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# Session Start: Mon Feb 20 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:05] <rnewman> WG9s: I came to the same conclusion
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# [00:06] <rnewman> been using a trackball left-handed, and a touchpad between the two halves of my keyboard, for 8 years now
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# [00:06] <rnewman> my right wrist and hand are permanently damaged when compared to my left, but at least I'm pain-free
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# [00:09] <WG9s> well i had this issue before and recoginized it early so hopefully I have averted anything permanent. has only been a reall issue this past week.
# [00:09] <WG9s> and actually did not even start with a mouse type issue.
# [00:10] <WG9s> hapend when i fell aspleep with my arm kind of hanigning off the side of the bed in an odd position.
# [00:10] <WG9s> so the shole are hurt.
# [00:10] <WG9s> nwo only the wrist.
# [00:11] <heycam> huh, since when has Google put a bit "Install Google Chrome" button on their front page when viewing with Firefox?
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# [00:11] <heycam> (I guess I don't often go to the Google front page itself that often)
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# [00:13] <WG9s> heycam:One would thing, that based on our new renewed agreement with that , such things would not happen. Just a thought! ;-)
# [00:14] <Octayn> it'd be nice if about:support's "Copy to clipboard" button did memory usage
# [00:14] <Octayn> Or if there was a way to do that from about:memory
# [00:15] <WG9s> I think a way to do that form about :memeory would probably be beter
# [00:15] <Octayn> Yeah
# [00:15] <WG9s> to do that if it was a memeory usage issue
# [00:15] <WG9s> but then you might need the rest of about support:also in a memory usage issue.
# [00:15] <WG9s> hmm
# [00:16] <WG9s> byybe adn inlcude memeory useage in the copy about:support to clipboard.
# [00:16] <WG9s> so a choice thing
# [00:16] <Unfocused> WG9s: fwiw, most of my wrist issues come from sleeping with my wrists bent (bad sleeping habit i've had since i was a kid). using a wrist brace with a built-in splint at night works wonders for me, when i know i'm having issues
# [00:16] <Octayn> Maybe a checkbox next to all the about: links?
# [00:16] <Octayn> If checked, include their contents
# [00:17] <WG9s> Unfocused: for some odd reason I have been folling aleep with my arm hanign off the bed and kind of rolled over on top of it so that all circulation to my arm is cut off.
# [00:17] <WG9s> I have no idea what this is about or why it is sudenly the way I sleep.
# [00:18] <WG9s> suddenly
# [00:18] <Unfocused> ah :\
# [00:18] <Octayn> Anyone know if this would be a good bug for a beginner? I'd love to take a gander at it.
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# [00:19] <Unfocused> Octayn: that sounds do-able for a beginner. do you know if there's an existing bug for that?
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# [00:20] <squib> isn't about:memory already designed to be easy to copy and paste?
# [00:20] <Octayn> Unfocused: looking now
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# [00:20] <Octayn> Unfocused: not seeing one
# [00:20] <Unfocused> squib: that's the reasoning for it's ugliness, yes
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# [00:21] <Unfocused> but it's still a pain to select it all
# [00:21] <Octayn> squib: with the new collapsable things it's a pain
# [00:21] <Octayn> A button would be so easier
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# [00:23] <Unfocused> Octayn: file a bug in Toolkit :: about:memory
# [00:25] <Unfocused> and try taking a stab at it :) about:support should have similar code to help you
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# [00:30] <darktrojan> firebot, bug 633640
# [00:30] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=633640 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Need 48x48 and 64x64 sized versions of the default add-on icons
# [00:30] <darktrojan> Unfocused, any progress on this ^?
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# [00:33] <WG9s> darktrojan: well my question swould be, do we really need this, or is this just another case of a we need to scale iamges in a better way.
# [00:33] <darktrojan> no, we need this
# [00:33] <WG9s> so that we really don't need things in different resolutions because scaling them looks better.
# [00:34] <Unfocused> scaling images up doesn't look too great :)
# [00:34] <WG9s> Yes under linus i bet becuase we have the scaling that looks good disabled becuase it is slower.
# [00:35] <WG9s> but maybe that means we just need 64x64 and let it scale down?
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# [00:35] <Unfocused> darktrojan: one of us will need to ping either Boriss or shorlander (probably shorlander, since he's working on a visual refresh). but yes, that does need fixed
# [00:35] <WG9s> s/linus/linux/
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# [00:36] <WG9s> this has been an issue since at least Firefox version 3
# [00:36] <Unfocused> WG9s: i'd rather just have pixel-perfect images at the right size. it doesn't cost us much
# [00:37] <WG9s> The problem under Linux is that we are trying to use the theme defined icons
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# [00:37] <WG9s> which are defined at like 24x24 and sometimes at 64x64
# [00:37] <WG9s> so for the ones we define we could define all the sizes
# [00:38] <WG9s> for the ones where we are tyring to use what you chose fro system icons under Linux then kind of confined to scaling them.
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# [00:38] <Unfocused> WG9s: uh, no we're not. not for the extension manager icons
# [00:38] <Octayn> Unfocused: Where in the source tree should I look for this?
# [00:38] <WG9s> Unfocused: Oh well then for those no reason not to fix.
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# [00:39] <Unfocused> Octayn: about:memory's page is here: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/aboutmemory/content/
# [00:40] <Unfocused> and about:support's page is here: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/
# [00:40] <Octayn> Thanks
# [00:40] <Unfocused> n/p
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# [00:42] <Octayn> So, should I try to add a button to about:memory for copying, or try and add checkboxes in about:support for adding additional information from those about: pages?
# [00:44] <Unfocused> Octayn: i'd go for adding a button to about:memory
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# [00:45] <Unfocused> but i'm not the owner of that code :) njn might be the one to talk to about that
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# [00:46] <darktrojan> do you fancy fixing the 'open directory' button on about:support while you're at it? ;-)
# [00:46] <njn> Octayn: what's up?
# [00:46] <darktrojan> (ok, so I know it's not the button's fault)
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# [00:47] <kwierso> darktrojan: whoa, when did the "Open Containing Folder" button's text change to "Show Folder"?
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# [00:47] <darktrojan> no idea
# [00:48] <Unfocused> probably right after someone from UX noticed the horrible wording
# [00:48] <darktrojan> I wouldn't say right after, it probably sat unfixed for a few months first
# [00:48] <darktrojan> :)
# [00:48] <Unfocused> heh
# [00:48] <Octayn> njn: I think it'd be useful to either have a "Copy to clipboard" button in about:memory like there is in about:support, or add in checkboxes to about:support under "Application basics" to include memory from the linked about: pages
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# [00:49] <WG9s> But more precisely explaining what it was going to do wording.
# [00:49] <WG9s> even if you think it is horrible
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# [00:49] <njn> Octayn: you can cut and paste about:memory with ctrl-a/ctrl-c
# [00:50] <WG9s> I have now idea if i have selected a file what show folder might actually mean. seems rather meaningless actually.
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# [00:50] <Unfocused> "open the current profile's containing folder in your registered file manager application to show it's contents" would not have been an improvement, but is more precise
# [00:50] <Octayn> njn: With things being collapsable, that becomes less useful
# [00:51] <WG9s> perhaps we need to get the UX people hooked up with a grammar school English teacher. ;-)
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# [00:51] <edmorley> kwierso: bug 559501
# [00:51] <njn> Octayn: why is that?
# [00:52] <Octayn> njn: having to expand all the segments rather than clicking a single button
# [00:53] <njn> Octayn: click on the "more verbose" link at the bottom or visit about:memory?verbose
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# [00:53] <Octayn> njn: The same segments are collapsed there too. RSS, PSS, etc
# [00:53] <edmorley> ahhh so close! https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&onlyunstarred=1&rev=bb287a09bdc5
# [00:53] <edmorley> bad android!
# [00:54] <njn> Octayn: oh those ones, yes. so you need to click four times, once per tree. Those trees only exist on Linux, BTW
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# [00:54] <Octayn> Ah
# [00:54] <njn> Octayn: they're only rarely useful, hence the collapse-by-default even in verbose mode
# [00:54] <Octayn> Right
# [00:54] <@khuey> firebot: 0x55555555?
# [00:54] <firebot> khuey: 0x55555555 is MallocScribble (Fill deallocated memory), http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2004/tn2124.html
# [00:54] <njn> whoa
# [00:55] <@khuey> firebot: botsnack
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# [00:55] <Octayn> njn: So with a button in about:memory being pretty much useless, what do you think about checkboxes in about:support?
# [00:56] <njn> Octayn: what would the button do?
# [00:56] <njn> Octayn: er, the checkboxes?
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# [00:57] <Octayn> njn: next to, say, the about:memory link and the about:plugins link, if checked it would include those items when clicking "Copy all to clipboard"
# [00:57] <Octayn> (Wouldn't be too useful with about:crashes)
# [00:57] <cpearce> tn: re your comment in bug 708553, how do we send a mousemove when our window size changes? using nsIWidget::SynthesizeNativeMouseEvent()? And how do we get the mouse position? Using platform specific APIs?
# [00:58] <njn> Octayn: doesn't seem like much of a win, and about:support and about:memory are separate pieces of code, so integrating them like this would be difficult
# [00:58] <njn> Octayn: I guess you're trying to create a "one click gets all possible info" button?
# [00:58] <Octayn> njn: Yeah, kinda
# [00:58] <tn> cpearce, good question. from looking at the description of SynthesizeNativeMouseEvent it doesn't sound like what we want
# [00:59] <cpearce> yeah... ;)
# [00:59] <kwierso> about:kitchensink ?
# [00:59] <tn> cpearce, so i think we'd have to use platform specific APIs to get the current mouse position maybe
# [00:59] <tn> cpearce, we could track the last mouse move on the widget level, but thats just duplicating the tracking we do on presshell
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# [01:01] <WG9s> kwierso: hmm I brought that up last week. Funny because not sure anyone has mentioned it in years.
# [01:03] <tn> cpearce, GetMessagePos/GetCurrentPos on windows get the mouse pos
# [01:03] <cpearce> tn: if we added an API to each of the the nsBaseWidget subclasses to return the mouse position, could we dispatch the mouse event in nsWebShellWindows's SIZEMODE handler?
# [01:04] <kaie> glandium, thank you. I will try to add it.
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# [01:07] <tn> cpearce, to fully fix this bug we'd want to handle moves as well, no? although that is a lot less important
# [01:08] <cpearce> tn: yeah I guess so.
# [01:08] <cpearce> tn: or maybe we should call into the presshell from the nsWebShellWindow's SIZEMODE (and NS_MOVE) handler to tell it the mouse coords and let that update the preshsell's mouse coords and dispatch any required events from there.
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# [01:12] <tn> cpearce, hmm. i suppose we could also make the presshell handle window sizes/position changes and ask the widget for the current mouse pos and then do its thing
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# [01:15] <tn> cpearce, i'm not sure whats the best/right way to do it
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# [01:16] <cpearce> tn: ok, I'll have a look and figure out what works for a start.
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# [01:32] <tn> cpearce, size/move events may not get to the presshell right now, nsWindow::DispatchEvent or nsViewManager::DispatchEvent may not pass them on, fyi
# [01:35] <bkero> I sure wish http://soundcloud.com/dachip/digital-love-sabrepulse worked in my browser
# [01:36] <bkero> I wonder if it's because the html5 audio content is in mp3
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# [01:51] <@dolske> I just get flash.
# [01:54] <@dolske> ah. http://blog.soundcloud.com/2012/01/26/html5-widget/
# [01:54] <@dolske> mp3 only, with flash fallback.
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# [02:00] <bkero> No mp3 decoder in firefox due to MPEGLA I'm betting :(
# [02:02] <@dolske> it's indeed still not free to redistribute.
# [02:02] <@dolske> patents, though istr they expire in a couple of years.
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# [02:03] <ewongemb> I've compiled firefox for the first time today, and got myself assigned this bug (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724841), then realized I have no idea where to start looking in the source. I'm guessing somewhere under mozilla-central/browser. Can anyone confirm/deny? Thanks.
# [02:03] <@dolske> or not, cursory wikipedia glance says "2017"
# [02:04] <ewongemb> The bug has to do with the Location Bar.
# [02:04] <kbrosnan> ewongemb: there or toolkit
# [02:05] <ewongemb> kbrosnan: Ok, thanks
# [02:06] <ewongemb> Do you think it will be javascript code or C++ code?
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# [02:08] <@smaug> ewongemb: I would be surprised if it was C++
# [02:09] <kbrosnan> yeah
# [02:09] <ewongemb> Before downloading firefox source, I had no idea firefox uses so much javascript code
# [02:11] <Yosinof> hi! I'm looking for projects to start with in this page https://github.com/mozilla, but i don't know the process to get involved in the project that i choose. if you know some tutorial or something that teach how. I would appreciate it. thanks in advantage.
# [02:11] <ewongemb> Is that what SpiderMonkey is? A javascript engine that the C++ core uses to do UI among other things?
# [02:13] <kbrosnan> spidermonkey is c/c++ javascript compiler
# [02:13] <ewongemb> Yosinof: I'm new and got started literally today. I just downloaded the firefox source and compiled it according to this: https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Simple_Firefox_build
# [02:13] <ewongemb> Yosinof: and then looked through bugzilla to find a firefox bug that interested me and looked easy to do.
# [02:14] <ewongemb> Yosinof: asked someone in #firefox to assign it to me and have been looking through the firefox code since, trying to figure things out.
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# [02:15] <Yosinof> <ewongemb>i read that too but there say that i have to have 2gb ram which i haven't. :( it's that really necessary?
# [02:16] <kwierso> ewongemb: might be worth posting in the bug, asking for a pointer from whoever assigned it to you on at least which file it would be in
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# [02:18] <ewongemb> Yosinof: I have 4GB RAM, Core2 quad Q9550. Took about 70 minutes to compile firefox. I can't say whether 2GB is strictly necessary, but it must say that for a reason.
# [02:18] <ewongemb> kwierso: thanks, I'll try that route if I don't get anywhere soon.
# [02:18] <kwierso> the linker can easily go over 3GB RAM. if you don't have that much, you'll spend a lot of time swapping to disk
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# [02:21] <Yosinof> <ewongemb> hahaha if with 4 gb took 70 min. then i have to let the computer on all night.
# [02:24] <njn> how do I delete a dev.m.o page I created by accident?
# [02:24] <njn> oh, I can move pages, cool
# [02:26] <edmorley> ewongemb: a good place to start is probably http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/search/nsSearchService.js
# [02:27] <Callek> ewongemb: you're multiplying
# [02:27] <Callek> unless you're a different ewong
# [02:27] <Callek> ;-)
# [02:27] <ewongemb> Callek: multiplying?
# [02:28] <kwierso> Callek: there's only four ewongs, now
# [02:28] <Callek> kwierso: 3 of them are the same person at least
# [02:28] <ewongemb> haha lol, i'm not any of them
# [02:28] <KaiRo> Callek: this one seems to be in a different country
# [02:28] <KaiRo> he has a pacbell.net host
# [02:29] <darktrojan> am I allowed to write snappy in the whiteboard of a bug myself?
# [02:30] <darktrojan> or is that someone's special task?
# [02:30] <Jesse> darktrojan: i think you're allowed to write [snappy] but not [snappy:p2]
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# [04:05] <newbie53> In case any of you presently/have ever worked tech support here's a good lol: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/425855_10150550215296135_512351134_9320619_236819792_n.jpg
# [04:05] <newbie53> Ack
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# [04:40] <espindola> ehsan_xchat, you might find http://video.ch9.ms/ch9/6206/8d17c664-55c8-4d6c-8fbc-9fd000166206/Day2KeynoteHerbSutter_high_ch9.mp4 interesting
# [04:40] <espindola> anyone else using msvc might too :-)
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# [04:46] <squib> does anyone know of a good/recommended way to generate a lot of similar CSS rules for an in-tree file? specifically, i want to autogenerate this: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/themes/qute/mail/tagColors.css
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# [05:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/561771f01881 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 718237. (Bv2) test_focus_autocomplete.xul: Skip this test on SeaMonkey ftb. r=surkov.alexander.
# [05:34] <@roc> anyone know what widget impl. Native Fennec uses?
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# [05:39] <Unfocused> roc: gonk
# [05:40] <Unfocused> er, wait, no, ignore me
# [05:40] <@roc> huh
# [05:40] <@roc> ok :-)
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# [05:49] <@khuey> so, here's a stupid question
# [05:49] <@khuey> what are my options for doing async i/o
# [05:49] <@khuey> if I'm already on a background thread?
# [05:50] <@khuey> everything I can think of off the top of my head uses Necko and has to be started from the main thread
# [05:52] <@dolske> fork a helper process. hth.
# [05:54] <biesi> not everything in necko requires main thread
# [05:54] <biesi> what kind of i/o are you looking for?
# [05:54] <@khuey> reading/writing files, mostly
# [05:55] <biesi> that doesn't require main thread
# [05:55] <biesi> that's just file streams and async stream copier, right?
# [05:55] <@khuey> mmm, maybe
# [05:55] <@khuey> I suppose as long as there are no URIs involved it doesn't
# [05:56] <@khuey> (require main thread)
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# [05:57] <biesi> right
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# [09:39] <jfkthame> glandium: inbound looks rather colourful :( -- are you backing out, by any chance?
# [09:40] <glandium> jfkthame: i'm fixing up, the problem is (fortunately) dumb enough
# [09:40] <jfkthame> ok, thanks!
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# [09:43] <glandium> it's amazing to see how we are fragile to one component having a syntax error
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# [09:53] <darktrojan> it's amazing to see the syntax errors some people push to the trees :-P
# [09:53] <nigelb> heh
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# [10:07] <glandium> darktrojan: i plead guilty. still, my point is still valid.
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# [10:08] <darktrojan> :)
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# [11:11] <dao> gerv: I've updated dwitte's patch for bug 572659 locally, building right now
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# [11:12] <gerv> OK. So what's your plan?
# [11:12] <gerv> Fix that,
# [11:12] <gerv> er...
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# [11:14] <dao> gerv: my plan is to get that patch reviewed once I've verified that it works
# [11:14] <gerv> Is that bug about making it "13" or making it "13.0"?
# [11:15] <dao> gerv: 13.0
# [11:15] <gerv> Right.
# [11:15] <gerv> "Only major version" is confusing in the title.
# [11:15] <gerv> Is this a correct summary?
# [11:15] <gerv> "Don't expose the Gecko patch level (13.X.Y) in the UA string, only show the major version (13.X)"
# [11:15] <dao> yeah, the second number is considered major too. third is for maintainance releases
# [11:15] <gerv> OK.
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# [11:16] <gerv> So if you fix that.,
# [11:16] <gerv> and bug 728797
# [11:16] <gerv> (a1/a2)
# [11:16] * Unfocused wonders how many sites that will break
# [11:17] <gerv> then Zimbra will work?
# [11:17] <dao> yes
# [11:17] <dao> bug 572659 automatically fixes bug 728797
# [11:17] <gerv> Do we have buy-in from e.g. QA for fixing bug 728797?
# [11:17] <gerv> Oh, I see.
# [11:18] <gerv> We are dropping a1/a2 from the Gecko token,
# [11:18] <gerv> but not from the Firefox token.
# [11:18] <dao> yep
# [11:18] <gerv> Or is it the rv: token?
# [11:18] <dao> both rv: and Gecko/
# [11:18] <gerv> Both.
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# [11:18] <dao> since they're technically the same
# [11:18] <gerv> Can we also get the build date onto about:support?
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# [11:18] <gerv> At the moment, the only place it's shown is in the UA string.
# [11:19] <dao> the Firefox token is technically separate
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# [11:19] <dao> the build date is in the about dialog. there's also about:buildconfig with the more accurate "Built from http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2271cb92cc05"
# [11:19] <gerv> Sure,
# [11:20] <gerv> but a lot of people use about:support as a single repository of useful support information.
# [11:20] <gerv> And it's there now already.
# [11:20] <gerv> Removing it is arguably a regression.
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# [11:20] <gerv> The hg rev might be more accurate, but it's less human readable.
# [11:20] <gerv> We could add both, I guess.
# [11:20] <dao> right, especially sumo depends on it. however, I don't think that's relevant for nightly users
# [11:20] <gerv> Built from <url> on <date>.
# [11:20] <dao> we can still add it to about:support, of course
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# [11:21] <gerv> I think we should;
# [11:21] <gerv> it'll remove one possible avenue of objection.
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# [11:21] <gerv> The fewer people we annoy doing this, the more likely it is to stick :-)
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# [11:22] <gerv> So anyway, you are going to put together a Zimbra-fixing patch based on those two bugs,
# [11:22] <gerv> and try and get it checked in today.
# [11:22] <gerv> Then, we are just left with Google.
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# [11:22] <dao> yep
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# [11:26] <gerv> Dao: is your ultimate plan that we should eliminate a1/a2 from all places? If so, who do you think we need to get buy-in from for that?
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# [11:26] <dao> gerv: I don't there's a need to eliminate it anywhere else
# [11:27] <gerv> So you want to leave it on Firefox but not on rv: or Gecko?
# [11:28] <gerv> hsivonen suggests that if the Firefox token is more specific than the others,
# [11:28] <gerv> then people may try and sniff it in preference.
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# [11:28] <gerv> Also, we have to explain the difference.
# [11:28] <dao> if by "all places" you mean the firefox token, then yes, I think we should remove it there
# [11:28] <gerv> Yes, that's what I mean.
# [11:28] <gerv> All places in the UA string.
# [11:28] <dao> but that doesn't need to block the immediate next step
# [11:28] <gerv> Sure.
# [11:29] <AutomatedTester> is there a way to see if incremental GC is on/off?
# [11:29] <gerv> But we should file a bug: "make UA string the same for all parts of a cycle"
# [11:29] <dao> AutomatedTester: about:support
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# [11:29] <gerv> and have that discussion there. Argue it based on "we should test what we are going to ship" and "now we have rapid releases, the need for distinguishing channels in the UA is much less, because we don't add features later in the cycle".
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# [11:32] <hsivonen> Are we going to keep .0 after Gecko/xy?
# [11:32] <hsivonen> what about Gecko/xy.0.1?
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# [11:45] <hsivonen> gerv: I have emailed again to the Google contacts to whom I already gave a heads-up about the UA string change in April 2011
# [11:45] <hsivonen> (but apparently it lead to no action at Google because of our indecisiveness of what exactly and when we were going to do)
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# [12:29] <nigelb> anyone on a mac see the new breakage on test pilot survey?
# [12:29] <nigelb> (Aurora)
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# [12:50] <darktrojan> who knows about chrome registration?
# [12:50] <Cwiiis> I'm stepping through how DOMFullscreen works, is anyone around that knows the code reasonably well?
# [12:51] <Archaeopteryx> darktrojan: mossop, Unfocused?
# [12:51] <Archaeopteryx> darktrojan: mfinkle would also be a good bet
# [12:51] <darktrojan> always the usual suspects
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# [12:52] <darktrojan> I'll just ask anyway
# [12:53] <darktrojan> I just got told the order of the locale lines in chrome.manifest matters, does it?
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# [12:54] <Unfocused> no idea
# [12:54] <Archaeopteryx> darktrojan: i know it matters for overlays
# [12:55] <Archaeopteryx> so if it's similar, lines read later can override previous ones
# [12:55] <AutomatedTester> dao: where do i see the incremental GC details in about:support?
# [12:55] <AutomatedTester> sorry, should have asked earlier
# [12:55] <dao> AutomatedTester: at the very bottom
# [12:56] <AutomatedTester> *sigh* the update lied to me
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# [12:57] <darktrojan> :o
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# [13:00] <mib_qph29w> pranavrc: please help me out to how to get started in contributing for mozilla and I want to apply for GSOC this year please give me suggestions for that too
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# [13:00] <AutomatedTester> dao: if I watch javascript.options.mem.gc_incremental can I see if it has been turned off?
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# [13:00] <AutomatedTester> dao: asking for this https://github.com/whimboo/memchaser/issues/66
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# [13:01] <Archaeopteryx> mib_qph29w: please read https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode12
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# [13:02] <Archaeopteryx> also read the brainstorming page, but of couse you can approach developers with your own idea
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# [13:07] <pranavrc> :/
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# [13:07] <pranavrc> random ping?
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# [13:07] <pranavrc> also
# [13:07] <pranavrc> mib_qph29w, what Archaeopteryx said
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# [13:19] <mib_qph29w> pranavrc: I have downloaded firefox source ,but the source code is a bit confusing for me for example when the firefox opens I want to display a alert box but where to write that code in source
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# [13:21] <paul> mib_qph29w: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser.js#1216
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# [13:28] <mib_qph29w> paul: Yah ,I have written the code in browser.js and compiled but i haven't seen the changes
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# [13:29] <edmorley> hmmm why does the automated blocklist update always seems to shuffle the file order around? makes the diff needlessly more convoluted
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# [13:29] <@smaug> mib_qph29w: what all did you compile
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# [13:31] <@smaug> (browser.js doesn't really need compilation, but 'make' can just run preprocessor and package the file to omni.jar)
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# [13:32] <mib_qph29w> smaug: I have issued the command ""make -f client.mk"
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# [13:34] <@smaug> that certainly is enough
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# [13:38] <mib_qph29w> smaug: I just wrote an alert message in src/browser/base/content/browser.js and issued the above command and ran obj-i686-pc-linux-gnu/dist/bin/firefox
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# [13:41] <@smaug> mib_qph29w: if I add alert("foo"); to function BrowserStartup() { and make -C <objdir>/browser/base
# [13:41] <@smaug> and run FF, I get alert
# [13:42] <@smaug> (make -f client.mk ends up making also browser/base, but it does also a lot more)
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# [13:42] <@smaug> mib_qph29w: are you running another instance of FF?
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# [13:43] <@smaug> mib_qph29w: if so, set first environment variable export MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1
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# [13:43] <mib_qph29w> smaug:yes I am running another instance
# [13:43] <darktrojan> I did not know you could do that with an env var
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# [13:44] <@smaug> and then run obj-i686-pc-linux-gnu/dist/bin/firefox -P
# [13:44] <@smaug> so that you can create a profile for testing
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# [13:44] <@smaug> darktrojan: IIRC the evnv variable support has been there always, and -no-remote was added later
# [13:45] <Octayn> heh
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# [13:45] <darktrojan> I was added later, so that's probably why I didn't know
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# [13:47] <mib_qph29w> smaug: may I know how to set that env var
# [13:47] <cers> mib_qph29w: execute the following in your console: export MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1
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# [13:51] <mib_qph29w> smaug: I have done all the steps you said but I didn't get the result
# [13:52] <pranavrc> mib_qph29w, this might sound trivial, but did you try it with sudo?
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# [13:52] <@smaug> sudo?
# [13:52] <pranavrc> I remember encountering such a thing
# [13:52] <@smaug> nothing there requires sudp
# [13:52] <@smaug> er
# [13:52] <@smaug> sudo
# [13:53] <@smaug> mib_qph29w: you created a new profile ?
# [13:53] <mib_qph29w> smaug: No I haven't use sudo
# [13:53] <mib_qph29w> smaug: No I haven't created a new profile
# [13:53] <@smaug> obj-i686-pc-linux-gnu/dist/bin/firefox -P
# [13:54] <@smaug> create a new profile
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# [13:54] <@smaug> then next time: obj-i686-pc-linux-gnu/dist/bin/firefox -P the_new_profile_name
# [13:54] <@smaug> assuming you have set MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 in that console
# [13:55] <@smaug> I guess obj-i686-pc-linux-gnu/dist/bin/firefox -no-remote -P the_new_profile_name works too
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# [13:56] <mib_qph29w> smaug: I am new to this ,will you tell me how to create a new profile
# [13:56] <@smaug> obj-i686-pc-linux-gnu/dist/bin/firefox -P
# [13:57] <mib_qph29w> smaug: yes , I issued the same command
# [13:57] <@smaug> assuming you have run export MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 in the console before that
# [13:57] <@smaug> obj-i686-pc-linux-gnu/dist/bin/firefox -no-remote -P is another option
# [13:58] <@smaug> -P option should open the profile manager
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# [13:58] <@smaug> and there you have "Create Profile...."
# [13:59] <mib_qph29w> smaug: thanks a lot smaug it works
# [14:01] <@smaug> np
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# [14:03] <mib_qph29w> smaug: can I propose an idea regarding an addons development in GSOC this year
# [14:04] <@smaug> IIRC there is a wiki page for GSoC proposals
# [14:04] <@smaug> gerv knows more about GSoC
# [14:04] <gerv> You rang, sir?
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# [14:05] <gerv> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode12:Brainstorming
# [14:05] <gerv> But please heed the warnings on the page,
# [14:05] <gerv> particularly about project size and the need for a mentor.
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# [14:06] <mib_qph29w> gerv: can I propose an idea regarding an addons development in GSOC this year
# [14:06] <gerv> If it's the right size and if you can find a mentor. :-)
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# [14:06] <gerv> GSoC is not a magic box which produces code you'd like to have written ;-)
# [14:07] <Octayn> It isn't? Shucks...
# [14:07] <edmorley> that's just Ms2ger :-)
# [14:07] <@smaug> ttaubert: I think storage code may dispatch the same event in a different window
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# [14:13] <ttaubert> smaug: which event? MozStorageChanged or storage?
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# [14:14] <ttaubert> smaug: so all I know is that every window listens for dom-storage2-changed notifications and dispatches events if another window's storage changed, it doesn't dispatch if the session/localStorage it owns changed
# [14:14] <ttaubert> and the latter is when my patch fires the MozStorageChanged event
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# [14:16] <@smaug> ttaubert: storage event, IIRC
# [14:17] <@smaug> ttaubert: the problem is that the same event object is used, IIRC
# [14:17] <ttaubert> smaug: oops, yeah that just came to my mind too
# [14:17] <ttaubert> smaug: thanks for pointing this out
# [14:18] <@smaug> ttaubert: it is absolute bizarre setup
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# [14:19] * @smaug hopes he didn't review that code :)
# [14:19] <ttaubert> smaug: yes, passing an event with an observer notification is interesting
# [14:21] <ttaubert> smaug: is there an easy way to clone an event? all I need to change is the event type
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# [14:21] <@smaug> ttaubert: no easy way
# [14:21] <@smaug> cloning events is not a very common thing to do
# [14:21] <ttaubert> probably :)
# [14:21] <ttaubert> ok so I'll just create a new one
# [14:22] <@smaug> ttaubert: in this case it might make sense to move event creation from storage to globalwindow
# [14:22] <@smaug> notification could just contain the data for the event
# [14:22] * ttaubert loves scope creep
# [14:22] <ttaubert> smaug: but I think you're right
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# [14:25] <@smaug> ttaubert: I do assume the spec doesn't require using the same event
# [14:25] <@smaug> (it would be a bug in the spec)
# [14:25] <ttaubert> nah, that would be weird
# [14:25] <ttaubert> I read the spec
# [14:26] <ttaubert> it doesn't event say that you should suppress the event in the window it originates from
# [14:26] <ttaubert> but seems even Chrome does it
# [14:26] <@smaug> I think it does say that somewhere
# [14:26] <@smaug> IIRC
# [14:26] <ttaubert> ok, I may be wrong
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# [14:28] <Cwiiis> I'm trying to debug a problem with fullscreen on fennec-native (not maple) - the browser layout is a browser element within a vbox, within a deck, within a window - We set width/height on the browser element and the deck is set to flex. When an element goes to fullscreen, the width: 100%/height: 100% css rules end up giving it a width and height of zero...
# [14:28] <Cwiiis> Anyone got any ideas why that would be?
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# [14:29] <Cwiiis> The window goes fullscreen correctly - if I comment out those rules, you can still see the element, but of course it isn't the right size
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# [14:31] <@smaug> Cwiiis: don't know how we do fullscreen in that case... but is it possible that actually only the contents of <browser> is fullscreen
# [14:31] <@smaug> I mean that we layout only the contents
# [14:31] <Cwiiis> smaug, the window gets set fullscreen and the rule in layout/style/ua.css is applied, that's it as far as I can tell
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# [14:32] <Cwiiis> smaug, the window getting set fullscreen works fine, but something about our xul stack is meaning that 'width: 100%' isn't evaluating correctly
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# [14:36] <ttaubert> smaug: is it worth creating a new data structure (smth like nsIDOMStorageModification?) to contain all the information needed to create the event in nsGlobalWindow?
# [14:37] <@smaug> ttaubert: perhaps just some struct
# [14:37] <@smaug> er, hmm
# [14:37] <@smaug> notification needs nsISupports object ?
# [14:37] <@smaug> ttaubert: another option is to actually use the event object in the notification
# [14:38] <@smaug> but clone it for each window
# [14:38] <@smaug> a big ugly, but simple
# [14:39] <ttaubert> you mean, always clone it? not only for MozStorageChanged?
# [14:39] <ttaubert> to prevent others from stumbling over this?
# [14:39] <@smaug> yeah
# [14:39] <Cwiiis> hmm, although setting up a test page that applies the same rules to a div and it works fine...
# [14:39] <@smaug> keep the storage code as it is
# [14:39] <@smaug> but just create a new event for each window
# [14:40] <@smaug> ttaubert: and for your case initialize the event with different name
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# [14:40] <ttaubert> smaug: ok, that sounds like a good way to got, thx
# [14:40] <ttaubert> *to go
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# [14:47] <NeilAway> Cwiiis: hmm, so you're trying to full-screen a XUL element?
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# [14:56] <Cwiiis> NeilAway, nope, just a video element
# [14:56] <Cwiiis> NeilAway, domfullscreen is broken in native fennec, currently
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# [15:02] <NeilAway> Cwiiis: ah, you had me worried there
# [15:03] <NeilAway> Cwiiis: iirc domfullscreen has two components a) make the element itself fullscreen within the browser b) tell the chrome to make the browser fullscreen
# [15:04] <Cwiiis> NeilAway, right - something seems to be going wrong with a, but not sure why... Still investigating
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# [15:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/64d8bba7047f - Blake Kaplan - Bug 727690 - Kill any existing connections on startup so we can successfully reconnect after we've been killed. r=gal
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# [15:10] <mib_qph29w> gerv: how to get started for gsoc
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# [15:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5b8195516c11 - Olli Pettay - Backout Bug 704623, a=dromaeo regression
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# [15:17] <gerv> mib_qph29w: Get started doing what?
# [15:17] <gerv> That page I linked to has information both about suggesting ideas and about applying (which isn't possible yet - Mozilla hasn't even been accepted as an organization).
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# [15:28] <denisATeukrea> hi, I've a huge problem:
# [15:28] <denisATeukrea> shlibsign.c uses another library
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# [15:29] <denisATeukrea> which is implemented in mozilla/nsprpub/pr/src/linking/prlink.c
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# [15:29] <Cwiiis> when you have a css selector *|*:-pseudo-class, what does that end up selecting?
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# [15:29] <denisATeukrea> which ***dlopen*** a library in order to sign it
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# [15:29] <denisATeukrea> then how am I supposed to cross-compile nss if nss depend on shlibsign
# [15:29] <denisATeukrea> and does sign libraries
# [15:31] <dao> !seen glandium
# [15:31] <firebot> glandium was last seen 11 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying 'Arreth: make -f client.mk ANDROID_PACKAGE_NAME=org.mozilla.fennec_foo should work' in #mobile.
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# [15:31] <glandium> dao: ?
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# [15:31] <dao> glandium: I'm looking for a build peer to review the patch in bug 572659
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# [15:32] <glandium> dao: /me looking
# [15:33] <dao> glandium: thanks
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# [15:36] <glandium> dao: done
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# [15:37] <glandium> denisATeukrea: you need to skip shlibsign when cross compiling
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# [15:42] <denisATeukrea> ah ok
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# [15:42] <denisATeukrea> thanks
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# [15:42] <denisATeukrea> I tought about using qemu but that was overkill
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# [15:44] <denisATeukrea> glandium, what's shlibsign for?
# [15:44] <glandium> denisATeukrea: to sign the nss libraries for FIPS support
# [15:44] <glandium> almost no one uses FIPS.
# [15:45] <denisATeukrea> ah ok but there is not only FIPS, at some point in the code there is an else which does it for non-fips
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# [15:45] <glandium> denisATeukrea: the signature is only useful for FIPS
# [15:45] <denisATeukrea> ok
# [15:46] <denisATeukrea> and according to GDB FIPS wasn't used
# [15:46] <denisATeukrea> ok thanks a lot
# [15:46] <mwu> except for the very vocal people who do use fips
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# [15:47] <Octayn> fips means a half thousand different things, what does it mean in this context?
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# [15:49] <glandium> Octayn: fips 140-1
# [15:49] <kaie> glandium, what do you mean by "ctypes" in bug 673381 ?
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# [15:49] <glandium> kaie: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript_code_modules/ctypes.jsm
# [15:50] <glandium> mwu: i wonder what they have to say about the fact that the versions of nss we use are *not* FIPS validated
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# [15:52] <kaie> there are versions from the past who use FIPS validated snapshots of the NSS crypto core, or who are still compatible with dropping in the older FIPS approved crypto core (freebl/softoken libraries).
# [15:53] <glandium> kaie: i doubt anyone enabling FIPS does that
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# [15:53] <kaie> glandium, I'm not saying "enabling FIPS" does that. But users who wants FIPS can carefully select the software versions they want to run, then enable FIPS.
# [15:54] <kaie> this story will repeat. one of the newer NSS versions will also get a FIPS approval.
# [15:54] <glandium> kaie: i'm not saying "enabling FIPS" does that. I'm saying that I doubt any user enabling FIPS does that
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# [15:55] <kaie> glandium, have you talked to people in the US gov ?
# [15:55] <kaie> several governments might do that in their sensitive environments, without telling us...
# [15:56] <kaie> I think that's likely from what I understand
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# [15:59] <glandium> i wonder what https://wiki.mozilla.org/FIPS2009#Platforms_for_2009.2F2010 is supposed to mean wrt platforms... does this mean a validated nss is not validated for e.g. windows 7, OSX Lion and non redhat linux ?
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# [16:32] <denisATeukrea> glandium, how to do it right:
# [16:33] <denisATeukrea> in mozilla/security/nss/cmd/shlibsign/Makefile, how to detect that you are cross compiling
# [16:33] <denisATeukrea> NATIVE_CC doens't seem exported there
# [16:34] <glandium> denisATeukrea: bug 681624
# [16:34] <glandium> denisATeukrea: what are you building, btw? nss? firefox?
# [16:35] <denisATeukrea> nss
# [16:35] <denisATeukrea> I've already sent some patches here:
# [16:35] <denisATeukrea> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670139
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# [16:36] <glandium> denisATeukrea: the second patch is unnecessary
# [16:37] <glandium> denisATeukrea: i'm not sure the first one is useful either. nss doesn't mean to build host tools
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# [16:37] <glandium> (though in the end shlibsign /should/ be built for both)
# [16:37] <denisATeukrea> thanks a lot
# [16:38] <denisATeukrea> yes but using gcc is wrong
# [16:38] <glandium> denisATeukrea: the patch from 681624 should be enough for you. And you build with make SKIP_SHLIBSIGN=1
# [16:38] <denisATeukrea> because we usually use arm-*-gcc
# [16:38] <denisATeukrea> it's not enough
# [16:38] <glandium> denisATeukrea: make CC=whatever-you-want
# [16:39] <denisATeukrea> ok
# [16:39] <denisATeukrea> I'll retry without the patch
# [16:39] <denisATeukrea> I now understand what you said
# [16:39] <denisATeukrea> I'll check
# [16:39] <glandium> the nss build system requires many things to be passed as make args
# [16:39] <glandium> denisATeukrea: note that without the patch from 681624, make CHECKLOC= should work, too
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# [16:40] <glandium> denisATeukrea: fwiw, we cross compile nss for firefox for android, without additional patches
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# [16:40] <glandium> so you just need the right set of options
# [16:41] <denisATeukrea> ok
# [16:41] <denisATeukrea> yes I passed many things
# [16:41] <denisATeukrea> let me retry
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# [16:43] <denisATeukrea> is that normal:
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# [16:44] <denisATeukrea> http://pastie.org/private/kw3jo3htz0jtwx3yzy3xa
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# [16:45] <denisATeukrea> I know the error
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# [16:45] <denisATeukrea> it's an error in eglibc
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# [16:45] <denisATeukrea> because they use // instead of /* */
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# [16:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0a7410527788 - Dão Gottwald - Bug 572659 - Don't expose the Gecko patch level (13.X.Y) in the UA string, only show the major version (13.X). r=glandium,bz sr=gerv
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# [16:47] <denisATeukrea> so that's not ansi compatible
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# [16:48] <glandium> denisATeukrea: you also have an implicit declaration of function '__stpncpy_chk'
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# [16:49] <denisATeukrea> glandium, is it a problem if it uses gcc instead of arm-foo-gcc here?
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# [16:52] <lduros> Curious about something: is it normal that onStopRequest gets triggered multiple times in a tracinglistener, when it's the same page being loaded? Asked the question on #extdev but maybe someone here may know more about this. It seems on some long pages, onStopRequest gets triggered twice... I'd expect onDataAvailable to be triggered multiple times for long pages, but not onStopRequest... thx
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# [17:04] <glandium> denisATeukrea: probably not a good thing. what was your command line?
# [17:06] <denisATeukrea> I used that :
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# [17:08] <denisATeukrea> http://pastie.org/private/er0odv0vzsthmhb82d2va
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# [17:09] <denisATeukrea> it's an openembedded recipe
# [17:09] <denisATeukrea> *it's part of an openembedded recipe
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# [17:11] <glandium> denisATeukrea: and what is *actually* called (with variable substitution in that script)
# [17:11] <glandium> ?
# [17:11] <denisATeukrea> ok let me find it
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# [17:13] <denisATeukrea> http://pastie.org/private/nhifip4ispyqxqpvvxuwmg
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# [17:14] <denisATeukrea> and oe_runmake is that:
# [17:14] <denisATeukrea> make -e MAKEFLAGS= "$@" || die "oe_runmake failed"
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# [17:22] <glandium> denisATeukrea: with these, it shouldn't call gcc to build db.o
# [17:22] <denisATeukrea> but it does
# [17:23] <denisATeukrea> so that's why I sent that patch
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# [17:25] <glandium> denisATeukrea: if you add $(warning $(origin $(CC)) $(CC)) in security/coreconf/Linux.mk, after CC=gcc, what does it display?
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# [17:31] <denisATeukrea> ../../coreconf/Linux.mk:50: undefined gcc
# [17:31] <denisATeukrea> hmmm
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# [17:35] <glandium> denisATeukrea: try without giving "-e" to make
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# [17:37] <denisATeukrea> ok
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# [17:38] <denisATeukrea> still that:
# [17:38] <denisATeukrea> ../../coreconf/Linux.mk:50: undefined gcc
# [17:39] <glandium> denisATeukrea: did you really put it after CC = gcc ?
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# [17:39] <denisATeukrea> yes
# [17:39] <denisATeukrea> the line right after
# [17:39] <denisATeukrea> at Linux.mk line 50
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# [17:40] <denisATeukrea> CC = gcc
# [17:40] <denisATeukrea> $(warning $(origin $(CC)) $(CC))
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# [17:43] <denisATeukrea> ah sorry
# [17:43] <denisATeukrea> I think I did an error while removing the -e
# [17:44] <denisATeukrea> now with make instead of oe_runmake:
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# [17:44] <denisATeukrea> ../coreconf/Linux.mk:50: undefined arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -march=armv7-a -fno-tree-vectorize -mthumb-interwork -mfloat-abi=softfp -mfpu=neon -mtune=cortex-a8 --sysroot=/home/denis/embedded/oe-core/angstrom-bleeding/build/tmp-angstrom_2010_x-eglibc/sysroots/imx53qsb
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# [17:44] <mounir> Ms2ger: "it if you add those givens to
# [17:44] <mounir> the documentation for GetOptionIndex.
# [17:44] <mounir> what did you meant?
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# [17:44] <Ms2ger> You started your comment with "Given..."
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# [17:45] <Ms2ger> I'd like you to make sure that those observations are documented
# [17:45] <Ms2ger> Also, add tests :)
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# [17:45] <mounir> Ms2ger: I have tests
# [17:45] <Ms2ger> Excellent
# [17:46] <mounir> Ms2ger: haven't you seen them in the patch?
# [17:46] <Ms2ger> Not today :)
# [17:47] <Ms2ger> I'm just afraid that what someone might accidentally make what you said be wrong
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# [17:48] <glandium> denisATeukrea: looks better
# [17:48] <denisATeukrea> thanks a lot
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# [17:52] <denisATeukrea> it tries to execute nsinstall now
# [17:52] <denisATeukrea> which is an arm binary
# [17:52] <denisATeukrea> | /bin/sh: line 2: ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_arm_glibc_PTH_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall: cannot execute binary file
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# [17:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1016e3e84271 - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 728890 follow-up: path served by HTTP server changed, too. DONTBUILD because NPOTB
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# [17:58] <philikon> /win 43
# [17:58] <philikon> grr
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# [18:07] <glandium> denisATeukrea: nsinstall should be built with NATIVE_CC
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# [18:08] <glandium> ah, overriding CC clashes with that... and we actually cheat in security/manager/Makefile.in
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# [18:09] <denisATeukrea> ok
# [18:10] <denisATeukrea> so what should I do, a patch for that like ifeq NATIVECC ; CC = $(NATIVE_CC) endif
# [18:10] <denisATeukrea> ?
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# [18:10] <glandium> denisATeukrea: that's what it does already, except that that CC is overriden with the command line
# [18:11] <glandium> denisATeukrea: what would work is "override CC = $(NATIVE_CC)"
# [18:11] <denisATeukrea> ok
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# [18:14] <glandium> denisATeukrea: in security/coreconf/*/Makefile
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# [18:14] <denisATeukrea> ok
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# [18:21] <gcp> pong
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# [18:43] <Ms2ger> Hrm
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# [18:44] <Ms2ger> khuey, does "#if !XP_MACOSX" make sense?
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# [18:45] <@khuey> yes-ish
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# [18:47] <Ms2ger> Do explain :)
# [18:47] <@khuey> "Identifiers that are not macros, which are all considered to be the number zero. This allows you to write #if MACRO instead of #ifdef MACRO, if you know that MACRO, when defined, will always have a nonzero value. Function-like macros used without their function call parentheses are also treated as zero. "
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# [18:47] <@khuey> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/If.html
# [18:48] <Ms2ger> Bah
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# [18:48] <Ms2ger> nsAString::SetLength can fail, right?
# [18:49] <@khuey> it does allocation, no?
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# [18:49] <@khuey> it returns void
# [18:50] <@khuey> that seems a little screwy
# [18:50] <@khuey> since it calls SetCapacity internally
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# [18:50] <Ms2ger> Hm, interesting
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# [19:02] <denisATeukrea> glandium, thanks a lot!!!! the recipe nearly works, I've some QA left and it should be ok
# [19:02] <denisATeukrea> I'll go, see you later
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# [19:27] <froydnj> why do some (completed) builds not show up on tbpl for a given revision when other builds are still running?
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# [19:35] <jmaher> my push to inbound is not working, I don't see any indication inbound is down
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# [19:36] <jmaher> is anybody else experiencing this?
# [19:37] <jmaher> I get this message: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1488830, pretxnchangegroup.c_commitmessage hook failed
# [19:37] <bkero> jmaher: your commit message probably doesn't have a bug number in it?
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# [19:38] <Pike> jmaher: also, -f doesn't get you past the commit hooks
# [19:38] <jmaher> bkero: you are right; odd, I had just ensured it did but hg log is telling me not
# [19:38] <Cork[home]> isn't cors meant to throw an error in the error console when it blocks xhr cross domain?
# [19:38] <jmaher> Pike: oh, I usually push thay way
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# [19:43] <edmorley> jmaher: 99.9999% of the time (other than pushing to try), push -f is absolutely the wrong thing to do btw
# [19:43] <dao> jmaher: you shouldn't push to inbound this way
# [19:43] <edmorley> jmaher: the "did you mean push -f" error message is lies, all lies :-)
# [19:44] <jmaher> I must be in the habit from try server
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# [19:47] <Ms2ger> If pushing, push -f is still wrong
# [19:47] <Ms2ger> s//to try/
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# [19:51] <edmorley> how come?
# [19:51] <edmorley> it complains about the mq otherwise aiui
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# [19:52] <edmorley> past: ping
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# [19:53] <Ms2ger> hg trychooser
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# [19:53] <past> edmorley: pong
# [19:53] <edmorley> Ms2ger: I have a few saved commonly used mqs with the syntax
# [19:54] <edmorley> past: there is a new browser_dbg_script-switching.js failure in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=81c166bac966
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# [19:54] <edmorley> log: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9472387&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [19:55] <edmorley> past: do you want to morph bug 726249, or is the failure related at all to bug 728830, given the error is the same there?
# [19:55] <edmorley> or should I file new?
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# [19:57] <past> I think it's probably related to 728830
# [19:57] <past> but feel free to file a new one if you want
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# [19:59] <edmorley> past: I'll file new and depend on 728830 perhaps. thank you :-)
# [19:59] <past> ok, thanks
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# [20:03] <Ms2ger> mats, oh, I see
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# [20:18] <@smaug> could we add some automatic coding style reviewer
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# [20:20] <tbsaunde|afk> smaug: sure, but you get to start the flamware on what it should do =p
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# [20:21] <@smaug> we do have coding style
# [20:21] <@smaug> Mozilla has had coding style for ages
# [20:21] <Callek> smaug: didn't jst or someone have one of those already?
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# [20:22] <Callek> smaug: the problem with a code-style auto-reviewer is that a lot of pre-existing code broke the coding style, and general convention is to match existing style that use the correct (but different) official style
# [20:23] <@smaug> sure
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# [20:23] <@smaug> but I think we should move towards one coding style
# [20:23] <Callek> I would happily agree though
# [20:23] <@smaug> (i.e. make xpconnect readable)
# [20:24] <Callek> especially if a reviewer could trigger a "run auto code-style review, and stuff it into my splinter draft"
# [20:24] <@smaug> I'm sure js eng devs might disagree
# [20:24] <Callek> such that a reviewer could _override_ the code style review if they felt it necessary
# [20:25] <Callek> (e.g. whitespace-at-eol should be a globally acceptable style, but tab-vs-space and amount of indent could vary depending on pre-existing-file)
# [20:25] <zwol> I hope you mean globally unacceptable :)
# [20:26] <tbsaunde|afk> why would you ever want whitespace at the end of a line?
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# [20:26] <Callek> tbsaunde: thats my point
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# [20:26] <Callek> ooo zwol++
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# [20:26] <zwol> not to completely change the subject, but I need some help with the Android theme code
# [20:27] <zwol> specifically, I can't figure out how nsSystemFontsAndroid ever worked correctly
# [20:27] <@smaug> better to ask #mobile
# [20:27] <zwol> ok
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# [20:42] <mixedpuppy> I'm looking for a way to see if the current stack was initiated by a trusted event (similar to the checks around window.open), does anyone know if there is a way to do that?
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# [20:48] <@smaug> mixedpuppy: there isn't exactly that
# [20:48] <@smaug> there is the popupblocker thing though
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# [22:15] <lmanuelab> I need help with bug#678173 for a class project
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# [22:18] <Ms2ger> edmorley, why thank you, Sir :)
# [22:19] <@khuey> lmanuelab: you should talk to roc
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# [22:19] <@khuey> who just left :-P
# [22:20] <lmanuelab> yeah good timing
# [22:21] <Ms2ger> roc? Always :)
# [22:21] <mcsmurf> where can I find the FF builds on the ftp server for single hg changesets? in the firefox/tinderbox-builds folder?
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# [22:22] <lmanuelab> can anyone else give me some assistance?
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# [22:24] <nthomas> mcsmurf: yes, but you might have the best luck by searching the build log using tbpl
# [22:24] <@khuey> lmanuelab: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678173#c4
# [22:24] <Ms2ger> glandium, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1488898 < good? bad? horrible?
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# [22:28] <edmorley> Ms2ger: logs?
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# [22:28] <Ms2ger> edmorley, indeed
# [22:28] <edmorley> :-)
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# [22:29] <Ms2ger> So nice of you to switch to nice comments about me now you know I'll read them ;)
# [22:30] <edmorley> coincidence only, if anything it means more opportunities to wind you up, even when you're not in the room ;-)
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# [22:42] <lurking_work> lmanuelab: and roc just left till sometime in mid-march
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# [22:43] <lmanuelab> i was also in contact wit bz
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# [22:45] <lurking_work> lmanuelab: hmm, seems he's not here either - maybe because its a Holiday in the US
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# [22:47] <lmanuelab> i need a bug to fix for a school project
# [22:48] <lurking_work> that's I can't help with - sorry
# [22:48] <mcsmurf> you've run out of bugs?
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# [22:49] <lmanuelab> no bug#678173 was on top of the list but if you have any other ideas
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# [23:02] <@smaug> just friendly :)
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# [23:05] <@khuey> smaug: it's a holiday here today
# [23:05] <@smaug> so? :)
# [23:06] <@khuey> heh
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# [23:07] <Ms2ger> Holiday?
# [23:07] <@khuey> yes
# [23:07] <Ms2ger> What's that?
# [23:08] <@khuey> the days where you don't have to work
# [23:09] <njn> jfkthame: ping
# [23:09] <jfkthame> njn: pong
# [23:09] <hub> we don't have a holiday here
# [23:10] <sfink> it's a day when you're paid whether you work or not, not to be confused with the days where you work whether you're paid or not
# [23:10] <njn> jfkthame: hi. Does harfbuzz/cairo have any facility for tracking its own memory usage?
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# [23:11] <jfkthame> njn: for harfbuzz, no; for cairo, not that i'm aware of but someone like jrmuizel is likely to know more
# [23:11] <Ms2ger> Ah, why doesn't this surprise me?
# [23:11] <njn> jfkthame: on Linux, at least, harfbuzz/cairo is accounting for a decent chunk of "heap-unclassified" memory. E.g. see http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1488944 , which is the top report from DMD with 14 wikipedia pages open
# [23:12] <njn> jfkthame: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1488945 is the 2nd highest
# [23:12] <Ms2ger> // Don't use this method! It will go away after first release!
# [23:12] <Ms2ger> Added 2001-03-27
# [23:12] <Ms2ger> Removed 2012-02-17
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# [23:14] <jfkthame> njn: so you've got about 800K under hb_font_get_glyph_h_advance, right? that doesn't surprise me, as the FT2 font code caches the width of each glyph that's used
# [23:14] <edmorley> Ms2ger meet Gecko, I thought you'd met before...? :P
# [23:14] <Ms2ger> edmorley, daily editor jibe, check
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# [23:15] <edmorley> ah, in which case carry on :-)
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# [23:15] <Ms2ger> Also
# [23:15] <Ms2ger> Enn++
# [23:15] <njn> jfkthame: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1488950 has some more text-y stuff
# [23:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d82b1806c182 - Fabrice Desré - Bug 725143 - crash when restarting b2g with screen off [a=gal] DONTBUILD because NPOTB
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# [23:16] <jfkthame> njn: we'll be getting memory reporters for what you see in gfxShapedWord::Create, i just haven't gotten back to those patches since the caching architecture was replaced
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# [23:16] <njn> jfkthame: I'm deciding if this stuff is worth doing after. The bidi stuff is generic, but linux-only stuff is less interesting
# [23:16] <njn> jfkthame: ok, cool (re. Create)
# [23:17] <jfkthame> njn: also the font table cache (under HBGetTable) will be included in the font memory reporting
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# [23:17] <njn> nice
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# [23:18] <jfkthame> the shaped word cache is generic to all platforms; the font table caching varies across platforms, because on some systems we don't allocate it ourselves, it belongs to the OS
# [23:18] <njn> jfkthame: if those allocations are higher on Linux than other OSes, that's good from my POV
# [23:19] <njn> because it makes them much less worth going after
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# [23:19] <njn> jfkthame: for http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1488945, can you tell me where that hash table is stored?
# [23:19] <jfkthame> well.... most of the linux stuff would apply to android as well
# [23:19] <Ms2ger> reuben, ping
# [23:19] <njn> it looks like it should be easy to catch
# [23:19] <njn> (true)
# [23:19] <Ms2ger> Er
# [23:19] <Ms2ger> reuben, unping
# [23:19] <Ms2ger> reed, ping
# [23:21] <njn> jfkthame: looks like FramePropertyTable::mEntries
# [23:21] <njn> jfkthame: but what owns the FramePropertyTable?
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# [23:22] <jfkthame> yeah, it has an mPropertyTable
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# [23:22] <jfkthame> i think that's the one you're seeing
# [23:22] <njn> jfkthame: cool, that should be really easy
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# [23:23] <njn> jfkthame: so to conclude... I can get the FramePropertyTable easily, you're getting some of the shaping stuff in that other patch, and the harfbuzz/cairo stuff is a PITA
# [23:23] <reuben> heh
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# [23:25] <jfkthame> njn: y/w - i'll try to get back to the font-related memory reporter stuff soon, i know it's been pending but other stuff was changing underfoot
# [23:25] <njn> jfkthame: np, sorry for changing it under you
# [23:25] <njn> jfkthame: it should be stable now
# [23:25] <jfkthame> i didn't just mean on that side, i meant the font & text-run architecture too :)
# [23:26] <jfkthame> so i totally bitrotted my own patches there
# [23:26] <njn> jfkthame: two sets of changing, lovely
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# [23:46] <tn> lsumar, i can check in the patchs in bug 522607 for you. the patches posted to the bug have all review and commit messages etc?
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# [23:48] <lsumar> tn: i just updated the messages. now they are ready. thanx :)
# [23:49] <njn> is it possible to do |hg qref -e| on a patch in the middle of a patch stack? editing the patch file in .hg/patches directly didn't seem to do the trick...
# [23:50] <tn> njn, that does work, you just have to pop/push the patch to see the change
# [23:51] <njn> at least, |hg out| didn't reflect it, but if I qpop and then qpush I see it
# [23:51] <njn> tn: right, exactly
# [23:51] <njn> that's weird
# [23:51] <tn> lsumar, username is right? the patches have different username
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# [23:51] <lsumar> tn: the patch 1 was primarily Williams so it should have his name.
# [23:52] <lsumar> tn: in short, yes.
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# [23:53] <tn> lsumar, ok, pushed.
# [23:53] <lsumar> tn: thanx
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