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# Session Start: Thu Feb 16 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <mak> it's possible. regardless your dump is wrong and would be better to fix it (even in the old test)
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# [00:00] <njn> mak: I will
# [00:00] <mak> but should not fail the test... just dump useless data
# [00:00] <njn> so I want to delay the selection until the new DOM is generated, AFAICT
# [00:00] <njn> not sure how to do that
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# [00:04] <njn> RyanVM: the mozilla WordPress installation was upgraded
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# [00:05] <njn> the comment validator plug-in I was using was turned off, I supposedly turned a new one on but it doesn't seem to be working
# [00:05] <RyanVM> doh
# [00:05] <njn> RyanVM: and I didn't get emailed all the new comments this morning, which is odd
# [00:05] * njn sighs
# [00:07] <zwol> I'm looking for memshrink people, I've got an informant in another window who claims a 300K/sec idle memory leak came back with the 9->10 upgrade
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# [00:07] <mak> njn: ^
# [00:07] <njn> zwol: go to #memshrink
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# [00:07] <zwol> doh
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# [00:10] <Fallen> is there an easy way to see how much memory is used by a specific js object?
# [00:10] <biesi> that is actually a tricky question
# [00:10] <@bz> no
# [00:11] <@bz> and what biesi said
# [00:11] <@khuey> sizeof(JSObject)?
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# [00:11] <@bz> what are you really trying to do?
# [00:11] <@bz> khuey: 16~
# [00:11] <taras> njn: are we doing any more telemetry studies on memory impact of addons?
# [00:11] <@bz> er, 16!
# [00:11] <taras> ie finding worst offenders?
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# [00:11] <biesi> bz, so, 16*15*14*...? ;)
# [00:12] <@bz> biesi: not quite. ;)
# [00:12] <njn> taras: I have no idea. Saptarshi told us he was analyzing FF7/8/9, but he wrote the blog post about 10/11/12
# [00:12] <Fallen> oh actually I'm just curious. I'm working on the data structure for a parser and would like to know how much memory I'm using so I can possibly optimize it
# [00:12] <taras> that's not good
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# [00:16] <njn> taras: we offered him any help he needed, practically pleaded to be involved, and he just published his report and then subsequently emailed me to ask if he got anything wrong
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# [00:17] <taras> njn: sounds like you need more in-person time
# [00:17] <taras> khuey: should hang out with him more in person
# [00:17] <@khuey> hmm?
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# [00:18] <cers> mwu: mostly, yeah
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# [00:38] <Callek> glandium: ping?
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# [00:39] <Callek> glandium: soooo I suspect http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showlog.cgi?log=ThunderbirdTrunk/1329341116.1329347046.14348.gz&fulltext=1#err0 is due to http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/71d144fbd53e is that a fair assumption?
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# [00:40] <Waldo> Callek: it's like midnight, yo
# [00:40] <Waldo> Callek: but yes, probably
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# [00:40] <Waldo> Callek: you probably need some of the gluey Makefile.in changes there, maybe
# [00:40] <Callek> Waldo: well this is erroring in _toolkit_ on our end
# [00:41] <Callek> err not toolkit netwerk
# [00:41] <Waldo> is Thunderbird linking to libxul something crazy?
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# [00:41] <Callek> but either way, its mozilla/ side
# [00:41] <Waldo> Callek: perhaps try clobbering?
# [00:41] <Callek> Waldo: TB (and suite) do "fat" libxul
# [00:41] <Callek> Waldo: clobbering was done, didn't help
# [00:41] <Waldo> Callek: which means...
# [00:42] <Callek> Waldo: taht we build some stuff and have those things linked into libxul as part of the mozilla build process
# [00:42] <Callek> generally if things were to fail they wouldn't fail at the linking stage here
# [00:44] <Waldo> well, that change was all about adjusting linking stuff
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# [00:45] <Waldo> so a failure in linking is not entirely surprising, as failure modes go
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# [00:45] <Callek> yea I understand
# [00:47] <Waldo> where does this fat-linking stuff happen in c-c?
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# [00:49] <Callek> Waldo: well its "complex" since it happens in c-c *and* m-c
# [00:50] <Waldo> whatever's going weird is clearly only going weird in c-c right now, so that's where we need to look
# [00:50] <Callek> well the dirs are called into from m-c, built in c-c, linked in m-c based on info from c-c
# [00:50] <Callek> (linked in m-c along with the rest of libxul)
# [00:51] <Waldo> I wonder if http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/file/02fc13ae8f5b/mailnews/build/Makefile.in needs MOZ_GLUE_LDFLAGS or whatever it's called
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# [00:52] <Callek> not likely
# [00:53] <Callek> I think I have a fix, I'm going to push as potential bustage-fix
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# [00:53] <Callek> Waldo: do you want to f/r+ it from a pastebin?
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# [00:53] <Waldo> Callek: possibly, although I might also punt to someone else -- but give it a try
# [00:53] <Callek> Waldo: (c-c only patch, fwiw)
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# [00:57] <Callek> Waldo: http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1485021
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# [00:57] <Callek> err forgot to save the configure.in part
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# [00:59] <Callek> Waldo: actually no configure.in changes necessary (I think)
# [01:00] <Waldo> Callek: not implausible; you have my rubberstamp assuming it builds, but I'd prefer khuey or someone who actually knows what he's doing looked at it
# [01:00] <Callek> Waldo: unfortunately I *don't* have linux to test with
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# [01:01] <Callek> so was going to land, and if it doesn't fix the bustage (or causes new bustage) back out
# [01:01] <Callek> happy for more eyes though
# [01:01] <Waldo> Callek: does try not work for c-c?
# [01:02] <Callek> Waldo: there is a TB try, but its delay is multi-hour, and not as reliable as m-c try
# [01:02] <Callek> (in my experiences)
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# [01:02] <Waldo> I'd try it if it were me, but it's your thing, really
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# [01:06] <njn> ehsan, mak: if I disable the GC/CC on page load it works fine. So I need to delay the selection with ctrl-a. Any suggestions?
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# [01:19] <lurking> njn: quick question - I was just reading Planet and saw your post about memory reporters for GPU in about:memory - however I don't see any such gpu-committed”, “gpu-dedicated” and “gpu-shared” entries , my GPU is an on-board chip HD3200 ATI - maybe that's the reason >?
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# [01:19] <njn> lurking: http://blog.mozilla.com/nnethercote/2012/02/15/memshrink-progress-week-35/comment-page-1/#comment-5211 might explain it
# [01:19] * lurking reading thanks
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# [01:25] <Mark_Capella> Can someone quick-comment on Bug 721496 - Remove code ifdef'd MOZ_WINSDK_TARGETVER for pre-Windows 7 SDKs ?
# [01:25] <Mark_Capella> How long should I wait for a review of a patch that hits 25 files before I worry it won't apply anymore?
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# [01:25] <jhammel> 13 seconds ;)
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# [01:25] <Mark_Capella> Hah
# [01:26] <jtcranmer> depends which files and which portions of said files
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# [01:27] <Mark_Capella> oh and I'm sorry ... i thought I was on my #introduction tab
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# [01:32] <@khuey> bholley: ping
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# [01:39] <Waldo> Mark_Capella: no worries, we don't bite hard here
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# [01:40] <Mark_Capella> :-P
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# [01:42] <@stuart> has much changed in firefox's caching in the last little while?
# [01:42] <jlebar> C++11 sez: "The virt-specifiers 'override' and 'final' may only appear in the *declaration* of a virtual member function." Does that mean there's no way to mark |virtual void foo() { ... }| with override?
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# [01:52] <krit> dbaron: AryehGregor: could you read my last comment on www-style with the topic [CSS-transforms] rotate(<angle>[, <translation-value>, <translation-value>])
# [01:52] <Waldo> jlebar|away: virtual void foo() override { }
# [01:54] <@roc> that is a declaration
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# [01:57] <jlebar|away> Oh, because I misspelled MOZ_OVERRIDE.
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# [02:33] <JonathanS> in Bug 638004, I hate to see console spam for it.
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# [03:11] <gavin> philor: what does "infra after successful runs" mean?
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# [03:16] <dholbert> gavin, without any context, I'd guess that the testsuite/whatever completed successfully, and the box died after that
# [03:16] <gavin> that seems reasonable, but the pluralization of "runs" seems a bit odd
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# [03:19] <lurking> gavin: thanks for the context-search patch - works great ! :)
# [03:19] <gavin> you're welcome
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# [03:36] <njn> when did the -f option to |hg qnew| become unnecessary?
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# [03:46] <Unfocused> njn: quite awhile ago
# [03:46] <njn> Unfocused: I've been wasting keystrokes all this time
# [03:46] <Unfocused> save the electrons!
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# [04:20] <philor> gavin: I was starring two at once, thus runs
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# [04:24] <philor> also, why is it that every single time I cheat, someone notices?
# [04:24] * jhammel blames http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/6265
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# [04:29] <philor> I must do two or three hundred a day, but one little paste of the link to the bug instead of the link to a log, and half a dozen people notice
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# [04:29] <jhammel> well, you're like me ;) when other people behave badly, somehow that is okay, but when you mess up its a federal case, and you'll never know why
# [04:30] <jhammel> there is some greater Truth of Life there somewhere
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# [04:45] <qheaden> Hello everyone!
# [04:46] <qheaden> Unfocused: ping
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# [04:48] * philor discovers that other people cheat considerably worse than he does
# [04:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/592c27677267 - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 727401 - import libpng overflow patch from http://codereview.chromium.org/9363013 r=joe, a=akeybl
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# [04:53] <Unfocused> qheaden: hey :) hows it going?
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# [04:56] <qheaden> Unfocused: Hey, I'm coming along. Sorry for taking so long on the addon manager bug. School has had me locked down lately. :)
# [04:56] <qheaden> Unfocused: I'm going to start working on it again tomorrow. I'll work on implementing feedback, and the other changes you suggested in your last email.
# [04:56] <Unfocused> qheaden: it's ok, you've been making steady progress
# [04:56] <jhammel> you people and your "school" ;)
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# [04:57] <qheaden> jhammel: :P
# [04:57] * qheaden wishes he could code Mozilla during the time of his comptuer science class.
# [04:58] <Unfocused> so do we... so do we...
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# [04:58] <qheaden> :P
# [04:58] <Unfocused> wish more schools had projects oriented around contributing to open source projects - helps those projects, and the students end up learning a *lot* more
# [04:59] <qheaden> Amen to that.
# [04:59] <qheaden> Instead of just "hello world" all of the time, how about "let's add to Mozilla!" :)
# [04:59] <qheaden> They should expose students slowly to real-world code, not just textbook stuff.
# [04:59] <Unfocused> yep
# [05:00] <qheaden> I'm in a 201 level CS class, and my teacher is still teaching students to write C++ function prototype parameters without the name. :P
# [05:00] <qheaden> Everywhere I go, I see the name and the data type./
# [05:00] <jhammel> i was not a CS major...but i can say the CS majors at my school thought they were the shiznite their senior years but couldn't actually debug simple programs
# [05:00] <jhammel> it was...pretty sad
# [05:01] <qheaden> Yeah, that's why I joined Mozilla because coding my own projects all of the time became boring, and I picked on up some bad habits.
# [05:01] <clever> my CS course at school was visual basic...
# [05:01] <jhammel> clever: ouch!
# [05:01] <qheaden> Seeing other people's code helped me a great deal.
# [05:01] <clever> i already knew c/c++/java/html/javascript/perl back then
# [05:01] <clever> and vb
# [05:01] <Unfocused> jhammel: i was a CS major, and i saw that too :\ even saw a few CS majors graduate without being able to code, and most had no coding experience outside the classroom
# [05:01] <qheaden> clever: You have my sympathy. :P
# [05:01] <clever> and the school tech that installed vb, broke the system severely
# [05:01] <jhammel> Unfocused: heh ;)
# [05:02] <jhammel> 90% of learning coding is doing coding
# [05:02] <clever> he took my perms to the desktop away
# [05:02] <clever> so it spewed errors any time i had even 1 pixel of the desktop visible
# [05:02] <qheaden> I took a programming course in HS that used Visual Basic.
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# [05:02] <qheaden> jhammel: Same here. I learn by coding every day.
# [05:02] <clever> and it was only an online course, with a crappy server side script handling the tree listing
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# [05:03] <clever> if i tried to recursively print the page following links, the tree would open&close randomly, causing it to just print a mess of random articles
# [05:03] <qheaden> That's why programs such as Google Summer of Code is awesome. I hope Mozilla participates this year.
# [05:04] <clever> the electronics course was no better, he had us doing DC math on an AC curcuit
# [05:04] <clever> and being good at math, i ran every single formula on it, and found that they didnt fit
# [05:04] <qheaden> ha ha ha. Wow
# [05:04] <jhammel> hah!
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# [05:04] <clever> he claims my math was wrong
# [05:05] <qheaden> That's pretty sad. :P
# [05:05] <jhammel> clever: you should have ran integration just to prove a point ;)
# [05:05] <clever> i also wound up helping the computer applications teacher at several points
# [05:05] <clever> one student made a seperate power-point project for each slide, and the teacher couldnt fix it
# [05:06] <jhammel> hah!
# [05:06] <clever> i solved it in 30 seconds, and it was my first time even using power-point
# [05:06] <qheaden> lol
# [05:06] <clever> tile the windows, drag&drop slides between projects
# [05:06] <jhammel> i thought the answer was "don't user powerpoint" ;)
# [05:07] <clever> the entire 'computer applications' course as basicaly just microsoft office, html, and cleaning the mouse :P
# [05:07] <clever> oh, and the network security was a bit of a joke
# [05:08] <clever> start->run->'net send * hello'
# [05:08] <qheaden> The community college I am going to now is the only one in the area that actually uses C++ for their CS courses. The others use Java.
# [05:08] <clever> the message pops up on every computer in the entire LAN
# [05:08] <clever> every school in the province shares the broadcast domain
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# [05:08] <jhammel> qheaden: i always felt bad for the people after me at my school who were taught java before C++
# [05:08] <jhammel> in retrospect, real bad
# [05:08] <qheaden> Yeah.
# [05:08] <clever> so with one command, i can spam nearly every school in the province...
# [05:09] <qheaden> C/C++ should always come first, as it is the basis for a lot of other languages.
# [05:09] <clever> only good thing the techs did, they show up like the fbi in the movies :P
# [05:09] <clever> you spam the province, and they are ontop of you in under 5 minutes
# [05:09] <jhammel> C should come first
# [05:09] <jhammel> or assembly if you're a masochist
# [05:09] <qheaden> I think C and minor assembly should be taught first, and then you move up the chain.
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# [05:09] <jhammel> once you understand C, you can sorta see where C++ is going (even if you don't get all of the intricacies)
# [05:09] <qheaden> Going from low to high is much easier than going the other way.
# [05:10] <jhammel> although, as a python programmer these days, i could make an argument for python
# [05:10] <jhammel> it is very easy to learn
# [05:10] * qheaden is looking up the net send command now. :P
# [05:10] <jhammel> but you'll never learn about "pointers" or "memory" etc
# [05:10] <qheaden> Yeah.
# [05:10] <clever> qheaden: it was also used by other students to bypass the 'no IM clients' rule
# [05:11] * Unfocused notices a distinct lack of mention of any functional languages
# [05:11] <clever> qheaden: net send USERNAME 'hello', would send the msg to a certain user on the network
# [05:11] <clever> so the school was running im clients they didnt even know they had :P
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# [05:11] <qheaden> clever: It pops up as a window alert or something?
# [05:11] <clever> qheaden: yep
# [05:11] <qheaden> Wow. :P
# [05:11] <clever> even if you arent logged in
# [05:12] <clever> so it was sitting with an alert open on the login screen
# [05:12] <clever> of every computer in the broadcast domain
# [05:12] <qheaden> Ha ha, it seems that the send command has either been removed or renamed.
# [05:12] <qheaden> On windows 7 anyways.
# [05:12] <clever> the receive part is a windows service, thats enabled by default
# [05:13] <clever> ive heard stories about how un-firewalled pc's on the internet (yuck) are even getting spam thru that
# [05:13] <jhammel> it is nice to see how windows reinvents all of the unix security flaws one at a time ;)
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# [05:15] <qheaden> Unfocused: You said fryn can give me direction on how to implement drag feedback right?
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# [05:21] <Unfocused> qheaden: yep
# [05:21] <qheaden> Ok, I'll try to contact him for some info on drag feedback.
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# [05:26] <glob> another day, another firefox hang :( </vent>
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# [05:27] <jhammel> oh noez! no opening <vent>
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# [05:27] <jhammel> glob: i believe that there is some sort of "bug tracker" where you might note these issues :P
# [05:28] <jhammel> you'd have to ask glob for details though
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# [05:28] <glob> jhammel, this has already been done, of course :)
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# [05:29] <glob> jhammel, are you volunteering to fix it?
# [05:29] <jhammel> hah!
# [05:29] <jdm> sounds like he is to me!
# [05:30] <jhammel> i'm an automation and test developer, not a firefox developer! ;)
# [05:30] * jdm starts a slow chant of "fix IT"
# [05:30] <glob> jdm++
# [05:30] <jhammel> oh now you're complaining about IT...
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# [05:33] <qheaden> Well, off to bed I go folks.
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# [05:33] <qheaden> Talk to you soon.
# [05:33] <jhammel> hasta, qheaden
# [05:33] <qheaden> Laters
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# [05:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/fd6d19a5ae84 - Daniel Veditz - Bug 727401 - import libpng overflow patch from http://codereview.chromium.org/9363013 r=joe, a=akeybl
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# [05:38] <akeybl> philor|away: any ideas about the test failures in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Beta&rev=f21c6aa0f8c2? A previous push of the patch in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=b3f1087ff17d didn't run into any issues.
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# [05:55] <philor> akeybl: which, the piddly little 67369 failures and a leak? :)
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# [05:57] <philor> it's a matter of pride with a11y, fail big or don't bother failing at all
# [05:57] <jhammel> lol
# [05:57] <philor> personally, I'm a little more interested in Serge's line o' red on m-c
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# [06:00] <philor> hmm, and it seems to be a failure clearly directly related to his push
# [06:00] <akeybl> philor: I see you marked and re-ran the test - thanks
# [06:00] <akeybl> :)
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# [06:02] <philor> oh, the J1? yeah, that's nothing, four or five times and it'll be fine
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# [06:05] <jhammel> "you do bad!"?
# [06:05] <philor> so many things I'm forbidden to ever say again
# [06:05] <jhammel> lol
# [06:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a853f4017192 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 966fb7b0873f (bug 727258)
# [06:09] <philor> guess I better star it for him, too
# [06:09] <kwierso> and reopen the bug?
# [06:10] <philor> not my department
# [06:10] <kwierso> philor++
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# [06:10] <philor> that would require reading it, and seeing whether that patch was actually a necessary part of it, or, um, uh, "fiddling" shall we say
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# [06:13] <philor> first it made me delete fifty unread messages a day, now it makes me watch yet another tree
# [06:13] <philor> though, freakily enough, it's by far the greenest tree we have, and not just because it doesn't build Android
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# [06:16] <philor> hrm, and beta's second-greenest, and aurora's third-
# [06:16] <philor> this is not a pretty graph
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# [06:18] <kwierso> philor: so mozilla's trees are the opposite of real trees... as our trees mature, they become greener
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# [06:20] <philor> that's much nicer than what I suspect, which is that 10 was the trunk during ehsan's last drive to fix some orange
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# [06:21] <philor> ugh, chemspill means there's a push on mozilla-release, doesn't it?
# [06:22] <akeybl> philor: yep
# [06:23] <philor> oh so many places for Android to be wicked
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# [06:47] <philor> mmm, that'll be hard to sweep under the carpet, SQLite bustage, but at least it's aurora
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# [06:48] <jlebar|away> rclick, Do you have level 1 commit access (push to try)?
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# [06:51] <jlebar|away> rclick, ^ I posted a link in your bug.
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# [06:54] <philor> Ghu, 3.6
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# [06:55] <philor> I haven't run it "for a while" - does it have a zombie theme now, with random bits of the chrome covered with dried blood and mildew and falling off?
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# [06:57] <kwierso> philor: I haven't run it since minefield moved to 3.7...
# [06:57] <kwierso> couldn't tell you what it looks like these days
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# [06:59] <rclick> jlebar|away: I don't, but I'll look into it tomorrow.
# [06:59] <jlebar|away> rclick, Sounds good. I'm happy to vouch and all that.
# [06:59] <jlebar|away> rclick, Thanks for the help with this orange!
# [07:01] * philor perks up
# [07:01] <jlebar|away> philor, I'm not even going to *hint* that we may have another solution to that corrupt-bmp reftest orange.
# [07:01] <philor> :)
# [07:01] <jlebar|away> What rclick has will definitely not work. No chance.
# [07:02] <philor> that's the spirit
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# [07:02] <philor> all hail Murphy
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# [07:02] <kwierso> philor: and the jetpack team did not potentially fix the permaorange/permared on the jetpack tree
# [07:02] <rclick> lol
# [07:03] <kwierso> and we're totally not waiting for the machine that runs the git-to-hg mirror in brian warner's closet to wake up and actually mirror over that fix that doesn't exist to the hg repository that runs those tests
# [07:05] <philor> is that the closet where he has the "Beware of the leopard" sign?
# [07:05] <kwierso> no clue
# [07:05] <kwierso> I just assume it's in some closet
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# [07:07] <kwierso> what makes this better is that he apparently isn't working this whole week
# [07:07] <philor> gotta love having the bus number be 1
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# [07:08] <philor> especially for things like your new task, where nobody even realized someone had gone under the bus
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# [07:09] <kwierso> apparently we intentionally changed it so it wasn't just running tests against the jetpack tip
# [07:09] <kwierso> we added in the potential for human error to an otherwise automated task
# [07:10] <philor> yeah, that was a good change, though, the people who pushed for that were thinking ahead, that was smart of them
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# [07:15] <kwierso> it was exciting earlier today: found out the hg mirror has been dead or lost for the last few days
# [07:15] <kwierso> "no big deal, we still have the git repository"
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# [07:15] <kwierso> nope, github has a huge failure this afternoon, takes the repo down for half an hour or so
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# [07:24] <shng> hi
# [07:24] <shng> I am trying to compile ff for mac osx
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# [07:25] <shng> I was facing problems with gcc-4.2
# [07:25] <shng> so i came to know to that clang to be used
# [07:25] <shng> and so i downloaded clang compiled version but dont know how to use it !
# [07:25] <shng> can anybody help
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# [07:28] <jlebar|away> shng, I have "export CC=clang"
# [07:28] <jlebar|away> and "export CXX='clang++'"
# [07:28] <jlebar|away> in my mozconfig.
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# [07:29] <jlebar|away> So long as clang and clang++ are in your path, that should work.
# [07:31] <shng> yes clang are in path
# [07:31] <shng> how can show you what error i am getting
# [07:31] <jlebar|away> shng, pastebin.mozilla.org
# [07:32] <shng> thnx i show you
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# [07:35] <shng> jlebar|away , here is : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1485306
# [07:36] <shng> i also show you the mozconfig in a min
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# [07:38] <shng> jlebar|away, mozconfig file contents: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1485307
# [07:39] <philor> oh boy, I think I'm going to get to back out roc again
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# [07:43] <jlebar|away> shng, I do not see an error there.
# [07:43] <shng> this was more part of error: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1485309
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# [07:44] <jlebar|away> shng, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579689
# [07:44] <jlebar|away> shng, Looks like you need to update your tree?
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# [07:44] <jlebar|away> shng, Sorry, I should have been in bed an hour ago; I need to go. But find me again (or just ask in channel) if you can't get it working.
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# [07:45] <jlebar|away> shng, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=596645 is where I found it
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# [07:46] <shng> hmm
# [07:46] <shng> i cant update though..
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# [07:52] <mib_fk1xcd> after making changes in the source how to run the browser to see my changes
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# [07:56] <kwierso> mib_fk1xcd: https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Simple_Firefox_build#How_to_update_and_build_again
# [07:56] <kwierso> (assuming you already had it built to begin with
# [07:56] <kwierso> )
# [07:57] <mib_fk1xcd> kwierso:yes I already compiled the source only the browser but I can't see the changes
# [07:59] <kwierso> I'm probably not the right person to ask about this, but I guess deleting your objdir and starting the build from scratch with your changes applied would be one way
# [07:59] <kwierso> not the best way
# [07:59] <kwierso> but a way
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# [08:16] <philor> Bas: oops, looks like you fixed something on 10.7 :)
# [08:16] <Bas> philor: Huh? :)
# [08:17] <philor> Bas: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9378836&tree=Mozilla-Inbound - unexpected pass on one of the ones I expected-fail the other day
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# [08:17] <Bas> philor: But.. look at my code, it's windows-only :p
# [08:17] <Bas> I mean, I'd love to say I -did- fix it! :)
# [08:18] <philor> look at the code? next you'll expect me to *understand* it!
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# [08:18] <Bas> philor: It's limited to gfx/2d/DrawTargetD2D :)
# [08:19] <Bas> It's not compiled on OS X, I added a reftest! But I doubt that fixed another one ;)
# [08:19] <Bas> philor: I wonder if this one fails/passes depending on different boxes/drivers it runs on?
# [08:19] <Bas> It's webGL stuff.
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# [08:21] <smontagu> Undefined symbols:
# [08:21] <smontagu> "_JS_Assert", referenced from:
# [08:21] <smontagu> mozilla::GuardObjectNotificationReceiver::~GuardObjectNotificationReceiver()in nsProxyEvent.o
# [08:21] <philor> Bas: oh, I forgot about bug 630728, it's been unexpectedly passing on 10.6 too for a while
# [08:22] <smontagu> is there a solution for that short of rm -rf objdir?
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# [08:22] <philor> clobber, just think about how fresh and clean you'll feel afterward
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# [08:23] <smontagu> it will take more than that
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# [08:24] <Bas> philor: OKay! :)
# [08:24] <Bas> Thanks :)
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# [09:42] <NeilAway> clever: I've seen messenger spam, so yes, that bit's true, but it got turned off by default in XP
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# [09:46] <darktrojan> NeilAway, grr cached text/html
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# [10:13] <bodhibroy> Hi!
# [10:14] <bodhibroy> I am trying to intercept DOM calls made by javascript to see, if the Javascript is privileged enough to modify the DOM elements
# [10:14] <bodhibroy> any ideas, anywho?
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# [10:25] <glazou> 8 minutes 31 seconds to build FF from scratch on OS X, I really love my desktop computer...
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# [10:31] <smontagu> lol @ restoring previous session on old firefox version: "The URL is not valid and cannot be loaded" on about:newtab
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# [10:32] <glazou> WOW
# [10:32] <glazou> smontagu: clicking that URL in Colloquy on my mac made the colloqut window transparent !!!
# [10:32] <NeilAway> well, the same thing would happen if you disabled an extension that handled an about: URL in one of your tabs
# [10:32] <smontagu> weird
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# [10:33] <smontagu> glazou: what does about:about do?
# [10:33] <smontagu> or about:blank?
# [10:34] <glazou> clears the screen
# [10:34] <glazou> and makes it transparent too
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# [11:39] <darktrojan> what's the difference between a field and a property, in xbl?
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# [11:40] <NeilAway> darktrojan: planet was caching xhtml here today
# [11:41] <NeilAway> darktrojan: a field is basically an expando property with a default value, a property is a getter and optionally a setter
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# [11:46] <mak> and the field initialization happens when the binding is loaded, right?
# [11:48] <darktrojan> that sounds familiar
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# [11:58] <NeilAway> mak: it used to, but now it happens when the field is first read (assuming it isn't written to first, I guess)
# [11:58] <mak> ah, didn't know that changed
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# [12:01] <darktrojan> NeilAway, that code you just reviewed, I couldn't actually work out what |pref| was
# [12:02] <darktrojan> you're probably right though
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# [12:05] <NeilAway> darktrojan: probably this one: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/common/contentAreaClick.js#48
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# [12:06] <darktrojan> no wonder I never found it
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# [12:16] <darktrojan> Unfocused, ping?
# [12:17] <darktrojan> actually, anybody: ping?
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# [12:18] <darktrojan> is there any way to mark a xul element as irrelevant to a11y?
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# [12:29] <Unfocused> darktrojan: pong
# [12:29] <Unfocused> hm, nsIAccessibleProvider.NoAccesible?
# [12:29] <darktrojan> oh, duh
# [12:30] <darktrojan> I'm starting to think I'm the blind one
# [12:30] <Unfocused> nsAccessible.cpp might have other ways
# [12:30] <Unfocused> haha
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# [12:31] <darktrojan> I set the tooltiptext from the javascript, is that what you had in mind?
# [12:31] <darktrojan> extensions.js, I mean
# [12:31] <Unfocused> yea
# [12:31] <darktrojan> right
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# [12:31] <darktrojan> I'll make up another try build
# [12:31] <Unfocused> oh, i did it from the base binding constructor
# [12:32] <darktrojan> well extensions.js already handles the description text, so I just put it in there
# [12:32] * Unfocused nods
# [12:33] * darktrojan grumbles about the original design
# [12:33] <Unfocused> iirc, xbl:inherits only orks on anonymous nodes, not the root of the binding :\
# [12:35] <Unfocused> hm, i worry about ever re-using that outside of the addons manager, and having non-obvious dependencies like that :\
# [12:36] <darktrojan> the way we hacked on the description is not ideal
# [12:37] <Unfocused> you mean tooltiptext? or the actual displayed description?
# [12:37] <darktrojan> the displayed one
# [12:37] <darktrojan> I don't fancy fixing xul grid to make it work though
# [12:37] <Unfocused> how so? (remember, i didn't review that)
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# [12:39] <darktrojan> oh yeah
# [12:39] <darktrojan> we add another row to the grid to stop the vertical alignment being rubbish
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# [12:44] <Unfocused> huh
# [12:44] <Unfocused> ...ok
# [12:45] <darktrojan> ugly, eh?
# [12:45] <darktrojan> (and speaking of non-obvious dependencies)
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# [12:46] <Unfocused> heh
# [12:46] <Unfocused> how did the vertical alignment break without that?
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# [12:47] <darktrojan> the left column gets taller, and the controls don't line up with the label any more
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# [12:48] <darktrojan> which is ugly and boriss told me off
# [12:48] <darktrojan> iirc
# [12:48] <Unfocused> heh
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# [12:49] <darktrojan> woah
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# [12:49] <darktrojan> late night ircing?
# [12:49] <Boriss> not as good as late night icing
# [12:49] <darktrojan> ooh
# [12:50] <Unfocused> now i want cake icing...
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# [13:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6989376471f7 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [13:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ec0c67eda91e - Mark Banner - Bug 727081 - Fix for clang error 'use of undeclared identifier EnumerateEntries'. r=nfroyd
# [13:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f2267cb4330f - Jared Wein - Bug 709182 - 'Connecting...' in tab title when reloading is unnecessary visual noise. r=ttaubert r=dao
# [13:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4f8f17eacf31 - Panos Astithas - Bug 726609 - Intermittent browser_dbg_select-line.js | The correct line is selected. - Got 0, expected 5; r=msucan
# [13:03] <espindola> mak, on bug 721603, why do you think we should have an if?
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# [13:03] <espindola> I was going to add an assert
# [13:03] <espindola> but the very next line has a dereference
# [13:03] <mak> espindola: an assert doesn't protect from crashes
# [13:03] <espindola> so the assert would do the same thing
# [13:03] <espindola> well, it is a crash
# [13:03] <mak> in debug
# [13:04] <mak> the if was for opt builds
# [13:04] <espindola> yes, so the only thing an assert would do is move the crash one line earlier on debug
# [13:04] <mak> hm yes
# [13:04] <espindola> what is the valid case for os being null?
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# [13:04] <mak> oom?
# [13:04] <mak> something unexpected for sure
# [13:04] <espindola> that would just make the problem harder to find
# [13:05] <mak> well, we usually check it, so would be consistent. probably both ways is something that can hardly happen
# [13:06] <mak> assert and if?
# [13:06] <mak> so we catch in in debug, eventually don't crash in opt
# [13:06] <espindola> better than just "if" if you want a compromise
# [13:06] <mak> k
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# [13:07] <espindola> I find it a strange pattern since for it the be correct everything that is expecting the massage has to handle it never being sent...
# [13:07] <mak|afk> well that message is not extremely important
# [13:07] <mak|afk> we use it for testing purposes
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# [13:07] <espindola> :-(
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# [13:22] <NeilAway> darktrojan: in fact looking more closely those should all be replaced by Services.prefs
# [13:23] <darktrojan> yes, yes they should
# [13:23] <darktrojan> change all the things to Services.*
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# [13:24] <darktrojan> we really should get someone to go through everything and make it use services.jsm
# [13:24] <darktrojan> where's ms2ger
# [13:24] <NeilAway> darktrojan: http://images.memegenerator.net/images/300x/1121885.jpg
# [13:24] <NeilAway> (can't caption it because memegenerator forces upper case on me)
# [13:25] <darktrojan> that's the one
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# [13:39] <Ms3ger> darktrojan: how about no?
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# [13:40] <darktrojan> :o
# [13:40] <darktrojan> there is a spy in the channel
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# [13:50] <espindola> BenWa, can you take a look at 727220
# [13:50] <espindola> it is really trivial
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# [13:52] <jimm> anyone else seeing ssl certificate issues with bugzilla?
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# [13:53] <espindola> BenWa, same for 727226 if you don't mind...
# [13:53] <glob> jimm, nope, can you detail what you're seeing?
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# [13:53] <jimm> untrusted connection error -
# [13:53] <jimm> bugzilla.mozilla.org uses an invalid security certificate.
# [13:53] <jimm> The certificate is only valid for developer.mozilla.org
# [13:53] <jimm> (Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)
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# [13:53] <jimm> might be my isp - this happens sometimes
# [13:53] <jimm> or my build
# [13:54] <glob> jimm, or a MITM attack :|
# [13:54] <jimm> I do not know what that is
# [13:54] <jimm> ah
# [13:54] <jimm> man in the middle
# [13:54] <mauke> malcolm in the middle attack
# [13:55] <jimm> bugzilla is back
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# [14:24] <espindola> jrmuizel, ping 727220/727226
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# [14:24] <jrmuizel> espindola: looking
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# [14:24] <espindola> thanks!
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# [14:54] <mountainlion> will Firefox support OSX 10.8 Mountain Lion? http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/
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# [15:06] <@ted> mountainlion: i would be surprised if it didn't work, but i have no idea if there are other requirements
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# [15:06] <@ted> boy, they are really mashing up iOS and OS X, aren't they
# [15:07] <Fallen> nice stuff
# [15:07] <Fallen> I want notification center support for mozilla asap :)
# [15:07] <mountainlion> the developer preview is out
# [15:07] <@ted> probably a relatively easy swap of the growl code
# [15:08] <Fallen> Lightning will probably struggle, given the reminder and notes app
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# [15:08] <Fallen> if they do it like with the iphone, they'll support caldav sync
# [15:09] <Fallen> with their special "remind me when I get there" support
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# [15:09] <Fallen> more stuff to implement :-(
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# [15:11] <no_gravity> Strange, when I go to host.com/page#a%20b then in firefox, location.hash is "a b" and in chrom its "a%20b". does everybody who uses location.has implements a browser switch these days?
# [15:11] <decoder> are our tinderbox debug builds valgrind compatible?
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# [15:11] <@bsmedberg> Is there an extension which restores the check-for-updates/apply-update to primary UI?
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# [15:11] <@bsmedberg> e.g. a toolbar button I can customize or a menu option?
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# [15:18] <@ted> decoder: probably not
# [15:18] <mountainlion> http://i.imgur.com/HVIIO.png "The default setting for this is Mac App Store and trusted developers only. Say goodbye to non-Apple approved third party software." :(
# [15:18] <Archaeopteryx> bsmedberg: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/help-menu-update/?#developers
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# [15:18] <@ted> mountainlion: bummer
# [15:18] <@ted> mountainlion: we are working on getting our mac builds signed, FWIW
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# [15:18] <@ted> mountainlion: where'd you find that info?
# [15:18] <mountainlion> time to complain to Justice Dept and EU
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# [15:19] <mountainlion> I saw it from http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/16/os-x-mountain-lion/
# [15:19] <mountainlion> it's called "Gatekeeper" how ironic
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# [15:21] <mountainlion> http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/953633/gatekeeper555.jpg
# [15:21] <mountainlion> :(
# [15:21] <decoder> ted: okay thx :)
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# [15:25] <@ted> decoder: we have a special script that does valgrind builds+test runs: http://hg.mozilla.org/build/tools/file/8dc44f15d604/scripts/valgrind/valgrind.sh
# [15:26] <@ted> i don't think they get uploaded anywhere though
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# [15:27] <decoder> ted: okay thx :) i was just asked by a security researcher if we had any public builds working with valgrind
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# [15:43] <espindola> ehsan, ping 727221
# [15:43] <@ehsan> espindola: looking
# [15:44] <espindola> thanks
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# [15:44] <@ehsan> espindola: r=me
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# [15:45] <espindola> thanks!
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# [15:49] <espindola> ted, ping 727145
# [15:49] <@ted> you only put that in my queue yesterday
# [15:49] <@ted> :-P
# [15:50] <@ted> FYI i'm giong to be disappearing on paternity leave any day now
# [15:50] <@ted> so you'll want to start asking khuey or glandium for review
# [15:50] <espindola> ted, yes, it has been suggested that it is good practiced to at least ack in 24h
# [15:50] <@ted> okay
# [15:50] <@ted> well i haven't gotten to that point yet
# [15:50] <@ted> and it hasn't been 24h :)
# [15:50] <espindola> khuey|away, glandium any takers?
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# [15:52] <glandium> do we really want to have a separate m4 file for 3 lines of effective code ?
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# [15:52] <espindola> glandium, I think so
# [15:52] <espindola> more code can be moved there
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# [15:52] <espindola> but reducing code duplication in configure and js/src/configure is a big item for me
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# [15:53] <glandium> espindola: in practice, you're not reducing anything
# [15:53] <espindola> dougt, ping 727233
# [15:53] <espindola> glandium, it is one line in each configure
# [15:53] <espindola> instead of 3
# [15:53] <glandium> espindola: and an m4 in both
# [15:54] <espindola> if you really want I can piggyback moving more stuff into those fiiles
# [15:54] <glandium> so you still need to change it both sides, except now it's hidden
# [15:54] <espindola> glandium, the m4 are kept in sync
# [15:54] <espindola> configure is note
# [15:54] <espindola> not
# [15:54] <espindola> hidden?
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# [15:54] <glandium> the m4 are part of the sync?
# [15:55] <espindola> yes, the build fails if they are different
# [15:55] <espindola> it is (relatively speaking) awesome
# [15:55] <glandium> oh they are
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# [15:55] <glandium> then i completely buy in
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# [15:56] <espindola> awesome, thanks
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# [16:06] <espindola> dougt, 727233 is the last one blocking us being able to build with clang and the "official" mozconfigs :-)
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# [16:09] <espindola> !seen bent
# [16:09] <firebot> bent was last seen 13 hours, 30 minutes and 46 seconds ago, saying 'k' in #content.
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# [16:14] <NeilAway> espindola++ for an awsome use of the word
# [16:14] <@bz_dinner> hmm
# [16:14] <@bz_dinner> do the regression mails to tree-management no longer include graph server links?
# [16:14] <jlebar|sleep> bz_dinner, the m.zil.la link, or whatever?
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# [16:15] <espindola> NeilAway, ?
# [16:15] <jlebar|sleep> Hm, appears so.
# [16:15] <jlebar|sleep> e.g. Graph : http://mzl.la/A4wUjO
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# [16:16] <jlebar> roc, ping
# [16:16] <@bz_dinner> jlebar|sleep: ah, excellent
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# [16:19] <@ehsan> paul_: ping
# [16:20] <paul_> ehsan: hi
# [16:20] <@ehsan> paul_: hey, I submitted a pull request to fix the touch delay
# [16:20] <@ehsan> paul_: I'll submit another one for the background resizing problem
# [16:20] <@ehsan> (and other possible problems)
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# [16:22] <paul_> ehsan: I thought I fixed that
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# [16:22] <@bz_dinner> man
# [16:22] <@bz_dinner> the graph server graphs the points by talos test run start or end times or something?
# [16:22] <@bz_dinner> that's REALLY EFFING CONFUSING
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# [16:23] * @bz_dinner wonders whether there's a bug o that
# [16:23] <@bz_dinner> er, on
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# [16:24] <mak> bz: you mean that you may see an earlier changeset being plotter later? yes I also noticed that in the past
# [16:24] <mak> you have to check their order or you may misblame something
# [16:24] <NeilAway> espindola: sorry, I missed off the e, didn't I
# [16:24] <@bz> mak: yes, exactly
# [16:24] <NeilAway> espindola: I was referring to your awesome argument with glandium
# [16:24] <@bz> mak: it's incredibly messed up
# [16:24] <@ehsan> paul_: well, you were not using touch events
# [16:24] <paul_> ehsan: thx
# [16:24] <@ehsan> np
# [16:25] <mak> bz: well doesn't happen that often. I don't know if there's a bug filed, though I suspect not
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# [16:25] <paul_> ehsan: no - using user-scalable=0 avoid the 400ms delay on the XUL UI
# [16:25] <paul_> ehsan: so it was making the trick
# [16:25] <paul_> ehsan: but this will improve the mobile version
# [16:25] <paul_> thx
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# [16:26] <@bz> mak: it'd happen any time a change that needs a big rebuild precedes changes that need smaller rebuilds, no?
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# [16:26] <@ehsan> paul_: sounds like a bug in our scrolling code ;)
# [16:26] * @bz wishes someone would file for him
# [16:26] <jlebar> bz, Well, presumably if change X needs a big rebuild and change Y comes after X, Y would also need a big rebuild...
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# [16:27] <mak> bz: I suppose so
# [16:27] <@bz> jlebar: dunno
# [16:27] <jlebar> bz, but anyway, bug.
# [16:27] <@khuey> espindola: hmm?
# [16:27] <@bz> jlebar: maybe it just depends on when things get scheduled
# [16:27] <jlebar> indeed.
# [16:27] <@bz> anywa
# [16:27] * @bz would love it if someone files a bug
# [16:27] * mak would love if bz files a bug :)
# [16:27] * @bz is trying to avoid filing bugs he doesn't really care about, as part of his "try to get less bugmail" attempt. :(
# [16:27] <jlebar> bz, I will file a bug if you can point me to an example.
# [16:28] <@bz> jlebar: http://graphs-new.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[73,131,15]]&sel=1329324638653.8823,1329381956300.9412&displayrange=7&datatype=running
# [16:28] <@bz> jlebar: see that drop around 1:00 ?
# [16:28] <@bz> jlebar: those first 3 changesets after the drop actually come after the fourth one
# [16:28] <jlebar> bz, it's the second cset, ad596, not the first one?
# [16:28] <jlebar> mm
# [16:29] <@bz> jlebar: (it's none of them, actually, just noise)
# [16:29] <@bz> jlebar: (magically fixed itself a few hours later)
# [16:29] <jlebar> bz, I don't think that's noise.
# [16:29] <jlebar> bz, It's the same problem as we saw with libjpeg-turbo earlier.
# [16:29] <@bz> yes
# [16:29] <@bz> I would assume
# [16:29] <@bz> did we pin that one down?
# [16:29] <jlebar> no.
# [16:29] <espindola> khuey, yes?
# [16:29] <@bz> because to me this sure looks like something in the infra, not in our code
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# [16:30] <@khuey> espindola: <espindola> khuey|away, glandium any takers?
# [16:30] <jlebar> bz, Well, it resolved itself right when we backed out libjpeg-turbo. So maybe it's a code size thing or something.
# [16:30] <jlebar> Or code alignment...
# [16:30] <@bz> ah
# [16:30] <espindola> khuey, ah, glandium took it :-)
# [16:30] <@bz> hmm
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# [16:30] <@bz> this patch did NOT get backed out
# [16:30] <espindola> it was a build system bug
# [16:30] <@bz> and the issue resolved itself
# [16:31] <jlebar> bz, I'll re-land libjpeg-turbo and see what happens. That'll tell us...something. :)
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# [16:32] <@khuey> espindola: excellent
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# [16:42] <@bsmedberg> damn IIS
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# [16:46] <no_gravity> Is it possible to force firefox to use http1.0?
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# [16:47] <jlebar> no_gravity, You could probably modify the code so it sends "HTTP/1.0", but that's not the same thing...
# [16:48] <@bz> uh
# [16:48] <@bz> did twitter just rejigger their UI again?
# [16:48] <@bz> apparently
# [16:48] <Fallen> the red background thing?
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# [16:50] <@khuey> yeah, it changed yesterday
# [16:50] <no_gravity> jlebar: you mean i would have to recompile it? im just a user. i wanted to see how http/1.0 browsers interact with my website.
# [16:51] <jlebar> no_gravity, Even if you changed Firefox to *claim* it's http 1.0, that's not the same as making it follow the old version.
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# [16:51] <no_gravity> jlebar: yeah. i wonder what i can do to test my website with http/1.0. We have 2% http/1.0 users, so its important for me.
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# [16:52] <jlebar> no_gravity, Well, what browser are those users using?
# [16:52] <no_gravity> jlebar: all kinds of browsers. i think its because they sit behind of http/1.0 proxies.
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# [16:52] <Fallen> for those of you who were surfing the mountain lion site and being annoyed that the messages beta couldn't be downloaded due to an error on their side, its available now!
# [16:52] <jlebar> no_gravity, mm, that is unfortunate. :-/
# [16:53] <Fallen> no_gravity: get a http/1.0 proxy?
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# [16:53] <jlebar> Fallen, Funny how there have been so many Mac OS versions for the same animal.
# [16:54] * jlebar suspects we'll get "cougar" next.
# [16:54] <no_gravity> Fallen: if i knew how...
# [16:54] <froydnj> waiting for "tabby cat"
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# [16:55] <Fallen> no_gravity: http://wiki.nginx.org/HttpProxyModule
# [16:55] <Fallen> says google
# [16:55] <sheppy> That Mountain Lion news was just sort of slipped out implies they wanted to get it out of the way before something big on the iOS front, I expect.
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# [16:57] <no_gravity> Fallen: hmm... if google said "apt-get install httpproxy; httpproxy <port>;" i would understand. but that link i dont understand.
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# [16:59] <Fallen> no_gravity: apt-get install nginx or follow the instructions on http://wiki.nginx.org/Install
# [17:00] <Fallen> then enable the proxy module
# [17:00] <Fallen> I haven't used it myself so I cant give you all the details, but it should be as simple as that
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# [17:01] <no_gravity> Fallen: so you would say: 1) get a cheap virtual machine somewhere 2) install ngix on it 3) set up the proxy module 4) set the ip of the vm in FF as proxy address 5) access my website ?
# [17:02] <jlebar> no_gravity, You may be able to run the proxy locally....
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# [17:02] <Fallen> no_gravity: what jlebar said
# [17:02] <no_gravity> jlebar: i would not want to mess up my working machine with another webserver. already have apache running here
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# [17:03] <no_gravity> i can fire up another vm within minutes, so thats not the hard part.
# [17:03] <jlebar> no_gravity, It sounds like you should figure this out in freenode's channel for your distro. We've really left the realm of "Firefox developers".
# [17:03] <no_gravity> jlebar: ok
# [17:03] <no_gravity> since when does FF support http/1.1? maybe i can use an older version?
# [17:04] <@ted> uh
# [17:04] <@ted> http/1.1 is ancient
# [17:04] <jlebar> no_gravity, No idea, but even if you went back to an old version, it's not going to be the same as accessing through a proxy...
# [17:05] <no_gravity> jlebar: yes, but if i would see the same error my behind-a-http/1.0-proxy users see, it would be a start.
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# [17:07] <@bz> What exactly does it mean in this context to "follow http/1.0"?
# [17:07] <@bz> Oh, and HTTP 1.1 dates back to 1999
# [17:07] <no_gravity> bz: i read it was adpoted by browsers in 1996
# [17:07] <@bz> so finding a _Firefox_ version without 1.1 support is completely impossible
# [17:07] <@bz> no_gravity: could be; the spec was finalized in 1999
# [17:08] <no_gravity> yeah. so i have to set up some http/1.0 proxy
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# [17:08] <@bz> you're just trying to debug what an HTTP/1.0 client would see?
# [17:08] <@bz> when hitting your site?
# [17:08] <no_gravity> that would be a start
# [17:08] <no_gravity> if i see the same problems people behind http/1.0 proxies see, maybe thats enought to debug it.
# [17:09] <@bz> ah, ok
# [17:09] <@bz> I see
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# [17:12] <NeilAway> no_gravity: we used to have prefs for that, I don't know what they do or whether they still work
# [17:13] <armenzg_buildduty> thanks joe!
# [17:14] <NeilAway> no_gravity: see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/modules/libpref/src/init/all.js#712
# [17:14] <no_gravity> NeilAway: thank you. will be away for 20 minutes, then i will read into it.
# [17:14] <NeilAway> no_gravity: hmm, looks like the backend for that pref got removed
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# [17:16] <@bz> so why does the button-content frame not have NS_BLOCK_MARGIN_ROOT?
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# [17:22] <NeilAway> no_gravity: ah, I found the backend, it concatenates strings to create the pref name ;-)
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# [17:42] <AryehGregor> bz, actually, I plan to go somewhat AWOL for a while starting sometime later this year, somewhere between mid-March and mid-August. I expect to study full-time for a couple of years, exact duration TBD. I probably won't vanish entirely, but I'm certainly not expecting to have much time for work.
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# [18:02] <@bsmedberg> Blech, Firefox will happily restart itself in the middle of a download without warning me :-(
# [18:03] <mak> WARNING: I'm about to kill your download [OK]
# [18:03] <@khuey> ideally we'd resume them
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# [18:03] <mak> if it can be resumed
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# [18:03] <@khuey> right
# [18:04] <@bsmedberg> well, when it restarted it popped up some error like "Couldn't read file XXX.exe.part"
# [18:04] <@bsmedberg> so it apparently tried
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# [18:05] <mak> at first glance smells like AV interaction... I may be wrong though
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# [18:06] <mak> one interesting thing I noticed in Safari is that you can open a .download and have it resume... I don't think our .part do that
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# [18:07] <sheppy> mak: I don't know if ours do that or not, but I do like that about Safari.
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# [18:07] <mak> me too, even if it's pretty much an edge case
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# [18:11] <mak> though, I'd like having metadata in the part file rather than in a db
# [18:11] <JonathanS> OS X Mountain Lion Limits Apps to Mac App Store, Signed Apps by Default :/
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# [18:14] <NeilAway> whoa, blast from the past, hwaara just commented on a bug, I didn't realise he was still around
# [18:14] <taras> my nightly is saying i shouldn't trust google
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# [18:15] <cers> does anyone have a windows machine at hand? Someone reported that Firefox had inconsistent rendering with hardware accelleration on and off, but I can't reproduce that on my macbook (at least in nightly)
# [18:15] <@khuey> taras: it is wise
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# [18:15] <cers> this test supposedly shows it: http://jsfiddle.net/onenerd/NbAmR/
# [18:15] <taras> khuey: is there a bug on this/
# [18:15] <@khuey> I have no idea, I was just making a joke
# [18:15] <taras> cos i also shouldn't trust bugzilla
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# [18:15] <taras> :(
# [18:16] <glob> taras, no one trusts the bugzilla
# [18:16] <JonathanS> glob, no wonder, duplicate
# [18:16] <gcp> cers: confirmed!
# [18:16] <gcp> cers: is there a bug?
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# [18:16] <@bz> anyone know how foreignObject interacts with fixed-pos stuff?
# [18:16] <cers> gcp: not that I know of
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# [18:17] <mak> cers: you mean the line 2 out of the box?
# [18:17] <gcp> might be font spacing?
# [18:17] <cers> gcp: he reported it through twitter/email
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# [18:17] <cers> mak: I don't see any difference on my macbook, so I assume it's OS dependent
# [18:17] <gcp> mak: yes
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# [18:17] <mak> so yeah, I can repro on win7 with hwa
# [18:18] <gcp> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32496746/hwnohw1.png
# [18:18] <gcp> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32496746/hwnohw2.png
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# [18:18] <cers> gcp: from looking at the code, my guess would be font-related at least yeah
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# [18:20] <cers> gcp: the line-height looks quite different for those two
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# [18:21] <cers> gcp: I don't suppose the computed line-height differs?
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# [18:21] <jimm> cers: I see a difference locally
# [18:21] <gcp> Yeah. This looks quite extreme though.
# [18:21] <jimm> gdi text is darker
# [18:21] <gcp> that can be due to the renderer
# [18:21] <gcp> but the line-height differing *that* much?
# [18:21] <mak> that's just the AA
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# [18:22] <cers> gcp: could you inspect just to make sure that the computed line-height is actually the same?
# [18:22] <gcp> note how the UI also has a different button size :P
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# [18:23] <gcp> how do I do that?
# [18:23] <gcp> oh I see
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# [18:23] <@bsmedberg> ted: do you know if minidumps know the stack size for threads?
# [18:24] <gcp> 26px for HW accel on
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# [18:24] <gcp> 20px for hw accel off
# [18:25] <cers> gcp: well that's clearly odd
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# [18:25] <mak> I think using directwrite may change that, btw you should ask Bas or jfkthame_afk
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# [18:26] <jlebar> Does CallQueryInterface addref? /me thought it did...
# [18:26] <@bz> yes
# [18:26] <@bz> it does
# [18:26] <jlebar> bz, thanks.
# [18:26] <@bz> for refcounted things...
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# [18:26] <@bz> more precisely, it just calls QueryInterface
# [18:26] <@bz> so it does whatever that does
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# [18:28] <cers> gcp: does the bug still occur when line-height is specified? http://jsfiddle.net/QcWWk/
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# [18:29] <mak> no
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# [18:29] <gcp> what mak says
# [18:29] <cers> mak: I see.. I'll open a bug with this information
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# [18:30] <cers> gcp: when you inspected line-height, on which element did you do it?
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# [18:30] <gcp> div.line1
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# [18:30] <NeilAway> so, where are the new mentoring annotations documented?
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# [18:33] <jlebar> NeilAway, Right here. :)
# [18:33] <cers> gcp, mak: Must be this bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643781
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# [18:35] <NeilAway> jlebar: explain please?
# [18:35] <jlebar> NeilAway, You put [mentor=me] in a whiteboard, and it means this is a good first bug, and me can help.
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# [18:38] <NeilAway> jlebar: ok, but I thought there was a range of annotations
# [18:38] <jlebar> NeilAway, If so, I'm not awar.e
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# [18:40] <@ted> bsmedberg: i don't think it precisely knows
# [18:40] <@bsmedberg> yeah, that seems likely
# [18:40] <@ted> the thread data contains the CPU context and a blob of stack memory
# [18:40] <@ted> i think we try to stick the entire stack contents in there
# [18:40] <NeilAway> jlebar: ah, I found a newsgroup post that suggested lang=(js|c++|html|css|py),
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# [18:41] <@ted> bsmedberg: http://code.google.com/p/google-breakpad/source/browse/trunk/src/google_breakpad/common/minidump_format.h#347 FYI
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# [18:42] <mrbkap> bz: do we have a bug for the new dom bindings?
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# [18:44] <@bz> mrbkap: yes
# [18:44] <@bz> mrbkap: overall tracker
# [18:44] <@bz> mrbkap: not for the "make xhr work" limited goal
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# [18:46] <mrbkap> bz: do you have it handy?
# [18:46] <@bz> 622298
# [18:47] <@bz> or 580070
# [18:47] <@bz> take your pick
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# [18:47] <@bz> I think I was using 580070 as the tracker for the actual new-binding work
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# [18:49] <@bz> mrbkap: hmm
# [18:49] <@bz> mrbkap: jst sent some mail about a dom bindings meeting next week, right?
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# [18:49] <@bz> mrbkap: I can't find it....
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# [18:57] <@khuey> bz: yeah, 11:30 PST this tuesday, and then 10:30 PST on mondays
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# [18:59] <bent> bz, got a sec?
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# [19:01] <@bz> bent: yes
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# [19:01] <bent> bz, in #content maybe
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# [19:02] <@bz> bent: ok
# [19:02] <@bz> khuey: that's what I seem to recall... I'm just not seeing this mail
# [19:02] * @bz always gets really worried when mail he knew was in his inbox is suddenly no more
# [19:02] <@bz> makes me wonder what else went awol
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# [19:05] <@stuart> hmm
# [19:05] <@khuey> bz: "Weekly DOM bindings meetings..."
# [19:05] <@stuart> loading xul files through -chrome doesn't work anymore?
# [19:05] <@ted> bsmedberg: ah, this was in re: bug 725945 ?
# [19:05] <@khuey> bz: 11:20 AM PST yesterday
# [19:06] <@stuart> "remote xul" ?
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# [19:06] <@ted> stuart: not via HTTP
# [19:06] <@stuart> ted: this is local file
# [19:06] <@ted> hm
# [19:06] <@stuart> firefox -chrome ./a.xul
# [19:06] <@ted> not sure, maybe we only allow it via chrome://
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# [19:07] <@stuart> but chrome:// means needing manifests etc
# [19:07] <@stuart> :/
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# [19:07] <@ted> yup
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# [19:07] <@stuart> that is.. unfortunate
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# [19:07] <@stuart> (and doesn't make much sense.)
# [19:07] <@ted> ask sicking
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# [19:09] <@stuart> will do
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# [19:11] <@smaug> gavin: ping
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# [19:12] <@smaug> or who might know what happens when a tab is closed. Do we keep it alive still some time?
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# [19:12] <@khuey> what exactly is 'it'?
# [19:12] <@smaug> khuey: well, hmm, not quite sure
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# [19:13] <@smaug> khuey: some objects which might point to input elements
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# [19:14] <Callek> khuey: would you rs+ a correction to what serge pushed yesterday (that broke android) for me, and I'll push later? (Bug 727258)
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# [19:14] <Callek> khuey: I marked that correct in my latest comment there
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# [19:14] <Callek> s/correct/correction/
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# [19:14] <@khuey> smaug: breakpoint on Release for the <input> and shutdown the browser?
# [19:14] <Callek> khuey: if you don't feel comfortable with rs+ I'll accept "rs+ provided it passes try android"
# [19:15] <@khuey> that should show you where it's coming from
# [19:15] <@khuey> Callek: honestly, I already rs+d two patches for this bug
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# [19:15] <@smaug> khuey: well, this is something temporary
# [19:15] <@khuey> and the first didn't fix Seamonkey, and the second broke Android
# [19:15] <Callek> oo didn't realize you rs+'ed it
# [19:15] <@khuey> Callek: so I'd prefer some try runs
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# [19:15] <@smaug> khuey: input element was kept alive something like a minute
# [19:15] <@khuey> Callek: well for a one line patch there's not much of a difference ...
# [19:15] <Callek> the first fixed seamonkey (partly, I just missed the fact that m-c sets these outside this makefile first)
# [19:16] <@khuey> Callek: please run it through try, and if you've got a patch that passes try and fixes Seamonkey, r=me
# [19:16] <@khuey> smaug: ok, so breakpoint on Release and then let the browser run?
# [19:16] <@khuey> smaug: unless the incoming edge is from JS, of course
# [19:16] <Callek> khuey: and I can't test the fix for SeaMonkey outside of it landing in m-c, really :/
# [19:16] <@khuey> Callek: :-P
# [19:16] <Callek> but I verified this sets teh application.ini correct locally (now)
# [19:16] <mdas> Mossop: ping
# [19:16] <@khuey> lets try this slightly differently
# [19:17] <@khuey> don't break m-c
# [19:17] <Callek> and I will happily verify with try that it doesn't break android
# [19:17] <Mossop> mdas: pong
# [19:17] <Callek> khuey: heh, fair.
# [19:17] <@khuey> beyond that, if you need to change how that variable is set, have fun
# [19:17] <Callek> khuey: r=you it is (with the caveat that "I must not break")
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# [19:17] <@khuey> Callek: sure
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# [19:17] <@khuey> though that's a pretty standard caveat :-P
# [19:17] <Callek> khuey: of course, I didn't expect a second patch to land without being tested
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# [19:18] <@khuey> yeah ...
# [19:18] <@khuey> me neither ...
# [19:18] <@khuey> especially since it was posted with a big untested label
# [19:18] <mdas> Mossop: Just wanted to catch up! Did you get a chance is evaluate whether or not Marionette needs a superreview?
# [19:18] <@bsmedberg> ted: yeah
# [19:18] <Callek> and I clearly said "I'm too tired to think heavily on this" at the time too, so it certainly SHOULD have been tested before landing
# [19:19] <Mossop> mdas: Sorry no, just after we spoke I went into an afternoon long meeting. Could you send me an email about this with the links in it again, that way it'll sit in my inbox annoying me till I actually respond :)
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# [19:24] <mdas> Mossop: sure! Thanks for the update :)
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# [19:36] <espindola> rail, hold 727436 a bit. The 32 bit 10.5 debug build found a problem :-(
# [19:36] <espindola> man we are having back luck with this one
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# [19:36] <rail> espindola: ok
# [19:36] <rail> :)
# [19:36] <espindola> sorry for the false alarm
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# [19:36] <rail> no worries
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# [19:52] <jwir3> if I have a text node that overflows my nsIFrame so that the text actually appears outside of the bounds of the frame, is it possible to get the coordinates of the actual rectangle that is drawn to the screen?
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# [19:54] <@bz> which actual rectangle?
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# [19:55] <@bz> Say you have a block with width 100px
# [19:55] <@bz> and your text is like this:
# [19:55] <@bz> XXXXX
# [19:55] <@bz> XXXXXXXXXXXX
# [19:55] <@bz> XXXXX
# [19:55] <@bz> (each X 20 pixels wide)
# [19:55] <@bz> what numbers do you want out?
# [19:55] <jwir3> bz: the maximum width of any of those text lines
# [19:55] <jwir3> (in your example, the second line)
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# [19:56] <@bz> Get the overflow rect of the block?
# [19:57] <@bz> this would also include stuff like positioned kids sticking out of the block, etc
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# [19:57] <jwir3> bz: ok. thanks!
# [19:57] <@bz> Depending on what you really want you may want the visual overflow or the scrollable overflow
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# [19:57] <@bz> (they're not quite the same thing)
# [19:58] <jwir3> bz: What is the difference between the two?
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# [19:59] <@bz> jwir3: one is the area we paint, the other is the area we allow scrolling to
# [20:00] <@bz> jwir3: for example, consider a 100px wide block with text going up to its right edge
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# [20:00] <@bz> jwir3: and the text bleeds out by a px or so because it gets antialiased
# [20:00] <@bz> jwir3: that would be visual overflow, but not scrollable
# [20:00] <@bz> jwir3: because creating scrollbars due to antialiasing artifacts is kinda bad
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# [20:01] <jwir3> bz: ah, ok. got it.
# [20:01] <@ted> huh
# [20:01] <@ted> apple provides the command-line bits of their devkit as a separate download now
# [20:01] <@ted> without xcode
# [20:01] <@ted> SDKs+compilers
# [20:01] <@bz> nice
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# [20:02] <Callek> anyone know whom "sork" is and if there is an associated irc nick?
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# [20:05] <rillian> Callek: any relation to https://github.com/sork ?
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# [20:05] <gavin> smaug: pong
# [20:05] <Callek> rillian: yep thats teh one I'm curious about
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# [20:07] <@bz> you know....
# [20:07] <@bz> I think that hg is slow
# [20:07] <@bz> then I try running svn up....
# [20:07] <jhammel> heh
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# [20:07] <mak> hm, suspect increase of crashes in XUL!js::RegExpShared::execute on inbound in test_crypto_random.js :(
# [20:08] <@bz> hg pull -u after a few months on one of our trees is paradise compared to an svn up on webkit
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# [20:08] <@bz> or even an svn up on the CSS test suites
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# [20:09] <@bz> speaking of which
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# [20:09] <@bz> anyone know which repo css test suites live in nowadays?
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# [20:09] <mak> philor: any idea on those crashes in xpcshell?
# [20:09] <rillian> Callek: I have no more leads, sorry
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# [20:09] <@bz> aha
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# [20:09] <@bz> they got moved to hg
# [20:10] <@bz> here we go
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# [20:26] <josh> Sometimes Firefox on Android looks like it's caught in an infinite loop adjusting the fonts. They wiggle on the screen, becoming clear then fuzzy then clear then fuzzy… Anyone know of a bug on this?
# [20:26] <qDot> I've seen that too
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# [20:29] <vlad> didn't we have that bug on the desktop at one point?
# [20:29] <vlad> something to do with rounding issues in layout I think?
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# [20:30] <@roc> jlebar|lunch: yo
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# [20:31] <jlebar> roc, I was pinging about a regression which appeared in one of your pushes, then disappeared sometime later.
# [20:31] <jlebar> roc, To let you know that we've seen it before, and I think it's benign. Or at least, not related to your code.
# [20:31] <@roc> ok
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# [20:32] <jlebar> roc, https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/mozilla.dev.tree-management/ubOFFr2V5-s
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# [20:36] <jwir3> bz: This seems wrong to me. With font-inflation enabled on emPerLine: 8, If I turn on layout debugging to the site marketwatch.com, the frame is actually smaller than the text "Crack the job-market code": http://imgur.com/gKVLb
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# [20:37] <jwir3> bz: Shouldn't the frame bound the text line?
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# [20:40] <jesup|laptop> In the stitching audio example, there's a missing out = document.getElementById("out"); makes pause work
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# [20:40] <jesup|laptop> wrong channel...
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# [20:42] <taras> bsmith: ping
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# [20:42] <bsmith> taras: pong
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# [20:42] <bsmith> Is that problem happening for every site, intermittently, or all the time?
# [20:42] <mjschranz> smaug: Would it be correct in assuming that the value passed in to Node.cloneNode affects what is returned in Node.hasChildNodes? So cloneNode(true) should return true there?
# [20:42] <taras> bsmith: all the time
# [20:43] <taras> bsmith: i'm wondering if some file got corrupted
# [20:43] <taras> or maybe it's the sync exception on startup preventing something from initializing
# [20:43] <bsmith> taras: platform? buildid?
# [20:43] <taras> windows
# [20:43] <@smaug> mjschranz: ?
# [20:44] <@smaug> mjschranz: cloneNode doesn't return bool value
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# [20:44] <taras> bsmith: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:13.0a1) Gecko/20120215 Firefox/13.0a1
# [20:44] <taras> bsmith: i can send you the profile
# [20:44] <bsmith> thanks
# [20:44] <@smaug> mjschranz: though, I don't quite understand the question
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# [20:44] <taras> i suspect i can nuke the private bits
# [20:44] <armenzg_buildduty> jwatt: ping
# [20:44] <mjschranz> smaug: I worded that incorrectly. Basically I'm writing the tests for 698381
# [20:45] <bsmith> taras: it happens even when you restart firefox?
# [20:45] <taras> yes
# [20:45] <bsmith> You can never get ANY SSL site to load, huh?
# [20:45] <taras> yeah, really bad stuff
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# [20:45] <bsmith> OK, please send me the profile. I don't care about your private bits.
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# [20:45] <mjschranz> smaug: When I read over the DOM4 spec, it says "with the clone children flag set if deep is true"
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# [20:46] <@smaug> mjschranz: if clone is true, hasChildNodes should have the same value in the original and in the clone node
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# [20:46] <bsmith> taras: you can try clearing your cache and you can try moving your key3.db and cert8.db files out of the way and letting Firefox re-create them
# [20:46] <bsmith> (after backing up the profile)
# [20:47] <bsmith> taras: actually, does it happen with a new, clean, profile
# [20:47] <mjschranz> smaug: But I am correct in that the aDeep argument to cloneNode does affect that?
# [20:47] <@smaug> mjschranz: well, cloning should works just fine already
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# [20:48] <@smaug> the bug is just about making aDeep optional
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# [20:48] <@smaug> if aDeep is true, all the child nodes get cloned too
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# [20:48] <mjschranz> Right
# [20:48] <taras> bsmith: this is fucked up, happens on new profile too
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# [20:49] <mjschranz> smaug: I was just trying to confirm if I was right in that was the way to go about testing it. Which it seems I was, meaning my testing conditions are incorrect.
# [20:49] <taras> wonder if some file got corrupted byupdater
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# [20:53] <taras> bsmith: reduced it down to updater screwing something up (i think)
# [20:54] <bsmith> taras: Regardless, please send a log with NSPR_LOG_MODULES=pipnss:5,nsSocketTransport:5
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# [20:55] <NeilAway> smaug: SeaMonkey keeps its tabs alive, afaik Firefox doesn't
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# [21:01] <taras> bsmith: remind me how to do this right, i did http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1485636
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# [21:04] <taras> bsmith: attached to teh bug
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# [21:05] <bsmith> Thanks: NSPR_LOG_FILE=log.txt is useful too
# [21:06] <taras> yeah that's the bit i was missing
# [21:06] <taras> the log doesn't seem overly useful
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# [21:10] <bsmith> Is it really true that we don't build releases with PR_LOGGING defined?
# [21:11] <bsmith> because there should be a bunch of PSM log messages in Taras's log but there are none, and none on my release build either
# [21:11] <@bsmedberg> bsmith: except for directories that have FORCE_PR_LOG set in their makefile, yes
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# [21:12] <bsmith> taras: OK, logging isn't going to help us. I will investigate some more. But, it seems you verified that if you do a clean install, things work correctly, right? That is why you think it is an updater problem, right?
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# [21:13] <taras> bsmith: yes
# [21:13] <taras> if i get the exact same build from the source...it works ok
# [21:14] <@bsmedberg> a packaged build?
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# [21:15] <taras> bsmedberg: yes
# [21:16] <bsmith> taras: are you runing the version of the updater service that deletes the prefetch files?
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# [21:16] <taras> bsmith: no updater service, win64
# [21:16] <taras> running an unzipped build
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# [21:18] <philor> mak: no idea, unless we can blame igor
# [21:18] <bsmith> I have tried with a zipped nightly build from ftp.mozilla.org for the 2012-02-15 and it is working fine.
# [21:18] <philor> two regex crashes and one wrong thread assertion, that's sort of odd
# [21:19] <bsmith> taras: PSM goes to some lengths to keep on starting up even in the face of failure to initialize NSS, which could happen if the NSS DLLs are corrupt or missing
# [21:19] <bsmith> So, the behavior you are seeing would be consistent with corrupt or missing NSS DLLs
# [21:19] <taras> bsmith: it's pretty scary if we can end up in an inconsistent state
# [21:19] <bsmith> it would be useful to do a binary diff of the DLLs in each directory and determine which one(s) are corrupt or missing
# [21:19] <taras> so would be good to verify
# [21:20] <taras> bsmith: can you drop in dlls from my build
# [21:20] <taras> so see if they work?
# [21:20] <bsmith> Sure.
# [21:21] <@smaug> jduell: ping
# [21:21] <jduell> smaug: hey
# [21:22] <taras> weird, my nss dlls are fairly different from packaged ones in size
# [21:22] <bsmith> taras: what do you mean "it's off the profiling branch"
# [21:22] <bsmith> (in the bug)
# [21:23] <taras> bsmith: see first post in https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/M4l5jl75dEs
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# [21:24] <bsmith> taras: I know what the profiling branch is. Do you mean that this build, that you are having the problem with, is a nightly build from the profiling branch, and not m-c?
# [21:24] <taras> yes
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# [21:26] <philor> khuey: is https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9389239&tree=Mozilla-Inbound the same crash as bug 718260?
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# [21:27] <@khuey> philor: yep
# [21:27] <@smaug> jduell: when does necko release objects
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# [21:28] <NeilAway> who knows what the difference between NS_EscapeURL and NS_EscapeString is?
# [21:28] <@smaug> I mean those callback objects
# [21:28] <jduell> smaug: callbacks for channels?
# [21:28] <@smaug> yeah
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# [21:29] <jduell> smaug: we release them in OnStopRequest, along with releasing the listener, too
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# [21:29] <@smaug> jduell: when I'm on a bad network connection, it looks like something gets released or processed really slowly, and the optimization I added doesn't help always
# [21:29] <jwatt> armenzg_buildduty: pong
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# [21:29] <jduell> smaug: the channels themselves are refcounted, and often live much longer -- documents keep them around IIRC
# [21:30] <armenzg_buildduty> jwatt: I believe there is a snow or lion slave booked for you
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# [21:30] <armenzg_buildduty> we are going to need to reboot it in the next 2-3 hours
# [21:30] <@khuey> philor: I'll put that crash on the list of things to get in the replay vm
# [21:30] <@smaug> jduell: XHR isn't a document :)
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# [21:30] <jduell> smaug: do you know if OnStop has been called?
# [21:30] <@smaug> and XHR does release channel at some point
# [21:30] <armenzg_buildduty> jwatt: is that correct?
# [21:30] <armenzg_buildduty> that you have one loaned to you?
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# [21:31] <jwatt> armenzg_buildduty: there was a bug about it being returned
# [21:31] <jduell> smaug: so release happens ok on fast network, but not on slow?
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# [21:31] <jwatt> armenzg_buildduty: I no longer need it
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# [21:31] <armenzg_buildduty> jwatt: OK thanks
# [21:31] <@smaug> jduell: I don't. I haven't debugged this yet
# [21:31] <@smaug> jduell: and happens only occasionally
# [21:31] <@khuey> smaug: the callbacks get released when the http transaction is closed
# [21:31] <@khuey> at least in theory
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# [21:31] <armenzg_buildduty> jwatt: not needed
# [21:32] <jduell> They do--just look in nsHttpChannel::OnStopRequest (end of function)
# [21:32] <@smaug> jduell: it happens with tbpl. There are tons XHRs which aren't optimized out from CC
# [21:32] <@smaug> reloading tbpl tab releases everything
# [21:32] <jduell> smaug: it's possible that XHR is holding onto something?
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# [21:32] <@khuey> or somebody reintroduced bug 671053
# [21:32] <jwatt> armenzg_buildduty: bug 721404
# [21:33] <jwatt> armenzg_buildduty: so it's just not been returned yet
# [21:33] <armenzg_buildduty> jwatt: thanks
# [21:33] <jduell> smaug: hmm, I wonder if it could be HttpBaseChannel::mOwner getting set?
# [21:34] <jduell> we don't ever seem to let go of that until destructor for channel
# [21:35] <joe> back
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# [21:35] <@smaug> jduell: what is the owner of a channel?
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# [21:35] <@smaug> when does it get set
# [21:35] <jduell> smaug: I also see nsHttpChannel removing itself from mLoadGroup, but not releasing the reference (until destructor)
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# [21:36] <jduell> smaug: honestly I forget who sets mOwner and to what. Ask bz or biesi
# [21:36] <jduell> smaug: for websockets it's the inner window, but not sure about http channels
# [21:36] <@smaug> ok
# [21:37] <@smaug> jduell: er, which mOwner are you talking about...
# [21:37] <jduell> smaug: HttpBaseChannel::mOwner
# [21:37] <@smaug> does websocketchannel have mOwner ?
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# [21:38] <jduell> smaug: oh, sorry, I was thinking abotu nsWebSocket
# [21:38] <@smaug> nsWebSocket sure has mOwner, since it inherits nsDOMEventTargetHelper
# [21:38] <@smaug> mOwner is cycle collected
# [21:38] <jduell> WebsocketChannel doesn't have an mOwner
# [21:39] <jduell> smaug: so yeah, I'd look at mOwner, and try releasing mLoadGroup in OnStopRequest
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# [21:41] <MikeK> Anyone knows the magic command to get the "TEST-PASS" / "TEST-FAIL" out on the console when you are running a xul test by "python runtest.py --chrome --test-path=..." I can see the general pass/fail in the browser window, but I want to know exactly which part of the test is passing and which is failing???
# [21:41] <@smaug> ok, thanks
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# [21:42] <mbrubeck> MikeK: Try "TEST_PATH=... make mochitest-chrome" in your objdir
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# [21:43] <MikeK> mbrubeck: Thanks, will that give me more consistent output on the console?
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# [21:43] <dholbert> MikeK, that's what the test runners run, effectively
# [21:44] <mbrubeck> MikeK: Yes, that should output results to the console.
# [21:44] <MikeK> mbrubeck: Will give it a try, thanks
# [21:44] <mbrubeck> khuey taught me that in https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.planning/K1fr4VqtQTA/7oiQk8IdXj8J
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# [21:50] <espindola> gps, I would love to be emailed on clang build failures!
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# [21:53] <MikeK> mbrubeck: Yes, that seems to give me consistent results - btw - nice link :)
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# [21:58] <biesi> smaug, jduell: do you still have a question for me?
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# [21:59] <NeilAway> MikeK: can't you just click the specific chrome test in the list and run it?
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# [21:59] <@smaug> biesi: who sets http channel's owner
# [21:59] <biesi> smaug, docshell, no?
# [22:00] <biesi> (sometimes)
# [22:00] <@smaug> biesi: I'm thinking about XHR
# [22:00] <@smaug> XHR doesn't set it, at least not explicitly
# [22:00] <biesi> smaug, ...?
# [22:00] <biesi> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/nsXMLHttpRequest.cpp#1975
# [22:00] <@smaug> perhaps owner is null ?
# [22:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/78fde7e54d92 - Olli Pettay - Bug 725804 - Don't add active network requests (XHR, WebSocket, EventSource) to CC graph, r=mccr8,jduell,jst
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# [22:00] <@smaug> ah
# [22:01] <@smaug> how did I miss that
# [22:01] <josh> espindola: Are you planning to test building with Xcode 4.3 any time soon? I'm hoping for someone else to tell me if it works well before I update on any of my machines.
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# [22:01] <@smaug> ok, it is principal
# [22:01] <biesi> that is a question I cannot answer :-)
# [22:01] <@smaug> nothing interesting
# [22:01] <biesi> but yes generally the owner is a principal
# [22:01] <biesi> or null
# [22:01] <espindola> josh, probably not. I am trying to get us building with clang
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# [22:01] <espindola> so I will switch as little as possible on my machine for now
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# [22:02] <josh> happy to hear you're working on that, I've been building locally with clang for weeks now with no issues
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# [22:03] <MikeK> NeilAway: yes, I could probably do that.... but more easy to have a command line thingy I can fire, it's a random failure, so need to run it many times
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# [22:03] <jlebar> mccr8, It's been so long since I've hunted zombies. Do I just need to produce a cc log?
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# [22:04] <@khuey> do you have a debug build?
# [22:04] <jlebar> khuey, The zombies are in my release build.
# [22:04] <@khuey> :-/
# [22:04] <jlebar> khuey, maybe it's abp. Dunno.
# [22:04] <@khuey> in a debug build you can get the js heap too
# [22:04] <@khuey> which is nice
# [22:04] <jlebar> But we decided we care about abp leaks, right? :-p
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# [22:06] <@bz> "The zombies are in my release build."
# [22:06] <@bz> nice
# [22:07] <@bz> "Captain, there are zombies in the release build!"
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# [22:07] <froydnj> "chainsaws to the ready!"
# [22:07] <jlebar> lol
# [22:07] <jlebar> "set chainsaws to stun"?
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# [22:08] <Mnyromyr> lol
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# [22:12] <NeilAway> MikeK: fair enough
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# [22:13] <bsmith> taras: Are you sure you weren't able to reproduce this on a zip download of the *win64* *profiling* 2012-02-15 nightly?
# [22:14] <bsmith> Because, unless I am being dumb, I seem to be able to reproduce it only in that config, but even from a zip from ftp.mozilla.org
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# [22:15] <@ted> it would not shock me to find that something was broken in the win64 build
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# [22:15] <froydnj> probably more zombies
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# [22:18] <taras> bsmith: lemme check
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# [22:18] <taras> bsmith: i might've gotten a 32bit build
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# [22:20] <mcsmurf> hi, can someone still familiar with Bonsai check if this link is correct http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsquery.cgi?treeid=default&module=SeaMonkeyAll&branch=HEAD&branchtype=match&dir=&file=&filetype=match&who=&whotype=match&sortby=Date&hours=2&date=explicit&mindate=2005-05-09&maxdate=2005-05-10+23%3A59%3A59&cvsroot=%2Fcvsroot
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# [22:20] <jlebar> One would think that bonzai would have shorter URLs...
# [22:20] <mcsmurf> as in does it include all checkins into Firefox (trunk) at that time?
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# [22:20] <taras> bsmith: yeah ok. i accidentally grabbed the 32bit build
# [22:21] <mcsmurf> or maybe it was still Mozilla, not sure
# [22:21] <taras> 64 is indeed busted
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# [22:22] <bsmith> taras: OK. First, to be clear, Win64 isn't a supported NSS configuration (there is ZERO testing of that configuration). We should still fix this, but I would be surprised if this is the only Win64-related problem.
# [22:22] <bsmith> Secondly, normal Win64 builds work correctly, so it might be anything.
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# [22:22] <mcsmurf> hm...
# [22:23] <mcsmurf> actually this was some Firefox 1.0+ build
# [22:23] <taras> bsmith: that's not good
# [22:23] <bsmith> ...related to the custom mozconfig for the Win54 profiling branch
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# [22:23] <mcsmurf> did they work on Aviary branch at that time?
# [22:23] <taras> bsmith: i confirmed that only profiling build screws up
# [22:23] <taras> ehsan: ideas?
# [22:23] <@ted> weird
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# [22:24] <bsmith> s/Win54/Win64/ of ocurse
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# [22:24] <bsmith> (since we're not supposed to be leaking our knowledge of the existance of Win54 before MWC)
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# [22:26] <jduell> biesi: so we don't seem to run most of the C++ tests in netwerk/test. Only TestCookie is run by "make check".
# [22:26] <@ted> i wonder if -Oy- breaks things in an odd way on win64?
# [22:26] <biesi> jduell, indeed
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# [22:26] <jduell> biesi: how much do we care about these test programs?
# [22:26] <biesi> jduell, some of them aren't really "tests", they are interactive developer tools
# [22:27] <biesi> jduell, but we should probably look into running more...
# [22:27] <biesi> if they are still valid
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# [22:27] <@ted> linkage makes things a PITA
# [22:27] <@ted> but we would like to have a solution for general C++ tests
# [22:27] <biesi> ted, yes please!
# [22:28] <jduell> mmmK, thanks
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# [22:28] <@ted> for bonus points i would like to just pull in google test instead of our crummy hand-rolled C++ unittest stuff
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# [22:30] <@khuey> srsly
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# [22:33] <bsmith> biesi jduell: I am looking at adding more C++ unit tests to Necko and to PSM, because I need them.
# [22:33] <bsmith> but, I don't think the existing framework isn't that bad. My CTRL, C, and V keys work fine.
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# [22:33] <biesi> heh
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# [22:34] <@ted> bsmedberg: yeah, so
# [22:34] <@ted> from that minidump of that crash with the screwed up stack
# [22:35] <@ted> stack.start_of_memory_range = 0x165ff638
# [22:35] <@ted> stack.memory.data_size = 0x9c8
# [22:35] <@bsmedberg> ted: the chkstk one?
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# [22:35] <@ted> it does think we have only ~2.5k of stack memory
# [22:35] <@ted> yeah
# [22:35] <@bsmedberg> that's kinda scary
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# [22:36] <@ted> i have no idea how MinidumpWriteDump decides what to write
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# [22:45] <billm> kinetik: ping
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# [22:48] <kinetik> billm: hi
# [22:49] <billm> kinetik: hey. thanks for looking at that bug some more!
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# [22:49] <billm> kinetik: I'm wondering what the way forward is. will additional printfs help to track it down?
# [22:50] <kinetik> billm: i think i can track it down from here
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# [22:50] <billm> kinetik: ok, thanks a lot. I've removed the printfs from larch, but you should still be able to do tryserver pushes based on older revisions.
# [22:51] <kinetik> billm: cool, i'll do that if necessary
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# [22:51] <kinetik> billm: thanks for your help
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# [22:51] <kinetik> billm: i'll use bug 657185 for the fix
# [22:52] <kinetik> er
# [22:52] <@smaug> billm: you and kinetik found a real bug in the test?
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# [22:52] <@smaug> or in non-gc related code
# [22:53] <billm> smaug: not sure, but it looks like it's a problem in the media code, if I understand correctly. kinetik tracked it down.
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# [22:53] <billm> kinetik: thanks, I'll cc myself
# [22:53] <kinetik> billm: i mean 634564
# [22:54] <@ted> huh
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# [22:54] <billm> ok, cool
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# [22:54] <@ted> MinidumpWriteDump has a feature where you can register DLLs in the system that know about other DLLs
# [22:54] <@ted> apparently this is how writing useful minidumps for .NET programs works
# [22:54] <kinetik> yeah, it looks like billm's branch just altering the timing of the tests enough to reveal the bug
# [22:54] <kinetik> s/altering/altered/
# [22:54] <@ted> they register a DLL that knows how to write info for the .NET runtime DLL
# [22:55] <@ted> crazy
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# [23:02] <@ehsan> taras: what is the problem?
# [23:04] <taras> ehsan: 64bit profiling build has busted ssl
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# [23:04] <taras> ehsan: would be good to know why, since we plan to switch people to those builds for chromehang
# [23:05] <@ted> win64 builds are not well-supported, FWIW
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# [23:05] <@ted> but we should probably fix that
# [23:05] <NeilAway> smaug: do we do focusin/focusout yet?
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# [23:09] <@smaug> NeilAway: no
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# [23:11] <@smaug> NeilAway: feel free to implement them :)
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# [23:13] <gps> espindola: I configured Jenkins to email respindola@mozilla.com when Clang builds fail with 3.0 or with LLVM/Clang SVN HEAD
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# [23:16] <@ehsan> taras: nothing that I know of could have broken this
# [23:16] <@ehsan> taras: someone needs to debug it
# [23:16] <taras> so how does one produce build that's very similar to the nightly build?
# [23:16] <@ted> might just be a weirdo compiler bug or something
# [23:17] <@ehsan> taras: add ac_add_options --enable-profiling in the mozconfig
# [23:17] <taras> is that all?
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# [23:17] <@ehsan> taras: yep
# [23:17] <taras> ok
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# [23:18] <taras> ehsan: where does one put that for try?
# [23:18] <taras> should i just edit configure.in directly?
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# [23:24] <Callek> ehsan: don't you need MOZ_OFFICIAL as well (to enable crashreporter etc.)
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# [23:27] <gps> Unfocused: I just set up a fresh Sync profile which installed a bunch of add-ons. on restart, the new tabs from the new add-ons open. but, when I go to about:addons, the Extensions tab shows a box "You don't have any add-ons of this type installed." wuh?
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# [23:28] <gps> some add-ons are providing chrome, so I know they are installed
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# [23:30] <Unfocused> gps: anything in the error console?
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# [23:30] <Unfocused> extensions.logging.enabled may or may not help
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# [23:33] <gps> Unfocused: I've a few restarts, on startup, I get a bunch of logs "New add-on XXXX installed in app-profile"
# [23:33] <gps> also a bunch of new tabs for about:newaddon were opened
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# [23:34] <Unfocused> on every restart?
# [23:34] <@smaug> heycam: ping
# [23:34] <gps> this happened after maybe the 3rd restart after the install
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# [23:35] <heycam> smaug, pong
# [23:36] <Unfocused> wonder if that's bug 702506 again
# [23:37] <@smaug> heycam: when and why was the warning added to http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/#dfn-callback-interface
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# [23:38] <heycam> smaug, after the massive thread on public-script-coord on that very issue
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# [23:38] <heycam> smaug, and because that was the direction I finally resolved in
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# [23:39] <@smaug> heycam: I must have missed the reasoning
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# [23:39] <gps> Unfocused: OK. set up a new profile again. as the add-ons install, I go to abbout:addons and can see things getting updated as Sync installs them
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# [23:39] <gps> I now have a bunch of "XXX will be installed after you restart"
# [23:40] <heycam> smaug, I presented some code with some event listeners with the different methods… I found using plain functions was simpler
# [23:40] <heycam> or had fewer cons
# [23:40] <heycam> I can find the mail
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# [23:40] <heycam> smaug, http://www.w3.org/mid/4EEAB5AD.5080705@mcc.id.au
# [23:40] <@smaug> heycam: the situation is not either-or, but support both
# [23:41] <gps> Unfocused: in this profile, it is working! I see the add-ons listed in about:addons after the restart required to finish install
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# [23:43] <Unfocused> yea, i'm betting you saw something like bug 702506 :\ we (i) really need to figure that bug out
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# [23:44] <@smaug> heycam: the c has quite bad problem "result of bind() needs to be stored"
# [23:44] <@smaug> heycam: also, in the summary you didn't list the case a and c would be supported
# [23:44] <heycam> smaug, I noted that didn't I?
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# [23:45] <@smaug> hmm, letters mean different thing in different areas of the email
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# [23:46] <heycam> oops
# [23:46] <@smaug> heycam: so, I think I read the email earlier
# [23:46] <@smaug> heycam: and I agree, I prefer c
# [23:46] <@smaug> but I mean the first c
# [23:46] <heycam> hmm, sorry for the confusion there :/
# [23:46] <@smaug> heycam: so I thought you were going with that approach
# [23:47] <gps> Unfocused: just to confirm, you think it is an Add-on Manager bug, not a Sync bug?
# [23:47] <drice> biesi: ping?
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# [23:49] <biesi> dripobng
# [23:49] <biesi> drice, pong
# [23:49] <drice> biesi: I know it's been a while, but I got some free time again and I'm coming back to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720846 .
# [23:49] <biesi> drice, ah right
# [23:49] <drice> getting down to it, I think I have a problem with name collison: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1485719
# [23:50] <drice> specifically, AF_INET as a constant for my interface collides with AF_INET macro from posix (?)
# [23:50] <biesi> oh... right...
# [23:50] <drice> So I've got to find another prefix or naming convention, I guess. But you agree that I can't use AF_INET, etc?
# [23:50] <biesi> drice, yeah
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# [23:51] <drice> I wasn't sure, ebcause I'm a little rusty on C++.
# [23:51] <drice> Any suggestions?
# [23:51] <biesi> probably easiest to rename to ADDRESS_FAMILY_INET or something
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# [23:51] <biesi> or FAMILY_INET
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# [23:51] <drice> I like FAMILY_
# [23:51] <biesi> remember to kick kernighan and ritchie if you see them
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# [23:51] <drice> biesi: me? I don't follow.
# [23:52] <heycam> smaug, feel free to reply to that mail with rebuttals. it's not the kind of issue (deciding the style of JS to allow/encourage) I prefer to reopen, though...
# [23:52] <biesi> drice, oh, for the fact that they designed C/macros the way they did
# [23:52] <Unfocused> gps: yep
# [23:52] <drice> Ah. Didn't recognize the names. I'm mostly a Java guy (don't hate me). Now they're in my vocab :) Thanks!
# [23:53] <biesi> np :)
# [23:53] <@smaug> heycam: yeah, I know reopening that isn't fun
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# [23:53] <@smaug> heycam: I just don't understand the reasoning for preventing { foo: function()}
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# [23:54] <@smaug> heycam: there is a reason why for example FF UI uses { handleEvent: function() {} } all the time
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# [23:55] <heycam> smaug, if I didn't capture that reasoning in my mail please mention them in your reply
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# [23:56] <heycam> handleEvent exists because OMG IDL was Java-like language oriented, and didn't have the concept of a plain function
# [23:56] <heycam> (in DOM Events, that is)
# [23:57] <Olipro> drice: IPv6.
# [23:57] <@smaug> heycam: not true
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# [23:57] <@smaug> heycam: DOM2 had bindings for JS
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# [23:57] <drice> Olipro: what about it?
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# [23:58] <Olipro> make sure you're IPv6 friendly! :)
# [23:58] <heycam> smaug, ok, you're right there
# [23:59] <heycam> smaug, the JS binding though says "Object EventListener: This is an ECMAScript function reference. This method has no return value. The parameter is a Event object."
# [23:59] <Olipro> either by using separate code routines to cover AF_INET and AF_INET6, or by using AF_INET6 in dual-stack mode
# [23:59] <jhammel> is tbpl being even less resopnsive than usual for logs today?
# [23:59] <heycam> smaug, I wonder who made the decision to support handleEvent properties
# [23:59] <jhammel> i keep getting connection reset
# [23:59] <@smaug> that I don't know
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# [23:59] <drice> Olipro: I intend to be, except for those fields of PRNetAddr which are not clearly defined. I think it's dangerous to provide an XPCOM interface to things that aren't firmly supported elsewhere within moz or the OS's it builds on.
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