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# Session Start: Thu Mar 08 00:00:02 2012
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# [00:06] <Mossop> bsmedberg: If we think it'd be better for developers to distribute the XULRunner runtime with their app rather than install it globally then why do we ship the OSX runtime as a dmg containing a pkg that installs it globally?
# [00:06] <rillian_lime> so ekr and I are both getting an assertion followed by a segfault with our m-c builds on MacOS Lion
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# [00:06] <rillian_lime> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1507666
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# [00:06] <rillian_lime> anyone else seeing anything like this?
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# [00:08] <rillian_lime> this happens at launch, before even showing a window
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# [00:14] <WeirdAl> :'(
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# [00:48] <edmorley> https://pwnium.appspot.com/ -> " This application is temporarily over its serving quota. Please try again later. "
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# [00:49] <gcp> looks like its popular news
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# [01:12] <gcp> ..and a second one
# [01:13] <jdm|dinner> NeilAway: there should be
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# [01:13] <WeirdAl> I guess I'll try getting help for my build bustage later
# [01:13] <WeirdAl> s/later/tomorrow
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# [01:24] <njn> is there a way to see what changes were added by my last |hg pull| ?
# [01:25] * philor suspects `hg revert && hg incoming` would not be helpful
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# [01:26] <mbrubeck> "git reflog" <--- also not helpful
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# [01:27] <jhammel> is that for flogging a git repository yet again?
# [01:27] <jhammel> sounds like what i want
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# [01:28] <philor> eh, I meant rollback, but my love of revert shone through
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# [01:31] <dholbert> jhammel++
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# [01:36] <mak> njn: I think you must know the changeset you were before the pull
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# [01:38] <Waldo> |hg export `hg id`:tip| maybe?
# [01:38] <Waldo> assuming you didn't pull -u
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# [01:39] <njn> Waldo: I did -u as well :/
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# [01:40] <Waldo> if you had a queue pushed, you might be able to figure out the base from .hg/strip-backups for your queue at the time
# [01:40] <Waldo> maybe
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# [01:42] <Waldo> luke: Java APIs for DOM?
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# [01:45] <Waldo> hm, wrong channel for that :-)
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# [01:50] <jhammel> so is win64 opt just always fail these days?
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# [01:50] * jhammel guess mac64 will also be a fail
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# [01:51] <philor> jhammel: on try, failing in hg?
# [01:52] <jhammel> philor: yep, just like yesterday
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# [01:53] <cers> could someone with access mark bug 609588 as fixed?
# [01:53] <mbrubeck> cers: Okay
# [01:53] <cers> mbrubeck: thanks
# [01:54] <philor> jhammel: see, what's going to happen is later this week Asa is going to announce the product team's future plans for Win64, and then releng will leap into action and actually look at the current state of Win64 (which is the same as the state of that lettuce leaf you dropped in the trash can before you put in a new liner, last October)
# [01:54] <jhammel> so what i'm hearing is....red is the new green
# [01:54] <philor> or, shut it off, but I doubt that's where we're going
# [01:55] <jhammel> i mean, until the announcement is made anyway
# [01:55] <jhammel> and i shouldn't be retrying these jobs because they're just going to fail again and waste machine time
# [01:55] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&jobname=WINNT%206.1%20x86-64&rev=a9a68af180ac
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# [01:56] <philor> that was *today*! it was green *today*!
# [01:56] <jhammel> heh
# [01:57] <philor> 3 of 21
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# [01:59] <philor> meh. there's separate pools of try builders and everythingelse builders, and a Win64 builder does nothing else, retriggering only wastes machine time that would be used for the exact same thing on someone else's try push
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# [02:00] <philor> I wouldn't because it waste your time, and you're not pushing things that would cause Win64 and only Win64 to stop building, but in general? retrigger away
# [02:00] <jhammel> heh
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# [02:01] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733905
# [02:02] <jrmuizel> \o/
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# [02:08] <RyanVM> philor: I've starred everything on inbound I'm comfortable with
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# [02:10] <derf> khuey: Smart man.
# [02:10] <derf> I still wish there was a way to watch a compnent, yet stop getting mails for specific bugs in that component.
# [02:10] <derf> *component
# [02:12] <philor> RyanVM: yeah, bnicholson knows about his rc, dunno whether jimm knows he's leaking all over the place
# [02:13] <RyanVM> khuey: beat you to it :P
# [02:14] <mbrubeck> should we just back out jimm?
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# [02:17] <dholbert> ttaubert, you awake by any chance? :)
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# [02:18] <jimm> huh?
# [02:18] <mbrubeck> jimm: Bug 373266 seems to have caused new and very frequent leaks on Windows
# [02:18] <mbrubeck> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=a3739a2c19c1
# [02:18] <mbrubeck> actually, not just frequent... perma
# [02:18] <jimm> oh poop. odd that never showed up on try.
# [02:19] <jimm> yeah back it out.
# [02:19] <jimm> I don't have time to look at it now.
# [02:19] <mbrubeck> okay. sorry!
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# [02:20] <jimm> hmph, it's not perma, maybe that's why try missed it. sometimes test runs are green.
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# [02:21] <mbrubeck> jimm: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?noignore=0&tree=Try&rev=313daee316dc got the old leak... and your later Try run did not include mochitests.
# [02:21] <mbrubeck> could it have been introduced in the changes in between?
# [02:21] <jimm> don't know. but I've run this through try a few times underneath other patches.
# [02:21] <mbrubeck> oh yeah, and you're right; it's not quite permaorange
# [02:22] <jimm> I'll just run it through try some more and locally, try to track it down.
# [02:22] <jimm> what on earth would cause so many leaks?? :)
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# [02:23] <jimm> hmm opt4 is also random orange
# [02:23] <jimm> bleck
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# [02:25] <jimm> since this is nsNativeThemeWin which is a global, I wonder if sometimes it's missing the xpcom shutdown event for some reason.
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# [02:27] <blassey> what defines "old firefox" here? http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/happy/
# [02:28] <blassey> also, what is that data? MTTF?
# [02:28] <gavin> heh
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# [02:29] <mbrubeck> blassey: That's a page from a 3.6 -> rapidrelease update campaign. (But I have no idea what the data is either.)
# [02:30] <mbrubeck> c.f. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/speed/
# [02:30] <jlebar> Can I disable the unresponsive script warning?
# [02:31] <mbrubeck> jlebar: Yeah, set dom.max_chrome_script_run_time = 0
# [02:31] <mbrubeck> jlebar: I mean dom.max_script_run_time = 0
# [02:31] <mbrubeck> (the former is for chrome scripts only; the latter is for web content)
# [02:32] <jlebar> mbrubeck, aha; thanks.
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# [02:39] <Callek> khuey: have two quick seconds
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# [02:39] <Callek> khuey: I have a beta-build error that I *think* is just "needs a clobber" but I want a confirmation before I spin my next beta build
# [02:39] <Callek> (well the error was beta dep, and I'm doing a real-beta-release)
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# [02:40] <Callek> khuey: http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showlog.cgi?log=SeaMonkey-Beta/1331147613.1331149049.28659.gz
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# [02:45] <@khuey> Callek: looks like 721735
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# [02:46] <Callek> ahh yea thats likely it
# [02:46] <Callek> :/
# [02:46] <@khuey> Callek: it's fixed on aurora!
# [02:46] <Callek> well that means nothing I should worry about in terms of doing the build (might burn a real beta build, but chances are smaller)
# [02:46] <@khuey> you could build that instead :-P
# [02:46] <Callek> khuey: thanks
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# [02:47] <Callek> khuey: but no ideas as to the issue I noted in #pymake earlier?
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# [02:48] <njn> Is there any easy way to do |printf("%'d", n)| in Mozilla code? It's the ' that's key, I want thousands separators...
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# [02:49] <njn> it's a SUSv2 thing that some GCC versions don't support, unfortunately
# [02:49] <Callek> njn: well the problem is that thousands sep varies by locale!
# [02:49] <Callek> njn: some locales have |,| some have |.|
# [02:49] <njn> Callek: all the more reason I want to avoid rolling my own version
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# [02:51] <njn> this must be a problem that's been solved somewhere in Gecko
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# [02:51] <jlebar> taras, mccr8 If you want a fun un-snappy website, try the vidyo recorded video player.
# [02:52] <jlebar> taras, mccr8 Tab switching was ~1s with that thing open. Back to normal, snappy self with it closed.
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# [02:52] * Mook_as doesn't think PR_printf family supports it, see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/nsprpub/pr/include/prprf.h#41
# [02:52] <mccr8> Vidyo is just trying to help you focus on the video.
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# [02:52] <jlebar> mccr8, It's paused!
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# [02:59] <nthomas> hg.m.o is running slow
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# [03:00] <heycam> I just got a HTTP Error 500 when trying to pull
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# [03:03] <nthomas> bug 733985 to track
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# [03:14] <njn> Chrome got pwned? nice
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# [03:14] <JonathanS> njn, 2 exploits
# [03:15] <JonathanS> Sandbox is no silver bullet
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# [03:16] <mayhemer> is it known that WinMouseScrollHandler.cpp is not buildable on windows (pymake)?
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# [03:16] <heycam> masayuki ^
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# [03:17] <gps> my automated Windows PyMake builder hasn't encountered that error
# [03:17] <heycam> mayhemer, although I did just compile with pymake after updating my tree specifically to get those recent mouse wheel changes, and didn't have any problems
# [03:17] <@khuey> my not-automated Windows PyMake builder hasn't encountered that error
# [03:17] <masayuki> Hmm, I developed it with pymake...
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# [03:18] <mayhemer> heycam: I have the most recent cs (453d5c733caa), no local patches, clobbered build
# [03:18] <mayhemer> heycam: and building m-c
# [03:18] <heycam> mayhemer, yeah same revision here
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# [03:19] <mayhemer> heycam: it maybe a broken local repo... but that is unlikely...
# [03:19] <mayhemer> heycam: btw, thanks for feedback
# [03:19] <heycam> :)
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# [03:24] <mayhemer> heycam: so, I need to add #include "nsGkAtoms.h" to that file to build... interesting you don't but I don't see this the first time - missing #include doesn't break build almost everywhere...
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# [03:26] <heycam> mayhemer, yeah that's strange, wonder if it would change with a clobber
# [03:26] <mayhemer> heycam: doesn't
# [03:26] <mayhemer> for me...
# [03:26] <heycam> on my side :)
# [03:26] <mayhemer> ah :)
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# [03:26] <mayhemer> just try ;)
# [03:27] <heycam> mayhemer, well the file is using nsGkAtoms so it should probably include the header anyway
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# [03:36] <heycam> nthomas, are the trees good to open?
# [03:37] <nthomas> I think so. hg look fine for you ?
# [03:37] <heycam> nthomas, yep working for me now
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# [03:45] * njn thinks the most surprising thing about the iPad 3 is that Apple isn't calling it the "iPad 3"
# [03:46] <JonathanS> njn, iDon'tCare
# [03:46] <@khuey> is it "Sir iPad the Third"?
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# [03:46] <JonathanS> khuey, No, They called it as "New iPad"
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# [03:46] <heycam> because that worked so well for New Coke
# [03:47] <JonathanS> new coke was failure
# [03:47] <njn> they had side-by-side comparisons of "iPad 2" and "new iPad"
# [03:47] <diogogmt> I wasn't geting any build problems, but after updating my branch with trunk I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1508042
# [03:47] <JonathanS> njn, like Classic Coke and New Coke?
# [03:48] <derf> JonathanS: It's okay, if that's the most surprising thing about it, the rest must be indescribably boring.
# [03:48] <njn> JonathanS: not like that at all. Apple's been *so* big on version numbers recently, just odd to see that change
# [03:48] <JonathanS> njn, well Tim Cook used to work for pepsi.
# [03:48] <@khuey> diogogmt: the part above that is the interesting part ...
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# [03:49] <sancus> you see the new ipad you can buy is called the ipad, and the old ipad that you can still buy is called the ipad 2
# [03:49] <sancus> this will surely not result in any confusion
# [03:49] <JonathanS> sancus, 2 is greater than just ipad?
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# [03:49] <sancus> no, the ipad is better than the ipad 2 :P
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# [03:50] <fabrice> I'm mostly waiting for the name they'll give to the next iPad
# [03:50] <ewong> iPad 3
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# [03:58] <firebot> roc was last seen 26 hours, 57 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying 'I'm watching out the window of our apartment :-)' in #gfx.
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# [04:03] <JonathanS> khuey, did you heard about USF budget and tution increases?
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# [04:07] <@khuey> JonathanS: yep
# [04:07] <@khuey> JonathanS: glad I got out of FL when I did ;-)
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# [04:08] <JonathanS> khuey, heh
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# [04:09] <derf> I think while I was at UNC, out-of-state tuition went up by something like $3k/semester.
# [04:09] <@khuey> heh
# [04:09] <derf> I was damn glad I wasn't paying for that.
# [04:09] <@khuey> at UF, my tuition was less than 3k/semester
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# [04:09] <mcpherrin> went UP by $3k? That's like, my whole tuition
# [04:09] <derf> mcpherrin: Yes, exactly.
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# [04:10] <mcpherrin> Actually my tuition is like $4.5k / semester but still :P
# [04:10] <derf> It wasn't that far from my whole tuition there at the start, either.
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# [04:15] <JonathanS> def, my community college tution increased by 6%
# [04:16] <mwu> khuey: was your scholarship fixed?
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# [04:17] <mwu> I had a full scholarship but the tuition kept increasing every year so it wasn't entirely free after the first year since the scholarship never adjusted to match
# [04:18] <JonathanS> mwu, it is a big scam
# [04:18] <@khuey> mwu: well, it wasn't fixed when it was awarded
# [04:18] <@khuey> mwu: and then halfway through the legislature changed the rules
# [04:18] <mwu> hah
# [04:18] <mwu> well played.
# [04:18] <@khuey> and fixed the scholarship at the amount of tuition during the year I started
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# [04:25] <JonathanS> khuey|away, "Universities have said increased tuition flexibility will help them increase the output of students with degrees in science, technology, engineering and math" irony
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# [04:29] <RyanVM> wow, I picked a heckuva a day to not read planet yesterday
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# [04:30] <JonathanS> RyanVM, Political Planet
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# [04:33] <mwu> I didn't even notice that post until people pointed it out
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# [04:34] <mwu> I probably just blasted by it while skipping some other post
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# [04:36] <cpearce> tn: ping
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# [04:39] <@bz_away> njn: seriously "new ipad"?
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# [04:39] <@bz_away> njn: I can't see how that scales to a year from now.... ;)
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# [04:39] <@bz> "newer ipad"
# [04:39] <@bz> "newest ipad"
# [04:40] <@bz> I guess they're ok for two more years....
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# [04:40] <tor> bz: same way it's worked for the imac for 10+ years - it's always an imac
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# [04:41] <njn> tor: sure, but it's rather confusing to change naming schemes midway
# [04:42] <njn> if apple is marketing iPads more like macs, maybe iPads will be allowed to have non apple-store apps soon!
# [04:42] * njn can wish
# [04:43] <RyanVM> nah, macs will just be appstore-only eventually
# [04:43] <gps> I finally managed to capture bug 720679 in the visual studio debugger. but, I don't know what to do now besides note the version and create a minidump. anyone have suggestions?
# [04:43] * njn hopes RyanVM is wrong
# [04:44] * RyanVM hopes so too
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# [04:44] <@bz> tor: fair
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# [04:44] * njn wonders if, in that case, he could justify to himself buying a Mac laptop and then running another OS on it
# [04:44] <njn> probably not
# [04:44] <JonathanS> RyanVM, how that effect Download any dmg from web browser?
# [04:45] <njn> apple'd still be getting my money
# [04:45] * @bz mutters about this year's pwn2own rules
# [04:45] <@bz> "The first day of #pwn2own was great, we pwned all browsers: Chrome with 0day, Firefox/IE/Safari with CVEs."
# [04:45] <@bz> that's just dumb
# [04:45] <@bz> imho
# [04:45] <tn> cpearce, pong
# [04:45] <@bz> Or more precisely... I wouldn't exactly call that second part "pwn"
# [04:46] <gavin> heh yeah
# [04:46] <JonathanS> ah twitter
# [04:46] <@bz> I wonder whether reporters will pick up on this
# [04:46] <@bz> or whether they'll report all the browsers as being pwned.....
# [04:46] <cpearce> tn: so I'm trying to re-get rootViewParent and rootViewSibling in RestoreFromHistory(), but I'm having trouble.
# [04:47] <cpearce> tn: I've got the parent content now, but I get the same (out of date) views when I reget them from the content's subdocframe, so the crash still happens.
# [04:47] <tn> cpearce, your weak views patch was perfectly fine btw, i just posted that last comment to clarify
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# [04:48] <cpearce> ah
# [04:48] <derf> bz: You actually wonder that?
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# [04:48] <cpearce> tn: still, I'm curious, how did you envisage re-getting the views from the parent frame?
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# [04:50] <tn> cpearce, the frame still exists and has stale view pointers? that's surprising
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# [04:51] <RyanVM> bz: "VUPEN will sell the rights to one of the zero-day vulnerabilities but the company says it won’t give up the sandbox escape. 'We are keeping that private, keeping it for our customers.'"
# [04:51] <RyanVM> lame
# [04:51] <@bz> RyanVM: hey, that's the new rules for this year!
# [04:51] <RyanVM> yeah, still lame
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# [04:53] <cpearce> tn: yeah, well I'm queryFrame'ing content->GetPrimaryFrame() to nsSubDocFrame, calling GetSubdocumetRootFrame()->GetView()->GetViewMananger()->GetRootView() and using that root to reget the rootParent and rootSibling. and yeah, that results in rootViewParent and rootViewSibling not changing in the crashing testcase.
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# [04:54] <tn> cpearce, can i see your patch in full?
# [04:54] <tn> cpearce, pastebin or some such
# [04:54] <tn> RyanVM, whats this about?
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# [04:55] <RyanVM> tn: pwn2own
# [04:55] <ewong> wrt bug #729752, why is this a recent issue? Can someone clarify this?
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# [04:55] <tn> RyanVM, do you have a link with the info?
# [04:55] <ewong> as I don't understand it...
# [04:55] <RyanVM> tn: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security
# [04:55] <RyanVM> tn: the article about chrome
# [04:55] <@bz> ewong: what about it?
# [04:56] <@bz> ewong: what happened is that we used to have .py files in the srcdir
# [04:56] <@bz> ewong: we changed them to be generated at buildtime in the objdir
# [04:56] <cpearce> tn: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1508099
# [04:56] <@bz> ewong: this broke non-clobber builds, because python had dumped .pyc files in the srcdir
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# [04:57] <cpearce> tn: I'd expect the assertions at lines 94 and 105 to fail if the views weren't stale, but they never fail.
# [04:57] <@bz> ewong: and in general, the fact that using .py in srcdir means that a build modifies the srcdir is just broken, imo
# [04:57] <@bz> ewong: sadly, python seems to not have a way to not be thus broken
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# [04:58] <jrmuizel> ehsan: ping
# [04:58] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: hey
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# [04:59] <jrmuizel> ehsan: I was looking at implementing offsetX/offsetY and was wondering about some things
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# [04:59] <@ehsan> ok
# [04:59] <jrmuizel> ehsan: there's an old patch on the bug that does:
# [04:59] <jrmuizel> nsIFrame* targetFrame = mPresContext->EventStateManager()->GetEventTarget();
# [04:59] <jrmuizel> + nsPoint pt(nsLayoutUtils::GetEventCoordinatesRelativeTo(mEvent, targetFrame));
# [05:00] <jrmuizel> however this doesn't seem correct
# [05:00] <ewong> bz, ok. is there a mdn doc on this? .py files are generated at buildtime in objdir. but the .pyc files are still in the srcdir..
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# [05:00] <@ehsan> that should give you coords relative to the target frame, which is not what you want
# [05:00] <jrmuizel> ehsan: right
# [05:00] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: what is offsetX supposed to return exactly?
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# [05:00] <jrmuizel> I want relative to the target node
# [05:01] <@bz> ewong: mdn doc on what?
# [05:01] <@ehsan> really?
# [05:01] <@bz> ewong: again, in one case .py files used to be in the srcdir but then a checkin moved them to the objdir
# [05:01] <jrmuizel> ehsan: http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/w3c_cssom.html
# [05:01] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: what does the spec say?
# [05:02] <jrmuizel> relative to the top/left of the padding box
# [05:02] <ewong> bz ok. thanks for the clarifications..
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# [05:02] <jrmuizel> ehsan: The offsetX attribute must return the x-coordinate of the position where the event occurred relative to the origin of the padding edge of the target node.
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# [05:02] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: that's not the spec ;)
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# [05:02] <@ehsan> have you checked the spec?
# [05:02] <jrmuizel> ehsan: the text I just quoted is from the spec
# [05:02] <@bz> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/cssom-view/raw-file/tip/Overview.html/#dom-mouseevent-offsetx
# [05:02] <@bz> Is the spec
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# [05:03] <@ehsan> ok
# [05:03] <@bz> and says what jrmuizel said
# [05:03] <jrmuizel> http://www.w3.org/TR/cssom-view/#dom-mouseevent-offsetx
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# [05:03] <@bz> jrmuizel: don't look at TR; it's out of date
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# [05:03] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: what does GetEventCoordinatesRelativeTo return?
# [05:03] <@bz> jrmuizel: seems to not matter in this case, though
# [05:03] <@ehsan> does it use the padding box?
# [05:03] <@bz> GetEventCoordinatesRelativeTo uses the border box
# [05:03] <@ehsan> right
# [05:03] <@ehsan> there's the bug
# [05:03] <@bz> aka "frame coordinates"
# [05:03] <@bz> so you'd want to adjust by GetUsedBorder, presumably
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# [05:03] <@ehsan> sounds right to me
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# [05:04] <jrmuizel> ok, so the next question is how do I get the right frame
# [05:04] <@ehsan> bz: btw, just so you know, I'm implementing the CSS4 selector subjects :)
# [05:04] <@bz> ehsan: yowza
# [05:04] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: the right frame being?
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# [05:04] <@bz> ehsan: I look forward to seeing how you make it fast. ;)
# [05:04] <@ehsan> bz: I don't (initially ;)
# [05:05] <@bz> ehsan: ah. Well, that's the hard part.... ;)
# [05:05] <jrmuizel> ehsan: so the relation ship between nodes and frames isn't 1 to 1 correct?
# [05:05] <@ehsan> correct
# [05:05] <@ehsan> it's any to many ;)
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# [05:05] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: GetPrimaryFrame() returns the primary frame for the node
# [05:05] <@ehsan> which is probably what you care about
# [05:06] * @bz is double-checking that
# [05:06] <heycam> bz, qq: the values you get back from nsTextFrame GetContentOffset and GetContentLength, are they "skipped" or not?
# [05:06] <@bz> the spec is probably wrong here
# [05:06] <jrmuizel> ehsan: let me try that
# [05:06] <@bz> heycam: I don't think they are
# [05:06] <@bz> heycam: I think those are raw indices into the DOM text
# [05:06] <@ehsan> heycam: they're not
# [05:06] <@ehsan> yep
# [05:06] <heycam> bz, ehsan, k thx
# [05:06] <@bz> so the CSSOM spec here is broken
# [05:06] <@ehsan> who's qq?
# [05:06] <heycam> what's a good way to get content that would have different skipped indexes?
# [05:06] <heycam> (qq = quick question)
# [05:06] <@ehsan> hah
# [05:07] <@ehsan> thought it's a nick!
# [05:07] <heycam> heh
# [05:07] <@bz> Because CSS defines the concept of "padding edge" for _boxes_, not elements
# [05:07] <@bz> jrmuizel: use GetPrimaryFrame for now, but this needs a spec issue. Want me to raise one?
# [05:07] <jrmuizel> bz: please
# [05:07] <@bz> will do
# [05:07] <@bz> If you want to test interesting cases...
# [05:08] <heycam> ehsan, (I guess I could just check this but) does collapsable white space count as skipped characters?
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# [05:08] <@bz> Try testing a situation in which the node is an inline in an RTL block and the inline contains some RTL text, then a number, then some more RTL text
# [05:08] <@bz> I strongly suspect UA behavior will.. differ
# [05:08] <@ehsan> heycam: iirc
# [05:08] <@ehsan> yes
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# [05:08] <jrmuizel> bz: I'll give it a try
# [05:08] <heycam> ehsan, ok
# [05:09] <@ehsan> hey, so try <span>booooooo yaaaaaaaa!</span>
# [05:09] <@bz> oh, wait
# [05:09] <@bz> anne no longer edits this spec
# [05:09] <@bz> %^$%^%^^&%
# [05:09] * heycam is completely unsure whether he is getting his skipped and non-skipped indexes matching up properly, so will want to write some tests later on that do have skipped characters
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# [05:10] <@ehsan> heycam: what are you working on, out of curiosity?
# [05:10] <heycam> ehsan, SVG text
# [05:10] <@ehsan> nice
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# [05:11] <tn> cpearce, you'd expect them to fail if the pointers were or weren't stale?
# [05:12] <cpearce> tn: were not stale, e.g. the assertions fail if we get new views.
# [05:13] <cpearce> tn: I'm still retrieving the pointers to the free'd views. Perhaps we ought to be retrieving null in this case, I dunno.
# [05:13] <tn> cpearce, the root view of the subdocument is disconnected at that point, so its parent is null, and rootviewsibling is probably going to always be null in this case
# [05:14] <tn> cpearce, in other words i don't think what you are doing there is going to work
# [05:15] <tn> cpearce, i think you should get the inner view from the subdocument frame, that is your root view parent
# [05:16] <cpearce> tn: by calling nsSubDocumentFrame::EnsureInnerView() ?
# [05:17] <cpearce> tn: and what's the rootViewSibling in that case?
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# [05:18] <tn> cpearce, yeah EnsureInnerView, although i'm not sure if we want to force creation of it if it doesn't exist or not in this case
# [05:19] <tn> cpearce, rootViewSibling is the trickier part
# [05:20] <tn> cpearce, in the common case there is only one child there. the less common case is two children. not sure if other cases can happen
# [05:21] <jrmuizel> ehsan, bz: so nsEventStateManager::GetEventTarget() seems to sometimes call GetPrimaryFrameFor() http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/events/src/nsEventStateManager.cpp#4313
# [05:21] <tn> cpearce, the important thing is that if the old view was the first child we want the new view to be the first child
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# [05:21] <jrmuizel> but for example in this test case http://people.mozilla.com/~jmuizelaar/offset.html I get offsets relative to each line of text
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# [05:22] <jrmuizel> so it feels like I'm getting the wrong frame
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# [05:23] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: GetPrimaryFrame for that testcase will return the first text frame
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# [05:24] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: I bet the problem is somewhere else
# [05:24] <jrmuizel> ehsan: what do you mean the problem is somewhere else?
# [05:25] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: I mean you may be getting the right frame but something else might be going wrong
# [05:25] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: you can verify the frame you get in the debugger
# [05:25] <jrmuizel> ehsan: the layout debugger or gdb?
# [05:25] <@ehsan> gdb
# [05:26] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: look at the content offset of the frame you get
# [05:26] <@ehsan> the begin offset must be 0
# [05:26] <jrmuizel> ehsan: ok
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# [05:28] <jrmuizel> ehsan: unfortunately gdb just crashes
# [05:28] <@ehsan> bah
# [05:28] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: you can also log the pointer of the frame and use the layout debugger
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# [05:42] <cpearce> cadecairos: So if we fixed bug 517363 and removed preload="none" from the video in layout/reftests/ogg-video/poster-1.html, then that video's poster should render at 140x100, but keep its aspect ratio, e.g. would that be at 125x100 perhaps?
# [05:42] <RattyAway> 00:30 therube Work was done on Bug 535594 - Fix/Clean-up 'security.enable_java' preference references. if OK, maybe it could be put through? might entice this Pranav fellow to do more :-). (& also help to alleviate future bug reports that happen as a result of the existence of the Pref that the bug would remove.)
# [05:42] <RattyAway> there is no mentor= in the whiteboard. Who would be a suitable reviewer for this patch?
# [05:43] <cadecairos> cpearce: yeah, the aspect ratios will be preserved
# [05:43] <cadecairos> which... probably means the reftests i changed in 726904 will break again...
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# [05:44] <cpearce> cadecairos: If that's the case, I'm thinking we should land those two bugs together, else the posters will be displayed at an incorrect aspect ratio until we landed bug 517363.
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# [05:44] <cpearce> cadecairos: yeah ;)
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# [05:45] <cadecairos> yeah, sounds like a good idea.
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# [05:51] <Callek> glandium: ping
# [05:51] <Callek> glandium: its *looking* like SeaMonkey OSX and Win builds are *crashing* on packaging
# [05:51] <Callek> glandium: | e:/builds/slave/comm-cen-trunk-w32-dbg/build/objdir/mozilla/dist/bin/xpcshell.exe -g "$PWD" -a "$PWD" -f /e/builds/slave/comm-cen-trunk-w32-dbg/build/mozilla/toolkit/mozapps/installer/precompile_cache.js -e "populate_startupcache('GreD', 'omni.ja', 'startupCache.zip');"| seems to be the command thats crashing
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# [06:03] <RattyAway> Callek: I don't suppose you have a stack trace / crash stack?
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# [06:05] <Callek> RattyAway: from where I believe the command above started: http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1508148
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# [06:05] <Callek> this is the really really long command I just cited in another channel
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# [07:15] <hsivonen_> is there a mozilla-inbound analog for comm-central?
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# [07:22] <philor> hsivonen_: yeah, it's called comm-central ;)
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# [07:23] <philor> to the extent that inbound is the place where people just push and count on someone else noticing if they fail and dealing with it, that's pretty much the c-c way
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# [07:24] <philor> conveniently, that's now true of every single tree we have, simplifies thing
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# [07:31] <heycam> a spammer in bugzilla, what should I do about it?
# [07:31] <glob> heycam, tell me
# [07:31] <glob> or #bmo, or #bteam
# [07:31] <heycam> glob, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674370#c32
# [07:31] <heycam> heh #bteam
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# [07:33] <glob> heycam, account disabled; we get a lot of accounts from .in using bmo as a plaything
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# [07:33] <heycam> glob, thanks :)
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# [07:34] <philor> dunno, I was pretty amazed by finding https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7a8b935ab596, too
# [07:34] <nigelb> glob, heycam - I feel like we should do some sort of gaming or wresling match between #ateam and #bteam ;)
# [07:35] <glob> nigelb, but i'm in both :(
# [07:35] <glob> .. and #cteam
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# [07:35] <nigelb> .. there is a #cteam o_O
# [07:35] <jdm> ha!
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# [07:41] <philor> mbrubeck: I wish you wouldn't have to, but you'll probably have to know that bug 734005 exists
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# [07:42] <@bz> we get a lot of email from clueless people in .in too
# [07:42] <@bz> students who think the right way to learn to contribute to Mozilla is to ask questions about how to contribute
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# [07:43] <nigelb> As someone from .in, I'm sad and also not very surprised.
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# [07:44] <@bz_sleep> one thing to note...
# [07:44] <@bz_sleep> I'm not claiming the number of such mail from .in is disproportionate to population
# [07:44] <philor> grr. fx-team has two orange fixes I really very much want, and, what, five, maybe six unfiled new oranges
# [07:45] <@bz_sleep> it hasn't obviously been so
# [07:45] <glob> i suspect there's bugzilla training in .in which has course notes pointing students to bmo
# [07:45] <@bz_sleep> certainly not if you restrict to places where English is spoken (e.g. exclude China)
# [07:45] * @bz_sleep has not gotten much mail from people in China
# [07:46] <nigelb> ah, yes, good point.
# [07:46] <nigelb> Second highest english-speaking country in the world is India. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population)
# [07:47] <@bz_sleep> so at that point, all else being equal, we should expect 70+% of clueless mail (and in fact of all mail) from .in
# [07:47] <@bz_sleep> nigelb: huh
# [07:47] <nigelb> heh
# [07:47] <@bz_sleep> nigelb: the India number in that Wikipedia article seems low
# [07:48] <aja> anyone know of good way to see http headers these days?
# [07:48] <nigelb> bz_sleep: 1.1 billion sounds high enough.
# [07:48] <@bz_sleep> nigelb: I'm not sure how they distinguish non-first-language "speakers" from "users" there
# [07:48] <@bz_sleep> nigelb: wiki is claiming only 11.38% of those are "English speakers"
# [07:48] <@bz_sleep> nigelb: which seems suspect
# [07:49] <glob> aja, web console
# [07:49] <aja> oh?
# [07:49] <@bz_sleep> nigelb: unless they mean "as a first language" for India...
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# [07:49] <nigelb> that's not that big
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# [07:49] <nigelb> the first langauge group shold be small
# [07:49] <@bz_sleep> ok
# [07:50] <nigelb> But I'm not surprised by 11.38%
# [07:50] <@bz_sleep> I would expect that too
# [07:50] <@bz_sleep> huh
# [07:50] <@bz_sleep> I thought English was more commonly spoken than that
# [07:50] <nigelb> Well, it is in the bigger cities.
# [07:50] <@bz_sleep> but my knowledge of the situation in India is decidedly secondhand at best
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# [07:50] <@bz_sleep> ah, ok
# [07:50] <@bz_sleep> makes sense
# [07:50] <nigelb> Less so, when you move more rural. Also depends on State
# [07:51] <aja> glob: will have another look....didn't notice anything when i looked a few nites ago
# [07:51] <nigelb> glob: console does headers now? woah.
# [07:51] * nigelb tries.
# [07:51] <nigelb> ah yes
# [07:52] <nigelb> Neat!
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# [07:53] <glob> aja, http://i.imgur.com/S3UiP.png
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# [07:54] <aja> blog: just seeing request/response type & error codes...no actual headers
# [07:54] <aja> looking
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# [07:54] <glob> heh, blog :)
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# [07:58] <philor> ttaubert: since fx-team is completely broken and totally unmergeable, can we maybe just cherry-pick off the orange fixes?
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# [08:06] <aja> glob: tks....won't need Live HTTP Headers add-on anymore. think i mave have just figued out while i was seeing probs with offline appcaching
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# [08:08] <glandium> Callek: that just means xpcshell is crashing. means you have a serious problem
# [08:08] * aja wonders why it's been working in Chrome though. perhaps they ignore no-cache when there's a html manifest coded
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# [08:11] <mwu> huh, crash in storage during shutdown
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# [08:14] <ewong> glandium, mwu what's the first thing I should do to debug this? (I know..I'm not Callek, but I'm helping him with releng)
# [08:15] <mwu> repro locally, bisect?
# [08:17] <hsivonen_> philor: thanks. I'll push directly to c-c then
# [08:20] <glob> happy bmo update day everyone! https://bugzil.la/729558,732189,731850
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# [08:28] <Callek> glandium: I don't suppose you have any advice how to diagnose this crash/issue?
# [08:29] <glandium> Callek: what mwu said
# [08:29] <ttaubert> philor: I think I'm going to finally back the patch out that causes the problems to get fx-team in a mergeable state again
# [08:29] <Callek> glandium: ahh didn't realize he was responding to that... but NeilAway at least couldn't repro locally
# [08:29] <Callek> but sure, I'll try that :/
# [08:30] <Callek> glandium: thanks
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# [08:30] <Callek> glandium: oddly this is only debug not opt crashes
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# [08:30] <glandium> Callek: if you can't repro locally, you can also bisect through try. but that's going to take a long time
# [08:30] <mwu> plausible
# [08:30] <Callek> glandium: even more time since SeaMonkey itself doesn't do try, and Firefox isn't hitting the issue.
# [08:31] <Callek> we can sorta-fake-it with "TB Try" but thats a bit different
# [08:31] <Callek> worse case, I'll commendere a slave of SeaMonkeys :-)
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# [08:33] <philor> ttaubert: at least you can say that you're fixing bug 733853 with your backout :)
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# [08:36] <ttaubert> philor: yes that would be gone, weird thing
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# [08:38] <philor> sessionstore uses pretty much every about: URL that doesn't hit the network, so messing with any of them is always at risk of breaking sessionstore tests
# [08:39] <ttaubert> philor: but especially bug 733853 uses about:rights which we didn't touch at all
# [08:39] <ttaubert> but mabye that's just fallout from preceding tests
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# [08:41] <philor> another thing sessionstore tests do, sadly :(
# [08:41] <glandium> glob: ping
# [08:42] <glob> glandium, pong
# [08:43] <glandium> glob: there is something weird with inline history in bug 515232. between comment 7 and 8, the r+ change is given to gavin, while mail say it's bsmedberg who did it
# [08:43] * glob looks
# [08:43] <ttaubert> philor: backed out, will merge when we have some greens
# [08:43] <glandium> attachment status also says bsmedberg
# [08:43] <philor> yay
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# [08:46] <glob> glandium, do you know if it was correct before about 30 mins ago?
# [08:46] <glandium> glob: i don't
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# [08:49] <chewey> There's a nice linux command line tool that can be used to send traffic from programs that don't support a proxy through a proxy anyway, by having said tool invoke the program, like
# [08:50] <chewey> $ tool stupid_program etc...
# [08:50] <chewey> I can't remember the name of siad tool. Anyone know it?
# [08:50] <chewey> said
# [08:50] <glandium> chewey: tsocks?
# [08:51] <chewey> Mhhh, maybe. I seem to rmember that that one didn't work, but I'll try.
# [08:51] <chewey> Thanks.
# [08:51] <glandium> redsocks ?
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# [08:52] <glandium> (never tried that one)
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# [08:53] <chewey> glandium: Hooray! tsocks it was! Thanks!
# [08:54] * chewey writes that down now...
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# [09:00] <glazou> bonjour
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# [09:06] <darktrojan> bah, how do I make grep print only the non-matching lines?
# [09:06] <darktrojan> oh there it is
# [09:07] <darktrojan> I can never find this stuff until after I've made an ass of myself by asking
# [09:10] <glazou> grep -v
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# [09:12] <darktrojan> yeah, I know that now :P
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# [09:22] <nigelb> darktrojan: Murphy's law of finding things ;)
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# [09:26] <ewong> nigelb that always happens when I am stumped.. then I ask.. then I find the info without having seen the response..
# [09:27] <nigelb> ewong: Yeah. Happens to me with find, grep, and sed.
# [09:27] <nigelb> That all 3 commands have something to do with find makes it a funny irony.
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# [09:29] <glob> nigelb, 'ack' ftw
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# [09:29] <nigelb> *headdesk*, I just did apt-cache show ack
# [09:30] <nigelb> .... on a macbook.
# [09:30] <glob> http://betterthangrep.com/
# [09:31] <nigelb> wow.
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# [09:31] <glandium> nigelb: you mean on osx. because my macbook happily runs debian
# [09:31] <nigelb> glandium: Right. I've been itching to install Ubuntu or OS X on this.
# [09:31] <nigelb> bah
# [09:32] <nigelb> Ubuntu or Debian
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# [09:33] <glazou> reed: yt?
# [09:33] <reed> glazou: yep
# [09:33] <reed> glazou: what's up?
# [09:33] <glazou> reed: it's surprising how political correctness gains momentum everywhere
# [09:34] <reed> glazou: sure... not sure why you're telling me that, though :)
# [09:34] <glazou> your last blog entry
# [09:34] <reed> ah, you mean preed
# [09:34] <glazou> gah
# [09:34] <reed> we're different people :)
# [09:34] <glazou> pff :-) sorry
# [09:34] <reed> who both happen to be planet peers
# [09:35] <reed> he's on IRC... just /msg him if he's not in a mutual channel
# [09:35] <glandium> i really like how we're considering deep changes to what planet mozilla is for *one* blog post
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# [09:35] <nigelb> we are considering deep changes?
# [09:36] <glazou> it's planned to ban all technical stuf so we can fight more and better in public
# [09:36] <glazou> stuff even
# [09:36] <nigelb> lol
# [09:36] <darktrojan> :D
# [09:36] <glob> glandium, thanks for the quick heads-up about that inline-history issue; the fix has just been deployed
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# [09:36] <glandium> glob: awesome, thanks
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# [09:37] <reed> glazou: hopefully, if we can get the two major things done that we mentioned, most people should be appeased
# [09:37] <glazou> we had bad-attitude.mcom.com newsgroup long ago, maybe we need bad-attitude.mozilla.org :-D
# [09:38] <glandium> yeah, people who answered to gerv could go there
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# [09:39] <ewong> heh.. he's probably being pinged a lot these past few days...
# [09:39] <reed> it's a shame how much of the last two days has been wasted dealing with this mess
# [09:39] <glandium> seriously, i think his post was inappropriate, but that really didn't deserve the ensuing reaction
# [09:39] <reed> that goes for all four of the planet module members
# [09:40] <glazou> glandium: exactly
# [09:41] <glazou> I hope pmo peers will not make a confusion between political correctness and censorship imposed by hard lobbying
# [09:42] * glazou should try publishing a self-critic yiddish joke on his blog
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# [09:42] <nigelb> wow, that's a nice post from preed.
# [09:42] <glazou> yes
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# [09:43] <reed> lol @ https://twitter.com/#!/BRIAN_____/status/177673175210012672
# [09:44] <ewong> Oooh.. J Paul Reed = preed? I saw the title and thought it had something to do with Mozilla and ghostscript
# [09:44] <reed> yes, J. Paul Reed == preed
# [09:44] <glazou> reed: ROFL
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# [09:45] <ewong> err.. pardon my ignorance.. what's LGBTQ?
# [09:45] <reed> ewong: Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transsexual Questioning
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# [09:45] <glazou> reed: I really don't like this acronym
# [09:45] <ewong> Ooooh.. now if you hadn't told me.. I wouldn't have guessed that.
# [09:46] <reed> glazou: you'd prefer GLBTQQIAA?
# [09:46] <reed> which cracks me up
# [09:46] <reed> I just learned that one the other day
# [09:46] <ewong> should I even ask what that is?
# [09:46] <glazou> no, I don't like acronyms and I don't like flags, that's all
# [09:46] <reed> ewong: "Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Questioning,. Intersex, Asexual, and Allied"
# [09:46] <nigelb> haha
# [09:46] <ewong> o_O
# [09:46] <glazou> reed: they should just write !hetero :-)
# [09:46] <glandium> i keep reading "queer" around the reactions to gerv's post. isn't that a pejorative term?
# [09:47] <darktrojan> glazou++
# [09:47] <nigelb> glandium: I beleive its the older word for what is now conveyed by "gay".
# [09:47] <nigelb> I'd assume its offensive or at least used to be.
# [09:48] <nigelb> glazou: I like that.
# [09:48] <aja> "get used to it"
# [09:48] <glazou> this is another example of political correctness
# [09:48] <glandium> nigelb: yeah to my non-native ears, it seemed to be like the n word
# [09:48] <Asa> glandium: "queer" has been apprpriated and is OK if you're using it in a positive way
# [09:48] <glazou> slang is a language
# [09:48] <ewong> err.. how is pmo a 'news source'?
# [09:48] <ewong> oh Mozilla news source...
# [09:48] <ewong> nvm
# [09:49] <glazou> glandium: remember that in tge french west indies, that n word is perfectly accepted by many intellectuals
# [09:49] <glazou> s/tge/the
# [09:49] <glazou> they even request it
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# [09:50] <glazou> banning a word is usually not for the word itself but for the symbol and for the PR it gives to the associated fight
# [09:50] <glazou> it has, in some occasions, historical background
# [09:50] <glazou> but not that often
# [09:51] <nigelb> glazou: Er, what's the n word?
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# [09:51] <glob> nigelb, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-word
# [09:52] <glazou> for instance, "one-armed" is in french "manchot" and it became politically incorrect
# [09:52] <ewong> glob thought so.
# [09:52] <glandium> glazou: manchot is politically incorrect ? first time i hear that
# [09:52] <glob> in australia isn't no where near as loaded as it is in the US
# [09:52] <glazou> but true
# [09:53] <glazou> there are a few strange taboos in the US, seen from a european's eyes
# [09:53] <glazou> for instance, people rarely tell their age
# [09:53] <glazou> it's extremely uncommon and people feel weird if you tell yours
# [09:53] <glazou> in corporate envrionment I mean
# [09:54] <glazou> here, nobody cares about that
# [09:54] <glandium> glazou: and the other way around works, too
# [09:54] <glazou> on another note, people in the US have no problem telling their ethnic origin, and that is more an issue here
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# [09:55] <glazou> I still remember tantek's reaction, long ago, when I told lmy age :-)
# [09:56] <reed> glazou: so, how old are you? ;)
# [09:56] <glandium> glazou: otoh, who cares about your age :)
# [09:56] <glandium> heh
# [09:56] <nigelb> Wait, are you old enough to shock people? ;)
# [09:56] <nigelb> Or young enough :P
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# [09:57] <darktrojan> he's 21
# [09:57] <glazou> unfortunately old enough I could be the father of some people here :-D
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# [09:57] <gcp> you're 30?
# [09:57] <nigelb> I keep getting gasps from people when I tell them how old I am. Everyone expects me to be much older.
# [09:57] <glazou> DON'T TELL THEIR FAMILIES :-)
# [09:57] <nigelb> haha
# [09:57] * glazou is 45
# [09:58] * aja finds "older than dirt" works for me
# [09:58] * kwierso is too old to be up at almost 3am...
# [09:58] <aja> glazou: you're still a youngster
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# [09:58] <glazou> yeah, well, not what my kids say
# [09:59] <gcp> they're biased
# [09:59] <glazou> not sure they'll accept that argument easily :-D
# [10:02] <darktrojan> what? you mean you can't retire at 40 in this industry?
# [10:02] <darktrojan> :(
# [10:03] <glazou> 40... 40 years of coding you mean ? ;-)
# [10:04] <darktrojan> that's probably optimistic
# [10:04] <ewong> darktrojan: you can retire at 40 in this industry?
# [10:05] <glazou> you can retire when you made 40m$
# [10:05] <ewong> emphasis on the can
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# [10:05] <glazou> remind me to increase the price of my add-ons ;-)
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# [10:06] <ewong> glazou how do you get 40m$ in this industry?
# [10:06] <darktrojan> increase the price of your addons
# [10:06] <glazou> working early for a company that skyrockets
# [10:06] <darktrojan> and then get out once it has
# [10:07] <glazou> first HTML WG meeting I attended, most people around the table were multimillionaires
# [10:07] <glazou> thanks to stocks
# [10:07] <ewong> you'd first have to recognize a potential company.. and then be hired by that company.. and then to hope that company skyrockets and then know when to leave..
# [10:08] <ewong> glazou yes.. it's all thanks to Stocks.. not about the industry.. ;P
# [10:08] <glazou> ewong: because you don't think Angry Birds helped Humanity reach a New Age ? khh, khh, khh :-)
# [10:09] <glandium> glazou: if you don't have 40m$ at 40, you missed your life ;)
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# [10:09] <glazou> glandium: reminds me of something/someone ;-)
# [10:09] <ewong> oh.. Angry birds...
# [10:09] <glandium> glazou: pun intended, obviously :)
# [10:10] <glazou> a while ago, a company selling a facebook app allowing to throw virtual vegetables to friends' face raised 4m$
# [10:10] <glazou> found it incredible
# [10:10] <glazou> glandium: eheh
# [10:10] <ewong> glazou the company's name is RIO right?
# [10:10] <glazou> I think so yes
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# [10:10] <glandium> glazou: we're almost back 10 years ago
# [10:11] <ewong> raised 4m$ with an app such as that? ;/
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# [10:11] <glazou> yes
# [10:11] <glazou> 3.2m€ IIRC
# [10:12] <darktrojan> SUPER POKE
# [10:12] <darktrojan> ahem
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# [10:15] <ewong> is anyone here a millionaire?
# [10:16] <glazou> warning, we don't all use same currency ;-)
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# [10:16] <aja> in lira?
# [10:16] <darktrojan> I'm not even a thousandaire at the moment
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# [10:17] <glandium> I'm a multibillionaire
# [10:17] <glandium> in bytes
# [10:18] <glazou> glandium: how would you translate "traîner dans la boue"?
# [10:19] <glandium> glazou: i think there's an almost literal translation with mud, but i don't have the corresponding verb in mind
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# [10:20] <glandium> glazou: drag through the mud
# [10:21] <glazou> thx
# [10:21] <ewong> in USD
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# [10:22] <glazou> ubuntu ?
# [10:22] <darktrojan> yeah
# [10:22] <glazou> I hate it
# [10:22] <darktrojan> it has issues
# [10:22] <glazou> that's the least you can say :-)
# [10:23] <darktrojan> if 12.04 isn't much better I'm moving
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# [10:25] <NeilAway> glandium: lol
# [10:25] <glandium> NeilAway: ?
# [10:25] <NeilAway> glandium: "in bytes"
# [10:25] <glandium> heh
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# [11:33] <darktrojan> any other news from pwn2own other than chrome getting haxxed?
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# [11:36] <AutomatedTester> I havent seen anything
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# [11:36] <AutomatedTester> I wasnt aware that we got hacked last year
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# [11:42] <gcp_> one 0day (chrome), and a bunch of exploits for known CVEs
# [11:42] <gcp_> they announced that they would 0day every browser. but not sure if they'll do it if no competitors show up
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# [11:55] <NeilAway> darktrojan: xhtml today again! whohoo!
# [11:55] <darktrojan> I think I did too, didn't check if it was cached or not though
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# [11:56] <darktrojan> it'd be nice if someone who could fix it gave a damn
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# [12:05] <Asa> glazou: thanks for the kind words to the PMO team. It's been a less than pleasant couple of days.
# [12:06] <glazou> I understand that perfectly
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# [12:09] <Asa> That being said, I also sympathize with those who were hurt by what they read from Gerv and I think their pain is legitimate. Gerv's words weren't malicious but just as we all have our views and opinions, so do we all have our own reactions to the views of others and for some, the reaction can be very unpleasant.
# [12:10] <Asa> I don't think bashing gerv or his religion are appropriate responses and I don't think changing fundamental aspects of Planet is the right fix for the occasional controversial post.
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# [12:10] <glazou> I understand their feeling, I cannot accept their violent words
# [12:11] <Asa> yeah. that's basically where I think I am.
# [12:11] <glazou> and I don't think pmo should change in _any_ way
# [12:12] <Asa> there's a movement -- I suspect coming mostly from people who don't really understand opens source communities, to make Planet a "work related content only" forum, to strip out any content that might help us get to know eachother better and enjoy our community more if it isn't focused on someones job on the project.
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# [12:13] <AutomatedTester> Asa: please make sure that doesnt happen
# [12:13] <Asa> after the Planet team said they did not want to make that change, the group said they will take it to the governance newsgroup to try to force the change.
# [12:13] <chewey> Actually, my impression overall - regardless of the opinions express - is that people were pretty civil to each other over this "affair". Honest, blunt sometines, but still civil.
# [12:14] <chewey> I think that reflects well on our community.
# [12:14] <Asa> so if you like the diversity of content on Planet, please visit m.governance and say so on the Planet threads there
# [12:14] <Asa> chewey: I don't think it's civil to accuse your colleagues of hate speech for expressing fairly mainstream Christian views.
# [12:14] * chewey sorts his fingers
# [12:14] <glazou> will do
# [12:14] <chewey> Asa: Uhhh, ok, apparently I missed that part.
# [12:15] <glazou> Asa: you can remove 'christian" from that sentence
# [12:15] <glazou> any view
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# [12:15] <glazou> chewey: http://www.glazman.org/weblog/dotclear/index.php?post/2012/03/07/Shocked
# [12:15] <Asa> chewey: yeah. that's been the basis of many of the complaints -- that Gerv's post was "hate speech" and can not be tolerated in the Mozilla community.
# [12:16] <smontagu> glazou: I think you went a bit too far now.
# [12:16] <Asa> I am confident that mostly only the people who are trying to change planet will show up to the m.governance newsgroup and it will look like they are a majority opinion.
# [12:16] <smontagu> if there had been genuine hate speech it would have been legitimate to call the speaker on it
# [12:16] <AutomatedTester> Asa: is there a link
# [12:16] <AutomatedTester> to the newsgroup
# [12:16] <Asa> that's how it always works. the people who are content with something don't know that something is being debated somewhere and the people that want to tear it down or change it are all mobilized
# [12:17] <darktrojan> smontagu, he's still talking about mainstream views, just not necessarily christian ones
# [12:17] <Asa> AutomatedTester: one sec.
# [12:17] <smontagu> darktrojan: I specifically meant "<glazou> any view"
# [12:17] <darktrojan> oh
# [12:18] <AutomatedTester> the little I know of Gerv, the last thought that would cross my mind is hate speech, (P.s. Sorry to be talking about you Gerv :))
# [12:18] <Asa> AutomatedTester: this is the current best thread on the topic but there will be more tomorrow (later today) http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.governance/browse_thread/thread/85e4688642f95367/a39ef9555633f51f
# [12:18] <gcp_> "fairly mainstream view" doesn't exclude it being hate speech, that's a weak argument
# [12:18] <glazou> smontagu: I'm just saying that replying "this is hate" to non-hate mainstream views is too much (nothing to do with religion)
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# [12:19] <smontagu> glazou: as long as you say "non-hate" views I am with you all the way
# [12:19] <glazou> that was implicit, sorry
# [12:19] <glazou> I understand your reaction :-)
# [12:19] <glazou> agreed
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# [12:20] <glazou> Asa: the "Mozilla planet" thread in m.governance ?
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# [12:20] <smontagu> there *are* red lines, e.g. if someone blogged that emacs users are idiots
# [12:20] <chewey> glazou: JFTR, and just for semantics' sake: Even mainstream views can be hate (enough examples in history for that) - so mainstream or not has nothing to do with it.
# [12:20] <Asa> glazou: no, the "let's rename planet" thread
# [12:20] <glazou> ok
# [12:21] <glazou> wow, *15* messages, that's a floooood :-)
# [12:21] <Asa> there are also private email discussions about killing Planet completely
# [12:21] <Asa> I of course am opposed to that.
# [12:22] <Asa> unless Planet is turned into some sterile boring work-only thing.
# [12:22] <glandium> that one is interesting too http://monogatari.doukut.su/2012/03/dissent.html
# [12:22] <Asa> then I might recommend just putting it out of its misery.
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# [12:23] <AutomatedTester> my opinion is if they close planet over this its just another form of censorship
# [12:23] <derf> Asa: I mean, I haven't checked pmo since the original post, because I got shit to do, but I assume there was a heated and vocal reaction to it, with a lot of people saying this kind of thing is not okay in our community, right?
# [12:24] <AutomatedTester> The Open Web,( but only for some people)
# [12:24] <Asa> glandium: yeah that one was intersting he was commenting at http://tim.dreamwidth.org/1735113.html when his posts got deleted
# [12:25] <Asa> derf: most of them were not saying "that's not OK so stop, remove, apologize, etc." most were saying "planet must be edited because we cannot allow this."
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# [12:25] <derf> Well, that's kind of sad. I was going to decalre "the system worked".
# [12:26] <derf> But maybe it didn't.
# [12:26] <Asa> I agree with many who thing Gerv's views suck and that they didn't belong on planet. I disagree that because every year or so an offensive post shows up on Planet that we need an editoria regime deciding what is and isn't acceptible.
# [12:27] <Asa> derf: it didn't. the most upset people are planning, as I understand it, to try to get Mitchell to force the Planet Module Owner to change the Planet mission and how it's operated.
# [12:27] <Asa> that will be happening in mozilla.governance later today I believe.
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# [12:29] <gcp_> what's the controversy of limiting it to work related posts?
# [12:29] <KaiRo> Asa: actually, I'm also disatisfied with planet, but I like a lot what you guys are doing - what I dislike is that there's _too little_ non-work stuff on there - and of course that in those last days people tried to shoot down other people's views in the name of "openness" though that's exactly the opposite of openness
# [12:29] <gcp_> I mean, what's the argument against this? We're 600 people. I'm not interested in all of your personal lives. I can find the personal blogs where I do.
# [12:30] <derf> I thought pmo covered a lot larger group than just the 600ish employees.
# [12:30] <Asa> gcp_: Planet's mission is to help the Mozilla community get to know one another.
# [12:30] <KaiRo> gcp_: we are way more than 600 people, this is the Mozilla community, not those few of us who are paid to support it
# [12:30] <Asa> derf: it is a larger group with fewer participants
# [12:31] <Asa> gcp_: if you would like status reports on Mozilla work, feel free to invent and support a system with that mission.
# [12:32] <Asa> but that is not why the Module Owner (me back then) and Peers (including the current Module Owner) built this planet.
# [12:32] <gcp_> ok, do we *have* a work-related blog?
# [12:32] <gcp_> blog.mozilla.com sure ain't
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# [12:32] <derf> Asa: You built this planet on rock and roll.
# [12:33] <Asa> gcp_: lots of them. the Planet team has just created one you might like http://planet.mozilla.org/projects/
# [12:33] <glazou> Asa: done
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# [12:33] <KaiRo> derf: yay, rock and roll, baby!
# [12:34] <Asa> gcp_: and the Planet team will create another one before too long that tries to cull the "just work" stuff from the larger primary planet for those of you who don't really care about getting to know all of your colleagues ;)
# [12:34] <glazou> KaiRo: warning
# [12:34] <gcp_> "there's more than 600 of us" is an argument in favor of my position, I'd think :P
# [12:34] <glazou> KaiRo: our european definition of openness
# [12:34] <glazou> not the same in US
# [12:34] <Asa> glazou: this needs more comments too http://robert.ocallahan.org/2012/03/requiring-planet-mozilla-content-to-be.html
# [12:34] <Asa> and this http://www.owlfolio.org/administrivia/what-goes-on-planet-mozilla-a-survey
# [12:34] <glazou> I'll see roc in paris tomorrow
# [12:35] <glazou> we'll discuss it
# [12:35] <Asa> andthis http://blog.mozilla.com/tglek/2012/03/07/planet-should-be-technical/
# [12:35] <gcp_> I agree with those positions.
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# [12:35] <gcp_> It's also how this was explained to me.
# [12:36] <Asa> KaiRo: we are removing the robot posts of status updates and putting them in http://planet.mozilla.org/projects/ that should help a lot to making it feel more about People I think
# [12:36] <Asa> gcp_: what was explained to you and by whom?
# [12:37] <gcp_> iirc, my manager told me something like "I'd encourage you to blog about your work. Ask that they add it to planet mozilla."
# [12:37] <gcp_> I see this stance echoed in taras and rocs position.
# [12:37] <Asa> gcp_: yes. But they were wrong if they told you that you should only blog about work.
# [12:37] <Asa> I have no problem with work content showing up on Planet :)
# [12:38] <Asa> You all should go read Planet Gnome for a week or two -- see what I'm trying to build here.
# [12:38] <gcp_> I make a split between work and personal life. I wouldn't ever have done that. (Anyway, I just tag "mozilla" to my blog posts that should show up)
# [12:38] <KaiRo> Asa: thanks, I have since subscribed to both those feeds - unfortunately I don't get to blog myself more than personal status updates recently (want to change that)
# [12:38] <Asa> a nice mix of work and play that helps us all get to know eachother like a real community and not just a bunch of co-workers
# [12:39] <Asa> gcp_: you're of course free to do that, just as I'm free to also post about my awesome vacation in Fiji :)
# [12:39] <gcp_> Sure. But aggregating >600 people's personal blogs?
# [12:39] <KaiRo> (but even those personal status updates contain stuff that is outside my paid work, and comments on what's going on)
# [12:39] <Asa> gcp_: not every employee at Mozilla blogs.
# [12:39] <Asa> and lots of not-employees blog
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# [12:40] <KaiRo> gcp_: I'm all for aggregating hundreds of personal blogs - feeds are there for being able to ignore stuff easily
# [12:40] <gcp_> Sure. In any case, I'd say there is a sizable amount of people that would want work-only blogging, and quite a few are certainly asssuming planet was just that.
# [12:40] <Asa> right now it's less than 600 people and only about 1/3rd of them blog regularly and only about 1/20th blog daily.
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# [12:41] <Asa> gcp_: I will try to correct their assumptions :-)
# [12:41] <Asa> gcp_: do you use twitter?
# [12:41] <KaiRo> we could create a workplanet.m.o in addition and aggregate only work-related stuff there ;-)
# [12:41] <gcp_> yes
# [12:41] <Asa> gcp_: how many people do you follow there?
# [12:41] <gcp_> 55
# [12:42] * smontagu is gobsmacked to learn that people complain about roc's email signature quotes
# [12:42] <Asa> gcp_: I'm gonna guess that you get more tweets per day than we get blogs at Planet per day.
# [12:42] <gcp_> sure. but I decided whom to follow.
# [12:42] <KaiRo> Asa: ah, I like the twitter comparison, as it's _people_ that are followed there, not topics :)
# [12:42] <gcp_> not so with an aggregating blog
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# [12:43] <Asa> smontagu: every time "controversial content" comes up people complain about Gerv, ROC, and bsmedberg's christian content
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# [12:43] <Asa> KaiRo: indeed. It's about people. You want topics, that's not what I offer.
# [12:43] <glazou> I don't like reading christian stuff so I don't read it, period
# [12:44] <KaiRo> Asa: thank you for that
# [12:44] <Asa> glazou: but you don't want it blocked, right?
# [12:45] <Asa> gcp_: you can follow which ever individuals at Planet you want to. We provide direct feed links for all of them, as well as FOAF and OPML lists and if you follow our Planet Team blog, you will get updates every time we add new people saying what they work on.
# [12:45] <smontagu> asa: complaining about email signatures is a whole different level from complaining about posts
# [12:45] <gcp_> Asa: that's what I think is the best alternative. But it makes it harder to find new contributors.
# [12:45] <glazou> Asa: never, why would I want that? I respect their opinion, I just don't read it
# [12:46] <Asa> smontagu: I don't think so. Gerv posts something overtly christian a few times a year. Roc's signature shows up many times a day. People who are offended by christian content see Roc's a lot more
# [12:48] <glazou> "Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage." -- Winston Churchill
# [12:49] <smontagu> Asa: what I find surprising is people who are so offended by christian content that they include a biblical verse in an email signature in what offends them
# [12:49] <smontagu> Winston Churchill++
# [12:50] <Asa> smontagu: it's the prosthelytizing they're offended by mostly
# [12:50] <glazou> or ""You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." -- John Morley
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# [12:51] <smontagu> Asa: that's a hysteron proteron. Their being offended includes labelling it as proselytizing
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# [12:51] <Asa> smontagu: well, when self-proclaimed evangelical christians spread christian content, it's reasonable to assume it's proselytizing
# [12:51] <Optimizer> Where can I ask doubts related to nsiFile ?
# [12:52] <smontagu> roc is an evangelical christian who never proselytizes, very unusual in my experience
# [12:52] <Asa> smontagu: he is not literally 'spreading gospel' when he puts gospel in his email signature?
# [12:52] <glazou> Optimizer: as you can see, this is not a tech channel any more today :-D
# [12:52] <smontagu> as a self-proclaimed believing and practising Jew, I have encountered it often
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# [12:53] <Optimizer> :D
# [12:53] <Optimizer> but i really need some help
# [12:53] <glazou> shoot
# [12:53] <Optimizer> shoot ?
# [12:53] <darktrojan> ask away
# [12:53] <smontagu> spreading gospel != proselytizing, but time to shut up if people want to talk tech stuff :)
# [12:53] <glazou> go ahead, what's your pb ?
# [12:54] <Optimizer> Services.io.newURI(url, null, null) .QueryInterface(Ci.nsIFileURL).file does not works for files starting from or inside a jar ?
# [12:54] <Optimizer> where url can be jar:file:///path/to/xpi.xpi!/path/to/file.extension
# [12:55] <Optimizer> or chrome://extension/content/filename.css
# [12:55] <Optimizer> but the file actually is inside an addon package, thus inside an xpi file
# [12:55] <Optimizer> as soon as I call the first line it gives me this error :
# [12:56] <Optimizer> http://mibpaste.com/vHhJim
# [12:57] <darktrojan> nsIFileURL won't work within a jar, no
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# [12:58] <darktrojan> what code are you trying to run?
# [12:58] <Optimizer> so how to get content of a file that I have packaged inside my xpi file
# [12:58] <Optimizer> I am trying to copy that file into user profiles folder
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# [12:58] <Optimizer> so file.copyTo(dest)
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# [12:58] <glazou> oh, argl, lunch time here
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# [12:59] <darktrojan> you'll have to read it from the jar and write it as a file
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# [12:59] <darktrojan> I'll see if I can find an example
# [12:59] <Optimizer> I can do that, but for reading i have to get a nsiFile reference to the path
# [12:59] <Optimizer> and the queryInterface is returning error with n_nsinterface
# [13:00] <darktrojan> you can get the contents by using the jar: url
# [13:00] <Asa> I should not be awake.
# [13:00] <Optimizer> from an js code ?
# [13:00] <Optimizer> a*
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# [13:01] <darktrojan> read this https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Code_snippets/File_I%2F%2FO#Reading_from_a_file
# [13:01] <glandium> Optimizer: is your need for released versions of mozilla, or for the future ?
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# [13:02] <Optimizer> the services.io.newURI("jar:file://path/to/xpi.xpi!/path/to/file").queryinterface(...) is not working
# [13:02] <Optimizer> future
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# [13:03] <darktrojan> there's no need to QI it, if you use the NetUtil.asyncFetch in the example I linked to, it accepts an nsIURI
# [13:04] <Optimizer> okay, that I know
# [13:04] <Optimizer> i just wanted to know a copy method
# [13:04] <Optimizer> if it exists
# [13:04] <glandium> Optimizer: it might be worth having a simplified api like the simplified api for files (bug 563742)
# [13:05] <glandium> Optimizer: try talking to yoric when he's around
# [13:05] <Optimizer> glandium: I didn't understand the use of the bug :(
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# [13:06] <glandium> Optimizer: it's for files, not arbitrary urls, but a similar api could be useful
# [13:06] <Optimizer> Even if that bug gets solved, nsiFile method would remain the same right ?
# [13:06] <darktrojan> oh, try this, Optimizer https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsIZipReader#extract%28%29
# [13:07] <darktrojan> you'll need to create a zipreader from your jar, but that's doable
# [13:07] <Optimizer> its for 10.0+
# [13:07] <Optimizer> I am targetting 8/0+
# [13:07] <Optimizer> 8.0
# [13:08] <darktrojan> that's a change in the arguments which doesn't affect js
# [13:09] <darktrojan> correct, glandium ?
# [13:09] <glandium> Optimizer: so it's not for future :)
# [13:09] <glandium> Optimizer: right
# [13:09] <Optimizer> it is for future, but i have to provide a fallback also
# [13:09] <Optimizer> :P
# [13:10] <glandium> Optimizer: for old versions, just get an input stream for the uri
# [13:10] <Optimizer> then why to use the ziploader longer method for newer versions ?
# [13:10] <Optimizer> is there any benefit ?
# [13:10] <glandium> fooling around with nsIZipReader is not a good idea, because you'll have to do a lot of manual work
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# [13:10] <Optimizer> hmm
# [13:10] <Optimizer> so i'll stick to reading content and writing them only
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# [13:11] <darktrojan> it's not that much work
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# [13:13] <Optimizer> darktrojan: doesn't asyncFetch also require the file object ?
# [13:13] <Optimizer> and not the nsiURI
# [13:14] <darktrojan> it takes a uri too, according to mdn
# [13:14] <Optimizer> where ?
# [13:14] <Optimizer> is it written ?
# [13:14] <darktrojan> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript_code_modules/NetUtil.jsm#asyncFetch%28%29
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# [13:15] <darktrojan> ooh, it even takes a string, I have a use for that
# [13:15] <Optimizer> nice
# [13:15] <Optimizer> thanks :)
# [13:15] <Optimizer> then I can drop the extra conversions of nsiURI to nsiFile to pass to asyncFetch :)
# [13:16] <Optimizer> thats a lot of line drops :P
# [13:17] <darktrojan> the smaller the code, the better it is!
# [13:17] <darktrojan> or something
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# [13:34] <mib_5rqz6h> when I use to compile the mozilla for the first time using make -f client.mk build ,it gives the error as http://pastebin.com/nxFTAuM4
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# [13:35] <derf> Your python install is broken. You should fix it.
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# [13:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0337458a08ba - Serge Gautherie - Bug 733730. (Av1) file_bug594730-4.html: s/is_not()/isnot()/. r=jonas.
# [13:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/26342266f309 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 731332. (Av1) importScripts_worker.js: Do not try to access the network. r=jst.
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# [13:44] <mib_5rqz6h> derf: How to do that
# [13:47] <mib_5rqz6h> derf: how to do fix that issue?
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# [13:52] <gcp_> mib_5rqz6h: your python being broken doesn't have anything to do with mozilla...but what distribution do you use?
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# [13:54] <NeilAway> oh, I guess you still need to asyncFetch it first
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# [14:18] <glandium> waw, xcode 4 comes with git
# [14:18] <glandium> i had missed that
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# [14:38] <bhearsum|buildduty> AutomatedTester: yeah
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# [14:55] <hsivonen_> do comments on the Planet blog have a moderation queue?
# [14:56] <hsivonen_> I tried posting a comment from Firefox and got a blank page
# [14:56] <hsivonen_> Then I posted a slightly improved version of the comment from Opera and got the blank page, too
# [14:56] <hsivonen_> upon trying to repost from Opera without edits, the system claimed the comment was a duplicate
# [14:57] <jwatt> hsivonen_: yes, it's moderated
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# [14:57] <hsivonen_> jwatt: ok. thanks
# [14:57] <hsivonen_> would be nice to get "your comment went into the queue" instead of a blank page
# [14:57] <jwatt> indeed
# [14:57] <hsivonen_> especially considering that other comments have appeared after I first tried to post the comment
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# [14:58] <jwatt> hsivonen_: if you go back to the blog post and refresh, you should see your comment with special highlighting noting that it is awaiting review
# [14:58] <jwatt> or at least I did
# [14:58] <hsivonen_> jwatt: I don't see that
# [14:58] <hsivonen_> neither in Firefox, nor in Opera
# [14:58] <jwatt> hmm, maybe I saw that on a different blog then
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# [15:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/668fbc214c2a - Ed Morley - Merge backout from inbound to mozilla-central
# [15:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/46477a0c58c6 - Cameron McCormack - Back out bug 725475 due to breaking scrolling on some machines
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# [15:08] <hsivonen_> strange. now Firefox shows both versions of my comment as waiting moderation
# [15:08] <hsivonen_> even though I posted the other one from Opera
# [15:08] <hsivonen_> does it work by IP number instead of cookie?
# [15:09] <hsivonen_> and why the delay? could not have been normal caching, since other comments appeared in the mean time
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# [15:10] <mak> edmorley: fyi I'm going to disable test_reloadLivemarks.xul on linux, and investigate it on Try
# [15:10] <mak> edmorley: there are 3 or 4 failures in inbound due to it
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# [15:10] <edmorley> mak: thank you :-)
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# [15:12] <hsivonen_> Asa: in case you moderate the comments on the planet blog, feel free to delete the first one of my two nearly-same comments
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# [15:15] <jwatt> hsivonen_: he's probably gone to bed by now - you probably need one of the non-US moderators (assuming there are any)
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# [15:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8219e6519190 - Olli Pettay - Backout Bug 704259, a=bustage
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# [15:58] <NeilAway> $mak =~ s/timeouts/times out/
# [15:58] <mak> NeilAway: thanks, I miss when sdwilsh corrected my english, please be my new teacher
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# [15:59] <NeilAway> mak: when your test times out, then you get timeouts ;-)
# [15:59] <mak> makes sense
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# [16:03] <hsivonen_> the planet blog's moderation feature is really strange
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# [16:03] <hsivonen_> now both my comments are gone again
# [16:04] <hsivonen_> (and I don't expect them to have been so crazy as to have been deleted by the moderator)
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# [16:08] <glazou> smontagu: דער זעלביקער פֿאַר דו
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# [16:10] <@ted> we should really get rid of the Toolkit product
# [16:10] <@ted> and just mash it into Core
# [16:11] <@bsmedberg> We should get rid of Toolkit and Core and just have Firefox
# [16:11] <@ted> possibly true
# [16:11] <@ted> but the Toolkit/Core split is the worst thing for me right now
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# [16:11] <smaug> to Core?
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# [16:12] <smaug> Firefox and Toolkit should be merged
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# [16:12] <Standard8> no
# [16:12] <Standard8> firefox and toolkit should not be merged
# [16:13] <@bsmedberg> damn, I found dead code
# [16:13] <@bsmedberg> which I thought I could rely on
# [16:13] <Standard8> Mobile & Thunderbird & other apps all use toolkit + core
# [16:13] <smaug> true
# [16:14] <Standard8> I'd agree from the user-perspective view
# [16:14] <Standard8> but only if the other apps could have the "toolkit" components shared into them as well
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# [16:25] <jesup> ted:! Congrats - all is well I assume?
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# [16:56] <@ted> everything's going great
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# [17:02] <bhearsum|buildduty> sheppy: ~5y later? ;)
# [17:02] <sheppy> bhearsum|buildduty: yeah, took me a while :)
# [17:02] <bhearsum|buildduty> hehe
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# [17:03] <sheppy> My workflow has always been <doubleclick> <swear> <force-quit Numbers> <swear> <drag icon to BBEdit>
# [17:03] <froydnj> you forgot the <swear for editing XUL> step
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# [17:04] <sheppy> froydnj: that seemed inherently obvious
# [17:04] <glazou> sheppy: lol
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# [17:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9ddf749edcf2 - Jeff Hammel - Bug 727903. Remove pageloader.xpi from talos_from_code.py. r=armenzg
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# [17:16] <mdas|Afk> reed / gavin: ping
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# [17:18] <jrmuizel> does http://people.mozilla.com/~jmuizelaar/cnn.html crash for anyone else on OS X nightly?
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# [17:19] <glazou> jrmuizel: WFM
# [17:20] <glazou> let me update
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# [17:21] <glazou> jrmuizel: yep, crashes ; did not crash 24hrs ago
# [17:22] <jrmuizel> glazou: mind filing a bug and ccing me?
# [17:22] <jrmuizel> I'm a bit busy right now
# [17:22] <glazou> filing a bug with what title ???
# [17:22] <glazou> I have no idea what's going on
# [17:22] <glazou> let me check the crash report
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# [17:25] <glazou> still sending
# [17:27] <jwir3> what does m.d.t. stand for?
# [17:28] <jwir3> (in mozilla parlance) :)
# [17:28] <@ted> mozilla.dev.tech
# [17:28] <jwir3> mailing lists?
# [17:28] <glazou> newsgroup
# [17:28] <jwir3> gotcha, thanks guys
# [17:29] <glazou> jrmuizel: it's yours: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bd338250-faa4-462c-a9a5-2e86b2120308
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# [17:35] <espindola> How do I compare two talos runs on try? Do we have a tool to show then side by side?
# [17:36] <espindola> them
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# [17:37] <froydnj> espindola: I think that's what the compare: checkboxes are for
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# [17:38] <espindola> froydnj: sorry, where are the boxes?
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# [17:39] <espindola> the two runs are
# [17:39] <espindola> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=1f8988ce003c
# [17:39] <espindola> and
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# [17:39] <espindola> gah, I think I found it
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# [17:43] <@ehsan> gerv: ping
# [17:44] <glandium> mounir: pong
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# [17:44] <mounir> glandium: do you have a few secs for some questions regarding packaging the js shell? (and not doing that)
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# [17:45] <glandium> mounir: sure
# [17:46] <mounir> glandium: I was wondering when we should package the js shell (because the patch makes it opt-in)
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# [17:46] <mounir> do we want to do that for nightly/release/debug builds only?
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# [17:46] <mounir> or should we include l10n?
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# [17:46] <glandium> mounir: l10n only does repack
# [17:47] <espindola> jprmc: do you agree with ehsan's r+ in bug 733905?
# [17:47] <mounir> glandium: what about qt and rpm builds?
# [17:47] <espindola> ehsan: are you ok with the talus results on that bug? This is the first time I am looking at them
# [17:47] <@ehsan> espindola: I was surprised that you asked jp for review :)
# [17:47] <espindola> so I don't know how relevant or noisy each one is
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# [17:48] <espindola> ehsan: I didn't thought jp would do the actual review
# [17:48] <espindola> but would know who should
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# [17:48] <glandium> mounir: i'd say you'd better ask someone who actually cares about the js shell packages. I'd say qt and rpm builds don't need it.
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# [17:48] <@ehsan> espindola: for comparing the talos numbers, we're going to need more than one old rev
# [17:49] <@ehsan> espindola: let me dig something up for you
# [17:49] <espindola> thanks
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# [17:51] <Pike> mounir, glandium : I think partner builds are repacks of a kind
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# [17:53] <@ehsan> espindola: I'm starting a bunch of new talos runs on your push, we should have results within a couple of hours
# [17:53] <jprmc> espindola: i was just asking the question to make sure we are considering the risk factor, if everyone else is happy with the switch now, then so am i
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# [17:57] <@ehsan> jprmc: espindola: I think waiting until the next migration might be a good idea, seems like we missed our window for 13 :.
# [17:57] <@ehsan> :/
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# [18:02] <reed> mdas: pong
# [18:03] <mdas> reed: hey there, I had a question about who can get commit access to the hg.mozilla.org/projects section. Is it just to LDAP holders?
# [18:04] <reed> you have to have an LDAP account to commit
# [18:04] <reed> even the automated bots have LDAP accounts
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# [18:05] <mdas> reed: precisely my reason for asking. I need this account for automation then, thanks!
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# [18:13] <gavin> mdas: pong
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# [18:15] <mdas> gavin: reed got back to me about my question, thanks!
# [18:16] <gavin> what was the question?
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# [18:16] <gavin> (want to make sure he got it right, he's often incorrect)
# [18:16] <mounir> glandium: is ted a person that might care about that? or should I ask a js guy?
# [18:16] <mdas> gavin: although, I do have a followup question. My original question was if only LDAP accounts get commit access to hg.mozilla.org/projects
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# [18:16] <glandium> mounir: better ask on #jsapi
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# [18:17] <mdas> gavin: but now I wanted to make sure, can I restrict commit access of an LDAP account to just *one* projects/ repo? I'm setting up some automation, and I want this machine to be able to push to only one repo under projects/
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# [18:17] <gavin> (just kidding about him often being incorrect, btw)
# [18:17] <mdas> hehe
# [18:17] <mdas> I figured :P
# [18:17] <gavin> mdas: not easily, no
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# [18:19] <mdas> gavin: what would be the problem? reed mentioned that there are already automation bots with LDAP accounts, so how are they managed?
# [18:20] <gavin> there's no problem creating an account for a bot to check stuff in
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# [18:20] <gavin> I was answering your question about restricting it to a given repo
# [18:20] <gavin> I mean, it's not impossible, obviously
# [18:20] <gavin> but it'd be more work for IT to create a special group, etc.
# [18:20] <gavin> doesn't seem like it's necessary, assuming you take the right precautions with your bot
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# [18:23] <mdas> gavin: my concern is if the machine gets compromised, then I don't want to allow commits to other repositories.
# [18:23] * Ms2ger shrugs
# [18:23] <Ms2ger> If my machine gets compromised, all hg repos are affected as well
# [18:24] <gavin> mdas: don't let your machine get compromised
# [18:24] <Ms2ger> And I reckon that's more likely than your bot
# [18:24] <mdas> yes but it does reduce the problem space
# [18:24] <mdas> lol
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# [18:33] <espindola> ehsan: another thing I am afraid of is not having the time for 14
# [18:33] <espindola> and I do consider it a higher risk to stays with such an old gcc
# [18:33] <espindola> stay
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# [18:33] <@ehsan> espindola: what do you mean not having time? we can land this on tuesday
# [18:34] <espindola> if we don't regress
# [18:34] <@ehsan> yeah
# [18:34] <@ehsan> well
# [18:34] <@ehsan> let's cross that bridge when we come to it :)
# [18:34] <espindola> if we have time
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# [19:12] <Cww> mccr8: so I've discovered an awesome way to bring Firefox to its knees. (28second GC times, 18second CC times)
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# [19:12] <mccr8> Cww: okay, great. I have a meeting now though.
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# [19:13] <vlad> Cww: file a bug!
# [19:13] <Cww> vlad: doing it!
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# [19:15] <Cww> smaug: ok
# [19:16] <Ms2ger> Hey, it's vlad!
# [19:16] <Ms2ger> Now I got someone to blame for the awful webgl code I've been fixing!
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# [19:29] <@ted> mounir: FWIW
# [19:29] <@ted> the JS guys were completely uninvolved in the "package the JS shell" stuff
# [19:29] <Ms2ger> ted, congratulations and stuff
# [19:29] <@ted> mounir: enable it for nightlies/hourlies
# [19:29] <@ted> and we should be fine
# [19:29] <@ted> Ms2ger: thx
# [19:30] <Ms2ger> ted, l10n? rpm? qt? :)
# [19:30] <mounir> ted: oh, I didn't knew that they were not involved
# [19:30] <mounir> Ms2ger--
# [19:30] <Ms2ger> mounir--
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# [19:30] <@ted> just the main platforms (mac/win/linux-gtk) should be fine
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# [19:30] <@ted> it's just a convenience for people doing JS stuff
# [19:30] <Ms2ger> Win64?
# [19:30] <@ted> h8u
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# [19:31] <mounir> ted: not mobile?
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# [19:33] <bhearsum|buildduty> bbondy: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711673 isn't an issue anymore, is it?
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# [19:39] <bhearsum|buildduty> cool
# [19:39] <bbondy> it was resolved at some point
# [19:39] <bhearsum|buildduty> yeah, we sign all the builds i think
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# [20:22] <jgriffin> ehsan: ping
# [20:23] <@ehsan> jgriffin: hi
# [20:23] <jgriffin> hey! did you set up https://github.com/mozilla/mozilla-central?
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# [20:24] <@ehsan> jgriffin: yes
# [20:24] <jgriffin> do you know why there havaen't been any merges to it from hg for the last 6 days?
# [20:24] <@khuey> because it's git, who wants to merge that?
# [20:24] <jgriffin> heh
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# [20:25] <@ehsan> jgriffin: I have a job which updates this, and I bet the hg repo underneath it is corrupted again :(
# [20:25] <jhammel> khuey++
# [20:25] <@ehsan> jgriffin: will fix it right now
# [20:25] <jgriffin> ehsan: cool thanks
# [20:25] <jgriffin> we use sit in some b2g automation
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# [20:25] <jgriffin> I'm not sure whether we should use that or https://github.com/doublec/mozilla-central, but the 'mozilla' repo seems more official :)
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# [20:26] <@ehsan> jgriffin: my repo has all of the history (including the CVS history)
# [20:26] <kwierso> ehsan: wasn't there also a thing where github disabled everyone's public keys until you re-verify them?
# [20:27] <@ehsan> doublec's does not
# [20:27] <jgriffin> wow, nice
# [20:27] <@ehsan> kwierso: I've fixed that
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# [20:35] <jlebar> ehsan, orly? Wow, that is very nice.
# [20:35] * jlebar will switch over.
# [20:35] <jlebar> ehsan, Are your cset numbers compatible with doublec's?
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# [20:36] <@ehsan> jlebar: no
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# [20:36] <@ehsan> jlebar: but you should be able to rebase
# [20:36] <dbradley> is there a debug break type statement for JavaScript that would cause a native debugger to break?
# [20:36] <jlebar> ehsan, Yes. But :(. There's apparently a way to import old history without changing commit numbers, amazingly enough.
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# [20:37] <@khuey> dbradley: you can use nsIDebug.assert
# [20:37] <@khuey> that's all we have :-/
# [20:37] <dbradley> Thanks
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# [20:37] <jlebar> Oh great. Wrong bug number in my push.
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# [20:37] <jlebar> I just can't win.
# [20:38] <jlebar> philor, Do we back out and re-land for wrong bug number?
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# [20:38] <philor> jlebar: we do, just do it in one push, both the backout and the relanding, and don't cancel the builds on the first push
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# [20:38] <@ehsan> jlebar: grafting
# [20:39] <@ehsan> jlebar: but you really dont wanna use that
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# [20:39] <@ehsan> jlebar: it's a one time cost, shouldn't be that hard
# [20:39] <jlebar> ehsan, rebasing is a one-time cost, you mean.
# [20:40] <@ehsan> jlebar: yep
# [20:40] <jlebar> ehsan, It's not a big deal, but, for example, the main b2g repo is based off doublec's repository.
# [20:40] <jlebar> ehsan, (I dunno what our automation does with the mozilla repo...)
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# [20:41] <jlebar> ehsan, If we wanted to switch b2g over to the mozilla repo, that would mean switching the submodule URL.
# [20:41] <jlebar> which means everyone would have to re-fetch all of m-c.
# [20:41] <@ehsan> jlebar: yes, but that should be easy
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# [20:42] <@ehsan> jlebar: yeah
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# [20:42] <jlebar> ehsan, Anyway, it would just be convenient if the commits lined up, if that's possible, is all.
# [20:42] <@ehsan> jlebar: well, if you want awesomeness, there's a cost to it ;)
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# [20:42] <@ehsan> jlebar: they're sha1s, so unless you know of a way to break the hashing function, no ;)
# [20:43] <jrmuizel> tn: ping
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# [20:44] <Waldo> well, I guess that's one way to deal with access control... http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/110114/trunk/Source/WebKit/chromium/src/WebCache.cpp
# [20:44] <Waldo> :-)
# [20:44] <Waldo> (the preexisting state, that is)
# [20:45] <@ehsan> Waldo: lol
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# [20:49] <Wes> Message: Remove #define private public from WebCache.cpp
# [20:49] <Wes> That is worth a chuckle :)
# [20:49] <Ms2ger> Waldo, yeah, that's not uncommon in WebKit
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# [20:49] <philor> wesj: and this is why it's better to back out and test bustage fixes on try rather than fix them live on inbound :(
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# [20:49] <JonathanS> Wes, private public?
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# [20:50] <Ms2ger> JonathanS, private: int mFoo -> public: int mFoo;
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# [20:50] <JonathanS> Ms2ger, oh, they just changed visiblity of API
# [20:50] <Ms2ger> Indeed so
# [20:50] <@khuey> lol
# [20:50] <wesj> philor: its also why i shouldn't push a bunch of only slightly related stuff all at once like that
# [20:51] <Ms2ger> Well, not-API
# [20:51] <Waldo> that file took an expansive definition of the term API
# [20:51] <wesj> philor: backing out though. thanks
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# [20:52] <froydnj> Waldo: what's the right way to have headers from mfbt used during the build process, but not exported?
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# [20:52] <Waldo> froydnj: could you elaborate? not quite following
# [20:52] <froydnj> Waldo: I'm hacking for bug 614188
# [20:53] <froydnj> Waldo: and I am assuming that the imported headers should not become part of mfbt's public api?
# [20:53] <Waldo> seems right
# [20:53] <Waldo> I think you could just add the files (perhaps in a subdirectory), then just not add them by name to exported_headers.mk
# [20:54] <froydnj> I have done that
# [20:54] <Waldo> this assumes exported headers have no dependency on these imported headers, of course
# [20:54] <Waldo> does that not work, then?
# [20:54] * Waldo notes that build-fu is not really his strong suit
# [20:54] <froydnj> should I just be adding appropriate -I logic to the js engine (and everywhere else that needs it, then?)
# [20:55] <Waldo> so, #include "" will look from the directory of the file containing it
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# [20:55] <froydnj> right
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# [20:55] <Waldo> so Dtoa.cpp, say, could just have #include "dtoa/Internal.h" in it and things would work fine, no?
# [20:55] <froydnj> building the sources themselves is not the problem atm
# [20:55] <Waldo> doesn't seem to me that -I build stuff is needed
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# [20:56] <froydnj> sorry, let me back up; I am explaining this poorly
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# [20:56] <froydnj> we now have mfbt/double-conversion/
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# [20:56] <froydnj> filled with imported .cc and .h files
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# [20:56] <froydnj> mfbt/sources.mk has been appropriately modified
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# [20:57] <froydnj> so those imported sources build fine
# [20:57] <froydnj> but to make the js engine use those sources
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# [20:58] <Waldo> you mean, build them?
# [20:58] <froydnj> or, rather, the headers, what is the Right Thing?
# [20:58] <froydnj> no, it builds them just fine via sources.mk
# [20:58] <jlebar> froydnj, This might be easier if you showed some code and the compile error.
# [20:58] <Waldo> that's probably not unreasonable :-)
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# [21:00] <gcp_> "Regarding the future #chrome PPAPI blocking the sandbox escape... we've heard otherwise"
# [21:00] <gcp_> lulz
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# [21:01] <froydnj> ah, jsnum.cpp just sidesteps the issue of headers
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# [21:02] <Waldo> the dtoa internals don't really need header-exposure, I'd think
# [21:02] <froydnj> there is nothing quite so nice as DoubleToCString in the new code AFAICS
# [21:02] <Waldo> calling DoubleToCString nice is going a bit far :-)
# [21:03] <froydnj> well, conveniently declared, then
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# [21:07] <dholbert> anyone seen "remote: .hgtags@398c893ba885, line 59: node '<<<<<<<' is not well formed" when pushing to try?
# [21:07] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [21:07] <Ms2ger> Rejects in your .hgtags?
# [21:07] <dholbert> This is the output I got from an apparently-successful try push just now: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1509214
# [21:07] <dholbert> Ms2ger, I suspect in remote .hgtags
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# [21:08] <Ms2ger> I sure hope not!
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# [21:08] <dholbert> Ms2ger, my .hgtags has no "<<<" lines in it
# [21:08] <Ms2ger> Hrm
# [21:09] <Ms2ger> bhearsum|buildduty?
# [21:09] <bhearsum|buildduty> ?
# [21:09] <dholbert> bhearsum|buildduty, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1509214
# [21:09] <bhearsum|buildduty> seems ignorable to me
# [21:09] <bhearsum|buildduty> but that's probably a result of jhopkins' closing of a bunch of heads
# [21:09] <bhearsum|buildduty> jhopkins: ^
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# [21:10] <Ms2ger> bholley, wut
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# [21:10] <bholley> Ms2ger: I flagged you for review!
# [21:11] <jhopkins> bhearsum|buildduty: yes, I do recall seeing that message but it didn't harm anything. i'm not sure where hg is seeing this problem in the metadata
# [21:11] <jlebar> dholbert, did you check that revision's .hgtags?
# [21:12] <dholbert> jlebar, my local repo (from which I pushed to try) has no <<<< in its .hgtags, if that's what you're asking
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# [21:12] <jlebar> dholbert, I mean, what about .hgtags at rev 398c893ba, if that's not tip?
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# [21:13] <wesj> philor|afk: building this backout patch to make sure i didn't screw it up to much
# [21:13] <dholbert> jlebar, hg export 398c893ba885 --> "abort: unknown revision '398c893ba885'!"
# [21:13] <jlebar> dholbert, Maybe that was your qtip, and then you qpop'ed.
# [21:13] <dholbert> jlebar, nope, my repo is untouched since I pushed to try
# [21:14] <jlebar> o.O
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# [21:14] <dholbert> jlebar, that's a message from the remote server; I suspect it's a revision that exists in the try repo
# [21:14] <jlebar> Ah.
# [21:14] <dholbert> so if I cloned try, I could probably inspect that revision
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# [21:14] <dholbert> I may try (ha!) that, but not immediately
# [21:14] <Ms2ger> dholbert, note: do not try that :)
# [21:14] <NeilZZZ> can't you use hgweb to inspect it?
# [21:14] <dholbert> Ms2ger, on a drive with a lot of space :D
# [21:15] <dholbert> NeilZZZ, probably, yeah
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# [21:15] <dholbert> yup, jhopkins, this is for you :)
# [21:15] <dholbert> https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/398c893ba885
# [21:15] <dholbert> it's purely a change to .hgtags, and it does indeed have some merge conflict lines in there
# [21:16] <jhopkins> ah
# [21:16] <Ms2ger> bholley, so did you expect me to understand that test?
# [21:16] <dholbert> not sure why that's causing issues on _my_ try push, though, since my try push isn't based off of that revision
# [21:16] <bholley> Ms2ger: yes
# [21:16] <bholley> Ms2ger: it's pretty straightforward
# [21:16] <dholbert> (s/issues/spammed scary-looking-but-not-actually-a-problem warning output/)
# [21:16] <jhopkins> i should be able to push a fix for that
# [21:17] <dholbert> jhopkins, cool, thanks
# [21:17] <dholbert> jhopkins, everyone who pushes to try and expects concise output will thank you for it :)
# [21:17] <bholley> Ms2ger: basically, before compartments, cross-origin security wrappers were this special thing
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# [21:17] <bholley> Ms2ger: and then compartments landed, so this check was just replaced to see if there was a proxy involved
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# [21:18] <bholley> Ms2ger: ie, _some_ sort of wrapper
# [21:18] <bholley> Ms2ger: but with c-p-g, we always have wrappers
# [21:18] <bholley> Ms2ger: so that check doesn't mean anything anymore
# [21:18] <bholley> Ms2ger: so I just changed the test to do a braindead check that the same origin policy really works
# [21:18] <bholley> Ms2ger: since we don't handle frameElement specially anymore
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# [21:20] <Ms2ger> function(event) { runTest.apply(null, event.data.split(',')) }
# [21:20] <Ms2ger> Lovely
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# [21:22] <bholley> smaug: it might. For the moment I'm just trying to get it to pass tests
# [21:22] <Ms2ger> bholley, so I wonder if we could instead tell the subframe whether it should be cross-origin
# [21:22] <Ms2ger> Like, add ?sameorigin or ?crossorigin
# [21:23] <bholley> Ms2ger: we could just check whether the domain is example.org
# [21:23] <Ms2ger> That too
# [21:24] <bholley> smaug: the high-level decision to pursue this was made by people other than myself
# [21:24] <Ms2ger> Want to do that and then test both parent.location and frameElement?
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# [21:51] <Ms2ger> PR_DELETE, wut
# [21:52] <biesi> ohh nspr fun
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# [21:59] <WeirdAl> Hmph... I'm still hitting build bustages with WinMouseScrollHandler.cpp, complaining about nsGkAtoms
# [22:00] <WeirdAl> Win7x64, clean tree
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# [22:00] <WeirdAl> 'nsGkAtoms' : is not a class or namespace name
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# [22:01] <Ms2ger> mozconfig?
# [22:01] <WeirdAl> one sec
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# [22:01] <WeirdAl> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1509281
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# [22:02] <Ms2ger> I'm going to blame that :)
# [22:03] <WeirdAl> what part of it?
# [22:03] <Ms2ger> Something in it :)
# [22:03] <WeirdAl> :|
# [22:03] <Ms2ger> crashreporter or a11y, probably
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# [22:04] <WeirdAl> I would think neither was unusual to turn off for local builds
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# [22:11] <@ehsan> jgriffin: the repo is now updated
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# [22:11] <jgriffin> ehsan: thank you!
# [22:11] <@ehsan> sure thing
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# [22:29] <@ehsan> khuey: you got a sec?
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# [22:30] <@khuey> gavin++
# [22:30] <@khuey> ehsan: sure
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# [22:30] <@ehsan> ok I'm going crazy
# [22:30] <@khuey> heh
# [22:30] <@ehsan> khuey: I wanna add a autotools based project to our build system
# [22:30] <@ehsan> here's what I'm doing
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# [22:30] <@khuey> oh lord
# [22:31] <@ehsan> before the "Setup a nice relatively clean..." crap in configure.in, I'm adding my stuff
# [22:31] <@ehsan> I first export CC CXX CPP and friends
# [22:31] <@ehsan> then I setup ac_configure_args
# [22:31] <@ehsan> then I disable the default configure cache the same way that the libffi build code does
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# [22:32] <@ehsan> then I call AC_OUTPUT_SUBDIRS(path/to/dir)
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# [22:32] <@ehsan> and for some reason, nspr's configure now fails :((
# [22:32] <@ehsan> khuey: can you tell me what I'm doing wrong?
# [22:32] <@khuey> does your subconfigure run after NSPR's?
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# [22:33] <@ehsan> no before
# [22:33] <@khuey> ok
# [22:33] <@khuey> pastebin a diff?
# [22:33] <@ehsan> sure
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# [22:35] <@ehsan> khuey: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1509356
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# [22:37] <@khuey> bsmedberg: somebody in #introduction wants to know what the earliest place prefs are available is
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# [22:38] <@bsmedberg> khuey: that's a... hard question!
# [22:38] <@khuey> ehsan: exporting all that stuff seems suspect
# [22:38] <@khuey> bsmedberg: which is why I said it was a question for you!
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# [22:38] <@ehsan> khuey: can I avoid exporting them all?
# [22:38] <@khuey> ehsan: why do you need to export any of them?
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# [22:38] <@ehsan> khuey: things break if I don't
# [22:39] <@khuey> ehsan: for libunwind?
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# [22:40] <@khuey> ehsan: if you really need to export, try exporting the clean values?
# [22:41] <@khuey> like http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in#9209
# [22:41] <@ehsan> khuey: actually maybe I'm on crack
# [22:41] <@ehsan> I removed the export and the build is now going
# [22:41] <@ehsan> let's see what happens ;)
# [22:41] <@khuey> heh
# [22:41] <@khuey> ok
# [22:41] <@khuey> I would expect the export to be unnecessary
# [22:42] <@ehsan> good
# [22:42] * @ehsan wishes khuey is right
# [22:42] <@ehsan> khuey: I wasted ~4hrs today on this :(
# [22:43] <@khuey> that's no fun
# [22:43] <@ehsan> nope
# [22:43] <@khuey> ehsan: if it's any consolation, I've lost weeks of my life to bent's insanity
# [22:43] <@ehsan> bent's insanity?
# [22:43] <@khuey> dom/workers
# [22:43] <@smaug> :)
# [22:43] <bent> khuey, we need someone to do the multiprocess CC impl for workers too
# [22:43] <bent> you in?
# [22:44] <JonathanS> if you tried to do same thing over but expecting a different results :)
# [22:44] <@ehsan> khuey: ah there we go
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# [22:44] <@ehsan> khuey: the build now succeeds
# [22:44] <@ehsan> khuey: but libunwind doesn't get cross compiled
# [22:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/08809a43e082 - Olli Pettay - Bug 730891, event ctor for StorageEvent, r=sicking,kyle
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# [22:45] <jhammel> khuey: just don't push it!
# [22:45] <@khuey> ehsan: mmm
# [22:45] <@khuey> one sec
# [22:46] <JonathanS> what if any version control system can be like childbirth?
# [22:47] <jhammel> JonathanS: painful?
# [22:47] <jhammel> i think *all* version control systems are that way
# [22:47] <JonathanS> jhammel, oh course like merging and pushing can lead to conflict.\
# [22:47] <@khuey> ehsan: you probably need to pass --host=$target
# [22:47] <@khuey> ehsan: since host/target mean different things in our build and in most other projects builds
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# [22:49] <@ehsan> awesome
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# [22:52] <ekw> Is this page meant for people interested in contributing to Release Engineering? https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/How_To/Setup_Personal_Development_Master Because it says you need root to give yourself an account on dev-master01...
# [22:53] <@khuey> ekw: probably not
# [22:53] <@ehsan> khuey: configure: WARNING: if you wanted to set the --build type, don't use --host.
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# [22:53] <@ehsan> khuey: If a cross compiler is detected then cross compile mode will be used
# [22:54] <@ehsan> what does this mean?
# [22:54] <@khuey> ehsan: try --build=$build, --host=$target
# [22:54] <@khuey> without the comma
# [22:54] <@khuey> bhearsum|buildduty: can you help ekw?
# [22:54] <@khuey> bhearsum|buildduty: or redirect appropriately?
# [22:54] <Mook_as> it really just means "mozilla has a different idea than autoconf as to what --host and --build means"
# [22:55] <@ehsan> khuey: trying
# [22:55] <@khuey> well, Mozilla has the right idea ;-)
# [22:55] <@khuey> autoconf thinks everything is a compiler
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# [22:55] <ekw> khuey: I see elsewhere it says to try the #build channel, so let me try there. thanks
# [22:55] <bhearsum|buildduty> hi
# [22:55] <bhearsum|buildduty> yeah, let's go to #build
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# [23:01] <mbrubeck> Careful, some people might panic if they hear you saying "go to build" unexpectedly. :)
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# [23:03] <@ehsan> khuey: so now libunwind is trying to use gcc instead of the arm-gcc compiler
# [23:03] <@ehsan> khuey: maybe I should try passing in CC and friends as configure variables?
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# [23:15] <@khuey> ehsan: worth a shot
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# [23:15] <@ehsan> khuey: but how do I do that?
# [23:15] <@ehsan> configure gets invoked by autoconf
# [23:16] <@ehsan> khuey: and I tried using export -n to "unexport" them afterwards, but that doesn't work in configure for some reason
# [23:16] <@ehsan> says -n is an invalid arg
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# [23:16] <tn> jrmuizel, pong
# [23:17] <jrmuizel> tn: it's been so long I don't even remember
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# [23:18] <@ehsan> khuey: does configure gets run by /bin/sh?
# [23:18] <@ehsan> or bash?
# [23:18] <@khuey> ehsan: something like http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/src/configure.in#5410 ?
# [23:18] <@khuey> I don't know
# [23:18] <@ehsan> cause bin/sh doesn't know export -n
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# [23:18] <@ehsan> man
# [23:18] <@ehsan> this proved to be the hardest piece of this project :(
# [23:18] <@ehsan> ok yeah
# [23:18] <@ehsan> that might work
# [23:19] <@khuey> cross compiling is always fun
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# [23:22] <rniwa> ehsan: hi ehsan
# [23:22] <@ehsan> rniwa: hey
# [23:23] <rniwa> ehsan: hbono wanted me to follow up with you about spellcheck API
# [23:23] <rniwa> ehsan: is Mozilla interested in proceeding with the current proposal?
# [23:23] <sfink> ehsan: err... is this for libunwind?
# [23:23] <@ehsan> sfink: yeah
# [23:23] <@ehsan> rniwa: yeah I think so
# [23:23] <rniwa> ehsan: great
# [23:24] <@ehsan> rniwa: the discussion sort of stopped...
# [23:24] <@ehsan> don't remember why
# [23:24] <sfink> ehsan: I have a patch that adds libunwind under js/, with probably badly-done configure goop
# [23:24] <rniwa> ehsan: ok....
# [23:24] <rniwa> ehsan: i guess people are busy :)
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# [23:24] <rniwa> ehsan: I think hbono's motivated enough to bring it up on public-webapps or whatever other appropriate standard mailing list
# [23:24] <@ehsan> sfink: I'm adding it in tools/profiler
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# [23:24] <rniwa> ehsan: do you think we should do that?
# [23:24] <@ehsan> sfink: do you need it to live in js?
# [23:24] <sfink> ehsan: you know that libunwind requires autoconf-2.6, not autoconf-2.13 like the rest of things
# [23:25] <sfink> ehsan: I'm not planning on landing that patch at all
# [23:25] <@ehsan> rniwa: yeah I don't see why not
# [23:25] <rniwa> (sorry i'm kind of bridging the conv. since he's based in tokyo, and it's hard for him to be on IRC around this time
# [23:25] <rniwa> )
# [23:25] <rniwa> ehsan: great.
# [23:25] <@ehsan> sfink: I will land it autoreconf'ed
# [23:25] <rniwa> ehsan: i'll go talk with hbono and suggest that then
# [23:25] <sfink> but it might serve as a useful example
# [23:25] <@ehsan> ok
# [23:25] <sfink> let me dig it up...
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# [23:25] <sfink> (oh, and btw, the libunwind tree has a directory named "aux", which is a nono on Windows)
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# [23:26] <sfink> ehsan: I put the patch at http://people.mozilla.org/~sfink/data/libunwind-config
# [23:26] <sfink> (that's only the configure stuff; I import libunwind itself in a separate patch)
# [23:27] <@ehsan> sfink: I am only using libunwind on android
# [23:27] <sfink> doesn't matter. You're putting it in the tree.
# [23:27] <tn> cpearce, so i figured out how we can make the rootViewSibling part work in the non-weak view patch if that is of interest to you
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# [23:27] <rniwa> ehsan: great, thanks!
# [23:27] <cpearce> tn: yes of that's of interest
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# [23:28] <@ehsan> sfink: the reason I'm doing it is cause I've hacked it to work on android
# [23:28] * cpearce wants to learn more about layout...
# [23:28] <tn> cpearce, so rootViewSibling has to be a root view of another document, we should just grab an nsCOMPtr of its nsIDocument
# [23:29] <tn> cpearce, then when we insert look for that nsIDocument, if its not there something has been destroyed and we just do our best
# [23:29] <sfink> ehsan: yep, I figured that was what this was about. I was using a pre-import step to rename that directory. I don't know if it actually breaks anything, but hg will complain at you.
# [23:29] <tn> cpearce, (it would be nice to kill weak views :) )
# [23:29] <tn> cpearce, and views are going away, so the less we make use of them now the less work down the road
# [23:30] <@ehsan> sfink: oh wait, what did you mean by no-no on windows?!
# [23:30] <sfink> ehsan: You can't have a file or directory named "aux" on Windows. So you can't commit something to the tree that creates such a directory on checkout.
# [23:30] <sfink> aux, com, lpt, etc.
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# [23:31] <@ehsan> sfink: oh, f*$%^ me
# [23:31] <@ehsan> :((
# [23:31] <@ehsan> sfink: good to know, I'll keep it in mind
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# [23:32] <cpearce> tn: so, what do we do when we "do our best"? Just assume rootViewSibling is null?
# [23:32] <sfink> ehsan: we probably ought to ask libunwind upstream to get rid of it.
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# [23:34] <@ehsan> sfink: I'll do that, I have a bunch of patches to upstream anyways
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# [23:34] <tn> cpearce, hmm, this is an edge of an edge of an edge case, because most of the time rootViewSibling is null, and when its not the child list has at most two children, so if we are one, ad the other has been destroyed we don't have to make a decision, i don't know if 3 or more children can happen
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# [23:35] <tn> cpearce, just record if we were the first child before, if we were make us first child after, if not, insert at the end maybe?
# [23:36] <tn> cpearce, i mean in the past we crashed if this situation happened, so doing anything reasonable is probably an improvement
# [23:37] <tn> cpearce, and if we have more than one child, that is transient, all but one of them will go away "shortly"
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# [23:40] <cpearce> tn: you're talking about child views right? why would all but one of them go away shortly?
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# [23:42] <cpearce> tn: and how do I test this condition? a history.go(-1) in a document with an iframe sibling?
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# [23:43] <tn> cpearce, so we have the root view of a document. its parent is the anonymous inner view that nsSubDocumentFrame creates. the anonymous inner view's parent is the view for the nsSubDocumentFrame. any views that are siblings with the root view of the document are other documents (during transition from one page to the next we keep two documents there). we can obviously only draw one document in an iframe at a time. we only keep two when the new doc
# [23:43] <tn> ument isn't ready to draw yet.
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# [23:46] <cpearce> tn: right, I think that makes sense.
# [23:46] <cpearce> Ok that does make sense.
# [23:47] <tn> these view siblings are not content tree siblings or frame tree siblings, its expressing something outside of the DOM or frame tree
# [23:47] <cpearce> Right.
# [23:48] <tn> cpearce, as for testing you could try the history.back thing while in fullscreen and another page is loading but not displayed yet? that might be hard, and even then might not trigger it.
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# [23:50] <@ehsan> khuey: sfink: BenWa: my build *FINALLY* finished successfully \o/
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# [23:50] <BenWa> ehsan: which build?
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# [23:50] <@ehsan> BenWa: an android build with libunwind integrated into the build system!
# [23:50] <BenWa> Nice
# [23:50] <BenWa> land it!
# [23:51] <cpearce> tn: so, why are we creating and inserting a new view here? Is is because we must recreate the presshell?
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# [23:52] <cpearce> (or because the presshell being restored destroys its views when it goes into history?)
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# [23:53] <tn> cpearce, the presshell keeps its views if its in the bfcache, if its not in the bfcache all layout stuff is destroy, presshell, views, frames
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# [23:54] <tn> cpearce, we have to recreate the subdocument frame, so we destroy, and then later, recreate it. destroying it also brings down the subdocument inside
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# [23:54] <cpearce> tn: so we're recreating views because it has position:fixed applied/unapplied due to fullscreen mode?
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# [23:55] <cpearce> I mean recreating subdocumentframe.
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# [23:56] <tn> cpearce, i assume so. we can run script and hence anything can happen between when we fetch those views and when we use them so we need to protect against that.
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# [23:56] <cpearce> tn: right, ok. I'll see if I can make some progress on this...
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# [23:57] <tn> cpearce, thanks for tackling this!
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# [23:58] <cpearce> tn: seems like a good way go get familiar with this stuff to handle bug 708553 ;)
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