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1. # Session Start: Tue Mar 06 00:00:00 2012
2. # Session Ident: #developers
3. # [00:00] <dholbert> (while working on it / debugging it, I mean)
4. # [00:00] <Jeffrey> dholbert: thanks for the input
5. # [00:00] <dholbert> sure!
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8. # [00:03] <dholbert> Jeffrey, looks like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-beta.head/view/head:/debian/firefox.desktop.in is the file you want to modify
9. # [00:03] <dholbert> Jeffrey, (trivial way to get that repo: "apt-get source firefox"
10. # [00:03] <dholbert> )
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21. # [00:12] <gps> is there a way to nuke a pushed hg head?
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31. # [00:16] <gavin> no
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35. # [00:17] <gavin> unless you control all of the possible clones that may have subsequently pulled it
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56. # [00:33] <bholley> all your m-i are belong to me
57. # [00:33] <bholley> mwahahaha
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61. # [00:34] <imelven> what's the right way to simulate a click on a link/<a> tag in a mochitest ?
62. # [00:34] <imelven> i tried getElementById() and then calling .click
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64. # [00:35] <imelven> and i also tried sendMouseEvent
65. # [00:35] <imelven> neither of those seem to work
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67. # [00:36] <gavin> bz_sleep: ping?
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75. # [00:38] <myk> bsmedberg: calling XPCOMGlueStartup from the webapp launcher on mac is failing with:
76. # [00:38] <myk> XPCOMGlueLoad error 4:0 for file [path/to]/libxpcom.dylib:
77. # [00:38] <myk> Library not loaded: @executable_path/XUL
78. # [00:38] <myk> Referenced from: [path/to]/libxpcom.dylib
79. # [00:38] <myk> Reason: image not found
80. # [00:38] <imelven> guess i could be hitting the popup blocker...
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83. # [00:39] <myk> bsmedberg: presumably that's because libxpcom is compiled to look for libxul at @executable_path/XUL, but the webapp launcher executable is in a different directory
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85. # [00:40] <dwalkowski> any suggestions?
86. # [00:40] <myk> bsmedberg: i can work around the problem on the command line by setting DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH to [path/to]
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88. # [00:40] <myk> bsmedberg: but setting that env var inside the launcher itself via setenv doesn't have the same effect
89. # [00:41] <dwalkowski> no it seems to ignore it
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91. # [00:42] <myk> bsmedberg: do you know of another way to get XPCOMGlueLoad to find libxul?
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100. # [00:47] <Jesse> dbaron: i cited you! http://www.mvcsp.org/1/post/2012/03/on-36-speak-up-for-affordable-housing-in-mountain-view.html#comment588114778771671715
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102. # [00:47] <bholley> imelven: just window.location = link.src
103. # [00:47] <jaws> bent: what was the folder that i should create that new header file in?
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107. # [00:49] <imelven> bholley: i'm trying to get being able to navigate via target= (or blocking it)
108. # [00:49] <imelven> er trying to test
109. # [00:51] <bholley> imelven: pass a second argument to window.open? https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/window.open
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113. # [00:52] <imelven> bholley: hm, that works for part of the problem, thanks :)
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127. # [00:58] <jlebar> philor, Can you change the message on try to indicate that https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=732666 is fixed?
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133. # [01:00] <philor> jlebar: heh, I'm awful about that, my best ones being when I change it to "OPEN for bustage."
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137. # [01:03] <bbondy> philor: when did that build signing problem start happening btw?
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140. # [01:03] <bbondy> if it is new we might want to not do a nightly as it will lock people out of updates if a user is updated to a build that isn't signed
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142. # [01:04] <bbondy> actually I think for that sign check it'll fall back to not checking the cert without the service so n/m it's not that critical
143. # [01:04] <philor> bbondy: hard to tell exactly, since there aren't timestamps in the build logs, but some time this morning, probably shortly after the red builds on mozilla-central that are starred as "signing servers were being updated"
144. # [01:05] <bbondy> k
145. # [01:06] <nthomas> AIUI bhearsum|afk was deploying some mac signing changes
146. # [01:06] <philor> unfortunately, we don't really have any "don't do a nightly" switch, other than for someone to wait until 3am and then kill it
147. # [01:07] <nthomas> we can turn them off if necessary
148. # [01:07] <bbondy> no I just realized that only the service checks the authenticode signature
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151. # [01:07] <bbondy> so in the worst case people would get a failed update but the next time they restarted their browser it would fallback to the old way and give an authenticode check
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153. # [01:08] <bbondy> if it were a MAR signing problem then that's used both with and without the service so that would be a showstopper
154. # [01:08] <bbondy> but it's an authenticode binary signing problem which is service only
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182. # [01:19] <Waldo> !seen ashughes
183. # [01:19] <firebot> ashughes was last seen 1 minute and 41 seconds ago, saying 'and in safe mode? firefox.exe -safe-mode' in #qa.
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185. # [01:20] * Waldo hies
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187. # [01:20] <hub> Waldo: want me to ping him?
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189. # [01:20] <Waldo> nah, I got it :-)
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191. # [01:20] <hub> ok, 'cause he is right behind me
192. # [01:21] <Waldo> heh
193. # [01:21] <Waldo> well, give it a minute or so to see if he sees #qa :-)
194. # [01:21] <hub> he did :-)
195. # [01:21] <Waldo> heh
196. # [01:21] <Waldo> real life ftw
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200. # [01:24] <jlebar> Where is the add-on ping code?
201. # [01:24] <gavin> what do you mean by add-on ping?
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203. # [01:25] <jlebar> gavin, I guess it's the code which asks AMO if there are any updates to our add-ons...
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205. # [01:25] <jlebar> gavin, It's whatever the add-ons team uses to figure out how many users various add-ons have.
206. # [01:26] <gavin> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/AddonRepository.jsm#834 I guess
207. # [01:26] <gavin> somewhere in there anyways
208. # [01:26] <jlebar> gavin, thanks!
209. # [01:26] <gavin> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/AddonManager.jsm#821 is probably a better link
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211. # [01:27] <gavin> (the addonsmanager calls into AddonRepository)
212. # [01:27] <gavin> Unfocused would know more!
213. # [01:28] <njn> dbaron: does trace-malloc work on Windows?
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215. # [01:28] <@dbaron> njn, yes
216. # [01:28] <@dbaron> njn, though more slowly than other platforms
217. # [01:29] <@dbaron> njn, primarily because of the stack walking
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219. # [01:29] <darktrojan> jlebar, you mean http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm ?
220. # [01:29] <Unfocused> jlebar: depends on what part... there's also https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/XPIProvider.jsm#6918 and https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm
221. # [01:29] <njn> dbaron: but it produces correct stacks? good
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223. # [01:30] <jlebar> Unfocused, Basically, I'm trying to verify the claim that the data AMO uses for "add-on usage" is actually enabled + disabled add-ons.
224. # [01:30] <@dbaron> njn, it should, yes, though there are a bunch of things in our test harnesses that turn off the stack walking entirely so that we don't pay the perf cost when we don't need it
225. # [01:30] <@dbaron> njn, there's an env var that disables it
226. # [01:30] <njn> dbaron: I'm about to start bug 717853, which will use similar things to trace-malloc -- malloc/free interception, stack traces at allocation points
227. # [01:30] <jlebar> Unfocused, Because Taras looked at some code and told me that Telemetry sends the same data as AMO uses. But we now know that Telemetry sends only active add-ons.
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229. # [01:30] <njn> dbaron: I'm looking in tools/trace-malloc/
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232. # [01:31] <Unfocused> ah
233. # [01:32] <darktrojan> AMO stats give a count for disabled addons
234. # [01:32] <darktrojan> so something must
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236. # [01:32] <njn> dbaron: is nsTraceMalloc.c the best place to start looking?
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238. # [01:32] <@dbaron> njn, at what?
239. # [01:32] <@dbaron> njn, maybe... but the stack walking code is elsewhere
240. # [01:32] <jlebar> darktrojan, AMO stats give disabled / enabled separately?
241. # [01:32] <@dbaron> njn, xpcom/base/nsStackWalk*
242. # [01:32] <njn> dbaron: I want to start by just getting and printing a stack trace at each malloc/free call
243. # [01:32] <Unfocused> jlebar: then you want https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/AddonManager.jsm#856
244. # [01:33] <darktrojan> jlebar, it can tell you how many of your users have the addon disabled
245. # [01:33] <jlebar> darktrojan, Huh. Maybe that's an AMO-only thing?
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247. # [01:33] <njn> dbaron: if I can do that, the rest is just details, mostly
248. # [01:33] <Unfocused> whereas, telemetery is https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/XPIProvider.jsm#1766
249. # [01:33] <@dbaron> njn, probably start with nsTraceMalloc.h and nsStackWalk.h and then look at nsTraceMalloc.c ?
250. # [01:33] <jlebar> Unfocused, Okay, that's pretty clearly all add-ons...
251. # [01:33] <njn> dbaron: ok, thx
252. # [01:34] <darktrojan> jlebar, it's got to get the data from somewhere :)
253. # [01:34] <jlebar> Unfocused, But what about darktrojan's enabled/disabled data? That's a separate channel?
254. # [01:34] <jlebar> Unfocused, *just for AMO add-ons?
255. # [01:34] <Unfocused> in the update ping, it sends the enabled/disabled state in the URL
256. # [01:35] <jlebar> Unfocused, But the update ping doesn't always go to Mozilla's servers.
257. # [01:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/f66f339fd046 - Gavin Sharp - Bug 704354: r=dolske, a=lsblakk
258. # [01:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/855980ed722d - Gavin Sharp - Bug 723808: disallow inheriting of system principal in type=content docshells, r=bz, a=lsblakk
259. # [01:35] <Unfocused> if it's on AMO, then it does
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261. # [01:36] * Unfocused isn't sure what you're asking now
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263. # [01:37] <jlebar> Unfocused, So we collect some data about usage for non-AMO add-ons.
264. # [01:37] <jlebar> Unfocused, That's apparently not coming from the update ping.
265. # [01:38] <jlebar> Unfocused, I'd like to verify that, however we collect that data, it's not distinguishing between enabled and disabled add-ons.
266. # [01:38] <Unfocused> ah, indeed - we also have a metadata ping - every addon (unless opt-ed out, but that's rare) will get additional data fetched from AMO (author, description, icon, etc etc)
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268. # [01:38] <Unfocused> that's the first link, a few lines down
269. # [01:39] <Unfocused> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/AddonManager.jsm#862
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271. # [01:39] <Unfocused> it runs that list of IDs (which is all addons) through this function before passing it to AMO: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/AddonRepository.jsm#146
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273. # [01:40] <Unfocused> and that doesn't filter on enabled/disabled
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275. # [01:40] <jlebar> Unfocused, Man, thanks for stepping me through this.
276. # [01:41] <Unfocused> :) no problem
277. # [01:41] <jlebar> I don't think I ever would have peeled this onion.
278. # [01:41] <dao> that's pretty fishy. :( why would add-ons get metadate from AMO when they don't get updates there?
279. # [01:41] * ewong|away is now known as ewong
280. # [01:41] <dao> s/metadate/metadata/
281. # [01:41] <Unfocused> because there's no other mechanism to update metadata
282. # [01:42] <darktrojan> aha, /me just figured out what he was trying to do a few days ago
283. # [01:42] <Unfocused> (addons can opt-out of that, btw)
284. # [01:42] <dao> I know they can. we also know that most add-ons won't opt out
285. # [01:43] <dao> I'm saying we know on the client side that AMO won't have metadata for them
286. # [01:43] <gavin> I don't think we know that
287. # [01:43] <dao> so there's no point in asking AMO, even if there's no other way to update metadata
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291. # [01:44] <Unfocused> we don't know that - there are addons that are on AMO, but are also hosted elsewhere (and thus don't update via AMO)
292. # [01:45] <Unfocused> i don't have numbers though
293. # [01:45] <njn> dbaron: AFAICT when trace-malloc is enabled you try to free everything at shutdown -- is this to detect leaks?
294. # [01:45] <darktrojan> if we stopped sending that ping, would the addon completely disappear from our radar?
295. # [01:45] <dao> Unfocused: hosted on AMO with custom update URLs?
296. # [01:45] <Unfocused> and the decision to always ping AMO predates me
297. # [01:46] <@dbaron> njn, I thought we had a separate ifdef for "try to shut down properly"
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299. # [01:46] <@dbaron> njn, but, yes, one of the main uses of trace-malloc is for detecting leaks
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301. # [01:46] <njn> dbaron: I see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/thebes/gfxPlatform.cpp#392 and a couple of similar ones
302. # [01:46] <Unfocused> dao: hosted on AMO and also hosted elsewhere (which won't have that AMO update URL)
303. # [01:47] <njn> dbaron: a lot of the places where we have |#if NS_TRACE_MALLOC| I'll want to add a "||
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305. # [01:47] <njn> || MOZ_DMD
306. # [01:47] <njn> but I think those places are an exception
307. # [01:48] <njn> where "those places" == "places where we try to free everyting"
308. # [01:48] <@dbaron> njn, I thought we already had a macro for that
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310. # [01:48] <@dbaron> njn, at the very least, I reviewed a patch that added such a macro
311. # [01:48] <@dbaron> njn, maybe it never landed
312. # [01:48] <njn> dbaron: maybe
313. # [01:48] <dao> Unfocused: and by that you mean no update URL at all or one that doesn't point to AMO?
314. # [01:49] <Unfocused> dao: it's not just metadata though - we only use that for compatibility overrides (as of Fx10)
315. # [01:49] <Unfocused> one that won't point to AMO
316. # [01:49] <Asa> Monty is awesome http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
317. # [01:49] <@dbaron> njn, #if defined(NS_TRACE_MALLOC) || defined(NS_BUILD_REFCNT_LOGGING) || defined(MOZ_VALGRIND)
318. # [01:49] <@dbaron> #define NS_FREE_PERMANENT_DATA
319. # [01:49] <@dbaron> #endif
320. # [01:49] <@dbaron> njn, in nscore.h
321. # [01:50] <@dbaron> njn, what are you seeing that's ifdef NS_TRACE_MALLOC but should be ifdef NS_FREE_PERMANENT_DATA ?
322. # [01:50] <@dbaron> njn, actually, I don't particularly care what it is if you're going to fix it :-)
323. # [01:50] <njn> dbaron: there's that gfxPlatform one I pasted above
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325. # [01:51] <@dbaron> njn, yeah, that should change to NS_FREE_PERMANENT_DATA
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328. # [01:52] <njn> dbaron: ok
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333. # [01:55] <njn> dbaron: so trace-malloc is started at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/base/nsTraceRefcntImpl.cpp#924, AFAICT. is NS_LogInit a standard start point for some kind of xpcom service or something?
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335. # [01:56] <@dbaron> njn, "standard"?
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337. # [01:56] <njn> dbaron: I'm wondering where NS_LogInit is called, there seems to be a number of functions with that name
338. # [01:56] <@dbaron> njn, it's probably "for things that need to start really early", perhaps?
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341. # [01:56] <@dbaron> njn, from NS_InitXPCOM2 in xpcom/build/nsXPComInit.cpp
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344. # [01:58] <njn> dbaron: what's the basic function of nsTraceRefcntImpl.cpp ?
345. # [01:59] <@dbaron> njn, the nsTraceRefcnt leak debugging tools
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347. # [01:59] <@dbaron> njn, as described in https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance:Leak_Tools#trace-refcnt_and_the_refcount_balancer
348. # [02:00] <njn> dbaron: I'm wondering if that's where I should start DMD from as well
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350. # [02:00] <@dbaron> njn, it does miss a few allocations when you start there, but it gets most of them
351. # [02:00] <njn> dbaron: I'm just looking at all the places in the codebase where trace-malloc hooks in, and trying to work out if I need to do something for DMD
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357. # [02:04] <edmorley> Trace Malloc Allocs increase 51.6% on MacOSX 10.5.2 Mozilla-Beta
358. # [02:04] <edmorley> well that sounds promising...
359. # [02:04] <njn> dbaron: I don't understand http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in#7278, i.e. that specific line
360. # [02:04] <njn> MOZ_TRACE_MALLOC?
361. # [02:05] <edmorley> kinetik: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.tree-management/QUq2EhpLsX8
362. # [02:05] <@dbaron> njn, I think it lets people set an env var (possibly in their mozconfig) as an alternative to a configure option
363. # [02:05] <njn> dbaron: ok, thanks
364. # [02:05] <@dbaron> njn, not 100% sure, though
365. # [02:06] <@dbaron> njn, configure is crufty
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373. # [02:13] <kinetik> edmorley: pretty hard to believe that was caused by my patch
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375. # [02:14] <edmorley> kinetik: I hadn't looked at the diff, I don;'t normally pay much attention to the non m-c/inbound dev.tree-management mails, just thought it worth posting your way in case
376. # [02:14] <kinetik> edmorley: okay, thanks
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378. # [02:15] <wesj> tn: ping
379. # [02:15] <tn> wesj, pong
380. # [02:15] <mbrubeck> We seem to get nonsensical regression ranges for Aurora/Beta performance mails in general...
381. # [02:15] <wesj> tn: hey, i think you may have broken touch events
382. # [02:15] <mbrubeck> For example, empty regression ranges are very common
383. # [02:16] <wesj> in both of those code paths you inserted, you are using GUIEvent->refPoint, but the point of splitting that was that for touchevents, GUIEvent->refPoint is not valid
384. # [02:17] <dholbert> mbrubeck, Aside from the contents of the patch, it looks like this regression range is actually sensible, from the graph
385. # [02:17] <dholbert> very mysterious
386. # [02:17] <tn> wesj, ah, good catch
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388. # [02:18] <dholbert> (Trace Malloc Allocs basically stable for the last 3 months, and then they jump up 50% and have remained there for 3 builds. I wonder if an infra change could have caused it)
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391. # [02:19] <edmorley> dholbert: yeah was coming to the same conclusion, given the graph (http://graphs-new.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[30,53,7]]&sel=1330546747112.5671,1330687165023.015&displayrange=7&datatype=running) vs the patch
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394. # [02:20] <dholbert> edmorley, yeah
395. # [02:21] <mbrubeck> edmorley, dholbert, kinetik: I'll try retriggering a run on the push before kinetic's...
396. # [02:21] <dholbert> mbrubeck, sounds like a good idea
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398. # [02:22] <mbrubeck> now which of these damn Talos suites does Trace Mallocs come from?
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400. # [02:23] <tn> wesj, i put a quick followup patch in the original bug to address this
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402. # [02:24] <kinetik> mbrubeck: cheers
403. # [02:25] <mbrubeck> Hmm, I see the same regression on inbound in January...
404. # [02:25] <mbrubeck> and on Aurora a while later in January...
405. # [02:26] <mbrubeck> All blamed on different, probably-wrong changesets. (e.g. one was blamed on me changing a pref in XUL fennec.)
406. # [02:27] <mbrubeck> http://graphs-new.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[30,53,7],[30,63,7],[30,53,8],[30,52,7]]&sel=none&displayrange=90&datatype=running
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411. # [02:31] <kinetik> no regression where my patch landed on aurora, either
412. # [02:32] <mbrubeck> And the graphs really do point to the changesets from the regression emails, which are obviously wrong. (The inbound one was a B2G-only change.)
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414. # [02:32] <mbrubeck> also, what's with the sudden improvement back in December..?
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416. # [02:33] <mbrubeck> oh, probably from an aurora->beta merge
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420. # [02:37] <njn> dbaron: toolkit/xre/nsAppRunner.cpp also has CLEANUP_MEMORY
421. # [02:38] <@dbaron> njn, yeah, should also be converted
422. # [02:38] * njn assumes nscore.h is visible within nsAppRunner.cpp
423. # [02:39] <njn> dbaron: but that's within a #if defined(MOZ_WIDGET_GTK2)...
424. # [02:39] <@dbaron> njn, only becaus eit's only relevant in the GTK2 case
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427. # [02:40] <njn> dbaron: I've changed it to:
428. # [02:41] <njn> #if defined(DEBUG) || defined(NS_FREE_PERMANENT_DATA)
429. # [02:41] <njn> #define CLEANUP_MEMORY 1
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432. # [02:43] <@dbaron> njn, yeah
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436. # [02:44] <ehugg> My bug for level 1 try server access was resolved today. Didn't get it to work though - details here if anyone might know - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1504171
437. # [02:45] <gavin> ehugg: best way to configure ssh is by using ~/.ssh/config
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439. # [02:45] <gavin> and adding the hg.mozilla.org config per https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mercurial_FAQ#Required_configuration
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442. # [02:48] <njn> dbaron: hmm, there's a bunch of stuff in tools/trace-malloc/lib that DMD will want verbatim copies of, e.g. all the windows specific stuff. I'm wondering how best to structure things.
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445. # [02:48] <gavin> ehugg: if that doesn't work, double check that the private key being used when calling |ssh -v hg.mozilla.org| is the one associated with the pubkey that was added to your account
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447. # [02:48] <gavin> ehugg: and if _that_ doesn't help, file a new server-ops bug :)
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450. # [02:53] <ehugg> gavin: Turns out I had to run ssh-add because I had recently put the key pair into .ssh. Thanks much.
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474. # [03:05] <gavin> ehugg: np!
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479. # [03:07] <philor> \o/
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481. # [03:08] <philor> I started starring inbound the minute I woke up, and now, other than a few things I refused to deal with, it's actually starred
482. # [03:08] <philor> only 8 hours!
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485. # [03:09] <mccr8> hooray!
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487. # [03:09] <philor> only 11 unstarred on aurora!
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489. # [03:09] <RyanVM> philor: sounds like an incredibly productive use of your time
490. # [03:09] <philor> only 3 on beta!
491. # [03:10] <philor> 2 on esr10 if you have Android blinkers on
492. # [03:11] <philor> well, I did two loads of laundry
493. # [03:11] <philor> filed a bug to make someone come back after his workday was over
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497. # [03:13] <RyanVM> philor: if you're ever out by Philly, I'd like to buy you a round
498. # [03:13] <RyanVM> and a cheesesteak, if that's your thing :P
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502. # [03:14] <philor> as long as the economy recovers before I die, so I can actually retire, there are both people and fish I need to meet in Pennsylvania
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505. # [03:16] <RyanVM> heh
506. # [03:16] <RyanVM> i forget, is josh still around Philly or did he move to NYC?
507. # [03:16] <kbrosnan> RyanVM: nyc afik
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510. # [03:17] <RyanVM> ok, that's what I thought
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512. # [03:18] <JonathanS> philor, the economy get worst before it get better
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514. # [03:18] <philor> that tends to be the case, rather like the way your keys are always in the last place you look
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517. # [03:19] <RyanVM> one hopes, anyway
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520. # [03:20] <rnewman> philor: shush, with your logic
521. # [03:21] <JonathanS> rnewman, is he is spock?
522. # [03:21] <rnewman> I've never seen them together
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524. # [03:22] <philor> well played
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552. # [03:41] <njn> dbaron: so trace-malloc maintains a tree of stack traces, with common prefixes commoned out? cool
553. # [03:41] <@dbaron> njn, yes
554. # [03:41] <njn> dbaron: exactly what I need! :)
555. # [03:41] <@dbaron> njn, along with some basic recursion elimination, I think
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558. # [03:43] <njn> dbaron: AFAICt, NS_TraceMallocStartup(-1) is called very early on, and then NS_TraceMallocStartup(n) is called slightly later
559. # [03:43] <njn> from NS_TraceMallocStartupArgs
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571. # [03:54] <njn> dbaron: I don't see line number in the trace-malloc stacks on Linux in a --enable-debug build. Am I doing something wrong?
572. # [03:54] <@dbaron> njn, on Linux you probably need to run them through fix-linux-stack
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576. # [03:56] <njn> dbaron: where is fix-linux-stack?
577. # [03:56] <@dbaron> njn, tools/rb/
578. # [03:56] <njn> got it
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580. # [03:57] <njn> dbaron: my build has both --enable-debug and --enable-optimize='-O', is that relevant?
581. # [03:57] <njn> I could remove the --enable-optimize='-O' if necessary
582. # [03:57] <@dbaron> njn, shouldn't be
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585. # [04:00] <njn> dbaron: ok, fix-linux-stack.pl works, thanks
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591. # [04:06] <jgilbert> have build times ever been tracked over time?
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595. # [04:09] <edmorley> jgilbert: until the brasstacks oopsie, we had the gofaster dashboard, I presume it will be re-instated at some point (ask in #ateam perhaps)
596. # [04:10] <jgilbert> ah, ok
597. # [04:10] <jgilbert> just curious
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604. # [04:13] <philor> seems like someone did a blog post about some tinderbox mining, back toward the start of gofaster
605. # [04:14] <edmorley> jgilbert: there's http://jagriffin.wordpress.com/2011/09/06/gofaster-deeper-data-analysis/ and I'm sure I saw a longer term (ie last few years) analysis of lines of code vs build time, but I might be mis-remembering
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612. # [04:15] <jhammel> are the endemic hg failures on try known? (e.g. https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9835673&tree=Try&full=1 )
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617. # [04:16] <philor> jhammel: was it just a brief period around 17:00?
618. # [04:17] <philor> oh, that's clear back this morning
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621. # [04:17] <philor> share doesn't work on win64: known
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623. # [04:18] <philor> mirrors were crap this morning: known
624. # [04:18] <jhammel> okay, cool
625. # [04:18] <jhammel> thanks philor
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627. # [04:18] <philor> heh, I'm only two failures into it, there's plenty more
628. # [04:19] <philor> I think it ends with a known but not fixed thing where it fails to get the rev it wants, so it falls back to pulling something it should know doesn't have the rev it wants
629. # [04:19] <jhammel> heh
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632. # [04:21] <philor> wow those are painful to watch
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634. # [04:22] <philor> combination of the mirrors being broken, and then seven years of the bad luck that 61 minutes is not, as it happens, enough time to do a full clone of try
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638. # [04:24] <philor> but without the clownshoes of falling back to a bundle that it already knew didn't have your rev, so that part's less painful
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653. # [04:42] <sauron> any build-system type folks here right now?
654. # [04:43] * sauron trying to figure out bustage from bug 723808
655. # [04:43] <sauron> on 1.9.2
656. # [04:44] <sauron> i fixed the easy problem, but it's opened up a giant one I don't know how to tackle
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671. # [04:55] <philor> gavin: ^ you scored a Camino-bustage!
672. # [04:55] * philor longs for the old days, when we could bust it two or three times a week
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674. # [04:58] <taras> ttaubert: ping
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680. # [05:03] <philor> sauron: is it more subtle than the missing "#include "nsContentUtils.h"" it looks like to me?
681. # [05:03] <sauron> yes, it's an ld (linker) error, not a compiler error
682. # [05:04] * sauron is writing a comment in the bug, since the relevant people appear to be asleep
683. # [05:06] <philor> yeah, asleep. that's what they *want* you to think
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696. # [05:18] <sauron> philor: bug 723808 comment 20 for your morbid curiosity ;)
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731. # [05:58] * njn never realized you could do |typedef struct x x;|
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737. # [06:02] <jdm> njn: yeah, it's common in C to avoid the repeated struct keyword.
738. # [06:02] <njn> jdm: I've been doing |typedef struct _x x;| all these years unnecessarily
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746. # [06:10] <njn> philor: I have a one-line patch I'd like to land but I haven't managed to load TBPL successfully all day. Is the tree open, available?
747. # [06:11] <philor> njn: inbound? yeah, it's great, fire away
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749. # [06:11] <njn> philor: thx
750. # [06:11] <philor> are you on a Mozilla VPN? that's the only consistent "I can't load tbpl" I know of
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752. # [06:14] <njn> philor: no, but my internet has been super-flaky all day
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755. # [06:16] <jesup> njn: yeah, I find that typedef thing mildly annoying. Like typing 'struct' will kill you. ;-) Seriously, sometimes C++ goes overboard on the "conciseness" of expression over understandability, though this isn't a major offender.
756. # [06:16] <njn> jesup: this is C code
757. # [06:17] <njn> and I like being able to omit the "struct"
758. # [06:17] <njn> I just didn't realize that struct names and typedef names are in different namespaces
759. # [06:17] <jesup> I'm not sure they always were... where's that K&R?
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767. # [06:22] <ttaubert> taras: pong
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773. # [06:27] <taras> ttaubert: remind me why network cache was inconvenient for storing tab metadata
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788. # [06:43] <jesup> taras: I think the problem is that it gets flushed on a crash, and crash recovery was a primary use-case for session restore. (IIRC) There's a bug on selecting the correct behavior for sessionrestore
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796. # [06:50] <gavin> sauron: yt?/
797. # [06:50] <sauron> gavin: ?
798. # [06:50] <gavin> nm I just read your bug comment
799. # [06:51] <gavin> well, that's fun
800. # [06:52] <sauron> yeah :(
801. # [06:54] <ttaubert> taras: tab meta data? we use it for images. and I wouldn't call it convenient :|
802. # [06:55] <taras> ttaubert: i was wondering if we should expose the cache better
803. # [06:55] <taras> as a replacement for local storage
804. # [06:55] <taras> (we obviously have to fix our cache to do this)
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806. # [06:56] <ttaubert> yes
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809. # [06:57] <ttaubert> taras: so the problem is that we're losing all our stuff on crash, like jesup said, and the cache is FIFO so actually not ideal. but it *seems* like an efficient async storage, even for big image data
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811. # [06:57] <taras> ttaubert: right
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816. # [07:01] <gavin> sauron: when do you realistically need this fixed by?
817. # [07:02] <jesup> ttaubert: the fit overall doesn't seem good other than performance. "If you have a hammer..." ;-) If you use some of the tools/code from the network cache to implement a backend with the right characteristics for the tab metadata need, then you'd have something. (I realize I'm speaking in horrible generalities and haven't re-reviewed the old discussions. I'm also assuming that by "tab...
818. # [07:02] <jesup> ...metadata" you're talking about session and/or local storage.)
819. # [07:02] <gavin> I have a fix I can land tomorrow after we kick off builds in the morning
820. # [07:02] <gavin> (just inline the method)
821. # [07:02] <sauron> gavin: that's fine
822. # [07:02] <sauron> i'm not going to get anything else done tonight :)
823. # [07:03] <sauron> gavin: and thanks :)
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826. # [07:08] <ttaubert> jesup: so we don't (plan to) use it for meta data but Panorama and the new tab page store thumbnails in the cache and we lose them very often. so we'd actually need a solid image storage with maybe auto-expire functionality to not create a too big mess
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828. # [07:09] <ttaubert> and that image storage could maybe even provide resizing and cropping (not sure just a quick idea)
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830. # [07:10] <jesup> ttaubert: Ah, that type of metadata; not session data.
831. # [07:10] <ttaubert> yes
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876. # [08:08] <darktrojan> wahey, pdf.js leaks
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880. # [08:11] <@dolske> i've got a jschar* string (ucs2, yeah?) in gdb, how can i print it?
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884. # [08:12] <@dolske> oh, there's the .gdbinit helper...
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889. # [08:13] <@dolske> ...oh, it's a 7K string. sigh.
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891. # [08:14] <rnewman> ttaubert: here's a brain-thorn for ya: if you ever build an image store like that, plan for syncability
892. # [08:15] <rnewman> that is, tracking deletions and changes
893. # [08:15] <rnewman> it would be neat to have page thumbnails sync, down to Fennec for example
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898. # [08:17] <ttaubert> rnewman: o.O
899. # [08:17] <rnewman> I am happy to advise :D
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901. # [08:18] <ttaubert> heh, I'll give it some time to think about
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946. # [09:01] <philor> jduargh
947. # [09:03] <philor> screw it, I can't be bothered to surgically clobber those killed slaves
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1020. # [10:02] <glandium> who wants to rubberstamp this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1504614 ?
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1022. # [10:04] <dougt> glandium: rs+
1023. # [10:04] <dougt> glandium: note that DF_SYMBOLIC is usually defined as a hex number
1024. # [10:04] <dougt> #define DF_SYMBOLIC 0x0002
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1028. # [10:05] <glandium> i'll go with #define DF_SYMBOLIC 0x00000002
1029. # [10:05] <glazou> bonjour
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1034. # [10:09] <glazou> brb
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1037. # [10:13] <glandium> what is the best git clone of m-c ?
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1039. # [10:13] <dougt> cdouble i think
1040. # [10:14] * glandium wonders why the mozilla/mozilla-central repo is so outdated
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1042. # [10:14] <dougt> https://github.com/doublec/mozilla-central
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1054. # [10:22] <glazou> glandium: would love to hear why from you
1055. # [10:22] <harsh> anyone here working on speechrequest?
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1058. # [10:22] <glandium> glazou: because it's slow, mq is awful, and qq doesn't make it any better
1059. # [10:22] <dougt> harsh: smaug might be.
1060. # [10:22] <glazou> oooooh chromium has scoped stylesheets now
1061. # [10:23] <harsh> he is off right now .. do you know anyone else /
1062. # [10:23] <glandium> glazou: also, it's seriously dumb on rebases or merges
1063. # [10:23] <harsh> dougt
1064. # [10:23] <dougt> harsh: nope.
1065. # [10:23] <harsh> dougt:okay.
1066. # [10:23] <dougt> glandium: +1. fucking rebase took like 6 hours one time.
1067. # [10:23] <harsh> dougt: okay.
1068. # [10:23] <dougt> glandium: wth?
1069. # [10:23] <glazou> the fact I don't like with mercurial is its usage complexity ; even after two years, some people are still at odds about some complex tasks
1070. # [10:24] <tbsaunde> glazou: other set is smaller
1071. # [10:24] <glandium> dougt: wth what?
1072. # [10:25] <harsh> anyone knows about microphone handling ?
1073. # [10:25] <dougt> glandium: wth would hg need 6 hours for to do a rebase.
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1075. # [10:25] <dougt> harsh: try #webapi
1076. # [10:25] <dougt> maybe?
1077. # [10:25] <harsh> okay thanks dougt
1078. # [10:26] <glandium> dougt: yeah :) though i've never experienced something that slow.
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1080. # [10:26] <glandium> and i won't even talk of hg grep, which is not what most people think (or would hope) it is
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1082. # [10:26] <dougt> glandium: hg grep? is that like hg glog?
1083. # [10:29] <glandium> dougt: grep is... well, i've never found any use case where it's any useful
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1086. # [10:31] <glandium> m-c/.git -> 289M ; m-c/.hg -> 867M
1087. # [10:31] <glandium> that too
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1090. # [10:33] <dougt> glandium: it does take .5 gb to be awesome... i thought you'd know that.
1091. # [10:33] <dougt> :)
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1093. # [10:34] <no_gravity> Hello! Is there a way to disable CTRL+Q in Firefox? It causes me a lot of pain regularly.
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1097. # [10:36] <Asa> no_gravity: try http://support.mozilla.com This is a software development channel, not a user support channel.
1098. # [10:37] <Cork> no_gravity: that question should prob have been asked in #firefox instead, try https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/customizable-shortcuts/
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1103. # [10:38] <no_gravity> Cork: im looking for a way to disable it in firefox. Without an addon. Thats the reason i asked here. There is a setting "warn on quit" in about:config. But it seems to have no effect. Is that a bug?
1104. # [10:39] <Cork> no_gravity: your talking about the shortcut
1105. # [10:39] <Cork> and as far as i know, there isn't a built in way to modify them
1106. # [10:39] <Cork> but again; wrong channel
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1108. # [10:40] <no_gravity> Cork: then what is the "browser.warnOnQuit" setting?
1109. # [10:42] <glazou> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/nsBrowserGlue.js#484
1110. # [10:42] <glazou> "browser.warnOnQuit is a hidden global boolean to override all quit prompts"
1111. # [10:43] <no_gravity> I would assume that the extension also just changes some config file. So I would guess its possible to change that config file by hand. Am I wrong in this thinking?
1112. # [10:43] <Cork> ya, thers no config
1113. # [10:43] <Asa> Top story on http://planet.mozilla.org/ is a petition to deny gay people the right to marry.
1114. # [10:44] <Asa> I sure am glad I took over planet to institute a no editorial process to make this possible.
1115. # [10:44] <no_gravity> glazou: browser.warnOnQuit has no effect here. No matter how I close the browser and no matter how many tabs I have open.
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1118. # [10:45] <derf> Asa: Voltaire, defend to the death, etc.
1119. # [10:45] <Asa> derf: yep.
1120. # [10:45] <Asa> I'm glad we don't have skinheads working on the project
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1122. # [10:46] <Asa> that I know of
1123. # [10:46] <derf> Everyone needs a hobby.
1124. # [10:46] <Asa> too bad about all the more subtle bigotry though.
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1126. # [10:47] <Asa> This is why I don't syndicate to planet and never have. I don't want people to think my crazy ass views are at all related to Mozilla :)
1127. # [10:47] <no_gravity> Cork: the link you gave me says "Not available for Firefox 13.0a1"
1128. # [10:47] <Asa> no_gravity: you're in the wrong place.
1129. # [10:48] <Cork> no_gravity: like i've told you three times, you should be asking this in #firefox
1130. # [10:48] <Cork> thats the support channel
1131. # [10:48] <no_gravity> Asa: im trying to modify firefox so that it does not quit on CTRL+Q. How is that not development?
1132. # [10:48] <Archaeopteryx> it's usage
1133. # [10:49] <no_gravity> Archaeopteryx: im not looking for an addon
1134. # [10:49] <glazou> no_gravity: you want to change stuff AFTER build and installation
1135. # [10:49] <no_gravity> but ok, i will stick to #firefox
1136. # [10:49] <glazou> this channel is for BEFORE
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1139. # [10:50] <no_gravity> glazou: i dont do "installation" by the way.
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1141. # [10:50] <NeilAway> where could I find the URL for the start page for the en-GB release?
1142. # [10:50] * glazou could live with a lower download bw and a higher upload one these days :(
1143. # [10:51] <glazou> NeilAway: probably in the en-GB l10n package
1144. # [10:51] <glazou> and you can find that beast in ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central-l10n/win32/xpi/
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1147. # [10:53] <NeilAway> glazou: that's a nightly link, or will it have the same URL?
1148. # [10:53] <NeilAway> oh, s/ftp|nightly/releases would work I guess
1149. # [10:53] <glazou> ah you want the release url ?
1150. # [10:54] <NeilAway> glazou: google found that already
1151. # [10:54] <glazou> ok
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1153. # [10:54] <NeilAway> ah, I seem to have associated .xpi with Winzip
1154. # [10:54] <glazou> you're such a geek, NeilAway ;-)
1155. # [10:55] <Asa> we broke 160M ADUs today
1156. # [10:55] <Asa> nice.
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1164. # [11:08] <harsh> what is this segmentation fault all about ?
1165. # [11:08] <harsh> http://mibpaste.com/mQZzMs
1166. # [11:11] <NeilAway> glazou: actually the answer was in MXR all along, because it's done via the preprocessor anyway
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1172. # [11:19] <gerv> Asa: I'm glad you did, too. But I contest your characterization. Firstly, the debate in the UK is not like that in the US - as I point out, the legal situations are different. This is not about the "right to marry", it's about the right for civil partnerships to be _called_ "marriage".
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1175. # [11:20] <gerv> Also, I deny the charge of bigotry. "A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs." I have no animosity towards gay people. There are plenty of people in the Mozilla community who are gay. Have you ever seen me display animosity towards them?
1176. # [11:23] * Peng gets some petrol to pour on the fire
1177. # [11:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b8aa220cf62a - Dão Gottwald - Bug 732915 - Reduce the URL and search bar border radii. r=shorlander
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1181. # [11:25] <Archaeopteryx> Peng: the comments will be my today's pastime
1182. # [11:27] <harsh> lol
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1189. # [11:32] <@smaug> ttaubert: so did you remove only try-catch, or also the contents of catch ?
1190. # [11:32] <@smaug> (and it wouldn't probably be a CC bug but GC)
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1194. # [11:35] <ttaubert> smaug: only the wrapping try/catch
1195. # [11:35] <ttaubert> um
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1197. # [11:35] <glandium> gerv: to be honest, it's not entirely clear what your post is about
1198. # [11:35] <ttaubert> smaug: and of course the contents of catch
1199. # [11:35] <gerv> glandium: It's asking my UK readers to sign the petition if they agree with it.
1200. # [11:35] <gerv> Surely that's reasonably clear? :-)
1201. # [11:36] <ttaubert> smaug: I tried only removing the contents of clear and leak was still there
1202. # [11:36] * glazou wonders what could replace the floppydisk icon for "Save" ; I also hate the folder+arrow icon that Tango has
1203. # [11:36] <ttaubert> smaug: s/clear/catch/
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1205. # [11:36] <gerv> glazou: Not a hard disk icon, please. That's even less clear.
1206. # [11:36] <glazou> agreed
1207. # [11:36] <gerv> (That's what GNOME does.)
1208. # [11:37] <@smaug> ttaubert: very strange
1209. # [11:37] <glazou> my sons have seen a floppy only because I have my own computer museum
1210. # [11:37] <Archaeopteryx> glazou: iirc LibreOffice also has the Tango download icon and it always confuses me
1211. # [11:37] <Archaeopteryx> i always click the Open button
1212. # [11:37] <@smaug> perhaps some JS hacker knows what is happening there
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1214. # [11:38] <ttaubert> smaug: yeah, I have no idea what's going on
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1216. # [11:38] <@smaug> ttaubert: have you looked at debug build
1217. # [11:38] <glazou> we could use the image of a bank safe ; door open when something has to be saved; closed when it's saved and not modified
1218. # [11:38] <ttaubert> smaug: yes, I have a debug build atm
1219. # [11:38] <Peng> Given the way the world is going, I figure the natural replacement for the floppy disk icon is Dropbox's logo. :D
1220. # [11:38] <ttaubert> smaug: and used that for checking
1221. # [11:38] <@smaug> ttaubert: when you dump CC log to a file in debug build, it creates also gc file
1222. # [11:39] <Peng> glazou: That might imply encryption.
1223. # [11:39] <glazou> sigh
1224. # [11:39] <ttaubert> smaug: should I attach that?
1225. # [11:39] <glandium> Peng: note that would be a useful feature
1226. # [11:39] <@smaug> ttaubert: gc log is huge
1227. # [11:39] <@smaug> ttaubert: but you could look at the gc log :)
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1229. # [11:39] <ttaubert> smaug: ok, let me get one
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1231. # [11:40] <@smaug> and find your object there, and perhaps it tells what is keeping stuff alive
1232. # [11:40] <@smaug> ttaubert: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance:Leak_Tools#Cycle_collector_heap_dump the first gray box
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1240. # [11:44] <ttaubert> smaug: ok the canvas element's address is in the GC log and now? :)
1241. # [11:45] <@smaug> ttaubert: and you have also the GC log?
1242. # [11:45] <ttaubert> yes
1243. # [11:46] <@smaug> you could actually run also about:cc to check canvas' address
1244. # [11:46] <ttaubert> that's what I did
1245. # [11:46] <ttaubert> and then I searched for it in the gc-edges* files
1246. # [11:46] <ttaubert> -s
1247. # [11:46] <@smaug> right
1248. # [11:46] <@smaug> do you see it in gc-edges
1249. # [11:47] <@smaug> well, the C++ object shouldn't be there
1250. # [11:47] <@smaug> but its js wrapper
1251. # [11:47] <@smaug> you should see the wrapper also in cc log
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1253. # [11:49] <NeilAway> glazou: have you seen yesterday's oldnewthing?
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1255. # [11:49] <ttaubert> I at least found something that has the same id in the gc log
1256. # [11:50] <@smaug> ttaubert: so there could you try to find something interesting
1257. # [11:50] <@smaug> it is hard to say exactly what
1258. # [11:50] <ttaubert> yeah. I don't understand the log format very well
1259. # [11:52] <@smaug> well, it is from object -to-> another object
1260. # [11:52] <@smaug> object keeps another object alive
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1265. # [11:56] <ttaubert> smaug: those are the lines surrounding the canvas - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1504711
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1268. # [11:56] <ttaubert> is there something interesting in there?
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1270. # [11:56] <ttaubert> or is it useless without all the other information?
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1273. # [11:57] <@smaug> looking
1274. # [11:57] <@smaug> ttaubert: what is the object
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1276. # [11:58] <ttaubert> smaug: 0x2b798a5fe500
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1278. # [11:58] * @smaug can't understand how someone can move from Mozilla to Facebook. :(
1279. # [11:59] <mrbkap> smaug: did someone else leave?
1280. # [11:59] <@smaug> legneato
1281. # [11:59] <darktrojan> hooray, I've made a loaded footgun \o/ now I can delete shite from .sqlite files and totally screw up my profile :D
1282. # [11:59] <@smaug> mrbkap: so old news
1283. # [11:59] <mrbkap> smaug: ah, yeah.
1284. # [11:59] <@smaug> but I didn't know what he is going to do
1285. # [12:00] <mrbkap> smaug: roll out new facebook features every 6 weeks, presumably :-)
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1287. # [12:00] * @smaug thinks Facebook is probably the least interesting company ... maybe they'll have some interesting product at some point
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1289. # [12:01] <Peng> Do they have interesting stock options? :)
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1292. # [12:01] <@smaug> no
1293. # [12:01] <mrbkap> Peng: almost certainly not any more.
1294. # [12:01] <mrbkap> smaug: they do have a bunch of interesting stuff, even for platform hackers...
1295. # [12:01] <mrbkap> smaug: like their php compiler thing.
1296. # [12:02] <@smaug> well, a js compiler thing would be more interesting :)
1297. # [12:02] <Archaeopteryx> smaug: "I'm doing it for my kids."
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1299. # [12:05] <dao> mounir: I think jim is waiting for a response in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373266#c89
1300. # [12:06] <mounir> dao: yes, I will reply
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1302. # [12:08] <dao> netscape navigator had one ADU yesterday, flock had four. impressive
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1305. # [12:10] <Unfocused> lol
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1310. # [12:14] <darktrojan> damn, I wanted to ask dao what version of netscape it was
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1314. # [12:17] <Unfocused> darktrojan: don't think he'd know anyway - that was from an email showing a summary of ADUs. would have to ask one of the metrics guys
1315. # [12:17] <darktrojan> oh.
1316. # [12:17] <darktrojan> oh God. "Ubuntu founder touts UI innovation in 12.04 beta release"
1317. # [12:17] <@smaug> pedro> it's the data, don't ask me!
1318. # [12:18] <@smaug> that was about the netscape
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1320. # [12:21] <darktrojan> oic
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1322. # [12:21] <darktrojan> hmm, ubuntu's 'innovation' could actually be alright
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1328. # [12:22] * darktrojan wonders how good the execution will be
1329. # [12:23] <ttaubert> darktrojan: link?
1330. # [12:23] * glob|away worries about darktrojan's dark thoughts
1331. # [12:23] <darktrojan> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/03/ubuntu-founder-touts-ui-innovation-in-1204-beta-release.ars
1332. # [12:24] <darktrojan> glob?
1333. # [12:24] <ttaubert> thx
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1335. # [12:24] <glob|away> darktrojan, you're thinking about executions...
1336. # [12:25] <ttaubert> yay, improved power mgmt, can't wait for my x220 to last... um... 10hrs? =)
1337. # [12:25] <darktrojan> heh, can we execute shuttleworth as a sacrifice?
1338. # [12:25] * aja hopes it's better than UI inovation in latest Ubuntu release
1339. # [12:26] <Unfocused> darktrojan: is the new patch in bug 731041 still a WIP, or is it for final review?
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1342. # [12:27] <darktrojan> erm, I think it was finished
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1344. # [12:27] <darktrojan> I seem to recall thinking I should change the name
1345. # [12:27] <Unfocused> heh k
1346. # [12:27] <darktrojan> and then not doing it, clearly :/
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1348. # [12:30] <Unfocused> darktrojan: huh, setting only has a min-height on gnomestripe?
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1350. # [12:30] <darktrojan> oh, no, it was wrong
1351. # [12:31] <darktrojan> must've miscalculated last time
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1353. # [12:31] <Unfocused> ok
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1360. # [12:37] <glazou> NeilAway: sorry, missed your question above ; oldnewthing ?
1361. # [12:39] <NeilAway> glazou: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2012/03/05/10277439.aspx (unsurprisingly doesn't work in IE6)
1362. # [12:39] <glazou> looking
1363. # [12:40] <darktrojan> nicely answered
1364. # [12:41] <ttaubert> yeah :)
1365. # [12:42] <Unfocused> haha nice
1366. # [12:42] <glazou> because developers at MSFT have only one screen and could never test/validate an implementation ? :-)
1367. # [12:42] <darktrojan> and it's a CRT
1368. # [12:43] <darktrojan> they're retro like that
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1374. # [12:45] <darktrojan> oh look some fun orange to star
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1380. # [12:50] <NeilAway> darktrojan: bah, html today
1381. # [12:50] <darktrojan> me too
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1392. # [12:57] <darktrojan> Unfocused, that bug has 2 votes. Go figure.
1393. # [12:57] <darktrojan> voters will be pleased to know the code is now tidier
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1398. # [13:00] <@smaug> so, what is the right thing to use for sets
1399. # [13:00] <@smaug> hashsets
1400. # [13:00] <Unfocused> haha
1401. # [13:00] <Pike> do bookmarklets not work on chrome:// pages anymore?
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1416. # [13:10] <darktrojan> hmm, just found an old copy of m-c lying around
1417. # [13:10] <darktrojan> pretty sure I don't need that any more
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1421. # [13:13] <darktrojan> 4.0b9pre
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1439. # [13:28] <IanN> what's been added to wiki.mozilla.org that means it has some "unauthenticated content"?
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1442. # [13:30] <IanN> hmmm, there are some stylesheets pulled from ajax.googleapis.com that might be doing it
1443. # [13:30] <Standard8> and jquery min files
1444. # [13:31] <IanN> it's very annoying
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1453. # [13:36] <NeilAway> Pike: I think that got disabled recently
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1456. # [13:37] <NeilAway> Pike: might be 723808
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1461. # [13:38] <kaie> I want a non-libxul debug build for quick turnaround while experimenting. We don't have that, right?
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1465. # [13:42] <Standard8> kaie: correct, we don't have that
1466. # [13:42] <kaie> ok thx
1467. # [13:42] <Standard8> best you can do is make in the directory you're changing
1468. # [13:42] <Standard8> then make in toolkit/library iirc
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1512. # [14:09] <edmorley> IanN: for the mixed content warning on wiki.m.o, see bug 729605
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1538. # [14:24] <Cork> what component should one put bugs about packaging errors?
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1541. # [14:26] <Cork> (bug 733351)
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1544. # [14:28] <coop|afk> Cork: product: mozilla.org, component: Release Automation: Releases
1545. # [14:28] <Cork> thx
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1547. # [14:29] <Cork> uhmmm you mean Release Enginering: Release?
1548. # [14:29] <coop|afk> uh, yeah, sorry
1549. # [14:30] <coop|afk> have automation on the brain
1550. # [14:30] <Cork> hops noone kills me for that :)
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1603. # [15:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/14099190f012 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 730551. (Bv2) browser_bug638292.js: Check load target, Make SeaMonkey support more specific. r=bmcbride.
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1641. # [15:50] <espindola> !seen Mikek
1642. # [15:50] <firebot> mikek was last seen 1 week, 5 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying 'gavin: thank you, that would have been my next question :) ' in #developers.
1643. # [15:50] <espindola> gah
1644. # [15:51] <espindola> mak: anyone else that could comment on 733358/732368?
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1646. # [15:51] <mak> espindola: ?
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1648. # [15:52] <mak> espindola: if you write there, I'm sure Mike will answer
1649. # [15:52] <mak> it worked for me yesterday
1650. # [15:53] <mak> btw, for now I'd suggest to dupe your bug to that one, then if you want to take his patch and address my comments, or viceversa, check your patch against his, that may even work. I just care there is one working patch!
1651. # [15:53] <espindola> ok
1652. # [15:53] <mak> 2 working patches are a bit too many
1653. # [15:54] <mak> so let's keep the discussion in one single bug, to begin with
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1669. # [16:09] <IanN> urgh at .pyc files
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1676. # [16:14] <sheppy> eep - the election notice for our county has all its text in Comic Sans. Sadfaces.
1677. # [16:14] <mdas> dietrich: ping
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1679. # [16:14] <bhearsum|buildduty> sheppy: comical
1680. # [16:14] <sheppy> And there is no information anywhere on what's on the freaking ballot so I can do research before I vote. WTF?
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1683. # [16:15] <sheppy> ah, there it is
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1686. # [16:18] <mak> espindola: btw, regarding your question, xpcom-will-shutdown handles the case of not having a profile (tests)
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1688. # [16:18] <mak> espindola: and profile-after-change handles a not-really-existing-but-still-safe-to-cover case of on the fly profile switch
1689. # [16:18] <espindola> mak: we should change the tests, no?
1690. # [16:18] <espindola> to match how firefox shutsdown
1691. # [16:19] <mak> espindola: adding a profile to tests not in need of it? I don't saw why
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1693. # [16:19] <mak> espindola: and there is not just firefox, think of other apps based on libxul
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1695. # [16:19] <espindola> mak: so that we can remove uses of xpcom-* messages
1696. # [16:20] <mak> that will come much later, for now they exist and we should handle that, in out case it will just not happen
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1698. # [16:20] <espindola> they will have to use the profile-* messages once we exit(0)
1699. # [16:20] <mak> sure, once we
1700. # [16:20] <espindola> better move on that direction
1701. # [16:20] <mak> it's not said that any app will want to support exit(0)
1702. # [16:20] <espindola> instead of adding a new use of something we want to remove
1703. # [16:21] <mak> this is not new use, this is fixing current behavior that otherwise would still be broken
1704. # [16:21] <mak> fixing now future code doesn't work that well
1705. # [16:22] <@bsmedberg> is the next aurora merge today or next week?
1706. # [16:22] * philor|away is now known as philor
1707. # [16:22] <mak> bsmedberg: /topic
1708. # [16:22] <mak> (that means, luckily next week)
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1713. # [16:26] <Mano> how can i watch for style changes on a node which has no frame
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1715. # [16:27] <Mano> in particular, changes to the (computed) list-style-image value
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1717. # [16:27] <Mano> (i'm in widget/)
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1719. # [16:27] <@bsmedberg> Mano: no frame?
1720. # [16:28] <Mano> bsmedberg: display: none, yes
1721. # [16:28] <@bsmedberg> Mano: if it has no frame it has no computed style, I think...
1722. # [16:28] <Mano> bsmedberg: getComputedStyle works afaict
1723. # [16:28] <Mano> maybe a frame is created just for that, i don't know.
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1725. # [16:29] * @bsmedberg doesn't know, then
1726. # [16:29] <@bz> mano: you can't
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1728. # [16:29] <@bz> mano: getComputedStyle for a node with no frame computes the style once and then throws it all away
1729. # [16:29] <@bz> mano: if you query it again, it's recomputed from scratch again
1730. # [16:29] <@bz> mano: we don't have a system for tracking dynamic changes of style on such nodes
1731. # [16:30] <Mano> bz: this breaks mac ui in some cases :-/
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1733. # [16:30] <@bz> it breaks all sorts of stuff
1734. # [16:30] <Mano> it watches for "image" attribute changes.
1735. # [16:30] <@bz> how are you watching for changes on nodes that _do_ have frames?
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1737. # [16:30] <Mano> bz: i don't yet. it's for native menus
1738. # [16:30] <@bz> Also, is your node display:none itself, or is some ancestor display:none
1739. # [16:30] <Mano> they never have frames
1740. # [16:30] <@bz> ah, yes
1741. # [16:30] <@bz> ok
1742. # [16:30] <Mano> bz: and given all of this, i think i'm going to change that
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1744. # [16:31] <@bz> ok
1745. # [16:31] <Mano> to visibility: hidden or something
1746. # [16:31] <@bz> mmm
1747. # [16:31] <@bz> you want something else, probably
1748. # [16:31] <@bz> since you don't want them to affect the rendering
1749. # [16:31] <@bz> which is not true for visibility:hidden
1750. # [16:31] <@bz> anyway
1751. # [16:31] <@bz> creating frames seems like the simple way out for you, yes
1752. # [16:31] <@bz> the other option is redesigning style storage so we can compute it on content and see dynamic changes
1753. # [16:32] <Mano> how would i watch then, btw?
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1755. # [16:32] <@bz> you'd have to change DidSetStyleContext for the relevant frames...
1756. # [16:32] <@bz> Or something
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1759. # [16:32] <Mano> bz: would that happen before the date in the topic? ;)
1760. # [16:32] <@bz> which "that"?
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1766. # [16:33] <Mano> redesigning style storage, of course
1767. # [16:33] <Mano> anyway
1768. # [16:33] <Mano> what are my options for forcing a frame, in general?
1769. # [16:34] <Mano> i'm not so worried about the rendering affects of visibility: hidden as long as i can control them in the theme
1770. # [16:34] <Mano> and i think i do...
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1776. # [16:36] <Mano> there's at least three reasons for creating frames there: 1) xbl attachment happening "implicitly" 2) tracking list-style-image 3) tracking visibility
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1780. # [16:38] <Yoric> I am currently testing some heavily asynchronous code using a chrome test, and I keep having errors in which the test looks for |ok|, or |this.fileLogger| – which are not defined in the context.
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1782. # [16:39] <Yoric> What can I be missing?
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1786. # [16:41] <espindola> mak: please at least write that on the bug so that others can see it
1787. # [16:41] <espindola> lunch, brb
1788. # [16:42] <mak> espindola: it's already in the bug
1789. # [16:42] <mak> see my various comments there
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1797. # [16:47] <@bsmedberg> anyone except jfkthame_afk know harfbuzz?
1798. # [16:48] * jfkthame_afk is now known as jfkthame
1799. # [16:48] <@bsmedberg> ooh
1800. # [16:48] <jfkthame> bsmedberg: you might be looking for jdaggett
1801. # [16:48] <jfkthame> bsmedberg: or for the real inside scoop, behdad sometimes hangs out in gfx
1802. # [16:49] <@bsmedberg> jfkthame: the actual chkstk call for bug 732925 is coming from http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/annotate/8c9e4873d419/gfx/thebes/gfxHarfBuzzShaper.cpp
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1804. # [16:49] <@bsmedberg> #l716
1805. # [16:50] <@bsmedberg> that frame appears to be 0x517C big
1806. # [16:50] <jfkthame> bsmedberg: the InitTextRun frame, is that?
1807. # [16:50] <@bsmedberg> yes
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1809. # [16:50] <@bsmedberg> it's not clear to me what in that frame is actually that big
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1811. # [16:51] <jfkthame> hmm - i bet that's because we allocate some fairly large auto-buffers on the stack to avoid heap allocation in most cases
1812. # [16:51] <jfkthame> but maybe we can slim those down significantly
1813. # [16:51] <@bsmedberg> via inlining? I don't see anything in that frame itself except for nsAutoTArray<hb_feature_t,20> features;
1814. # [16:51] <@bsmedberg> which shouldn't be a problem
1815. # [16:52] <jfkthame> i wonder if SetGlyphsFromRun gets inlined... nobody else calls it, so it'd make sense for the compiler
1816. # [16:52] <@bsmedberg> jfkthame: can this recurse at all?
1817. # [16:52] <jfkthame> no
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1819. # [16:53] <jfkthame> hmm, SetGlyphsFromRun doesn't seem to have as many autoarrays as i was thinking
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1827. # [16:57] <jfkthame> bsmedberg: well, i'm mystified - i don't see any reason for a 20K stack frame there
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1829. # [16:58] <@bsmedberg> want me to pastebin the assembly?
1830. # [16:59] <jfkthame> ok - not that i'm particularly fluent in reading it, but i'll take a look
1831. # [17:00] <NeilAway> mak: is this a mac native menu bug? got the bug#?
1832. # [17:00] <@bsmedberg> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1505102 is the function in question
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1834. # [17:00] <mak> NeilAway: what?
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1836. # [17:03] <Mano> i think NeilAway is confusing you with me
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1839. # [17:04] <Mano> i talked to bz about the observer issues in the mac menu code.
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1842. # [17:06] <jfkthame> bsmedberg: ah, it looks like it's inlined hb_ot_shape, which i think has a big frame....
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1846. # [17:07] <jfkthame> bsmedberg: i'll dig through the maze of twisty typedefs a bit further, but that's probably where most of the size is hiding
1847. # [17:07] <NeilAway> Mano: oops, sorry
1848. # [17:07] * NeilAway got the first two letters right :-P
1849. # [17:08] <NeilAway> Mano: is there a bug#?
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1851. # [17:08] <Mano> NeilAway: filing now, shall i cc you?
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1853. # [17:08] <NeilAway> Mano: no, was just wondering, thanks
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1856. # [17:09] <Mano> ok
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1869. # [17:14] <NeilAway> Mano: ah, so this would be to handle, say, a menuitem image that depends on whether the menu is disabled?
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1876. # [17:16] <mbrubeck> !seen dbaron
1877. # [17:16] <firebot> dbaron was last seen 13 hours, 18 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying 'njn, shouldn't be' in #developers.
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1884. # [17:22] <cers> does the snappy project have an irc channel? #snappy is empty :-S
1885. # [17:22] <lmandel> cers: #perf
1886. # [17:23] <cers> lmandel: thanks
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1891. # [17:27] <mbrubeck> So, is Bug 675484 perma-orange on inbound now...?
1892. # [17:28] <mbrubeck> since jfkthame's push, it looks like
1893. # [17:29] <jfkthame> mbrubeck: which orange is that?
1894. # [17:29] <mak> mbrubeck: there are failures before that push
1895. # [17:29] * jfkthame loads tbpl.......
1896. # [17:29] <mbrubeck> jfkthame: OS X debug M-oth
1897. # [17:30] <mbrubeck> Ah yes, I see one before jfkthame
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1900. # [17:30] <mak> mbrubeck: a lot of...
1901. # [17:30] <mbrubeck> yeah
1902. # [17:31] * mbrubeck is trying to see if there's a safe changeset to merge from m-i to m-c
1903. # [17:32] <philor> good luck with that!
1904. # [17:32] <bhearsum|buildduty> you can ignore the windows xpcshell failures
1905. # [17:33] <mak> the mac failure seem to have started at Bug 731845
1906. # [17:33] <mak> Bobby Holley – Bug 731845 - XPCWrappedNative::ReparentWrapperIfFound should handle preserved wrappers. r=mrbkap
1907. # [17:34] <jfkthame> i'm not seeing any mac builds for a bunch of pushes preceding bholley's, which makes it hard to tell
1908. # [17:34] <NeilAway> bah, he pinged out
1909. # [17:35] <mbrubeck> The two pushes before bholley's both had OS X debug builds...
1910. # [17:35] * mbrubeck retriggers
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1912. # [17:36] <mbrubeck> oh, before bholley's *previous* push
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1914. # [17:37] <dietrich> mdas: hi
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1917. # [17:38] <Mano> NeilAway: yes, do you have such a bug in sm?
1918. # [17:38] <Mano> examples would help my report.
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1921. # [17:39] <Mano> mac peers tend not to believe that if i filed a bug, it ought to be an edge case that doesn't really matter to anyone but me.
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1924. # [17:39] <Mano> tend to believe
1925. # [17:39] <Mano> sigh
1926. # [17:39] * @khuey has far too much email
1927. # [17:39] <NeilAway> Mano: I think stefanh mentioned such a bug, but I forget exactly what it was
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1929. # [17:39] <Mano> NeilAway: the other problem is that menu.css doesn't apply.
1930. # [17:40] <Mano> because the binding usually isn't attached
1931. # [17:40] <NeilAway> Mano: hmm, so what does that affect?
1932. # [17:40] <Mano> so list-style-image is inherited from menu to menuitems
1933. # [17:41] <Mano> for example, open in tabs may end up having the same icon as the folder
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1935. # [17:41] <Mano> theme authors work around that by setting list-style-image: none explicitly
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1937. # [17:42] <Mano> a while ago i added a "attach xbl" workaround to native menus, but it's only applied to the menupopup node.
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1939. # [17:43] <jlebar> mounir, ping
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1942. # [17:43] <@khuey> who is release-mgmt@mozilla.com?
1943. # [17:43] <bhearsum|buildduty> alex and lukas at this point, i think
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1946. # [17:45] <@khuey> ok
1947. # [17:45] <@khuey> thanks
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1953. # [17:48] <mounir> jlebar: pong
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1955. # [17:49] <jlebar> mounir, What kind of resolution do we give with the battery API?
1956. # [17:49] <mounir> jlebar: what do you mean? the resolution for the level?
1957. # [17:49] <mdas> dietrich: hey there! I was speaking with ctalbert about mirroring git repo onto hg, and he mentioned you were working on some related tool
1958. # [17:49] <jlebar> mounir, The level, or other things (anything else that's a number)?
1959. # [17:50] <mdas> dietrich: can you shed some light on what you're working on? I didn't have much time to discuss it with him
1960. # [17:50] <dietrich> mdas: not working on it, but needing something soon :)
1961. # [17:50] <@khuey> ew git
1962. # [17:50] <mounir> jlebar: it's implementation specific
1963. # [17:50] <mdas> dietrich: any related bug?
1964. # [17:50] <dietrich> khuey: git push remote cooties
1965. # [17:50] <mounir> jlebar: for example, the level is going to be very precise on Linux but you will get a 1% precision on Android
1966. # [17:50] <mounir> (to prevent draining battery by watching it...)
1967. # [17:51] <jlebar> mounir, So we have this threat with the idle service...
1968. # [17:51] <jlebar> mounir, Where, if two pages notice you came back from idle at the same exact time, they'll be able to figure out that you're the same person, on both pages.
1969. # [17:52] <jlebar> mounir, It seems like there's a similar attack with the battery, if you give high resolution.
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1971. # [17:52] <jlebar> mounir, I don't know how important it is.
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1973. # [17:52] <dietrich> mdas: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=731803
1974. # [17:52] <jlebar> mounir, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715041#c5
1975. # [17:52] <dietrich> mdas: and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713782
1976. # [17:54] <mounir> jlebar: that's interesting
1977. # [17:54] <mdas> dietrich: thank ye!
1978. # [17:54] <mounir> jlebar: it's probably worth openinng a security bug
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1980. # [17:54] <mounir> we could easily round the value in the DOM side before sending it to the website
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1984. # [17:55] <jlebar> mounir, Given that pages can already tell if you're on battery if you ever go off AC power, I'm not convinced that we're gaining much by not exposing "is battery-device" on the battery API.
1985. # [17:55] <jlebar> mounir, ...if that makes any sense.
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1987. # [17:55] <jlebar> mounir, Since it seems there are much stronger fingerprinting attacks.
1988. # [17:55] <mounir> jlebar: what do you mean?
1989. # [17:56] <jlebar> mounir, We don't expose a property mozBattery.isBatteryPoweredDevice, for fingerprinting reasons.
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1991. # [17:56] <jlebar> mounir, But of course a malicious page could approximate isBatteryPoweredDevice by looking to see if the device is ever unplugged or the charge goes below 1.
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1993. # [17:57] <jlebar> mounir, So I'm not sure how much we gain by not exposing isBatteryPoweredDevice.
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1997. # [17:59] <mounir> jlebar: to be able to do that, pages have to track you for a long time before being sure you really don't have a battery and even if, to know if that's the same person again, they have to track it for a long time again
1998. # [17:59] <mounir> seems quite hard
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2001. # [17:59] <mounir> I don't know much about tracking and fingerprinting but naively, that seems to make fingerprinting way harder
2002. # [17:59] <mounir> and really, no page should decently complain
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2005. # [18:00] <jlebar> mounir, I don't think it makes fingerprinting a lot harder, because you only need to get an approximation. If you're right more than 50% of the time, you're winning.
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2007. # [18:00] <jlebar> mounir, But what do you mean "no page should decently complain"?
2008. # [18:00] <mounir> this is not a useful feature
2009. # [18:01] <jlebar> mounir, Why not?
2010. # [18:01] <jlebar> Or...what's the point of exposing mozBattery to unprivileged content at all?
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2012. # [18:01] <mounir> jlebar: to know what is the battery status and show different content depending on that
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2014. # [18:02] <jlebar> mounir, For example?
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2016. # [18:02] <mounir> but the specs require specific default values if there is no device
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2020. # [18:02] <mounir> for example, use webgl/flash version of a website
2021. # [18:02] <mounir> or let say some complex and costly webgl effects in a game
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2023. # [18:03] <jlebar> mounir, Don't you just need plugged in / unplugged for that?
2024. # [18:03] <mounir> game developers actually ask us about that at the html5 games work week
2025. # [18:03] <@dolske> that seems like a big ask for arbitrary websites, I'd be surprised if any really bothered to take a hit to save your battery
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2027. # [18:03] <jlebar> also, what dolske said. :)
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2030. # [18:03] <@dolske> but if one must, would exposing a pleaseConservePower boolean be just as good?
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2032. # [18:04] <mounir> all returned values have defalut values that make sense if there is no battery
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2034. # [18:04] <jlebar> mounir, "Battery fully charged" does not make sense if you don't have a battery.
2035. # [18:04] <mounir>
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2037. # [18:05] <mounir> jlebar: that would be for a Battery Manager UI, right?
2038. # [18:05] <mounir> this is the only use case that would require to know if there is actually a battery
2039. # [18:05] <mounir> and that's a very specific use case
2040. # [18:05] <jlebar> mounir, Exactly. So why are we exposing that to anything other than the battery manager UI?
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2042. # [18:05] <mounir> to content
2043. # [18:05] <jlebar> Exactly.
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2047. # [18:06] <mounir> so, we had this discussion in a w3c call, and probably a few times in the DAP mailing list
2048. # [18:06] <jlebar> mounir, If you're saying that content needs only a "please conserve battery" boolean, why are we giving content this whole battery API?
2049. # [18:06] <sgautherie> ehsan: ping.
2050. # [18:06] <mounir> I'm not sure we are going to change anything by having it here
2051. # [18:06] <@ehsan> sgautherie: hi
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2053. # [18:06] <jlebar> mounir, I don't think we have any obligation to do what the w3c tells us to...
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2055. # [18:07] <sgautherie> ehsan: hi, would you have time for a simple review of Bug 732792 ?
2056. # [18:07] <@khuey> don't tell them that
2057. # [18:07] <jlebar> mounir, If you agree, I agree, and sicking agrees, are we going to do the wrong thing because some w3c people disagree?
2058. # [18:07] <@ehsan> sgautherie: sure
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2064. # [18:08] <mounir> jlebar: I do not agree nor sicking
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2066. # [18:08] <mounir> jlebar: this API has been made by sicking and I
2067. # [18:08] <jlebar> mounir, Okay, I'll write to the webapi list.
2068. # [18:08] <@ehsan> sgautherie: r=me
2069. # [18:08] <sgautherie> :-)
2070. # [18:09] <mounir> jlebar: seems better, thanks
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2111. # [18:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fa09b0296b3c - Serge Gautherie - Bug 732792. (Av1) test_bug674770-2.html: Set "middlemouse.contentLoadURL" preference too. r=ehsan.
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2113. # [18:23] <taras> where can i download a zip of our latest beta?
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2117. # [18:24] <jlebar> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ ?
2118. # [18:25] <jlebar> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/11.0b6/
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2120. # [18:25] <taras> jlebar: thanks
2121. # [18:25] * jlebar hopes that's right. :)
2122. # [18:25] <taras> err
2123. # [18:25] <taras> i dont get it
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2126. # [18:26] <taras> i was looking at http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/
2127. # [18:26] <taras> and there is no 11* in there
2128. # [18:26] <jlebar> taras, huh, that's weird.
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2132. # [18:27] <@khuey> that's because that's only for things we've really released
2133. # [18:27] <@khuey> AIUI
2134. # [18:28] <taras> yeah i get that, just confusing how similar those urls are
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2136. # [18:28] <taras> thanks guys
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2140. # [18:28] <taras> hmm
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2142. # [18:28] <taras> and that's not even a zip
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2151. # [18:32] <jlebar> taras, http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/channel/ ?
2152. # [18:33] <Mano> NeilAway: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733415 fyi
2153. # [18:33] <Mano> bz: ^^
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2155. # [18:34] <Mano> bz: your input would help much, esp. with regard to the alternatives.
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2158. # [18:34] <taras> is our build id displayed in the ui somewhere?
2159. # [18:35] <taras> it's clearly not 20100101 as instructions in https://wiki.mozilla.org/MozillaQualityAssurance:Build_Ids#Firefox_4_or_later suggest
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2161. # [18:36] <jlebar> taras, "about:"
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2167. # [18:37] <taras> jlebar: that's where i got the bogus date
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2169. # [18:38] <jlebar> taras, Oh...did we freeze that date in release builds?
2170. # [18:38] <jlebar> I seem to recall.
2171. # [18:38] <@khuey> yes
2172. # [18:38] <@khuey> we did
2173. # [18:38] <jlebar> taras, about:buildconfig
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2176. # [18:39] <taras> jlebar: no build id there. /me does it via js console
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2178. # [18:39] <@ted> jlebar: your reponse to lkcl about trolling made reading that thread worthwhile
2179. # [18:40] <@ted> (note: i did not read most of lkcl's posts)
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2183. # [18:40] <taras> right answer is 20120305181207, no idea how QA gets to it
2184. # [18:41] <jlebar> ted, heh, thanks. He seems to have gone away now, which is good.
2185. # [18:41] <@ted> jlebar: he's been beating this same drum for ages
2186. # [18:41] <@ted> and he has very poor conversational skills
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2189. # [18:42] <rhelmer> ted: alleged "developer" fails to develop social skills, film at 11
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2193. # [18:43] <@ted> heh
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2196. # [18:44] <@smaug> ted: welcome back, and congratulations
2197. # [18:44] <@ted> thanks
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2201. # [18:45] <@smaug> (and now that you don't have anything else to do, you can finalize the joystick patch ;) )
2202. # [18:45] <@ted> hehe
2203. # [18:45] <@ted> yeah
2204. # [18:45] <@ted> i'm only working 2 days this week
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2206. # [18:45] <@ted> thanks for the review
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2211. # [18:47] <@ted> smaug: i really do want to get this gamepad stuff finished and landed
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2216. # [18:48] * @smaug has plenty of stuff he wants to get finished and landed
2217. # [18:48] * @smaug needs some slaves
2218. # [18:48] <tchevalier> lmandel: ping
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2220. # [18:49] <lmandel> tchevalier: pong.
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2224. # [18:49] <tchevalier> Hi :) Hope I'm not disturbing you?
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2226. # [18:49] <lmandel> Nope. What's up?
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2228. # [18:50] <@khuey> smaug: that's what interns are for
2229. # [18:50] <tchevalier> lmandel: Ok :) I just want to be sure for what you're saying in your last sentence in bug 699806
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2231. # [18:50] <@smaug> khuey: I need to find some talented ones
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2234. # [18:51] <tchevalier> lmandel: Should we reprompt this crowd in Nightly/Aurora, or we can enabled it by default?
2235. # [18:51] <tchevalier> (Just for the last sentence)
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2237. # [18:51] <lmandel> tchevalier: We treat this group as having not made a Telemetry selection. They get the opt-out prompt on nightly/aurora and Telemetry is enabled by default.
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2240. # [18:52] <tchevalier> lmandel: Ok, great, thanks!
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2242. # [18:52] <lmandel> tchevalier: So I'm clear, will those users who have made a Telemetry selection get the opt-out prompt on nightly/aurora?
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2245. # [18:54] <tchevalier> I think this is not treated in my bug, but, yeah, they should have the opt-out prompt (and not the opt-in)
2246. # [18:54] <lmandel> OK. I'll check the other bug.
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2249. # [18:54] <lmandel> Keep plugging. I think you are making progress.
2250. # [18:55] <tchevalier> lmandel: Thanks :)
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2259. # [18:59] <@khuey> jmaher: ping
2260. # [18:59] <mak> mbrubeck: did you give up on merging?
2261. # [18:59] <jmaher> khuey: pong
2262. # [18:59] <@khuey> jmaher: what's the z-score threshold on talos?
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2264. # [19:00] <mbrubeck> mak: I'm going to wait for some of these retriggers to come back...
2265. # [19:00] <jmaher> khuey: z-score?
2266. # [19:00] <mak> mbrubeck: ah ok, good to know there
2267. # [19:00] <mak> mbrubeck: there's still work ongoing for that :)
2268. # [19:01] <@khuey> jmaher: maybe I should try someone else ;-)
2269. # [19:01] <@khuey> jlebar: ping?
2270. # [19:01] <jlebar> khuey, hey.
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2272. # [19:01] <jmaher> khuey: sorry I am in the dark on your question
2273. # [19:01] <@khuey> jlebar: see above about talos?
2274. # [19:01] <@khuey> darn
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2276. # [19:01] <@khuey> oh
2277. # [19:01] * @khuey mistook jmaher for jlebar
2278. # [19:01] <jlebar> khuey, Yes, but I don't know the threshold they're using.
2279. # [19:01] <@khuey> jlebar: ok, thanks
2280. # [19:02] <jlebar> jmaher, Talos uses a t-test.
2281. # [19:02] <jlebar> jmaher, But it has some threshold probability.
2282. # [19:03] <froydnj> hm, xpconnect UnexpectedFailure
2283. # [19:03] * jmaher still not parsing
2284. # [19:03] <jlebar> jmaher, See http://majutsushi.net/stuff/thesis.pdf page 59
2285. # [19:03] <@khuey> jmaher: how much of statistics class do you remember? :-)
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2287. # [19:04] <jlebar> khuey, 9.
2288. # [19:04] <jlebar> khuey, page 61, the t threshold is 9. All the stats are in the paper.
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2292. # [19:05] <@khuey> jlebar: that's ... interesting
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2294. # [19:05] <@khuey> jlebar: so, are the z-scores that talos reports meaningless?
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2296. # [19:05] <@bsmedberg> khuey: FF11 betas are still MSVC2005, right?
2297. # [19:05] <jmaher> khuey: I remember nothing about stats!
2298. # [19:06] <jlebar> khuey, I am not sure...looking.
2299. # [19:06] <jmaher> jlebar: ok, I am starting to put this into context now
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2302. # [19:06] <@khuey> bsmedberg: they should be!
2303. # [19:06] <@bsmedberg> damn MSVC
2304. # [19:06] <@khuey> bsmedberg: if they're not we have a problem!
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2306. # [19:07] <@bsmedberg> khuey: they probably are, I'm just discovering how badly the debug info sucks for PGO builds in some places
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2308. # [19:07] <jlebar> khuey, Maybe they don't use a t-test.
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2313. # [19:07] <@khuey> bsmedberg: ah, yes, last time I had to drop into asm
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2316. # [19:08] <@bsmedberg> oh, I'll well beyond that ;-)
2317. # [19:08] <jlebar> khuey, My uninformed guess would be that they use z=2, if they're doing that.
2318. # [19:08] <@bsmedberg> I have asm without any line information in a few frames
2319. # [19:08] <@khuey> jlebar: that's what I was expecting
2320. # [19:08] <jlebar> khuey, Hm, no, I see a z=1.708
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2322. # [19:08] <@khuey> mmm, ok
2323. # [19:08] <jlebar> khuey, I mean, using a z-test would be kind of silly, because you have two stddevs here.
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2325. # [19:09] <@khuey> right
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2329. # [19:13] <gavin> bz: if you have a second to sanity check https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=603327&action=edit that'd be great, TB builds are blocking on it
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2363. # [19:35] <jlebar> Are enums guaranteed to be int32's?
2364. # [19:36] <Waldo> in C, I think so
2365. # [19:36] <Waldo> in C++, I don't think so
2366. # [19:36] <Waldo> in C++11, you can select the underlying type of an enum
2367. # [19:36] <jlebar> Waldo, they would... :)
2368. # [19:36] <Waldo> :-)
2369. # [19:36] <jlebar> Waldo, In C++ before 11, were they always int32's?
2370. # [19:37] <Waldo> jlebar: I believe it depended on the values of the enum's initializers
2371. # [19:37] * Waldo looks it up
2372. # [19:37] <jlebar> Wow, /me did not think it would be that complex.
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2374. # [19:37] <jhammel> its C++ and you didn't think it'd be that complex? ;)
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2376. # [19:37] <jlebar> jhammel, I'm an optimist, I guess. :D
2377. # [19:37] <Waldo> The underlying type of an enumeration is an integral type that can represent all the enumerator values
2378. # [19:37] <Waldo> defined in the enumeration. It is implementation-defined which integral type is used as the underlying type
2379. # [19:38] <Waldo> for an enumeration except that the underlying type shall not be larger than int unless the value of an enu-
2380. # [19:38] <Waldo> merator cannot fit in an int or unsigned int.
2381. # [19:38] <Waldo> ^ C++98
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2384. # [19:38] <@bz> And even within that, some compilers don't support enums with values that don't fit in 32 bits
2385. # [19:38] <@bz> as we discovered the hard way. :(
2386. # [19:38] <jlebar> Waldo, yay. Okay, last question: Is int ever larger than int32_t?
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2389. # [19:39] <@bz> jlebar: int can be larger than int32_t, yes
2390. # [19:39] <Waldo> jlebar: it can be; I believe int only has lower-bound size restrictions
2391. # [19:39] <@bz> jlebar: per spec
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2393. # [19:39] <@bz> jlebar: though in practice it usually isn't....
2394. # [19:39] <jlebar> Hm. So I should ask my real question:
2395. # [19:39] <@bz> that always helps
2396. # [19:39] <@bz> because in practice any generic question about C/C++ is answered with "the behavior is undefined"
2397. # [19:40] <@bz> in my experience
2398. # [19:40] <jlebar> Suppose we have an enum which we want to convert to a number. Do we call the type "int"? Then I'd have foo(int val), as opposed to foo(int32_t val), and we usually frown on the former.
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2400. # [19:40] <@bz> you know nothing about this enum?
2401. # [19:40] <Waldo> if it's a generic enum, it's hopeless
2402. # [19:40] <jlebar> bz, I know everything about this enum.
2403. # [19:40] <@bz> ok
2404. # [19:41] <@bz> so just pick any integer type which can hold all the values?
2405. # [19:41] <Waldo> pick the type that encompasses all the initializer values
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2408. # [19:41] <jlebar> But if the enum is |int| and I pick int32_t, and int is bigger than int32_t...
2409. # [19:42] <jlebar> (I mean, I know the enum is -1, 0, 1, so it definitely fits in int32_t.)
2410. # [19:42] * @khuey chuckles at http://www.udacity.com/overview/Course/cs262
2411. # [19:42] <Waldo> if it's just -1, 0, 1, you can totally use int
2412. # [19:42] <Waldo> because int has to be at least int16_t-sized, I think
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2414. # [19:43] <jlebar> Waldo, So whether the implicit conversion from enum to int32_t succeeds is based on the values of the enum, not the width of the underlying enum type?
2415. # [19:44] <Waldo> jlebar: enum is just an unspecified integral type; conversions among integral types are always defined if the value of the from-type exists in the domain of the to-type
2416. # [19:44] <Waldo> if the to-type is unsigned, the conversion is always defined regardless of the from-type's value
2417. # [19:45] <Waldo> if the to-type is signed, conversion is defined iff the from-type's value exists in the to-type
2418. # [19:45] <jlebar> But if the conversion is narrowing, it's not implicit, right?
2419. # [19:45] <jlebar> Defined isn't the same as implicit.
2420. # [19:45] <derf> Waldo: Huh? enum's aren't int32's in C.
2421. # [19:46] <jlebar> (Anyway, it sounds like int32_t is safe, because we do not expect our compiler to generate a 64-bit int for this enum.)
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2423. # [19:48] <Waldo> derf: hmm, "The identifiers in an enumerator list are declared as constants that have type int and may appear wherever such are permitted."
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2425. # [19:49] <Waldo> derf: but also "Each enumerated type shall be compatible with char, a signed integer type, or an unsigned integer type. The choice of type is implementation-defined,"
2426. # [19:49] <jlebar> lol
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2428. # [19:49] <derf> Waldo: Yes.
2429. # [19:49] <Waldo> derf: so I guess "it's complicated" :-)
2430. # [19:49] <derf> The compiler picks some integer type.
2431. # [19:49] <derf> But it has to pick one to use for all enums.
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2435. # [19:49] <Waldo> C's conversion semantics aren't as nicely defined as C++'s, from what I understand, and as I recall
2436. # [19:49] <derf> So at least it can't change it on an enum-by-enum basis, like C++.
2437. # [19:50] <Waldo> wait
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2439. # [19:50] <Waldo> it doesn't have to pick one for all enums
2440. # [19:50] <Waldo> "each enumerated type"
2441. # [19:50] <derf> Read A.6.3.8.
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2443. # [19:51] <@bz> jlebar: narrowing conversions can be implicit
2444. # [19:51] <mbrubeck> Okay, I am now 95.4% sure that bug 731845 caused the test_native_mouse_mac.xul timeouts.
2445. # [19:51] <@bz> jlebar: e.g. passing an int64 to a function that takes int32 will work
2446. # [19:51] <Waldo> derf: is that the right reference? my c99 doesn't have it
2447. # [19:52] <@bz> jlebar: and do the sane thing if the value passed fits in int32
2448. # [19:52] <derf> Waldo: Oh, I'm looking at C89.
2449. # [19:52] * Waldo checks if he has a copy of C89
2450. # [19:52] <jlebar> bz, orly? I did not know that!
2451. # [19:52] <jlebar> bz, Does that live under "Appendix C, 'Footguns'"?
2452. # [19:52] <Waldo> hm, don't seem to have a copy of C89 atm
2453. # [19:52] <derf> Because 13 years later we still don't have widely deployed C99 compilers.
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2455. # [19:53] <Waldo> eh, there's enough to fake it for many things :-)
2456. # [19:53] <derf> Waldo: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1505361
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2458. # [19:54] <Waldo> interesting
2459. # [19:54] <derf> I suppose you could still read that the way you want, with very interesting documentation, but I've never seen a compiler that didn't just pick one type.
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2461. # [19:54] <Waldo> heh
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2463. # [19:55] <Waldo> "The underlying type of enums shall be int under a waxing moon; under a waning moon it shall be long; under a blue moon it shall be long long."
2464. # [19:55] <@bz> jlebar: no idea where it lives offhand
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2466. # [19:56] <derf> It's more fun when you make things unsigned.
2467. # [19:56] <Waldo> heh, true
2468. # [19:56] <derf> gcc will warn you about comparisons like enum_val < 0 always being true.
2469. # [19:56] <derf> Even though you can't remove that comparison, because it's not guaranteed if the enum is signed.
2470. # [19:57] <Waldo> Mozilla's actually not that far from being able to rely on compiler support for enums with specified types, in C++ code
2471. # [19:57] <derf> Err, always being false.
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2473. # [19:57] <Waldo> derf: template metaprogramming solves everything
2474. # [19:57] <@bz> Waldo: "not that far" == "move to clang on OSX"?
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2476. # [19:57] <jlebar> derf, Good thing we're not going on a crusade to nix all compiler warnings in Gecko, or anything, or that kind of thing would get pretty annoying.
2477. # [19:58] <derf> jlebar: Yes, thank heavens for that.
2478. # [19:58] <derf> My solution to the problem was to stop using enums, ever.
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2480. # [19:58] <derf> It's worked out great so far.
2481. # [19:59] <derf> Because as far as I can tell, the only purpose of an enum is to get compilers to emit stupid warnings.
2482. # [19:59] <Waldo> bz: taking a slightly long-ish view, I think so
2483. # [19:59] <Waldo> also on solving everything, https://twitter.com/#!/chrisblizzard/status/176879181093806080
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2486. # [19:59] <Waldo> some men do live on template metaprogramming alone
2487. # [20:00] <Waldo> enums at the boundaries in C++ are reasonably nice, with bit fields or whatever underlying (hidden by access controls and classes)
2488. # [20:00] <derf> Template metaprogramming certainly does solve any problems you had with your binaries being too small or your compilation being too fast.
2489. # [20:01] <Waldo> :-)
2490. # [20:01] <derf> Or with it being too easy to tell what code is actually invoked by a particular construct.
2491. # [20:02] <jlebar> derf, Oh, C++ without metaprogramming solves that one just fine.
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2527. # [20:15] <espindola> abort: unknown revision '79e1a5dc802cd9f4f27cff038a7ebfa0e6959442'!
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2529. # [20:15] <espindola> on a try
2530. # [20:15] <espindola> known problem?
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2532. # [20:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/75fcd465d506 - Bobby Holley - Bug 731442 - Back out f9145dab4be9 (bug 718543) due to test failures. r=backout
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2537. # [20:19] <philor> espindola: particularly known on win64, where we don't do quite as many smart things to avoid ever having to clone from hg.m.o
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2541. # [20:21] <espindola> philor: thanks
2542. # [20:21] <espindola> yes, it was on windows
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2544. # [20:22] <philor> win64 - win32 is better behaved
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2546. # [20:23] <mak> what's up with all that burning?
2547. # [20:23] <@bz> it's that time of year
2548. # [20:23] <@khuey> releng ;-)
2549. # [20:23] <@bz> cold outside
2550. # [20:23] * mak looks at #build and understands
2551. # [20:23] <@bz> is sicking still Paris-fleeting?
2552. # [20:23] <@bz> flitting, rather
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2556. # [20:24] <@khuey> yeah, he's out sick
2557. # [20:25] <bent> so, "no" :)
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2559. # [20:26] <NeilAway> khuey: so, he's "sick"-ing?
2560. # [20:26] <mbrubeck> uh oh
2561. # [20:27] * mbrubeck merge bad?
2562. # [20:27] <mbrubeck> no, looks like infra...
2563. # [20:29] <evilpie> bsmith: what is the current of the getRandom patch?
2564. # [20:29] <@bsmedberg> hrm, I managed to completely break aurora
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2566. # [20:29] <@khuey> nah, you probably didn't
2567. # [20:29] <@bsmedberg> oh, whew
2568. # [20:29] <@bsmedberg> return retry(func, *retry_args, args=args, kwargs=kwargs,
2569. # [20:29] <@bsmedberg> ^
2570. # [20:29] <@bsmedberg> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
2571. # [20:30] <@bsmedberg> what do I need to do?
2572. # [20:30] <mbrubeck> bsmedberg: Yeah, it's affecting all trees. Releng is backing out the infra change that caused it.
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2574. # [20:30] <bsmith> ddahl evilpie: we don't have to anything for e10s
2575. # [20:30] <bsmith> verified today in platform meeting
2576. # [20:30] <mbrubeck> bsmedberg: bhearsum|buildduty says it's backed out and you can retrigger the failed builds now.
2577. # [20:30] <@bsmedberg> bsmith: wait
2578. # [20:30] <@khuey> that's not true
2579. # [20:30] <@bsmedberg> bsmith: e10s for *desktop*. fennec is still using content processes and b2g will be
2580. # [20:30] * mbrubeck retriggers on m-c.
2581. # [20:31] <Mossop> Native fennec is still using content processes?
2582. # [20:31] <bsmith> in the platform meeting I asked "do we care about e10s" and the answer was "no"
2583. # [20:31] <@bsmedberg> XUL fennec is
2584. # [20:31] <bsmith> I think we're in the same meeting
2585. # [20:31] <bsmith> XUL fennec is stuck on 10.0, based on what I heard today
2586. # [20:31] <@bsmedberg> bsmith: that was lmandel talking about desktop only. The IRC conversation after that clarified.
2587. # [20:31] <gavin> I thought b2g cared about e10s
2588. # [20:31] <gavin> oh, bsmedberg just said that
2589. # [20:32] <philor> but what about b2g?
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2591. # [20:32] <bholley> mbrubeck: the backout looks busted
2592. # [20:32] <bsmith> I talked to philikon yesterday and he said that b2g isn't using e10s yet, but will at some point in the future
2593. # [20:32] <bent> yeah, we really need to get our message straight on this
2594. # [20:32] <bent> b2g will have to have e10s
2595. # [20:32] <@bsmedberg> mbrubeck: to retrigger I put the latest default revision into https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/mozilla-aurora"Create new dep builds"?
2596. # [20:32] <bsmith> so, I interpret that to mean that we don't have to have an e10s version of every patch we land right now, as long as we file bugs to block the e10s b2g
2597. # [20:32] <lmandel> bsmith: sorry if I was out of context. I answered no. The answer is no for desktop.
2598. # [20:32] <mbrubeck> bholley: Infra problem -- retriggering now.
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2600. # [20:33] <bsmith> if XUL fennec is going to stick to the ESR release, and B2G doesn't use e10s yet, then e10s isn't a P1 priority, right?
2601. # [20:33] <gavin> bz: gentle re-ping re: bug 723808 - I think Standard8 is still blocked on starting TB builds on it
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2603. # [20:34] <@bsmedberg> bsmith: I believe that the current status is that we don't want it to be broken
2604. # [20:34] <bsmith> The main question is, if I add a dom API, do I have to write the e10s patch for it, or is it OK to check in a patch that only works in the non-e10s case and have a follow-up for the e10s version
2605. # [20:34] <jviereck> Hi. Can someone point me to code in Gecko that renders the current page for printing?
2606. # [20:34] <@bsmedberg> kbrosnan had more details
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2608. # [20:35] <@khuey> jviereck: that's a lot of code ...
2609. # [20:35] <@khuey> jviereck: talk to smaug
2610. # [20:35] <evilpie> what is the problem with e10s anyway?
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2613. # [20:35] <@smaug> jviereck: I know only some part of it
2614. # [20:35] <bsmith> evilpie: Well, that's the status of the getRandomValues patch.
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2616. # [20:36] <@smaug> jviereck: layout/printing
2617. # [20:36] <evilpie> so looks like it has a patch :O
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2619. # [20:36] <jviereck> smaug: I'm working on implementing printing support and I'm wondering about adding somewhat like a low level canvas API for printing
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2623. # [20:37] <mbrubeck> m-c tip and m-i tip are backing out two bholley bugs that are anagrams of each other. 718543 + 731845 :D
2624. # [20:37] <@smaug> jviereck: implementing printing support for what?
2625. # [20:37] <@smaug> pdf.js ?
2626. # [20:37] <jviereck> yes
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2629. # [20:37] <bholley> mbrubeck: hahaha
2630. # [20:37] <@smaug> jviereck: so, you can print to a canvas already
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2632. # [20:37] <@smaug> if you talk about <canvas>
2633. # [20:38] <Mossop> bsmedberg: Do we have any suspicion that e10s or something else separating content from chrome is likely to come back for desktop or native fennec at any point in the foreseeable future?
2634. # [20:38] <vlad> (hope not!)
2635. # [20:38] <@smaug> jviereck: or, basically, you can can create print preview, and canvas.drawWindow
2636. # [20:38] <@bz> khuey, bent: thanks
2637. # [20:39] <@bz> gavin: looking; I just got the mail today
2638. # [20:39] <Mossop> Since right now we have a number of APIs in jetpack that were designed to support it but we could do much more simply if we can assume it is truly gone away
2639. # [20:39] <@smaug> Mossop: I sure hope so
2640. # [20:39] <@bz> gavin: not surprising, as I hadn't checked mail since Friday night, really!
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2642. # [20:39] <@bsmedberg> on desktop with the current XUL frontend, no. On Fennec with the native frontend... it's vaguely possible
2643. # [20:39] <@bsmedberg> Mossop: I wouldn't worry about it for jetpack unless you also want to support B2G or the futurama servo-based thing
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2646. # [20:40] <Mossop> So far we've not really seen it make much sense to have add-ons in B2G
2647. # [20:40] <@bsmedberg> Mossop: I still think jetpack should work assuming separate control flow, though
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2649. # [20:40] <jviereck> smaug: I'm not sure I follow you correctly. Are you saying, there is already some API that exposes a HTML canvas like API that allows me to send drawing commands to the printer directly?
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2652. # [20:40] <froydnj> why if we already have it for one platform is it so difficult to make go for others? </ignorance>
2653. # [20:40] <@smaug> jviereck: oh, no
2654. # [20:41] <@smaug> jviereck: there is just a way to create printing presentation and draw that to <canvas>
2655. # [20:41] <@smaug> but I guess if you'd want to print that canvas, the canvas would have to be huge and it would take tons of memory
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2658. # [20:42] <jviereck> smaug: that's why I want to send the commands direclty to the printing backend without rastering them
2659. # [20:42] <jviereck> smaug: but I don't know too much about Gecko, so I'm not sure if that's possible or not
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2663. # [20:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/c00a4ef21ac2 - Gavin Sharp - Bug 723808 followup: fix shared builds by avoiding use of nsContentUtils::IsSystemPrincipal, r=bz, a=bustage
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2668. # [20:45] <@smaug> jviereck: let me read some code...
2669. # [20:45] <Waldo> froydnj: lots of long-stable UI to rewrite, for one; lots of extensions, for another
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2674. # [20:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/78e56fd22f2a - Terrence Cole - Bug 733372 - Fix an infinite recursion in GC marking; r=billm
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2679. # [20:54] <@smaug> jviereck: so, you could look at nsPrintEngine::DoPrint
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2688. # [20:57] <njn> dbaron: I've never seen that kids/siblings encoding of an N-ary tree before, very clever. Also, I was amused to find that the calltree representation in trace-malloc stores the stack traces in the opposite order to how I do it in Massif :)
2689. # [20:57] <@dbaron> njn, which, in trace-malloc? Thank brendan for that.
2690. # [20:58] <njn> dbaron: yes, he was the author of that file
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2692. # [20:58] <@dbaron> njn, I don't think I've even read that code, to be honest.
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2694. # [20:58] <njn> dbaron: heh, ok
2695. # [20:58] <@smaug> jviereck: roc and dbaron and bz sure would know about layout and painting during printing
2696. # [20:59] <njn> dbaron: I think the easiest way to integrate DMD will be as an additional feature of trace-malloc rather than something separate
2697. # [20:59] <njn> dbaron: it'll just be relatively small extension to trace-malloc
2698. # [20:59] <jviereck> smaug: thanks a lot for pointing me at that code. I'm just about to try to understand how things work and this looks like exactly what I was looking for! Will ping back if it turns out it's not ;)
2699. # [21:00] <njn> dbaron: much simpler than a whole separate --enable-dmd thing
2700. # [21:00] <@smaug> jviereck: look at also renderingcontext
2701. # [21:00] <@smaug> jviereck: and things like !PresContext()->IsDynamic()
2702. # [21:00] <@smaug> jviereck: non-dynamic prescontext is printpreview/print
2703. # [21:00] <@smaug> (in general)
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2709. # [21:02] <jviereck> what's a "PresContext"?
2710. # [21:03] * @smaug hopes dbaron could give the exact answer ;)
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2712. # [21:04] <@smaug> presshell/prescontext (which should be merged) maintains the layout object tree
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2714. # [21:04] <@smaug> trigger reflows etc
2715. # [21:04] <@dbaron> jviereck, read https://wiki.mozilla.org/Gecko:Overview#Browsers.2C_Frames.2C_and_Document_Navigation , perhaps?
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2736. # [21:23] <Optimizer> hey
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2738. # [21:23] <Optimizer> can anyone help me with running some mochitest browser chrome tests ?
2739. # [21:23] <Optimizer> here is the error I am getting
2740. # [21:23] <Optimizer> http://mibpaste.com/DolrkT
2741. # [21:23] <Optimizer> I am on windows
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2746. # [21:25] <Mossop> autorun isn't a valid option there
2747. # [21:25] <Mossop> Optimizer: ^^
2748. # [21:25] <Optimizer> but the page says
2749. # [21:26] <Optimizer> you can use --autorunto automatically run
2750. # [21:26] <gavin> philikon: at least the browser/ parts of http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3e6a0fe55650 aren't really "NPOTB"
2751. # [21:26] <Optimizer> the test on startup
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2755. # [21:26] <Mossop> Optimizer: Where does it say that? That probably only works when running with "python runtests.py --browser-chrome"
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2757. # [21:26] <Optimizer> Mossop: and please see that I tried without autorun also
2758. # [21:27] <Mossop> Optimizer: What did you get when you tried without autorun?
2759. # [21:27] <philikon> gavin: #ifdef MOZ_B2G_RIL
2760. # [21:27] <gavin> o_O
2761. # [21:27] <philikon> gavin: does that qualify for NPOTB?
2762. # [21:28] <philikon> gavin: or because i touched a file in browser/, it doesn't?
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2766. # [21:28] <derf> jlebar: More reasons to never use an enum: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1505483
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2768. # [21:28] <Optimizer> Mossop: its in the tries in the pastebin
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2770. # [21:29] <jlebar> derf, lol. Maybe you can define the ++ operator with C++ "enum class Foo".
2771. # [21:29] <gavin> philikon: no, you're right, I didn't notice the ifdef
2772. # [21:29] <philikon> gavin: ok phew :)
2773. # [21:29] <philikon> gavin: thx for clarifying
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2776. # [21:29] <gavin> philikon: though I'm not sure I understand why there's such an ifdef in firefox
2777. # [21:29] <philikon> so that we can run this code in the desktop browser
2778. # [21:30] <philikon> which is considerably easier to debug
2779. # [21:30] <philikon> because you run it locally
2780. # [21:30] <philikon> and can poke at it with devtools
2781. # [21:30] <philikon> and gdb
2782. # [21:30] <philikon> etc.
2783. # [21:30] <gavin> so it's just for local debugging?
2784. # [21:30] <philikon> yup
2785. # [21:30] <gavin> seems unnecessary to put it in the package manifest at all, then
2786. # [21:30] <philikon> basically enabling telephony and sms apis etc. in firefox
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2789. # [21:30] <gavin> since that only impacts packaged builds
2790. # [21:30] <philikon> so you can run gaia locally and test it all
2791. # [21:31] <philikon> really?
2792. # [21:31] <Mossop> Optimizer: Did you disable tests in your mozconfig at all?
2793. # [21:31] <philikon> i didn't know!
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2795. # [21:31] <philikon> gavin: feel free to rip it out then (if that's really true)
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2797. # [21:31] <gavin> philikon: ok, I might file a bug
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2799. # [21:32] <philikon> gavin: cool
2800. # [21:32] <gavin> lot of changes to that file, I guess I can look at each of them
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2802. # [21:32] <Optimizer> Mossop: Ahh, my bad. ok II have enabled test, will rebuild Fx, but out of all the lines I tried, which one should work ?
2803. # [21:32] <gavin> we need to fix that stupid bug about each app having its own manifest
2804. # [21:32] <gavin> because this is kind of ridiculous
2805. # [21:33] <philikon> yeah
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2809. # [21:33] <gavin> fabrice: re: https://bug697006.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=602495 , why not remove the ifdefs rather than commenting them out?
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2811. # [21:34] <Mossop> Optimizer: This one looks likely to be fine "TEST_PATH=browser/devtools/sourceeditor/test/ build/pymake/make.py -C ff-opt mochitest-browser-chrome"
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2814. # [21:34] <fabrice> gavin: sure, will do
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2817. # [21:35] <Optimizer> Mossop: Thanks!
2818. # [21:36] <gavin> rs: do you know offhand what the status of bug 526333 is? are the dependencies still correct (blocked on 575894 600001)?
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2824. # [21:38] <rs> gavin: I don't *think* it is blocked by either of those bugs but khuey might have something up his sleeve. As far as that bug goes the main thing that needs to be done is figure out which files in the package.manifest that are not app specific along with the appropriate ifdef's for optional features.
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2829. # [21:40] <gavin> rs: ok
2830. # [21:40] <gavin> just grunt work then :)
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2832. # [21:41] <rs> yep... touchy grunt work. iirc the previous patch had it rather wrong
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2838. # [21:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c1e5daa36ab2 - Vicamo Yang - Bug 712809 - B2G SMS Database: Hook it up to RadioInterfaceLayer. r=philikon DONTBUILD because NPOTB
2839. # [21:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/00b93cf47142 - Vicamo Yang - Bug 729876 - Part 4: Support receiving sms of other alphabets. r=philikon
2840. # [21:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b33e731035a0 - Vicamo Yang - Bug 729876 - Part 2: Add all GSM 7-bit national languages. r=philikon
2841. # [21:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7392246c7a3a - Vicamo Yang - Bug 729876 - Part 1: Convert alphabet array to array of strings. r=philikon
2842. # [21:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b66d90efe07f - Fernando Jimenez - Bug 712809 - B2G SMS database. r=philikon
2843. # [21:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/89ccb9f4d5c1 - Vicamo Yang - Bug 729876 - Part 3: Support sending sms of other alphabets. r=philikon
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2847. # [21:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/85a0f57dd157 - Gavin Sharp - Bug 723808 followup: fix shared builds by avoiding use of nsContentUtils::IsSystemPrincipal, r=bz,a=Standard8 for landing in a Thunderbird specific relbranch
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2849. # [21:52] <BenWa> vladan: Do you know what the plan is for non destructive chrome hangs?
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2852. # [21:53] <vladan> BenWa: you mean the client-sdide reporting of chrome hangs? the patch has been r+'ed and i'm waiting to do a bit more testing before i merge it in
2853. # [21:53] <BenWa> Got the bug number?
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2860. # [21:58] <Jesse> BenWa: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712109 ?
2861. # [21:59] <BenWa> thanks
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2870. # [22:04] <jlebar> taras, Is there a telemetry histogram for startup time? I see startup I/Os, but not time...
2871. # [22:05] <gavin> those are "simple measurements"
2872. # [22:05] <jlebar> Ah, right...
2873. # [22:05] <jlebar> gavin, thanks!
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2880. # [22:08] <Optimizer> Mossop: After I rebuilt with tests enabled, I am using this line and getting this error
2881. # [22:08] <Optimizer> http://mibpaste.com/UaMEoF
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2884. # [22:10] <mbrubeck> So, these browser_aboutHome.js crashes on Inbound look annoying...
2885. # [22:11] <mbrubeck> crashing in js::gc::Cell::isAligned
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2889. # [22:11] <@khuey> guess it's not aligned hard enough
2890. # [22:12] <Mossop> Optimizer: What does your mozconfig look like now?
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2893. # [22:13] <Optimizer> http://mibpaste.com/1Qk0KW
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2896. # [22:16] <Optimizer> Mossop: any ideas ?
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2898. # [22:17] <Waldo> joe: maybe you could post that summary to planet when you write it ;-)
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2900. # [22:17] <Mossop> Optimizer: What happens if you run "python ff-opt/_tests/testing/mochitest/runtests.py --browser-chrome"
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2902. # [22:17] * froydnj watches reviewers GRANT ALL THE REQUESTS
2903. # [22:18] <Waldo> hmm, I should do reviews again, shouldn't I :-\
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2905. # [22:18] <Waldo> ugh, how'd I get up to 15 now? :-\
2906. # [22:19] <Optimizer> mossop: no such file
2907. # [22:19] <Mossop> By slacking!
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2909. # [22:19] <Mossop> Optimizer: Does ff-opt/_tests exist?
2910. # [22:19] <Waldo> the oldest one is only from Friday :-(
2911. # [22:19] <Optimizer> yes
2912. # [22:19] <Mossop> Waldo: Well, what were you doing all weekend? ;)
2913. # [22:19] <Optimizer> and _test/testing/mochitest/ also
2914. # [22:19] <Mossop> Odd
2915. # [22:20] <Mossop> Optimizer: Can you mibpaste a list of the files in there?
2916. # [22:20] <Optimizer> in where ?
2917. # [22:20] <Mossop> In ff-opt/_tests/testing/mochitest
2918. # [22:20] <Optimizer> no file
2919. # [22:21] <Optimizer> only one directory level
2920. # [22:21] <Optimizer> ff-opt/_test/testing/moxhitest/tests/dom/base/test/test_domrequest.html
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2922. # [22:22] <Optimizer> no other file except this directory structure and one file at the end
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2925. # [22:23] <Mossop> That's almost exactly what I'd expect to see if tests were still disabled for your build
2926. # [22:23] <Optimizer> but i gave you the mozconfig file's data
2927. # [22:23] <Optimizer> and I ran the build again also
2928. # [22:23] <mbrubeck> Okay, so terrence had already fixed the browser_aboutHome crash by the time I got around to asking about it. Woot! Now how about this new test_traceable_channel_wrap.js failure..?
2929. # [22:23] <Optimizer> do I have to clear the ff-opt folder before I build Firefox ?
2930. # [22:23] <Mossop> What does "python build/pymake/make.py -C ff-opt/testing/mochitest" do?
2931. # [22:24] <mbrubeck> glandium: Could this failure https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9856149&tree=Mozilla-Inbound be caused by https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4bc3e20ff0e0 ?
2932. # [22:24] <Optimizer> mossop: no makefile found
2933. # [22:25] <Mossop> Optimizer: How did you rebuild after you fixed the mozconfig?
2934. # [22:25] <Waldo> edmorley: the stringbuffer change, did that only happen on winxp, or did it happen elsewhere? more precisely, with what compilers did it occur?
2935. # [22:25] <Optimizer> python build/pymake/make.py -f client.mk
2936. # [22:25] <rs> run configure again
2937. # [22:26] <Optimizer> but it did not take 30 minutes this time, only around 5-7 minutes
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2940. # [22:26] <mbrubeck> I'm guessing glandium is not to blame because I don't think we even enable the custom linker except on Android.
2941. # [22:26] <Mossop> rs: Doesn't client.mk run configure automatically when mozconfig changes?
2942. # [22:26] <mbrubeck> so maybe it is glandium's other push, or it is jduell...
2943. # [22:26] <joe> Waldo: the current toronto political scene summary?
2944. # [22:26] <rs> Mossop: doesn't configure need to be run manually when using pymake?
2945. # [22:27] <Mossop> Not these days I think
2946. # [22:27] <Optimizer> how to run configure ?
2947. # [22:27] <Waldo> joe: yes
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2949. # [22:27] <joe> Waldo: :)
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2951. # [22:27] <Waldo> joe: although I was not entirely serious about actually posting it
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2954. # [22:27] <Waldo> joe: although I wasn't entirely un-serious, either, it could be interesting
2955. # [22:27] <rs> Don't know but I still run it manually
2956. # [22:27] <Optimizer> how to run it manually ?
2957. # [22:27] <mbrubeck> I'm guessing jduell
2958. # [22:27] <joe> Waldo: you were in a quantum superposition of seriousness
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2960. # [22:28] <Waldo> joe: that would be strange
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2962. # [22:28] <Optimizer> rs: how to run configure manually ?
2963. # [22:28] <joe> well aren't you charmed-ing.
2964. # [22:28] <jhammel> strange, charm, and four other quarks
2965. # [22:28] * joe will let himself out
2966. # [22:28] <jhammel> beh, got beat to it ;)
2967. # [22:28] <Mossop> Optimizer: I think "cd ff-opt; ../configure; cd ..", then try rebuilding again. If that doesn't work it might be easiest to just wipe the ff-opt directory and do a full build again
2968. # [22:28] <Waldo> \o/
2969. # [22:29] <Optimizer> mossop: going for the latter
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2972. # [22:29] <derf> There's another quark joke there involving beating, but it's wholly inappropriate so I won't make it.
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2977. # [22:32] <jhammel> two quarks walked into a bar....and the third one tunneled
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2981. # [22:35] <@bsmedberg> grr, I keep hitting the tab-close button when I meant to hit the bookmark star
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2983. # [22:36] <biesi> bsmedberg, I have the opposite problem!
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2992. # [22:40] <mbrubeck> woot! another new randomorange averted...
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3001. # [22:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/1ae045e9ce06 - tbirdbld - Added tag THUNDERBIRD_3_1_20_RELEASE for changeset 85a0f57dd157. CLOSED TREE a=release
3002. # [22:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/33a4b0ac2e13 - tbirdbld - Added tag THUNDERBIRD_3_1_20_BUILD1 for changeset 85a0f57dd157. CLOSED TREE a=release
3003. # [22:44] <stuart> win 21
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3007. # [22:49] <jhammel> stuart: no blackjack in #developers plz
3008. # [22:50] <stuart> w/e
3009. # [22:50] <stuart> i win
3010. # [22:51] <mbrubeck> bug 664163 has such a short, sad comment log. Maybe 2013 will be the year it sticks...
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3014. # [22:52] <edmorley> Waldo: there were a handful of regressions on dev.tree-management in the last 24 hours, I pasted all the ones I thought were related, but some of the others might be too, the ranges were less than helpful/I don't really trust the emails a lot of the time
3015. # [22:53] <Waldo> :-\
3016. # [22:53] <edmorley> less than ideal I know
3017. # [22:53] <Waldo> I am inclined to not count the change as associated with that bug, myself
3018. # [22:53] <Waldo> although, on the plus side, I'm looking at StringBuffer now and seeing useless methods in it, that I can just remove
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3022. # [22:54] <edmorley> the fact that there were multiple regression emails saying similar things, makes me think it's less likely to be just noise, but ultimately happy for you to deal with as you see fit
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3027. # [22:57] <edmorley> Waldo: most people don't seem to read dev.tree-management, so I try to paste the mails into bugs where I think there's at least a fair chance of something having gone on, but at that point I see my involvement as somewhat complete, given I often won't have enough understanding of the patches involved to know if it could have even caused the regression
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3029. # [22:57] <Waldo> yeah, this stuff is rocket surgery
3030. # [23:00] <Waldo> man, this is so pleasant removing these unimplemented/unused methods, because I'm recompiling the minimal set of dependencies now :-)
3031. # [23:00] <edmorley> :-)
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3038. # [23:05] <@smaug> imelven: sorry, I'm slow with reviews and feedback
3039. # [23:05] <@smaug> (or I'm doing to many reviews)
3040. # [23:05] <@smaug> too
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3050. # [23:09] <rniwa> smaug: do you know Boris' nick?
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3054. # [23:10] <@smaug> rniwa: bz
3055. # [23:10] <rniwa> bz: yt?
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3058. # [23:10] <rniwa> smaug: thanks!
3059. # [23:10] <Waldo> rniwa: always
3060. # [23:10] <Waldo> (not entirely joking)
3061. # [23:12] * froydnj hands Waldo his scalpel
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3063. # [23:12] <rniwa> hm... it seems like I don't have a sufficient power to summon bz :(
3064. # [23:13] <rniwa> or does anyone else know about NodeList -> HTMLCollection change for getElementsBy*?
3065. # [23:13] <@smaug> Hmm, no Ms2ger here
3066. # [23:13] <rniwa> I want to confirm that we're also changing the return type of getElementsBy* on Element interface as well as ones on Document
3067. # [23:13] <rniwa> :(
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3069. # [23:13] <rniwa> smaug: neither is sicking
3070. # [23:14] <rniwa> smaug: maybe dbaron would know?
3071. # [23:14] <@smaug> sicking is sick, I was told
3072. # [23:14] <rniwa> smaug: I see.
3073. # [23:14] <@smaug> Ms2ger is in CET
3074. # [23:14] <@smaug> so getting a bit late
3075. # [23:14] <@dbaron> about getElementsBy*?
3076. # [23:15] * armenzg_brb is now known as armenzg
3077. # [23:15] <rniwa> dbaron: so annevk changed the spec to return HTMLCollection instead of NodeList following the discussion on the mailing list
3078. # [23:15] * @smaug hasn't followed that discussion
3079. # [23:15] <rniwa> dbaron: but he only changed the return values of those functions on Document,
3080. # [23:15] <@smaug> sounds like a bug in the spec
3081. # [23:15] <rniwa> dbaron: and left ones on Element to return NodeList
3082. # [23:15] <@dbaron> rniwa, this isn't something I follow
3083. # [23:15] <@smaug> we want consistency
3084. # [23:15] <@dbaron> rniwa, but bz might
3085. # [23:15] <rniwa> smaug, dbaron: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15609
3086. # [23:15] * philor|away is now known as philor
3087. # [23:15] <rniwa> dbaron: yeah bz is the one who started this discussion
3088. # [23:16] <rniwa> and I want to change the webkit behavior to match new spec (and to kill named getter on node list)
3089. # [23:16] <@dbaron> rniwa, yeah, I'd guess bz would be around earlier or later
3090. # [23:16] <rniwa> okay, I guess I'll wait for bz to come back then
3091. # [23:16] <@smaug> rniwa: element.getElementsByTagName returns HTMLCollection
3092. # [23:16] <rniwa> dbaron: thanks.
3093. # [23:16] <rniwa> smaug: right on Gecko
3094. # [23:16] <rniwa> smaug: but not on WebKIt or according to the spec
3095. # [23:16] <@smaug> per spec
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3097. # [23:17] <rniwa> smaug: wait... :(
3098. # [23:17] <rniwa> smaug: yeah, you're right.
3099. # [23:17] <@smaug> spec seems to be consistent
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3101. # [23:18] <rniwa> smaug: yeah, somehow is
3102. # [23:18] * rniwa must have been looking at some stale version :(
3103. # [23:18] <rniwa> smaug: sorry about the confusion
3104. # [23:18] * rniwa goes back to webkit land and fixes the bug
3105. # [23:19] <@smaug> rniwa: always shift-reload specs ;)
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3109. # [23:19] <@smaug> (or whatever causes webkit browsers to bypass cache)
3110. # [23:19] <rniwa> smaug: oh, as in I must have been looking at the wrong url :(
3111. # [23:19] <@smaug> oh
3112. # [23:19] <imelven> smaug: no worries, i know you are busy
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3115. # [23:21] <imelven> smaug: still have plenty of tests to write as well :)
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3151. # [23:45] <bholley> mbrubeck: what was the result of the backout? Did it fix the orange?
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3160. # [23:51] <mbrubeck> bholley: Let me see if TBPL will load for me...
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3162. # [23:52] <mbrubeck> looks like TBPL still doesn't want to play
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3164. # [23:55] <mbrubeck> bholley: Well I can't get TBPL to finish loading, but bug 675484 has no new tbplbot comments since the backout. I don't know if that's because it's fixed or because no one else can load tinderbox either.
3165. # [23:55] <bholley> mbrubeck: I can't load it :-(
3166. # [23:56] <zzzzz> not loading here either
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