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# Session Start: Wed Mar 07 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <@dolske> bholley: does "compartment per global" mean each page (even same-origin) has it's own individual compartment?
# [00:01] <bholley> dolske: you betcha
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# [00:02] <@dolske> omgyay
# [00:02] <bholley> dolske: it's exciting
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# [00:02] <bholley> dolske: it's one of two things blocking |rm -rf caps|
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# [00:03] <@dolske> OMGYAY
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# [00:05] <Mossop> Exciting, and terrifying given the problems we've hit in jetpack with cross-compartment stuff!
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# [00:06] <bholley> Mossop: which problems?
# [00:06] <bholley> Mossop: it'll be better for jetpack, since the cross-compartment situation will no longer be a special case
# [00:07] <njn> Unfocused: ping
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# [00:09] <dholbert> bz, ping?
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# [00:12] <mbrubeck> filed bug 733592 for TBPL issues
# [00:15] <njn> dolske: it'll allow per-tab memory reporting in about:memory, too
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# [00:15] <njn> dolske: something that has only been requested about 6000 times
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# [00:18] <Daeken> gw280: http://byuu.org/bsnes/
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# [00:20] <gw280> woo
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# [00:38] <jwir3> hey has anyone heard of issues on os x where updates to aurora are causing involuntary restarts/closes of the desktop?
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# [00:43] <bholley> khuey: do mochitest todos go orange when they start passing?
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# [00:45] <philor> they do
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# [00:53] <fabrice> gavin: any idea why Cu.import("resource:///modules/webappsUI.jsm") would fail in nsBrowserGlue.js but not from browser.js ?
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# [00:55] <cshields> we're looking into tbpl
# [00:55] <dholbert> bholley, yes (if you didn't see philor's response above)
# [00:55] <cshields> rhelmer: philor: ping
# [00:55] <bholley> dholbert: thanks
# [00:55] <philor> cshields: pong
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# [00:56] <cshields> sheeri: can you explain the query issue to philor
# [00:56] <dholbert> Sound familiar to anyone? --> "###!!! ASSERTION: Hmm, somebody did something evil?: '::JS_GetPrototype(proto) && JS_GetClass(::JS_GetPrototype(proto)) == sObjectClass',"
# [00:56] * fox2mike is poking on the apache side
# [00:56] <dholbert> (from nsDOMClassInfo.cpp:4906)
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# [00:57] <sheeri> philor: the problem is there's a dependent subquery, and MySQL doesn't handle subqueries well. In this particular case, it's a NOT IN subquery and can be changed to a LEFT JOIN for better performance.
# [00:57] <dholbert> (Just started hitting that in my debug build today (fresh profile), on back/forward navigation)
# [00:58] <nemo> sheeri: heh. those aren't a good idea even in Oracle :)
# [00:58] <philor> sheeri: sure, I wasn't at all arguing that the problem didn't exist, I'm just saying that we've been doing that exact same thing since last October, so it only really works as a reason why we're busted today if we're under way more load than usual
# [00:58] <sheeri> *nod*
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# [00:58] <sheeri> philor: OK, I don't have an explanation as to why there are a metric ton of these today and not other days.
# [00:58] <nemo> sheeri: and, slightly worse in the WHERE clause. not as bad as a subselect in the FROM table list.
# [00:58] <nemo> er
# [00:59] <nemo> that is, putting it in FROM is better :)
# [00:59] <sheeri> nemo: sadly, derived tables are evil in MySQL, since it doesn't have materialized views.
# [00:59] <sheeri> derived table = subquery in FROM clause
# [00:59] <nemo> sheeri: ehm. I'm skeptical oracle is automatically materialising these
# [00:59] <nemo> although there is clearly caching over multiple executions
# [00:59] <sheeri> nemo: postgres does it D:
# [00:59] <sheeri> er, :D
# [01:00] <philor> if you want to fix it right away, cool by me, but I'm at work without a tree or ssh key, and everybody else who works on tbpl is named Swatinem and is in European time, and tbpl-dev has a patch blocked on us not having any access to any logs, so... good luck patching it directly on prod I guess :)
# [01:00] <nemo> lot of nice things about postgres. I had no idea for example it is oracle pl/sql compatible. if we didn't have an oracle DBA, I'd switch... :)
# [01:00] <sheeri> philor: the problem is it's killing other Mozilla properties like firefoxflicks and closing trees.
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# [01:01] <philor> sheeri: understood, I'm the one who closed one of the trees
# [01:01] <philor> I'm also completely unable to actually do anything about it other than offer advice for another 3.5 hours
# [01:02] <sheeri> philor: OK, from the db side all I see is the queries are all coming from the load balancer, which is appropriate and I'm not the right person to check the load balancer or app logs or whatever to figure out why we have increased load.
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# [01:07] <rhelmer> philor: hmm what is the issue with -dev, is there a bug?
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# [01:08] <rhelmer> philor: we could branch in theory, and point dev at the branch for the moment
# [01:08] <edmorley> rhelmer: bug 718632 and friends
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# [01:09] <philor> rhelmer: the issue with dev is bug 718632 being blocked by bug 730677, but that's not important right now ;)
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# [01:10] <philor> branches are a pain, it's just one patch to back out for whoever is hypothetically backing it out
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# [01:19] <Unfocused> njn: pong
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# [01:21] <philor> fox2mike: so, no extreme load on tbpl or anything like that, just suddenly that bad query we've been making since October decided to show itself?
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# [01:23] <philor> seems surprising, but I guess the db could have just grown to the size where it becomes a problem
# [01:23] <Boriss> paul: ping
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# [01:23] <fox2mike> philor: We're still looking.
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# [01:24] <philor> gps: guess who's busted?
# [01:24] <gavin> fabrice: no - that sounds pretty weird
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# [01:25] <gps> philor: I pushed that patch to try
# [01:25] <gps> what's failing? make check?
# [01:25] <philor> yep
# [01:25] <gps> log please?
# [01:26] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9864596&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [01:26] <gps> I fixed this!
# [01:27] <edmorley> qref ftw
# [01:27] <philor> then why didn't you give us the good fixed stuff, instead of keeping that for yourself and giving us the old mangy leftovers?
# [01:27] <gps> yeah, I think the qref didn't make it across computers
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# [01:29] <gps> oh. I folded the patch into part 2, not part 1. doh
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# [01:34] <paul> Boriss: pong
# [01:34] <cshields> rhelmer: philor: just so I'm on the same page, you guys are working on a new query right?
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# [01:35] <philor> cshields: not me, I'm at work for another 2.5 hours
# [01:35] <gps> philor: I have a one line patch. permission to CLOSED_TREE it?
# [01:35] <philor> gps: let's wait, it's not going anywhere, unless you're about to be going away?
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# [01:37] <gps> philor: depends how long I need to wait ;)
# [01:38] <cshields> rhelmer: you ^^^?? tree's down until this is fixed..
# [01:38] <gps> if I go away, the patch is at http://gps.pastebin.mozilla.org/1505766
# [01:39] <philor> cshields: tbpl is actually up and working since sheeri killed a bunch of over 5 minute queries
# [01:39] <cshields> not so
# [01:39] <cshields> that query came back and caused problems again right away
# [01:39] <cshields> I take that back,
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# [01:39] <cshields> its working because she is systematically killing those queries
# [01:40] <WG9s> It is still not working for me.
# [01:40] <philor> ah, how fun :)
# [01:40] <cshields> so it is working enough with that query being killed to reopen the tree?
# [01:40] <gps> WG9s: it takes a while to load for me, but it does light up
# [01:40] <cshields> er, not according to WG9s :)
# [01:40] <sheeri> for confirmation I have a script that's killing those queries, waiting 60 seconds, then killing any of those queries, lather, rinse repeat.
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# [01:41] <cshields> which would break a user's request relying on that query (like probably WG9s )
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# [01:42] <philor> "those queries" are the ones that fill in the letters that say how a job did, so every single load of tbpl absolutely requires them, working or not is just a matter of whether you can finish loading the whole thing in less than 60 seconds
# [01:42] <philor> or stay in phase with sheeri :)
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# [01:43] <philor> what part of the minute does the script start at, so I can load five seconds later?
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# [01:44] <edmorley> sheeri: what do the logs say for the source of the excessive load (given that the query hasn't changed since october)?
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# [01:44] <edmorley> since surely that's the question that needs answering first...
# [01:44] <mbrubeck> woo, tbpl is back
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# [01:45] <sheeri> edmorley: the load balancer
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# [01:46] <edmorley> and the load balancer logs...?
# [01:46] <sheeri> edmorley: ask cshields
# [01:46] <philor> cshields: what do the logs say for the source of the excessive load, if it's load rather than just the db overgrew?
# [01:46] <cshields> there is no excessive load
# [01:46] <fox2mike> edmorley: what do you need?
# [01:47] <edmorley> fox2mike: 302 philor
# [01:47] <mbrubeck> looks like I backed out bholley in vain
# [01:47] <cshields> what load is being generated, is because clients are backing up waiting on that query
# [01:47] <mbrubeck> possibly
# [01:47] <fox2mike> edmorley: I thought philor was busy at work... :)
# [01:47] <bholley> mbrubeck: \o/
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# [01:47] <sheeri> philor: I can leave the queries going, but they were running for over 10 minutes and causing connections to pile up and time out
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# [01:47] <sheeri> philor: do you want me to stop the killing?
# [01:48] <mbrubeck> bholley: Actually, I'm not sure... we have 1 failure out of 6 runs after the backout, which is a lower average than before the backout...
# [01:49] <sheeri> philor: also, why are there so many queries? Is this a script that checks every single tbpl entry or something?
# [01:49] <@khuey> bholley: yes
# [01:49] <jaws> bent: i think the nsTArrayToJSArray function is giving me a compartment mismatch. any ideas how to fix it?
# [01:49] <WG9s> I did just get it to work once!
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# [01:50] <edmorley> fox2mike: he is, but he understands tbpl much better than I. The main issue we have is that the query hasn't changed for 5 months, so whilst yes it would be nice to optimise it soon, blaming it, rather than higher than normal load / the DB growing, doesn't seem to make sense
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# [01:50] <fox2mike> edmorley: true and we've been looking at stuff and nothing else seems to point at trouble, so far.
# [01:51] <bent> jaws, not without a stack or something... you must be passing the wrong global>
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# [01:52] <edmorley> fox2mike: did the load balancer logs rule out spidering?
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# [01:52] <WG9s> THis might be geting better.
# [01:52] <njn> Unfocused: reping! :)
# [01:52] <edmorley> fox2mike: tbpl doesn't have a robots.txt
# [01:54] <cshields> if spidering kills tbpl with 100 nodes serving it, we have a bigger issue at hand
# [01:54] <Unfocused> njn: repong!
# [01:54] <sheeri> we dont' know if it's a spider, it could be someone DOS'ing it for some reason. or some random bug somewhere.
# [01:55] <dholbert> when's the next source uplift?
# [01:55] <dholbert> oh
# [01:55] <edmorley> dholbert: /topic :-)
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# [01:55] <dholbert> d'oh
# [01:55] <edmorley> lol
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# [01:57] <fox2mike> dholbert: so tbpl seems to be okay now?
# [01:57] <edmorley> dholbert: We'd deliberately removed the tree status, since it's often out of sync, and tbpl/the tree hook was deemed to be a better source
# [01:57] <dholbert> heh edmorley -- you beat me by a few seconds. (I restored the most recent one I could find, which matches the one you just set, plus the xpidllex.py thing)
# [01:57] <mbrubeck> I'm still getting an occasional 500 error, but it's mostly working.
# [01:58] <fox2mike> 500 on which URL?
# [01:58] <dholbert> fox2mike, no idea
# [01:58] <WG9s> Well, I seem to be able to get it to load constantly now but it is still sow as molasses.
# [01:58] <joduinn-mtg> cshields: sheeri do we even know if the load is coming from inside mozilla (rapant cron job/error) or outside mozilla (possible DOS)?
# [01:58] <fox2mike> I need specific broken URLs so I can debug some more.
# [01:58] <cshields> there's no "excess" load
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# [01:58] <dholbert> bz, ping?
# [01:58] <edmorley> dholbert: thanks :-) (xpidl issue has somewhat been and gone + there was a planet post since)
# [01:58] <mbrubeck> fox2mike: Or I should say, I still get an occasional "loading failed" error -- previously that was a 500 on getRevisionBuilds.php. I'll run for a while with the console open and see if that's still what's happening.
# [01:59] <dholbert> edmorley, cool
# [01:59] <cshields> the loading failed is probably because the underlying db queries are being killed (right, sheeri)_
# [01:59] <WG9s> And just go a load failed on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/
# [01:59] <fox2mike> on the main page?
# [01:59] <sheeri> killing stopped
# [01:59] <nthomas> use the web console guys
# [01:59] <mbrubeck> It seems a bit slow generally too.
# [01:59] <WG9s> well i thought only killing queries runnign over 10 mins
# [02:00] <joduinn-mtg> cshields: um. ok. /me saw increased load being discussed above by edmorley .
# [02:00] <WG9s> wich this one clearly was not.
# [02:00] <Unfocused> njn: i'm not sure you completely understand how ping/pong is meant to work... ;)
# [02:00] <sheeri> page loads now, WG9s
# [02:00] <fox2mike> page loaded for me too.
# [02:01] <edmorley> joduinn-mtg: I was basing on bug 733556 comment 3
# [02:01] * joduinn-mtg steps back out of the way, and lets cshields, sheeri work it out with philor and edmorley
# [02:01] <mbrubeck> hmm, now I am 2/7 post-bholley-backout
# [02:01] <bholley> mbrubeck: I have been wrongly accused! ;-)
# [02:01] <rhelmer> cshields: ok finally able to look at the tbpl thing
# [02:02] <rhelmer> cshields: sounds like we need to back out an experimental patch and then test the new query, and push it to see if it helps load
# [02:02] <mbrubeck> bholley: Definitely looking that way!
# [02:02] <rhelmer> cshields: not seeing anything unusual in terms of inbound traffic?
# [02:02] <cshields> experimental patch? did that make it to prod?
# [02:02] <rhelmer> cshields: no, but we don't want to push it
# [02:03] <rhelmer> cshields: to prod
# [02:03] <fox2mike> rhelmer: not really.
# [02:03] <cshields> got it
# [02:03] <fox2mike> I'm checking now
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# [02:03] <rhelmer> fox2mike: cool
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# [02:04] <bholley> mbrubeck: I've got to head out soon - are you likely to be able to back me back in, or should I do it tomorrow?
# [02:04] <mbrubeck> bholley: I'll re-land your patch tonight if the numbers hold up.
# [02:04] <bholley> mbrubeck: awesome, thanks :-)
# [02:05] <mbrubeck> actually, I just realized I've been counting from the wrong changeset
# [02:05] <mbrubeck> (I pushed too many backouts today!)
# [02:05] <WG9s> Page is loading now and at a normal speed.
# [02:05] <mbrubeck> There have been 2 timeouts post-backout, but the number of green runs is larger than I thought.
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# [02:08] <mbrubeck> Okay, the correct post-backout count is 6 timeouts in 15 runs
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# [02:08] <njn> is a Win64 opt red on try to be expected? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9864710&tree=Try
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# [02:08] <mbrubeck> which is right in line with the pre-backout numbers
# [02:09] <mbrubeck> njn: That was from an infra issue that hit all trees earlier
# [02:09] <edmorley> njn: that's hg issues, so yeah pretty much
# [02:09] <njn> mbrubeck: k, thx
# [02:09] <mbrubeck> njn: It should build successfully if you retrigger now.
# [02:09] <njn> edmorley: thx
# [02:09] <njn> mbrubeck: we'll see when I land it on m-i :)
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# [02:09] <mbrubeck> Speaking of which, I think we can reopen inbound
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# [02:11] <mbrubeck> gps:
# [02:11] <mbrubeck> err, yeah. :)
# [02:11] <njn> gps: dammit
# [02:11] <gps> :)
# [02:11] <mbrubeck> njn: gps has bustage to fix. :)
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# [02:45] <rhelmer> philor: who usually reviews tbpl patches nowadays? swatinem and mstange aren't going to be around yet right?
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# [02:48] <njn> jlebar|mac: http://blog.mozilla.com/nnethercote/2012/03/07/memshrink-progress-week-38/comment-page-1/#comment-5572
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# [02:58] <philor> rhelmer: but you don't have any other good choices, unless you can manage to capture ehsan's attention, and good luck if you aren't in Toronto to do it in person
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# [02:58] <rhelmer> philor: heh, well in this case I think it's pretty clear cut, and it works locally
# [02:58] <rhelmer> philor: i did get review on the query at least, no XSS vectors that I can see etc
# [02:58] <philor> rhelmer: pick someone from webdev who knows mysql, or just push, either one works
# [02:58] <rhelmer> yeah
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# [02:58] <rhelmer> philor: well it's going to -dev first in any case
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# [02:59] <rhelmer> philor: btw can you pm me the tbpl-dev password? I seem to have misplaced it :)
# [02:59] <rhelmer> philor: oops belay that, found it
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# [03:01] <rhelmer> philor: ok pushed it, sheeri reviewed the SQL and that's the only change
# [03:02] <rhelmer> philor: so we should be able to check it out on tbpl-dev shortly
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# [03:10] <rhelmer> philor: ah nm https://tbpl-dev.allizom.org/cache/revision_info.txt
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# [03:13] <philor> rhelmer: yep, sure, oh okay, good, yep, sure is, yep that's it ;)
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# [03:13] <rhelmer> philor: :)
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# [03:14] <rhelmer> philor: ok it's live now, looks ok to me.. since the crisis seems to have passed I guess we can leave it alone, but now we have a patch ready to go if it flares up again
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# [03:16] <philor> rhelmer: okay if you say so, I don't have any idea whether it has actually passed, or is just gathering steam for the next round, but it looks fine to ship to me
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# [03:17] <philor> cshields: got any idea whether we're all better, or just stacking up queries waiting to explode at midnight?
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# [03:18] <rhelmer> philor: hmm yeah maybe we're better off just shipping it, it's easy to roll back after all
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# [03:22] <jlebar> nsDocument::DeleteShell gets called when a document is detached from its presentation shell, like when I close a tab which contains the document?
# [03:22] <jlebar> Or is the reality more complex than that?
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# [03:22] <@khuey> that's one possible scenario
# [03:22] <@khuey> there are others
# [03:22] <jlebar> khuey, Before you explain all the complexity...
# [03:23] <jlebar> khuey, Is DeleteShell a good place to drop all our decoded images?
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# [03:24] <@khuey> it seems like it may be, yes
# [03:24] <@khuey> it definitely means "we're no longer going to be painting this thing"
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# [03:24] <jlebar> Fantastic.
# [03:24] <jlebar> khuey, Thanks!
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# [03:30] <philor> guess another possible reason for tbpl's sudden climb to infamy is that it just doesn't give up - something happened, db got slow, the something went away but tbpl still wants its 10+ queries per person every 2 minutes, and keeps stacking them up, so by the time anyone looks...
# [03:30] <philor> there it is, sitting in the middle of the kitchen floor surrounded by bits of broken cookie jar
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# [03:31] <rhelmer> philor: hmm does it use memcache or anything? the db is probably busy enough with other things that it's not caching effectively
# [03:31] <rhelmer> doesn't look like it
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# [03:32] <philor> no idea, the entirety of how much load we're causing, how much over a reasonable db size we're going, all that's a total blank
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# [03:33] <rhelmer> philor: we should look into how many requests we're getting for the same URLs, I bet the cache hit would be pretty good with memcache or redis or something between the app and the db
# [03:34] <rhelmer> philor: I'll investigate a bit and file a bug
# [03:34] <philor> thx - I don't know enough to even know what questions to ask, and every time I try anyway, IT gets the feeling they are trying to teach a pig to sing
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# [04:22] <bjacob> tbpl is down :-/
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# [04:26] <bjacob> is there a prayer for TBPL?
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# [04:27] <bjacob> (prayers are like magic incantations, right?)
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# [04:28] <bjacob> TBPL fixatus reparatibus workibus amen
# [04:28] <bjacob> firebot: ^
# [04:28] <firebot> bjacob: Oh, I know this one! ^ is the current string
# [04:29] <bjacob> thank heaven, my prayer has been heard
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# [04:33] <nthomas> hg.m.o seems to be the problem
# [04:33] <bjacob> ah
# [04:34] <nthomas> I got |GET https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getHiddenBuilderNames.php?branch=mozilla-inbound [HTTP/1.0 500 Internal Server Error 4932ms]|
# [04:34] <gps> quick: push ALL THE PATCHES before the trees close!
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# [04:35] <bjacob> hg push -f *
# [04:35] <bjacob> oops, wrong window
# [04:35] <nthomas> two volunteer sheriffs, awesome!
# [04:35] <@bz> Anyone know this MOZ_PROFILING thing and how it's expcted to work?
# [04:35] <@bz> er, expected
# [04:36] <bjacob> bz: is this BenWa's profiler or something else?
# [04:36] <@bz> dunno
# [04:36] * @bz is just being asked to review patches, with no context
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# [04:36] <BenWa> bz: Which patch?
# [04:36] <BenWa> MOZ_PROFILING is a macro used for enabled-profiling builds
# [04:36] <BenWa> it's not tricking related to any profiler usage
# [04:37] <@bz> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=729182 is the relevant bug
# [04:37] <BenWa> Ideally we shouldn't have any code use the IFDEFs, but there are some exception
# [04:37] <BenWa> You want a enable-profiling builds to be identifical, only have different build flags
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# [04:38] <@bz> well, this code is certainly not being "identical"...
# [04:38] <@bz> (it's adding a GetSpec on a URI, #ifdef MOZ_PROFILING
# [04:38] <bjacob> bz: review Ms2ger's ImageData patches first! if you need to prioritize reviews
# [04:38] <@bz> bjacob: working on it
# [04:38] <@bz> bjacob: also a few other things
# [04:38] <bjacob> cool
# [04:38] <@bz> bjacob: one way or another they will be done by Thurs night
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# [04:39] <bjacob> works! cool
# [04:39] <@bz> bjacob: since I have few hours on planes on Thursday
# [04:39] <BenWa> Looks interesting to say the least
# [04:39] <BenWa> But sticking this code under MOZ_PROFILING isn't right
# [04:39] <@bz> so is MOZ_PROFILING the thing that --enable-profiling enables?
# [04:39] <BenWa> Well ideally --enable-profiling only turns on frame pointers
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# [04:40] <BenWa> But a few things already use it for small non invasive profiling features
# [04:40] <BenWa> You certainly don't want feature that will impact performance measure of other profilers to be introduced under that macro
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# [04:41] <@bz> yeah, ok
# [04:41] <@bz> sounds like r- to me
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# [04:52] <nthomas> bjacob: how's your tbpl now ?
# [04:53] <philor> 500, 500, 500, 500, 500, 500
# [04:53] <bjacob> nthomas: still loading :)
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# [04:54] <bjacob> nthomas: is still get some 500
# [04:54] <nthomas> ok, not just me then
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# [04:55] <philor> tbpl-dev, otoh, is just fine
# [04:55] <bjacob> philor: tbpl-dev?
# [04:55] <nthomas> philor: and if the prod db was imported to dev, I wonder if it would struggle too
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# [04:57] <glob> http://i.imgur.com/5iQt6.jpg
# [04:57] <philor> nthomas: dunno, but the only difference should be stars
# [04:59] <philor> stars, and a different db server, and different neighbors
# [04:59] * philor manages a few 200s off prod
# [05:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fca77ac7cdf9 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 732605 - Only schedule shorter sync interval if records were successfully applied; r=rnewman, r=mconnor
# [05:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f1eb3a70f495 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 733237 - Make test HTTP sync server behave more properly; r=rnewman
# [05:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1834dfe74e7a - Luis Arteaga - Bug 727682 - Remove superfluous Services.jsm import
# [05:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fbcd3b5adcbb - Gregory Szorc - Merge m-c into s-c
# [05:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ad71876dbb56 - Gregory Szorc - Merge s-c (empty merge due to bad head on s-c)
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# [05:01] <bjacob> philor had better not see those 5 commits that landed while tbpl is down
# [05:01] <bjacob> philor... let's ... go for a walk, shall we?
# [05:01] <philor> will there be bunnies on the walk?
# [05:02] <bjacob> sure! anything you like
# [05:02] <philor> I want a bunny of my very own
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# [05:03] <bjacob> philor: here you go http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1506040
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# [05:04] <philor> ooh!
# [05:04] <philor> I don't know whether or not I want to close
# [05:04] <philor> I mean, it's not like when tbpl is working we act any differently than when it isn't
# [05:09] <mbrubeck> I like how it shows all the pending and running builds but none of the completed ones.
# [05:12] <bjacob> i like the new look of tbpl. less color, looks more professional
# [05:12] <nthomas> needs moar comic sans
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# [05:14] <philor> pending and running you get directly from build.m.o with no server-side intervention
# [05:15] <jlebar> hm, tbpl "Loading failed: error".
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# [05:16] <smontagu> philor: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f407/index.htm
# [05:17] <smontagu> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f430/index.htm
# [05:17] <philor> I will love him and hug him and squeeze him and call him 1f407
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# [05:18] <smontagu> you can have him right here in IRC if you have the right font: 🐇
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# [05:20] * philor searches for one
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# [05:25] <jlebar> philor, Man, if you're searching for rabbits rather than starring builds, tbpl must really be broked.
# [05:26] <darktrojan> alice might've seen a rabbit, if you're looking for one
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# [05:30] <philor> jlebar: George told me I mustn't squeeze people who push when tbpl is broken, so I'm looking for a rabbit
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# [05:30] <jlebar> Wow, I totally did not get that alice in wonderland reference. But I'm sure it's quite good.
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# [05:33] <philor> probably didn't help to keep us on track that I keep switching between Of Mice and Men and The Abominable Snow Rabbit
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# [05:34] <philor> hmm, so tbpl is breaking firefoxflicks
# [05:34] <philor> but tbpl was unchanged for a month
# [05:35] <philor> and firefoxflicks is recently resurrected
# [05:35] <philor> j'accuse, movie-people!
# [05:35] * darktrojan doesn't see the connection
# [05:36] <philor> me neither, since I don't get to see the db server that's buckling under load
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# [05:37] <philor> but our bad query, on a shared db, was bad because not only were we breaking ourselves, we were breaking it
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# [05:37] <darktrojan> 😞
# [05:39] <sheeri> darktrojan: the db is shared between many things
# [05:39] <sheeri> we're not sure why tbpl has the more queries
# [05:39] <jlebar> Databases are so convenient until they're not.
# [05:42] <joduinn-home> jlebar: I've reopened the earlier https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733556
# [05:42] <joduinn-home> looks like we're not out of the woods yet (no tree pun intended)
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# [05:43] <philor> well, tbpl has lots of queries because it's crazy, you load https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound and it shows 10 pushes, so it requests /php/getRevisionBuilds.php 10 times instead of 1 with 10 cset ids, and getRevisionBuilds does 10 db queries, and then 2 minutes later it refreshes and does them again
# [05:43] <philor> but why is that a problem *today*?
# [05:43] <joduinn-home> philor: that is the excellent excellent question.
# [05:44] * joduinn-home notes trees still open, at least for now.
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# [05:44] <philor> not because they should be
# [05:44] * philor fixes that by closing some
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# [05:45] <philor> oh, yeah. when I do that, I need a bug, and the bug I would use is marked as a dupe of a fixed bug that didn't fix what wasn't the problem
# [05:45] * philor scrolls through 318 unread bugmails looking for it
# [05:46] <jtcranmer> so the buggy bug was buggily resolved
# [05:46] <jtcranmer> s/resolved/debugged/
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# [05:46] <joduinn-home> philor: if you're looking for the tbpl bug, its https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733556
# [05:47] <joduinn-home> ...but if you're looking for a different bug, well... I have lots to choose from ;-)
# [05:47] <philor> joduinn-home: nope, looking for the duplicate of it that wasn't, 733592
# [05:49] <philor> ok, m-c, m-i, m-a and m-b are closed
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# [05:49] <sheeri> philor: so things are exponential thne?
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# [05:51] <philor> sheeri: I've never been quite sure, but I don't think tbpl gives up on the old requests when it tries again, so yeah, a slow db will probably make it just keep piling things up and up and up, unless there's a PHP timeout that makes it give up after a while
# [05:52] <darktrojan> php usually times out after 30s
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# [05:58] <sheeri> darktrojan: I found queries >2000 seconds :(
# [05:58] <darktrojan> ouch
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# [05:59] <darktrojan> "Any time spent on activity that happens outside the execution of the script such as ..., database queries, etc. is not included"
# [06:00] <darktrojan> that doesn't help then
# [06:04] * sheeri adds an index to make the left join go more slowly
# [06:04] <sheeri> philor: can you put that into a bug and make sure it gets looked at eventually?
# [06:06] <philor> sheeri: I can do the former, at least; the latter is tough, since the only two people who work on the guts of tbpl are not employees, so they're hard to make do things they don't want to do ;)
# [06:07] <Callek> philor: we could make them if we hired one-of-them :-P
# [06:07] <darktrojan> hmm, we could/should add a db timeout, it wouldn't be hard
# [06:08] <sheeri> darktrojan: would that kill the actual mysql query or would it just stop php from listening?
# [06:08] <philor> nice, timeout from enter_bug.cgi
# [06:08] <darktrojan> sheeri, I dunno if/how the php mysql driver implements it
# [06:09] <darktrojan> it'd be worth a try
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# [06:09] <philor> but note that no tbpl developer has any access whatsoever to any MoCo install of tbpl, so it would be a totally blind try
# [06:10] <sheeri> things look good now, try it?
# [06:10] <rhelmer> sheeri: index ftw?
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# [06:10] <sheeri> rhelmer: yeah, well, index on the left join
# [06:10] <sheeri> it was both
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# [06:11] <sheeri> the left join was better but w/out and index it was trying to do 300*8000 rows
# [06:11] <darktrojan> erk
# [06:11] <sheeri> which is way better than a dependent subquery
# [06:11] <sheeri> but with the index it's 300*1 rows :D
# [06:11] <sheeri> way way better
# [06:11] <sheeri> check out how blazingly fast tbpl loads now
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# [06:12] <joduinn-home> sheeri: very nice.
# [06:12] <sheeri> we're calling this fixed and I'm gonna play some skee-ball
# [06:12] <sheeri> page me if you need me.
# [06:12] <nigelb> ha
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# [06:12] <joduinn-home> philor: you ok to reopen the trees?
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# [06:12] <darktrojan> inbound is nice and blue
# [06:12] <heycam> sheeri++
# [06:12] <sheeri> OK
# [06:13] <sheeri> yay me!
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# [06:16] <philor> yeah, we might as well open for a while
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# [06:20] <jlebar> sheeri-afk, Wow, tbpl really is a lot faster.
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# [06:22] <darktrojan> test_native_mouse_mac.xul might be perma-orange
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# [06:22] <darktrojan> or just really common
# [06:23] <Ameya> how to get information about extensions that are installed....
# [06:23] <Ameya> ?
# [06:23] <philor> mbrubeck spent several hours deciding um something about it
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# [06:24] <philor> and a timeout from post_bug.cgi, that was an entirely satisfying experience
# [06:25] <darktrojan> heh
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# [06:25] <Ameya> darktrojan: how to get information about extensions that are installed....
# [06:25] <darktrojan> what information?
# [06:25] <Ameya> I need extensionId & their chrome:// or real URLa...
# [06:26] <Ameya> I need to store EID & their URLs..
# [06:27] <Ameya> which part of FF code can get me those info....?
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# [06:27] <darktrojan> the code is in toolkit/mozapps/extensions
# [06:28] <darktrojan> AddonManager.jsm in particular
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# [06:32] <darktrojan> meh, not going to star the rest of inbound
# [06:33] <Ameya> darktrojan: I have modified http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/src/XPCJSID.cpp#796, GetService() & I have list of urls of scripts that access nsICookieService interface & I need to know which of those url belongs to extensions...
# [06:33] * philor settles in to starring
# [06:34] <philor> I might have gotten from midnight last night to 8am done already, can't really remember
# [06:35] <darktrojan> Ameya, post the list somewhere and I'll tell you
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# [06:37] <philor> people with decent connections and inbound still open: you're still loading fine?
# [06:37] <darktrojan> seems ok
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# [06:39] <philor> I'm probably the cause of those 2000 second queries, that's about how long it takes me :)
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# [06:43] <darktrojan> also philor, XP debug M4 seems to be leaking a lot
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# [06:44] <philor> darktrojan: bwahaha
# [06:44] <philor> I mean, I was about to make comment 1067 in the bug...
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# [06:44] <darktrojan> heh
# [06:44] <philor> it's our most common non-Android non-infra failure
# [06:45] <darktrojan> assign it to someone
# [06:45] * philor checks
# [06:45] <darktrojan> (not me)
# [06:45] <philor> nope, I still don't have any employees
# [06:45] <darktrojan> mozilla foundation still owns moco doesn't it?
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# [06:47] <philor> an intriguing, but rather diffuse, theory
# [06:48] <philor> I could reasonably claim one several-millionth control over someone
# [06:48] <rhelmer> darktrojan: yes, http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/about.html
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# [07:01] <philor> now wouldn't be the worst time ever
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# [07:06] <Ameya> Is it possible to write AddonManager.getAllAddons() in cpp ??
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# [08:21] <andrei> okay, I'm having some issues with a fresh build of Aurora on Win7 x64
# [08:22] <andrei> it crashes in dbghook.c, when setting _debugger_hook_dummy = 0;
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# [08:23] <andrei> it's deep in msvcr100.dll
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# [08:28] <Unfocused> darktrojan: what's the expected flow for adding/removing event listeners when addon-options-displayed is received?
# [08:28] <Unfocused> well, specifically, removing event listeners
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# [08:28] <darktrojan> what events?
# [08:28] <Unfocused> afaict we don't send any notification when inline settings stop displaying
# [08:28] <Unfocused> like, onchange events from a textbox
# [08:29] <darktrojan> oh right
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# [08:29] <darktrojan> um, no we don't, hmm I can see how that might be a problem
# [08:30] <andrei> uhm, do you think the crash I mentioned before relates to me botching the build process, or could it be a bug? AFAIK, aurora should build fine on any platform
# [08:31] <Unfocused> darktrojan: wanna file a bug or shall i? :)
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# [08:32] <darktrojan> you do it, you know what you're wanting :P
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# [08:33] <darktrojan> also there is a cat between me and the keyboard, which is not helping things
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# [08:34] <Unfocused> haha
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# [08:35] <Unfocused> andrei: it could be either (that probably doesn't help much)
# [08:39] <philor> since tbpl's terrible about getting stuck with cached tree status, I wonder how many people are sitting around with something to push and an inbound tbpl open telling them that it's still closed because of a bug that's marked as a duplicate of a reopened-despite-being-fixed bug
# [08:39] <andrei> :( hmm, I understand, thanks, I guess I could file it on bugzilla and at least see if anyone else is having that issue
# [08:39] <Unfocused> andrei: search bugzilla first, but yea
# [08:40] <Unfocused> you know what i love? filing bugs and immediately assigning them to darktrojan
# [08:40] <philor> the benefit of being the one to file it
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# [08:40] <darktrojan> that's why you get so many reviews to deal with :P
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# [08:41] <Unfocused> touche
# [08:41] <darktrojan> also, if certain people don't get their A into G, I think I will stop fixing things
# [08:42] * Unfocused double checks his review queue
# [08:42] <Unfocused> not me!
# [08:42] * darktrojan isn't naming names, publicly at least
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# [08:43] <ferongr> bz: I tried the trybuild (1e328537f629) that has the patch you attached in Bug 732667 (the github source :hover freezes one) and I can no longer reproduce the reported issue. thanks for the hard work!
# [08:43] <glazou> bonjour
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# [08:43] <glazou> (wow facebook is down ?!? )
# [08:43] <Unfocused> (not from you, at least... i do have 6 other long reviews to do once i finish the one i'm on)
# [08:43] <Unfocused> facebook is still around? huh, ok
# [08:43] <darktrojan> glazou, blame legneato
# [08:44] <glazou> darktrojan: legneato ?
# [08:44] <darktrojan> he's at facebook now
# [08:45] <glazou> not the only one
# [08:45] <glazou> schrep, shaver
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# [08:45] <nigelb> sdwlish
# [08:45] <Unfocused> sdwilsh
# [08:45] <nigelb> rob
# [08:45] <andrei> omg it's down for good. like site cannot be found-down; (also, filing my bug right now, since no match has been found)
# [08:45] <Unfocused> .. bah
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# [08:45] <nigelb> Unfocused: lol :)
# [08:45] <darktrojan> is that what happened to sdwilsh
# [08:45] <nigelb> Yep
# [08:46] * darktrojan loses track, have we got a list?
# [08:46] <Unfocused> heh
# [08:46] <glazou> that's part of the World Domination Plan to acquire Facebook ; first infiltrate, second dominate ? :-)
# [08:46] <nigelb> i think the total count is 4 for now.
# [08:46] <Unfocused> hm, that's a downside of going to TO this time.. i was gonna get a tour around the facebook campus
# [08:46] <nigelb> err, 5
# [08:47] <jdm> yeah, 5 sounds right
# [08:47] <nigelb> glazou: haha
# [08:47] <nigelb> if we count biesi, it's 6 :)
# [08:48] <glazou> hewitt
# [08:48] <glazou> blake
# [08:49] <darktrojan> they must be paying well
# [08:50] <Unfocused> and then the list of those that went to google: .... umm.... well......
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# [08:51] <glazou> neyscape had one : http://www.ex-mozilla.org/
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# [08:52] <darktrojan> oh and mozillians thinks I'm logged in when I'm not
# [08:52] <darktrojan> caching++
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# [08:52] <darktrojan> oh wait, I am logged in
# [08:52] <darktrojan> that's a first
# [08:52] <glazou> for those interested, a dmose is hidden in this '94 photo http://www.jwz.org/photos/1994-1999-nscp/0003.html
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# [08:53] <darktrojan> woah, awesome blink tag there glazou
# [08:53] <andrei> what FF version is the current Aurora?
# [08:53] <glazou> yeah :-)
# [08:53] <hub> andrei: 12
# [08:54] <andrei> okay:D
# [08:54] <andrei> thanks
# [08:54] <hub> 94, wow, now that's a blast to the past
# [08:54] <hub> the year I discovered xmosaic
# [08:54] <hub> and then netscape
# [08:55] <hub> and usenet
# [08:55] * darktrojan was 11
# [08:55] * Unfocused had a shorter beard
# [08:55] <darktrojan> heh
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# [08:55] <Standard8> I was 16, probably was still doing stuff on ataris and bbcs at that time
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# [08:56] <Unfocused> also, i was 9
# [08:56] <hub> I feel like an old fart listening to you. but then compared to then netscape employees, I'm the rookie :-)
# [08:57] <Unfocused> thankyou #developers for making me feel not-old
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# [08:57] <darktrojan> and me
# [08:57] <andrei> hey I pulled a few changes to the aurora repo and started the make again; how long should it take considering that only 9 files were actually changed?
# [08:58] <darktrojan> how long is a piece of string
# [08:59] <andrei> that depends?
# [09:00] <Unfocused> universal answer to that type of question: longer than you want
# [09:02] <andrei> and let's assume I'm fixing a simple bug, and want to test a fix I wrote, I wouldn't want to just make the whole thing, right? or will I have to wait 10-15 minutes for every small change I make?
# [09:04] <Unfocused> andrei: normally you'd build only the directory of the files that you changed
# [09:05] <Unfocused> (and any dependent directory, eg toolkit/library)
# [09:05] <darktrojan> Unfocused, the weird hours group seems to be growing :)
# [09:05] <Unfocused> darktrojan: yea, just noticed that too :)
# [09:05] <Unfocused> not nearly as big as the beards group though!
# [09:06] <darktrojan> what does this tell you about software devs?
# [09:06] <andrei> is this some sort of super-secret programmer slang?
# [09:06] <andrei> hehe
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# [09:06] <Unfocused> that they're awesome?
# [09:06] <Unfocused> andrei: https://mozillians.org/en-US/group/191-beards
# [09:06] <darktrojan> wait, what is jaws doing in there?
# [09:07] <Unfocused> he has some fluff
# [09:07] <darktrojan> :/
# [09:07] <glob> heh, i was just about to join the weird-hours group, but evidently past-self already did that
# [09:07] <darktrojan> on that note, I am going to join the beards group, since I have one 6 days a week
# [09:08] <jdm> heh
# [09:08] <Unfocused> hah
# [09:09] <andrei> haha awesome; btw, is OS and compiler version + crash stack trace enough when submitting a bug?
# [09:09] <andrei> +codebase version of course
# [09:09] <jdm> andrei: that's a good start
# [09:10] <andrei> okay, thank you:)
# [09:11] <c0smikdebris> is that a beard group for mozilla employees?
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# [09:13] <Unfocused> c0smikdebris: it's for any mozillian (employees and non-employees)
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# [09:14] <Unfocused> if you're involved with mozilla (submitting patches, evangelizing, testing, marketting, etc etc), mozillians.org is for you
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# [09:15] <andrei> hm, I was looking around the stack trace and found this: if (NS_FAILED(rv)) {
# [09:15] <andrei> Output("Couldn't load XPCOM.\n");
# [09:15] <andrei> return 255;
# [09:15] <andrei> }
# [09:15] <andrei> and deeep in that output function, the app actually crashes
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# [09:16] <andrei> (sorry for the spam-ish post)
# [09:16] <Unfocused> andrei: so... it's crashing when trying to say something is horribly broken?
# [09:16] <andrei> yes
# [09:17] <Unfocused> might wanna figure out why it's horribly broken :)
# [09:17] <andrei> yes, but first, why would the output function crash?
# [09:17] <Unfocused> i... er... you want to ask someone other than me :)
# [09:18] <andrei> when we fix that, and the proper error message is displayed, THEN we can worry about the actual bug, right?
# [09:18] <andrei> ehm okay
# [09:18] <Unfocused> well, it may be crashing there *because* it's horribly broken
# [09:19] <andrei> oh, so a MAJOR problem that corrupts even error displaying.. hmm
# [09:20] <Unfocused> yep
# [09:20] <andrei> hmm, what component should I mark this bug as belonging to?
# [09:21] <jaws> darktrojan: better picture now? :P https://mozillians.org/en-US/dc7a035925
# [09:22] <darktrojan> that's a bit of an improvement
# [09:22] <Unfocused> haha
# [09:22] <Unfocused> andrei: hmm... Core :: General ?
# [09:25] <andrei> okay, thank you, it's been posted now https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733684
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# [09:44] <Ameya> can we write AddonManager.getAllAddons() in cpp?
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# [09:45] <@smaug> mounir: ping
# [09:46] <Ameya> smaug: can we ?
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# [09:50] <jdm> Ameya: that depends if there's an addons manager XPCOM interface
# [09:50] <jdm> I suspect not
# [09:50] <Unfocused> there is no xpcom interface for that
# [09:51] <Unfocused> but i think you can call js from cpp.. it's just not pleasant
# [09:51] <andrei> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733684 -> refiled as Core/XPCOM
# [09:52] <jdm> I'm pretty sure it would be turned down by any reviewer
# [09:52] <Unfocused> i don't think he aiming on getting that into the tree
# [09:53] <Ameya> OK... I am aiming to get extensionIDs & their chrome:// or real URLs ....
# [09:53] <Ameya> Of all installed extensions...
# [09:53] <jdm> andrei: the contents of your mozconfig are important as well; sorry, I forgot about that
# [09:55] <Ameya> Unfocused: you remember what was I doing...? I need all extensions with their IDs & real path where they are stored...
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# [09:55] <Unfocused> yes, i remember
# [09:57] <Ameya> I have urls of scripts that access certain interfaces... & need to find which of those URLs belong to extensions...
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# [09:59] <Ameya> Unfocused: Do u have any idea .. how could we get addons info during FF boots up...?
# [10:00] <andrei> jdm: you mean the makefile or the .mozconfig file? (because I can't find .mozconfig anywhere)
# [10:00] <Ameya> any where during chrome registration...?
# [10:00] <jdm> andrei: if you don't have a .mozconfig or mozconfig, then that's fine - just leave a note saying that you built with the defaults and no mozconfig
# [10:01] <andrei> okay, perfect, thanks!
# [10:04] <Ameya> can I modify any where in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/chrome/src/nsChromeRegistry.cpp??
# [10:05] <Ameya> any method which may allow to read current chrome package’s URL...........
# [10:07] <Ameya> hello everyone......
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# [10:51] <@smaug> oh, it compiled
# [10:51] <@smaug> does it run
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# [10:53] * glazou can't believe what he's reading
# [10:54] <smontagu> what is glazou reading?
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# [10:54] <smontagu> credo quia impossibile
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# [10:55] <glazou> comments from tim chevalier to last planet mozilla blog article
# [10:56] <glazou> associating Gerv and "hate speech" or "says they're not human" indicates someone who clearly never met Gerv and should urgently cool down
# [10:56] <smontagu> glazou++
# [10:56] <darktrojan> hate speech? wtf
# [10:57] <glazou> http://blog.mozilla.com/planet/2012/03/06/concerns-with-planet-content/
# [10:57] <glazou> just for my own knowledge, who is Tim Chevalier ?
# [10:58] <smontagu> glazou: see my latest fb status
# [10:59] <glazou> yeah
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# [10:59] <glazou> I am not myself going up to that point
# [10:59] <smontagu> preed++ too
# [10:59] <gerv> glazou: Thank you for your reasonable perspective on the issue.
# [11:00] <glazou> but Gerv's message have nothing in common with a hate message and he 's a UK citizen in the UK
# [11:00] <glazou> gerv: sanity is sometimes needed, my friend ; I don't agree with you but your article did not deserve the torrent of shit you got
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# [11:01] <gaston> people have too much spare time to argue on the intertubes
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# [11:02] <glazou> gerv, btw, reading nested comments on your blog is extremely painful...
# [11:02] <gerv> glazou: Yes, I know.
# [11:02] <gerv> If anyone can come up with a fix to the CSS which doesn't break other bits of the layout, I'd be very grateful.
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# [11:02] <gerv> I had a go for 20 minutes, but couldn't figure it out :-((
# [11:02] <glazou> (and I'm not speaking of the contents' quality of those comments :-)
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# [11:03] <darktrojan> it seems to me that gerv is part of the minority being alienated here :/
# [11:03] <smontagu> personally i would like to see more stuff on planet about people's life and views outside the mozilla project. this is supposed to be a community after all
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# [11:04] <@smaug> I agree with that
# [11:04] <@smaug> I can just skip the parts I don't like
# [11:04] <glazou> I think planet.mozilla.org Look and Feel should just be modified to make more explicit it's MOZILLA COMMUNITY and MOZILLA DOT COM
# [11:04] <@smaug> (like anything involving religion)
# [11:04] <jwatt> yeah
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# [11:04] <darktrojan> "oh noes, this person's opinion differs from everybody else's, therefore they must be wrong!"
# [11:04] <glazou> lol
# [11:05] <smontagu> what does wrong or right have to do with it?
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# [11:05] <darktrojan> apparently what gerv wrote is wrong
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# [11:06] <darktrojan> also I'm going to stop highlighting his nick now
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# [11:06] <smontagu> really? I thought the point was that people couldn't bear seeing gerv's views expressed, not that they were wrong :-P
# [11:07] <darktrojan> these comments about hate speech don't seem like it
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# [11:08] <smontagu> what glazou said before. there was no hate speech unless you went out of your way to see it everywhere
# [11:08] <@smaug> gerv is definitely wrong, but I don't care about that :)
# [11:08] <darktrojan> ha
# [11:09] <smontagu> there have been comments about OSs and editors that have really been hate speech and who complained?
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# [11:10] <smontagu> gerv made a very reasonable argument based on premises that some others disagree with
# [11:10] <smontagu> and stated his position in a level and moderate way
# [11:11] <darktrojan> indeed
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# [11:18] <glazou> gerv: try .commentlist, .commentlist .comment .children { padding-left: 0px }
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# [11:18] <gerv> Doesn't that end up a bit ugly?
# [11:18] <aja> fwiw, i can see how it and the linked article could be interpreted as offensive by LGBT community, and/ or planet readers who prefer not to be prostheletized to, and/or "living language" proponants...but "hate speech", no. not PC, perhaps (but then again i "hate" the PC police)
# [11:18] <glazou> gerv: not here
# [11:18] <gerv> Is there a way to do a test injection of that rule using some of our new webdev tools?
# [11:18] <glazou> yes
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# [11:18] <glazou> gerv: open tools > web developer tools > style editor
# [11:18] <aja> and what glazou said re: css:
# [11:19] <glazou> create a new style rule using New button at top left
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# [11:19] <glazou> paste what I said
# [11:19] <glazou> see result in your page
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# [11:19] <smontagu> who created the style editor by the way?
# [11:19] <glazou> I think it's paul rouget
# [11:20] <glazou> not sure through
# [11:20] <glazou> is so shocked by the "not human" comments that he ponders writing about it
# [11:21] <hsivonen_> interesting that the bugzilla attachment id numbers are lower than the bug id numbers
# [11:21] <glazou> s/through/though
# [11:21] <glob> hsivonen_, there are *lots* of bugs without attachments (eg. almost every dupe)
# [11:21] <gerv> glazou: That's brilliant. Thank you :-)
# [11:21] <glazou> easy
# [11:21] <glazou> np
# [11:21] <smontagu> hsivonen_: i've often wondered which way it's trending but never made the effort to check
# [11:22] <smontagu> i.e. will it ever catch up
# [11:22] <smontagu> i believe there are more attachments than there used to be
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# [11:23] <darktrojan> and glob runs away at the mention of pointless BMO statistics :)
# [11:23] <gerv> OK, shipped. Thanks, glazou.
# [11:23] <aja> gerv: on another subject...wanna thank you for your work in defense of dns system. bet that makes you popular with certain registrars, too, though :/
# [11:24] <gerv> aja: what in particular are you referring to?
# [11:25] <aja> cert-related stuff, in general
# [11:26] <smontagu> gerv: the css change doesn't seem to make a difference in chrome
# [11:26] <gerv> smontagu: Shift-Reload?
# [11:27] <gerv> aja: You're welcome.
# [11:27] <smontagu> gerv: aha. i thought crtl-l enter was equivalent, apparently not
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# [11:51] <dholbert> ttaubert, pong, but about to head to bed
# [11:51] <dholbert> ttaubert, just saw your comment -- that's great news!
# [11:51] <glazou> Gerv: see my blog
# [11:52] <dholbert> ttaubert, anything else (aside from that bugzilla comment), while I'm still awake?
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# [11:53] <darktrojan> glazou++
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# [11:54] <dholbert> ttaubert, anyway, if there is anything else, post it on the bug and I'll catch you in the MV-morning-time if you're still around :)
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# [11:54] <glazou> fortunately for him, I am not tim chevalier's boss :-D
# [11:55] <darktrojan> glazou, speaking of css tweaks, I reckon the line-height on your blog should be increased
# [11:55] <glazou> ah :-)
# [11:55] <glazou> will see what I can do
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# [11:56] <glazou> but not right now, I am code on the radar
# [11:56] <glazou> s/am/have
# [11:56] <darktrojan> heh
# [11:56] <hsivonen_> I think it makes sense to limit planet to on-Mozilla-topic stuff.
# [11:56] <glazou> I don'tt hink so
# [11:56] <glazou> it makes sense to keep current practice with a clear warning that is the community
# [11:56] <glazou> so does not represent mozilla
# [11:56] <hsivonen_> I was a bit uncomfortable when the planet folks told me that they don't want me to create a planet feed but wanted to see my full feed
# [11:57] <glazou> and a mention "don't read what you disagree with"
# [11:57] <glazou> hsivonen_: I am not syndicating all my blog on pmo
# [11:57] <hsivonen_> since then, I've posted non-Mozilla political stuff that was syndicated on planet
# [11:57] <@smaug> the idea to have planet.mozilla.org for mozilla stuff, and planet.mozillians.org for more personal stuff sounds reasonable
# [11:57] <darktrojan> given the way the tech media are, a Moz only planet is probably necessary
# [11:57] <hsivonen_> but in Finnish, so most reader probably ignored it
# [11:57] <glazou> I am syndicating only Mozilla/Standards/CSS/Styles in english
# [11:58] <glazou> all the rest does not hit pmo
# [11:58] <darktrojan> I like that idea, smaug
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# [11:59] * glazou ponders syndicating his article on pmo :-D
# [12:00] <aja> smaug: proposse in bug, or file counter bug....current bugs propose just the opposite. i.e leave current planet as is, and crate a new moz-only feed
# [12:00] <aja> s/crate/create/
# [12:00] <ttaubert> dholbert|afk: sorry, was shortly afk, ping you later :) have a good night!
# [12:01] <@smaug> it was pascal who suggested planet.mozillians.org
# [12:01] <hsivonen_> when people with a sufficiently large spectrum of religious and political views express them, there will be clashes
# [12:01] <@smaug> yeah
# [12:02] <aja> then the Flying Spaghetti Monster will smite them
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# [12:03] <aja> ....with his noodly appendages, of course
# [12:03] <NeilAway> darktrojan: xhtml today
# [12:03] <NeilAway> so no bugmail
# [12:03] <darktrojan> lucky you!
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# [12:06] <hsivonen_> glazou: on planet or elsewhere?
# [12:06] <aja> "...all others pay cash"
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# [12:07] <glazou> planet did not exist at that time I think
# [12:07] <glazou> was on my blog
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# [12:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3dcb40ebd487 - Dão Gottwald - No bug - reduce MAX_LEAK_COUNT to match the status quo
# [12:08] <glazou> hsivonen_: really old... http://is.gd/create.php
# [12:08] <glazou> er
# [12:08] <glazou> http://is.gd/vZ9J2b
# [12:09] <doktor5000> are there any open or well-known bugs about recent TB versions (10.0.2 esr in particular) about not exiting properly, but leaving thunderbird-bin running (under linux) ?
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# [12:11] <mounir> smaug: pong
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# [12:12] <@smaug> mounir: something about smsmanager...
# [12:13] <no_gravity> Hello! I cannot resize windows anymore in Javascript. Neither in the url via javascript:window.resizeTo(500,500) nor via the web console. Is that a bug or some new "feature"?
# [12:13] <@smaug> mounir: is there are reason for nsISmsRequestManager::createRequest being scriptable?
# [12:13] <glob|away> darktrojan, but.. food
# [12:13] <darktrojan> heh :D
# [12:14] <@smaug> though, I guess I'm fixing that in a different way I was going to..
# [12:14] <glazou> food ? food !
# [12:14] <glazou> what time is it
# [12:14] <darktrojan> time to fight crime
# [12:14] <glazou> ah that explains why my stomach makes some noise
# [12:14] <glazou> darktrojan: you fight crime at noon :-D
# [12:14] <@smaug> mounir: I'll remove the first two parameters and add nsIDOMMozSmsManager
# [12:14] <@smaug> one can get window from nsIDOMMozSmsManager
# [12:14] <darktrojan> I fight crime whenever someone asks what the time is
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# [12:15] <glazou> ROFL
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# [12:15] <mounir> smaug: it's scriptable for B2G
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# [12:15] <@smaug> why
# [12:16] <mounir> smaug: to create a request from js
# [12:16] <@smaug> mounir: nsPIDOMWindow is not scriptable
# [12:16] * glazou records that when you want to divert darktrojan from _any_ tech conversation in #developers, ask him what time it is :-D
# [12:16] <@smaug> nor nsIScriptContext
# [12:16] <darktrojan> heh
# [12:16] <darktrojan> do I have tech conversations in here?
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# [12:17] <darktrojan> oh wait yes I do, sometimes
# [12:17] <mounir> smaug: but how would you create a request from script then?
# [12:17] <@smaug> mounir: no idea
# [12:17] <@smaug> mounir: your API ;)
# [12:17] <mounir> why is that an issue?
# [12:18] <@smaug> I'm changing nsDOMEventTargetHelper
# [12:18] <@smaug> removing mScriptContext
# [12:18] <@smaug> and making mOwner a raw pointer
# [12:18] <@smaug> mounir: so while changing plenty of code I noticed that strange looking API
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# [12:19] <@smaug> it looks very much like internal API
# [12:19] <mounir> smaug: it is
# [12:19] <mounir> I mean, internal to Gecko
# [12:19] <mounir> but on B2G, it's written in JS
# [12:19] <@smaug> it can't be
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# [12:20] <@smaug> how can JS handle C++ objects
# [12:20] <@smaug> (also, if some b2g thing isn't in m-c, and compiled by default, I'm not going to change it)
# [12:21] <@smaug> (but this change I'm doing is mechanical, so others can fix b2g code)
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# [12:22] <@smaug> mounir: is there some js code which uses createRequest?
# [12:24] <mounir> smaug: yes, the WebSMS backend for B2G
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# [12:24] <mounir> it's privileged js code
# [12:25] <@smaug> what does it do with the parameters?
# [12:25] <@smaug> I don't understand how that works
# [12:25] <darktrojan> :( my urlbar has decided to keep showing "about:blank" or "about:newtab"
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# [12:26] <darktrojan> ttaubert, any ideas what could cause that? ^
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# [12:28] <smaug_> mounir: are the plans to move b2g code to some easily accessible place
# [12:28] <smaug_> like to hg.mozilla.org and have mxr for it
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# [12:28] <darktrojan> oh it fixes itself if I go to a different tab
# [12:28] <mounir> smaug_: actually, I realize your concern
# [12:28] <mounir> indeed, I've no idea how they pass the scriptcontext
# [12:28] <mak> darktrojan: I had similar issues in the past, iirc it was an add-on
# [12:28] <ttaubert> probably? haven't seen it yet
# [12:28] <hsivonen_> maybe someday someone shows up and makes clipboard code not suck
# [12:29] <smaug> hsivonen_: you're looking at the code now... ;)
# [12:29] <darktrojan> ttaubert, just thought you might, given that you must've been near that code recently
# [12:29] <smaug> hsivonen_: you could own other code than "just" the parser
# [12:30] <mounir> smaug: with you changes, you would have to remove the script context parameter I guess
# [12:30] <smaug> yes, I'm removing the first two parameters
# [12:30] <mounir> smaug: but I'm not sure how they handle the window too
# [12:30] <smaug> and replacing them with nsIDOMMozSmsManager
# [12:30] <mounir> smaug: might be better
# [12:31] <mounir> we should speak with philikon
# [12:31] <mounir> and ferjm
# [12:31] <smaug> I do assume nsIDOMMozSmsManager is natively implemented
# [12:31] <smaug> only
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# [12:32] <mounir> smaug: yes
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# [12:33] <smaug> mounir: where is the b2g code?
# [12:33] <smaug> for this stuff
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# [12:34] <ttaubert> darktrojan: yeah, I was near that code, but you and mak are the only issues I heard of so far and both disappeared quickly
# [12:34] <smaug> mounir: the parameter could be also nsIDOMWindow, I think
# [12:34] <mak> ttaubert: thanks for defining us "issues" ;)
# [12:34] <darktrojan> hah
# [12:34] <ttaubert> haha
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# [12:35] <darktrojan> I'm more of a problem than an issue
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# [12:36] <mounir> smaug: I think |createRequest| might be only called from C++
# [12:36] <mounir> smaug: and i've no idea where this code is
# [12:36] <mounir> (the js code)
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# [13:05] <smaug> not surprising: "A court in Berlin has ruled that Facebook breaks European consumer and data protection law."
# [13:05] <mak> are we protected? really?
# [13:05] <smaug> but it is surprising that my patch seems to pass tests on try :)
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# [13:09] <hsivonen_> aargh. this clipboard fix is going to be trial and error with various nsIDocumentEncoder flags
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# [13:15] <gerv> If a tryserver build completes "with warnings", is that normal, or something to investigate?
# [13:15] <espindola> jlebar-: morning
# [13:15] <gerv> (Does it mean compiler warnings, of which I'm sure we have a load, or some other more serious form?)
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# [13:18] <gcp> it means an issue when running some tests after the compilation IIRC
# [13:18] <gcp> check the log?
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# [13:18] <espindola> anyone else can look at 733721? It is a very simple build fix
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# [13:33] <hsivonen_> the serializer flags are *very* confusing
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# [13:40] <hsivonen_> I have trouble finding flags that don't cause line-breaking pretty-printing of <td> and </td> but do cause that for <li>
# [13:41] <glazou> there's no such beast
# [13:41] <glazou> it's all or none
# [13:43] <hsivonen_> glazou: for plain text, that is
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# [13:44] <hsivonen_> glazou: the old code somehow managed to generate plain text clipboard exports that line-separated list items and tab-separated table cells
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# [13:46] <glazou> hsivonen_: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/nsPlainTextSerializer.cpp#922
# [13:48] <TheOne> if I use the "purgecaches" command line parameter for starting Firefox 12, the session (as in list of tabs) gets broken. Is this parameter deprecated or so in Firefox 12?
# [13:49] <hsivonen_> I wonder if the difference I'm seeing is due to the old HTML parser eating some line breaks or something
# [13:51] <gabor> is there a flag for mochi tests that sets the timout event to infinity? it's not very handy when it's crashing on me while debugging...
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# [13:53] <gabor> I mean if I debug for too long a test, this injectddl is getting loaded and killing the whole process with a crash... I guess that is coming from some internal timeout in the mochi test framework...
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# [14:03] <hsivonen_> ok. part of the problem was that nsPlainTextSerializer (without my patches) was handling line breaks in its input differently depending on whether it was working in the content sink mode or in the DOM mode
# [14:04] <@smaug> sorry, if I didn't catch that in the review
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# [14:06] <hsivonen_> smaug: no, that was fixed in patches you've reviewed
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# [14:06] <hsivonen_> smaug: I just discovered that I need to apply those patches in order to fix this table cell clipboard thing
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# [14:08] <hsivonen_> hooray. our clipboard mochitests expect clipboard operations to lose leading whitespace
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# [14:08] <hsivonen_> so they fail if the clipboard stops losing leading whitespace
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# [14:08] <hsivonen_> afaict, losing leading whitespace has been a bug--not a feature
# [14:08] <@smaug> hsivonen_: hmm, that might be done on purpose
# [14:09] <@smaug> did you check cvs blame
# [14:09] <hsivonen_> smaug: seems like an artifact of how the old code had an extra HTML conversion step
# [14:09] <hsivonen_> smaug: not yet
# [14:11] <hsivonen_> smaug: no indication of leading white space dropping being intentional in the CVS log
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# [14:14] <hsivonen_> smaug: I'm going to assume that dropping leading whitespace was a bug and not an essential feature
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# [14:17] <@smaug> hsivonen_: does the dropping happen when copying?
# [14:18] <dao> I thought it was a feature, fwiw
# [14:18] <hsivonen_> smaug: yes
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# [14:18] <smaug_> hsivonen_: does the dropping happen when copying?
# [14:18] <smaug_> I mean, does it affect how we copy-paste stuff to excel for example
# [14:19] <hsivonen_> dao: afaict, there's no code for dropping leading whitespace. it seems to be purely an artifact of leading whitespace handling in the olser
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# [14:19] <hsivonen_> s/olser/old html parser/
# [14:19] <smaug_> IIRC, bbondy was looking at some excel related problem at some point
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# [14:19] <hsivonen_> interesting loss of keystrokes there
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# [14:19] <hsivonen_> smaug: Excel reads the HTML clipboard flavor, right?
# [14:19] <dao> hsivonen_: right, I'm not talking about the code doing it. to me as a user it seemed like a feature
# [14:19] <smaug> I don't remember
# [14:20] <hsivonen_> smaug: this is all about the plain text clip board flavor
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# [14:20] <smaug> I would assume Excel can handle html and text
# [14:20] <hsivonen_> dao: expectations might vary between Windows vs. other
# [14:20] <hsivonen_> dao: one wouldn't expect Mac apps to copy something other than the exact selection
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# [14:21] <hsivonen_> dao: OTOH, some Windows apps make it super-hard to select leading or trailing spaces before you have a chance to copy
# [14:21] <dao> I use windows and linux likewise
# [14:21] <smaug> ++lsblakk
# [14:21] <hsivonen_> dao: I'd expect us to export the space to clipboard if we let the user select the space
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# [14:22] <dao> I never intentionally select leading spaces
# [14:22] <hsivonen_> dao: fwiw, we weren't dropping trailing spaces
# [14:22] <hsivonen_> dao: I do
# [14:22] <dao> I think there was a gecko bug that copied spaces that weren't actually rendered
# [14:22] <dao> super annoying
# [14:22] <dao> I was glad this stopped
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# [14:44] <drice> If I've got a changeset identifier for mozilla-central, how can I find the tinderbox builds which include it?
# [14:44] <drice> Specifically https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c39fd8e1fb45 and the build in http://build.mozillamessaging.com/tinderboxpushlog/?tree=ThunderbirdTrunk
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# [14:49] <bhearsum|buildduty> drice: unfortunately, you have to grope through the builds in: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/ or http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly
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# [14:49] <bhearsum|buildduty> if the build isn't a nightly and it's more than a month old, it's lost to time
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# [14:50] <bhearsum|buildduty> if it's a nightly, it will be in one of the dated directories in the latter link
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# [14:50] <drice> So I'd search by time, comparing the time of the checkin?
# [14:50] <bhearsum|buildduty> that's you're best bet, yeah
# [14:50] <drice> Thanks
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# [14:50] <bhearsum|buildduty> np, sorry it's such a hassle
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# [14:50] <drice> I've been impressed by the build system, not hassled :)
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# [14:51] <bhearsum|buildduty> that's really nice to hear, thank you!
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# [14:51] <drice> bhearsum|buildduty: Seems the Thunderbird builds would be somewhere else?
# [14:51] <bhearsum|buildduty> oh, right - sorry!
# [14:52] <bhearsum|buildduty> same links, but replace with "thunderbird"
# [14:52] <drice> Got it
# [14:52] <bhearsum|buildduty> and you'll have to go into a platform-specific directory if you're looking at the tinderbox-builds one
# [14:52] <yann2> Hello Mozilla Team :) I am about to file a bug regarding preconnect (more a way to start a discussion as a real bug, as most browsers are concerned) - trying to discuss in my specific case, why it can be fairly harmful. Have there been discussions about this in the past where I could hook into?
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# [14:56] * smaug doesn't know what preconnect is. sounds something network-y. jduell and josh are probably still asleep
# [14:56] <drice> bhearsum|buildduty: so I guess what I'm seeing here are the output of the builds; for download or other use... I meant to be asking where I could see things like Oranges and Reds and whether or not my change successfully cleared an Orange.
# [14:56] <bhearsum|buildduty> drice: oh
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# [14:57] <bhearsum|buildduty> drice: so, you're looking for the page on http://build.mozillamessaging.com/tinderboxpushlog/?tree=ThunderbirdTrunk that gives you all the results of the build?
# [14:57] <yann2> hello smaug , this post describes it quite well: http://www.belshe.com/2011/02/10/the-era-of-browser-preconnect/ - for firefox you can have a look here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634278
# [14:57] <dao> hsivonen_: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=408813%2C211233%2C501751%2C524975%2C437679;list_id=2548449
# [14:58] <drice> bhearsum|buildduty: Right, for the first build that included the revision previously mentioned. Or, alternatively, just proving to myself that my revision is in whatever build I'm looking at.
# [14:58] <bhearsum|buildduty> drice: aaaah
# [14:58] <smaug> yann2: ah,
# [14:58] <bhearsum|buildduty> drice: i _think_ you'll need to click a "B" box for every push on http://build.mozillamessaging.com/tinderboxpushlog/?tree=ThunderbirdTrunk and see what "moz" revision is listed in the bottom section
# [14:58] <drice> bhearsum|buildduty: is that weird? I don't want to wait for someone to come back to my bug and complain that I didn't really fix the issue. I'd rather go confirm myself. Maybe that's not the spirit of the thing
# [14:59] <hsivonen_> dao: those are about adding spaces that weren't in the selection
# [14:59] <bhearsum|buildduty> drice: to be honest, i don't know what the expectations are there
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# [14:59] <hsivonen_> dao: as opposed to having a space in the selection but not exporting it to clipboard
# [14:59] <dao> hsivonen_: that's what I said
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# [14:59] <bhearsum|buildduty> Standard8, jhopkins|afk, mconley, bwinton_away: ^
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# [15:00] <bhearsum|buildduty> drice: i think it's a great thing to do...just difficult with the tools we have
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# [15:00] <dao> hsivonen_: well, they're in the selection despite not being rendered...
# [15:00] <smaug_> yann2: if you have concerns, you could post a message to m.d.platform
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# [15:00] <yann2> smaug_, I'm trying bugzilla, would that be appropriate?
# [15:01] <bhearsum|buildduty> drice: you might try asking in #maildev too, that's sort of the #developers channel focused on Thunderbird
# [15:01] <drice> Okay, thanks.
# [15:02] <bhearsum|buildduty> np, good luck!
# [15:02] <Standard8> drice: I think there's some tbpl weirdness at the moment, but I've gotta run, ping me in a couple of hours if you still need help
# [15:02] <smaug> yann2: posting a comment to the bug is ok too, but if you want to start a longer discussion, newsgroup is better
# [15:02] <drice> thanks, Standard8
# [15:03] <yann2> well it's difficult to say... my plea might get rejected directly ;)
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# [15:04] <Standard8> drice: correction, our buildbot master is upset with something, gonna close the tree till I get back
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# [15:26] <froydnj> I have a friend complaining of high cpu utilization in firefox 10; is there any information I can get from him to help diagnose the problem?
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# [15:31] <smaug> froydnj: which OS ?
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# [15:31] <froydnj> smaug: linux
# [15:31] <smaug> sysprof might work
# [15:32] <smaug> for profiling
# [15:32] <smaug> run as root
# [15:32] <froydnj> I doubt he has the luxury of debug symbols
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# [15:32] <smaug> FF10 may not have proper symbols
# [15:32] <smaug> but sysprof might still give some hints
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# [15:39] <yann2> smaug_, I've posted here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733748
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# [15:40] <yann2> I don't think there is an easy fix, but I'm confident mozilla devs will put up some magic... hey, in a way, you're breaking the internet :P
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# [15:40] <smaug_> yann2: why not in the original bug?
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# [15:41] <yann2> the original was about implementing the feature - I thought this was separate? :( I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to merge the posts now
# [15:42] <smaug_> well, at least make your bug to depend on the original bug
# [15:42] <yann2> Maybe I can add a "Blocks" relation :P
# [15:42] <smaug_> yann2: there is the "Depends on" field
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# [15:42] <smaug_> or blocks
# [15:42] <smaug_> either way
# [15:42] <gcp> lets not pretend commenting in closed bugs accomplishes anything
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# [15:42] <smaug_> gcp: the original bug isn't closed
# [15:42] <gcp> ok
# [15:42] <yann2> ok, added a relation
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# [15:57] <smaug_> jesup: ping
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# [15:58] <jesup> smaug: pong
# [15:59] <smaug_> jesup: where does webrtc code live atm?
# [15:59] <jesup> froydnj: #include normal advice - start by restarting with add-ons disabled
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# [15:59] <smaug_> jesup: and does it handle microphone input?
# [15:59] <jesup> smaug_: alder repo
# [15:59] <jesup> It *should*, but we've been mostly testing camera API
# [16:00] <froydnj> jesup: good point. even when the problems are intermittent and happen after leaving things overnight?
# [16:00] <jesup> You'd need to do something equivalent to fabrice's patches in bug 692955, but for audio
# [16:01] <jesup> froydnj: What does the memory use look like (before problems/after problems)?
# [16:02] <jesup> if something's leaking, it could cause problems. "Something" can easily be a web page - see the bug about Huffington post's twitter frame causing 12-second delays on a hot Xeon after a day
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# [16:02] <jesup> And that wasn't even a leak - just dumb JS code letting a document/DOM node become ridiculously huge
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# [16:03] <jesup> You can also try closing tabs one a at a time and than waiting a short time to see if the CPU use drops
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# [16:04] <c0smikdebris> jesup: alder repo?
# [16:04] <smaug_> c0smikdebris: http://hg.mozilla.org/projects/alder/
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# [16:04] <froydnj> jesup: I don't have memory use for this instance, but he said he'll start looking in the future
# [16:05] <c0smikdebris> ahh. cool. thanks
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# [16:08] <yann2> smaug_, my bug got closed :( I guess I need to put my hope in http2 http://hothardware.com/News/Googles-SPDY-Incorporated-Into-NextGen-HTML-Company-Offers-TCP-Enhancements/ :)
# [16:09] <smaug_> yann2: I trust mcmanus :)
# [16:10] <smaug_> yann2: you can use SPDY with Firefox (beta or aurora, I think)
# [16:10] <smaug_> s/SPDY/http2/
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# [16:11] <smaug_> yann2: also, as mcmanus explained, your bug wasn't really a bug
# [16:11] <smaug_> but a comment
# [16:12] <yann2> sure :) Also happy with his (fast!) reply! It's just that i'll soon have to build a proxy for mobiles, and have to configure it to deal properly with things like TCP proxying for example, and this won't make it easier
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# [16:15] <yann2> "Proxy-based Flow Aggregation for - Enhanced TCP over GPRS" will be an interesting one to read :)
# [16:16] <yann2> anyway, thanks for your help and quick replies! I'm off for now :)
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# [16:47] <Yoric> From what I understand, we have 5 mochitest suites available on TryServer.
# [16:47] <Yoric> What does each suite stand for?
# [16:47] <@ted> 5 slices of mochitest-plain
# [16:47] <@ted> there are too many tests to run all at once
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# [16:47] <Yoric> So I should run them all?
# [16:47] <Yoric> (which is what I am doing anyway)
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# [16:47] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/testsuite-targets.mk#136
# [16:47] <@ted> if you run "make mochitest-plain" it's equivalent to running all 5 in order
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# [16:48] <Yoric> Thanks
# [16:48] <Yoric> ted: Are you back to work?
# [16:48] <jimm> did we get rid of the little blue separator line when dragging bookmarks in drop down menus on windows?
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# [16:49] <@ted> Yoric: only part-time this week
# [16:50] <Yoric> ok
# [16:50] <@ted> not technically working today, just sitting here watching youtube videos with my daughter :)
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# [16:52] <Yoric> :)
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# [16:57] <Yoric> Is there a better way of checking mochitest results than browsing the long report and looking for anything that may be related to my changes?
# [16:58] <jdm> Yoric: search for UNEXPECTED- ?
# [16:58] <Yoric> I see a number of errors that do not contain UNEXPECTED-
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# [16:58] <Yoric> Things that contain "ERROR - " for instance.
# [16:59] <jdm> I don't believe those are counted as failures
# [16:59] <Yoric> So, right now, I search for UNEXPECTED-, then "ERROR -", then "error:", then anything else out of the ordinary...
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# [17:00] <Yoric> So, for instance, is the following a success? http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/dteller@mozilla.com-5e3764638a35/try-linux/try_fedora_test-jetpack-build271.txt.gz
# [17:00] <Yoric> TryServer sends it to me as an error
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# [17:00] <Yoric> It ends with "Unknown Error: command finished with exit code: 1"
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# [17:02] <jdm> Yoric: the jetpack suite is... special
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# [17:02] <jdm> philor will know better than I do its current state of reliability
# [17:03] <Yoric> So I should not use "-u all" atm?
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# [17:06] <philor> you can use it, you just need to ignore the bits of mail that are about things that are hidden on tbpl
# [17:06] <jdm> for example, almost all lion test results can be ignored
# [17:07] <philor> or if you're trying to construct an email-to-bug that says everything's perfect without people having to look at tbpl, yeah, you need to carefully pick suites and platforms :)
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# [17:08] <Yoric> :)
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# [17:10] <philor> jetpack is triple extra special since its own tree uses a different log parser, which doesn't object to things that try/m-c call errors
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# [17:11] <jdm> that sounds like the best idea
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# [17:12] <philor> I did file a bug on having a way to say that something experimental like jetpack and peptest weren't part of all, but I failed to have a kid 20 years ago who could fix the bug during his spring break
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# [17:13] <Yoric> :)
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# [17:14] <Yoric> What is the point of using a different parser?
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# [17:14] <Yoric> (or, more precisely, of logging in a different format)
# [17:14] <philor> the passage of time
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# [17:15] <philor> "we need to put this test on m-c, yeah it doesn't summarize its own pass/fails, just look for '^Traceback' and call that failure"
# [17:15] <philor> "we need to run jetpack against four different branches and put the results on a separate tree, and oh yeah, now the suite counts its own pass/fails"
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# [17:18] <philor> lesson learned: if you tell releng you absolutely positively have to have something right this instant that in truth you don't care at all about, you'll get it fast and dirty and it will be ignored from then on
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# [17:23] <Yoric> What about the following?
# [17:23] <Yoric> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9883301&tree=Try
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# [17:23] <Yoric> Any idea what's wrong?
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# [17:24] <philor> Win64
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# [17:24] <Yoric> Ok, so most likely not me.
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# [17:24] <philor> would you like to work for releng in the Only The Crappiest Jobs division?
# [17:24] <philor> it could be you!
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# [17:26] <philor> cloning the try repo onto a build slave is way harder than you would think, so there's a complicated multistep fallback process that tries this and that, and on Win64 it most fails
# [17:26] <Yoric> ok
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# [17:26] <Yoric> But for me, just having Windows installed is the worst part of my job at Mozilla so far :)
# [17:27] <Yoric> (well, ok, not having it installed, but having to use it)
# [17:27] <Yoric> So, thank you very much for the offer, but I will pass :)
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# [17:49] <gabor> after a hg pull I cannot build the platform, does this error seems familiar to anyone?
# [17:49] <gabor> No rule to make target '../../../xpcom/idl-parser/xpidllex.py' needed by ['<comm / and-line>', '../../../xpcom/idl-parser/xpidllex.py'] / No rule to make target '../../../xpcom/idl-parser/xpidlyacc.py' needed by ['<com / mand-line>', '../../../xpcom/idl-parser/xpidlyacc.py']
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# [17:50] <Ms2ger> firebot, tell gabor about xpidllex.py
# [17:50] <firebot> Ms2ger: told gabor
# [17:50] <@khuey> see /topic
# [17:50] <@khuey> oh, it got removed
# [17:50] <fabrice> gabor: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723861#c17
# [17:51] <gabor> thanks!
# [17:51] <Ms2ger> (<comm / and-line>?)
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# [17:53] <@khuey> glob: is it known that splinter does weird things on obsolete patches?
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# [17:54] <gabor> Ms2ger: sorry about that... there is an option in my chat client to replace new lines with slashes, so I can send a multi line message in one chunk... it's not as useful as it could be
# [17:54] <glob> khuey, not sure; it does a lot of weird things :)
# [17:55] <@khuey> heh
# [17:55] <glob> khuey, there's a splinter component under the bugzilla.mozilla.org product if you want to see if it's already been filed
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# [18:12] <biesi> drice, glad you found the real problem in the test!
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# [18:20] <@khuey> we need more automated things posting to planet
# [18:20] <@khuey> push the stuff that's going to start flame wars down faster :-P
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# [18:22] <jhammel> khuey: how about we post all irc chat on planet? that'd be a start
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# [18:22] <jhammel> maybe all SF office security violations?
# [18:22] <@khuey> haha
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# [18:23] <jhammel> TBH, though i wouldn't have advocated a planet.mozillians.org, if such does appear it will give me a place to put a large amount of software-related blog-posts that i intentionally didn't want to go to p.m.o
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# [18:24] <jdm> gavin: how would you like to proceed with investigating how addons use the private browsing service?
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# [18:36] <drice> biesi: Thanks. Waiting to see, since I haven't yet figured out whether or not the test fix change even made it into ThunderbirdTrunk.
# [18:36] <biesi> drice, if it's on mozilla-central it's on thunderbird trunk
# [18:36] <biesi> afaik
# [18:37] <gavin> jdm: what MXR queries did you want to run?
# [18:37] <jdm> gavin: I want to find all addons that query the private browsing state
# [18:37] <jdm> and then read how they use that data
# [18:37] <jdm> in other words, not really something I can do through you
# [18:37] <jdm> also addons that watch the transition
# [18:37] <mdas> lsblakk: ping
# [18:38] <lsblakk> mdas: pong
# [18:38] <drice> biesi: I think so too, I just haven't been able to work hg or tinderbox magic to confirm the change is in the builds I see on the thunderbirdtrunk tree
# [18:38] <drice> both hg and tinderbox are new to me
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# [18:38] <drice> I've given up the effort and will count on someone reopening if its not resolved
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# [18:39] <biesi> ah ok
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# [18:39] <mdas> lsblakk: I'm setting up a git->hg mirror repo, and I have an hg user repository on mozilla.org. I see now that I can't grant commit access to non-mozilla users, so I can't safely automate the mirror on a vm (I'm not putting my keys up there).
# [18:39] <biesi> drice, was there a comment in the bug mentioning mozilla-central? :)
# [18:39] <biesi> hmm, I gotta go
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# [18:39] <mdas> lsblakk: ctalbert mentioned that this was needed for the bugzilla push-to-try feature. What did you do there?
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# [18:41] <lsblakk> mdas: i think autoland does something different, first - it's in-network
# [18:42] <lsblakk> and second, we have a user account that can push to hg.m.o
# [18:42] <lsblakk> that pushed on behalf of the bugzilla account (after checking against ldap)
# [18:42] <lsblakk> so your scenario seems quite different
# [18:42] <lsblakk> mdas: i would ask brian warner if he's doing anything like this with jetpack
# [18:42] <lsblakk> they do git->hg as well
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# [18:42] <lsblakk> but he may just be using his mozilla user account
# [18:43] <mdas> lsblakk: yeah, we'll most likely be doing git->hg mirroring more often in the future, so we'll need a way to do this that doesn't involve employee user accounts
# [18:43] <mdas> I'll ask what he's doing, thanks!
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# [18:48] <ochameau> hey, I'm looking for some help with tinderbox
# [18:49] <ochameau> we are currently some oranges in jetpack tinderbox, happening only there, and I was wondering if we can get access to a slave to figure out what's wrong?
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# [18:52] <nemo> has anyone noticed weird problems selecting text lately?
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# [18:53] <nemo> (in nightly)
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# [18:55] <ochameau> bhearsum|buildduty: --^
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# [18:57] <nemo> strange stuff like after deselecting the text stays selected
# [18:57] <gps> espindola: have you looked into m-c build failures on Clang HEAD yet? there were lots of upstream changes to literals and the AST yesterday...
# [18:57] <nemo> (until I do something that repaints)
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# [18:58] <nemo> hm. maybe that's not it really.
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# [18:58] <nemo> hovering over links causes them to go black
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# [18:58] <nemo> also. only happens on my windows computer
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# [18:58] <nemo> I wonder if that's a 3rd variant of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687547
# [18:58] <kwierso> nemo: nvidia, ati, intel?
# [18:58] <jlebar> All the Talos machines are exactly the same hardware -- is that correct?
# [18:58] <espindola> gps: yes, I had no time to look at those
# [18:58] <nemo> kwierso: machine listed in the bug just linked
# [18:58] <espindola> I think the problem is that in c++11
# [18:58] <espindola> ""ooo
# [18:59] <espindola> is a user literal
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# [18:59] <espindola> but I am still tracking the last problem with centos ld producing an invalid eh_frame_hdr
# [19:00] <nemo> kwierso: it doesn't happen all the time. is kind of odd. I'm on a site, and only some pages cause it to happen.
# [19:00] <espindola> Once that is fixed I will upgrade clang and try to figure out if we need to change our code or clang
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# [19:01] <bhearsum|buildduty> ochameau: yup, just file a bug in mozilla.org: Release Engineering and i'll get to it quickly
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# [19:01] <gps> espindola: cool beans
# [19:01] <mdas> lsblakk: I just emailed warner in the meantime, it looks like they're using hg.mozilla.org/projects/addon-sdk. Since dxr has no plans to switch to hg, could we get a repository under /projects or something similar?
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# [19:03] <lsblakk> mdas: you can definitely get a repo in /projects- that's an IT bug
# [19:03] <nemo> kwierso: the odd thing is those pages cause it to happen every time.
# [19:03] <espindola> gps: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=ecb3bc140330
# [19:03] <espindola> that is clang
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# [19:04] <mdas> lsblakk: w00t, thanks
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# [19:04] <mdas> reading the Projects page wiki, it felt like it had to be an m-c release branch
# [19:04] <mdas> so I wasn't sure
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# [19:19] <Ms2ger> hgmo is slow?
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# [19:19] <smaug> isn't it always
# [19:19] <mdas> lsblakk: oh, btw, the https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering:ProjectBranchPlanning points to a releng bug template if someone wants to request a projects/ repo
# [19:19] <mdas> lsblakk: instead of IT
# [19:19] <lsblakk> mdas: that's different
# [19:19] <lsblakk> that's for automation on said project branch
# [19:19] <mdas> ah.
# [19:19] <mdas> ahhh I see! thanks
# [19:19] <Ms2ger> smaug, alright, slow*er*
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# [19:20] <lsblakk> mdas: will there ever be releng automation needed for this branch?
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# [19:28] <smaug> Ms2ger: oh, hgmo is really slow
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# [19:30] <Ms2ger> "Optimizations are disabled in NSPR when using --enable-optimize in mozconfig"
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# [19:31] <wesj> mbrubeck: did you see the comment in bug 733804?
# [19:32] <wesj> mbrubeck: sounds like he's dispatching his own touchcancel events in order to prevent panning
# [19:32] <mbrubeck> wesj: Still working through the morning's bugmail... looking
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# [19:32] <mdas> joe: that user input slowdown has resurfaced in Nightly. Do you know of any devs who wants extra data about it? :)
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# [19:33] <joe> mdas: mccr8
# [19:34] <mbrubeck> wesj: Very interesting. I never heard of content dispatching its own touchcancel before.
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# [19:35] <mdas> joe: thanks, I'll mosey over to #memshrink
# [19:36] <joe> mdas: one thing you could do is turn on javascript.options.mem.log, then look in the error console to see if your pause times are correlated with GC/CC
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# [19:38] <smaug> mdas: you could install about:jank
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# [19:40] <mccr8> joe: the MemChaser addon is the easiest way to check if CC/GC pauses are a problem.
# [19:40] <mccr8> also easier for people to remove etc. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/memchaser/
# [19:40] <joe> mccr8: the state of the art keeps changing!
# [19:40] <joe> mdas: ^
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# [19:41] <mccr8> yeah I mentioned it to him in memshrink. :)
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# [19:42] <jlebar> Can someone (sg?) cc me to bug 721264?
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# [19:45] <@khuey> maybe if IGC actually worked ;-)
# [19:45] <mbrubeck> yeah, waiting for the stuff to land that lets it stay enabled
# [19:46] <mccr8> mbrubeck: it is pretty smooth for me.
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# [19:46] <mbrubeck> mccr8: I start getting >100ms GCs (noticeable in gameplay and in memchaser) in higher levels when there are lots of ships at once.
# [19:47] <mbrubeck> It's much much smoother in Chrome on my Linux/amd64 system.
# [19:47] <mccr8> mbrubeck: Ah, I lacked the patience for that.
# [19:47] <mbrubeck> Yeah, it's kind of an endurance game... it was worse before they added "expert mode" :)
# [19:47] <mccr8> mbrubeck: you should file a bug and make it block bug 702495.
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# [19:50] <Wes> anybody here up on WebRTC? Will getUserMedia be implemented as navigator.MozGetUserMedia at first?
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# [19:50] * Wes is doing the feature-testing thing today
# [19:50] <mbrubeck> smaug: CC stays consistently at 6ms
# [19:50] <smaug> ok, good
# [19:51] <jesup> wes: I believe so, yes. Anant is currently handling that
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# [19:51] <Wes> jesup: Awesome, thanks. (capital M, right?)
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# [19:52] <Wes> anant: Will getUserMedia be implemented as navigator.MozGetUserMedia at first?
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# [19:57] <anant> Wes: yes, but small 'm' -> mozGetUserMedia
# [19:57] <anant> why capital?
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# [20:01] <Wes> (must admit I find that confusing)
# [20:01] <Ms2ger> anant, Wes, yeah, we're inconsistent there
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# [20:02] <anant> Ms2ger, Wes: they way I see it, declarative names when translated to JS get a capital letter, but JS-only APIs are small case
# [20:03] <anant> so getUserMedia would use a small 'm' since it is an API and there is no declarative aspect, like CSS
# [20:03] <Ms2ger> MozGetIPCContext?
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# [20:05] <anant> that's not a DOM API, is it?
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# [20:10] <Wes> anant: your rules also make sense if you think about translating between CSS and JS names: suddenly - in CSS means "next character is a capital in JS"
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# [20:10] <Wes> The confusion to the developer happens, though, when the rules aren't consistent across browsers (webkit)
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# [20:11] <Wes> i.e. I just wrote code which finds window.webkitURL.createObjectURL
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# [20:12] <Wes> You know would be cool as a developer? An API which says "drop the vendor prefixes for the following features"...although I can see that getting seriously abused, sadly
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# [20:13] <@bz> Also a footgun of mammoth proportions, no?
# [20:14] <@bz> think page includes libraries A and B
# [20:14] <@bz> library A asks for prefixes to be dropped on features X and Y
# [20:14] <@khuey> but footguns are fun!
# [20:14] <@bz> library B .... who knows!
# [20:14] <Wes> bz: footgun only in so much as using an unfinalized feature is a foot gun. This is just as bad, but more error prone: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1507258
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# [20:14] <Wes> bz: Hm, that's a good point, I hadn't considered the library case
# [20:14] <@bz> Wes: always consider the library case
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# [20:14] <@bz> Wes: aka the CMS case
# [20:14] <@bz> Wes: aka the blog post case
# [20:15] <@bz> Wes: most of the web falls into this case
# [20:15] * Waldo thinks footguns are important as an accessibility feature for those without hands
# [20:15] <Wes> No, you're right, I'm just in selfish-developer mode right now. ;)
# [20:15] <Wes> Waldo: now that's what I call thinking outside the box!
# [20:15] <@bz> Wes: ;)
# [20:15] <@bz> wes: a question for you
# [20:16] <@bz> wes: do your uses of requestAnimationFrame use the argument passed to the callback?
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# [20:16] <Wes> interesting question, lemme rtfs here
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# [20:16] <@dolske> Waldo: and that's why we don't call them "footarms". Too awkward.
# [20:17] <@bz> dolske: I think you meant "firelegs"
# [20:17] <Waldo> armed and dangerous
# [20:17] <@dolske> hmm. does one hold it with by the footle?
# [20:18] <@bz> and then we fall back on "forewarned => Ganesha"
# [20:19] <Wes> bz: No. Callback does use arguments, and here is typical use FWIW - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1507260
# [20:19] <@bz> wes: what I meant was, what does doMovement look like?
# [20:20] * @bz is not sure whether "does use" was meant to be "does not use" above....
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# [20:22] <Wes> bz: does not use, sorry. doMovement basically looks at a global variable which tells use what kind of movement we are animating (cursor key, touch screen "flick"), calculates where the viewport should be right now, moves the viewport, and reschedules the job. Movement can either be a CSS translation or a scroll update, depending on other activity in the application (like doing a zoom-in...
# [20:22] <Wes> ...scale transistion)
# [20:22] <@khuey> mats++
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# [20:23] <@bz> Wes: how are you determining "right now"?
# [20:23] <@bz> wes: Date.now() ?
# [20:23] <Wes> bz: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1507261 <- code, FWIW, and the 'immediateFlag' argument would technically be a "non fatal bug", since I didn't know the call back could be passed anything. ;)
# [20:23] <Wes> bz: yes
# [20:23] <@bz> wes: ok
# [20:23] <Ms2ger> WRONG!
# [20:23] <@bz> wes: good, I guess
# [20:23] <Ms2ger> ;)
# [20:23] <@bz> Ms2ger: but lucky
# [20:23] <Ms2ger> Indeed so
# [20:24] <@bz> ok
# [20:24] <@bz> back later
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# [20:24] <Ms2ger> Bye
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# [20:31] <fabrice> felipe: ping
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# [20:36] <@khuey> gah
# [20:36] <@khuey> me too
# [20:36] <@ehsan> Waldo: on inbound or aurora? ;)
# [20:36] <Waldo> ehsan: aurora
# [20:36] <@ehsan> Waldo: :P
# [20:36] <@khuey> gah
# [20:36] <@khuey> me too
# [20:36] <mccr8> now the race is on between Waldo and khuey!
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# [20:37] <Waldo> I won that race \o/
# [20:37] * @khuey decides he'll push after lunch
# [20:37] <Waldo> heh
# [20:37] <Waldo> THEN THE DAY IS MINE
# [20:37] <felipe> fabrice: pong
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# [20:38] <fabrice> felipe: do you mind checking what's wrong with my last patch in 697006 ? see last comment
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# [20:39] <felipe> fabrice: sure, I'll do that in a moment
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# [20:49] <dholbert> ttaubert, ping?
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# [20:51] <ttaubert> dholbert: hey
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# [20:54] <dholbert> ttaubert, (see my just-posted comment on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640443#c30 -- do you know if there are any other 'special boxes' that you need at this point, beyond stack?)
# [20:55] <dholbert> ttaubert, (haven't investigated your 'testcase 5' yet, but I'll take a look at that in a bit)
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# [20:56] <ttaubert> dholbert: so... I actually don't need the stack thing anymore, if you could make testcase 5 work :)
# [20:56] <dholbert> ttaubert, ah, cool
# [20:56] <dholbert> ttaubert, looking at that now, then. :)
# [20:56] <ttaubert> dholbert: I'm fine with not broadening the scope too much and everything I want should work with #5
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# [20:56] <ttaubert> dholbert: cool, thx!
# [20:56] <dholbert> ttaubert, np
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# [20:59] <NeilAway> if (ul.firstChild) ul.insertBefore(li, ul.firstChild); else ul.appendChild(li);
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# [21:00] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, ul.insertBefore(li, ul.firstChild); unconditionally should work
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# [21:00] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: not my code :-P
# [21:00] <smaug> I would guess that was NeilAway's point :)
# [21:00] <Ms2ger> sofixit
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# [21:02] <NeilAway> smaug++
# [21:02] <Ms2ger> mounir--
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# [21:04] <NeilAway> Ms2ger--
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# [21:05] <smaug> ++mounir; ++Ms2ger;
# [21:05] <Ms2ger> ++smaug
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# [21:06] <dholbert> ttaubert, I don't think testcase 5 is valid
# [21:06] <dholbert> ttaubert, position:absolute takes it out of flow
# [21:07] <Ms2ger> Even in flexbox?
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# [21:07] <dholbert> Ms2ger, yeah -- IIRC position:absolute children aren't flexible. (/me looks up spec to be sure I'm not misremembering)
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# [21:08] <dholbert> yeah
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# [21:08] <dholbert> at least in the new flexbox spec, it says e.g. (in an example) "Similarly, the [abspos child] is not a flexbox item, because it's absolutely positioned and thus out of flow."
# [21:08] <ttaubert> dholbert: so the parent is flex but position:relative, the child with position:absolute should be able to set left/right/top/bottom:0 to stretch it, right?
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# [21:09] <dholbert> ttaubert, do left/right/top/bottom actually stretch things? I didn't think they did
# [21:09] <dholbert> I thought it was just for positioning
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# [21:09] <ttaubert> dholbert: it does
# [21:09] <dholbert> ah, ok. /me digs more then
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# [21:11] <dholbert> ttaubert, (yeah, you're right)
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# [21:14] <mkaply> bsmedberg: Thought you might find this bug interesting - bug 733436
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# [21:34] <nalexander> Could someone provide me the spamfilter password for the weekly status update ticker?
# [21:34] <nalexander> "In order to cut down on spam and avoid captchas, Get this password from somebody in the community who knows it. Try irc.mozilla.org #developers."
# [21:35] <@ehsan> khuey: bbondy: mozilla-build's hg.exe doesn't work, known problem?
# [21:36] <edmorley> Ms2ger: good evening :-)
# [21:36] <Ms2ger> Hi edmorley :)
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# [21:37] <Ms2ger> And good night :)
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# [21:42] <jimm> rs: ping
# [21:42] <rs> jimm: pong
# [21:42] <jimm> rs: hey did I miss that call?
# [21:42] <rs> jimm: no, 1 PM Mozilla time
# [21:42] <bbondy> ehsan: not sure
# [21:43] <bbondy> ehsan: I use tortoisehg on windows, and command line via that
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# [21:43] <edmorley> bbondy: does it leak like crazy for you too?
# [21:44] <edmorley> i've stopped using it as a result
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# [21:44] <jimm> rs: ah, cool.
# [21:44] <bbondy> do you mean tortoisehgoverlayserver.exe?
# [21:44] <bbondy> that's the only thing that runs for an extended period of time
# [21:44] <edmorley> bbondy: I don't run the overlay, I just mean the main application
# [21:45] <@ehsan> bbondy: ok I'll do that
# [21:45] <bbondy> not sure but when it runs it closes quickly so any ram will be released to the OS anyway
# [21:45] <@ehsan> and I will also file a bug
# [21:45] <edmorley> bbondy: as in do a few qpush/qpops/pulls over 30 mins and end up with it consuming 1.2 GB virtual
# [21:45] <edmorley> s/virtual/working set/
# [21:45] <@ehsan> anybody remember where mozillabuild bugs should go?
# [21:45] <philor> other applications, isn't it?
# [21:45] <bbondy> as far as I know each qpush or any other command runs as a separate instance
# [21:46] <edmorley> bbondy: yeah but the main app bloats for me
# [21:46] <bbondy> The gui stuff is horrible for lag
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# [21:46] <bbondy> I mainly use command line
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# [21:47] <edmorley> bbondy: I've just given up on it for now, though don't know why I was having so many problems that weren't reported on their tracker (x64 builds experiemental perhaps?)
# [21:47] <@ehsan> philor: nope
# [21:47] <philor> ehsan: mozilla.org :: MozillaBuild
# [21:48] <philor> I almost always get it in two products
# [21:48] <@ehsan> ty
# [21:48] <bbondy> not sure, I'm using x64 now, they do pretty frequent releases though so maybe try a newer one
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# [21:48] <cshields> ~5 min downtime on svn and hg to fix an ldap problem
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# [21:59] <gaston> doh, and i going to push to try.. right when hg is down :)
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# [22:07] <NeilAway> cshields: hg still down?
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# [22:11] <philor> jimm: is my suspicion that it's you leaking in Win7 M4 on inbound reasonable?
# [22:12] <NeilAway> cshields: ah, working now :-)
# [22:13] <ttaubert> dholbert: excellent thank you (also for reducing my weird test case)
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# [22:14] <philor> oh, and going way over the browser-chrome threshold, too
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# [22:15] <dholbert> ttaubert, np. I assume that bug blocks as much as the other one does?
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# [22:20] <Fallen> how do I hg strip if I don't have strip available?
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# [22:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2f6368ca605e - Serge Gautherie - Bug 629595. (Cv1) Remove unwanted debug ok(false,) from patch Av3b, Fix nits. r=bjacob.
# [22:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/974e7a3031f3 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 627616. (AAv1) Add missing text to is() calls. r=honzab.
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# [22:25] <nemo> if 2 plugins satisfy the same thing (gnash/flash)
# [22:25] <nemo> how does firefox pick which one
# [22:25] <nemo> and do I have any control over that?
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# [22:27] <smaug> nemo: preferences->applications ?
# [22:27] <@khuey> ehsan: from outside of msys?
# [22:27] <@ehsan> khuey: no
# [22:27] <@ehsan> well
# [22:27] <@ehsan> yes
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# [22:27] <nemo> smaug: ??? how does that control plugins? :)
# [22:27] <@ehsan> both from inside and outside
# [22:28] <smaug> nemo: um, perhaps I misunderstood
# [22:28] <@khuey> ehsan: if you fire up a m-b terminal and use hg does it work?
# [22:28] <smaug> nemo: and I don't actually use Flash nor gnash ;)
# [22:28] <@ehsan> khuey: no
# [22:28] <nemo> smaug: mm. well. that's more of an option now that youtube has HTML5 - unfortunately, not so useful on Hulu or Vimeo
# [22:29] <@khuey> ehsan: that is ... not expected ...
# [22:29] <@khuey> ehsan: try reinstalling m-b?
# [22:29] <@ehsan> khuey: this is vista only
# [22:29] <@khuey> oh
# [22:29] <@khuey> why the hell are you using vista?
# [22:29] <@khuey> :-D
# [22:29] <@ehsan> khuey: because of bugs ;)
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# [22:29] <@khuey> well, we didn't test it on vista
# [22:29] <@ehsan> I need to debug something on vista
# [22:29] <@ehsan> and I need to build
# [22:29] <@khuey> wouldn't be surprised if the hg folks didn't either
# [22:29] <@ehsan> well maybe we should ;)
# [22:30] <@ehsan> maybe they should too
# [22:30] <smaug> nemo: hulu isn't available here, and I don't use vimeo
# [22:30] <@ehsan> vista was a great os
# [22:30] <@khuey> ehsan: we don't test Firefox on Vista ...
# [22:30] <@ehsan> much better than ...
# [22:30] <@ehsan> well
# [22:30] <@ehsan> OS/2
# [22:30] <@khuey> heresy!
# [22:30] <@khuey> OS/2 was great
# [22:30] <@dolske> debatable.
# [22:30] <@ehsan> khuey: false. this bug is brought to my attention by QA :P
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# [22:30] <@khuey> ehsan: is QA running our entire test suite there? ;-)
# [22:31] <@ehsan> khuey: no but out test suite is overrated
# [22:31] <@ehsan> just try running it on ANY machine which is not a special tinderbox machine
# [22:31] <@ehsan> and see tests failing
# [22:31] * @ehsan has stopped being sarcastic for the last two lines
# [22:31] <jhammel> or even machines which are special tinderbox machines ;)
# [22:32] <nemo> smaug: was just wondering. I have both gnash and flash on this machine, and it is never clear to me which one firefox resorts to, when I have both enabled in about:addons
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# [22:32] <@ehsan> jhammel: case in point ;)
# [22:32] <nemo> smaug: and it *is* still necessary sometimes. webmd uses it for illustrations and such, for some reason
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# [22:33] <@khuey> ehsan: the tests mostly work for me locally
# [22:33] <@khuey> there are a couple of reftests that are picky
# [22:33] <@ehsan> khuey: the keyword there is "mostly" ;)
# [22:33] <@ehsan> anyways
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# [22:34] <@ehsan> tortoisehg works fine
# [22:34] <@ehsan> so I won't pursue this more
# [22:34] <@ehsan> ;)
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# [22:55] <ttaubert> dholbert: yes it blocks the new layout as much as the other
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# [22:55] <dholbert> ttaubert, ok
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# [23:05] <rhelmer> philor: btw I have been talking to sheeri and others in #webdev about tbpl, we could probably benefit quite a bit from doing server-side caching and giving tbpl a per-user max_connection limit
# [23:05] <rhelmer> philor: I am thinking about closing your "find a more effective way to kill mysql connections" and filing one that we should use caching and limit connections
# [23:06] <sheeri> I'm OK with keeping the more effective way to kill mysql cxns open, and also do the other stuff :D
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# [23:06] <rhelmer> philor: there's no reason to be bugging mysql more often than we're trolling buildbot JSON files, for example, and I don't want to depend just on HTTP expiration headers etc.
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# [23:10] <philor> sheeri: in 733556, not sure what you mean by "all those rows being processed" so I'm not sure whether it's necessary or not
# [23:10] <NeilAway> gerv: http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=1586-06-15 (they are pseudorandomly generated with the date as the seed)
# [23:10] <sheeri> philor: rhelmer set me straight - I now grok that the rows being processed are only the recent ones.
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# [23:11] <anant> lsblakk: ping
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# [23:11] <lsblakk> anant: pong
# [23:11] <sheeri> philor: you'd said that the data growth might have been enough to push this over the edge, and if that's the case it would have to be doing something like iterating over all that data.
# [23:11] <anant> lsblakk: I was wondering if there was anything we could do to have level 1 committers be able to push code to a branch like alder? or do we need to elevate them to level 2?
# [23:11] <sheeri> philor: so that's why I was saying "all those rows". I was going on that assumption, which I have since found out is wrong. :D
# [23:12] <philor> sheeri: ah; the growth I was worried about was the bad query and its 8000 rows, if we were looking at every single row when we didn't have to before you set us on the path of righteousness
# [23:12] <sheeri> *nod* but I <3 indexes.
# [23:13] <jhammel> indices ;)
# [23:13] <rhelmer> philor: sheeri: so afaik tbpl hits hg.m.o and gets a list of recent shasums, and uses those to pull out the rows it cares about (those rows being data from buildbot refreshed every 5m iirc)
# [23:13] <sheeri> jhammel: funnily, not in db parlance, nor in library science. It's officially "indexes". Offends my years of Latin in high school, but there you go.
# [23:13] <jhammel> heh
# [23:13] <sheeri> rhelmer: I believe it, maybe about 300 rows sounds right?
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# [23:13] <rhelmer> philor: sheeri: the query before sheeri fixed it was doing a subselect that was probably doing a full scan on one of the larger tables
# [23:14] <lsblakk> anant: i would ask IT if that branch can be level 1 while you're in possession of it - but also make a note in the booking wiki to remember to reset it to 2 for next borrower
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# [23:14] <sheeri> rhelmer: yes, and it does a full scan of the inner table for *each* row in the outer table. We then optimized it to a join not using an index, which only did 1 full scan. THen we added an index and there was much rejoicing.
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# [23:15] <anant> lsblakk: thanks! so they are level 2 by default, I take it.
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# [23:15] <lsblakk> anant: yes, they all are
# [23:16] <philor> and bug 703967 gets more complicated now, because it used to be reasonable for tbpl to throw away old data because it depended on the logs still being on ftp.m.o to be useful, but if we ever land the log caching patch, then tbpl can still have useful results for all time
# [23:17] <rhelmer> philor: does TBPL need to store cached logs for all time?
# [23:17] <rhelmer> philor: are they archived on FTP forever? thought they expired from there
# [23:18] <edmorley> anant: all commits will need to be inspected by someone with level 3 before merging to m-c obviously
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# [23:19] <NeilAway> does anyone know where the Mac progressmeter implementation lives?
# [23:19] <anant> edmorley: yes, the intent is to get some level 1 contributors do some experiments in the branch, and when we have a better handle on which approach works best, we will create patches that will go through the regular m-c review process.
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# [23:19] <edmorley> anant: ah, cool :-)
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# [23:19] <NeilAway> jhammel: iirc indices === exponents of powers
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# [23:20] <NeilAway> jhammel: also array indices, of course
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# [23:21] <lmandel> jet: I have a what looks like a layout inconsistency reported to me by a friend. Layout is messed up on Win7 pro x64 but works on other platforms. bug 732986.
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# [23:22] <philor> rhelmer: they expire from ftp, because IT doesn't want us storing logs and builds forever on expensive storage, but the patch you backed out yesterday fetches them and stores them, so it would be possible to have a tbpl which could say what happened more than 30/14 days ago
# [23:23] <rhelmer> philor: is mysql less expensive storage? :P
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# [23:23] <jet> lmandel: can we get your friend to send us an HTML file with the bug boiled down to the offending HTML/CSS markup?
# [23:23] <rhelmer> philor: you know if we do a caching layer for tbpl it might be a nicer place to store logs too
# [23:23] <rhelmer> philor: I need to talk with IT about what the generic cluster has/could have available to use
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# [23:24] <rhelmer> philor: I'll file a bug we can see what swatinem and mstange think
# [23:24] <lmandel> jet: I'll get back to him and see what I can do. I've got screenshots in the bug to start.
# [23:24] <philor> rhelmer: absolutely no idea, that's why the data expiration strategy bug is full of me saying "at some unknown time in the future, IT will rear its head and roar 'you must use less space, you have 30 minutes'"
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# [23:25] <rhelmer> philor: well that's pretty easy to do with mysql fortunately :P
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# [23:26] <rhelmer> philor: if the logs are fairly large I think it'll eventually rear it's head though, would be nice to anticipate it
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# [23:28] <jesup> bhearsum|afk: ping
# [23:28] <nthomas> he's commuting home
# [23:28] <jesup> ah, thanks
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# [23:29] <gcp> Chrome pwnt
# [23:29] <blizzard> gcp: ?
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# [23:29] <gcp> https://pwnium.appspot.com/
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# [23:29] <gcp> Full Chrome Pwn 60 000$
# [23:30] <WeirdAl> Hey guys, got another weird build bustage on a clean mozilla-central: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1507644
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# [23:30] <WeirdAl> I'm betting someone had to have seen that before ;)
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# [23:30] <blizzard> gcp: nice
# [23:30] <smaug> gcp: 2 separate things, "Google Chrome is the first browser to fall at #pwn2own 2012 " , and pwnium
# [23:30] <blizzard> gcp: anyone cracked firefox yet?
# [23:31] <gcp> I have no idea.
# [23:31] <blizzard> *nod*
# [23:31] <hub> did they use Flash to pwn it?
# [23:31] <smaug> based on twitter, only Chrome so far
# [23:31] <smaug> (twice)
# [23:32] <gcp> Flash wouldn't earn 60k
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# [23:32] <jhammel> i don't know, i read a lot of tech press that says that Chrome is the only secure browser...
# [23:32] <mwu> kinetik: ping
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# [23:33] <smaug> jhammel: I don't trust any software engineering. security bugs everywhere :)
# [23:33] <nemo> !@#$ I click on ehsanakhgari.org/blog/2012-01-25/porting-opengl-application-web?utm_source=html5weekly&utm_medium=email
# [23:33] <nemo> !@#$!@#$!@#
# [23:34] <nemo> http://ehsanakhgari.org/blog/2012-01-25/porting-opengl-application-web?utm_source=html5weekly&utm_medium=email
# [23:34] <nemo> I click on that
# [23:34] <philor> I presume nobody is watching inbound?
# [23:34] <@ehsan> nemo: ok what happens?
# [23:34] <nemo> I click before the ? to delete the pingback. hit shift-end,del
# [23:34] <nemo> then shift-home, ctrl-ins
# [23:34] <nemo> shift-ins
# [23:34] <nemo> hey. look. no http
# [23:35] <@ehsan> oh ok
# [23:35] <@ehsan> nemo: file a bug :)
# [23:35] <nemo> if I hit ctrl-z to undo the edit like I did above
# [23:35] <nemo> then shift-home ctrl-ins/shift-ins
# [23:35] <nemo> then I get the *WHOLE* link with no HTTP
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# [23:35] <nemo> ehsan: no. I'm giving up on that !@#$ stupid idea
# [23:35] <WeirdAl> what could cause nsGkAtoms to be undefined in WinMouseScrollHandler?
# [23:35] <nemo> ehsan: the only reason that !@#$ stupid option was in this profile was I'd just deleted it to do a clean test :(
# [23:35] <nemo> hate HATE HAAAAATE
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# [23:36] <nemo> ehsan: not filing any bugs to help that stupidity live on
# [23:36] <@ehsan> nemo: ok, I'm missing context here, but I don't know why you're so angry
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# [23:36] <jhammel> missing http://
# [23:36] <nemo> jhammel: amen brother
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# [23:37] <@ehsan> well don't expect the bugs to be fixed if you don't file them :)
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# [23:38] <nemo> ehsan: the fix for the bug is to stop hiding parts of the URL just because some other idiots added it to their browser
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# [23:38] <nemo> besides. I reported this one a while ago
# [23:39] <nemo> same circumstances
# [23:39] <nemo> it was marked "fixed"
# [23:39] <@ehsan> nemo: no, this is just a bug in a feature. software has bugs, as we all know
# [23:39] <nemo> a stupid feature
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# [23:39] <philor> mbrubeck: ping
# [23:40] <nemo> the whole reason this stupid feature has bugs is it is trying to work around something. specialcasing due to odd interaction between the hidden stuff and normal use of the URL bar
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# [23:41] <mbrubeck> philor: pong
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# [23:41] <mbrubeck> philor: I saw the scrollback about the new leaks after I made my comment
# [23:41] <@ehsan> ok, I'll stop. this conversation is not going anywhere...
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# [23:41] <philor> mbrubeck: yeah, that was what I was going to say
# [23:42] <philor> dunno what to attribute the Win debug build failures to, but I know about the leaks
# [23:42] <mbrubeck> cannot copy a directory into itself? Try harder, cp!
# [23:42] <WeirdAl> philor: I'm building Win debug right now
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# [23:43] <WeirdAl> and hit a bustage where nsGkAtoms wasn't available
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# [23:46] <philor> mbrubeck: oh, https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/recent/mw32-ix-slave05
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# [23:47] <Pike> dolske, philor: I see two burning builds on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora&rev=2d7675fa0920, are those serious? I'd have a DONTBUILD patch to push and don't want to cause trouble
# [23:47] <philor> so the non-tip red is from the purple before
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# [23:48] <sheeri> philor: rhelmer do you want me to set a limit for the tbpl_user? I've set max_connections back to 1200, so maybe setting max cxns for tbpl_user to 1000 at a time?
# [23:48] <philor> Pike: very non-serious, not burning, and not builds, just the normal Android noises, push away
# [23:48] <sheeri> it's a trivial change, all I do is change the grant for the tpbl_user, though I'd want it in a ticket.
# [23:48] <Pike> thanks
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# [23:50] * mbrubeck really wanted to blame https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672175 next for the test_native_mouse_mac.xul timeouts, but it's a Windows-only change. :/
# [23:50] <philor> sheeri: sorry, not something I'd have any sort of informed opinion about, really I'm just the primary user of tbpl, not actually a webdev
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# [23:50] <sheeri> philor: that's fair.
# [23:50] <sheeri> I'll put it in and take full responsibility/blame if something goes wrong.
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# [23:51] <rhelmer> sheeri: yeah I think that's fine, I don't want to take down other users of the DB
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# [23:52] <kinetik> mwu: hi
# [23:52] <mwu> kinetik: so, are you gonna work on the pulseaudio backend for cubeb
# [23:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7813816f7ff4 - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 733674 - B2G SMS: Fix off-by-one errors in timestamp computation. r=qDot
# [23:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/36c4724de5bf - yoshi huang - Bug 720638 - B2G RIL: Read MSISDN. r=philikon
# [23:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a4415019a57a - Vicamo Yang - Bug 729876 - Part 1: Remove redundant tailing char in SMS. r=philikon
# [23:52] <mwu> because I might want to try if not
# [23:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/453d5c733caa - Vicamo Yang - Bug 729876 - Part 2: SMS tests. r=philikon DONTBUILD because NPOTB
# [23:52] <kinetik> mwu: it's already done
# [23:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/96c36ac5ad2b - Price Tseng - Bug 713451 - B2G RIL: Handle request errors. r=philikon
# [23:52] <mwu> ahh great
# [23:53] <mwu> is there a bug for it?
# [23:53] <kinetik> mwu: not explicitly
# [23:53] <kinetik> mwu: it does need some work to allow runtime selection, it's compile-time only at the moment
# [23:53] <mwu> that's fine, I only need compile time selection
# [23:54] <mwu> we control the everything on b2g.
# [23:54] <kinetik> mwu: ah, nice
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# [23:54] <mwu> also, any idea when cubeb will get turned back on? sounded like there were some bad assertions
# [23:55] <mwu> kinetik: do you mind uploading your WIP somewhere?
# [23:55] <kinetik> mwu: pretty soon, i just need to finish testing the fix for that
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# [23:55] <mwu> excellent
# [23:56] <kinetik> mwu: github.com/kinetiknz/cubeb is fairly up-to-date
# [23:56] <kinetik> mwu: there will be fresh patches on the bug soonish
# [23:56] <mwu> github yay
# [23:56] <mwu> ok
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