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# Session Start: Wed Feb 15 00:00:00 2012
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# [00:01] <darktrojan> mkaply, ping
# [00:01] <mkaply> darktrojan: pong
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# [00:01] <darktrojan> "you can change the line EnableProfileMigrator=1 to EnableProfileMigrator=1"
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# [00:02] <jhammel> its possible ;)
# [00:02] <mkaply> oops :)
# [00:02] <darktrojan> probably not helpful
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# [00:02] <mkaply> darktrojan: fixed. thanks
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# [00:16] <darktrojan> we should have a planet for microblogging
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# [00:16] <heycam> twitter list?
# [00:16] <jhammel> a small planet? ;)
# [00:16] <darktrojan> pluto
# [00:16] <jhammel> darktrojan++
# [00:17] <jhammel> darktrojan: i like it cuz its not a real planet :)
# [00:17] <darktrojan> heh :D
# [00:17] <jhammel> hmmm, and i could have k0s.org/mozilla/blog/micro
# [00:17] <jhammel> i kinda like that idea
# [00:17] <jhammel> though i would make *NO PROMISE* to confine entries to 140 characters ;)
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# [00:17] <darktrojan> I just realised I want to tell the world something, but A I'm not on planet, and B it's only a sentence
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# [00:18] <jhammel> heh
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# [00:18] <jhammel> my problem is that k0s.org/mozilla/blog is syndicated to planet and the ateam planet
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# [00:18] <jhammel> so i try not to put posts there that are short and more general
# [00:18] <Unfocused> darktrojan: the first is fixable
# [00:18] <darktrojan> yes it is
# [00:19] <jhammel> the second is also fixable; just cat /dev/urandom for the rest of your post
# [00:19] <darktrojan> maybe we should tweet #planetmo
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# [00:19] <jhammel> beh, if it involves tweeting i'm not interested ;)
# [00:19] <darktrojan> heh
# [00:19] <jhammel> unless i can hire someone to hook a blog to twitter
# [00:20] <jhammel> since the alternative, me finding a few hours to do it, will never probably happen ;)
# [00:20] <Unfocused> roc posts only hashes - a sentence would be a step up
# [00:20] <darktrojan> (also no, what I just tweeted wasn't it)
# [00:20] <darktrojan> haha
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# [00:20] <jhammel> i wouldn't know, i don't read twitter
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# [00:21] <darktrojan> Unfocused follows me
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# [00:21] <Unfocused> i do
# [00:21] <Unfocused> you should disown her
# [00:21] <darktrojan> hey, it's an improvement from IE7
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# [00:21] <Unfocused> or, er, threaten to take all your laundry to her
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# [00:22] <darktrojan> heh
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# [00:25] <whimboo> is someone compiling with clang on OS X Lion?
# [00:25] <whimboo> i get a build error for crashreporter
# [00:27] <mounir> njn: thanks for removing the review request, I was going to do it :)
# [00:27] <njn> mounir: np
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# [00:31] <jdm> agh 301 unread bugmail threads stop it stop it stop it
# [00:31] <jdm> everyone stop generating bugmail
# [00:31] <jdm> go play outside
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# [00:32] <jhammel> if we didn't have bugs this sort of thing wouldn't happen ;)
# [00:32] <mbrubeck> whimboo: I'd file a bug and make it block bug 574346. espindola has been fixing clang bugs.
# [00:33] <@khuey> jdm: regretting watching me yet?
# [00:33] <jdm> khuey: I'm going to mail 300 postcards to your house
# [00:33] <whimboo> mbrubeck: thanks
# [00:34] <mbrubeck> you can try disabling crashreporter in the meantime
# [00:34] <@khuey> jdm: you don't know where I live
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# [00:34] <biesi> he can mail it to the moco office
# [00:34] <whimboo> mbrubeck: already did it. it's not really necessary in debug builds in any way
# [00:34] <jhammel> i will put them on khuey's desk if you want ;)
# [00:34] <@khuey> jhammel--
# [00:35] <whimboo> mbrubeck: lets see if the process finishes now. the error wasn't really visible
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# [00:35] <whimboo> so not sure what caused it
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# [00:37] <jdm> lsblakk: ping
# [00:37] <lsblakk> jdm: pong
# [00:38] <jdm> lsblakk: looks like the esr closed tree hook is breaking any attempts to land on it
# [00:38] <darktrojan> there, 'add me to planet' bug filed
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# [00:38] <jdm> lsblakk: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714547#c29
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# [00:39] <lsblakk> jdm is the gap in comment 29 what also got into the commit comment?
# [00:39] <jdm> lsblakk: I wouldn't assume so, but presumably luke would know
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# [00:41] <lsblakk> jdm, luke - can you check your commit message? i see http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-esr10/rev/4da024346c77 landed mozilla-esr10 default with 'CLOSED TREE'
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# [00:42] <lsblakk> jdm: oh wait - let me check tinderbox/tbpl
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# [00:44] <ttaubert> anyone here familiar with DOMStorage events?
# [00:45] <NeilAway> bbondy: would you like me to file a followup bug to remove nsDir?
# [00:45] <bbondy> NeilAway: Yes pls, CC me.
# [00:45] <@smaug> ttaubert: what about them? they are implemented in a bit strange way, IIRC
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# [00:46] <ttaubert> smaug: I have code that registers a capturing listener on a <browser> element for the "storage" event
# [00:46] <ttaubert> I don't receive the event if the page misses an external stylesheet and an external script
# [00:47] <ttaubert> I don't get that
# [00:47] <@smaug> ttaubert: you do get some events?
# [00:47] <ttaubert> yes
# [00:47] <@smaug> very strange
# [00:47] <ttaubert> when I include a <link> and a <script> tag :)
# [00:48] <@smaug> you do get the events in the page?
# [00:48] <ttaubert> no
# [00:48] <ttaubert> that's another thing
# [00:48] <ttaubert> :)
# [00:48] <@smaug> but storage is working?
# [00:48] <ttaubert> yes
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# [00:49] <@smaug> I guess you should ask honza
# [00:49] <ttaubert> so the capturing listener works with the link/script tag, but a listener in the page itself never receives any 'storage' event
# [00:49] <@smaug> not Honza but the other honza
# [00:49] <ttaubert> mayhemer
# [00:49] <ttaubert> I know, he's not around :/
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# [00:50] <jdm> ttaubert: I don't understand what you mean by the capturing listener with the link/script tag
# [00:50] <whimboo> mbrubeck: doesn't seem to be crashreporter related http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1484428
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# [00:51] <ttaubert> jdm: so I do browser.addEventListener("storage", callback, true);
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# [00:52] <ttaubert> jdm: then I load this page in the <browser>: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1484432
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# [00:53] <ttaubert> jdm: when I remove the <link> *or* the <script src=".."> element I don't receive the storage event
# [00:53] <lsblakk> jdm, luke - in fact the hook needed updating and that is being done as we speak
# [00:53] <jdm> ttaubert: when you say remove, you mean physically delete the nodes from that page that you load?
# [00:54] <jdm> as in, before you load it?
# [00:54] <ttaubert> yes
# [00:54] <ttaubert> not dynamically
# [00:54] <jdm> o.O
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# [00:54] <ttaubert> I tried to find out why some page I found that was a sessionStorage tutorial fired the event
# [00:54] <ttaubert> and a local test case I wrote didn't
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# [00:55] <ttaubert> I ended up copying the whole page's source and that's what I found...
# [00:55] <jdm> how mysterious
# [00:55] <mbrubeck> whimboo: That's just a warning, right?
# [00:55] <jdm> and I'm struggling to find where the event is actually dispatched in nsDOMStorage.cpp
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# [00:56] <@khuey> jdm: line 2000 or so?
# [00:56] <ttaubert> jdm: I think here, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/src/storage/nsDOMStorage.cpp#2003
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# [00:56] <ttaubert> oh, yes
# [00:57] <jdm> khuey: yes, but we don't actually look like we dispatch an event there
# [00:57] <jdm> just a notification
# [00:57] <jdm> looks like nsGlobalWindow cares about that
# [00:57] <ttaubert> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/nsGlobalWindow.cpp#8575
# [00:57] <ttaubert> yes, this looks interesting as well
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# [00:58] <@khuey> jdm: yeah, that's slightly weird
# [00:59] <jdm> I vaguely remember reading the bug about the pending events in the global window
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# [01:00] <jdm> ttaubert: my first advice is to break in that observer notification and see if anything different happens between the two cases
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# [01:02] <ttaubert> jdm: in nsGlobalWindow?
# [01:02] <jdm> ttaubert: yes
# [01:02] <ttaubert> ok
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# [01:10] <jlebar> khuey, What's wrong with images coming out of cache?
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# [01:11] <@khuey> jlebar: if necko doesn't chunk things for us (which it doesn't when they come out of the cache) we sync decode anything under 150K compressed
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# [01:11] <jlebar> khuey, We'll sync-decode anything under 150KB when decoding previously-discarded images, too, I think.
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# [01:12] <jlebar> khuey, *that* I'd nom for snappy p1. Much simpler than multithreaded decoding. :)
# [01:12] <@khuey> jlebar: sure
# [01:13] <@khuey> I don't think we need multithreaded decoding if our main thread decoding isn't insane
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# [01:13] <@khuey> though we certainly still want it
# [01:13] <@khuey> and our main thread decoding is insane
# [01:13] <@khuey> but making it sane may be easier than exiling it
# [01:13] <jlebar> khuey, When we start putting not-huge images in the async decode pool, we might want to order them smallest-to-largest..
# [01:14] <jlebar> taras, So I just set the snappy priority to whatever I think it should be? Is there documentation on the different priorities?
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# [01:15] <taras> jlebar: we are still learning as we go. trying to loosely follow memshrink priorities
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# [01:15] <taras> P1 = painful or someone is working on it
# [01:16] <jlebar> P2 = probably want, P3 = we don't care. At least, that's what we do...
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# [01:16] <njn> taras: in practice...
# [01:16] <njn> - P1 means we sometimes look at it in a meeting
# [01:16] <njn> - P2 means I might look at it
# [01:16] <njn> - P3 means no-one ever looks at it
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# [01:18] <jlebar> khuey, I really need to get dinner now. Do you mind filing a bug on decreasing the sync-decode size (and perhaps decoding smallest-to-largest)?
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# [01:19] <taras> khuey: sounds like we should morph the bug into dealing with cached images in a saner way
# [01:19] <jlebar> taras, I mean, that bug is still valid, esp for multicore.
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# [01:20] <taras> i got the impression khuey no longer wants to multithread
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# [01:20] <jlebar> <khuey> I don't think we need multithreaded decoding if our main thread decoding isn't insane <khuey> though we certainly still want it
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# [01:21] <billm> kinetik: ping
# [01:21] <kinetik> billm: hi
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# [01:21] <taras> jlebar: yeah nm me
# [01:21] <billm> kinetik: hi. I'm having problems where a patch I'm working on is triggering bug 634564
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# [01:22] <billm> kinetik: I was wondering if you had any ideas about why that might be happening. I'm kind of at a loss. is there anything timing-dependent there?
# [01:22] <billm> my patch changes how the GC works
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# [01:23] <espindola> mbrubeck, btw, I was able to build with clang and -Werror with the last patches I sent
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# [01:23] <kinetik> billm: looking
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# [01:24] <@khuey> jlebar: we have a bug on file to do that
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# [01:24] <@khuey> jlebar: but it can't land until we fix style images not blocking onload because reftests will break
# [01:24] <@khuey> taras: ^
# [01:25] <jlebar> khuey, aha, fantastic. Can you cc me on that bug?
# [01:25] <@khuey> which?
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# [01:25] <@khuey> fixing imagelib or style?
# [01:25] <jlebar> <khuey> jlebar: we have a bug on file to do that
# [01:25] <jlebar> oh, imagelib.
# [01:25] <@khuey> k
# [01:25] * jlebar doesn't touch style.
# [01:25] <jlebar> ...not an ounce of it in him.
# [01:25] <jlebar> khuey, Thanks. :)
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# [01:26] <@khuey> jlebar: done (685516)
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# [01:26] <@khuey> the title may be slightly misleading to you
# [01:26] <@khuey> but the patch does what we're talking about
# [01:27] <jlebar> khuey, aha, I see. You get to rewrite that patch now that I changed everything, too. :)
# [01:27] <@khuey> bah
# [01:27] * @khuey should just give up
# [01:28] <@khuey> fixing something that was seemingly simple turned out to be this giant rats nest of problems
# [01:28] <jlebar> welcome to imagelib.
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# [01:29] <@khuey> it's not imagelib
# [01:29] <@khuey> well, not really
# [01:29] <jlebar> It's mozilla?
# [01:29] <@khuey> it's layout and gfx that screwed me over
# [01:29] <clever> khuey: i was just poking arround about:memory and noticed, layout->about:blank->styledata is 53mb, is that normal?!
# [01:29] <jlebar> I feel like it might just be me being naive about modules I don't hate yet.
# [01:29] <@khuey> clever: do you have lots of about:blank tabs open
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# [01:30] <@khuey> jlebar: yeah, I know the feeling
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# [01:30] <clever> khuey: more tabs then i can ever count, in several panorama windows, over 4 real windows
# [01:30] <clever> each of them is on about:blank until they get focus
# [01:30] <@khuey> clever: yeah, that's expected
# [01:30] <@khuey> clever: it's a tiny amount for each tab, loaded up over tons of tabs
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# [01:30] <clever> it doesnt try to share style data between those placeholders?
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# [01:31] <@khuey> it's ... complicated
# [01:31] <@khuey> dbaron or bz could explain it better than I could
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# [01:31] <clever> would it be posible to make those placeholders even more of an empty shell, like leave the whole <browser> element out?
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# [01:31] <clever> thought that may require major changes in sessionstore...
# [01:32] <kinetik> billm: nothing is jumping out at me. how easy is it to reproduce? i could try to debug it with your changes applied if that'd be useful.
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# [01:32] <@khuey> the frontend people say that'll break the shit out of <tabbrowser>
# [01:32] <clever> ah, so people have had the idea already
# [01:32] <zpao> (pretty much would)
# [01:32] <@khuey> I didn't say I didn't believe them
# [01:32] <zpao> :)
# [01:32] <clever> khuey: and theres no way to tell <browser> to just not load anything?
# [01:33] <billm> kinetik: it happens maybe 1/5 times or so on tinderbox. I can't reproduce locally. I've added a little debug info myself. you can see the results at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Larch
# [01:33] <@khuey> from some of my front end adventures I think adding whitespace might bring the whole thing tumbling down
# [01:33] <fryn> ooh, are you guys talking about not loading tabs until selected?
# [01:33] <@khuey> clever: well creating a <browser> creates an empty docshell
# [01:33] <@khuey> which loads about:blank
# [01:33] <@khuey> etc
# [01:33] <zpao> fryn: yea, except even less loading than we do
# [01:33] <clever> fryn: yeah, i have a bazillion in that state
# [01:33] <clever> fryn: just the about:blank's alone are eating 60mb
# [01:33] <billm> kinetik: the last two pushes add some debugging printfs. I managed to get some data here: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9334426&tree=Larch
# [01:33] * @khuey wonders if we can do things like not load certain stylesheets for about:blank
# [01:34] <fryn> oh man :/
# [01:34] <lsblakk> luke: any chance you can retry the landing of bug 714547 so I can confirm the hook is working now?
# [01:34] <clever> fryn: 15% of the total browser usage
# [01:34] <@khuey> do you have ABP?
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# [01:34] <clever> khuey: its disabled
# [01:34] <@khuey> ok
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# [01:34] <@khuey> certain addons (such as ABP) add stylesheets
# [01:34] <clever> actualy, its missing, i never put it on this profile
# [01:34] <@khuey> some of which are quite large
# [01:35] <clever> khuey: my own addon does aswell!
# [01:35] <clever> nsistylesheetservice
# [01:35] <clever> let me disable that and restart
# [01:35] <fryn> clever: is your name actually C. Lever? (b/c that would be awesome)
# [01:35] <clever> fryn: nope
# [01:35] <fryn> aww :P
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# [01:36] <fryn> clever: how many about:blanks does it take to use up that 60mb?
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# [01:36] <kbrosnan> fryn: /whois clever
# [01:36] <billm> kinetik: it seems to be working okay up until the last unblock onload. I don't know why it doesn't call the onload handler at that point. I added some more debug printfs in a second push, but it hasn't failed yet.
# [01:36] <clever> fryn: more then i can count in a week :P
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# [01:36] <jhammel> kbrosnan: except someone hacked the NickServ so now it just says "Not you, apparently"
# [01:36] <fryn> ah, ok. that's not that bad then...
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# [01:37] <clever> khuey: does nsIStyleSheetService::loadAndRegisterSheet keep one copy of the sheet, or one per tab?
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# [01:37] <kbrosnan> jhammel: not on my client
# [01:37] <clever> khuey: hmmm, seems my stylesheet is not to blame, still 65mb usage to about:blank after disabling and restarting
# [01:37] * jhammel was *lying*
# [01:37] <@smaug> very scary. I'm trying to write my first addon
# [01:38] <@khuey> clever: user agent sheets are loaded into every tab
# [01:38] <clever> let me try shuting the whole ext off
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# [01:38] <clever> khuey: but do they share the data pointer, or make a copy for every tab?
# [01:38] <@khuey> they pretty much have to be
# [01:38] <Waldo> anyone have a copy of IE10 and can test something for me?
# [01:38] <@khuey> clever: that's the part that's complicated
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# [01:38] <@khuey> I don't really understand what sharing goes on very well
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# [01:38] <@khuey> there definitely is some data that's duplicated
# [01:38] <clever> i was hopping that it would share and save me cpu, vs injecting a <style> with .textContent set
# [01:38] <@khuey> for each tab
# [01:38] <darktrojan> smaug: welcome to the dark side :)
# [01:39] <clever> khuey: would you think a <style> with .textContent set is better or worse then a user agent sheet?
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# [01:39] <@khuey> clever: 302 dbaron
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# [01:40] <clever> ?
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# [01:40] * clever looks up http status codes
# [01:40] <@khuey> firebot: google http 302
# [01:40] <firebot> khuey: HTTP 302 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_302
# [01:40] <@khuey> clever: I'm telling you to ask dbaron instead
# [01:40] <@khuey> :-)
# [01:40] <clever> yeah, i see it now
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# [01:41] <clever> wasnt expecting an http status code in irc :P
# [01:41] <@khuey> that happens here a lot
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# [01:42] <jhammel> wikipedia should be more clever and just return the status code
# [01:42] <@khuey> darktrojan: heh
# [01:42] <@khuey> darktrojan: what currency?
# [01:42] <@khuey> darktrojan: routing numbers?
# [01:42] <@khuey> etc
# [01:42] <clever> hmmm, one quick test shows that i'm not making about:blank any worse
# [01:42] <clever> i disabled my entire addon, and its still at 65mb
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# [01:44] <jhammel> khuey: 418 is better :P
# [01:44] <clever> khuey: 120mb for the system js compartment probly isnt good either
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# [01:44] <jhammel> 444 NO RESPONSE seems pointless
# [01:44] <jhammel> what, does the server just *NOT* return that?
# [01:44] <clever> jhammel: might apply for a proxy
# [01:45] <jhammel> clever: ah, true
# [01:45] <jhammel> which i guess nginx would be
# [01:45] <clever> proxy's have a hard time proxy'ing network layer errors
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# [01:45] <clever> some proxy's are PURE EVIL and insert plain-text in the middle of a reply when the connection fails :P
# [01:46] <jhammel> again, 418 would be better :P
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# [01:46] <jhammel> No wonder i'm not getting a response! I'm talking to a damn teapot!
# [01:46] <clever> lol
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# [01:47] <clever> fryn, khuey: loosing another 50mb to about:blank's compartment!
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# [01:48] <@khuey> you loosed it?
# [01:48] <clever> (s)
# [01:48] <fryn> ah, well i work on the <tabbrowser> (front-end) bits, so
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# [01:48] <fryn> unless the problem is there,
# [01:48] <@dbaron> clever, what do you mean by that?
# [01:48] <fryn> i can't really help you.
# [01:48] <clever> if i was to insert a <style> into a content level dom page, on page load
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# [01:48] <@dbaron> clever, are you talking about something you'd do in a Web page? in a Firefox extension?
# [01:49] <clever> dbaron: would it be any better/worse then using nsIStyleSheetService::loadAndRegisterSheet
# [01:49] <clever> dbaron: extension
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# [01:49] <@khuey> fryn: well, arguably the problem is there ;-)
# [01:49] <@dbaron> clever, so messing with the DOM of a page is a bad idea, since the page may well make (reasonable) assumptions about its own DOM
# [01:49] <@khuey> fryn: if tabbrowser didn't insist on creating all these empty <browser>s
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# [01:49] <@dbaron> clever, why wouldn't you want to use a user-agent or user sheet?
# [01:50] <clever> dbaron: i am using a agent sheet, thru nsIStyleSheetService::loadAndRegisterSheet, was just wondering which is better for memory/cpu performance
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# [01:50] <@dbaron> clever, so using a user-agent sheet is only going to create the sheet once, a <style> will end up with a separate sheet structure for each page, so the user-agent sheet is pretty clearly better there
# [01:50] <@dbaron> clever, but as I said, it's also better in terms of not messing with the page
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# [01:51] <clever> dbaron: was asking khuey about how much it actualy shares between tabs and how much it copies, but its complicated...
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# [01:52] <clever> 14 20:31:13 < clever> khuey: but do they share the data pointer, or make a copy for every tab?
# [01:52] <clever> 14 20:31:21 <@khuey> clever: that's the part that's complicated
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# [01:55] <@khuey> where does one file bugs on BrowserID?
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# [01:57] <clever> dbaron: any idea on what the answer to that might be?
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# [01:58] <gavin> khuey: maybe Mozilla Labs :: Identity?
# [01:58] <@khuey> wfm
# [01:58] <gavin> there seems to be browserid bugs in that component already
# [01:58] <Matti> gavin is right
# [01:58] <@khuey> excellent
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# [02:00] <Matti> or it's https://github.com/mozilla/browserid
# [02:00] <@khuey> github is not an acceptable answer :-)
# [02:00] <jhammel> khuey++
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# [02:01] <Matti> yeah, it would be a shame if we wouldn't track bugs in browserid in bmo
# [02:02] <billm> kinetik: I got another one, and it looks interesting: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9340348&tree=Larch#error0
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# [02:05] <clever> khuey: while i'm here, ive got a recent anoying bug in nightly
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# [02:06] <clever> khuey: any time an ad in a <iframe> fails to load, the <button label="retry"> steals focus, usualy causing it to scroll down 90% of the page
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# [02:06] <@khuey> clever: for focus you want Enn
# [02:06] <clever> and because focus is on the iframe, pageup/home dont do crap
# [02:06] <clever> Enn: !
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# [02:12] <Enn> clever: does the code have something in it which causes it to be focused?
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# [02:13] <clever> Enn: its the normal mozilla error page about the connection failing to load the page
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# [02:13] <Enn> I meant the page being loaded
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# [02:13] <clever> Enn: none that i know of, before this bug it would just sit at the top after loading
# [02:14] <Enn> this is a regression?
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# [02:14] <clever> Enn: ive never seen it happen before myself
# [02:14] <dholbert> fantasai, ping?
# [02:16] <clever> Enn: now that i'm trying to find a page that does it, i cant find any ad's!
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# [02:18] <fantasai> dholbert: pong
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# [02:18] <Jesse> configure:2557: checking whether the C compiler (gcc-4.2 ) works
# [02:18] <Jesse> configure:2573: gcc-4.2 -o conftest conftest.c 1>&5
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# [02:18] <Jesse> Users/jruderman/trees/mozilla-central/configure: line 2572: gcc-4.2: command not found
# [02:18] <Jesse> wtf
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# [02:18] <Jesse> it worked before
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# [02:19] <dholbert> fantasai, I had a question about pagination in flexboxes (Alex added some text to the spec in the last day or so)
# [02:19] <fantasai> dholbert: I haven't read the text yet, but yeah? :)
# [02:19] <dholbert> fantasai, and he mentioned that there was more coming that resulted from a discussion from you, so I was wondering if I could run my question by you in case my assumptions are wrong. :)
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# [02:19] <fantasai> dholbert: sure
# [02:20] <fantasai> dholbert: I'm not sure we came to any good conclusions, really...
# [02:20] <dholbert> fantasai, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1484469
# [02:20] <Jesse> hi fantasai :)
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# [02:20] <dholbert> fantasai, (^ copypasted from a WIP www-style email)
# [02:20] <fantasai> dholbert: talked about paginating vertical multiline flexboxes. It's a bad problem to have..
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# [02:21] <fantasai> dholbert: Nice question
# [02:21] <fantasai> dholbert: :)
# [02:21] <fantasai> dholbert: I don't have an answer
# [02:21] <dholbert> fantasai, thanks :) OK
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# [02:22] <fantasai> dholbert: suggestion - distribute flexibility in proportion to the proportion of unflexed flex item
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# [02:22] <fantasai> dholbert: in the fragment there
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# [02:22] <fantasai> s/there/on that page/
# [02:22] <dholbert> fantasai, OK -- so suppose we're specifying flexibility with flex()
# [02:22] <dholbert> do we distribute the preferred-width component, too? :)
# [02:22] <fantasai> dholbert: You'll wind up with fractional flexes per fragment
# [02:22] <dholbert> er preferred-size
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# [02:23] <fantasai> dholbert: yes
# [02:23] <fantasai> dholbert: I'm not sure how much that makes sense :) Just a thought
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# [02:23] <fantasai> dholbert: question would be, what does that layout result in
# [02:23] <fantasai> dholbert: is it sensical..
# [02:23] <dholbert> fantasai, yeah :) that was my initial hunch, too, but I suspect it could produce odd results
# [02:24] <fantasai> dholbert: anything will produce odd results in many cases, I thin
# [02:24] <dholbert> heh
# [02:24] <fantasai> dholbert: The goal should be to produce obviously correct results in the simple cases
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# [02:24] <dholbert> yeah
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# [02:24] <fantasai> dholbert: insofar as possible :)
# [02:25] <fantasai> dholbert: e.g. zero-based flexes with 1px grid of possible breakpoints
# [02:25] <fantasai> dholbert: or preferred-size based flexes with 1px grid of possible breakpoints
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# [02:25] <fantasai> dholbert: weirder results when breakpoints are spaced out, of course
# [02:26] <dholbert> fantasai, I'm worried about cases where we'd e.g. end up with a small enough flex on the second page (with respect to the later items that also fall on that page) that the content won't fit
# [02:26] <fantasai> dholbert: hm
# [02:27] <fantasai> dholbert: if you have content-based sizes, that shouldn't be a problem...
# [02:27] <fantasai> dholbert: for absolute sizes, though...
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# [02:27] <fantasai> dholbert: you can't calculate a proportion until you know the flexed result, hm
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# [02:28] <clever> Enn: hmmm, i dont see any obvious problems in netError.xhtml
# [02:28] <fantasai> dholbert: the problem is that pagination changes the preferred size
# [02:28] <fantasai> dholbert: if it's content-based size
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# [02:28] <fantasai> dholbert: if it's not, you can just distribute the size as if the flexbox was unbroken, no problem
# [02:29] <fantasai> dholbert: maybe
# [02:29] <fantasai> dholbert: you calculate an unbroken flexbox first
# [02:30] <fantasai> dholbert: then you find the breakpoint
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# [02:30] <fantasai> dholbert: or rather, two breakpoints, one on either side
# [02:30] <fantasai> dholbert: then...
# [02:30] <kinetik> billm: sorry, was at lunch, looking again now
# [02:30] <mattwoodrow> AryehGregor: ping
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# [02:31] <billm> kinetik: thanks
# [02:31] <fantasai> dholbert: you try the later break point and recalculate flex on the current page, see if that checks out or if you wind up with negative available space
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# [02:31] <fantasai> dholbert: if it's ok, you break there, move to the next page and do again
# [02:32] <fantasai> dholbert: if it's not ok, you break at the earlier point, then move to the next page and do again
# [02:32] <fantasai> dholbert: Or maybe you pick the closer breakpoint, rather than the later one necessarily
# [02:32] <fantasai> dholbert: yeah, that sounds better
# [02:32] <fantasai> dholbert: Ok, try this
# [02:32] <fantasai> 1. Flow the flexbox as if it were unbroken
# [02:33] <fantasai> 2. Place the flexbox on the page, and when you get to a break, find the two breakpoints on either side of the page break
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# [02:34] <dholbert> fantasai, sounds good so far (why "two breakpoints" though? not one breakpoint?)
# [02:34] <fantasai> 3. Pick the breakpoint after the page break, and recompute flex on the first page as if that was all there was
# [02:34] <fantasai> (for some definition of that)
# [02:34] <dholbert> (ah)
# [02:35] <fantasai> 4. If that checks out (no negative flexes to distribute), move to the next page. If it doesn't check out, pick the earlier breakpoint and flex the result.
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# [02:35] <fantasai> 5. Move to the next page and repeat for this fragment
# [02:35] <dholbert> fantasai, (RE #4: suppose there were already negative flexes to distribute though?)
# [02:35] <fantasai> hmmm
# [02:35] <dholbert> (e.g. suppose your flexbox has "height: 30in" and your items are taller than that though)
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# [02:36] <dholbert> I suspect we might want to just pick the earlier breakpoint up-front
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# [02:37] <fantasai> dholbert: It's better to bunch things at the top than the bottom, visually, I think..
# [02:37] <fantasai> dholbert: But more than that, I'm concerned that later in the flexbox, what if there isn't enough flex left?
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# [02:37] <fantasai> dholbert: You could try picking the closest one
# [02:37] <dholbert> fantasai, I'm wondering if we might just want to run the flex algorithm once, up-front
# [02:37] <dholbert> and then "not enough flex left" won't matter
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# [02:38] <fantasai> dholbert: you have to rerun it, because your breakpoints change the size of your elements...
# [02:38] <dholbert> fantasai, I'm not sure we do -- we could just change the heights of those elements as-necessary while leaving all other resolved heights as-is
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# [02:39] <fantasai> dholbert: Then you'll overlap
# [02:39] <fantasai> dholbert: I mean, it's fine to do that if it's an auto-height box, but then you're not flexing anything are you :)
# [02:39] <dholbert> so -- the flexbox will end up taller than its specified height, you mean?
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# [02:39] <fantasai> dholbert: Yeah
# [02:40] <fantasai> dholbert: Goal is to avoid creating overflow situations by paginating an otherwise non-overflowing and well-constructed page
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# [02:41] <dholbert> fantasai, yeah, so that's definitely true (single-run-of-algorithm could easily produce a taller flexbox). That's unavoidable in some circumstances anyway, though
# [02:41] <Waldo> anyone want to claim familiarity with WebIDL to say what's specified if you call a method with fewer arguments than it's specified to take (and none of those elements are optional)?
# [02:41] <dholbert> fantasai, but it sounds like we want to minimize the frequency of that
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# [02:42] <fantasai> dholbert: Well, I certainly do :)
# [02:42] <dholbert> fantasai, (e.g. suppose our items are un-splittable and un-flexible, and they exactly fit in the flexbox, and one of them overlaps a page-boundary)
# [02:42] <fantasai> dholbert: imo we should be doing our best to avoid overflow
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# [02:42] <fantasai> dholbert: Then you push it down, and the result will overflow
# [02:42] <fantasai> dholbert: but typically you're using flexbox because you have some flexibility
# [02:43] <dholbert> fantasai, right, yeah
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# [02:43] <fantasai> dholbert: so... anything else? :)
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# [02:44] <dholbert> fantasai, one more question (typing into pastebin, 1 min)
# [02:44] <dholbert> fantasai, (thanks! :))
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# [02:47] <dholbert> fantasai, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1484485
# [02:47] <dholbert> fantasai, I'm 90% sure we want (1) there, but just wanted a sanity-check :)
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# [02:54] <fantasai> dholbert: Yeah... I don't remember what's a good answer there.
# [02:54] <dholbert> fantasai, If we think of the items as words of text, then (1) is what we'd want
# [02:54] <fantasai> dholbert: yep, fair enough
# [02:54] <dholbert> and IIRC multiline flexbox is supposed to conceptually work kind of like text
# [02:55] <dholbert> fantasai, cool
# [02:55] <fantasai> dholbert: right so now what happens if a box is too big to fit?
# [02:55] <dholbert> fantasai, w/ my patches? I think we'll just truncate it, though I haven't actually tested it. :)
# [02:56] <dholbert> fantasai, I'm not worrying about pagination yet, implementation-wise
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# [02:56] <dholbert> (in part because there was no spec text on it up until today) :)
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# [02:57] <fantasai> dholbert: I hope you're treating flexboxes as "please don't break me" if they aren't paginating well...
# [02:57] <dholbert> fantasai, how do I express that request?
# [02:57] <dholbert> fantasai, I kinda assumed that was the default
# [02:58] <fantasai> dholbert: I think... abort reflow when you run out of availableHeight and send back a truncated status?
# [02:58] <dholbert> OK
# [02:58] <fantasai> dholbert: don't do it if you're at the top of the page
# [02:58] <fantasai> :)
# [02:59] <dholbert> gotcha. So that gives us the opportunity to be first on the next page, and get as much space as possible
# [02:59] <fantasai> right
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# [03:04] <Jesse> to debug clang builds of firefox, do you use gdb or lldb?
# [03:04] <gavin> I use printf
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# [03:05] <Waldo> Jesse: gdb, I don't believe lldb is nearly as far along as clang is
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# [03:07] <billm> kinetik: if I can't fix this problem, would it be acceptable to disable the test until someone more knowledgeable than me can fix it?
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# [03:11] <rillian> is there anything like dominspector for anonymous/xul content?
# [03:12] <kinetik> billm: i'd rather not, but it's a possibility
# [03:13] <mfinkle> rillian, domi supports anon content
# [03:13] <mfinkle> should be a menu item
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# [03:14] <kinetik> billm: if you push more logging, add some to content/media/nsMediaStream.cpp in MoveLoadsToBackground
# [03:14] <rillian> mfinkle, aha, thanks. should anonymous content like the media element controls be in the chrome document?
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# [03:15] <kinetik> billm: and OnStopRequest where it monkeys with the load flags
# [03:15] <mfinkle> rillian, not if the medai control is in content
# [03:15] <rillian> it's looking like it's not content or chrome
# [03:16] <rillian> but I don't really know what 'anonymous' means
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# [03:16] <billm> kinetik: ok, so you think the background flag is set? is there any place where that would normally happen in this test?
# [03:18] <kinetik> billm: they're moved into the background when the media element unblocks the load (see nsHTMLMediaElement.cpp in ChangeDelayLoadStatus)
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# [03:19] <njn> anyone know about our string implementations? (other than bz...)
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# [03:19] <billm> kinetik: I'm confused. the onload handler is only called if the background flag is not set. is there a separate flag for each video?
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# [03:20] <njn> specifically, I think nsTSubstring_CharT::mData always points to the data section of an nsStringBuffer, except in the case where it points to sEmptyBuffer. But I'm not certain about this.
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# [03:22] <kinetik> billm: right, each media element's channel is in the foreground initially, and is moved into the background at the same time the element unblocks the document load
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# [03:23] <@khuey> njn: I believe that's correct
# [03:23] <njn> khuey: it's awful that sEmptyBuffer isn't itself an nsStringBuffer
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# [03:23] <njn> khuey: I think I can check for the F_VOIDED flag in the sEmptyBuffer case? I've been using mLength > 0 up until now
# [03:24] <billm> kinetik: which happens first, the backgrounding or the unblocking?
# [03:24] <kinetik> billm: backgrounding
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# [03:25] <billm> kinetik: but RemoveRequest doesn't do anything if the background flag is set
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# [03:26] <@khuey> njn: iirc Void and mLength > 0 are not the same
# [03:26] <@khuey> njn: e.g. ""
# [03:26] <@khuey> it's an artifact of the way strings work in the DOM
# [03:26] <njn> khuey: so checking for Void is better in my case (memory reporting)?
# [03:27] <njn> khuey: i.e. IsVoid iff (mData==sEmptyBuffer)
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# [03:29] <@bz> IsVoid() is just a binary flag
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# [03:29] <@bz> IsVoid() implies the string is empty, though
# [03:29] <@bz> but not vice versa
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# [03:30] <@khuey> right, what bz said
# [03:30] <njn> bz: from earlier: "I think nsTSubstring_CharT::mData always points to the data section of an nsStringBuffer, except in the case where it points to sEmptyBuffer. But I'm not certain about this."
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# [03:31] <@bz> you can have sEmptyBuffer without F_VOIDED
# [03:31] <@bz> njn: mData can point to arbitrary stuff
# [03:31] <@bz> njn: it points to an nsStringBuffer iff F_SHARED
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# [03:31] <njn> bz: I find http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/string/public/nsTSubstring.h#779 horribly confusing
# [03:31] <@bz> njn: if F_OWNED then it just points to a chunk of memory the flag owns
# [03:31] <@bz> er, the string owns
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# [03:32] <@bz> hmm
# [03:32] * @bz thought that comment described things prety well
# [03:32] <@bz> what's confusing?
# [03:32] <njn> bz: how "shared"/"dependent"/"adopted" relate to the F_ constants
# [03:33] <@bz> ah
# [03:33] <njn> "shared"==F_SHARED, obviously
# [03:33] <@bz> shared if and only if F_SHARED
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# [03:33] <@bz> "adopted" if and only if F_OWNED
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# [03:34] <@bz> "dependent" == "neither of those flags is set"
# [03:34] <njn> bz: what about F_FIXED?
# [03:34] <@bz> F_FIXED means that the buffer is neither a string buffer nor a heap-alloaction that needs to be freed, but is writable
# [03:35] <@bz> in practice what that means is that we're a subclass that has a buffer inside it
# [03:35] <@bz> and we're pointing to that buffer
# [03:35] <@bz> so it's "dependent" but we're the only ones who have access to it
# [03:35] <@bz> This is the nsAutoString case, basically.
# [03:36] <@bz> I agree that the F_FIXED part is confusing
# [03:36] <njn> and the inconsistent terminology
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# [03:36] <@bz> Esp. the disagreement between the comment on F_FIXED itself and the "mutually exclusive" comment
# [03:37] <njn> yeah
# [03:37] <@bz> in any case, for memory reporting purposes the only interesting cases are F_SHARED and F_OWNED
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# [03:37] <@bz> Because F_FIXED would be counted in the allocation for the string object itself
# [03:37] <njn> bz: I currently have this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1484502
# [03:38] <njn> F_FIXED is an inline buffer? oh, I see
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# [03:39] <@bz> yeah, the upshot is that F_FIXED means we're a subclass of nsString with an inline buffer and are pointing to it right now
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# [03:40] <njn> bz: and the case where none of FIXED/SHARED/OWNED is set?
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# [03:40] <@bz> That case is an actual dependent string
# [03:40] <@bz> as in, just pointing to memory owned by someone else
# [03:40] <njn> i.e. someone else owns it so just ignore it?
# [03:40] <@bz> yes
# [03:41] <@bz> I don't think you need the explicit F_VOIDED check
# [03:41] <@bz> 808 // F_VOIDED implies F_TERMINATED, and moreover it implies that mData
# [03:41] <@bz> 809 // points to char_traits::sEmptyBuffer. Therefore, F_VOIDED is
# [03:41] <@bz> 810 // mutually exclusive with F_SHARED, F_OWNED, and F_FIXED.
# [03:41] <njn> bz: I'm tempted to include it for documentation purposes
# [03:41] <@bz> ah
# [03:41] <@bz> ok
# [03:41] <@bz> either way
# [03:42] <@bz> As long as you document that it's there just for documentation purposes? ;)
# [03:42] <njn> bz: and treat the F_FIXED case separately from the dependent case, even though they'd both return 0
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# [03:42] <njn> eh, maybe I can fold them and write one comment
# [03:42] <@bz> Patch looks fine
# [03:42] <masayuki> roc: I'd like to create a new class for managing IME composition in content/events/src, in that module, what's the best namespace? mozilla::dom? mozilla::content? mozilla::events?
# [03:42] <@bz> s/patch/function/
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# [03:42] <@bz> did this help with the uri situation?
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# [03:43] <njn> bz: still working that out :)
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# [03:44] <njn> bz: my old code triggered lots of DMD warnings because I was calling mallocSizeOf() on pointers to the middle of heap blocks
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# [03:46] <njn> bz: new version: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1484507
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# [03:50] <@roc> masayuki: if you're not sure, just use "mozilla"
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# [03:51] <@roc> personally I think we shouldn't even bother with anything under "mozilla", but oh well
# [03:51] <@khuey> you'd better not look at our new dom bindings then
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# [03:52] <@bz> khuey: ping?
# [03:52] <@bz> heh
# [03:52] <@bz> the new bindings are soooo namespace-happy
# [03:52] * @bz should just surreptitiously remove all that crap
# [03:52] <@khuey> bz: pong
# [03:52] <@bz> esp the binding/bindings idiocy
# [03:52] <@bz> khuey: so consider this case
# [03:52] <@khuey> yeah that is great
# [03:52] <masayuki> roc: hmm, okay, there is no class which uses namespace in the directly yet. therefore, I'm not sure.
# [03:52] <@bz> void f(Node a, Node b, Node c);
# [03:52] <@bz> void f(Node a, Window b, Node c);
# [03:52] <@bz> void f(Window a, Window b, Window c);
# [03:53] <@bz> I _think_ webidl actually disallows interfaces that look like that
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# [03:53] <@bz> does your parser complain on them?
# [03:53] <heycam> bz, it does disallow things like that
# [03:53] <@bz> ok
# [03:53] <@khuey> my parser does not complain about that yet
# [03:53] <@bz> I assume that was to make the overload resolution algorithm sane?
# [03:53] <heycam> yep
# [03:54] <@roc> Workers are super namespace happy as well. It sucks.
# [03:54] <@khuey> but you should write the codegen assuming you can never get invalid sets of signatures
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# [03:54] <njn> s/mozilla/moz/
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# [03:58] <@bz> khuey: ok
# [03:58] <@bz> khuey: does simplify the overload resolution business!
# [04:02] <@khuey> it should!
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# [04:06] <njn> bz: for techcrunch.com I'm now reporting about 30% of the nsStandardURL::mSpec string memory
# [04:06] <njn> bz: not great, but better than 0
# [04:08] <njn> bz: for nsSimpleURI::mPath I'm getting maybe 1% :(
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# [04:22] <@bz> njn: hrm
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# [04:40] <@bz> njn: hey
# [04:40] <njn> bz: hi
# [04:40] <@bz> njn: I'd be interested in some indication of what the actual specs look like for the cases that are shared
# [04:41] <@bz> njn: having a shared path for an nsSimplerURI is not surprising in some use cases, but I'm surprised there were a bunch of them around at all
# [04:41] <njn> bz: how do I print a nsStringBuffer?
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# [04:41] <njn> bz: are you interested in nsStandardURL, nsSimpleURI, or both?
# [04:41] <@bz> njn: printf("spec: %s\n", (char*)buffer->Data());
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# [04:42] <@bz> njn: for the case here, when it's a char stringbuffer, not a PRUnichar one
# [04:42] <@bz> njn: both would be great
# [04:42] <njn> bz: ok, give me a few minutes
# [04:42] <@bz> no rush
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# [04:49] <krit1> mattwoodrow: ping
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# [04:49] <mattwoodrow> krit: hi
# [04:49] <krit> hi mattwoodrow. Have you read the discussion about decomposing transforms on www-style?
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# [04:50] <krit> mattwoodrow: I would be interessted how gecko is doing the decomposing. Can you point me to the code?
# [04:50] <mattwoodrow> krit: There hasn't been anything recently right?
# [04:50] <krit> mattwoodrow: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Feb/0575.html
# [04:51] <mattwoodrow> krit: Oh, I hadn't seen that one
# [04:51] <mattwoodrow> Theres been discussion of that before though
# [04:52] <krit> mattwoodrow: yes, Boris said this in his response
# [04:52] <krit> mattwoodrow: but without a conclusion
# [04:52] <mattwoodrow> krit: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/style/nsStyleAnimation.cpp#1156
# [04:53] <krit> mattwoodrow: interesting, quaternion and rotate. takes some time before I get into the code
# [04:54] <mattwoodrow> It should match the spec algorithm fairly closely
# [04:54] <mattwoodrow> that was my goal anyway
# [04:55] <krit> mattwoodrow: we have a different algorithm that just uses quaternion
# [04:56] <krit> mattwoodrow: but I am not that familiar with the code but want to make sure that the base is the same for all browsers
# [04:56] <krit> mattwoodrow: I also opened a bug report on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15960
# [04:56] <krit> mattwoodrow: according to chris the animation is easier to do with quaternion because it avoids some singularities that could occure with euler angles
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# [04:58] <krit> mattwoodrow: http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Source/WebCore/platform/graphics/transforms/TransformationMatrix.h#L258 this code is all that we need for animations in webkit
# [04:59] <krit> mattwoodrow: the actual decomposing is here http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Source/WebCore/platform/graphics/transforms/TransformationMatrix.cpp#L294
# [04:59] <mattwoodrow> krit: Yeah, quaternions should definitely be spec'd
# [04:59] <mattwoodrow> It just need someone to make the change
# [04:59] <mattwoodrow> Yeah, I've looked at the WebKit impl
# [04:59] <krit> mattwoodrow: is your impl similar? Or does it differ in the resulting decomposing?
# [05:00] <krit> (for which edge case ever)
# [05:00] <mattwoodrow> krit: It's the same for everything except for quaternions
# [05:01] <mattwoodrow> I used the impl proposed by Tim Terriberry on www-style
# [05:01] <mattwoodrow> it's more or less the same, just varies slightly in edge cases
# [05:01] <njn> bz: I may have misinterpreted the DMD output. The spec strings are all F_SHARED and most have a refcount of 1
# [05:02] <krit> mattwoodrow: do these edge cases matter? any visual differences that we might consider?
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# [05:02] <mattwoodrow> derf: ping
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# [05:03] <mattwoodrow> krit: I don't believe so
# [05:04] <krit> mattwoodrow: when you say your impl differs from webkit in quaternions, but it should get defined in the spec. How should it get defined :)
# [05:05] <mattwoodrow> krit: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Aug/0652.html
# [05:05] <mattwoodrow> Was the proposal
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# [05:09] <krit> mattwoodrow: Sounds great! I try to add it to the specification some how.
# [05:09] <krit> mattwoodrow: thanks a lot.
# [05:09] <mattwoodrow> krit: That would be great
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# [05:12] <njn> bz: looks like I'm getting the nsStandardURLs that are allocated underneath nsContentUtils::NewURIWithDocumentCharset, which I guess is the nsHTML{Anchor,Area,Link}Element ones. But there are lots of other nsStandardURLs I'm not measuring
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# [05:13] <@bz> njn: ok
# [05:13] <@bz> njn: that is totally believable
# [05:14] <@bz> njn: where are those other ones allocated?
# [05:14] <njn> bz: at least, I'm getting maybe 95% of them
# [05:14] <njn> bz: lots of places
# [05:14] <@bz> NewURIWithDocumentCharset is the standard way of allocating urls in the DOM in general
# [05:14] <@bz> not just for links
# [05:14] <@bz> njn: toss me a list?
# [05:15] <@bz> njn: I could at least tell you what those have to do with, given that
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# [05:15] <jtcranmer> so remember the time oh so long ago when a single change could drop JS memory consumption by 20%?
# [05:15] <jtcranmer> I need some of that magic
# [05:15] <jtcranmer> 22651 cranmer2 20 0 45.1g 45g 12m R 99.9 35.7 11:15.94 clang
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# [05:16] <njn> bz: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1484542 shows the top 4 for Techcrunch, not sure if that's enough context
# [05:16] * jtcranmer watches memory usage crep up past 50(?)
# [05:17] <njn> bz: for the first one I'm lacking a reporter for nsScriptElement
# [05:17] <njn> bz: for the 3rd one I'm missing pretty much all XBL stuff, I think
# [05:18] <@bz> njn: lemme look
# [05:18] <njn> bz: for the 4th one, that could end up anywhere
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# [05:19] <@bz> I wonder whether we should consider dropping the mURI of <script> elements at some point
# [05:19] <@bz> if we get to a point where it's not needed anymore?
# [05:20] <@bz> and in particular, I believe it's certainly not needed once the script has run
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# [05:21] <@bz> That second callstack looks like an explicit newURI call from JS
# [05:21] <@bz> on the IOService
# [05:21] <@bz> more stack would not likely help much
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# [05:21] <njn> bz: there are some under nsCSSValue.mValue.mImage
# [05:21] <njn> bz: basically, there are lots of small cases
# [05:21] <njn> no big fish, at least in this profile
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# [05:22] <@bz> The XBL one, yeah
# [05:22] <njn> bz: I think I've done enough for the URIs/Links patch
# [05:22] <@bz> ConvertIfNotPreloadedYet, who knows
# [05:22] <@bz> yeah
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# [05:22] <@bz> makes sense
# [05:22] <njn> bz: thanks for the help, yet again
# [05:23] <@bz> might be worth filing a bug on dropping scripts' mURI
# [05:23] <@bz> no problem
# [05:23] <@bz> thanks for making us faster/smaller/with-better-press!
# [05:23] <njn> bz: it's getting harder to find stuff to report
# [05:23] <njn> bz: I'm getting Cairo allocations quite a bit in the DMD output
# [05:23] <njn> which I figure is pretty hopeless, not to mention Linux-specific
# [05:23] <njn> Cairo-via-Harfbuzz, more specifically
# [05:24] <@bz> yeah...
# [05:24] <njn> bz: e.g. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1484550
# [05:24] <jaws> in a web progress listener, is it possible to know if the page is being reloaded?
# [05:24] <njn> bz: hence https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717853, I want to be able to run DMD on non-Linux
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# [05:25] <njn> bz: really, I want *other people* to run DMD on non-Linux :)
# [05:25] <@bz> njn: makes sense
# [05:25] <@bz> njn: ;)
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# [05:25] <@bz> jaws: sorta
# [05:25] <@bz> jaws: you could look at the loadType on the docshell
# [05:25] <njn> bz: the "I saw a high heap-unclassified, hey njn: catch!" routine gets tiring
# [05:25] <@bz> njn: yeah, I can imaging
# [05:25] <@bz> er, imagine
# [05:26] <@bz> jaws: and then make some assumptions about the totally undocumented values...
# [05:27] <jaws> bz: thanks, i'll look in to that
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# [05:31] <Matti> is there a way to search with mxr for files that got removed ?
# [05:33] <Mook> pretty sure mxr is just snapshots; if it happens to still be in an older branch, you might try there.
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# [05:36] <Matti> but i want to know who removed the file and with which checkin
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# [05:36] <jhammel> hg log?
# [05:36] <@roc> there seem to be about 100 different namespaces in Mozilla code in the tree currently
# [05:37] <jtcranmer> njn: if you want something easy, I don't suppose you could help me track down this memory issue I'm having?
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# [05:41] <Mook> hg log --removed, in particular
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# [05:45] <@bz> roc: We should just nuke it all in favor of flat mozilla::, imo
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# [05:46] <@roc> so do I
# [05:47] <@bz> could stealth do it
# [05:48] <@roc> maybe with some exceptions for mozilla::Class
# [05:48] <@roc> where "Class" is something that could have been a class full of static methods but makes more sense as a namespace full of functions
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# [05:51] <@roc> maybe not
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# [05:53] <jtcranmer> I've been tempted to go with mozilla::mailnews::mime::Parser
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# [05:53] <@roc> no
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# [05:54] <jtcranmer> it's what our current style guidelines more or less suggest :-P
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# [05:55] <jtcranmer> "Mozilla project C++ declarations should be in the "mozilla" namespace. Modules can define their own namespaces under "mozilla", with short all-lowercase names, but are not allowed to add declarations to the "mozilla" namespace."
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# [05:55] <@roc> yeah
# [05:55] <@roc> it sucks
# [05:56] <jtcranmer> I'd vote to move all the mailnews C++ to mozilla::mailnews
# [05:56] <jtcranmer> the mime may be a bit much
# [05:59] <kwierso> Are mimes ever not a bit too much?
# [05:59] <@bz> mozilla::dom::workers::xhr::XMLHttpRequestPrivate
# [05:59] <@bz> Just saying
# [06:00] <@bz> mozilla::dom::bindings::AllocateProtoCache ?
# [06:00] <@bz> mozilla::dom::binding::instanceIsProxy ?
# [06:00] <philor> ::workers makes it easy for me to blame them when they're in a stack
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# [06:01] * @bz tossed some "using mozilla::dom" in that file
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# [06:01] <@bz> else we would also have mozilla::dom::bindings::DOMJSClass::FromJSClass
# [06:01] <@bz> (that's a method on a class in 3 namespaces)
# [06:02] <@bz> totally insane, imo
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# [06:05] <jtcranmer> newsgroup thread tim!
# [06:05] <@bz> btw
# [06:05] <@bz> thunderbird has been driving me nuts
# [06:05] <jtcranmer> oh?
# [06:05] * @bz is so close to just giving up on newsgroups. :(
# [06:06] <jtcranmer> what's happening now?
# [06:06] <@bz> About 40% of the time I click on a newsgroup it shows nothing in the threadpane and messagepane and starts doing some sort of syncing of mails in the mail accounts or something
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# [06:06] <@bz> if I immediately click on something else and then back on the newsgroup it all comes up fine
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# [06:06] * @bz can write down the exact message in the status bar next time it happens if that would be useful
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# [06:07] <jtcranmer> sounds like it's doing autocompaction or something
# [06:07] <jesup|laptop> bz: Emacs + Gnus - the right way to read newsgroups
# [06:07] <@bz> could be...
# [06:07] <@bz> jesup|laptop: if it had better integration with my browser, per haps
# [06:07] <@bz> er, perhaps
# [06:08] <derf> mattwoodrow: Pong.
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# [06:08] <jesup|laptop> If it doesn't (and there are tons of stuff out there), just program it in ELisp! (Ah, getting to dredge up those CS course neurons)
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# [06:09] * @bz shrugs
# [06:09] <@bz> at some point I want a certain amount of Just Works out of my software
# [06:09] * @bz is already having to write code just to reconcile his 401(k) statements
# [06:09] <@bz> or worse yet my IRA statements
# [06:10] <@bz> it'd be nice if _some_ software didn't involve me writing code to make it work.... ;)
# [06:10] <jtcranmer> ... I stopped trusting tax software after it gave a wildly different number for the taxes than I computed by hand
# [06:11] <kwierso> I stopped trusting my hand at that point
# [06:11] <@bz> jtcranmer: heh
# [06:11] <jtcranmer> it would be nice if it could just tell me the relevant laws
# [06:12] <kwierso> "don't click that, you'll go to jail!"
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# [06:12] <jtcranmer> and I'll admit that I'm still vague on which number I should have used... but that's a difference of like 5% compared to 100% of tax liability
# [06:12] <@roc> bz: I just read the Mozilla newgroups through the mailing lists
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# [06:13] <@bz> roc: I've been considering doing that
# [06:13] * jtcranmer hates the mailing list software
# [06:13] <@bz> roc: means more filters and more annoyance if I'm not at my computer, but maybe it's ok
# [06:13] <@roc> well, I read mailing lists through GMail
# [06:14] <@bz> ah
# [06:14] <@bz> fair
# [06:14] * @bz sorta avoids gmail
# [06:14] <@bz> but yes, I could just create a separate account for the mailing lists...
# [06:15] <sfink> why is something called nsLayoutModule the thing that shuts down xpconnect?
# [06:15] <@bz> because xpconnect is part of that module?
# [06:15] <@bz> that being gklayout
# [06:15] <@bz> it used to be in a different library
# [06:15] <jtcranmer> because we don't believe that names should reflect what modules do?
# [06:16] <sfink> Never mind. My head already hurts; I don't really want to know.
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# [06:17] * @bz answered the question....
# [06:18] <sfink> sure, but my naive English-language understanding of the word "layout" still leads to the English-language phrase represented by the 3 letters "wtf"
# [06:18] <@bz> heh
# [06:19] <jtcranmer> sfink: didn't you know? that's how you pronounce layout in the English language
# [06:20] <sfink> :)
# [06:20] <philor> huh, I'm caught up after just two hours, wonder what tree I missed...
# [06:21] <sfink> Not that it's successful anyway; after nsLayoutModule releases its xpconnect reference, there are still 3 left, and at least one of those never goes away...
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# [06:24] <sfink> hey, it's not too bad. It makes it down to 1.
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# [06:31] <kinetik> billm: hi
# [06:32] <billm> kinetik: hey, I've got more info. the IsBusy test is returning true when it fails. that seems to be why onload isn't being run.
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# [06:46] <philor> though I have a sort of unreasonable assumption there, about "when"
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# [06:52] <sfink> What's the quickest way to expose a function (taking no parameters other than a JSContext*) to content? This is only for temporary testing.
# [06:52] <@bz> quickest in terms of code, or compilation?
# [06:53] <@bz> you could just add an [implicit_jscontext] void f() on nsIDOMWindow.idl or something
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# [06:53] <sfink> typing + compilation?
# [06:53] <@bz> hmm
# [06:53] <@bz> if you want to minimize compilation, put it on something more like nsIDOMHistory.idl?
# [06:53] <sfink> Ok, that'll work. (I stuck exactly that into Components.utils, then realized I needed it from content)
# [06:54] <sfink> Thanks!
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# [07:46] <philor> kwierso: but I expect even *more* laughing in the future
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# [07:48] <philor> sheesh, how long do you go between reading bugmail, minutes?
# [07:48] <kwierso> ah
# [07:48] <kwierso> at some point, it goes from laughing with at your jokes, to just laughing at you
# [07:49] <philor> there is that
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# [07:53] <kwierso> philor: but don't worry, I'm only ever touching that one filed, which should theoretically only cause jetpack tests to either stay broken or become fixed, neither of which seems too important, given that they've been broken for two months and no one's spoken up about it... :)
# [07:53] <kwierso> s/filed/file/
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# [07:54] <philor> I noticed them not looking too good on try, sometime when I was &noignoring it, but... try, you know?
# [07:55] <philor> I rarely look at m-c anymore, much less at its ignored bits
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# [07:59] <kwierso> philor: I do kinda feel weird having to have a full clone of both m-c and m-a around, when I'm only ever planning on messing with a single one-line file in each
# [07:59] <kwierso> but, eh, that's life, I guess
# [08:00] <philor> that's hg life, anyway
# [08:02] <philor> something will drive you crazy, a typo or bogus punctuation, and you'll decide to patch it, and before long all will be lost, though
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# [08:10] <gcp> kwierso: because continously updating it would likely be quiet slow?
# [08:11] <kwierso> gcp: but the browser already has a refresh button?
# [08:11] <gcp> ah, like that
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# [08:13] <kwierso> unless reloading the page completely causes more memory to be ironically consumed by the page tracking memory usage?
# [08:15] <philor> "// The "Update" button has an id so it can be clicked in a test." could well be part of it
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# [08:47] <glazou> bonjour
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# [08:57] <clever> kwierso: there was a patch a while back to graph the memory usage on that page
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# [08:58] <kwierso> clever: isn't that what the about:nosy extension does?
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# [09:01] <clever> kwierso: never seen about:nosy, though that patch is fairly old and didnt work with the most recent firefox when i saw it
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# [09:04] <clever> cant seem to find any trace of the patch now
# [09:05] <clever> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472209 might be it
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# [09:05] <clever> kwierso: i'm also not good at 'going to sleep', its 4am now
# [09:05] <clever> damn, lol
# [09:06] <kwierso> clever: we should just move to hawaii
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# [11:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/11d9ee3f63eb - Jan Bambach - Bug 707736 - Hide the cursor when it's motionless over a fullscreen video. r=dolske
# [11:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/81f6b9cbb2a9 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [11:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2ec69945ec11 - Diogo Golovanevsky Monteiro - Bug 714071 - The Show Statistics setting is not preserved when toggling the full screen mode. r=neil
# [11:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5acf0e26ddcd - Dave Camp - Bug 703718 - Unify dbg-server.js and dbg-server.jsm. r=past
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# [11:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8133f8197fdc - Jared Wein - Bug 725122 - Fix the intermittent timeouts by only setting the src attribute of the <audio> element after the event listener has been added. r=neil
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# [11:41] <Yoric> Mmmmhhh.... "cannot convert parameter 1 from 'void *' to 'void *'"
# [11:41] <Yoric> with VC++
# [11:41] <Yoric> Does anybody know how to fix this?
# [11:41] <Yoric> (or even what it means?)
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# [11:42] <jfkthame> Yoric: that's ..... weird
# [11:43] <jfkthame> where's it happen?
# [11:43] <Yoric> In code for bug 718938.
# [11:43] <Yoric> At the site of construction of an AutoFreePtr.
# [11:45] <jfkthame> AutoFreePtr? oh, that's a newish thing, isn't it?
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# [11:48] <jfkthame> do we have _any_ existing uses of AutoFreePtr in the tree?
# [11:51] <Yoric> Not yet.
# [11:51] <Yoric> And now, I know why :)
# [11:51] <Yoric> It doesn't compile with VC++ yet.
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# [11:51] <jfkthame> yeah!
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# [11:53] <jfkthame> i suppose it's possible that sprinkling some explicit casts around _might_ sidestep the issue, but that error message sure looks strange - sounds like a slightly confused compiler
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# [12:02] <Yoric> jfkthame: So far, no cast has proved sufficient.
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# [12:04] <jfkthame> dunno. if it were me, i'd be tempted to just write a simple autofree without so much template magic, and see if that works better - leave someone else to explore the twisty little passages of multi-layered templates
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# [12:09] <Yoric> Well, I am not the one who wrote that code.
# [12:09] <Yoric> I am just the one who attempts to use it :/
# [12:10] <Yoric> And glandium (the original author) is just as baffled as I am.
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# [12:11] <glandium> jfkthame: that code is built for the android linker, and both gcc and clang are happy with it
# [12:12] <glandium> though the AutoFreePtr template itself is not used. the other ones are
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# [12:14] <NeilAway> Yoric: wait, you said it can't from void* to void* ?
# [12:14] <Yoric> Yep
# [12:14] <Yoric> At least, that's what it says.
# [12:14] <Yoric> I have a void* value, freshly returned from malloc.
# [12:15] <Yoric> I want to pass it to a constructor that takes void*.
# [12:15] <Yoric> VC++ doesn't want me to.
# [12:15] <Yoric> Note that it also does not want to pass it to operator=, which takes a void*, too.
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# [12:17] <Ms2ger> And now we get to clean up the mess!
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# [12:19] <jfkthame> using AutoClean.h ?
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# [12:23] <Yoric> Same code, yes.
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# [12:31] <pedro> hey guys, I found out that using -moz-animation and animate-bg puts my cpu usage sky high
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# [12:32] <pedro> is this expecte?
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# [12:38] <darktrojan> where should I file a comm-central code cleanup bug?
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# [12:38] <Standard8> depends where the cleanup is
# [12:39] <darktrojan> all over the place
# [12:39] <Standard8> probably mailnews core / build config then
# [12:39] <darktrojan> k
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# [13:22] <reuben> ugh, we have another "awesome" thing on fennec - the awesome screen :/
# [13:23] <reuben> mozilla's favorite word is a localization nightmare
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# [13:26] <Pike> splendid isn't all that better
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# [13:26] <glandium> darktrojan++ (for 718255)
# [13:26] <Jesse> reuben: did you hear that firefox's new new tab page will be "powered by the Awesomebar"? https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Roadmap
# [13:27] <reuben> Jesse, yay
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# [13:34] <darktrojan> awesome
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# [13:36] <darktrojan> hg's a bit slow
# [13:37] <darktrojan> (now, specifically)
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# [13:41] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, are you on Linux?
# [13:41] <darktrojan> yes
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# [13:41] <Ms2ger> Could you check http://www.w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/PhilipTaylor/canvas/2d.gradient.radial.cone.behind.html ?
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# [13:42] <Ms2ger> Hmm, thanks
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# [13:48] <KaiRo> Bah, I hate this... my ISP has technical problems and I only can connect via mobile
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# [13:51] <gabor> KaiRo: connecting to the internet or just connecting to mozilla.org?
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# [13:53] <Mavericks> Unfocused: hey about setting up a virtual dev env. for encouraging contribution, does gapp engine help for a pilot project/test basis, get a vm on it with appropriate tools, and a free app in the chrome web store for anybody to login and dive right into codebase.
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# [14:29] <peregrino> is there a way to change the navigator properties from an addon?
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# [14:50] <NeilAway> glandium: indeed, pity he left otherwise I'd ++ him too
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# [15:07] <espindola> jprmc, you might find http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/GoingNative/GoingNative-2012/Clang-Defending-C-from-Murphy-s-Million-Monkeys interesting
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# [15:16] <Ms2ger> Wow, an intermittent orange fixed by its 14th comment
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# [15:18] <timeless> Yoric: did the compiler give an error number in addition to an error string?
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# [15:19] <Yoric> At some point, yes.
# [15:20] <Yoric> C2664
# [15:20] <Yoric> But this is not very informative.
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# [15:21] <timeless> well, at least it eliminates non ms compilers :)
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# [15:21] <Yoric> :)
# [15:21] <Yoric> The same code works quite well with gcc.
# [15:21] <timeless> at the risk of being stupid, can you try: (void*)(char*)malloc() ? :)
# [15:22] <Yoric> Tried it. No success.
# [15:22] <Yoric> Yes, I am desperate :)
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# [15:22] <timeless> also, have you asked msvc for a .i version of your code?
# [15:22] <timeless> that tends to be more exciting
# [15:23] <Yoric> How do I do this with our codebase?
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# [15:24] <timeless> make foo.i
# [15:24] <timeless> :)
# [15:24] <timeless> our codebase is actually quite nice in that area :)
# [15:24] <timeless> or rather `your codebase`
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# [15:24] <timeless> all your base belong to you
# [15:25] <Yoric> :)
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# [15:34] <Yoric> foo.i doesn't tell me much I can use :/
# [15:34] <Yoric> Ah, well.
# [15:36] <Yoric> ...
# [15:36] <decoder> espindola: ping?
# [15:36] <Yoric> ...
# [15:36] <Yoric> ...
# [15:36] <Yoric> Ok.
# [15:36] <espindola> decoder, pong
# [15:36] <Yoric> Renaming my variable seems to solve the issue.
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# [15:36] <decoder> espindola: regarding the clang+nightly comment, we need a way though to update clang from time to time from trunk builds
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# [15:37] <espindola> decoder, yes
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# [15:37] <espindola> what I would like to have
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# [15:37] <espindola> is a file in hg
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# [15:37] <espindola> (m-c and branches)
# [15:37] <espindola> with an url pointing to a tarball
# [15:37] <espindola> and have the build system use that
# [15:37] <decoder> the slaves do not have internet to pull these
# [15:37] <espindola> that way updating the compiler is a branch local operation
# [15:38] <espindola> decoder, they can access parts of the internet
# [15:38] <decoder> i was just told they cant.. but ok :D
# [15:38] <espindola> in particular people.mozilla.org
# [15:38] <decoder> ok
# [15:38] <decoder> i was talking with jmaher to get the whole clang thing started
# [15:38] <decoder> because we need it for asan as well
# [15:38] <espindola> decoder, with the patches I added to bugzilla
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# [15:39] <espindola> I am able to build on os x with Werror
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# [15:39] <espindola> so I think we should be finally one last clang push away from being able to switch
# [15:39] <jmaher> espindola: oh nice
# [15:39] <decoder> espindola: which patch?
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# [15:40] <decoder> im building without any clang specific patches right now
# [15:40] <decoder> I just have two asan specific patches
# [15:40] <decoder> ill file a bug on those soon
# [15:40] <espindola> decoder, our mozconfigs enable -Werror...
# [15:40] <espindola> decoder, 727233 for example
# [15:40] <espindola> (is there an easy way to share a bugzila search)
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# [15:40] <espindola> ?
# [15:41] <decoder> wouldnt we be using our own mozconfig anyway?
# [15:41] <decoder> at least for asan we'll be using a custom mozconfig
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# [15:41] <decoder> but yes, being able to build with -Werror is a good thing of course
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# [15:41] <espindola> decoder, yes, but for the OS X switch I would like to change just the CC and CXX lines
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# [15:42] <decoder> espindola: okay. lets just not hard block on that
# [15:42] <espindola> once OS X is done, the linux infrastructure gets a lot easier
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# [15:42] <decoder> and we're currently aiming for osx + linux at once, not osx first
# [15:42] <decoder> otherwise i wont be able to help at all
# [15:42] <espindola> decoder, we don't have plans to switch the linux build...
# [15:43] <espindola> but with OS X building with clang
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# [15:43] <decoder> espindola: not switch, i meant additionally
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# [15:43] <espindola> we get a lot more coverage
# [15:43] <decoder> we want additional builds on linux with clang
# [15:43] <espindola> and then adding linux is easier
# [15:43] <@khuey> somebody made debug builds on windows horribly slow in the last few weeks
# [15:44] <decoder> espindola: how close is that switch?
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# [15:45] <espindola> decoder, I will try to boostrap the revision of clang I used to build with Werror on centos 5 and update the spec and dmg building scripts today
# [15:45] <espindola> then it is code review lag
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# [15:47] <decoder> okay
# [15:47] <decoder> on linux, it's currently only the missing toolchain on the slaves blocking
# [15:47] <decoder> no code changes required for now
# [15:47] <decoder> we'll be doing on-demand with custom mozconfig anyway as a start I guess
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# [15:48] <espindola> decoder, there is already a clang on the slaves
# [15:49] <espindola> if you don't need -Werror
# [15:49] <decoder> which is it?
# [15:49] <decoder> trunk?
# [15:49] <espindola> yes, let me check exactly which one
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# [15:49] <Yoric> timeless: so, we have eliminated not only non-ms compilers, but also any rational reason :)
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# [15:51] <espindola> decoder, http://hg.mozilla.org/build/puppet-manifests/rev/5e32cff400ac
# [15:52] <decoder> espindola: nice, thats pretty recent
# [15:52] <decoder> espindola: does it include compiler-rt?
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# [15:53] <espindola> decoder, I don't think so :-(
# [15:53] <espindola> decoder, can you open a bug to include it
# [15:53] <decoder> okay. but I guess we can include that somehow
# [15:53] <espindola> and assign it to me?
# [15:53] <decoder> sure
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# [15:54] <decoder> espindola: btw, thats only osx slaves now right?
# [15:54] <espindola> decoder, no, linux too
# [15:54] <decoder> oh cool
# [15:54] <espindola> same version on both
# [15:54] <decoder> nice!
# [15:54] <espindola> right now on a manual way, but we are slowly fixing that
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# [15:55] <espindola> ok, commuting to the office. brb
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# [16:03] <ddahl> Ms2ger: pong
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# [16:03] <jfkthame> Yoric: ok, i'm curious.... what _was_ your problem variable called?
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# [16:03] <Yoric> T
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# [16:04] <Yoric> Note: I mean "type variable".
# [16:04] <jfkthame> huh
# [16:04] <Yoric> Renaming it to "Type" solves everything.
# [16:04] <jfkthame> bizarre
# [16:04] <Yoric> Note that there was no macro involved, so that is not the issue.
# [16:04] <Ms2ger> ddahl, unping, I commented on the bug
# [16:04] <Yoric> I suspect VC++ actually turns its templates into macros.
# [16:04] <ddahl> Ms2ger: ok
# [16:04] <Yoric> Without alpha-conversion or anything such.
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# [16:05] <Yoric> Who should I ping for a review on bug 727435?
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# [16:05] <Yoric> Firebot?
# [16:05] <firebot> (*
# [16:06] <Yoric> I will try again.
# [16:06] <Yoric> Who should I ping for a review on bug 727435 ?
# [16:06] <decoder> mak: ping?
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# [16:06] <Yoric> firebot does not like me anymore :/
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# [16:06] <firebot> Yoric: Sorry, I've no idea what 'does not like me anymore :/' might be.
# [16:06] <mak> decoder: pong
# [16:06] <decoder> mak: are you doing the merges from inbound today? or someone else?
# [16:06] <Yoric> Ms2ger: any suggestion?
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# [16:06] <Yoric> (since you just triaged that bug)
# [16:07] <mrbkap> Yoric: I'm tempted to steal that review, it seems pretty trivial.
# [16:07] <Yoric> Go ahead :)
# [16:07] <mak> decoder: not yet, I'm busy with italian burocracy papers :) though I may do it asap if someone else doesn't do it before
# [16:07] <mrbkap> Yoric: I'm not sure if I have the right, though.
# [16:07] <decoder> mak: okay no hurry. im just being blocked by bug 727081. it should have gone directly to m-c because it fixes a compile error on central
# [16:08] <decoder> but it went to inbound instead
# [16:08] <Ms2ger> Yoric, cojones or Waldo
# [16:08] <Yoric> Thanks.
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# [16:09] <mak> decoder: you can push the same exact changeset to m-c
# [16:09] <mak> merging same changesets is automatic and not a problem
# [16:09] <decoder> i cant push anything to m-c
# [16:09] <decoder> i dont have access for that, im not a developer for m-c usually
# [16:10] <decoder> i work on security stuff :)
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# [16:12] <Ms2ger> Yoric, that's a review from the wind ;)
# [16:12] <Yoric> ?
# [16:12] <Yoric> Ah :)
# [16:13] <Yoric> That was a "hey, does anybody want to review this?" :)
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# [16:30] <msucan> hello
# [16:30] <msucan> i get a build failure with the latest fx-team pull:
# [16:30] <msucan> toolkit/components/telemetry/Telemetry.cpp:113:18: error: use of undeclared identifier 'EnumerateEntries'
# [16:30] <msucan> PRUint32 num = EnumerateEntries(ReflectEntryStub, static_cast<void*>(&args));
# [16:31] <msucan> why would this happen?
# [16:31] <AryehGregor> mattwoodrow|away, pong.
# [16:32] <mak> msucan: clang?
# [16:32] <mak> msucan: bug 727081
# [16:32] <msucan> mak: yes, clang
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# [16:36] <AryehGregor> What does red mean on tbpl? It just says "busted" with no summary.
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# [16:39] <decoder> ted: khuey: i just opened bug 727445 for integrating the remaining asan changes into m-c, and need some guidance there with the build system. if you have time and mood, feel free to comment there so I can start working on proper patches
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# [16:52] <decoder> khuey: ping
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# [16:55] <@khuey> pong
# [16:55] <decoder> khuey: you realize my changes should only be active with a special build flag, right?
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# [16:57] <@khuey> mmm
# [16:57] <@khuey> ok
# [16:57] <decoder> always enabling these would be crazy :D
# [16:57] <@khuey> that _might_ make the -z,defs thing more palatable
# [16:58] <decoder> the thing is, you cannot build with asan and -z,defs
# [16:58] <@khuey> but I still don't think we want to pass all of our CFLAGS into NSS
# [16:58] <espindola> anyone knows where do we get the hg we install in the bots?
# [16:58] <decoder> it wont work by design
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# [16:58] <decoder> khuey: i need -faddress-sanitizer and some others flags to be passed then instead
# [16:58] <@khuey> decoder: this is why you should just use valgrind ;-)
# [16:58] <espindola> I remember finding out, but I have a new centos 5 vm and I cant find it :-(
# [16:58] <decoder> we could also hardcode these instead of using CFLAGS
# [16:58] <@khuey> decoder: sure ... but CFLAGS will have other stuff too (potentially)
# [16:58] <decoder> khuey: valgrind is not equivalent to asan :P
# [16:58] <@khuey> that we don't want to pass down
# [16:58] <@khuey> decoder: right, valgrind is better
# [16:59] <decoder> no, not at all^^
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# [16:59] <decoder> okay.. so it should be more like:
# [16:59] <decoder> DEFAULT_GMAKE_FLAGS += ARCHFLAG="-faddress-sanitizer <whatever more flags asan needs>";
# [16:59] <decoder> ?
# [16:59] <decoder> (of course, only when building asan)
# [16:59] <@khuey> yeah
# [17:00] <espindola> ok, looks like we build it from source...
# [17:00] <decoder> okay.. thats a first change ill make now in my tree and see if I can get it to work
# [17:00] <decoder> about the -z,defs thing, i have no clue how I could change that
# [17:00] <decoder> (omit it in our build system)
# [17:00] <decoder> thats why I patched clang to strip the flag for me^_^
# [17:01] <@khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in#1837
# [17:01] <@khuey> similar places elsewhere
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# [17:01] <decoder> okay..
# [17:01] <decoder> im still waiting for a response from the asan people, if there will be a clang side solution
# [17:01] <decoder> that would be a lot easier
# [17:02] <decoder> we wouldnt have to bother at all removing -z,defs then
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# [17:03] <decoder> regarding the JS constants: i have no measurement on these, but using 2* on the stack size was still not enough for firefox to even start. using 4* worked
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# [17:05] <@khuey> if 4 is required to start, I expect the value we really need there is significantly higher
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# [17:09] <decoder> khuey|away: during startup the stack grows very large because of a lot of parsing happening
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# [17:09] <decoder> and tests pass with these settings
# [17:11] <ttaubert> smaug: thanks for the hint! can/should I flag you for review on the storage event patch?
# [17:11] <denisATeukrea> hi, I've some build issues with nss
# [17:11] <denisATeukrea> is it the right channel?
# [17:11] <denisATeukrea> I don't know where to send patches and/or proposal to fix my issues
# [17:11] <@bz> How can Iget my new tabs to show about:blank?
# [17:11] <@bz> instead of the new thing?
# [17:12] <denisATeukrea> basically in nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/coreconf/Linux.mk there is CC = gcc
# [17:12] <denisATeukrea> and stuff like that
# [17:12] * @bz is amused by what the new thing says about his browsing habits, but it's not very useful to him...
# [17:12] <denisATeukrea> the problem is for cross compiling
# [17:12] <denisATeukrea> I don't know well Makefiles
# [17:12] <ttaubert> bz: there is a 'x' in the upper right corner, just click that
# [17:12] <denisATeukrea> so I wonder if CC ?= gcc would work or not
# [17:12] <@bz> ttaubert: and we remember that decision?
# [17:13] <ttaubert> yes
# [17:13] <@bz> ttaubert: huh. How do I make it come back after that if I decide I want it after all?
# [17:13] <ttaubert> click the grid icon
# [17:13] <ttaubert> bz: it's a toggle button
# [17:13] <@bz> um
# [17:13] <@bz> So...
# [17:13] <@bz> I meant really doing about:blank
# [17:14] <ttaubert> bz: then that's browser.newtab.url
# [17:14] <@bz> as in skipping all the work that this thing does
# [17:14] <@bz> aha
# [17:14] <@bz> thanks!
# [17:14] <ttaubert> :)
# [17:14] <@bz> the 9 things I see are....
# [17:15] <@smaug> ttaubert: I could review it too
# [17:15] <@bz> the bugzilla search form, the "Enter Bug: Core" form, ~/test.html, ~/bar.html, the HTML5 spec, the CSS2.1 spec, tbpl for inbound, twitter, and google reader
# [17:15] <@bz> twitter probably because of the recent prefix stuff
# [17:15] <biesi> heh nice
# [17:16] * @bz has bookmark keywords for most of those already
# [17:16] <ttaubert> bz: there are some bugs on file about the current poor choice of tabs
# [17:16] <ttaubert> *sites
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# [17:16] <@bz> well, it's not clear that these are poor choices
# [17:16] <@bz> these _are_ things I visit a lot
# [17:16] <@bz> it's more that I open tabs from the keyboard and then start typing
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# [17:16] <@bz> so grabbing the mouse and picking an option would just be slower
# [17:16] <gavin> ttaubert: is there a bug about only showing about:newtab on mouse-triggered tabs?
# [17:17] <@bz> ooh
# [17:17] <@bz> that would make a _lot_ of sense
# [17:17] <ttaubert> gavin: not yet
# [17:17] <@bz> to me
# [17:17] <ttaubert> to me as well I think
# [17:17] <@bz> This is why Gavin is in the UI business and I'm not. ;)
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# [17:18] <@bz> someone please file that?
# [17:18] <ttaubert> gavin: are you filing already? should I?
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# [17:24] <gavin> ttaubert, bz: I filed bug 727469
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# [17:25] <ttaubert> gavin: thx
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# [17:32] <denisATeukrea> ah ok I found that:
# [17:32] <denisATeukrea> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide/How_to_Submit_a_Patch
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# [17:35] <jdm> denisATeukrea: hmm, sorry nobody's been answering your questions.
# [17:36] <denisATeukrea> np, I found the responses myself
# [17:36] <denisATeukrea> I found a GNU Make document where they clearly said that ?= set only if it's not set before
# [17:36] <denisATeukrea> and I found the link I just pasted
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# [17:47] <grubshka> Is there a notification when AddonManager is available? I'm trying to use it inside a command line handler, but I get NS_ERROR_STORAGE_BUSY errors
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# [17:53] <josh> How long until the next m-i merge? Looking forward to picking up the clang build fix...
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# [17:55] <mak> josh: 5 minutes ago
# [17:55] <ttaubert> heh
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# [17:56] <gcp> Thunderbird spellchecker seems to forget the selected langauge :(
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# [17:58] <josh> mak: excellent, thanks
# [17:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3a90a3dedf6c - Kyle Huey - Bug 727310: Make sure XHR unpins itself if it never recieved a loadstart event. r=bent
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# [18:05] <@khuey> ehsan_xchat: ping
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# [18:10] <denisATeukrea> jdm, hi, what source code revision system does nss use? svn cvs or mercurial?
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# [18:11] <jdm> denisATeukrea: cvs, I believe
# [18:11] <@khuey> cvs
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# [18:11] <denisATeukrea> ok thanks
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# [18:14] <denisATeukrea> I think it'smercurial
# [18:14] <@khuey> BenWa: ping
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# [18:15] <BenWa> khuey: pong
# [18:15] <@khuey> BenWa: is the builtin profiler on by default?
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# [18:16] <BenWa> no
# [18:16] <BenWa> with the extension yes
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# [18:16] <@khuey> hmm
# [18:17] <@khuey> so on my windows debug build I see tons of messages about errors in "SymGetModuleInfo64"
# [18:17] <@khuey> like we're trying to get backtraces or something
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# [18:17] <BenWa> do you have any of the profiler extension?
# [18:17] <@khuey> no
# [18:17] <@khuey> this is a clean profile
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# [18:18] <BenWa> can you get a backtrace?
# [18:18] <BenWa> I mean with a debugger and see how it's getting called?
# [18:19] <@khuey> yeah, in a sec
# [18:20] <BenWa> So the profiler won't start until you have 'MOZ_PROFILER_STARTUP' set or an extension
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# [18:22] <@khuey> BenWa: hmm, seems to be coming from the deadlock detector
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# [18:31] <decoder> khuey: I just found out that mobile also passes CFLAGS to nss directly
# [18:32] <decoder> ifeq ($(OS_TARGET), Android)
# [18:32] <decoder> ...
# [18:32] <decoder> ARCHFLAG="$(CFLAGS)
# [18:32] <decoder> is what they do
# [18:32] <decoder> thats probably where I copied the idea from :D
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# [18:35] <mwu> decoder: android does a lot of things to avoid having to patch nss.
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# [18:35] <decoder> mwu: yea, I was just pointing that out because khuey mentioned earlier we should never do that :D
# [18:35] <decoder> (pass CFLAGS to nss directly)
# [18:35] <mwu> heh
# [18:36] <mwu> though I don't remember it being ARCHFLAG..
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# [18:40] <decoder> espindola: nice thing about compiler-rt :) thx
# [18:40] <decoder> btw, compiler-rt already includes asan
# [18:41] <ttaubert> smaug: the modified sessionstorage/localstorage tests do of course not receive the event anymore. should I just revert them? not sure if we need any
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# [18:41] <decoder> im currently working on the patch to add --enable-address-sanitizer to m-c
# [18:41] <espindola> decoder: np, I "had" to update clang anyway. Since it is a fairly heavy process it is better to piggy back related changes.
# [18:41] <espindola> cool
# [18:41] <@smaug> ttaubert: there should be some tests
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# [18:42] <@smaug> ttaubert: could you add event listener to message manager
# [18:42] <ttaubert> smaug: ok, I'll write some browser-chrome-mochitests
# [18:42] <ttaubert> hm or that
# [18:42] <@smaug> IIRC SpecialPowers has some method for that
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# [18:43] <ttaubert> smaug: aha, SpecialPowers.addChromeEventListener(), ty
# [18:43] <@smaug> ttaubert: just remember to remove such listener
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# [18:45] <@khuey> gcp: pong
# [18:46] <gcp> khuey: are we on MSVC2010 without SP1? and why?
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# [18:46] <cers> sigh, figuring out all the macros in layout/style code is a bit of a headache :-S
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# [18:48] <jdm> mak: ping to discuss some download manager API stuff
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# [18:49] <mak> jdm: is ok in about 1 hour? I'm about to leave for dinner
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# [18:49] <jdm> mak: absolutely; take your time
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# [18:50] <@khuey> gcp: not sure
# [18:50] <@khuey> I think we're on SP1
# [18:50] <gcp> khuey: runtime dll is from pre-SP1
# [18:51] <@khuey> interesting
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# [18:52] <@khuey> gcp: if we're using RTM it's because that's what got installed on the build machines
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# [18:52] <@bz> mmm
# [18:52] <@bz> we should fix that
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# [18:53] * @bz hopes it works as deICEr
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# [18:53] <gcp> yep
# [18:53] <@khuey> bz: when I did the local repro for you it was with VS10 SP1
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# [18:53] <gcp> we're on 30319
# [18:53] <gcp> SP1 is 40219
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# [18:54] <gcp> who's going to make the bug? :)
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# [18:54] <@khuey> gcp: fwiw, unless we know that we gain something I'm not sure it's worth the trouble
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# [18:54] <gcp> well, you already had to work around compiler bugs
# [18:54] <gcp> that might have been entirely avoidable
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# [18:55] <@khuey> that reproduced on my machine which has SP1 ...
# [18:55] <gcp> ok
# [18:55] <@khuey> deploying a new compiler is a PITA, so unless it fixes something we probably won't bother
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# [18:57] <NeilAway> decoder: well, surely the solution is to rewrite NSS to use m-c's build system ;-)
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# [18:58] <decoder> NeilAway: hehe :D
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# [19:00] <decoder> khuey: I was just wondering about the different of CFLAGS= in mozconfig and in configure.in. should there be any? it seems that when I specify them in configure.in, they are not used for e.g. nspr
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# [19:01] <decoder> but they are when I specify in mozconfig
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# [19:01] <AryehGregor> Does Gecko support optional arguments in IDLs in any fashion?
# [19:01] <@khuey> AryehGregor: yes
# [19:01] <Mossop> In many fashions!
# [19:01] <@khuey> yeah :-/
# [19:01] <AryehGregor> Is there an example of, say, a DOM method with an optional argument that I can use?
# [19:02] <@khuey> AryehGregor: AddEventListener?
# [19:02] <Ms2ger> [optional] in foo
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# [19:02] <AryehGregor> Oh, I was searching wrong, never mind me.
# [19:02] * AryehGregor finds lots now
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# [19:03] <sheppy> :)
# [19:04] <@bz> AryehGregor: you know about the new bindings work, right?
# [19:04] <AryehGregor> bz, I've heard about it.
# [19:04] <@bz> AryehGregor: depending on the context for your question that may or may not be relevant
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# [19:04] <@bz> AryehGregor: e.g. it doesn't use the xpidl files
# [19:05] * AryehGregor just discovered that CSSStyleDeclaration.setProperty's third argument isn't optional in Gecko, is all
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# [19:05] <@bz> ah
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# [19:05] <@bz> well, it becoming optional is a way recent development
# [19:05] <@bz> right?
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# [19:06] <@bz> in general, reading the webidl for CSSOM to figure out our behavior is pointless
# [19:06] <@bz> you want to read the DOM 2 IDL
# [19:06] <AryehGregor> Sure.
# [19:06] <AryehGregor> But it's handy for it to be optional, and WebKit seems to support it.
# [19:07] <@bz> sure
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# [19:07] <@bz> webkit pretty much allows all arguments to be optional, last I checked
# [19:07] <@bz> at least used to
# [19:07] <AryehGregor> Well, granted, yes.
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# [19:13] <decoder> khuey: is there any magic required to get an ifdef MOZ_ASAN to work in security/manager/Makefile.in ? I defined that variable in configure.in toplevel
# [19:14] <biesi> AC_SUBST + put it in autoconf.mk.in
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# [19:16] <biesi> decoder, out of curiosity, what is ASAN?
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# [19:16] <decoder> biesi: address sanitizer. it's a compile time instrumentation that detects memory errors
# [19:17] <decoder> like stack and heap overflows
# [19:17] <biesi> ah, nice
# [19:17] <decoder> use after free, etc
# [19:17] <decoder> it has some overlap with valgrind, but it's much faster
# [19:17] <decoder> i wrote an article about it here: http://blog.mozilla.com/decoder/2012/01/27/trying-new-code-analysis-techniques/
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# [19:20] <mrbkap> bz: ping?
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# [19:22] <mrbkap> bz: oh, actually, never mind.
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# [19:22] <@bz> ok
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# [19:23] <mrbkap> bz: well, I was going to ask if you'd heard of a bug about fallout from the Fennec user-agent change... but then I found it myself.
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# [19:24] <@bz> ah
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# [19:25] <mrbkap> bz: bug 723760 if you're terribly interested.
# [19:25] <mrbkap> bz: Looks like their browser-sniffing falls over (HTTP 500, even) with the new UA.
# [19:25] <AryehGregor> bz, would removing the third argument from setProperty() calls in a bunch of existing tests be good enough for testing that it works without the third argument, or would an extra dedicated test be preferable?
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# [19:26] <@bz> AryehGregor: dedicated test preferred
# [19:26] <AryehGregor> Okay.
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# [19:28] <AryehGregor> bz, there are existing tests for setProperty() and friends, it's not better to just modify those than introduce a new file?
# [19:29] <@bz> we want to test both codepaths
# [19:29] <AryehGregor> Okay.
# [19:29] <@bz> you could modify those tests to test both
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# [19:29] <@bz> passing the arg and not
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# [19:34] <mreid> is there a way to query the current network status without observing "network:offline-status-changed" events?
# [19:34] <@khuey> ask the IO service if we're offline?
# [19:35] <gavin> ioService.offline
# [19:35] <gavin> or somesuch
# [19:35] <@khuey> yep
# [19:35] <mreid> ooh, nice
# [19:35] <mreid> thanks
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# [19:37] <jdm> I hate that apple-q is so close to apple-w and we don't prompt by default
# [19:37] <nemo> jdm: heh. ditto, and linux
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# [19:37] <jdm> yep
# [19:37] <nemo> jdm: you can manually remove it
# [19:37] <jhammel> beh, don't make mistakes ;)
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# [19:37] <nemo> unfortunately there's no hidden config
# [19:38] <jdm> huh
# [19:38] <jdm> I have showQuitWarning = true and warnOnQuit = true, but no prompt
# [19:38] <jdm> what gives here?
# [19:38] <mwu> what do you have set for homepage?
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# [19:39] <mwu> if set to session restore by default it might disable that prompt
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# [19:39] <jdm> yeah, that's the case
# [19:39] <jdm> that feels silly to me
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# [19:40] <zpao> that whole thing is a rat's nest
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# [19:45] <mdas> Mossop: ping
# [19:45] <Mossop> mdas: pong
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# [19:47] <mdas> Mossop: Hey there, I'm working on a project called Marionette, which is a test tool used to remotely control/test devices. We're using the remote-debugger, and I noticed you were the one who did the superreview for them
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# [19:48] <Mossop> Uhh yeah, that was me
# [19:48] <mdas> Mossop: Our code lives in toolkit and I was hoping you'd be able to review our code as a superreview before we land it?
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# [19:48] <Mossop> Does it need superreview?
# [19:49] <mdas> Mossop: we're not sure, but since we're landing new modules within toolkit, we thought it would be necessary
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# [19:49] <mdas> s/modules/components
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# [19:51] <Mossop> mdas: If it's code that is only for automated tests then I suspect it doesn't, but I guess I could just decide that at the time of review
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# [19:52] <mdas> Mossop: Thanks! yes it's used for automated testing now, but it may grow to be used in other parts of the codebase (mochitest for one).
# [19:53] <mdas> I also had a general question that I hear you might be able to help with. How do you make an about:config pref hidden?
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# [19:54] <Mossop> mdas: You just don't include it in the default prefs files
# [19:55] <Mossop> mdas: So I can fairly quickly decide if the code actually needs SR. If it does though it might be a while before I have chance to even look at it as I'm in work weeks till the end of next week
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# [19:56] <mdas> Mossop: sure, what information do you need to decide if it needs SR?
# [19:57] <mdas> and that's fine, I still need to do a little bit of code cleanup before it's ready for review, but that will be done by tomorrow. I just wanted to get an idea of a timeline or if SR is neede
# [19:57] <Mossop> mdas: Is there a feature page I can look over or something like that?
# [19:58] <gavin> is there a bug?
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# [19:59] <mdas> Mossop: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Marionette this is the high-level user overview of marionette. But for the more technical side, use this: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Auto-tools/Projects/Marionette/DevNotes#Marionette_JSON_Protocol
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# [20:00] <mdas> gavin: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712643
# [20:00] <mdas> is the bug for tracking marionette getting landed onto m-c
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# [20:01] <gavin> mdas: is there a roll-up patch against m-c that you could attach?
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# [20:02] <mdas> gavin: the bug is linked to our current patch queue code base: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/mdas_mozilla.com/marionette-pq . I haven't submitted the full patch to the bug yet as it won't be ready until tomorrow at the earliest
# [20:02] <gavin> mdas: yeah, I saw, but reading a patch queue is hard
# [20:03] <gavin> reading a patch is easy
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# [20:03] <mdas> gavin: totally with you there :)
# [20:03] <gavin> doesn't have to be complete before posting
# [20:03] <gavin> you can even post many patches and hide older ones :)
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# [20:04] <mdas> gavin: sure I can put one up in the meantime then
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# [20:07] <gavin> hmm, some oranges on mak's push that aren't easily starrable
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# [20:08] <jlebar> Callek, why the heck are you doing that?
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# [20:09] <Callek> jlebar: writing a script that releng (might) run weekly to close extra heads ;-)
# [20:09] <Callek> (well old extra heads)
# [20:09] <jlebar> Ah. Carry on, then! :)
# [20:09] <Callek> hehe, I know its for a good reason, but I still feel dirty
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# [20:10] <jlebar> turbojpeg, So wrt libjpeg-turbo 1.2 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698519
# [20:10] <jlebar> turbojpeg, We're trying to figure out a performance regression we saw when we pushed it.
# [20:10] <jlebar> turbojpeg, Currently waiting for glandium to weigh in.
# [20:10] <turbojpeg> yeah, just didn't want it to fall through the cracks and be forgotten :)
# [20:11] <froydnj> webkit recently pushed a libjpeg-turbo tweak that sped things up by 9%
# [20:11] <jlebar> froydnj, It was switching to the ifast DCT.
# [20:11] <jlebar> froydnj, We could do that, but it would break all our reftests.
# [20:11] <jlebar> It broke all of theirs, too.
# [20:11] <mdas> Mossop: gavin: the bug has been updated with the rolled up patch file
# [20:11] <@khuey> lol
# [20:11] <@khuey> do they just not care?
# [20:11] <jlebar> khuey, They have an easy way to rebase the reftests, it seems.
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# [20:12] <@khuey> ah
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# [20:12] <turbojpeg> all Google cares about is speed, anything else be damned? :)
# [20:12] <jlebar> FWIW, I'm discovering in these bugs that there's a lot more affecting our jpeg decode speed than just the jpeg library.
# [20:12] <jlebar> In fact, the jpeg library is only half of the decode time, on desktop.
# [20:12] <jlebar> So I'm not worried if libjpeg-turbo 1.2 doesn't make it in to FF13.
# [20:12] <jduell> bz: if I make Websockets observe DOM_WINDOW_FROZEN_TOPIC, do they need to observer (and restart at?) DOM_WINDOW_THAWED_TOPIC?
# [20:13] <jlebar> turbojpeg, I was hoping for a large improvement on Android, but it's just not there.
# [20:14] <jlebar> turbojpeg, The opportunities for improvement on Android may be things like decoding to a downsampled version, and auto RGB --> RGBX conversion.
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# [20:14] <jlebar> But we're not there yet anyway.
# [20:14] <turbojpeg> ahh, I see
# [20:15] <@bz> jduell: imho we should prevent bfcache on pages with websockets
# [20:15] <@bz> jduell: so they should never get a THAWED_TOPIC
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# [20:15] <jduell> bz: should I file a bug for that?
# [20:16] <@bz> I'd think it should happen automaticall
# [20:16] <@bz> er, automatically
# [20:16] <@bz> if those loads are in the loadgroup....
# [20:16] <@bz> worth checking, though
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# [20:16] <@bz> perhaps even worth writing a test for
# [20:17] <jduell> bz: I haven't written mochitests that do page navigation back and forward--can you point me at examples?
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# [20:17] <@khuey> gah
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# [20:17] <@khuey> pointer replay is awful when doing record and replay
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# [20:18] <jduell> bz: also, do we have a bug open for your loadgroup-per-document idea? The current WS "fix" still opens a websocket just to close it, which is gross
# [20:18] <@bz> jduell: pick any test that's using http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/docshell/test/navigation/NavigationUtils.js ?
# [20:18] <jduell> bz: ok, thanks
# [20:18] <@bz> jduell: I don't think we do, no
# [20:18] <jduell> bz: should we open one?
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# [20:20] <jduell> bz: and are we ok with a model where if you start to navigate away from a page with websockets connection (so we cancel them), but then you cancel the navigation, the old page is still there, with WS's disconnected?
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# [20:26] <turbojpeg> about Firefox Metro, will it be available in both x86 and ARM? also please say you won't support plugins in Firefox Metro, Flash needs to die in a fire faster
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# [20:26] <@khuey> I don't think any of those decisions have been made yet
# [20:27] <@khuey> we're not even sure we'll be able to use Gecko on Metro, AIUI
# [20:27] <mak> jdm: ping, when you wish
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# [20:27] <Mossop> We don't even know if it would be possible to support plugins on metro
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# [20:27] <jdm> mak: I have a proposal for the download manager API
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# [20:28] <mak> jdm: nice, willing to move to a private chat so we don't spam the channel?
# [20:28] <jdm> sure
# [20:28] <turbojpeg> well, IE10 Metro has no plugin support, so you can blame MS and say nothing we can do about it ;)
# [20:29] <Callek> jlebar: sooo this *will* be a fun expiriment: |added 8117 changesets with 22607 changes to 6328 files (+1406 heads)|
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# [20:31] <espindola> rail: btw, compiler-rt doesn't build on 10.5
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# [20:31] <espindola> I hope that is OK, since we are now building on 10.6
# [20:32] <espindola> i.e, we don't need a 10.5 package
# [20:32] <rail> espindola: even debug?
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# [20:32] <espindola> rail: yes :-)
# [20:32] <rail> nice!
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# [20:34] <rail> espindola: in this case I'll need to puppetize it properly so it doesn't try to install clang on 10.5
# [20:34] <philor> even on mozilla-release?
# [20:34] <espindola> ah, do you have an example I can follow?
# [20:34] <espindola> philor: not yet
# [20:34] <espindola> but we will not switch old branches to clang...
# [20:34] <philor> I know, I just checked my retrigger to see that we finally aren't, because we were :)
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# [20:35] <jwatt> dbaron: any thoughts on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=416581#c33 ?
# [20:35] <jwatt> mostly the canStoreInRuleTree bit
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# [20:36] <espindola> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9361507&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1
# [20:36] <espindola> slave is darwin10 :-)
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# [20:39] <glandium> jlebar: what i am waited for?
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# [20:40] <rail> espindola: http://hg.mozilla.org/build/puppet-manifests/file/tip/modules/packages/manifests/devtools.pp#l252
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# [20:40] <jlebar> glandium, Whether you can provide any insight as to why libjepg-turbo 1.2 caused a regression on Dromaeo DOM, a test which does not include any jpegs.
# [20:40] <jlebar> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698519
# [20:40] <espindola> rail: thanks. I will update the manifest after my 1:1
# [20:41] <rail> sure, no rush
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# [20:42] <NeilAway> Callek: and so you should, since that's not a real URI :-P
# [20:42] <jdm> firebot: Mardak?
# [20:43] <firebot> jdm: Oh, I know this one! Mardak is Edward Lee (edilee@gmail.com, bugmail edilee@mozilla.com). He works on the AwesomeBar and Download Manager.
# [20:43] <jdm> thanks firebot
# [20:43] <firebot> jdm: np
# [20:43] <Mardak> jdm: hi?
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# [20:43] <jdm> Mardak: just looking for your email for a conversation about an API change for the download manager
# [20:43] <Callek> NeilAway: :-P :-P
# [20:43] <gcp> random: on Windows, the request to make us the default link-opening program could be handled through maintenanceservice and avoid and UAC prompt
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# [20:46] <gcp> dcamp: ah, I have some stuff for you to rereview
# [20:46] <dcamp> gcp: I don't see a request?
# [20:47] <gcp> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726002
# [20:47] <dcamp> weird
# [20:47] <gavin> how does one go about changing the tree message
# [20:47] <gavin> does that still use admintree?
# [20:47] <gcp> dcamp: btw, I'm monitoring the db's in Nightly closely. They seem to be slowly getting bigger, but I'm not positive yet if thats just a large active set of prefixes, or if I have a bug in updates.
# [20:48] <@khuey> gavin: afaik, yes
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# [20:49] <gavin> khuey: I'm changing it to remove you as arbiter of large C++ landings
# [20:49] <@khuey> sgtm
# [20:50] <@khuey> make sure you fix inbound too
# [20:50] <mdas> Mossop: regarding the hiding of a pref, I don't add it to the prefs file at all, I only create it via nsIPrefBranch, but I still see the pref in about:config. Are there any other steps I can take to hide it?
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# [20:50] <dcamp> gcp: ok, let me know what you find out
# [20:50] <mdas> Mossop: because I still see it in about:config
# [20:50] <mdas> (with a fresh profile)
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# [20:50] <Mossop> mdas: Oh no, once you give a pref a value it shows in about:config, there is no way to hide it from there
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# [20:51] <mdas> Mossop: ah, I wasn't sure if that was possible. okay, thank you!
# [20:52] <jhammel|lunch> mdas: just give it a cryptic name
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# [20:52] <mdas> jhammel|lunch: security through obfuscation! perfect plan
# [20:52] <Mossop> mdas: So from what I'm reading as long as this isn't shipping in release build I don't think it needs a superreview pass. Of course it needs a regular review pass and I have a few ideas who might do that if you don't already have appropriate people picked out
# [20:52] <@khuey> browser.cute_kittens.enabled
# [20:53] <jhammel|lunch> i thought it was shipping in release?
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# [20:53] <nemo> so, why are there not new quotes in the book of mozilla these days? I miss 'em
# [20:53] <Mossop> jhammel|lunch: If it is that is certainly a different kettle of fish
# [20:54] <jhammel|lunch> mdas, ctalbert: ^?
# [20:54] <mdas> Mossop: jhammel|lunch is right, it would be shipping out
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# [21:04] <@dbaron> bz, search in the wrong bugzilla, or filed in the wrong bugzilla?
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# [21:25] <bhearsum> when is it that we're dropping 10.5 support? am i remembering correctly that it's in 13?
# [21:25] <jlebar> bhearsum, No.
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# [21:25] <jlebar> bhearsum, Josh says maybe 15, but we'll see.
# [21:26] <bhearsum> ah, ok
# [21:26] <jlebar> bhearsum, Well...you were remembering correctly.
# [21:26] <jlebar> But he changed is mind. :)
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# [21:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a599bea9935a - Gavin Sharp - Bug 727244: tabbrowser exception when dropping links on tabs, r=fryn
# [21:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dbf20cd5526f - Gavin Sharp - Bug 727131: add pref to control whether searches from the context menu open in the background, r=dao
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# [21:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4b89efc958a1 - Gavin Sharp - Bug 726866: remove nsIMessageWakeupService since it isn't built/used, r=mfinkle
# [21:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9e13c1e9052e - Gavin Sharp - Bug 726864: package wakeUpService in Firefox, r=ttaubert
# [21:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ee85dca9fe03 - Gavin Sharp - Bug 724116 followup: get rid of the .inc file since it confuses l10n tools, f=axel
# [21:28] <espindola> rail: what is the difference of "package" and "install_dmg"?
# [21:28] <espindola> just curious
# [21:28] <bhearsum> jlebar: ahhhh, thank you!
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# [21:29] <rail> espindola: install_dmg is the old one, obsoleted by package
# [21:31] <espindola> ah, thanks
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# [21:32] <rail> np
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# [21:33] <jaws> smontagu: are you comfortable reviewing the patch for bug 725700?
# [21:34] <Ms2ger> jaws, just r? :)
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# [21:34] <smontagu> jaws: i'm glad you asked :)
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# [21:34] <smontagu> doesn't it need some kind of UX sign off?
# [21:34] <smontagu> personally I don't like the change
# [21:34] <gaston> is there a tracking/meta bug for "let's try to do less and less things between two builds with same unchanged source' ?
# [21:35] <Ms2ger> gaston, none that I know of
# [21:35] <jaws> it doesn't need any UX sign off, since it's making consistent the changes that got UX sign off in bug 710373
# [21:35] <gaston> bugs me to see ld spending 10mn on libxul.so when nothing changed since my last make..
# [21:36] <jaws> Ms2ger, yeah just r?
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# [21:36] <@ted> gaston: no, but we like to fix dependency bugs
# [21:36] <smontagu> jaws: the problem that this aims to solve is that scrolling is too slow?
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# [21:36] <@ted> i think glandium mentioned there was some outstanding bug
# [21:36] <jaws> smontagu: yeah
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# [21:37] <smontagu> and is there no way to do this without making scrolling coarser? that's the part I don't like
# [21:37] <jaws> smontagu: this is under the umbrella of snappy scrolling (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710372)
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# [21:37] <jaws> smontagu: i'm not sure what is meant by making it coarser. can you reword the question?
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# [21:38] <smontagu> making the minimum scrollable amount less fine-grained
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# [21:40] <jaws> ah i understand your question now... the majority case of scrolling is to move down larger distances than one or two lines, so this benefits that situation more
# [21:40] <jaws> however with this patch, users will be able to change the about:config pref if they so desire
# [21:40] <smontagu> so by my own argument I should like it? :)
# [21:40] <jaws> currently there is no way to change this distance
# [21:41] <gaston> hah nice pgo works in Xnest if i export DISPLAY
# [21:41] <smontagu> ok, you talked me into it, r=me
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# [21:43] <gaston> now how to automate it...
# [21:43] <espindola> mak: on 721603, there are no inline methods...
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# [21:46] <mak> espindola: ehr I said inline, I just meant implementation
# [21:47] <mak> espindola: in the class declaration itself
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# [21:48] <espindola> mak: not sure I follow, Complete is already declared by NS_DECL_MOZISTORAGECOMPLETIONCALLBACK
# [21:48] <espindola> no?
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# [21:49] <mak> espindola: ah yes, you could proably aboid that DECL
# [21:49] <mak> avoid
# [21:49] <mak> espindola: btw, not important
# [21:50] <mak> I care most you move that notify
# [21:50] <espindola> yes, I will push to try again just to be sure...
# [21:50] <gaston> ah not nice, after js-input/string-validate-input.html during profiling, seems ffx went into an infinite loop taking all cpu
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# [21:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/334d8674cdb6 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 718020. (Av1) test_bug583889.html: Delay "SimpleTest.finish()" call, Add missing 'yield' in bug583889_inner1.html, Add documentation. r=roc.
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# [21:57] <jwir3> during reflow (after the initial reflow, but during an incremental reflow), a content rect that has area on the screen (like, say a line of text), should always have width > 0, shouldn't it?
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# [22:00] <@roc> depends on what you mean by the line of text
# [22:00] <@roc> if you mean a text frame, then "usually"
# [22:00] <@roc> it's possible to have zero-width glyphs that render stuff
# [22:00] <@roc> glyphs can overflow their advance width
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# [22:01] <jdm> because of english language ambiguity, I like to imagine that the silent update meeting consists of a bunch of people sitting around a table drawing expressive status updates for each other
# [22:01] <dholbert> jwir3, you could also have e.g. <div style="width: 0px">abc</div>
# [22:01] <dholbert> jwir3, in which case the div's mRect has width = 0, but "abc" still paints on the screen
# [22:01] <jwir3> dholbert: well, sure. But, what I mean is a case that doesn't have a special property like that.
# [22:02] <dholbert> jwir3, that case isn't too special. :)
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# [22:02] <jwir3> dholbert: In the case I'm speaking of, it's something that doesn't have a specified width
# [22:03] <jwir3> I guess what I'm asking is, "Does it default to 0?"
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# [22:03] <jwir3> because I'm getting aFrame->GetContentRect().width == 0 where the frame I'm interested in is aFrame
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# [22:04] <dholbert> you mean "might we temporarily set width to 0 during incremental reflow, and then end up with it at a nonzero final value"?
# [22:04] <jwir3> perhaps that's what I mean, yes. ;)
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# [22:05] <dholbert> (To the question as I phrased it: I suspect "no", but I'm not sure. :) roc would know better)
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# [22:06] <jwir3> so, let's assume the answer to the question is "no". Then, I think there's something incorrect about the way I'm trying to get the width. Because it shouldn't return 0 with width: auto as a computed style... or, rather, would you expect it to?
# [22:07] <dholbert> jwir3, I think it should, if there's nothing inside of it
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# [22:07] <dholbert> jwir3, er wait
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# [22:08] <dholbert> jwir3, well it depends what this thing is, to start with. width:auto for a div goes to "100%", width:auto on a span goes to 0 IIRC
# [22:08] <jwir3> hmmm... it's an anchor element
# [22:08] <jwir3> so, <A>
# [22:08] <dholbert> that's like a span
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# [22:09] <jwir3> OHO... that would make sense then
# [22:09] <dholbert> though from local testing, it looks like an empty span ends up with "width:auto" not 0
# [22:09] <dholbert> (though its frame has 0-width)
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# [22:09] <jwir3> would it's content rect have 0-width though?
# [22:09] <dholbert> yeah
# [22:09] <jwir3> hm ok
# [22:10] <jwir3> then do you know a way I can retrieve the width of a frame, as in the width displayed on the screen?
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# [22:10] <jdm> nooooo, I did a full rebuild and now have to clobber to fix a linker error
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# [22:11] <@bz> jwir3: what do you mean by "displayed?
# [22:11] <@bz> jwir3: and you mean an nsIFrame, right?
# [22:12] <jwir3> bz: yes, I mean an nsIFrame. What I mean is that, once reflow is complete (for a given iteration of reflow), if I do nsIFrame::GetSize().width, will that return the size, in px, of an anchor element when it's drawn?
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# [22:12] <jwir3> assuming, that the nsIFrame corresponds to the frame for that <A> element
# [22:12] <@bz> jwir3: that will return the width, in app units, of the border-box of the corresponding CSS box
# [22:13] <@bz> jwir3: the px width will be 1/60 times that
# [22:13] <@bz> jwir3: (the CSS px width)
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# [22:13] <jwir3> bz: hm, ok. I think I can work with that.
# [22:13] <jwir3> bz, dholbert: Thanks for the assistance.
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# [22:19] <@bz> "This article applies to a different operating system than the one you are using. Article content that may not be relevant to you is disabled."
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# [22:20] <NeilAway> bz: is it expected that document.activeElement could return native anonymous content for file inputs?
# [22:20] <gavin> is that sumo?
# [22:20] <jhammel> you shouldn't be reading articles about operating systems you're not currently using to browse
# [22:21] <@bz> NeilAway: that seems buggy
# [22:21] <@bz> gavin: that's http://support.microsoft.com/kb/983509
# [22:21] <@bz> gavin: when read on a Mac
# [22:21] <@bz> jhammel: apparently!
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# [22:23] <NeilAway> bz: well, I just tried this on trunk, and document.activeElement returns the anonymous button, but you don't seem to be able to do anything with it from content, except implicitly convert it to string
# [22:24] <Callek> anyone want to make a comment on "how long we should wait before a `--close-branch` on try" ? (rather than stripping all the revs)
# [22:24] <Callek> for data: right now on try there are |Total Heads 1265| on default, if I was to close anything older than 14 days ago, I would strip |Total Heads Being Trimmed 467| and if I was to close older than 7 days: |Total Heads Being Trimmed 868|
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# [22:25] <rillian> roc: I remain unenlightened with respect to my anonymous content not rendering
# [22:25] <rillian> would you mind taking another look at http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1484935 ?
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# [22:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ae8cce613aa0 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 721065. (Av1b) pyxpt: Report Typelib filename, when IIDs/names differ. r=ted.mielczarek.
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# [22:28] <@roc> looking
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# [22:31] <@roc> get rid of the videocontrols.xml hunk
# [22:32] <@roc> I don't see anything obvious this time preventing your anon content from rendering
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# [22:32] <rillian> roc: darn
# [22:32] <rillian> removing the hunk doesn't make a difference
# [22:32] <rillian> I don't *think* it's rendering order
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# [22:32] <rillian> changing the element order doesn't help
# [22:32] <rillian> and I don't see it under a transparent poster frame
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# [22:33] <@roc> try dumping the frame tree after everything's loaded
# [22:33] <rillian> in the debugger?
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# [22:33] <rillian> or do we have a call for that?
# [22:33] <@roc> set a breakpoint in nsVideoFrame::BuildDisplayList and then evaluate nsFrame::DumpFrameTree(this)
# [22:33] <@roc> get a dump on stdout
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# [22:34] <rillian> ta
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# [22:45] <whimboo> armenzg_buildduty: hey.. fyi clang builds are currently broken. see bug 727595
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# [22:46] <bhearsum> espindola, rail: ^
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# [22:48] <mak> whimboo: the fix should already be in central, isn't it?
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# [22:48] <whimboo> mak: tha'ts a different one
# [22:48] <mak> ah :(
# [22:48] <whimboo> mak: neverending story :(
# [22:48] <whimboo> kinda hard to build these days
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# [22:49] <mak> it's like when pymake breaks
# [22:49] <mak> we don't have coverage for those
# [22:49] <whimboo> bad
# [22:49] <armenzg_buildduty> philor: where the tegras are stored is very hot and might cause test failures or dying machines
# [22:49] <armenzg_buildduty> we don't know
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# [23:05] <cviecco> Would anybody vouch for me for level1 access (try server) ?
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# [23:13] <Callek> cviecco: what is your bugmail address, or what project(s) are you working on?
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# [23:14] <cers> are there any good IDE's for working with the firefox codebase? one that can manage to look up macros, definitions, possibly even to debug etc?
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# [23:17] <mwu> cers: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ and http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/ aren't IDE's but they're useful for looking up where things are defined and used
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# [23:22] <cviecco> Called: cviecco@mozilla.com, I am working on Bug 724299 removing access to Components from non chrome js.
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# [23:28] <Callek> cviecco: for my personal trust level, I'm not yet comfortable vouching based on what I see at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=user_activity.html&action=run&who=cviecco%40mozilla.com&from=2011-11-01&to=2012-02-15 Perhaps your immediate supervisor feels you need it, until then someone else can likely get your patch(es) pushed to try for you.
# [23:28] <Callek> cviecco: good luck though, and "welcome aboard"
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# [23:31] <cviecco> thank you.
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# [23:34] <krit> dbaron: ping
# [23:34] <@dbaron> krit, pon
# [23:34] <krit> hi dbaron.
# [23:34] <krit> dbaron: I wanted to talk about two topics with you
# [23:35] <krit> dbaron: rotate with 3 arguments, and editorship of CSS Transforms
# [23:35] <krit> dbaron: do you have a moment?
# [23:35] <@dbaron> krit, sure
# [23:35] <krit> dbaron: First, I replied to your last mail regarding this topic on www-style
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# [23:36] <krit> dbaron: I believe that a rotate with three arguments is necessary for the use of SVG
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# [23:36] <krit> dbaron: or better for integrating CSS Transforms in SVG
# [23:36] <krit> dbaron: this is the last outstanding issue on the syntax
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# [23:37] <@dbaron> krit, I'm worried about it adding an obstacle to unprefixing.
# [23:37] <krit> dbaron: I proposed solutions for all other syntax differences that won't harm CSS
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# [23:37] <krit> dbaron: why do you think that will block unprefixing?
# [23:37] <@dbaron> krit, I'll reply on the list
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# [23:38] <krit> dbaron: thanks
# [23:38] <@dbaron> krit, you're Dirk Schulze, right?
# [23:39] <njn> ehsan: ping
# [23:39] <krit> dbaron: the second topic, the editorship. I suggested Aryeh as editor for CSS Transforms, the other ediors are afraid because he is not fully working for Mozilla
# [23:39] <krit> dbaron: yes I am
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# [23:39] <@ehsan> njn: hi
# [23:39] <njn> ehsan: hi
# [23:39] <njn> ehsan: I have some clipboard code in a test: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/aboutmemory/tests/test_aboutmemory.xul#574
# [23:39] <njn> ehsan: it works great there
# [23:39] <@ehsan> right
# [23:39] <njn> ehsan: I copied it almost verbatim to a new, related test and it's not working
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# [23:40] <@ehsan> njn: which parts have you copied?
# [23:40] <njn> ehsan: for |actual| I'm seeing 0-waitForClipboard-known-value
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# [23:40] <krit> dholbert: the other ediors want to have more continuity on editorship
# [23:40] <njn> ehsan: everything from line 574 down
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# [23:40] <@ehsan> njn: looking
# [23:40] <dholbert> krit, (was that^ actually for dbaron? I haven't been following)
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# [23:41] <njn> ehsan: I've also successfully copied that to another test before
# [23:41] <krit> dholbert: yes it was :P
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# [23:41] <@dbaron> krit, Aryeh has time to help with editing and I think he'd be good at it
# [23:41] <krit> dholbert: did I accidently take you?
# [23:41] <dholbert> you did indeed
# [23:41] <dholbert> s'ok though :)
# [23:42] <@ehsan> njn: what error are you getting?
# [23:42] <njn> ehsan: for |actual| I'm getting "0-waitForClipboard-known-value"
# [23:42] <krit> dbaron: I agree. But the other ediors want to have more continuity on editorship (to be sure that you read that, since I took dholbert)
# [23:42] <@ehsan> ah hmm
# [23:43] <@ehsan> njn: how do you trigger the copying operation?
# [23:43] <njn> ehsan: and the text isn't being selected
# [23:43] <@ehsan> njn: also, linux?
# [23:43] <krit> dbaron: That is why they asked for you or someone else who is working a longer period of time for Mozilla I guess
# [23:43] <njn> ehsan: linux, yes. See line 595 or so
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# [23:43] <@ehsan> ah hmm
# [23:43] <@ehsan> njn: so firstly you want waitForFocus there
# [23:43] <@ehsan> (depending on how you trigger copying0
# [23:44] <rillian> what does it mean for nsFrame::ContentIndexInContainer to return -1?
# [23:44] <@khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/generic/nsFrame.h#441
# [23:44] <njn> ehsan: but it works fine in the existing two tests...
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# [23:45] <@ehsan> njn: on linux, handling key events requires us to have focus
# [23:45] <@ehsan> njn: and the failure in case we don't have focus is intermittent
# [23:45] <@ehsan> so you may not always see it
# [23:45] <@ehsan> (you wanna change that test too I guess)
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# [23:45] <njn> ehsan: what exactly should I change?
# [23:45] <njn> ehsan: weird that I've never seen it in the existing 2 tests, but always see it in this one...
# [23:45] <@ehsan> njn: change addLoadEvent to SimpleTest.waitForFocus
# [23:46] <@dbaron> krit, I don't really have the time to do it. And if I do have the time to help with editing right now, it's probably better spent on transitions and animations (about which I know more) than on transforms.
# [23:46] <@ehsan> and see if it fixes things
# [23:46] <njn> ehsan: ok, trying
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# [23:46] <@bz> dbaron: could Matt help?
# [23:46] <krit> dbaron: do you have any other suggestions? or should I report the other editors that you strongly suggest Aryeh
# [23:46] <njn> ehsan: no change
# [23:46] * @bz thinks that we should just let Aryeh doing
# [23:46] <@dbaron> bz, not sure if he'd be interested
# [23:47] <@ehsan> njn: could you pastebin your test?
# [23:47] <@bz> because the chances of him going awol are Very Low compared to past editors of thes especs
# [23:47] <@bz> imo
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# [23:47] <@bz> er, s/doing/do it/
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# [23:47] <@dbaron> krit, I think the best course is to let Aryeh help with editing
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# [23:48] <njn> ehsan: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1484990
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# [23:48] <krit> dbaron: I agree. But I have to communicate this first
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# [23:49] <mattwoodrow> I'd vote for Aryeh too :)
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# [23:50] <@ehsan> njn: is there anything special about about:compartments?
# [23:50] <njn> ehsan: not really, it's very similar to about:memory
# [23:50] <@ehsan> njn: like, if you press ctrl+a after the test has failed, does stuff get selected?
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# [23:51] <RyanVM> njn: ping
# [23:51] <njn> ehsan: yes, it gets selected
# [23:51] <@ehsan> hmm
# [23:51] <njn> ehsan: I'll try just morphing the old test into the new one a single change at a time
# [23:51] <RyanVM> njn: You've got some spam getting through on your blog comments
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# [23:51] <@ehsan> njn: I don' see anything obviously wrong with your test... :/
# [23:51] <njn> ehsan: ok, thanks for the help
# [23:51] <@ehsan> well, np :)
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# [23:52] <@ehsan> but I didn't really help ;)
# [23:52] <@ehsan> just tried ;)
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# [23:53] <cers> mwu: thanks - I guess that might do - just struggling figuring out what is what in layout/style code :-)
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# [23:53] <mak> njn: I suspect this is just slower
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# [23:53] <mak> njn: the validator function should just return true or false, waitForClipboard will keep trying
# [23:54] <RyanVM> njn: one on the "The benefits of reducing memory consumption" post and a couple on the Week 35 post
# [23:54] <mak> njn: you should check in the failure callback
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# [23:54] <mak> njn: so it's normal for you validator to get the wrong value, it is used to poll the clipboard value
# [23:54] <njn> RyanVM: one sec
# [23:54] <njn> mak: the validator is checkClipboard()?
# [23:54] <mwu> cers: if you're only looking at c/c++ code, dxr should work great
# [23:55] <mak> njn: in your case yes
# [23:55] <njn> mak: hmm, ok... one difference is that about:compartments forces some GC/CC when it loads, so there will be a small delay
# [23:55] <mak> njn: for whatever reason, waitForClipboard uses a polling strategy
# [23:56] <mak> njn: so it may pass wrong data to the validator to know if it's the right data
# [23:56] <mak> you should not dump in the validator, dump in the success callback
# [23:56] <mak> feel free to improve the javadoc of waitForClipboard if you wish
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# [23:58] <njn> mak: the validator shouldn't dump, ok, but should it return false if the value doesn't match?
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# [23:58] <mak> njn: yes, it's used to figure out if the clipboard is ready, if after N tries it is still false, your failure callback will be invoked
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# [23:58] <njn> mak: ok
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# [23:59] <njn> ehsah, mak: I think the real problem is this: GC/CC is triggered when the page loads, so the page is blank to begin with and then half a second later the GC/CC finishes and the page content is generated
# [23:59] <njn> the old, empty DOM is discarded at that point
# [23:59] <njn> if the selection is happening immediately, that won't be good
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