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# Session Start: Sat Feb 18 00:00:00 2012
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# [00:02] <@khuey> ehsan: I don't think I'm doing anything wrong
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# [00:02] <@khuey> ehsan: I definitely see foo.dll in our hook but not bar.dll
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# [00:03] <@ehsan> khuey: can you break in bar.dll's DllMain and see who calls it?
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# [00:05] <@khuey> ehsan: sure, after I add one :-D
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# [00:12] <@khuey> ehsan: http://khuey.pastebin.mozilla.org/1486509
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# [00:12] <@khuey> ehsan: and the ldrLoadDll hook is indeed for foo.dll
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# [00:13] <@ehsan> hmm
# [00:13] <@ehsan> yeah this doesn't look good
# [00:13] <@ehsan> and it doesn't match what I would expect
# [00:14] * @khuey wants to resurrect ted's crazy plan to write our own dynamic linker on windows
# [00:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2a87a57a90aa - Brian Smith - Bug 713936, Part 4: Remove security/patches/bug-717906-lowhash, r=kaie, a=akeybl
# [00:14] <@khuey> :-P
# [00:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7c4329352fc7 - Brian Smith - Bug 713936, Part 3: Update to NSPR 4.9 RTM (NSPR_4_9_RTM), r=kaie, a=akeybl
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# [00:17] <@khuey> ehsan: it also means that our dll blocklist is ineffective in a lot of cases :-/
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# [00:17] <@ehsan> khuey: we already knew that :P
# [00:18] <kaie> bsmith, IMHO you don't need approval for bug 728420. Files in directory securiy/patches are not part of the build, and are for META tracking, only. You should IMHO always assume that you can remove the corresponding patch file, when updating NSS to a release that has the corresponding fix included.
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# [00:18] <@khuey> heh
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# [00:19] <bsmith> kaie: I agree. Since I have to do another patch for bug 713936 then I will just dup that bug to 713936.
# [00:19] <jgilbert> Waldo: MOZ_Assert("fail", __FILE__, __LINE__); works
# [00:20] <kaie> bsmith, yes sounds good, thx
# [00:20] <Waldo> hmm
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# [00:20] <Waldo> jgilbert: where are you adding this assert? lemme try it locally
# [00:21] <jgilbert> CanvasLayerD3D10.cpp/120, roughly
# [00:22] <jgilbert> I want to assert if we're expecting a share handle and not receiving one
# [00:23] <jgilbert> triggered by loading a page with webgl content
# [00:23] <Waldo> and probably not doing it via rdesktop, either :-)
# [00:23] * Waldo returns to his desk for this
# [00:23] <jgilbert> heh
# [00:23] <jgilbert> checking if MOZ_ASSERT(true) does anything
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# [00:24] <Waldo> the preprocessed version of the source might be informative
# [00:24] <Waldo> should be, really
# [00:24] <jgilbert> when are we getting a build-machine-cloud?
# [00:25] <bsmith> kaie: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713936#c13
# [00:25] <bsmith> AFAICT, everything is landed now
# [00:25] <jhammel> jgilbert: when someone make FOSS cloud software? ;)
# [00:25] <kaie> bsmith, I agree. Thank you!
# [00:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/bdb34145c37a - Kyle Huey - Bug 669845: Make nsTypeFindAhead clear out all of its references to content nodes when reset. r=gavin
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# [00:25] <jgilbert> jhammel: can we not throw a bunch of distcc at it?
# [00:26] <bsmith> kaie: Regarding other discussion in bugs today, about the bugs blocking libpkix becoming the default, I think we should try to find the fastest path forward to doing that
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# [00:27] <bsmith> especially, I would like to resolve bug 634074 ASAP.
# [00:27] <kaie> saw your suggestions, will comment in the bug
# [00:28] <kaie> 7 hours til alarm clock. nite :)
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# [00:36] <Waldo> jgilbert: URL that should D3D10::Initialize, assuming I've built things correctly on a machine capable of hitting it?
# [00:37] <Waldo> get.webgl.org spews "Can't get a usable WebGL context"
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# [00:37] <Waldo> hm, maybe I need to upgrade graphics drivers
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# [00:38] <jgilbert> yeah, webgl would have to succeed first
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# [00:44] <jgilbert> Waldo: neither MOZ_ASSERT(true) or MOZ_ASSERT(false) work, but MOZ_Assert does D:
# [00:44] <jgilbert> the macro goop looks fine to me, though
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# [00:45] <Waldo> jgilbert: yeah, that's weird; I do know one place that would redefine MOZ_ASSERT to not call it, but that should have been removed just recently, so...
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# [00:45] <jgilbert> hrm
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# [01:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a3b93f3949fe - Kyle Machulis - Back out bug 711601 (changeset 4c8aa2b0ca1c) due to qemu breakage
# [01:04] <qDot> :|
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# [01:09] <nanotube> greetings. where do i report the lack of the customary gpg-signature file on the releases servers, for the 10.0.2 firefox release?
# [01:10] <@khuey> akeybl: ^
# [01:10] <gavin> khuey: dude you need to start adding some comments to go with your patches!
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# [01:10] <@khuey> gavin: context?
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# [01:11] <gavin> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728392#c2
# [01:11] * @khuey shrugs
# [01:11] <@khuey> it's pretty obvious what the patch does
# [01:12] <gavin> did you test it?
# [01:12] <gavin> does it compile with GCC?
# [01:12] <gavin> :P
# [01:12] <@khuey> I did test it
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# [01:12] <@khuey> I didn't try compiling it with gcc though
# [01:13] <akeybl> nanotube: please file a bug here - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=mozilla.org under the Release Engineering component and CC akeybl@mozilla.com. Thanks!
# [01:13] <gps> khuey: thanks for using Clang!
# [01:13] <@khuey> gps: nice try
# [01:13] <gavin> "the bug is that foo holds on to bar, which causes a cycle. fix is to clear quux's reference to bar, breaking the cycle"
# [01:13] <nanotube> akeybl: thank you, i'll do that. :)
# [01:13] <gavin> stuff like that really helps, even for "obvious" patches
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# [01:14] <@khuey> well it's not a cycle
# [01:14] <@khuey> it's "singleton xpcom service that exists for the lifetime of the app doesn't clear it's transient reference to a window"
# [01:14] <@khuey> you can copy/paste that into the bug if you like ;-)
# [01:15] * Waldo is reproducing the MOZ_ASSERT failure/MOZ_Assert success now
# [01:15] <Waldo> sooooooooo...
# [01:17] <gavin> anyhow, regardless of whether it was necessary in this specific case, it's a good habit to get into
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# [01:17] <gavin> even if the only purpose is to educate future bug readers!
# [01:18] <gavin> (ever looked back at a bug with no comments and wondered "WTF did they do this this way?")
# [01:18] <jhammel> i usually use helpful tidbits like "fixes some things"
# [01:19] <Waldo> jhammel++ // increments jhammel
# [01:20] <mauke> Waldo++; // decrement Waldo
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# [01:20] <nanotube> akeybl: done
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# [01:20] <jhammel> // mauke++; // DO NOT DELETE THIS LINE! THE PROGRAM DEPENDS ON IT!!!
# [01:21] <mauke> jhammel++; // increment Waldo
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# [01:21] <JonathanS> khuey, you use LLVM/Clang?
# [01:21] <gavin> PLEASE CONTACT hyatt@netscape.com BEFORE MAKING ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THIS FILE
# [01:21] <jhammel> heh
# [01:21] <@khuey> JonathanS: MSVC
# [01:21] <JonathanS> gavin, does that email goes into blackhole?
# [01:22] <@khuey> these days?
# [01:22] <@khuey> yes
# [01:22] <@khuey> 12 years ago, maybe
# [01:22] <JonathanS> khuey, I hate Windows compilers. :)
# [01:22] <@khuey> heh
# [01:22] <@khuey> they link soooo fast though
# [01:22] <jhammel> just the compilers? ;)
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# [01:23] <Waldo> jgilbert: so, looking at this, I think msvc might be buggy on this point; sec, let me test something, I remember stumbling across claims that msvc was buggy with this stuff, may be able to write a quick fix
# [01:23] <JonathanS> khuey, they don't follow C and C++ specs.
# [01:23] <jgilbert> but...fast code D:
# [01:23] <@khuey> srsly
# [01:24] <JonathanS> khuey, MS take C with additional extensions and called it as C++ :/
# [01:25] <gps> if only I paid ISO for a copy of the C/C++ specs so we could settle this debate
# [01:25] <gps> why do you have to pay money for the specs of 2 of the most popular programming languages again?
# [01:26] <@khuey> because greed
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# [01:28] <JonathanS> gps, "Greed can be a very powerful ally", Qui-Gon Jinn said
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# [01:29] <jhammel> JonathanS: a11y, i think you mean
# [01:29] <mak> smaug: hm, I don't understand, I don't see anymore the browser.xul nsDocument here :(
# [01:29] <jhammel> gps: if you can't make money off or something, why do it? ;)
# [01:29] <jhammel> its the American way
# [01:30] <@smaug> mak: let me retest
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# [01:30] <JonathanS> jhammel, it is not open source way.
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# [01:31] <@smaug> mak: what all do I need to make? toolkit/ ?
# [01:31] <jhammel> that's because open source is part of the international communist conspiracy ;)
# [01:31] <mak> smaug: t/c/places
# [01:32] <philor> mmm, 3 all-green esr10 pushes in a row
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# [01:32] <mak> I see a couple about:blank, not browser.xul nsDocument... maybe I'm just doing str wrong
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# [01:33] <mak> but I was seeing it before
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# [01:33] <@smaug> mak: still there
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# [01:34] <mak> this is what I see 0C57EC00 [rc=2] nsDocument normal (xhtml) about:blank
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# [01:34] <mak> and 08DA8400 [rc=2] nsDocument normal (xhtml) about:blank
# [01:34] <@smaug> hmm, now I got something else
# [01:35] <@smaug> nsTransactionManager is the root
# [01:35] <@smaug> and now, after another CC, nsITransaction
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# [01:35] <JonathanS> jhammel, "communists conspiracy" is which way of that?
# [01:35] <mak> still kept alive by a nsIURI? I copied all of them
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# [01:37] <jhammel> JonathanS: well i'm mostly just kidding ;) although http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/
# [01:37] <jhammel> you'll have to click through an ad....again, the american way
# [01:37] <JonathanS> jhammel, ah ballmer, "show me code or shut up" :)
# [01:37] <jhammel> heh
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# [01:38] <JonathanS> jhammel, it is like old SCO vs Linux.
# [01:38] <jhammel> exactly like that
# [01:39] <JonathanS> sadly, SCO is still exists and put IBM in the court.
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# [01:42] <mak> edmorley: will you also merge central? can I do that? I would like to get a couple patches from there
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# [01:44] <edmorley> mak: to inbound? if so, just pushed :-)
# [01:44] <mak> cool, thanks
# [01:44] <edmorley> np
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# [02:00] <philor> bsmith: omg omg, 72853 failures!!1!
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# [02:01] <bsmith> philor: how did you get that count?
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# [02:03] <philor> bsmith: by looking at the bottom right of tbpl with that mochitest-other on beta selected, before I starred it as just the two bugs it is - should have added one for the chrome failure, would have been more impressive that way
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# [02:05] <bsmith> philor: Oh, OK. I thought you were commenting on how often I strike out trying to get a date
# [02:06] <bsmith> philor: yeah, I would go insane watching tbpl report crazy stuff all day. I don't know how you do it.
# [02:06] <philor> I was already there, that makes it easier
# [02:06] <bsmith> I guess for the same reason that some people cut themselves
# [02:07] <bsmith> philor: By the way, how did you do the clobber before you re-triggered that one win debug build on mozilla-beta?
# [02:07] <bsmith> i.e. how did you tell the build machine to do a clobber
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# [02:08] <bsmith> (And, why doesn't the build machine do a clobber all the time? Why is it so slow otherwise?)
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# [02:12] <philor> bsmith: https://build.mozilla.org/clobberer/ and it doesn't always because we take forever to build even incrementally, and better yet, it may not have been a need for a clobber at all, since it claims that first build was a clobber
# [02:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/30cb97299656 - Michael Ratcliffe - Bug 705707 - Style Inspector doesn't take into account chrome:// stylesheets; r=msucan f=dao
# [02:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/39f8849e89c5 - Tim Taubert - Bug 585813 - Script timeout at tabbrowser.xml:1457 when closing tabs; r=dao
# [02:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b099928aaa34 - Spyros Livathinos - Bug 725388 - Expose the Orion mouse events in the Source Editor; r=msucan f=msucan
# [02:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d08878c56f15 - Panos Astithas - Bug 725360 - Closing the tab when the debugger is paused should cleanly exit the debugger; r=rcampbell
# [02:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/72404246638e - Tim Taubert - Bug 725200 - about:newtab briefly shown in location bar of new tab; r=gavin
# [02:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/87bb3cff1864 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [02:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e5ecebbd9631 - Michael Ratcliffe - Bug 585563 - The inspector style panel should link to the CSS editor; r=dcamp f=cedricv
# [02:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a6e809d5a446 - Michael Ratcliffe - Bug 683499 - GCLI needs an 'edit' command (for CSS only to start with); r=jwalker
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# [03:04] <Callek> woa really, thats a LOT of green
# [03:04] <Callek> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=ec5493518d22
# [03:05] <Callek> I'm especially impressed with android there
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# [03:09] <Waldo> jgilbert: yeah, I suspect this is hitting <http://cplusplus.co.il/2010/07/17/variadic-macro-to-count-number-of-arguments/#comment-644>; I'll file with the fix I finally managed to get working
# [03:10] <Waldo> jgilbert: or http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/380090/variadic-macro-replacement more authoritatively, perhaps
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# [03:15] <edmorley> Callek: nice! :-)
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# [03:16] <Callek> I know. kinda makes me regret not landing it earlier :-)
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# [03:17] <edmorley> esr10 looks pretty good as well
# [03:17] <edmorley> (helps not having android builds
# [03:17] <edmorley> )
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# [03:19] <Callek> raise "unexpected \n found near `builds`"
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# [03:20] <jgilbert> Great, thanks Waldo
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# [03:21] <Waldo> jgilbert: https://twitter.com/#!/sayrer/status/19304989209
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# [03:25] <edmorley> Callek: ha :-)
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# [03:47] <reuben> did we stop using places's moz_keywords table to keep search engine keywords?
# [03:49] <reuben> ya, we use search.sqlite now but the old table is still there
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# [04:21] <instant> is Google Instant is broken in the latest Firefox hourly builds? "Google Instant is unavailable. Press Enter to search."
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# [04:21] <instant> I tested with IE8 and it works
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# [04:22] <instant> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-central-win32/1329527089/ Built from http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/87bb3cff1864 is the build I have atm
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# [04:23] <jtcranmer> 71 lines of header file includes
# [04:23] <jtcranmer> I think most of them are unnecessary
# [04:25] <jtcranmer> oh yeah, good luck trying to throw them in any order
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# [04:34] <santom> hi all. I am fixing a bug in calendar. I wanted to add event lsitener whenver a month is changed in minimonth widget
# [04:34] <santom> can anyone help me with this
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# [06:20] <jdm> woo, 12 hour train ride from toronto to new york is done
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# [06:30] <mcpherrin> I like trains and I'd probably fly that... just seems painful.
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# [06:40] <sid0> 12 hours is just about borderline for me vs the annoyance of a flight
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# [06:53] <jdm> I find trains pretty relaxing
# [06:53] <jdm> more leg room, for one thing
# [06:53] <jdm> and almost always power outlets
# [06:53] <jdm> that is more than can be said for most flights
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# [06:56] <db48x> jdm: indeed
# [06:57] <db48x> jdm: I took a train across the US and back for Christmas vacation
# [06:57] <jdm> that sounds fun
# [06:57] <db48x> it was
# [06:57] <jdm> I enjoyed the seattle to SF train
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# [07:01] <mcpherrin> I might take SF -> seattle this summer; I hear it's a nice ride.
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# [07:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/550779e6bab4 - Chris Jones - Bug 727950: Don't close the camera dso, some of them don't like that. r=fabrice (npotb)
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# [10:11] <Jesse> glandium: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2361 is interesting! this looks like a type error, though: strlen("foo" + 1)
# [10:12] <glandium> Jesse: yeah, the parenthesis is at the wrong location
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# [10:13] <glandium> could have used sizeof("foo"), but it's not obvious to everyone that it's 4
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# [10:13] <glandium> anyways, updated. thanks Jesse
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# [10:29] <kwierso> glandium: should that be "the pointer lives in the .data" instead of "the pointer leaves in the .data"?
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# [10:34] <Jesse> oh you said "This also doesn’t only apply to strings, it applies to any kind of global pointer to constants.", which answers my question
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# [11:13] <glandium> Jesse: anything that is not static or hidden is exported
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# [11:24] <darktrojan> what decides if the child of an accessible element is also accessible?
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# [11:48] <NeilAway> note to self: apply patch before rebuilding
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# [12:13] <Unfocused> darktrojan: afaict, it depends on the accessible type - some types are expected to be containers
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# [12:14] * @roc wonders if it was necessary to land incremental GC with all the patches folded into one giant patch
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# [12:14] <darktrojan> I tried poking around with the accessible classes, but at 5 minutes to link, I didn't try very hard
# [12:15] <Unfocused> heh
# [12:16] <Unfocused> i saw the code somewhere the other day.. lemme see if i can find it again
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# [12:16] <darktrojan> on a scale of 1 to "no not ever" how opposed are you to my original solution?
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# [12:17] <Unfocused> it's pretty up there...
# [12:17] <darktrojan> because the other way is going to require some a11y hacking to make it work
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# [12:17] <darktrojan> and I don't want to do that :(
# [12:17] <Unfocused> :\ how come?
# [12:17] <darktrojan> well it works fine with the checkbox and text types
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# [12:18] <darktrojan> the rest... not so well
# [12:19] <darktrojan> http://i.imgur.com/6OnGl.png this is as good as I've got so far, and that includes a a11y hack
# [12:19] <darktrojan> the highlighted ones are the ones that need to not be there
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# [12:20] <darktrojan> (also what happens when I decide to fix it so the checkbox can have a label on both sides of it?)
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# [12:20] <@smaug> edmorley: going to merge m-i to m-c soon?
# [12:20] <edmorley> smaug: yeah, was just eyeing it up :-)
# [12:21] * @smaug wants to test incGC
# [12:21] <edmorley> I cut the merge last night before incremental, to at least make the m-c nightly builds a little more helpful for regression finding
# [12:22] <@smaug> makes sense
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# [12:24] <edmorley> (and the imminent Nightly already has 160 csets, whereas tomorrow's will be a lot quieter)
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# [12:26] <darktrojan> that is a good reason not to do automated merges
# [12:28] <Unfocused> darktrojan: i'm gonna need to look at this when i'm in less of a zombie state...
# [12:29] <darktrojan> heh
# [12:29] <darktrojan> fair enough
# [12:31] <Unfocused> can you put up your wip?
# [12:32] <Unfocused> may not get to it til monday though, my brain is fried after this week
# [12:32] <darktrojan> uh, yeah
# [12:33] <darktrojan> hacks ahoy
# [12:33] <Unfocused> that's why it's called a work in progress ;)
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# [12:35] <darktrojan> I've decided to get rid of the horrible description hack too, eventually
# [12:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/eb82a1f48671 - ffxbld - Automated blocklist update from host linux-ix-slave14
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# [12:39] <NeilAway> darktrojan: cached xhtml today - it's been a good week for me :-)
# [12:40] <darktrojan> I don't think I've seen one yet, but I don't look every time
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# [12:41] <darktrojan> oh look, there's one now (funny that)
# [12:41] <darktrojan> and I think from a server that gave me text/html the other day
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# [12:43] <NeilAway> glandium: have you seen nsGlobalWindowCommands.cpp ?
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# [12:43] <glandium> NeilAway: nice
# [12:44] <glandium> typical example of what not to do :)
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# [12:45] <@smaug> I wonder if NS_LITERAL_STRING behaves ok
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# [12:48] <glandium> smaug: iirc NS_LITERAL_STRING always has pointers, because it's an nsString
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# [12:51] <deLta30_> mounir: ping
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# [12:57] <NeilAway> glandium: so, what's your recommendation in that particular case?
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# [12:58] <glandium> NeilAway: static const char []
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# [13:02] <mounir> deLta30_: pong
# [13:02] <deLta30_> how can I call a method in nsHTMLInputElement from nsFileControlFrame?
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# [13:04] <mounir> deLta30: you can use mContent
# [13:05] <mounir> deLta30: nsHTMLInputElement* inputElement =
# [13:05] <mounir> nsHTMLInputElement::FromContent(mContent);
# [13:06] <NeilAway> glandium: and is there an easy way (either Windows or Linux) to tell how much the savings are, other than comparing files sizes of the object/library?
# [13:07] <deLta30> mounir: ok, i tried mContent
# [13:07] <glandium> NeilAway: not that i know of.
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# [13:09] <@smaug> I need to write a script which ensures that whenever I'm compiling, I don't use the slowcpu setting
# [13:10] <@smaug> building FF when CPU is running 800Mhz takes some time
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# [13:12] <@smaug> um, javascript.options.mem.log is getting noisy
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# [13:16] <NeilAway> glandium: indeed, the new .o file is now 5644 bytes larger...
# [13:16] <@smaug> What does MMU mean with incremental GC
# [13:18] <glandium> NeilAway: larger?
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# [13:21] <glandium> NeilAway: note that object files have different characteristics, may have many more relocations, etc. so the difference can be higher in a .o than in the final binary
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# [13:46] <NeilAway> glandium: yeah, all I did was to change those declarations
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# [13:51] <NeilAway> glandium: ah, now on the other hand, using #define reduces the size by 1448 from the original
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# [14:28] <glandium> NeilAway: you should really compare the size of stripped libxul.so instead of the .o
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# [14:40] <NeilAway> bah, all those intermediate .desc files that I need to rebuild...
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# [15:10] <NeilAway> glandium: stripped size is identical (comparing original with #define)
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# [15:27] <glandium> NeilAway: yeah, in fact, i'm not surprised because 1. they are hidden visibility (we build with -fvisibility=hidden) and 2. the pointer being const makes the compiler optimize the accesses
# [15:31] <glandium> NeilAway: as for the size difference you saw, it's because of debugging symbols
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# [16:14] <NeilAway> glandium: actually this is a debug build, but maybe the linker is optimising away the unused symbols anyway?
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# [16:17] <glandium> NeilAway: most likely, yes
# [16:17] <glandium> since they are hidden, it can
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# [16:57] <vikash> hi Everyone, I was going through GSoC 2012, brain storm page and wanted to know more on Slide Drive Improvements
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# [16:58] <vikash> and Networking Dashboard
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# [17:06] <vikash> in Slide Drive, what all things are needed?
# [17:06] <Octayn> What is Slide Drive?
# [17:07] <vikash> Octayn, a combination of deck.js and popcornjs
# [17:07] <vikash> to make slideshow, presentations etc
# [17:07] <Octayn> Ah
# [17:09] <vikash> Octayn, do you have any idea on the project "Networking Dashboard"
# [17:10] <Octayn> vikash: no
# [17:11] <vikash> np
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# [17:17] <Bas> I really wonder why tbpl tries to communicate with www.google.com
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# [17:17] <edmorley> Bas: sheriff calendar (the one that no-one uses any more)
# [17:17] <edmorley> aiui
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# [17:18] <edmorley> "Tree Info" -> "Current sheriff: <foo>" etc
# [17:18] <RyanVM> edmorley: I reported the win64 failure in #build
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# [17:18] <lurking_work> tree-info sheriff points to google
# [17:18] <lurking_work> bleh, too late :)
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# [17:19] <edmorley> RyanVM: thank you :-) That error sometimes shows up for needs-clobber situs as well (helpful I know), so have clobbered in case that fixes it without less drastic measures being needed
# [17:19] <edmorley> more, even
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# [17:20] <Callek> RyanVM: we care about win64?
# [17:20] * Callek ducks
# [17:20] <RyanVM> Bas: So bug 651192 is pretty close?
# [17:20] <RyanVM> Callek: Some day, maybe...
# [17:21] <Callek> or maybe not if Metro does as it seems it will do
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# [17:23] <RyanVM> Callek: The first step would be running tests on Win64 at least
# [17:24] <Callek> RyanVM: wrong, thats step 2; the first step is deciding we actually care about w64
# [17:24] <RyanVM> the impression I got was that win64 support was planned once a stub installer was created
# [17:25] <Bas> RyanVM: It's getting close, yes.
# [17:25] <RyanVM> Bas: sweet! :)
# [17:25] <RyanVM> lots of good stuff happening with plugins lately
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# [17:25] <Bas> RyanVM: Yeah, we're working closely with Adobe on this one.
# [17:25] <RyanVM> (ironic as the browser keeps moving away from them, though)
# [17:26] <Bas> RyanVM: The browser can do all they want.. as long as the users don't :P
# [17:26] <RyanVM> Callek: I'm getting close to making homebrew x64 builds. Kinda waiting for pdf.js integration.
# [17:26] <RyanVM> Bas: Yeah, the no-plugin nirvana is still a long ways off
# [17:26] <RyanVM> but I'm getting close to the point of only having Flash installed
# [17:27] <RyanVM> been asking myself recently why I even have JRE installed
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# [17:27] <RyanVM> can't recall the last time I was on a site that needed it (other than a work intranet site)
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# [17:28] <Bas> RyanVM: I don't have flash installed on my actual browsing box, I wouldn't know what I'd need it for, I use the internet for reading scientific articles, skype and playing high-end games that Flash or HTML5/JS won't be running for a decent while :P
# [17:28] <RyanVM> I've never attempted browsing w/ Flash disabled to see how much I'd miss it
# [17:29] <RyanVM> I guess with Youtube serving up webm now, that'd be a big chunk
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# [17:31] <Bas> RyanVM: I have no idea why I'd ever visit youtube :p
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# [17:31] <RyanVM> now async plugin support requires vendor buy-in as well, right?
# [17:31] <Bas> RyanVM: The one downside is I also block all google IP ranges. And some sides can load slow figuring out they can't reach google's tracking stuff :p
# [17:31] <Bas> RyanVM: Yes.
# [17:31] <RyanVM> so landing on trunk won't automagically make things work until Flash is updated
# [17:31] <@smaug> ah, better to not activate about:jank when running on battery
# [17:31] <@smaug> it kills battery very fast
# [17:32] <Bas> RyanVM: Indeed.
# [17:32] <RyanVM> is that something they're doing in the 11.2 betas or don't you know?
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# [17:32] <Bas> RyanVM: Sadly I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to say on the subject.
# [17:32] <Bas> Sorry
# [17:32] <chewey> RyanVM: Unfortunately, Flash in the case of youtube uses less CPU than webm at the same resolution. In my case, that's the difference between fan off and on.
# [17:33] <RyanVM> Bas: OK
# [17:33] <RyanVM> didn't realize it was a state secret :P
# [17:33] <Bas> RyanVM You know how companies like Adobe work ;)
# [17:34] <RyanVM> yeah, the Adobe Labs 11.2 page at least doesn't say anything about it
# [17:35] <Bas> RyanVM: It's in a pretty early stage, they've just started experimenting with it.
# [17:35] <RyanVM> gotcha
# [17:35] <RyanVM> doesn't sound like an 11.2 feature then
# [17:35] <RyanVM> since I think that's getting pretty close to release
# [17:35] <Bas> We're also delivering a HW-accelerated surface varient soon, our initial implementation is a software bitmap version only.
# [17:35] <Bas> RyanVM: Yup :)
# [17:36] <RyanVM> what's the potential for perf impact?
# [17:36] <RyanVM> how significant?
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# [17:36] <Bas> RyanVM: Pretty big
# [17:36] <RyanVM> even on d2d systems?
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# [17:37] <bkero> somehow mplayer/ffmpeg can decode those streams and play them at trivial cpu, even compared to webm/flv adobe rendering
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# [17:38] <Bas> RyanVM: Especially on D2D systems.
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# [17:38] <RyanVM> nice
# [17:38] <edmorley> ha google search is retro post UA change
# [17:40] <RyanVM> time to try out IGC
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# [17:40] <RyanVM> i should do a try push to see if JS PGO magically fixed itself too
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# [17:44] <RyanVM> Bas: thanks for the info, interesting stuff
# [17:44] <RyanVM> you planning to go back to Azure stuff once it lands?
# [17:44] <Bas> RyanVM: That's the plan :)
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# [17:44] <Bas> Busy busy busy :P
# [17:44] <RyanVM> nice
# [17:44] <RyanVM> pays to be the resident d2d expert :P
# [17:44] <Bas> RyanVM: I'm going to Toronto a little next months to hopefully get that seriously back on the rails again :)
# [17:45] <RyanVM> good, I had to disable it on my Intel laptop
# [17:45] <Bas> RyanVM: My next plan is updating to D2D 1.1 (developer preview Windows 8, and I'm guessing it will come to Windows 7 in the near future)
# [17:45] <RyanVM> made things unusable
# [17:45] <Bas> RyanVM: Which bugs in particular? I fixed a couple.
# [17:45] <RyanVM> just a sec
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# [17:46] <RyanVM> Bas: bug 717457 and bug 717460 are the ones I reported
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# [17:48] <RyanVM> Bas: I've tried re-enabling it periodically, but the same issues persist
# [17:48] <RyanVM> haven't tried it on my desktop with nvidia graphics
# [17:48] <Bas> RyanVM: Interesting, any indication of OO GPU memory when that gmail inbox bug happened?
# [17:48] <@smaug> edmorley: do you happen to know to which Nightly incGC ended up
# [17:48] <@smaug> if I push now a patch, will it be in the Nightly after that Nightly which has incgc
# [17:49] <RyanVM> Bas: I don't think so? The rest of the system was behaving fine.
# [17:49] <RyanVM> but with shared gpu memory, don't know how I'd check that
# [17:49] <Bas> ryanvm: Hard to say, hrm, ok. ProcessExplorer might have nice data.
# [17:49] <edmorley> smaug: it's on m-c now but (deliberately) missed the Nightly, so will be in tomorrow's
# [17:49] * @smaug doesn't know how to check when Nightly builds are created
# [17:49] <@smaug> ok
# [17:49] <RyanVM> Bas: I'll give that a shot at some point. If it turns up anything interesting, I'll update the bug.
# [17:50] <edmorley> smaug: Nightlys are generated ~3am MVT from whatever push is green, TBPL shows "N" builds next to that push, so you can see where it ended up being taken from
# [17:50] <Bas> RyanVM: Thanks!
# [17:50] <@smaug> Ah, N is the key
# [17:50] <edmorley> smaug: pushing a patch now will mean inc+that patch are both first 'seen' in the same Nightly
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# [17:51] <Bas> RyanVM: Sluggishness is nice to know, but not unexpected, if only I had a machine that repro'd it I could try and profile, sadly Talos doesn't seem affected -at all- by Azure.
# [17:51] <@smaug> edmorley: so 550779e6bab4 is Nightly
# [17:51] <edmorley> smaug: yeah
# [17:51] <@smaug> What is Nr ?
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# [17:51] <RyanVM> Bas: Maybe in Toronto. Pretty sure there are devs with Intel laptops
# [17:51] <edmorley> RPM build iirc
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# [17:52] <edmorley> smaug: I could trigger a manual Nightly set on tip now if that helps?
# [17:52] <Bas> RyanVM:
# [17:52] <Bas> Yeah
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# [17:52] <edmorley> smaug: it will still give regression-range finders an easy before/after
# [17:53] <RyanVM> Bas: I said 3 hours in my original report, but I've seen it in much shorter times than that as well.
# [17:53] <RyanVM> so it shouldn't be too hard to reproduce
# [17:53] <edmorley> smaug: and mean you can land your patch in 20 mins rather than having to wait 16-18 hours
# [17:54] <Bas> Hrm, does anyone kow if on OS X64, it's possible to have a 32-bit plugin with a 64-bit host?
# [17:54] <RyanVM> Bas: I believe so
# [17:55] <RyanVM> since the universal build includes both
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# [17:55] <Bas> Heh, I finally figured out my crash then :)
# [17:55] <Bas> Not good sending over a uintptr_t across processes in that case :p
# [17:55] <Bas> They won't agree on the size :)
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# [17:57] <edmorley> Can someone with Google contacts please get them to escalate bug 651674, since it means Google search is partially broken in today's Nightly
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# [18:04] <bholley> edmorley: morning!
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# [18:24] <BenWa|away> glandium++: Nice blog post on wasting space with string pointers
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# [18:47] <qDot> Huh, yeah, neat. glandium++
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# [18:55] <Bas> I love how insecure the sample passwords of the ldap system are :P
# [18:56] <mwu> because they're not long enough? or impossible to memorize?
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# [19:02] <reuben> is google using a fallback UI on nightly?
# [19:03] * reuben is seeing http://cl.ly/EL2w
# [19:03] <@smaug> looks like the nice old UI
# [19:04] <reuben> yea, completely broken here… http://cl.ly/EJfz
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# [19:05] <reuben> "oops, we accidentally deployed the 2008 site"
# [19:05] <graememcc> reuben: bug 651674
# [19:06] <reuben> ugh
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# [19:17] <igor> I want to define a function to dump some info about an object when debugging. But it seems the linker optimizes it away on Linux. Any tricks to preserve it?
# [19:18] <@khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/src/nsXPConnect.cpp#2845
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# [19:54] <mccr8> Anybody else having trouble getting Zimbra to load on Nightly? It gives me a 500 error. Works fine on Aurora.
# [19:57] <Mook> mccr8: https://bugzilla.zimbra.com/show_bug.cgi?id=70005 ?
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# [19:58] <mccr8> Mook: Thanks, I'll look at it. This is on OSX, though. And it worked just yesterday. ;)
# [19:58] <Mook> it's 500 based on the Gecko/ date string turning into a version number, or something like that
# [19:58] <edmorley> mccr8: UA change?
# [19:58] <mccr8> must be...
# [19:59] <edmorley> \o/
# [19:59] <Mook> (also: I don't even have access to your zimbra instance! IRC idling ftw)
# [19:59] <mccr8> hah. thanks.
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# [20:12] <edmorley> Hi :-)
# [20:12] <RyanVM> edmorley: Those test_fullscreen_api.html failures seem to be different from bug 690989 or bug 726540. These look like actual crashes.
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# [20:14] <edmorley> RyanVM: ah true
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# [20:14] <edmorley> serves me right for trying to multi-task :-)
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# [20:14] <RyanVM> Looks like a linux/osx only failure
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# [20:17] <edmorley> join the club :-)
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# [20:18] <RyanVM> wouldn't be so bad if tbpl could actually figure out how to find the relevant bugs
# [20:19] <RyanVM> Would also be nice if tbpl commented on the bugs when one is manually entered instead of only when it finds it on its own
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# [20:43] <kwierso> heh, and now yammer's down?
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# [20:46] <kwierso> ah, "scheduled maintenance"
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# [20:53] <RyanVM> edmorley: same failure again
# [20:53] <RyanVM> time for a new bug methinks
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# [21:26] <RyanVM> *sigh* OK, I'm doing something dumb here. Can someone help me with setting up SSH for push access?
# [21:27] <RyanVM> I'm on a different computer than my regular one and don't remember the steps
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# [21:27] <RyanVM> I have my id_rsa in ~/.ssh, but I get the following when I connect
# [21:27] <RyanVM> remote: Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-with-mic).
# [21:27] <RyanVM> abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
# [21:27] <derf> Did you set your User, also?
# [21:27] <RyanVM> yes, in .ssh/config
# [21:28] <tbsaunde> RyanVM: are the permissions on the key correct?
# [21:28] <RyanVM> Host hg.mozilla.org
# [21:28] <RyanVM> User <ryanvm@gmail.com>
# [21:28] <RyanVM> AFAIK?
# [21:28] <derf> I don't think you need the < >'s.
# [21:28] <RyanVM> omfg
# [21:28] <RyanVM> hah
# [21:28] <RyanVM> FAIL
# [21:28] <RyanVM> thanks :)
# [21:28] <derf> Yer welcome.
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# [21:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e06ab2cf18b8 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 728541. (Av1) browser_bug703210.js: Add a missing removeEventListener(). r=smaug.
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# [22:22] <kaie> did someone shut off tinderbox? bug 728556
# [22:23] <kaie> firebot bug 728556
# [22:23] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728556 cri, --, ---, server-ops-devservices, NEW, NSS Tinderboxes no longer showing any build slave results
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# [22:36] <infinity0> hey guys, how do i get the ABI string from a Makefile?
# [22:36] <infinity0> i can see "Linux_x86_64-gcc3" in my libxul.so but i dunno how to extract it
# [22:36] <infinity0> it's not in any of the headers i have installed
# [22:36] <infinity0> i can write a c++ program to do it, but it's tedious and long
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# [22:37] <@khuey> $(TARGET_XPCOM_ABI)
# [22:38] <infinity0> khuey: yeah, how do i set that?
# [22:38] <infinity0> it's not set automatically already is it?
# [22:38] <infinity0> i mean, inside an extension sorry
# [22:38] <@khuey> it's set by the build system
# [22:38] <infinity0> i'm not hacking on firefox itself, but a 3rd party extension
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# [22:38] <@khuey> does your extension drop into our build system?
# [22:39] <infinity0> i don't think so... it doesn't use mozilla source directly, only the headers installed as part of a debian package xulrunner-dev
# [22:39] <@khuey> ah
# [22:39] <infinity0> i'm currently using a variation of this http://www.gnu-darwin.org/www001/ports-1.5a-CURRENT/mail/moztraybiff/work/mozTrayBiff-1.2.2/components/xulAppInfo.cpp.html
# [22:39] <infinity0> but was wondering if there's a neater way
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# [22:39] <jhford> did the firefox ua change last night?
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# [22:39] <jhford> google is reverting to some old results page
# [22:40] <@khuey> yes, it's known
# [22:40] <@khuey> infinity0: I don't think there is a neater way at the moment
# [22:40] <infinity0> :(
# [22:40] <@khuey> we could probably add one
# [22:40] <infinity0> ok, thanks for the help anyways
# [22:41] <infinity0> oh, yeah that'd be useful
# [22:41] <infinity0> i saw the string in libxul.so, so i thought there would be a way to get it programmatically
# [22:41] <jhford> khuey: the results page issue?
# [22:41] <@khuey> jhford: yes
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# [22:42] <infinity0> also, is the "registrar->AutoRegister(" bit really necessary? if i comment that out the program still works
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# [22:43] <@khuey> infinity0: not sure
# [22:43] * edmorley changes topic to 'Google retro search look due to UA change, see bug 651674 || m-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: 13th March || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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# [22:47] <@khuey> infinity0: bug 728600
# [22:47] <infinity0> khuey: aha thanks a lot!
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# [23:12] <IanN> is there IPv6 testing infrastructure available at Mozilla?
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# [23:28] <lurking> bmo has been intermittently slow for weeks
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# [23:55] <Matti> only since 12years
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# [23:56] <@khuey> IanN: probably
# [23:56] <@khuey> IanN: I'd talk to the necko folks
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# [23:59] <ericjung> !seen biesi
# [23:59] <firebot> biesi was last seen 22 hours, 57 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying 'well time to board' in #foxymonkies.
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