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- # Session Start: Sun Feb 12 00:00:00 2012
- # Session Ident: #developers
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- # [00:11] <protz> which channel is native fennec already ?
- # [00:12] <protz> is it beta or aurora that has it?
- # [00:13] <Archaeopteryx> aurora
- # [00:13] <protz> ok thanks
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- # [00:54] <gaston> woot all green on http://buildbot.rhaalovely.net/builders/mozilla-central-sparc64/builds/281 with only 3 patches
- # [00:55] <gaston> macppc still running..
- # [00:55] <jduell> biesi: you still there?
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- # [01:25] <edmorley> gaston: nice :-)
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- # [01:30] <@smaug> what on earth is https://www.pivotaltracker.com/
- # [01:30] <@smaug> and why is Mozilla using that for anything
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- # [01:36] <jdm> smaug: because we don't use enough unique tools and services
- # [01:36] <jdm> we need to branch out and diversify
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- # [01:37] <jdm> it's too dangerous to rely on one issue tracker
- # [01:37] <@smaug> sure, right
- # [01:37] * @smaug kicks someone
- # [01:37] <nigelb> that explaisn why we use 4 version control systems.
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- # [01:38] <@khuey> smaug: from the web apps addon leaks bug?
- # [01:38] <@smaug> in general we have great tools, and yet some want to use worse external tools :/
- # [01:38] <@smaug> khuey: yeah
- # [01:38] * @khuey was wondering the same thing
- # [01:39] <@smaug> khuey: I sent email to jason to ask why he is using that external tool
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- # [01:39] <@khuey> smaug: cool
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- # [01:41] * @smaug has the feeling MozLabs devs aren't really aware of all the tools we have and how to use them
- # [01:42] * @khuey is going to do the "if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all" thing here
- # [01:43] <@smaug> :)
- # [01:43] <@smaug> sorry all
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- # [01:44] <@khuey> if I said anything it would be quite a long rant ;-)
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- # [01:52] <timA> my m-c is failing to link when I enable tests... is this likely a local configuration issue?
- # [01:54] <timA> TestPlainTextSerializer.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol __imp_JS_Assert referenced in function "public: __cdecl ScopedXPCOM::~ScopedXPCOM(void)"
- # [01:56] <timA> from what I can tell, __imp_JS_Assert became a dependency for TestPlainTextSerializer in this changeset: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/38b4039f740e
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- # [01:57] * lurking wonders if khuey found an apartment or is still sleeping on his 'intern-cot' in MV HQ
- # [01:57] <timA> khuey's been sleeping at the office?
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- # [01:58] <lurking> I dunno, just asking - teasing
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- # [01:58] <@khuey> lurking: I have temporary housing until 3/5
- # [01:59] <@khuey> lurking: and I found a place I can move into on 3/1
- # [01:59] <@khuey> so no sleeping in the office for me!
- # [01:59] <lurking> ooh, nice !
- # [01:59] <lurking> :)
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- # [02:09] <NeilAway> timA|away: you need to include the JS libs in your link, I normally cargo-cult the invocation from another Makefile, but maybe khuey can tell you the right syntax
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- # [02:14] <@dolske> smaug: how did this pivotaltracker thing come up?
- # [02:17] <@smaug> dolske: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715382#c3
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- # [02:41] <timA> NeilAway: thanks! so I'm guessing that since I'm building m-c, the Makefile should already be set up to link in the JS libs?
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- # [03:51] <sysKin> o/
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- # [03:52] <sysKin> you know how firewfox has config switches network.http.pipelining.ssl and network.http.pipelining? should the non-ssl switch affect https traffic? because it does
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- # [05:28] <ewong> bug #329292 added a safe-browsing extension for evaluation.. looking at the current tree, I don't see the extension.. has the code been folded into the m-c proper?
- # [05:29] <Mossop> Anyone around that understands the indexedDB API?
- # [05:29] <ewong> if so, how do I trace it from evaluation to being folded into m-c proper?
- # [05:29] <Mossop> ewong: It got folded in and since rewritten at least twice some time ago
- # [05:30] <ewong> Mossop oh.. twice? how do I find trace out the changes? the first mention was in the CVS-era..
- # [05:31] <@khuey> Mossop: hi
- # [05:32] <Mossop> ewong: I suggest searching the tree for safebrowsing and url-classifier
- # [05:32] <ewong> Mossop: ok. thanks
- # [05:32] <Mossop> khuey: Transactions are confusing me, how do they know when to commit?
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- # [05:33] <@khuey> Mossop: they commit automatically
- # [05:33] <Mossop> When?
- # [05:33] <@khuey> Mossop: when your script finishes executing after the last request completes
- # [05:34] <darktrojan> khuey, you may wish to repeat this question https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709448#c7
- # [05:34] <Mossop> How does it know when I've started my last request?
- # [05:34] <@khuey> Mossop: you can only start a request while there are outstanding requests running
- # [05:34] <@khuey> Mossop: or you in are in the onfinish handler for the last request
- # [05:35] <@khuey> after that, you can't start any more requests against that transaction, and it commits
- # [05:35] <Mossop> Oh. Well that sucks
- # [05:35] <@khuey> Mossop: and by onfinish, I mean onsuccess, of course
- # [05:35] <@khuey> darktrojan: hmm?
- # [05:36] <@khuey> Mossop: what is the problem?
- # [05:37] <Mossop> khuey: It takes me multiple XHR requests to retrieve the data that I want to insert into the db but from what you're saying I have to wait till all the requests complete before opening a transaction to insert all the data at once
- # [05:37] <@khuey> Mossop: if you want that data to be inserted atomically, yes
- # [05:37] <Mossop> Hrm. I need to rethink this app
- # [05:38] <Mossop> khuey: Thanks
- # [05:38] <@khuey> Mossop: sure, np
- # [05:38] <@khuey> darktrojan: is it ready to land?
- # [05:38] <darktrojan> I think so
- # [05:39] <darktrojan> I haven't really been reading that bug but I fixed the bitrot
- # [05:39] * Mossop really wishes he could spend more than an hour at a time working on this
- # [05:39] <@khuey> do you have commit accsess?
- # [05:39] <darktrojan> khuey, should I just land it?
- # [05:40] <darktrojan> I'm assuming you wanted it landed asap which is why you asked if it could land
- # [05:40] <@khuey> darktrojan: yeah, it's breaking one of google's properties
- # [05:40] <@khuey> darktrojan: if it's ready to go landing it would be appreciated :-)
- # [05:40] <darktrojan> okay, since I'm not doing anything
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- # [06:02] <krit> mattwoodrow: ping
- # [06:02] <mattwoodrow> krit: pong
- # [06:02] <krit> hi mattwoodrow
- # [06:03] <krit> mattwoodrow: I have a question to FFs 4x4 CSSMatrix implementation
- # [06:03] <krit> mattwoodrow: Normally a 3x2 matrix looks like follows transformed to a 3x3 matrix:
- # [06:03] <mattwoodrow> krit: We don't implement the CSSMatrix interface at all currently
- # [06:04] <krit> mattwoodrow: but the backwend to support the 3D transformation functions, correct?
- # [06:04] <krit> mattwoodrow: So you have something like a internal 4x4 matrix implementation
- # [06:04] <mattwoodrow> krit: indeed
- # [06:05] <krit> mattwoodrow: ok, to the 3x3 matrix:
- # [06:05] <krit> a c e
- # [06:05] <krit> b d f
- # [06:05] <krit> 0 0 1
- # [06:05] <mattwoodrow> yep
- # [06:05] <krit> when we transform it to 4x4 in Webkit, it will look like:
- # [06:05] <krit> a b 0 0
- # [06:05] <krit> c d 0 0
- # [06:05] <krit> 0 0 1 0
- # [06:05] <krit> e f 0 1
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- # [06:06] <krit> mattwoodrow: the same for your implementation?
- # [06:06] <mattwoodrow> krit: yes
- # [06:06] <mattwoodrow> (except you transposed the matrix there)
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- # [06:06] <krit> mattwoodrow: aha, that is the point!
- # [06:07] <krit> mattwoodrow: how does a matrix3d(..) look like for you?
- # [06:07] <krit> m11 & m21 & m31 & m41 \\
- # [06:07] <krit> m12 & m22 & m32 & m42 \\
- # [06:07] <krit> m13 & m23 & m33 & m43 \\
- # [06:07] <krit> m14 & m24 & m34 & m44
- # [06:07] <krit> ?
- # [06:07] <mattwoodrow> no, the transpose of that
- # [06:08] <mattwoodrow> m11, m12, m13, m14
- # [06:08] <mattwoodrow> m21.. etc
- # [06:08] <mattwoodrow> where m41, m42 are the 'translation' components
- # [06:08] <krit> mattwoodrow: ok, the problem is, it looks the same for us!
- # [06:08] <mattwoodrow> what is the actual problem here?
- # [06:08] <krit> mattwoodrow: that can't work if we use the transpsoe for calculations
- # [06:09] <krit> If it looks like
- # [06:09] <krit> m11 & m21 & m31 & m41 \\
- # [06:09] <krit> m12 & m22 & m32 & m42 \\
- # [06:09] <krit> m13 & m23 & m33 & m43 \\
- # [06:09] <krit> m14 & m24 & m34 & m44
- # [06:09] <krit> for both of us
- # [06:09] <mattwoodrow> why not?
- # [06:09] <krit> but webkit uses the transpose for calculations, shouldn't there be a problem?
- # [06:10] <mattwoodrow> as I said, I believe ours is the transpose of the layout you just said
- # [06:11] <krit> do you have experience with matrix3d? I mean with examples? I wouldn't be surprised if it looks different to webkit
- # [06:11] <mattwoodrow> Yes, we have tests for it
- # [06:11] <mattwoodrow> AryehGregor is writing more at the moment too
- # [06:12] <mattwoodrow> we get the same behavior as webkit for everything tested so far
- # [06:12] <krit> mattwoodrow: ok, thanks. Then I have to check what we are doing internaly so that the behavior matches
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- # [06:13] <mattwoodrow> krit: The 3d transforms spec defines the matrix orientation used in matrix3d()
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- # [06:15] <krit> mattwoodrow: but just for matrix3d, not in general
- # [06:15] <mattwoodrow> krit: The internal format shouldn't matter
- # [06:15] <mattwoodrow> as long as your matrix operations are all consistant
- # [06:15] <krit> mattwoodrow: that depends
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- # [06:15] <krit> for instance if you do matrix3d() and translate
- # [06:15] <krit> afterwards
- # [06:16] <krit> and don't respect the transpose
- # [06:16] <krit> that is how translate looks like:
- # [06:16] <krit> TransformationMatrix& TransformationMatrix::translate(double tx, double ty)
- # [06:16] <krit> {
- # [06:16] <krit> m_matrix[3][0] += tx * m_matrix[0][0] + ty * m_matrix[1][0];
- # [06:16] <krit> m_matrix[3][1] += tx * m_matrix[0][1] + ty * m_matrix[1][1];
- # [06:16] <krit> m_matrix[3][2] += tx * m_matrix[0][2] + ty * m_matrix[1][2];
- # [06:16] <krit> m_matrix[3][3] += tx * m_matrix[0][3] + ty * m_matrix[1][3];
- # [06:16] <krit> return *this;
- # [06:16] <krit> }
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- # [06:17] <krit> mattwoodrow: sorry
- # [06:18] <krit> mattwoodrow: just two lines:
- # [06:18] <ewong> krit try pastebinning next time :)
- # [06:18] <krit> m_matrix[3][0] += tx * m_matrix[0][0] + ty * m_matrix[1][0];
- # [06:18] <krit> m_matrix[3][1] += tx * m_matrix[0][1] + ty * m_matrix[1][1];
- # [06:18] <krit> ewong: yeah :/
- # [06:19] <krit> mattwoodrow: we use [3][0] for tx [3][1] for ty and [3][2] for tz
- # [06:19] <krit> mattwoodrow: … transposed, but still set matrix3d the same way like you
- # [06:19] <mattwoodrow> krit: No, thats the same as us
- # [06:20] <mattwoodrow> [3][0] is the same as _41
- # [06:20] <mattwoodrow> which is the 'x translation' value
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- # [06:20] <krit> mattwoodrow: ouch, you are right, xy
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- # [06:24] <krit> mattwoodrow: Yes, the sorting of setting the variables in the source confused me. Thanks a lot for your patience.
- # [06:24] <mattwoodrow> krit: Anytime :)
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- # [06:43] <timdream> hi, does anyone know where to ask question about BrowserID?
- # [06:44] <kwierso> timdream: #identity
- # [06:44] <timdream> kwierso: thanks
- # [06:45] <heycam> lsblakk|afk (or anyone), how do I get OS X 10.7 builds and talos runs out of try? I used "try: -b do -p macosx,macosx64 -u none -t paint" but only got OS X debug, OS X64 opt and OS X64 debug builds, and no talos runs
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- # [07:18] <heycam> philor, huh, ok, thanks will try that
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- # [08:10] <biesi> jduell, nope, I wasn't :)
- # [08:10] <jduell> heh
- # [08:10] <jduell> biesi: how well do you know docshell?
- # [08:10] <jduell> (always a dangerous question :)
- # [08:10] <biesi> uh...
- # [08:10] <biesi> I know parts of it reasonably well
- # [08:10] <jduell> biesi: well, here's the issue--maybe you can help
- # [08:11] <biesi> but right now I'm a little drunk
- # [08:11] <jduell> lol
- # [08:11] <jduell> mmmK
- # [08:11] <jduell> Want to continue this another time?
- # [08:11] <jduell> :)
- # [08:11] <biesi> that may be better :)
- # [08:11] <jduell> OK then.
- # [08:11] <jduell> Enjoy!
- # [08:11] <biesi> g'night :)
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- # [08:26] <gaston> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1482839 <- does this link failure rings a bell to anyone ?
- # [08:29] <gaston> that's with rev bf204f3df23b on ppc, and a more updated checkout built fine on amd64/i386
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- # [08:33] <gaston> i cant see anything based on hg log..
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- # [08:39] <gaston> the only thing i can see is that those methods are defined as taking a bool as last arg and they might be used with an int.....
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- # [09:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5f1384f6fea9 - Chris Jones - Bug 721711: Enable DOM full-screen API for b2g. r=gal (npotb)
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- # [09:56] <darktrojan> added 6448 changesets with 41152 changes to 16161 files (+40 heads)
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- # [10:11] <@dolske> that'll teach you to pull hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-tiamat/
- # [10:12] <darktrojan> pull whatnow?
- # [10:14] <@dolske> can't a guy make a D&D reference anymore?! :)
- # [10:14] <darktrojan> not if I can help it
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- # [10:19] <@dolske> :(
- # [10:19] <darktrojan> you're not into LARPing too, are you?
- # [10:22] <@dolske> lightning bolt! lightning bol.... err, no.
- # [10:23] <Callek> lol
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- # [10:25] <darktrojan> that's good, I put up with enough of that rubbish at uni
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- # [10:27] <darktrojan> it was either hang out with the geeks or hang out with the drunks... and I clearly relate better to one of those stereotypes
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- # [10:35] <@dolske> heh
- # [10:37] <@dolske> I mean, wait, there's a difference?! ;)
- # [10:37] * @dolske mumbles something about the Balmer Curve an passes out.
- # [10:44] <darktrojan> heh
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- # [11:45] <NeilAway> dolske/darktrojan: surely you mean hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-hydra/ ?
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- # [11:52] <Callek> glandium: ping?
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- # [11:55] <Callek> glandium: soooo, can I get your assistance briefly on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722262#c8 (and c9) is there anything more that should be in DEPENDENT_LIBS_LIST besides the ldap stuff?
- # [11:56] <Callek> glandium: are we missing anything important mozilla-proper in that list?
- # [11:56] <Callek> glandium: anything more to note?
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- # [11:59] <Callek> khuey|away, bsmedberg-away: the above as well if either of you come around today (Sunday)
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- # [12:07] <glandium> Callek: basically, you need to recursively go through the DT_NEEDED libs from libxpcom.so
- # [12:07] <glandium> Callek: so, you start from readelf -d libxpcom.so | grep DT_NEEDED, and you follow.
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- # [12:09] <Callek> glandium: ahh is libxpcom.so the only root I need to check?
- # [12:09] <Callek> (assuming I recursively go through the list)
- # [12:10] <Callek> glandium: and since this file seems to be still used on windows (though seemingly not required) -- any idea how to check it on win?
- # [12:11] <glandium> Callek: presumably, it's less of a problem on windows
- # [12:11] <glandium> and presumably, it's the same dependencies
- # [12:11] <Callek> glandium: fair enough -- thanks
- # [12:12] <Callek> I'll give that a go later today with a linux VM (for sanity)
- # [12:12] <Callek> glandium: what provides readelf btw?
- # [12:12] <glandium> Callek: binutils, iirc
- # [12:12] <Callek> great, thx
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- # [13:05] <Ms2ger> Oh, Xulrunner
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- # [14:04] <Callek> glandium: I don't see DT_NEEDED but I do see (NEEDED) when I do readelf -d
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- # [14:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/12939cf8dbcb - Olli Pettay - Bug 726343 - Improve DOMEventTargetHelper CC logging, r=mccr8
- # [14:26] <diverdude> Hello. I am trying to parse the creationTime in the moz_cookies table in cookies.sqlite. I tried like this: select datetime(1329048903495852,'unixepoch'); but this gives a garbage value...Is the creationTime encoded somehow?
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- # [14:30] <gcp> its microseconds since epoch or smth?
- # [14:31] <gcp> yep
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- # [14:32] <diverdude> gcp: i see...so how do i convert it?
- # [14:33] <gcp> how do you convert from microseconds to seconds?
- # [14:33] <gcp> divide by 1000000
- # [14:36] <@smaug> burning
- # [14:36] <Ms2ger> Looks like it
- # [14:38] <@smaug> fixing
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- # [14:40] <diverdude> gcp: ofc. :) thx
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- # [14:53] <glandium> Callek: yeah, that's it
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- # [14:54] <Callek> glandium: I have a patch (set) I want you to peek at, and of course there is a m-c change that actually needs your (or someone's) r+
- # [14:55] <glandium> sure
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- # [14:58] <Callek> glandium: Bug 722262 whenever you're free/able :-)
- # [14:58] <Callek> (thanks again)
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- # [15:01] <Callek> oooo I just caught an issue in my patch to m-c (grr) (s/.list/.mk/ in my added lines)
- # [15:01] <glandium> Callek: i don't see a extradependentlibs.list file in the c-c patch
- # [15:01] <Callek> glandium: if you want me to reattach I will, but I fixed locally
- # [15:01] <Callek> glandium: was meant to be .mk /me looks again in c-c patch
- # [15:01] <glandium> yeah, it's extradependlibs.mk
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- # [15:02] <Callek> glandium: yea I fixed that typo on the m-c side locally
- # [15:02] <Callek> I can't believe I attached that way
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- # [15:03] <glandium> Callek: does MOZ_APP_COMPONENT_LIBS really contain ldap?
- # [15:04] <Callek> $ make echo-variable-MOZ_APP_COMPONENT_LIBS
- # [15:04] <Callek> xpautocomplete mail msgsmime import msgMapi mozldap mork
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- # [15:04] <glandium> Callek: yeah, but what about make -C mozilla echo-variable-MOZ_APP_COMPONENT_LIBS
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- # [15:04] <Callek> glandium: that is run at mozilla/xpcom/stub
- # [15:04] <glandium> Callek: thus my question.
- # [15:04] <glandium> ah
- # [15:05] <glandium> ok
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- # [15:06] <glandium> Callek: yeah, please refresh that m-c patch. I'll take a better look at the c-c one later, but at first glance, it looks good
- # [15:06] <glandium> later == tomorrow
- # [15:06] <Callek> glandium: sure thanks
- # [15:06] <NeilAway> 512MB: 41 minutes; 2GB: 18 minutes (libxul link times)
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- # [15:07] <glandium> NeilAway: would be even faster with even more memory
- # [15:07] <NeilAway> glandium: tried that, machine didn't like it for some reason
- # [15:08] <Callek> glandium: fwiw |$ make echo-variable-DEPENDENT_LIBS_LIST| does in-deed show the ldap stuff now! :-)
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- # [15:09] <NeilAway> glandium: the machine acted up so badly that I got a slow script warning trying to load the prompt service
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- # [15:11] <glandium> Callek: a quick note: i'd go for $(filter mozldap in extradependlibs.mk
- # [15:12] <Callek> glandium: I'm happy to go for that, but I won't churn the bug any more and would want it mentioned in-bug, so willing to mention it there when you look at the rest of the stuff there?
- # [15:12] <glandium> Callek: yeah, i put it in my splinter review draft. these things are useful :)
- # [15:13] <Callek> ahhh great
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- # [15:17] <Ms2ger> Oh, wow, someone submitted a bug from OS/2
- # [15:18] <ferongr> bug 726338
- # [15:21] <Ms2ger> Yes
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- # [16:01] <@khuey> Callek: I don't really know how dependent libs work, sorry
- # [16:01] <Callek> khuey: understood (glandium came around in time to help me though!)
- # [16:01] <Callek> thanks for your answer none-the-less
- # [16:01] <@khuey> cool
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- # [17:22] <doktor5000> can somebody tell me how firefox (10 on linux) determines applications to open file types or reads MIME database?
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- # [17:24] <doktor5000> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/How_Mozilla_determines_MIME_Types#File_URIs is not really helpful
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- # [17:24] <nemo> doktor5000: I assumed it was using the open desktop stuff
- # [17:25] <nemo> doktor5000: since when I register a mime for our game
- # [17:25] <doktor5000> currently firefox does not know any file type from mime database, and i don't know what's missing
- # [17:25] <nemo> hedgewars picks it up automatically
- # [17:25] <nemo> er
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- # [17:25] <nemo> firefox picks it up automatically
- # [17:25] <nemo> the game is hedgewars :)
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- # [17:25] <@khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/uriloader/exthandler/unix/nsOSHelperAppService.h#44
- # [17:26] <@khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/uriloader/exthandler/unix/nsOSHelperAppService.cpp#1382
- # [17:26] <nemo> ah. gnome specific stuff too
- # [17:26] <nemo> neat. checks mailcap
- # [17:26] <nemo> that's cool
- # [17:26] <nemo> I mean, we don't use it anymore, but good to know :)
- # [17:27] <@khuey> well this was probably written in 1999 ;-)
- # [17:28] <doktor5000> khuey: thanks, but can you give me an abstraction how the initial application list is generated (mimetypes.rdf)
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- # [17:31] <@khuey> we ship http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/locales/generic/profile/mimeTypes.rdf with the browser
- # [17:31] <@khuey> and the rest gets added as the user downloads things, I think
- # [17:31] * @khuey isn't that familiar with how this works
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- # [17:34] <doktor5000> khuey: whom could i ask about that, or where is it documented? there's no helpful in-depth documentation either at mozillazine or developer.mozilla.org
- # [17:35] <@khuey> uh
- # [17:35] <@khuey> maybe ask biesi?
- # [17:36] <biesi> most of the mappings come from the os
- # [17:36] <doktor5000> biesi: ok, how is it queried?
- # [17:36] <biesi> doktor5000, which os?
- # [17:37] <doktor5000> biesi: linux
- # [17:37] <biesi> doktor5000, we ask gnome
- # [17:37] <doktor5000> biesi: via gio?
- # [17:37] <biesi> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/uriloader/exthandler/unix/nsGNOMERegistry.cpp
- # [17:38] <biesi> yes, gio
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- # [17:42] <doktor5000> biesi: thanks for the information, should probably be documented at developer.mozilla.org as https://developer.mozilla.org/en/How_Mozilla_determines_MIME_Types#File_URIs is not really helpful
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- # [17:42] <Ms2ger> khuey, is it expected that DOMTimeStamp is a IDLWrapperType?
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- # [17:43] <biesi> darin, did you try clicking the link?
- # [17:44] <Ms2ger> biesi, darin?
- # [17:44] <biesi> er
- # [17:44] <biesi> doktor5000, did you try clicking the link?
- # [17:44] <biesi> though that section is a bit outdated too
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- # [17:45] <Ms2ger> Hmm
- # [17:45] <doktor5000> biesi: the link you posted about the gnome registry was the important piece, which was not documented (i'm no coder, and/or i maybe was just to dumb to read the code properly :) )
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- # [17:46] <smaugIC> Ms2ger: what about it?
- # [17:46] <biesi> Ms2ger, perfectly fine
- # [17:46] <biesi> doktor5000, yeah, true
- # [17:46] <Ms2ger> Good
- # [17:46] <biesi> the gnome code is newer than when I wrote that documentation
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- # [17:48] <doktor5000> biesi: sure, probably because the switch happened just recently (on a wider scale)
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- # [17:48] <@khuey> Ms2ger: yes, because it's a typedef
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- # [17:49] <Ms2ger> khuey, so an IDLWrapperType around an IDLTypedefType around an IDLBuiltinType?
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- # [17:51] <@khuey> Ms2ger: oh, hmm
- # [17:52] <@khuey> that seems weird
- # [17:52] <Ms2ger> Indeed, which is why I asked
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- # [17:52] <@khuey> yeah, should probably fix that
- # [17:52] * @khuey puts it on his list
- # [17:52] <Ms2ger> Also, the fact that DOMTimeStamp.type.isPrimitive() is False
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- # [17:56] <Ms2ger> Maybe on yammer
- # [17:57] <Ms2ger> Or https://www.pivotaltracker.com/
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- # [19:58] <philor> oh, I don't need to back that out of inbound the very second that I wake up, surely nobody will push on top of that
- # [19:58] <jlebar> philor, I wouldn't *dream* of pushing atop unstarred orange.
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- # [20:01] <philor> the unstarredness isn't a problem, it's the way that several suites crash
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- # [20:04] <@khuey> bbondy++
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- # [20:05] <bbondy> regarding reveal or download scan
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- # [20:06] <@khuey> both
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- # [20:07] <bbondy> :D
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- # [20:08] * @khuey should finish off the moz-icon one
- # [20:08] <@khuey> never got around to debugging the test failure
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- # [20:11] <bbondy> Are there any studies on the number of ms that should never happen on the UI thread?
- # [20:11] <bbondy> I remember reading about a goal for the Windows team before but I can't remember what it was. Maybe like 30ms or something
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- # [20:11] <@khuey> the goal we "have" is to return to the event loop every 50ms
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- # [20:12] <bbondy> ok that sounds fair
- # [20:14] <philor> http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/1627
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- # [20:15] <bbondy> hah
- # [20:15] <Octayn> lol
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- # [20:15] <bbondy> 200ms is definitely noticeable though
- # [20:15] <@khuey> heh
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- # [20:19] <philor> yeah, my build speed still isn't there, either
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- # [20:19] <jlebar> philor, You'll need to launch off at relativistic speeds and then have your build beamed to you via ansible in order to get that fast.
- # [20:20] <jlebar> philor, Unfortunately, by the time you returned to earth, we'd be in the year 20,000 and Mozilla might be slightly less-relevant.
- # [20:20] <@khuey> lies
- # [20:20] <@bz> "20,000 years in space"?
- # [20:20] <philor> probably have a lot of orange to star by then
- # [20:20] <@bz> sounds like a novel
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- # [20:21] <Callek> jlebar: no we'll be relevent
- # [20:21] <Ms2ger> Oh, no, we'll have dumped tests by then
- # [20:21] <Yoric> In year 20,000, I hope that we number our versions in 128 bits.
- # [20:21] <Callek> jlebar: we'll be developing firefox for your brain
- # [20:21] <Callek> and a REALLY REALLY long version number
- # [20:21] <Callek> that would be some subset of the fibbonacci sequence
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- # [20:22] <Callek> at least we'll no longer need to support OSX10.7
- # [20:22] <Callek> ;-)
- # [20:22] <@khuey> Yoric: why, 32 bits will be more than sufficient
- # [20:22] <bbondy> khuey: Is there another class that is similar to LazyIdleThread but designed for a single event to be processed? So basically the same but you wouldnt' have to specify a default timeout.
- # [20:22] <@khuey> bbondy: no
- # [20:22] <bbondy> k
- # [20:22] <@khuey> but it wouldn't be hard to bolt on, I think
- # [20:23] <bbondy> meh not worth it :)
- # [20:23] <Yoric> khuey: that's because you assume that we will not have stepped up the rapid release rhythm :)
- # [20:25] <gaston> Ms2ger: there's a running gag about pivotaltracker.com, or i missed smth subtle ? :)
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- # [20:28] <gaston> what a strange idea...
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- # [20:48] <artpar_> hello, where should i look/read to get more idea to use the
- # [20:48] <artpar_> moz-icon decoder to get the data in an image container ? i am doing a mentored bug and i have been adviced to use that
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- # [21:24] <jlebar> glob++ Bugzilla has been consistently fast since Monday.
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- # [21:28] <jesup> khuey: (or jlebar or others) - has any serious consideration been given to a multi-threaded GC? (Or CC)? A quick bugzilla search didn't show anything, but that doesn't mean a lot. With 4+ cores being pretty common nowadays, a 4-6-8x improvement in GC or CC times seems at least possible in theory, and main-thread execution is blocked anyways.
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- # [21:28] <jesup> Though multi-threaded GC/CC is a non-trivial amount of work... ;-)
- # [21:28] <derf> We've certainly done experiments with stuff like a lockloss mark phase, I thought.
- # [21:29] <jesup> derf: that would just avoid the blocking-main-thread part for a portion, if I'm correct
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- # [21:30] <jesup> Given Rust is probably not deploying in the next few months... ;-)
- # [21:30] <jesup> it might make sense to at least scope the idea
- # [21:31] <jesup> (and it might well apply even with Rust)
- # [21:31] <derf> jesup: I'm by no means in the loop on everything that's being done, I'm just saying people have certainly considered multithreading at least some parts of things.
- # [21:31] <Octayn> Speaking of rust! What are the plans for that?
- # [21:31] <@khuey> jesup: yeah, there's some investigation
- # [21:31] <@khuey> 721236 comes to mind
- # [21:32] <jlebar> jesup, That's kind of an interesting idea -- you don't necessarily incur lots of communication overhead because it's OK if you end up marking a live object twice.
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- # [21:32] <jesup> khuey: Not surprised, it's too big a win to not have looked at
- # [21:32] <jlebar> khuey, Ah, igor says the same thing. :)
- # [21:32] <jesup> jlebar: Yes. And there's plenty of good theory on multi-threaded GC I think
- # [21:32] <@khuey> jlebar: yep
- # [21:33] <jlebar> But I we need generational gc first.
- # [21:33] <derf> jlebar: Word.
- # [21:33] <jlebar> Anyway, gc times aren't as bad as cc times, I think.
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- # [21:33] <@smaug> jlebar: ?
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- # [21:33] <@smaug> GC times are now 10-20x cc times
- # [21:33] <jlebar> Ah, actually, the last few days' of CC times are maybe .5x gc times.
- # [21:34] <jlebar> smaug, According to telemetry, cc is ~50ms and gc is ~100ms.
- # [21:34] <jlebar> smaug, Arithmetic mean, not median.
- # [21:34] <@smaug> jlebar: telemetry doesn't show the latest results ;)
- # [21:34] <jesup> smaug's patches are better...
- # [21:34] <jlebar> smaug, From 2/10?
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- # [21:35] <jlebar> smaug, There was a bug earlier which was preventing us from seeing the last 10 days' results, but that's fixed now.
- # [21:35] <mccr8> jesup: gregor did some work on parallel marking. apparently it may be a little easier to do once incremental GC lands.
- # [21:35] <@smaug> I think 2.11. should be the first better Nightly
- # [21:35] <jesup> bug 721236 is more about a background GC thread, not multi-threaded GC I think
- # [21:35] <jlebar> smaug, Okay then!
- # [21:35] * @smaug can't understand the month/day syntax
- # [21:35] <jlebar> lol
- # [21:35] <mccr8> jesup: bug 638660
- # [21:36] <mccr8> ah, yeah I guess 721236 is kind of like igor picking up that older bug.
- # [21:36] <@smaug> right now I get usually 15-20ms CC, and 150-250 GC
- # [21:36] <jlebar> smaug, Data will tell!
- # [21:37] <@smaug> yeah
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- # [21:39] <@smaug> jesup: if you give me a multi-thread CC algorithm (I mean where traversing is multithreaded), I'd be happy to implement it
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- # [21:40] <jesup> smaug: next time I'm rooting around ACM Digital Library (or OS Review dead trees) I'll keep an eye out
- # [21:41] <@smaug> jesup: I haven't found any such articles in acm
- # [21:41] <@smaug> there are very few articles about CC
- # [21:41] <mccr8> cycle collectors are not as widely used as GCs.
- # [21:41] <jesup> smaug: there was an article on scalability in multicore GC in the latest OS review (Gidra, Thomas, et al)
- # [21:41] <jlebar> smaug, Sounds like we need to write a paper, then!
- # [21:41] <@smaug> GC is very different thing
- # [21:41] <jesup> Sorry, I was thinking GC, not CC
- # [21:41] <@khuey> our implementation is based off of the canonical paper in the field, iirc
- # [21:42] <mccr8> the only things that use CC that I'm aware of are Python and Firefox.
- # [21:42] <@smaug> yeah
- # [21:42] <@khuey> we have lots of optimizations though
- # [21:42] <@smaug> now
- # [21:42] <@smaug> we didn't have almost any optimizations
- # [21:42] <@smaug> also our setup to have GC and CC is pretty unique
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- # [21:42] <@khuey> yeah
- # [21:43] <@smaug> my aim was to get normal CC below 10ms
- # [21:43] <@smaug> on this machine
- # [21:43] <@smaug> but that is too easy
- # [21:43] <@khuey> haha
- # [21:43] <@smaug> <5ms is better
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- # [21:44] <@smaug> (though, need to split forgetSkippable handling to several phases, so that it doesn't start to take too much time)
- # [21:44] <@smaug> mccr8: what was the bug# for CC generations ?
- # [21:44] <@smaug> to collect first the old generation
- # [21:44] <jesup> The paper on GC's found fairly linear speedup for a bunch up to around 4-5x, with a limit around 6x, except for SunFlow, which is linear up to around 16x+
- # [21:45] <mccr8> smaug: 666417
- # [21:45] <mccr8> jesup: the Haskell people found that the speedup you get from multicore GC heavily depended on the benchmark.
- # [21:46] <mccr8> for instance, if your heap is a giant linked list, you can't really parallelize it.
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- # [21:46] <jlebar> In other news, many instances of 3SAT are easy to solve, but some are hard.
- # [21:47] <jesup> Right, a number of their benchmarks showed little to no speedup (perhaps 1/2, but that's of the chosen benchmarks)
- # [21:51] <jesup> Yeah, reading their conclusions perhaps (other than what Igor is working on) better to stick with other work. It certainly can help certain classes of applications, though, but at a fair bit of complexity. Never Mind. Move along, nothing to see here. :-)
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- # [21:53] <@smaug> mccr8: btw, my latest CC logs are quite interesting
- # [21:54] <@smaug> almost everything in the logs are coming from chrome
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- # [21:54] <mccr8> smaug: yeah I've noticed that too. maybe there's some more XUL stuff we can pick up.
- # [21:55] <mccr8> I've been looking more at silly stuff we can remove from the purple buffer to make the CC run less, but that we can't necessarily know is alive.
- # [21:55] <@smaug> xulprotos and XBL ..
- # [21:55] <mccr8> ah, right.
- # [21:56] <@smaug> mccr8: I wonder if we could somehow rely on GC more in some cases
- # [21:56] <@smaug> C++ really shouldn't keep DOM Events alive
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- # [22:06] <jlebar> artpar, You may have more luck if you try on a weekday during Eastern/Pacific working hours. Most of the imagelib peeps are gone.
- # [22:07] <artpar> okay jlebar, thank you
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- # [23:13] <NeilZZZ> Unfocused: hmm, which bit of autoDisableScopes affects extensions in bin/extensions ?
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- # [23:19] <darktrojan> NeilZZZ, not sure, but I'd go for SCOPE_APPLICATION: 4,
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- # [23:20] <NeilZZZ> darktrojan/Unfocused: although, I would want to know if there were any other affected extensions
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- # [23:21] <@smaug> there is something strange with focus
- # [23:21] <Talidan> Hi there, I have a similar issue to this http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2293151 - i'm trying to set browser.download.dir based upon the environment a user starts firefox
- # [23:21] <@smaug> recent regression
- # [23:21] <Talidan> it may be dependant on OS or user
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- # [23:22] <@smaug> perhaps josh's plugin stuff changed focus handling
- # [23:22] <Talidan> was wondering what'd be the best way to go about tihs, it sounds like the only way is an addon but i'm not sure
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- # [23:22] <@smaug> mounir: did you land your focus handling fix
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- # [23:26] <njn> can I provide a default C++ implementation of an IDL method?
- # [23:26] <biesi> nope
- # [23:27] <biesi> could make an abstract C++ class of course that inherits from that interface and implements the method
- # [23:27] <biesi> implementations can then inherit from it
- # [23:27] <biesi> as long as it's all in libxul
- # [23:27] <njn> biesi: this is for a method I'm adding to nsIURI :/
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- # [23:27] <biesi> ;(
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- # [23:27] <njn> biesi: oh well, I'll just have identical definitions a few times
- # [23:27] <njn> biesi: maybe I'll make a macro
- # [23:28] <njn> it's not a long function
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- # [23:28] <biesi> njn, what are you adding?
- # [23:28] <njn> biesi: SizeOf{In,Ex}cludingThis
- # [23:28] <njn> SizeOfIncludingThis is the same in all sub-classes
- # [23:28] <njn> this is for memory reporting
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- # [23:29] <njn> biesi: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682431
- # [23:29] <@khuey> I think we should stick this on a different interface
- # [23:29] <@khuey> so that we don't break extensions
- # [23:29] <njn> khuey: how would that work?
- # [23:29] <biesi> ah
- # [23:29] <@khuey> create a new interface
- # [23:29] <@khuey> nsIMemoryReportingURI
- # [23:29] <@khuey> or something
- # [23:30] <NeilZZZ> weird, in Windows 7, DebugBreak() is xchg ax, ax; int 3; ret;
- # [23:30] <@khuey> and then whenever you want to report the memory usage of an nsIURI, QI it to nsIMemoryReportingURI
- # [23:30] <@khuey> and if the QI fails, do nothing
- # [23:30] <biesi> really it sounds like that interface is generic enough that it doens't need URI in the name
- # [23:30] <njn> khuey: | mutable nsCOMPtr<nsIURI> mCachedURI;| is the case of interest
- # [23:30] <@smaug> are there several URI impls in Necko/Gecko ?
- # [23:30] <@khuey> biesi: yeah
- # [23:30] <@khuey> smaug: yes
- # [23:30] <njn> smaug: at least 4
- # [23:31] <@khuey> smaug: and extensions might have their own ...
- # [23:31] <biesi> smaug: yes, lots of wrappers around two "base" classes
- # [23:31] <@smaug> ah
- # [23:31] <@smaug> adding a new interface increases the size of those objects
- # [23:31] <@khuey> by a word
- # [23:32] <@smaug> I was hoping to have just "pseudo-interface", so that QIing to nsIMemoryReportingURI would give the concrete class
- # [23:33] * njn just wants to measure URIs
- # [23:33] <@smaug> addons can implement their own nsIURIs
- # [23:34] <@smaug> so, khuey's idea sounds safe
- # [23:34] <njn> khuey: I'll get my current approach fully working, then experiment with your suggestion
- # [23:34] <Unfocused> NeilZZZ: these consts: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/AddonManager.jsm#1651
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- # [23:35] <@khuey> njn: k
- # [23:36] <NeilZZZ> smaug: not forgetting the impls in mailnews :-P
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- # [23:38] <NeilZZZ> Unfocused: and do those values apply both to new profiles and upgrades?
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- # [23:38] <@smaug> um, did someone broke canvas painting
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- # [23:39] <Unfocused> NeilZZZ: they apply to new addons
- # [23:39] <@smaug> or perhaps someone just broke telemetry server
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- # [23:40] <Unfocused> if an extension is added by the application at upgrade, then it will apply. if an addon is added by a 3rd party at any time, it will apply then. etc etc
- # [23:40] <Unfocused> and it applies to all extensions when a profile is created, since all extensions are new then
- # [23:41] <NeilZZZ> Unfocused: ok, so for developing, it would be really handy not to have to enable all of my six extensions in objdir/dist/bin/extensions every time I create a new profile
- # [23:41] <NeilZZZ> Unfocused: also when I said upgrade I meant from e.g. Gecko 2 to current version
- # [23:42] * Unfocused nods
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- # [23:43] <NeilZZZ> Unfocused: so if I had a profile from Gecko 2 and I ran a current build would it promptly disable all my in-tree extensions again?
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- # [23:44] <Unfocused> NeilZZZ: iirc, only new ones added since gecko2
- # [23:45] <darktrojan> you'd get the "choose your addons" dialog
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- # [23:46] <NeilZZZ> darktrojan: oh, that's a point
- # [23:46] <NeilZZZ> that accessibility nightmare
- # [23:46] <darktrojan> heh
- # [23:46] <darktrojan> I saw it again the other day for the first time in ages... :-/
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- # [23:47] <NeilZZZ> where we emulate an iconic checkbox list because, wait, we already support iconic checkboxes, and iconic checkbox listcells too...
- # [23:47] <Unfocused> ah, yes, indeed
- # [23:48] <Unfocused> blame ux on that one :P the icon and checkbox are in a different order
- # [23:48] <NeilZZZ> actually they're not
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- # [23:49] <Unfocused> no? then i dunno, i didn't write it :P
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- # [23:49] <NeilZZZ> Unfocused: ok, so a) which of those flags affects extensions in dist/bin/extensions and b) does that flag affect anything else?
- # [23:50] * NeilZZZ wonders whether the "Choose Addons" dialog should appear if addons exist in a new profile
- # [23:51] <Archaeopteryx> yes, because all crap comes installed globally
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- # [23:57] <njn> khuey: what biesi said -- I could add nsIMemoryReporting that just has the two methods, SizeOf{In,Ex}cludingThis, and then make the important sub-classes of nsIURI (e.g. nsStandardURL, nsISimpleURI) inherit from it
- # [23:58] <njn> right?
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- # [23:58] <biesi> right
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- # [23:59] <Unfocused> Archaeopteryx: not all, we found that a bunch of 3rd party apps were dumping extensions in the profile
- # Session Close: Mon Feb 13 00:00:00 2012
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