-view/
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945. # [14:26] <Ms2ger> cers, mochitest
946. # [14:26] <Ms2ger> cers, jsshell won't get access to the DOM API you'll write
947. # [14:26] <cers> Ms2ger: I see, thanks!
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1207. # [14:48] <NeilAway> paul: iirc DOM Inspector manages something similar
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1211. # [14:53] <cers> NeilAway: http://crashopensource.blogspot.com/2012/02/autolanding-your-patches-to-try-via.html ?
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1215. # Session Ident: #developers
1216. # [15:07] * Now talking in #developers
1217. # [15:07] * Topic is 'm-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: 13th March || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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1274. # [15:45] <Fallen> If the builder says:
1275. # [15:45] <Fallen> comm-central-linux64:Our last clobber date: 2011-09-07 08:43:20
1276. # [15:45] <Fallen> comm-central-linux64:Server clobber date: None
1277. # [15:45] <Fallen> does this mean it is clobbered, or is it an error?
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1279. # [15:45] <Fallen> s/is/will be/
1280. # [15:45] <@khuey> bz_sleep: sent mail
1281. # [15:46] <@khuey> bz_sleep: I think what you want for types and what the parser wants for types are unfortunately pretty different :-/
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1293. # [15:49] <@bz> khuey: replied
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1295. # [15:49] <Ms2ger> Hi bz
1296. # [15:49] <@bz> khuey: what I want for types ... depends on what I'm doing
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1298. # [15:49] <@khuey> heh
1299. # [15:49] <@bz> khuey: maybe we should just talk about this now if you have time
1300. # [15:49] <@khuey> sure
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1302. # [15:49] <@bz> khuey: start by explaining the existing setup? ;)
1303. # [15:49] <@bz> hey ms2ger
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1306. # [15:50] <@khuey> so the existing setup is a kludge of a bunch of things :-)
1307. # [15:50] <Ms2ger> Sounds like us
1308. # [15:50] <@bz> khuey: btw, you're not on much of a west coast schedule. ;)
1309. # [15:50] <@bz> khuey: ok
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1311. # [15:50] <@khuey> bz: haven't adjusted yet
1312. # [15:50] <@bz> khuey: so maybe it's not worth worrying about
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1314. # [15:50] <@khuey> I still hadn't finished adjusting from europe
1315. # [15:50] <@khuey> I wouldn't worry about the existing setup, let's just figure out what you want
1316. # [15:50] <@khuey> and implement that
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1318. # [15:50] <@bz> ok
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1320. # [15:51] <Ms2ger> bz, as for your email, whatever is least work for you :)
1321. # [15:52] <@bz> ms2ger: that somewhat depends on the outcome of this conversation with khuey
1322. # [15:52] <@bz> khuey: so here's the thing
1323. # [15:52] <Ms2ger> Alright, converse on :)
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1325. # [15:52] <@bz> khuey: in the codegen, we need to worry about types in at least three places
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1327. # [15:52] <@bz> khuey: wrapping, unwrapping, and overload resolution
1328. # [15:53] <@bz> khuey: anywhere else?
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1331. # [15:53] <@khuey> bz: not that comes to mind
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1333. # [15:53] <@bz> ok
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1335. # [15:54] <@bz> so for wrapping and unwrapping we sort of need similar information
1336. # [15:54] <@bz> which is how the IDL type maps to a C++ type
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1339. # [15:54] <@khuey> right
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1342. # [15:55] <@bz> I don't think we necessarily want the parser to do this
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1344. # [15:55] <@bz> because it can change
1345. # [15:55] <@khuey> yeah
1346. # [15:55] <@khuey> originally bholley and I thought this should all live in the codegen
1347. # [15:55] <@bz> e.g. something that maps to an interface can start mapping to a concrete class
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1349. # [15:55] <@khuey> and we came up with this tag system to let him set up a mapping
1350. # [15:55] <@bz> what codegen wants out of the parser here is a clear breakdown of what the heck it's looking at
1351. # [15:56] <@bz> or at least codegen-as-written-by-bz does
1352. # [15:56] <@khuey> heh
1353. # [15:56] <evilpie> about
1354. # [15:56] <evilpie> 10 russian people per day add me on Google+ what's that?
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1356. # [15:56] <@bz> I'm fine with lumping all Interface stuff together
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1358. # [15:56] <@bz> because then I can just use the interface name and a lookup table in the codegen
1359. # [15:56] <@bz> Let me back up
1360. # [15:56] <@bz> what sort of types do we have anyway?
1361. # [15:57] <@bz> interface
1362. # [15:57] <@bz> string
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1364. # [15:57] <@bz> various integer types
1365. # [15:57] <@bz> what else?
1366. # [15:57] <@khuey> various float types
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1370. # [15:57] <@bz> yes
1371. # [15:57] <@bz> Function
1372. # [15:57] <@khuey> arrays and sequences
1373. # [15:57] <@khuey> dictionaries
1374. # [15:57] <@khuey> enums
1375. # [15:57] <@bz> or is that an interface?
1376. # [15:57] <@khuey> 'any'
1377. # [15:57] <@khuey> Function is an interface
1378. # [15:57] <@bz> ok
1379. # [15:57] <@khuey> kind of sort of
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1381. # [15:58] <@bz> it doesn't test isInterface() at the moment
1382. # [15:58] <@khuey> it's technically a 'callback type'
1383. # [15:58] <@bz> iirc
1384. # [15:58] <@khuey> ok
1385. # [15:58] <@bz> that's how I found out that not all non-isInterface() things are ok to call tag() on
1386. # [15:58] <@khuey> ah
1387. # [15:58] <@bz> so I think that as a toplevel split this would work
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1389. # [15:59] <@bz> some sort of enum with values like "interface", "int8" (etc), "float", "array", "sequence", "dictionary", "enum", "any"
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1391. # [15:59] <@bz> or some such?
1392. # [15:59] <@bz> codegen would then have to deal with the various different kinds of "interface"
1393. # [15:59] <@bz> but that's fine
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1396. # [16:00] <@khuey> ok
1397. # [16:00] <@khuey> so basically you just want the tag setup to actually work?
1398. # [16:00] <@bz> that would work for me, I think
1399. # [16:00] <@khuey> ok
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1401. # [16:02] <@khuey> bz: alright, I'll try to fix that up as soon as I can
1402. # [16:03] <@khuey> might be a couple days though
1403. # [16:03] <@bz> khuey: ok
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1408. # [16:05] <Ms2ger> // XXX This block should be wrong.
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1423. # [16:11] <vpxlib> hey, anyone know if Firefox will be updated to libvpx 1.0.0? http://blog.webmproject.org/2012/01/vp8-codec-sdk-duclair-released.html "Decoder speed on x86 processors improved 10.5%."
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1425. # [16:12] <@smaug> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=2650d56d540c looks strange
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1427. # [16:12] <Ms2ger> vpxlib, probably; could you check if a bug has been filed, and if not, file one? Product/Component would be Core/Video / Audio
1428. # [16:13] <vpxlib> I checked, there's no bug for it
1429. # [16:13] <@bz> Ms2ger: ok. Let me figure out what my code looks like
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1431. # [16:13] <@bz> ms2ger: then I'll know how best to merge mine and yours
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1433. # [16:13] <Ms2ger> Alright, let me know
1434. # [16:14] * @bz mutters about missouri and dumb primaries
1435. # [16:15] <aja> bz: a wasted $7M
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1437. # [16:15] <@bz> aja: the fact that any govt funds the party primaries at all is insane
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1439. # [16:15] * Ms2ger didn't hear the news, the daily show isn't on over the weekend
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1444. # [16:17] <aja> bz: yeah....there's normally other local/state issues tacked on to the primary though
1445. # [16:18] * davehunt|away is now known as davehunt
1446. # [16:19] <aja> bz: sometimes we have primaries, sometimes caucuses, sometime one of each, and sometimes both
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1454. # [16:22] <@bz> Ms2ger: it's not news
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1456. # [16:22] <@bz> Ms2ger: you know how the primary process, such as it is, generally works?
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1458. # [16:22] <Ms2ger> Badly
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1461. # [16:23] <@bz> well, sure
1462. # [16:23] <@bz> but I meant the actual mechanics
1463. # [16:24] <snorp> josh: around?
1464. # [16:24] <josh> snorp: hi
1465. # [16:24] <snorp> josh: hey, so it looks like our android problem only happens when click to play is enabled
1466. # [16:24] <aja> bz: normally just advisory, in MO...unless there's a prez candidate of same party as legislature
1467. # [16:24] <snorp> josh: so that's good that there isn't some fundamental breakage
1468. # [16:25] <snorp> josh: any idea what could be going on? I tried looking at it on Friday but nsObjectLoadingContent won that round
1469. # [16:25] <@bz> aja: well, MO has caucuses to do the real work
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1471. # [16:25] <@bz> aja: right?
1472. # [16:25] <josh> snorp: I can help a little later today
1473. # [16:25] <Ms2ger> bz, *shrug* I'm only interesting in US politics when watching satire :)
1474. # [16:25] <snorp> josh: cool
1475. # [16:25] <@bz> Ms2ger: heh
1476. # [16:25] <Ms2ger> interested, even
1477. # [16:26] <@bz> Ms2ger: well, the upshot is that Missouri is having a primary tomorrow.
1478. # [16:26] <aja> bz: delegates actually set by 3-tier local/county/state conventions
1479. # [16:26] <@bz> Ms2ger: which will have no effect on anything
1480. # [16:26] <Ms2ger> Hah
1481. # [16:26] <Ms2ger> And government-paid?
1482. # [16:26] <@bz> Ms2ger: and then on March 17 they will have some caucuses to actually select the delegates to the nominating convention
1483. # [16:26] <@bz> Ms2ger: yes
1484. # [16:26] <Ms2ger> Lovely
1485. # [16:27] * Ms2ger is happy in Europe, thanks :)
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1487. # [16:27] <@bz> Ms2ger: as far as I can tell the main point of the primary is to make all the "undesirables" go vote in it while the people in the know show up for the caucuses
1488. # [16:28] <@bz> Ms2ger: heh
1489. # [16:28] * @bz notes that in the US it's simple to vote with one's feet on issues like that
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1493. # [16:30] * aja will be voting in dem primary and attending local caucus (have been doing so since 80s)
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1498. # [16:32] * aja was voed at county caucus delegate once...but dems have rules for %'s of male/female delegates, so a neighbor lady attended instead
1499. # [16:33] <aja> s/voed at/voted as/
1500. # [16:33] <@bz> aja: heh
1501. # [16:34] <aja> she was more qualified anyway....i only made it cuz i was a tiebreaker vote at local caucus
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1509. # [16:42] <ewong> who is the 'owner' of TBPL?
1510. # [16:42] <nigelb> now that you ask....
1511. # [16:42] <ewong> specifically, the Comm-central side
1512. # [16:43] <nigelb> ah, you don't mean the tbpl code itself.
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1515. # [16:43] <ewong> nigelb: no.. well.. I mean who maintains it.. like if I want to know how to add the 'self-serve Build api' to the Comm-central tbpl..
1516. # [16:44] <Ms2ger> We don't care about c-c, sorry :)
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1518. # [16:45] <nigelb> lol
1519. # [16:45] <ewong> heh..
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1522. # [16:45] <nigelb> I know the code for tbpl is owned by webtools
1523. # [16:46] <@khuey> wow
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1525. # [16:46] <@khuey> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/travel/news/accept-airport-scan-or-drive/story-e6frg8ro-1226262838340
1526. # [16:46] <@khuey> there's a country more insane about airport security than the us
1527. # [16:46] <nigelb> Is comm-central in tbpl? Or is it that I can't see.
1528. # [16:46] <Ms2ger> http://build.mozillamessaging.com/tinderboxpushlog/
1529. # [16:46] <@khuey> there's a separate tbpl instance
1530. # [16:46] <nigelb> ah
1531. # [16:46] <ewong> nigelb oh.. it uses mozillamessaging.com servers?
1532. # [16:47] <Ms2ger> Indeed so
1533. # [16:47] <nigelb> khuey: Well, after that news about people deported for tweets, I don't know if anyone can beat that.
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1535. # [16:48] <ewong> khuey that airport employee 'looks' happy that she's being scanned...
1536. # [16:49] <ewong> where every nook and cranny is exposed by the scan... o_O
1537. # [16:49] <nigelb> Propaganda.
1538. # [16:49] <@khuey> well sure, she gets paid to get scanned
1539. # [16:49] <vpxlib> I feel sorry for those that have to fly regularly, everytime you go through those scanners you get bombarded with so much radiation, you'll probably die of cancer long before the terrorists kill you
1540. # [16:49] <@khuey> unlike the rest of us, who have to pay for the privilege
1541. # [16:49] <ewong> heh...
1542. # [16:49] <nigelb> khuey++
1543. # [16:49] <ewong> khuey++
1544. # [16:50] <ewong> oh what a privilege it is... ;/
1545. # [16:50] <ewong> it's either have your body groped by the TSA or scanned by them...
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1547. # [16:50] <nigelb> I heard that in general aviation, none of these apply. Anyone know?
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1549. # [16:51] <nigelb> (the one where you charter an aircraft)
1550. # [16:51] <sancus> there's no scanners when you charter an aircraft
1551. # [16:51] <sancus> nor groping
1552. # [16:51] <nigelb> fail.
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1557. # [16:52] <sancus> well it's not like it's a useful or effective security check
1558. # [16:52] <@khuey> sancus: kind of depends
1559. # [16:52] <sancus> and there's no general public to impress on charters :p
1560. # [16:52] <@khuey> if you fly your own plane, there's no real security
1561. # [16:52] <sancus> even if you don't, there's still no scanners
1562. # [16:52] <@khuey> if you charter a plane from an airline though, there's some
1563. # [16:52] <sancus> right
1564. # [16:53] <sancus> there is a security check and metal detector wand
1565. # [16:53] <@khuey> usually wands and stuff
1566. # [16:53] <sancus> but no scanner
1567. # [16:53] <@khuey> but yeah, no body scanner
1568. # [16:53] <nigelb> or groping I suppose.
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1571. # [16:54] <sancus> IMO the scanners are 99% theatre 1% crackpots in the TSA who think they're useful, so that would explain that
1572. # [16:55] <nigelb> yet to hear of a big terrorist plot caught by the scanners.
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1575. # [16:56] <reuben> you won't hear about them even if they get caught :)
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1577. # [16:57] <sancus> I dunno, I think they would trumpet it, we have heard of plots they've stopped
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1579. # [16:57] <nigelb> well, here's the thing. They spend millions of dollars on this. I'm sure they want to trumpet the ones they stop to justify the millions.
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1581. # [16:58] <sancus> on the other side
1582. # [16:58] <sancus> we have heard of many ridiculous things that people have walked through the scanners with and not been caught
1583. # [16:58] <sancus> guns, even
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1585. # [17:00] <vpxlib> http://securitywatch.pcmag.com/web-browsers/293757-did-google-pull-a-fast-one gee, thanks Google
1586. # [17:00] <vpxlib> "Although the three browsers use the same API to identify malicious sites, they handle blocking differently. According to NSS Labs, "Chrome uses an undocumented API call to block malware once download begins. This API is not utilized by Firefox or Safari, apparently due to lack of documentation and a proprietary format."
1587. # [17:01] <gcp> this has been known for a while
1588. # [17:02] <gcp> "lack of documentation and a proprietary format" is a bit strange
1589. # [17:02] <gcp> we can see in the chrome code what it does
1590. # [17:02] <gcp> the real problem is that we didn't get permission to use that data
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1594. # [17:07] <vpxlib> http://css3test.com/ "Cheaters WebKit claims to support CSS3 background-repeat, but it’s LYING" so why people use Webkit?
1595. # [17:07] <vpxlib> typical Apple/Google
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1597. # [17:08] <reuben> css3 ~test~
1598. # [17:08] <reuben> vpxlib, robert.ocallahan.org/2012/02/problem-with-counting-browser-features.html
1599. # [17:09] <vpxlib> seen that already
1600. # [17:09] <vpxlib> still, it exposes the fact Webkit has been lying about what it actually supports
1601. # [17:09] * reuben curses the awesomebar not prepending the protocol if the page hasn't loaded
1602. # [17:10] <@bz> vpxlib: this is a surprise?
1603. # [17:10] <vpxlib> no
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1608. # [17:12] <ejpbruel_> sheppy: ping
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1610. # [17:12] <sheppy> ejpbruel_: pong
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1613. # [17:13] <ejpbruel_> sheppy: you're the one i to talk to about everything documentation related, right?
1614. # [17:13] <sheppy> ejpbruel_: for developer docs, yep.
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1617. # [17:14] <ejpbruel_> sheppy: i just wrote a rather large blog article on how strings are implemented in spidermonkey, but i feel that it might perhaps be better suited to put on MDN. would like your opinion.
1618. # [17:14] <sheppy> ejpbruel_: I agree wholeheartedly!
1619. # [17:14] <ejpbruel_> sheppy: http://blog.mozilla.com/ejpbruel/
1620. # [17:15] * @khuey heads into the office
1621. # [17:15] <@khuey> hope I can find it
1622. # [17:15] <sheppy> ejpbruel_: zomg yes that belongs on MDN
1623. # [17:15] <@bz> A word of caution
1624. # [17:15] <@bz> things like this can get outdated fast
1625. # [17:15] <NeilAway> Ms2ger--
1626. # [17:15] * NeilAway doesn't care about Ms2ger's karma, sorry :-)
1627. # [17:15] <sheppy> bz: that's true, but that's true of a lot of our content :)
1628. # [17:15] * @bz knows of at least two bug reports that would change the setup
1629. # [17:15] <@bz> sheppy: well, yes
1630. # [17:15] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, I know you don't
1631. # [17:16] <nigelb> NeilAway: heh, was that for the "we don't care about comm-central"? :)
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1633. # [17:16] <ejpbruel_> bz: id rather have something now that will be outdated in 3 months, than nothing at all :)
1634. # [17:16] <ejpbruel_> sheppy: how do i get this on MDN?
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1636. # [17:16] <Ms2ger> 3 months? Hah ;)
1637. # [17:16] <sheppy> My goal is to reduce Ms2ger's karma as much as possible.
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1639. # [17:16] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel_, so the easiest way is to have sheppy do it
1640. # [17:16] <sheppy> ejpbruel_: You can add it yourself! Just register an account, log in, and add it.
1641. # [17:16] <NeilAway> nigelb: :-)
1642. # [17:16] <sheppy> Ms2ger: Damn you :D
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1644. # [17:17] <nigelb> Ms2ger++ :D
1645. # [17:17] <ejpbruel_> sheppy: what about the images? shall i keep those on my wordpress acount?
1646. # [17:17] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel_, does the setup use C++ templates? Then he'll like it even more :)
1647. # [17:17] <ejpbruel_> bz: i'd be willing to update the article when that happens, btw
1648. # [17:17] <sheppy> ejpbruel_: You can attach the images to the article and then embed them.
1649. # [17:17] <sheppy> ejpbruel_: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/SpiderMonkey/How_strings_are_implemented_in_SpiderMonkey is where I'd put it
1650. # [17:17] <sheppy> fwiw
1651. # [17:17] <ejpbruel_> sheppy: alright, ill see what i can do :)
1652. # [17:18] <sheppy> woot - let me know if you have questions or need any help
1653. # [17:18] <ejpbruel_> sheppy: i have some other things i need to do first, so ill get back to you on this, ok?
1654. # [17:18] <@bz> ejpbruel_: awesome
1655. # [17:18] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel_, how did you create the pictures?
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1657. # [17:18] <ejpbruel_> Ms2ger: that would be omnigraffle
1658. # [17:18] <sheppy> ejpbruel_: OK, just don't forget :)
1659. # [17:19] <ejpbruel_> sheppy: i dont think so, i didnt put this much effort in it for nothing ;)
1660. # [17:19] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel_, having the source around is always helpful ;)
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1662. # [17:19] <sheppy> ejpbruel_: perhaps zip and attach the OmniGraffle file to the article too so future updaters have a copy of it to work with?
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1664. # [17:19] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel_, also, use a <table> for the table, please
1665. # [17:19] <sheppy> Ms2ger++
1666. # [17:19] <sheppy> (dammit)
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1668. # [17:19] <Ms2ger> sheppy++ :)
1669. # [17:19] <ejpbruel_> Ms2ger: that kind of messed up my layout in wordpress, hence the image
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1673. # [17:20] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel_, it will look good enough on MDN :)
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1683. # [17:23] <Ms2ger> "B&amp;amp; asB()"
1684. # [17:23] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel_, seems like overescaping ;)
1685. # [17:24] <edmorley> tbpl down for me (and down for everyone agrees), so closing m-c and inbound for now
1686. # [17:24] <edmorley> unless it's working for anyone else
1687. # [17:25] <edmorley> hmmm it's half loaded now
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1691. # [17:26] <edmorley> thoughts?
1692. # [17:26] <Ms2ger> Closing wfm
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1694. # [17:26] <ejpbruel_> Ms2ger: looks like it
1695. # [17:26] * Ms2ger doesn't have anything to land
1696. # [17:26] <ejpbruel_> Ms2ger: not sure how to get rid of it though :S
1697. # [17:26] <ejpbruel_> thanks for spotting it!
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1699. # [17:26] <Ms2ger> No idea
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1709. # [17:29] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel_, and s/issueing/issuing/
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1711. # [17:29] <ejpbruel_> Ms2ger: that one is my lack of mastery over the English language
1712. # [17:29] <ejpbruel_> :(
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1714. # [17:30] <Ms2ger> Hey, sheppy should still have something to copyedit :)
1715. # [17:30] <sheppy> Ms2ger: hehe, I'll look it over once it's posted and tidy things up
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1722. # [17:35] <Ms2ger> Allocate a memory block s’ of size n + 1:
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1724. # [17:35] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel_, that should be n', no?
1725. # [17:35] <ejpbruel_> Ms2ger: yep
1726. # [17:36] <Ms2ger> Copy n’ bytes from s’ to s”:
1727. # [17:36] <Ms2ger> n''
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1742. # [17:41] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, is there some way to tell what the failure is? Is it subpixel? The two images seem to look visually the same for me in a Windows nightly, although I didn't try running in the reftest viewer.
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1744. # [17:42] <AryehGregor> (because I don't have a version I compiled myself, and it would be a significant hassle to set one up)
1745. # [17:42] <Ms2ger> Remind me of the bug number, please?
1746. # [17:42] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723680
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1753. # [17:45] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, looks like the reference has the text a pixel or so lower than the test
1754. # [17:45] <Ms2ger> So probably subpixel, yes
1755. # [17:46] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, is that actually a bug in Firefox that should be fixed? Logically the files should render the same, but I don't know how particular people are about rounding errors here.
1756. # [17:46] <Ms2ger> Me neither
1757. # [17:46] <Ms2ger> roc?
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1759. # [17:46] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel_, "where p is the smallest integer such that n1 + n2 + 1 = 2^p:" needs <=
1760. # [17:47] <Ms2ger> And again the next paragraph
1761. # [17:47] <ejpbruel_> Ms2ger: jep, thanks for catching all of these!
1762. # [17:48] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, FWIW, some other rotation-related tests are disabled due to subpixel errors, I think.
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1764. # [17:48] <AryehGregor> According to the reflist.
1765. # [17:48] <Ms2ger> That doesn't surprise me
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1767. # [17:48] <Ms2ger> I'd just mark it as fails-if()
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1770. # [17:49] <AryehGregor> Ah, okay.
1771. # [17:49] <AryehGregor> What should I change this to?
1772. # [17:49] <AryehGregor> -fails == preserve3d-1a.html preserve3d-1-ref.html
1773. # [17:49] <AryehGregor> +== preserve3d-1a.html preserve3d-1-ref.html
1774. # [17:49] <Ms2ger> Looks like it's win7 only
1775. # [17:49] <AryehGregor> "+fails-if(Windows) == preserve3d-1a.html preserve3d-1-ref.html" or something?
1776. # [17:49] <AryehGregor> Interesting.
1777. # [17:50] <Ms2ger> philor, what's the incantation for that? Regexp?
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1779. # [17:51] <Ms2ger> Hmm
1780. # [17:51] <gcp> dcamp: http://www.morbo.org/2012/02/new-safebrowsing-backend.html and http://www.nsslabs.com/company/news/press-releases/899.html
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1783. # [17:54] <Ms2ger> Maybe fails-if(/^Windows\x20NT\x206\.1/.test(http.oscpu)&&!layersGPUAccelerated)
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1785. # [17:55] <Ms2ger> Bas, do you know if !layersGPUAccelerated would be true on win7 tinderboxen?
1786. # [17:55] <AryehGregor> Is there some way to tell if that incantation will actually work without Bugzilla-mediated trial-and-error?
1787. # [17:56] <AryehGregor> Also, is this just going to break again when Win8 boxes are added?
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1789. # [17:56] <AryehGregor> (although maybe that's not my problem :) )
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1791. # [17:57] <Ms2ger> Yeah, we pretty much always have failures when adding new OS versions
1792. # [17:57] <Ms2ger> Most of our testsuites seem to still fail on OSX.7, for example
1793. # [17:57] <sheppy> Let's just start shipping Firefox bundled in a VM with a specific OS, so we don't have to worry about that anymore.
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1795. # [17:57] <Ms2ger> sheppy, I vote Ubuntu
1796. # [17:58] <sheppy> Ms2ger: I… I...
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1798. # [18:01] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel_, "Perhaps surprisingly, the SpiderMonkey API does not provide any functions to create instances of JSExternalStrings." wait, what?
1799. # [18:01] <Ms2ger> JSExtensibleStrings, right?
1800. # [18:02] <ejpbruel_> Ms2ger: oops
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1802. # [18:02] <Ms2ger> Alright, done for now :)
1803. # [18:02] <Ms2ger> Great writeup
1804. # [18:02] <blassey> who is responsible for api-dev.bugzilla.mozilla.org?
1805. # [18:02] <ejpbruel_> Ms2ger: the &amp; issue seems like tis caused by a wordpress plugin, not surw how to solve it
1806. # [18:02] <Ms2ger> glob?
1807. # [18:02] <ejpbruel_> Ms2ger: thanks a lot for catching those errors!
1808. # [18:03] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel_, return pointers, especially as you do return (C *) this; :)
1809. # [18:03] <glob> blassey, gerv
1810. # [18:03] <sheppy> ejpbruel_: really excited to get that content on MDN. We need more "how stuff works" content like that.
1811. # [18:03] <gerv> pong.
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1813. # [18:03] <glob> gerv ^ blassey
1814. # [18:03] <ejpbruel_> sheppy: i know. i feel the same way. when i first started out here i was immensely frustrated by the lack of good docs on how stuff works
1815. # [18:03] <blassey> gerv: api-dev.bugzilla.mozilla.org is taking forever to respond
1816. # [18:03] * gerv looks
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1818. # [18:03] <sheppy> ejpbruel_: Yep, exactly
1819. # [18:03] <blassey> for example https://api-dev.bugzilla.mozilla.org/latest/bug/712358
1820. # [18:04] <ejpbruel_> sheppy: there are some plans to write something similar for the xpconnect wrappers
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1822. # [18:04] <ejpbruel_> sheppy: will be visiting mrbkap in paris in a week or so to get some 1-on-1 on how they work
1823. # [18:04] <sheppy> blassey: could that be related to the problems announced on yammer a bit ago?
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1825. # [18:04] <sheppy> ejpbruel_: I think I love you :D
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1827. # [18:04] <Ms2ger> yammer--
1828. # [18:04] <blassey> sheppy: care to elaborate?
1829. # [18:04] <blassey> I don't use yammer
1830. # [18:04] <gerv> blassey: So is Bugzilla...
1831. # [18:04] <sheppy> Docs for how wrappers work are high on the "someone needs to do that" list.
1832. # [18:04] <edmorley> blassey: PHX load balancer issues
1833. # [18:04] <sheppy> "We are currently experiencing difficulties with one of the load balancing servers in our phoenix data center. Some services hosted there may experience a delay while the traffic is moved to another load balancer."
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1836. # [18:05] <gerv> I _think_ BzAPI is in PHX, and Bugzilla has a backup in San Jose, but BzAPI doesn't.
1837. # [18:06] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, you don't have try access?
1838. # [18:06] <humph> anyone know how I invoke the mochitest sanity tests?
1839. # [18:06] <ejpbruel_> sheppy: absolutely. im a platform dev for the addon-sdk team, and we do a lot of stuff with wrappers, but there is virtually no information on them, which is immensely frustrating
1840. # [18:06] <sheppy> I'm a little surprised that announcement hasn't come down by email yet.
1841. # [18:06] <sheppy> ejpbruel_: Well, anything you learn along the way would be awesome written down.
1842. # [18:06] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, no. If I did, I'd have submitted to the try server before posting the patch, instead of just running locally. :)
1843. # [18:06] <humph> e.g., stuff like testing/mochitest/tests/test_sanitySimpletest.html
1844. # [18:06] <gerv> blassey: Sorry, but I don't think there's much I can do.
1845. # [18:06] <gerv> root@bugzilla-api01:~# uptime
1846. # [18:06] <gerv> 08:58:19 up 445 days, 9:41, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.05, 0.01
1847. # [18:06] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, file a bug, I can vouch for you :)
1848. # [18:06] <ejpbruel_> sheppy: jep. ill get back to you on that in a couple of weeks.
1849. # [18:06] <blassey> gerv: sounds like its in IT's hands
1850. # [18:06] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, what component?
1851. # [18:06] <blassey> which is what I expected
1852. # [18:07] <sheppy> ejpbruel_: woot
1853. # [18:07] <edmorley> gerv: nice uptime :-)
1854. # [18:07] <Ms2ger> mozilla.org::Repository Account Requests, IIRC
1855. # [18:07] <gerv> edmorley: Thanks :-))
1856. # [18:07] <bhearsum> who closed the trees when the network issues started?
1857. # [18:07] <Ms2ger> bhearsum, edmorley
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1859. # [18:07] <bhearsum> ahh
1860. # [18:08] <edmorley> bhearsum: tbpl seems to be just about loading now, so might be ok to reopen, that is if it's not going to get worse again
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1862. # [18:08] <bhearsum> yup, i was just going to tell you that IT thinks it's OK to re-open now
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1864. # [18:09] * edmorley changes topic to 'm-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: 13th March || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
1865. # [18:09] <Ms2ger> bz, ah, telling people they're wrong on www-style... ;)
1866. # [18:09] <edmorley> bhearsum: done; though tbpl not the speediest it's ever been
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1868. # [18:11] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/committer/
1869. # [18:11] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, yep, I found it and am reading. Thanks.
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1872. # [18:11] <Bas> Ms2ger: Complex story right now, which tinderboxes?
1873. # [18:12] <Ms2ger> Ah
1874. # [18:12] <Ms2ger> Bas, AryehGregor had reftest failures on Win7, and we were wondering which incantation to use
1875. # [18:12] <Ms2ger> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=663892ff23e0&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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1877. # [18:12] <Bas> Ms3ger: Reftest on tinderboxes right now are !layerGPUAccelerated.
1878. # [18:13] <Bas> Ms2ger: ^^
1879. # [18:13] <Bas> This will change soon.
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1881. # [18:13] <Ms2ger> Mhmm
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1884. # [18:14] <Ms2ger> Bas, and do you reckon the tests that are currently marked fails-if(win7&&!layerGPUAccelerated) actually pass when layerGPUAccelerated is true? :)
1885. # [18:14] <Bas> Ms2ger: I believe so, yes.
1886. # [18:14] <Bas> Ms2ger: Try runs accelerated win7 reftests.
1887. # [18:14] <Bas> So you can see there.
1888. # [18:14] <Ms2ger> Ah
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1890. # [18:15] <Ms2ger> Bas, R and Ru failed on try
1891. # [18:15] <Ms2ger> Need to go, bbiab
1892. # [18:15] <Bas> Ms2ger: Sure!
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1899. # [18:23] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724573
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1911. # [18:29] <@bz> does anyone know what this autoland thing is?
1912. # [18:29] <@bz> does it automatically push-to-try checkin-needed stuff?
1913. # [18:29] <@bz> or something else?
1914. # [18:30] <@bz> (or put another way, should I be paying any attention to it?)
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1916. # [18:30] <@smaug> ehsan: ^
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1918. # [18:30] <Standard8> bz: there's a wiki page around somewhere
1919. # [18:30] <Standard8> https://wiki.mozilla.org/BugzillaAutoLanding
1920. # [18:31] <Standard8> bz: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Build:Autoland is probably the one you want to read
1921. # [18:31] <MarcoZ> Any objections to me pushing an a11y contributor patch to inbound?
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1924. # [18:32] <@bz> Standard8: thanks
1925. # [18:32] <@bz> Standard8: so the answer is that this lets anyone push patches to try
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1927. # [18:32] <Standard8> yep
1928. # [18:32] <@bz> Standard8: using a status whiteboard tag
1929. # [18:32] <Standard8> not
1930. # [18:32] <Standard8> quite
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1932. # [18:32] * @bz keeps reading
1933. # [18:32] <Standard8> I think there's something that ties it to your permissions
1934. # [18:33] <@bz> aha
1935. # [18:33] <@bz> I was hoping!
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1937. # [18:33] * @bz reads more
1938. # [18:33] <@bz> hmm
1939. # [18:33] <jdm> bz: it's based on who attached the patch or r+ed it
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1942. # [18:34] <@bz> Is there just a big mapping table?
1943. # [18:34] <reuben> nice
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1945. # [18:34] <@bz> from bugzilla accounts to LDAP accounts?
1946. # [18:34] * bear-afk is now known as bear
1947. # [18:34] * Standard8 doubts it but hasn't tried
1948. # [18:34] <jdm> bz: no, I think it assumed your LDAP account is your bugzilla one
1949. # [18:34] <@bz> ah
1950. # [18:34] <Standard8> jdm: yeah so that would probably break for me
1951. # [18:34] <@bz> that's moderately unfortunate
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1956. # [18:35] * @bz wonders where the list of LDAP accounts lives
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1958. # [18:36] <jlebar> Well, this is one way to get everyone to use their @mozilla.com e-mail for bugzilla.
1959. # [18:37] <jlebar> That way, when mozilla e-mail goes down, we *really* won't be able to do any work.
1960. # [18:37] * @bz is pretty sure that a majority of layout peers, for example, doesn't have the same address for ldap and bugzilla
1961. # [18:37] <@bz> jlebar: not happening
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1964. # [18:37] <@bz> jlebar: the other option is to allow changing the mail on the ldap account to correspond to contribution, not employment. ;)
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1966. # [18:37] <jlebar> bz, Accomplishing things is overrated. :)
1967. # [18:37] <@bz> jlebar: which is an option non-employees have anyway!
1968. # [18:37] <@bz> ok
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1970. # [18:38] <BenWa> Right, I commit under my personal email for that reason
1971. # [18:38] <@bz> Oh, I _commit_ under my mit.edu address
1972. # [18:38] <@bz> but I _push_ under my mozilla.com address
1973. # [18:38] <jlebar> bz, (Changing ldap to my gmail account still wouldn't solve the problem for those of us who use + addressing (e.g. me+bugzilla@gmail.com))
1974. # [18:39] <@bz> it's slightly dumb
1975. # [18:39] <@bz> jlebar: yeah, indeed
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1977. # [18:39] <@bz> jlebar: orthogonal problems
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1979. # [18:39] <@bz> jlebar: ldap should not be tied to bugzilla, and ldap should not be tied to mozilla.com mail for employees
1980. # [18:39] <@bz> jlebar: imho
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1982. # [18:39] <jlebar> indeed.
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1984. # [18:39] <glob> ldap isn't tied to bmo
1985. # [18:39] <@bz> assuming we want an SMTP-addressable ldap username
1986. # [18:39] <BenWa> right, I also meant push
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1988. # [18:40] <@bz> glob: well, it is if you want to use the autolander right now!
1989. # [18:40] <@bz> jlebar: I wonder how we handle ldap accounts for people who stop working for moco....
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1993. # [18:40] <glob> bz, fair enough. although i do believe it's early days for autolander
1994. # [18:40] <Fallen> isn't the bugzilla email part of ldap? i.e where does the phonebook entry for bugmail go?
1995. # [18:41] <Fallen> can't that be looked up?
1996. # [18:41] <glob> jlebar, in what respect?
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1998. # [18:41] <@khuey> Fallen: for employees, yes
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2001. # [18:41] <@khuey> afaik contributors have no way to set that
2002. # [18:41] <glob> Fallen, yes, but it's wrong for many people, and for employees only
2003. # [18:41] <@bz> glob: sure
2004. # [18:41] <jlebar> glob, If I change my ldap login to my.name@gmail.com, that still won't match my bugzilla login, my.name+bug@gmail.com.
2005. # [18:41] <jlebar> s/change/changed, s/won't/wouldn't
2006. # [18:42] <glob> jlebar, i have a script which cross-checks ldap and bmo (so ex-staff accounts are deblessed/disabled when ldap account is disabled). it manages that situation ok
2007. # [18:42] * @bz would just settle for being able to change his LDAP login at all
2008. # [18:43] * NeilAway doesn't get bugmail to his contributor account either, so...
2009. # [18:43] <glob> bz++ :)
2010. # [18:43] <jhford-work> are silent updates landed on aurora?
2011. # [18:43] <jlebar> glob++
2012. # [18:43] <@bz> jlebar++, completing the cycle
2013. # [18:43] <glob> lol
2014. # [18:44] <@bz> it's a circle-postincrement
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2016. # [18:45] <@bz> 5733 files updated, 0 files merged, 1245 files removed, 0 files unresolved
2017. # [18:45] * @bz mutters
2018. # [18:46] <@khuey> bz: would you rather I fix the parser or work on filing the MS bug first?
2019. # [18:46] <sfink> a disturbance in the force...
2020. # [18:46] <@bz> khuey: hmm
2021. # [18:46] <smontagu> mxr has got to be as slow as bugzilla :(
2022. # [18:46] <@bz> khuey: the latter
2023. # [18:46] <@khuey> bz: ok
2024. # [18:47] <@bz> khuey: I'm not blocked on the parser right this sec
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2026. # [18:47] * @bz _is_ blocked on XHR and such not exposing the method signatures he needs!
2027. # [18:47] <@bz> I need to fix that
2028. # [18:47] <@khuey> heh
2029. # [18:48] <gaston> i dont get browserid.. once i created the account on browserid.org and associated a pwd with it, when i try to login to mozillians.org it asks the password
2030. # [18:48] <@bz> which means I need to make a final decision on the signatures
2031. # [18:48] <gaston> i thought it was all about avoiding passwords....
2032. # [18:48] <@khuey> bz: would you happen to have that try cset?
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2035. # [18:48] <jdm> gaston: the difference here is that it's one password for browserid across all sites, I'm pretty sure
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2037. # [18:49] <@bz> khuey: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=cd2dfa804461
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2039. # [18:49] <@bz> One password to rule them all
2040. # [18:49] <@bz> One password to identify them
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2042. # [18:49] <@bz> One password to bring them all
2043. # [18:49] <gaston> jdm: sure, but if i read https://browserid.org/about it says 'no password necessary' :)
2044. # [18:49] <@bz> And to the socket bind(2) them
2045. # [18:49] * @khuey pulls
2046. # [18:50] <@bz> khuey: from try?
2047. # [18:50] <@bz> khuey: that's silly
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2049. # [18:50] <gaston> i've signed up to mozilians.org, and if i try to signup to browserid.org it _reasks_ for the pwd :)
2050. # [18:50] <@bz> khuey: want a bundle on top of a changeset of your choice?
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2052. # [18:51] <Ms2ger> bz, if you need me to rewrite some function signatures...
2053. # [18:52] <@khuey> bz: not clone, pull
2054. # [18:52] <@bz> khuey: ah
2055. # [18:52] <Honza> I just noticed that bundle_brand (a string bundle) doesn't exist anymore. Was it renamed?
2056. # [18:52] <@bz> khuey: is that somewhat sane from try?
2057. # [18:52] <@bz> Ms2ger: I might well
2058. # [18:53] <@bz> Ms2ger: once we decide on the signature
2059. # [18:53] <Ms2ger> :)
2060. # [18:53] <@bz> Ms2ger: if you want to experiment with it....
2061. # [18:53] <@khuey> bz: appears to be
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2063. # [18:53] <Ms2ger> I'd rather not rewrite them more than once ;)
2064. # [18:53] <@bz> ok
2065. # [18:53] <@bz> fair
2066. # [18:53] <@bz> in that case, please wait
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2068. # [18:53] <Ms2ger> :)
2069. # [18:53] * @bz is almost done with the weekend email
2070. # [18:54] <@bz> then I can get back to this stuff
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2072. # [18:54] <@bz> "Cool! You have answered. I'll take a quote! The meaning of life and
2073. # [18:54] <@bz> everything else. Decided. No kidding!..."
2074. # [18:54] * @bz loves blogspam
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2076. # [18:54] <@bz> (this is a comment on an entry entitled "Capability sniffing done wrong")
2077. # [18:54] <Ms2ger> bz, btw, I think I'd prefer nsresult& rv so I don't have to dereference every time we throw
2078. # [18:55] <@bz> yeah
2079. # [18:55] <@bz> I think I've decided on that too
2080. # [18:55] <@bz> I heard no objections
2081. # [18:55] <Ms2ger> And it's what Chrome does! ;)
2082. # [18:55] <@bz> so we'll just have a coup de main here
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2084. # [18:55] <@bz> and then argue that the burden of making changes lies with those who wish to make them
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2086. # [18:56] <Ms2ger> Indeed :)
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2088. # [18:56] <gaston> anyone can vouch https://mozillians.org/fr/u/12efcdb885 for me ? khuey, Ms2ger ? :)
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2092. # [18:57] <Ms2ger> gaston, I would, but I can't remember my browserid password
2093. # [18:57] <gaston> hah :)
2094. # [18:58] <@bz> oh, right
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2097. # [18:58] <@bz> my browserid password is the f-ed up thing because they have random conditions on the password..
2098. # [18:58] <@khuey> done
2099. # [18:58] <Ms2ger> bz, though if someone who's good with static analysis wants to write a tool before I get to doing it by hand, I won't object :)
2100. # [18:58] <@bz> so yeah
2101. # [18:58] <gaston> khuey: thx
2102. # [18:58] <@bz> why _did_ I just have to sign in to browserid?
2103. # [18:58] <@bz> Ms2ger: heh
2104. # [18:58] <gaston> yeah i got bitten by 'you need more than 8 chars' too ...
2105. # [18:59] <@bz> Ms2ger: well, the good news is that we're doing a few classes at a time
2106. # [18:59] <Ms2ger> Well, good
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2108. # [18:59] <@bz> Ms2ger: so for now you'd only really need to do xhr
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2110. # [18:59] <reuben> unf. playdoh should use Accept-Language, not an explicit language code in the URL :/
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2112. # [18:59] <Ms2ger> It means that we probably will get a tool, but not before we do nodes :)
2113. # [18:59] <@bz> that seems plausible
2114. # [18:59] <reuben> *no one* strips that part before sharing mozilla webpages
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2117. # [18:59] <@bz> esp because this is not just a syntactic change
2118. # [19:00] <@bz> there are semantic differences
2119. # [19:00] <@bz> so.....
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2121. # [19:00] <sfink> browserid accepts "correct horse battery staple!", at least.
2122. # [19:00] <@khuey> reuben: yeah, that was annoying
2123. # [19:00] <Ms2ger> sfink, hah
2124. # [19:00] <Ms2ger> Doesn't accept hunter2?
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2126. # [19:01] <sfink> it wants the unnecessary exclamation point, though
2127. # [19:01] <@khuey> why would it accept *******?
2128. # [19:01] <jhammel> khuey++
2129. # [19:01] <Ms2ger> khuey++
2130. # [19:01] <Ms2ger> You know your memes, sir :)
2131. # [19:01] <sfink> I just got my LDAP password timeout again, so I'm up to hunter7 now.
2132. # [19:01] <nigelb> khuey++
2133. # [19:02] <nigelb> its not per se a meme.
2134. # [19:02] <jhammel> it is now :)
2135. # [19:02] <gregglind> so, supposed I wanted to hear all nsObserver events... my best plan so far is 1) debug build 2) export NSPR_LOG_MODULES=all:5,timestamp 3) log and profit?? It would be really nice to hear all events from within Fx (chrome privs), but I am not seeing a component for it. Ideas / improvements / suggestions?
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2138. # [19:02] <Ms2ger> sfink++
2139. # [19:03] <sfink> if (rand() > 0.5) Ms2ger++
2140. # [19:03] <sfink> just to keep you guessing
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2142. # [19:03] <reuben> khuey, it hurts in all kinds of places. I've seen /en-US/ links on the firefox facebook page, for example.
2143. # [19:03] <reuben> ++sfink++
2144. # [19:03] <reuben> undefined karma
2145. # [19:04] * @bz tries to execute the psuedocode, throws on unknown symbol
2146. # [19:04] <@khuey> reuben: is there a bug on file?
2147. # [19:04] <sfink> I may not be famous, but that's a little harsh
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2150. # [19:05] <@bz> reuben: pick a better language
2151. # [19:05] <@bz> reuben: no such thing in JS!
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2155. # [19:06] <jdm> gregglind: you want... all the observable notifications?
2156. # [19:06] <Ms2ger> if (Math.random() > 0.5) { bz--; }
2157. # [19:06] <@bz> Ms2ger: that's more like it. ;)
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2161. # [19:07] <gregglind> jdm, I want everything :) (use case, developing test pilot studies, other 'debug / exploratory' cases). The "log viewer" add-on does some of this but has rough edges.
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2164. # [19:07] <cmr> for (user in mozilla.irc['#developers']) { mozilla.irc['#developers'].nicks[user].karma--; }
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2167. # [19:07] <Ms2ger> Though I guess nowadays it would be window.crypto.getRandomValues(typedarray); if (typedarray[0] > .5) ..
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2170. # [19:07] <Ms2ger> cmr--
2171. # [19:07] <reuben> khuey, I don't know, let me look/ask
2172. # [19:08] <gregglind> jdm, if there are other solutions (like: run it from mozmill), I am agnostic on it.
2173. # [19:08] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: after all, how would you deal with throwing a null nsresult pointer?
2174. # [19:08] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, crash
2175. # [19:08] <Ms2ger> Like I deal with a null outparam
2176. # [19:08] <@bz> cmr: what you really need is a KarmaDecreaserFactoryFactory
2177. # [19:08] <Ms2ger> bz approves
2178. # [19:09] <Mook_as> gregglind: you only need NSPR_LOG_MODULES=ObserverService:5 I think
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2180. # [19:09] <NeilAway> aargh
2181. # [19:09] <NeilAway> reuben += sfink
2182. # [19:09] <NeilAway> that should clear things up
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2186. # [19:10] <Ms2ger> cmr -= cmr
2187. # [19:10] <gregglind> Mook_as, good note. Having too many log events isn't really the bloody part of this, so far.
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2189. # [19:10] <sfink> I'd rather eat a Reuben, honestly
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2191. # [19:10] * NeilAway hopes bz's random number exactly hits 0.5
2192. # [19:11] <gregglind> Mook_as, it would be nice to register a listener on "*" inside fx nsiObserver, but that seems impossible.
2193. # [19:11] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, btw, http://trychooser.pub.build.mozilla.org/ will be useful once your access comes in
2194. # [19:11] <Mook_as> gregglind: adding FORCE_PR_LOG=1 before all the includes in nsObserverService.cpp might be nice too
2195. # [19:11] <Ms2ger> (Allows you to run just the tests you need)
2196. # [19:11] <edmorley> I've not been able to get anything other than |Fetching summary failed.| out of tbpl for the last 30 mins, anyone else having more luck?
2197. # [19:11] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, nice, thanks.
2198. # [19:11] <Mook_as> gregglind: oh, you mean http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/ds/nsObserverService.cpp#184 ?
2199. # [19:12] <gregglind> Mook_as, I might just be an idiot :) That is undocumented, and should be in the examples :) I will edit the wiki, if that works.
2200. # [19:12] <@bz> FORCE_PR_LOG is undocumented?
2201. # [19:12] * Mook_as has no idea if it's undocumented-because-people-didn't-bother or undocumented-because-it-is-unsupported
2202. # [19:13] <Mook_as> no, addObserver("*") is
2203. # [19:13] <@bz> ah
2204. # [19:13] <@bz> mmmm
2205. # [19:13] * @bz had no idea we allowed that
2206. # [19:13] <@bz> ok, then
2207. # [19:13] <Mook_as> exactly ;)
2208. # [19:14] <gregglind> I will get that in the wiki, if it works. This the 3rd time I have asked about this over the last few months, and you are first one to mention it :)
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2210. # [19:15] <@khuey> addObserver("*")?
2211. # [19:15] * @khuey cries
2212. # [19:15] <Mook_as> for some odd reason people trust docs instead of reading nsObserverService.cpp :p
2213. # [19:16] <reuben> sfink, wow, I had no idea
2214. # [19:16] <reuben> that looks delicious
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2218. # [19:17] <sfink> Give reuben a sandwich, he eats for a day. Teach reuben what his name means, he has a new favorite restaurant order for the rest of his life.
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2220. # [19:18] <louisremi> I need help from mathematicians like you guys: I want to use the data from a DeviceOrientationEvent to rotated an image using rotate3d. How do I convert alpha,beta,gamma to rotate3d(x,y,z,angle)? (google did not help)
2221. # [19:18] <reuben> sfink, sadly, we don't have those around here. (otherwise I'd have known!)
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2227. # [19:20] * @bz goes to look up what all those are
2228. # [19:20] <sfink> Do not attempt to use reality to interfere with my jokes. I assure you, they are completely immune.
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2230. # [19:20] <@bz> louisremi: so...
2231. # [19:21] <sfink> I think alpha,beta,gamma are ambiguous to begin with
2232. # [19:21] <@bz> yes, they are
2233. # [19:21] <@bz> looking at the spec, looks like they're Euler angles
2234. # [19:21] <@bz> basically
2235. # [19:21] <sfink> yeah, they suck for interpolation
2236. # [19:21] <@bz> let's ignore that for now
2237. # [19:22] <@khuey> now that I'm in an office I really need to get myself a nice desktop machine
2238. # [19:22] <louisremi> yep
2239. # [19:22] <@khuey> doing PGO builds on my laptop is no fun
2240. # [19:22] <sfink> "doctor, it hurts..."
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2242. # [19:22] * @bz looks up what rotate3d takes
2243. # [19:23] <@bz> louisremi: this is going to be fun
2244. # [19:23] <@bz> louisremi: since of course the mapping is not 1-1... ;)
2245. # [19:23] <louisremi> bz: yeah I know :-/
2246. # [19:23] <sfink> looks like axis, angle. But I can't remember the conversion. Maybe just rotate 0,0,1 by each?
2247. # [19:23] <jbuck> khuey: just get a laptop with a sandy bridge cpu, problem solved
2248. # [19:24] <jbuck> and an ssd, for good measure
2249. # [19:24] <@khuey> jbuck: I already have that
2250. # [19:24] <@bz> louisremi: I assume you really would like a rotate3d and not just a matrix3d() ?
2251. # [19:24] <@khuey> need to go faster!!
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2254. # [19:24] <louisremi> bz: yes, I'd prefer rotate3d only
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2260. # [19:27] <@bz> louisremi: so
2261. # [19:28] <@bz> louisremi: the simplest thing to do seems to be to compute the rotation matrix
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2263. # [19:28] <@bz> louisremi: and then go from that to the axis/angle formulation
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2265. # [19:29] <@bz> So start with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_representation_%28mathematics%29#Rotation_matrix_.E2.86.94_Euler_angles
2266. # [19:29] <@bz> The second part
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2268. # [19:29] <@bz> that gives the rotation matrix in terms of trig functions of the three angles
2269. # [19:29] <@bz> And then do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_representation_%28mathematics%29#Rotation_matrix_.E2.86.94_Euler_axis.2Fangle (the first part)
2270. # [19:29] <louisremi> bz: yes
2271. # [19:30] <@bz> louisremi: you have to make sure that your notation matches up with the one there, of course
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2274. # [19:30] <@bz> Or is that the sticking point?
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2278. # [19:31] <louisremi> well don't ask me :-|
2279. # [19:31] <@bz> ok
2280. # [19:31] <@bz> one sec
2281. # [19:31] <@bz> do you know how to multiply matrices?
2282. # [19:32] * jhford-work-away is now known as jhford-work
2283. # [19:32] <louisremi> bz: yes, i do
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2285. # [19:33] <@bz> ok
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2288. # [19:33] * @bz makes sure he understands the deviceorientation spec
2289. # [19:33] <@bz> so another question
2290. # [19:34] <@bz> what do you really mean by converting the deviceorientation event to a rotate3d?
2291. # [19:34] <@bz> do you mean that you want to have a rotate3d applied to an element such that when you move the device the element appears to be stationary wrt the earth?
2292. # [19:35] <hub> btw, this AM I had a spining beach ball of death on Aurora. something related to a very long sqlite3 operation for which the main thread was waiting on
2293. # [19:35] <hub> (I have the "sample" output at home)
2294. # [19:35] <louisremi> bz: no, the element I rotate isn't on the device, I send the data to my computer and rotate3d an image of a smartphone
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2296. # [19:35] <@bz> ok
2297. # [19:35] <@bz> I see
2298. # [19:35] <reuben> like remote-tilt.com
2299. # [19:36] * @bz makes notes
2300. # [19:36] <reuben> oh, that _is_ you
2301. # [19:36] <sfink> so couldn't you just use 3 rotate3d calls, one for each Euler angle with the appropriate axis?
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2303. # [19:36] <sfink> Oh. rotate3d must be CSS or something.
2304. # [19:36] <louisremi> reuben: like remote-tilt.com, exactly, and if you've used the range input of the remote control, you can see that remy sharp got it wrong
2305. # [19:36] <sfink> never mind, I'll go back to my hole.
2306. # [19:36] <@bz> yes
2307. # [19:36] <@bz> though actually, you could
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2309. # [19:37] <sfink> sure, my hole's big enough. Come on in.
2310. # [19:37] <louisremi> no, you cannot use rotateX() rotateY() rotateZ()
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2312. # [19:37] <sfink> well, that's the wrong order, for one
2313. # [19:38] <louisremi> sfink: anyway, those functions would be composed and the result would be wrong, just like remote-tilt's remote is wrong
2314. # [19:38] <louisremi> buggy, I mean
2315. # [19:38] <@bz> well, hold on
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2317. # [19:38] <@bz> we _want_ to compose stuff
2318. # [19:39] <@bz> we just have to be careful
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2322. # [19:39] <@bz> So the definition of alpha/beta/gamma in the spec....
2323. # [19:39] <@bz> Says that to convert a vector from the Earth coord system to the phone coord system you have to do the following, in order:
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2326. # [19:40] <@bz> 1) Rotate by alpha around the positive z-axis, in the right-hand-rule positive direction
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2329. # [19:40] <jdm> ehsan: ping
2330. # [19:40] <@bz> 2) Rotate by beta around the image of the positive x-axis after performing 1
2331. # [19:40] <louisremi> bz: yes, currently reading it
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2333. # [19:41] <@bz> 3) Rotate by gamma arrround the image of the positive y-axis after perforing 1 and 2
2334. # [19:41] <@bz> er, performing
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2336. # [19:42] <@bz> that's what alpha/beta/gamma tell you
2337. # [19:42] <@bz> now on the other side of the pond...
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2339. # [19:43] <@bz> You have an image of a phone, presumably
2340. # [19:43] <@bz> in a div
2341. # [19:43] <@ehsan> jdm: hi
2342. # [19:43] <louisremi> bz: yes
2343. # [19:43] <@bz> you want to apply to the div a coordinate transformation such that the coordinate system of the div ends up matching the coordinate system of the phone
2344. # [19:43] <sfink> ooh, I think I see where bz's going with this...
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2346. # [19:43] <@ehsan> smaug: you pinged me about something but I got distracted and I no longer have it in my backscroll
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2349. # [19:44] <louisremi> sfink: haha
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2351. # [19:44] <@bz> I _believe_ that applying rotateZ then rotateX then rotateY in that order, by angles alpha, beta, gamma
2352. # [19:44] <@bz> should do the right thing
2353. # [19:44] * @bz tests
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2355. # [19:44] <sfink> and if not, try it in the reverse order
2356. # [19:45] <jdm> ehsan: what do you thing of a global counter of private docshells in the PB service that sends out the current transition notifications when the counter hits 0 and 1?
2357. # [19:45] <@bz> no, transforms are weird
2358. # [19:45] <@bz> the order listed is the order transformations are applied in
2359. # [19:45] <@khuey> so, how does one nominate things for the esr dot release?
2360. # [19:45] <@bz> if you want to think of them as matrices, the most natural way is to think of them as acting by right-multiplication
2361. # [19:46] <sfink> right, and half the time you'll be working row-major, and the other half column-major, so you end up needing to try both ways anyway. (Though I'm extremely math-challenged, so maybe it's just me.)
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2363. # [19:46] <louisremi> I have to admit I did not try all combinations of rotateX/Y/Z functions, but the one I tried didn't work
2364. # [19:46] <sfink> X,Y,Z definitely won't
2365. # [19:47] <@ehsan> jdm: why would we want to do that?
2366. # [19:48] <jdm> ehsan: because I'm thinking about whether we want to have a private-browsing cache that stays around for the lifetime of the overall firefox app
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2371. # [19:48] <@bz> louisremi: try the one I suggested
2372. # [19:48] <@bz> louisremi: if you really do want just the one rotate3d we can get there too
2373. # [19:49] <@bz> louisremi: but it seems simpler to do the three separate rotations
2374. # [19:49] <louisremi> bz: I'm trying
2375. # [19:49] <@bz> oh
2376. # [19:49] <@bz> there's one more thing, possibly
2377. # [19:50] <edmorley> khuey: tracking-esr10:? & status-esr:affected aiui
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2379. # [19:50] <sfink> Can we cheat and add axis/angle accessors to our devicemotion event? Euler angles just seem wrong, like when you're holding your phone up at an angle and tilting left/right. That's a simple rotation, and shouldn't cause various values to skew around strangely.
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2381. # [19:50] <@bz> there's the complication of web page coord systems
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2383. # [19:50] <@bz> how do you want the alpha=beta=gamma=0 case to look
2384. # [19:50] <@bz> ?
2385. # [19:50] <@khuey> edmorley: seems suboptimal
2386. # [19:50] * @khuey does that
2387. # [19:51] <@ehsan> jdm: I don't think we want that
2388. # [19:51] <@bz> sfink: propose a spec change? I'm all for that
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2390. # [19:51] <louisremi> bz: I want to see the image to look as if no transform was applied
2391. # [19:51] <@ehsan> jdm: one thing that I want to do is to break the existing service
2392. # [19:51] <@ehsan> so that any code that depends on it breaks explicitly
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2394. # [19:52] <@bz> louisremi: yes, but....
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2396. # [19:52] <@bz> louisremi: how does that look?
2397. # [19:52] <@bz> louisremi: phone screen facing you?
2398. # [19:52] <sfink> Actually, I don't think I'm making any sense. The devicemotion is giving rotation from a canonical orientation, so you'd still have to do math to see the simple rotation between two points in time.
2399. # [19:52] <@bz> louisremi: top of phone pointing up on the monitor?
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2401. # [19:52] <louisremi> bz: yes
2402. # [19:53] <@bz> louisremi: ok. So your phone's z-axis is the browser's z-axis
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2404. # [19:53] <louisremi> yes
2405. # [19:53] <@bz> louisremi: your phone's x-axis is the browser's x-axis
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2407. # [19:53] <@bz> louisremi: and your phone's y-axis is negative the browser's y-axis
2408. # [19:53] <@bz> (yes, browsers use a left-handed coord system)
2409. # [19:54] <@bz> furthermore, rotateX/Y/Z do clockwise rotations
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2414. # [19:54] <jdm> ehsan: ok. what do you think of some kind of notification when the last private docshell in existence dies/becomes public? I'm having trouble coming up with any other way of determining when to clean up private information before application shutdown, which I feel might be desirable.
2415. # [19:55] <@bz> which I believe means clockwise around the vector that points in the direction opposite the axis
2416. # [19:55] <@bz> (yes, the spec sucks on this)
2417. # [19:55] <@bz> so what you really want is...
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2424. # [19:56] <@bz> rotateZ(-1*alpha) rotateX(-1*beta) rotateY(gamma)
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2427. # [19:56] <@bz> assuming that I'm not confused about how the crap in the CSS spec maps to what browsers actually implement
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2429. # [19:56] <sfink> there'd better be some sample code in MDN coming out of this...
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2431. # [19:56] <@bz> well
2432. # [19:57] <@bz> this is a very specific use case
2433. # [19:57] <@bz> but yes, sure
2434. # [19:57] <louisremi> sfink: sure
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2437. # [19:59] <sfink> Yeah, I suppose a marble-rolling game wouldn't need quite the same thing.
2438. # [19:59] <@ehsan> jdm: we can have such a notification for internal impl purposes
2439. # [19:59] <@bz> right
2440. # [19:59] <@ehsan> jdm: what I object to is for that to be called "private-browsing" which has existing semantics
2441. # [19:59] <jlebar> If I want to output some data from C++ into a reftest log on tinderbox, should I use printf, fprintf(stderr), or something else?
2442. # [19:59] <@bz> well, actually it would
2443. # [19:59] <@bz> or not
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2445. # [19:59] <@bz> depending on what it's doing
2446. # [20:00] <jdm> ehsan: ok.
2447. # [20:00] <Wes> Besides doing the math from canonical orientation to transform, you also need to force a style recomputation, otherwise you won't know what the delta actually should be due to style change aggregation
2448. # [20:00] <@bz> the key thing to keep in mind when doing all this stuff is that you have to be very clear on exactly what you're trying to do
2449. # [20:00] <edmorley> khuey: heh thank you :-)
2450. # [20:00] <@bz> and on whether you want to transform vectors or coordinate systems
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2452. # [20:01] <@ehsan> jdm: does that sounds sane to you?
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2455. # [20:01] <jdm> ehsan: yes, I think so. when you say internal, do you mean that the notification wouldn't be documented for addons to use?
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2458. # [20:02] <@ehsan> jdm: precisely (and I would like it to be called "fydjgudyg86fdgsvu" too ;)
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2468. # [20:06] <louisremi> Ok, it's 8pm here, I've got to leave. Thank you gentlemen
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2530. # [20:24] <jlebar> bsmedberg++
2531. # [20:24] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: ?
2532. # [20:24] <jlebar> bsmedberg, For the e-mail about metrics ping.
2533. # [20:25] <@bsmedberg> oh yeah
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2535. # [20:25] <@dolske> ?
2536. # [20:25] <@bsmedberg> I hate what that thread is going to turn into, but I don't think there's another way.
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2538. # [20:25] <@khuey> heh
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2540. # [20:26] <jlebar> dolske, https://groups.google.com/d/topic/mozilla.dev.planning/6q4kvRTAcow/discussion
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2542. # [20:26] <@dolske> oh, I read through NNTP so "email" always confuses me. :)
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2546. # [20:27] <jlebar> :)
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2562. # [20:37] <beltzner> bsmedberg: I confess, with your recent dev-planning post I'm having trouble understanding if you're asking specific questions, or just want to get other peoples' reactions, or?
2563. # [20:38] <@bsmedberg> beltzner: ugh, I tried to summarize near the end, but maybe that's not clear: "At this point I think we'd be better off either collecting only the data which cannot be used to track individual installs, or not implementing this feature at all."
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2571. # [20:40] <beltzner> bsmedberg: ah, OK
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2574. # [20:43] <@khuey> firebot: uuid
2575. # [20:43] <firebot> 01e43e22-fd84-4cf5-a7e3-77e2ef883a39 (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
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2590. # [20:51] <@smaug> bug 718066 is so depressing that it is certainly better to not CC to it
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2592. # [20:52] <jdm> is there anything like NS_NewRunnableMethod for non-methods
2593. # [20:52] <jdm> just static functions?
2594. # [20:52] <@bsmedberg> jdm: no, but it wouldn't be hard
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2596. # [20:52] <@bsmedberg> but also in general not very useful, unless you also passed parameters
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2598. # [20:53] <@bsmedberg> and passing parameters via templates is complicated enough that I basically WONTFIXed it
2599. # [20:53] <jdm> oh yeah, I remember both of those bugs
2600. # [20:53] <@khuey> mmm
2601. # [20:53] <@khuey> sure would have been nice though
2602. # [20:53] <@khuey> too bad C++ is hard
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2608. # [20:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3488a35dc829 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 721769: BrowserToolbar's edit-field should expand when stop/site-security is not shown. [r=mfinkle]
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2614. # [20:58] <@bsmedberg> bbondy: ping
2615. # [20:58] <bbondy> bsmedberg: hi
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2618. # [20:59] <@bsmedberg> bbondy: where is nsLocalFileWin::Resolve?
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2621. # [20:59] <bbondy> should be in one of the patches I have you marked for review for, sek let me check
2622. # [20:59] <@bsmedberg> oh, maybe I'm reviewing them out-of-order
2623. # [20:59] <bbondy> I think so
2624. # [20:59] <@bsmedberg> I was looking at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=594394&action=edit
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2628. # [21:00] <@bsmedberg> ah, I see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=594390&action=edit adds it
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2630. # [21:00] <bbondy> bsmedberg: You want bug 724203
2631. # [21:00] <bbondy> ya
2632. # [21:00] <@bsmedberg> this is vaguely scary, I probably can't get to it today
2633. # [21:00] <bbondy> np, no rush.
2634. # [21:01] <mbrubeck> Once again, Nightly is using >100% CPU because of something to do with a TBPL tab... (and no, i didn't hover over a mega-push to Aurora or Beta)
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2637. # [21:02] <@smaug> mbrubeck: are you sure it is tbpl ?
2638. # [21:02] <@smaug> mbrubeck: and not networking
2639. # [21:02] <dholbert> wha... I rebooted to update nightly, and I got a bunch of "about:newaddon" pages for all of my installed addons
2640. # [21:02] <mbrubeck> smaug: I don't know *exactly* what it is, but it stops when I close my TBPL tab.
2641. # [21:03] <dholbert> er s/rebooted/browser-restarted/
2642. # [21:03] <philor> I get the feeling it's tbpl's networking, but I'm not sure
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2644. # [21:03] <@smaug> there is Bug 710176
2645. # [21:03] <@smaug> but tbpl problem doesn't sound like that
2646. # [21:04] <philor> the way that I have other tabs spinning, trying to do networking stuff like submit a bug or load a page, which instantly happen when I close the tbpl tab, smells a bit like networking
2647. # [21:04] <mbrubeck> smaug: Yeah, the last times seemed to start around when I tried to submit a comment and retrigger a build
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2649. # [21:04] <lurking_work> I've seen tbpl do that - eat cpu - I'm wondering if its a connection issue when things get slow and some javascript is hung in an incomplete loop or something
2650. # [21:04] <mbrubeck> and those requests just hung until I closed the tab and re-opened it
2651. # [21:05] <mbrubeck> Maybe I'm seeing this on TBPL recently because of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722061
2652. # [21:05] <mbrubeck> ?
2653. # [21:05] <@smaug> has the UI stayed responsive ?
2654. # [21:05] <mbrubeck> smaug: Yes, UI is responsive.
2655. # [21:05] <lurking_work> yes
2656. # [21:05] <mbrubeck> I only noticed the CPU usage because my laptop fan went crazy.
2657. # [21:05] <mbrubeck> This has happened about 3 times in the past week.
2658. # [21:05] <@smaug> then it could be some variant of Bug 710176
2659. # [21:05] <philor> only 3 times? lucky!
2660. # [21:05] <@smaug> but better to ask bsmith
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2663. # [21:06] <mbrubeck> I was out of the house most of the weekend, philor. :)
2664. # [21:06] <philor> nice
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2676. # [21:08] <philor> Ms2ger: what regex were you talking about, when I wasn't really here but my bouncer is dumb about reconnects while I'm away?
2677. # [21:09] <Ms2ger> I think we figured it out
2678. # [21:09] <philor> cool
2679. # [21:09] <mak> and bug 712741
2680. # [21:09] <mak> that doesn't cause cpu peg though
2681. # [21:10] <mak> but I constantly hit it when mozilla network is down/slow
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2684. # [21:10] <philor> I've gotten so conditioned to closing tbpl when I hear the fan that I just started a build with the patch from 710176, and as the build spun up the fan I reached for the close tab button
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2698. # [21:14] <justdave> so, I'm on a vendor website attempting to file a trouble ticket, and while typing in a text box on their form, Aurora hangs at nsContentEventHandler::OnQuerySelectedText(nsQueryContentEvent*) (in XUL) + 73
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2720. # [21:19] <KaiRo> justdave: sounds like a bug should be filed
2721. # [21:19] <@bsmedberg> josh: pong
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2726. # [21:19] <smontagu> jprof crashy :(
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2729. # [21:20] <beltzner> bsmedberg: replied, hopefully in ways that help
2730. # [21:20] <@bsmedberg> yay
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2735. # [21:23] <justdave> KaiRo: amusingly enough exactly the same bug prevents me from using the guided bug entry form :|
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2737. # [21:24] <KaiRo> justdave: ouch
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2745. # [21:26] * @bsmedberg needs better intenet
2746. # [21:26] <@bsmedberg> internet
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2748. # [21:26] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, me too!
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2752. # [21:26] <Ms2ger> Maybe it would help if I wasn't on the one open wifi in the area
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2754. # [21:27] <justdave> huh, and I get the same hang trying to type in the search box in the saved passwords dialog
2755. # [21:28] <KaiRo> wow
2756. # [21:28] <justdave> which kinda screws me from using Safari to file it since I don't remember my password
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2758. # [21:29] <@smaug> justdave: can you get stack trace for the hang?
2759. # [21:29] <justdave> the code in question is querying the contents of a text box
2760. # [21:29] <justdave> smaug: yeah, I have a process sample from Activity Monitor
2761. # [21:29] <@smaug> justdave: please file a bug and attach the stack there
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2764. # [21:29] <Ms2ger> jdm, I guess that's going to be somewhat annoying if we suggest people pick their pet peeves as first bug
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2766. # [21:29] <justdave> smaug: I can't, see above
2767. # [21:29] <@smaug> justdave: are you using some kind of IME
2768. # [21:29] <justdave> the bug prevents me from using Bugzilla. :)
2769. # [21:30] <mcsmurf> blocker!
2770. # [21:30] <Ms2ger> dogfood!
2771. # [21:30] <justdave> the duplicate detection stuff queries the summary field
2772. # [21:30] <@smaug> justdave: could you pastebin the stack?
2773. # [21:30] <justdave> and querying the field makes it hang
2774. # [21:30] <jdm> Ms2ger: context?
2775. # [21:31] <glob|away> justdave, disable javascript
2776. # [21:31] <justdave> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1477334
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2778. # [21:32] <aja> jQ?
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2785. # [21:34] <aja> its caused me hangs in bugzilla occasionally recently
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2792. # [21:35] <justdave> and I can't reproduce in safe mode
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2794. # [21:36] <justdave> so much be some extension doing it.
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2796. # [21:36] * justdave guesses GreaseMonkey to be the most likely candidate and disables that
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2805. # [21:39] <justdave> nope, not greasemonkey, can still reproduce without GM
2806. # [21:39] <@smaug> justdave: aja: hmm, could be a regression from Bug 682611
2807. # [21:41] <smontagu> --ensable-debug: invalid option
2808. # [21:41] <smontagu> what happened to DWIM?
2809. # [21:41] <jhammel> smontagu: i assume you want to make the debug sable?
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2811. # [21:41] <smontagu> stable
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2814. # [21:41] <jhammel> ah, well that's probably why its ambiguous
2815. # [21:42] <smontagu> i really just want to know where i'm crashing
2816. # [21:42] <jhammel> --wth-am-i-crashing
2817. # [21:42] <aja> dunno..think i fisrt noticef a few days before b6
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2819. # [21:43] <jdm> gerv: ping
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2823. # [21:43] <jdm> actually cancel ping, I might be leaving shortly
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2825. # [21:43] <jdm> gerv: the bugzilla rest api seems to be broken again - http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/ doesn't finish any requests
2826. # [21:44] <philor> tbpl agrees
2827. # [21:44] <jhammel> :(
2828. # [21:44] <jhammel> does that mean a day off?
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2831. # [21:45] <philor> no, it generally means business as usual
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2833. # [21:45] <justdave> ok, removing NoScript didn't fix it
2834. # [21:45] <philor> it's actually been several months since unstarred failure slowed anyone at all down in the least
2835. # [21:45] <justdave> only other addon I have that I suspect would touch a text field is Form History, but that was already disabled
2836. # [21:46] * philor snickers at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora&onlyunstarred=1
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2839. # [21:47] <philor> I'm going to go ahead and remove all that talk about the tree rules in all the tree statuses, okay?
2840. # [21:47] <philor> there are none, it's silly to pretend that there are
2841. # [21:47] <bbondy> taras: Do you know if someone is doing the 'cache getting cleared when shutdown is not clean' task?
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2846. # [21:48] <nemo> philor: that sounds so sad and defeatist :(
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2848. # [21:49] <philor> nemo: can't defeat the tide
2849. # [21:49] <edmorley> nemo, meet philor :-)
2850. # [21:50] <edmorley> (only slightly serious, obviously ;-))
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2857. # [21:52] <edmorley> on the plus side, a7ea6d49bc69 should improve things somewhat on the orange front \o/
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2863. # [21:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b077059c575a - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 724283 - Building with NSIS 2.33u restricts installation on all service packs of Windows XP. r=rstrong
2864. # [21:54] <josh> bsmedberg: the problem with test_pluginstream_src_dynamic looks like a gecko bug to me, nsCSSFrameConstructor is not making a frame because the DOM node has state NS_EVENT_STATE_BROKEN
2865. # [21:54] <@bsmedberg> josh: heh, I don't even really know what that means
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2868. # [21:54] * philor points to exhibit A
2869. # [21:55] <justdave> oh, whadayaknow, I can reproduce it in safe mode, it just takes longer
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2871. # [21:55] <josh> I think this is just our bug, where the nsObjectLoadingContent state is not set properly and we fail to create an object frame. This bug exists now but we don't see it because we're currently incorrectly allowing that instance to instantiate without an object frame.
2872. # [21:55] <justdave> (have to type 100 or so characters instead of 10 or 15)
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2877. # [21:56] <josh> bsmedberg: I think it might be good to take the patch for bug 723379 and disable the test while I figure out why we're not creating an object frame. The latter bug isn't causing problems for anyone, just that test failure. The bug the patch fixes is really annoying.
2878. # [21:57] <@bsmedberg> josh: what's the symptom of the test failure?
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2880. # [21:57] <@bsmedberg> that was "the pandora-working test"
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2882. # [21:58] <josh> this is a different bug, the pandora issues were a dual stream and not sending NPP_SetWindow early enough
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2884. # [21:59] <josh> the symptom is that if you don't allow the instance in that test to instantiate without an object frame, it'll never instantiate and the test just hangs waiting for the stream delivery callback
2885. # [21:59] <@bsmedberg> ok
2886. # [21:59] <@bsmedberg> hrm
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2888. # [21:59] <josh> that test only showed the dual stream problem, iirc, so it wasn't the "real" pandora issue with NPP_SetWindow anyway
2889. # [21:59] <philor> the last push to beta was on top of 15 unstarred failures, every single push to aurora since the first nightlies ran after the last uplift has been on unstarred red, there's just absolutely no way to argue that we pay even the slightest attention to the tree rules anymore, or that there is any point in having them
2890. # [21:59] <@bsmedberg> oh yeah
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2896. # [22:01] <josh> bsmedberg: I'm going to continue to debug the frame construction problem today. I'd only want to land with the test disabled to get a fix into the next nightly if that's what it takes.
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2907. # [22:05] <gavin> philor: I see red on android on aurora on mfinkle's second to last push, but I don't see red before that
2908. # [22:06] <philor> gavin: that's the magic of pushing a lot, you can push failures off the bottom of the page :)
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2911. # [22:06] <philor> the Mac mobile desktop nightly is *bogus* red, but it's unstarred red nonetheless
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2913. # [22:07] <@khuey> bz: I reproduced the error
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2917. # [22:08] <gavin> philor: where do you see "Mac mobile desktop nightly"?
2918. # [22:08] <mfinkle> backing out a bad patch from aurora
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2923. # [22:10] <philor> gavin: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora&rev=9fb0c06ceb49 https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora&rev=63278b4cbe87 https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora&rev=7d6a23398033 https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora&rev=5588d4b9d379
2924. # [22:10] <philor> Nm, OS X opt row
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2930. # [22:11] <philor> or https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora&onlyunstarred=1 and hit the down arrow at the bottom once
2931. # [22:11] <gavin> what's bogus about it
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2933. # [22:11] <philor> we don't give a rats ass that we broke it, because it's android-xul and we don't care anymore
2934. # [22:11] <gavin> "SDK not found"
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2936. # [22:12] <gavin> so it's actually broken?
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2939. # [22:12] <gavin> AFAIK we shipped android xul last week
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2943. # [22:12] <philor> all those purple Win xpcshells, though, those are both real and unfiled...
2944. # [22:13] <gavin> if we don't care about mac builds we should just disable them...
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2946. # [22:13] <philor> we have two competing bugs on disabling desktop mobile nightlies
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2948. # [22:13] <jhammel> gavin++
2949. # [22:14] <gavin> mfinkle, blassey: you guys should stop landing on aurora/beta over unstarred failures
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2951. # [22:15] <blassey> gavin: didn't see them when I looked
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2953. # [22:15] <blassey> appologies
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2956. # [22:15] <blassey> there was a long time between looking and pushing
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2960. # [22:16] <mfinkle> i'll start starring
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2962. # [22:16] <mfinkle> cripes, tbpl is taking forever to get a summary
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2964. # [22:16] <gavin> yeah I noticed it's been slow lately :(
2965. # [22:17] <nthomas> which file is it hanging on ?
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2969. # [22:19] <philor> "bugzilla"
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2972. # [22:20] <philor> you can see that that's the problem by picking a leak, where we don't try to hit bugzilla at all
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2975. # [22:21] <Ms2ger> philor, btw, does win64 really not run tests?
2976. # [22:21] <philor> Ms2ger: I think it runs tests hidden, on m-c only
2977. # [22:21] <Ms2ger> Aha
2978. # [22:21] <philor> last time I looked, anyway
2979. # [22:22] <Ms2ger> That's why I didn't see them on mi, then
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2981. # [22:22] <philor> yeah, and opt but not pgo, apparently
2982. # [22:22] <Ms2ger> Indeed
2983. # [22:22] <edmorley> they're surprisingly green actually
2984. # [22:23] <edmorley> for hidden tests
2985. # [22:23] <Ms2ger> edmorley, unlike the win64 pgo build on the penultimate mc push :)
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2987. # [22:24] <philor> that one's one of my favorite incomprehensible win64 failures
2988. # [22:25] <Ms2ger> Hide it, kill it
2989. # [22:25] <philor> *** Fix above errors
2990. # [22:25] <Ms2ger> armenzg, did you get a bug filed for win64?
2991. # [22:25] <philor> Breakpad tools do not support compiling on WINNT while targeting WINNT
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2993. # [22:26] <@khuey> bbondy: ping?
2994. # [22:26] <Ms2ger> And thanks, ehsan!
2995. # [22:26] <bbondy> khuey: hi
2996. # [22:26] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: thank you!
2997. # [22:26] <@khuey> bbondy: hello
2998. # [22:26] <@khuey> bbondy: why does 711139 need a configure option?
2999. # [22:27] <bbondy> khuey: not all products will use mar signing also some people package their own update MARs that don't want to sign them
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3001. # [22:27] <@khuey> bbondy: people package their own update MARs for firefox?
3002. # [22:28] <bbondy> khuey: I think some people run their own AUS
3003. # [22:28] <mcsmurf> maybe companies
3004. # [22:28] <mcsmurf> with their own prefs
3005. # [22:28] <@khuey> bbondy: ok
3006. # [22:29] <mcsmurf> though, they probably use another update mechanism anyway
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3011. # [22:30] <bbondy> khuey: so basically it's in anticipation to give a work around for all of these security tasks around MARs potentially breaking updates for special circumstances.
3012. # [22:30] <@khuey> right
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3015. # [22:31] <bent> bbondy, XULRunner apps that have updates will need a non-signing path, for sure
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3018. # [22:32] <@khuey> bent: sure, but XULRunner apps could use confvars.sh
3019. # [22:32] <@khuey> rather than an actual configure option
3020. # [22:32] <@khuey> anyways, I'm grudgingly convinced that it's necessary
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3022. # [22:34] <gavin> my nightly keeps craashing at startup in nsPluginHost::TrySetUpPluginInstance :(
3023. # [22:35] <Ms2ger> josh, ^
3024. # [22:35] <josh> gavin: Do you have Flashblock installed?
3025. # [22:35] <gavin> yes
3026. # [22:35] <gavin> and I see XBL on the stack...
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3029. # [22:35] <josh> If you disable that you should be fine, hopefully we'll have a fix soon (today?)
3030. # [22:35] <gavin> is that really being tracked in bug 519752?
3031. # [22:36] <gavin> Is ee recent comments, but the bug can't actually be that old...
3032. # [22:36] <josh> gavin: it's being tracked in multiple bugs
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3040. # [22:40] <@roc> jorendorff, humph, ted: where is the gamepad API being discussed?
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3058. # [22:50] <philor> justdave: so, should I sack up and file a server ops bug on bzapi being dead, even though I know it'll be painful?
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3061. # [22:53] <justdave> I would if there isn't one yet, IT probably doesn't know about it
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3063. # [22:54] <jhammel> abict, the request never completes fo bzapi
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3065. # [22:54] <philor> I managed to get one to reset, after 20 minutes
3066. # [22:55] <jhammel> heh
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3068. # [22:55] <jhammel> i haven't waited that long
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3071. # [22:56] <philor> I so don't want to have to file this
3072. # [22:56] <jhammel> if glob|away wasn't away or dkl was around....i would ping them
3073. # [22:56] <jhammel> ...but they're not :(
3074. # [22:56] <gavin> why will it be painful
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3076. # [22:56] <philor> oh, wait, I'm a volunteer, I don't have to do anything I don't want to!
3077. # [22:56] <jhammel> heh
3078. # [22:56] <@khuey> :-D
3079. # [22:57] <philor> gavin: go ahead and cc me when you file it, I'll point out the painful bits
3080. # [22:57] <gavin> can you give me some basic info for filing?/
3081. # [22:57] <gavin> I have no idea what the problem is
3082. # [22:57] <jhammel> 'bzapi does not answer requests'
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3085. # [22:57] <gavin> how does one test the bzapi?
3086. # [22:58] <gavin> what host is that one?
3087. # [22:58] <jhammel> gavin: i use http://k0s.org/mozilla/bzconsole
3088. # [22:58] <gavin> 404
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3090. # [22:58] <philor> https://api-dev.bugzilla.mozilla.org/latest/bug?whiteboard=orange&summary=test_fragment_play.html
3091. # [22:58] <jhammel> beh, sorry
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3093. # [22:58] <jhammel> http://k0s.org/mozilla/hg/bzconsole
3094. # [22:58] <philor> would be the URI that tbpl requests
3095. # [22:58] <jhammel> gavin: but you can make any HTTP request and you will get connection reset by peer
3096. # [22:59] <jhammel> well, any HTTP request that the bzapi supports, anyway
3097. # [22:59] <jwir3> ehsan: ping?
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3099. # [23:00] <@ehsan> jwir3: hi
3100. # [23:00] <gavin> filed bug 724671
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3102. # [23:00] <jhammel> gavin: it is evidently on api-dev.bugzilla.mozilla.org
3103. # [23:01] <jhammel> or if that's not what i'm supposed to be requesting from then i'm doing it wrong
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3105. # [23:01] <jhammel> gavin: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:REST_API
3106. # [23:02] <jwir3> ehsan: Switched to pm since I was looking to discuss an sg bug :)
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3121. # [23:09] <gavin> philor: that wasn't so painful :)
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3123. # [23:09] <philor> some people are lucky that way ;)
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3127. # [23:13] <mak> Standard8: ping
3128. # [23:13] <Standard8> mak: pong
3129. # [23:13] <mak> Standard8: do you have any idea which autocomplete field caused bug 438861?
3130. # [23:14] <mak> Standard8: I have some suspect that fix is wrong
3131. # [23:14] <mak> but I need to check the ac code
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3133. # [23:14] <gaston> yay somewhat fixed build on !ENABLE_YARR_JIT platforms, at least i have m-c running on openbsd/ppc
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3135. # [23:15] <mak> Standard8: and yes, I had to go back to patches from 2008 to figure out what autocomplete controller is actually trying to do :)
3136. # [23:16] <Standard8> mak: yeah, not sure I can remember that, I suspect it was just something we found whilst trying to get thunderbird autocomplete to work with the toolkit autocomplete api
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3138. # [23:16] <mak> Standard8: do you still have that autocomplete in current thunderbird?
3139. # [23:16] <Standard8> mak: yep
3140. # [23:17] <Standard8> we still use xpfe, but we're hopefully moving to toolkit at some stage...
3141. # [23:17] <mak> Standard8: the fact is that likely the search was not passing _ONGOING correctly, and instead of fixing the search this fix made the controller support wrong searches... at least at first glance
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3143. # [23:18] <edmorley> gaston: nice :-)
3144. # [23:20] <gaston> edmorley: now, to get it commited... #691898 if you're bored :)
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3146. # [23:20] <Standard8> mak: but this wasn't for ongoing, this was for a completed search
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3150. # [23:26] <edmorley> gaston: it's still awaiting review, unless I'm missing something? :-)
3151. # [23:26] <gaston> yes, but it's "unfinished", wrt regexp syntax checking, which is far beyond my skills :)
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3156. # [23:27] <gaston> unfinished as "worksforme but probably not acceptable as-is" ....
3157. # [23:27] <edmorley> ah
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3161. # [23:28] <mak> Standard8: well, processResult if no result is "_ongoing" clears the results cache :/ btw still trying to figure out the whole picture...
3162. # [23:30] <gavin> mak: have you decided oyu'd like to rewrite autocomplete yet? :)
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3164. # [23:30] <mak> gavin: hm, nope!
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3172. # [23:34] <jtcranmer> I've got lots of things that need to be rewritten if you ned help :-P
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3197. # [23:47] <@bz> Ms2ger: ping?
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3200. # [23:52] <Cww> mccr8: Bad news, I'm already getting a few 1s GCs
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3203. # [23:52] <RyanVM> dholbert or bz: ping
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3205. # [23:52] <mccr8> Cww: Ah that's too bad. Let me know when you have a few minutes and I can stop by.
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3208. # [23:53] <Cww> mccr8: should I reload gmail first?
3209. # [23:53] <mccr8> Cww: nah, just leave it as is.
3210. # [23:53] <mccr8> if you can stand it. ;)
3211. # [23:53] <Cww> ok, I'll walk over there.
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3228. # [23:57] <philor> mmm, britestarangie@aol.com finally found a place to file its crash bugs where people can't throw them into Fx: Untriaged
3229. # [23:57] <philor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724690
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3231. # [23:58] <njn> is setting the |className| of an <html> element valid? It seems to work in Firefox
3232. # [23:58] <darktrojan> should be
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3234. # [23:58] <dholbert> RyanVM: pong but it looks like I missed you
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3240. # [23:59] <dholbert> RyanVM: pong
3241. # [23:59] <njn> darktrojan: it's easy to set it on the <body> instead, I'll do that, it's less surprising. Thanks!
3242. # [23:59] <RyanVM> dholbert: I have a policy question with respect to bug 478834
3243. # [23:59] * jhford-work-away is now known as jhford-work
3244. # [23:59] <dholbert> sure
3245. # Session Close: Tue Feb 07 00:00:00 2012

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