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# Session Start: Sat Feb 25 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:01] <Mossop> darktrojan: Your next step is to merge nsILocalFile and nsIFile right?
# [00:01] <darktrojan> maybe
# [00:01] <Mossop> \o/
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# [00:01] <darktrojan> you're reviewing it
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# [00:16] <mak> hmm, why is dmandelin not on irc, I need someone to complain with when things break :)
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# [00:17] <mak> ah here we are, jsapi channel :)
# [00:17] <GPHemsley> Who's in charge of the string bundle service?
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# [00:18] <gavin> "in charge of"?
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# [00:18] <gavin> generally no one touches it
# [00:18] <GPHemsley> gavin: Responsible for? Peer of? Who should I CC? :)
# [00:18] <biesi> that is not really a component that has much maintenance done to it
# [00:18] <GPHemsley> oh, really?
# [00:18] <GPHemsley> hmm
# [00:19] <gavin> why?
# [00:19] <GPHemsley> bug 730209
# [00:20] <GPHemsley> can't figure out what caused the regression
# [00:20] <ddahl> oh this is nasty. is my obj dir hosed if any header i try to include from nss is "not found"
# [00:21] <gavin> GPHemsley: what "dictionary selection list" are you referring to?
# [00:21] <peregrino> when I'm working with mercurial queues, and I have a patch finished, how do I push the changes and edit the commit message?
# [00:21] <gavin> that bug is confusing
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# [00:21] <GPHemsley> gavin: Spellchecker
# [00:22] <GPHemsley> in the context menu
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# [00:22] <gavin> peregrino: what do you mean by "push the changes"?
# [00:23] <peregrino> gavin: I have everything in the patches directory, well, I want to push it to he main repo
# [00:23] <gavin> I guess I just got confused by your phrasing. generally you edit the commit message before pushing...
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# [00:23] <Mossop> peregrino: hg qrefresh -e lets you edit the commit message for the current patch. hg qfinish converts the patch to a normal changeset that you can push
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# [00:24] <peregrino> my question is, where does mqueues step in in the "do changes, hg commit, hg push" flow
# [00:24] <gavin> ah
# [00:24] <gavin> complicated question :)
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# [00:24] <peregrino> ah, Mossop I think that's what I was asking :)
# [00:24] <gavin> generally the workflow for working on a patch is: hg qnew, make changes, hg qref -e (add commit message, update patch), then hg qfinish, and then hg push
# [00:25] <peregrino> gavin: thanks!
# [00:25] <Mossop> It gets more complex if you are dealing with multiple patches at a time
# [00:25] <gavin> indeed
# [00:25] <peregrino> I didn't know the qref -e option
# [00:25] <peregrino> really?
# [00:25] <peregrino> how?
# [00:25] <peregrino> It's not the case now, but is good to know
# [00:25] <gavin> (also I generally get into the habit of specifying a message on qnew, using [defaults] qnew = -Ue
# [00:25] <Mossop> Well you can only qfinish the first applied patch f.e. so you have to qfinish that then qpush the next then qfinish that, etc.
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# [00:26] <Mossop> I guess you can qfinish a bunch at a time too
# [00:26] <Mossop> But ou can only qrefresh the current patch
# [00:26] <gavin> generally I only have the ones I want to push applied and qfin -a (all)
# [00:27] <peregrino> Mossop: wouldn't it be easier to qfold all the needed patches and then doing qref -e ?
# [00:27] <gavin> if it makes sense to fold them, sure
# [00:27] <peregrino> although, either way you look at it is tiring
# [00:27] <Mossop> peregrino: If you want to land them as a single changeset, sure
# [00:28] <gavin> it doesn't amke sense to fold two entirely unrelated patches into one changeset
# [00:28] <peregrino> yeah, that's true :)
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# [00:28] <peregrino> another thing I always wonder is how to keep track of changes in the patch itself
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# [00:29] <peregrino> should I version the patches directory too for that?
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# [00:29] <gavin> I do that, but I find that I rarely end up going back through aptch history
# [00:29] <peregrino> or is there another better way to keep track of the changes you do to a patch?
# [00:29] <jhammel> yes :) <opinion:blanket/>
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# [00:31] <Mossop> The only reason I version control my patches is so I can sync them between machines and undo catastrophic stupidity
# [00:31] <Mossop> I mostly don't care about a patch's history
# [00:31] <gavin> yeah same here
# [00:32] <gavin> use it as a backup of my patches
# [00:32] <darktrojan> just post everything to bugzilla
# [00:32] <darktrojan> = permanent only history of your own stupidity
# [00:32] <jhammel> that's how i share mp3s
# [00:32] <darktrojan> online
# [00:32] <gavin> (I made a "qbak" alias that commits changes to the patch queue and pushes them to a remote server)
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# [00:34] <peregrino> jhammel: you attach them to bugzilla :D
# [00:34] <gavin> GPHemsley: I think that bug is quite unlikely to be related to stringbundles
# [00:35] <gavin> GPHemsley: the code at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/InlineSpellChecker.jsm#209 looks reasonable, and I don't think it's changed recently
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# [00:35] <GPHemsley> it hasn't
# [00:35] <gavin> GPHemsley: if it's not working for some reason, you should just debug that
# [00:35] <GPHemsley> pretty much at all since the move from CVS
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# [00:36] <GPHemsley> gavin: Fixing it is easy. I'm already working on that. Determining why it used to work in the first place is the hard part.
# [00:36] <gavin> what are you fixing?
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# [00:36] <jhammel> peregrino: exactly! i say "Firefox can't play this mp3!" then i immediately close as INVALID "oops! wrong file!"
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# [00:37] <gavin> generally determining why it's no longer working is a prerequisite to fixing
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# [00:39] <GPHemsley> gavin: Well, it's not actually fixing. It's adding the feature in the first place. There are actually two unknowns: (1) How the "feature" was present before, since it wasn't in the code where it would be expected. (2) What happened to cause the "feature" to suddenly disappear?
# [00:40] <GPHemsley> gavin: I'm merely implementing the feature properly, in the expected place.
# [00:40] <gavin> the code I linked to very clearly has that feature
# [00:40] <gavin> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/InlineSpellChecker.jsm#226
# [00:42] <GPHemsley> gavin: That code only runs if there is no region code. But you may have a point. We may be recalling the case when there was no region code.
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# [00:44] <GPHemsley> gavin: I actually hope you're right. That would make life much better. :)
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# [00:45] <GPHemsley> gavin: But Kevin says that it couldn't be possible that that was it, as he always tests with region subtags. :/
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# [00:46] <gavin> that code would be clearer with array destructuring assignment
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# [00:49] <GPHemsley> gavin: Well, I'm in the process of redoing it, so you let me know what you think when I get the patch together. :)
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# [00:50] <gavin> GPHemsley: I was thinking http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1491673
# [00:51] <GPHemsley> ah, OK
# [00:51] <GPHemsley> I'll incorporate that
# [00:51] <gavin> hmm, actually, that's not quite right
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# [00:51] <GPHemsley> oh?
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# [00:52] <gavin> can be simplified further
# [00:52] <gavin> I don't even see how the bundles can ever be null
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# [00:53] <GPHemsley> oh, so I can ditch them in the ifs?
# [00:53] <gavin> one sec
# [00:53] <GPHemsley> (keep in mind that I'm adding code to this, not just simplifying it)
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# [00:55] <gavin> GPHemsley: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1491674
# [00:55] <gavin> GPHemsley: anyhow, happy to review your patch when it's ready
# [00:55] <GPHemsley> k
# [00:55] <Pike> fwiw, there's more than subregion
# [00:55] <GPHemsley> should be ready shortly
# [00:55] <GPHemsley> Pike: Got it covered ;)
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# [00:56] <Pike> GPHemsley: yeah, but I just think the destructuring isn't going to actually do what we want in the long run
# [00:57] <gavin> is it important to be more specific than subregion?
# [00:57] <GPHemsley> let me get the patch up and then we can talk about it :P
# [00:57] <Pike> gavin: if the split returns 5 items, it's going to break, right?
# [00:57] <gavin> no
# [00:57] <gavin> the 4th and 5th items will just be ignored
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# [00:58] <GPHemsley> I've changed it to a match regex anyway
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# [00:59] <Pike> gavin: the script subtag is 2nd, actually, so depending on script being there, region might be 2nd or 3rd
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# [01:01] <GPHemsley> Here's what I have atm: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1491678
# [01:01] <GPHemsley> gavin, Pike: ^^
# [01:03] <Pike> also, yikes
# [01:04] <GPHemsley> ?
# [01:04] <Pike> and it should be case-independent, IIRC
# [01:04] <GPHemsley> it is
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# [01:04] <Pike> oh, right, there's an /i at the end, despite the A vs a ;-)
# [01:04] <Pike> the language tag looks overly complicated
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# [01:05] <GPHemsley> Pike: It's designed to be forward-compatible
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# [01:07] <Pike> this whole locale code handling stuff would benefit from a central point of code, too
# [01:07] <GPHemsley> true
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# [01:09] <GPHemsley> in the meantime, though
# [01:09] <GPHemsley> any comments before I turn it into patch?
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# [01:13] <Pike> GPHemsley: the if (languageTag) sounds awkward
# [01:14] <GPHemsley> yeah?
# [01:14] <GPHemsley> languageSubtag better?
# [01:14] <Pike> I think the display should fall back to the cruft that's coming in if the regex doesn't match, instead of being empty
# [01:14] <GPHemsley> it does, at the bottom
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# [01:15] <Pike> GPHemsley: I'd do that the other way around then
# [01:15] <Pike> set displayName to list[i]
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# [01:16] <GPHemsley> but it starts as "" and gets built up along the way
# [01:16] <Pike> and in the first setting inside if(languageTag), don't append, but set
# [01:16] <GPHemsley> hmm
# [01:16] <GPHemsley> well, this particular aspect was inherited
# [01:16] <GPHemsley> except for the appending the first part
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# [01:17] <Pike> GPHemsley: also, I'm not sure that "xyz (Germany)" is a good output
# [01:17] <GPHemsley> that was my addition
# [01:17] <Pike> instead of xyz-DE
# [01:18] <GPHemsley> Pike: I'm not sure I agree; it's already bad enough that we have to degrade the experience of a user whose language is not in our localized list; it'd be worse if we forced them to degrade their region, too
# [01:18] <GPHemsley> (although this would all be rendered moot by the master list)
# [01:18] <GPHemsley> (because then we can just default to English)
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# [01:20] <Pike> GPHemsley: I'm also thinking about just junk that's not a valid code
# [01:20] <GPHemsley> Pike: well, it doesn't know the difference
# [01:21] <GPHemsley> a completely invalid tag is unlikely
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# [01:22] <cers> dbaron: do you by any chance have some time (and the patience) to help me understand some of the layout/style code?
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# [01:23] <@dbaron> cers, some... ask here, and I or others can help
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# [01:25] <cers> dbaron: awesome - well, first off I'm trying to figure out how the macros in nsCSSPropList.h work -- as I understand it, that's more or less where we define which properties exist, and how to parse them?
# [01:25] <@dbaron> cers, nsCSSPropList.h is included in multiple places... each of which cares about a different parameter or set of parameters
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# [01:26] <@dbaron> cers, so you can see the comment at the top of nsCSSPropList.h and the different places the file is included
# [01:26] <GPHemsley> Pike: hmm, I do see what you mean, though... garbage subtags are completely discarded with this code
# [01:26] <@dbaron> cers, (probably starting with nsCSSProperty.h.)
# [01:27] <GPHemsley> Pike: Not sure if that should be intended behavior...
# [01:27] <bbondy> FYI I'm going to do a nightly build shortly for m-c to test the new update pushes early.
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# [01:31] <cers> dbaron: I see - to be specific, I'm trying to implement background-position-x/y, and I figure that's more or less a matter of 1) telling firefox that those two exist, and that they want a single value, 2) make it store the data in the same form as background-position would, possibly with defaults if otherwise udefined and 3) figure out how to make getComputedStyle return a value for those, as well as background-position which is no
# [01:31] <cers> w technically a shorthand
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# [01:31] <cers> (wow, Textual does a horrible job of splitting long messages)
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# [01:33] <ddahl> Callek: what magical incantation do I need to make in a Makefile to get a new header exported from security/manager/ssl/src usable in dom/base ?
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# [01:34] <Callek> ddahl: ummmm, "bibbity bobbity boo"? (I am a c-c build system peer, but I really don't know top of my head -- I am curious why you picked me as a ping for that Q)
# [01:34] <ddahl> i tried EXPORTS = nsIFoo.h in the most immediate Makefile.in, which seemed to work but then all of the nss headers were gone from dist/include
# [01:34] <ddahl> Callek: kaie said you were the man
# [01:34] <Callek> hehe
# [01:34] <ddahl> actually, he said you and ted were the folks to ping
# [01:34] <Callek> ddahl: likely better choices would be khuey ted or glandium
# [01:35] <ddahl> ahh
# [01:35] <ddahl> ok
# [01:35] <Callek> ddahl: all of them are m-c build system peers, and as such know better answers than what I give
# [01:35] <ddahl> Callek: np, thanks
# [01:35] <@dbaron> cers, have you read https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=550426 ? Also, it would be useful to look at the history of the files you're looking at -- in that history you'll find patches that have done similar things.
# [01:35] <Callek> for most of those gecko-internal things I don't have to touch much, :-)
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# [01:37] <cers> dbaron: yes, and I talked to Boris about it, he said he would review a patch for it
# [01:39] <cers> dbaron: but thanks, I'll see if I can figure it out from previus patches
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# [02:01] <espindola> man, I can almost build firefox in the time it takes my centos 5 vm to link libxul.so :-(
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# [02:08] <GPHemsley> gavin, Pike: Patch and screenshot uploaded to bug 730209 for your perusal.
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# [02:19] <espindola> glandium, we are still using /usr/bin/ld when building firefox on the bots, right?
# [02:19] <espindola> or have we enabled gold?
# [02:19] <espindola> or some new binutils version
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# [02:21] <aja> dbaron: was background-position z axis support/syntax settled ?
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# [02:21] <@dbaron> aja, you mean transform-origin?
# [02:22] <aja> well....both? wasn't there talk of unifying syntax for the 2
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# [02:23] <aja> asking in case it's relevant to cers' work
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# [02:27] <@dbaron> aja, well, the question was really about unifying the other-than-z parts of transform-origin with background-position
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# [02:29] <aja> ah....just rembered seeing something about a "/ z" suggestion
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# [02:30] <espindola> taras, do you know (about we using /usr/bin/ld?)
# [02:31] <espindola> ?
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# [02:35] <RyanVM> philor: ping
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# [02:35] <philor> RyanVM: pong
# [02:36] <RyanVM> philor: Have you ever seen a reftest attempt to start running before the build finished?
# [02:36] <RyanVM> REFTEST TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | | EXCEPTION: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND) [nsIChannel.open]" nsresult: "0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND)" location: "JS frame :: chrome://reftest/content/reftest.js :: ReadManifest :: line 608" data: no]
# [02:36] <philor> RyanVM: bug 718929
# [02:37] <RyanVM> this is Fedora x64
# [02:37] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=fa4b069dccb1
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# [02:38] <philor> interesting
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# [02:40] <philor> that's not actually it - the build is finished building and packaging and uploading, it just isn't done running make check
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# [02:41] <RyanVM> ah
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# [02:44] <RyanVM> wtf
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# [03:36] <reuben> that automatic missing trace detector in d.a.firefox looks promising. I wonder if it actually works
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# [03:45] <taras> espindola: i believe we are
# [03:45] <taras> we never switched to gold on desktop
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# [03:48] <espindola> taras, thanks
# [03:49] <taras> espindola: but i think we should use a newer ld
# [03:50] <espindola> taras, me too. The old one is failing to produce a valid eh_frame_hdr when building with clang
# [03:50] <taras> good reason :)
# [03:50] <espindola> gold or a newer bfd ld produce a valid result
# [03:50] <taras> yeah lets just go gold
# [03:51] <espindola> well, I still going to find out what is "wrong" first
# [03:51] <espindola> libgcc implementation is funny. If there are no sorted headers, it sorts them first
# [03:51] <taras> espindola: on an unrelated note
# [03:51] <taras> does our sql shutdown cleanly now?
# [03:51] <espindola> if the section exists, but is broken
# [03:51] <taras> as predicted?
# [03:51] <RyanVM> philor: I figured out my problem. Bad reftest list syntax.
# [03:51] <espindola> it does a linear search
# [03:52] <espindola> taras, loop spinning for places went to a nightly
# [03:52] <espindola> and found a bug with http connections being canceled
# [03:52] <espindola> and that somehow ends up being recorded on the db
# [03:52] <taras> lol
# [03:52] <espindola> via the annotation service
# [03:52] <espindola> I have a patch that disables http connections notifications during shutdown
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# [03:57] <philor> RyanVM: I should have guessed that, it never provides a good error message, but that didn't look like one of its bad ones
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# [03:58] <RyanVM> yeah, not the most helpful error message :P
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# [03:59] <philor> is it wrong for me to love it when someone lands a patch that breaks the Android build for a little while?
# [04:00] <RyanVM> less starring than usual?
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# [04:01] <philor> I'm sure it's not quite as bad as I think, it's just that if anyone else stars anything, they'll star non-Android non-leak, and I'll come along and think we're nothing but Android failures and leaks, but... we're nothing but Android failures and leaks!
# [04:01] <philor> and purple Windows runs that aren't actually infra
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# [04:53] <RyanVM> philor: but yeah, the orange situation on android is a joke
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# [04:58] <philor> RyanVM: oddly enough, I was just writing in an email "The Android tests are nothing but a bad, stale old joke to developers." :)
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# [05:00] <RyanVM> I found the discussion in this thread to be depressing: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/e456f9bbe7055b94#
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# [05:01] <RyanVM> especially the implied assumption that the random oranges are researched and determined to be OK
# [05:01] <RyanVM> when at least on Android, there's little to no activity on them
# [05:02] <philor> virtually none of our random oranges are determined to be OK, they are only determined to be not-new-to-this-push
# [05:04] <philor> but nearly all of the Android stuff is various flavors of "Tegras are shit, and this one is swirling at the bottom of the bowl right now"
# [05:04] <RyanVM> hah
# [05:04] <philor> we actually have far too few test failures on Android, because we skip too many tests
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# [05:06] <larfdesk> is there anybody actively developing firefox home for iOS?
# [05:07] <RyanVM> philor: I got a laugh reading the reftest readme the other day where it said that all uses of fails-if should have a bug filed for investigation
# [05:07] <larfdesk> it looks like it was last updated in the market on Febuary 22, 2011
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# [05:13] <RyanVM> larfdesk: probably not the best time to be looking for someone to help
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# [05:14] <RyanVM> sorry
# [05:15] <RyanVM> OMFG, I finally got the PNG tests to pass. Even the previously fails-if(!osx) ones
# [05:16] <RyanVM> (which didn't have a bug filed about them, AFAICT :P)
# [05:16] <hub> larfdesk: the developer is in the Eastern timezone. it is bit late for him now
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# [05:17] <larfdesk> its no biggie. I was just wondering :D
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# [05:21] <@khuey> "we have far too few test failures on Android"
# [05:21] <@khuey> never heard that before
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# [05:23] <cpeterson> If your tests never fail, how do you know they're doing anything? If a test passes and no one is around, are there no bugs? :)
# [05:25] <philor> if a test intermittently fails on every other platform, but never fails on Android because it isn't run on Android, how will you know when you break what it tests on Android?
# [05:25] <philor> we do have far too few test failures
# [05:26] <derf> philor: That's when you know it's always broken.
# [05:26] <philor> all that purple? it's not test failures. all that red? it's not test failures. all that orange? somewhere around 99% of it is not test failures
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# [05:29] <philor> we don't have mochitest failures on Android. at all. none.
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# [05:29] <Waldo> those mochitest failures aren't the droids you're looking for
# [05:29] <philor> maybe three or four reftests that haven't been random-if'ed
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# [05:32] <philor> we probably have more Linux Talos hangs than we have test failures on Android
# [05:32] <philor> we certainly have more purple on Windows that's actually a test failure than we have orange on Android that's actually a test failure
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# [05:56] <qheaden> Hi all.
# [05:56] <rnewman> larfdesk: what's up?
# [05:57] <qheaden> Is there an easy way of finding the chrome URL of a resource?
# [05:57] <rnewman> Home is kinda nominally vaguely in my purview
# [05:58] <larfdesk> oh.. was just wondering if there is any development happening with it.. it hasn't been updated in a year
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# [05:59] <mconnor> larfdesk: I'm hoping to blog something concrete about Home in the next few weeks
# [05:59] <larfdesk> mmmkay. just wanted to make sure it hasn't been forgotten.
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# [06:00] <mconnor> larfdesk: not forgotten, but the relaunch of Fennec on Android has been consuming a ton of mindshare
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# [06:07] <rnewman> and time!
# [06:07] <rnewman> heh
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# [06:10] <rnewman> with a nice Chianti
# [06:11] <@dolske> thhthhthhthhthhh!
# [06:11] <rnewman> heh
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# [06:13] <mconnor> philor: so, I got the tp5 -> tp5r rename down, but tbpl needs the same fix, because it specifies tests. sigh.
# [06:13] <mconnor> ctalbert|afk: is there a bug on integrating c-t into tbpl?
# [06:14] <philor> is there an alternative, an all?
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# [06:14] <philor> because having tbpl, which updates awkwardly and once a month, specify tests is a bug
# [06:15] <@khuey> did somebody retrigger nightlies?
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# [06:16] <philor> must have, update landings quite often do come with a nightly trigger
# [06:16] <mconnor> philor: there isn't, but that's more of a "no one asked" thing
# [06:16] <aja> yep....got update prompt on android Nightly
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# [06:17] <philor> mconnor: I spent three minutes looking at whether there was one or was an obvious way to add one, that's close to starting to approach asking
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# [06:18] <philor> then I wandered off into graphserver's variety of APIs, documented by "why don't you just read the json?" and never came back
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# [06:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7cb1e4c50145 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 718235. (Av1) events/test_focus_general.html: Disable synthShiftTab() check on SeaMonkey. r=surkov.alexander.
# [06:28] <mconnor> philor: I'm not going to do the really smart very of all, which is "show whatever's in the JSON" :)
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# [06:36] <rnewman> can I get a coffee mug saying "do the really smart very of all"?
# [06:38] <mconnor> sigh
# [06:38] <mconnor> rnewman: you used to be such a nice man.
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# [06:38] <philor> and then, Mozilla happened to him
# [06:38] <rnewman> look what you did to me!
# [06:38] <rnewman> heh
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# [06:39] <rnewman> srsly, that would be an awesome mug for morning meetings
# [06:39] <rnewman> watching people's heads swivel
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# [06:43] <mconnor> philor: oh, heh
# [06:43] <mconnor> philor: if tbpl doesn't pass in a param, we just default to all
# [06:43] <mconnor> so... just remove all of that :)
# [06:43] <philor> yay, and bah, why did we go to so much trouble to make our life difficult?
# [06:44] <mconnor> because it's a dependency on a half-documented tool that's been maintained poorly since I wrote it at 2:30 AM one night out of rage?
# [06:44] <philor> inconveniently, tbpl-dev has a patch sitting between me and production that I have absolutely no idea how to evaluate for readiness
# [06:46] <mconnor> I have high hopes that c-t won't hit a two-year anniversary :)
# [06:46] <philor> "won't someone please kill my baby?"
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# [06:58] <qheaden> Hmm. Any idea why this addon setting would be causing an malformed URI error to happen: optiosnURL: "chrome://components/content/searchPrefs.xul"
# [06:58] <qheaden> I created the jar.mn file to register the chrome url.
# [06:58] <qheaden> And it works when I type it into the address bar,.
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# [07:01] <@bz> aja: that would be pretty hard for mconnor
# [07:02] <aja> hey, it's the law!
# [07:03] <@khuey> I'm pretty sure 2 years is past the point where abortion is legal
# [07:04] <@bz> for code?
# [07:04] * @bz is pretty sure that making code disappear from our codebase is legal always
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# [07:07] <romaxa> bz: ping
# [07:07] <philor> 2 insertions(+), 64 deletions(-) :)
# [07:07] * jtcranmer has a script which can dump information about any nsITreeView object
# [07:08] <romaxa> bz: I'm profiling Css3d rendering on slow device and see tons of memcpy coming from http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1491838, FrameLayerBuilder::UpdateDisplayItemDataForFrame
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# [07:08] * qheaden hates when lots of debugging time results from a simple typing error.
# [07:08] <@bz> er
# [07:09] <@bz> why is SwapElements copying?
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# [07:09] <@dolske> qheaden: chrome://components/ doesn't sound like a very good namespace...
# [07:09] <@bz> romaxa: you have this in a debugger right now?
# [07:09] <qheaden> dolske: Yeah, I know. I'm going to fix that now. :P
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# [07:10] <qheaden> Maybe chrome://search? I'm working on the search addons.
# [07:10] <qheaden> That's a little confusing too.
# [07:10] <@bz> romaxa: hello?
# [07:10] <romaxa> bz:yes
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# [07:10] <@dolske> chrome://qheaden/. and we're done!
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# [07:10] <@bz> romaxa: ok. What are the concrete types of aEntry and newDisplayItems?
# [07:11] <qheaden> Yay! Leave my username in the browser for life! :)
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# [07:11] <@bz> actually, nevermind
# [07:11] <@bz> it doesn't matter
# [07:11] <@bz> romaxa: so the basic issue is that this code is calling SwapElements on mData
# [07:11] <@bz> romaxa: and we have... nsAutoTArray<DisplayItemData, 1> mData;
# [07:11] <@bz> romaxa: so we have to copy stuff around
# [07:12] <@bz> romaxa: if there is only one item in there
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# [07:12] <@bz> romaxa: now whether the copy should be using memcpy in this case....
# [07:12] <@bz> romaxa: I don't know
# [07:13] <@bz> romaxa: presumably it's just the overhead of calling memcpy that's killing us?
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# [07:13] <romaxa> bz: hmm, I'm not sure, I never seen before, possibly I was using device with optimized memcpy before, and now I have just ubuntu oneiric on beagleboard
# [07:14] <@bz> Read nsTArray_base<Alloc>::SwapArrayElements
# [07:14] <@bz> in nsTArray-inl.h
# [07:15] <@bz> it actually does the swap by creating a new array C, then copying A->C, B->A, C->B
# [07:15] <@bz> which in this case means 3 calls to memcpy
# [07:15] <@bz> to swap the elements
# [07:15] <@bz> each element looks like 12 bytes or so
# [07:16] <@bz> well, more precisely one word plus 8 bytes
# [07:16] <@bz> but I bet you're on a 32-bit system
# [07:16] <@bz> fwiw, at some point in jseng I found that a manual copy was faster than calling memcpy on Linux...
# [07:16] <@bz> or was that memmove?
# [07:17] <romaxa> bz: yes 32, memcpy
# [07:17] <@bz> oh, no, that was memcmp
# [07:17] <sfink> stop saying things like that 15 seconds after I type "memmove" into a source file
# [07:17] <romaxa> bz: https://bug730240.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=600609, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1491838
# [07:17] <@bz> where a manual loop compare beat memcmp on Linux consistently....
# [07:18] <@bz> yes
# [07:18] <@bz> I saw the pastebin
# [07:18] <@bz> it's copying because that's how nsAutoTArray implements SwapElements()
# [07:18] <@bz> Your options are to stop using an auto array or improve SwapElements
# [07:19] <romaxa> bz: ok, I see
# [07:19] <@bz> (gdb) p nsGkAtoms::text
# [07:19] <@bz> No symbol "nsGkAtoms" in current context.
# [07:19] * @bz wonders what the hell that means
# [07:19] <@bz> esp given:
# [07:19] <@bz> (gdb) p 'nsGkAtoms::text'
# [07:19] <@bz> $1 = (PermanentAtomImpl *) 0x118a64a00
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# [07:22] <qheaden> Is there a way I can register a file in the jar manifest so that it appears under a subdirectory to the package's content?
# [07:22] <qheaden> Like, can I make a file chrome://hello/content/goodbye/test.xul instead of chrome://hello/content/test.xul?
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# [07:29] <Mook> qheaden: you mean like have a foo/goodbye/test.xul in your file system, and content hello foo/ ?
# [07:30] <qheaden> Mook: I guess so. I baiscally want the subdirectories to apply to the chrome URL.
# [07:31] <Mook> yes, think of it a very dumb replacement. if you have subdirectories... you get subdirectories.
# [07:31] <qheaden> Ok.
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# [07:38] <qheaden> Well, I'm tired. Bye all. :)
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# [08:45] <jesup> %$%#$)@ power loss.... down for around an hour (wind)
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# [08:46] <hub> I thought wind produced power?
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# [08:47] <Waldo> that depends
# [08:47] <philor> hmm
# [08:47] <Waldo> sometimes it produces dead birds, which can cause it to produce less power
# [08:48] <philor> so, I've reproduced bug 730196 (though on Mac), now what do I do to see why I'm sitting here with an unzip prompt to "--- Press `Q' to quit, or any other key to continue ---"?
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# [08:56] <@bz_sleep> philor: failure to pass -q ?
# [08:56] <@bz_sleep> philor: when calling unzip?
# [08:56] <philor> wow, now *that* is entirely too much desire to touch and touch and touch bugs, alphabetizing the list of tests in the summary of a randomorange
# [08:56] <@bz_sleep> Or perhaps success at passing -M ?
# [08:57] <@bz_sleep> at least see http://lists.osuosl.org/pipermail/fossology/2008-November/004509.html
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# [08:58] <@bz_sleep> why bother?
# [08:58] <@bz_sleep> it's sitting there, right?
# [08:58] <@bz_sleep> in a terminal?
# [08:58] <@bz_sleep> ps awwwwwx | grep zip
# [08:58] <philor> nope, I continued it
# [08:58] * @bz_sleep sighs
# [08:58] <@bz_sleep> that is NOT how one debugs things!
# [08:59] <philor> I forgot where I was
# [08:59] <@bz_sleep> heh
# [08:59] <@bz_sleep> ok
# [08:59] <philor> mostly, I talk in #build, and nobody ever answers, so I just talk and then do whatever
# [08:59] <@bz_sleep> in that case, I'm sleeping for real
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# [10:01] <taviso> hey, a random question about npapi, i have a plugin that tries to call NP_Evaluate() from wtihin NPP_New(), and then fails in NPP_New() (like returns GENERIC_ERROR or something), that all works, the code is evaluated and firefox then tries to destroy the instance, but then it starts acting super weird and the ui starts misbehaving...i get no further calls to my plugin, and the same code works perfectly on other browsers...any ideas?
# [10:01] <taviso> i mean, the firefox ui, like tabs wont open and menus dont respond
# [10:02] <taviso> if i _dont_ call evaluate, and do everything else the same, it works perfectly
# [10:02] <taviso> but i kinda need that :)
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# [10:11] <gaston> how do i tell hg pull -u or hg update to _really_ remove files which have been renamed ?
# [10:12] <gaston> it tripped over itself and didn't remove intl/unicharutil/src/nsUnicodeNormalizer.h, but created ntl/unicharutil/public/nsUnicodeNormalizer.h
# [10:12] <tn> taviso, file a bug and cc joshmoz@gmail.com, benjamin@smedbergs.us ?
# [10:12] <taviso> tn: ok, thanks, will do
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# [10:14] <gaston> of course hg pull + hg update -C doesnt remove it
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# [10:20] <Ms2ger> blizzard, hah
# [10:21] <Ms2ger> (Bug 696301)
# [10:24] <gaston> is there a way to reset the repo to be what's in tip, other than update/pull ?
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# [10:27] <Ms2ger> update -C?
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# [10:27] <Ms2ger> (Off the top of my head, so do check the docs :))
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# [10:28] <gaston> that's what i did maybe 10 times
# [10:28] <gaston> and it didnt remove that damn renamed file
# [10:29] <darktrojan> rm
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# [10:29] <kwierso> gaston: hg revert -a --no-backup
# [10:30] * gaston notes
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# [10:32] <kwierso> there's also an '-r' flag to pass a specific revision to revert to
# [10:33] <gaston> i tried -r tip too
# [10:33] <gaston> oh well guess hg doesn't like to be stopped in the middle of an operation and leaves the repo in a funky state..
# [10:34] <kwierso> guess there's always recloning the repository? :)
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# [10:34] <gaston> yeah, but i try to keep it for the last last solution :)
# [10:35] <gaston> it's still an ibook g4 with an old disk after all...
# [10:35] <kwierso> my sympathies
# [10:35] <gaston> thanks :)
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# [11:07] <Ms2ger> Morning edransch-away
# [11:07] <Ms2ger> (Hrm, where did edmorley go?)
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# [11:11] <nigelb> He quit just before you wished.. tried wishing im.
# [11:11] <nigelb> *him
# [11:12] <Ms2ger> Foiled again!
# [11:13] <darktrojan> hm, I wonder how much the 51 users of https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/storage-inspector/ would like an update
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# [11:50] <Ms2ger> mak++
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# [11:50] <mak> for the merge?
# [11:51] <Ms2ger> No, the old bugs
# [11:51] <mak> aah, yeah, now waiting for the new regression bugs ;)
# [11:53] <Ms2ger> Heh
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# [11:59] <Ms2ger> jfkthame++ (bug 724826)
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# [12:16] * mak furiously wontfix bugs
# [12:17] <darktrojan> a lot of people wont fix bugs, there's no need to get emotional about it
# [12:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6fbaf8cf139c - ffxbld - Automated blocklist update from host moz2-linux-slave08
# [12:18] <mak> but this are old bugs, I must kill them
# [12:19] * mak wontfix all darktrojan filed bugs :p
# [12:20] <darktrojan> suits me
# [12:21] <mak> humpf, you're not funny ;)
# [12:21] <Ms2ger> ityf humph
# [12:22] <darktrojan> if they're wontfix'd, I won't have to fix them
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# [12:22] <darktrojan> :D
# [12:23] <mak> I thought an hidden rule was that if you file a bug someone else has to fix it!
# [12:24] <darktrojan> oh in that case
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# [12:35] <Ms2ger> wasntme
# [12:35] <mak> oh well
# [12:36] <mak> looks like they were retriggered on the merge
# [12:36] <NeilAway> bah, Planet served me html again :s
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# [12:57] <NeilAway> nigelb: things like <strong/> don't work too well in html
# [12:57] <nigelb> rss?
# [12:58] <nigelb> ah
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# [15:34] <mak> ugh?
# [15:34] <mak> 773.34 MB (100.0%) -- explicit
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# [15:35] <Ms2ger> Sounds like someone needs DMD
# [15:36] <mak> it's the first time I see something like this honestly
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# [15:40] <mak> lol, about:cc is taking ages to collect all graphs
# [15:41] <evilpie> what addons do you have?
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# [15:42] <mak> wait everything is hanging :) btw, nothing crazy. abp, gmail watcher, remote xul manager
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# [15:42] <mak> sqlite manager
# [15:43] <mak> and bugzilla tweaks
# [15:44] <mak> leaking chrome://mozapps/skin/extensions/extensions.svg and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260849
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# [15:46] <mak> woo 2,006.58 MB (100.0%) -- explicit
# [15:46] <mak> ah wait 373.86 MB (18.63%) -- shell(about:cc)
# [15:46] <mounir> mak: 2,555.35 MB (100.0%) -- explicit (you lose)
# [15:47] <mak> mounir: do you also have a large unclassified?
# [15:47] <mounir> 50%
# [15:47] <mak> ah looks like it's the same problem then
# [15:47] <mak> must be a recent regression, I'm on the 24 nightly, never seen such values
# [15:49] <mak> damn, I have to leave... hope to be able to reproduce when I have more time
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# [15:57] <@smaug> mak|afk: FYI, about:cc may take quite a bit memory, since it creates tons of JS objects, but it tries to not create any new cycle collectable objects when running/analyzing CC.
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# [15:59] <bbondy> anyone know why dgottwald@mozilla.com canceled the nightly builds this morning?
# [15:59] <bbondy> I've been waiting for this to finish for a while now so that I could test an important push relating to software updates
# [16:00] <Ms2ger> Ask Dao
# [16:00] <bbondy> can I start a new one?
# [16:01] <Ms2ger> There ran some on mak's merge
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# [16:02] <bbondy> ah ok
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# [16:10] <Anarchy> glandium, if you would msg me a good time to catch you plz, I have a few questions for you, I am around Sundays, and Mondays CST US.
# [16:10] <@smaug> hmm, I should probably fix this worst-case-is-n^2 algorithm
# [16:10] <bbondy> yay update worked
# [16:10] <bbondy> I can breathe again :)
# [16:11] <@smaug> bbondy: hey, should the silent updates work already
# [16:11] <bbondy> smaug: so there should be no UAC prompt
# [16:11] <bbondy> updates done in background aren't done yet
# [16:11] <bbondy> that's ehsan's work, its been done for a while but in review queue
# [16:11] <@smaug> ok, sounds like the behavior I got
# [16:11] <bbondy> so you will see a progress bar at startup that's all
# [16:12] <@smaug> right
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# [16:12] <bbondy> unelss the update happens fast then no progress bar.
# [16:12] <bbondy> *unless
# [16:12] <bbondy> I think background updates will land in v13
# [16:13] <bbondy> the changes I just landed was for a bunch of security enhacements to the update process
# [16:13] <bbondy> so no one should notice any difference
# [16:13] <@smaug> k
# [16:17] <Ms2ger> Anarchy, he's UTC+1
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# [16:28] <WG9s> all set mzz took care of it.
# [16:28] <WG9s> oh but now back
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# [16:42] <mak> mounir: yes but I had high memory before installing about:cc, fwiw
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# [16:45] <@smaug> mak|afk: had you installed new addons?
# [16:45] <mak|afk> smaug: no
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# [16:46] <mak> smaug: something must have regressed, I didn't install anything new, though my memory was messed up. will see if I can reproduce again or was just a strange case
# [16:47] <mak> for sure I had a bugzilla page leaked by an eventlistener
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# [16:48] <pranavrc> msucan, ping
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# [17:02] <msucan> pranavrc: pong
# [17:02] <msucan> sorry i was away eating
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# [17:06] <pranavrc> msucan, I think I understand what the discrepancy is. When there's a commented line, say, in CSS mode, and I make a selection across several lines with only that one line commented out, it still uncomments that line. Which it shouldn't. Is that what you were pointing out?
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# [17:07] <msucan> pranavrc: yes!
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# [17:07] <pranavrc> msucan, ah, ok, sorry for the mess. Thanks!
# [17:07] <msucan> pranavrc: hehe, no worries. it was just that at code level this is really easy
# [17:07] <msucan> it was harder to explain in words :)
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# [17:09] <pranavrc> righto, will patch asap
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# [19:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cd4853b0b94a - Andreas Gal - Turn on disk cache for gonk and point it to the /cache partition (bug 730591, r=cjones).
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# [20:11] <jesup> I so love it when an HD dies (and doesn't even show up in the POST scan) :-(
# [20:13] <jesup> Teach me not to give in and install a RAID setup a few years ago. (It was a secondary drive without much important, non-recoverable stuff on it, I think.)
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# [20:14] <jesup> Biggest pile lost was game installs (in particular 150+GB of Steam data); that can all be re-installed - I love FiOS
# [20:15] <@smaug> philor: thanks
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# [20:17] <derf> Drives are big enough now that there's basically no excuse not to run regular backups.
# [20:17] * @smaug has never managed to kill a hd
# [20:17] <derf> I killed 20 in the span of about 2 years.
# [20:17] <derf> Even killed the hdd in my portable music player.
# [20:18] <@khuey> I used to go through an hdd every 6 months in my last laptop
# [20:18] <@khuey> that was always fun
# [20:19] <jesup> Ugh.
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# [20:21] <jesup> I was doing regular backups, but then DVDs got too small... I do have a USB backup drive, but I was using that for my work machine. It was the older, smaller (500GB?) drive that died, the 1.5TB drive *seems* ok, though I'm doing a pretty full backup now. (and already grabbed essential stuff by network and thumb drive)
# [20:22] <jesup> And I pretty much have stopped deleting photos off SD cards from cameras, and use them as backups - SD cards are cheap enough not to care.
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# [20:23] <philor> smaug: trying to keep my fingers warm while nothing's really running anywhere :)
# [20:23] <jesup> ~100GB of photos, maybe another 40GB of video. Once that would have been a huge amount...
# [20:23] <@smaug> :)
# [20:24] <jbuck> if you're on Windows, what do you use for back-up? Windows Backup isn't quite as good as Time Machine...
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# [20:26] <jesup> Depends. I'm using the stuff that came with the USB backup drive right now (ArcSoft TotalMedia Backup). I've used WIndows backup in the past, not very good but worked. And SSH :-)
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# [20:28] <jesup> Nothing I'm really happy with, because I haven't used it enough to have an opinion.
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# [20:30] <jesup> I'll be stopping at MicroCenter to get a pair of drives for a RAID1 setup (which I've used for years at my old work, on Fedora, which is what my current desktop work machine is, though it's on an SSD). Motherboard RAID sucks as RAID, but I really just want data duplication, and this machine isn't used for development - I may also nuke the ancient WinXP in the process, if I'm feeling lucky.
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# [20:55] <froydnj> is there a good way to do printf debugging from a JS component in a mochitest?
# [20:55] <NeilAway> derf: so far, none of my backup drives have outlived the drive they're ostensibly backing up...
# [20:55] <@smaug> dump()
# [20:56] <@smaug> I think
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# [20:56] <froydnj> I tried dump and I didn't get anything in my mochitest log
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# [20:58] <saebekassebil> Is there a way for for an addon to know if it's being run in Firefox or Thunderbird (or SeaMonkey)?
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# [20:58] <NeilAway> firefox these days looks really wierd in Windows Classic
# [20:58] <NeilAway> sorry, weird
# [20:58] <NeilAway> saebekassebil: nsIXULAppInfo, I think
# [20:59] <saebekassebil> NeilAway: Yea, I was too rash I just found it - But thanks!
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# [21:00] <@smaug> saebekassebil: some addons seem to do something like http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1491907
# [21:00] <@smaug> (not my code)
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# [21:01] <saebekassebil> smaug: Thanks, but the nsIXULAppInfo seems more reliable
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# [21:10] <philor> because both ted and I ran tests under wireshark to catch anything hitting the network, but both on Macs, where we don't do a11y
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# [21:13] <Mnyromyr> hm, comm-central's mozilla-central is lacking xpidllex.py?!
# [21:14] <Mnyromyr> make[8]: Entering directory `/home/kd/projects/mozilla/mozilla.org/obj/sr/mozilla/xpcom/typelib/xpidl'
# [21:14] <Mnyromyr> make[8]: *** No rule to make target `../../../xpcom/idl-parser/xpidllex.py', needed by `libs'. Stop.
# [21:14] <philor> see the topic
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# [21:15] <Mnyromyr> oh, heh
# [21:15] <Mnyromyr> thx
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# [21:15] <Mnyromyr> never expected somethinmg useful in the topic ^_^
# [21:15] <Ms2ger> Most people don't
# [21:17] <Mnyromyr> *g*
# [21:17] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: :(
# [21:18] <Mnyromyr> in fact, I already had that bug open, but only read the last two comments 9_9
# [21:20] <tbsaunde> so, I wonder, any chance we can prevent particular test suites from touching the network so once a testsuite is fixed it doesn't start using the network again?
# [21:20] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: looks like they open windows without specifying the page they want, so they get the default home page, which hits the network in SeaMonkey at least
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# [21:22] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: oh, that seems like it should be easy to fix no?
# [21:22] <@smaug> how should I use je_malloc_usable_size_in_advance
# [21:22] <@smaug> I get linking error
# [21:23] <philor> tbsaunde: there's a million year long project to disable network access for the buildfarm, so eventually either the access will fail silently or the test will fail if it really depends on the network access, but we're only in about year 300,000 of it
# [21:24] <glandium> smaug: look at other places it's used
# [21:25] <glandium> smaug: and file a bug to make it less painful (and assign it to me)
# [21:25] <tbsaunde> philor: yeah
# [21:25] <tbsaunde> but I wonder if something faster but less perfect would be good in the mean time
# [21:25] <@smaug> uh, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/storage/src/mozStorageService.cpp#532
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# [21:28] <glandium> smaug: see bug 720682, too
# [21:29] <glandium> (its patch)
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# [22:13] <@khuey> this mozilla.governance thread is already annoying
# [22:13] <@khuey> and it only has one participant
# [22:15] <Ms2ger> Oh, that guy
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# [22:22] * jtcranmer looks at it
# [22:22] <Ms2ger> I would recommend against that
# [22:23] <jtcranmer> um... we've had pyxpcom as a semi-official quasi-supported project
# [22:23] <jtcranmer> it ahsn't gotten much traction
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# [22:24] <jtcranmer> given our technical debt from history
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# [22:24] <Ms2ger> I know
# [22:24] <Ms2ger> I've removed much of the code to support it myself :)
# [22:24] <jtcranmer> we need to shove off capabilities to be ble to move forward
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# [22:25] <jtcranmer> that's why we more or less killed pyxpcom and javaxpcom
# [22:25] <jtcranmer> and he's laughing about the problems of JS without noticing the irony that python has many of those same problems
# [22:26] <jbuck> lol. his last paragraph is *golden*
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# [22:27] <evilpie> i find it sad :(
# [22:27] <@khuey> if I send him an email offering to buy him a copy of How To Win Friends and Influence People, is that in bad taste?
# [22:27] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [22:28] <jtcranmer> my response is pretty much this, in a nutshell:
# [22:28] <jtcranmer> someone has to pay the time and energy to support this
# [22:28] <jtcranmer> supporting python on the web won't do much for interoperability help, since no one is also going to include it
# [22:28] <Ms2ger> We could do dart
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# [22:29] <jtcranmer> it is therefore better for Mozilla to not spend its efforts on it
# [22:29] <jtcranmer> you've identified that you cannot keep up with it
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# [22:29] <Ms2ger> Anyway, we would not take patches to support python for content code even if he paid for it
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# [22:32] <jtcranmer> xpcom isn't sufficient to cover the full DOM/HTML apis
# [22:32] <@khuey> hey, in the future he can write his own binding generator for python :-D
# [22:32] <jtcranmer> I was also laughing when he was saying how wonderful a technology it was, when it is anything but
# [22:33] <Ms2ger> XPCOM?
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# [22:34] <jtcranmer> yeah
# [22:34] <Ms2ger> Hah
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# [22:56] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: well, I said looks... I didn't look at the code, just at the screen
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# [23:01] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: yeah, fair enough
# [23:02] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: and I said seems not must ;)
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# [23:07] <luke> anyone familiar with the app cache?
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# [23:18] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: indeed :-)
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# [23:44] <darktrojan> I thought she was just a triage bot
# [23:44] <Ms2ger> darktrojan--
# [23:44] <darktrojan> :(
# [23:45] <darktrojan> is alice your other secret identity, Ms2ger ?
# [23:45] <Ms2ger> Oshi-
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