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1. # Session Start: Sat Mar 10 00:00:00 2012
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5. # [00:00] <@dolske> ah. well, I'm sure the move to 128-bit will be a clear and orderly progression to avoid this.
6. # [00:02] <jesup> yeah. Even I forgot itanium. Never mind on the ia64. That's ironic - it's actually willing to install the am64 version
7. # [00:02] <jesup> s/am64/amd64/
8. # [00:02] <jesup> On my shiney SandyBridge Intel CPU
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11. # [00:03] <jesup> Oh, and thanks Microsoft for those clear-as-glass errors ;-)
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23. # [00:12] <@smaug> mccr8: so you're not going to try that virtual disconnection right now?
24. # [00:12] <@smaug> I could update the patch while waiting something else to compile
25. # [00:12] <mccr8> smaug: yeah I'm probably not going to get to it today.
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27. # [00:13] <@smaug> ok, I'll update the patch soon, today or tomorrow
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33. # [00:17] <clever> i was wondering, where is the data the GC looks at stored with relation to the actual js objects in ram?
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35. # [00:19] <@smaug> clever: you want #jsapi
36. # [00:19] <biesi> clever, I thought it looked at the actual js objects? but yes ask #jsapi
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38. # [00:19] <clever> ah, yeah that sounds like a better idea
39. # [00:19] <jorendorff> it's a great question
40. # [00:19] <clever> my main idea was swapping
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42. # [00:19] <clever> is the GC pulling crap back into memory...
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44. # [00:20] <dholbert> jlebar, Win m-i bustage
45. # [00:20] <terrence> clever: it looks at the actual jsobjects (through markChildren and the trace function) and at a bunch of bits of management data surrounding them
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47. # [00:20] <jlebar> dholbert, ssize_t!
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49. # [00:20] <dholbert> yup
50. # [00:20] <clever> terrence: so then, it would force the os to swap the entire jsobject back into ram, when its only needing a few of those fields?
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52. # [00:20] <jlebar> Sigh.
53. # [00:21] <terrence> clever: generally no... it needs all of the fields
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60. # [00:26] * Waldo seriously doubts itanic will ever really be forgotten
61. # [00:27] <darktrojan> it's unsinkable
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64. # [00:28] <jlebar> dholbert, Pushed a fix.
65. # [00:28] <dholbert> jlebar, good man
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67. # [00:29] <dholbert> jlebar, looks like you've got some not-know-to-be-sporadic linux 64-bit reftest failures, too... (perhaps also mochitest failures, haven't looked into those oranges)
68. # [00:29] <dholbert> in layout/reftests/transform-3d/*
69. # [00:29] <jaws> tn: ping?
70. # [00:30] <jlebar> dholbert, Oh, interesting. We should just back me out, then.
71. # [00:30] <tn> jaws, pong
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73. # [00:30] <jlebar> Huh, lots of strange things failing that I didn't see on try.
74. # [00:30] <dholbert> jlebar, probably, yeah.
75. # [00:30] <jaws> tn: do you think you'll be able to review bug 206438 so we can get it landed in time for 13? (once the new patch is uploaded of course)
76. # [00:31] <romaxa> dholbert: is it possible to specify line number in view-source: view?
77. # [00:31] <tchevalier> gavin: ping
78. # [00:31] <dholbert> romaxa, you mean like link to a specific line number?
79. # [00:31] <dholbert> romaxa, I see line numbers in view-source:
80. # [00:31] <gavin> tchevalier: pong
81. # [00:32] <romaxa> dholbert: yep, if possibly with markup
82. # [00:32] <dholbert> romaxa, not sure
83. # [00:32] <tn> jaws, what makes you think i'm any quicker than roc? :) he's been quick on reviews and i think he'd be better, i think i'm a little too close to this one
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85. # [00:32] <gavin> he's on vacation, right?
86. # [00:32] <dholbert> romaxa, I suspect not -- I'll bet everything after the "view-source:" is treated as the URL to be loaded
87. # [00:32] <Waldo> roc is also on vacation-ish now, no?
88. # [00:32] <tchevalier> gavin: Since we are checking telemetry.enabledByDefault for Nightly/Aurora, it's true for everyone in Nightly/Aurora, and we are going to discard current user's choice, no?
89. # [00:32] <jaws> tn: roc is on vacation, so i'm trying not to put so much on his plate
90. # [00:32] <dholbert> romaxa, (and viewed) -- so, there wouldn't be any place to put the line number (e.g. #lineNum at the end wouldn't work)
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92. # [00:33] <gavin> tchevalier: yes, one-time only
93. # [00:33] <gavin> tchevalier: but we'll have the opt-out prompt, so I think that's fine
94. # [00:33] <tchevalier> gavin: Lawrence told that we should keep this choice, so, no problem to discard it on time?
95. # [00:34] <gavin> I think there is no problem
96. # [00:34] <gavin> I can discuss it with lmandel
97. # [00:34] <tchevalier> gavin: okay, I think we should be sure with Privacy team. Thanks
98. # [00:34] <gavin> yeah
99. # [00:35] <tn> jaws, he's already looked at it, so reviewing the changes shouldn't be hard. i think he's the right choice.
100. # [00:35] <romaxa> dholbert: would be nice to have something like: view-source:#l120#m125-135:URL
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102. # [00:35] <jaws> tn: ok cool
103. # [00:35] <dholbert> romaxa, agreed -- dunno about specific syntax, but that'd be a handy feature.
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110. # [00:36] <jlebar> dholbert, Okay, I'm backing out.
111. # [00:36] <dholbert> jlebar, good man
112. # [00:37] <jlebar> dholbert, Too much props for burning the tree. :)
113. # [00:37] <dholbert> jlebar, adequate man
114. # [00:37] <dholbert> better? :D
115. # [00:37] <jlebar> There we go. :D
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118. # [00:41] * RyanVM thinks now may not be the best time to check in to inbound...
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121. # [00:43] <@ehsan> khuey: ping for bug 734392
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123. # [00:43] <Waldo> on the plus side, at least my push isn't clogging up the slave queue :-)
124. # [00:43] <NeilAway> dholbert: you should ask hsivonen_ about that
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126. # [00:44] <dholbert> NeilAway, I don't care enough. :) romaxa should ask him though!
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128. # [00:45] <@khuey> ehsan: Access Denied
129. # [00:45] <NeilAway> !seen mounir
130. # [00:45] <firebot> mounir was last seen 6 hours, 59 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying 'thanks' in #developers.
131. # [00:45] <@ehsan> khuey: 734302 :)
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133. # [00:45] <@ehsan> khuey: sorry I guess I need a new pair of glasses ;)
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135. # [00:45] <@khuey> ehsan: you requested review 6 hours ago ...
136. # [00:45] <@ehsan> khuey: it's the 21st century man :P
137. # [00:46] <@khuey> ehsan: I'm a lot more than 6 hours behind on reivews ;-)
138. # [00:46] <@ehsan> khuey: fair enough, feel free to ignore my ping for now, I would definitely understand if you can't do the review right now :)
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140. # [00:46] <mounir> NeilAway: yes?
141. # [00:47] <NeilAway> mounir: what do you know about Mac progressmeters?
142. # [00:47] <@khuey> ehsan: I'd expect to get to it early next week
143. # [00:48] <@ehsan> khuey: sounds good
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146. # [00:48] <mounir> NeilAway: you mean native progress bars?
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148. # [00:50] <NeilAway> mounir: hmm, actually, I might have just accidentally stumbled over what I was looking for
149. # [00:51] <mounir> NeilAway: ok :)
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153. # [00:56] <darktrojan> mak, what's the m-i red all about?
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155. # [00:57] <mak> darktrojan: uh, originally I thought it was the usual random failure, but looks like it was real
156. # [00:57] <darktrojan> well it seems to have stopped
157. # [00:57] <darktrojan> the running builds are still running
158. # [00:57] <mak> darktrojan: so I just misstarred it. jlebar pushed a followup for Win
159. # [00:57] <darktrojan> oh right
160. # [00:57] * darktrojan stars
161. # [00:59] <mak> sorry
162. # [00:59] <darktrojan> np
163. # [00:59] <KaiRo> D'oh. How unconcentrated was I to do myObject == "foo" and wonder why it didn't work instead of doing myObject.myProperty == "foo"?
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166. # [01:04] <philor> woohoo, we've reach failure saturation, not building seems like just the normal noise :)
167. # [01:05] <RyanVM> philor: I'm sure as heck not piling on for now
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171. # [01:07] <darktrojan> RyanVM, you could, but there's so much stuff pending it might as well wait
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173. # [01:07] <RyanVM> yeah, it's no rush
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178. # [01:10] <darktrojan> .. or would, if self serve would cooperate
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181. # [01:11] <Waldo> if we're that worried about the tree, the right move would seem to be to close it, no?
182. # [01:12] <darktrojan> we're not
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184. # [01:13] <RyanVM> I just don't like to checkin c-n patches on a shaky tree due to the high risk of bustage in their own right
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194. # [01:22] <RyanVM> odd, i'm getting a sync unknown error on one box and no issues on the other with the exact same build
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196. # [01:22] <@smaug> mconnor: ^
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199. # [01:23] <sicking> dougt: does the device-orientation spec expose compass as well?
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207. # [01:25] <dougt> sicking: yes
208. # [01:26] <sicking> dougt: how? I can't see it
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212. # [01:27] <dougt> sicking http://ariya.ofilabs.com/2011/10/magnetic-compass-via-device-orientation.html
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221. # [01:33] <RyanVM> WARN Encountered exception: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [mozIStorageConnection.beginTransaction]
222. # [01:33] <RyanVM> that sounds good
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226. # [01:35] <sicking> dougt: so you can get the "normal" compass direction through deviceoritation.alpha. Can you get the other axises as well somehow?
227. # [01:35] <sicking> dougt: they are certainly a lot less important I agree
228. # [01:36] <dougt> how do you mean?
229. # [01:36] <dougt> there is also beta and gamma
230. # [01:36] <sicking> but that's the device beta and gamma
231. # [01:36] <dougt> http://dev.w3.org/geo/api/spec-source-orientation.html#deviceorientation
232. # [01:37] <sicking> not the magnetic field's beta and gamma
233. # [01:37] <dougt> everything is relative to the device.
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250. # [01:50] <darktrojan> bah, didn't get a chance to stomp on those tests before they had a chance to start and go orange
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252. # [01:51] <darktrojan> who let our build infr get so efficient
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255. # [01:54] <ehoogeveen> sicking: I'm sorry if you feel I wasted your time, but I attached the interdiff so I thought it would be okay?
256. # [01:55] <sicking> ehoogeveen: oh, no, i don't feel that you wasted my time. If i had to rereview the whole thing you would have, but i wouldn't do that :)
257. # [01:55] <sicking> ehoogeveen: i must have missed the interdiff, looking now
258. # [01:55] * @khuey wonders why Core::Embedding: ActiveX Control is still a thing
259. # [01:56] <ehoogeveen> It was a really silly mistake on my part, but I'm baffled why it compiled at all before
260. # [01:56] <sicking> ehoogeveen: which attachment is the interdiff?
261. # [01:56] <ehoogeveen> sicking: sorry, I'll un-obsolete it (wasn't thinking of IRC when I made the change)
262. # [01:57] <ehoogeveen> sicking: there we go
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264. # [01:58] <sicking> ehoogeveen: ugh, i'm so sorry, my bad, i didn't look at the attachments closely enough
265. # [01:58] <ehoogeveen> sicking: that's fine, I could probably just have carried forward r+ like you said anyway :)
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267. # [01:59] <ehoogeveen> sicking: but if you could send it to try I'd be much obliged
268. # [01:59] <sicking> ehoogeveen: will do
269. # [02:00] * ehoogeveen had mochitest-5 go orange once, but never again after that, so is a bit nervous
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272. # [02:00] <sicking> ehoogeveen: could you attach an all-in-one patch for landing and try? If so I'll push to try and then land if it looks fine
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274. # [02:00] <ehoogeveen> sicking: alright, just a moment
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291. # [02:17] <mconnor> RyanVM: about:sync-log, find the most recent error?
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303. # [02:24] <RyanVM> mconnor: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1511259
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305. # [02:26] <mconnor> RyanVM: version? any add-ons related to forms?
306. # [02:26] <RyanVM> trunk
307. # [02:26] <RyanVM> bugzilla tweaks?
308. # [02:27] <mconnor> RyanVM: restart and try again? there's no bugs matching this. a full log would be good ,I think.
309. # [02:28] <RyanVM> it happens across restarts
310. # [02:28] <RyanVM> and new builds
311. # [02:28] <mconnor> pastebin a full log?
312. # [02:28] <RyanVM> been happening for almost a week now
313. # [02:28] <RyanVM> k
314. # [02:28] <mconnor> does form autocomplete work in web pages?
315. # [02:29] <RyanVM> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1511260
316. # [02:29] <RyanVM> if by working you mean me seeing the dropdown, yes
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320. # [02:31] <mconnor> RyanVM: I mean that you can actually get suggestions and enter them.
321. # [02:32] <RyanVM> yeah, selecting them from the dropdown fills them in
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323. # [02:32] <mconnor> this is satchel code throwing, hmm.
324. # [02:33] * @smaug changed satchel some time ago
325. # [02:33] <@smaug> the C++ part of it
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327. # [02:33] <@smaug> Bug 726334
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332. # [02:35] <mconnor> smaug: I think you're off the hook
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334. # [02:36] <mconnor> RyanVM: so... huh
335. # [02:36] <RyanVM> heh
336. # [02:36] <RyanVM> i have two computers
337. # [02:36] <RyanVM> both run the same build of fx
338. # [02:36] <RyanVM> and sync profiles
339. # [02:36] <RyanVM> one has the issue
340. # [02:36] <RyanVM> the other doesn't
341. # [02:37] * @smaug has heard similar reports before
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344. # [02:38] <mconnor> RyanVM: that the db calls are failing makes me wonder if there's DB corruption.
345. # [02:38] <mconnor> RyanVM: if you have a sqlite lib (i.e. on OS X) you could check that.
346. # [02:38] <RyanVM> i'm on win7
347. # [02:38] <mconnor> bummer
348. # [02:38] <mconnor> ok
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350. # [02:38] <RyanVM> too bad places maintenance only works on places.sqlie
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352. # [02:39] <mconnor> RyanVM: so, reset services.sync.forms.lastSync and services.sync.forms.lastSyncLocal, shut down Firefox, and rename formhistory.sqlite
353. # [02:39] <mconnor> next sync should pull down all records
354. # [02:40] <mconnor> if that works, need to figure out how to run an integrity check on that db
355. # [02:40] <RyanVM> ok, i'll try that in a few mins
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402. # [03:14] <RyanVM> mconnor: that worked
403. # [03:14] <RyanVM> mconnor: want me to email you the bad db?
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410. # [03:17] <RyanVM> mconnor: sent
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427. # [03:27] <mconnor> RyanVM: hmm, interesting, it passes an integrity check here
428. # [03:27] <RyanVM> can you see the entry referenced in the log?
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435. # [03:32] <mconnor> RyanVM: yeah... looks normalish
436. # [03:33] <RyanVM> weird
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558. # [05:04] <@bz> anyone here know how we handle canvas printing?
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560. # [05:05] <stuart> i'd think it should just get rendered as an image
561. # [05:05] <blizzard> like a boss
562. # [05:05] <blizzard> oh
563. # [05:05] <blizzard> you wanted a technical answer
564. # [05:05] <stuart> since it'll get surface copied to the printing surface
565. # [05:05] <stuart> like an image would
566. # [05:05] <@bz> no
567. # [05:05] <@bz> I meant the details
568. # [05:05] <@bz> since we clone to print
569. # [05:06] <@bz> and the painting code for canvas looks at the mCurrentContext as far as I can tell....
570. # [05:06] <stuart> oh, clone the dom?
571. # [05:06] <@bz> yes
572. # [05:06] <@bz> and the cloning for canvas doesn't clone the mCurrentContext
573. # [05:06] <stuart> do we not copy the canvas to the new dom element?
574. # [05:06] <stuart> mContext isn't strictly needed
575. # [05:06] <@bz> code inspection is not helping me with that so far
576. # [05:06] <stuart> er, mCurrentcontext
577. # [05:06] <@bz> nsHTMLCanvasFrame::BuildLayer
578. # [05:06] <stuart> though modifications using the canvas api might be confused
579. # [05:07] <@bz> calls GetCanvasLayer on the canvas element
580. # [05:07] * stuart looks
581. # [05:07] <stuart> you want to find the surface itself
582. # [05:07] <stuart> which is on the element i think
583. # [05:07] <@bz> which returns null if !mCurrentContext
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585. # [05:07] <@bz> And nsDisplayCanvas doesn't seem to do anything other than build the layer...
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587. # [05:08] <stuart> hrm
588. # [05:08] <@bz> don't worry about it if you don't know offhand
589. # [05:08] * @bz will just step through
590. # [05:09] <stuart> yeah, sorry this code is different than it was last i looked
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592. # [05:09] <@bz> all good
593. # [05:09] * @bz will dig
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602. # [05:19] <@bz> dbaron: welcoe
603. # [05:19] <@bz> er, welcome
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614. # [05:32] <@bz> oh, duh
615. # [05:32] <@bz> CopyInnerTo
616. # [05:32] <@bz> that's what I was looking for, ok
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625. # [05:49] * tn comes to #developers, see that bz had to look that up, feels better. :)
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631. # [06:01] <@bz> tn: heh
632. # [06:01] <@bz> tn: well, more precisely I had to step through to figure out that CopyInnerTo is what makes printing work to start with
633. # [06:02] <@bz> tn: and then it was a matter of looking up how to detect print presentations and what to do with them... ;)
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638. # [06:17] <tn> bz, you not pushing that bug tonight? i can if you want
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642. # [06:25] <@bz> tn: could you, please?
643. # [06:25] <@bz> tn: the network here sucks
644. # [06:25] <tn> bz, sure thing
645. # [06:25] <tn> bz, not at home?
646. # [06:25] <@bz> tn: thanks!
647. # [06:25] <@bz> tn: sxsw
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649. # [06:25] <@bz> tn: or more precisely hotel in austin.
650. # [06:25] <@bz> tn: and since I'm not the only sxsw person at the hotel....
651. # [06:26] <@bz> tn: the network sucks
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653. # [06:26] <tn> bz, oh, wouldn't have pegged you as a sxsw attendee
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655. # [06:26] <@bz> tn: I got roped into presenting
656. # [06:27] <@bz> tn: css.next
657. # [06:27] <@bz> tn: dbaron already had another talk he was doing and apparently you're not supposed to do more than one talk
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661. # [06:28] <tn> bz, ah
662. # [06:28] <tn> bz, can you set the whiteboard on that bug? i don't know your system
663. # [06:31] <@bz> tn: if you pushed it, just nuke the whiteboard and set TM to mozilla13
664. # [06:31] <tn> bz, done
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666. # [06:32] <@bz> thanks!
667. # [06:34] * rail is now known as rail_away
668. # [06:34] <tn> bz, you think we should take that fix, backout, or do nothing on aurora before the next merge (tues)?
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671. # [06:36] <@bz> tn: take the fix on aurora
672. # [06:36] <@bz> tn: I'll try to nom
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677. # [06:42] <@bz> did we use to have a file called Barrier.h ?
678. # [06:43] <derf> Yes.
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680. # [06:44] <derf> I mean, AFAICT, we still do.
681. # [06:46] <@bz> hmm
682. # [06:46] * @bz can't find it
683. # [06:46] <@bz> outside of the JS gc one, which is new and different....
684. # [06:46] <derf> Oh, that is the one I was talking about.
685. # [06:47] <@bz> that file was added pretty recently
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687. # [06:47] <@bz> I'm looking at patches from summer 2011 that use a Barrier.h...
688. # [06:47] <@bz> Ah, maybe they depend on bug 486442?
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700. # [07:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/857e7b6723d4 - Richard Newman - Bug 684783 - Intermittent test_errorhandler.js. r=gps
701. # [07:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9d8bbb4309b7 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 733601 - Add onRequest hook to Sync's test HTTP server; r=rnewman
702. # [07:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9f1fa0c72aac - Richard Newman - Bug 700540 - Part 2: intermittent orange in test_jpakeclient. Again. r=gps
703. # [07:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3fdc1c14a8ce - Richard Newman - Merge m-c to s-c.
704. # [07:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c90e6695df90 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 733987 - API to remove records from Sync's test HTTP server; r=rnewman
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717. # [07:33] <@bz> whoa
718. # [07:33] <@bz> sicking exists
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720. # [07:34] <sicking> bz: hehe, sorry, bad timing to be home sick after 3 weeks of travel
721. # [07:34] <sicking> bz: these patches are a joy to review though :)
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733. # [08:02] <@bz> sicking: ugh, being sick sucks
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735. # [08:02] <@bz> sicking: and I try, re: patches. ;)
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740. # [08:13] <mib_4s9kan> hi,everyone
741. # [08:13] <mib_4s9kan> anyone knows why mozcairo.lib is missing? thanks
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743. # [08:14] <mib_4s9kan> i want to extract some lib or dll
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745. # [08:15] <mib_4s9kan> base on my understanding, it should have been package into xul.dll
746. # [08:16] <mib_4s9kan> so how can i extract some that what i neeed
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860. # [11:20] <Ms2ger> khuey|away, nuh-uh
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868. # [11:44] <gcp> khuey|away: btw, any reason x64 builds aren't on MSVC10?
869. # [11:44] <Ms2ger> Hah, win64
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879. # [12:01] <Ms2ger> And there we are
880. # [12:02] * mak mid-air with Ms2ger :)
881. # [12:02] <mak> thanks
882. # [12:02] <Ms2ger> Sorry! ;)
883. # [12:02] <mak> still 3 mails to send for security bugs, humpf
884. # [12:03] <Ms2ger> Bah
885. # [12:04] <Ms2ger> Should get yourself security access
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887. # [12:06] <Ms2ger> And dougt's seems to have introduced an infinite loop
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889. # [12:07] <mak> ah, the second one is missing --i
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891. # [12:08] <mak> do you have access to that bug?
892. # [12:08] <Ms2ger> Nope
893. # [12:09] <mak> not just infinite, mWindowListeners[i] when i == windowListeners.Count() is not really nice
894. # [12:09] <Ms2ger> Heh
895. # [12:09] <Ms2ger> Wasn't that the bug he was supposed to fix?
896. # [12:10] * mak wonder why not starting from count() -1
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899. # [12:12] <mak> Ms2ger: should we follow-up? backout?
900. # [12:12] <mak> probably backout, I suppose
901. # [12:12] <Ms2ger> sgtm
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904. # [12:14] <mak> ok will backout from both trees
905. # [12:14] <Ms2ger> Thanks
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908. # [12:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a8751f6dc405 - Marco Bonardo - Backout 4a1f94ebd302 (bug 726502) because it accesses a bogus index in an infinite loop.
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919. # [12:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b98d1ff2d051 - ffxbld - Automated blocklist update from host moz2-linux-slave26
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980. # [14:21] <jesup> Well, it looks like a webrtc file needs atlbase.h. VS2008 (free edition) doesn't have atlbase.h (which can be downloaded as part of the 2003 SDK, per the MDN atlbase.h page), but installing it breaks the includes used from the DirectShow-accessing code (video_capture_windows, etc). Catch-22.
981. # [14:21] <jesup> So, I think the only solution is to upgrade to a commercial version... Though I'll try VS2010 (the atlbase.h MDN page doesn't say), but I don't have hope
982. # [14:21] <Ms2ger> Bah, webrtc :)
983. # [14:22] * @smaug can't wait for webrtc, and someone writing a good, open replacement skype
984. # [14:23] <@smaug> Getting well working skype client for linux from microsoft... not very likely
985. # [14:23] <Ms2ger> Add "leaky" to that list :)
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989. # [14:25] <jesup> The biggest issue with 'open' as a replacement for skype will be the need to access the PSTN.
990. # [14:26] <@smaug> yeah
991. # [14:26] <jesup> Though you can use a gneric SIP provider
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994. # [14:27] <jesup> but someone could build a sy kype6-like servic e
995. # [14:28] <jesup> toddler ehlping to type
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997. # [14:29] <jesup> with pstn, but without the opaque protocol
998. # [14:29] <@smaug> community driven access to PSTN
999. # [14:29] <@smaug> people all over the world connect phones to computer, and let other people to call
1000. # [14:30] <@smaug> then some payment system for that..
1001. # [14:30] <jesup> Though the skype people in the standards committee want us to implement protocols that will require years to stnadardize... ;-)
1002. # [14:30] <jesup> why would they want the process to take that long? ;-)
1003. # [14:31] <jesup> gotta go
1004. # [14:31] <cers> people on twitter are trying to trick firefox users into opening this url chrome://global/content/alerts/alert.xul which basically renders Firefox useless - even across restart
1005. # [14:32] <cers> took me a good while to reverse the effect, and I doubt most users would be able to at all
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1007. # [14:33] <@smaug> cers: I just closed the tab
1008. # [14:33] <cers> smaug: that did nothing here
1009. # [14:33] <@smaug> could be OS dependent
1010. # [14:33] <cers> smaug: osx
1011. # [14:33] <cers> smaug: the only way I could even see Firefox, was to go into full screen
1012. # [14:34] <cers> but closing the tab didn't help anything, restarting didn't help either
1013. # [14:34] <cers> I'm not even entirely sure how I got it back - either it was because of me killing the process, or I got a lucky click in during startup
1014. # [14:35] <@smaug> :(
1015. # [14:36] <cers> during startup I got a approx 50x50 px window, showing for maybe 1 second - I might have gotten to click maximize on that - not sure - the first few attempts I didn't and it just dissapears
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1017. # [14:37] <@smaug> cers: open a new window and close that window
1018. # [14:38] <cers> smaug: yeah - new windows were fine I guess - but then you've lost all the tabs (for me, that would be 50+ divided into different work-related tab groups)
1019. # [14:38] <cers> better than not having firefox at all, but still
1020. # [14:40] <@smaug> please file a bug
1021. # [14:41] <cers> smaug: what OS did you test on?
1022. # [14:41] <@smaug> linux
1023. # [14:41] <cers> right - marking it OSX only for now then
1024. # [14:41] <@smaug> it did something strange, like shrink the window size
1025. # [14:42] <cers> smaug: to 0x0 apparently - even no window decorations
1026. # [14:42] <@smaug> not here
1027. # [14:42] <@smaug> it did have the window deco
1028. # [14:43] <cers> smaug: that would definitely have helped - here the window is just gone
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1034. # [14:45] <@smaug> cers: please file the bug, and actually, could you set tracking-firefox11/12/13 to '?' .
1035. # [14:46] <cers> smaug: sure, in the process now
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1050. # [15:03] <cers> smaugAway: bug 734638
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1056. # [15:14] <aymwos> Will project on documentation entertained in Gsoc
1057. # [15:15] <decoder> is it possible to remove certain interfaces at runtime in xpcshell? it seems the whole components object is immutable
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1059. # [15:15] <decoder> id like to prevent certain interfaces from being used during automated testing
1060. # [15:15] <decoder> (not a security feature, but rather a safety feature)
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1120. # [16:28] <RyanVM> dammit philor, I had to file a new randomorange bug
1121. # [16:28] <philor> the randomorangepurple one? :)
1122. # [16:29] <RyanVM> not a chance
1123. # [16:29] <RyanVM> :P
1124. # [16:29] <Ms2ger> Thank you, RyanVM :)
1125. # [16:30] <philor> aww, I slept through another hg.m.o outage
1126. # [16:30] <RyanVM> philor: Yeah, not sure I really put those in the right bug, but oh well
1127. # [16:30] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: yessir!
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1129. # [16:30] <philor> were some actually an HTTP 500?
1130. # [16:31] <RyanVM> yeah
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1133. # [16:31] <RyanVM> there were some talos.json ones and a bunch of HTTP 500 ones
1134. # [16:31] <philor> I almost attached a patch to the working bug yesterday to retry on just the "we tried" message, when I realized there's actually also 500s
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1136. # [16:32] <Ms2ger> Let's retry on "TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL" too
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1138. # [16:32] <philor> I like playing with fire, but maybe not quite that much
1139. # [16:32] <ehoogeveen> I noticed a talos red on inbound that noted HTTP 500 as well
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1141. # [16:33] <RyanVM> ehoogeveen: that's what we're talking about
1142. # [16:34] <RyanVM> but hey, at least your patch stuck :P
1143. # [16:34] <philor> if you retry on something that won't ever go away, it has to take long enough to hit that the job shows up on tbpl before it retries again, to be able to cancel out of the loop
1144. # [16:34] <Ms2ger> Oh, it's like "inflammable"
1145. # [16:34] <philor> heh
1146. # [16:34] <ehoogeveen> Yeah :)
1147. # [16:35] * Ms2ger should follow Li'l Philly
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1151. # [16:38] <Ms2ger> mounir, red on try
1152. # [16:39] <philor> hmm. two steps, one downloads talos_from_code.py, the other uses it to download talos.json and produces that "we tried" message
1153. # [16:40] <philor> so how do we get one and then not the second? one bad webhead on hg.m.o?
1154. # [16:40] <Ms2ger> Fascinating
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1158. # [16:46] <philor> or maybe hgweb has already cached talos_from_code.py, and doesn't care that the repo behind it is dead, dunno
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1160. # [16:49] <Ms2ger> firebot, bug 734644
1161. # [16:49] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=734644 nor, --, ---, server-ops-releng, NEW, hg.m.o time out during Firefox 11.0 build
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1180. # [17:18] <RyanVM> philor: new bug? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9971371&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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1194. # [17:29] <RyanVM> philor: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9971394&tree=Mozilla-Inbound also
1195. # [17:29] <philor> there's about a million try pushes mentioned in the bug, perhaps one of which has an unstarred one of those on it
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1197. # [17:30] <mounir> Ms2ger: are you really watching try? :)
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1200. # [17:31] <Ms2ger> Yes
1201. # [17:31] <philor> RyanVM: "command not found in {'SESS'"? - bug 734146
1202. # [17:32] <RyanVM> thx
1203. # [17:32] <philor> my summary was better, and my bug was first, but jhammel went and put useful information in his :)
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1206. # [17:34] <RyanVM> philor: Is there a bug for the mochitest-1 leak?
1207. # [17:34] <Ms2ger> "the"?
1208. # [17:34] <philor> RyanVM: we don't yet know whether it's random, or freshly-added permanent
1209. # [17:35] <philor> not existing and known, no
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1211. # [17:35] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: lulz
1212. # [17:35] <RyanVM> ok
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1215. # [17:35] <philor> maybe download panel added it, maybe mak recently added it and it's intermittent, dunno
1216. # [17:37] <philor> though I don't think all the Storage and CalculateFrecencyFunction stuff actually means anything, I think that's just the list of objects from leaking the world
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1218. # [17:39] <philor> looks pretty much like the new tab page leak, and the whatever thing of gavin's that was leak, timeout in an about:home test maybe
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1223. # [17:42] <mak> something leaks a places connection, if there's frecency in the middle, nothing more
1224. # [17:43] <mak> I doubt the dm may do that, since m-1 doesn't init it
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1259. # [18:18] <xf> hi, http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/researchers-hack-into-newest-firefox-with-zero-day-flaw/10663 will this delay the release for Firefox 11.0 since you have to patch the vulnerability?
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1262. # [18:20] <Ms2ger> No
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1270. # [18:30] <@khuey> xf: "maybe"
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1273. # [18:34] <gcp> it prolly doesn't make sense to build 11.0 and then have to make a 11.0.1 a few hours later
1274. # [18:34] <gcp> in all other circumstances, no problem
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1276. # [18:35] <gcp> khuey: do you know why x64 builds aren't on MSVC 2010?
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1299. # [18:57] <RyanVM> philor: intermittent it is!
1300. # [18:57] <decoder> is it possible to remove certain interfaces at runtime in xpcshell? it seems the whole components object is immutable
1301. # [18:57] <decoder> id like to prevent certain interfaces from being used during automated testing
1302. # [18:57] <decoder> (not a security feature, but rather a safety feature)
1303. # [18:57] <decoder> (asked before, but nobody was awake^^)
1304. # [18:58] <Ms2ger> I don't think so
1305. # [18:58] <decoder> Ms2ger: you make decoder sad :(
1306. # [18:58] <Ms2ger> Maybe if you can change XPConnect...
1307. # [18:59] <decoder> would be ok if I had to patch something
1308. # [18:59] <decoder> could I patch it such that the object is mutable?
1309. # [18:59] <decoder> then I could modify it at runtime
1310. # [19:00] <Ms2ger> What are you trying to modify exactly?
1311. # [19:01] <@khuey> gcp: because they run on different physical machines
1312. # [19:01] <@khuey> gcp: and nobody has bothered to move them to 2010 since they aren't a real platform
1313. # [19:01] <Ms2ger> itym "machine", not "machines"
1314. # [19:02] <gcp> well we say "dont use x64 as its slower", but this certainly won't help
1315. # [19:02] <Ms2ger> We say "don't use win64 because we don't care about it"
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1320. # [19:06] <RyanVM> George Bush doesn't care about Win64
1321. # [19:07] <Ms2ger> Come on, you can do better
1322. # [19:07] <Ms2ger> "You know who also didn't care about Win64?"
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1325. # [19:07] <Ms2ger> "Hitler."
1326. # [19:07] <RyanVM> But Bush == Hitler, right?
1327. # [19:08] <RyanVM> or so I heard, anyway
1328. # [19:08] * Ms2ger stops here
1329. # [19:08] <RyanVM> heh
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1331. # [19:09] <RyanVM> careful, lest irc.m.o become the next mozilla-sponsored political hotbed ;)
1332. # [19:09] <Ms2ger> My work here is done :)
1333. # [19:09] * Ms2ger goes and looks at webkit memes instead
1334. # [19:10] <RyanVM> and now for the real moment of truth, can I with a masters degree in engineering, figure out how to build a #$*(! pack-n-play?
1335. # [19:10] <Ms2ger> No
1336. # [19:11] <RyanVM> first line of the instructions
1337. # [19:11] <mounir> RyanVM: Masters Degree in Enigeering isn't going to help you for anything
1338. # [19:11] <RyanVM> "THIS PRODUCT REQUIRES ADULT ASSEMBLY"
1339. # [19:11] <philor> Asa: how's that message about what the product team wants done with Win64 coming along?
1340. # [19:11] <Ms2ger> http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0n2apfZ6n1rqvy12o1_500.jpg
1341. # [19:12] <Ms2ger> Ryan, indeed, if people like mounir can get such a degree...
1342. # [19:12] <mounir> yes, they give that to anybody nowadays
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1345. # [19:13] <RyanVM> heh
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1347. # [19:15] <Ms2ger> And s/Ryan/RyanVM/
1348. # [19:15] <Ms2ger> Hi bholley :)
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1360. # [19:26] <decoder> Ms2ger: im trying to remove "harmful" interfaces
1361. # [19:26] <decoder> e.g. i dont want filesystem interaction to be available
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1367. # [19:36] <vikram360> hey, I was just wondering if it would be a good idea to propose to implement Ian Barlows "enhanced search in the ff awesomebar"? (link: http://ianbarlow.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/enhanced-search-in-the-firefox-awesomebar/)
1368. # [19:36] <vikram360> as my gsoc proposal
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1372. # [19:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b9357da14ab8 - Benoit Jacob - Bug 711656 - Fix bug in D2D blocklisting check - no review
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1388. # [20:10] <philor> ah, there's the start of the bug 726444 talos regressions, we can just hound it out of the tree for them and then pretend the leak was its too
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1397. # [20:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6737b6762eb8 - Doug Turner - Bug 726502 - nsDeviceMotion::DeviceMotionChanged may index out of bounds mWindowListeners array. r=smaug
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1417. # [20:44] <Ms2ger> bjacob, need a reviewer for bug 711656
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1423. # [20:51] <bjacob> Ms2ger: i flagged Bas
1424. # [20:53] <Ms2ger> You didn't
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1430. # [21:02] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: Victory
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1434. # [21:03] <Ms2ger> Pack-n-play?
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1441. # [21:09] <RyanVM> yes
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1445. # [21:14] <RyanVM> decoder : bustage on inbound
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1447. # [21:14] <RyanVM> gkw: ^
1448. # [21:15] <gkw> RyanVM: ok, will backout
1449. # [21:15] <RyanVM> In file included from ../../../js/src/jsutil.h:49:0,
1450. # [21:15] <RyanVM> from ../../../js/src/jsarray.cpp:106:
1451. # [21:15] <RyanVM> ./../../dist/include/js/Utility.h: In function 'void PrintBacktrace()':
1452. # [21:15] <RyanVM> ./../../dist/include/js/Utility.h:129:44: error: 'backtrace' was not declared in this scope
1453. # [21:15] <RyanVM> ./../../dist/include/js/Utility.h:130:66: error: 'backtrace_symbols' was not declared in this scope
1454. # [21:15] <RyanVM> unless that's an easy fix :)
1455. # [21:16] <gkw> RyanVM: any way to see if which patch caused it?
1456. # [21:16] <gkw> i pushed 2 at a time
1457. # [21:16] <RyanVM> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6169d8aa7a9d
1458. # [21:17] <Ms2ger> Back the two of them out, please
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1461. # [21:17] <gkw> sure
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1467. # [21:22] <gkw> done
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1472. # [21:23] <hessam> I've updated source code and I get strange build errors http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1512720
1473. # [21:24] <Ms2ger> Evening bz
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1478. # [21:28] <RyanVM> gkw: I'm stopping all builds on the bad push. I'll star them when they're finished.
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1481. # [21:29] <gkw> RyanVM: sounds great, thanks!
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1483. # [21:30] <Ms2ger> Don't
1484. # [21:30] <Ms2ger> RyanVM
1485. # [21:31] <RyanVM> don't what?
1486. # [21:31] <Ms2ger> Don't ever cancel builds outside of try
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1488. # [21:31] <RyanVM> why?
1489. # [21:31] <Ms2ger> That can cause build failures when the slave is next used, on an unrelated push/tree
1490. # [21:32] <RyanVM> i see
1491. # [21:32] <RyanVM> too late this time, but noted for the future
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1497. # [21:38] <decoder> gkw: RyanVM: very strange.. let me check if I picked the wrong patch by accident -.-
1498. # [21:38] <gkw> decoder: i'd suggest try server each one, just to be sure
1499. # [21:38] <decoder> gkw: fyi it's bug 733493
1500. # [21:39] <decoder> the other one is totally unrelated :)
1501. # [21:40] <philor> on the bright side, bug 734679 means self-serve is probably just going to ignore you
1502. # [21:40] <decoder> gkw: submitting the wrong patch to try wont help ;)
1503. # [21:41] <decoder> the problem is very simple
1504. # [21:41] <decoder> the ifdef is in the wrong place
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1506. # [21:41] <gkw> decoder: sure, but i have to run soon
1507. # [21:41] <decoder> i solved this locally but the refresh didnt work it seems
1508. # [21:41] <gkw> i won't be able to get to it till later
1509. # [21:41] <decoder> gkw: thats no prob :)
1510. # [21:41] <decoder> gkw: can you please reland the other one you backed out?
1511. # [21:41] <gkw> decoder: i can't watch the tree
1512. # [21:42] <gkw> unless some folks here can
1513. # [21:42] <decoder> gkw: you do not need to watch the tree on inbound
1514. # [21:45] <gkw> really have to run
1515. # [21:45] <gkw> see ya
1516. # [21:45] <decoder> cya
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1518. # [21:49] <decoder> can somebody reland the bugs 727326 and 733493 to inbound? :)
1519. # [21:50] <decoder> the latter was causing the build bustage but it was just an ifdef not in the right place, confirmed now that it's fixed
1520. # [21:50] <decoder> the other is unrelated
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1525. # [21:56] <RyanVM> decoder: i'll do it
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1527. # [21:58] <decoder> RyanVM: thx :) and sorry for the trouble :)
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1530. # [22:00] <RyanVM> decoder: special commit message too :P
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1536. # [22:06] <decoder> RyanVM: haha :D
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1540. # [22:07] <decoder> thx
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1549. # [22:13] <Ms2ger> Evening roc
1550. # [22:14] <@roc> hi
1551. # [22:14] * mattwoodrow|away is now known as mattwoodrow
1552. # [22:14] <Ms2ger> Still enjoying France?
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1555. # [22:14] <@roc> very much so
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1557. # [22:14] <@roc> currently in Lutzelbourg
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1560. # [22:16] <Ms2ger> !summon bjacob
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1563. # [22:17] <bjacob> Ms2ger: pong, but dealing about 11 blockers only tonight
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1566. # [22:19] <Ms2ger> It seems like texSubImage2D doesn't accept a null ArrayBuffer, but the spec wants it to
1567. # [22:19] <Ms2ger> Want to have a look when you've got time?
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1575. # [22:23] <jbuck> Ms2ger: you mean the part that says "If pixels is null, a buffer of sufficient size initialized to 0 is passed." ?
1576. # [22:23] <Ms2ger> Indeed so
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1580. # [22:24] <Ms2ger> We appear to happily handle null for texImage2D, but not for texSubImage2D
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1584. # [22:26] <jbuck> hm
1585. # [22:26] <jbuck> doesn't look like that case is covered by a conformance test...
1586. # [22:26] <Ms2ger> Doesn't surprise me anymore
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1588. # [22:32] <bjacob> Ms2ger: looking
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1590. # [22:33] <bjacob> Ms2ger: are you looking at custom QS or the regular code?
1591. # [22:33] <Ms2ger> Custom qs
1592. # [22:33] <Ms2ger> The bane of my existence
1593. # [22:34] <jbuck> oh, I was looking at the C++ code at: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/canvas/src/WebGLContextGL.cpp#5241
1594. # [22:34] <mounir> Ms2ger: I thought I was the bane of your existence :(
1595. # [22:34] <Ms2ger> mounir, you and custom quickstubs :)
1596. # [22:34] <bjacob> Ms2ger: i see, line 592:
1597. # [22:35] <bjacob> } else if (argc > 8 &&
1598. # [22:35] <bjacob> !JSVAL_IS_PRIMITIVE(argv[8]))
1599. # [22:35] <Ms2ger> mounir, don't you ever write a custom quickstub, I'd die :)
1600. # [22:35] <bjacob> null is primitive
1601. # [22:35] <Ms2ger> Correct
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1603. # [22:36] <mounir> Ms2ger: I guess I just found something to talk about with jst ;)
1604. # [22:36] * Ms2ger ruffles mounir's hair
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1608. # [22:39] <mounir> Ms2ger: you are not going to change anything ;)
1609. # [22:39] <Ms2ger> :)
1610. # [22:40] <bjacob> Ms2ger: where in the spec do you see that texSUBimage accepts null?
1611. # [22:40] <Ms2ger> mounir, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1512814 r?
1612. # [22:40] <Ms2ger> bjacob, it defers to texImage, I think
1613. # [22:40] <bjacob> Ms2ger: really? where?
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1615. # [22:40] <bjacob> oh
1616. # [22:40] <bjacob> i see
1617. # [22:40] <bjacob> See texImage2D for restrictions on the format and pixels arguments.
1618. # [22:41] <Ms2ger> Correct
1619. # [22:41] <bjacob> that is too vague for my taste
1620. # [22:41] <Ms2ger> Too vague for mine, too
1621. # [22:41] <bjacob> i'll write to the ml
1622. # [22:41] <Ms2ger> But so is the entire spec :)
1623. # [22:41] <Ms2ger> Thanks
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1626. # [22:42] * Ms2ger grumbles
1627. # [22:42] <Ms2ger> peterv, ping?
1628. # [22:43] <mounir> Ms2ger: r=me
1629. # [22:43] <Ms2ger> mounir, ta
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1633. # [22:46] <Ms2ger> mrbkap, yt?
1634. # [22:47] <mounir> Ms2ger: I bet he is not
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1636. # [22:47] <Ms2ger> I suspected as much
1637. # [22:48] <Ms2ger> Anyone else who can review quickstubs code?
1638. # [22:48] <Ms2ger> bholley? :)
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1641. # [22:49] <mounir> this guy is trying to get a review done on something no one wants to review on a Saturday night
1642. # [22:49] <mounir> good luck :)
1643. # [22:49] <Ms2ger> Correct
1644. # [22:50] * Ms2ger lands it with r=mounir
1645. # [22:50] <mounir> you don't like your level 3 commit access?
1646. # [22:51] <Ms2ger> I didn't want it, remember? :)
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1662. # [23:03] <bjacob> Ms2ger: i don't have that kind of leverage :)
1663. # [23:04] <bjacob> i'm sorry too that you feel the need to forget about webgl so quickly :)
1664. # [23:04] <mounir> bjacob: do you need mrbkap's phone number? :)
1665. # [23:05] <bjacob> mounir: i just got help from him/peterv/bholley on another bug so my credits are low atm
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1667. # [23:05] <Ms2ger> Well, that was their fault for making wrappercache so damn complicated
1668. # [23:06] <mounir> Ms2ger: wanna call mrbkap in the middle of the night? :)
1669. # [23:06] <Ms2ger> Middle of the night? smaug is only barely waking up!
1670. # [23:07] <mounir> Ms2ger: knowing you, you would wait a few hours before calling just to make sure
1671. # [23:08] <Ms2ger> Nah, I'm going to bed once try accepts my fourteenth or so push today
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1673. # [23:08] <Ms2ger> Ah, there we go
1674. # [23:09] <Ms2ger> bjacob, I reckon I'll push the rest next weekend, then
1675. # [23:11] <bjacob> Ms2ger: that's good enough for me, i'm on vacation anyway.
1676. # [23:11] <Ms2ger> Vacation? What's that?
1677. # [23:11] <bjacob> heh
1678. # [23:11] <bjacob> 2 days ahead of a release, it's moot
1679. # [23:11] <Ms2ger> AIs don't get that :(
1680. # [23:12] <Ms2ger> Anyway, this AI bids you all good night
1681. # [23:12] <bjacob> gnight
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1697. # [23:31] <philor> bjacob: http://jlebar.com/2011/5/20/Faster_and_smaller_clones_of_branches.html on a clone of your beta clone is usually way faster than making a full clone of release
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1699. # [23:32] <bjacob> philor: how is that possible, when beta has csets that are not (yet) on release?
1700. # [23:33] <bjacob> i do that to get a inbound clone from a m-c clone
1701. # [23:33] <philor> bjacob: hg strip --no-backup 'roots(outgoing())' takes out everything that's not in m-r
1702. # [23:33] <bjacob> hah
1703. # [23:33] <bjacob> alright, will do next time
1704. # [23:34] <bjacob> though to be honest, we're talking about landing a last minute fix on -release now... i would do anything nonstandard
1705. # [23:34] <bjacob> wouldn't
1706. # [23:34] <philor> I worried about that the first time or two, but if hg outgoing lies to you, then we're all sunk, all the time
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1709. # [23:35] <philor> but my second time was only beta, not release :)
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1715. # [23:40] <RyanVM> philor: crap
1716. # [23:40] <RyanVM> here we go again...
1717. # [23:41] <philor> it's only hg.m.o, what's the worst that could happen?
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1723. # [23:44] <nthomas|away> what's the bug number filed for this ?
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1725. # [23:50] <RyanVM> nthomas: I've been using bug 729565
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1727. # [23:51] <philor> which "this" - talos fails, talos should retry, or hg.m.o has been going down for a few minutes every day or multiple times a day since last Tuesday?
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1733. # [23:56] <nthomas|away> philor: the latter
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