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6. # [00:01] <derf> philor: Show us on the doll where he put the invalid token.
7. # [00:01] <Jesse> it means (1) bugzilla screwed up managing your CSRF token or (2) someone is CSRFing you
8. # [00:01] <Jesse> derf++
9. # [00:01] <jtcranmer> firebot: what is CSRF?
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11. # [00:02] <firebot> jtcranmer: Sorry, I've no idea what 'CSRF' is.
12. # [00:02] <Jesse> jtcranmer: i've heard of that happening for people who leave bugzilla pages open for 3+ days
13. # [00:02] <derf> Isn't that everybody?
14. # [00:02] <jtcranmer> all I did was open up the link bugzilla sent me in email, and do r+ on a patch...
15. # [00:02] <jtcranmer> in the space of, oh, 4 hours
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18. # [00:03] <Matti> jtcranmer's Account got hacked ? Should I remove his editbugs flag for security reasons ?
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22. # [00:05] <philor> the "too long" message says something else, I'm pretty sure
23. # [00:05] <jtcranmer> I suspect it may have been a patch-r+ race
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26. # [00:05] <jtcranmer> but if it it's a race, shouldn't it have told me "someone raced you!"
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28. # [00:07] <Matti> bugzilla calls it "mid-air Collision"
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56. # [00:47] <jtcranmer> bah
57. # [00:47] <jtcranmer> what's the easiest way to sort a listbox?
58. # [00:49] <darktrojan> put the listitems in an array, sort it with a custom function, then append them in order to the listbox?
59. # [00:50] <jtcranmer> :-/
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61. # [00:51] <kwierso> looks like there are
62. # [00:51] <kwierso> insertItemAt() and removeItemAt() methods on the listbox
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64. # [00:53] <@dolske> wtf. "201.21 MB (17.68%) -- compartment(https://plusone.google.com/"
65. # [00:53] <@dolske> stupid google.
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67. # [00:54] <darktrojan> heh
68. # [00:54] <darktrojan> someone shared the whole internet with their circles?
69. # [00:55] <Jesse> that's just from "+1" buttons on other sites
70. # [00:56] * darktrojan has noscript block all that sort of crap
71. # [00:56] <darktrojan> makes the internet so much nicer
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74. # [01:04] <NeilAway> Ms2ger-- for making it look as if jlebar was going to start a BBQ...
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78. # [01:15] <NeilAway> jtcranmer: the easiest way? populate your listbox from RDF
79. # [01:16] <jtcranmer> uh, I can't do that from JS
80. # [01:18] <Callek> sure ya can
81. # [01:18] <Callek> write out a RDF file from JS
82. # [01:18] <Callek> then import that RDF into listbox
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86. # [01:19] <jtcranmer> sheesh
87. # [01:19] <jtcranmer> we have a lot of loggers
88. # [01:19] <njn> dolske: 200MB is impressive
89. # [01:19] <njn> ABP's antisocial subscription can block that stuff too, apparently
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91. # [01:24] <mconnor> dietrich wrote an add-on that does the same thing
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93. # [01:24] <mconnor> which reminds me, I owe dietrich a beer, because I was totally wondering why I stopped seeing like buttons...
94. # [01:25] <ehoogeveen> njn: Asa shared this screenshot earlier: http://grab.by/cdl0 and mentioned that he only had one page open - the page itself was taking 20MiB and the rest - well, just look
95. # [01:25] <njn> ehoogeveen: ugh
96. # [01:25] <cers> mconnor: happen to have an url for that?
97. # [01:25] <ehoogeveen> (the rest being social buttons)
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99. # [01:26] <jtcranmer> sheesh
100. # [01:26] * njn wonders if he doesn't see facebook.com compartments get that high because he doesn't have a facebook account
101. # [01:26] <jtcranmer> we really ought to revamp NSPR logging
102. # [01:27] <edmorley> s/logging//
103. # [01:28] <jtcranmer> there are a few locations where we define the same log module in different files as static variables
104. # [01:28] <jtcranmer> and there's no way to dynamically enable/disable logging, except via HACKS!
105. # [01:29] * jtcranmer notes as the author of https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/loghelper/
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109. # [01:38] <mconnor> cers: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wallflower-1/?src=api
110. # [01:39] <cers> mconnor: thanks
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122. # [01:54] <kwierso> njn: I have a facebook account, and it usually consumes less than 50MB
123. # [01:55] <kwierso> then again, I really only use facebook for posting and reading statuses, no apps or games
124. # [01:55] <njn> kwierso: maybe that page has lots of like buttons or something. I recall a bug where the FB compartment was big because of lots of comments in a thread
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127. # [01:57] <kwierso> njn: possibly
128. # [01:58] * kwierso just expanded ~1000 comments, facebook's compartment jumped from 20mb to 85
129. # [01:58] <cers> kwierso: both my gmail and my facebook (both app tabs) regularly soar to quite horrible mem-usage
130. # [01:59] <kwierso> leaving that page to go to the facebook homepage dropped it back down to 18
131. # [01:59] * kwierso blocks third party cookies and adblocks and noscripts a bunch of stuff, though
132. # [01:59] <Jesse> i could do a twitter poll
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135. # [02:00] <Jesse> "Firefox users: what percent of your browser's memory use is due to Like and +1 buttons, according to about:memory?"
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140. # [02:06] <bkero> how would we be able to tell with about:memory?
141. # [02:09] <RyanVM> there's an easylist subscriptions for social networking junk that works nicely
142. # [02:09] <Jesse> bkero: assuming you don't have any facebook tabs open, any www.facebook.com memory is probably from like buttons
143. # [02:10] <Jesse> and google helpfully segregates https://plusone.google.com/
144. # [02:10] <Jesse> hmm, i leaked http://www.walkscore.com/apartments/
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146. # [02:11] <bkero> I have all of those open :P
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179. # [03:08] <darktrojan> how do I find out which cell of a tree I was at when opening a context menu?
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196. # [03:39] <njn> what's the point of wrapping comments at 72 chars?
197. # [03:40] <Jesse> as opposed to 80 or as opposed to not at all?
198. # [03:42] <njn> Jesse: as opposed to 809
199. # [03:42] <njn> *80
200. # [03:42] <njn> Jesse: or 78 or 79
201. # [03:43] <@dolske> 72's the "standard" from email, isn't it? (<80 to allow quoting)
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204. # [03:44] <njn> dolske: maybe, but that doesn't seem relevant for code...
205. # [03:44] <@dolske> indeed.
206. # [03:45] <gavin> you're talking about code comments?
207. # [03:46] <gavin> or bugzilla comments?
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210. # [03:46] <derf> njn: Allows for changing indentation!
211. # [03:46] <njn> gavin: code domments
212. # [03:47] <gavin> who wraps at 72 chars?
213. # [03:47] <gavin> I've only ever seen 80 used in mozilla code
214. # [03:48] <njn> gavin: dbaron asked me to do it in a patch
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216. # [03:48] <njn> gavin: and I'm looking at some code where jst has done it
217. # [03:49] <gavin> js used to be very religious about 80, but I think they bumped that up to ~100
218. # [03:49] <jdm> odd; I've never seen requests for anything but 78 or 80
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221. # [03:50] <njn> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712865#c6, towards the bottom
222. # [03:50] <njn> "Could you wrap comments at 72 characters?"
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224. # [03:53] <@khuey> that's ... odd
225. # [03:53] <njn> khuey: that's what I thought
226. # [03:53] <heycam> asking to wrap at 73 characters would be more odd
227. # [03:53] <njn> I'm going to ask
228. # [03:53] <Jesse> heycam++
229. # [03:54] <@khuey> it would be more prime too
230. # [03:54] <njn> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712865#c9
231. # [03:54] <njn> khuey: 72 is rather unprime
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233. # [03:55] <jtcranmer> 79
234. # [03:55] <ewong> quick question.. for NPOTB pushes, do I do |r=<reviewer> NPOTB| or just |r=NPOTB|?
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236. # [03:56] <@khuey> that depends ... NPOTB doesn't automatically mean that it doesn't need review
237. # [03:56] <ewong> khuey sorry.. I mean for patch that has already been reviewed and was told NPOTB
238. # [03:57] <@khuey> ewong: you don't need to say it's NPOTB unless you're landing on aurora or something
239. # [03:57] <@khuey> in which case a=NPOTB is the way to go
240. # [03:57] <ewong> khuey: thanks!
241. # [03:57] <philor> unless rather than NPOTB you mean DONTBUILD
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243. # [04:00] <ewong> hmm gonna have to re-ask the reviewer then..
244. # [04:00] <philor> "was there any point whatsoever in you telling me this was NPOTB?" :)
245. # [04:02] <njn> khuey: if I've only changed a file in dom/, should |make -C d64/dom/ && make -C d64/toolkit/library| suffice for a rebuild? It doesn't seem to be working
246. # [04:02] <@khuey> reading this "github gets hacked" stuff on hacker news is pretty entertaining
247. # [04:02] <@khuey> njn: nope, you need to do layout/build too
248. # [04:02] <njn> khuey: ok, thanks
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250. # [04:03] <njn> khuey: the same is true for xpconnect, right?
251. # [04:03] <@khuey> yes
252. # [04:03] <njn> thx
253. # [04:04] <@khuey> np
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255. # [04:06] <gavin> only until khuey fixes bug 690840
256. # [04:07] <darktrojan> I wonder if NoScript should stop saying that they won an award in 2006
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261. # [04:16] <@khuey> yeah, we really should do that
262. # [04:17] <Callek> khuey: soooo off-the-cuff thinking
263. # [04:18] <Callek> khuey: is it possible without TONS of work to make pyc/pyo generated in obj dir only, if we don't want to/don't copy the py itself to the objectdir first? (and still have import ... work)
264. # [04:18] <@khuey> Callek: no, because python :-(
265. # [04:19] <@khuey> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3522079/changing-the-directory-where-pyc-files-are-created
266. # [04:19] <Callek> so in python it always has to be next to the .py
267. # [04:19] <Callek> :(
268. # [04:19] <@khuey> we could just python -B everything
269. # [04:19] <@khuey> that might make the build slower
270. # [04:19] <@khuey> idk
271. # [04:19] <Callek> khuey: second thought then, is it worthwhile/possible disabling pyc/pyo without too much trouble when USING an objectdir?
272. # [04:20] <@khuey> possible, yes
273. # [04:21] <Callek> I imagine our build machines will want to disable that in 99.9% of cases, but local devs it will continue to bite until we upgrade to py3.2+ and use __pycache__ somehow ;-)
274. # [04:22] <@khuey> heh
275. # [04:22] <@khuey> pretty sure we'll all be working on servo before we move to 3.2
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277. # [04:23] <Callek> na, I have a patch to move us to py3.2 already
278. # [04:23] <Callek> for everything
279. # [04:23] <Callek> buildbot, mozmill, in-tree py, mozbuild, hg hooks, everything
280. # [04:23] <Callek> its completely wrong and busted, but I still have the patch
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282. # [04:24] <jtcranmer> make make -f client.mk configure trash all .pyc files in the srcdir?
283. # [04:24] <jtcranmer> let's face it, I have to run configure after pretty much every checkout
284. # [04:24] <jtcranmer> anyways
285. # [04:25] <@khuey> Callek: r- :-)
286. # [04:25] <@khuey> Callek: mostly because I'm opposed to python 3 on principle
287. # [04:25] <Callek> khuey: no need for you to r-, I'm gonna get serge to review
288. # [04:25] <@khuey> ahahaha
289. # [04:25] <Callek> after all he's still on win2k0 iirc
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291. # [04:33] <ewong> he's still on Win2k? ergk! with our move to MSVC2010.. he's gonna be 'hosed' (if that's the word to use)
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300. # [04:54] <njn> what is resource://gre-resources/hiddenWindow.html ?
301. # [04:54] <@khuey> the document loaded for the hidden window
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310. # [04:59] <njn> khuey: what's the hidden window?
311. # [05:00] <njn> khuey: I'm working on bug 713799 and currently have this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1502715
312. # [05:00] <njn> that's with 2 browser windows open, with 3 tabs spread across them
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314. # [05:01] * njn wants the chrome:// and resource:// window objects to be listed separately...
315. # [05:01] <@khuey> the hidden window is the parent of dialogs that persist when no other windows are open
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317. # [05:01] <@khuey> and of the menu bar on mac
318. # [05:02] <@khuey> AIUI
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320. # [05:02] <njn> khuey: so it's always present?
321. # [05:02] <njn> khuey: I assume the two browser.xul windows in my example are for the two browser windows
322. # [05:02] * njn dislikes the many meanings of "window"
323. # [05:03] <@khuey> yes, the hidden window is always present
324. # [05:03] <@khuey> and yes, browser.xul corresponds to a top-level browser window
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327. # [05:08] <njn> khuey: I guess a window object in the "other" category (as opposed to "active" or "cached) will never have a top window?
328. # [05:08] <@khuey> I think that's correct
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330. # [05:09] <njn> structuring this is an interesting challenge
331. # [05:10] <njn> khuey: any idea in what circumstance a top window will lack an inner window?
332. # [05:10] <@khuey> leaks?
333. # [05:12] <njn> khuey: ok... I havent' seen one that lacks one so far
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336. # [05:13] <@khuey> yeah I wouldn't expect it
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339. # [05:18] <njn> khuey: do you know if the URI of a top window always matches that of its inner? It's true of the cases I've seen so far
340. # [05:21] <njn> actually, I probably don't need to even worry about the topInner window
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342. # [05:26] <@khuey> of it's current inner?
343. # [05:26] <@khuey> I *think* so
344. # [05:27] <@khuey> but there may be subtle gotchas here
345. # [05:27] <@khuey> jst or mrbkap would know
346. # [05:27] <njn> khuey: jst is definitely getting this review
347. # [05:27] <@khuey> heh
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370. # [06:08] <pzhang> #extdev
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377. # [06:19] <gps> achievement unlocked: http://jenkins.gregoryszorc.com:9000/job/mozilla-central-linux-x64-optimized-llvm-tip-tests-xpcshell/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/
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384. # [06:26] <lsumar> does anybody know how scrolling works with respect to the background rendering?
385. # [06:27] <lsumar> more specifically i'm interested in scrollable elements....
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387. # [06:32] * philor looks at kinetik, and at a test_seek.html "Video currentTime should be" failure on inbound, and at kinetik
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394. # [06:58] <jesup> philor: what patch did kinetik land?
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396. # [06:58] <philor> jesup: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8706180542ed
397. # [06:59] <philor> I didn't bother looking at the patch, it would just make my head hurt :)
398. # [06:59] <philor> but that's been in theory fixed on the trunk since Feb 15
399. # [07:01] <jesup> philor: what's the failure? (I'm suspecting the test tested for something not needed for correctness, and/or has a timing issue)
400. # [07:01] <philor> bug 673698
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406. # [07:13] <kanru> hum.. somehow the data-url has different uri.prepath depends on how it is opened
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410. # [07:17] <jesup> philor: I reassigned it to kinetik with appropriate comments. There are timing issues with seeking video streams causing conflicting orange problems.
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412. # [07:18] <philor> kthx
413. # [07:19] <ekw> I attached a patch to the first firefox bug I've tried to fix. I don't have try server access. How should I test it before it gets review? The bug is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724841
414. # [07:24] <kinetik> philor: i'll back part of that patch out.
415. # [07:25] * philor finally actually looks, and sees that even he should have been able to see what happened
416. # [07:26] <lsumar> ekw: i can push it to tryserver for you. i assume you ran make mochitest-plain and make reftests etc...
417. # [07:26] <ekw> lsumar, no I haven't. That's part of my question of what to do next.
418. # [07:27] <ekw> lsumar: so I just run "make mochitext-plain" and "make reftests" from my mozilla-central directory?
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506. # [10:21] <NeilAway> darktrojan: get the coordinates off the popupshowing event, then pass them to getCellAt?
507. # [10:21] <darktrojan> thanks for that answer 7 hours ago, NeilAway :-)
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509. # [10:22] <NeilAway> darktrojan: your fault for asking it 7 hours ago :-P
510. # [10:22] <darktrojan> I don't need to know now
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518. # [10:33] <NeilAway> crap, winlogon page faulted on me
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528. # [10:46] <nigelb> NeilAway: that's a strange error
529. # [10:48] <NeilAway> nigelb: actually it wasn't a typical page fault, but I didn't think to record the exact message (clicking OK causes the PC to reboot...)
530. # [10:49] <nigelb> NeilAway: No, i mean the pyc file causing the error.
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536. # [10:54] <NeilAway> nigelb: oh, right
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586. # [12:19] <cers> I sometimes get flash videos that seem to live too long - that is to say, after I navigate away from the page, the video on it keeps playing, sometimes for minutes
587. # [12:19] <cers> usually happens when I navigate away while the video is loading/initializing
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608. # [12:45] <edmorley> jlebar: had you seen these regressions? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.tree-management/zv0WWPFYJHw
609. # [12:45] <edmorley> also https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.tree-management/Xt47aB7wwSQ
610. # [12:47] <gcp> http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.7/changes.html
611. # [12:47] <gcp> Link time optimization of Firefox now requires 3GB of RAM on a 64-bit system, while over 8GB was needed previously. Linking time has been improved, too. The serial stage of linking Firefox has been sped up by about a factor of 10.
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613. # [12:50] <darktrojan> wtb
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617. # [12:54] <derf> "A string length optimization pass has been added."
618. # [12:55] <derf> __builtin_assume_aligned also sounds great.
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620. # [12:58] <derf> Too bad about the whole graphite thing, though.
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622. # [12:59] <gcp> derf: ?
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624. # [13:00] <derf> They added bugs to the graphite loop optimizations, and the developer who used to maintain them got hired by Qualcomm to add similar optimizations to clang, and was specifically forbidden from committing to GPL projects (e.g., gcc).
625. # [13:00] <derf> So the gcc bugs haven't been fixed.
626. # [13:00] <derf> It miscompiles Opus, for example.
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628. # [13:02] <derf> (this is despite the fact that we reported these bugs to them months ago)
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633. # [13:09] <derf> Oh, I take it back. They just disabled the loop flattening optimizations entirely.
634. # [13:09] <derf> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=50335#c14
635. # [13:09] <derf> Better than shipping something completely busted, I suppose, but still a shame.
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714. # [14:41] <@khuey> I think I just fel an earth quake
715. # [14:41] <@khuey> *felt
716. # [14:41] <bhearsum|buildduty> is that your first one?
717. # [14:41] <@khuey> yeah
718. # [14:44] <bhearsum|buildduty> someone in another channel just reported it too
719. # [14:44] <@khuey> nice
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721. # [14:45] <bhearsum|buildduty> i'm jealous. we've had two tiny quakes here in toronto and i didn't feel either of them
722. # [14:45] <bhearsum|buildduty> 4.3 apparently http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/nc71746766.php
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726. # [14:54] <thinker> khuey: 4.3 can not be a news XD
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734. # [15:00] <@khuey> sinquer: oh, it definitely wasn't a "real" quake ;-)
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745. # [15:07] <glazou> smontagu: ping
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752. # [15:10] <glazou> smontagu: nm
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762. # [15:20] <evilpie> Brain on sanboxing: "My concern is whether I'm missing something here, because it seems like this is something that should have been done years ago." :O
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764. # [15:22] <cers> evilpie: well.. shouldn't it? :-)
765. # [15:22] <evilpie> bug 730956
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768. # [15:24] <cers> that seems like a nice approach
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772. # [15:28] <hsivonen_> the clipboard code is sad
773. # [15:29] <@smaug> sad == old
774. # [15:30] <@smaug> public-html is sad
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776. # [15:31] <hsivonen_> smaug: well, yeah sad == old, but why did Netscape have to do stuff this badly?
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778. # [15:31] <hsivonen_> first one nsIDocumentEncoder autodetects whether it's supposed to become an HTML or plaintext serializer
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780. # [15:31] <hsivonen_> then there's duplicate logic for deciding if it became an HTML serializer
781. # [15:32] <hsivonen_> if it did, the HTML result is converted to plain text, too
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783. # [15:32] <hsivonen_> as opposed to running a plain text conversion from the same input that the HTML serialization came from
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803. # [15:52] <jlebar> edmorley, No, thanks!
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807. # [15:54] <@smaug> hsivonen_: thanks for being active in html-public.
808. # [15:54] <@smaug> I still don't understand why CDM would be any better to current plugins
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812. # [15:56] <hsivonen_> smaug: furthermore, it's unclear if any current DRM vendor is actually interested in developing pluggable CDMs
813. # [15:56] <hsivonen_> smaug: so the pluggability of CDMs might be a way to sell the concept to Mozilla and Opera without anyone truly intending to follow-up with an actual pluggable CDM for any OS
814. # [15:57] <@smaug> yeah
815. # [15:57] <hsivonen_> s/follow-up/follow up/
816. # [16:01] <@smaug> since some CDMs would need to bypass browser's rendering pipeline, I could imagine the difference between plugable CDM and NPAPI would be quite small
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821. # [16:07] <hsivonen_> smaug: a CDM wouldn't need to handle user events. an NPAPI plug-in needs to
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824. # [16:08] <hsivonen_> smaug: but yeah, a pluggable CDM seems to involve re-inventing large parts of NPAPI
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826. # [16:08] <@smaug> hsivonen_: why CDM wouldn't need to handle user events? I would imagine it might need to pass events via CDM rendered part to browser
827. # [16:09] <@smaug> but ok, that is just a minor detail
828. # [16:09] <hsivonen_> smaug: yeah, it would need to get out of the way of events that logically belong to the browser
829. # [16:09] <@smaug> it is just that it has been said in many emails how CDM would be a lot simpler than NPAPI
830. # [16:10] <@smaug> ...and no one has really said why
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839. # [16:18] <hsivonen_> sigh. writing a unit test that checks the exported plain text clipboard flavor isn't going to be fun
840. # [16:18] <hsivonen_> I have no experience with writing that kind of tests
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846. # [16:20] <hsivonen_> hooray. special powers has clipboard access
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852. # [16:21] <jrmuizel> smaug: ping
853. # [16:22] <@smaug> jrmuizel: pong
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856. # [16:23] <jrmuizel> smaug: I'm looking for someone to talk to about SetResolution
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859. # [16:23] <edmorley> jlebar: ok if I backout those csets, so I can do an inbound merge without merging the regression? :-)
860. # [16:23] <jlebar> edmorley, Yes, absolutely!
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862. # [16:23] <jrmuizel> smaug: currently it seems like we only use the value on the top most presShell
863. # [16:24] <jrmuizel> i.e. window.top.setResolution()
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865. # [16:24] <@smaug> and you want probably some layout hacker
866. # [16:25] <jrmuizel> smaug: It's true, layout hackers are a bit hard to find at this time
867. # [16:25] <jrmuizel> though
868. # [16:25] <edmorley> jlebar: I presume the part 0a test fix can stay, just P1-P3 out?
869. # [16:25] <@smaug> bz_sleep should be awake soon
870. # [16:25] <jlebar> edmorley, yes.
871. # [16:25] <jrmuizel> maybe mats knows something
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875. # [16:28] <@smaug> tn might know
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881. # [16:30] <hsivonen_> aargh. the DOM to clipboard HTML serializer omits some nodes that the plain text serializer doesn't omit
882. # [16:30] <hsivonen_> looks like I have to spend more time on this stuff :-(
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884. # [16:31] <jrmuizel> tn: ping
885. # [16:31] <@smaug> hsivonen_: I wouldn't be surprised if the clipboard handling has some hacks for excel and word
886. # [16:31] <jrmuizel> mats: ping
887. # [16:31] <@smaug> cvs blame could be useful to look at
888. # [16:31] <hsivonen_> smaug: it seems to have hacks that aren't even for excel or word
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951. # [17:20] <Yoric> I can't compile m-c under Windows today.
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953. # [17:21] <Yoric> Has anything changed that could cause "No such file or directory" on jsautokw.h?
954. # [17:21] <Yoric> Or could I have caused that by tweaking with my anti-virus?
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958. # [17:22] <nemo> Yoric: hopefully you whitelisted mozilla source :)
959. # [17:23] <Yoric> I _think_ I have :)
960. # [17:23] <nemo> slows down compilation anyway
961. # [17:23] <nemo> Yoric: was amusing. before the workplace got me my nice linux desktop, I had a windows laptop. things built faster in the linux vm
962. # [17:23] <nemo> just due to AV software.
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964. # [17:23] <nemo> (linux vm on the windows machine rather than on the host)
965. # [17:24] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
966. # [17:24] <nemo> well, maybe was other factors related to the OS, but still, VM penalty
967. # [17:24] <nemo> Yoric: hm. there is no jsautokw.h
968. # [17:24] <nemo> Yoric: maybe you need to do a clean rebuild
969. # [17:24] <Yoric> Ok, turned off the anti-virus.
970. # [17:24] <Yoric> Let's try again.
971. # [17:24] <Yoric> I built from clean.
972. # [17:24] <nemo> (ran find in mozilla-central)
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975. # [17:26] <nemo> Alas Yoric|Poor, we barely knew him.
976. # [17:26] <Yoric> Well, I killed my Internet connection on the Windows machine before turning off the AV.
977. # [17:26] <Yoric> Just in case :)
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979. # [17:28] <nemo> huh. I just tried a build again. hadn't done one in a week or so
980. # [17:28] <nemo> and got a build error too. go fig.
981. # [17:28] <nemo> make[8]: *** No rule to make target `../../../xpcom/idl-parser/xpidllex.py', needed by `libs'. Stop.
982. # [17:28] <Yoric> I have seen that one a few days ago.
983. # [17:29] <Yoric> See topic.
984. # [17:29] <nemo> maybe I need to rerun configure?
985. # [17:29] <nemo> oh.
986. # [17:29] <nemo> gotcha
987. # [17:29] <Yoric> Ok, without the anti-virus, js/src builds.
988. # [17:29] <nemo> lovely
989. # [17:29] <Yoric> So it was an AV problem.
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991. # [17:29] <Yoric> Have I mentioned that I deeply dislike working under Windows?
992. # [17:30] <nemo> Yoric: I do all my windows work in VMs these days :)
993. # [17:30] <nemo> Yoric: there's only like a 5-15% performance hit
994. # [17:30] <nemo> in various timings I've done
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996. # [17:30] <Yoric> I just installed a VM laptop because that had a huge temperature hit :)
997. # [17:30] <Yoric> (at the level of my wrists)
998. # [17:31] <nemo> I have like 10 windows VMs in virtualbox now.
999. # [17:31] <nemo> IE6, 7, 8, 9...
1000. # [17:31] <nemo> stupid horrible stuff like clearcase...
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1002. # [17:32] <nemo> huh. make clean seems to take a lot longer than it used to
1003. # [17:33] <nemo> huh. and spawning a ton of processes
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1005. # [17:33] <nemo> make[11220]: Leaving directory `/tmp/ff-objdir-mc/config'
1006. # [17:33] <nemo> make[11219]: *** [clean] Error 2
1007. # [17:33] <nemo> etc etc etc
1008. # [17:34] <nemo> 1000s of those spam
1009. # [17:34] <nemo> do not remember that either
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1013. # [17:35] <nemo> huh. is it in an infinite loop? we are incrementing through pids and it has already hit 8000 - so over 3000 processes...
1014. # [17:36] <nemo> decrementing.
1015. # [17:36] <@khuey> you do know how make works, right? ...
1016. # [17:36] <nemo> yes
1017. # [17:36] <nemo> khuey: I've just never seen this much spam before
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1020. # [17:37] <nemo> khuey: and has taken like 10 minutes
1021. # [17:37] <nemo> perhaps I should have just run an hg purge instead
1022. # [17:37] <@khuey> 10 minutes is unexpected
1023. # [17:37] <nemo> now to make[4200]
1024. # [17:37] <nemo> oh well. guess I'll let it spin its wheels a bit longer
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1028. # [17:40] <Yoric> Last time I did a make clean it took 10-20 minutes (under Windows).
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1036. # [17:44] <jmaher> anybody know why I have a red windows opt build on mozilla-central? the make package failed
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1038. # [17:45] <bhearsum|buildduty> hmmm
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1040. # [17:46] <jmaher> something about a timeout in signing.py
1041. # [17:46] <bhearsum|buildduty> damnit, that's my fault
1042. # [17:46] <bhearsum|buildduty> i was updating the signing servers, i didn't think it would burn anything
1043. # [17:46] <bhearsum|buildduty> rebuilding that should fix you up
1044. # [17:46] <jmaher> ok, let me restart that job
1045. # [17:46] <jmaher> thanks bhearsum|buildduty
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1047. # [17:47] <bhearsum|buildduty> actually, i need to back out, crap :(
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1049. # [17:47] <jmaher> oh :(
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1051. # [17:47] <bhearsum|buildduty> stupid old python versions biting us again
1052. # [17:47] <jmaher> ugh
1053. # [17:48] <jmaher> bhearsum|buildduty: maybe next quarter we will be all on 2.7
1054. # [17:48] <bhearsum|buildduty> heh
1055. # [17:48] <bhearsum|buildduty> we'll see :)
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1057. # [17:51] <bhearsum|buildduty> jmaher: any builds started a few min ago or later should be fine
1058. # [17:51] <bhearsum|buildduty> any windows opt builds started for an hour or so before that will burn though :(
1059. # [17:51] <jmaher> bhearsum|buildduty: ok, I will help keep an eye on it
1060. # [17:52] <bhearsum|buildduty> thanks, and sorry for the trouble
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1081. # [18:04] <AryehGregor> When submitting patches, do I have to worry about whether they need super-review? Or can I just request review, and trust that the reviewer will tell me if I need super-review as well?
1082. # [18:05] <timeless> AryehGregor: super review is mostly dead
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1085. # [18:05] <AryehGregor> Interesting.
1086. # [18:05] <timeless> ideally you can rely on the reviewer to worry about such things
1087. # [18:05] <AryehGregor> The MDN pages don't seem to treat it as dead.
1088. # [18:05] <timeless> certainly if you aren't doing your own pushes
1089. # [18:05] <timeless> then whomever tries to arrange for landings will ensure that they have an sr if one is needed
1090. # [18:05] <AryehGregor> Okay.
1091. # [18:06] <timeless> MDN pages are wikis
1092. # [18:06] <AryehGregor> I know.
1093. # [18:06] <timeless> wikis are more or less out of date by definition :)
1094. # [18:06] <timeless> note that i'm not actively involved in the project at this time, so my info could be wrong :)
1095. # [18:06] <timeless> one easy way to check is to skim TBPL
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1099. # [18:07] <timeless> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml
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1101. # [18:07] <timeless> if you don't see many sr='s
1102. # [18:07] <timeless> then my claim that it's mostly dead is valid :)
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1105. # [18:07] <timeless> (well, expand the collapsed changesets since they matter a lot)
1106. # [18:08] <timeless> for the ~80-100 changesets in that first pushloghtml list (expanded), 'sr=' doesn't appear at all :)
1107. # [18:08] <@smaug> sr isn't dead
1108. # [18:08] <@smaug> it should be used for API changes
1109. # [18:08] <@smaug> for certain kinds of API changes
1110. # [18:08] <timeless> i didn't say "dead", i said "mostly dead"
1111. # [18:09] <@smaug> that is true
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1114. # [18:09] <timeless> :)
1115. # [18:09] <@smaug> more dead than it used to be
1116. # [18:09] <timeless> much more dead than it used to be
1117. # [18:09] <timeless> and mozilla has a terrible track record on reviewing / recognizing api changes anyway
1118. # [18:09] <Ms2ger> We just rely on smaug to review all the specs
1119. # [18:09] <timeless> AryehGregor: feel free to try to find a page that mentions using SR for API changes
1120. # [18:10] <timeless> that use does match my last memory of a discussion on the point
1121. # [18:10] * @smaug can probably only hope that timeless could say in public-html that RIM is strongly against the DRM insanity
1122. # [18:10] <AryehGregor> timeless, I did.
1123. # [18:10] <@smaug> Ms2ger: oh no. I'm way behind reviewing specs
1124. # [18:10] <AryehGregor> One page does say that.
1125. # [18:10] <AryehGregor> I dunno what an API change is, exactly. Is removing RangeException an API change?
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1129. # [18:12] <timeless> yes
1130. # [18:13] <timeless> and fwiw most people don't have a good definition of an api change
1131. # [18:13] <@smaug> AryehGregor: I'd say if the API change is coming from a spec, then no need for sr
1132. # [18:13] <timeless> but in general modifying a publicly used IDL file should be considered an api change
1133. # [18:13] <sheppy> Yes!
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1136. # [18:13] <timeless> the more amusing case is that changing a publicly used XUL / XBL file is an api change
1137. # [18:13] <sheppy> And if a bug does that, stick dev-doc-needd on it!
1138. # [18:13] <timeless> and that's well, more or less all of firefox's ui
1139. # [18:13] <@smaug> AryehGregor: especially if a superreviewer reviews the patch
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1141. # [18:13] <sheppy> Yes!
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1143. # [18:13] <AryehGregor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711047
1144. # [18:13] <timeless> anyway, i think sheppy is arguably the best driver on this point
1145. # [18:14] * AryehGregor was thinking of that
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1148. # [18:14] <timeless> since he's stuck documenting anything that could possibly be covered by the mandate
1149. # [18:14] <timeless> AryehGregor: also, if some pages about SR process don't manage to mention the "for api changes" restriction, poke sheppy to fix them :)
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1152. # [18:14] <sheppy> Or fix them yourself :)
1153. # [18:15] <@smaug> AryehGregor: of course there are cases when superreviewers disagree. like, sicking wants to remove CDATASection asap, I don't
1154. # [18:16] * AryehGregor agrees with sicking :)
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1156. # [18:17] <timeless> sheppy: hard to do if you aren't confident about what hte new rules are :)
1157. # [18:17] * timeless hunts lunch
1158. # [18:17] <sheppy> True. So you should do it, timeless. :)
1159. # [18:17] <timeless> sheppy: sadly i'm not paid to work in realm:mozilla anymore
1160. # [18:17] <@smaug> jesup: "781 tabs across 21 groups in 21 windows " o_O
1161. # [18:18] <timeless> and thus i try not to write emails/bugs to realm:mozilla during work hours
1162. # [18:18] <timeless> smaug: those numbers seem not so uncommon
1163. # [18:18] <sheppy> Fair enough
1164. # [18:18] <timeless> fwiw, i specifically ran a ff x64 in w8 x64 *just* for IRCCloud
1165. # [18:18] <timeless> so that when it crashed, it wouldn't affect my other firefox tabs
1166. # [18:18] <@smaug> timeless: IIRC, average tab count is like 5-10
1167. # [18:18] <timeless> these days, i'm running IRCCloud in chromium
1168. # [18:19] <timeless> so when it crashes, i lose my irccloud tabs and a couple of others
1169. # [18:19] <@smaug> timeless: IRCCloud should work just fine in Firefox
1170. # [18:19] <timeless> (it crashes each weekened)
1171. # [18:19] <@smaug> I have it open all the time
1172. # [18:19] <timeless> smaug: um, no
1173. # [18:19] <@smaug> if no, please file bugs
1174. # [18:19] <timeless> well, it certainly kills chromium over weekends
1175. # [18:19] <@smaug> and please test Nightlies
1176. # [18:19] <timeless> i can't.
1177. # [18:19] <timeless> too risky
1178. # [18:19] <timeless> i'm using nightly
1179. # [18:19] <timeless> i'm using canary too
1180. # [18:19] <timeless> canary is 32bit
1181. # [18:19] <@smaug> (IRCCloud is one of the worst written web app I've seen)
1182. # [18:19] <timeless> and irccloud will run it out of memory
1183. # [18:20] <timeless> (over the weekend)
1184. # [18:20] <timeless> thankfully that only kills the irccloud canary subprocess
1185. # [18:20] <@smaug> ah, yes, it may OOM, because it is just silly web app
1186. # [18:20] <timeless> (which happens to have a few spawned tabs)
1187. # [18:20] <timeless> (e.g. w3c links)
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1190. # [18:21] <timeless> smaug: i'm commenting re: the "let's drop 64bit builds" thread
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1192. # [18:21] <timeless> if you guys drop them, there's absolutely no reason for me to consider nightly for irccloud
1193. # [18:22] <timeless> the reason i'm not using firefox anymore is that w8 ran in a vm which is now under a permanent MITM attack
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1195. # [18:22] <timeless> my laptop doesn't have virtualbox (or memory for it) and its wifi isn't subject to the MITM
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1197. # [18:22] <timeless> so i run irccloud from there
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1199. # [18:22] <@smaug> timeless: which 64bits are we dropping?
1200. # [18:22] <timeless> smaug: win64
1201. # [18:22] <timeless> you aren't reading one of the mozilla newsgroups
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1203. # [18:23] <timeless> mdplanning?
1204. # [18:23] * @smaug doesn't really care about win64
1205. # [18:23] <timeless> obviously :)
1206. # [18:23] <timeless> anyway, lunch time
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1208. # [18:24] <gcp> I had the impression there was a lot of backlash against dropping win64
1209. # [18:24] <gcp> I only really see Asa arguing in favor of it right now
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1232. # [18:40] <sheppy> Hey, so, I just wanted to say I updated Aurora on my Boot Camp partition running Windows 7, and was blown away by the quick startup. Nice work!
1233. # [18:41] <brahmana|web> Ok, why would FF (10.0.2 on Win 7) suddenly start deleting the sessionstore.js contents? I tried copying sessionstore.bak as sessionstore.js, but at startup FF would delete it all, replacing the 540KB file with a 1KB one.
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1235. # [18:42] <sheppy> Sounds like it got corrupted maybe?
1236. # [18:42] <sheppy> I usually go to an older backup when that happens to me.
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1238. # [18:42] <drice> biesi: ping?
1239. # [18:42] <biesi> drice, pong
1240. # [18:43] <brahmana|web> umm...the older one here sessionstore-1.js is from october'2011.. !! :(
1241. # [18:43] <drice> biesi: I'm not really sure what's going on with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=732363 , but I proposed removing my test case until I can figure it out
1242. # [18:43] <drice> Is that reasonable or should I ask for the whole change to be backed out?
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1245. # [18:44] <nemo> khuey|away: decided to run it one more time just to see
1246. # [18:44] <nemo> make[15912]: vfork: Cannot allocate memory
1247. # [18:44] <biesi> drice, will comment in the bug
1248. # [18:44] <nemo> geez. firefox make clean has gone insane
1249. # [18:44] <nemo> I'm sticking to hg purge from now on :-p
1250. # [18:44] <biesi> drice, disabling it just on windows seems better to me
1251. # [18:44] <drice> Do you understand why its happening??
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1254. # [18:45] <drice> I must be making some incorrect assumption w.r.t. concurrency expectations / socket connections.
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1265. # [18:51] <drice> biesi: should I replace it with a todo_check failure or just stub the whole thing out on windows? I'm assuming I should do this within the js, not in the makefile / xpcshell.ini.
1266. # [18:51] <drice> actually, I'll just use the skip-if thing in xpcshell.init
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1268. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> bjacob, yeah, JSAPI doesn't do much const
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1270. # [18:52] <biesi> drice, sorry, haven't looked at it enough to understand why it's happening. skip-if sounds best if that works
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1272. # [18:52] <drice> That's fine. My problem to solve :)
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1277. # [18:54] <bjacob> Ms2ger: :-(
1278. # [18:54] <bjacob> Ms2ger: that's consterning
1279. # [18:54] <Waldo> I see what you did there
1280. # [18:54] * glob|away is now known as glob
1281. # [18:54] <Ms2ger> Also, you should move back to France if you wanted to be nearer to my timezone
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1283. # [18:55] <Ms2ger> Waldo, dammit, I didn't at first
1284. # [18:55] <Ms2ger> jmaher, more red
1285. # [18:55] <bjacob> Ms2ger: i think that's the biggest clue about your real identity you ever gave away
1286. # [18:55] <jmaher> bjacob++
1287. # [18:55] <Ms2ger> I rather doubt that, in fact
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1289. # [18:56] <Waldo> although I think you wanted either consternating, or causing consternation
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1291. # [18:56] <bjacob> Waldo: thanks :) i'm only getting started with puns in english
1292. # [18:56] <jmaher> Ms2ger: yeah, that build was kicked off before bhearsum|buildduty reverted the change
1293. # [18:56] <Waldo> \o/
1294. # [18:56] * jmaher retriggered
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1296. # [18:56] <Waldo> more of us!
1297. # [18:57] <Waldo> espindola: ping?
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1299. # [18:57] <espindola> Waldo: ping
1300. # [18:57] <espindola> sorry, missed you ping during the weekend
1301. # [18:57] <espindola> s/ping/pong/
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1304. # [19:00] <Waldo> espindola: should http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1503626 compile or not? gcc compiles it, clang doesn't, I'm not familiar enough with the spec enough to say
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1307. # [19:02] <Waldo> or even http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1503628 to get rid of the pointless size_t stuff
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1309. # [19:03] <espindola> Waldo: I am not sure, but the clang error message could be a lot better in this case :-(
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1311. # [19:03] <Waldo> quite possibly, if it should be an error :-)
1312. # [19:03] <edmorley> smaug: you realise 50% of our Windows nightly users are Win64 Nightly builds, right? (mega-scrollback-tastic I know)
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1314. # [19:04] <Waldo> you think it's reasonable to let cfe-dev (or commits?) triage it?
1315. # [19:04] <@smaug> edmorley: I just meant I don't personally care about Win64
1316. # [19:04] <@smaug> I have other things to care about more
1317. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> Specs to review...
1318. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> Mutation listeners...
1319. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> DocsHell...
1320. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> ;)
1321. # [19:04] <@smaug> huh, listeners?
1322. # [19:05] <@smaug> observers
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1324. # [19:05] <Ms2ger> Whatever :)
1325. # [19:05] * Ms2ger goes back to "mutation stuff"
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1328. # [19:06] <espindola> Waldo: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1503631
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1331. # [19:06] <espindola> changing the commented line makes it pass
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1334. # [19:06] <espindola> so at least we know it is really just about the delete
1335. # [19:06] <edmorley> smaug: yeah understandable, I just think as a collective we're all too eager (myself/other sheriffs included) to throw it under the bus, when over 50% of nightly users are on it (even if they shouldn't be)
1336. # [19:06] <espindola> but this is the first time I see it being used in a template :-)
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1340. # [19:06] <espindola> so I would have to go read the spec
1341. # [19:07] <espindola> Waldo: you might be able to ask in #llvm
1342. # [19:07] <espindola> (oftc)
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1345. # [19:08] <gabor> who knows more about the postMessage implementation? it looks like from a sandbox I cannot post messages to any window, I guess it is not working since the global of the sandbox is not a window, but I also guess it should be possible to make it work...
1346. # [19:09] <Waldo> gabor: you mean like Components.util.createSandbox or whichever?
1347. # [19:09] <gabor> Waldo: exatly... we use sandboxes like that for jetpack addons quite a lot...
1348. # [19:10] <Waldo> gabor: so, postMessage requires the message sender have an associated URI to attach to the dispatched event, and a source window as well
1349. # [19:10] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
1350. # [19:10] <Waldo> gabor: sandboxes let you specify the URI, as I recall
1351. # [19:10] <Waldo> gabor: are you specifying one that's sensible here?
1352. # [19:11] <gabor> Waldo: so the URI is the same for the sandbox as the window as I recall it
1353. # [19:11] <josh> Anyone here have access to a Win2K machine?
1354. # [19:12] <@khuey> josh: what do you need it for?
1355. # [19:12] <gabor> Waldo: but the source window is more of a problem... since sandboxes do not have any... on the other hand, I think it should be possible to send messages without that, am I wrong?
1356. # [19:12] <Ms2ger> josh, Serge, maybe? :)
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1358. # [19:13] <edmorley> Ms2ger: ha, beat me to it :-)
1359. # [19:13] <Waldo> gabor: theoretically we could pretend and just set it to null...maybe...
1360. # [19:13] <Ms2ger> Also, good day, edmorley :)
1361. # [19:13] <Waldo> it's been awhile since I looked at the implementation seriously
1362. # [19:13] <josh> khuey: confirming a bug
1363. # [19:13] <edmorley> Ms2ger: and likewise :-)
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1366. # [19:13] <@khuey> josh: it's worth noting that win 2k isn't supported on trunk anymore
1367. # [19:13] <gabor> khuey: what do you think? I think we did something like this for the windowless indexeddb... or that was different?
1368. # [19:14] <@khuey> gabor: I have no idea what the context is
1369. # [19:14] <@khuey> what are we talking about?
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1372. # [19:15] <gabor> khuey: sorry... let me restart
1373. # [19:15] <gabor> khuey: so I'm trying to use the postMessage function from a sandbox, to send messages to some window
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1375. # [19:15] <@khuey> gabor: ok
1376. # [19:16] <gabor> khuey: and it's failing, and I think it is because the global of the sandbox is not a window, and as Waldo pointed it out we need a source window for postMessage
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1379. # [19:17] <@khuey> ok
1380. # [19:17] <gabor> do you think setting it to null as Waldo guesed, could work? or do you know if there's an easy way to fix this problem?
1381. # [19:17] * Waldo notes that he's not sure whether just setting to null is really a good idea, semantically
1382. # [19:17] <@khuey> well, making it work without a window is easy
1383. # [19:17] <timeless> gcp: that's really the wrong way to look at it
1384. # [19:17] <Waldo> it'd kind of be a hackaround
1385. # [19:17] <@khuey> the tricky part is what the security implications are
1386. # [19:18] <timeless> if mozlila has only a million users (it has many more)
1387. # [19:18] <Ms2ger> <b>Semantics?!</b>
1388. # [19:18] <timeless> and even a thousand users complain about something
1389. # [19:18] <Waldo> khuey: we substitute null in if a chrome page posts to a webpage, so I think that's understood
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1391. # [19:18] <Waldo> Ms2ger: quiet, you
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1394. # [19:18] <timeless> then you're talking about 1‰ of the userbase
1395. # [19:18] <timeless> which is tiny
1396. # [19:18] <gabor> khuey: right...
1397. # [19:19] <Ms2ger> Waldo, :'(
1398. # [19:19] <timeless> the number of people complaining about it isn't anywhere near 1000
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1400. # [19:19] <timeless> and the number of users of firefox is much larger than 1 million
1401. # [19:19] <timeless> so proportionally, it's a really tiny number of people complaining
1402. # [19:19] <timeless> gcp: does that make sense?
1403. # [19:19] <timeless> gcp: anyway. asa is mostly responsible for analyzing needs and engineer resources
1404. # [19:19] * armenzg_lunch is now known as armenzg
1405. # [19:19] <timeless> and helping select priorities
1406. # [19:20] <timeless> afaict asa has determined that there are other more pressing requirements than 64bit for windows
1407. # [19:20] <gabor> khuey: but shouldn't the principal be used for security check?
1408. # [19:20] <timeless> or perhaps put slightly differently, to get 64bit for windows would cost too many engineering resources way too much time
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1410. # [19:20] <timeless> which would thus hurt/delay way too many other tasks which need to be accomplished
1411. # [19:20] <timeless> gcp: does that make sense?
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1414. # [19:21] <@khuey> gabor: well, we're grabbing the principal from the window
1415. # [19:21] <@khuey> gabor: we can do this, it just needs very careful review
1416. # [19:21] <timeless> i'm not saying i'm a fan of dropping win64, obviously my complaints to smaug before lunch indicate i'm not a fan
1417. # [19:21] <timeless> but i certainly understand asa's perspective
1418. # [19:21] <timeless> and think that people who read newsgroups don't understand the concept of a "silent majority"
1419. # [19:21] <timeless> the silent majority: a. doesn't care. b. doesn't need it
1420. # [19:22] <timeless> and some of the people who need 64bit firefox could be satisfied by other solutions
1421. # [19:22] <gabor> khuey: right... I will try to digg into this problem, at least you are not saying it's impossible, that's a good news to start with...
1422. # [19:22] <eeejay> if i had to create some javascript bits for accessibility, where should it be? a module? in chrome/toolkit? a component?
1423. # [19:22] <eeejay> is there the new "right way"?
1424. # [19:22] <timeless> e.g. my irccloud requirement could be met by porting a feature from Fennec: content processes (roughly "per tab browsers")
1425. # [19:22] <eeejay> and a legacy way?
1426. # [19:22] <timeless> if i had that, i'd have the same ability i have today in Chrome Canary
1427. # [19:23] <Ms2ger> Heh
1428. # [19:23] <timeless> i'd get ~2gb just for my ircclient, and when it crashes, i'd still have all my other firefox tabs
1429. # [19:23] <@khuey> gabor: nsGlobalWindow::PostMessageMoz is the place to start
1430. # [19:23] <Ms2ger> You know we took e10s behind the shed, right?
1431. # [19:23] <timeless> (which is what i have in chrome canary today)
1432. # [19:23] <@khuey> gabor: this is a fairly small bit of code
1433. # [19:23] <timeless> Ms2ger: i kind of figured you had
1434. # [19:23] <Waldo> espindola: asking there now
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1436. # [19:23] <timeless> but it was a rather quiet affair
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1439. # [19:23] <timeless> which is pretty amazing
1440. # [19:24] <timeless> given how noisy 64bit has been
1441. # [19:24] <timeless> and how much more valuable e10s is than 64bit
1442. # [19:24] <timeless> 64bit can be added more or less at any time, and requires way more resources than e10s
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1444. # [19:24] <timeless> plus, if you had e10s working well
1445. # [19:24] <timeless> then getting 64bit browser->32bit plugin hosting
1446. # [19:24] <timeless> would be easier to do
1447. # [19:25] <timeless> and thus having e10s is an *enabler* for 64bit browser
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1450. # [19:25] <gabor> khuey++
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1452. # [19:25] <jmaher> bhearsum|buildduty: do you think my second win opt build on mozilla-central is using the bad signing.py bits?
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1457. # [19:27] <edmorley> Morning bholley :-)
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1459. # [19:27] <bhearsum|buildduty> jmaher: looks like the same error yeah
1460. # [19:27] <bholley> edmorley: g'morning
1461. # [19:27] <bhearsum|buildduty> let me see what rev of the tools repo it got...
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1463. # [19:27] <bhearsum|buildduty> if it was started pre-backout i'm not surprised
1464. # [19:28] <jmaher> bhearsum|buildduty: I could have retriggered it too fast
1465. # [19:28] * Ms2ger waves at bholley
1466. # [19:28] <bhearsum|buildduty> yeah, i suspect that's what happened
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1469. # [19:29] <Ms2ger> What's array.push() in python?
1470. # [19:29] <Ms2ger> jmaher, ^
1471. # [19:30] <cers> wasn't there once a font-tool to the inspector?
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1474. # [19:30] <bhearsum|buildduty> jmaher: yeah, looks like it was one revision short of getting the backout
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1476. # [19:30] <jmaher> Ms2ger: I thought it was array.append(), not push
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1478. # [19:31] <bhearsum|buildduty> jmaher: one more rebuild should fix it :)
1479. # [19:31] <Ms2ger> jmaher, well, I know it's not push
1480. # [19:31] <Ms2ger> jmaher, also, [] is falsy?
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1482. # [19:31] <jhammel> Ms2ger: yes, as God intended
1483. # [19:31] <jmaher> Ms2ger: are you reviewing my patches or something
1484. # [19:31] <Ms2ger> Ta
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1486. # [19:33] <Ms2ger> No, writing my own python
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1488. # [19:34] <Ms2ger> Now, should I test this before pushing?
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1493. # [19:36] <jhammel> your own python? i should say so
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1561. # [20:06] <rillian> jlebar: file a bug and let them find you?
1562. # [20:06] <jlebar> rillian, Bug is already filed, they haven't responded in a week.
1563. # [20:06] <jlebar> I'd like to ping someone.
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1565. # [20:07] <rillian> ah. do you mean m-c or something else?
1566. # [20:07] <jlebar> rillian, tryserver
1567. # [20:07] <jlebar> * L1 access.
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1570. # [20:08] <kwierso> jlebar: is it currently assigned to server-ops@?
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1574. # [20:09] <jlebar> kwierso, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728406 yes
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1580. # [20:10] <kwierso> jlebar: hrm, erica and marcia are the only people that were involved in my access bugs
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1585. # [20:11] <jlebar> kwierso, I'll ping marcia.
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1605. # [20:23] <rail> khuey: thanks!
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1622. # [20:28] <AryehGregor> dbaron, do you still think we should only stop accepting lengths in matrix() when we unprefix? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719054#c1
1623. # [20:28] * AryehGregor has a patch to submit, if not
1624. # [20:28] <AryehGregor> I mean, it's attached, I just need to request review.
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1629. # [20:29] <@dbaron> AryehGregor, I still think that if we do it it should match when we unprefix, ye
1630. # [20:29] <@dbaron> s
1631. # [20:29] <AryehGregor> Well, okay.
1632. # [20:29] <AryehGregor> Doesn't make a big difference to me. Causes a few test failures.
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1636. # [20:30] <AryehGregor> dbaron, any opinion on <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=732153>?
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1638. # [20:30] <@dbaron> AryehGregor, we should probably do it
1639. # [20:30] <Optimizer> I am having trouble building the latest mozilla-central code on Windows
1640. # [20:30] <AryehGregor> Okay, sounds good to me.
1641. # [20:30] <Optimizer> can anyone help ?
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1643. # [20:31] <@dolske> Optimizer: have you followed https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Simple_build ?
1644. # [20:31] <Optimizer> yes
1645. # [20:31] <@dolske> what's the error?
1646. # [20:32] <Optimizer> I want to disable ANGLE, thus created a .mozconfig file in the source directory with the line to disable it
1647. # [20:32] <Optimizer> still while building it is giving error that directx sdk needed for ANGLE
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1649. # [20:33] <@dolske> why are you disabling ANGLE? does it build without doing so?
1650. # [20:33] <Optimizer> no
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1653. # [20:33] <Optimizer> I cannot download directx sdk as of now (internet issues)
1654. # [20:33] <Optimizer> thats why I am disabling angle
1655. # [20:34] <Mook_as> Optimizer: does it talk about picking up options from your .mozconfig during configure?
1656. # [20:34] <Optimizer> does what talk about ?
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1661. # [20:35] <jesup> Hmmpf. Windows builds locally failing because mspdb80.dll not found (during configure)
1662. # [20:35] <Optimizer> Mook_as: , dolske: here is the message that pops : http://mibpaste.com/D8tAKD
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1664. # [20:36] <Mook_as> Optimizer: yeah, it doesn't seem to be picking up your .mozconfig - what's its full path?
1665. # [20:36] <hsivonen_> Is the weekly updates app taking forever to load just for me or for everyone?
1666. # [20:37] <@dolske> also, what's the contents of your mozconfig?
1667. # [20:37] <jrmuizel> ehsan: ping
1668. # [20:37] <Optimizer> my mercurial is set up in the path : J:/Mozilla/mozilla-central/
1669. # [20:37] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: hey
1670. # [20:37] <Optimizer> and .mozconfig is in mozilla-central directory
1671. # [20:37] <jrmuizel> ehsan: why did you request review from me?
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1673. # [20:38] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: because you were available, and you owe me reviews :)
1674. # [20:38] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: is that fine?
1675. # [20:38] <jrmuizel> yes
1676. # [20:38] <Optimizer> my mozillabuild is installed in folder j:/Mozilla/mozilla-build/
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1678. # [20:38] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: thanks!
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1680. # [20:38] <jrmuizel> r+
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1683. # [20:39] <@dolske> Optimizer: can you mibpaste your mozconfig contents?
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1685. # [20:40] <Optimizer> dolske: here http://mibpaste.com/m4sNj1
1686. # [20:40] <Mook_as> Optimizer: can you run `ls -la /j/mozilla/mozilla-central/.*mozconf*` and paste the output?
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1688. # [20:40] <jbuck> --disable-webgl as well, maybe?
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1690. # [20:40] <Optimizer> I used the content provided in the mdn page at the end
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1694. # [20:41] <Mook_as> (I don't think the content matters right now, since configure isn't reporting that it's using them)
1695. # [20:41] <gcp> . $topsrcdir/browser/config/mozconfig
1696. # [20:42] <Optimizer> Mook_as: run it in which command prompt ?
1697. # [20:42] <gcp> does that work if its the first line?
1698. # [20:42] <Optimizer> python ?
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1700. # [20:42] <Mook_as> Optimizer: same place you're running python
1701. # [20:42] <Optimizer> ok
1702. # [20:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c3df91335864 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 733058 - merge-dictionaries uses the system locale for sort order; r=jrmuizel
1703. # [20:43] <@dolske> Mook_as: why do you say it's not picking it up?
1704. # [20:43] <Optimizer> do i need to add * before and after mozconfig ?
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1709. # [20:45] <Optimizer> mook_as: http://mibpaste.com/CnSUz3
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1715. # [20:49] <timeless> smaug: on the topic of that headache
1716. # [20:49] <timeless> the first thing that comes to mind is that there's an entire WG for this area
1717. # [20:49] <timeless> and the fact that they aren't sending proposals to that WG
1718. # [20:50] <timeless> is totally BOGUS
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1723. # [20:52] <timeless> Mook_as: from memory angle required you to disable two things
1724. # [20:53] <timeless> otherwise it ignored your --disable
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1726. # [20:53] <gcp> --disable-angle used to just work without more
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1728. # [20:54] <timeless> jbuck's suggestion is what comes to mind
1729. # [20:54] <Mook_as> dolske: because it's not showing up in the configure spam in http://mibpaste.com/D8tAKD
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1731. # [20:55] <timeless> but, the build output doesn't seem to be showing it loading .mozconfig at all
1732. # [20:55] <Optimizer> ok I think I got it, reinstalled mozillabuild, and it is working fine now
1733. # [20:55] <Optimizer> how long does the build process takes ?
1734. # [20:55] <timeless> totally depends on your computer
1735. # [20:55] <timeless> disk speed, available ram, cpu count,...
1736. # [20:55] <Optimizer> i7 extreme 4gb ram , enough disk space
1737. # [20:55] <@dolske> Mook_as: oooooh. I guess it does normally show up there.
1738. # [20:55] <gcp> 30 - 45 minutes?
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1741. # [20:56] <timeless> Optimizer: you don't have 4gb of *available* ram
1742. # [20:56] <gcp> without pymake, prolly more
1743. # [20:56] <timeless> keep in mind that it's really *available* not "total" which matters
1744. # [20:56] <Optimizer> no, around 2.5/4 is being consumed right now while the build process is going on
1745. # [20:57] <timeless> that said, i'd trust gcp 's estimate
1746. # [20:57] <timeless> (or at least accept it as a reasonable estimate)
1747. # [20:57] <Optimizer> hmm
1748. # [20:57] <gcp> does -j4 even work without pymake btw?
1749. # [20:57] <timeless> gcp: it used to
1750. # [20:57] <Optimizer> i am using pymake
1751. # [20:57] <timeless> more or less
1752. # [20:58] <Optimizer> on windows it was suggested to use pymake
1753. # [20:58] <Optimizer> in the mdn page
1754. # [20:58] <gcp> yeah
1755. # [20:58] <gcp> pymake makes it quite a bit faster
1756. # [20:58] <Mossop> timeless: Except for when it hung your machine halfway through the build
1757. # [20:58] <@dolske> it can cause random failures for some people during the build (non-pymake, windows)
1758. # [20:58] <kwierso> Optimizer: sounds like I have a similar computer to yours (I have 8GB RAM, though). my builds are around 20-30 minutes
1759. # [20:59] <@dolske> I think pymake won't pick that up from MOZ_MAKE_FLAGS in your mozconfig, though.
1760. # [20:59] <Optimizer> whats the difference in 4gb and 8gb if only 2.5 is being used (that too in total by all runnig programs)
1761. # [20:59] <kwierso> the build process can use > 3GB of RAM
1762. # [20:59] <gcp> especially at link time
1763. # [20:59] <Optimizer> ok, waiting for the spike
1764. # [21:00] <jbuck> timeless: it's been blocked from working now, if you're on Windows using -jN with gmake on a SMP machine, then the compile process bails out early
1765. # [21:00] <jbuck> and tells you to use pymake
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1768. # [21:02] <Optimizer> can I trasnfer the mozilla folder (containing both source code from mozilla-central and the installation folder for mozillabuild) to any other computer with visual c++ and other requirements and directly start building ? (without updating anything other than pulling the latest code from mc)
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1771. # [21:02] <mak> dolske: I think it picks up MOZ_MAKE_FLAGS
1772. # [21:02] <jlebar> Optimizer, That may not work. Our build may care about absolute paths.
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1774. # [21:03] <jlebar> Optimizer, If you want to do that, VMs are much safer.
1775. # [21:03] <Optimizer> oh
1776. # [21:03] <jlebar> Or you can put everything in the same absolute path and hope it works. :-/
1777. # [21:03] <Optimizer> then i need to reinstall mozillabuild ?
1778. # [21:03] <timeless> Mossop: nice
1779. # [21:03] <timeless> jbuck: clearly i don't build mozilla these days :)
1780. # [21:04] <timeless> (actually i have a QNX env where i was trying to build mozilla)
1781. # [21:04] <Optimizer> its just that i don't want to download the whole source code again when I move back to my hostel room
1782. # [21:04] <Mook_as> Optimizer: you can do a hg clone between your two machines? :)
1783. # [21:04] <jlebar> Optimizer, You should be able to copy the src directory.
1784. # [21:04] <Optimizer> hmm
1785. # [21:04] <Mook_as> (but yes, just copying the source tree works too, just not the object tree)
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1796. # [21:13] <Optimizer> mook_as, dolske, jlebar, gcp : thanks guys for your help
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1806. # [21:19] <jesup> smaug: Other people have 1000+ tabs - and I'll keep this session running for weeks; I'm limited by eventual memory space growth as the number of loaded tabs slowly goes up (and things leak). But in this case, I only had 29 tabs loaded across 21 windows! ;-)
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1835. # [21:34] <dholbert> ttaubert, ping?
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1839. # [21:37] <ttaubert> dholbert: hi
1840. # [21:37] <dholbert> ttaubert, RE https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640443#c12
1841. # [21:38] <dholbert> ttaubert, why doesn't the block element adjust to the window size there? (if you put style="width:100%; height:100%" on it)
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1844. # [21:39] <ttaubert> dholbert: probably because its parent is a <xul:window>
1845. # [21:39] <dholbert> ah, so by window you meant <xul:window>, not browser-window?
1846. # [21:39] <ttaubert> dholbert: bug 394078
1847. # [21:39] <ttaubert> yeah, right
1848. # [21:39] <ttaubert> it's a xul page
1849. # [21:40] <dholbert> ttaubert, gotcha
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1884. # [21:58] <dholbert> ttaubert, I don't see any xul:window in http://people.mozilla.com/~shorlander/files/new-tab-prototype-i03/new-tab-prototype-i03.html -- looks like it's all HTML (albeit with some CSS for -moz-box / -moz-grid)
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1888. # [21:59] <dholbert> ttaubert, is this from a different prototype? Or perhaps if the latest prototype is more HTML-ish, a wrapper block would work after all?
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1891. # [22:00] <AryehGregor> Do we have any way of regression-testing performance of animated content, like the fps of transitions/animations/video/etc.?
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1894. # [22:00] <philor> espindola: looks like the updater service is extremely unhappy about an optimized NSPR
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1896. # [22:00] <espindola> philor: :-(
1897. # [22:01] <espindola> found a compiler bug?
1898. # [22:01] <espindola> what was broken by it?
1899. # [22:01] <espindola> note that we were optimizing
1900. # [22:01] <espindola> just not when someone passed --enable-optimized=-Ofoo
1901. # [22:01] <philor> espindola: 14 xpcshell failures, all three flavors of windows, on your push
1902. # [22:01] * espindola looks
1903. # [22:02] <philor> unless we've been skipping building Windows a lot, and you picked up some push a ways back
1904. # [22:02] <espindola> philor: not sure I follow, the very next push is green
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1907. # [22:03] <philor> interesting
1908. # [22:04] <philor> I almost never look at anything but https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&onlyunstarred=1, sort of colors my view of things
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1910. # [22:05] <philor> so we built two separate builds which hit the same set of failures, 20 minutes apart, and only on one push
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1913. # [22:06] <espindola> philor: in that build we use --enable-optimize
1914. # [22:07] <espindola> so the patch should be a nop...
1915. # [22:07] <espindola> really strange
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1921. # [22:10] <philor> bbondy: update/test_svc/ doesn't do something unseemly like hit the network, does it?
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1938. # [22:16] <bbondy> philor: does not
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1941. # [22:17] <bbondy> philor: not of my knowing
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1944. # [22:18] <philor> I'm out of wild guesses for "unknown set of failures across two builds and multiple slaves only on one push" then
1945. # [22:18] <espindola> one of the "hidden" repos?
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1947. # [22:19] <espindola> like, anything not m-c but still used in build?
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1950. # [22:23] <philor> oh, there's a crapload of the same set of failures on mozilla-central
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1954. # [22:24] <philor> before and after the red Win builds that say they were red because the signing servers were being updated
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1961. # [22:28] <philor> bbondy: this is when you're supposed to remind me that this set of failures is the set from bug 718922, and that I should be talking to bhearsum|buildduty rather than to you
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1963. # [22:28] <bbondy> philor: I didn't know that last message was for me
1964. # [22:29] <philor> bhearsum|buildduty: which bug was that, or what time was it, when you killed something from puppet that sounded sort of updater service related?
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1969. # [22:30] <bbondy> signing servers | service work (detached)
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1971. # [22:30] <bhearsum|buildduty> philor: i, uh....?
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1973. # [22:31] <philor> bhearsum|buildduty: confused memory of what was in bug 730400 comment 3
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1978. # [22:33] <bbondy> ping me if you need me btw not reading chat
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1980. # [22:34] <philor> bhearsum|buildduty: we're getting the same set of failures as bug 718922, which apparently were the result of failing to sign the Windows builds
1981. # [22:34] <bhearsum|buildduty> ah
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1984. # [22:34] <bbondy> philor: can you link me to the failure in question? I can check if the build is signed or not
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1989. # [22:34] <bbondy> if that woul help
1990. # [22:35] <bbondy> *would
1991. # [22:35] <philor> bbondy: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9829220&tree=Firefox for the xpcshell run, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9828832&tree=Firefox for the build it was running
1992. # [22:35] <ttaubert> dholbert: a wrapper block? what do you mean exactly?
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1994. # [22:36] <dholbert> ttaubert, wrapping the whole grid in a block element, like you mentioned in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640443#c12
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1996. # [22:37] <dholbert> ttaubert, maybe I'm misunderstanding -- I was pointing out that http://people.mozilla.com/~shorlander/files/new-tab-prototype-i03/new-tab-prototype-i03.html doesn't have a <xul:window>, but maybe it will have one once it's actually converted into an about: page?
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2001. # [22:39] <ttaubert> dholbert: oh yeah sorry, I'm already converting it to be the new about:newtab layout
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2003. # [22:40] <ttaubert> dholbert: there it's wrapped in a xul:window for numerous reasons
2004. # [22:40] <dholbert> darn, ok
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2011. # [22:41] <bbondy> philor bhearsum|buildduty the binaries for the build philor linked me to is signed by "My Company Ltd". Should be the Nightly cert though.
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2013. # [22:42] <bbondy> Issuer Mozilla Fake CA
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2016. # [22:42] <bbondy> so 16002 is expected in that case
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2021. # [22:46] <Callek> mfinkle: ping
2022. # [22:47] <Callek> basically "any native mobile driver, ping"
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2028. # [22:53] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, re: perf testing animations, I doubt we have that specifically
2029. # [22:54] <Ms2ger> We've got various talos tests that may or may not test something relevant
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2032. # [22:56] <tn> i doubt talos tests css animations or transitions or requestAnimateFrame
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2035. # [22:59] <AryehGregor> I looked at some bugs that reported FPS problems in various things and none of the checkins seemed to have any kind of regression test.
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2037. # [23:01] <gavin> Enn: do you know offhand what handles drops of URIs on the content area?
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2039. # [23:02] <tn> AryehGregor, we don't have an easy-to-add-to performance regression test suite
2040. # [23:03] <AryehGregor> Right, it looked that way.
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2044. # [23:04] <tn> i think chrome has one for horrible regressions (2x or more maybe), but it won't catch smaller movements
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2046. # [23:04] <Enn> gavin: depends, but usually various callers to contentAreaDropListener.js
2047. # [23:04] <AryehGregor> Right, there will be too much noise to catch small movements.
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2049. # [23:05] <gavin> Enn: yeah just found those
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2057. # [23:07] <Enn> gavin: most relevant is probably the callers in the <browser> binding
2058. # [23:07] <gavin> Enn: do you know offhand whether the nsDocShellTreeOwner::HandleEvent() code is relevant to firefox?
2059. # [23:08] <gavin> I don't know whether AddChromeListeners gets called for firefox
2060. # [23:08] <Enn> think thats for embedded cases if I recall correctly
2061. # [23:08] <Enn> so no
2062. # [23:08] <gavin> yeah that's what I was hoping
2063. # [23:08] <gavin> ok
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2082. # [23:20] <Callek> anyone know if qimportbz can use my bugzilla perms so I can import a sec bug?
2083. # [23:21] <Ms2ger> I don't think so
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2087. # [23:23] <Callek> oooo actually patch already landed in another repo, I can just import off of raw-rev from hgweb :-)
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2112. # [23:39] <gavin> who works on the gecko profiler besides ehsan?
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2116. # [23:41] <@ehsan> gavin: BenWa mostly wrote it, jeff has also contributed
2117. # [23:41] <gavin> ok
2118. # [23:41] <@ehsan> gavin: what do you wanna know?
2119. # [23:41] <gavin> I'll just CC toronto-all
2120. # [23:41] <@ehsan> heh, ok
2121. # [23:41] <@ehsan> gavin: be warned that I'm not reading my bugmail though ;)
2122. # [23:42] <gavin> oh, well then my CC wasn't very useful
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2124. # [23:42] <@ehsan> gavin: what's the bug #?
2125. # [23:42] <@dbaron> cc: toronto-all on a bug abotu a profiler?
2126. # [23:42] <BenWa> gavin: We're still working on it so that's why we haven't announced it at large yet
2127. # [23:42] <BenWa> We want to fix a few issues first
2128. # [23:42] <BenWa> We have a profiler component
2129. # [23:42] <gavin> BenWa, ehsan: bug 733148
2130. # [23:42] <Waldo> Callek: <3 raw-rev
2131. # [23:43] <Callek> of course "even better" was the fact that trying to qpush after raw-rev import failed, it was already pushed
2132. # [23:43] <gavin> BenWa, ehsan: that seems like something that would need profiler support, plus a couple minor front-end changes (key combo, submission UI)
2133. # [23:44] <@ehsan> gavin: indeed
2134. # [23:44] <BenWa> gavin: I'll take a look, with the mobile push the profiler is underresources for now
2135. # [23:44] <gavin> understood
2136. # [23:44] <BenWa> we're hoping to come back to it asap but it will be a bit
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2138. # [23:44] <@ehsan> gavin: we also need some UI love
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2140. # [23:44] <@ehsan> from a front-end hacker
2141. # [23:44] <gavin> for the profiler?
2142. # [23:45] <@ehsan> yes
2143. # [23:45] <gavin> like what?
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2145. # [23:45] <@ehsan> gavin: the UI is written in html, it shows stack traces etc
2146. # [23:45] <@ehsan> and it could use some improvements
2147. # [23:45] <@ehsan> but nobody has had time to work on it
2148. # [23:46] <@ehsan> BenWa has a java UI which is more complete
2149. # [23:46] <@ehsan> but it's java ;)
2150. # [23:46] <jhammel> heh
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2152. # [23:46] <gavin> it seems to me like remote/aggregate reporting is more important than working on improving the UI for individual use by developers
2153. # [23:47] <@ehsan> gavin: they can be orthogonal
2154. # [23:47] <BenWa> The JS UI is better now I think
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2156. # [23:47] <@ehsan> it is much better
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2158. # [23:48] <@ehsan> but it could be even better than today
2159. # [23:48] <BenWa> Yea
2160. # [23:48] <BenWa> There's a few bugs filled for possible improvements with no owners
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2168. # [23:54] <Jeffrey> I am trying to work on bug 727335 and was wondering if anyone could help with finding where the unity options could be added. I have tried using mxr but haven't had any luck
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2170. # [23:56] <mbrubeck> Jeffrey: It looks like they go in a .desktop file
2171. # [23:56] <mbrubeck> Jeffrey: There's a .desktop file in the tree here: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/installer/linux/rpm/mozilla.desktop but I think most distributions create their own
2172. # [23:57] <mbrubeck> so you might need to submit a fix directly to the Ubuntu package...
2173. # [23:57] <mbrubeck> Jeffrey: Try talking to these folks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam
2174. # [23:57] <Jeffrey> thank you very much. It's greatly appreciated
2175. # [23:58] <dholbert> Jeffrey, looks like that desktop file lives here: /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop
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2177. # [23:58] <dholbert> Jeffrey, (on an Ubuntu system with the Ubuntu firefox package installed)
2178. # [23:58] * mbrubeck comments in the bug too, for the record
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2182. # [23:59] <dholbert> (I'm sure there are other places in $HOME that an "override" for that file could live, so that you don't have to be mucking with /usr every time you want to tweak it)
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