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# Session Start: Fri Feb 17 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:00] <drice> Olipro: I take that back. I think I'm planning to simple return the value, with no claims about its meaning (for flow and scope)
# [00:00] <drice> and the address is a String (whose IPv6 format I have not yet determined)
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# [00:00] <drice> so all set there.
# [00:00] <mayhemer> is here anybody familiar with how lists of jsreftest work?
# [00:00] <jdm> drice: are you back to work on the scriptable prnetaddr again?
# [00:00] <drice> jdm: ya.
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# [00:01] <jdm> drice: nice! I just came across that bug again yesterday and was sad that there was no visible progress.
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# [00:02] <drice> Hm. Didn't know anyone cared but me, and I wasn't doing bug updates partly because of that. I'll be more vocal with updates.
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# [00:07] <jdm> roc: ping?
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# [00:08] <@roc> only if I can ask you a question too
# [00:08] <drice> what's the appropriate NS_ error to return when a function is called when not appropriate? (NS_ERROR_ILLEGAL_VALUE seems wrong)
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# [00:08] <jdm> roc: in bug 722853, you asked about adding a de-xpcomed GetUsingPrivateBrowsing, but it's from an nsCOMPtr. can you clarify?
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# [00:09] <jdm> drice: NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE perhaps, or just NS_ERROR_FAILURE or NS_ERROR_UNKNOWN
# [00:10] <@roc> isn't there a way to add real C++ methods to IDL?
# [00:10] <jdm> drice: or NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED
# [00:10] <mayhemer> what exactly means the condition "xulRuntime.shell" in reftest.list file ?
# [00:10] <@roc> I guess not virtual ones
# [00:10] <jdm> roc: oh, I follow now.
# [00:10] <jdm> roc: it's possible to add virtual ones, I'm pretty confident
# [00:10] <@roc> ok
# [00:10] <jdm> as long as they're at the end of the interface so as not to ruin vtables
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# [00:10] <@roc> as long as no other IDL inherits from nsILoadContext
# [00:11] <jdm> roc: I assume this is to avoid unneeded vtable work in hot code?
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# [00:11] <@roc> I suppose you could have a non-virtual method that just calls the virtual XPCOM method
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# [00:11] <@roc> jdm: mainly to make the callsites cleaner
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# [00:12] <jdm> ah
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# [00:13] <jdm> we should just allow IDL annotations of [infallible] that create stubs that call the XPCOM version and abort if rv != NS_OK
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# [00:15] <@smaug> roc: nsIDOMEventTarget.idl has all sorts of C++ http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/interfaces/events/nsIDOMEventTarget.idl
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# [00:15] <@roc> new DOM bindings knows about infallibility
# [00:15] <@roc> I hear
# [00:16] <jtcranmer> proposal:
# [00:16] <jtcranmer> permit [infallible], forbid it on non-[builtinclass]
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# [00:16] <jdm> file a bug!
# [00:17] <jtcranmer> allows you to delete nsresult
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# [00:17] <jdm> roc: did you have a question you wanted to ask me?
# [00:17] <@roc> yes
# [00:17] <@roc> if Gandalf fought Dumbledore, who would win?
# [00:17] <@smaug> Gandalf
# [00:17] <edmorley> njn: does bug 727938 still mean to have ScriptScan in the summary?
# [00:18] <Unfocused> hm, beard vs beard
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# [00:19] <njn> edmorley: fixed, thanks
# [00:19] <jduell> dholbert: do you want to land 727970 or should I?
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# [00:19] <edmorley> njn: np :-)
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# [00:20] <drice> biesi (or anyone): is there an existing ipv4 / ipv6 net to nsACString implementation? Also, is there an existing IPv6 addr display convention for moz / fx?
# [00:20] <philor> billm: bustage
# [00:20] <philor> philikon: bustage
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# [00:21] <billm> philor: ok, i'll fix
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# [00:21] <Dagger> drice: there's a canonical form for displaying v6 addresses. I don't know if there's a Firefox convention, but if there is and it's not the canonical form I'd say that's a problem
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# [00:24] <jdm> roc: also, do you happen if know what tests I should be running to make sure my PB change to layout doesn't break things?
# [00:24] <jdm> I presume we have mochitests or reftests as well...
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# [00:25] <drice> Dagger: not as easy as it ought to be. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5952
# [00:25] <drice> I'll take it to the bug. Thanks.
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# [00:28] <Dagger> drice: yeah, that's the one. getnameinfo() produces addresses in that format, and is what you're supposed to use to get them (but it's a POSIX function and takes "struct sockaddr"s rather than whatever Mozilla uses)
# [00:28] <cpearce> Anyone ever tried putting their ccache in a ramdisk (on Linux)? Did it speed up builds?
# [00:29] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, you rock. Thanks.
# [00:29] <@roc> jdm: "everything" probably
# [00:29] <edmorley> philikon: push backed out
# [00:29] * cpearce wishes he had a few more free GB of ram...
# [00:29] <@roc> that's OK, we have tryserver
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# [00:29] <mattwoodrow> cpearce: I did my entire src/objdir on a ramdisk on windows
# [00:29] <mattwoodrow> was about 25% faster iirc
# [00:30] <edmorley> billm: going to back out just so we don't have to star loads in the meantime
# [00:30] <billm> edmorley: it's fixed now
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# [00:30] <cpearce> mattwoodrow: what ramdisk did you use? I tried that on windows and it didn't make much differnece for me
# [00:30] <edmorley> billm: cool, thank you :-)
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# [00:31] <cpearce> mattwoodrow: though, maybe I didn't have enough ram to pull it off properly.
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# [00:31] <jimm> cpearce: sped things up for me, but first I had to move the sdk, moz tools and vs install over to the ram drive as well.
# [00:31] <mattwoodrow> cpearce: ImDisk
# [00:31] <infinity0> hey guys, what's the best way to get the ABI string from C++?
# [00:32] <infinity0> i'd like to print it to stdout, and not that familiar with the mozilla API
# [00:32] <cpearce> jimm, thanks, good tip.
# [00:32] <infinity0> e.g. how to create a nsACString to pass to GetXPCOMABI
# [00:32] <cpearce> jimm, mattwoodrow: how big was your ramdisk?
# [00:32] <mattwoodrow> 4gb
# [00:32] <cpearce> Do you still use it?
# [00:32] <jimm> I bought a physical drive - 250GB
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# [00:33] <jdm> infinity0: see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/components/ManifestParser.cpp#473 for an example
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# [00:33] <darktrojan> mm, faster builds
# [00:33] <mattwoodrow> nah I don't, too much of a hassle to set it up every time
# [00:33] <darktrojan> that'd be nice
# [00:33] <mattwoodrow> I just use mac :)
# [00:33] <cpearce> jimm: A SSD? how much did that help? I've been wondering about getting one myself.
# [00:33] <mattwoodrow> 9 minute clobbers
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# [00:34] <gps> if I wanted to implement search engine sync, where would I look for APIs, knowledge, etc?
# [00:34] <darktrojan> #sync
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# [00:34] <biesi> drice, PR_NetAddrToString?
# [00:34] <gps> I am #sync. looking for help on the Firefox side
# [00:34] <darktrojan> oh
# [00:34] <infinity0> jdm: aha thanks
# [00:34] <jimm> cpearce: yep, it helped with interim builds a great deal. clobber builds not as much, although from looking at a disk monitor my builds still hit my platter drive for some reason. haven't figured that out yet.
# [00:35] <drice> biesi: Honzo JUST updated the bug with that. Thanks. I'll pick it up tomorrow morning.
# [00:35] <biesi> heh
# [00:35] <darktrojan> gps, Unfocused and qheaden are doing search engine stuff at the moment
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# [00:35] <jdm> biesi: want to suggest/approve a comment for bug 382702?
# [00:36] <Unfocused> gps: toolkit/components/search/nsSearchService.js
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# [00:37] <Unfocused> and yes, that's being added to the addons manager. will be quite awhile before that's done/to a level sync could use it though
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# [00:38] <Unfocused> eg, installing via the addons manager apis is a long way off
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# [00:38] <biesi> jdm: commented
# [00:38] <Unfocused> (qheaden is doing it in his spare time, after school)
# [00:38] <gps> Unfocused: hmmm. this is a highly requested feature for Sync. I guess that migration throws a wrench in potential plans
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# [00:39] <Unfocused> gps: no, you can still use nsSearchService - the addons manager stuff just adds to that
# [00:40] <gps> Unfocused: is it true that the actual metadata constituting a search engine is small and would be easy to sync regardless of how search engines are managed?
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# [00:40] <Unfocused> and mostly does so as a separate object, no less
# [00:40] <Unfocused> gps: yes
# [00:40] <gps> I see addEngine(URL, dataType, iconURL). is that it?
# [00:40] <Unfocused> biggest thing is probably the icon
# [00:41] <Unfocused> well, look at the files in /searchengines/ in your profile (or app directory)
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# [00:41] <Unfocused> the xml often contains various parameters that are added to the url programatically
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# [00:42] <@smaug> can anyone load tbpl logs?
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# [00:43] <jhammel> nope :(
# [00:43] <Unfocused> but you'd have to take into consideration things like bug 722352, where the parameters differ based on what application channel you're on :\
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# [00:43] <gps> could we sync the XML verbatim?
# [00:43] <mak> smaug: I can, slowly though
# [00:43] <mak> ah, nvm, can't anymore!
# [00:44] <@smaug> :(
# [00:44] <@smaug> time to close the tree ?
# [00:45] <Unfocused> gps: no, cos not all engines are in xml. but they're all in the database
# [00:45] <Unfocused> .. which is being moved to not be a database
# [00:45] <@stuart> hmm
# [00:45] <@stuart> sicking where are you!
# [00:45] <Unfocused> gps: see bug 699856
# [00:45] <mak> edmorley: hi! is it ok to close the tree since we can't read logs?
# [00:45] <@smaug> stuart: in Toronto ?
# [00:45] <@stuart> smaug: mm perhaps
# [00:46] <@stuart> i need someone who knows about the disabling of remote xul
# [00:46] <@stuart> "remote"
# [00:46] <edmorley> mak: ah, not just my connection (been having a day of it since I got back from being away today), yeah agree
# [00:46] <Unfocused> sadly, the search service wasn't getting much love until very recently. now there's a flurry of activity
# [00:46] * mak closes
# [00:47] <Unfocused> gps: fwiw, i'd suggest waiting until bug 699856 lands
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# [00:48] <gps> Unfocused: thanks very much for all of the details
# [00:48] <@stuart> does anyone know about the disabling of remote xul/why -chrome localfile thinks that it is remote?
# [00:48] <Unfocused> n/p!
# [00:49] <@khuey> stuart: because it's based on the protocol it's loaded over?
# [00:49] <@khuey> that would be my guess
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# [00:49] <@stuart> khuey: so file:/// is remote?
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# [00:49] <dholbert> jduell, thanks
# [00:49] <mbrubeck> stuart: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Firefox_4_for_developers#Remote_XUL_support_removed
# [00:49] * mak changes topic to 'm-c: CLOSED m-i: CLOSED || Next aurora uplift: 13th March || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [00:49] <dholbert> jduell, (was in an interview)
# [00:49] <mbrubeck> stuart: "also, you can no longer load XUL documents using file:// URLs unless you create the preference dom.allow_XUL_XBL_for_file and set it to true"
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# [00:49] <@stuart> i can set that!
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# [00:50] <mak> edmorley: philor: smaug: mbrubeck: tree's closed since logs are unaccessible
# [00:50] <@smaug> thanks
# [00:50] <Unfocused> stuart: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=546857#c150
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# [00:51] <@stuart> awesome thanks
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# [00:52] <@stuart> can i MOZ_NO_REMOTE on mac?
# [00:52] <joe> dammit
# [00:52] <joe> missed pushing by 3 minutes
# [00:53] <philor> mak: good call, I was just threatening that, I closed try too
# [00:53] <mak> well, the good call is not mine, I just did it :)
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# [00:53] <Unfocused> is -no-remote not good enough for you?
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# [00:54] <@stuart> hot
# [00:54] <@stuart> thanks guys
# [00:54] <RyanVM> is m-c & m-i being closed supposed to affect Try too?
# [00:54] <mbrubeck> philor just closed Try
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# [00:55] <lurking> hmm, I can open logs - unless I'm not looking in right place again - View brief Log WFM
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# [00:55] <mbrubeck> lurking: It seems some of them are working and others not, or it's intermittent.
# [00:55] <lurking> ahh
# [00:56] <mbrubeck> philor: Why close Try? People might as well push now even if they won't be able to view the results right away, no?
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# [00:58] <darktrojan> Unfocused, gah, nsXULComboboxAccessible uses .label for the label of the selected item
# [00:58] <philor> mbrubeck: because the reason we can't see logs is because we're backed up uploading them to an overloaded server, and on a good bad day try generates as many logs as all the other trees combined, was my thinking
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# [00:59] <philor> so people might as well push to try if they don't mind delaying the opening of other trees, and depending on whether releng is really backing off on the next release to let surf catch up, don't mind delaying a chemspill release
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# [01:00] <Callek> roughly how long does an android *build* take on try (once started)?
# [01:00] <philor> VM or hardware?
# [01:00] <Unfocused> darktrojan: its friday... explain why thats a problem?
# [01:00] <sfink> y'know, logs really aren't that interesting. The amount of entropy in 100 log files really isn't that much more than in 1 log file. It's a shame we have to pay 100x the transmission cost for something like 8x the information.
# [01:00] <Callek> philor: not sure: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=de058221c837
# [01:00] <darktrojan> Unfocused, because we're trying to use .label for a label
# [01:00] <darktrojan> or I am
# [01:01] <philor> 40 or 160 minutes, or some other number in the neighborhood
# [01:01] <RyanVM> philor: any idea when the trees will reopen?
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# [01:01] <Callek> ooo we're closed :/
# [01:02] <philor> RyanVM: no idea, sorry, but I wouldn't count on soon since the next release will probably just go ahead and bog surf down yet again
# [01:03] <Unfocused> darktrojan: oh, for nsIDOMXULLabeledControlElement?
# [01:03] <Unfocused> wonder how that's handled normally, with control=whatever
# [01:04] <Unfocused> nsAccessible.cpp or nsAccessibleService.cpp will know
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# [01:04] <darktrojan> yeah that
# [01:04] <darktrojan> I'll have a read
# [01:04] <mak> on the other side this closing is useful for inbound, too much red/orange
# [01:04] <RyanVM> philor: It's cool. Thanks for keeping an eye on things
# [01:04] * philor closes aurora and beta just in case someone has an approval burning a hole in their pocket
# [01:05] <philor> oh, wait, damn, *I* have one!
# [01:05] <NeilAway> heycam: I actually prefer object callbacks :-P
# [01:06] <darktrojan> philor, land it, then close ;)
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# [01:06] <philor> alas, still at work and treeless for another three hours
# [01:07] <@stuart> hmm
# [01:07] <NeilAway> huh, how did I manage to link libxul in 50s?
# [01:07] <@stuart> wonder why my browser element isn't giving me the love that i want
# [01:08] <jtcranmer> NeilAway: you invented a quantum computer?
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# [01:09] <@stuart> oh
# [01:09] <@stuart> Permission denied for <file://> to get property XPCComponents.utils
# [01:09] <@stuart> i bet that is problematic.
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# [01:10] <lurking> Chemspill for Firefox ? Guess I missed the memo
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# [01:15] <@stuart> my really old test app crashes
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# [01:16] <NeilAway> bah, whose idea was it to put the - in about:sync-tabs
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# [01:19] <Callek> mine
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# [01:19] <Callek> (ok not really)
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# [01:19] <Callek> WG9s: na, just load seamonkey and look for the meaning of [about]:life
# [01:19] <Callek> You'll get your answer
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# [01:20] <RyanVM> akeybl: optimizejars.py runs on all branches
# [01:20] <RyanVM> it's what causes omni.ja to be optimized for performance during the build process
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# [01:22] <akeybl> RyanVM: "We don't optimize jars anymore, and builds ignore the problem, letting it regress."
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# [01:23] <cpearce> What does the 'P' in nsPIDOMWindow stand for? "private"?
# [01:24] <Unfocused> cpearce: correct
# [01:25] <RyanVM> akeybl: Exactly. So how can you say it doesn't affect the built product?
# [01:26] <RyanVM> we don't optimize *because* it's borken
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# [01:26] <RyanVM> and we didn't have tests to catch the regression
# [01:26] <RyanVM> so it broke and nobody noticed
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# [01:29] <infinity0> libxul.so: undefined reference to `moz_calloc'
# [01:29] <infinity0> how do i fix that?
# [01:29] <infinity0> gcc test.cpp -o test -I/usr/include/nspr -I/usr/include/xulrunner-10.0 -DMOZ_NO_MOZALLOC -L/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-10.0/lib -lxpcomglue_s_nomozalloc -lxul -lxpcom -lplds4 -lplc4 -lnspr4 -lpthread -ldl -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -fPIC -g -std=gnu++0x
# [01:31] <akeybl> RyanVM: there's a misunderstanding then
# [01:31] <RyanVM> akeybl: indeed
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# [01:37] <akeybl> fixed
# [01:38] <mak> akeybl: sorry, didn't mean to confuse you
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# [01:38] <akeybl> mak: not a problem, glad it was caught quickly
# [01:39] <mak> not quickly enough, imo. the builds should fail if omni.jar is not optimized :(
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# [01:40] <@stuart> apparently the remote xul file disabling pref doesn't really do enough
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# [01:44] <@khuey> so is there no approval-mozilla-esr flag?
# [01:44] <@khuey> we just get told it's ok to land
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# [01:45] <Jesse> taras: how is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726503 not a compiler warning :(
# [01:46] <Jesse> https://bug726503.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=596552
# [01:46] <jimm> what's up with the tree closure? I'm able to access logs on inbound currently.
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# [01:47] <jimm> philor: ^
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# [01:47] <taras> Jesse: agreed
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# [01:49] <njn_> http://blog.mozilla.com/nnethercote/2012/02/17/the-mcafee-site-advisor-add-on-has-an-appalling-memory-leak/
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# [01:50] <hub> ouch
# [01:51] <edmorley> jimm: depends on which logs, I still can't access many of them
# [01:52] <tbsaunde> Jesse: that warning would suffer from the kind of anoying though since it wouldn't like sort of reasonable things like #ifdef x #define foo 1 #else #define foo 0 #endif if (x && foo)
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# [01:53] <taras> njn_: btw AVG has awesomely similar bugs
# [01:53] <njn_> taras: do we have bugzilla bugs open on those?
# [01:54] <edmorley> AV add-ons are a nightmare
# [01:54] <Jesse> tbsaunde: the combination of type coercion and always-truthy should be a sign, imo
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# [01:55] <taras> njn_: yup
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# [01:57] <edmorley> oops: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.tree-management/5VxnjZSzZOw/b7u69Rv0qsEJ
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# [01:58] <jduell> dholbert: hope you get the job :)
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# [01:58] <@stuart> hm
# [01:58] <@stuart> or should firefox -app work?
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# [01:58] <dholbert> jduell, whahuh?
# [01:59] <tbsaunde> Jesse: I'd agree that a always true or false expression in an if is odd, but fairly reasonable if its a macro
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# [01:59] <jduell> dholbert: create interpretation of your previous comment :)
# [01:59] <tbsaunde> Jesse: but I don't see any suspicious type coherssion there
# [01:59] <jduell> s/create/creative/
# [01:59] <dholbert> jduell, oh, heh :)
# [01:59] <@smaug> I hope dholbert meant he was interviewing someone else
# [01:59] <Jesse> tbsaunde: int to bool
# [01:59] <dholbert> jduell, it had been long enough since my previous comment that I'd forgotten about it
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# [02:00] <ptheriault> Does anyone know why DOMParser.parseFromString fetches URLs and executes script when run from Error Console, but not when run in a web page?
# [02:00] <ptheriault> e.g. (new DOMParser()).parseFromString("<html><img src='http://localhost/logthis' onerror=alert('ohai')></img>", "text/html").documentElement.innerHTML
# [02:00] <Bas> How long do we expect try to be gone?
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# [02:01] <@smaug> ptheriault: uh, please file a bug
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# [02:01] <tbsaunde> Jesse: I guess its c++ so there is true bools, but that particular convertion seems pretty reasonable to me at this point
# [02:01] <ptheriault> k
# [02:01] <@smaug> ptheriault: cc me and hsivonen
# [02:02] <@smaug> ptheriault: it shouldn't execute scripts
# [02:02] <Jesse> tbsaunde: then maybe we should be using an explicit bitfield type instead of this mess with & ;)
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# [02:03] <@smaug> ptheriault: oh, you really need documentElement.innerHTML
# [02:03] <@smaug> interesting
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# [02:04] <@smaug> and bizarre
# [02:04] <ptheriault> yeh...
# [02:04] <@smaug> ptheriault: make the bug block 102699
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# [02:06] <tbsaunde> Jesse: but C++ doesn't really have one of those afaik :/
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# [02:06] <tbsaunde> Jesse: note I am not argueing that I don't want such a warning just noting it will flag reasonable things
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# [02:08] <tbsaunde> Jesse: well, I thought that was somewhat compiler specific but if all the ones we care about suport it I gues that would be a better way anyway
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# [02:13] <dholbert> smaug, indeed I did :)
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# [02:15] <RyanVM> Bas: I was told earlier that there was no idea how long :(
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# [02:23] <WG9s> I suspect once all the release builds for the chemspill are done the logserver backlog will celar up and the tree will open, but that is not really a time estimate.
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# [02:38] <reuben> apparently if you get an unresponsive script warning dialog while choosing a directory in the save image dialog, you have to kill firefox
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# [02:41] <JonathanS> did somebody filed tracking bug for 10.8?
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# [02:44] <Callek> JonathanS: there is at least one or two releng-side bugs, I *think* there is a product bug for it, just not sure where
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# [02:44] <cers> reuben: I seem to remember being able to trigger unresponsive script simply by not choosing a file quick enough - but that was a good while ago, so I guess it might have been fixed
# [02:44] <Callek> [atm]
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# [02:44] <JonathanS> Callek, hmm
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# [02:47] <froydnj> Callek: thanks for analyzing the build in 726656!
# [02:47] <Callek> froydnj: no problem
# [02:48] <Callek> froydnj: I'm no philor as to analyzing orange, but at least that helped (looked like an awfully high number of fails/warnings for that, so I wanted to peek)
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# [02:51] <edmorley> Callek: autoland-try matching against tbpl's hidden build/tests json list would be awesome
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# [02:52] <Callek> edmorley: of course it would, I just don't know the autoland//try-bug-reporting code/where it is exactly/etc. to help fix that
# [02:52] <Callek> nor do I know the TBPL code for hiding stuff
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# [02:52] <Callek> I can probably find out, but with my free time devotion doing more than is relevent for SeaMonkey comes harder
# [02:52] <Callek> :-)
# [02:53] <edmorley> :-)
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# [02:56] <edmorley> lsblakk: would using TBPL's list of hidden builders for Try (https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getHiddenBuilderNames.php?branch=Try) so as to hide the perma-orange results from the comment that RelEng Bot posts on the bug, be something you would consider including?
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# [02:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7e1855af184c - Serge Gautherie - Bug 285374. (Av1) Set background color as a property, not as an attribute. r=neil.
# [02:59] <Callek> RyanVM: tracking-esr10: has flags for 11+ 12+ 13+
# [02:59] <edmorley> RyanVM: esr11+ doesn't mean a new ESR based on 11, it means the ESR point update released at the same time as 11 hits release channel (https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/ESR_Landing_Process)
# [02:59] <Callek> RyanVM: akeybl set the 13+ there
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# [02:59] <RyanVM> ahh....
# [03:00] <RyanVM> wow, quite the correction in unison there
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# [03:00] <Callek> edmorley: thanks for explaining it much better than me, fwiw
# [03:00] <edmorley> it was one of those, I've started typing so I might as well finish :-)
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# [03:05] <@smaug> printf("%s", string.get());
# [03:06] <njn_> get(), that's it, thx
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# [03:21] <billm> kinetik: ping
# [03:21] <kinetik> billm: hi
# [03:21] <billm> kinetik: hey. any luck on that timeout?
# [03:21] <kinetik> billm: not yet
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# [03:22] <billm> kinetik: are you still against disabling the test for now? my other option is to land incremental GC, but have it be off by default.
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# [03:23] <kinetik> billm: disabling it seems fine now that it's mostly understood
# [03:23] <billm> kinetik: okay, cool, thanks!
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# [03:34] <philor> billm: aww, you're disabling incremental GC on Android, rather than disabling all the e4x tests on Android? rats, I was hoping to see some more tests disappear!
# [03:34] <billm> philor: heh :-). hopefully only until tomorrow when I can look into the problem.
# [03:35] <billm> philor: btw, do you know if the 2400s timeout is for all jstests, or for each test individually?
# [03:35] <lurking> oh, IGC only landing on droid ?
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# [03:36] <billm> incremental GC will probably be disabled for a brief time on android
# [03:36] <cpearce> Is desktop fennec the same as fennec nightly on android? Or is it something else these days?
# [03:36] <lurking> is it coming to m-c soon?
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# [03:36] <billm> yes, probably tomorrow
# [03:36] <philor> billm: 2400 is "without output" so it's that the whole thing stopped doing anything or producing any output for 2400 seconds
# [03:37] <billm> although I've said such things before with no result
# [03:37] <lurking> w00t
# [03:37] <billm> ok, interesting. so some test is definitely dying in a bad way.
# [03:37] <philor> or the device OOMs without leaving any evidence
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# [03:38] <philor> that's been mentioned a bit in the bug for the less-common-than-yours timeouts several times
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# [03:39] <billm> oh, I see. that would be something my patch could maybe cause, too.
# [03:39] <philor> unfortunately, not as "I ran it, and watched it, and that's what it did" so much as "well, I wonder, that might be, hmm"
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# [03:40] <billm> yeah. I'm hoping to test it on an actual device and watch what happens. perhaps I'm naive though. I've never worked on arm before.
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# [03:44] <philor> jst: what was your bustage on that one last time, pgo build crashing?
# [03:46] <philor> oh, or is that just a badslave?
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# [03:47] <Bas> josh roc: Interesting question about NPAPI Async, it seems the NPPVpluginDrawingModel and kRequestDrawingModel_ANPSetValue are identical, we could either make NPAPI Async not work on android, or we could choose a new NPPV for the cross-platform drawing model. I'm inclined to say the former. But I wanted to check with you guys.
# [03:48] <josh> Bas: this isn't a final spec, is it?
# [03:48] <josh> I usually don't add final values until we approve the spec
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# [03:48] <Bas> josh: Which one? NPAPI Async? No, it isn't, although I have no idea why not :)
# [03:49] <josh> what I'm saying is, it's no problem to change the values
# [03:49] <Bas> josh: We can choose a new value, but we'd like it to exist 'alongside' NPPVpluginDrawingModel used on Mac, so we'd -like- to use that value.
# [03:49] <josh> yeah, I'll look at that situation next week
# [03:49] <Bas> And that value -is- final :)
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# [03:49] <josh> Bas: oh, you're talking about a value that is final per a prior spec, I see
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# [03:50] <Bas> josh: Yup :) And I'd like us to use that value as it makes sense (you can only be in one drawing model!)
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# [03:51] <Bas> josh: The android values also actually conflict with the NPDrawingModel enum in npapi.h
# [03:51] <Bas> So we couldn't just merge the two naively.
# [03:51] <josh> Bas: I have to run, can you email this question to me and/or plugin-futures?
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# [03:51] <Bas> josh: I'll e-mail it to you.
# [03:51] <josh> this is what I warned Google about, ick
# [03:53] <Bas> josh: I'm inclined to just ignore android for now, we can add an NPPV for android when we want to use the AsyncBitmapModel there.
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# [04:02] <gps> Unfocused: it seems add-on sync doesn't like to install non-restartless add-ons in a disabled state
# [04:02] <gps> I set userDisabled = true before restart. but, the change doesn't stick
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# [04:04] <@roc> Do we have a type anywhere that's just a thread-safe refcounted buffer of arbitrary data?
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# [04:05] <gps> same thing goes for .syncGUID it appears. hmmm
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# [04:09] <@bz_away> bug 648045 and bug 684805
# [04:09] <@bz_away> roc: we do, actually
# [04:09] <@bz_away> roc: nsStringBuffer
# [04:09] <@bz_away> roc: at least it's thread-safe for the foreseeable future
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# [04:09] <@roc> thread-safe?
# [04:09] <@roc> madness!
# [04:09] <@bz_away> those twho bug numbers are very confusing, esp. given the content of the bug
# [04:09] <@bz_away> roc: atomic refcounting
# [04:10] <@roc> still slow
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# [04:10] <@bz_away> roc: have to be able to pass a string to another thread and then copy it there. :(
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# [04:10] <@bz_away> roc: yeah, I know
# [04:10] <@bz_away> roc: I'd dearly love to fix it
# [04:10] <@bz_away> roc: just need to find all the places we hand off strings across threads. :(
# [04:10] <@roc> nsStringBuffer has a size field that I actually don't need
# [04:10] <@roc> and it would be confusing to store audio samples in an nsStringBuffer :-)
# [04:10] <@bz_away> heh
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# [04:10] <@bz_away> then you may have to roll your own
# [04:10] <@roc> I will
# [04:11] <@roc> it's no biggie
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# [04:22] * njn_ hates namespaces, mostly because when you forget about them the compile/link errors are so hard to diagnose
# [04:23] <@bz_away> yep
# [04:24] <@bz_away> and setting a breakpoint in your debugger is a PITA
# [04:25] <tbsaunde> bz_away: other than being maybe a little longer why is it any worse?
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# [04:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2271cb92cc05 - Brian Smith - Bug 713936: Update to NSS_3_13_2_RTM (NSS 3.13.2), r=kai
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# [04:30] <heycam> why are the Talos tests listed on tbpl for try different from those on other trees (like mozilla-central)?
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# [04:33] <@bz_away> roc: ping
# [04:33] <@roc> hi
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# [04:35] <@khuey> cjones: ping?
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# [04:35] <@bz_away> roc: so foreignobject uses ConstructBlock
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# [04:35] <@bz_away> roc: but <button> just creates a blockframe
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# [04:36] <@bz_away> roc: for the anonymous block inside them
# [04:36] <@bz_away> roc: since there are no column styles involved there's no real difference, right?
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# [04:37] <cjones> hey khuey
# [04:37] <@bz_away> roc: (modulo the difference in terms of what gets pushed as the abspos containing block)
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# [04:37] <@roc> yeah
# [04:37] <@khuey> cjones: is it possible to do IPDL from the content main-thread to chrome not-main-thread
# [04:37] <@bz_away> ok
# [04:37] <cjones> khuey, yes
# [04:37] * @bz_away is trying to refactor this stuff a bit to make it saner
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# [04:38] <@khuey> cjones: are there docs/examples/existing code I can look at to see how?
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# [04:39] <cjones> khuey, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/ipc/ipdl/test/cxx/TestOpens.cpp
# [04:40] <@khuey> cjones: awesome, thanks
# [04:40] <cjones> np
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# [04:42] <@khuey> cjones: am I correct in believing that a given actor is confined to a single thread?
# [04:42] <@khuey> I can't receive some messages on one thread and some on another, right?
# [04:43] <cjones> khuey, you are correct
# [04:43] <@khuey> k
# [04:43] <cjones> entire "channels" are bound to the thread they're opened on
# [04:43] <cjones> and all the actors using the channel
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# [04:43] * cjones wonders what you're cooking up
# [04:43] <@khuey> ah, interesting
# [04:43] <@khuey> cjones: starting to think about what remoting IDB for B2G will look like
# [04:44] <cjones> ah
# [04:44] <cjones> noble pursuit
# [04:44] <cjones> godspeed
# [04:44] <@khuey> heh
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# [04:58] <Unfocused> gps: hm, that sounds familiar. for gincGUID, did you add that to the staged json file?
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# [04:58] <Unfocused> er, syncGUID
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# [05:00] <gps> Unfocused: see patch in bug 712542
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# [05:03] <glob> heh.. "unfocused looking"
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# [05:03] <Unfocused> heh
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# [05:15] <Unfocused> gps: are you *sure* setting userDisabled like that works? cos AFAICT, we just don't support doing it before restart
# [05:16] <Unfocused> (which would never have been a problem before now, since it can't be done via the UI anyway)
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# [05:18] <Unfocused> simple test: install non-restartless addon, go into details view of that addon, enter the following in the web console: gDetailsView._addon.userDisabled = true;, restart
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# [05:36] <Unfocused> gps: ugh, nevermind me... that's what the bug is about.... *sigh* i need to drink more
# [05:36] <Unfocused> and yes, that does work
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# [06:16] <njn_> I have a chrome test where I need to the page to update in a certain way before running my tests. (More specifically, I have to wait for a GC/CC to run before the page finishes generating.) What's a good way to delay the testing until things are ready?
# [06:17] <philor> by having an event fire when things are ready, and listening for it
# [06:17] <njn_> my best idea so far is to listen for DOMTitleChanged
# [06:17] <njn_> philor: gee, thanks
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# [07:01] <bc> njn_: could enable the gc logging and listen for the messages to the error console and see when a gc happens...
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# [07:02] <njn_> bc: I ended up synthesizing a custom event and listening for that, just got it working. thanks anyway!
# [07:02] <bc> Honza: if you have questions about ecma_2/Statements/forin-002.js, i'm here.
# [07:02] <bc> njn_: nice
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# [07:06] <philor> oh, so by having an event fire when things are ready, and listening for it?
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# [07:38] <jlebar> What's the current status of third-party installed add-ons?
# [07:39] <jlebar> We prompted users if they wanted to keep them...
# [07:39] <jlebar> But can third-parties still create them?
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# [07:52] <rclick> jlebar, I think they're disabled by default and the user is asked if they want to enable them next time fx runs, but don't quote me on that.
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# [08:49] <Shivanand_Sharma> hi, where is the latest aurora source on the ftp?
# [08:50] <Standard8> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all-aurora.html
# [08:50] <Standard8> that gives you the ftp links
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# [08:52] <Shivanand_Sharma> Looking for the source here, not binaries :)
# [08:52] <squib> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora
# [08:54] <Standard8> if you want the source bundles, then http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/bundles/
# [08:54] <Standard8> but we don't package aurora into source files
# [08:54] <Shivanand_Sharma> don't know what the bundle is. I want to build aurora myself
# [08:55] <Shivanand_Sharma> just got the source for release here http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/
# [08:55] <Standard8> use what aquib said then
# [08:55] <squib> i think the usual way is to hg clone the repo and then do your thing
# [08:55] <Shivanand_Sharma> cool, got it
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# [09:07] <glob> people were excited about a bug that hit 1000 comments; yahoo's bugzilla install has one with 98000 comments. wow.
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# [09:15] <db48x> glob: real comments, or automated?
# [09:15] <One> !seen kewisch
# [09:15] <firebot> kewisch was last seen 183 weeks, 2 days, 11 hours, 3 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying 'I'll look into it later, thank you so far, I'll get back to you :_)' in #calendar.
# [09:15] <glob> db48x, i don't know i'm sorry. i'd really hope automated!
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# [09:15] <db48x> yea!
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# [09:16] <db48x> that many real comments would make a real flamefest
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# [09:23] <Standard8> glandium: why do we suddenly need bug 528687 in comm-central?
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# [09:24] <glandium> Standard8: because i finally updated seamonkey in debian
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# [09:24] <Standard8> ah heh
# [09:24] <glandium> and hit it
# [09:24] <glandium> (jump from 2.0.14 to 2.7.1)
# [09:26] <gaston> glandium: what was holding you ? (besides time...)
# [09:26] <glandium> gaston: time
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# [10:28] <NeilAway> glob: one of my text fields went a scary colour, until it dawned on me that I had accidentally checked Private. Phew!
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# [10:39] <shng> hello
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# [10:40] <shng> I want to make the corners to rounded corners of the window that displays the html page inside <tabbrowser> , how can i do it?
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# [10:41] <shng> if i try to do it with <tabbrowser style="background-color: #C9C9C9;-moz-border-radius: 2em;"> then the borders are drawn with the tabs inside it ..!
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# [10:41] <shng> can anybody help ?
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# [10:43] <NeilAway> shng: each tab has its own <browser> element
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# [10:43] <shng> NeilAway: where can i find it , i mean which file ... ?
# [10:44] <NeilAway> shng: it's not in a file, it gets created dynamically
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# [10:44] <shng> NeilAway: ah , so you mean as soon as the tab is opened it gets created?
# [10:44] <NeilAway> shng: right
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# [10:45] <shng> NeilAway: so i think i can do it dynamically , by dynamically accessing its <browser> and then putting style , right..?
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# [10:46] <NeilAway> shng: well, it would be easier to overlay a stylesheet with the right style in it
# [10:46] <shng> if it can be done dynamically its much better way :)
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# [10:49] <shng> NeilAway: but how can i get that <browser> gBrowser.selectedTab.browser ?
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# [10:53] <Fallen> firebot: seen one
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# [10:53] <Fallen> TheOne: hi, I am kewisch
# [10:53] <Fallen> oh I see your question in #calendar, moving conversation
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# [10:56] <glandium> who is doing seamonkey releases these days?
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# [10:57] <Standard8> Callek and ewong I believe
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# [10:58] <NeilAway> shng: well, .selectedBrowser if you insist
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# [11:01] <newn> NeilAway: so it is gBrowser.selectedBrowser right?
# [11:04] <newn> but this gBrowser.selectedBrowser.setAttribute('style' , "background-color: #C9C9C9;-moz-border-radius: 2em;"); doesnt seem to work , i put this in both TabSelect and TabOpen event :(
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# [11:15] <glandium> Callek: ping
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# [11:29] <mck182> hi, I'd like to get some help writing a NPAPI plugin, is this the right place? ;)
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# [11:32] <mak> mck182: hi, yes though it's not the best time to ask. most developers working on plug-ins are in the US timezone
# [11:32] <mck182> ah
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# [11:32] <mck182> well basically I want to write a very simple extension that runs an external binary after file download
# [11:32] <mck182> I chose NPAPI so it can be used in chrome as well
# [11:33] <mak> you mean content?
# [11:33] <db48x> no
# [11:33] <db48x> he means Chrome
# [11:33] <mck182> yes, google chrome ;)
# [11:33] <mak> hm, conflicting names :)
# [11:33] <db48x> yep
# [11:33] <mck182> hehe
# [11:34] <mck182> let me tell you my idea so you fully understand
# [11:34] <mak> I don't think I can help you with npapi though
# [11:35] <mak> I suspect if you come back in 4 hours you'll have more possibilities... or you could just post the question in mozilla.dev.platform newsgroup
# [11:35] <mck182> on KDE we have Nepomuk, the semantic data storage/provider. I want to write an extension, that adds semantic info to a downloaded file, which should be the url from which that file was downloaded...the Nepomuk calls itself are wrapped in a simple binary, so that NPAPI plugins basically just needs to call the binary with url as an argument
# [11:35] <mak> or mozilla.dev.extensions
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# [11:36] <db48x> I might be able to help with NPAPI though, so let's see...
# [11:36] <mck182> aight, if noone helps, I'll ask later again ;)
# [11:36] <db48x> mck182: that's the spirit
# [11:36] <mck182> as I know Qt really well, I was thinking about using QtBrowserPlugin for that
# [11:36] <db48x> mck182: makes sense
# [11:37] <db48x> mck182: what have you done so far?
# [11:37] <mck182> read "hello world" :))
# [11:37] <mck182> example
# [11:37] <mck182> I could use some pointers on how to get to the url of the downloaded file
# [11:37] <db48x> heh
# [11:37] <db48x> I've never used Qt for this
# [11:38] <db48x> I don't think I would, either
# [11:38] <mck182> I wonder if it's good idea
# [11:38] <db48x> an NPAPI plugin is actually pretty simple when you get down to it
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# [11:38] <mck182> right
# [11:38] <mak> edmorley: did you see that 81% regression in Dromaeo?
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# [11:39] <edmorley> mak: yeah, was going to track it down on inbound after I'd caught up on bugmail
# [11:40] <mak> edmorley: strange though, i didn't appear in inbound, there I can only see some 3%,4%
# [11:41] <mak> ah, win x64 :/
# [11:41] <mak> it's not even in graphs
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# [11:44] <NeilAway> newn: well, the background colour won't have an effect, because the contents have their own background colour
# [11:45] <NeilAway> newn: and the border radius won't be visible because the content is a scrolled area and we don't clip that to the border (yet?)
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# [11:47] <db48x> mck182: anyway, what you want to do is fairly straightforward
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# [11:47] <db48x> add a scriptable object to your plugin, add a method to it
# [11:47] <db48x> method takes a string and runs the program
# [11:47] <mak> edmorley: the fact is that: inbound doesn't have win64 talos, graph doesn't have them as well
# [11:48] <mck182> db48x: sounds easy
# [11:48] <mck182> db48x: I'm looking for a way how to access the downloads list/current download
# [11:48] <db48x> you can do that in JS in your extension, at least in Firefox
# [11:48] <mck182> \o/
# [11:49] <db48x> Chrome won't let you near that info though
# [11:49] <mck182> oh
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# [11:51] <db48x> yea
# [11:51] <mck182> alright, I'll try to get it running in firefox first
# [11:51] <mck182> then will poke the chrome devs
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# [11:52] <edmorley> mak: good luck to us tracking it down then heh
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# [11:53] <mak> edmorley: we should file a bug to get those talos in inbound
# [11:54] <edmorley> mak: are there even enough win64 machines for that?
# [11:54] <edmorley> it's not tier 1
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# [11:54] <Yoric> !seen jorendorff
# [11:54] <mak> then it should not report regressions
# [11:54] <firebot> jorendorff was last seen 36 hours, 49 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying 'faucet i mean' in #jsapi.
# [11:55] <mak> edmorley: though I think we should figure out these regressions, may be something real that also affects other platforms, in some fancy way
# [11:55] <edmorley> indeed
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# [11:58] <NeilAway> is const { Cu } = require("chrome"); even valid JS?
# [11:59] <mak> there is an harfbuzz update, jit hardening, nspr,
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# [12:03] <mak> I suppose the only way is to make locally win64 builds and run the test
# [12:04] <mak> provided standalone talos has dromaeo(v8)
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# [12:07] <edmorley> yeah try doesn't run talos on win64 either, not overly helpful
# [12:08] <edmorley> or else download the inbound tinderbox builds and I run the test locally on my win64 machine
# [12:08] <edmorley> will at least save compilation time
# [12:08] <mak> hm that's a nice idea
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# [12:09] * mak tries how much time does it take for a win64 opt build
# [12:09] <edmorley> I'm going to merge inbound from 2ffb4e09ac4a and then do that
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# [12:11] <edmorley> x86 incremental builds still take 20-30mins for me normally (\o/ no c-cache for windows), so tidnerbox builds it is :-)
# [12:12] <mak> looks like I can't compile ctypes
# [12:12] <Yoric> mak: on win64?
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# [12:12] <mak> yes
# [12:12] <mak> with pymake, I mean
# [12:12] <Yoric> Works for me.
# [12:12] <Yoric> Well, I pulled yesterday.
# [12:12] <Yoric> But worked for me.
# [12:13] <Yoric> With pymake.
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# [12:13] <mak> with -JN?
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# [12:14] <mak> Yoric: did you make a win64 build or the usual win32 build?
# [12:14] <Yoric> Ah, sorry, that was the usual win32 build on a win64 platform.
# [12:14] <Yoric> With -J something.
# [12:15] <mak> yes, I can make those , I can't make the win64 build
# [12:15] <Yoric> Sorry for the noise.
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# [12:16] <db48x> NeilAway: yep
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# [12:16] <db48x> it's a destructuring assignment
# [12:16] <db48x> makes a const variable Cu whose value is equal to the Cu property of the object returned by require("chrome")
# [12:16] <mak> I should probably upgrade the win sdk to 7.1
# [12:16] <Yoric> db48x: Perhaps you can explain something to me.
# [12:17] <Yoric> What does the following mean:
# [12:17] <Yoric> const {a, b} = {1, 2}
# [12:17] <Yoric> const {a, b} = {foo:1, bar:2}
# [12:17] <Yoric> I meant
# [12:17] <Yoric> And I mean, how does it decide that |a| is |1| an |b| is |2| and not the opposite.
# [12:17] <Yoric> ?
# [12:17] <db48x> it doesn't
# [12:17] <db48x> there's no a property in that object, so a is still undefined
# [12:18] <Yoric> Ah, so this is |a = anonymous.a|?
# [12:18] <db48x> (but not a reference error)
# [12:18] <db48x> yes
# [12:18] <Yoric> Ok, now it makes more sense.
# [12:18] <Yoric> Next step: pattern-matching in JS :)
# [12:18] <db48x> yea :)
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# [12:20] <db48x> fruit rarely make sounds
# [12:21] <Yoric> You would think so.
# [12:22] <Yoric> That's until you meet the http://killertomatoes.com
# [12:22] <db48x> heh
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# [12:23] <edmorley> mak: ftp is so slow :-(
# [12:23] <edmorley> presume chemspill issues
# [12:24] <edmorley> s/issues/related/
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# [12:25] <Ms2ger> ddahl, looking at your patches are an excellent way to procrastinate :)
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# [12:26] <Ms2ger> are? is
# [12:27] <Yoric> No, "are+"
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# [12:29] <mak> nice, mozilla-build immediately got the updated SDK :)
# [12:30] <mak> it still can't build the crashreporter
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# [12:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f88a05e00f47 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 726656 - fix optimizejars.py to optimize omni.ja; r=khuey
# [12:48] <NeilAway> db48x: ah, so it's shorthand for const { "Cu": cu } = ... ?
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# [12:50] <BoBsoN> hello. there was some changes in 2D context for <canvas>? Im trying to use mozPathText() and mozTextAlongPath(), but FF claim that there is no such function
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# [12:52] <db48x> NeilAway: or shorthand for const { Cu: Cu } = ...
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# [12:53] <NeilAway> db48x: yeah, typo, sorry
# [12:53] <db48x> but yea
# [12:53] <db48x> less typing
# [12:53] <db48x> same result
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# [12:57] <Ms2ger> BoBsoN, I believe they were removed in favour of the standard API
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# [12:59] <db48x> time to sleep
# [13:00] <mak> doing a require just to defin Cu sounds a bit too much to me :)
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# [13:02] <mak> and the example seems to use in on an array, that is something we always suggested to avoid :)
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# [13:25] <dao> bz_sleep: you asked me to ping you when I land bug 588909. I'm about to land it now
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# [13:31] <Callek> glandium: pong?
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# [13:38] <mak> Standard8: I'm not sure why but lately thunderbird replaces all my bugmail contents with a single mail... So I have like 300 mails that all report the same content :(
# [13:39] <mak> it's the 4th time it happens
# [13:39] <Ms2ger> gerv, do we already have a gsoc page up?
# [13:39] <edmorley> mak: ouch
# [13:39] <gerv> Ms2ger: Yes.
# [13:39] <gerv> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode12:Brainstorming
# [13:39] <Ms2ger> Thanks
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# [13:40] <mak> Standard8: I suspect my gloda db is corrupt since I see many gloda errors in the console
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# [13:51] <mak> Standard8: doing a repair folder, all the emails disappear and are lost
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# [13:53] <glandium> Callek: is there going to be a seamonkey release today?
# [13:54] <Callek> glandium: yes
# [13:54] <glandium> Callek: ok, thanks
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# [13:57] <glandium> Callek: btw, do you want me to land 728136 or you'll do it?
# [13:57] <Callek> glandium: easier for me if you do, but I *can*
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# [13:58] <glandium> Callek: i'll land it, then
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# [14:16] <denisATeukrea> hi, I've that Makefile: http://pastie.org/private/8btzx8ogr1avgm5k9ctng how can I tell it to build using NATIVE_CC ?
# [14:17] <denisATeukrea> it's part of nss/cmd/shlibsign/Makefile
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# [14:21] <NeilAway> sigh, so the arrow click scrolls by three lines, but the key scrolls by two lines...
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# [14:41] <denisATeukrea> hi,
# [14:41] <denisATeukrea> I've now succedded to compile shlibsign
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# [14:41] <denisATeukrea> but....
# [14:41] <denisATeukrea> It segfault
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# [14:41] <denisATeukrea> so I supose that it doesn't recognize arm libs
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# [14:48] <deLta30> mounir: ping
# [14:48] <mounir> deLta30: pong
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# [14:49] <deLta30> mounir: I trying to understand what should be done in bug 598244
# [14:50] <deLta30> it looks like to me that everything has been added in bug 598236
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# [14:53] <mounir> deLta30: I think you could use nsHTMLInputElement::GetFilterFromAccept instead of ParseAcceptAttribute in nsFileControlFrame.cpp
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# [14:53] <mounir> basically, the logic in CapturePickerAcceptCallback could be done using the return value of GetFilterFromAccept
# [14:54] <deLta30> mounir: so what is needed to be done in 598244?
# [14:54] <Ms2ger> I guess I should look at mounir's patch
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# [14:55] <mounir> deLta30: what I just told ;)
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# [14:56] <mounir> Ms2ger: plz, do my review :)
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# [14:57] <deLta30> mounir: ParseAcceptAttribute has been used only once else where, here, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/forms/nsFileControlFrame.cpp#294
# [14:57] <mounir> deLta30: and you should use nsHTMLInputElement::GetFilterFromAccept instead
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# [14:58] <deLta30> ok, i thought since both are in the same file, it's not necessary
# [14:58] <mounir> deLta30: they are not
# [14:59] <deLta30> no, I meant ParseAcceptAttribute and the link that i just gave you
# [14:59] <mounir> deLta30: oh inded
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# [14:59] <mounir> but the issue is that ParseAcceptAttribute has some content logic
# [14:59] <mounir> while nsFileControlFrame should only deal with the layout
# [14:59] <mounir> the idea of this bug is to make sure the logic is where it should be
# [15:00] <mounir> In other words, if we want to change the content logic, we might not check nsFileControlFrame.cpp because it *should* be only in nsHTMLInputElement.cpp
# [15:00] <deLta30> ok, then it's necessary
# [15:01] <deLta30> I just couldn't get the necessity of the bug, now i do :)
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# [15:02] <mounir> deLta30: there is functionnality behind that, it's pure cleanup
# [15:02] <mounir> shouldn't be hard to do though
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# [15:02] <mounir> and a good way to discover how things work
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# [15:03] <deLta30> yeah, I will be asking you if I have any further doubt
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# [15:04] <mounir> feel free to do that :)
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# [15:09] <Ms2ger> mounir, there you go
# [15:09] <heeen> lol. through the magic of UPS and the german customs I now know the exact price of one mozilla 2012 sweater :D
# [15:09] <mounir> Ms2ger: thanks dude :)
# [15:10] <heeen> as stated by the manufacturer
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# [15:18] <surkov> who know how to detect whether hardware acceleration is turned on or off inside Gecko? Is it a pref or some interface?
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# [15:20] <@smaug> Bas: ^
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# [15:22] <Archaeopteryx> surkov: about:support > Graphics
# [15:23] <edmorley> mak: re dev.tree-management thread, ftp too slow at the moment, so going to have another go later
# [15:23] <surkov> Archaeopteryx: I need API to use it inside Gecko (a11y module)
# [15:24] <surkov> so I can expose that information via accessibility APIs
# [15:24] <Archaeopteryx> surkov: is accessing gfx.direct2d.disabled and gfx.font_rendering.directwrite.enabled sufficient?
# [15:24] <surkov> maybe, that's what I'm asking :)
# [15:24] <mrbkap> edmorley: If I checked in a bunch of patches with the wrong bug #, what's the right thing to do? Backout and try again?
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# [15:25] <edmorley> mrbkap: yeah if that's ok - so hg blame later on isn't confusing
# [15:25] <surkov> Archaeopteryx: I'll take a look at those, thanks!
# [15:25] <edmorley> mrbkap: mak's script makes the mass backout fairly quick, or I can do it for you?
# [15:26] <edmorley> mrbkap: presume dbcd8d8bed76:67b6c09fb30f ?
# [15:26] <mrbkap> edmorley: yeah.
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# [15:30] <espindola> armenzg, now that the places db bug is fixed I am building new images on 10.7
# [15:31] <mak> which bug?
# [15:31] <espindola> they should show up http://people.mozilla.org/~respindola/builds/new/
# [15:31] <espindola> mak, the spin the loop one
# [15:31] <mak> was it blocking 10.7?
# [15:31] <armenzg> espindola: would you like me to test them when they are done?
# [15:31] * mak misses part of the context
# [15:31] <espindola> for some really strange reason the build done on 10.7 was hitting a bug I could not reproduce
# [15:32] <armenzg> I have my hands full today but I can on Monday
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# [15:32] <espindola> but looked a lot like the other problems with places
# [15:32] <armenzg> do you want to re-open the bug? or should I/
# [15:32] <armenzg> ?
# [15:32] <espindola> * one Run method creates another
# [15:32] <espindola> * the second class leaks
# [15:33] <espindola> armenzg, I was planning on just using 725126
# [15:33] <espindola> Monday should be fine. It is a vm, so the 3 build will be done sometime this afternoon :-(
# [15:35] <denisATeukrea> shlibsign segfault
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# [15:36] <denisATeukrea> what should I do?
# [15:36] <denisATeukrea> I've done quite some work for beeing able to cross compile nss
# [15:37] <denisATeukrea> I used NATIVE_CC trick to make shlibsign not cross compile
# [15:37] <denisATeukrea> but it segfault while running in the nspr lib
# [15:37] <denisATeukrea> I've tried to make it link against another nspr lib
# [15:37] <denisATeukrea> but still....
# [15:37] <denisATeukrea> it didn't link
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# [15:37] <denisATeukrea> it linked against my system libs
# [15:37] <denisATeukrea> and it still segfault
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# [15:38] <denisATeukrea> #0 0xb7f9277f in PR_FindSymbol () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
# [15:38] <denisATeukrea> #1 0xb7f927d3 in PR_FindFunctionSymbol () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
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# [15:38] <denisATeukrea> I'll install the -dbg packages
# [15:38] <armenzg> espindola: sure
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# [15:45] <sid0> why would my default zoom level be one scroll wheel notch above normal?
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# [15:46] <sid0> one of my profiles seems to have this behaviour
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# [15:46] <sid0> actually, two notches above normal
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# [15:54] <Matti> edmorley: ping
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# [15:54] <edmorley> Matti: hi :-)
# [15:54] <Matti> edmorley: hi ! short question:; is bug 724465 only checked into the trunk or also in 12 ?
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# [15:56] <edmorley> Matti: just 13 at the moment, you would need to request aurora approval on the patch to get it landed on 12
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# [15:57] <Matti> edmorley: is that aproval flag on the attachment ?
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# [15:57] <edmorley> yeah
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# [15:58] <Matti> thank you !
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# [15:58] <Matti> i will wait until i can test the fix in a nightly
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# [16:06] <edmorley> Matti: np :-)
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# [16:10] <@smaug> mak: do you happen to know anything about nsITransaction usage in places?
# [16:10] <mak> smaug: yes, we use the transaction manager in the ui
# [16:11] <@smaug> since looks like jst got a cc log where JS implemented nsITransaction object keeps a whole browser.xul document alive
# [16:12] <@smaug> mak: what keeps the transaction manager alive?
# [16:12] <mak> it's a lazygetter in PlacesUtils module
# [16:12] <mak> all the transactions are defined in PlacesUtils.jsm
# [16:12] <@smaug> is placesutils a service ?
# [16:13] <mak> no it's a module
# [16:13] <mak> search for //// Transactions handlers.
# [16:13] <mak> from there on there are all the transactions objects
# [16:14] <@smaug> ok, thanks
# [16:14] <mak> it's possible some transaction keeps alive a places node that keeps alive a dom element
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# [16:14] <mak> that code needs some cleanup fwiw
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# [16:15] <@smaug> mak: yeah, that looks like the case here. transaction keeping a dom element alive
# [16:15] <@smaug> which ends up keeping lots of other stuff alive
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# [16:16] <mak> it's plausible, though transactions should only store data of a node, not the whole node
# [16:16] <mak> so sounds like a bug
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# [16:21] <@smaug> mak: what is aContainer in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/places/PlacesUtils.jsm#2483 ?
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# [16:22] <mak> should be the itemId of a container node (and not the container node). should actually be renamed to aContainerId
# [16:22] <@smaug> ok
# [16:22] <mak> (funny that the javadoc is correct there!)
# [16:23] <@smaug> o
# [16:23] <@smaug> I didn't look at the comments :)
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# [16:27] <mounir> sicking: ping
# [16:27] <mounir> sicking: you around?
# [16:27] <sicking> mounir: yeah, about to head in
# [16:27] <mounir> sicking: you sleeper!
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# [16:40] <@bz> sicking: seen my comment on the XHR status bug?
# [16:41] <drice> Honza: ping (RE https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621446 causing build issues)
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# [16:42] <Honza> drice: You want to talk to mayhemer (Honza Bambas)
# [16:42] <drice> Sorry!
# [16:42] <Honza> drice: np
# [16:43] <Ms2ger> Honza, why do you have to have such a common name?! :)
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# [16:43] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, . . . what did I do that rocks, exactly?
# [16:43] <Honza> Ms2ger: yeah ;-) (it's common in Czech Republic)
# [16:44] <Ms2ger> I enjoyed your interventions on www-style
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# [16:44] <drice> I found further links of others discussing my problem anyway.
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# [16:45] <Ms2ger> 4 files changed, 99 insertions(+), 363 deletions(-)
# [16:45] <Ms2ger> \o/
# [16:45] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: ?!
# [16:45] <Ms2ger> content/canvas/src/CustomQS_WebGL.h | 287 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
# [16:46] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, oh. Okay.
# [16:46] <@bz> hmm?
# [16:46] <Ms2ger> Oh, and in general, of course ;)
# [16:46] <@bz> what'd you do to it?
# [16:46] <Ms2ger> content/canvas/src/WebGLContextGL.cpp | 128 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--------------
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# [16:49] <@smaug> mak: what scriptblocker are you talking about in Bug 728197 ?
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# [16:50] <mak> smaug: I think we have a ScriptBlocker object that can pause all the scripts on the page till it's destroyed
# [16:50] <@khuey> we do?
# [16:50] <@smaug> we do?
# [16:50] <mak> not sure, I thought so
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# [16:51] <@khuey> we have script blockers which say "don't allow scripts to run during this small part of code where it's not safe"
# [16:51] <mak> maybe I just misinterpreted its name
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# [16:51] <@smaug> for example spinning event loop inside scriptblocker is certainly not allowed
# [16:52] <mak> mdn doesn't help on those
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# [16:53] <@smaug> look at the source code :)
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# [16:53] <@smaug> I wouldn't imagine mdn to document stuff like scriptblocker
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# [16:54] <mak> I wouldn't imagine the source code to document it as well :p
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# [16:55] <mak> indeed, looks like the only way is to follow all the code. looks like they disallow adding new scriptrunners
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# [16:56] <mak> that are enqueued to run later
# [16:56] <mak> should be called scriptRunnersBlocker :)
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# [16:59] <@smaug> mak: not blocker
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# [16:59] <mak> Enqueuer
# [16:59] <@bz> scriptblockerrunner
# [16:59] <@bz> scriptRunnerInTheBlocks
# [16:59] <@smaug> something like scriptrunnerpostponer :)
# [16:59] <@bz> scriptrunnerdelayer
# [16:59] <@bz> scriptwalker?
# [16:59] <mak> whatever, there is no documentation anywhere :)
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# [17:00] <mak> scriptwalker sounds like a whiskey
# [17:00] <@bz> in the mind of the beholder
# [17:00] <@bz> scriptcrawler?
# [17:00] <@bz> scripthopskipandjumper
# [17:00] <@smaug> there is documentation in nsContentUtils
# [17:02] <mrbkap> bz: now the script is wearing clothing?
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# [17:02] <mak> I am in the cpp but can't see anything, maybe in the header. regardless mxr stopped responding
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# [17:04] <@bz> mrbkap: hmm?
# [17:04] <@bz> mrbkap: scripts are like emperors
# [17:05] <@smaug> ahaa, adding bookmarks causes runtime leaks
# [17:05] <sheppy> bz: walking around naked because someone has tricked them into thinking they have magic clothes?
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# [17:05] <@bz> sheppy: more or less
# [17:05] <sheppy> bz: ok
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# [17:07] <mak> smaug: what does runtime leaks mean? adding a bookmark to a folder (on toolbar or a menu) will consume resources till shutdown, folders are kept open
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# [17:09] <@khuey> ehsan: ping?
# [17:09] <@ehsan> khuey: hi
# [17:09] <@khuey> ehsan: whatever happened to mandatory aslr?
# [17:10] <@ehsan> khuey: I didn't have cycles to work on it, and nobody else did either :(
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# [17:10] <@khuey> ehsan: why did we back it out again?
# [17:11] <@ehsan> khuey: it was causing crashes
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# [17:12] <@khuey> hmm
# [17:12] <@khuey> ok
# [17:12] <@khuey> ehsan: with random third party stuff?
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# [17:13] <@smaug> mak: I mean, the nsITransaction object keeps a whole document alive
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# [17:14] <@smaug> mak: and this is a case cycle collector can't really optimize out, cycle collection times increase significantly
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# [17:14] <@smaug> it basically tries to find the cycle each time, but there is one unknown edge so it can't release anything
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# [17:15] <@khuey> is it an unknown native edge or an unknown GC edge?
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# [17:16] <jhermans> I have a question : what should a browser do when it receives a TCP RST as an answer to a HTTP-request (e.g connection refused) ? Will it retry the request, or put up some kind of warning on the screen ?
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# [17:17] <jhermans> I have seen both implementations, and it seems to be that a well-behaving browser might retry the request. But older versions won't do it.
# [17:18] <@ehsan> khuey: I think it was an office DLL or something
# [17:18] <@smaug> khuey: something is keeping wrappedJS alive
# [17:18] <@smaug> that something is probably transactionmanager
# [17:19] <@khuey> smaug: the wrappedjs of the nsITransaction?
# [17:20] <@smaug> khuey: I mean, nsITransation is implemented by JS
# [17:20] <@smaug> which places code does
# [17:20] <@smaug> nsITransaction even
# [17:20] <@khuey> smaug: right, so can't you use the gc log to see what in the nsITransaction is rooting the doc?
# [17:20] <@bsmedberg> holy crap, I've been wanting this code for years! http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2012/02/17/10268840.aspx
# [17:22] <ferongr> slow clap for jlebar's comments in bug 728227
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# [17:22] <@smaug> khuey: I could try to look at CC log too
# [17:22] <@smaug> khuey: I just found the problem. Haven't had time to look at it more
# [17:22] <jlebar> ferongr, I'm going to get smacked down, don't worry.
# [17:22] <@smaug> khuey: jst just sent a CC log, which looked strange
# [17:23] <jlebar> ferongr, I'm so frustrated by this!
# [17:23] <@ted> bsmedberg: ooh, that's neat
# [17:23] <@khuey> smaug: ah, in a debug build you can get a GC log too
# [17:23] <@bsmedberg> ted: now I can finally implement "kill the dead Firefox holding the profile lock" functionality!
# [17:23] <@khuey> smaug: and you can follow that right back to the source
# [17:23] <@smaug> sure
# [17:23] * @bsmedberg is gleeful
# [17:23] <@khuey> jlebar: :-D
# [17:23] <mconley> Unfocused: ping
# [17:24] <@smaug> khuey: I just don't have good tools to analyze GC log
# [17:24] <@khuey> smaug: mccr8's tools are great
# [17:24] <@smaug> my about:cc works reasonable well for CC
# [17:24] <@khuey> for tracing back to roots
# [17:24] <@ted> bsmedberg: nice!
# [17:25] <@smaug> khuey: I actually thought his tools are for CC only
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# [17:25] <@bsmedberg> mconley: I'd be very surprised if Unfocused were awake now.
# [17:25] <mconley> bsmedberg: thought I'd try my luck. :)
# [17:25] <@khuey> smaug: nope, there's a set of gc tools in there too
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# [17:27] <mak> smaug: so, how can I reproduce this in a debug build?
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# [17:28] <mak> just with that addon?
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# [17:29] <@smaug> mak: no need for any addon
# [17:29] <@smaug> just create cclog and you'll find nsITransaction
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# [17:29] <@khuey> ehsan: so, as an intermediate step
# [17:30] <@khuey> ehsan: what do you think of just refusing to load xpcom components that don't do aslr?
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# [17:30] <@smaug> mak: in the cclog you'll find nsDocument object which has browser.xul as url
# [17:31] <jlebar> khuey, It's like, why bother fixing leaks if we'll just let any third-party install whatever code they want into Firefox?
# [17:31] <jlebar> khuey, It's baffling to me that this process is defended.
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# [17:31] <@khuey> jlebar: well, I understand why addon authors defend it ;-)
# [17:32] <jlebar> khuey, Sure.
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# [17:32] <jlebar> khuey, But people on our side?
# [17:32] <@khuey> jlebar: but yeah, I totally agree
# [17:32] <@ted> it's a difficult thing
# [17:33] <@khuey> is it really?
# [17:33] <@khuey> honestly, I think addons that don't go through the AMO process are a liability to us
# [17:33] <jlebar> I was waiting for ted to finish, but perhaps that was the entirety of his statement.
# [17:33] <@khuey> :-D
# [17:33] <@ted> well, we can probably coerce companies like mcaffe to play along
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# [17:34] <Ms2ger> khuey, maybe you want to work on iOS? :)
# [17:34] <@ted> but there's plenty of gray-market borderline-malware etc that is never going to comply
# [17:34] <jlebar> ted, Great, so we block them.
# [17:34] <@ted> and they'll just do whatever they have to do to hook into firefox and work around our restrictions
# [17:34] <@ted> it's impossible
# [17:34] <jlebar> ted, Have you seen the way we hook jemalloc in on Windows?
# [17:34] <@khuey> at this point I'd rather raise the bar for them and at least make them work for it
# [17:34] <jlebar> ted, I do not believe in impossible.
# [17:34] <@ted> i do
# [17:34] <jlebar> * after seeing that.
# [17:34] <@khuey> jlebar: it's actually not that insane now
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# [17:35] <jlebar> ted, No, your point is fair. But because we think it's impossible to get a 100% fix doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
# [17:35] <@ted> i guess
# [17:35] <@ted> i dunno
# [17:35] <@khuey> jlebar: so, a really interesting question is whether this mcafee thing is holding onto windows or whatever from js or C++
# [17:35] <@khuey> from js we might be able to take countermeasures
# [17:35] <@ted> it would be nice to see if there's a carrot approach instead of a stick
# [17:35] <@ted> i agree that we ought to be able to block crap like this more quickly
# [17:36] <@ted> it's hurting firefox users
# [17:36] <@ted> but i also don't want us to be a gatekeeper
# [17:36] <jlebar> ted, We also ought to do QA on it, which we don't.
# [17:36] <@ted> right
# [17:36] <jlebar> ted, But we're already the gatekeeper for all of AMO.
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# [17:36] <@ted> sure, because that's our addon host
# [17:36] <@khuey> why shouldn't we be a gatekeeper?
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# [17:36] <mak> smaug: hm, so I should see something in the gc-edges file? or am I looking at the wrong log?
# [17:37] <Ms2ger> Because we're not going for the walled garden?
# [17:37] <@ted> do you agree with apple's mountain lion changes?
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# [17:37] <@ted> because i find them distasteful, even if i understand their rationale
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# [17:37] <jlebar> ted, This is only about add-ons that someone installs on behalf of the user.
# [17:37] <jlebar> ted, If I want to go off AMO and install something, go for it.
# [17:37] <@ted> so not user-initiated installs?
# [17:37] <@ted> okay
# [17:37] <jlebar> ted, yes.
# [17:37] <@ted> that's less bad
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# [17:38] <@khuey> ted: it's also worth noting that applications on mac run under a sane security model
# [17:38] <@khuey> ted: they're not allowed to crash the kernel, for instance
# [17:38] <sicking> bz: you pang
# [17:38] <@khuey> whereas firefox addons are totally allowed to bring down the whole broser
# [17:38] <@ted> true
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# [17:38] <@khuey> *browser
# [17:38] <jlebar> khuey, although to be fair, you can forkbomb from user-space.
# [17:38] <@khuey> jlebar: sure
# [17:38] <jlebar> khuey, There are ways to DoS without crashing the kernel.
# [17:39] <@khuey> right
# [17:39] <@ted> i have a friend on twitter who keeps complaining about 1password making his chrome unusable
# [17:39] <@khuey> but I think for our purposes
# [17:39] <@ted> but perhaps chrome at least gives him the tools to find that out
# [17:39] <@khuey> firefox addons are effectively "kernel-mode" software
# [17:39] <jlebar> khuey, agreed.
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# [17:39] <jlebar> khuey, It's easy to *accidentally* cause problems.
# [17:39] <@khuey> sure
# [17:40] <@khuey> I don't think addon authors set out to write an addon that leaks a ton of memory
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# [17:40] <@khuey> but this shit is hard to get right
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# [17:40] <@smaug> mak: cc edges file
# [17:41] <@khuey> bsmedberg: where is the code that loads binary components?
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# [17:42] <@khuey> nsNativeComponentLoader.cpp sounds promising
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# [17:43] <mak> smaug: ah ok, I see. I have a suspect, PlacesUtils.tagging.getTagsForURI
# [17:44] <@bsmedberg> khuey: indeed
# [17:44] <@bsmedberg> khuey: have you got a more specific question?
# [17:45] * @bsmedberg knows binary component loading in way more detail than is healthy
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# [17:45] <@khuey> bsmedberg: heh
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# [17:46] <@khuey> bsmedberg: I want to get at the DLL image during component load
# [17:46] <@smaug> mak: so, the JSobject keeps window object alive
# [17:46] <@khuey> it looks like we use a bunch of PR_Crap here though
# [17:46] <mak> smaug: I
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# [17:46] <mak> smaug: sorry. I'll check if I can find something
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# [17:46] <@bsmedberg> khuey: yes we do... is this for perf or something else?
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# [17:47] <@bsmedberg> it's not hard to skip NSPR on just windows if we need to
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# [17:47] <@khuey> bsmedberg: I want to disallow loading XPCOM components on windows that don't do ASLR
# [17:47] <@bsmedberg> just XPCOM components, not everything...
# [17:47] <@khuey> right
# [17:47] <@khuey> everything is hard :-)
# [17:47] <@bsmedberg> that seems relatively easy but also probably not that useful
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# [17:48] <mak> smaug: is there some too to parse this cc-edges file?
# [17:49] <mak> some tool
# [17:49] <@bz> sicking: you still there?
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# [17:49] <@khuey> mak: mccr8 has tools
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# [17:49] <@bz> sicking: I asked whether you saw the XHR GetStatus bug
# [17:49] <@bz> Ah, yes you did
# [17:49] <@smaug> mak: yeah, mccr8 has tools, and I have too
# [17:49] <@khuey> bsmedberg: jlebar and I are on a quest to stop addon authors from doing bad things
# [17:50] <@khuey> and this seems like a good place to start
# [17:50] <mak> smaug: cause I'm not sure from this log how I can tell the problem is the nsITransaction
# [17:50] <sicking> bz: yup. I think we fixed .status/.statusText fairly recently
# [17:50] <@bz> sicking: one sec
# [17:50] <@bz> sicking: nope
# [17:50] <@khuey> bsmedberg: it looks like I just need to replace nsLocalFileWin::Load with my stuff?
# [17:51] <@bz> sicking: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/tip/content/base/src/nsXMLHttpRequest.cpp#l1215
# [17:51] <@bz> sicking: still checks for >= LOADING
# [17:51] <sicking> bz: sure, but not to throw
# [17:51] <@bz> uh...
# [17:51] <@bz> if < LOADING, it throws
# [17:51] <@bz> oh, wait
# [17:51] <@bz> I see
# [17:51] <@bz> hmm
# [17:51] <@bsmedberg> khuey: well, you still need to end up with a PRLibrary if you modify that
# [17:52] <@bz> one sec
# [17:52] <@bz> maybe my builds are all old?
# [17:52] <@khuey> bsmedberg: mmm
# [17:52] <@bsmedberg> khuey: and that will affect most or all DLL loads, which might cause problems with plugins
# [17:52] * @bsmedberg doesn't think we use nsLocalFile for plugins, though
# [17:52] <@khuey> bsmedberg: ok, so I should probably just do something different in the native component loader then
# [17:52] <@bsmedberg> yeah, that seems easiest
# [17:52] <@khuey> k
# [17:52] <sicking> bz: or we return something other than NOT_AVAILBLE
# [17:52] <@bz> "Bug 726777. r=sicking "
# [17:52] <@bz> That's close to worst checkin comment ever. :(
# [17:53] <sicking> bz: i think the code would be safer by checking readystate first, rather than relying on specific error code
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# [17:53] <Ms2ger> Pff
# [17:53] <@khuey> could be worse
# [17:53] <@khuey> the bug # could be wrong
# [17:53] <Ms2ger> Like "merge branch"
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# [17:53] <@bz> khuey: sure
# [17:53] * @bz understands why it's the way it is; it's just unfortunate
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# [17:53] <Ms2ger> "Land whatever these seven guys wrote in the last 5 months"
# [17:54] <@khuey> Ms2ger: just wait until we do that with dom-bindings
# [17:54] <Ms2ger> Hah
# [17:54] <@bz> hmm
# [17:54] <@bz> this must have been a recent change
# [17:54] <Ms2ger> I hope that won't be 5 months!
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# [17:54] <@bz> but I don't see it in the log?
# [17:54] <@bz> oh
# [17:54] <@bz> no
# [17:55] <@bz> this code is still throwing
# [17:55] <@bz> sicking: ^
# [17:55] <sicking> bz: that sucks :(
# [17:55] <sicking> bz: i guess we never checked in such a fix, just talked about it
# [17:55] <@bz> sicking: that seems plausible
# [17:55] <@bz> sicking: I'll review!
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# [17:55] <sicking> bz: heh
# [17:56] <sicking> ok
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# [17:56] <gavin> khuey: "this is a better patch" without any details? come on! :)
# [17:57] <mrbkap> gavin: it's an exercise for the reviewer.
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# [17:57] <Ms2ger> mrbkap, r-
# [17:58] <@khuey> gavin: it actually compiles on gcc
# [17:58] <@khuey> that's the improvement
# [17:58] <@khuey> or should, at least
# [17:58] <@khuey> I didn't actually check
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# [17:58] <jwatt> lol
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# [18:03] <@smaug> mak: is the transactionmanager global ?
# [18:03] <@smaug> I mean the transaction manager which places use
# [18:03] <mak> yes, we only use one instance
# [18:03] <mak> I think you also filed a bug about that
# [18:03] <mak> cause we use getservice
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# [18:04] <@smaug> oh
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# [18:05] <@smaug> indeed I did file such bug
# [18:05] <@smaug> had totally forgotten that
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# [18:05] <NeilAway> sid0: content prefs?
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# [18:06] <@smaug> mak: but even if it wasn't a service, would places use just one instance of transaction manager?
# [18:06] <mak> smaug: yes, cause even if I close a browser window I still should be able to undo bookmarks changes
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# [18:07] <@smaug> right
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# [18:09] <@smaug> this setup is just very leak-prone
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# [18:09] <@smaug> looks like _uri keeps window alive
# [18:09] <@smaug> at least _uri
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# [18:09] <@smaug> its wrapper keeps window alive
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# [18:11] <mak> we had similar issues with arrays (notice the various slice() there)
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# [18:20] <ferongr> is Mutation Observer support in trunk?
# [18:20] <ferongr> (MozMutationObserver)
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# [18:21] <@smaug> ferongr: no
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# [18:21] <@smaug> blame me
# [18:22] <ferongr> is implementation tracked in bugzilla? If there is, paste me a bug #, pretty please
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# [18:23] <ferongr> (my bugzilla-search-fu is weak)
# [18:23] <@smaug> ferongr: bug 641821
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# [18:24] <ferongr> thanks
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# [18:24] <jlebar> ferongr, You might want to try searching google next time: www.google.com/search?q=site%3Abugzilla.mozilla.org+mozmutationobserver
# [18:24] <jlebar> ferongr, sixth hit.
# [18:24] <jlebar> ferongr, So much better than bugzilla search. :)
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# [18:26] * @smaug hopes adding support for mutationobserver will not lead to every web site start using it
# [18:26] <@khuey> heh
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# [18:27] <@smaug> I almost regret adding support for mouseenter/leave
# [18:28] <@smaug> mouseenter/leave and mutationobserver are useful features, but should be used only when really needed
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# [18:37] <mbrubeck> smaug: Speaking of which, I hear B2G is interested in using touchenter/touchleave for implementing their on-screen keyboard...
# [18:38] <mbrubeck> smaug: I think we'll either need to implement those, or add some sort of "currentTarget" attribute in touchmove events
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# [18:39] <@smaug> mbrubeck: currentTarget may get a bit tricky when there are iframes involved
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# [18:40] <@smaug> I wonder why elementFromPoint isn't enough for them, or is it too slow
# [18:40] <wesj> smaug: i didn't ask about that (I forgot it was exposed to web content)
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# [18:44] <philipp64|laptop> hi. running TB 10.0.1 on Mac OS 10.7.3... and it's pegging my CPUs at nearly 100%. is this a known issue?
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# [18:46] <mbrubeck> philipp64|laptop: I don't think so. Maybe check in #maildev and see if there's any debugging they suggest?
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# [18:47] <philipp64|laptop> they said ask on #developers about 'shark'...
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# [18:48] <mak> smaug: so, I have a local change that forces _uri being a copy and I can only find a single nsDocument pointing to about:blank now.
# [18:48] <@smaug> philipp64|laptop: yeah, you could perhaps run shark
# [18:48] <@smaug> mak: awesome !
# [18:48] <@smaug> about:blanks are usually harmless
# [18:49] <@smaug> they are tiny, and temporary
# [18:49] <mak> I could probably refactor this thing a bit so it enforces copying
# [18:49] <mak> and you may test the patch, since I'm not yet sure I can read this logs so well
# [18:50] <mbrubeck> philipp64|laptop: I'm not on a Mac myself, but there are some docs at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Performance/Profiling_with_Shark and https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Performance/Profiling_JavaScript_with_Shark
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# [18:50] <@smaug> mak: if you could upload the patch
# [18:51] <mak> smaug: well the current patch is mostly an hack, I would like to make it a bit better
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# [18:54] <@smaug> mak: well, I could test the hack :)
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# [18:56] <mak> smaug: attached
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# [18:59] <mak> if you confirm it works, I'll make a proper patch
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# [19:00] <@smaug> mak: just compiling. takes few minutes before I can confirm
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# [19:04] <evilpie> some malware is blocking access to certain pages on my computer, what is the best place for a breakpoint in firefox?
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# [19:06] <@bz> hrm
# [19:07] <@bz> gavin: ping
# [19:07] <gavin> bz: pong
# [19:07] <@bz> gavin: so I have a bookmark keyword for a javascript: URI
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# [19:08] <@bz> gavin: are those expected to work, in general?
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# [19:08] <gavin> yes
# [19:08] <@bz> gavin: it fails if the currently open page is about:newtab, as far as I can tell
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# [19:08] <gavin> (bug 658220)
# [19:08] <gavin> "fails" how?
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# [19:09] <@bz> well, the obvious symptom is "the right thing doesn't load"
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# [19:09] <@bz> the javascript computes a URI and then tries to load it
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# [19:09] <dholbert> evilpie, nsDocShell::LoadURI might be a good spot
# [19:09] <@bz> lemme create a test bookmark to see whether the script runs at all
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# [19:09] <@bz> but chances are, this is being affected by the "don't inherit principal from system stuff" patch, I'd think
# [19:09] <dholbert> evilpie, (though I think that might be earlier than you want)
# [19:10] <@bz> though....
# [19:10] <@bz> this is a Feb 7 nightly
# [19:10] <@bz> so predates that, right?
# [19:10] <evilpie> dholbert: i think i need something at the network layer
# [19:11] <@bz> WARNING: No principal to execute JS with: file ../../../../mozilla/dom/src/jsurl/nsJSProtocolHandler.cpp, line 190
# [19:11] <dholbert> evilpie, yeah, makes sense... good luck. :)
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# [19:11] <@bz> the JS doesn't run at all
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# [19:12] <evilpie> dholbert: hehe thanks
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# [19:12] <@bz> yeah
# [19:12] <@bz> this is the change to GetInheritedPrincipal
# [19:12] <gavin> hmm
# [19:13] <gavin> oh yeah
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# [19:13] <gavin> about:newtab is chrome
# [19:13] <@bz> yes
# [19:13] <gavin> so yeah don't do that anymore :)
# [19:13] <@bz> do what?
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# [19:13] <gavin> use bookmarklets on chrome-privileged pages
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# [19:13] <@bz> I just opened a new tab
# [19:13] <@bz> and used a _bookmark_keyword_
# [19:13] <@bz> which is supposed to load something
# [19:14] <@bz> in that new tab
# [19:14] <gavin> I see
# [19:14] <@bz> and it didn't
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# [19:14] <gavin> it is a bit unfortunate that our new tab page is chrome privileged
# [19:14] <@bz> The only reason it's a bookmarklet is that I need to pass two arguments to the keyword
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# [19:14] <@bz> and bookmark keywords don't support that
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# [19:14] <@bz> so you end up having to use a bookmarklet to parse out the two args, sub them into the URI you really want, and then set location to it...
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# [19:15] <@bz> this is apparently not an uncommon use case of bookmark keywords
# [19:15] <@bz> (insofar as they're used in general)
# [19:16] <@bz> fwiw...
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# [19:16] <@bz> not loading about:newtab when I open a tab via keyboard would also fix this for me
# [19:16] <@bz> er...
# [19:16] <@bz> so I just changed browser.newtab.url
# [19:16] <@bz> to about:blank
# [19:16] <@bz> and I still get about:newtab when I open tabs..
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# [19:17] <@smaug> bz: IIRC that requires restart
# [19:17] <@bz> $%^$%%&^%&%
# [19:17] <gavin> bz: new window (or restart)
# [19:17] <@bz> oh, new window will work?
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# [19:17] <@bz> new window >>>> restart
# [19:17] <gavin> yes, it's cached per-window
# [19:17] <@bz> ok
# [19:17] <@bz> why is it not just live?
# [19:18] <@bz> ah, well
# [19:18] <@bz> anyway, do you want a bug on this?
# [19:18] <gavin> on what?
# [19:18] <@smaug> hmm, where should I file test framework related bug
# [19:18] <gavin> (specifically)
# [19:19] <@smaug> ah, there is Testing
# [19:19] <@bz> the fact that bookmark keywords to javascript: URIs don't work after opening a new tab in the default configuration
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# [19:20] <@bz> back in a sec
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# [19:20] <jtcranmer> er, wrong channel
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# [19:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/eb85fbbeb6d9 - Olli Pettay - Bug 726346 - Implement a version of nsICycleCollectorListener for devtools, r=mccr8
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# [19:27] <@smaug> mak: looks like the patch doesn't apply cleanly
# [19:27] <mak> smaug: ah, sigh, I have a bunch of patches in queue :(
# [19:28] <mak> btw working on the new version
# [19:28] <@smaug> do we have someone hacking test tools?
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# [19:29] <@bz> gavin: so do you want a bug?
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# [19:29] <nemo> yay. http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase230.xhtml renders correctly in IE10. proper gradients and multiple background images! *so excited*
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# [19:30] <nemo> now if only they hadn't forced installation of Windows 8 to test it...
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# [19:30] <nemo> I do believe IE10 will be almost a modern browser, for the kind of stuff I care about :D
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# [19:30] <nemo> now all it needs is webgl...
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# [19:38] <Callek> nemo: IE11 will have a "form" of WebGL, but you'll need to digitially sign some code, and have your browser coupled with MS, so that you can be sure that copy proetction exists for that stuff ;-)
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# [19:41] <nemo> Callek: ah. I thought that was for reals :)
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# [19:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2e34d3d7071f - Serge Gautherie - Bug 721065. (Bv2a) pyxpt: Report true Typelib filename for both files, when IIDs/names differ. r=ted.mielczarek.
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# [19:47] <gavin> bz: sure
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# [19:49] <@dbaron> jwatt, you pinged?
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# [19:56] <@bz> gavin: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728313
# [19:57] <@bz> did we drop support for compiling with gcc 4.4 or something?
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# [20:00] <edmorley> Can anyone remember which people have been fixing oranges of late and might be able to assist in the improvement of https://developer.mozilla.org/en/QA/Avoiding_intermittent_oranges ?
# [20:01] <Callek> edmorley: if you can deal with a bit of bikeshed-should-be-this-color surrounding real useful suggestion, serge gautherie [sp?] has been doing a lot of it for suite at least
# [20:02] <@bz> ok
# [20:02] <@bz> What Linux compiler versions _do_ we support?
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# [20:03] <@bz> because it sure looks like the JS engine no longer compiles with 4.4
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# [20:04] <edmorley> Callek: thank you
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# [20:05] <chrisccoulson> bz - it compiles here, but doesn't actually work (see bug 694594)
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# [20:05] <WG9s> bz: good question the build requirements page still says gcc 3.4 or higher, but I bet 3.4 has not worked for a long time.
# [20:06] <@bz> chrisccoulson: were you building 32-bit or 64-bit?
# [20:06] <chrisccoulson> bz - both. we get the same issue on both architectures by the look of things, although i've only actually looked at it on 64-bit
# [20:06] <@bz> hrm
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# [20:06] * @bz can't build 64-bit at all
# [20:07] <@bz> with 32-bit I at least got out of jseng so far.....
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# [20:08] <WG9s> Is this current mozilla-central? for some reason which I do not understand I could not get a 64-bit build based on yesterdays nightly build changset to work at all yet today's worked just fine.
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# [20:09] <WG9s> this was using gcc 4.5.1
# [20:09] <@bz> This is tip at the moment
# [20:09] <@bz> but I'm _really_ trying to build stuff from http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=005488525c43&tochange=402b394b6623
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# [20:11] <WG9s> so I was successful today form rev 2271cb92cc05
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# [20:12] <@bz> it's possible that 4.5 works and 4.4 does not....
# [20:12] <WG9s> failed trying to do 64-bit build of a853f4017192
# [20:12] <@bz> WG9s: with what errors?
# [20:12] <WG9s> both were successful on 32-bit builds runinbg on my 64-bit system
# [20:12] <WG9s> really odd things like file already exiists.
# [20:13] <WG9s> really made no sense
# [20:13] <@bz> ok
# [20:13] <WG9s> if it were compier errors it would make more sense
# [20:13] <@bz> that's not the issue I'm running into
# [20:13] <WG9s> thsi was more like buildconfig type issues
# [20:13] <@bz> so presumably I need to update to 4.5....
# [20:13] <@bz> we'll see
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# [20:14] <WG9s> but we also need to update the build prerequisites page which says 3.4 or later.
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# [20:14] <WG9s> I think my issue was probably some lame vmware issue.
# [20:14] <WG9s> I bet if i had tried to redo the 32-bit build it may have failed also.
# [20:15] <WG9s> i bet something got corrupted in the file system.
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# [20:16] <@bz> and these are clobber builds
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# [20:22] <espindola> akeybl, I add glandium for review because you wrote "Once you've gotten an r+"
# [20:22] <espindola> ...
# [20:23] <akeybl> espindola: you requested the r?
# [20:23] <akeybl> I didn't
# [20:23] <akeybl> I'm not going to question why you thought you needed a review
# [20:23] <espindola> akeybl, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=721575#c4
# [20:23] <akeybl> right
# [20:24] <akeybl> it's up to the engineer to decide when a new review is necessary (none is necessary if it's the same patch)
# [20:24] <espindola> so, what is next?
# [20:24] <akeybl> I handle approvals
# [20:24] <akeybl> if you feel it needs to be reviewed, get an r+
# [20:24] <glandium> bz: i build aurora with 4.4
# [20:24] <akeybl> if not, land it
# [20:24] <espindola> should I add a "a?akeybl"
# [20:24] <@bz> hmm
# [20:24] <@bz> then wtf is going on?
# [20:24] <akeybl> espindola: just use a=akeybl when you land
# [20:24] <@khuey> akeybl: I think the fact that there's no approval-mozilla-esr+ flag to set is confusing people
# [20:25] <glandium> bz: note that 4.4 is known to miscompile, though
# [20:25] <espindola> akeybl, I don't think I need another r+, I added glandium because if the comment
# [20:25] <glandium> bz: but it doesn't fail to build
# [20:25] <akeybl> espindola: then we're good to land
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# [20:25] <@bz> yeah
# [20:25] <@bz> I'm not as worried about miscompiling as long as I can load this testcase.... ;)
# [20:25] <espindola> akeybl, just double checking, the tree is closed. It is normal to push with CLOSED_TREE for esr?
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# [20:26] <akeybl> espindola: it's already been changed to approval required
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# [20:26] <akeybl> khuey: I understand that. I updated https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/ESR_Landing_Process to reflect that a= whoever tracked for the ESR
# [20:26] <akeybl> we're trying to cut out a step in the process by requiring nomination/approval
# [20:27] <espindola> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Esr10
# [20:27] <espindola> says closed
# [20:27] <akeybl> cmd+shift+r
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# [20:27] <akeybl> khuey: what makes ESR different is that it's security only
# [20:28] <akeybl> for the most part
# [20:28] <@khuey> akeybl: sure, it's just that we're used to somebody setting an a+ flag on the patch
# [20:28] <@khuey> and that doesn't happen anymore
# [20:28] <akeybl> right, because all security fixes need to be resolved on ESR alongside the mainline release
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# [20:28] <akeybl> so approval is moot
# [20:28] <akeybl> we track for the corresponding release, and when a patch is r+'d for ESR, it can land
# [20:28] <akeybl> no nomination/approval necessary
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# [20:29] <akeybl> these are early edge cases where we're allowing in non-security fixes
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# [20:29] <@khuey> so the approval is automatic?
# [20:30] <@khuey> e.g. security bugs landing for Firefox N are automatically approved for the ESR release that happens simultaneously?
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# [20:31] <Callek> akeybl: to elaborate from what khuey said, a security bug landing for Firefox 16 sounds quite *possible* to be too risky for ESR 10:16, even if we want to track it for ESR10:16
# [20:31] <Callek> akeybl: so imho we should use approval to dignify that explicit ok, rather than an implicit one, to better account for maintainability and developer expectations. agree?
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# [20:32] <akeybl> that's the exception to the rule and can be dealt with separately
# [20:32] <akeybl> for now, ESR is lightweight
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# [20:33] <akeybl> khuey: if tracked for a release, then we should land on ESR when ready
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# [20:37] <@bz> how do I know whether I should land a patch on ESR?
# [20:38] <edmorley> ehsan: ping
# [20:39] <akeybl> "Once the mozilla-beta version matches the tracking-esr10 version" - https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Release_Management/ESR_Landing_Process
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# [20:41] <@bz> ah
# [20:42] <@bz> so in practice, how does this work?
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# [20:42] <@ehsan> edmorley: hello sir!
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# [20:42] <@bz> the ideal workflow is one where you get mail when you need to check something in
# [20:42] <@bz> right?
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# [20:49] <edmorley> ehsan: sorry suddenly remembered my dinner was (over)cooking! :-) I was just chatting to Bob Moss about ways in which to reduce intermittent oranges, and he mused that a best practices for test writing document would be a good idea - but we of course have https://developer.mozilla.org/en/QA/Avoiding_intermittent_oranges
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# [20:50] <edmorley> ehsan: so I was wondering whether it was worth promoting again / if you thought there was much more that could be added to it, given it was last changed 10 months ago
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# [20:51] <akeybl> bz: you're making the case to add an approval flag that's set when mozilla-beta matches the tracking-esr10 version?
# [20:52] <@bz> I'm making the case that whenever the patch should be checked in there should be a corresponding email to the person who should be doing that
# [20:52] <@bz> however it happens
# [20:52] <@bz> it can be a script that does a bug query and sends mails
# [20:52] <akeybl> we triage the queries and are pinging in the bugs
# [20:52] <edmorley> ehsan: I mainly wanted to have a rough idea of whether you had looked at it over the last 10 months (and there just wasn't much more to add to it), or if going through the last say 6 months of fixed [orange] with patch and pinging the patch authors, was worth the time/effort? :-)
# [20:53] <@bz> ok
# [20:53] <@bz> that's probably good enough
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# [20:55] <@ehsan> edmorley: I've tried to keep that page up to date, so I don't have anything to add to it ;)
# [20:55] <@ehsan> edmorley: I don't know if there are any big items missing there
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# [20:59] <bsmith> Anybody have any pointers to existing bugs for starring the two purples in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora?
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# [21:18] <@bz> heh
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# [21:24] <bholley> bz: do we get a new document and inner window when we change the hash only?
# [21:24] <@bz> no
# [21:24] <bholley> bz: we retain both?
# [21:24] <@bz> yes
# [21:24] <bholley> bz: hm, ok. Thanks
# [21:25] <@bz> no problem
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# [21:57] <jgilbert> If I wanted a test that assures a page with JS (and webgl) executes inside a time limit, how/where would I write it?
# [21:58] <kaie> How would you describe "sisyphus" in one sentence? What does it do?
# [21:59] <kaie> I understand it has something to do with "finding crashes". What approach is used to find them? Is it a fuzzer?
# [21:59] <jhammel> kaie: it tries to repro them from da web
# [21:59] <bhearsum> i think you may want to ask bc|afk about it
# [21:59] <jhammel> kaie: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Auto-tools/Projects/BugHunter
# [21:59] <jhammel> BugHunter == sisyphus rebranded
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# [22:00] <kaie> thanks. We should add a link to bughunter on https://wiki.mozilla.org/Sisyphus
# [22:01] <bc|afk> kaie: it basically loads urls from socorro attempting to reproduce crashes.
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# [22:03] <kaie> I didn't know Socorro is the name of our crash database. Ok. If you don't mind, I will update page https://wiki.mozilla.org/Sisyphus (that's what I find when I search for "mozilla sisyphus"). => Sisyphus is a tool that uses crash reports submitted to Mozilla and will try to automatically reproduce the crash, in order to assist developers with analyzing the reasons of the crash.
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# [22:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/bd3a2666218c - John Ford - bug 722537 - Add mozconfigs for 10.7 builds to mozilla-central r=ted DONTBUILD
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# [22:33] <philikon> edmorley: thx for cleaning up my mess yesterday
# [22:33] <@smaug> who knows about updater?
# [22:33] <@smaug> or the stuff that About Nightly dialog does
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# [22:33] <philikon> smaug: iirc margaret wrote that dialog
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# [22:36] <@smaug> mak: FYI, I updated the simple CC analyzer addon to find easier leaks where a document is involved in the cycle. See for example https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728392#c0
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# [22:37] <mak> smaug: thanks, will try it!
# [22:37] <@smaug> (one may still need to a debug build to get gc logs to find the actual leak)
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# [22:37] <@smaug> s/to/to use/
# [22:38] <gavin> smaug: what about it?
# [22:39] <gavin> oh
# [22:39] <@smaug> gavin: there is a leak
# [22:39] <gavin> yeah just saw that
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# [22:45] <tchevalier> gavin: Hi. You said changing entity name is the only way notifying localizers. Is it related that community.end3 is localized on Nightly/Aurora but not in beta?
# [22:45] <gavin> I'm not sure what you mean by "localized"
# [22:45] <espindola> armenzg_buildduty, new build finally finished
# [22:46] <tchevalier> gavin: Translated
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# [22:46] <gavin> tchevalier: how are you determining that it's not translated?
# [22:46] <tchevalier> gavin: On French builds, the community.end3 is still in English
# [22:47] <gavin> that's just a bug in the fr locale
# [22:47] <gavin> (which seems odd, those guys are usually quite on top of things!)
# [22:48] * @khuey blames mounir
# [22:48] <gavin> mounir isn't a localizer
# [22:48] <hub> wow, I closed a tab, that freed 400MB of explicit allocations
# [22:48] <@bz> better than not freeing it
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# [22:48] <tchevalier> gavin: yeah, I looked on the l10n files, and it was translated, on Nightly/Aurora it's translated, but not in beta
# [22:48] <tchevalier> weird.
# [22:48] <@khuey> gavin: what does that have to do with anything?
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# [22:59] <edmorley> philikon: no problem :-)
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# [23:03] <firebot> Check-in:
# [23:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/16fcae991ddd - Smokey Ardisson - Bug 656990 - Ensure compatibility with OS X 10.7's arrowless scrollbar. Original patch by Steven Michaud <smichaud@pobox.com>, r=mstange; backported by smorgan and me.
# [23:03] <firebot> a=smorgan,me for Camino 2.1 series.
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# [23:09] <Callek> ....am I the only one still shocked to see camino checkins? ;-)
# [23:09] * Callek says as a SeaMonkey driver, for humor.
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# [23:17] <@bz_dinner> man
# [23:17] <@bz_dinner> we broke deviceorientation events on mac. :(
# [23:18] <NeilAway> are they disoriented?
# [23:18] <mounir> NeilAway: they lost themselves in translation
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# [23:28] <bsmith> On mozilla-beta, I am getting these two build warnings:
# [23:28] <bsmith> jslog2.obj : warning LNK4221: no public symbols found; archive member will be inaccessible
# [23:29] <bsmith> smimemessage.obj : warning LNK4221: no public symbols found; archive member will be inaccessible
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# [23:29] <bsmith> and then build failure:
# [23:29] <bsmith> No rule to make target `JSDebugger.obj', needed by `jsdebugger.lib.desc'. Stop.
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# [23:29] <bsmith> But, I didn't touch anything in JS, and the try build with these changes built fine!
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# [23:30] <bsmith> In fact, I didn't touch anything out of security/, so JS shouldn't be affected at all
# [23:30] <@khuey> clean objdir?
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# [23:30] <bsmith> I mean, a build pushed to mozilla-beta; mozilla-beta is red
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# [23:30] <@khuey> ah
# [23:30] <@khuey> interesting
# [23:30] <@khuey> maybe something just had a broken objdir lying around
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# [23:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2bfd0fe5da97 - Justin Wood - Bug 727258 - Suite Depend Locales broken after Bug 722262
# [23:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ec5493518d22 - Justin Wood - Bug 726797 - Multi-GPU Detection Broken on Windows Gecko 11. r=ajuma
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# [23:39] <jgilbert> is MOZ_ASSERT supposed to work?
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# [23:41] <@smaug> Waldo: ^
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# [23:42] <Waldo> jgilbert: yes, what's up?
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# [23:43] <@khuey> ehsan: hmm, did you know that your mandatory ASLR patch doesn't enforce ASLR on everything?
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# [23:45] <@khuey> also our DLL blocklist is pretty easy to circumvent :-/
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# [23:45] <@ehsan> khuey: no I didn't
# [23:45] <@ehsan> wanna explain?
# [23:45] <sicking> bz_dinner: ping
# [23:45] <@khuey> ehsan: LdrLoadDll doesn't invoke itself recursively
# [23:45] <@khuey> ehsan: so if LdrLoadDll gets called to load foo.dll
# [23:45] <@khuey> which links to bar.dll
# [23:45] <@khuey> we only ever see foo.dll
# [23:46] <@khuey> sicking++
# [23:47] <jgilbert> Waldo: MOZ_ASSERT doesn't seem to trigger on my windows debug build
# [23:47] <Waldo> jgilbert: you're doing a debug build, right?
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# [23:47] <jgilbert> Waldo: yes
# [23:47] <Waldo> wait
# [23:47] <Waldo> you said that :-)
# [23:48] <jgilbert> MOZ_ASSERT(false, "WORKS!"); doesn't trigger
# [23:48] <jgilbert> NS_ABORT works
# [23:48] <Waldo> so, what happens if you set a breakpoint just before that and run things?
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# [23:50] <dholbert> (jgilbert, note that NS_ABORT isn't debug-specific)
# [23:50] <dholbert> ( jgilbert, side point, probably not relevant)
# [23:50] <jgilbert> dholbert: debug spew is, right?
# [23:50] <jgilbert> because I have that too
# [23:50] <Waldo> jgilbert: does MOZ_Assert("fail", __FILE__, __LINE__); work?
# [23:50] * Waldo thinks that's the right signature
# [23:51] <Waldo> that should work in both debug and non-debug builds
# [23:51] <philor> bsmith: that 302 expired from my cache, what tree am I looking at?
# [23:51] <dholbert> jgilbert, if you mean " ++DOMWINDOW" lines, yeah. (NS_ASSERTION/WARNING/ABORT_IF_FALSE/ are all debug-specific as well)
# [23:51] <bsmith> philor: Mozilla-aurora
# [23:51] <jgilbert> yes
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# [23:52] <jgilbert> er, dholbert, yes
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# [23:52] <bsmith> but, it looks like it was already starred
# [23:52] <jgilbert> Waldo: rebuilding
# [23:52] <bsmith> philor: I could use some help with the RED on Mozilla-Beta though
# [23:52] <@ehsan> khuey: yes that's intentional
# [23:52] <@ehsan> I've added that code myself ;)
# [23:52] <Waldo> jgilbert: it's conceivable that you need to clobber, too; bug 717540 seems to have had that issue several places already
# [23:52] <@khuey> ehsan: what's intentional?
# [23:52] <Waldo> where by clobber I mean nuke your objdir from orbit
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# [23:53] <@khuey> is there another meaning to the word clobber?
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# [23:53] <jgilbert> f7u12
# [23:53] <dholbert> nuclear codes transmitted
# [23:53] <Waldo> khuey: well, someone seemed to be under the impression recently-ish that make clean (?) was sufficient
# [23:54] <@ehsan> khuey: to prevent falling in an infinite loop
# [23:54] <bsmith> khuey: isn't there (or didn't there used to be) a "make clobber" target?
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# [23:54] <@ehsan> khuey: see the comments above ReentrancySentinel
# [23:54] <@khuey> Waldo: ouch, that probably went poorly
# [23:54] <@khuey> bsmith: I, uh, don't know
# [23:54] <Waldo> khuey: yeah
# [23:54] <@khuey> if there was we should turn it into rm -rf $(OBJDIR)
# [23:54] <philor> bsmith: and speaking of clobbers, that's my solution to the red, I set it and triggered another one
# [23:54] <jgilbert> I'll try a clobber tonight
# [23:55] <philor> yeah, there was or maybe even is a make clobber, but I think it required that people understand what they should add to GARBAGE
# [23:55] <jgilbert> I'll stick with NS_* for the moment
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# [23:55] <@khuey> ehsan: ReentrancySentinel isn't relevant here
# [23:55] <@ehsan> khuey: oh, so what do you mean?
# [23:56] <@khuey> ehsan: if foo.dll is linked to bar.dll, and somebody calls LoadLibrary(foo.dll)
# [23:56] <@khuey> ehsan: we'll end up in the LdrLoadDll hook for foo.dll
# [23:56] <@khuey> ehsan: but we'll never see bar.dll
# [23:56] <@khuey> ehsan: not because of reentrancy sentinel, but because LdrLoadDll handles the load of bar.dll internally
# [23:56] <@ehsan> why not?
# [23:56] <@khuey> it doesn't call back out to itself
# [23:56] <@ehsan> what version of windows is this?
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# [23:57] <@khuey> 7
# [23:57] <@khuey> unless I'm doing it wrong (TM)
# [23:57] <@ehsan> hmm
# [23:57] <@khuey> let me check something first, maybe I'm wrong
# [23:57] <@ehsan> I know that I've seen LdrLoadDll calls for all DLL dependencies in a debugger
# [23:57] <@ehsan> khuey: please do :)
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