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# Session Start: Fri Feb 24 00:00:00 2012
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# [00:03] <davida> i'm finding very weird issues w/ canvas-based fonts (https://bug730123.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=600190)
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# [00:03] <davida> can someone look at http://cufon.shoqolate.com/generate/ w/ a nightly and tell me if you see a big heading or tiny letters?
# [00:04] <sstangl> davida: http://i.imgur.com/DuOIp.png
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# [00:04] <kwierso> davida: what text are you wanting me to look at?
# [00:04] <dholbert> davida, I see what sstangl sees
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# [00:04] <davida> dholbert: you linux as well?
# [00:05] <dholbert> davida, yes
# [00:05] <davida> ok, any macs or windows nightly users? I'll paste what i see.
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# [00:05] <kwierso> I see that on windows as well
# [00:05] <davida> http://i.imgur.com/L1i1e.png
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# [00:06] <kwierso> davida: I do not see that
# [00:06] <davida> trying w/ a new profile
# [00:06] <sstangl> davida: I tried on OS X; I see that.
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# [00:06] <davida> sstangl: you see the same as me?
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# [00:06] <sstangl> davida: yes, only on OS X
# [00:06] <dholbert> (so it sounds like davida's issue is mac-specific?)
# [00:06] <davida> ok, cool
# [00:06] <davida> thx
# [00:07] <davida> dholbert: more importantly, it's not davida-specific =)
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# [00:07] <dholbert> yeah :)
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# [00:08] <davida> thx all. bug 730123 updated.
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# [00:11] <pcglue> In browser/base/content/urlbarBindings.xml, if a call to gBrowser.loadURIWithFlags() fails (say the url is invalid), where does it go next? Specifically, where does execution then get handed over to the search engine service that then performs a search on the url?
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# [00:12] <jlebar|mac> glandium: FYI, we have numbers from some internal memory testing we've been doing.
# [00:13] <jlebar|mac> glandium: After you run TP5, close all the tabs, and let GC/CC run, we have 60mb heap fragmentation out of 155mb rss.
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# [00:13] <jlebar|mac> glandium: I hope we can do a lot better.
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# [00:29] <drice> biesi: ignore my current patch on bug 720846. Just realized I'm not handling endianness. I have to use the PR_ stuff.
# [00:31] <jlebar|mac> joe: need some halp in memshrink.
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# [00:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/096020a8face - Chris Jones - Bug 729623: Don't fire showime for readonly inputs. r=someone
# [00:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6fe899b9b372 - Chris Jones - Bug 722953 - "Cause hardware buttons to illuminate when button is pressed" [r=gal]
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# [00:37] <gavin> r=someone?
# [00:38] <philor> these kids today, don't even know the name of a single formerly-living dog that formerly came to a former office
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# [00:38] <gal> its npotb right now for anyone but us
# [00:38] <cjones> oops
# [00:38] <gavin> looks like it was just a mistake in the push, fabrice reviewed it
# [00:38] <cjones> shotgun review
# [00:38] <cjones> r=fabrice
# [00:39] <fabrice> I confirm!
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# [00:39] <darktrojan> tsk, if you're going to make mistakes like that, do it on inbound where firebot doesn't tell everyone about it
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# [00:41] <Waldo> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9304fda5ddc7 the system works!
# [00:41] <philor> Ed is a whole system now?
# [00:42] <Waldo> not compared to nano!
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# [00:43] <philor> oh, the system where everyone will push every patch to try (569 jobs pending) to ensure it doesn't trigger any warnings, that system
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# [00:44] <Waldo> the system where we don't footgun ourselves ignoring compiler feedback
# [00:44] <biesi> drice, ok
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# [00:44] <mbrubeck> Now we only shoot edmorley's feet... to make him dance a jig! :)
# [00:44] <mak> Purchase your own tryserever today! Special prices! (conditions apply)
# [00:44] <derf> Someday philor will tell us how he really feels.
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# [00:45] <philor> derf: can't, I'm under strict orders to leave capslock off
# [00:46] <darktrojan> what about the system where stuff that works on one platform works on the others? :(
# [00:46] * edmorley does a jig
# [00:46] <Waldo> darktrojan: yeah, why doesn't Linux implement the win32 API? :-(
# [00:46] <jorendorff> bz: I need help with a math thing again
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# [00:46] <darktrojan> Waldo, because it's poo
# [00:46] <Waldo> :-)
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# [00:47] <tbsaunde> Waldo: it does, you just need to install wine :P
# [00:47] <derf> Waldo: Does that wine come in a box?
# [00:47] <darktrojan> ew, wine from a box
# [00:48] <Waldo> derf: no, an aero glass
# [00:48] <darktrojan> better
# [00:48] <jorendorff> bz: I have this data, and need a summary https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Jorend/Deterministic_hash_tables#Memory_usage
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# [00:53] <margaret> jst: the bug i mentioned is bug 711552
# [00:53] <jorendorff> bz: The problem is, these stair-steppy functions never converge
# [00:54] <jorendorff> bz: The averages don't converge either.
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# [00:57] <taras> smaug: did one of these CC debugging addons make it onto AMO?
# [00:57] <@smaug> there is one
# [00:58] <@smaug> let me find the link
# [00:58] <@smaug> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cycle-collector-analyzer/
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# [00:58] <jst> margaret: thanks!
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# [01:00] <philor> edmorley: got one more backout in you today?
# [01:01] <njn> Unfocused: you ok if I email dev-platform and mention the etherpad?
# [01:02] <jhammel> njn, Unfocused: is there a bug for this yet?
# [01:02] <njn> jhammel: what would the bug be for?
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# [01:03] <jhammel> njn: "remove third-party acccess for addon installation" or something
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# [01:03] <njn> jhammel: there is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728227, which is less onerous
# [01:03] <njn> but still not likely to be approved
# [01:03] <jhammel> njn: thanks
# [01:03] <@dbaron> hmmm, I have a profile that ended up with a 160 meg sessionstore-1.js
# [01:04] <@dbaron> I don't even know why it's called sessionstore-1.js rather than sessionstore.js
# [01:04] <@dbaron> but this seems pretty broken
# [01:04] <@dbaron> considering I don't use the profile in question a whole lot
# [01:04] <Unfocused> njn: of course, go for it
# [01:05] <njn> Unfocused: cool, just wanted to check you'd finished editing
# [01:05] <@dbaron> oh, it seems like it involves recursively storing about:sessionstore a number of times, with more and more escaping
# [01:05] <taras> smaug: thanks
# [01:05] <@smaug> taras: looks like it is better to restart browser after installing that
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# [01:05] <@smaug> since installing adds some garbage
# [01:05] <Unfocused> i mostly just got distracted, but yea i think i'm done
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# [01:07] <zpao> dbaron: when was the last time you used that profile? we changed it so we shouldn't be escaping about:sessionrester (new instances, not old ones)
# [01:07] <zpao> (bug 467409)
# [01:07] <@dbaron> zpao, pretty recently, but the sessionstore-1.js is dated early january
# [01:07] <@dbaron> (is the -1 a backup?)
# [01:07] <@dbaron> zpao, er, wait, early January of last year
# [01:07] <edmorley> philor: yeah sure (sorry was afk)
# [01:08] <zpao> dbaron: ah, that would explain it yea
# [01:08] <@dbaron> zpao, ok, so it's fixed now and I should just clobber that since it's not of interest anymore?
# [01:08] <zpao> the -1 is afaik usually a result of write contention with sessionstore.js (i've only see it reported a couple times, usually antivirus screwing things up)
# [01:09] <philor> no worries, nobody new has landed on it yet, today's rush might be overish
# [01:09] <zpao> dbaron: yea, if you only had it for the nested bug, then you can trash it
# [01:09] <edmorley> philor: b638c0deeafa:512df80d7ca4 right?
# [01:09] <@dbaron> zpao, could have been me manually renaming the file
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# [01:12] <taras> smaug: what's the bug# for that one and are there instructions?
# [01:12] <taras> i'll link it from snappy update
# [01:13] <@smaug> taras: for what?
# [01:13] <philor> edmorley: right
# [01:13] <taras> smaug: for the addon above
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# [01:14] <@smaug> taras: bug 726346
# [01:14] <@smaug> taras: or bug about runtime leaks when installing some addons, bug 728669
# [01:15] <taras> smaug: ok
# [01:15] <taras> thanks
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# [01:15] <@smaug> taras: the addons can basically tell that something is leaking or cycle collector optimizations lack some case
# [01:16] <@smaug> usually the first case
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# [01:16] <@smaug> and the leak can be temporary "runtime leak"
# [01:18] <NeilAway> pcglue: that's handled by nsDocShell.cpp
# [01:18] <NeilAway> darktrojan: so, what happened to 710978?
# [01:19] <darktrojan> NeilAway, nothing has happened
# [01:19] <mattwoodrow> Anyone know what code fires the "onload" event? (for a .xhtml mochitest in case it matters)
# [01:20] <taras> smaug: just realized the addon is self-documenting, neat
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# [01:21] <philor> BenWa: I just starred the known crash without seeing the leak on one of them, but I think you've got a condvar+mutex leak on Maple
# [01:22] <@smaug> taras: you mean Honza's addon. Yes, that is quite nice to have documentation there.
# [01:22] <BenWa> philor: Thanks
# [01:22] <NeilAway> darktrojan: well, exactly...
# [01:22] <mattwoodrow> tn: ping
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# [01:23] <philor> oh, I see there's plenty more coming, you won't need that one I starred :)
# [01:23] <darktrojan> NeilAway, I forgot about it mostly
# [01:24] <tn> mattwoodrow, pong
# [01:24] <mattwoodrow> tn: know what code fires the "onload" event? (for a .xhtml mochitest in case it matters)
# [01:24] <mattwoodrow> I think I broken unload :(
# [01:24] <mattwoodrow> *onload
# [01:25] <jhammel> you renamed it unload? ;)
# [01:25] <mattwoodrow> colloquy was nice enough to do that for me
# [01:25] <@smaug> mattwoodrow: load and unload are dispatched by nsDocumentViewer
# [01:26] <NeilAway> darktrojan: :s
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# [01:26] <gavin> philor: I feel bad jinxing it, but I think I may have inadvertently fixed browser_homeDrop
# [01:27] <gavin> no inbound/m-c oranges since I landed the latest debug patch
# [01:27] <darktrojan> NeilAway, if you've got time to deal with it now, I'll make the change Serge asked for, you can r+ it, and I can land the thing
# [01:28] <NeilAway> darktrojan: wait, is my tab out of date already?
# [01:28] <philor> gavin: now comes the risky part: do you add a comment saying "// this clearly temporary debugging code has to stay here to staunch a timeout and leak" and risk that the comment will throw off the magic?
# [01:28] <tn> mattwoodrow, DocumentViewerImpl::LoadComplete
# [01:28] <mattwoodrow> smaug: What calls DocumentViewer::LoadComplete? mxr isn't being helpful here
# [01:28] <darktrojan> NeilAway, hmm?
# [01:29] <NeilAway> darktrojan: oh, yeah, I totally overlooked that. r=me
# [01:29] <darktrojan> heh
# [01:29] <gavin> philor: it added another executeSoon, which seems most likely to be the fix
# [01:29] <NeilAway> darktrojan: hey, it would have been fun for your test to break with the uplift ;-)
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# [01:29] <tn> mattwoodrow, identifier search messes up sometimes, use the plaintext search with match case can help
# [01:29] <gavin> if there are no more oranges I'll remove the debugging junk and just leave that
# [01:30] <gavin> see what happens
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# [01:30] <@smaug> mattwoodrow: usually http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/docshell/base/nsDocShell.cpp#6178
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# [01:30] <@smaug> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=LoadComplete&;find=\.c&findi=\.c&filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=mozilla-central
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# [01:30] <@smaug> mattwoodrow: better http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=-%3ELoadComplete&;find=\.c&findi=\.c&filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=mozilla-central
# [01:31] <mattwoodrow> thanks
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# [01:32] <tn> mattwoodrow, is LoadComplete really not getting called? i wouldn't think what you're doing what change that
# [01:32] <mattwoodrow> tn: it is getting called
# [01:32] <mattwoodrow> but before the page is actually loaded
# [01:33] <mattwoodrow> or drawn at least
# [01:33] <tn> mattwoodrow, that i could se
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# [01:33] <@smaug> you're removing some loadblocker?
# [01:33] <mattwoodrow> hrm, unload doesn't actually mean onpainted does it?
# [01:33] <mattwoodrow> *o
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# [01:33] <gavin> no
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# [01:33] <tn> we can fire the load event right now without having painted the page
# [01:34] <lurking> ack, I hate getting old - how do you run the CC addon ? I just noticed there was a newer version but about:cc says invalid URL
# [01:34] <mattwoodrow> right, that makes sense
# [01:34] <@smaug> lurking: did you install it?
# [01:34] <@smaug> lurking: there is another addon
# [01:34] <@smaug> about:ccdump
# [01:34] <mattwoodrow> unfortunately we can't get invalidations until we've painted
# [01:34] <lurking> yeah, I see now I was using wrong URL - thanks
# [01:34] <@smaug> lurking: I wrote the ugly looking about:cc
# [01:35] <lurking> heh, it worked
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# [01:35] <@smaug> it does work
# [01:35] <tn> mattwoodrow, and you need invalidations for something?
# [01:35] <@smaug> and is very lightweight
# [01:35] <mattwoodrow> tn: yeah this is testing MozAfterPaint
# [01:35] <mattwoodrow> changes a style property, and checks that MozAfterPaint contains the right invalidated rect
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# [01:36] <lurking> smaug: yours is easier to use - this new one is over my head at the moment
# [01:36] <mattwoodrow> I can fix this by changing the test
# [01:37] <@smaug> lurking: give feedback to Honza
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# [01:37] <lurking> ok
# [01:37] <@smaug> lurking: and did you read the about
# [01:37] <lurking> no, will do that now
# [01:37] <lurking> thanks
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# [01:38] <wesj> smaug: ping?
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# [01:39] <@smaug> wesj: pong
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# [01:39] <wesj> smaug: hey, when we load google maps on mobile (which is sending us desktop maps right now), we hit this: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/nsGlobalWindow.cpp#7667
# [01:39] <wesj> and never send the touch events notification
# [01:39] <darktrojan> mfinkle, are you replacing the setting stuff on non-native as well?
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# [01:40] <wesj> i'm assuming because maps is in some iframe. do we need that check?
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# [01:40] <@smaug> wesj: that check is for Win7
# [01:40] <@smaug> at least originally
# [01:41] <@smaug> so, don't remove it
# [01:41] <@smaug> wesj: but perhaps some ifdef is ok
# [01:41] <@smaug> wesj: it is there because W7 gives either touch events or gesture events to application
# [01:42] <@smaug> but not both
# [01:42] <@smaug> wesj: felipe would know better
# [01:42] <wesj> ahh. ok. thanks. we could send the notification regardless
# [01:42] <wesj> if i move that from the updateTouchState to MaybeUpdateTouchState
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# [01:44] <philor> oh boy, Win Ru
# [01:45] <mattwoodrow> tn: Adding a delay until there are no longer pending paints fixes my problem
# [01:45] <mattwoodrow> thanks
# [01:45] <tn> mattwoodrow, isn't that what MozReftestInvalidate is for?
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# [01:46] <mattwoodrow> tn: this is a mochitest
# [01:46] <felipe> smaug, wesj: I bet that's also involved in bug 726608
# [01:46] <tn> mattwoodrow, oh
# [01:46] <mattwoodrow> but it's more or less the same thing
# [01:47] <felipe> wesj: the reason that that check is there is because on Windows we need to update a flag in the native window, and we only want to do that when it's the active page that registered a touch listener (or the user switched tabs to a page with touch listeners)
# [01:47] <wesj> felipe: for the same "don't pan" tricks we're trying to play on mobile?
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# [01:48] <felipe> wesj: yep, for similar reasons
# [01:49] <felipe> wesj: but I would expect the FORWARD_TO_INNER to deal with the iframe prob
# [01:49] <wesj> felipe: yeah i was surprised too.. maybe its something different...
# [01:50] <felipe> smaug: fwiw, I'll take a look at 726608 soon
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# [01:55] <RyanVM> I'm trying to run img2html.html locally and am getting a DOM security error
# [01:55] <RyanVM> [Exception... "Security error" code: "1000" nsresult: "0x805303e8 (NS_ERROR_DOM_SECURITY_ERR)"
# [01:55] <RyanVM> what do I need to do to elevate permissions?
# [01:56] <RyanVM> the line in question: var pixels = ctx.getImageData(0, 0, img.width, img.height).data;
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# [02:29] <@dolske> Ryan: put image and html in the same dir?
# [02:30] <@dolske> err
# [02:30] <@dolske> RyanVM who is now gone.
# [02:30] <ewong> is wiki.m.o supposed to have a broken security lock?
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# [02:31] <@dolske> try it in a browser that doesn't have a security lock indicator?
# [02:31] <Mook_as> ewong: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=729605 ?
# [02:31] <ewong> Mook_as: yup! thanks.
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# [02:34] <dholbert> dbaron, ping?
# [02:34] <@dbaron> dholbert, pong
# [02:36] <dholbert> dbaron, so for parsing flexbox flexibility, I was previously using an eCSSUnit_Function-type nsCSSValue, for the flex() function
# [02:37] <dholbert> dbaron, now it's a property, not a function. I could still represent it as a Function, or alternately I could create a new "eCSSUnit_Flexibility" unit (backed by anArray, like eCSSUnit_Cubic_Bezier is)
# [02:37] <jorendorff> bz: math ping
# [02:37] <@dbaron> dholbert, it's a property that just takes 3 values or something like that, right?
# [02:37] <dholbert> dbaron, yeah
# [02:37] <@dbaron> dholbert, if that's the case, I'd suggest just using eCSSUnit_Array
# [02:38] <dholbert> dbaron, OK -- I was going to do that, but wasn't sure if we want more type-safety than that
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# [02:38] <dholbert> i.e. we have eCSSUnit_Counter, _Counters, _Cubic_Bezier, and _Steps which are all really like eCSSUnit_Array under the hood I think
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# [02:41] <@dbaron> dholbert, counter and counters need to be distinguished from each other
# [02:41] <@dbaron> dholbert, same for cubic-bezier and steps
# [02:41] <dholbert> dbaron, ah, ok -- makes sense
# [02:41] <@bz> jorendorff: ack
# [02:41] <dholbert> dbaron, I'll use CSSUnit_Array then -- thanks!
# [02:41] <jorendorff> bz: thank you!
# [02:42] <@bz> jorendorff: er?
# [02:42] <jorendorff> bz: I need help
# [02:42] <@bz> jorendorff: ok
# [02:42] <jorendorff> bz: and it's something elementary
# [02:42] <jorendorff> bz: https://wiki.mozilla.org/File:Jorendorff-dht-figure-1.png this graph shows a blue staircase and a red one
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# [02:43] <jorendorff> bz: it's a log-log plot; in reality the steps double in size as they go
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# [02:43] <jorendorff> bz: I want to say "the red value is 26% more than the blue value" or something like that
# [02:43] <jorendorff> bz: problem is, the ratio of red to blue does not converge
# [02:44] <jorendorff> it stairsteps off to infinity
# [02:44] <cers> lsumar: ping
# [02:44] <lsumar> cers:
# [02:44] <lsumar> cers: yup
# [02:44] <jorendorff> bz: I think I need some kind of probability distribution, and then I can integrate the ratio of red to blue, times that probability, and that will give me the number I want
# [02:45] <jorendorff> bz: but what is a sane choice of probability distribution? or, do you have other ideas
# [02:45] * @bz is trying to understand the context
# [02:45] <jorendorff> bz: it's real simple -- they're two hash table implementations
# [02:45] <jorendorff> bz: the red one is bigger
# [02:45] <@bz> right
# [02:45] <@bz> and you'd like to quantify "how much bigger"?
# [02:46] <jorendorff> yeah
# [02:46] <cers> lsumar: I was just looking at bug 483446, and I was you were interested in taking it after Waldo, but it was assigned back to nobody - just wanted to check if it had slipped through the cracks, or if you had lost interest?
# [02:46] <jorendorff> bz: the red one has some other nice properties, so it's worth measuring how much bigger
# [02:46] <jorendorff> to see what kind of trade-off we're talking about here
# [02:46] <jorendorff> bz: the context is https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Jorend/Deterministic_hash_tables … which is … too much
# [02:46] <jorendorff> too much context!
# [02:46] <@dolske> my head asplode! *pop*
# [02:47] <@bz> ok
# [02:47] <@bz> so the red one gives you guaranteed iteration order, I see
# [02:47] * @bz skimmed the context
# [02:47] <@bz> alright
# [02:48] <lsumar> cers: nope, didn't loose interest just forgot. i can take it on.
# [02:48] <@bz> So what we really have is that log(red) - log(blue) is a constant
# [02:48] <cers> lsumar: great :-)
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# [02:49] <@bz> wai
# [02:49] <@bz> er, wait
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# [02:49] <@bz> if log(red) - log(blue) is a constant, then red/blue should be a constant
# [02:49] <@bz> as in, the ratio of memory use should just be some number....
# [02:49] <jorendorff> bz: If the stairs lined up perfectly, that would be the case
# [02:49] <@bz> ah, yes
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# [02:50] <@bz> ok
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# [02:50] * @bz was ignoring that part
# [02:50] <jorendorff> i think that sometimes red is 12.5% bigger; and the rest of the time it is 125% bigger
# [02:50] <@bz> yes
# [02:50] <@bz> I buy that
# [02:50] <@bz> and "time" depends on number of entries
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# [02:50] <@bz> ok
# [02:51] <jorendorff> right
# [02:51] <jorendorff> sorry
# [02:51] <@bz> so what would probably be most useful here is actual data on number of entries
# [02:51] <@bz> if we have that
# [02:51] <jorendorff> bz: that is what the graph shows
# [02:51] <jorendorff> bz: i do have actual measured data
# [02:51] <jorendorff> and also a formula
# [02:51] <@bz> No, I meant data on how many entries we'd have
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# [02:51] <@bz> what we have is table size as function of number of entries
# [02:51] <jorendorff> bz: oh - yes, if we had that, we'd be all set
# [02:52] <@bz> ok
# [02:52] <@bz> well, what do we plan to use these hashtables for?
# [02:52] <jorendorff> bz: to implement Map and Set, so web pages will use them for whatever they can think of
# [02:52] <@bz> really, we need to either gather data on what will go in them, or guess at the probability distribution over number of entries
# [02:52] <jorendorff> i vote we guess
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# [02:53] <@bz> heh
# [02:53] <@dbaron> bz, btw, you still have 729143 marked [needs review], and did you see that 723446 got ESR approval?
# [02:53] <@bz> dbaron: yes, and yes
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# [02:53] <@bz> dbaron: pulling esr tree
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# [02:54] <@bz> dbaron: it's being slow, as expected
# [02:54] <@dbaron> ok, good :-)
# [02:54] <@dbaron> not so good
# [02:54] <@bz> dbaron: and yeah, need to mark the other one [needs landing]
# [02:54] <@dbaron> anyway, heading home so I can enjoy a little of today's nice weather
# [02:54] <@bz> dbaron: btw, I'm working on this bloom filter thing
# [02:54] <@dbaron> bz, sounds good
# [02:54] <@bz> dbaron: if I get it done in the next several days, do you think you can review in time for 13?
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# [02:54] <@dbaron> bz, when's 13?
# [02:54] <@bz> jorendorff: ok, so
# [02:55] <@bz> dbaron: march 13 or something like that
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# [02:55] <@dbaron> bz, decent chance of yes
# [02:55] <@bz> dbaron: ok, good
# [02:55] <@dbaron> bz, but I do have to prepare for sxsw and go to sxsw in that interval
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# [02:55] <edmorley> dbaron: see topic
# [02:55] <@bz> jorendorff: https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Jorend/Deterministic_hash_tables
# [02:55] <@bz> er..
# [02:55] <@bz> jorendorff: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705877
# [02:55] <@dbaron> edmorley, it's not in the final screen-width of /topic
# [02:56] <@bz> jorendorff: stealing some ideas from webkit. ;)
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# [02:56] <jorendorff> huh
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# [02:56] <@bz> jorendorff: so really, the typical thing I would expect to see is some sort of distribution with a peak at someplace and a long tail
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# [02:56] <@bz> jorendorff: with some outliers on the tail
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# [02:56] <@bz> jorendorff: exactly where the peak will be... who knows. Probably in the hundreds to thousands range
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# [02:56] <@bz> jorendorff: at a complete guess
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# [02:57] <jorendorff> I worry that it'll be really sensitive to where we put the peak
# [02:57] <@bz> jorendorff: yep
# [02:57] <@bz> jorendorff: given the doubling behavior...
# [02:57] <jorendorff> darn it!
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# [02:58] <jorendorff> bz: if I subtract the two lines in log-log space, i get something that can be averaged -- maybe i should do that
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# [02:59] <@bz> sure
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# [02:59] <@bz> that would just be the log of the ratio
# [02:59] <jorendorff> arithmetic mean in log space is what, geometric mean?
# [03:00] <@bz> yes
# [03:00] <@bz> you could always pretend this is a Poisson distribution kinda thing
# [03:00] <@bz> but then you need to pick a parameter
# [03:01] * jorendorff hates picking parameters
# [03:01] <@bz> and for this case it's not clear to me why this would be a one-parameter thing anyway
# [03:01] <@bz> seems like the width and peak location might not be interrelated
# [03:01] <@bz> one option is that you could measure hashtable loads in our code
# [03:01] <@bz> and use that data
# [03:01] <@bz> on the completely unwarranted assumption that we do things that are similar to what web pages do
# [03:01] <@bz> in terms of our map/set usage
# [03:02] <jorendorff> i don't *hate* measuring
# [03:02] <jorendorff> but i'm not going to do it
# [03:02] <@bz> ok
# [03:02] <@bz> I think that's fine
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# [03:02] <jorendorff> ok - thanks for looking at it, i'm going to punt i guess
# [03:02] <@bz> I don't think there's an obvious easy way out here
# [03:02] <@bz> well
# [03:03] <@bz> actually
# [03:03] <@bz> maybe there is
# [03:03] * jorendorff looks interested
# [03:03] <@bz> really, we have no idea what the hell the distribution will look like
# [03:03] <jorendorff> i'm going to be afk for a few minutes, privmsg me
# [03:03] <jorendorff> or make your answer really funny and post it to qdb
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# [03:08] <@khuey> when reporting expenses via shoeboxed
# [03:08] <@khuey> I really wish every email didn't beg me to tell my friends about shoeboxed
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# [03:10] <birtles> dbaron, ping?
# [03:10] <@bz> I really wish it didn't take them a day or four for "data verification"
# [03:10] <birtles> dbaron, does CSS transitions need to specify whether transition events are dispatched synchronously or asynchronously?
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# [03:34] <rnewman> merging m-i to m-c
# [03:34] <rnewman> actually, let me check how much time I have before I say something rash like that
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# [03:39] <philor> do it, I'll be home in less than an hour, what could go wrong in that little bit of time?
# [03:40] <@dolske> depends on how much bandwidth hg.mo has.
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# [03:43] <rnewman> done
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# [03:56] <dholbert> dveditz, should I set status-firefox-esr10 from "affected" to "fixed" after landing on ESR?
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# [03:57] <bholley> dveditz: you around?
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# [03:58] <dholbert> (just want to be sure b/c an "ESR 10" version is already out, and _that_ "ESR 10" release is "affected" -- not "fixed")
# [03:59] <bholley> dholbert: hah, I just came to ask something similar
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# [04:00] <mbrubeck> dholbert: The answer is "yes" based on other ESR10 bugs I've followed, e.g. bug 714547
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# [04:01] <dholbert> mbrubeck, I've seen people set it to "fixed" on other bugs, too, but I'm not sure whether that was correct or not :)
# [04:02] <mbrubeck> As far as I know, *all* of the status-XXX flags get set when the patch lands (as opposed to, say, when it's released to users)
# [04:03] <dholbert> mbrubeck, the difference though is that in most cases, we set status-firefox-N to "fixed" before firefox-N is released
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# [04:04] <mbrubeck> Yeah, I guess it might be nice to have a "fixed .3" status like we have for status1.9.2
# [04:04] <dholbert> exactly
# [04:04] <dholbert> hence the clarification, to be sure I'm not erasing history of "this bug did affect [release N] but it was fixed in [release N.01]"
# [04:05] <Jesse> rnewman: yikes, the m-i commit that got merged was from 11am
# [04:05] <mbrubeck> According to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/ESR_Landing_Process, status-esr10:affected is used to track "needs to land now" patches
# [04:05] <mbrubeck> which would indicate you should change it after landing.
# [04:06] <rnewman> Jesse: yeah, lots of coalescing
# [04:06] <rnewman> that was the latest green win PGO
# [04:06] <dholbert> mbrubeck, yeah, that was my inference as well
# [04:06] <dholbert> mbrubeck, (so yes, I'm 90% sure that "fixed" is correct, just wanted to get an authoritative answer from an ESR driver person before stomping on ESR tracking flags)
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# [04:12] <njn> taras: where can I download about:jank?
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# [04:15] <njn> AMO's search gives me nothing for "about:jank" or "jank"
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# [04:18] <Jesse> njn: file a bug
# [04:18] <dholbert> njn, does your search URL have &version=yourFirefoxVersion in it?
# [04:18] <dholbert> try removing that, if so
# [04:19] <dholbert> njn, AMO search uses that to filter out extensions that are incompatible with your firefox version
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# [04:19] <dholbert> er it's &appver=[...]
# [04:19] <njn> dholbert: ah that's it
# [04:20] <dholbert> njn, that's bitten me in the past; AIUI, it's a feature, not a bug
# [04:20] <njn> how annoying, when it lets me override the incompatibility warning anyway
# [04:20] <dholbert> yeah
# [04:20] <njn> dholbert: thanks
# [04:20] <dholbert> np
# [04:22] <dholbert> njn: ah -- AMO does have UI to show you that it's doing a version-restricted search
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# [04:23] <dholbert> njn, it's on the left "Works with..." -- shows the firefox version it's searching for. you can click that to broaden the search (instead of editing the URL)
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# [04:24] <njn> dholbert: true... that makes it a bit better
# [04:24] <njn> dholbert: still the wrong default, IMO, but not so bad
# [04:25] <dholbert> yeah
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# [04:27] <njn> dholbert: what's the status of warnings-as-errors right now?
# [04:28] <dholbert> njn, it's on by default on tinderboxen, and you can use it locally if you like, but it's only for specific whitelisted directories (and there aren't many of those)
# [04:29] <njn> dholbert: are you planning to add any new dirs to the whitelist?
# [04:29] <dholbert> njn, I've added a few. I don't have any that I'm planning to add at the moment
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# [04:29] <njn> dholbert: ok. You and mounir got a toe-hold, that's a good start :)
# [04:30] <dholbert> yeah! :)
# [04:30] <dholbert> and it hasn't caused major pain AFAICT
# [04:30] <dholbert> \o/
# [04:30] <njn> how did you decide which dirs to add to the whitelist?
# [04:30] <dholbert> I just picked a few directories that I'd touched code in were already warning-free or were near-warning-free
# [04:30] <dholbert> (and fixed the warnings in the latter case)
# [04:30] <njn> ok. also, IIRC, it's just GCC warnings that cause errors and doesn't include -Wuninitialized, is that right?
# [04:31] <dholbert> correct
# [04:31] <dholbert> well
# [04:31] <dholbert> if you build with clang, then clang warnings will cause errors
# [04:31] <njn> clang too, ok
# [04:31] <dholbert> (if you have that mozconfig option turned on)
# [04:31] <njn> you should blog about this :)
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# [04:32] <dholbert> njn, by which I mean, you don't want to be using this mozconfig option if you're building with clang, because it probably won't work. :)
# [04:33] <dholbert> njn, yeah, probably -- or mounir should :)
# [04:33] <njn> dholbert: a small amount of "I told you so" is in order...
# [04:33] <njn> though maybe not enough dirs are whitelisted to get too cocky
# [04:33] <dholbert> njn, heh. yeah, probably not
# [04:34] <dholbert> njn, maybe I'll add a few more and then write up a blog post in that spirit. :)
# [04:34] <njn> but just advertising it more and explaining what exactly happens would be useful
# [04:34] <dholbert> yeah
# [04:34] <njn> even without cockiness
# [04:35] <dholbert> heh :)
# [04:35] <dholbert> probably a good idea :)
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# [05:17] <philor> rnewman: oh, yeah, I'm home, I can take the tree reins anytime you need to take off
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# [05:18] <rnewman> thanks philor
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# [05:18] <rnewman> I'll keep half an eye on it for a bit longer, then run to the gym
# [05:18] <rnewman> looking pretty green
# [05:18] <rnewman> hooray for inbound
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# [05:21] <qheaden> Hmm. Does the -no-remote switch for in Linux?
# [05:21] <qheaden> *work for
# [05:22] <qheaden> I'm trying to create a new instance, but I keep getting an error saying Firefox is already running, which it is. But the switch should handle that.
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# [05:23] <rnewman> qheaden: are you opening the same profile?
# [05:24] <rnewman> you can open multiple firefox processes, but each needs a different profile, or you'll get that error
# [05:24] <qheaden> No. I'm using the -P switch with it.
# [05:24] <qheaden> And the profile name of course.
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# [05:24] <rnewman> hmm
# [05:24] <rnewman> in that case, *shrug*
# [05:24] <qheaden> I'm calling it like "firefox -no-remote -P mozdev"
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# [05:25] <rnewman> any lockfiles in the profile directories?
# [05:25] <rnewman> .parentlock, iirc
# [05:25] <qheaden> Not sure. Where are profiles stored again?
# [05:25] <qheaden> Nevermind
# [05:25] <rnewman> ~/.mozilla/firefox/profiles, iirc
# [05:26] <qheaden> I see a .parentlock file
# [05:26] <rnewman> if you see that, but no firefox running with that profile, you probably had a crash
# [05:26] <rnewman> rm the file and rock on
# [05:26] <qheaden> Ahh ok. Thanks
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# [05:28] <qheaden> Hmm still not working. Lemme check if my normal firefox is using my dev profile.
# [05:30] <qheaden> AHA! My normal firefox was using my dev profile. :P Must have set it by mistake.
# [05:30] <philor> rnewman: can't remember if I told you guys or cc'ed anybody, but s-c is getting PGO builds, probably the next buildbot reconfig
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# [05:31] <rnewman> awesome
# [05:31] <rnewman> first-class citizen, ho!
# [05:31] <philor> yay, more orange, continuing to build up even when nobody pushes ;)
# [05:31] <rnewman> heh
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# [05:32] <jdm> does anybody know where I should file a bug to get access to the big addon source index?
# [05:33] <glob> jdm, mozilla.org / server ops? (via bug 694338)
# [05:33] <jdm> thanks
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# [05:34] <jdm> glob: heh, not authorized to view that :P
# [05:34] <glob> jdm, it's someone requesting access to xmr/addons, marked as fixed, in server ops component
# [05:34] <glob> *mxr
# [05:34] <jdm> got it
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# [05:37] <jdm> why can't gavin just add a :gavin to his name :(
# [05:37] <jdm> I mess it up every time
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# [05:39] <darktrojan> jdm++
# [05:39] <darktrojan> ooh, also I could probably do with access to mxr/addons
# [05:40] <darktrojan> to see all this stuff I'm breaking :D
# [05:40] <@bz> do we have a tbpl for esr10?
# [05:40] <jtcranmer> I believe so
# [05:40] <@bz> yes
# [05:40] <@bz> we do
# [05:40] <@bz> good
# [05:42] <darktrojan> oh come on, guess which tests I already know the result of https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=e53393758db7
# [05:44] <philor> bz: I got you covered down there, I've already got it open
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# [05:44] <philor> while waiting for more 10.6 debug builds to time out
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# [05:44] <philor> though I guess if I'm going to make claims like that, I ought to make myself a tree for it
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# [05:50] <qheaden> Unfocused: ping
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# [05:51] <@bz> are auto arrays memmove-safe yet?
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# [05:59] <philor> bug 684745 doesn't win the Useful Bug Summary Award
# [05:59] <@bz> heh
# [06:00] <philor> Intermittent JS Assert in some M5 test that you may no longer know about, because I trimmed it out of comment 0 and the log is long gone
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# [06:14] <philor> �\Q
# [06:14] <philor> --- Press `Q' to quit, or any other key to continue ---
# [06:14] <philor> now *that* is my kind of build error
# [06:15] <philor> far better than the last one, which was ��
# [06:18] <philor> oops, better file my esr10 bug, so I can star them
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# [06:33] <@khuey> philor: I think I'm going to have to take PTO until further notice
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# [06:33] <philor> heh
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# [06:34] <philor> nthomas threatened that we should make rail_buildduty watch one, and oddly enough he wasn't heard from again the rest of the day
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# [06:34] <philor> you don't have to watch the whole *build*, it's just make package
# [06:35] <philor> and you don't have to watch a PGO build, most of them are non-PGO
# [06:35] <philor> it'll be fun! like watching paint blister, or grass turn brown
# [06:35] <@khuey> does it happen on a bunch of slaves?
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# [06:37] <qheaden> I'm a little confused on the search engine keywords. What exactly are they in the browser?
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# [06:40] <philor> yeah, I wanted to blame the slave, but the first four were all on different ones
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# [06:41] <@khuey> darn
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# [06:42] <jdm> qheaden: I have mxr bound to an mxr search, and bz bound to the bugzilla quicksearch
# [06:42] <jdm> also mxrf for a file search
# [06:43] <qheaden> jdm: Ahh ok. So basically you can type a keyword into the address bar for a certain kind of search?
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# [06:43] <jdm> qheaden: right, and you give it the search string as well
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# [06:44] <jdm> it performs a post on the given url
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# [06:44] <qheaden> Where do you bind those keywords?
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# [06:45] <jdm> qheaden: right click on an input box, typically, and select Add a Keyword for this Search
# [06:46] <taras> njn: be warned that about:jank is still not super useful
# [06:46] <njn> taras: I was just curious
# [06:46] <njn> taras: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1491395
# [06:46] <qheaden> Cool
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# [06:48] <taras> njn: ...?
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# [06:48] <taras> clearly you are loading webpages :)
# [06:49] <qheaden> jdm: Wow, never knew about that feature. :) Thanks for clearing that up.
# [06:49] <jdm> yeah, I would be exceedingly frustrated without it
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# [06:49] <qheaden> Do the existing search addons have any keywords associated with them by default?
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# [06:50] <jdm> I don't believe so
# [06:50] <qheaden> Ok.
# [06:50] <qheaden> Yeah, it doesn't look like they do.
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# [06:51] <philor> there's a single keyword pool between search and bookmarks, so we can't because we don't know what keywords the user might have on bookmarks, is the way I remember it
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# [06:51] <qheaden> Makes sense.
# [06:51] <qheaden> Plus, the search URLs for search engines might change for whatever reason.
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# [07:03] <philor> huh, how did that happen? I've got five bugs assigned to me, all releng
# [07:03] <pcglue> I'm running a firefox debug build. Where does PR_LOG() in docshell/base/nsDocShell.cpp log to? Do I need to enable it in a setting somewhere?
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# [07:03] <sfink> philor: I can give you a few more, if you'd like
# [07:04] <sfink> pcglue: set NSPR_LOG_FILE to an output filename
# [07:04] <philor> kind of you to offer, very kind, thank you no, but a generous offer
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# [07:05] <philor> it was the distribution that surprised me, not the paltry number
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# [07:06] <sfink> bug 729687 is calling out for you
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# [07:08] <philor> nah - the overload is actually that they run virus checks on releases on the same machine that gets the log uploads, and drive the load on it through the roof, but I'll let them explain that and decide whether there's any better way of uploading logs to a slammed machine
# [07:08] <jdm> sfink: by the way, the bzexport component exists in bugzilla now
# [07:08] <sfink> cool! Thanks!
# [07:09] <qheaden> Off to bed I go. Later everyone.
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# [07:09] <jdm> pcglue: along with the NSPR_LOG_FILE var, you need to set NSPR_LOG_MODULES=nsDocShell:5, I believe
# [07:09] <sfink> (though I first read that as "bugzilla now implements bzexport natively" at first, and was trying to figure out what that would mean)
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# [07:11] <sfink> philor: I know! I know!
# [07:12] <sfink> Don't run virus checks on the same machine that catches logs?
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# [07:12] <philor> in the glorious scl3 future, when we have a new colo filled with shiny new machines as far as the eye can see...
# [07:13] <philor> which means sometime after April, though there's a bug about maybe before
# [07:13] <sfink> Ok, 2nd guess: put them in separate cgroups and let God sort 'em out?
# [07:13] <pcglue> jdm: Hmmm... still not logging with those two env vars set. Is PR_LOGGING #defined when I do a debug build (with "ac_add_options --enable-debug" in mozconfig)?
# [07:14] <jdm> pcglue: NSPR logging should work in both debug and release builds
# [07:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cd120efbe4c6 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 728538. (Bv2) browser_ConsoleStorageAPITests.js: Set "browser.tabs.max_tabs_undo" preference, Document code. r=gavin.sharp.
# [07:15] <jdm> pcglue: just to check - are you looking in the file you specified in NSPR_LOG_FILE?
# [07:15] <jdm> who are these crazy folk who land directly on mozilla-central
# [07:16] <philor> mmmmph. murble mmmmph. mmmmph!
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# [07:16] <pcglue> jdm: the file doesn't exist. Does it get created if it doesn't exist? If NSPR_LOG_FILE=logfile.txt and my current dir is objdir/dist/bin (where I start firefox on the command line), is that where logfile.txt should be located?
# [07:17] <jdm> pcglue: that's dicey. give it an absolute path and avoid the issue entirely :)
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# [07:21] <GPHemsley> Is it just me, or is hg.mo really slow?
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# [07:24] <pcglue> jdm: OK, NSPR_LOG_FILE=c:\mozilla-central\logfile.txt and NSPR_LOG_MODULE=nsDocShell:5, but still no dice. logfile.txt doesn't get created. I added a PR_LOG() in nsDocShell::Init(). Should that output something just by starting firefox?
# [07:24] <jdm> pcglue: try using / instead of \ ?
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# [07:24] <jdm> and yes, that should definitely output things
# [07:24] <jdm> oh
# [07:24] <jdm> pcglue: NSPR_LOG_MODULES
# [07:25] <pcglue> arg... ok, let me try that.
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# [07:26] <pcglue> jdm: that was it. thanks!
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# [07:31] <sfink> poor jdm is the maintainer of a tool that makes it easy to request reviews
# [07:31] <jdm> hoisted by my own petard
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# [07:35] <pcglue> jdm: when I add PR_LOG() calls to nsDocShell.cpp, I do a make just in objdir/docshell/base, but that doesn't seem to be enough. Do you know what else I need to make if I want to avoid a full-blown make?
# [07:35] <sfink> oh yes he does
# [07:35] <jdm> pcglue: make -C objdir/toolkit/library
# [07:35] <jdm> sfink: heh
# [07:35] <jdm> pcglue: or, just use http://hg.mozilla.org/users/josh_joshmatthews.net/smartmake
# [07:35] <romaxa> glandium: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475488#c7
# [07:36] <pcglue> jdm: ok, thanks
# [07:36] <kwierso> GPHemsley: just you
# [07:36] <GPHemsley> weird
# [07:36] <jdm> I dream of the day when I can stop maintaining smartmake and rely on the build system instead
# [07:36] <jdm> go go gadget joey
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# [07:59] <glandium> romaxa: answered in the bug
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# [08:43] <darktrojan> ah, glob, just the man
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# [08:43] <darktrojan> :(
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# [08:44] <darktrojan> don't you like being wanted?
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# [08:44] <glob> darktrojan, it's the "dead or alive" part that scares me
# [08:44] <darktrojan> heh
# [08:44] <glob> sup?
# [08:44] <darktrojan> can there be some kinda "other bugs mentioned in this email message" in bugmail?
# [08:45] <darktrojan> e.g. when blocking bugs are added or removed
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# [08:46] <darktrojan> bug numbers don't mean much to me, I'm not gavinbot
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# [08:47] <glob> it's probably best to wait for 4.2 for that one. html email, with title attributes on the bug number
# [08:47] <glob> also, that shits me too
# [08:48] <darktrojan> k
# [08:50] <kwierso> glob: ooh, so "depends on: 7xxxxxx" will be a direct link to that dependency bug from the bugmail?
# [08:50] <kwierso> I support this plan
# [08:51] <glob> kwierso, yes
# [08:51] <kwierso> glob++
# [08:51] <darktrojan> I support not having 7 million bugs
# [08:51] <glob> darktrojan, you're thinking of yahoo
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# [08:52] <glob> darktrojan, well, 5,397,819 bugs
# [08:52] <glob> 29,043,346 comments
# [08:52] <glob> </useless info>
# [08:54] <darktrojan> what's that number, glob?
# [08:54] <glob> yahoo's bugzilla instance has ...
# [08:54] <@dolske> omg
# [08:54] <darktrojan> oic
# [08:54] <darktrojan> no surprises really
# [08:54] <glob> one bug has > 98k comments
# [08:54] <@dolske> that will be the name of my new gameshow. "What's That Number, Glob?"
# [08:54] <@bz> glob: uh
# [08:54] <glob> dolske, lol
# [08:54] <darktrojan> :D
# [08:55] <@bz> glob: for real?
# [08:55] <@dolske> I didn't know philor was moonlighting for yahoo.
# [08:55] <darktrojan> will it have trophies with stars on them, dolske ?
# [08:55] <glob> bz, yes. they were using bugzilla as an error log collector. the bug doesn't load
# [08:55] <@bz> error
# [08:55] <@bz> log
# [08:55] <@bz> collector
# [08:55] <ewong> 98k comments? Ouch
# [08:55] <@bz> you know, that's kinda like the randomorange thing....
# [08:55] * kwierso wonders if the rate of bugs has gone down since yahoo started mirroring bing
# [08:55] * @bz wonders how big some of those bugs are getting
# [08:56] <@dolske> or "bug mng". *cough*
# [08:56] <glob> bz, or largest is around 1000 comments, but it falls off rapidly after that
# [08:56] <glob> *our
# [08:56] <@bz> mhrm
# [08:56] <@bz> we should fix those randomoranges
# [08:57] <philor> 1100, and two driving rapidly toward 1000, one of them caused by.... bz
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# [08:58] <philor> though I think the CSS leak is going to get there first, and be more impressive than either of the others, since it's not tbplbot produced, it's all manually copy-pasted URLs
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# [08:58] <philor> "impressive"
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# [09:00] <kwierso> philor: ping
# [09:00] <@bz> philor: which one is that?
# [09:01] <philor> kwierso: pong
# [09:01] <philor> bz: bug 718316
# [09:02] <philor> top of the Orange Factor hit parade for the week
# [09:02] <@bz> that's caused by mstange, no?
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# [09:03] <@bz> anyway
# [09:03] <philor> that's too fine a distinction for me, all I remembered was that you landed it, and you're the assignee
# [09:03] * @bz should look into it....
# [09:03] <kwierso> philor: (or anyone else, I guess): https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?usetinderbox=1&tree=Jetpack&rev=1285c3791d82
# [09:03] <kwierso> would you happen to know how to get that mozilla-beta orange retriggered?
# [09:03] <@bz> but not tonight
# [09:03] <kwierso> I know those tests get run each time something's pushed to the jetpack repository
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# [09:04] <philor> kwierso: I bet it's not hooked up to self-serve
# [09:05] <hub> how do I know which head is m-i and which is m-c (when I do a "hg heads")
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# [09:05] <kwierso> philor: I guess we can wait for the next push to get it retested (I mean, it's been completely permaorange for weeks prior to todayish), but I don't see why only one build on one platform would timeout
# [09:05] <kwierso> philor: (is this how the madness starts?)
# [09:05] <philor> kwierso: yep - the answer would be "click on the orange letter, in the bottom center there's a blue +, click that" but when you do you get told "TypeError: builds.filter is not a function" which is the rather subtle message for "this branch isn't something that self-serve knows about"
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# [09:06] <philor> indeed
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# [09:06] <kwierso> works for me
# [09:06] <kwierso> the situation, not the button
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# [09:08] <philor> mmm, not sure that's the best way to handle assertions, looks like STACK_AND_TIMEOUT :)
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# [09:09] <philor> or, without symbols, BUSTED_STACK_AND_TIMEOUT
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# [09:12] <philor> kwierso: ah, you star it as bug 689291, and then tell yourself that having done so was somehow helpful and useful :)
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# [09:13] <philor> which it sort of is, except for the whole lack of symbols and worthless stack part
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# [09:14] <hub> hg out show I have one patch outgoing, and this is not true :-/
# [09:15] <jst> hmm, anyone else seeing make[6]: *** No rule to make target `../../../xpcom/idl-parser/xpidllex.py', needed by `libs'. Stop.
# [09:15] <jst> ?
# [09:15] <darktrojan> see the topic
# [09:15] <jst> Duh, thanks!
# [09:16] <darktrojan> hub, hg never lies
# [09:17] <hub> darktrojan: I ended up doing a hg strip
# [09:17] <darktrojan> heh
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# [10:16] <ewong> I took the liberty of starring 2 oth oranges on serge's push.. can someone please clarify if I starred it right?
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# [10:57] <darktrojan> automate reftest comparison, hash result, post to bugzilla
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# [10:57] <NeilAway> darktrojan: indeed...
# [10:58] <darktrojan> why are we doing all this starring?
# [10:58] <NeilAway> philor's always wanted a starring role
# [10:58] <ewong> "it's fun" <tm>
# [10:58] <NeilAway> (sorry, I'm in Oscar mode)
# [10:58] <darktrojan> heh
# [10:58] <darktrojan> the grouch?
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# [11:04] <darktrojan> actually, duh, step 1 is already done
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# [11:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/06b24fa2aae4 - Etienne Segonzac - Bug 730230 - Enabling dom.send_after_paint_to_content in B2G [r=cjones] DONTBUILD because NPOTB
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# [11:34] <reuben> did we land and backout new video codec support in nightly? youtube html5 was working for nearly every video I played until a couple days ago
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# [11:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/412a15dd2d38 - Fabrice Desré - Bug 730176 - Volume buttons don't control call volume [r=cjones]
# [11:56] <gcp> ###!!! ABORT: must call nsHTMLReflowState& version during reflow: '!(f->GetStateBits() & NS_FRAME_IN_REFLOW)', file /home/morbo/hg/mozilla-central/layout/base/nsLayoutUtils.cpp, line 4789
# [12:00] <Ms2ger> bt
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# [12:04] <Ms2ger> Morning edmorley
# [12:04] <Ms2ger> glob|away, bah, html emails
# [12:04] <glob|away> Ms2ger, optional
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# [12:04] <Ms2ger> But I want links in my plaintext!
# [12:04] <NeilAway> darktrojan: hmm, I wonder how far I'll have to go to get the prize for the most attachments on one bug ;-)
# [12:05] <darktrojan> ask glob
# [12:05] <mak> I seem to remember a bug with 31 parts
# [12:05] <edmorley> Ms2ger: good morning :-)
# [12:05] * glob|away doesn't have direct db access :(
# [12:05] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, I got to 28 or so
# [12:05] <edmorley> NeilAway: you'll have to beat mounir
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# [12:05] <Ms2ger> But mounir is probably the one to beat, yes
# [12:06] <darktrojan> I'd rather we just had the bug fixed
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# [12:06] <darktrojan> also if it got gzipped that'd be nice
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# [12:07] <darktrojan> (planet, that is, for those playing along at home)
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# [12:09] <mak> NeilAway: bug 564991 had 44 parts
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# [12:10] <mak> bug 526394 had 36
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# [12:11] <NeilAway> mak: ah, so I'm half-way :-)
# [12:11] <mounir> edmorley: why? :)
# [12:12] <mak> the former is probably the winner, can't find anything longer, though I'm just making simple searches for "part XX"strings in attachment names
# [12:12] <edmorley> mounir: I thought your bugs normally had the most patches attached :-)
# [12:12] <mounir> oh, someone wants to beat my WebSMS patches count :)
# [12:12] <edmorley> not you! :-)
# [12:12] <mak> mounir: how many?
# [12:12] <mounir> I think roc did better that me
# [12:12] <mounir> mak: I do not remember >30 I think
# [12:12] <mak> good, though 44 is probably the current record
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# [12:13] <darktrojan> I've got a 42 patcher, but they're not all mine
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# [12:15] <Unfocused> i once downloaded all the websites on the internet and attached them to bugzilla
# [12:15] <Unfocused> it took a long time
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# [12:16] <darktrojan> recursion problem
# [12:16] <jfkthame> no wonder b.m.o has been slow lately - it's _your_ fault!
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# [12:24] <lurking> pong
# [12:25] <Ms2ger> setShared(cx, &**g);
# [12:25] <Ms2ger> Eh
# [12:25] <Honza> lurking I noticed you have been using CCDump
# [12:25] <Honza> and had some difficulties...
# [12:25] <Honza> is there anything I could improve?
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# [12:27] <lurking> well, I don't know if they are difficulties or my lack of understand the tech side of software - I started reading the 'about' tab and that helped some, but I just dont know what I'm looking at , I didn't have a lot of time to really dig in as I was coming down with something and didn't feel like digging
# [12:27] <lurking> Honza: I'll try to play with some more today, and see if I can make some sense of data
# [12:27] <Honza> lurking: great
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# [12:27] <lurking> finding leaked/leaky documents , zombies seems to me at least a little obtuse - but it may be just me
# [12:28] <Honza> lurking: the latest version is here: https://github.com/janodvarko/ccdump/downloads
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# [12:29] <Honza> lurking: yes, my experience when hunting down these zombies is very bad, that's why I wanted the CC API and dynamic analysys
# [12:29] <lurking> ooh, I just found 0.2.0 yesterday, I'll grab the 0.3.0 one after I get some coffee in me.. just got up :)
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# [12:29] <Honza> lurking: yes there are some improvements, and 0.4 is comming
# [12:29] <lurking> Honza: I'll give it play and see if I can figure it out
# [12:29] <lurking> Honza: ooh, great
# [12:30] <lurking> will it 'update' when checked
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# [12:30] <Honza> It's not yet on AMO
# [12:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/caba10b48567 - Michael Wu - Bug 730206 - Avoid flash of white at startup, r=cjones DONTBUILD because NPOTB
# [12:30] <Honza> But will be next week
# [12:31] <lurking> ok, great - thanks for your time
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# [12:31] <Ms2ger> edmorley, so, mind fixing the lie in the m-c tree status?
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# [12:35] <edmorley> Ms2ger: which one, that people follow the tree rules, or that people use inbound? :-)
# [12:35] <Ms2ger> The latter
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# [12:36] <Honza> lurking: my motivation for the extension was actually to find and fix all mem leaks in Firebug
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# [12:37] <Honza> (I have found two and fixed one this week)
# [12:37] <edmorley> Ms2ger: better?
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# [12:37] <lurking> ok, that's great - I don't use Firebug, nor am I a coder - but I still like helping to improve the product if I can
# [12:39] <darktrojan> "6 INFO TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | testBookmark | bookmarks list has 5 children (a header and 4 folders) - got 0, expected 5"
# [12:39] <darktrojan> why is that a purple?
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# [12:40] <jfkthame> it's probably orange with a purple overlay
# [12:40] <darktrojan> pretty
# [12:42] <Unfocused> you should make it sparkle too
# [12:42] <darktrojan> I gave it a nice star, does that count?
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# [12:42] <Unfocused> close enough
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# [12:47] <Ms2ger> edmorley, :)
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# [12:53] <Ms2ger> Argh
# [12:54] <Ms2ger> Why does this only crash when I don't have gdb attached?
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# [13:00] <edmorley> rnewman|afk, mak: thank you for the merges :-)
# [13:00] <mak> edmorley: you should just relax and listen to music :)
# [13:02] <Ms2ger> And call clients :)
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# [13:04] <edmorley> mak: sadly more of a case of catching up with non-mozilla work, so that I don't have to make that "will star for food" sign after all... :-)
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# [13:05] <mak> find someone else to do you non-mozilla work :p
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# [13:12] <Ms2ger> ASSERTION: Uh, IsInModalState() called w/o a reachable top window?
# [13:12] <Ms2ger> Known?
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# [13:16] <jfkthame> (probably in my local builds?)
# [13:16] <Ms2ger> How do I set a pref when running mochitests?
# [13:18] <Ms2ger> Found it
# [13:18] <jfkthame> several bugs include that in their description, btw - 404828, 511467, 719719
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# [13:30] <Ms2ger> Is make buildsymbols supposed to work?
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# [13:42] <Ms2ger> bjacob, can I claim http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1491425 isn't my fault?
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# [13:44] <Standard8> Is anyone able to enable different personas via the appearance tab of add-on manager on trunk?
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# [13:46] <Ms2ger> Why would you use the add-on manager to change something about BrowserID?
# [13:46] <Standard8> Ms2ger: personas not persona
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# [14:05] <NeilAway> muahahaha
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# [14:10] <bjacob> Ms2ger: pong
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# [14:10] <bjacob> Ms2ger: yes, mesa bug
# [14:11] <Ms2ger> Ta
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# [14:25] <Ms2ger> bjacob, hmm, a green M1
# [14:25] <bjacob> Ms2ger: wonderful!
# [14:25] <Ms2ger> Now, to get this patch into a reviewable shape
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# [14:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/afc1125f9c14 - Jonas Sicking - Bug 722626: Implement DOMRequest object. r=mrbkap
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# [14:29] <Ms2ger> sicking, bah, adding PR_TRUEs
# [14:30] <sicking> Ms2ger: doh! copy-paste error, sorry :(
# [14:30] <sicking> why do we still have PR_TRUE in the tree :(
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# [14:30] <Ms2ger> ALL YOUR FAULT
# [14:30] <Ms2ger> Er, hi espindola
# [14:30] <sicking> i don't think PR_TRUE being in the tree is my fault in any way
# [14:30] <espindola> Ms2ger, hey
# [14:30] <espindola> what is up?
# [14:30] <sicking> in fact, i'm pretty sure that is the case :)
# [14:31] <Ms2ger> sicking's been adding PR_TRUEs to my code :(
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# [14:32] <espindola> I thought they were extinct
# [14:32] <glandium> Ms2ger: there is no such thing as /your/ code
# [14:32] <Ms2ger> sicking, you reviewed https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/778597344568 !
# [14:32] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: don't you men PR_ALL_YOUR_FAULT ?
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# [14:33] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, no, PR_NS_PL_MOZ_ALL_YOUR_FAULT
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# [14:36] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: that's just silly, although I would have accepted PR_ALL PL_YOUR NS_FAULT
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# [14:38] <bjacob> i need help with windows linking:
# [14:38] <bjacob> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1491427
# [14:39] <bjacob> these 2 unresolved external symbols are declared in this file:
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# [14:40] <bjacob> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/afc1125f9c14/gfx/angle/include/GLSLANG/ShaderLang.h
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# [14:41] <jlebar|mac> Do we have a macro for detecting big endian?
# [14:41] <bjacob> and defined int:
# [14:41] <bjacob> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/afc1125f9c14/gfx/angle/src/compiler/ShaderLang.cpp
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# [14:42] <jfkthame> are we successfully using other symbols from there?
# [14:42] <bjacob> what i dont understand is why is e.g. ShGetActiveUniform giving me trouble, where as e.g. ShCompile, defined and declared in the same places, works fine ??
# [14:42] <glandium> bjacob: where is the code actually defining the functions?
# [14:42] <bjacob> jfkthame: exactly! ^
# [14:42] <bjacob> glandium: see the second link, .cpp
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# [14:45] <bjacob> i suspected a problem with these functions getting inlined, so i added _declspec(noinline), but that didn't make a difference
# [14:45] <glandium> bjacob: did you check http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/799kze2z%28v=vs.71%29.aspx ?
# [14:45] <bjacob> oh wait... i put the declspec on the definition, maybe i should have put it on the declaration
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# [14:46] <bjacob> glandium: i did check the equivalent page for 2005
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# [14:47] <bjacob> these functions are declared extern "C", by the way
# [14:48] <glandium> bjacob: did you check the hints ?
# [14:48] <glandium> from that page
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# [14:49] <bjacob> glandium: yes, but i dont see anything that explains a problem with these functions and not with other functions from the same file
# [14:49] <bjacob> such as ShCompile and ShGetInfo
# [14:50] <pranavrc> msucan, ping
# [14:50] <glandium> bjacob: you should check the caller, CompileShader
# [14:50] <bjacob> glandium: what should I be looking for, there?
# [14:50] <msucan> pranavrc: pong
# [14:50] <bjacob> as i'm not getting any compilation error....
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# [14:50] <glandium> bjacob: how they get the declaration
# [14:51] <bjacob> #include "angle/ShaderLang.h"
# [14:51] <pranavrc> msucan, hey, I've written an updated patch for #725430, but weirdly, I'm not able to test it out with different modes because setMode() doesn't seem to be working
# [14:51] <pranavrc> like, I opened a html file and it still stays in js mode
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# [14:52] <glandium> bjacob: you should probably check the preprocessed files
# [14:52] <bjacob> glandium: ok
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# [14:53] <bjacob> glandium: well, not easy to do from tryserver. i need to get a win machine
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# [14:54] <msucan> pranavrc: we have tests that check setMode() works, and scratchpad and the style editor do use that feature to have different highlighting
# [14:54] <msucan> pranavrc: what's not working?
# [14:54] <msucan> pranavrc: did you open the html file in scratchpad?
# [14:55] <pranavrc> msucan, yeah...I'm using different comment symbols based on different modes, but everything seems to use the js symbols
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# [14:55] <pranavrc> if you'd like to see the patch now, i'll pastebin it
# [14:55] <msucan> pranavrc: that's correct in scratchpad. we do not change the mode to html/css/text when users open different files
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# [14:56] <msucan> pranavrc: scratchpad is made only for js editing, hence it doesn't change the mode
# [14:56] <msucan> pranavrc: so, for your testing purposes, if you want to see if your code works, open the style editor
# [14:56] <msucan> to try the css mode
# [14:57] <pranavrc> ah
# [14:57] <pranavrc> alright, i'll try that
# [14:57] <msucan> pranavrc: to try the html mode you can, for example, open browser/devtools/scratchpad/scratchpad.js and change the editor mode to HTML
# [14:57] <msucan> (search for new SourceEditor in the scratchpad.js)
# [14:58] <jlebar|mac> bjacob: I'm just trying to minimize the number of hash functions we check in.
# [14:58] <msucan> pranavrc: obviously, you do this only temporarily, to test your code. we don't need this change in the patch ;)
# [14:58] <msucan> pranavrc: when you get to write the mochitest, you'll change the editor mode from the test code
# [14:58] <bjacob> jlebar|mac: makes sense. but that one is in third-party code so wouldn't share code anyways
# [14:59] <pranavrc> msucan, sounds good
# [14:59] <jlebar|mac> bjacob: I see.
# [14:59] <msucan> pranavrc: great! thanks for your work!
# [14:59] <pranavrc> msucan, righto :) I'll submit the patch asap
# [15:00] <msucan> coolies :)
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# [15:01] <AryehGregor> Should I be worried about the red build for OS X debug? What does it mean? The reftests passed, and the log says no errors . . .
# [15:01] <AryehGregor> Er, link: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=2d9a5a015673
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# [15:02] <glandium> bjacob: you can get a win VM. or dualboot
# [15:03] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, I think seems that you're not alone in getting red OSX debugs on try
# [15:03] <bjacob> glandium: it's just that my win partition has a really strange problem with firefox (and no other app) crashing on startup very often, in a way i've not been able to debug (looks like OOM, on a machine with 12 G of RAM, even with clean profile)
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# [15:03] <Ms2ger> s/wrong grammar/correct grammar/
# [15:03] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, what does it mean? Did something in the build fail?
# [15:04] <@khuey> hsivonen: why would we need to block pages reachable from a page?
# [15:04] <glandium> bjacob: reinstall :)
# [15:04] <bjacob> glandium: yes.. sigh
# [15:05] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, looks like network issues
# [15:05] <mak> AryehGregor: looking at the log, looks like a network issue
# [15:05] <mak> yes
# [15:05] <mak> Unable to successfully run ['wget', '-O', 'wget_unpack.tar.gz', 'http://stage.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-central-macosx/logs.tar.gz'] after 2 attempts
# [15:05] <AryehGregor> Okay, thanks.
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# [15:05] <bhearsum> mak: hmmm
# [15:06] <bhearsum> is that a 404 or some other error?
# [15:06] <mak> there is also some 404
# [15:06] <bhearsum> 404 won't fix itself, hang on...
# [15:06] <bhearsum> i deleted some of those directories yesterday, i thought they were all unused =(
# [15:06] <mak> bhearsum: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9570759&tree=Try search for "failed (results"
# [15:06] <bhearsum> thanks
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# [15:07] <bhearsum> yeah, that's probably my fault
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# [15:07] <bhearsum> ok, i think i just fixed it
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# [15:07] <bhearsum> espindola: did you mean to revert my summary change on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=730195?
# [15:08] <hsivonen> khuey: to preserve the script execution semantics in cases where a script pokes window.opener or iframe.contentWindow
# [15:08] <espindola> bhearsum, gah, no, sorry
# [15:08] <bhearsum> espindola: np
# [15:08] <bhearsum> stupid bugzilla =\
# [15:08] <@khuey> hsivonen: ah
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# [15:08] <@khuey> lovely
# [15:09] <hsivonen> khuey: the same reason why Chrome keeps a new window in the same process if window.opener remains reachable
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# [15:21] <@smaug> anyone seen make[8]: *** No rule to make target `../../../xpcom/idl-parser/xpidllex.py', needed by `libs'. Stop. on aurora
# [15:22] <hsivonen> I wish nsIPrefBranch documented what the getters do when a pref doesn't exist
# [15:22] <Ms2ger> Throw?
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# [15:22] <Ms2ger> smaug, yes, /topic
# [15:22] <glandium> yeah i think that's what it does
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# [15:24] <@smaug> and uh
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# [15:33] <hsivonen> eww. char** as out param. How does ownership work?
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# [15:34] <hsivonen> the allocation is with NS_Alloc
# [15:34] <NeilAway> hsivonen: right, and the caller typically uses getter_Copies to put it into an nsCString
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# [15:35] <hsivonen> hmm. I don't see old code deallocating? have I found a leak in mailnews/ or am I missing something?
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# [15:35] <hsivonen> why would this not leak a char array? http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mailnews/mime/src/mimethsa.cpp#166
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# [15:40] <Yoric|Poor> Hi
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# [15:40] <Yoric|Poor> I am currently attempting to debug m-c under Windows (VC10), but my breakpoints seem to have strictly no effect.
# [15:41] <Yoric|Poor> What can I be missing?
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# [15:41] <Yoric|Poor> (I am breakpointing in Ctypes.cpp, fwiw)
# [15:41] <Yoric|Poor> (and in an external dll)
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# [15:46] <mounir> i have a build failure on tip:
# [15:46] <mounir> make[8]: *** No rule to make target `../../../xpcom/idl-parser/xpidllex.py', needed by `libs'. Stop.
# [15:47] <mounir> anyone knows what could be wrong?
# [15:47] <Yoric|Poor> I think I saw someone with the same error yesterday.
# [15:47] <Yoric|Poor> I have no idea whether there was a solution.
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# [15:48] <mounir> cool, I can't build then :)
# [15:48] <WG9s> mounir:was this a clobber?
# [15:48] <mounir> WG9s: yes
# [15:48] <glandium> mounir: see /topic
# [15:48] <mounir> Bug 729752 obviously
# [15:48] <WG9s> hmm and it fails again if you redo the make?
# [15:49] <mounir> glandium: oh, thanks
# [15:49] <WG9s> oh
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# [15:50] <WG9s> and that expalins why i didn;t get this becuase i was starting with a fresh pull of the source
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# [15:51] <@khuey> hsivonen: so, maybe I'm missing something simple
# [15:51] <mreavy> mounir: is there a bug number (or numbers) for the camera api work you're doing?
# [15:51] <@khuey> hsivonen: but if we "block" an <iframe> doesn't <iframe>.contentWindow just look like the iframe hasn't finished loading yet?
# [15:51] <mounir> mreavy: camera api work i'm doing?
# [15:52] <mounir> mreavy: I'm writing a patch to improve the capture ui on Android
# [15:52] <hsivonen> khuey: depends what "block" means. what does it mean to you?
# [15:52] <mounir> that's it
# [15:52] <mreavy> mounir: yep, that's the one.
# [15:52] <hsivonen> khuey: do you mean blocking <script> or blocking script
# [15:52] <hsivonen> (latter incl. onclick)
# [15:52] <@khuey> hsivonen: the latter
# [15:52] <mounir> mreavy: I didn't open a bug yet
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# [15:52] <mounir> mreavy: do you want me to?
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# [15:53] <hsivonen> khuey: how does blocking onclick look like unloaded frame?
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# [15:53] <mreavy> mreavy: yes, please. that would help tracking.
# [15:53] <@khuey> hsivonen: blocking onclick inside the iframe, not on the <iframe> itself
# [15:54] <@khuey> how can that be distinguished from "the html for this frame hasn't been received yet"?
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# [15:54] <mreavy> mounir: i believe it's needed for the camera api project (just fyi)
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# [15:54] <hsivonen> khuey: if the clickable element has been displayed already, it should be clickable, no?
# [15:55] <mounir> mreavy: AFAIUI, camera api and that are orthogonal
# [15:55] <hsivonen> including to parent document .click()ing it
# [15:55] <@khuey> hmm
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# [15:56] <@khuey> ok
# [15:56] * @khuey will need to think about this plan some more
# [15:57] <mreavy> mounir: hmmm.... have you been working with sicking on this bug?
# [15:57] <mounir> mreavy: i showed him my advancement, yes
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# [16:00] <mreavy> mounir: i believe sicking thinks this is important to the camera api project. opening a bug for this will be much easier to figure out if it is needed for camera api or if it is, in fact, orthogonal
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# [16:00] <mounir> mreavy: it's only a UI improvement
# [16:00] <mounir> depends what you mean by "Camera API"
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# [16:02] <mreavy> mounir: agreed. "camera api" (the project) includes the UI pieces
# [16:02] <sicking> mreavy: what timezone are you in?
# [16:02] <mreavy> sicking: EST
# [16:03] <sicking> mreavy: aah
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# [16:03] <mounir> mreavy: bug 730289
# [16:03] <mreavy> sicking: don't worry. i'm not one of those weirdo morning people. ;-)
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# [16:04] <sicking> phew, i got worried
# [16:04] <mreavy> sicking: :-D
# [16:04] <mreavy> mounir: awesome. thanks for the bug. just makes it easier to talk about.
# [16:04] <sicking> mreavy: by the way, i'm not a big fan of the term "Camera API" as it can mean so many different things.. So we should clarify what we mean when it's used in contexts like bugzilla
# [16:05] <sicking> mreavy: as can be seen by the confusion in the mailing thread for example :-)
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# [16:05] <mounir> yes, Camera API seems to be overly used
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# [16:06] <mounir> I mean not used in the correct context
# [16:06] <mounir> like bug 708175 title
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# [16:08] <hsivonen> it feels weird that there's mozilla:: stuff that's not allowed in mailnews/
# [16:09] <mreavy> sicking/mounir: no argument. it is painful when a name trips up the more interesting parts of a conversation. :-)
# [16:09] <mreavy> sicking/mounir: do you have a preferred way to refer to the different pieces of this beast? ;-)
# [16:09] <sicking> mreavy: hmm...
# [16:09] <mounir> fabrice: how is this bug related to camera on desktop?
# [16:09] <mounir> mreavy: media capture? (but I think there is an api named like that too)
# [16:09] <fabrice> mounir: I guess it impacts how we show the preview dialog
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# [16:10] <mounir> fabrice: on desktop?
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# [16:10] <fabrice> yes, why? Do you think it's ok to keep both buttons on desktop?
# [16:10] <mreavy> mounir: yep. used already.
# [16:10] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, yeah, looks like a leak
# [16:10] <Ms2ger> But *shrug*, it's c-c
# [16:11] <fabrice> mounir: if so, remove the link to the desktop bug. Actually it's hard to know without seeing your patch
# [16:12] <mounir> fabrice: that's going to be Android-only
# [16:12] <fabrice> mounir: ha ok. so ignore me ;)
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# [16:17] <mreavy> fabrice/mounir: if we think that the experience on desktop/fennec is going to be different, we'll need to discuss with others who could be affected by that choice.
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# [16:19] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: I'm on track to fixing the leak as a side effect of my larger fix
# [16:19] <Ms2ger> <o/
# [16:20] <@bz_sleep> make[8]: *** No rule to make target `../../../xpcom/idl-parser/xpidllex.py', needed by `libs'. Stop.
# [16:20] <@bz_sleep> What the hell?
# [16:20] <jlebar|mac> bz_sleep: /topic
# [16:20] <@bz_sleep> hrm
# [16:21] <@bz_sleep> for real?
# [16:21] <@bz_sleep> %$^%$^%^%^&%^& python
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# [16:21] <Ms2ger> Who wants to write a bot that says "/topic" whenever someone mentions xpidllex.py?
# [16:21] <gcp> Ms2ger: a commit in the makefile that does that :P
# [16:22] <bbondy> Callek: I should be landing all of the updater security tasks today (15 patches), so just something to keep an eye out for
# [16:22] <@bz_sleep> I really wish we could get python to stop doing that....
# [16:23] <mreavy> mounir: is there anything else (other than Bug 730289) that you're working on that could affect "taking a picture"?
# [16:23] <jlebar|mac> bz_sleep: You mean, stop python from outputting pyc files?
# [16:23] <mounir> mreavy: no
# [16:23] <mounir> mreavy: though, if sicking convinces me, I might changes the file picker UI on Android
# [16:23] <@bz_sleep> jlebar|mac: stop python from sticking them in the srcdir, at least
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# [16:24] <jlebar|mac> bz_sleep: I think the bug is, they used to be in the srcdir, and now they're in objdir?
# [16:24] <mreavy> mounir: sounds like sicking likes finding work for you. ;-)
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# [16:24] <@bz_sleep> jlebar|mac: in this particular case, the .py files got moved to the objdir
# [16:24] <mounir> I don't think he found that one for me... or he did a good job making me think that was my idea :)
# [16:25] <@bz_sleep> jlebar|mac: afaict
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# [16:25] <Ms2ger> mounir, he's good at that
# [16:25] <@bz_sleep> "As I understand it, bug 691781 removed the checked in copies, they're now generated as part of the build."
# [16:26] <mreavy> mounir: thanks for your help!
# [16:26] <jlebar|mac> I see. But previously, they were in the srcdir and spitting pyc everywhere
# [16:27] <@bz_sleep> yes
# [16:27] <@bz_sleep> precisely
# [16:27] <@bz_sleep> and what would be really nice is if we could have .py files in srcdir without them spitting pyc all over the srcdir
# [16:28] <Ms2ger> "Mozilla Partners Up With LG To Combat Apple and Google at http://rly.cc/JeW2F"
# [16:28] <jlebar|mac> bz_sleep: Huh, python doesn't really let you configure this.
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# [16:28] <Ms2ger> Good to hear about that
# [16:28] <jlebar|mac> Ms2ger: It's a joke.
# [16:29] <jlebar|mac> bz_sleep: You can disable the pyc files in 2.6… :-/
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# [16:29] <Ms2ger> Morning philor
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# [16:32] <@bz_sleep> jlebar|mac: That's why we're wishing instead of just fixing so far.... ;)
# [16:33] <@bz_sleep> jlebar|mac: what's a joke? All the articles, LG, or MWC?
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# [16:33] <jlebar|mac> bz: Well, I can neither confirm nor deny… :)
# [16:33] <@bz> jlebar|mac: btw, I have all the Bloom filter stuff implemented; now I'm just waiting for my opt builds that I thought I'd have done this morning
# [16:33] <@bz> jlebar|mac: well, sure
# [16:33] <jlebar|mac> bz: But the articles, yes.
# [16:34] <jlebar|mac> bz: Ooh, a bloom filter?
# [16:34] <jlebar|mac> Anyway, I have cityhash building.
# [16:34] <@bz> jlebar|mac: The number of "anonymous sources close to the thing" is amazing
# [16:34] <@bz> nice
# [16:34] <@bz> more precisely, I have a bloom filter and all the style system stuff to use it for style reresolves
# [16:34] <@bz> not yet for initial resolution; that's next
# [16:34] <philor> morning Ms2ger
# [16:35] <@bz> once I get some numbers on reresolves
# [16:35] <@bz> want to chuck me your cityhash diff?
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# [16:35] <@bz> or just stick it in the bug?
# [16:35] <jlebar|mac> bz: Sure; let me just finish this build and see that the browser stands up.
# [16:35] <@bz> fair
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# [16:40] <@bz> yes
# [16:40] <@bz> I understand that
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# [16:42] <@bz> jlebar: did you do pure cityhash, or with bsmedberg's proposal for short strings?
# [16:42] <jlebar|mac> bz: I haven't tried bsmedberg's proposal. I'm kind of concerned about four extra branches.
# [16:42] <@bz> jlebar: (I'm still trying to figure out whether his proposal is ok in terms of generated hash values)
# [16:42] <@bz> yeah
# [16:42] <@bz> makes sense
# [16:43] <@bz> well, it's 2 extra branches
# [16:43] <@bz> but still
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# [16:43] <jlebar|mac> Hm. Yes, indeed.
# [16:43] <@bsmedberg> hrm, a compiler *could* use a jump table
# [16:43] <@bsmedberg> so that it's one branch and one jump, no?
# [16:44] <@bz> if you switch on it, yes
# [16:44] <jlebar|mac> Particularly because they're unpredictable branches.
# [16:44] <jlebar|mac> But I haven't tried it. I can, let me just fix this linker error first.
# [16:44] <@bsmedberg> < 5 seems like we could predict is as the likely branch
# [16:44] <@bz> actually, it might be more branches
# [16:44] <@bz> unless we're willing to just do it anyway for non-ascii
# [16:45] <@bz> which will act kinda crappy for some inputs, but those will be rare inputs
# [16:45] <@bz> since to a first approximation 100% of the stuff coming through here is ascii
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# [16:45] <@bz> btw, I'm glad our old impl was at least faster than cityhash
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# [16:46] <@bz> if it were not, I'd _really_ cry
# [16:46] <pranavrc> msucan, ping
# [16:46] <@bsmedberg> well, we'd need another test, though for high bits, right?
# [16:46] <@bz> why would we need a test for high bits?
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# [16:46] <jlebar|mac> (This hash is just a bit-by-bit hash…I hope I didn't suggest I was doing any kind of unicode decoding...)
# [16:46] <msucan> pranavrc: pong
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# [16:47] <pranavrc> msucan, i've attached the patch. Just a heads up :)
# [16:47] <@bz> doing str[0] << 24 | str[1] << 16 | str[2] << 8 | str[3] would work even if some of those are > 255
# [16:47] <@bz> it just starts producing collisions
# [16:47] <msucan> pranavrc: great! thank you!
# [16:47] <@bz> in the worst cases
# [16:48] * jlebar|mac thinks we're going to get a perf win out of the lack of collisions and probably shouldn't sweat the hash function.
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# [16:48] <Ms2ger> jlebar|mac, grapheme clusters, dammit!
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# [16:52] <jlebar|mac> f'ing xpcom glue
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# [16:53] <@bsmedberg> heh
# [16:54] <@bsmedberg> bz: bizarre question. If we have a fullpage plugin for a mimetype (like PDF files), and that plugin tries to call document.write via NPAPI scripting...
# [16:54] <@bsmedberg> do you know if there's a document object, or what might happen?
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# [16:59] * @bz wonders whether the tp4 numbers at perf.snarkfest.net/compare-talos/index.html?oldRevs=6c68f1e935c7&newRev=f7cc3fb3aee3&submit=true are for real
# [16:59] <@bz> bsmedberg: there's a document object
# [16:59] <jlebar|mac> bz: We really need to take that thing down
# [16:59] <@bz> bsmedberg: and what will happen is that we'll parse the HTML...
# [16:59] <jlebar|mac> bz: Is one build pgo and the other not?
# [17:00] <@bz> jlebar|mac: no, they're both try builds
# [17:00] * @bz notes the complete lack of tp5 numbers.... why?
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# [17:00] <@bsmedberg> bz: we'll replace the plugin with the HTML content? That's what I'd like to happen, anyway!
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# [17:00] <@bz> bsmedberg: I think it might Just Work, sortaa
# [17:01] <@bz> bsmedberg: yeah
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# [17:01] <espindola> what do we use subversion for?
# [17:02] <@bz> bsmedberg: so when we load a full-paage plug-in, we synthesize an HTML document with an <embed> inside
# [17:02] <Ms2ger> Websites
# [17:02] <Ms2ger> At least, we used to
# [17:02] <@bz> bsmedberg: and tell the <embed> to read the incoming data instead of doing a new load
# [17:02] <@bz> bsmedberg: basically
# [17:02] <@bsmedberg> interesting
# [17:02] <@bsmedberg> I wonder if webkit/chrome do something similar
# [17:02] <@bz> bsmedberg: see content/html/document/src/PluginDocument.cpp
# [17:02] <@bz> bsmedberg: spec requires this, fwiw
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# [17:02] <@bz> bsmedberg: at this point
# [17:03] <jlebar|mac> One thing I've never understood: What's the mozilla internal API?
# [17:03] <Ms2ger> jlebar|mac, We
# [17:03] * @bz pulls up reference
# [17:03] <Ms2ger> Good, my crashtest fails
# [17:03] <jlebar|mac> Well, what's the non-internal API, and why -- other than to make my life miserable -- does it exist?
# [17:03] <jlebar|mac> * still exist?
# [17:03] <@bz> bsmedberg: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/history.html#read-plugin
# [17:04] <@bz> for (uint32_t x = 0; x <= UINT32_MAX; ++x) {
# [17:04] <@bz> if (x * 0x9E3779B9U == 1) {
# [17:04] <@bz> printf("%u\n", x);
# [17:04] <@bz> return 0;
# [17:04] <@bz> }
# [17:04] <@bz> }
# [17:04] * @bz loves the fact that you can just brute-force these things.... ;)
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# [17:05] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [17:05] <@bz> fwiw, this bloom filter thing, even with the crappy hash impl, speeds up the huffpo pageload by almost 2x
# [17:05] <Ms2ger> huffpo--
# [17:05] <jlebar|mac> whoa
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# [17:05] <@bz> not unexpected, given the profiles
# [17:06] <@smaug> bz: nice
# [17:06] <@bz> so yeah
# [17:06] <@bz> I do wonder why no tp5 on the try run
# [17:06] <@bz> but generally speaking try seems to be green
# [17:07] <NeilAway> hsivonen: indeed, that looks like a leak
# [17:07] <@bz> btw, with this patch a selector like "boopy *" is much faster to match than "BOOPY *"
# [17:07] * @bz figured that's ok
# [17:08] <philor> tp5 is now tp5r, compare-talos probably hasn't ever heard of it
# [17:08] * @bz sighs
# [17:08] <philor> yay for hard-coding names in multiple separate places, and then changing them every week in only one
# [17:08] <@bz> where do I file a bug?
# [17:08] <philor> compare-talos? bitbucket. tbpl? webtools
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# [17:09] <@bz> well, wherever I need to file a bug to get this fixed
# [17:09] <philor> single source of test names that others can consume? testing : talos
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# [17:10] <jlebar|mac> bz: https://bitbucket.org/mconnor/compare-talos
# [17:11] <jesup> bz: (bloom filter) - that rocks!
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# [17:11] <mconnor> that reminds me, I need to talk to whoever maintains tbpl about moving c-t into tbpl
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# [17:12] <@bz> hey, look
# [17:12] <@bz> bitbucket allows anonymous issue reporting
# [17:12] <Ms2ger> mconnor, hey, look, philor
# [17:12] <@bz> bitbucket++
# [17:12] <jlebar|mac> mconnor++
# [17:12] <mconnor> bz: so s/tp5/tp5r/ ?
# [17:13] <Ms2ger> Apparently
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# [17:13] <@bz> mconnor: so philor says
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# [17:13] <@bz> mconnor: https://bitbucket.org/mconnor/compare-talos/issue/14/compare-talos-no-longer-knows-about-tp5 fwiw
# [17:13] <philor> mconnor: make ateam own it instead, they'll be happy to once you remind them that it doesn't have any icky php in it
# [17:13] <mconnor> ctalbert: ping!
# [17:13] <philor> and they're the ones who keep changing the test names every three hours
# [17:14] <jlebar|mac> Yay!
# [17:14] <ctalbert> mconnor: pong
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# [17:14] <jlebar|mac> ctalbert: Just say yes.
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# [17:14] <mconnor> ctalbert: see discussion above. I need to get the hell out of this critical path :)
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# [17:14] <GPHemsley> OK, so, I'm manually editting omni.ja and rezipping it, but I'm getting a crash on start. Any pointers?
# [17:14] * NeilAway is up to 0xBC89 * 0x9E3779B9 == 0x69140001
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# [17:14] <ctalbert> lol, critical path of compare talos?
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# [17:15] <@bz> NeilAway: are you doing it by hand or something?
# [17:15] <ctalbert> mconnor: yeah we'd actually like to take compare-talos over and fold it directly into graphserver
# [17:15] <Ms2ger> Do it
# [17:15] <jlebar|mac> ctalbert: please
# [17:15] <@bz> NeilAway: in C++ an answer is found in under a second
# [17:15] <jlebar|mac> ctalbert: anything would be less broken than what we have now.
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# [17:15] * @bz notes that his C++ is dumb, too; stepping from 1 by 2 would make more sense
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# [17:16] <@bz> oh, and I compiled without optimization
# [17:16] <ctalbert> we're already working on it. It's part of a larger project we're calling Signal From Noise
# [17:16] <mconnor> ctalbert: oh good
# [17:16] <@bz> with optimization, I can't measure the runtime with 'time'
# [17:16] <ctalbert> mconnor: is there something we should worry about short term w.r.t. c-t?
# [17:16] <mconnor> ctalbert: stop changing test names :)
# [17:17] <philor> don't take my tp5r as gospel, I didn't actually look at the json
# [17:17] <ctalbert> lol, that's another reason we're changing graphserver
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# [17:17] <ctalbert> the changing testnames are a hack around the way the graphserver SQL is defined, and the only way we can change an option in talos
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# [17:17] <ctalbert> we hate it as much as you do
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# [17:19] <NeilAway> 0x144CBC89 * 0x9E3779B9 == 0x1 (mod 2^³²)
# [17:19] <@bz> indeed
# [17:19] <NeilAway> bz: that was using a calculator to do the multiplications
# [17:20] <jlebar|mac> Isn't this the chinese remainder theorem?
# [17:20] <NeilAway> bz: but I only needed one multplication per bit of result
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# [17:20] <NeilAway> jlebar|mac: that's for modulo a product of distinct primes, isn't it?
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# [17:21] <jlebar|mac> Oh, this is about finding an inverse mod N.
# [17:21] * jlebar|mac was never good with number theory.
# [17:22] <jlebar|mac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_multiplicative_inverse
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# [17:22] <jlebar|mac> compute 0x9e377… ^ (phi(2^32)-1)
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# [17:23] <philor> ctalbert: short term, c-t is busted because it uses an API that's only on graphs-old, which doesn't admit that PGO and non-PGO results are different things
# [17:23] <@bz> NeilAway: ah, heh
# [17:23] <philor> so you can only use it to compare pushes which have the same number of PGO and non-PGO builds on each, to get a muddled-together comparison
# [17:24] <@bz> my point is that looking up or remembering the "right" way to do that would have taken me longer than writing and running the c++ snippet did
# [17:24] <jlebar|mac> phi(2^32) == 2^32 / 2 - 1.
# [17:24] <jlebar|mac> bz: And you still would have had to compute a large exponentiation.
# [17:25] <NeilAway> in my case it takes me longer to compile the C++ snippet than it is to deduce the binary reciprocal operator from first principles
# [17:25] <jlebar|mac> bz: Anyway, I'm fixing a compile error for you, really. :)
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# [17:25] <@bz> mmm, fixes
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# [17:26] <NeilAway> 1/N (mod 2) = 1, given that N has an inverse at all (mod 2^M)
# [17:26] <Ms2ger> Easy, 0x0ffffffff
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# [17:27] <Ms2ger> Hmm, maybe I'd be better off if I actually called my new code
# [17:27] <NeilAway> 1/N (mod K + 1) is either 1/N (mod K) or 1/N (mod K) + 2^K
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# [17:28] <NeilAway> you want to compute N * (1/N (mod K)) (mod M) for K = 1 .. M
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# [17:30] <NeilAway> N * (1/N (mod K + 1)) (mod M) = N * ((1/N (mod K)) (mod M) + ((1/N (mod K)) (mod M) & 2^K))
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# [17:32] <NeilAway> 1/N (mod K + 1) = 1/N (mod K) + (N * (1/N (mod K)) & 2^K)
# [17:33] <NeilAway> s/$mod (.*)$/(mod 2^(\1))
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# [17:41] <paoletto> could some fx dev "accept" my bug? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=729909
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# [17:41] <mconnor> ctalbert: so, is tp5 -> tp5r the correct fix here?
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# [17:44] <jlebar|mac> bz: FYI, cityhash computes a 64-bit hash. So you could get four 16-bit keys out of it for your bloom filter, if you wanted.
# [17:44] * ctalbert checks
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# [17:45] <jaws> jst: please see bug 730318. i'll try to fix this before desktop starts using it
# [17:45] <jst> jaws: perfect, thanks!
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# [17:46] <@bz> jlebar|mac: except that pldhash only uses 32-bit hashkeys
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# [17:46] <ctalbert> mconnor: yeah it's tp5r
# [17:46] <mconnor> ctalbert: ok
# [17:46] <mconnor> so, uh, I don't have hg?
# [17:47] <mconnor> sigh
# [17:48] <ctalbert> new computer?
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# [17:50] <mconnor> ctalbert: yeah, new-ish
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# [17:50] <mconnor> ctalbert: you can see the points on my head from orbit at this point
# [17:50] <ctalbert> LOL
# [17:51] <ctalbert> mconnor: I think I'm starting to know how you feel
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# [17:51] <mconnor> ctalbert: I mean... it's fine, really.
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# [17:52] <jlebar|mac> bz: So?
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# [17:53] <@bz> jlebar|mac: and my code is just grabbing the hashcode from the PLDHashEntry
# [17:53] <@bz> jlebar|mac: So I don't have to compute it twice
# [17:53] <jlebar|mac> I see.
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# [17:57] <jdm> paoletto: which prefs are you trying?
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# [18:01] <espindola> !seen armenzg
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# [18:01] <espindola> brb? :-)
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# [18:02] <espindola> anyone else from releng interested in 725126?
# [18:02] <jprmc> jesup: is there a bug for peer connection object?
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# [18:03] <mreavy> jprmc: bug 694807
# [18:03] <jesup> What she said
# [18:03] <jprmc> cool
# [18:03] <jprmc> espindola: i think rail-buildduty has been looking at some of the mac stuff
# [18:04] <espindola> cool. That one was what was blocking building on 10.7
# [18:04] <espindola> the fix was reverted while we tracked a regression
# [18:04] <jprmc> its atleast worth asking him
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# [18:04] <espindola> but testing the builds I created should tell us if we will be good to go once we spin the loop again
# [18:04] <jprmc> actually
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# [18:04] <jprmc> armen has been in the office this week too
# [18:04] <jprmc> one sec
# [18:05] <rail-buildduty> mac stuff?
# [18:05] <espindola> rail-buildduty, building on 10.7 stuff
# [18:05] <jlebar|mac> We really need mfbt object files...
# [18:06] <jlebar|mac> Or, I really would like that, so I can put cityhash there.
# [18:06] <espindola> we have them
# [18:06] <jprmc> rail-buildduty: bug 694807
# [18:06] <Ms2ger> What espindola said
# [18:06] <espindola> jlebar|mac, since the fix to use Moz_Assert
# [18:06] <jlebar|mac> orly?
# [18:07] <jlebar|mac> espindola: I see only .h files in mfbt...
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# [18:07] <glandium> jlebar|mac: refresh your tree and look again
# [18:07] <jlebar|mac> oO
# [18:07] <espindola> jlebar|mac, Assertions.cpp
# [18:07] <jlebar|mac> \o/
# [18:07] <rail-buildduty> jprmc: I was talking about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=729425
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# [18:08] <espindola> rail-buildduty, I just started a build where that bug is fixed (and so should be the "build compiler-rt on *very* old linux)
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# [18:09] <paoletto> jdm, basically i am setting all the .preview. preferences to false
# [18:09] <rail-buildduty> heh
# [18:09] <paoletto> and some more as well
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# [18:09] <paoletto> in the code it just seems they are not even checked
# [18:09] <espindola> it is amazing that centos (and rhel) added a feature to the assembler in a dot release!
# [18:09] <rail-buildduty> espindola: I'll poke new clang revision build after lunch
# [18:09] <espindola> thanks!
# [18:10] <rail-buildduty> np
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# [18:11] <paoletto> jdm, what should i disable? i can do one more test
# [18:11] <jdm> paoletto: no, you did as much as you could. I've pointed to a possible solution.
# [18:12] <paoletto> ah great! didnt see
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# [18:13] <jprmc> espindola: and armen is on pto today
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# [18:13] <espindola> jprmc, thanks
# [18:13] <jdm> I want to see more SoC ideas
# [18:13] <jdm> it feels like we're running out of time
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# [18:14] <espindola> not sure what the timeframe is for us "having" to move to 10.7 builders...
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# [18:20] <GPHemsley> ok, am I missing something...? if I edit a file in omni.ja, rezip it, and restart the browser, the updated code should be used, right?
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# [18:22] <@khuey> you may need to flush the xul cache
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# [18:22] <GPHemsley> how do I do that?
# [18:22] <@khuey> -purgecaches
# [18:22] <GPHemsley> oh, running from the command line?
# [18:22] <@khuey> yeah
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# [18:23] <GPHemsley> khuey: For my reference, where are those caches stored?
# [18:24] <GPHemsley> (nice, thanks)
# [18:24] <dao-m> dolske: ping
# [18:24] <@khuey> on the disk?
# [18:24] * @khuey has no idea
# [18:24] <GPHemsley> heh
# [18:24] <GPHemsley> k
# [18:24] <@dolske> dao-m: hi!
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# [18:37] <GPHemsley> Hmm... how to I console.log inside a chrome file?
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# [18:37] <jdm> GPHemsley: can't. you want dump or logging to the console service
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# [18:38] <tbsaunde> w/in 21
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# [18:38] <@khuey> hmm
# [18:39] <@khuey> my review queue is too big :-/
# [18:39] <froydnj> khuey: review faster
# [18:39] <jdm> khuey: I'm happy to take a look at non-build things for a preliminary review
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# [18:40] <@khuey> jdm: unfortunately, it's almost all build stuff
# [18:40] <@khuey> but thanks for the offer!
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# [18:41] <jdm> you made your bed, now you must review it
# [18:41] <@khuey> actually, shaver put me in this bed
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# [18:41] <Ms2ger> For bedbugs?
# [18:42] <lurking> http://www.staples.com - order a rubber stamp
# [18:42] <@khuey> then I would have to expense it
# [18:42] <@khuey> and expensing things is a total PITA
# [18:43] <lurking> Indeed
# [18:43] <@khuey> as I'm discovering
# [18:43] <@bz> it's funny how much easier it is to modify frame constructor than to write code (and design APIs!) from scratch....
# [18:43] <@khuey> our expense tracking system seems to choke on PDFs from the scanner in the office
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# [18:44] <@bz> khuey: does you computer have a webcam?
# [18:44] <@bz> khuey: I've been generating my expense report PDFs with the webcam on my laptop
# [18:45] <@bz> khuey: produces nice low-res small images, works great. ;)
# [18:45] <@khuey> bz: ooh
# [18:45] <@khuey> I should try that
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# [18:45] <@bz> khuey: have to flip them to make them readable, because otherwise they're mirror-imaged
# [18:45] <@bz> khuey: but that seems solvable
# [18:46] <GPHemsley> jdm: Is there any way to get newlines in the output?
# [18:46] <@khuey> bz: yeah
# [18:46] <jdm> GPHemsley: for the console service? I thought so; maybe <br>?
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# [18:46] <GPHemsley> jdm: Oh, no, I wound up using dump()
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# [18:47] <jdm> GPHemsley: dump treats \n fine
# [18:47] <@khuey> yuck
# [18:47] <GPHemsley> jdm: Is everything a string? Like, can I simply append it? Or do I need a second dump() call?
# [18:47] <jdm> GPHemsley: "everything"?
# [18:48] <GPHemsley> jdm: Well, can I do dump( notAString + "\n" )?
# [18:48] <jdm> GPHemsley: yep
# [18:48] <GPHemsley> ok
# [18:48] <jdm> that implicitly becomes notAString.toString() + "\n"
# [18:48] <jdm> and dump(noAString) becomes dump(notAString.toString())
# [18:49] <froydnj> jdm: I've been looking at the "Foo depends on global PB state" bugs and most of them say to get the state from the associated docshell. does that docshell interface exist or does it need to be written?
# [18:50] <jdm> froydnj: it exists, but it's actually nsILoadContext now; sorry.
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# [18:51] <froydnj> jdm: ah, wasn't looking at nsDocShell, but nsIDocShell. thanks!
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# [18:51] <GPHemsley> If bundleService's GetStringFromName() is unsuccessful, what happens?
# [18:52] <jdm> GPHemsley: an exception, I would assume
# [18:52] <GPHemsley> ok
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# [18:52] <hub> what is the behaviour if NS_ASSERTION? Does it terminate or return from the function?
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# [18:52] <@bz> hub: no
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# [18:53] <@bz> hub: in an opt build it's compiled out
# [18:53] <@bz> hub: in a debug build it ranges from "just print a warning" to "abort the process" depending on env vars
# [18:53] <@bz> hub: and OS
# [18:53] <@bz> hub: default on Mac/Linux is "just print a warning", basically
# [18:53] <@bz> hub: default on Windows is "annoying popup", iirc
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# [18:56] <jhammel> bz: unpossible ;)
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# [19:04] <jprmc> KaiRo: i'm confused on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711656
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# [19:05] <jprmc> KaiRo: has the fix definitely failed or not?
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# [19:05] <@bz> nice
# [19:05] <Jesse> bz: bug 573324 ?
# [19:05] <@bz> huffpo has <table style="display: inline"> around
# [19:05] <@bz> that's ... moronic
# [19:05] <@bz> ah, well
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# [19:06] <KaiRo> jprmc: I actually don't know - I'm sure it didn't fix everything with the signatures listed there, but I'm not as sure as Scoobidiver that it didn't fix anything
# [19:06] <ferjm> hi! how can I delete a database within an xpcshell test? I have this code, but it is currently not working. It says TypeError: this.mozIndexedDB.delete is not a function
# [19:06] <@bz> jesse: indeed
# [19:06] <ferjm> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1491467
# [19:07] <@dveditz> dholbert: ping?
# [19:07] <@khuey> ferjm: because the function is 'deleteDatabase'?
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# [19:07] <ferjm> oh .. damn it! thanks :)
# [19:08] <@bz> "This is entirely expected, especially in an environment like the mobile industry."
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# [19:08] <@bz> (comments on the various rampant speculation about who our partners are)
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# [19:14] <mbrubeck> I'm hiding Windows Ru on Esr10 because it looks like it has known failures and is hidden everywhere else.
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# [19:15] <mbrubeck> actually, why is it even running there?
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# [19:20] <philor> mbrubeck: thanks for the hiding
# [19:20] <philor> it's running there because I've been trying to get it running since long long before esr10 existed
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# [19:21] <philor> and I couldn't remember which failing tests and which annotations would be on 10 by now, but since there would hardly ever be pushes to esr, I could just find out by seeing what happened when it finally got its second reconfig and became visible
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# [19:22] <dholbert> dveditz, pong, but about to get on a caltrain
# [19:22] <dholbert> dveditz, back (connected from the train) in ~20min
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# [19:26] * @bz put in assertions and is really glad now
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# [19:27] <@khuey> bsmedberg: ping
# [19:27] <gerv> pong.
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# [19:28] <jdm> gerv: I'm curious at what point the gsoc ideas on the brainstorming page become blessed.
# [19:28] <gerv> jdm: when I get around to reading the page and blessing them :-)
# [19:28] <jdm> heh
# [19:28] <gerv> I'll take a first pass soon/
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# [19:28] <@bsmedberg> khuey: pong
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# [19:29] <@khuey> bsmedberg: have you seen bug 730051?
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# [19:30] <@khuey> bsmedberg: I've got in a debugger, the situation is a little crazy
# [19:30] <@bsmedberg> I hadn't seen it, what does it look like?
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# [19:30] <@khuey> bsmedberg: so, it installs its dlls in Appdata/Local/Temp
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# [19:31] <@khuey> bsmedberg: and it hooks some shell thing to get loaded into our process
# [19:31] <@khuey> we get to LdrLoadDll
# [19:31] <@khuey> and the provided set of paths is right
# [19:31] <@bsmedberg> shell thing, normal
# [19:31] <@khuey> so we permit the load
# [19:31] <@bsmedberg> installing DLLs to temp, weird
# [19:31] <@khuey> then in its DllMain
# [19:31] <@khuey> it calls LoadLibrary on itself
# [19:32] <@khuey> this time we get a set of paths that doesn't include the temp dir
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# [19:32] <@khuey> so we reject the load
# [19:32] <@khuey> cause SearchPathW doesn't find the file
# [19:32] <@bsmedberg> why is the set of paths different?
# [19:32] <@khuey> I don't know ...
# [19:32] <@bsmedberg> or is the problem just that it's already "loaded", so searching isn't normally used?
# [19:33] * @bsmedberg imagines recursive dllmaining
# [19:33] <@khuey> I think it's expecting not to have to pass the full path if it's already laoded
# [19:33] <jlebar|mac> khuey: If I added some functions in a new file, and the linker says they're not there…sicking tells me this could be due to an exporting problem or something?
# [19:33] <@khuey> but I'm not sure
# [19:33] <@bsmedberg> jlebar|mac: hehe
# [19:33] <@bsmedberg> jlebar|mac: could you be more specific?
# [19:33] <jlebar|mac> bsmedberg: Yeah.
# [19:33] <@khuey> srsly :-)
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# [19:33] <@bsmedberg> khuey: yeah, that's normal, you can just LoadLibrary("barepath.dll") if it's already in the process
# [19:34] <jlebar|mac> bsmedberg / khuey So I added a file with some new hash functions. I put it first in xpcom/base, then xpcom/glue, then mfbt (now with object files).
# [19:34] <jlebar|mac> In all cases, the file gets compiled.
# [19:34] <jlebar|mac> But when I use the functions outside the file, the linker tells me they're not there.
# [19:34] <@khuey> so it's in mfbt now?
# [19:34] <@khuey> bsmedberg: ok
# [19:34] <jlebar|mac> khuey: yes.
# [19:34] <@bsmedberg> What library are they supposed to be in?
# [19:35] <jlebar|mac> bsmedberg: I'd like them to be in mfbt; I would have put them there originally if I'd realized it had object files.
# [19:35] <@khuey> mfbt ends up in mozglue or something, no?
# [19:35] <@khuey> glandium would know
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# [19:35] <@bsmedberg> I think so
# [19:35] * jlebar|mac nm's mozglue
# [19:35] <@bsmedberg> but it shouldn't matter
# [19:35] <@bsmedberg> jlebar|mac: are you using MFBT_API ?
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# [19:36] <jlebar|mac> bsmedberg: no...
# [19:36] <@bsmedberg> do that, it will then work
# [19:36] <@bsmedberg> you do need to export them, which means different things on different platforms, but MFBT_API should hide the details
# [19:36] <glandium> MOZ_EXPORT_API
# [19:36] <glandium> MFBT_API is for the declaration in the header
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# [19:37] <glandium> basically, look at MOZ_Crash and MOZ_Assert in mfbt/Assertion*
# [19:37] <@bsmedberg> well ok, but you need both ;-)
# [19:37] <jlebar|mac> So, the problem is, we're compiling to some intermediate library, and that's hiding my functions?
# [19:37] <@bsmedberg> jlebar|mac: no, you're just not exporting them
# [19:37] <@bsmedberg> on windows that's dllimport/dllexport
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# [19:37] <@bsmedberg> on linux that's visibility-default
# [19:37] <jlebar|mac> is mozglue linked into libxul?
# [19:37] <@bsmedberg> no, it's a .so
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# [19:38] <glandium> jlebar|mac: it's a .dylib on mac, a .dll on windows and a static lib on linux
# [19:38] <glandium> jlebar|mac: it's statically linked in the binary
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# [19:38] <glandium> jlebar|mac: on android, it's a .so
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# [19:38] <@bsmedberg> oof, that's weird linkage on linux
# [19:39] <jlebar|mac> Okay; thanks!
# [19:39] <glandium> bsmedberg: only way to interpose jemalloc
# [19:39] <@khuey> bsmedberg: it's for jemalloc
# [19:39] <@bsmedberg> but we don't want to do that for things like hash functions...
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# [19:39] <glandium> bsmedberg: it doesn't really matter imho
# [19:39] <@bsmedberg> why not?
# [19:40] <@bsmedberg> we're going to be shipping this code around in multiple locations for the webapp work
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# [19:42] <irving> I have a Firefox Beta (mac os x 10.6) hung in an unusual way - UI still responsive, one CPU pegged at 100%, no progress on networking operations - GDB and Activity Monitor aren't helping much
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# [19:42] <glandium> bsmedberg: mfbt is a single location
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# [19:43] <irving> because of optimizer-obscured stack traces. Any advice on pinpointing the problem (or does somebody want to see it? I'm in the Toronto office)
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# [19:43] <glandium> bsmedberg: it doesn't matter whether it's statically linked in the binary or stuck in a shared lib, the result is the same
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# [19:43] <@bsmedberg> glandium: my point is that there isn't "a" binary once we have the webapps work...
# [19:44] <@bsmedberg> although it might not matter on Linux if we can just launch using shell scripting
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# [19:47] <@khuey> bsmedberg: alright, I guess we just need to not SearchPathW unless we know we're in the initial load
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# [19:49] <@bsmedberg> khuey: we could try running OpenLibrary on pathless loads
# [19:49] * @bsmedberg isn't sure whether that would deadlock the loader or anything
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# [19:49] <glandium> bsmedberg: wait. what? webapps will each have their own binary? i'm tempted to say wtf
# [19:49] <@khuey> bsmedberg: what is OpenLibrary?
# [19:49] <@bsmedberg> glandium: when we install each webapp we'll be copying the stub executable to its install location
# [19:49] * @khuey has never heard of that
# [19:49] <@bsmedberg> and running it from there
# [19:50] <glandium> bsmedberg: oh my
# [19:50] <@bsmedberg> khuey: oops, I meant GetModuleHandle
# [19:50] <@bsmedberg> which gets a handle to a library only if it's already loaded
# [19:51] <dholbert> dveditz, [a more real 'pong' now]
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# [19:51] <@khuey> jlebar|mac: how are you getting the length?
# [19:52] <@khuey> strlen()?
# [19:52] <glandium> bsmedberg: note that currently, all executables have a copy of mfbt, so the stub would have it, too. i don't think it would be a huge problem, except if mfbt starts being 1MB big
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# [19:52] <@khuey> how is this all going to work with updates?
# [19:53] <@bsmedberg> khuey: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Apps/WebRT#Stub_Executable has some details
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# [19:54] <glandium> bsmedberg: ah so the stub is just doing an exec() it doesn't even need mfbt
# [19:54] <@khuey> or jemalloc
# [19:55] <@khuey> or anything
# [19:55] <@bsmedberg> um
# [19:55] <jlebar|mac> khuey: std::string.length()
# [19:55] <glandium> that shouldn't even need to be updated
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# [19:55] <@khuey> jlebar|mac: mmm
# [19:55] <@bsmedberg> that page may be out of date, it's not doing an exec in the current plan
# [19:55] <@khuey> jlebar|mac: you really want to stop after 4 chars though
# [19:55] <@bsmedberg> we've changed the plan so many times...
# [19:55] <jlebar|mac> khuey: hm?
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# [19:55] <glandium> bsmedberg: why do something more complicated than an exec?
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# [19:55] <jlebar|mac> khuey: I can upload my code to github...
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# [19:56] <@khuey> jlebar|mac: wouldn't pastebin be fine?
# [19:56] <@bsmedberg> glandium: well, on Windows we have to because of taskbar grouping issues, IIRC
# [19:56] <@bsmedberg> and on mac we have to get the dock correct
# [19:56] <@bsmedberg> doesn't matter as much on Linux
# [19:56] <jlebar|mac> glandium / bsmedberg btw, the MFBT_API thing worked. Thanks.
# [19:57] <jlebar|mac> khuey: https://github.com/jlebar/hashtest/blob/master/testatoms.cpp#L84
# [19:57] <jlebar|mac> khuey: (It was already on github, I just needed to push.)
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# [19:59] <@khuey> jlebar|mac: I'm not really an stl person ... does string.length() traverse the string?
# [19:59] <@khuey> or is the length stored?
# [19:59] <jlebar|mac> khuey: I am not an stl person either. :
# [19:59] <jlebar|mac> :)
# [19:59] <jlebar|mac> But I think it's cached.
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# [19:59] <@khuey> ah, ok
# [19:59] <derf> It's C++!
# [19:59] <@khuey> ignore me then
# [19:59] * jhammel thinks jlebar|mac is correct
# [19:59] <derf> You're not supposed to know.
# [19:59] <@khuey> heh
# [19:59] <derf> It's called "abstraction".
# [19:59] <jlebar|mac> khuey: afk for sec
# [20:00] <jhammel> derf: yes, but... ;)
# [20:00] <bjacob> windows / msvc 2010 build error: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1491500
# [20:00] <bjacob> help?
# [20:00] <luke> anyone familiar with window.applicationCache.status ?
# [20:00] <derf> jhammel: "Yes, but..." indeed.
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# [20:06] <mak> peterv: looks like you may have broken newtab browser-chrome tests
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# [20:06] <mak> not sure how though
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# [20:06] <@dveditz> dholbert: just wanted to comment on your question from last night
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# [20:07] <dholbert> dveditz, ah, thanks!
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# [20:07] <dholbert> dveditz, so -- should one change status-esr10 to fixed after landing?
# [20:07] <@dveditz> akeybl: didn't want to do the 1.9.2 branch thing of separate .x-fixed, instead we'll use the "tracking" field to indicate which version
# [20:07] <dholbert> gotcha
# [20:07] <@dveditz> so yeah. change status-esr10 (which means the 10 branch, not 10.0.0) to fixed
# [20:08] <dholbert> sounds good, thanks
# [20:08] <@dveditz> and the tracking-esr10 field should represent "the firefox version matching the esr we're going to ship"
# [20:08] <@dveditz> so at this point we're already up to 10.0.2, so things fixed in 10.0.3 should be tracking-esr10 "11+" because they ship with Fx11
# [20:08] <jdm> I got an email asking whether it's possible to intercept all reads of input streams that are initiated from the chrome protocol
# [20:09] <jdm> anybody know if this is even feasible?
# [20:09] <aja> speaking of 1.9.2, is there an official EOL yet?
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# [20:09] <biesi> jdm, no
# [20:09] <biesi> and by "no" I mean "not easily", of course
# [20:10] <biesi> you could replace some services, I'm sure...
# [20:10] <@dveditz> aja: when Fx12 ships
# [20:10] <@dveditz> or, the ESR that goes with Fx12
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# [20:11] <aja> dveditz: cool...tks. handn't seen anything official b4
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# [20:13] <mbrubeck> dveditz: Are you aware that 10.0.2 ESR was built from the wrong branch?
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# [20:13] <mbrubeck> (apparently)
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# [20:14] <mbrubeck> or was that intentional because it was shipped before FF11?
# [20:14] <mbrubeck> I think I get it now...
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# [20:14] <mbrubeck> (for reference, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714547#c36 )
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# [20:22] <josh> In what version of Firefox did we disable XBL for content?
# [20:22] <Ms2ger> 4?
# [20:22] <mak> josh: 4
# [20:22] <@dveditz> mbrubeck: I wasn't aware, that's more between akeybl and releng
# [20:23] <Ms2ger> That's like 10 ago
# [20:23] <mak> josh 546857
# [20:23] <Ms2ger> So, 30 years?
# [20:23] <mak> bug 546857
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# [20:23] <@dveditz> mbrubeck: I'm just trying to help get the right security bugs fixed in whatever it is we do ship
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# [20:24] <@bz> Does C++ make any guarantees about threadsafety of |function f() { static i = getSomeInt(); } ?
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# [20:26] <hub> bz: no
# [20:26] <@bz> hub: ok
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# [20:27] <biesi> not sure about MSVC
# [20:27] <@bz> yes, I know about GCC
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# [20:28] <@dveditz> mbrubeck: oh, yeah. 10.0.2 was strictly about the chemspill so shipping off the _relbranch was totally intentional. the next ESR will be back on the mainline
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# [20:39] <decoder> jfkthame: ping? :)
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# [20:39] <decoder> hey :)
# [20:39] <decoder> jfkthame: wrote you in pm :)
# [20:39] <nemo> browser.tabs.tabMinWidth is broken?
# [20:39] <nemo> apologies for profanity, reaction from user follows
# [20:39] <nemo> 14:25 < Rho_> the tabs are right at the fucking top, i had my firefox set up so that the tabs got smaller the more you opened
# [20:40] <nemo> 14:26 < Rho_> and its undone that so now theres some stupid ass scrolly thing which is bullshit and gay and i cant get it back to how i liked it
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# [20:40] <nemo> 14:28 < Rho_> oh what a surprise, CHROME does it just fine
# [20:40] <nemo> 14:28 < Rho_> maybe i'll switch to chrome now, fuck you firefox
# [20:40] <nemo> etc...
# [20:40] <nemo> I tried browser.tabs.tabMinWidth and it does seem to get ignored
# [20:40] <gaston> hm when linking js shell ihave a multiple definition conflict for MOZ_Crash and MOZ_Assert, both being in libjs_static.a and libmozglue.a
# [20:40] <gaston> does it ring a bell to anyone ?
# [20:40] <nemo> is possible to override in UserChrome.css I guess, but wondering if anyone knows what happened
# [20:41] <@bz> jlebar|mac: ping
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# [20:41] <gaston> full error message at the bottom of http://buildbot.rhaalovely.net/builders/mozilla-central-macppc/builds/60/steps/build/logs/stdio
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# [20:42] <NeilAway> dveditz: lol @ 149895
# [20:42] <nemo> looks like https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/custom-tab-width/ is a workaround. but seriously people. why make it stop working? :-/
# [20:43] <aja> dholbert: any test / try builds of flexbox draft yet? soon(ish)?
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# [20:44] <dholbert> aja, soon-ish, yeah. working on recent spec-updates now. (splitting out flexibility into its own property)
# [20:44] <Ms2ger> gaston, you want glandium
# [20:45] * aja was playing with webkit impl last nite, so thought i'd ask
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# [20:45] <Ms2ger> dholbert, any tests? :)
# [20:45] <gaston> Ms2ger: if he has the fix/cluebat, sure :)
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# [20:47] <gaston> hm but libmozglue.a only contains Assertions.o and dummy.o
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# [20:49] <nemo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574654
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# [20:49] <nemo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577986
# [20:49] <nemo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577497
# [20:49] * nemo sighs
# [20:49] <gaston> i'm pretty sure it's related to his last blog post, but oh well...
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# [20:52] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, I would be rather unsurprised if we don't have any tests for RangeException in particular
# [20:52] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, hmm, that would make sense (sadly).
# [20:52] <decoder> MattN: ping?
# [20:52] <AryehGregor> Want to finish porting testharness.js to work with mochitests so I don't have to write any new tests? :)
# [20:52] <Ms2ger> I was thinking about that :)
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# [20:53] <Ms2ger> Once I finish up this ImageData stuff, I'll have that tree free to work on testharness.js :)
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# [20:54] <dholbert> Ms2ger, plenty of reftests. :) no fancy demos though
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# [20:55] <Ms2ger> dholbert, I don't care for fancy demos, I care for thorough conformance tests ;)
# [20:55] <dholbert> cool. I have those! :D
# [20:55] <Ms2ger> In the W3C test suite? :)
# [20:56] <dholbert> no..
# [20:56] <dholbert> maybe later.
# [20:56] <dholbert> :)
# [20:57] <Ms2ger> :)
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# [20:59] <aja> got a chuckle out of fact i couldn't see flexbox draft examples in opera (due to non-support for img src=foo.svg i assume)
# [21:00] <Ms2ger> But they did it first!
# [21:00] <dholbert> opera supports img src="foo.svg" I'm pretty sure
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# [21:00] <aja> hmmm....just saw several black boxes
# [21:01] <dholbert> flexbox draft loads fine for me :)
# [21:01] <dholbert> in opera
# [21:01] <dholbert> ( http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-flexbox/ )
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# [21:02] <dholbert> aja, (including its SVG images)
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# [21:03] <aja> dholbert: flex-pack example?
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# [21:13] <decoder> MattN: you coded this "safe mode" dialog after multiple crashes, right?
# [21:13] <MattN> decoder: yes
# [21:13] <decoder> MattN: can this be disabled via a pref?
# [21:13] <decoder> it's nagging me a bit during automated crash reproduction
# [21:14] <MattN> yes, toolkit.startup.max_resumed_crashes = -1
# [21:14] <nigelb> heh
# [21:14] <decoder> MattN: thx :D
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# [21:26] <dholbert> aja, ah, I see what you mean
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# [21:27] <aja> dholbert: just figures 3 & 4 for me....others are ok
# [21:27] <dholbert> aja, yeah, opera renders that as black boxes even when you just view it directly ( http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-flexbox/images/flex-pack.svg )
# [21:28] <dholbert> odd
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# [21:29] <dholbert> aja, ...though emacs' built-in SVG rendering matches operas :)
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# [21:32] <aja> needs DRM'ed Flash fallback :)
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# [21:33] <dholbert> aja, looks like it uses :nth-child for styling (and if I remove that style, firefox matches opera). I bet opera doesn't support that yet, or something
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# [21:34] <aja> hrm...perhaps just doubled :: dunno
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# [21:35] <Ms2ger> ::nth-child is wrong
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# [21:35] <@bz> Ms2ger: impl, or conceptually?
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# [21:36] <Ms2ger> nth-child is a pseudoclass, not a pseudo-element
# [21:36] <dholbert> hm, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/:nth-child says Opera should support it
# [21:37] <@bz> oh, with ::
# [21:37] <@bz> yeah, sure
# [21:37] <Ms2ger> Maybe not in SVG
# [21:37] <dholbert> Ms2ger, maybe not, yeah
# [21:37] <@bz> what's the testcase?
# [21:37] <Ms2ger> The flexbox spec
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# [21:37] <@bz> um
# [21:37] <dholbert> bz, http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-flexbox/images/flex-pack.svg
# [21:37] * @bz looks
# [21:37] <dholbert> bz, black bars in Opera
# [21:37] <dholbert> bz, pretty picture in firefox
# [21:37] <@bz> intereting
# [21:37] <@bz> er, interesting
# [21:38] <Ms2ger> itym fascinating
# [21:38] <@bz> lemme check something
# [21:38] <dholbert> (and disabling the nth-child styling produces black bars in firefox)
# [21:38] <aja> bz: and next figure in draft, too (figure 4)
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# [21:38] <dholbert> aja, that figure being http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-flexbox/images/flex-align.svg
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# [21:39] <@bz> <!DOCTYPE html>
# [21:39] <@bz> <svg width="100" height="100">
# [21:39] <@bz> <rect width="100" height="100" fill="red"/>
# [21:39] <@bz> </svg>
# [21:39] <@bz> I don't see a fill in Opera
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# [21:39] <@bz> I do in Gecko and WebKit
# [21:39] <@bz> "odd"
# [21:39] <Ms2ger> "even"?
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# [21:40] <dholbert> bz, WFM in opera
# [21:40] <MattN> sheriffs: Aurora OS X64 Nightly build is busted but I don't see why. Should I just trigger a rebuild?
# [21:40] <dholbert> bz, that text, saved into foo.html
# [21:40] <@bz> wtf?
# [21:40] <@bz> which Opera version?
# [21:40] <Ms2ger> MattN, is that still ctalbert?
# [21:40] <dholbert> bz, 11.61
# [21:40] * @bz updates to 11.61
# [21:40] <@bz> lemme try that
# [21:40] <aja> 11.61 and .Nexct on XP here
# [21:40] <aja> .Next
# [21:41] <@bz> ok
# [21:41] <@bz> now it works
# [21:41] <@bz> interesting
# [21:41] <Ms2ger> dveditz, nice triage
# [21:41] <MattN> Ms2ger: Not sure what you're saying
# [21:41] <@bz> nth-child works too in a simple testcase
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# [21:43] <aja> candidate for test suite perhaps?
# [21:44] <@bz> um
# [21:44] <@bz> wtf is Opera doing here???
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# [21:44] <Ms2ger> "Stroustrup Reveals What's New In C++ 11"
# [21:45] <@bz> ok
# [21:45] <@bz> so....
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# [21:45] <@bz> if I put a "rect { fill: red; }" in there
# [21:45] <@bz> it's still broken in Opera
# [21:45] <@bz> as in no red
# [21:45] <@bz> if I make it red!important, then it works?
# [21:45] <@bz> it looks like _something_ about their nth-child matching is broken
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# [21:46] <@bz> or something
# [21:49] <@bz> uh
# [21:49] <@bz> so...
# [21:49] <@bz> wtf?
# [21:50] <@bz> oh, I see
# [21:50] <@bz> hmm
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# [21:52] * @bz figures out what Opera is doing wrong
# [21:53] <@bz> if anyone cares.. ;)
# [21:53] <Ms2ger> Tell me
# [21:54] <@bz> fill:transparent
# [21:54] <@bz> they treat that as black
# [21:54] <@bz> changing it to rgba(0,0,0,0) makes it work
# [21:54] <Ms2ger> Fascinating
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# [21:55] * @bz bets that's technically not a valid value for 'fill' in SVG at some point or something
# [21:55] * aja shoulda mentioned in Opera forum instead of here...didn't mean to get bz working on wrong browser :\
# [21:55] <jhammel> heh
# [21:56] <Ms2ger> And they don't even give bounties for such bugs
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# [21:56] <bjacob> what profiler should i use on XP? xperf doesn't seem to support it
# [21:56] <Ms2ger> Shark in a vm?
# [21:57] <bjacob> :-(
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# [21:57] <@bz> aja: file a bug on them?
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# [21:58] <aja> they have public bug reporter ?
# [21:59] <Ms2ger> Sure
# [21:59] <Ms2ger> You just can't see the bug
# [21:59] * aja only ever commented in desktop team blog
# [22:00] <aja> url?
# [22:00] <Ms2ger> http://www.opera.com/support/bugs/
# [22:00] <aja> cool...will file
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# [22:00] <Ms2ger> ta
# [22:00] <@dolske> /topic * bz figures out what Opera is doing wrong ;-)
# [22:01] <@bz> aja: if you can call it public and a bug reporter....
# [22:01] <Ms2ger> aja, if you give me the bug ID (CORE-###), I can poke around a bit
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# [22:02] <jdm> bjacob: write your own!
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# [22:07] <bjacob> jdm: thanks for the offer! when will you be done?
# [22:07] <jdm> bjacob: probably in time for Firefox 42
# [22:08] <bjacob> that's next month!
# [22:08] <bjacob> (i read that on slashdot)
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# [22:11] <NeilAway> bjacob: hmm, I thought there was one bandied around, but I forget its name
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# [22:13] <aja> Ms2ger: DSK-358181@bugs.opera.com
# [22:13] <Ms2ger> Ta
# [22:14] <aja> yw
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# [22:15] <ekw> If I have something of type nsCOMPtr<nsIURI>, how can I find out what the actual class is behind the nsIURI interface?
# [22:15] <Ms2ger> You don't
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# [22:18] <aja> hmm...Firefox 42 (Towel Edition)
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# [22:20] <@bz> ekw: in a debugger?
# [22:20] <@bz> ekw: or at runtime?
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# [22:20] <@bz> ekw: and if in a debugger, which one?
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# [22:22] <jhammel> aja++
# [22:22] <ekw> scratch that question. dumb question.
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# [22:22] <bjacob> need help with this windows build error: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1491517
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# [22:22] <bjacob> in xpidllex.py
# [22:23] <dholbert> bjacob, delete .pyc files
# [22:23] <bjacob> ok
# [22:23] <dholbert> bjacob, see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723861#c17
# [22:23] <dholbert> rm xpcom/idl-parser/*.pyc
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# [22:24] <Ms2ger> bjacob, also /topic
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# [22:25] <bbondy> Warning - landing about a month's work of silent update patches on m-c direclty now ~15 patches.
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# [22:26] <rs> dholbert: ^^ re: bbondy's warning
# [22:26] <bbondy> pinged him earlier today
# [22:26] <rs> cool
# [22:27] <luke> does anyone know if applicationCache.status should eventually become IDLE or UPDATEREADY, after the resources have been successfully downloaded?
# [22:29] <dholbert> rs / bbondy, thanks
# [22:29] <dholbert> m-c's looking quiet
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# [22:38] <bbondy> ahhhh that feels good on the patch queue
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# [22:42] <bjacob> jgilbert: let's make a deal:
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# [22:42] <bjacob> jgilbert: you trigger a tryserver build of mozilla-beta + the patches that made angry birds fast\
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# [22:42] <bjacob> jgilbert: so, like the existing tryserver build, but based off mozilla-beta
# [22:43] <bjacob> jgilbert: and then i test it on winxp
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# [22:43] <jgilbert> bjacob: last time I tried to tryserver something for beta, try puked all over it
# [22:43] <jgilbert> I can try anyways, though
# [22:44] <bjacob> it should work, please try try
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# [22:45] <jwatt> bz: yeah, it's because 'transparent' isn't supported in opera
# [22:46] <jwatt> I talked to erik about them adding support for that a couple years ago
# [22:46] <bjacob> jgilbert: i guess what happened is that they nuke try from time to time. if you are the first to push a given tree after that, you're pushing a few G's of data
# [22:46] <jwatt> not sure why he didn't add it
# [22:46] <jgilbert> bjacob: sure, but it was build errors
# [22:46] * aja ponders whether this will affect answer for airspeed velocity of a laden swallow
# [22:46] <bjacob> oh... weird
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# [22:51] * @bz is always slightly depressed when he spends a few days writing code
# [22:51] <@bz> and the result is a small set of 5kb patches
# [22:51] <stuart> heh
# [22:51] <stuart> yeah
# [22:51] <@bz> it felt really hard to get this code correct
# [22:51] <stuart> the worst is when you spend a few days writing a bunch of code only to find the one line you needed to change to fix it
# [22:52] <@bz> but it seems like it'll at least be easy to review!
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# [22:52] <@bz> heh
# [22:52] <@bz> well, this isn't even like that
# [22:52] <@bz> this is like "audit all the codepaths, etc"
# [22:52] <Ms2ger> bz, it's even nicer if you don't actually care much about the code involved
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# [22:52] <stuart> bz: ah
# [22:52] * @bz has a nice emacs buffer with all the various ways control flow can reach half the frame constructor
# [22:52] <Ms2ger> wiki!
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# [22:53] <@bz> I'm not sure this is useful to wiki
# [22:53] <@bz> It looks much like this:
# [22:53] <@bz> Need to check callers of ResolveStyleContext:
# [22:53] <@bz> * AddFrameConstructionItems(Internal) CHECK
# [22:53] <@bz> * ProcessChildren CHECK
# [22:53] <@bz> * CreateListBoxContent CHECK
# [22:53] <@bz> * BuildInlineChildItems CHECK
# [22:53] <@bz> Checking callers of AddFrameConstructionItems(Internal):
# [22:53] <@bz> * CreateGeneratedContentItem
# [22:53] <@bz> * ProcessChildren CHECK
# [22:53] <@bz> * BuildInlineChildItems CHECK
# [22:53] <@bz> * ConstructFrame
# [22:53] <@bz> * CreateAnonymousFrames CHECK
# [22:53] <@bz> etc, etc
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# [22:54] <bjacob> Ms2ger: what?
# [22:54] <Ms2ger> ImageData
# [22:54] <bjacob> Ms2ger: making progress?
# [22:54] <Ms2ger> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=ed2b961b5759
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# [22:55] <bjacob> Ms2ger: any chance it'll be green?
# [22:55] <@khuey> heh
# [22:55] <Ms2ger> Maybe? :)
# [22:55] <bjacob> sounds good
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# [22:56] <Ms2ger> Somewhat annoying to test locally if mesa keeps crashing
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# [22:56] <bjacob> Ms2ger: can you get a stack trace? does it look like a crash in the driver or in mesa itself
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# [22:57] <bjacob> if driver: switch to mesa softpipe or llvmpipe
# [22:57] <Ms2ger> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1491425
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# [22:57] <jesup> bz: actually documenting our codepaths? heretic! :-) Good stuff
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# [22:57] <@bz> jesup: this isn't documentation
# [22:57] <bjacob> Ms2ger: argh, mesa compiler crash . maybe a newer mesa would work better.
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# [22:58] <bjacob> you must be on 11.04, as 11.10 has mesa 7.11
# [22:58] <bjacob> and 12.04 gets 8.0
# [22:59] <bjacob> and i can get a full conformance suite run on mesa 7.11 without crashes
# [22:59] <Ms2ger> Could very well be
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# [22:59] <Ms2ger> Yep
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# [23:25] <mbrubeck> mak, Mossop: Any thoughts on a proper fix for the underlying issue in bug 717904 (SQLite error if NSS is initialized before mozStorageService)?
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# [23:28] <Mossop> mbrubeck: Good ideas, or crazy random thoughts?
# [23:28] <jdm> mayhemer: that profiler looks exciting; nice work
# [23:28] <mbrubeck> Either...
# [23:28] <mbrubeck> Mossop: I imagine we could have the NSS initialization code initialize the storage service...
# [23:29] <Mossop> What happens if multiple initialisations happen?
# [23:29] <mak> using nss to generate guids for addons manager sync?
# [23:29] <mbrubeck> mak: yup
# [23:29] <mak> sorry, add-ons sync
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# [23:29] <mbrubeck> Mossop: The problem is that if sqlite3_initialize is called before sqlite3_config, then the sqlite3_config call fails
# [23:29] <mbrubeck> In this case, NSS indirectly causes sqlite3_initialize to be called during startup
# [23:30] <mbrubeck> and then the storage service tries and fails to call sqlite3_config
# [23:30] <Mossop> That doesn't seem to match yout comment
# [23:30] <Mossop> " mozilla::storage::Service::initialize calls sqlite3_config, which returns SQLITE_MISUSE if it is called *after* sqlite3_initialize"
# [23:30] <Mossop> Oh wit, I can't read
# [23:30] <mbrubeck> right.
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# [23:31] <Mossop> I think it's safe to say I am in dire need of caffeine right now
# [23:31] <mayhemer> jdm: oh, thanks :D
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# [23:32] <Mossop> mbrubeck: The problem seems to be that it is a bad idea to have multiple places in the code calling sqlite_config
# [23:33] <Mossop> At the very least they should check if sqlite has already been initialised
# [23:33] <mbrubeck> Mossop: In this case, NSS is just calling sqlite3_mprintf.... but that calls sqlite3_initiliaze.
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# [23:33] <Mossop> That seems odd
# [23:34] <mak> mbrubeck: I wonder if as a long term fix we may define our own sqlite3_os_init
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# [23:34] <Mossop> But perhaps I'm not understanding what these methods are for
# [23:34] <mbrubeck> So yeah, we should probably factor out the sqlite3_config/sqlite3_initialize code from mozStorageService, so that both NSS and mozStorageService can make sure it gets called before any other sqlite functions.
# [23:34] <mak> mbrubeck: so when _initialize is called we do storage config
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# [23:34] <mbrubeck> mak: Yeah, exactly.
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# [23:35] <mak> makes sense
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# [23:38] <mak> mbrubeck: btw, imo your current workaround is fine.
# [23:39] <mbrubeck> cool
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# [23:39] <mak> though I'm not an addon manager peer :p
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# [23:40] <mak> I'd suggest to file a bug in storage to figure out if having our own implementation of sqlite3_os_init complicates much the upgrades
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# [23:42] <mbrubeck> okay.
# [23:44] <mak> mbrubeck: the alternative would be to disable jemalloc... looks like it's the only call to config we have?
# [23:45] <mbrubeck> yeah
# [23:45] <mbrubeck> or place that call somewhere guaranteed to be earlier in startup
# [23:45] <mak> does jemalloc give interesting wins on Android? (or is this also an issue on desktop?)
# [23:46] <mbrubeck> or somewhere that could be called from, say, here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp#1601
# [23:46] <mbrubeck> I have no idea whether jemalloc is important/useful on Android
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# [23:46] <mak> could even be disabled just for Storage, fwiw
# [23:46] <mbrubeck> This particular bug seems to happen only on Android; I don't know why. Could be timing-sensitive.
# [23:47] <mak> I mean storage+android, as a different workaround
# [23:47] <mbrubeck> yeah
# [23:47] <WG9s> AFAIK about:memory (which currently works on Android) is dependent on jemalloc.
# [23:47] <mbrubeck> It might be Android-specific because native Fennec eliminated some uses of storage, so service::Storage::initialize gets called later
# [23:47] <mak> it's plausible
# [23:48] <mak> btw, whatever workaround you take is fine, the one you have does the minor changes
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# [23:48] <mak> the long term fix has to be investigated, but it's probably what we discussed
# [23:48] <mak> don't think there's much more
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# [23:49] <mbrubeck> Sounds good. I'll file the follow-up for the long-term fix.
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# [23:50] <philor> esr10 was the greenest tree I've seen in years. then we started landing stuff on it. now it's a splatter of orange. what next, android?
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# [23:56] <hub> hi, I'm looking for Scoobidiver
# [23:57] <hub> what's his nickname on IRC?
# [23:57] <@bsmedberg> hub: he doesn't do IRC in most cases
# [23:57] <hub> oh
# [23:58] <@bsmedberg> hub: but he does email quite effectively
# [23:58] <hub> ok
# [23:59] <darktrojan> ah, bsmedberg, I've got some more nsIPrefBranch2 uses to get rid of, are you around for a while to r+?
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