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  3. # [00:03] <sicking> bjacob: who should I cc for 3D CSS transform bugs? You?
  4. # [00:04] * sicking forgets who implemented it
  5. # [00:06] <derf> mattwoodrow|away did.
  6. # [00:06] <bjacob> yes, mattwoodrow|away
  7. # [00:06] <bjacob> css 3d has *nothing* to do with webgl :-)
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  10. # [00:08] <sicking> bjacob: what, all you 3d people aren't the same?
  11. # [00:08] <sicking> ;-)
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  42. # [00:47] <edmorley> philor: surprised you haven't replied to the win64 thread
  43. # [00:47] <edmorley> I'm feeling a little outnumbered..
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  47. # [00:48] <darktrojan> philor doesn't waste his time on unwinnable fights like that... he has trees to star
  48. # [00:48] <philor> edmorley: what matters to me is what releng does; what releng does will be based on what Asa tells them the product team wants
  49. # [00:49] <edmorley> My main issue is that our current position is not "maintain status quo" (given hidden tests) and that I suspect a fair number of core contributors are not aware how many people use the win64 builds / think they are somehow covered by the tests that the rest of us know are ignored
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  52. # [00:51] <edmorley> as long as (a) releng/sheriffs/everyone else has the same idea as to tier N (whatever N may be), and (b) user choice is an informed choice (which it currently isn't given lack of "experimental" label on nightly.mozilla.org), then I don't really mind whether N is 1 or inifinity
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  55. # [00:53] <edmorley> plus the whole "why are we wasting cycles running tests that are hidden/blatantly ignored -- we either need to run on all trees or none, given it's not a short term think)
  56. # [00:53] <edmorley> s/think/thing/
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  58. # [00:54] <Jesse> aww, i can't tell the "firefox crashes when i have 600 tabs open!" people to switch to 64-bit nightlies any more?
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  63. # [00:57] <philor> sure you can, just tell them that we have absolutely no idea whether or not they will crash on startup, or will not render anything at all
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  67. # [00:58] <philor> khuey: if you're going to do that, you should probably remove the trees: OPEN part
  68. # [00:59] <@khuey> heh
  69. # [00:59] * khuey sets mode: -t
  70. # [00:59] <philor> I've never much cared for it, we've got better places to find out that information
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  73. # [01:01] * edmorley changes topic to 'xpidllex.py failures = bug 723861 || Next uplift: 13/03 || New/want to help? See #introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
  74. # [01:01] <philor> but so far teletubby hasn't found this channel
  75. # [01:02] <edmorley> philor: agreed, it's always been something that hasn't been kept in sync with tinderbox status
  76. # [01:03] <edmorley> heaven forbid, people might actually now look at inbound before landing on top of 10 busted pushes
  77. # [01:04] * Mook thought not needing to look before landing on 10 busted pushes was the point of inbound :p
  78. # [01:04] <edmorley> not having to watch the tree for four hours is the point of inbound, still having a courtesy glance would be nice
  79. # [01:04] <edmorley> :-)
  80. # [01:06] <Jesse> understanding whether the tree is busted requires specialized knowledge again — autostar hasn't been working for me lately :(
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  82. # [01:06] <edmorley> Jesse: I was kinda of meaning "if there is 20 red 'B's then ask in #developers"
  83. # [01:07] <edmorley> rather than orange etc
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  94. # [01:14] <philor> the closedtree hook tells me whether something's open
  95. # [01:15] <Jesse> philor: thanks for starring everything on my inbound push
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  97. # [01:17] <philor> de nada - the real everything would be if I also filed all of them, but I think I ignored browser_dbg_select-line.js long enough to make someone else do it
  98. # [01:18] <philor> and sadly, I correctly guessed who did from the style of the summary. I need a new hobby
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  101. # [01:19] <edmorley> philor++
  102. # Session Close: Sun Mar 04 01:22:05 2012
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  104. # Session Start: Sun Mar 04 01:22:05 2012
  105. # Session Ident: #developers
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  109. # [01:23] * Topic is 'xpidllex.py failures = bug 723861 || Next uplift: 13/03 || New/want to help? See #introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
  110. # [01:23] * Set by edmorley on Sun Mar 04 00:54:09
  111. # [01:23] * edmorley lets philor fight this one... :-)
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  114. # [01:26] <Jesse> other teams solve that problem with weekly emails to the relevant developers
  115. # [01:26] <Jesse> spam is rarely the right answer
  116. # [01:27] <philor> okay, get me the right to unilaterally disable any test, and I'll give up tbplbot
  117. # [01:27] <philor> not that I think disabling a test has any effect on developers either, but there's no way in hell I'm going to just suffer silently with every single one of everyone's failures to write a working test
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  120. # [01:32] <Jesse> the goal should be to get the bugs prioritized effectively, not punish developers (and reporters and bystanders)
  121. # [01:33] <Jesse> i don't comment on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578828 every time a user hits a malicious advertisement that takes advantage of the misfeature
  122. # [01:34] <Jesse> i don't comment on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662444 every time someone mentions slow shutdown on twitter
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  124. # [01:36] <ehoogeveen> Implementation details aside, would a weekly summary of the number of failures be an acceptible compromise? That way the bug won't fall off the map completely but it won't spam your inbox or hide useful comments either
  125. # [01:36] <Jesse> i noticed a that few of the top reftest failures seem to be "background doesn't get painted". do you know what's up with that? do backgrounds no longer block onload or something?
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  127. # [01:37] <philor> it's only on WinXP, isn't it?
  128. # [01:37] <@khuey> backgrounds never did block onload
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  132. # [01:38] <Jesse> ehoogeveen: it would be a step in the right direction ;)
  133. # [01:39] <philor> it already exists
  134. # [01:39] <ehoogeveen> As a component watcher I would also be very happy if test failures got their own component on bugzilla ;)
  135. # [01:39] <philor> I hereby declare it a failure
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  137. # [01:39] <philor> why? do they have nothing to do with the component?
  138. # [01:39] <philor> who evaluated them to determine that they don't?
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  140. # [01:40] <ehoogeveen> oh they do, but to someone who has nothing to do with them it's just useless noise
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  142. # [01:40] <Waldo> espindola: ping?
  143. # [01:40] <Jesse> lolwut https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718316#c998
  144. # [01:40] <philor> is it? are they all failures in the test code, and none are failures in the component's code itself, which the test is pointing out?
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  146. # [01:42] <philor> Jesse: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329729#c193
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  150. # [01:44] <ehoogeveen> Isn't that just arguing semantics? The people who need to know about a test failure are those responsible - and maybe the module owner, but these bugs don't have to be in the same component as the bug that spawned them for that, do they?
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  152. # [01:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d20e343d885d - Alexander Surkov - Bug 727940 - Windows app can't read Firefox setting for hardware acceleration (D2D), r=marcoz, tbsaunde
  153. # [01:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/bfa4df617fca - Jonathan Kew - bug 732443 - handle surrogate pairs correctly in ClusterIterator. r=emk
  154. # [01:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/55e360715d76 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 732693 - Fix bytecode emitted for o.__proto__(). r=bhackett
  155. # [01:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/42cf37973665 - Robert Longson - Bug 730658 - use element does not display properly when animated with set. r=dholbert
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  157. # [01:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/baec1efc87a4 - Ed Morley - Merge last PGO-green changeset of mozilla-inbound to mozilla-central
  158. # [01:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d43c3e308c82 - Ed Morley - Merge mozilla-central to mozilla-inbound
  159. # [01:48] <edmorley> firebot: shhhh
  160. # [01:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8cdce56098cd - Matheus Kerschbaum - Bug 687579 part 1: Remove globalStorage implementation. r=jst
  161. # [01:48] <edmorley> firebot: shutup
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  163. # [01:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7c62688f88fa - Matheus Kerschbaum - Bug 687579 part 2: Nuke globalStorage tests. r=jst
  164. # [01:48] <firebot> edmorley: Sorry, I've no idea what 'shhhh' might be.
  165. # [01:48] <firebot> edmorley: I wasn't talking to you.
  166. # [01:48] <edmorley> bah
  167. # [01:49] <edmorley> firebot: you didn't even announce the merge changesets in the correct order, silly
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  169. # [01:49] <firebot> edmorley: Sorry, I've no idea what 'you didn't even announce the merge changesets in the correct order, silly' might be.
  170. # [01:50] * edmorley thinks a firebot+face hybrid would be much more amusing
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  172. # [01:51] <edmorley> least we could get it to issue pirate insults then :-)
  173. # [01:52] <Waldo> firebot: insult edmorley
  174. # [01:52] <firebot> Waldo: Sorry, I've no idea what 'insult edmorley' might be.
  175. # [01:52] <Waldo> hmm, that used to work
  176. # [01:55] <edmorley> #ateam's face uses the Perl Acme::Scurvy::Whoreson::BilgeRat module to generate insults, we should get firebot to do something similar :-)
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  181. # [01:57] <darktrojan> firebot, botsnack
  182. # [01:57] * firebot smiles
  183. # [02:00] <philor> http://mxr.mozilla.org/webtools/source/mozbot/BotModules/Insult.bm
  184. # [02:00] <philor> it's just turned off
  185. # [02:03] <philor> so, in this silent version of starring, what gives someone who spends about two full-time jobs worth of every week on it some hope that something might ever be fixed?
  186. # [02:05] <Jesse> the orange factor web site? weekly emails to team leads, like the security team does? the knowledge that if someone makes a useful comment in an orange bug, the comment won't be hidden by spam?
  187. # [02:05] <philor> bug 443763
  188. # [02:08] <darktrojan> you know you can collapse the tbplbot comments, don't you
  189. # [02:08] <philor> bug 567954
  190. # [02:09] <Jesse> darktrojan: how?
  191. # [02:09] <darktrojan> bugzilla tweaks addon
  192. # [02:09] <darktrojan> I guess, I dunno what's the addon and what's bmo these days
  193. # [02:10] <ehoogeveen> Aha, there's a "Collapse TinderboxPushlog Comments" link-button next to the first post
  194. # [02:10] <philor> bug 694772 is going into its 13th week in the top of the weekly mail, how's it doing?
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  196. # [02:11] <philor> not that the week mail has actually managed 13 weeks of being mailed, of course
  197. # [02:11] <Jesse> it's getting several spam comments daily, too
  198. # [02:12] <Jesse> and i can't tell how it's doing, because it's so cluttered with spam comments
  199. # [02:12] <philor> which the module owner closely reads, since he quickly called me on it when I accidentally pasted the link to the bug
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  201. # [02:13] <philor> yeah, shame I'm covering over absolutely nothing with them, isn't it?
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  203. # [02:13] <philor> if only you could see that it had exactly one comment, comment 0, and absolutely nothing else, then it would get fixed because _______
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  207. # [02:19] <rnewman> I'm a broken man. "oh, Saturday afternoon. let's see if I can kill a random orange, just to relax"
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  209. # [02:21] <philor> I recommend impotent rage and the inescapable feeling that you've made an enormous codependent mistake instead, I find that very relaxing
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  227. # [02:36] <tictactoe> Do you recommend me some project to fork in github.com/mozilla? javascript, php, c, java.
  228. # [02:37] <Jesse> tictactoe: looking for a project to contribute to?
  229. # [02:37] <tictactoe> yes.
  230. # [02:40] <tictactoe> jesse. I just learn how to use github and i want to contribute with a project but there is too many i can't decide which one choose
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  297. # [04:17] <RyanVM> joe: if you're feeling so motivated on a Saturday night, I'd love an rs on the updated libpng patch (assuming you really even need to review it again)
  298. # [04:17] <joe> RyanVM: what changed?
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  301. # [04:17] <RyanVM> fixed a couple reference images for the xpcshell image encoding tests
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  303. # [04:18] <RyanVM> same type of thing as the reftests
  304. # [04:18] <joe> rs=me
  305. # [04:18] <RyanVM> thanks :)
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  308. # [04:18] <joe> and in answer to your implied question, i don't really think i needed to review it again
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  310. # [04:19] <RyanVM> didn't really think so, but figured better safe than sorry
  311. # [04:19] <joe> ya
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  345. # [05:27] <@dolske> joe: I'm going to add a bunch of reftests using rob ford's image, is that ok?
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  347. # [05:30] <Jesse> dholbert: http://www.squarefree.com/2012/03/03/fuzzing-for-consistent-rendering/
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  383. # [06:42] <rohan> can anyone help me with adding a button on the user interface of firefox? Please, help is urgently required
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  388. # [06:43] <mconnor> guess it wasn't that urgent
  389. # [06:43] <mconnor> oh, he came back
  390. # [06:44] <rohan> jesse can you help?
  391. # [06:44] <mconnor> rohan: you mean from an add-on, or as a patch?
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  394. # [06:44] <rohan> hi mconnor
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  400. # [06:56] <rohan> I'm getting a segmentation fault error in speechrequest, can anybody help?
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  440. # [08:54] <Asa> what's the difference between text-size-adjust and font-size-adjust?
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  443. # [08:58] <mcpherrin> Asa: I believe text- affects how fonts are scaled on mobile, and font- affects something to do with aspect ratios of characters when using multiple fonts (N.B. I've never used either)
  444. # [08:59] <Asa> mcpherrin: thanks.
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  460. # [09:28] <yesh> how to start
  461. # [09:28] <yesh> plz help mee
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  473. # [09:58] <Ms2ger> Wow, did RyanVM do a checkin-needed push without needing to back out anything?
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  482. # [10:16] <nigelb> lol
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  501. # [10:52] <Asa> I wish Firefox could exit as fast as IE and Chrome.
  502. # [10:52] <Ms2ger> We're working on it
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  512. # [11:19] <Asa> yeah. I've seen a couple of snappy bugs
  513. # [11:20] <Asa> Jesse: I'm testing 3.6.x now
  514. # [11:22] <Jesse> Asa: i'm curious what you find out :)
  515. # [11:22] <Jesse> happy 2am btw
  516. # [11:22] <Asa> first thing I'm finding is that launching the same 18 tabs totally hangs 3.6 for about 30 seconds
  517. # [11:23] <Asa> even 4.0.1 was much better at that.
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  519. # [11:24] <Asa> and happy 2am to you too!
  520. # [11:25] <NeilAway> heh, apparently I've got a request that's only 2885 days old ;-)
  521. # [11:25] <Ms2ger> NeilAway--
  522. # [11:25] <NeilAway> mounir++
  523. # [11:26] <Ms2ger> Heh
  524. # [11:26] <Ms2ger> otoh, I bet sicking has older requests
  525. # [11:27] <Asa> Jesse: yeah, this is really not good. It's not at all happy loading these pages all at once. I'll have to load them in smaller batches I think
  526. # [11:29] <Jesse> asa: interesting. loading in smaller batches might give it a memory advantage, by letting it free temporary stuff before loading the next batch
  527. # [11:34] <Asa> Jesse: it simply refuses to finish loading these tabs.
  528. # [11:35] <Asa> I'll try re-starting.
  529. # [11:35] <darktrojan> what are you guys up to?
  530. # [11:36] <Asa> in 9 minutes, I couldn't get 3.6.x to finish loading 18 tabs.
  531. # [11:36] <darktrojan> heh
  532. # [11:36] <Asa> they looked mostly loaded but a dozen of the throbbers were still spinning.
  533. # [11:37] <Ms2ger> When are we killing 3.6 again?
  534. # [11:37] <Asa> OK. they did much better the second time.
  535. # [11:38] <Asa> darktrojan: I'm doing some memory comparing between Firefox versions
  536. # [11:38] <darktrojan> you should report the results on slashdot
  537. # [11:38] <Asa> see http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2012/03/firefox-memory-and-performance.html
  538. # [11:40] <Asa> 3.6.x appears to beat Firefox 13 by a decent margin.
  539. # [11:42] <Jesse> Asa: best wall-of-text paragraph ever
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  541. # [11:42] <Asa> Jesse: some platform features :-)
  542. # [11:43] <Ms2ger> Asa, Gamepad hasn't landed yet, I don't think
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  544. # [11:44] <Asa> ok. Two runs of the test on 3.6.27 and it looks like it beats Firefox 13 nightly by about 20%
  545. # [11:44] <Asa> that's disappointing
  546. # [11:44] <Unfocused> so... 3.6 beats chrome?
  547. # [11:44] <Jesse> Asa: hrm. if you look at firefox 13's about:memory, can the difference be explained by jitting?
  548. # [11:44] <Jesse> no wait 3.6 had tracejit
  549. # [11:44] <Asa> Unfocused: 3.6 beats everything in minimal RAM usage
  550. # [11:45] <Ms2ger> Tracejit didn't use nearly as much memory as mjit, I guess
  551. # [11:45] <Jesse> Asa: want to try again with all JITs off in 3.6 and all JITs off in firefox 13?
  552. # [11:47] <Asa> Firefox 3.6 uses almost 45% less memory than Firefox 4 and about 20% less memory than 13.
  553. # [11:47] <Asa> 4 really was a pig on memory
  554. # [11:47] <Asa> almost doubled memory usage in this test compared to 3.6
  555. # [11:48] <Asa> but it also kind of sucks. it hanged several times trying to load up all the tabs.
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  557. # [11:48] <Asa> 3.6 that is.
  558. # [11:48] <Asa> Jesse: I may do some no-JIT compares later. I'm done for the night.
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  560. # [11:51] <Unfocused> what? it's not even 3am!
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  562. # [11:51] <Asa> :)
  563. # [11:51] <Asa> too discouraged seeing how much less RAM 3.6 uses than 13.
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  566. # [11:53] <Jesse> Asa: and how about after closing the tabs? did we at least get better on leaks/fragmentation?
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  569. # [11:56] <glazou> bonjour
  570. # [11:56] <glazou> smontagu: ping
  571. # [11:57] <smontagu> glazou: pongjoir
  572. # [11:57] <glazou> lol
  573. # [11:57] <glazou> Simon, I have two things to ask you
  574. # [11:57] <glazou> first, do you have a live example of a web page in hebrew NOT in utf-8 ?
  575. # [11:57] <Jesse> smontagu: i mentioned you on http://www.squarefree.com/2012/03/03/fuzzing-for-consistent-rendering/ ;)
  576. # [11:58] <smontagu> glazou: a real web page or a test case?
  577. # [11:58] <smontagu> Jesse: cool :)
  578. # [11:58] <glazou> does not really matter
  579. # [11:58] <glazou> prefer a real one of course but would live with the latter
  580. # [11:59] <glazou> (is the charset for hebrew 8859-15 ?)
  581. # [11:59] <smontagu> http://food.walla.co.il/?w=/906/878200
  582. # [11:59] <glazou> looking
  583. # [11:59] <Jesse> smontagu: but i'll need fixes for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=730562 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726460 in order to catch regressions in bidi
  584. # [12:00] <smontagu> windows-1255 or 8859-8-i
  585. # [12:00] <glazou> wonderful, thanks smontagu
  586. # [12:00] <glazou> smontagu: second question, I have a problem with i18n and fonts
  587. # [12:00] <glazou> the 1st time bluegriffon is launched after install on mac, it fails rendering correctly the font for http://www.w3.org/Press/1998/XSL-WD.html.ja
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  589. # [12:01] <glazou> if I close the app and relaunch, then it gets it right
  590. # [12:01] <glazou> any clue ?
  591. # [12:01] <smontagu> Jesse: i was low prioritizing those because they seem to have been around for ever. if they are blocking you i'll bump them up
  592. # [12:01] <glazou> happened to me a few times on firefox too
  593. # [12:02] <Jesse> smontagu: they are blocking me from finding other rendering bugs (including regressions) involving bidi, but not blocking me from finding security holes. so it depends on how important you think it is for me to catch dynamic rendering bugs :)
  594. # [12:02] <smontagu> glazou: jfkthame or nattokirai know more than me about font selection issues
  595. # [12:02] <glazou> ok thanks
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  597. # [12:04] <smontagu> Jesse: well, if the experience with bug 718236 is typical, it's good to catch and fix dynamic renderings bugs, because your testcases are usually much easier to play with than facebook pages :)
  598. # [12:06] <Jesse> smontagu: hehe
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  600. # [12:07] <Jesse> smontagu: btw, do you think we have too few rtl/bidi users on aurora/beta?
  601. # [12:07] <smontagu> Jesse: yes
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  604. # [12:09] <Jesse> smontagu: we probably need disproportionately many aurora/beta users on non-english versions in order to get the same number of bug reports :/
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  609. # [12:17] <Jesse> my firefox crashed [js::gc::PushMarkStack] https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/cef714f7-87c7-4bee-bc52-58d702120304 :(
  610. # [12:19] <Ms2ger> [#3 topcrash in 6 Beta and 7 Aurora]
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  622. # [12:34] <Asa> Jesse: 3.6.x seems to be better at returning memory too :( in this test anyway. closing all the tabs and loading Fireofx Home, 3.6 instantly drops to about 1.5x startup RAM while 13 takes about 10 minutes to give back all it's going to give back leaving it at about 2x startup RAM.
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  624. # [12:35] <Asa> 3.6 is just better with memory in this test. but it's a lot worse with performance and hangs.
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  626. # [12:36] <Asa> haha. I have this phone http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/04/atandt-urging-customers-to-upgrade-to-3g-possibly-killing-off-2g/
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  630. # [12:48] <daweescanner> good day
  631. # [12:49] <daweescanner> it has been pointed out to me that the Firefox source ought to contain a list of "gccTLD", i.e. co.uk, ne.jp etc. I could grep the code for that, but does anyone happen to know where I should look so I can save some time?
  632. # [12:57] <Unfocused> daweescanner: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/dns/effective_tld_names.dat
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  635. # [12:58] <daweescanner> unfocused: fantastic, thx!
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  639. # [13:06] <Ms2ger> daweescanner, or http://publicsuffix.org/, I guess
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  641. # [13:09] <Asa> ok. time to consider sleep again
  642. # [13:10] <Ms2ger> Mozilla is safe in edmorley's hands :)
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  644. # [13:15] <edmorley> ha :-)
  645. # [13:15] <edmorley> Good morning Ms2ger
  646. # [13:16] <edmorley> errr afternoon even
  647. # [13:16] <Ms2ger> Only just :)
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  654. # [13:28] <Ms2ger> edmorley, review from the wind in bug 732761
  655. # [13:28] <daweescanner> ms2ger: thx too
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  657. # [13:28] <Ms2ger> Np
  658. # [13:30] <edmorley> Ms2ger: thank you
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  660. # [13:30] <Ms2ger> Np
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  737. # [16:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a64e9d89a279 - Neil Rashbrook - Bug 732738 textbox should only execute inline onfocus and onblur event handlers once r=smaug
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  747. # [16:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ace2338e90df - Neil Rashbrook - Bug 727954 Delay autocomplete of pasted value r=IanNDONTBUILD
  748. # [16:25] <NeilAway> bah
  749. # [16:25] <NeilAway> I thought that was going to be on a new line
  750. # [16:27] * NeilAway wonders whether that will still avoid triggering builds
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  758. # [16:36] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, looks like you got lucky :)
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  769. # [16:49] <Ms2ger> ddahl, I've set up https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcrypt/raw-file/tip/Overview.html in case you felt like working on that ;)
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  791. # [17:14] <jlebar_> smaug, hey
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  796. # [17:14] <@smaug> jlebar: telemetry evolution shows mean values
  797. # [17:15] <jlebar> smaug, correct
  798. # [17:15] <@smaug> do you know if it is possible to get median
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  800. # [17:15] * @smaug is not quite sure about English words average and mean. What is the difference, since in Finnish those are the same
  801. # [17:16] <jlebar> smaug, "Average" usually means mean, but can mean mean, median, or mode, depending on context.
  802. # [17:16] <@smaug> ah
  803. # [17:16] <jlebar> * "Average" usually means *arithmetic* mean. :)
  804. # [17:16] <jlebar> smaug, Anyway, yes, they have the median data, I believe.
  805. # [17:16] <jlebar> smaug, It's just a question of how to display it.
  806. # [17:17] <vikram360> Hi, I know this is a question for #introduction but people seem to be sleepy there today.Is the bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659099 a bug in FF or is it just something with the OS?
  807. # [17:17] <jlebar> smaug, When they had the rainbow-colored whiskers, you could pick out the median. But the rainbow colors were tough to follow.
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  810. # [17:17] <jlebar> vikram360, Sounds like an OS problem to me.
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  813. # [17:18] <kwierso> vikram360: scrolling with a touchpad on windows is generally a crapshoot anywhere you try it...
  814. # [17:18] <smaug_> jlebar: I guess 25-75 kind of shows median
  815. # [17:18] <smaug_> but it hard to interpret
  816. # [17:19] <jlebar> smaug_, Indeed.
  817. # [17:19] <jlebar> smaug_, If you want to work with them to develop a good design for showing the median, more power to you. :)
  818. # [17:19] <vikram360> jlebar : I thought so. but Tim (who seems to be pretty active on that bug) seems (from his comments) to think otherwise. Is there ANY reason to belive it's a problem with FF?
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  820. # [17:20] <jlebar> vikram360, I don't get that impression from his comments. But I'd ask in the bug. I don't know if there's any reason to believe it's a problem in FF.
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  825. # [17:21] <jlebar> <jlebar> smaug_, Indeed.
  826. # [17:21] <jlebar> <jlebar> smaug_, If you want to work with them to develop a good design for showing the median, more power to you. :)
  827. # [17:21] <vikram360> jlebar : I made that judgement based on his question (in the comments) of whether the problem persists with FF 9
  828. # [17:21] <jlebar> vikram360, That question is often asked without prejudice.
  829. # [17:22] <vikram360> Either ways, I'm new here, so I'll take it up with Tim thanks jlebar , thanks kwierso
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  831. # [17:22] <jlebar> vikram360, Sure thing; hope you figure it out!
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  834. # [17:22] <NeilAway> smaug: well, it turns out you incidentally fixed 315857
  835. # [17:23] <NeilAway> in fact, that probably deserves
  836. # [17:23] <NeilAway> smaug++
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  840. # [17:27] <@smaug> NeilAway: ah, indeed
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  970. # [20:23] <RyanVM> so according to the tree rules for inbound, I'm supposed to set the target milestone on checkin? I had always assumed that it was to be set when merged to m-c due to backout risk on inbound.
  971. # [20:23] <philor> jlebar: was that shade of red the one you were going for?
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  973. # [20:24] <jlebar> philor, I was hoping for more beet and less ruby.
  974. # [20:24] <jlebar> sigh
  975. # [20:24] <jlebar> philor, I hear Google can push to try and get results in 60s.
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  977. # [20:25] <jlebar> Oh, I see how it is.
  978. # [20:25] <jlebar> Compiling all explicit template instantiations, even those which I don't use.
  979. # [20:25] <jlebar> philor, This is why I like to push on the weekends. My own personal tryserver. :)
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  981. # [20:26] <philor> Google's hardware policy: "Okay, we'll make more." Mozilla's hardware policy: "You should push less."
  982. # [20:26] <jlebar> philor++
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  984. # [20:27] <RyanVM> jlebar: Yes, weekend pushing FTW.
  985. # [20:28] <jlebar> philor, Backed out.
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  987. # [20:31] <jlebar> All the more reason to drop 32-bit builds, as far as I'm concerned. :)
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  1007. # [20:50] <Ms2ger> jlebar, you mean 64-bit ;)
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  1016. # [20:59] <Ms2ger> star, even
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  1069. # [22:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5724c5ba0f84 - Tim Taubert - Bug 730773 - Track shutdown leaks when DOMWindows *or* DocShells leaked (not and); r=ctalbert
  1070. # [22:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/76814dbb993b - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
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  1077. # [22:30] <RyanVM> is there a tutorial out there for merging a branch into m-c?
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  1083. # [22:39] <jtcranmer> 1. hg merge 2. run away?
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  1087. # [22:44] <RyanVM> heh
  1088. # [22:44] <jtcranmer> 3. xxx 4. profit
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  1090. # [22:45] <philor> there's the minimal https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mercurial_FAQ#Maintaining_a_branch_of_mozilla-central
  1091. # [22:46] <philor> which lacks an explanation of the part where you carefully pull just the last rev on the branch that's actually finished building and testing PGO
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  1093. # [22:46] <philor> and then pull its tip before you merge back to it
  1094. # [22:48] <philor> and then again and again as people pile onto it
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  1116. # [23:17] <Asa> I have one site open, and the social sharing buttons are taking up about 800MB while the page itself is taking about 20MB. http://grab.by/cdl0
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  1119. # [23:18] <Asa> sharing buttons need to die. Or we need to find a way to collapse their RAM usage.
  1120. # [23:18] <edmorley> RyanVM: yeah, set milestone on landing on inbound, since the idea being that more sticks than gets backed out (!!), so risk of backout just means having to set milestone back to --- on backout (which isn't too taxing)
  1121. # [23:18] <johanc> Asa: blank page
  1122. # [23:19] <johanc> Asa: sorry, nevermind
  1123. # [23:19] <RyanVM> Asa: not home-grown, but ABP works well for it
  1124. # [23:19] <edmorley> RyanVM: only other factor is "not setting milestone in 12-24 hrs before uplift", in case it doesn't make it, but that's only 1 day every 6 weeks (plus I tend to manually inspect all checkins +/- 1 day from uplift to be sure anyway
  1125. # [23:20] <RyanVM> edmorley: I'm pretty sure that branch merges are more than I'm going to want to do for a very long time
  1126. # [23:20] <RyanVM> but I finally got a couple pushes to stick 100%!
  1127. # [23:20] <edmorley> :-)
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  1129. # [23:22] <edmorley> RyanVM: the physical inbound merge isn't too taxing (I've just added this to my .profile http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1502306), it's the bug marking that does my head in (automated system a la https://etherpad.mozilla.org/automating-merge-bug-marking being something I've still not had the bandwidth for yet)
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  1136. # [23:25] <philor> edmorley: hg up -r tip is a risky scheme, hg up -r default is much safer
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  1139. # [23:26] <edmorley> philor: for which scenarios?
  1140. # [23:26] <philor> we aren't currently doing branches in m-c, but that doesn't mean we won't go back to them when you least expect it :)
  1141. # [23:26] <edmorley> ah
  1142. # [23:27] <edmorley> fair enough, modified
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  1144. # [23:28] <@smaug> how does peptest work?
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  1147. # [23:32] <edmorley> smaug: random.choice(['orange', 'orange', 'orange', 'green'])
  1148. # [23:32] <@smaug> :)
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  1150. # [23:33] * @khuey chuckles at http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3663746
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  1153. # [23:34] <@smaug> I mean, how does it decide whether browser is responsive
  1154. # [23:35] <philor> http://blog.mozilla.com/ted/2011/06/27/measuring-ui-responsiveness/
  1155. # [23:35] <philor> according to https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Peptest
  1156. # [23:36] <Jesse> Asa: that about:memory screenshot is impressive
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  1165. # [23:45] <@khuey> rofl
  1166. # [23:45] <@khuey> that's impressive
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  1170. # [23:52] <jtcranmer> "You submitted changes to attachment.cgi with an invalid token, which may indicate that someone tried to abuse you, for instance by making you click on a URL which redirected you here without your consent.
  1171. # [23:52] <jtcranmer> Are you sure you want to commit these changes?
  1172. # [23:52] <jtcranmer> "
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  1178. # [23:56] <Jesse> "may indicate that someone tried to abuse you"
  1179. # [23:56] <Jesse> not your browser, not your bugzilla account, YOU
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  1182. # [23:59] <philor> oh, please no, sir, don't redirect me to attachment.cgi again, I'll do anything you want, just not the attachment.cgi again
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  1184. # [23:59] <jtcranmer> I have no idea what that even means
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  1186. # Session Close: Mon Mar 05 00:00:00 2012

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