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# Session Start: Sat Mar 03 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:10] * RyanVM hopes jlebar's latest push is green
# [00:11] <jlebar> Ryan, It didn't burn immediately, which is nice.
# [00:11] <jlebar> er, RyanVM^
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# [00:14] <RyanVM> yes, just hoping there aren't test failures to diagnose
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# [00:15] * Waldo snickers at bug 729952 comment 13
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# [00:16] <Waldo> ...and now I'm caught up to where I got roped into the bug
# [00:16] * Waldo returns to...hmm, reviewing or coding?
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# [00:24] <luke> Waldo: any bug on file to use the new HashFunction in SM?
# [00:25] <Waldo> luke: I'm not aware of one, but I have neither looked nor kept up particularly well with my bugmail lately
# [00:26] <luke> Waldo: ok, just curious
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# [00:26] <Octayn> khuey: ping
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# [00:26] <Waldo> \m/
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# [00:28] <@khuey> Octayn: hi
# [00:29] <Octayn> khuey: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557540#c10 what is meant by 'different approach' and what's the status on the file api stuff?
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# [00:29] <@khuey> Octayn: talk to Jonas Sicking (sicking on IRC) about that
# [00:29] <@khuey> Octayn: I'm not really involved anymore
# [00:30] <Octayn> Alright, thanks
# [00:30] <@khuey> np
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# [00:30] <jlebar> Blue? wth is blue?
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# [00:31] <jlebar> Oh, help.
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# [00:32] <philor> the joyous and wonderful and mostly withheld from me RETRY
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# [00:34] <Jesse> Waldo: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=732607
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# [00:35] <Waldo> Jesse: good, good; at least some of those assertion messages seem redundant with the expression, might consider removing them in some cases
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# [00:36] <Jesse> Waldo: i wonder whether you and i agree on which messages are redundant ;)
# [00:36] <ddahl> if I am seeing an error like: TypeError: Cc['@mozilla.org/dom/domcrypt-api;1'] is undefined - where do I set a breakpoint to watch it attempt to get the component?
# [00:36] <Waldo> Jesse: dunno; I'm not going to sweat it :-)
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# [00:37] <Waldo> hopefully we can agree that the message in MOZ_ASSERT(i < Length(), "invalid array index"); in ElementAt is pointless
# [00:38] <bent> lsblakk, confusion resolved
# [00:38] <bent> lsblakk, i pushed
# [00:38] <lsblakk> awesome!
# [00:38] <bent> lsblakk, esr should be a go
# [00:39] <Waldo> Jesse: why the not-changed parts, incidentally?
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# [00:39] <Jesse> Waldo: running out of memory isn't a bug (and could be downgraded from assertion to warning, maybe)
# [00:40] <Jesse> Waldo: and i didn't see much of a reason to change NS_ABORT_IF_FALSE to MOZ_ASSERT
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# [00:40] <@khuey> ddahl: nsComponentManagerImpl::ContractIDToCID?
# [00:40] <Waldo> one way to do it; although perhaps the assumption is it'll all get changed at once eventually
# [00:40] <@khuey> depending on what "get the component means"
# [00:40] <ddahl> khuey: that sounds good. I default to calling Math.sin in my test:)
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# [00:40] <@khuey> you're not really going to learn much there though
# [00:41] <@khuey> other than that the contractid isn't registered
# [00:41] <ddahl> khuey: yeah that is the problem. I don't know what I am missing from establishing this component
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# [00:42] <@khuey> ddahl: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557540#c10
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# [00:43] <mak> so, who broke localStorage in inbound?
# [00:44] <mak> jlebar maybe?
# [00:44] <@khuey> localStorage is broken by design
# [00:44] <@khuey> just ask taras
# [00:44] <heftig> i'm not sure if i'm reading configure.in right, but MOZ_SAFE_BROWSING is enabled by default?
# [00:44] <ddahl> khuey: trying to figure out the relavance, and good one!
# [00:44] <gavin> heftig: for firefox, yes
# [00:44] <bent> ok folks, PSA time, make sure you check the results of 'hg transplant'
# [00:45] <gavin> bent: check it how?
# [00:45] <heftig> gavin: okay, thanks. i'm trying to reduce the size of my distribution's large mozconfig
# [00:45] <bent> it can do some really bad merges without complaining
# [00:45] <gavin> heftig: excellent!
# [00:45] <gavin> heftig: monstruous mozconfigs are evil :)
# [00:45] <jlebar> Oh no.
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# [00:45] <jlebar> Sigh, I have a patch fixing it.
# [00:45] <heftig> there are a lot of with-system-*
# [00:45] <jlebar> But I didn't think this patch broke it.
# [00:45] <heftig> i'm wondering how much sense those make
# [00:46] <heftig> i already had to comment some due to build failures
# [00:46] <jlebar> mak, I'm sorry, I have to run out five minutes ago. We should just back me out.
# [00:46] <RyanVM> jlebar: aren't we on a roll tonight :P
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# [00:46] <jlebar> Gah, wall of shame for me.
# [00:46] <jlebar> I didn't break localstorage, btw.
# [00:46] <jlebar> I broke tests which rely on hash function ordering.
# [00:46] <jlebar> Yeah. So...go whoever wrote those tests.
# [00:46] <jlebar> RyanVM, Would you mind backing me out? I'm being yanked out of my chair right now.
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# [00:47] <RyanVM> jlebar: ok
# [00:47] <jlebar> RyanVM, thanks a lot.
# [00:47] <bent> jlebar, we have the 'french fedora of fail'
# [00:47] <@khuey> lol
# [00:47] <jlebar> Or someone can push https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=601857&action=edit
# [00:47] <heftig> gavin: if you have a moment, could you please look at the mozconfig and tell me what i can safely remove?
# [00:47] <jlebar> which just got r+
# [00:48] <gavin> heftig: sure I can take a quick look
# [00:48] <heftig> gavin: http://pkgbuild.com/~heftig/aurora/mozconfig
# [00:48] <jlebar> Anyway, I am already late. Fedora for me.
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# [00:48] <Jesse> he's holding his ipad upside down :( http://videos.theonion.com/onion_video/auto/27514/worlds-youngest-person-born-podcast-6132.mp4
# [00:49] <gavin> heftig: you're mbuilding mozilla-central?
# [00:49] <heftig> gavin: mozilla-aurora
# [00:50] <gavin> heftig: with-branding=browser/branding/aurora is redundant on aurora, that's the default there
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# [00:51] <heftig> gavin: huh? configure.in says branding/nightly
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# [00:51] <gavin> heftig: confvars.sh overrides on aurora
# [00:52] <gavin> heftig: also disable-mochitest no longer exists
# [00:52] <heftig> ah, okay, thanks
# [00:53] <gavin> heftig:enable-optimize is also on by default
# [00:54] <gavin> everything else looks OK
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# [00:54] <heftig> system libs as well?
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# [00:55] <gavin> well, using that many system libs doesn't seem like a great idea to me
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# [00:55] <heftig> we usually just ship the newest upstream releases. i don't know if mozilla does any important patches to the in-tree libs
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# [00:55] <gavin> but I understand distros tend to prefer it
# [00:55] <gavin> I don't know how well each of those is tested
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# [00:56] <ddahl> khuey: looks like I am returning NS_ERROR_FACTORY_NOT_REGISTERED - my component is packaged up in dom_base.xpt
# [00:57] <gavin> xpts only contain interfaces, not components
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# [00:58] <heftig> gavin: alright, thanks for your help.
# [00:58] <@khuey> ddahl: does your component have a manifest?
# [00:59] <@khuey> and is it set up in the makefile and whatnot?
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# [00:59] <ddahl> khuey: I thought *Module.cpp was used instead of a manifest if it is native code
# [01:00] <@khuey> oh, this is native code?
# [01:00] * @khuey just assumed you were writing js ...
# [01:00] <@khuey> ddahl: does your code get linked into libxul?
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# [01:00] <ddahl> khuey: yeah- i think so... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=602308&action=diff
# [01:00] <ddahl> khuey: i assume so as I have fixed several errors while linking in the new code
# [01:00] <@khuey> ddahl: did you add yourself to http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/library/nsStaticXULComponents.cpp#201 ?
# [01:01] <ddahl> ahhh
# [01:01] <ddahl> khuey: you are a fount of knowledge
# [01:01] <jhammel> font, itym
# [01:01] <ddahl> jhammel: thx
# [01:01] <By-Tor> I'd say fount. :P
# [01:02] <ddahl> khuey: is that documented? I scoured MDN...
# [01:02] <@khuey> I doubt it
# [01:02] <Jesse> should i add code to the DOM fuzzer so it can find exceptions in chrome JS? are those bugs worth finding and fixing? e.g. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=732593
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# [01:03] <By-Tor> How does one go about building mozilla-build?
# [01:03] <gavin> Jesse: generally yes
# [01:03] <@khuey> By-Tor: uh ... you really don't want to do that
# [01:03] <Callek> By-Tor: have access to the mozilla-build-build VM at MoCo then "very carefully"
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# [01:03] <@khuey> yeah pretty much :-(
# [01:03] <By-Tor> I wanted to try a win8 build. :|
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# [01:04] <@khuey> oh, you can just copy the relevant batch files into your mozilla-build install
# [01:04] <@khuey> there's no need to rebuild the whole thing
# [01:04] <ddahl> khuey: I KNEW IT SOMETHING WAS UNDOCUMENTED!!! OMG! ;)
# [01:05] <@khuey> ddahl: welcome to gecko
# [01:05] <By-Tor> I just wasn't sure what to copy.
# [01:05] <@khuey> By-Tor: the start-msvc11 files
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# [01:05] <@khuey> everything else should be up to date
# [01:05] <@khuey> iirc
# [01:05] <ddahl> khuey: thank you for the courteous welcome to geckoland
# [01:05] <By-Tor> Ok, I'll have a look.
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# [01:06] <Callek> khuey: does msvc11 YET have a sane-with-memory linker?
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# [01:07] <@khuey> Callek: no idea
# [01:07] <Callek> either by not exhausting when we get real high, or by being a 64 bit linker able to produce 32 bit binaries?
# [01:07] <Callek> ;-)
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# [01:07] <@khuey> Callek: right now MSVC 11 generates binaries that don't run on XP, so I'm not really interested ;-)
# [01:07] <Callek> ooooo really?
# [01:07] <@khuey> yep
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# [01:08] <Callek> MSVC11 produced can't even run on XP?
# [01:08] <Callek> well that sucks
# [01:09] <@khuey> Callek: https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/690617/bug-apps-created-with-crt-and-mfc-vnext-11-cannot-be-used-on-windows-xp-sp3
# [01:09] <Callek> khuey: _and mfc_ ?
# [01:09] <Callek> *we* don't build with MFC iirc
# [01:10] <By-Tor> It's just for the sake of experimentation. I'm not liking win8 at all.
# [01:10] <@khuey> Callek: the bug report is saying that the MFC libs and the CRT libs don't run on XP
# [01:10] <@khuey> Callek: not that the combination doesn't
# [01:10] <Callek> ahh ok
# [01:10] <By-Tor> Are there just blobs available with the files? If so, I don't see them.
# [01:11] <@khuey> Callek: there are some comments that looked at the CRT source
# [01:11] <@khuey> Callek: apparently it's all Vista-d up
# [01:11] <Callek> ugh
# [01:11] <Callek> if thats true than I'd expect MS to de-support XP within the next 2 years (likely even 1 year)
# [01:11] <@khuey> By-Tor: like http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-build/raw-file/a1bc3aa272a8/start-msvc11.bat ?
# [01:12] <@khuey> Callek: the support schedule has been posted publically for some time ...
# [01:12] <By-Tor> Ok, that's what I was looking for.
# [01:12] <Callek> ooo it has?
# [01:12] <Callek> I didn't know MS already announced an EOL for XP
# [01:12] <By-Tor> You are a fount of knowledge. :)
# [01:12] <@khuey> Callek: april 8th 2014
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# [01:13] <Callek> ok, so my assessment was right "2 years"
# [01:13] <Callek> but means that we can't really upgrade unilaterally to 2011 aiui
# [01:13] <Callek> s/2011/11/
# [01:13] <@khuey> nope
# [01:14] <@khuey> we're going to end up in some sort of bizarre situation where our normal binaries are built with 2010 and our metro stuff is built with 11
# [01:14] <@khuey> or something
# [01:14] <reuben> or we could drop XP support
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# [01:15] <@khuey> Asa may have something to say about tht
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# [01:15] * Waldo can't think of anything trollish to say now :-(
# [01:15] <Waldo> slipping on the job
# [01:16] <jhammel> freelance writer?
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# [01:16] <By-Tor> Ok, I'll go out on a limb... is there a 64 bit version?
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# [01:16] <@khuey> By-Tor: of the batch file?
# [01:16] <Waldo> jhammel: good man
# [01:16] <ddahl> khuey: so I added the MODULE(nsDOMCryptAPI) to toolkit/library/nsStaticXULComponents.cpp and I get: undefined reference to `nsDOMCryptAPI_NSModule' which leads me to believe there are further undocumented steps to take:)
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# [01:17] <@khuey> link me your diff?
# [01:17] <By-Tor> Not the actual batch file, but, to build a 64 bit version.
# [01:17] <By-Tor> heheh
# [01:17] <@khuey> you want the -x64 batch file then
# [01:17] <By-Tor> Yes
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# [01:17] <ddahl> khuey: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=602308&action=diff
# [01:17] <@khuey> By-Tor: should be easy enough to figure out where to get it from ;-)
# [01:18] <@khuey> ddahl: don't create your own module for new dom code
# [01:18] <NeilAway> bah, if I didn't want "Bug" on my bug numbers I'd visit zilla.mozilla.org :-P
# [01:18] <@khuey> ddahl: stick whatever your need in layout/build/nsLayoutModule with the rest of it
# [01:18] <ddahl> khuey: ok
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# [01:19] <ddahl> khuey: will do
# [01:19] <By-Tor> Yep, got it. :)
# [01:19] <By-Tor> Lots of strange artifacts running under win8.
# [01:19] <ddahl> khuey: although, this is not the DOM api - this is more of an internal chrome JS component/api
# [01:20] <ddahl> the DOM api will wrap this
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# [01:21] <ddahl> khuey: ok, that looks like the NSSComponentModule one too, cool
# [01:21] <@khuey> yeah, should be similar
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# [01:24] <Waldo> hmm, there was a cantina in SF this week, wasn't there
# [01:24] * Waldo keeps not heading up to SF for those :-\
# [01:25] <@khuey> yep
# [01:25] <Waldo> khuey: you're not cantinaing
# [01:25] <Waldo> :-)
# [01:26] <@khuey> yes I am
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# [01:26] <Waldo> not hard enough!
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# [01:30] <@dolske> ...why?
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# [01:31] <Waldo> dolske: he has a button
# [01:31] <@dolske> twss.
# [01:31] <Waldo> dolske: that's what the button says!
# [01:32] <@dolske> I know, I saw it last night!
# [01:32] <sfink> twss
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# [01:34] <derf> Hmm, m-c looks green, but I'm getting No rule to make target `../../../xpcom/idl-parser/xpidllex.py
# [01:34] <derf> What am I missing?
# [01:35] <aja> the topic
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# [01:35] <derf> Oh, topic is too long.
# [01:35] <derf> I looked.
# [01:35] <lurking_work> o_O
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# [01:37] <edmorley> jhammel++
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# [01:39] <edmorley> jlebar|frenchfedoraoffail: delayed response, but blue is the colour all of the android runs should be turning, once the patches in bug 660480 and friends work
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# [01:39] <edmorley> at which point philor will be happy dancing for a week
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# [01:40] * Waldo wonders how many man-hours have been lost thus far from the xpidllex.py thing :-)
# [01:41] <edmorley> probably still less than have been wasted reading all of the pyxpcom related threads
# [01:41] <derf> Well, I fixed my bug upstream in about 5 minutes. I'm still waiting for a successful m-c build, 45 minutes later now.
# [01:41] <derf> If this was the only thing I'd been working on in the interim, I'd be depressed.
# [01:43] * edmorley changes topic to 'For build failures w/ xpidllex.py, see bug 723861#c17 || m-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: 13th March || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [01:44] <derf> edmorley++
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# [01:44] <aja> still just as long, though :/
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# [01:45] <edmorley> not quite, and at the start now
# [01:45] <edmorley> However, perhaps someone posting on Planet might be the most efficient way
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# [01:46] <aja> think it was, iirc
# [01:47] <derf> aja: Anyway, thanks. That solved my problem.
# [01:47] <aja> mebbe on newsgroup
# [01:47] * edmorley changes topic to 'xpidllex.py build failures = bug 723861 c17 || m-c + m-i: OPEN || Next uplift: 13th March || If you are new or want to help, join #introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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# [01:47] <aja> cool
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# [01:50] <edmorley> 302 chars -> 227 -> 185, bit better
# [01:51] <jhammel> should have bzipped it ;)
# [01:52] <Waldo> edmorley: you need someone to do that?
# [01:53] <edmorley> post on Planet?
# [01:53] <Waldo> yeha
# [01:53] <aja> edmorley: much better topic change than most of the one's i saw last night
# [01:53] <Waldo> s/ha/ah/
# [01:53] <edmorley> Waldo: might save a few more man hours, if you have a syndicated blog?
# [01:54] <edmorley> I have neither a blog nor a syndicated blog, so cannot do so :-)
# [01:54] <Waldo> will do
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# [01:54] <edmorley> thank you :-)
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# [01:55] <edmorley> suspect influx of people hitting the issue, post return from MWC
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# [01:57] <edmorley> jhammel: the silly thing is I suspect more people would actually take the time to work it out/read it, if we did that :-)
# [01:57] <jhammel> edmorley: tbh, my client (irssi) also only displays the first 80 chars
# [01:57] <jhammel> so yes, i would be more likely to read it :)
# [01:58] <Waldo> 80 characters ought to be enough for anyone
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# [01:59] <Waldo> http://whereswalden.com/2012/03/02/psa-if-you-get-a-xpidllex-py-failure-building-mozilla-central-rm-topsrcdirxpcomidl-parser-pyc-bug-723861-eom/
# [01:59] <jhammel> not for tweeters and their bourgeois 140
# [01:59] <Waldo> don't bother loading that URL, natch :-)
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# [02:00] * edmorley changes topic to 'xpidllex.py failures = bug 723861 || All trees:OPEN || Next uplift: 13/03 || New/want to help? See #introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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# [02:02] <edmorley> :-)
# [02:02] * @khuey should have left +t on the channel :-P
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# [02:03] <edmorley> khuey: Might have just been easier to fix bug 723861 :P
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# [02:05] <@khuey> WONTFIXing was more fun though
# [02:06] * @khuey grumbles
# [02:06] <@khuey> why are people changing nsINode and bitrotting my patches
# [02:06] <sfink> why ask a question and answer it in the same sentence?
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# [02:07] <zwol> my girlfriend likes to answer that kind of question with "because the universe hates you"
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# [02:15] <dholbert> <firstworldproblem>Walking back to machine, expecting a local reftest run to be done, only to find that it's stuck on a reftest that needs focus</firstworldproblem>
# [02:16] <mattwoodrow> dholbert: Is it marked needsfocus?
# [02:16] <mattwoodrow> ?
# [02:16] <dholbert> mattwoodrow, I've hit like 10 of them so far
# [02:16] <dholbert> /me checks the one it's currently stuck on
# [02:16] <mattwoodrow> theres a lot that aren't marked
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# [02:17] <mattwoodrow> it should take focus when it needs it
# [02:17] <zwol> dholbert: this is why I like running local reftests under xvfb
# [02:17] <zwol> dholbert: it has the computer to itself! really!
# [02:17] <zwol> (not really)
# [02:17] <dholbert> zwol, yeah, I've done that for mochitests but I need to do that for reftests as well
# [02:17] <zwol> you have to put a WM in there, though
# [02:18] <Waldo> fun question for C++11-heads: should this compile? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1499534
# [02:18] <dholbert> mattwoodrow, I'm stuck on one that is marked "needs-focus" and yet it did not steal focus
# [02:18] <zwol> I thought you couldn't put '= delete' on anything but implicit methods
# [02:18] <zwol> I could be wrong
# [02:18] <dholbert> mattwoodrow, ( http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/reftests/editor/reftest.list?mark=59-59#59 )
# [02:19] <dholbert> mattwoodrow, (I've never seen reftests steal focus before, fwiw... maybe that only works on some platforms?)
# [02:19] <mattwoodrow> dholbert: Well thats weird, maybe needs focus isn't working
# [02:19] <mattwoodrow> it definitely does on mac
# [02:19] <dholbert> (I'm on linux)
# [02:19] <dholbert> interesting
# [02:19] <dholbert> maybe it's not implemented on linux
# [02:19] <Waldo> zwol: nope, you can delete anything
# [02:20] * Waldo is tentatively thinking 8.4.3 last sentence says that it shouldn't compile
# [02:20] <zwol> Waldo: I can see where "there is no base for this template, only partial specializations" would be a useful thing to be able to say
# [02:20] <zwol> er
# [02:20] <Waldo> yeah
# [02:20] <zwol> s/partial//
# [02:21] <Waldo> I think I can just remove = delete and I'll get essentially the same behavior
# [02:21] <Waldo> but given that clang errors on this and gcc4.6 doesn't, now I'm curious :-)
# [02:21] <Waldo> "A deleted definition of a function shall be the first declaration of the function or, for an explicit specialization of a function template, the first declaration of that specialization." is that sentence, fwiw
# [02:21] <zwol> without the = delete it should be a link error when sizeof(void) != 4 or 6
# [02:21] <zwol> actually why not just
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# [02:22] <Waldo> yeah, ideally I'd use =delete to force it to be a compile-time error, if possible
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# [02:22] <zwol> template<size_t PointerSize> inline uint32_t AddToHash(uint32_t hash, uintptr_t u) { static_assert(PointerSize == 4 || PointerSize == 8); }
# [02:22] <zwol> violates DRY, but *shrug*
# [02:23] <Waldo> in the actual code, there's different control flow depending on whether uintptr_t is like uint32_t or uint64_t, so I do want specializations
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# [02:23] <zwol> I mean, that's the whole body of the base template
# [02:23] <zwol> and then you override it with specializations on 4 and 8
# [02:23] <zwol> so any time the base template gets instantiated, the static_assert fails
# [02:24] <Waldo> oh, I see; good call
# [02:24] <zwol> I think you have to have an expression involving PointerSize in the static_assert or it might fail all the time, though
# [02:25] * Waldo is aware of a compiler bug that might start biting here, but we'll see
# [02:25] <zwol> might want to file a bug on clang, too; it does seem like '= delete' on a base template should do what you wanted it to do
# [02:25] <zwol> and they'll have their own C++ experts to tell you if it's not allowed
# [02:26] <Waldo> I'll rope espindola in next time I see him :-)
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# [02:26] <zwol> back later, perhaps
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# [02:34] <jimb> I think I broke inbound.
# [02:34] <jimb> I hit C-c in the midst of a push, and now https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound won't load any more. :((((
# [02:35] <heftig> jimb: seems to work fine here
# [02:35] <jimb> (It being 5:30 on a Friday, I can't imagine why anyone might be unhappy with me.)
# [02:35] <jimb> Hm.
# [02:36] <jimb> heftig: Did you try inbound, specifically the link I posted?
# [02:36] <heftig> yes.
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# [02:36] <heftig> ah, wait
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# [02:36] <heftig> sorry, that indeed errors
# [02:36] <jimb> :(
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# [02:36] <heftig> maybe it will fix itself upon the next successful push
# [02:37] <jimb> Here's hoping.
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# [02:46] <rnewman> remote: error: pretxnchangegroup.z_loghistory hook raised an exception: column rev is not unique
# [02:46] <rnewman> :( :(
# [02:47] <rnewman> pushing to inbound
# [02:47] <rnewman> didn't that bite us on the last hg update or something?
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# [02:49] <Waldo> that problem won't fix itself; it requires IT involvement
# [02:49] <Waldo> someone file the bug
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# [02:50] <Waldo> e.g. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=628095
# [02:50] <rnewman> ah, saves me finding
# [02:50] * rnewman files
# [02:50] <Waldo> which was rather worse, actually, given that I filed that at 0100 on a Sunday morning
# [02:51] <jlebar|frenchfedoraoffail> RyanVM++
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# [02:52] <rnewman> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=732642
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# [03:04] <Waldo> okay, every single review in my queue now was requested today, I think I've done enough reviewing for the day
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# [03:15] <bkero> Waldo: It's 3am for me, and I'm fixing it :P
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# [03:19] <Waldo> heh :-\
# [03:21] <@khuey> it's 3 am in portland?
# [03:21] <bkero> khuey: I'm in Paris
# [03:21] <@khuey> ah
# [03:21] <@khuey> that makes more sense
# [03:21] <bkero> packing because my flight leaves at noon :P
# [03:21] <@khuey> ha
# [03:21] <Waldo> hah
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# [03:33] <bkero> fixed
# [03:33] <bkero> can someone try to push?
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# [03:37] <@khuey> uh, sure
# [03:37] <@khuey> to which repo?
# [03:37] <ewong> khuey m-i I believe
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# [03:39] <@khuey> bkero: no luck
# [03:40] <@khuey> bkero: http://khuey.pastebin.mozilla.org/1499646
# [03:40] <bkero> khuey: try now
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# [03:40] <bkero> pages seem to be loading
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# [03:41] <@khuey> bkero: fixed!
# [03:41] <ewong> bkero++
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# [03:42] <edmorley> \o/
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# [04:06] <Waldo> espindola: gcc compiles this, clang doesn't, you happen to know what the spec says should happen? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1499715
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# [04:06] <Waldo> assuming a non-insane architecture, of course :-)
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# [04:11] <edmorley> killer, or someone who can kline, spammer in #fx-team + #build
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# [04:13] <kbrosnan> edmorley: reed is around, not sure if he cleaned that up
# [04:13] <tbsaunde> Waldo: you mean 8086 isn't saine! ;)
# [04:14] <Waldo> tbsaunde: not in the year of our lord 2012, as gal would say it
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# [04:14] <edmorley> kbrosnan: thank you, sure he/someone will get to it :-)
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# [04:24] <@khuey> idk who james may is
# [04:24] <@khuey> but I like him
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# [04:29] <@bz> oh, I see
# [04:30] <@khuey> bz: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/msg/2076131368ec2fc5
# [04:30] <@bz> yeah
# [04:30] <@bz> I just saw
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# [04:32] <tn> khuey, top gear (uk)!
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# [04:34] * Waldo does think there's something to jpr's comment, that even just appearances matter
# [04:35] <@khuey> fwiw, I agree
# [04:35] <Waldo> even beyond the some-people-do-need-the-memory bit
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# [04:56] <philor> oh yeah, that's what I like to see, tagging on top of total failure to run tests :)
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# [04:57] <philor> with a bonus layer of "five pushes all with pending 10.7 tests"
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# [05:04] <philor> khuey: you've got orange on beta
# [05:04] <philor> I'd deal with it, but the way tbpl refuses to load it makes me think it's a max log size overflow
# [05:05] <@khuey> k
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# [05:07] <@khuey> heh
# [05:07] <@khuey> doesn't want to load
# [05:07] <philor> open the full log for something else, copy the "download raw log" link, trim the filename
# [05:07] <nthomas|away> dolske: you used the same url twice in your comment on bug 732526
# [05:07] <philor> unless you mean the raw log from ftp.m.o doesn't load, that would be fun
# [05:08] <@khuey> ah
# [05:08] * @khuey tries that
# [05:08] <philor> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-beta-win32-debug/1330711003/
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# [05:09] <philor> wait, 66Kb?
# [05:09] <philor> what's wrong with you, tbpl?
# [05:09] <@khuey> REFTEST TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | file:///c:/talos-slave/test/build/reftest/tests/layout/reftests/bugs/598726-1.html | image comparison (==)
# [05:09] <@khuey> looks like 702184
# [05:09] <deLta30> Is #content hacked or something?
# [05:09] <@khuey> yes
# [05:09] <deLta30> It has an inappropriate subject
# [05:09] <philor> wait, what's wrong with *me*, as I carefully look up the log for an already starred Win7 xpcshell?
# [05:10] <@khuey> philor: it's still only 660k compressed
# [05:10] <@khuey> anyways, it's bug 702184
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# [05:10] <philor> I'm used to overflow happening in Moth, which takes them up to 3.5Mb compressed
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# [05:15] <@khuey> it certainly is mfbt
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# [05:18] <philor> probably just suggestion, since I was drinking Fresca because it's the only thing in the house, and it's only here because it's an ingredient in my sister's rot-gut cocktail made with Early Times, so it tastes like getting drunk
# [05:18] <Waldo> bad mental associations are twisting my mind
# [05:18] <Waldo> or something
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# [06:27] <philor> rnewman: don't suppose I can blame you for that worker crash?
# [06:27] <@bz> "But whatb
# [06:27] <@bz> er...
# [06:27] <@bz> "But what's most impressive about B2G is how well it runs on low-end hardware. During our meeting with Gal and Eich, we got a demo of B2G running incredibly smoothly on a $60 handset with a 600Mhz CPU and just 128MB of RAM."
# [06:27] * @bz mutters about us all being spoiled
# [06:28] <derf> 5 years ago that was a $400 handset.
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# [06:29] <@bz> 15 years ago I had a desktop with a 66MHz CPU and when I upgraded it from 16MB to 64MB of RAM running the set { X, Emacs, Netscape } all at once got way more bearable...
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# [06:29] <@dolske> nthomas|away: fixed, thanks
# [06:29] <derf> Oh come on. 15 years ago I had a 266 MHz desktop with 256 MB of RAM.
# [06:29] <blizzard> I used to move data to RAM through 20 feet of snow
# [06:29] <blizzard> both reading and writing
# [06:29] <@bz> well
# [06:30] <blizzard> when I was a kid
# [06:30] <@bz> I didn't claim I had a top-of-the-line computer!
# [06:30] <@dolske> RAM? We only have ROM, and we liked it that way!
# [06:30] <@dolske> * had
# [06:30] <@bz> it was something Dad had lying around the he could let me have
# [06:30] <@bz> though I did use it for another 3 years or so
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# [06:30] <@bz> (with a hard drive upgrade in the middle, because the original machine had a 200MB hard drive)
# [06:30] <derf> Actually, technically 15 years ago I had a 90 MHz Pentium 1 with 64 MB of RAM.
# [06:31] <@bz> see?
# [06:31] <derf> I didn't get the Pentium 2 until August.
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# [06:31] <@bz> right
# [06:31] <@bz> that would make sense
# [06:31] <@bz> anyway
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# [06:31] <aja> spinning iron doughnets got rusty from alll that snow
# [06:31] <@dolske> It's all about the Pentiums.
# [06:32] <@bz> $60 is definitely less than I paid for my current feature phone 2-3 years ago
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# [06:33] <@khuey> dolske: you had ROM?
# [06:33] <@khuey> dolske: in my day you only had WOM!
# [06:33] <@bz> um
# [06:34] <@dolske> ROM = W0M. :)
# [06:34] <@bz> khuey: in your day, eh?
# [06:34] <derf> dolske: http://iq.appspot.com/q/6624/37
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# [06:34] <@khuey> bz: :-P
# [06:34] <@bz> khuey: and the WOM was actually called "Twitter", no?
# [06:34] <@khuey> ha
# [06:34] <derf> dolske: It's actually all about the pentimums.
# [06:34] <aja> abacas and sliderule
# [06:35] <@dolske> careful, those british chips are dodgy.
# [06:35] <@dolske> but good with some malt vinegar...
# [06:35] <@bz> heh
# [06:35] <derf> And some tape.
# [06:35] * @bz got a p3 when he replaced that 66MHz machine
# [06:35] <@bz> then I used that for like 6 years
# [06:35] <@bz> until I got a Core Duo laptop...
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# [06:36] <@bz> derf: odd, though, to be wanting a p3 in _2006_
# [06:36] <@dolske> there's something to be said for old hardware that you could learn the basics on, without megabytes of middleware to work though
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# [06:36] <derf> bz: Better than a P4!
# [06:36] <@dolske> shame that's gone, but I think replacing it will Arduinos and such. fun toys.
# [06:36] <@bz> derf: well, possibly
# [06:37] <@bz> derf: I think the top-clock P4s were in fact faster than my P3
# [06:37] <derf> Though technically that conversation took place January 15th, 2005.
# [06:37] <@bz> derf: but they also ran at at least 4x the clock speed
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# [06:37] <@bz> ah, ok
# [06:37] <@bz> that makes more sense
# [06:38] <@bz> Since the Core Duo went on the market in early 2006
# [06:38] <derf> Yes, I have a Core Duo laptop.
# [06:38] <@dolske> ah, yes, I used to have one of those
# [06:38] <derf> Still use it sometimes as a 32-bit test environment.
# [06:39] <@dolske> the crappy 1st gen Core Duos.
# [06:39] <aja> realy wuold like to forget my P3
# [06:39] <derf> I mean, it's booted and online right now.
# [06:39] <aja> bad karma
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# [06:39] <derf> Works fine as long as you don't want to turn on the screen.
# [06:39] <@bz> dolske: crappy compared to what? ;)
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# [06:39] <@bz> dolske: I did some tests on that Core Duo laptop when I got it
# [06:39] <aja> turned out the guy i bought it from was stealing em from the army
# [06:39] <@dolske> bz: the fast-followup Core 2 Duo? if I remember my naming
# [06:40] <@bz> dolske: on the code for my thesis, it ran about as fast as the P4 desktop I had
# [06:40] <aja> had to got to Trenton to testify in Fed court over it
# [06:40] <@bz> dolske: the P4 was 2x the clockspeed....
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# [06:40] <@bz> dolske: well, yes, compared to the core 2 duo they were crappy
# [06:40] <@dolske> something about it being dual core but a crappy bus, such that doing multiprocessing was painful
# [06:40] <derf> The Core Duo had a 64-bit datapath.
# [06:40] <derf> So SSE was actually much slower than MMX.
# [06:40] <@bz> dolske: oh, could be. I was definitely running single-threaded code, which had a tendency to also be somewhat memory-bound in cases
# [06:41] <derf> Because it took _more_ than twice as many clocks to do twice as much work.
# [06:41] <@dolske> ah, yes. Core Duo released Jan 06, Core 2 Duo released July 2006.
# [06:41] <derf> Since not only did it have to operate on both halves of the registers separately, it then had to shuffle data around between them.
# [06:41] <@bz> dolske: but the upshot was still that whole-system performance on the laptop was pretty darned good, compared
# [06:41] <rnewman> philor: I hope not
# [06:41] <@bz> mmmm
# [06:41] <derf> But that laptop had a _really_ nice screen, until it died.
# [06:41] <@dolske> hmh. "Desktop version not available" for Core Duo? pretty sure that's what my desktop was :(
# [06:42] <derf> 1600x1200 in 15".
# [06:42] <@bz> those 64-bit datapaths that ARM is working on growing? ;)
# [06:42] <derf> bz: You mean as they gimp the NEON stuff?
# [06:43] * @bz knows nothing about interactions with NEON
# [06:44] <derf> They made it slower in the A9 than it was in the A8.
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# [06:44] <derf> It used to have a 128-bit fast path to the L2 cache. That's gone.
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# [06:44] <derf> It also used to be able to execute some instructions partially in parallel. That's gone, too.
# [06:44] <@bz> oh, I was actually talking about the forthcoming arm11 stuff
# [06:44] <derf> And a bunch of the instructions are slower.
# [06:44] <@bz> the generic 64-bit datapaths
# [06:45] <derf> Yes, but I don't care about that side of the processor :).
# [06:45] <@bz> yeah, I know
# [06:45] * @bz sees they're also increasing pipeline length from 5 to 8
# [06:46] <@bz> So when you say A9...
# [06:46] <derf> I assume they're adding more OOE than the A9 had.
# [06:46] <ewong> anyone here familiar with toolkit? when building SeaMonkey w/ Lightning, on Linux, I'm getting this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1499503
# [06:46] <@bz> does that mean ARM9?
# [06:46] <@bz> or something else?
# [06:46] <derf> No, it means Cortex A9.
# [06:46] <@dolske> A9? Amazon what? :P
# [06:46] <derf> 2nd generation ARMv7.
# [06:46] <@bz> ok, I was wondering
# [06:46] * @bz loves ARM version numbering
# [06:46] <derf> It is super-awesome. And not confusing at all.
# [06:46] <@khuey> hmm
# [06:47] <@khuey> who broke timers?
# [06:47] <aja> leap day?
# [06:47] <@dolske> he preferrs to be called timothy.
# [06:47] <@khuey> don't think so
# [06:47] <@bz> Ah, ARM7 was 3-stage pipeline
# [06:47] <@bz> ARM9 5-stage
# [06:47] * @khuey wonders if somebody fiddles with xpcom timers recently
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# [06:48] <@bz> khuey: I've seen nothing go by.... why?
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# [06:48] <@khuey> bz: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9791043&tree=Mozilla-InboundRev3#error0
# [06:48] <@bz> hmm
# [06:48] <@bz> so....
# [06:48] <@bz> ARM9 is using a Harvard architecture
# [06:48] * @bz wonders how this affects JITs
# [06:49] <@bz> khuey: uh
# [06:49] <@bz> khuey: lemme look at that code
# [06:49] <@bz> 203 TimeDuration slack = aTimeout - aNow;
# [06:49] <@bz> is the crash line
# [06:49] * philor ponders who stuck that Rev3 in there
# [06:49] <@bz> fatal assert because one of those is a null timestamp, presumably
# [06:50] <@bz> 222 TimeDuration operator-(const TimeStamp& aOther) const {
# [06:50] <@bz> 223 MOZ_ASSERT(!IsNull(), "Cannot compute with a null value");
# [06:50] <@bz> So sounds like |this| is null
# [06:50] <@bz> Which in the caller would be aTimeout
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# [06:51] <@bz> but that's the mTimeout of the nsTimerImpl
# [06:51] <@bz> which better not be null!
# [06:51] <@khuey> hmm
# [06:52] <@khuey> why is the timer event running on the timer thread?
# [06:52] <@bz> it's what?
# [06:53] <@khuey> 1269 // This can fail if we're racing to terminate or cancel, should be handled
# [06:53] <@khuey> 1270 // by the terminate or cancel code.
# [06:53] <@khuey> 1271 mWorkerRunnable->Dispatch(nsnull);
# [06:53] <@khuey> 1272
# [06:53] <@khuey> 1273 // Run the runnable we're given now (should just call DummyCallback()),
# [06:53] <@khuey> 1274 // otherwise the timer thread will leak it...
# [06:53] <@khuey> 1275 return aRunnable->Run();
# [06:53] <@khuey> that seems screwy
# [06:53] <@bz> so wait
# [06:54] <@bz> we're calling Dispatch
# [06:55] <@bz> WTF is this code doing????
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# [06:55] <@khuey> excellent question!
# [06:56] <@bz> it's seriously running XPCOM timers directly on the timer thread?
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# [06:56] <@bz> how the hell did that happen?
# [06:56] <stuart> uh
# [06:56] <stuart> that sounds wrong
# [06:56] <@bz> Oh, because someone called SetTarget
# [06:56] <@bz> stuart: _sounds_?
# [06:56] <stuart> s/sounds/is/:)
# [06:56] <@bz> stuart: there we go
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# [06:57] <stuart> i really want to make a new timer api
# [06:57] <stuart> that only deals with C callbacks
# [06:57] <@khuey> I have no idea what this is trying to do, but I'm pretty sure jonas shouldn't have r+d it
# [06:57] <stuart> and hands back an int for timer id
# [06:57] <stuart> and has a cancel api
# [06:57] <stuart> and that is it
# [06:58] <stuart> could be built on existing api, but would cause people to be less dumb i think
# [06:58] <@bz> so what this code does
# [06:58] <@bz> is it schedules an XPCOM timer
# [06:58] <@bz> with a dummy callback
# [06:58] <@bz> empty function
# [06:58] <@bz> and a custom event target
# [06:58] <@bz> and actually does the work it wants to do when the DispatchEvent for the event target happens
# [06:59] <@bz> WorkerRunnable::Dispatch to be exact
# [06:59] <@bz> khuey: you run into bent at the office?
# [06:59] <stuart> he will on monday
# [07:00] <@dolske> I just _knew_ someone was going to say "bent". :)
# [07:00] <@bz> well
# [07:00] <@bz> he does have blame for this stuff!
# [07:00] <@khuey> bz: yeah I'll see him on monday
# [07:00] <@bz> khuey: can you please ask him what the hell this code is trying to do?
# [07:00] <@khuey> heh
# [07:00] <@khuey> sure
# [07:01] <stuart> maybe ill make a new api
# [07:01] <@bz> back to our failure, though...
# [07:01] <@dolske> he's hard to talk to, high as a kite and all... ;)
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# [07:01] <@bz> 375 void nsTimerImpl::Fire()
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# [07:01] <@bz> 382 TimeStamp now = TimeStamp::Now();
# [07:01] <@bz> 403 TimeStamp timeout = mTimeout;
# [07:01] <@bz> 404 if (IsRepeatingPrecisely()) {
# [07:01] <@bz> 405 // Precise repeating timers advance mTimeout by mDelay without fail before
# [07:01] <@bz> 406 // calling Fire().
# [07:01] <@bz> 407 timeout -= TimeDuration::FromMilliseconds(mDelay);
# [07:01] <@bz> 408 }
# [07:01] <@bz> Either timeout was non-null or we're not repeating precisely
# [07:01] <@bz> 409 if (gThread)
# [07:01] <@bz> 410 gThread->UpdateFilter(mDelay, timeout, now);
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# [07:02] <@bz> so really, this should not be an issue...
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# [07:02] <RyanVM> any idea why Try isn't working?
# [07:02] * @bz thinks
# [07:02] <@bz> oh, I see how it could happen
# [07:02] <@bz> in theory
# [07:03] <@bz> if someone takes a live timer
# [07:03] * @bz thinks
# [07:03] <@bz> khuey: this is a randomorange?
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# [07:03] <@khuey> yep
# [07:04] <@bz> khuey: so here's how this can happen
# [07:04] <@bz> khuey: nsTimerImpl::InitCommon resets mTimestamp to null
# [07:04] <philor> maybe - it hasn't not-happened yet since the first time it happened
# [07:04] <@bz> khuey: and then calls SetdelayInternal, which will set it to something useful
# [07:04] <@bz> khuey: with me so far?
# [07:04] <@bz> khuey: oh, and it calls RemoveTimer on gThread _before_ any of this
# [07:05] <@khuey> ok
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# [07:06] <@bz> so say the "main" (worker in this case) thread calls InitCommon
# [07:06] <@bz> on a timer
# [07:06] <@bz> while the TimerThread is in the middle of posting a runnable for that timer to its event target
# [07:06] <@bz> so that the RemoveTimer call does nothing
# [07:06] <@bz> because there's nothing to remove anymore; it's already started firing
# [07:07] <@bz> and we interleave
# [07:07] <ferongr> under which component do I file a bug that has to do with CSS performance (i.e. about:jank shows c-CSS::ProcessRestyles after just mousing over an area)
# [07:07] <@bz> so we enter PostTimerEvent
# [07:07] <Waldo> anyone remember the last merge date?
# [07:07] <@bz> then the main thread gets to reset our mTimestamp but not call SetDelayInternal
# [07:07] <@bz> then the timer thread does the stack you linked to
# [07:08] <@khuey> mmm
# [07:08] <@bz> if nsTimerEvent::Run were on the same thread as the caller of InitCommon, this couldn't happen
# [07:08] <@bz> but someone is running it on some other thread here....
# [07:08] <@khuey> right
# [07:08] <@bz> anywy
# [07:08] <@bz> that's my guess
# [07:08] <@khuey> so this is worker code being broken
# [07:09] <@bz> imho, yes
# [07:09] <@dolske> ferongr: probably Core::StyleSystem, unless bz has a spare core to look at it here. ;-)
# [07:09] <@bz> but now that we're here...
# [07:09] <@bz> can someone explain to me how UpdateFilter is possibly safe?
# [07:09] <ferongr> sure
# [07:09] <@bz> if xpcom timers are being used on multiple threads?
# [07:09] * @khuey looks at it
# [07:09] <@bz> ferongr: got a link?
# [07:09] * @dolske smells a trick question! :)
# [07:10] * @bz thinks we _really_ need to fix this filter thing
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# [07:10] <@bz> esp. if it can be all racy
# [07:10] <ferongr> it's typically github. go to https://github.com/MayhemYDG/4chan-x/blob/master/4chan_x.user.js and mouse over the source
# [07:10] <@bz> ah
# [07:10] <@bz> yes, that's not unexpected
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# [07:10] <@khuey> bz: becasue it runs on the timer thread?
# [07:11] <@bz> khuey: it does?
# [07:11] <stuart> bz: can we just make the timer API be http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1499913
# [07:11] <@khuey> er
# [07:11] <@khuey> no
# [07:11] <@khuey> ok
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# [07:11] <@khuey> it runs on all threads but the timer thread
# [07:11] <@bz> ferongr: want to try a test build that might help?
# [07:11] <ferongr> a related bug was fixed about the same issue some time ago and performance improved but it regressed again.
# [07:11] <@bz> khuey: right, modulo workers
# [07:11] <ferongr> sure
# [07:11] <@bz> ferongr: er.. when did it regress
# [07:11] <@khuey> bz: right
# [07:11] <ferongr> github did a minor redesing
# [07:12] <@bz> ferongr: oh, ok
# [07:12] <@bz> ferongr: which OS are you on?
# [07:12] <@khuey> bz: honestly, I have no idea
# [07:12] <ferongr> XP without acceleration, but even with layers accel it's the same
# [07:12] <@khuey> bz: maybe whoever wrote this assumed that timers were only being used on the main thread?
# [07:12] <@bz> ferongr: accel won't matter
# [07:12] <ferongr> eh
# [07:12] <@bz> khuey: brendan wrote this
# [07:12] <@khuey> heh
# [07:13] <@bz> ferongr: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/bzbarsky@mozilla.com-56d56a5d8b2a/try-win32/
# [07:13] <@khuey> doesn't mean it isn't broken!
# [07:13] <stuart> the filter stuff?
# [07:13] <@bz> yes
# [07:13] <stuart> have we tried just reomving it lately?
# [07:13] <@bz> at least iirc brendan was involved
# [07:13] <@bz> I have
# [07:13] <@bz> several times
# [07:13] <stuart> yeah brendan did the filtering, i did the rest
# [07:13] <stuart> well, i did the rest then we added the filtering to get more similar behavior to the OSes
# [07:13] <@bz> khuey: it's _very_ broken
# [07:13] <@bz> ferongr: I can explain why it happens if you want
# [07:13] * @khuey sees 590422
# [07:13] <stuart> i wish i hadn't made timers be xpcom objects
# [07:14] <stuart> but was changing the existing api
# [07:14] <@bz> khuey: verily
# [07:14] <stuart> :/
# [07:14] <stuart> bz: what happens if you remove it?
# [07:14] <ferongr> go ahead :)
# [07:14] <@bz> stuart: timers can't be reliably set for less than 16ms on Windows and we get 40% perf regressions on dumb tests
# [07:14] <@bz> stuart: right now we manage by setting a "5ms" timer for 0 twice and then 16ms once
# [07:15] <@bz> stuart: basically
# [07:15] <@bz> stuart: yes, this is moronic
# [07:15] <stuart> ah
# [07:15] <@dolske> "<stuart> have we tried just reomving it lately?" haha. that's fixed so many problems. :D
# [07:15] * stuart shrugs
# [07:15] <@bz> ferongr: so the CSS on github has this gem:
# [07:15] <@bz> ferongr: tr:hover .line-comments{background:#fafafa!important;}
# [07:15] * stuart doesn't write much code anymore :/
# [07:16] <@bz> dolske: removing it is the right thing, modulo the Windows insanity
# [07:16] <@bz> dolske: it's pure win elsewhere, imo
# [07:16] <@bz> ferongr: and all the code is inside a table
# [07:16] <@bz> ferongr: so when you mouse in or out, that rule starts applying or not applying respectively
# [07:16] <@bz> ferongr: with me so far?
# [07:16] <ferongr> yeah
# [07:17] <@bz> ferongr: ok, well that rule says that whatever descendants of the tr that changed hover state match .line-comments needs restyling
# [07:17] <@bz> ferongr: we don't have a good way to do that, so we restyle the tr and all its descendants
# [07:17] <stuart> i originally wrote the timer code because i needed them for the multi-threaded image decoding stuff i was testing
# [07:17] <@bz> ferongr: basically recompute style on all the code listing
# [07:17] <@khuey> bz: it looks like this has been broken since it was checked in in 2002
# [07:18] <@bz> khuey: yep, seems probably
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# [07:18] <@bz> khuey: I'll mail brendan
# [07:18] <@bz> khuey: just in case
# [07:18] <stuart> i doubt brendan knows or cares anymore about that code heh
# [07:18] <@bz> khuey: but I think this is just broken
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# [07:18] <@bz> he cares
# [07:18] <@bz> unfortunately, perhaps
# [07:18] <stuart> heh
# [07:18] <ferongr> maybe somebody should reach to github and inform them then...
# [07:18] * @khuey notes that stuart reviewed here ;-)
# [07:19] <@bz> ferongr: and then there's the fact that they have tons of slow selectors
# [07:19] <stuart> i'm all for removing it
# [07:19] <@bz> ferongr: so the reresolve takes a while
# [07:19] <@bz> ferongr: you should try the build I linked to
# [07:19] <stuart> i don't even remember exactly why we added it
# [07:19] <@bz> ferongr: I bet it helps
# [07:19] <stuart> i think because of windows
# [07:19] <@bz> stuart: see above!
# [07:19] <stuart> bz: yeah, i think that is roughly why we added it originally
# [07:19] <@bz> what we _really_ need is a good timer impl
# [07:20] <@bz> on Windows
# [07:20] <@bz> people keep talking about it...
# [07:20] <stuart> are there better apis now?
# [07:20] <@bz> it's a hard problem, which is funny
# [07:20] <@bz> maybe
# [07:20] <@khuey> bz: jst said johns is going to pick it up
# [07:20] <@bz> khuey: good
# [07:20] <ferongr> it's downloading (slowly), will update you with further impressions
# [07:20] <@bz> ferongr: ok, thanks
# [07:20] <@khuey> bz: we're halfway there, we've got the timestamp resolution, just have to fix the timer thread
# [07:20] <@bz> ferongr: how slowly is slowly? ETA in a few mins, or 10+ mins?
# [07:21] <ferongr> 4 minutes to download
# [07:21] <ferongr> another 2 to confirm?
# [07:21] <@bz> khuey: the thing is that fixing the timer thread means switching on the high-res thing
# [07:21] <@bz> ferongr: sounds good, thanks
# [07:21] <@dolske> "Apple's App Store today reached 25 billion downloads"
# [07:21] <@dolske> it's good to be the kind.
# [07:21] <@dolske> king, even.
# [07:21] <@bz> stuart: the "better api" is changing the OS context switch frequency
# [07:21] <@bz> stuart: apparently
# [07:21] <stuart> ah
# [07:22] <stuart> i could see that
# [07:22] <@bz> stuart: it's what things like media players and games do
# [07:22] <@khuey> yeah, windows is just totally broken here
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# [07:22] <ferongr> bz: also, does the line count on the left on the source start at around the 20th line or so for you too?
# [07:22] <stuart> given we're basically a media player and game, makes sense to me
# [07:22] <@bz> stuart: so when you run WMP, our timers get more accurate
# [07:22] <@dolske> ~4 apps for everyone on the planet! get your today!
# [07:22] <stuart> bz: can we not just flip that on?
# [07:22] <@bz> stuart: drawback is more context switch overhead and battery life suck
# [07:22] <@bz> stuart: I don't know
# [07:22] <stuart> or do it dynamically
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# [07:22] <stuart> we do need to be more power aware
# [07:22] <@bz> stuart: I do know that IE9 has different timer resolution on battery and on line power
# [07:23] <@bz> stuart: presumably precisely because of this
# [07:23] <stuart> yeah
# [07:23] <@bz> stuart: at least as measured by setTimeout
# [07:23] <stuart> feels straight forward
# [07:23] <@bz> well
# [07:23] <@bz> it's one of those deals where someone who knows winapi should do it
# [07:23] <stuart> yeah
# [07:23] <@bz> unless someone wants to learn
# [07:23] <@bz> comparative advantage and all
# [07:23] <stuart> learning that much is probably not hard
# [07:24] <@bz> could be
# [07:24] <stuart> a day or two
# [07:24] <@khuey> it's easy to do
# [07:24] <@bz> plus setting up the Windows dev box... ;)
# [07:24] <stuart> make it so kyle
# [07:24] <@khuey> the hard part is tweaking it and testing it
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# [07:24] <stuart> eh just check it in
# [07:24] <stuart> like we did back in 2002
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# [07:24] <@khuey> stuart: I have plenty of other work
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# [07:24] <stuart> see what happens!
# [07:24] <derf> What could go wrong?
# [07:24] <stuart> exactly!
# [07:25] <@khuey> something else that's awesome on windows
# [07:25] <@khuey> the system timer frequency is global
# [07:25] <@khuey> so if you change it, you affect other programs
# [07:25] <@khuey> and if you forget to change it back (or crash) the system gets stuck in the new resolution until the next program comes along
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# [07:25] <@bz> see, the forget to change it back makes sense
# [07:26] <@khuey> the whole thing is pretty entertaining
# [07:26] <@bz> as long as your app is running
# [07:26] <@bz> but the crash is insane
# [07:26] <derf> Well, you might have been changing it for some other process.
# [07:26] <@bz> mmmm
# [07:26] <@bz> I suppose
# [07:26] <derf> It doesn't know that process wasn't supposed to be the one to set it back.
# [07:26] <derf> Because it's global!
# [07:26] * @bz would have done a per-process count
# [07:26] <@bz> and reset when it goes to zero
# [07:27] <ferongr> bz: confirmed. whatever magic you did, almost no jank :)
# [07:27] <derf> Yes, well. You probably would have done something else entirely. Perhaps something sane.
# [07:27] <@bz> ferongr: I stole some webkit code
# [07:27] <ferongr> only very slight quarter-second pauses
# [07:27] <@bz> ferongr: now I just need reviews... ;)
# [07:27] <@bz> ferongr: hrm
# [07:27] <@bz> ferongr: even that's not great
# [07:27] <@bz> ferongr: you're just mousing in and out?
# [07:27] <ferongr> I'm on a junk singlecore sempron 3100+
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# [07:28] <@bz> ok
# [07:28] <ferongr> well, and a bit of scrolling to see if I'm actually janking
# [07:28] <@bz> https://github.com/MayhemYDG/4chan-x/blob/master/4chan_x.user.js, right?
# [07:28] <ferongr> yeah
# [07:28] * @bz will do a bit more profiling
# [07:28] <@dolske> maybe we can steal robarnold again, I hear he's not-busy at facebook not-shipping things. :P
# [07:28] * @khuey calls it a night
# [07:28] <@bz> and yeah
# [07:28] * @bz has to be up in 4.5 hours
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# [07:28] <@bz> g'night!
# [07:28] * bz is now known as bz_sleep
# [07:29] <ferongr> pauses are like once every 5-6 seconds while mousing in a circle over the source and scrolling up and down by one notch
# [07:29] <ferongr> for a quarter of a second
# [07:29] <@bz_sleep> ferongr: hmm
# [07:29] <@bz_sleep> ferongr: not mousing in/out of the window?
# [07:29] <ferongr> oh, forgot to maximize
# [07:30] <ferongr> I definitely have 1-2 second pauses mousing in and out of the source area and to the backgorund
# [07:30] <ferongr> it better though
# [07:30] <@bz_sleep> ok
# [07:30] <@bz_sleep> better is good
# [07:30] <@bz_sleep> 1-2 second pauses is bad
# [07:30] * @bz_sleep will look
# [07:30] <ferongr> shall I file the bug?
# [07:31] <ferongr> and link it? it's almost ready to file
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# [07:31] <@bz_sleep> please
# [07:31] <@bz_sleep> cc me on the bug?
# [07:31] <ferongr> bzbarsky@???
# [07:31] <@bz_sleep> ":bz" will work
# [07:31] <ferongr> oh
# [07:32] <@bz_sleep> but in general at mit.edu
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# [07:32] <ferongr> done
# [07:32] <@bz_sleep> yeah
# [07:32] <@bz_sleep> this is still pretty chunky even with that patch
# [07:32] <@bz_sleep> thanks
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# [07:37] <philor> tn: ping
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# [07:37] <tn> philor, pong
# [07:38] <philor> tn: could you repush your try push? scheduler was hosed, so you didn't get anything, but should now (and my vague memory says that a qref -e to add CLOSED TREE) will be different enough that it won't ignore a repush)
# [07:40] <tn> philor, ah, wonderful, i was just looking for someone to bug about no new builds starting
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# [07:46] <philor> builds running, that's a nice sign
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# [07:49] <philor> jduell: try is sorry, but it's going to ignore your push, but if you push again it promises to be nicer to you
# [07:50] <tn> thanks philor
# [07:50] <jduell> philor: momma told me, if at first I don't succeed...
# [07:50] <philor> np
# [07:50] <philor> indeed
# [07:50] <Waldo> shouldn't you try try first rather than not succeeding?
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# [07:51] <philor> well, there's just a blank after his first try, so that's pretty much try try
# [07:52] <jduell> Waldo: Trying try first is equivalent to not succeeding in the plurality of cases!
# [07:52] * jduell finds this conversation trying
# [07:52] <Waldo> jduell: real men don't try first, or something?
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# [07:58] <darktrojan> do, or do not
# [08:01] <@dolske> Waldo: don't get testy.
# [08:02] * jduell has send his code off to another trial by try...
# [08:03] * Waldo finishes fixing a bug that's currently undergoing trial by aurora :-\
# [08:04] <jduell> Waldo: I hope it's aurora-ing success!
# [08:04] <Waldo> jduell: not really, but I hope to make it beta soon
# [08:04] <kwierso> you should all feel physically bad for this conversation
# [08:04] <kwierso> I know I do
# [08:05] <jduell> Waldo: did you know that alpha stands for "not working"? Beta stands for "still not working"...
# [08:05] <Waldo> kwierso: you must be new here
# [08:05] <jduell> kwierso: show every night at 10:30, don't miss it!
# [08:05] * darktrojan wonders when we're opening a gamma channel
# [08:05] <darktrojan> probably somewhere in the imagelib
# [08:06] <Waldo> that's right, yuv got it!
# [08:06] <darktrojan> heh
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# [08:12] * @dolske sends Waldo back to the Lab.
# [08:13] <Waldo> I cie what you did there
# [08:13] <@dolske> stop being such a schcmyk
# [08:13] <@dolske> icc what you did there too!
# [08:14] <@dolske> I have a large palette to draw from, you won't make the median cut!
# [08:14] <@dolske> even if you stop your dithering about
# [08:14] <Waldo> is this a prolog to a segue into programming language jokes?
# [08:15] <@dolske> we should posterize this discussion.
# [08:15] <darktrojan> by contrast, I think we should brighten it
# [08:15] <@dolske> god gamut! I'm done with you all.
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# [10:41] <Ms2ger> !summon gavin
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# [10:47] <nigelb> does that work on gavin?
# [10:50] <Ms2ger> Apparently not
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# [10:52] <aja> re 3.6.28 blocker?
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# [10:57] <Ms2ger> Re spammer
# [10:57] <nigelb> Ms2ger: we were talking about that in #it
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# [12:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fd92f3c7ad11 - ffxbld - Automated blocklist update from host linux-ix-slave38
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# [13:06] <Unfocused> NeilAway: as in close it? little X button at the top right (er, or left... think it depends on the OS)
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# [13:09] <WG9s> NeilAway: if you mean on Android, Preferences, feedback tools.
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# [13:34] <edmorley> Ms2ger: good afternoon :-)
# [13:35] <Ms2ger> Good day, dear
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# [13:58] <NeilAway> Unfocused: hmm, well then the menuitem shouldn't be a checkbox if it doesn't actually toggle it :s
# [13:58] <NeilAway> !seen smaug
# [13:58] <firebot> smaug was last seen 1 day, 14 hours, 47 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying 'jlebar: do we call JS_updateMallocCounter in image code?' in #developers.
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# [14:00] <Unfocused> NeilAway: file a bug :P
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# [14:12] <Ms2ger> 1986 if (!selection)
# [14:12] <Ms2ger> 1987 {
# [14:12] <Ms2ger> 1988 NS_ENSURE_TRUE(selection, NS_ERROR_NULL_POINTER);
# [14:12] <Ms2ger> 1989 }
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# [14:12] <Ms2ger> Daily editor jibe: check
# [14:13] <edmorley> Ms2ger++
# [14:13] * NeilAway thought that was a 24-year-old jibe for a second ;-)
# [14:14] <Ms2ger> Why's that?
# [14:15] <NeilAway> !eval (new Date()).getFullYear() - 1988
# [14:15] <edmorley> 1988
# [14:15] <edmorley> or that
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# [15:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5458ba880b4f - Serge Gautherie - Bug 732615. (Av1a-TK) Move browser_checkAddonCompatibility.js test from SeaMonkey to Toolkit. r=bmcbride.
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# [16:01] <Ms2ger> /*
# [16:01] <Ms2ger> * CompressedTexSubImage2D takes:
# [16:01] <Ms2ger> * CompressedTexSubImage2D(uint, int, int, int, int, int, uint, ArrayBufferView)
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# [16:01] <Ms2ger> (8 arguments)
# [16:01] <Ms2ger> if (argc != 7)
# [16:01] <Ms2ger> return xpc_qsThrow(cx, NS_ERROR_XPC_NOT_ENOUGH_ARGS);
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# [16:39] <bbondy> A few pushes to try last night were not picked up, but I see some pushes after that where results are being reported to tbpl. Should I re-do my push?
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# [16:39] <bbondy> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=2ae2cc94fb88
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# [16:40] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [16:40] <Ms2ger> Scheduler was down, apparently
# [16:41] <bbondy> k thx
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# [17:07] <Ms2ger> firebot, bug 732701?
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# [17:08] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=732701 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, I need a calendar because i'm late for everything
# [17:08] <Ms2ger> ehsan, why don't nsEditorUtils::IsDescendantOf and nsContentUtils::ContentIsDescendantOf do the same?
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# [17:20] <Ms2ger> Hi sicking :)
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# [17:21] <ehoogeveen> oh nice, that mochitest crash I was getting last night was fixed in a follow-up
# [17:22] <ehoogeveen> I debugged it to the point where I knew what was going wrong - but I didn't really have any idea how to fix it properly, so this works out for me :P
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# [17:28] <jbuck> Ms2ger: haha, I just ran into that last night actually...
# [17:29] <jbuck> I'm actually implementing them now
# [17:29] <Ms2ger> Hmm?
# [17:29] <jbuck> the number of args mismatch on compressedTexSubImage2D
# [17:29] <Ms2ger> Ah
# [17:29] <Ms2ger> I filed bug 732704 for it
# [17:30] <jbuck> if you want, you can leave compressedTexImage2D/compressTexSubImage2D alone, I'm removing those quickstubs as part of 728017
# [17:30] <jbuck> ahh, you just changed the number of args
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# [17:31] <Ms2ger> Yeah, but I also have a patch in my queue to get rid of the custom qs :)
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# [17:32] <jbuck> oh nice
# [17:33] <Ms2ger> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1500453
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# [17:56] <Ms2ger> Hi bjacob :)
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# [17:57] <bjacob> Ms2ger: hi , got your email, will look later today
# [17:58] <Ms2ger> Thanks, and I hope you'll enjoy your bugmail :)
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# [18:28] <blizzard> dolske: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/421914_271417592932290_126894987384552_624464_2054262184_n.jpg
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# [18:40] <NeilAway> Ms2ger--
# [18:40] <Ms2ger> mounir--
# [18:41] <NeilAway> in fact, while I'm about it
# [18:41] <NeilAway> for (;;)
# [18:41] <NeilAway> Ms2ger--;
# [18:41] <NeilAway> no {}s :-P
# [18:41] <Ms2ger> r-
# [18:42] * NeilAway wasn't planning on asking Ms2ger for review
# [18:42] <Ms2ger> Oh, I don't mind drive-by r-s
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# [18:46] <Ms2ger> Mossop--
# [18:46] <Ms2ger> jorgev--
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# [18:46] <@smaug> Ms2ger is negative today
# [18:47] <Ms2ger> Nah, it's just that the addon thread got so deep thunderbird trims the subjects to "R..."
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# [18:48] <NeilAway> smaug!
# [18:49] <NeilAway> smaug: so, you changed focus and blur events to fire on xbl binding parents too?
# [18:49] <@smaug> did I?
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# [18:49] <@smaug> well, events do propagate to bindingparents
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# [18:49] <@smaug> I did that change long ago
# [18:50] <NeilAway> smaug: well, they didn't bubble at all originally, but tracing through the event code, I see they bubble, but only get dispatched at the target or when the event gets retargetted
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# [19:12] <NeilAway> long ago indeed, seems to be cvs
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# [19:15] <NeilAway> bah, and I even commented on the bug at the time, and nobody answered :-(
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# [19:19] <nigelb> NeilAway: lol.
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# [19:34] <zwol> question: from C++ inside libxul, is there a good way to ask the question 'has an event loop spun since the last time I was called'?
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# [19:37] <zwol> good morning, smaug
# [19:37] <Ms2ger> mike5w3c, yt?
# [19:37] <Ms2ger> zwol, doubt it
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# [19:37] <Ms2ger> What's your use case? :)
# [19:37] <@smaug> morning?
# [19:38] <Ms2ger> smaug, it's before midnight, surely it's morning for you ;)
# [19:38] <zwol> Ms2ger: er, are you doubting that it's morning, that it's good, that smaug is here, or that it's possible to do what I want?
# [19:38] <Ms2ger> zwol, well, the first too, but I meant the last
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# [19:39] <@smaug> Ms2ger: heh :)
# [19:39] <zwol> Ms2ger: my use case is I have some data in a C++ object that is expensive to compute, retrieved piecemeal from JS, and will become invalid no earlier than the next time the event loop runs.
# [19:40] <Ms2ger> zwol, hmm, sounds like above my pay grade, I'm afraid :)
# [19:40] <zwol> there's no convenient way to know for sure when it becomes invalid, but it's not used very often, so "cache this until the next time the event loop runs" seems like a good tradeoff between work and benefit
# [19:40] <Ms2ger> In that I'd like to be actually paid before I think about event loops :)
# [19:40] <zwol> that's fair
# [19:41] <zwol> smaug: you seem like you might know how to do that ^^
# [19:41] <Ms2ger> If you end up with bz, he's away on Monday ;)
# [19:41] <zwol> I have to work on other stuff on Mondays anyway :)
# [19:42] <@smaug> zwol: you could perhaps add a callback which gets called after processing runnables
# [19:42] <@smaug> but I'm not sure that is what you want
# [19:42] <zwol> adding a hook is way too much effort here
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# [19:43] <zwol> further detail: this is the implementation of window.screen, which has a bunch of JS properties like .height, .width, .top, .left that are frequently used together
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# [19:43] <@smaug> hmm
# [19:44] <zwol> the size and shape of the screen changes rarely, but at present we are not notified when that happens, and I don't want to add that notification because it would be a lot of mucking in ancient OS-specific code
# [19:44] <@smaug> right
# [19:44] <zwol> oh! i don't *have* to add a hook, it's already there, is what you're saying
# [19:45] <@smaug> yes
# [19:45] <@smaug> but it might not work perfectly in all the cases
# [19:45] <zwol> anyway, the OS-level APIs for this stuff (widget/nsIScreen) are in terms of rectangles. so i want to cache the rectangle for at least a little while.
# [19:46] <zwol> so we don't have to ask the OS for the rectangle twice if someone wants both .width and .height in JS.
# [19:47] <@smaug> we could also add some event loop counter
# [19:47] <zwol> of course we have no caching whatsoever of this right now, and nobody's noticed, so maybe it's fine as is :)
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# [19:48] <@smaug> zwol: does that show up in some performance profile ?
# [19:48] <zwol> not that i have
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# [20:23] <NeilAway> smaug: so, I was disappointed not to get a reply to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334216#c32 :s
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# [20:27] <@smaug> NeilAway: so non-bubbling events should bubble to the binding parent
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# [20:28] <@smaug> interesting, that bug might be the first one I fixed after joining Mozilla
# [20:29] <NeilAway> smaug: right, but they didn't before, and we (still) have a workaround for that which could conflict with your changes :-(
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# [20:31] <@smaug> NeilAway: where do we have a workaround?
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# [20:39] <johanc> any experts on nsILocalFile and setComplexValue present? :)
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# [20:49] <NeilAway> smaug: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/search?string=xbl%3Ainherits&find=%5C.xml&findi=%5C.xml&filter=onfocus%2Conblur
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# [20:49] <NeilAway> johanc: in what way?
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# [20:50] <johanc> NeilAway: I need to store several files, is it possible?
# [20:50] <NeilAway> johanc: not in a single pref, no
# [20:51] <johanc> doh
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# [20:53] <johanc> NeilAway: what is the best way to store several nsILocalFile?
# [20:53] <NeilAway> johanc: several prefs?
# [20:53] <johanc> of storing*
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# [20:54] <johanc> NeilAway: right, sorry
# [20:54] <johanc> NeilAway: I'm saving recently opened files in scratchpad
# [20:54] <NeilAway> johanc: multiple prefs sounds like the way to go
# [20:54] <johanc> NeilAway: alright, thank you :)
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# [20:59] <Ms2ger> mounir--
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# [21:26] <Ms2ger> Mook, sure, bz_sleep has read all the code
# [21:26] <Mook> even all of /browser ? (though he probably is the closest...)
# [21:26] <Ms2ger> Do not doubt, young man :)
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# [22:09] <cers> who controls the mozhacks twitter account?
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# [22:16] <Ms2ger> What did they do now?
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# [22:17] <Daeken> err, the last two tweets on #mozhacks are completely and utterly random
# [22:17] <Daeken> that's weird...
# [22:17] <Ms2ger> padenot|away?
# [22:17] <Ms2ger> blizzard?
# [22:23] <cers> yeah, that's what I thought...
# [22:23] <cers> assumed someone ment to tweet that from their own account...
# [22:23] <dria> might be paul?
# [22:24] <Daeken> cers: that's what i was thinking. done that myself in the past haha
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# [22:24] <dria> heh
# [22:24] * @khuey needs to switch businesses
# [22:25] <@khuey> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/03/02/state/n212846S29.DTL
# [22:25] <Ms2ger> khuey, you know about docs for bisecting?
# [22:25] <@dolske> Daeken: heh, I was just wandering over here to note the same thing.
# [22:25] <Jesse> one nice thing about grouptweet/birdherd is that tweeting from the group account is explicit
# [22:26] <Jesse> unfortunately they don't support retweets afaict
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# [22:26] <derf> khuey: The lesson to me is stay the gekk away from iPads.
# [22:26] <Ms2ger> derf, because otherwise we'd find your meth?
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# [22:26] <derf> Exactly.
# [22:26] <@khuey> derf: 31 million dollars of meth: ok, stolen ipads: you're going down?
# [22:26] <derf> No, wait...
# [22:27] <@khuey> Ms2ger: docs?
# [22:27] <@khuey> Ms2ger: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/BisectExtension ...
# [22:28] <Ms2ger> Ta
# [22:28] <@dolske> huh. "750 pounds". that's a lot of meth.
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# [22:29] <@khuey> dolske: enough to take out several trailer parks
# [22:29] <@dolske> related: http://heterodoxy.cc/meowdocs/pseudo/pseudosynth.pdf
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# [22:30] <Ms2ger> O. Hai?
# [22:30] <reuben> he could have bought a thousand iPads with the money from the meth…
# [22:30] <dria> they were probably going to turn it into sudafed for profit. zany kids.
# [22:31] <Jesse> dolske: lol
# [22:31] <dria> aw dammit, dolske totally already made that joke
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# [22:32] <Ms2ger> http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0aankqJSl1rqvy12o1_400.jpg < sicking just joined?
# [22:32] <@dolske> i knew i should have just gone with "i fucking love cocaine" bear.
# [22:32] <Jesse> "Other side effects may include violent urges or, similarly, the urge to be successful in business or finance."
# [22:33] <@dolske> hello pdf.js spacing.
# [22:33] <Jesse> yep!
# [22:33] * Jesse wonders if there's a bug on that
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# [22:33] <@dolske> the addon doesn't seem to update for me, last couple issues I noted were apparently already fixed.
# [22:34] <Jesse> hmm
# [22:34] <Jesse> doesn't auto update at all, or doesn't auto update to trunk/nightly versions of the addon?
# [22:34] <@dolske> oh, they just haven't been pushing updates to AMO I guess.
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# [22:42] <zwol> note to self: do not change nsIPresShell.h.
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# [22:43] <Ms2ger> Change domstubs.idl instead
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# [22:45] <philor> ooh, bonus! not only does nobody ever look at the Win64 tests we only run on m-c, but we don't actually run *any* tests on the Win64 nightlies we ship to half our Windows nightly testers, since neither Win64 PGO nor Win64 nightlies trigger tests
# [22:46] <cers> lol
# [22:46] <philor> built 343ec916dfd5 Win64-PGO five times counting the nightly, and probably chances are fairly good that it maybe starts up, since probably the startups during the build would have maybe failed otherwise, most likely
# [22:46] <RyanVM> philor: what's the story with 10.7 tests? Seems odd that we're not running half of them (rather, ignoring the results from half of them due to perma-fail) an a supported OS
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# [22:47] <philor> RyanVM: rumor has it that back in October when they first started running, someone told jhford not to file separate bugs on all of the permaoranges because OMG THERE'S A SQUIRREL IN MY BACK YARD
# [22:48] <RyanVM> lol wut?
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# [22:48] <philor> so the odds are fairly good that josh doesn't even know that we leak several BrowserNPObjects in every suite that loads a plugin
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# [22:49] <philor> or maybe he does, and he was the one who said not to file, dunno
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# [22:52] <Ms2ger> padenot!
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# [22:54] <Ms2ger> Or no padenot, apparently
# [22:54] <philor> mmm, it's not quite all plugin leaks and plugin crashes, sync has some xpcshell permaorange
# [22:55] <philor> unless that's plugin sync
# [22:55] <Ms2ger> Heh, jetpack
# [22:56] <philor> hey, it's mostly orange instead of red!
# [22:57] <Ms2ger> What's wrong with it?
# [22:57] <philor> I have the feeling I filed on the way an m-c run that has zero failures is orange when the same jetpack rev and the same m-c rev tested on the jetpack tree is green
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# [22:58] <kwierso> I heard my name
# [22:59] <Ms2ger> Heh, http://www.barackobama.com/ has an ASCII-art logo in the source
# [23:00] <Ms2ger> All in red, because of consecutive hyphens
# [23:00] <philor> or maybe I just commented, that'll make it harder to find
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# [23:00] <Ms2ger> Either Hixie's fault, or Obama is a socialist
# [23:01] <Ms2ger> philor, hmm, ignoring jetpack, noignore doesn't even look *that* terrible
# [23:01] <RyanVM> btw, WTH is peptest and why does Try feel the need to run it whenever I do an m-c matching run
# [23:02] <Ms2ger> A new ateam thing
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# [23:04] <mounir> Ms2ger: I see you like to removing my karma :'(
# [23:04] <Ms2ger> Blame NeilAway
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# [23:05] <Ms2ger> Bah
# [23:06] <Ms2ger> So I'm trying to figure out why this test failure causes orange on win64, even though the fails-if() should match win64
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# [23:06] <Ms2ger> It's an unexpected PASS #!1&
# [23:07] <philor> yeah, those need to be in red, and <blink>
# [23:08] <Ms2ger> blink wouldn't help you, Chrome doesn't support it ;)
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# [23:10] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?noignore=1&tree=Jetpack seems a little... light
# [23:10] <Ms2ger> Wow
# [23:10] <Ms2ger> 33% orange
# [23:10] <philor> a few jobs short of full employment
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# [23:12] <kwierso> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?usetinderbox=1&tree=Jetpack
# [23:13] <philor> ayuh
# [23:13] <Ms2ger> That's even more ridiculous
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# [23:13] <philor> so, everything's orange on the Firefox tree because it parses for /^Traceback/ and calls that an error
# [23:13] <Ms2ger> Oh, the webs we weave...
# [23:14] <Ms2ger> Now if only we'd retry when we find abort: error:
# [23:15] <philor> bug 669768, though I think that's only one of the places I said "ffs, the two trees don't look for the same things to call them errors!"
# [23:16] <Ms2ger> Isn't it weird how this house of cards even lets us get work done most of the time?
# [23:17] <philor> kwierso: and the right thing to do would be to have the jetpack tree call those test failures, right?
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# [23:19] <Ms2ger> I love how Asa gives a dozen reasons against win64, and some guy replies "I really don't see the point in discriminating against 64-bit Firefox on Windows in this fashion unless the plan is to eliminate 64-Bit support across all platforms."
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# [23:20] <Octayn> sicking: ping!
# [23:20] <Ms2ger> sicking!
# [23:20] <Ms2ger> sicking, http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0aankqJSl1rqvy12o1_400.jpg
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# [23:20] <sicking> Ms2ger: ha!
# [23:21] <Ms2ger> (Yes, I'm rather enjoying http://webkitmemes.tumblr.com/ )
# [23:21] <philor> goodness gracious me, the ones run on m-c don't even try to look for pass/fail counts, they only look for ^Traceback
# [23:22] <Ms2ger> http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m06ynz6TCR1rqvy12o1_500.jpg < if anybody was looking for pictures of me...
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# [23:29] <mounir> NeilAway: I guess I've no karma, so I will not mind that much ;)
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# [23:34] <Ms2ger> Octayn, sicking is all yours, if you can catch his attention :)
# [23:34] <sicking> Octayn: pong
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# [23:35] <Octayn> sicking: khuey told me to ask you about what was happening with FileSaver / filesystem api. There was a bug saying that other things were being considered but I couldn't dig up any info
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# [23:35] <sicking> I think we should implement FileSaver as it is in spec
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# [23:36] <Octayn> "as it is in spec" as in, because it is specced, or as it is specced
# [23:36] <sicking> the latter
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# [23:36] <Octayn> (damn english!)
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# [23:37] <sicking> We already have most of FileSystem's feature set by supporting Blobs/Files in indexedDB
# [23:37] <Ms2ger> I'd have to get sicking fired if it was the former ;)
# [23:37] <sicking> the remaining piece is FileWriter
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# [23:38] <sicking> I wrote up a counter-proposal to FileWriter here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012JanMar/0886.html
# [23:38] <sicking> Octayn: ^
# [23:38] <Octayn> Ah, thanks!
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# [23:40] <sicking> Octayn: feedback would be very welcome to the webapps list. Especially about what you think about FileHandle vs. FileWriter
# [23:40] <Octayn> sicking: I'll definitely subscribe, as it is relevant to my interests (didn't know it existed)
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# [23:51] <darktrojan> first, you gotta find him
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