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1. # Session Start: Mon Feb 13 00:00:00 2012
2. # Session Ident: #developers
3. # [00:00] <Unfocused> NeilZZZ: SCOPE_APPLICATION, and no it only affects new addons
4. # [00:00] <Archaeopteryx> i know, e.g. free download manager add-on
5. # [00:01] <NeilZZZ> Unfocused: I mean, does that flag cover more than one addon location?
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7. # [00:02] <Unfocused> no
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9. # [00:02] <RyanVM> smaug: so I'm wondering how a jpeg patch can regress DOM performance
10. # [00:04] <@smaug> I don't know what all dromaeo tests
11. # [00:04] <@smaug> it sure does test a lot more than just DOM
12. # [00:04] <@smaug> I mean even Dromaeo DOM tests more than just DOm
13. # [00:04] <@smaug> RyanVM: anyway, just keep eye on the results
14. # [00:05] <@smaug> maybe that regression is something random
15. # [00:05] <RyanVM> IIRC, it's a noisy test
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17. # [00:05] <@khuey> oh lord
18. # [00:05] <@khuey> I have a problem
19. # [00:06] <@khuey> and my first instinct to solve it is to use XPCOM aggregation
20. # [00:06] <philor> how many problems do you have now?
21. # [00:06] <@khuey> five million three hundred and twenty two thousand four hundred and one
22. # [00:07] <JonathanS> khuey, over 9,000 problems?
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24. # [00:07] <@khuey> way more
25. # [00:08] <jtcranmer> I once tried to find information on XPCOM aggregation
26. # [00:08] <jtcranmer> the only thing I could find was "it's like (MS)COM aggregation"
27. # [00:08] <JonathanS> khuey, that can't be right.
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29. # [00:08] <jtcranmer> I read the documentation on MSCOM aggregation and I still have no idea when it would be useful, how it works, or why we bother to support it
30. # [00:09] <biesi> aggregation is way underdocumented
31. # [00:09] <NeilZZZ> Unfocused: hmm, so why wouldn't you want app extensions to be enabled (c.f. mkaply's blog post?) but never mind that
32. # [00:09] <biesi> as for when it's useful: basically when you'd normally use inheritance
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34. # [00:09] <@khuey> yeah
35. # [00:09] <@khuey> except that you can't for some reason
36. # [00:09] <NeilZZZ> didn't nsSimpleURI use to use aggregation, and it got it wrong, or something
37. # [00:10] <@khuey> fwiw, gecko uses very little aggregation
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39. # [00:10] <NeilZZZ> I think you can't inherit from a class using aggregation
40. # [00:10] <@khuey> nsLoadGroup is the only thing I can think of off hand
41. # [00:10] <jtcranmer> considering that all our inheritance tricks are apeshit insane...
42. # [00:10] <NeilZZZ> since you can't override QI for the aggregate
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44. # [00:10] <@khuey> we do use forwarding methods a lot
45. # [00:10] <@khuey> which is basically a poor man's aggregation
46. # [00:11] <jtcranmer> DOM does a "let's come up with our own crazy implementaiton macro setup"
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48. # [00:11] <jtcranmer> a lot of URIs are "let's forward half this crap to someone else"
49. # [00:11] <@khuey> well that's something else entirely
50. # [00:11] <@khuey> also, most of that stuff in dom is going to go away
51. # [00:11] <jtcranmer> oh lord, massive c-c bustage again, then
52. # [00:12] <jdm> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/widgets/preferences.xml#143 - why would this.hasAttribute("instantApply") return false for a <preference> element that does have the instantApply attribute?
53. # [00:12] <njn> biesi, khuey: my method signatures look like this:
54. # [00:12] <njn> [noscript] size_t sizeOfExcludingThis(in voidPtr aMallocSizeOf);
55. # [00:12] <njn> I'm using a voidPtr because it's a function pointer
56. # [00:12] <njn> is that reasonable?
57. # [00:12] <jtcranmer> can't you throw in a native type?
58. # [00:12] <biesi> technically that's wrong
59. # [00:12] <jtcranmer> that does function pointers?
60. # [00:13] <biesi> function pointers are different from data pointers
61. # [00:13] <njn> jtcranmer: what do you mean by "does"?
62. # [00:13] <biesi> because some weird architectures require that
63. # [00:13] <jtcranmer> (void* cannot generally be castable to void(*)())
64. # [00:13] <jtcranmer> (although it works on practice in most systems anyone cares about)
65. # [00:13] <jtcranmer> (going through uintptr_t is much "safer")
66. # [00:13] <njn> I have an existing typedef nsMallocSizeOfFun
67. # [00:13] <njn> can I use that?
68. # [00:13] <biesi> I'd probably make this a non-IDL interface
69. # [00:13] <njn> biesi: sounds good, how do I do that?
70. # [00:14] <njn> just vanilla C++?
71. # [00:14] <biesi> yep
72. # [00:14] <biesi> see nsINode.h, for example
73. # [00:14] <njn> biesi: I was about to ask for an example, thanks :)
74. # [00:14] <biesi> or really nsI*.h
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81. # [00:17] <njn> biesi: hmm, I've been adding SizeOf{In,Ex}cludingThis functions to lots of classes, maybe they all should be implementing this new nsIMemoryReporting interface
82. # [00:19] <biesi> njn, probably! :)
83. # [00:19] <njn> biesi: e.g. every subclass of nsGenericHTMLElement
84. # [00:19] <njn> lol
85. # [00:19] * Unfocused shakes fist at NeilZZZ for making him read that blogpost
86. # [00:20] <@smaug> njn: only if they implement your interface as a tearoff
87. # [00:20] <@smaug> we don't want to increase the size of objects
88. # [00:20] <njn> smaug: tearoff?
89. # [00:20] <mounir> smaug: which fix?
90. # [00:20] <biesi> yeah seems like you can make nsGenericElement inherit from the new interface
91. # [00:20] <@smaug> mounir: the tab+plugin
92. # [00:21] <mounir> smaug: yes
93. # [00:21] <@smaug> you can't make nsGenericElement to inherit anything which increases the size of elements
94. # [00:21] <njn> smaug: I understand that, but I don't know what a tearoff is
95. # [00:22] <njn> (and increasing the size of a URI is acceptable, presumably?)
96. # [00:22] <@smaug> you can implement QI to nsIMemoryReporting as a tearoff. Basically when someone QIs to nsIMemoryReporting, you give back some other object
97. # [00:23] <njn> smaug: can you give me an example tearoff in the code?
98. # [00:23] <@smaug> nsDocument implements nsIDOMXPathEvaluator as a tearoff
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100. # [00:23] <@smaug> see nsDocument.cpp:1705
101. # [00:23] <@smaug> but tearoff for memory reporting sounds strange
102. # [00:24] <@smaug> it would increase mem usage
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104. # [00:24] <@smaug> but, perhaps we could have some special case for memreporting
105. # [00:25] <njn> smaug: NS_INTERFACE_MAP_ENTRY_TEAROFF is an... interesting macro
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111. # [00:35] <Callek> roc: http://xkcd.com/1015/
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141. # [01:20] <NeilZZZ> Unfocused: oh? why?
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143. # [01:21] <NeilZZZ> Unfocused: also, would it make sense to show the choose addons dialog for new profiles, given that there's no obvious UI that you have global addons waiting to be enabled? (I assume in such a case they would get enabled in time for the first window)
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146. # [01:27] <njn> biesi: there's no NS_DECL_NSIFOO for C++ interfaces... is it standard just to type out the relevant method prototypes?
147. # [01:29] <njn> seems to be
148. # [01:29] <biesi> yeah
149. # [01:30] <biesi> I mean you could also define your own NS_DECL_NSIFOO, if you prefer
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151. # [01:35] <njn> biesi: do you know if strings within URIs (e.g. nsStandardURL::mSpec) are definitely shared or definitely unshared?
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153. # [01:36] <biesi> njn, hmm good question. not sure offhand. I suspect they could be either
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155. # [01:37] <biesi> certainly no string is ever "definitely shared"
156. # [01:39] <njn> biesi: true
157. # [01:39] <njn> biesi: shared strings don't get counted by memory reporters, unfortunately, because it's unclear who should count it
158. # [01:39] <njn> biesi: so I'm hoping these ones are mostly/always unshared
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160. # [01:40] <biesi> njn, so I'm not sure offhand but I suspect they can easily be shared with the DOM attribute where they originated
161. # [01:40] <njn> biesi: I should just do some ad hoc profiling to find out
162. # [01:41] <njn> biesi: is it ok if I ask you for review of this patch when I'm done?
163. # [01:42] <biesi> sure
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165. # [01:44] <njn> thx
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175. # [01:57] <njn> is there any pattern to the ordering used for #includes in Gecko? AFAICT, there's not
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177. # [01:59] <njn> blank lines in the middle of #include lists seem to be random, too
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180. # [02:01] <@khuey> njn: no, there's not
181. # [02:01] <njn> khuey: awesome
182. # [02:01] <@khuey> well, not really
183. # [02:01] <@khuey> some modules have ordering
184. # [02:01] <njn> khuey: can you look at http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1483278 ?
185. # [02:01] <@khuey> but those are few and far between
186. # [02:01] <njn> khuey: nsISizeOf is my new interface
187. # [02:02] <njn> Link::SizeOfExcludingThis is where I do the QI
188. # [02:02] <njn> (I have no idea if I'm doing the QI right)
189. # [02:02] <njn> I get a compile error (at the bottom)
190. # [02:02] <@khuey> isn't SizeOfIncludingThis wrong?
191. # [02:03] <njn> khuey: how so?
192. # [02:03] <@khuey> 'this' is an nsISizeOf, no?
193. # [02:04] <jtcranmer> njn: if I have a choice, I try to make the #includes list proceed in alphabetical order
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195. # [02:04] <njn> khuey: I guess so
196. # [02:05] <njn> jtcranmer: I've kind of been doing that, but that's hard if the list is random :/
197. # [02:05] <@khuey> njn: anyways, the compiler is complaining because now nsNullPrincipalURI inherits from nsISupports multiple times
198. # [02:05] <njn> khuey: right, if I remove that I get a different error, sec
199. # [02:05] <@khuey> njn: see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=NS_INTERFACE_MAP_ENTRY_AMBIGUOUS
200. # [02:05] <jtcranmer> njn: in that case, I usually just append it to the end
201. # [02:05] <njn> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1483279
202. # [02:06] <@khuey> njn: ah, yes
203. # [02:06] <njn> khuey: do I need this AMBIGUOUS muck?
204. # [02:07] <@khuey> yes, to get past the first compiler error
205. # [02:07] <@khuey> you also need the DECLARE/DEFINE_STATIC_IID_ACCESSOR stuff http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/public/nsIHTMLToTextSink.h?force=1#49
206. # [02:07] <@khuey> that's what makes the comptr magic work
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209. # [02:08] <njn> khuey: ok, I'll go do some cargo-culting, back shortly when I get my next compiler error
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212. # [02:11] <@khuey> heh
213. # [02:12] <njn> khuey: do I need the " : public nsISupports" ?
214. # [02:12] <@khuey> not strictly
215. # [02:12] <@khuey> though
216. # [02:12] <@khuey> if you drop it
217. # [02:13] <@khuey> things will get messy
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219. # [02:13] <njn> ../../dist/include/nsISizeOf.h:63:1: error: expected initializer before ‘<’ token
220. # [02:14] <njn> wtf
221. # [02:14] <njn> ah, #include "nsISupports.h"
222. # [02:15] <njn> ../../dist/include/nsISizeOf.h:65:1: error: redefinition of ‘const nsIID nsISupports::COMTypeInfo<Dummy>::kIID’
223. # [02:15] <njn> ../../dist/include/nsISupportsBase.h:108:1: error: ‘const nsIID nsISupports::COMTypeInfo<Dummy>::kIID’ previously declared here
224. # [02:15] <njn> um
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226. # [02:16] <njn> oh, missing the dECLARE
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228. # [02:17] <njn> khuey: I'm back to the ‘nsISupports’ is an ambiguous base of ‘nsNullPrincipalURI’
229. # [02:18] <@khuey> did you do the AMBIGUOUS thing?
230. # [02:18] <njn> not yet
231. # [02:18] <njn> I need that for nsNullPrincipalURI?
232. # [02:18] <@khuey> yes
233. # [02:19] <@khuey> because it now inherits from nsISupports twice
234. # [02:19] <njn> and any other class that implements nsISizeOf?
235. # [02:19] <@khuey> yes
236. # [02:19] <@khuey> though many probably already have it
237. # [02:19] <njn> khuey: and you say this is less messy than dropping the " : public NSISupports" from nsISizeOf?
238. # [02:20] <Unfocused> NeilZZZ: we purposefully don't show that, to minimize the amount of dialogs on first startup
239. # [02:20] <@khuey> so
240. # [02:20] <@khuey> the problem with dropping the nsISupports inheritance
241. # [02:20] <@khuey> is that then you can't use nsCOMPtr with it
242. # [02:20] <@khuey> and you need to have your own custom macro from the QI implementation
243. # [02:21] <@khuey> basically you have to do what nsWrapperCache does
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248. # [02:28] <njn> khuey: I have this : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1483288
249. # [02:29] <@khuey> njn: you can't just duplicate the nsISupports macros ...
250. # [02:29] <njn> khuey: I told you I was cargo-culting
251. # [02:30] <@khuey> njn: indeed :-D
252. # [02:30] <njn> khuey: you mean, remoe the NS_IMPL_ADDREF/RELEASE lines?
253. # [02:30] <njn> I did that, I still get the ambiguity error
254. # [02:31] <karl> mconley: re bug 726410, i start looking at bug 726443 which may be related, but "pointer grab failed: 2" means invalid time; could there have been another grab that happened earlier perhaps?
255. # [02:32] <@khuey> njn: just a sec
256. # [02:32] <mconley> karl: hey!
257. # [02:33] <mconley> karl: unsure what might have grabbed. This occurs when opening the New Contact window, and trying to open a dropdown... I don't think any other app really gets an opportunity to grab.
258. # [02:33] <mconley> karl: though, I must admit, I'm more of a higher-level Javascripty front-end guy
259. # [02:34] <karl> mconley: yes, it was more if something else within gecko was grabbing without going through nsiwidget
260. # [02:34] <mconley> karl: I've been poking at gtk2/nsWindow.cpp, but this stuff is a little mysterious / out of my domain
261. # [02:34] <karl> mconley: but that's just a random possibility
262. # [02:34] <gw280> oh god gtk2 nsWindow
263. # [02:34] <gw280> oh god
264. # [02:34] <gw280> the horror
265. # [02:34] <mconley> gw280: not a good sign. :)
266. # [02:34] <mconley> karl: it's possible - how might I detect it? Do you need more logging data?
267. # [02:34] * gw280 stabs his eyes out
268. # [02:35] <njn> khuey: oh, nsNullPrincipalURI already has some NS_INTERFACE_MAP_BEGIN entries
269. # [02:35] <karl> mconley: you could perhaps check that the timestamp used for the grab matches that in the button press event; you'd need to set a breakpoint for the button press i guess
270. # [02:35] <@khuey> njn: try http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1483295
271. # [02:35] <@khuey> njn: yes, that was my point exactly
272. # [02:35] <@khuey> njn: this version doesn't inherit from nsISupports
273. # [02:35] <mconley> karl: can do, I think...
274. # [02:36] <njn> khuey: not inheriting looks nicer
275. # [02:36] <karl> mconley: check the button press timestamp first i think; for the other issue, a break point in XGrabPointer i think should catch anything
276. # [02:36] <njn> khuey: will try, thx
277. # [02:36] <mconley> karl: to save me some time, which function handles the button press event, for my breakpoint?
278. # [02:36] <karl> mconley: i need to go out for 30 minutes or so, but i'll be back
279. # [02:37] <mconley> karl: cool
280. # [02:37] <karl> mconley: button_press_event_cb
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282. # [02:37] <mconley> karl: thanks. :)
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284. # [02:38] <@khuey> smaug++
285. # [02:38] <karl> mconley: if you have a breakpoint there, there's a liklihood of locking up when clicking to release the grab
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288. # [02:38] <karl> mconley: options to avoid that include using escape to close a dropdown, or setting a command on the breakpoint to print and continue
289. # [02:39] <karl> mconley: or adding logging code instead of a breakpoint
290. # [02:39] <mconley> karl: I think I might go for logging
291. # [02:39] <njn> khuey: I guess |GetSizeOf| won't stand as the name without prefixing or namespacing
292. # [02:39] <karl> mconley: sounds safest
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294. # [02:40] <@khuey> njn: yeah, I'm leaving the details to you ;-)
295. # [02:40] <mconley> karl: alrighty, we'll see how far I've gotten when you get back
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297. # [02:41] <njn> khuey: I guess it can be a static method of nsISizeInfo
298. # [02:42] <@khuey> njn: seems reasonable
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308. # [02:54] <decoder> hm
309. # [02:54] <decoder> khuey: ping?
310. # [02:55] <decoder> general question: I had firefox running for fuzz testing for at least 3 days
311. # [02:55] <decoder> only displaying jpegs
312. # [02:56] <decoder> memory grew up to 11 GB or something like that, till I killed it now
313. # [02:56] <decoder> any known problems into that direction?
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315. # [02:57] <@smaug> decoder: do you know what was taking the memory?
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317. # [02:57] <@smaug> decoder: did you look at about:memory?
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319. # [02:57] <decoder> hm no. but I can try to repro now
320. # [02:58] <decoder> ill try about memory again once it grew for a while
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323. # [03:01] <@khuey> decoder: pong
324. # [03:01] <@khuey> decoder: that doesn't sound known to me
325. # [03:01] <decoder> okay thanks =)
326. # [03:01] <decoder> ill try to figure out what it is
327. # [03:01] <@khuey> decoder: though, how does it work?
328. # [03:02] <@khuey> do you use one page the whole time?
329. # [03:02] <decoder> khuey: yes
330. # [03:02] <decoder> it's a single page that contains javascript which receives images over websocket
331. # [03:02] <@khuey> decoder: ok, so this is known
332. # [03:03] <@khuey> decoder: we never discard the decompressed image data for <img> things on the current page
333. # [03:03] <@khuey> even if the <img> is not in the DOM
334. # [03:03] <decoder> ouch
335. # [03:03] <@khuey> so if you hold on to random <img> elements from js
336. # [03:03] <@khuey> that'll suck up a lot of memory
337. # [03:03] <decoder> ah ok
338. # [03:03] <@khuey> decoder: I'm fixing this though :-)
339. # [03:03] <decoder> i got a static <img> tag and JS keeps setting src=
340. # [03:03] <njn> khuey: you said before that the |aMallocSizeOf(this)| in nsISizeOf::SizeOfIncludingThis() was wrong -- why is that?
341. # [03:03] <decoder> to data urls
342. # [03:03] <decoder> khuey: thx :D
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346. # [03:04] <@khuey> decoder: hmm, there's only ever one
347. # [03:04] <@khuey> <img>?
348. # [03:04] <@khuey> njn: because sizeof(this) is sizeof(nsISizeOf)
349. # [03:05] <njn> khuey: but it's aMallocSizeof(), which ends up at moz_malloc_usable_size
350. # [03:05] <njn> which is exactly what we want
351. # [03:05] <@khuey> njn: ahhh
352. # [03:05] <@khuey> clever ;-)
353. # [03:05] <njn> khuey: I used to have aMallocSizeOf(this, sizeof(*this))
354. # [03:05] <njn> in that case it would be wrong
355. # [03:05] <njn> but I got rid of that 2nd arg
356. # [03:05] <njn> makes life a lot easier, in multiple ways
357. # [03:06] <njn> the 2nd arg was a fallback for platforms that don't supoprt moz_malloc_usable_size
358. # [03:06] <njn> but they're v. rare
359. # [03:06] <njn> (e.g. Solaris with --disable-jemalloc)(
360. # [03:06] <decoder> khuey: just double checked. the JS creates *one* <img> tag. and then keeps setting src="data..."
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362. # [03:07] <@khuey> decoder: ok, this isn't what I thought it was then
363. # [03:08] <@khuey> decoder: are you holding onto the strings that make up the data URLs?
364. # [03:08] <@khuey> decoder: another possibility is that the websocket code does something dumb
365. # [03:08] <@khuey> about:memory would really help here :-)
366. # [03:08] <decoder> khuey: ill try to reproduce it and check about:memory
367. # [03:08] <decoder> should only take 1-2 days for it to happen again :D
368. # [03:08] <@khuey> heh
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379. # [03:21] <mconley> karl: for when you get back - I might be doing this incorrectly, but I think the time in GrabPointer is smaller than the time for the button press event...a.k.a, that GrabPointer's timestamp is earlier than the actual click event timestamp.
380. # [03:21] <mconley> karl: but I may be interpreting that incorrectly.
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382. # [03:24] <diverdude> How do i parse a serialized phpsession in javascript? (http://phpjs.org/functions/unserialize:571 does not work)
383. # [03:26] <Unfocused> that's more of a php question than a js question...i bet #webdev may be of some help
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389. # [03:29] * @khuey thinks we hired a few more engineers in taipei
390. # [03:31] <biesi> khuey, why taipei?
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392. # [03:32] <Unfocused> why not?
393. # [03:34] <biesi> fair enough! just seems like an odd place for a concentration of engineers
394. # [03:34] <@khuey> biesi: because it's 9am monday there and a bunch of people just filed requests for l1 commit access
395. # [03:34] <@khuey> biesi: also we have an office there
396. # [03:34] <biesi> oh
397. # [03:34] <biesi> I did not know that!
398. # [03:34] <@khuey> it's only been around for a few months
399. # [03:34] <@khuey> and they're working mostly on b2g
400. # [03:34] <biesi> as usual I'm behind the times :)
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403. # [03:37] <ewong> wow..a Taipei office.. (is there a China office?)
404. # [03:38] <@smaug> there is a China office
405. # [03:38] <@khuey> yeah
406. # [03:38] <@khuey> we don't normally here much from them
407. # [03:38] <@khuey> they don't do much engineering stuff
408. # [03:38] <ewong> ooh Where is it? Beijing? or Shanghai?
409. # [03:38] <@khuey> beijing
410. # [03:38] <Unfocused> Beijing
411. # [03:38] <ewong> oooh.. Any chance that there'll be a HK office?
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414. # [03:39] <Unfocused> maybe not as much engineering stuff, mostly due to not as much engineers there...but they develop a lot of addons specific to china, which of course aren't very visible outside of china
415. # [03:40] <@khuey> right
416. # [03:40] <@khuey> ewong: I don't think HK is something being looked at anytime soon
417. # [03:41] <@khuey> we're mostly opening offices in countries we don't have a presence in already
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419. # [03:41] <ewong> there's a Mozilla presence in HK?
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421. # [03:42] <@khuey> no
422. # [03:42] <@khuey> but there's one in China
423. # [03:42] * @khuey doesn't want to get into HK sovereignity here ;-)
424. # [03:42] <@dolske> see, I would have gone for that Taiwan angle. :P
425. # [03:43] <@khuey> iirc, the list for 2012 is London, Berlin, and somewhere in Latin America
426. # [03:43] <Unfocused> heh...
427. # [03:43] <ewong> khuey: Oooh I see..
428. # [03:43] <philor> huh, if you sensibly ignore Android, one of my backouts was all-green
429. # [03:44] <@dolske> sounds like someone just won a trophy!
430. # [03:44] <Unfocused> and paris, i think
431. # [03:44] <@khuey> Unfocused: well, the Paris office is just moving
432. # [03:44] <@khuey> it already exists
433. # [03:44] <Unfocused> (well, new location for the paris office)
434. # [03:44] <Unfocused> yea, that :P
435. # [03:44] <njn> khuey: your GetSizeOf function always returns nsnull
436. # [03:45] <@khuey> njn: orly?
437. # [03:45] <@khuey> njn: did you add the NS_SIZEOF ... macro to the QI implementation for the relevant class?
438. # [03:45] <njn> khuey: oh wait... I forgot to include the NS_SIZEOF_INTERFACE_MAP_ENTRY
439. # [03:45] <njn> :)
440. # [03:46] <@khuey> yeah :-)
441. # [03:46] <@khuey> that
442. # [03:46] <njn> khuey: I'm getting some weird vtable error in test_nsIHistory.cpp, due to the mock_Link class
443. # [03:47] <njn> khuey: I just commented out that test in the makefile for now, because I couldn't work it out :(
444. # [03:47] <@khuey> uh, ok
445. # [03:47] <mconley> karl: ping
446. # [03:47] <karl> mconley: interesting, how much smaller?
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448. # [03:48] <karl> mconley: would be interesting to confirm that GetCurrentEventTime (in nsWindow.cpp) is not finding a timestamp from gtk_get_current_event_time()
449. # [03:48] <mconley> karl: button press time: 62906020, in CaptureRollupEvents, the time is: 62898313
450. # [03:49] <njn> khuey: it's still not working. Where does NS_SIZEOF_INTERFACE_MAP_ENTRY get called? it looks like a dead declaration
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452. # [03:50] <karl> mconley: ok, that sounds believable; do you know whether the dropdown is opened on press or release?
453. # [03:50] <njn> khuey: do I need to add it to classes implementing nsISizeOf?
454. # [03:50] <mconley> karl: if you're talking about the if-block in the middle of GetCurrentEventTime - it appears to be skipping it
455. # [03:50] <karl> mconley: so timestamp != GDK_CURRENT_TIME
456. # [03:50] <@khuey> njn: you stick it inside the QI macros for anything implementing nsISizeOf
457. # [03:51] <mconley> karl: using a reference build, the dropdown is opened on press
458. # [03:51] <karl> mconley: i wasn't expecting any problems if that if block is skipped
459. # [03:52] <njn> khuey: a lot of those macros end with |else|, does this one need to as well?
460. # [03:52] <karl> mconley: i wonder could the time can be less/earlier in CaptureRollupEvents
461. # [03:53] <njn> khuey: in fact, your macro looks a lot like NS_INTERFACE_MAP_ENTRY, but hard-coded to nsISizeOf
462. # [03:53] <karl> mconley: thanks for the info, btw; i'll start with this other bug as the causes may be the same
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464. # [03:53] <mconley> karl: No prob - let me know if I can be any more help - though I kind of feel like the Marty McFly to your Doc Brown, this low-level.
465. # [03:53] <njn> khuey: but your macro returns NS_OK
466. # [03:54] <@khuey> njn: yes
467. # [03:54] <@khuey> that's the idea
468. # [03:54] <@khuey> njn: the important thing is that my version doesn't AddRef
469. # [03:54] <njn> khuey: can I put it anywhere in the list?
470. # [03:54] <@khuey> if you fix the else thing maybe
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472. # [03:55] <karl> mconley: i don't understand how the time can be less/earlier in CaptureRollupEvents, given that if block is skipped, but i'll let you know when i've made progress
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475. # [03:55] <mconley> karl: cool, thanks. :)
476. # [03:55] <mconley> karl: let me know if you need steps to repro, etc
477. # [03:55] <karl> ok, thanks
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491. # [04:07] <njn> khuey: it's working! hooray. thanks for all your help
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493. # [04:08] <@khuey> w00t
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503. # [04:19] <njn> gecko is so easy
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507. # [04:30] <@khuey> heh
508. # [04:31] <ewong> njn you haven't finished your sentence.. I'll help you.. "gecko is so easy to drive you crazy."
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518. # [04:47] <karl> mconley: an update: looks like gtk_get_current_event_time is returning the time of an old event due to a nested event loop in showmodal; the last event in the inner loop (button press) has popped off the current event list and the grab is run off a nsXULPopupShowingEvent; at that point the event remaining on the current event list is the button release that opened the modal window
519. # [04:47] <karl> mconley: should have a patch soon
520. # [04:47] <mconley> karl: ah - that makes sense - yes, we're experiencing this issue in modals
521. # [04:47] <mconley> karl: awesome! :D
522. # [04:48] <mconley> karl: thank you so much!
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524. # [04:48] <mconley> karl: which bug are you going to attach the patch to? I just want to make sure I'm following it.
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527. # [04:50] <karl> mconley: i'm just pleased that its easy to solve; bug 726443 is the one i can reproduce with my build, so i'll attach there; if you can confirm it fixes the other bugs, that would be helpful
528. # [04:51] <mconley> karl: can do
529. # [04:51] <karl> thanks
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538. # [05:07] <njn> who here knows about structuring in-browser JS code?
539. # [05:07] <njn> I have aboutMemory.js, and I'm in the process of implementing aboutCompartments.js, which shared some code with aboutMemory.js
540. # [05:07] <njn> I'm not sure how to structure this
541. # [05:08] <njn> I could just put it all in the one file
542. # [05:08] <njn> or maybe use a .jsm? I don't know much about them
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544. # [05:08] <njn> a .jsm might be overkill
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546. # [05:10] <Unfocused> just use a shared .js file, unless you benefit from having it in a jsm (file is only parsed once, can share variables, can more easily control what gets exposed, etc)
547. # [05:10] <njn> Unfocused: by "shared" you mean "single"?
548. # [05:11] <Unfocused> yea
549. # [05:11] <Unfocused> one js file with the common code, loaded by both pages
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551. # [05:12] <Unfocused> jsm can also be useful for on-demand loading
552. # [05:13] <njn> Unfocused: ok, thanks
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563. # [05:22] <cilias> does anyone know if dwitte is the right person to review this patch? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=701322
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565. # [05:23] <bsmith> Let's say I wanted to add a new suite of tests (alongside of reftests, mochitests, talos) to mozilla-central. Any tips for where to start to figure out how to do so?
566. # [05:26] <@khuey> philor has a list of requirements you have to meet
567. # [05:27] <philor> though I suspect he means the mechanics of building and packaging, rather than my "thou shalt run on try first; thou shalt run on every branch; thou shalt be runable locally" list
568. # [05:27] <bsmith> I mean, I want to add the NSS test suite to the standard test suite
569. # [05:28] <bsmith> So there will be a new section N(1 2 3 4 5 6) next to M(1 2 3 4 5)
570. # [05:28] <@khuey> can you just make it run during make check?
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572. # [05:28] <bsmith> It takes 1 hour or so if it isn't broken up into parallel tasks
573. # [05:28] <bhearsum> khuey: if it can be run on the test machines that'd be better IMO
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575. # [05:28] <@khuey> uh
576. # [05:28] <@khuey> so
577. # [05:28] <@khuey> the obvious question is
578. # [05:28] <@khuey> what do we gain from running an hours worth of tests on every checkin on something we update a few times a year
579. # [05:29] <bhearsum> heh
580. # [05:29] <bsmith> We update it at least every 6 weeks
581. # [05:29] <bsmith> and now, more than that
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583. # [05:29] <@khuey> doesn't nss have its own tinderbox?
584. # [05:29] <bsmith> Yes, but it doesn't include all our target platforms
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586. # [05:29] <bsmith> and, I just saw that apparently there are some problems where some or all tests are not being run on some platforms
587. # [05:30] <bhearsum> if we fixed the bug about getting NSS build&test infra that's moz-owned, would this satisfy that need?
588. # [05:30] <bhearsum> the need to run these tests on firefox builds, i mean
589. # [05:30] <bsmith> and also the configuration of NSS built and tested on those tinderboxes is not the configuration used in Gecko
590. # [05:30] <bhearsum> ah
591. # [05:30] <bhearsum> hm, i thought there was more recent progress in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648676 =\
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593. # [05:31] <@khuey> adding an hour's worth of tests to every platform would be a huge increase in our load
594. # [05:32] <@khuey> all of mochitest takes 90 minutes in an opt build on windows
595. # [05:32] <bsmith> The NSS test suite can be made faster
596. # [05:32] <bsmith> I have some ideas for how to do that
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598. # [05:33] <bsmith> The question is, do we want to build a whole seperate infrastructure for things like Android
599. # [05:33] <bsmith> that is totally separate from our existing infrastructure for it
600. # [05:33] <bsmith> right now, NSS is totally untested on Android
601. # [05:34] <philor> now there's a can of worms you'd rather keep closed
602. # [05:34] <bsmith> And, secondly, do we want one Red Hat employee to be 100% responsible for maintaining the test infrastructure for it in his spare time
603. # [05:34] <bhearsum> long term, i doubt it
604. # [05:34] <bhearsum> i know for a fact that joduinn *wants* us to take in that infrastructure
605. # [05:35] <bhearsum> i don't know exactly why there hasn't been much traction there
606. # [05:35] <bsmith> Because some NSS developers (of which I am not one) do not want to switch from CVS
607. # [05:35] <bhearsum> oh, i didn't know he was gating it on that
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609. # [05:35] <bsmith> and none of our infrastructure supports CVS
610. # [05:35] <bhearsum> well...that's not technically true
611. # [05:35] <bhearsum> but i'm not going to argue in favour of NSS
612. # [05:35] <bhearsum> er
613. # [05:35] <bhearsum> CVS
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615. # [05:36] <bsmith> it seems to be becoming increasingly true
616. # [05:36] <bsmith> for example, mxr, bonsai, etc. are supposed to get the knife
617. # [05:36] <bhearsum> we haven't added new CVS-dependent infrastructure in ages
618. # [05:36] <bsmith> and dxr and other replacements do not support CVS
619. # [05:37] <bsmith> So, I am hoping we can basically mirror NSS CVS into mozilla-central, and then Gecko devs can use the same infrastructure we use for mozilla-central for NSS
620. # [05:37] <bsmith> and we can test exactly the configuration of NSPR and NSS that we ship
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623. # [05:38] <bsmith> and NSS upstream can have its mxr+bonsai+CVS+whatever infrastructure.
624. # [05:39] <bhearsum> mirror regularly, or still take code-drops?
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626. # [05:41] <bsmith> I would like to mirror it one-to-one
627. # [05:41] <bsmith> mostly in real time
628. # [05:41] <bhearsum> ah
629. # [05:42] <bhearsum> well if that's the case, per-build testing might make a bit more sense
630. # [05:42] <bsmith> I don't know what Kai thinks about doing that yet, but I would like mozilla-central to be, basically, always the NSS CVS trunk going forward
631. # [05:43] <bhearsum> you should probably talk with coop or catlee or joduinn about the overall plan, and someone in the ateam (ted or ctalbert maybe?) about the test-specific portion - if you're going to be doing chunking or anything like that you'll need a harness ala reftest.py
632. # [05:43] <jtcranmer> bsmith: dxr is almost completely VCS-agnostic
633. # [05:44] <jtcranmer> bsmith: I also have an unrelated question you might be able to answer
634. # [05:44] <jtcranmer> bsmith: is it safe to call nsISocketTransport::IsAlive from the main thread?
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637. # [05:46] <bsmith> jtcranmer: Not really. See bug 711786
638. # [05:46] <bsmith> And by "Not really" I mean "no"
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641. # [05:47] <jlebar> Apologies to anyone who gets behind me in the queue for tryserver OSX64 reftests. Feel free to increase your jobs' priorities.
642. # [05:47] <@khuey> chasing the bitmap decoder thing again?
643. # [05:47] <jtcranmer> bsmith: drats, that complicates code I want to write
644. # [05:48] <bsmith> Anyway, right now I am renting the ash project branch, so I would like to figure out HOW to run the NSS test suite as part of the build, to see how well I could get it to work. We can decide if we will actually do that later
645. # [05:48] <bsmith> jtcranmer: What are you trying to accomplish?
646. # [05:49] <jlebar> khuey, Yes. I thought I'd fixed it, but I made the mistake of declaring victory after about 25 greens last time.
647. # [05:49] <@khuey> jlebar: :-D
648. # [05:49] <jtcranmer> I'm trying to detect if a dormant connection I'm about to use is still connected
649. # [05:49] <@khuey> bsmith: hook up the nss testsuite to something in testsuite-targets.mk
650. # [05:49] <@khuey> bsmith: and then get releng to set up automation to run that target
651. # [05:50] <bsmith> Thank you, khuey
652. # [05:50] <bsmith> jtcranmer: A HTTP connection?
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655. # [05:50] <jtcranmer> bsmith: bug 717016 in particular
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658. # [05:52] <bsmith> jtcranmer: you can call it safely (only) on the thread you do the I/O on
659. # [05:53] <bsmith> You might be able to call it on different threads too. The one thing you can't do is call it on any thread other than the socket transport thread, for connections that are managed by the socket transport service.
660. # [05:53] <bsmith> Which, basically, means you can't use it for HTTP connections
661. # [05:54] <jtcranmer> I do I/O on the main thread
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664. # [05:55] <bsmith> jtcranmer: That sounds like the opening line of a Necko Abusers Anonymous meeting
665. # [05:56] <bsmith> but, yes, I know that in thunderbird, that is common
666. # [05:56] <jtcranmer> I would change it
667. # [05:56] <jtcranmer> but that is much harder than it sounds
668. # [05:56] <jtcranmer> I just want clarification
669. # [05:56] <bsmith> I know.
670. # [05:56] <jtcranmer> I open a socket, and send all events to the main thread
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672. # [05:57] <jtcranmer> does that mean I can call is alive on it from the main thread?
673. # [05:57] <bsmith> You can call IsAlive on the main thread if you are doing your I/O on the main thread
674. # [05:57] <bsmith> In fact, that is really the only thread you should call it on
675. # [05:58] <jtcranmer> that is the clarification I need
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692. # [06:10] <nigelb> about:newtab is looking better an better!
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694. # [06:10] <nigelb> ttaubert++
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696. # [06:11] <jlebar> Dunno...I still have "502 Server Error" and "Moved Permanently" in my newtab.
697. # [06:11] <jlebar> Places is great, isn't it?
698. # [06:12] <@khuey> :-D
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700. # [06:12] <sfink> maybe those are the best options for optimizing your productivity. Just close the tab, dammit. You'll be happier in the long run.
701. # [06:12] <jtcranmer> let's see
702. # [06:14] <jtcranmer> my new tab has a page I'm developing, bugzilla, a simple test page, another page I develop, pastebin, wifi login page, an mxr page, and a random webpage
703. # [06:14] <jlebar> jtcranmer, hm, yours is much better than mine.
704. # [06:14] <jtcranmer> wait, I also have dxr in there
705. # [06:14] <jlebar> jtcranmer, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723981
706. # [06:14] <jtcranmer> no wait, that's another version of localhost
707. # [06:15] <jtcranmer> now, granted, I don't actually use nightly all that much
708. # [06:16] <jtcranmer> all of my web browsing is done not in a vm
709. # [06:16] <jtcranmer> s/all/most/
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712. # [06:19] <jtcranmer> incidentally, my main browser's new tab is actually decent
713. # [06:21] <jtcranmer> 2/3 of it are web-comics I read daily, another page is the weather which I read almost daily, and the last two I open at least weekly
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716. # [06:26] <larfdesk> ... hows the progress of making a home tab?
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719. # [06:27] <larfdesk> hmmm... been pushed back to 13 I see :P
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723. # [06:37] * njn doesn't seem to be able to use |let| in aboutMemory.js, hmm
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725. # [06:37] <jlebar> njn, JS 1.8 or somethingg.
726. # [06:37] <jlebar> 1.7?
727. # [06:38] <njn> jlebar: how do I request that?
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729. # [06:38] <jlebar> njn, <script type="application/javascript;version=1.7"> maybe?
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731. # [06:39] <njn> jlebar: ah, that works, thx
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734. # [06:43] <Unfocused> yea, 1.7. but you should specify 1.8
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749. # [07:09] <njn> jlebar: any thoughts on how to measured shared strings? Currently we just don't even try, for URIs it misses a decent chunk of memory :(
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758. # [07:14] <njn> Unfocused: why 1.8?
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763. # [07:17] <Unfocused> njn: cos 1.8 is cool
764. # [07:18] <Unfocused> you get all new features that way
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807. # [08:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ce69ffdb3d79 - Andreas Gal - Bug 726528 - remove unnecessary webapi emulation from b2g chrome code (r=me, npotb)
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815. # [08:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d69a4dd0802e - Andreas Gal - Bug 726529 - remove app cache refresh handling from b2g chrome code (r=me, npotb)
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817. # [08:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9fb9c1cfc1df - Andreas Gal - Follow-up fix for bug 726529
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830. # [08:54] <Yoric> Ryan: ping
831. # [08:58] <Yoric> Do we have any mozconfig flags that can help me find out why some .h file was included?
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843. # [09:12] <glazou> bonjour
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846. # [09:15] <@roc> hi
847. # [09:18] <glazou> hi roc, saw two days ago a so nice documentary on NZ north island... impressive landscapes
848. # [09:18] <@roc> yes
849. # [09:18] <@roc> especially for a volcanophile like me
850. # [09:18] <glazou> just wow, I now understand why you hike so much
851. # [09:18] <glazou> yep
852. # [09:19] <@roc> BTW I'm going to be in Paris soon
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854. # [09:19] <glazou> before barcelona
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856. # [09:19] <@roc> no, just on holiday
857. # [09:19] <glazou> oh ok
858. # [09:19] <glazou> let me know !
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863. # [09:24] <@roc> I'll probably be in the Mozilla office March 9
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865. # [09:26] <glandium> looks like cycle collection got a whole lot better between 11 and 12
866. # [09:26] <@roc> thanks to Olli
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871. # [09:31] <glazou> roc: noted
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880. # [09:50] <Yoric> I am currently a little baffled by bug 726354.
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882. # [09:50] <Yoric> Do we have a nice way of finding out _why_ a header causing an error was included?
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884. # [09:53] <Yoric> (my VS is pointing to an old version of the source code)
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896. # [10:13] <glandium> Yoric: you can make -C directory file.i, with VS, it will output the list of included files in the order they are included, so you'll know where an include comes from
897. # [10:13] <glandium> Yoric: the file.i file itself might be useful as well
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909. # [10:23] <Yoric> thanks
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936. # [10:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c17bad2abafe - Panos Astithas - Bug 687093 - Clicking on a stack frame in the debugger should put the caret in the proper source line; r=msucan
937. # [10:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/17a1f5c47b25 - Michael Ratcliffe - Bug 705707 - Style Inspector doesn't take into account chrome:// stylesheets; r=msucan; f=dao
938. # [10:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0f5003f35498 - Victor Porof - Bug 715970 - Highlighted node should center in the visualization (Tilt); r=rcampbell
939. # [10:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ac4190a91b2f - Panos Astithas - Bug 706506 - The debugger refreshes the editor contents on every pause; r=dcamp
940. # [10:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4a07e7dbc483 - Rob Campbell - Backout Bug 705707 due to oranges; a=#fx-team
941. # [10:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/76644d862968 - Victor Porof - Bug 719877 - Tilt should use Highlighter's zoom property (screenPixelsPerCSSPixel) instead of markupDocumentViewer.fullZoom; r=rcampbell
942. # [10:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7b6bf801d765 - Panos Astithas - Bug 690419 - Script debugger picks the wrong highlighting engine in URLs with a query string; r=dcamp
943. # [10:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c90c9f273cad - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
944. # [10:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a82b581bd1b0 - Victor Porof - Bug 722129 - Tilt visualization mesh isn't correctly positioned when scrollbars are present or when the document body is smaller than the content window; r=rcampbell
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972. # [11:47] <NeilAway> darktrojan: hey, I got cached xhtml today :-)
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975. # [11:52] <Yoric> While attempting to fix my bug, I encounter the following error: mozStorageConnection.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol _sqlite3_mutex_held referenced in function "public: void __thiscall mozilla::storage::SQLiteMutex::assertCurrentThreadOwns(void)" (?assertCurrentThreadOwns@SQLiteMutex@storage@mozilla@@QAEXXZ)
976. # [11:52] <Yoric> Does this sound familiar to anyone?
977. # [11:53] <darktrojan> NeilAway, I didn't
978. # [11:54] <Yoric> Note: my patch is rather simple... http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1483560
979. # [11:54] <NeilAway> darktrojan: you got cached html or uncached xhtml?
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983. # [11:54] <darktrojan> reasonably sure it was cached html
984. # [11:54] <darktrojan> about an hour ago
985. # [11:55] <darktrojan> definitely html though :-/
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1102. # [14:10] <tbsaunde> smaug: ping
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1104. # [14:10] <@smaug> tbsaunde: pong
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1106. # [14:13] <tbsaunde> smaug: thoughts on adding a ComparePoint() to nsRange that takes a nsINode*
1107. # [14:13] <tbsaunde> ?
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1109. # [14:14] <@smaug> nsRange::CompareNodeToRange isn't enough?
1110. # [14:14] <tbsaunde> smaug: oh, hm let me look
1111. # [14:16] <@smaug> tbsaunde: but ComparePoint which takes nsINode sounds good too
1112. # [14:16] <tbsaunde> smaug: ok, will look into it, thanks for pointing that out
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1122. # [14:28] <@ted> hrmn
1123. # [14:28] <@ted> so uh
1124. # [14:28] <@ted> i just put 2 and 2 together
1125. # [14:28] <@ted> none of my firefoxes can load google.com
1126. # [14:29] <@ted> i keep thinking it's my internet connection
1127. # [14:29] <@ted> but then i tried IE and it worked fine
1128. # [14:29] <@ted> so i'm guessing it's a SPDY problem
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1134. # [14:36] <@ted> is there a necko channel? #necko seems empty
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1136. # [14:39] <ferongr> SPDY is only enabled in Nightly by default
1137. # [14:40] <@ted> uh yeah
1138. # [14:40] <@ted> that's what i'm using
1139. # [14:40] <ferongr> and google.com is loading just fine for me over SPDY
1140. # [14:40] <@ted> well it's not loading here
1141. # [14:40] <@ted> disabling it in about:config makes google load
1142. # [14:41] <@ted> something is busted
1143. # [14:41] * @ted files a bug
1144. # [14:42] <ferongr> the only thing not profile-related that could be breaking it is a transparent proxy from your ISP, but I doubt that's the case
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1146. # [14:43] <ferongr> my mobile carrier's transparent proxy semi-breaks SPDY
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1153. # [14:53] <@ted> hum
1154. # [14:53] <@ted> it works on my linux machine
1155. # [14:53] <@ted> but not windows
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1159. # [14:55] <lurking> ted: google loading here OK - m-c hourly from yesterday
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1161. # [14:56] <@ted> hm
1162. # [14:56] <@ted> i'm a day or two out of date
1163. # [14:56] <@ted> lemme try updating
1164. # [14:56] * lurking checks to make sure SPDY is on, and it is..
1165. # [14:56] <@ted> ah
1166. # [14:56] <@ted> must have been something that got fixed
1167. # [14:57] <lurking> :)
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1170. # [14:58] <paul> smaug: thx for the update (re bug 641821)
1171. # [14:58] <@smaug> paul: did you get my email about that one demo
1172. # [14:59] <paul> smaug: I did
1173. # [14:59] <paul> smaug: known problem - I need to reupload a big zip file.
1174. # [14:59] <@smaug> paul: I was hoping to use that as a testcase ...
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1176. # [14:59] <paul> smaug: I can do that now
1177. # [14:59] <@smaug> I've used also FotN, but better to try different demos
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1179. # [15:00] <Standard8> Callek: you broke inbound
1180. # [15:00] <Callek> wtf
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1182. # [15:00] * Callek looks
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1184. # [15:00] <Callek> I was about to look anyway
1185. # [15:01] <Standard8> bad merge?
1186. # [15:01] <Callek> Oooo crap, yea rebase fail
1187. # [15:01] <Callek> let me back out then I'll reapply my patch cleanly and re-verify
1188. # [15:02] <Callek> backout lande
1189. # [15:02] <Callek> +d
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1194. # [15:07] <gcp> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726002#c6
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1196. # [15:07] <gcp> can't I simply make a follow-up patch?
1197. # [15:07] <Callek> ok re-landed the intended patch now
1198. # [15:08] <Callek> gcp: since dcamp and Ms2 is not around, I'd say no
1199. # [15:09] <Callek> unless you know someone who has review rights for that code and wants to step up for a quick followup review
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1201. # [15:14] <@smaug> gcp: what code?
1202. # [15:14] <gcp> urlclassifier. the error is basically that the code checks an nsresult for failure, but it should be a boolean
1203. # [15:15] <@smaug> you mean this nsresult rv = array.SetCapacity(aAddPrefixes.Length()); ?
1204. # [15:15] <gcp> yeah
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1206. # [15:15] <@smaug> if you upload a followup patch, I could review it immediately
1207. # [15:16] <gcp> ok, lets do that insteaxd
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1210. # [15:17] <jfkthame> gcp: one other thing, btw - please note the changeset(s) in the bug when landing patches - there's no mention in bug 726002 of what was pushed to inbound
1211. # [15:18] <gcp> yeah, that was an oversight
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1213. # [15:19] <jfkthame> ok, thanks - yeah, easily done
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1217. # [15:22] <gcp> argh
1218. # [15:22] * gcp just backs out instead
1219. # [15:23] <@smaug> k
1220. # [15:23] <gcp> my patch wont compile :P
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1224. # [15:23] <@smaug> gcp: because you're missing nsresult rv elsewhere
1225. # [15:24] <gcp> yes
1226. # [15:24] <@smaug> just add nsresult before rv = mPrefixSet->SetPrefixes(array.Elements(), array.Length());
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1231. # [15:29] <@bz_sleep> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=629200 may win the "most comments for spamless bug" award....
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1233. # [15:30] <jwir3> bz_sleep: yeah, that is a lot.
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1238. # [15:33] <gcp> smaug: ok, fix up
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1241. # [15:35] <ewong> anyone here familiar with the Phishing Protection that's part of Firefox?
1242. # [15:35] <gcp> yes
1243. # [15:35] <@smaug> gcp: done
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1245. # [15:36] <ewong> gcp, I read from Google (I think) that Firefox has a 'key' that communicates with Google's provider.. is this true or has that been opened up?
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1248. # [15:37] <ewong> now I seem to have lost that link to the doc detailing the need to apply for some key
1249. # [15:38] <ewong> ah..found it : http://code.google.com/apis/safebrowsing/key_signup.html
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1251. # [15:40] <gcp> huh, I dont think we need or use a key
1252. # [15:40] <gcp> http://code.google.com/p/google-safe-browsing/wiki/Protocolv2Spec
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1255. # [15:40] <gcp> we just do that 3.2. HTTP Request for List
1256. # [15:40] <gcp> indicating we're firefox
1257. # [15:42] <gcp> the API key belongs to v1 of the protocol, I think
1258. # [15:43] <ewong> ohh..
1259. # [15:43] <ewong> reading the dev guide(v2)
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1265. # [15:46] <ewong> gcp, actually that dev2 guide states in the Getting started section that an api key is needed...
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1268. # [15:47] <@smaug> paul: thanks!
1269. # [15:47] <ewong> gcp http://code.google.com/apis/safebrowsing/developers_guide_v2.html#Changes I dunno if this applies to Firefox..
1270. # [15:48] <gcp> yes, we use v2
1271. # [15:49] <@smaug> paul: hmm, I get only the sound
1272. # [15:49] <gcp> ewong: in the link I pasted, the apikey in that request doesn't exist
1273. # [15:49] <@smaug> paul: er, nm, works now
1274. # [15:49] <ewong> gcp yeah.. I just noticed that.. and it is the v2.2 so
1275. # [15:51] <gcp> its hard to see how such a (secret) API key could work with firefox
1276. # [15:51] <gcp> so I think that part of the protocol is obsolete
1277. # [15:51] <gcp> there's also no string "apikey" in our codebase
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1279. # [15:55] <ewong> gcp hmm yeah.. thanks for that link..
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1287. # [15:59] <@smaug> no m prefix for a member variable
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1289. # [16:00] <@khuey> welcome to the js engine :-P
1290. # [16:00] <@smaug> this is under content/
1291. # [16:00] <@smaug> and new code
1292. # [16:00] <@smaug> webgl
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1296. # [16:07] <@bz> mmm
1297. # [16:07] <@bz> mmmmmmemmmmbers
1298. # [16:07] <@bz> braaaaaains
1299. # [16:07] <glazou> bz_zombie ?
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1308. # [16:14] <mjessome> dietrich, gw280: Sorry about the autoland patches that didn't get pulled through. I had reconfigured a few things the other day and a small config error didn't allow for them to be landed. I was in transit all day yesterday, so wasn't able to catch it sooner.
1309. # [16:15] <gw280> np
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1313. # [16:19] <@bz> glazou: hmm?
1314. # [16:19] <@bz> glazou: oh, that
1315. # [16:19] <@bz> glazou: it's just morning
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1319. # [16:21] <glazou> well, zombies go out at night usually :-)
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1332. # [16:35] <vorbislib> hi, should Firefox's libvorbis be updated to the latest? http://www.xiph.org/press/2012/libvorbis-1.3.3/ "Xiph.Org is pleased to announce a full release of libvorbis 1.3.3. This is a spot release that contains only bug, documentation, and security fixes."
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1334. # [16:35] <rwaldron> not sure if this is the right place for this, but the link to Nightly http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-devtools/
1335. # [16:35] <rwaldron> is 404
1336. # [16:35] <rwaldron> :(
1337. # [16:36] <jesup> vorbislib: best place to ask is #media
1338. # [16:37] <vorbislib> ok
1339. # [16:37] <dveditz> vorbislib: I'll look into it, thanks.
1340. # [16:37] <vorbislib> oh ok
1341. # [16:37] <jesup> vorbislib: a number of the Xiph folk work for mozilla... ;-)
1342. # [16:37] <dveditz> well, if you're willing to ask in #media go ahead, that's just what I was going to do :-)
1343. # [16:37] <dveditz> jesup: a "number" of them? I only knew about Tim
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1345. # [16:38] <jesup> dveditz: Ralph Giles (Rillian), Jean-Marc I think
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1347. # [16:38] <dveditz> cool, didn't know that
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1349. # [16:39] <vorbislib> just asked in #media
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1352. # [16:40] <no_gravity> Hello from Germany! Is it possible to have a combined english/german dictionary in Firefox? Because I regularely write with people in both languages.
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1356. # [16:42] <dveditz> no_gravity: not sure. The folks in #l10n would know better
1357. # [16:42] <dveditz> (that's an abbreviation for "localization")
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1364. # [16:44] <dietrich> mjessome: np, thanks!
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1366. # [16:45] <no_gravity> dveditz: ok, thanks. i will aks them. how is l10n an abbreviation for localization?
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1369. # [16:47] <cers> no_gravity: l<10 letters>n
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1372. # [16:48] <cers> no_gravity: i18n is similarly internationalization
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1376. # [16:50] <Mark_Capella> a11y accessibility !
1377. # [16:50] <Mark_Capella> coool..
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1395. # [17:01] <no_gravity> looks like the people in l10n dont know. i will just add a special work and search for it on the harddisk...
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1397. # [17:01] <no_gravity> persidct.dat hmmm...
1398. # [17:02] <no_gravity> looks like it only contains my added words. where are the full dictionaries?
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1415. # [17:12] <@ted> robcee: ping
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1418. # [17:14] <robcee> ted: yes?
1419. # [17:15] <@ted> robcee: hey, rfreebern is hitting crashes in ff10/linux opening the dev console
1420. # [17:15] <@ted> have you ever heard of anything like that?
1421. # [17:15] <@ted> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-baa8c9cc-ffa3-4296-bdfb-7ea292120213 / https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-c72e0192-55f6-4df6-a952-e96d72120213
1422. # [17:15] <robcee> web console?
1423. # [17:15] <@ted> the stacks don't seem real useful
1424. # [17:15] <@ted> looks like memory corruption
1425. # [17:15] <robcee> where'd you get your build rfreebern ?
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1427. # [17:15] <rfreebern> Ubuntu channel
1428. # [17:16] <robcee> there was a bug due to GCC that was causing that and still is for some users
1429. # [17:16] <@ted> ooh
1430. # [17:16] <@ted> chrisccoulson: ping
1431. # [17:17] <robcee> we know what causes it and we're going to ping people at ubuntu to get a different build
1432. # [17:17] <@ted> rfreebern: chrisccoulson is the ubuntu firefox maintainer
1433. # [17:17] <robcee> hang on for bug number...
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1435. # [17:17] <@ted> FYI
1436. # [17:17] <@ted> robcee: thanks!
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1438. # [17:17] <rfreebern> Thanks guys
1439. # [17:17] <robcee> bug 694594
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1442. # [17:18] <chrisccoulson> hi ted
1443. # [17:19] <jwir3> oh no I got the khuey frozen virus
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1445. # [17:19] <@bz> frozen viruses?
1446. # [17:19] * @bz did not know khuey was spreading smallpox
1447. # [17:19] <jwir3> just in browserquest ;)
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1451. # [17:20] <@bz> ah
1452. # [17:21] <@khuey> bz: :-D
1453. # [17:21] <glazou> this channel behaves weirdly today...
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1459. # [17:22] <@bz> glazou: "today"?
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1472. # [17:36] <@ted> chrisccoulson: hey, was just pinging you re: what robcee said
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1475. # [17:39] <robcee> hey there
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1477. # [17:39] <robcee> the fix is to use a version of CLANG that isn't in the ubuntu packages
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1526. # [18:07] <bbondy> anyone have ideas on how I can reproduce this 200ms netwerk cache init operation? For me it is only 1ms.... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719565
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1548. # [18:21] <Callek> mak: ping?
1549. # [18:21] <mak> Callek: pong
1550. # [18:21] <Callek> mak: objection if I merge my green pgo to m-c and rely on you/sheriff to watch m-c (I'll still be around)
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1552. # [18:22] <Callek> its just a few inbound csets above the one you did merge to m-c
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1554. # [18:22] <mak> Callek the problem is that there is Bug 726002 that gcp backed out just after your pgo
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1556. # [18:23] <Callek> mak: ooooo I missed that -- ok, fair enough
1557. # [18:23] <mak> I don't know how important is that backout but it's surely pending
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1559. # [18:24] <mak> you may trigger a pgo on that backout or my merge and then merge on it, maybe?
1560. # [18:24] <Callek> mak: I'll defer to the obvious "we had to backout something so we should avoid landing anything with the problem"
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1563. # [18:24] <gcp> it probably broke phishing protection
1564. # [18:24] <Callek> mak: no big deal, I'm not in a HUGE rush for it
1565. # [18:24] <mak> so, not a good idea to merge it to central
1566. # [18:24] <mak> gcp: thanks for clarification
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1568. # [18:25] <Callek> I could land my c-c patch without that one merging but I don't want to break LDAP even in trunk hourlies for SeaMonkey
1569. # [18:25] <Callek> mak: I'll just await the next push
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1571. # [18:25] <mak> kk!
1572. # [18:25] <mak> we can probably do a second merge asap
1573. # [18:26] <Callek> (exactly why I asked)
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1576. # [18:26] <Callek> In a few hours I might even be in a position to watch m-c so I may do the merge later if no-one beat me to it
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1579. # [18:27] <mconley> !seen karkl
1580. # [18:27] <firebot> I've never seen a 'karkl', sorry.
1581. # [18:27] <mconley> !seen karl
1582. # [18:27] <firebot> karl was last seen 13 hours, 35 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying 'thanks' in #developers.
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1673. # [19:06] <ozten> How hard is it to get another project (Identity) added to http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/weekly-updates.fcgi/signup ?
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1679. # [19:06] <WordReferenceMike> Hi developers, I see an entry (Integrated translation service) in the Firefox roadmap that is directly related to my website. Does anybody know how I can find/contact the developers of that service?
1680. # [19:06] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg-bbl would know
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1685. # [19:07] <ozten> Ms2ger: thanks
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1687. # [19:07] <@khuey> ozten: anyone logged in can create a new project
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1690. # [19:08] <ozten> khuey: can you add Identity?
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1692. # [19:09] <Ms2ger> glandium, do you do thunderbird too?
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1697. # [19:10] <@khuey> ozten: there's already an Identity?
1698. # [19:10] <@khuey> http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/weekly-updates.fcgi/project/Identity
1699. # [19:10] <Mossop> WordReferenceMike: I don't believe anyone has started work on it yet
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1701. # [19:10] <ozten> Oh? When I go to sign up it lists which projects are you a member of?
1702. # [19:10] <ozten> I'll finish sign up
1703. # [19:10] <ozten> and see if I can add in a different screen
1704. # [19:11] <WordReferenceMike> Mossap, that makes sense. Is there any manager who is thinking about it that I could contact (and offer my help)?
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1708. # [19:12] <@dolske> WordReferenceMike: Probably a good first stop is Asa Dotzler (here on IRC as "Asa").
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1713. # [19:13] <jwatt> ozten: add youself to any relevant projects on the Settings page
1714. # [19:13] <WordReferenceMike> dolske, go right to the author? OK. Should I PM him through IRC here?
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1716. # [19:13] <ozten> Can someone PM me the "global password"?
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1719. # [19:15] <ozten> I'm good, thanks!
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1727. # [19:18] <@dolske> WordReferenceMike: irc or email, whatever works for you.
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1734. # [19:20] <Waldo> /msg ozten hunter2
1735. # [19:20] <@khuey> so
1736. # [19:20] <jhammel> Waldo++
1737. # [19:20] <@khuey> if I want to have a non-technical user fake the UA version
1738. # [19:20] <@khuey> to see if a site is failing on Firefox 10 because of the 2 digit thing
1739. # [19:20] <@khuey> what's the easiest way to have them do that?
1740. # [19:20] <jhammel> ya know, i should make my password hunter2 just so if i type it in a public channel no one will believe it anyway
1741. # [19:21] <WordReferenceMike> dolske, sorry to be so dense. Would his email be [his three letter name]@mozilla.org?
1742. # [19:21] <Waldo> jhammel: ******* as a password seems too easily guessable
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1744. # [19:22] <WordReferenceMike> dolske, never mind. I found it. cheers!
1745. # [19:22] <Mossop> WordReferenceMike: Yep that';; work
1746. # [19:22] <Mossop> khuey: One of the extensions that does it, UA switcher perhaps?
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1753. # [19:28] <nemo> jhammel: I think your problem is more that my default for john the ripper is adding numbers to the end of wordlist entries :)
1754. # [19:29] <lurking> khuey: have they try beta 11
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1760. # [19:31] <@khuey> lurking: no
1761. # [19:31] <lurking> heh
1762. # [19:31] <smooney> cpeterson...we are going to chat about mobile crashes
1763. # [19:31] <smooney> a few minutes
1764. # [19:31] <mwu> wesj: ping
1765. # [19:31] <cpeterson> smooney, thanks. I'll call in.
1766. # [19:31] <wesj> mwu: pong
1767. # [19:32] <mwu> wesj: so.. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726557
1768. # [19:32] <mwu> any thoughts?
1769. # [19:32] <nemo> jhammel: Loaded 1 password hash (Raw MD5 [raw-md5 MMX 32x2])
1770. # [19:32] <nemo> hunter2 (?)
1771. # [19:32] <nemo> :-p
1772. # [19:32] <wesj> mwu: that's by the spec
1773. # [19:32] <wesj> mwu: weird, eh?
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1775. # [19:32] <wesj> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/raw-file/tip/touchevents.html#widl-Touch-target
1776. # [19:33] <mwu> wesj: no idea really :)
1777. # [19:33] <mwu> I don't mess around with events enough to know
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1779. # [19:33] <wesj> mwu: I'll comment. thanks
1780. # [19:33] <mwu> wesj: cool
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1790. # [19:37] <mwu> uhh my bad
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1796. # [19:39] <decoder> paul: ping?
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1804. # [19:43] <jtcranmer> glandium: ping
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1814. # [19:45] <jlebar> smaug, ack
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1820. # [19:46] <jdm> mak: what sort of discussion about APIs are you looking to start on the newsgroups?
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1827. # [19:48] <mak> jdm: well, sort-of "I would like to address this issue by doing that thing, what do you think about that". The fact is that I'm not sure how we reached the decision to duplicate all APIs to make private versions of them...
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1829. # [19:48] <jdm> mak: the decision to duplicate was simply my first shot at a prototype for discussion purposes
1830. # [19:49] <jdm> since it was mostly mechanical changes and not hard to do
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1832. # [19:49] <mak> jdm: ah, ok, though I suppose there has been design/discussion on deciding an approach rather than another one. That I'm missing
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1837. # [19:49] <@smaug> jlebar: pong
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1839. # [19:50] <mak> jdm: and, approcing an approach on the first component will likely then cause us to follow it for all the others, so there should be some sort of global consensus
1840. # [19:50] <mak> jdm: ehr, I mean "choosing an approach on the first component"
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1842. # [19:50] <jdm> mak: the docshell-based approach is the only one that I've been involved in discussing; I'll check with bsmedberg about the profile-based one, but I feel like there have been reasons discussed in the past that I'm forgetting
1843. # [19:50] <jlebar> smaug, Oops; I misread <jmaher> jlebar: ping for "smaug"...somehow.
1844. # [19:50] <jlebar> jmaher, hey. :)
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1848. # [19:51] <jlebar> Oh, I see; smaug was talking near jmaher.
1849. # [19:51] <jmaher> jlebar: np
1850. # [19:51] <jmaher> jlebar: rss collection for linux: http://people.mozilla.org/~jmaher/sxs/sxs_linux.html
1851. # [19:51] <jmaher> jlebar: rss collection for windows: http://people.mozilla.org/~jmaher/sxs/sxs_windows.html
1852. # [19:51] <jmaher> jlebar: since Friday
1853. # [19:51] <mak> jdm: ok, keeping the feature page updated with these discussions may help understanding which problems we solved and which are open.
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1856. # [19:51] <jdm> mak: sure thing.
1857. # [19:52] <jlebar> jmaher, Hm, why is it so much lower for Linux, I wonder?
1858. # [19:52] <jlebar> jmaher, There's also some bimodality in linux-32 which isn't great. Maybe it's has/hasn't GC'ed.
1859. # [19:52] * jimm-lunch is now known as jimm
1860. # [19:52] <jmaher> jlebar: yeah, the bi-modal stuff is a bit concerning
1861. # [19:53] <jlebar> jmaher, Looks awesome on Winnt 5.1.
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1864. # [19:53] <jmaher> jlebar: yeah, the win stuff is cool
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1866. # [19:54] <jlebar> jmaher, So the two things I'd want to understand are: Why is the new data lower than the old data on linux-32/64 and win6.1. And why the bimodality on linux-32?
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1868. # [19:54] <jmaher> jlebar: that is something we need to figure out
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1871. # [19:55] <jmaher> jlebar: I want to double check some log files over the next day or two, then I can run some tests on my local staging server
1872. # [19:55] <jlebar> jmaher, This new data collects RSS via about:memory at exactly the same time that the old reporter collected RSS via the operating system?
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1874. # [19:56] <jmaher> jlebar: the new collects via about:memory
1875. # [19:56] <jmaher> jlebar: but not at the same time; the original test collects every 20 seconds
1876. # [19:56] <jmaher> the new way collects after every page load
1877. # [19:56] <jlebar> jmaher, Ah, so it's going to be way different because of that.
1878. # [19:56] <jlebar> jmaher, Then you average all the points?
1879. # [19:56] <jmaher> so as soon as we record the timestamp for the page load, we pull the rss numbers; then repeat
1880. # [19:56] <jmaher> jlebar: yeah, we average the points
1881. # [19:57] <jmaher> really it is a median
1882. # [19:57] <jmaher> jlebar: but that is why I wanted to look at a raw log or two to know exactly what we have
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1884. # [19:57] <jlebar> jmaher, okay. I don't think median is necessarily the appropriate measure here, but we can figure that out later.
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1887. # [19:58] <@bsmedberg> ozten: you're all set with the status board?
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1890. # [19:58] <jlebar> jmaher, So the fact that the data is collected at different times explains why the graphs look so different.
1891. # [19:58] <jmaher> jlebar: yeah, we have been revisiting the way we deal with the raw numbers
1892. # [19:58] <ozten> bsmedberg: I think so, thanks again
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1894. # [19:58] <jmaher> jlebar: yeah, just odd that it so much lower
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1896. # [19:58] <jmaher> but maybe after a page load it drops a little
1897. # [19:59] <jlebar> jmaher, jmaher, The bimodality almost surely has to do with whether or not we gc at some point.
1898. # [19:59] <gw280> why is expat.h a LIE
1899. # [19:59] <jmaher> still no explanation for the bi-modal stuff
1900. # [19:59] <gw280> :(
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1902. # [19:59] <jmaher> jlebar: could be
1903. # [19:59] <gw280> I can't include expat.h from skia inside the mozilla build because they don't typedef XML_Char
1904. # [19:59] <jlebar> jmaher, dunno why you only see it on linux-32.
1905. # [20:00] <jlebar> jmaher, Given how bogus every-20-seconds is, I'm happy to flip the switch whenever and start using this data. But at some point, we should revisit the metric entirely.
1906. # [20:01] <jlebar> jmaher, If you have a chance, you should speak with johns, who's doing something very similar for areweslimyet.com.
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1909. # [20:01] <jmaher> jlebar: oh, cool
1910. # [20:02] <jmaher> jlebar: I will watch this for a few days and try to flip the bit at the end of the week to only use the new RSS stuff
1911. # [20:02] <jlebar> jmaher, sounds good!
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1928. # [20:08] <kwierso> khuey: try this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/set-ua-to-9/
1929. # [20:08] <AryehGregor> Okay, so given an nsString, what's the best way to do the equivalent of: s = s.toLowerCase(); if (/[xyz]$/test(s)) s[s.length - 1] = s[s.length - 1].toUpperCase();
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1932. # [20:09] <@khuey> kwierso: heh
1933. # [20:09] <@khuey> did you just make that?
1934. # [20:09] <kwierso> yeah
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1948. # [20:12] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, sorry, I don't understand your JS :)
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1950. # [20:12] <AryehGregor> Convert s to lowercase, then if the last char is 'x' or 'y' or 'z', make that uppercase.
1951. # [20:13] <Ms2ger> That's an interesting use case
1952. # [20:13] <AryehGregor> Well, I could make a table of transform functions with their canonical case, but it so happens that they're all lowercase except the ones that end in 'x' or 'y' or 'z' have that uppercase, so this is a convenient shortcut.
1953. # [20:13] <AryehGregor> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-transforms/#transform-functions
1954. # [20:13] <Ms2ger> Ah
1955. # [20:14] <AryehGregor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=721136
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1958. # [20:15] <Ms2ger> nsContentUtils::ASCIIToLower(str);
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1962. # [20:16] <Ms2ger> PRUnichar c = str[str.Length() - 1];
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1965. # [20:17] <Ms2ger> if (c == PRUnichar('x') || c == PRUnichar('y') || c == PRUnichar('z')) { str[str.Length() - 1] -= 0x20; }
1966. # [20:17] <Ms2ger> Something like that, perhaps
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1978. # [20:21] <@bz> AryehGregor: ping?
1979. # [20:21] <AryehGregor> bz, pong.
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1981. # [20:21] <@bz> AryehGregor: so you want to take a string like "transLatex" and convert it to "translateX" ?
1982. # [20:21] <AryehGregor> bz, yes.
1983. # [20:22] <@bz> What other criteria are there?
1984. # [20:22] <@bz> performance?
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1986. # [20:22] <@bz> small amount of code?
1987. # [20:22] <@bz> future-proofing?
1988. # [20:22] <AryehGregor> I doubt performance matters too much.
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1992. # [20:22] <AryehGregor> Future-proofing, I dunno, conceivably. I'm not sure what other functions you'd want.
1993. # [20:22] <@bz> are these always going to be css prop names?
1994. # [20:22] <AryehGregor> These are function names, not property names.
1995. # [20:22] <@bz> oh, right
1996. # [20:22] <@bz> hmm
1997. # [20:22] <@bz> one sec
1998. # [20:23] <AryehGregor> All other CSS functions are lowercase always, I think . . .
1999. # [20:24] <@bz> ok
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2001. # [20:25] * @bz votes for this
2002. # [20:25] <@bz> nsCSSKeyword keyword = nsCSSKeywords::LookupKeyword(str);
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2004. # [20:25] <@bz> if (keyword == eCSSKeyword_UNKNOWN) { /* error handling */ }
2005. # [20:26] <@bz> else { /* Use nsCSSKeywords::GetStringValue */ }
2006. # [20:26] <@bz> note that this will hand out an nsACString
2007. # [20:26] <@bz> so you may have to convert back to UTF-16
2008. # [20:26] <@bz> and it may be more machinery than you really need in general...
2009. # [20:26] <@bz> but it'll be quite future-proof
2010. # [20:27] <@bz> and of course work for any keyword; dunno whether that's a good thing. ;)
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2013. # [20:27] <AryehGregor> GetStringValue() will return in lowercase, though, right?
2014. # [20:27] <@bz> hrm
2015. # [20:28] <@bz> though we list the keyword as "translatex"
2016. # [20:28] <@bz> so this doesn't do what you want....
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2019. # [20:28] <@bz> do we serialize as translatex() too?
2020. # [20:28] <AryehGregor> Currently we serialize as whatever case the author put in.
2021. # [20:28] <Ms2ger> elif keyword == translatex?
2022. # [20:28] <@bz> huh
2023. # [20:28] * @bz wonders how we manage that
2024. # [20:29] <AryehGregor> "tRanSlaTex( 5pX) " -> "tRanSlaTex(5px)"
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2026. # [20:29] <@bz> ah, we store the string directly
2027. # [20:29] <@bz> ok
2028. # [20:29] <@bz> so what use case do you need this for?
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2030. # [20:29] <AryehGregor> document.documentElement.style = "-moz-transform: tRanSlaTex( 5pX)"; alert(document.documentElement.style.MozTransform);
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2032. # [20:30] <AryehGregor> IE, WebKit, and Opera all normalize to "translateX(5px)".
2033. # [20:30] <AryehGregor> So it's just not interoperable, that's all.
2034. # [20:30] <@bz> ah, and we keep the original spelling?
2035. # [20:30] <@bz> do they also normalize "content: AttR(foo)" ?
2036. # [20:30] * @bz would assume we do not...
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2038. # [20:30] <@bz> but maybe we do
2039. # [20:30] <AryehGregor> I tested with uRl(), that gets normalized by everyone.
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2041. # [20:31] <AryehGregor> IE10 Developer Preview doesn't case-normalize AttR there, but everyone else does.
2042. # [20:31] <AryehGregor> Mind you, this is all undefined by CSSOM, naturally.
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2044. # [20:32] <Ms2ger> Heh, CSSOM
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2049. # [20:33] <@bz> url() is weird because we store that as a separate kind of cssvalue
2050. # [20:33] * @bz is not sure what happens for attr()
2051. # [20:34] <@bz> looks like the only caller of ParseFunction is ParseSingleTransform
2052. # [20:34] <AryehGregor> Yes.
2053. # [20:34] <@bz> so maybe transforms are the only case when we end up not normalizing.
2054. # [20:34] <AryehGregor> It should probably be named something more transform-specific.
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2057. # [20:35] <@bz> ah
2058. # [20:35] <@bz> we have a special unit for attr() too
2059. # [20:35] <@bz> ok
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2073. # [20:42] <jduell> bz: got a sec?
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2083. # [20:47] <@bz> jduell: yes
2084. # [20:47] <jduell> bz: so maybe the fastest thing is for you to read point #4 at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696085#c21
2085. # [20:48] <cpeterson> Question about orange tests: I pushed some Android-only changes to the try servers last night, but the result was orange tests on most platforms. I had pushed my Android-only changes on top of mozilla-beta tree, assuming it would be the most stable, but I got similar orange results. What should I do?
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2087. # [20:49] <AryehGregor> Aha.
2088. # [20:49] <AryehGregor> Of course, this produces "matriX".
2089. # [20:49] <Ms2ger> heh
2090. # [20:49] <AryehGregor> I knew I was being too clever for my own good.
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2093. # [20:50] <jduell> bz: ideally it'd be nice to be able to know the window != outer.inner thing *before* we launch the new websocket network connection.
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2098. # [20:51] <@bz> jduell: how about just checking in Init() and then adding a listener for when the window stops being the current one?
2099. # [20:51] <jduell> bz: how do I add a listener for that?
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2106. # [20:55] <jduell> bz: ^^^ ?
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2108. # [20:57] <snorp> josh: hey
2109. # [20:57] <@bz> jduell: yes, I saw
2110. # [20:57] <@bz> jduell: looking up things
2111. # [20:57] <snorp> josh: I think we may be leaking nsPluginInstanceOwner….know anything about that?
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2113. # [20:58] <snorp> josh: I suppose it could be something in the android code, though
2114. # [20:58] <@bz> jduell: so
2115. # [20:58] <@bz> jduell: the idea is that we want to run after all the content scripts, right?
2116. # [20:58] <josh> snorp: Can you reproduce?
2117. # [20:58] <snorp> josh: yeah
2118. # [20:59] <snorp> josh: nsPluginInstanceOwner dtor never called
2119. # [20:59] <josh> snorp: have you filed a bug with the repro steps?
2120. # [20:59] <@bz> jduell: simplestthing, I suspect, is to just register our stuff on the window somewhere
2121. # [20:59] <jduell> bz: I assume so? I want to run at any point where I know the WS should be closed
2122. # [20:59] <snorp> josh: no I just discovered it
2123. # [20:59] <snorp> josh: wasn't sure if you knew anything or not
2124. # [20:59] <@bz> jduell: and then in nsGlobalWindow::PageHidden kill them all off
2125. # [20:59] <@bz> jduell: though we still fire unload after that point...
2126. # [20:59] <@bz> jduell: one secon
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2128. # [21:00] <snorp> josh: I think I see the problem, actually?
2129. # [21:00] <snorp> josh: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1483773
2130. # [21:00] <snorp> josh: does that leak since GetOwner refs the return?
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2132. # [21:01] <Ms2ger> Probably
2133. # [21:01] * smontagu gets worried when all the frames in his frame tree begin 0x125bad
2134. # [21:01] <snorp> (and I don't use nsRefPtr or explicitly call DecRef)
2135. # [21:01] <jduell> smaug: so in bug 725804 you want to delete stuff that necko still has a reference to?
2136. # [21:01] <@bz> jduell: perhaps kill websockets in nsGlobalWindow::Freeze?
2137. # [21:01] <josh> snorp: that looks like android-only code
2138. # [21:01] <josh> snorp: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/plugins/base/nsNPAPIPluginInstance.cpp#1396
2139. # [21:01] <@bz> jduell: mrbkap might know better what the right place to hook into this stuff is. :(
2140. # [21:01] <snorp> josh: it is
2141. # [21:01] <@bz> jduell: or jst
2142. # [21:02] <Ms2ger> Nice
2143. # [21:02] <josh> that method does addref, the caller is responsible for releasing
2144. # [21:02] <Ms2ger> nsPluginInstanceOwner* owner;
2145. # [21:02] <Ms2ger> if (NS_FAILED(pinst->GetOwner((nsIPluginInstanceOwner**)&owner))) {
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2147. # [21:02] <Ms2ger> What? Interface?
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2150. # [21:02] <snorp> yeah, sucks
2151. # [21:02] <@smaug> jduell: not delete, but detect
2152. # [21:02] <jduell> bz: thanks, I'll ask them
2153. # [21:03] <jduell> smaug: detect that necko holds the last ref?
2154. # [21:03] <@smaug> detect if necko has any ref
2155. # [21:03] <@smaug> since if it has, cycle collector won't unlink the XHR/EventSource/etc
2156. # [21:03] <jduell> Well, basically necko holds a ref in between asyncOpen and OnStopRequest
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2158. # [21:03] <jduell> That's certainly the case for anything relying on an HTTP channel
2159. # [21:04] <jduell> or FTP
2160. # [21:04] <jduell> Websockets is a little different
2161. # [21:04] <@smaug> jduell: what about websocket?
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2163. # [21:04] <josh> snorp: you'll file a bug with a patch?
2164. # [21:04] <josh> I can review it as soon as you post it
2165. # [21:04] <snorp> josh: yeah, might just work it into this patch I already have
2166. # [21:04] <snorp> which fixes a bunch of lifecycle crap
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2169. # [21:05] <snorp> josh: if you were willing to review, though, I can separate
2170. # [21:05] <@smaug> jduell: though, in websocket I could perhaps use mKeepingAlive
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2172. # [21:05] <jduell> smaug: so what are you doing with the detected reference from necko?
2173. # [21:05] <jduell> How are you using that info/
2174. # [21:05] <josh> snorp: given that it is a pretty obvious leak that can be fixed in a targeted way, I'd do it in a separate patch so the fix isn't tied to your other fix (what if your bigger fix requires a backout?)
2175. # [21:05] <jduell> ?
2176. # [21:05] <snorp> josh: sure
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2180. # [21:06] <@smaug> jduell: If necko keeps objects alive, I can remove those objects from cycle collectors purple buffer
2181. # [21:07] <@smaug> since it is useless to traverse certainly alive objects
2182. # [21:07] <jduell> smaug: we could add some sort of "neckoIsHoldingRefToListener" attribute to nsIChannel
2183. # [21:07] <@smaug> and I can mark also all the script objects XHR/etc keep alive black
2184. # [21:07] <jduell> though it sounds like you're interested not just in listeners, but callbacks too
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2188. # [21:08] <@smaug> jduell: I assume some addons implement new protocols
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2191. # [21:09] <@smaug> is it required that they have similar behavior
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2193. # [21:09] <@smaug> that they keep stuff alive
2194. # [21:09] <jduell> smaug: my impression is that most addon protocols are wrappers around HTTP (I think that's what bz has told me)
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2197. # [21:10] <jduell> They could of course hang onto things for longer than that, but if this is just an optimization to skip checking for things necko holds, then you're still ok
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2199. # [21:11] <@smaug> jduell: so it is guaranteed that after asyncOpen there will be OnStopRequest
2200. # [21:11] <@smaug> even if there is some kind of error
2201. # [21:12] <@smaug> or someone aborts the request
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2203. # [21:12] <jduell> smaug: yes, so long as asyncOpen returns NS_OK, we'll call both OnStart and OnStop (with error code). That's a contract
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2205. # [21:12] <@smaug> ok
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2208. # [21:13] <jduell> smaug: but websockets don't map onto that concept, so they're different
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2211. # [21:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/817614044d46 - Mark Capella - Bug 725647. (Bv1a) test_embeds.xul: Use new openBrowserWindow(). f=sgautherie r=surkov.alexander.
2212. # [21:14] <@smaug> jduell: I think websocket is actually easier
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2214. # [21:15] <@smaug> it has already the flag I nee
2215. # [21:15] <jduell> smaug: which flag?
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2218. # [21:16] <@smaug> jduell: mKeepingAlive should work in most cases, I think
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2223. # [21:17] <jduell> smaug: looking...
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2227. # [21:20] <mib_73qcyw> hi
2228. # [21:20] <mib_73qcyw> please, confirm this bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678800
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2235. # [21:22] <Cww> jesup: I'd pay cash money or baked goods for a 8x improvement in GC times.
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2237. # [21:23] <Cww> (re your post yesterday... I was scrolled up)
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2242. # [21:26] <jesup> cww: yeah, that may be wildly optimistic - for the general case
2243. # [21:28] <jesup> Some applications can lead to close-to-linear speedups in GC (to a point; 6x seemed common in the paper I saw). Some show no speedup or even a small slowdown. Depends on roots and how things are linked I believe
2244. # [21:29] <jesup> smaug was interested in someone making CC parallizable - no one has ever done that. But CC is around 1/10th GC with his patches, normally
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2250. # [21:30] <jesup> igor is working on a patch that might help with enough cases to be useful
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2255. # [21:31] <jdm> mib_73qcyw: what do you want confirmed about it?
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2259. # [21:33] <Ms2ger> "Flash video does not play when flashblock is installed"
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2264. # [21:34] <mib_73qcyw> jdm: Conversion of the UNCONFIRMED status to the new
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2270. # [21:38] <jduell> smaug: so we don't set mKeepingAlive until the first time UpdateMustKeepAlive is called. From the debugger, that's during an AddEventListener call, but it's after nsWebsocket:Init is called
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2272. # [21:38] <jduell> so we've got a window where mOwner (the inner window ref) is set but mKeepingAlive is false
2273. # [21:38] <AryehGregor> data:text/html,<!doctype html><script>document.head.style.height = "0"; document.documentElement.textContent = document.head.style.height</script>
2274. # [21:39] <AryehGregor> "0pt" in Gecko, "0px" in everyone else. Does anyone know of a bug already filed?
2275. # [21:39] <@bz> AryehGregor: sounds vaguely familiar....
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2279. # [21:40] <jduell> smaug: s/window/time period/ :)
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2286. # [21:43] <AryehGregor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=393910
2287. # [21:43] <jtcranmer> glandium: ping
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2317. # [22:01] <Callek> BenWa: ping?
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2319. # [22:01] <BenWa> Callek: pong
2320. # [22:01] <Callek> BenWa: is something wrong with my computer+beta or did we drop the "second graphics card" data in about:support?
2321. # [22:01] <karl> mconley: would you be able to get a log with NSPR_LOG_MODULES=Widget:5 when the tests fail, please?
2322. # [22:02] <bsmith> kaie: FYI, I am going to push the patch for bug 713934 to m-i very soon
2323. # [22:02] <BenWa> Callek: Are you asking about windows dual gpu support? I haven't been involved with that. Try asking in #gfx
2324. # [22:02] <bsmith> as well as bug 710176
2325. # [22:02] <Callek> BenWa: (fwiw my comp did just freeze, I restarted samsung helper dialogs told me that system software was uninstalled, so I reinstalled its copy of the nVidea driver, and then reinstalled the newer ver of the nVidea driver and its showing as installed according to system right now, but not according to Firefox)
2326. # [22:02] <Callek> yea dual GPU support
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2329. # [22:02] <glandium> jtcranmer: pong
2330. # [22:02] <karl> mconley: also, i thought we'd disabled the screensaver on the test machines; what made you think about activating the screensaver?
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2332. # [22:03] <BenWa> Callek: windows right?
2333. # [22:03] <jtcranmer> glandium: a few questions
2334. # [22:03] <mconley> karl: it turns out we have gnome-screensaver installed on our Fedora VMs
2335. # [22:03] <BenWa> Callek: I've only looked at Mac dual gpu support which is very different from the windows one
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2337. # [22:03] <karl> mconley: yes, it is installed, but i thought we had settings so that it didn't run
2338. # [22:03] <@dolske> it's very important for preventing burn-in on the virtual monitors.
2339. # [22:04] * mconley shrugs
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2341. # [22:04] <mconley> karl: perhaps we did - perhaps those settings aren't working anymore. It's, again, a little out of my domain.
2342. # [22:04] <jtcranmer> glandium: I think you're probably best-placed to respond to bug 726653?
2343. # [22:05] <mconley> karl: but after removing the package from my reference VM, I'm unable to reproduce the problem
2344. # [22:05] <mconley> karl: it's all a bit spooky
2345. # [22:05] <karl> there were some bugs re the screensaver activating, i'll see if i can find what we changed
2346. # [22:06] <karl> mconley: though i don't yet understand why the screensaver would change things here
2347. # [22:06] <mconley> karl: me neither. Getting you a copy of that log.
2348. # [22:06] <karl> thanks very much
2349. # [22:06] <glandium> jtcranmer: not quite so, i'm not maintaining thunderbird in debian
2350. # [22:07] <jtcranmer> glandium: who is then?
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2353. # [22:07] <gaston> bsmith: and 707955 ? :)
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2355. # [22:08] <glandium> jtcranmer: Guido Günther and Christoph Goehre
2356. # [22:08] <bsmith> gaston: wrong bug number?
2357. # [22:08] <gaston> err
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2359. # [22:08] <gaston> 706955
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2363. # [22:09] <bsmith> gaston: I am waiting to hear back from Kai on it.
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2366. # [22:10] <gaston> okay, i just wanted to be sure it's still on your radar :)
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2369. # [22:14] <bsmith> gaston: FWIW, I think the problem that you are running into is in the tests or the test framework, and bug 707955 just helps re-mask it.
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2371. # [22:15] <jtcranmer> glandium: another, completely unrelated question
2372. # [22:15] <mconley> karl: so, funny story, we set NSPR_LOG_MODULES to be 'Widget:5', and NSPR_LOG_FILE to a file under /tmp, and after a run on build, lo and behold, the file is 0 length.
2373. # [22:15] <gaston> bsmith: the lock is during cache generation, not tests...
2374. # [22:16] <jtcranmer> is it possible to force a symbol in a library to be provided by, say, glibc as opposed to the executable itself?
2375. # [22:16] <mconley> karl: did...did I miss something?
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2378. # [22:17] <karl> mconley: do you have an opt or debug build?
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2381. # [22:17] <mconley> karl: oh, of course - that's right, our Mozmill tests are only run on opt builds
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2383. # [22:18] <glandium> jtcranmer: no
2384. # [22:18] <glandium> jtcranmer: well, depends
2385. # [22:18] <karl> mconley: there's a bug in our force logging code for nsWindow.cpp; let me look
2386. # [22:18] <glandium> jtcranmer: what do you want to do?
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2389. # [22:19] <jtcranmer> glandium: long story short
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2391. # [22:19] <jtcranmer> my compiler automatically adds in instrumentation which ultimately uses a runtime library
2392. # [22:20] <jtcranmer> that runtime library occasionally needs to use, say, malloc
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2395. # [22:20] <jtcranmer> but there's an application which defines its own allocator (bash, to be specific), which causes infinite recursion issues
2396. # [22:20] <AryehGregor> If someone says "r+ if you make such-and-such a change", should I request review again after making the change, or can I save them the trouble and set r+ myself in their name?
2397. # [22:21] <karl> mconley: i think moving this to the top of the list of includes will properly force logging in opt builds: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/gtk2/nsWindow.h#74
2398. # [22:21] <@khuey> AryehGregor: the latter
2399. # [22:21] <AryehGregor> khuey, okay.
2400. # [22:22] <@khuey> the point of that is that they trust you to make the changes without them looking at it again
2401. # [22:22] <mconley> karl: cool, thanks
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2403. # [22:23] <glandium> jtcranmer: fun times. you're pretty much screwed
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2406. # [22:25] <tbsaunde> glandium: is that really true? I'm far from sure but I feel like you might be able to do something clever by LD_PRELOADING libc and your runtime library
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2408. # [22:25] <AryehGregor> I don't get an option to set r+someone else when making an attachment, only + myself.
2409. # [22:25] <@khuey> AryehGregor: yes
2410. # [22:25] <tbsaunde> but I'm far from an expert on linking
2411. # [22:25] <@khuey> AryehGregor: you just set the commit message appropriately
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2413. # [22:25] <@khuey> what bugzilla says isn't important
2414. # [22:25] <glandium> tbsaunde: well, LD_PRELOAD won't allow you to select a specific implementation of a specific function
2415. # [22:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fea71e4280d6 - Olli Pettay - Bug 725768 - BBP for ObjectHolders, additional patch 2, r=mccr8
2416. # [22:26] <glandium> tbsaunde: it also won't allow malloc to resolve to one function from one lib in some cases and to the other function in other cases
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2418. # [22:26] <glandium> which, aiui, is what jtcranmer needs
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2421. # [22:27] <sfink> jtcranmer: do you control the runtime library? Can you make it dlopen(libc), dlsym(malloc)?
2422. # [22:27] <jtcranmer> yeah
2423. # [22:27] <jtcranmer> I was hoping there was a better technique
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2425. # [22:27] <sfink> statically link the runtime lib?
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2427. # [22:28] * jtcranmer wonders if that would actually work?
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2430. # [22:28] <tbsaunde> glandium: ok
2431. # [22:28] <glandium> jtcranmer: the actual fix is to have the runtime library use malloc
2432. # [22:28] <glandium> err, stop using malloc
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2435. # [22:29] <glandium> jtcranmer: does the runtime library need to allocate a lot of things?
2436. # [22:29] <AryehGregor> khuey, I don't have commit access. I guess I should just add the r= line to the commit message of the patch I attach, and the person who checks it in will notice?
2437. # [22:30] <@khuey> AryehGregor: if you post a patch with a set commit message, the person checking it in should use that verbatim
2438. # [22:30] <AryehGregor> Okay.
2439. # [22:30] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, yt?
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2442. # [22:31] <@smaug> I think hsivonen is on vacation or something
2443. # [22:32] <Ms2ger> Hrm
2444. # [22:32] <@smaug> until 20.2.
2445. # [22:32] <Ms2ger> Didn't you review text/html in DOMParser?
2446. # [22:32] <jtcranmer> glandium: I'm trying to figure out where exactly we call malloc :-)
2447. # [22:32] <@smaug> Ms2ger: probably
2448. # [22:32] <Ms2ger> Does it do the same as XHR?
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2450. # [22:33] <@smaug> in which way the same?
2451. # [22:33] <@smaug> XHR is async
2452. # [22:33] <Ms2ger> noscript handling and such
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2455. # [22:34] <@smaug> ah
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2457. # [22:34] <@smaug> that should be the same
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2459. # [22:34] <@smaug> if it is not, file a bug
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2461. # [22:34] <Ms2ger> Good
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2463. # [22:34] <jtcranmer> glandium: it uses std::map, so ...
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2465. # [22:34] <@smaug> Ms2ger: isn't DOMParser your spec
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2467. # [22:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/167b8460ef0d - Johnny Stenback - Followup fix for bug 723473, also make sure that the content type string remains valid while instantiating a plugin instance. r=josh
2468. # [22:35] <Ms2ger> The details of HTML parsing? Fortunately not :)
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2470. # [22:35] <@smaug> though, it is good to know how to delegate work
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2473. # [22:36] <glandium> jtcranmer: ouch
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2475. # [22:37] <jtcranmer> and mmap
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2480. # [22:40] <karl> mconley: fwiw, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585286 was the screensaver issue i remembered, but i doubt that's related to your issue, as you were running after the screensaver had been deactivated
2481. # [22:41] <mconley> karl: it's funny - the screen locks after the idle period on the main desktop, and then after unlocking, running the tests fail. All one needs to do is VNC into the other desktop (you don't even need to unlock the display!), and the tests pass again.
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2485. # [22:42] <Ms2ger> KaiRo++
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2488. # [22:43] <glandium> khuey: that was fast
2489. # [22:43] <glandium> 2 minutes and 10 seconds
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2492. # [22:45] <karl> mconley: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=631518 was another screensaver issue but that was with compiz and i think the slaves have metacity
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2498. # [22:46] <NeilAway> cviecco: I don't know whether you got an answer, but for that sort of thing I would try asking mrbkap
2499. # [22:46] <glandium> jtcranmer: though, why exactly is malloc a problem in your case? are you instrumenting bash?
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2503. # [22:48] <jtcranmer> yes
2504. # [22:48] <jtcranmer> bash defines its own copie of malloc
2505. # [22:48] <jtcranmer> s/ie/y/
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2507. # [22:48] <glandium> jtcranmer: ok. so in practice, you'd have the same problem with firefox
2508. # [22:48] <jtcranmer> probably
2509. # [22:49] <chrisccoulson> karl, ah, bug 631518 is still an issue for us as well
2510. # [22:50] <glandium> jtcranmer: so, yeah, the best thing you can do at your level, is, in the runtime library, to not use malloc and other such glibc functions directly
2511. # [22:50] <chrisccoulson> i keep bugging our compiz maintainer about it, but i think i'm just going to have to try and figure it out myself ;)
2512. # [22:50] <jtcranmer> that's what I was afraid of
2513. # [22:50] <jtcranmer> well, thanks anyways
2514. # [22:50] <chrisccoulson> jtcranmer, did you ping me again earlier?
2515. # [22:50] <glandium> chrisccoulson: is 710972 an issue for you?
2516. # [22:51] <jtcranmer> chrisccoulson: yeah, bug 726653 might be something you want to take a look at
2517. # [22:52] <chrisccoulson> glandium, i don't think that's an issue for us. we haven't hit it just yet
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2519. # [22:52] <chrisccoulson> i think we're only using --enable-gio on glib versions with that symbol in
2520. # [22:52] <glandium> chrisccoulson: ok
2521. # [22:52] <chrisccoulson> thanks anyway :)
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2523. # [22:53] <chrisccoulson> jtcranmer, yeah, i saw that. i'm not sure what the bug is really about though
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2525. # [22:54] * jtcranmer notes that the reporter has an @mozilla.com address
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2528. # [22:54] <Ms2ger> jtcranmer, doesn't mean much these days... ;)
2529. # [22:54] <chrisccoulson> oh, i hadn't noticed that
2530. # [22:54] <glandium> jtcranmer: the completely safe solution in your case would be to statically link a libc (dietlibc, klibc, glibc), and probably an stl library (libstdc++, stlport) too in your runtime library, and make it not expose any of the symbols from these libs
2531. # [22:55] <jtcranmer> okay
2532. # [22:55] <glandium> jtcranmer: because basically any glibc function could be diverted
2533. # [22:55] <jtcranmer> I need to look in more detail about the functions it needs to export
2534. # [22:55] <jtcranmer> s/export/import/
2535. # [22:55] <glandium> jtcranmer: there are widely used LD_PRELOAD things that divert open, for example
2536. # [22:56] <glandium> arguably, these are only going to be a problem if you instrument them
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2538. # [22:57] <jtcranmer> the other option is to detect recursion and bail :-P
2539. # [22:58] <glandium> jtcranmer: but anyways, these kind of runtime libraries for instrumentation code added by the compiler are usually better statically linked, or without any external dependency if you really need them dynamically linked
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2541. # [22:59] <jtcranmer> duly noted
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2543. # [22:59] <glandium> jtcranmer: are you trying the address sanitizer?
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2545. # [22:59] <kaie> bsmith, see the message I just sent to nss-dev, the release candidate tag is ready, do you want to push that?
2546. # [22:59] <jtcranmer> glandium: no
2547. # [23:00] <jtcranmer> (but it's not wholly dissimilar)
2548. # [23:00] <bsmith> kaie: yes. everything in your plan sounds good to me
2549. # [23:00] <kaie> ok thx!
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2551. # [23:02] <jdm> who understands XUL bindings?
2552. # [23:02] <Ms2ger> Nobody
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2554. # [23:02] <Ms2ger> But you probably want smaug :)
2555. # [23:02] <jdm> specifically, what magic occurs when a xul node specicies a preference attribute? does that bind to a binding in preferences.xml?
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2557. # [23:03] <jdm> oh wait
2558. # [23:03] <jdm> there are preference nodes earlier in the file
2559. # [23:03] <@bsmedberg> jimb: ping
2560. # [23:03] <jdm> that's interesting
2561. # [23:03] <jimm> anyone know how to disable this new safe mode dialog after a crash/termination?
2562. # [23:03] <@smaug> XUL bindings? what are those
2563. # [23:03] <bsmith> kaie: you did not update security/coreconf/coreconf.dep. I am going to do that as a local change
2564. # [23:03] <kaie> bsmith, no. yes please do it as a local change
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2566. # [23:04] <Ms2ger> Anyone else have issues with hg?
2567. # [23:04] <jhammel> Ms2ger: i've asked before, but do you mean philosophically or wrt hg.m.o?
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2569. # [23:04] <kaie> bsmith, you are free to remove the security/patches and clean the contents of the security/patches/README without review
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2571. # [23:05] <kaie> I don't think we need any review for that
2572. # [23:05] <bsmith> OK
2573. # [23:05] <Ms2ger> jhammel, I got remote: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host, but it went away again
2574. # [23:05] <bsmith> kaie: bug-717906-lowhash is also OK to remove, right?
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2576. # [23:06] <kaie> bsmith, yes it's included in that tag. gimme 20 seconds to reconfirm
2577. # [23:06] <kaie> bsmith, yes, OK to remove
2578. # [23:06] <bsmith> OK
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2580. # [23:06] <jimb> bsmedberg: pong
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2582. # [23:07] <@bsmedberg> jimb: in breakpad .sym files for both FUNC and STACK WIN records, does the parameter_size field include the return address which is pushed on the stack or not?
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2584. # [23:07] <@bsmedberg> i.e. would `void foo()` have a parameter size of 0 or 4?
2585. # [23:07] <jimb> bsmedberg: good god, man, I don't know
2586. # [23:07] <@bsmedberg> heh
2587. # [23:07] <jimb> bsmedberg: Let me look at the documentation I wrote years ago! :)
2588. # [23:08] <jimb> bsmedberg: (I think I can figure it out)
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2592. # [23:10] <jimb> bsmedberg: I would expect that void foo() would have a parameter size of zero: neither point of definition says anything about it including the return address size.
2593. # [23:10] <@bsmedberg> ok
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2595. # [23:10] <jimb> bsmedberg: Why do you ask?
2596. # [23:10] <@bsmedberg> I'm apparently insane
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2599. # [23:10] <@bsmedberg> the .sym file for this function says that its parameter size is 0xc
2600. # [23:10] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, that's normal, working on Gecko this long
2601. # [23:11] <jimb> bsmedberg: Are you helping ted figure out what .raSearch means?
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2603. # [23:11] <jimb> Or some other kind of insanity?
2604. # [23:11] <@ted> yes
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2606. # [23:11] <@bsmedberg> jimb: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/crashreporter/google-breakpad/src/client/windows/handler/exception_handler.h#301
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2609. # [23:12] <@bsmedberg> jimb: the calling convention is `thiscall` and we've already established that it's a bizarre variant of thiscall which passes `this` in EBX, not ECX
2610. # [23:12] <jimb> bsmedberg: right, two pointers + this
2611. # [23:12] <@ted> jimb: it's thiscall though
2612. # [23:12] <@ted> this goes in ecx
2613. # [23:12] <@ted> (except here where it's in ebx ha ha)
2614. # [23:12] <@bsmedberg> so there should only be two words of parameters
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2620. # [23:13] <jimb> You're looking at the caller, or the callee, to determine where things are passed?
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2623. # [23:14] <@bsmedberg> callee to see that EBX is this
2624. # [23:14] <@bsmedberg> caller kinda confirms, although the assembly is torturously optimized
2625. # [23:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/882cb76f5b34 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 718324. (Av1) Fix condition for packaging 'default*.png'. r=ted.mielczarek.
2626. # [23:14] <jimb> callee is more trustworthy anyway
2627. # [23:15] <jimb> but yeah, good to sanity-check
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2630. # [23:15] <@smaug> ted: when we do pgo, what all do we run for profiling?
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2632. # [23:16] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/build/pgo/index.html?force=1#151
2633. # [23:16] <@smaug> I mean, what all gets optimized
2634. # [23:16] <@ted> it's mostly sunspider + some CSS samples
2635. # [23:16] <jimb> bsmedberg: Is this using LTO? Because if all the callers are known, the compiler is free to use whatever calling conventions it pleases.
2636. # [23:16] <@bsmedberg> yeah, this is PGO
2637. # [23:16] <@ted> FWIW, we saw almost no difference in perf numbers between that and "start the browser and shut it down"
2638. # [23:16] <@bsmedberg> +LTO
2639. # [23:16] <@smaug> ted: would it be ok to add some stuff there
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2641. # [23:16] <@ted> smaug: do whatever you want :)
2642. # [23:17] <Ms2ger> Uh-oh
2643. # [23:17] * Ms2ger runs
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2646. # [23:17] <@ted> the MSVC optimizer is a mystery to me
2647. # [23:17] <@smaug> though, if all those pages are loaded, CC should run
2648. # [23:17] <@smaug> and gc
2649. # [23:17] <@khuey> it'll run at shutdown for sure
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2651. # [23:17] <jimb> ted: But you see what I mean about, if you can find all your callers, you can do whatever you like (as long as you're consistent) and nobody can tell. ("Nobody" meaning "debuggers")
2652. # [23:18] <@ted> jimb: i was directing that to smaug, but it worked equally well for that conversation
2653. # [23:18] <@ted> yes
2654. # [23:18] <jimb> :D
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2656. # [23:18] <@ted> jimb: the question is whether the optimizer remembers to write down what it did in the debug info
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2658. # [23:18] <@ted> msvc seems to be able to unwind these stacks most of the time
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2661. # [23:19] <@ted> so either it knows what it's doing or it's better at guessing than we awre
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2666. # [23:19] * jimb sings a happy "our debugger unit tests are in the JS engine's suite, so the compiler guys are on the hook not to break the debugger" song
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2669. # [23:20] <jimb> ted: Yeah, the debug info ought to accurately describe what was produced... :(
2670. # [23:20] <jtcranmer> bwahahaha
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2672. # [23:20] <jimb> So our interpretation of parameter_size doesn't get us good stack traces?
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2675. # [23:20] <@ted> well
2676. # [23:20] <@ted> from disassembling dbghelp.dll
2677. # [23:21] <@ted> it turns out that when evaluating program strings, dbghelp actually calls a callback function when it hits .raSearch[Start]
2678. # [23:21] * jtcranmer makes a point that the warranty probably doesn't permit you to disassemble programs
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2680. # [23:21] <@ted> the callback calculates .raSearch as %esp + length locals + length saved registers
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2682. # [23:22] <@ted> jtcranmer: i guess they shouldn't have shipped that code as part of a debugger with a disassembler then
2683. # [23:22] <@ted> "do not use this screwdriver to unscrew the screwdriver housing'
2684. # [23:22] <jhammel> jtcranmer: what? i'm outraged! almost as outraged as when redhat refused to offer tech support on my hand-compiled kernel :/
2685. # [23:22] <@bsmedberg> jimb: here's the disassembly analysis I did :-( http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1483855
2686. # [23:22] <@bsmedberg> there are definitely saved registers
2687. # [23:23] <jtcranmer> ted: it's more hilarious to see those disclaimers when looking at IDA :-)
2688. # [23:23] <@ted> jtcranmer: hah
2689. # [23:23] <Waldo> heh
2690. # [23:23] <@bsmedberg> ebx/esi/edi appear to be saved
2691. # [23:24] <@ted> bleh, google are pushing native client at GDC
2692. # [23:24] <@ted> "don't get locked into those app platforms, get locked into our other platform!"
2693. # [23:25] <jimb> bsmedberg: So, there's a 'ret 0ch' instruction at the end there, meaning "pop return address, and then add 12 to the SP."
2694. # [23:25] <jtcranmer> ted: I know some people think that Google's trying to push it as a web platform
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2696. # [23:26] <jhammel> ted: heh :/
2697. # [23:26] <@ted> jtcranmer: they're clearly pushing it as a gaming platform
2698. # [23:26] <@ted> which is pretty lame
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2703. # [23:27] <gcp> btw, our guy that was doing the HTML5 presentation at FOSDEM didn't seem to know about emscripten
2704. # [23:27] <gcp> I forgot his name
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2709. # [23:28] <@smaug> I must have missed that presentation
2710. # [23:28] <jtcranmer> by "web platform" I mean "convince other browsers to implement it"
2711. # [23:29] <gcp> when he was asked about native client he said something about Rust
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2713. # [23:29] <gcp> which I think isn't a good counterargument, if any
2714. # [23:29] <@ted> yeah
2715. # [23:29] <@ted> jtcranmer: ah
2716. # [23:29] <gcp> crosscompiling doom with emscripten to js is a great one, though
2717. # [23:29] <@ted> jtcranmer: yeah, i don't see that
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2720. # [23:30] <@ted> we're just crawling our way out of plugin hell
2721. # [23:30] <gcp> Rob Hawkes
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2723. # [23:30] <@ted> ah
2724. # [23:30] <jtcranmer> that's the impression I think they're trying to give off
2725. # [23:30] <gcp> lemme connect him to azakai
2726. # [23:30] <@bz> gcp: erm
2727. # [23:30] <jtcranmer> of course, there's also the dart stuff
2728. # [23:30] <@bz> gcp: who was this?
2729. # [23:30] <@bz> gcp: :(
2730. # [23:30] <@ted> jtcranmer: well sure, everyone making crap up on the web wants to convince you it's going to be a standard
2731. # [23:31] * @bz thought we were all on the same page about this stuff... :(
2732. # [23:31] <@khuey> bz: you'd be surprised
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2734. # [23:31] <Ms2ger> He. He.
2735. # [23:31] <@bz> khuey: apparently
2736. # [23:31] <@bz> khuey: I mean like basic things like "what rust is" and "why NaCl is a bad idea"
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2739. # [23:31] <@bz> khuey: maybe we should send a company-wide memo....
2740. # [23:31] <@khuey> bz: heh, perhaps
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2742. # [23:32] <gcp> its hard to stay on top of all what we're doing
2743. # [23:32] <Ms2ger> bz, I hear those people hang out on yammer ;)
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2745. # [23:32] <gcp> I only know about the doom port because I met azaik and he showed me
2746. # [23:32] <@bz> Ms2ger: heh
2747. # [23:32] <@bz> gcp: fair, but if you're going to talk html5...
2748. # [23:32] <@bz> anyway
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2751. # [23:33] <Ms2ger> Anybody can talk html5
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2753. # [23:33] <Ms2ger> It's not like anybody knows what it means
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2757. # [23:33] <gcp> he's a technical evangelist for us
2758. # [23:34] * @khuey mumbles something about how evangelists need to be on the right page
2759. # [23:34] <jdm> gcp: was it christian heilmann?
2760. # [23:34] <Ms2ger> I hear Opera did it first
2761. # [23:34] <Ms2ger> <gcp> Rob Hawkes
2762. # [23:34] <@bz> jdm: rob hawkes
2763. # [23:34] <jdm> oh
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2765. # [23:34] <@bz> anyway
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2769. # [23:36] <mounir> khuey: what's the issues about?
2770. # [23:36] * mounir is curious
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2774. # [23:37] <gavin> maybe you guys should shoot him an email rather than just complaining on IRC :)
2775. # [23:37] <@bz> indeed
2776. # [23:37] <@bz> ideally someone who was there
2777. # [23:37] <Ms2ger> Complaining on IRC is how we roll, though :)
2778. # [23:37] * @bz could send one based on secondhand info, but....
2779. # [23:38] <gcp> I'm doing this
2780. # [23:38] <Ms2ger> gcp++
2781. # [23:38] * aja noted no mention of html5 in 2012 roadmap
2782. # [23:38] <gcp> (and connecting him with azakai)
2783. # [23:38] <Ms2ger> gcp, I'm happy you're in my team :)
2784. # [23:38] <gcp> Mobile team for the win!
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2788. # [23:39] <gcp> wait, ms2ger wasn't in san jose...afaik...he wont get the joke
2789. # [23:39] <Ms2ger> ... Maybe
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2791. # [23:39] <gcp> he might have informants
2792. # [23:39] <kwierso> "we're all on the mobile team"
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2794. # [23:40] * kwierso , destroyer of jokes
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2800. # [23:44] <@khuey> mounir: issues?
2801. # [23:44] <mounir> khuey: forget it, I read the backlog
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2803. # [23:46] <aja> mounir: any more forms work soon, or have you been hijacked for higher priority stuff?
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2807. # [23:46] <Ms2ger> aja, yeah, b2g
2808. # [23:46] <Ms2ger> aja, looking for a job in forms? :)
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2811. # [23:47] <aja> reading earlier patches.....it got above my head
2812. # [23:47] <mounir> aja: I'm now working on webapi
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2814. # [23:47] <lurking_work> MattN: what component should bug 726759 be in ? still showing 'untriaged' - and I just posted a reply
2815. # [23:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/58054442448a - Frank Yan - Bug 695482 - Open 'Search Google for <selection>' in the foreground. r=gavin ui-r=limi
2816. # [23:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3af49eca2c77 - Frank Yan - Back out patch for bug 704538 because it's no longer needed. a=gavin
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2821. # [23:50] <@khuey> bah
2822. # [23:50] <@khuey> fryn--
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2824. # [23:51] <gavin> khuey: ?
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2826. # [23:51] <lurking_work> khuey: isn't that just for the probe ?
2827. # [23:52] <@khuey> lurking_work: that lands the actual behavior change, afaik
2828. # [23:52] <gavin> two changesets
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2830. # [23:52] <lurking_work> oh bah!
2831. # [23:52] * @khuey likes the current behavior
2832. # [23:52] <jimb> bsmedberg: That STACK WIN record for 48375e is calling ebx "$20".
2833. # [23:52] <gavin> khuey: I bet you're pretty good at switching tabs
2834. # [23:52] <lurking_work> khuey: me too - oh well -
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2836. # [23:52] <@bsmedberg> jimb: I wondered whether there were synonymns in play there
2837. # [23:53] <lurking_work> switching tabs is not the problem being interrupted when you want to read later is
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2839. # [23:53] <@khuey> I bet people who want to switch to the search results tab are too
2840. # [23:53] <gavin> people who want to switch are a majority, even of nightly users
2841. # [23:53] <@bsmedberg> jimb: oddly enough, some programs also explicitly mention $ebp, and I haven't figured out yet when they use which
2842. # [23:54] <jimb> bsmedberg: The postfix expression says, "the return address is at .raSearch; the caller's stack pointer is .raSearch + 4 (this matches breakpad's convention); and $20 is at .raSearch-4." And the machine code saves ebx four bytes before the return address.
2843. # [23:54] <jimb> Seems like they're calling esi "$23".
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2845. # [23:54] * @bsmedberg wonders if $ebp is the readonly incoming value and $20 is the outgoing value
2846. # [23:54] <@bsmedberg> and how you'd possibly know this without magic
2847. # [23:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/60edf587f4af - Kyle Huey - Bug 726241: XHR should not double AddFeature itself. r=bent
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2849. # [23:56] <jimb> What leads you to believe that 'this' was passed as ebx?
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2851. # [23:56] <jimb> bsmedberg: ^
2852. # [23:56] <@bsmedberg> jimb: nothing anymore, you've convinced me that it's being passed on the stack
2853. # [23:56] <jimb> Okay.
2854. # [23:57] <@bsmedberg> jimb: I was misreading the 0138375F mov esi,dword ptr [esp+0Ch]
2855. # [23:57] <jimb> And it seems like we know how we should be restoring other registers now...
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2857. # [23:57] <@bsmedberg> which I thought was referring to the immediately prior push ebx
2858. # [23:57] <@bsmedberg> when it was a word below that
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2860. # [23:57] <jimb> I'm kind of surprised that all those STACK WIN records have overlapping ranges.
2861. # [23:58] <@bsmedberg> it's an optimization
2862. # [23:58] <darktrojan> !seen dwitte
2863. # [23:58] <firebot> dwitte was last seen 9 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 8 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying 'dolske: o furtuna! http://procatinator.com/?cat=39' in #foxymonkies.
2864. # [23:58] <darktrojan> :/
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2867. # [23:58] <@bsmedberg> since typically pushes and pops come in pairs, the same program is often valid for the outside of a range
2868. # [23:58] <@bsmedberg> and a different program is valid in the middle
2869. # [23:59] <philor> darktrojan: he's probably in reed's basement
2870. # [23:59] <darktrojan> philor, locked up in a cage?
2871. # [23:59] <philor> http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/4744
2872. # Session Close: Tue Feb 14 00:00:00 2012

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