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  1. # Session Start: Sun Mar 11 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #developers
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  9. # [00:04] <nthomas|away> philor, RyanVM - do you concur that hg.m.o is not functional right now ?
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  11. # [00:04] <RyanVM> intermittently, yes
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  13. # [00:05] <RyanVM> i'm assuming that's why tbpl has been randomly failing to update for me as well
  14. # [00:05] <Asa> I want an add-on that auto-bug-linkifies any "bug <number>" on the web
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  17. # [00:06] <kwierso> Asa: that shouldn't be too hard to make
  18. # [00:07] <Mook> didn't there used to be a greasemonkey script that did that?
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  21. # [00:09] <RyanVM> philor: when a new randomorange bug is filed, how long does it take for tbpl to find it in the starring interface?
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  23. # [00:11] <philor> RyanVM: the next time, there's no caching right now, but it won't find it for one you've already opened
  24. # [00:12] <RyanVM> ok
  25. # [00:12] <philor> nthomas: looks like it was only 3 minutes this time, it's getting quicker
  26. # [00:12] <nthomas> a small mercy
  27. # [00:12] <philor> RyanVM: and you put the [orange] in the whiteboard, right? that's what finds it
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  31. # [00:12] <RyanVM> yes, though I better check since I've done a few today
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  36. # [00:14] <nthomas> philor: is this about right ? bug 731991 means we fail to clone tools on build jobs, abort the job, fail to reboot, retry a bunch until hg.m.o comes back; on talos jobs it means we fail to pull the json file, needs retriggering ?
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  40. # [00:22] <pierron> \o/ https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/bfb2cdea0e4f
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  45. # [00:23] <philor> nthomas: oh, count_and_reboot.py. yeah, dunno about the bug since I'm not authorized to view it, but that's right for impact, we retry builds (without rebooting) and we retry unittests, but talos just fails
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  47. # [00:28] <NeilAway> do we have a method to compare two hosts to see whether they are same-domain?
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  55. # [00:40] <darktrojan> NeilAway, looking for this? https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsIEffectiveTLDService
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  58. # [00:42] <froydnj> NeilAway: or mozIThirdPartyUtil.isThirdPartyURI?
  59. # [00:43] <nthomas> philor: looks like there's some problem with the load balancing for http/https on hg.m.o, only two of the several backend nodes were getting used and they'd get overwhelmed occasionally and we'd have 0 live backends
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  67. # [00:49] <NeilAway> froydnj: nice
  68. # [00:49] <froydnj> or maybe other useful things in there
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  77. # [01:00] <mbait> Hi there! I'm using FF because there are some addons making my work more effecient. And I found out that there is no option to make FF highlight the root window. In Linux it is called "urgency hint". Instead there is 'beep' method wich calls system bell. So I decided to make a patch that would add optional preference of flashing the window on system bell. I almost done it https://github.com/mbait/mozilla-central/tree/urgent-on-beep, but I experience p
  78. # [01:00] <mbait> So there are two questions: can you accept a kind of that patch? how can I access root window object from nsSound.cpp?
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  81. # [01:06] <kale> hi guys. my firefox uses about 1400m of memory. should i make a bug report?
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  87. # [01:09] <jbuck> kale: depdends, do you have lots of tabs open? you could check about:memory to see if there's anything that stands out
  88. # [01:09] <BenWa> Do we have an atomic set for a pointer type? We have PR_AtomicSet but that's int32.
  89. # [01:10] <kale> jbuck: i have two tabs open, have had many tabs opened/closed. about:memory speaks of "heap"
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  91. # [01:11] <kale> jbuck: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/563940/
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  93. # [01:12] <kwierso> kale: what extensions do you have installed/enabled?
  94. # [01:13] <kale> kwierso: java, flash, downloadmanager
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  96. # [01:13] <kale> kwierso: sorry, make that "video download helper"
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  98. # [01:15] <kwierso> kale: does memory use go up like that if you disable the download helper extension and restart firefox?
  99. # [01:16] <kale> kwierso: i would not know
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  101. # [01:17] <kale> kwierso: firefox has been running for quite some time now, should i try to remove the plugin and see if the problem persists?
  102. # [01:17] <kwierso> kale: would be good to try to rule it out, at least
  103. # [01:18] <kale> kwierso: ok, thanks, i will remove it tomorrow, restart firefox, and get back to you if its memory consumption is still climbing
  104. # [01:19] <kwierso> kale: njn would probably be a better person to talk about this stuff with, if you see him in here
  105. # [01:19] <kwierso> :)
  106. # [01:19] <NeilAway> mbait: does getAttention() not do what you want?
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  108. # [01:23] <mbait> NeilAway: trying to find its sources. In order to get what I want 'gtk_set_urgency_hint' must be called finally.
  109. # [01:25] <RyanVM> kale: holy heap unclassified. What version are you running?
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  111. # [01:26] <mbait> NeilAway: it really does. The only remaining probelm is that the most of addons used by me offer either system or bell sound.
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  119. # [01:40] <JonathanS> RyanVM, holy heap batman!
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  156. # [02:43] <jlebar|sleep> \nick jlebar
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  158. # [02:43] <jlebar> rclick, I hope they get that tryserver thing resolved for you soon. I'll ping IT on Monday.
  159. # [02:43] <jlebar> rclick, Sorry it's been slow. :-/
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  161. # [02:48] <hub> anybody with xpcshell-test knowledge
  162. # [02:49] <hub> I'm trying to get just one test to run and it does not work
  163. # [02:49] <philor> hope everybody got their pre-merge talos regressions landed right after the download panel, where you can just blame bad aim on the part of the regression script
  164. # [02:49] <darktrojan> oh the new download stuff has landed at last?
  165. # [02:51] <philor> yeah, not sure how soon mak plans on backing it out for the expected and resulted talos regressions, but it's in on inbound right now
  166. # [02:51] <rclick> jlebar, thanks.
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  171. # [03:00] <philor> oh joy, another Win7 slave gets an unremovable file
  172. # [03:01] <philor> I think we've run that test long enough now, is there a pattern I can copy to abort an xpcshell test based on the version of Windows?
  173. # [03:01] <philor> oh, or can I use the manifest to do that now?
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  176. # [03:04] <philor> heh, I can just copy the way a part split out from it is already skipped on all versions while claiming to only skip Win7 :)
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  202. # [03:47] <RyanVM> mats: you don't have to use [inbound] anymore
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  205. # [03:49] <mats> oh, ok. thanks
  206. # [03:50] <RyanVM> philor: browser/components/downloads/test/browser/browser_delete_key_removes.js | The download was properly removed - Got 6, expected 5
  207. # [03:50] <RyanVM> what are the odds it's a real pgo-only failure?
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  209. # [03:51] <RyanVM> on xp only
  210. # [03:51] <philor> RyanVM: isn't there mention of random failure in...
  211. # [03:51] * philor loads more tbpl
  212. # [03:51] <RyanVM> i don't recall seeing that one yet...
  213. # [03:51] <philor> ...bug 726444 somewhere toward the middle talking about try pushes?
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  215. # [03:52] <philor> no, I wasn't looking for a randomorange, I was looking for the download panel's foreknowledge that along with regressing the piss out of talos, it was going to have a randomorange
  216. # [03:53] <RyanVM> i'll file it
  217. # [03:53] <RyanVM> unless you'd like to do the honors :P
  218. # [03:53] <philor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726444#c42
  219. # [03:53] <philor> sure, I don't mind anymore
  220. # [03:53] <philor> you get numb, but the numbing isn't a pleasant process :)
  221. # [03:54] <RyanVM> lol
  222. # [03:54] <RyanVM> but yeah, the conversation in the bug wrt to that failure is mildly disappointing
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  224. # [03:55] <philor> only mildly, because after that part you get to the part about landing what's certain to be a talos regression just before a merge?
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  226. # [03:57] <philor> done
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  228. # [03:58] <philor> RyanVM: thanks for a great job of keeping up with the tree today, my boss was impressed by how much work I got done at work today ;)
  229. # [03:58] <RyanVM> haha
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  231. # [03:59] <RyanVM> is it sad that this is what I do on my day off? :P
  232. # [03:59] <@dolske> philor: don't get into the habit, please. :)
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  256. # [04:50] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora
  257. # [04:50] <philor> plus a down arrow
  258. # [04:50] <philor> can anyone guess what I have to say?
  259. # [04:51] <Mook> hmm, for pymake, http://hg.mozilla.org/users/bsmedberg_mozilla.com/pymake/file/87d436cd8974/pymake/parserdata.py#l99, Statement has no __slots__, so Rule's __slots__ isn't actually useful, according to http://docs.python.org/reference/datamodel.html#slots ?
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  264. # [05:00] <RyanVM> philor: crappy starring since Wednesday?
  265. # [05:01] <philor> yeah, I thought it was none, so it turns out I didn't know what I had to say - "you lazy sloppy bastards make Serge look good by comparison" was not what I expected
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  279. # [05:09] <avih> How costly is accessing Preferences::Get<something>(..) ?
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  281. # [05:10] <darktrojan> 5
  282. # [05:10] <avih> :)
  283. # [05:10] <avih> not 42?
  284. # [05:10] <avih> i mean, is it optimized for really fast access?
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  286. # [05:11] <avih> can it take more than 1-2 ms?
  287. # [05:12] <jbuck> someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it accesses the preferences on the main thread, so it's a bad idea for anything perf intensive
  288. # [05:13] <avih> but can it choke on IO? or is that a ram chunk that's just being searched?
  289. # [05:14] <avih> e.g. if it's a has map, then i'd consider it optimized enough.
  290. # [05:15] <avih> hash*
  291. # [05:15] * ewong|sleep is now known as ewong
  292. # [05:15] <ewong> dougt ping
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  297. # [05:20] <jbuck> avih: looks like it's using a hash: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/modules/libpref/src/prefapi.cpp#503
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  302. # [05:22] <avih> jbuck: cheers. so i'd imagine this hash would almost never get swapped out of ram, so it should be pretty instant, right?
  303. # [05:22] <dougt> ewong: hi
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  305. # [05:23] <jbuck> avih: I would hope not, but anything's possible! But it should be easy enough to add preference caching if performance is a problem for your particular need
  306. # [05:23] <ewong> dougt hi.. just wondering.. is there an updated link for : http://people.mozilla.org/~dougt/notification.html
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  309. # [05:24] <dougt> ewong: yes.
  310. # [05:24] <dougt> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8727858/mozilla/notification/notification.html
  311. # [05:25] <ewong> dougt ahh thanks! was looking at bug #594543
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  314. # [05:25] <dougt> ewong: you implementing it on the desktop?
  315. # [05:25] <ewong> dougt just looking.. dunno if I have the skillset to implement it
  316. # [05:26] <avih> jbuck: my case is smooth scrolling. current it access prefs 4 times whenever a new smooth scroll event arrives (e.g. mouse wheel, page down, etc). I'm considering removing the prefs access when extending an already running animation, and limit it to only when starting a new animation. when holding a key down, the repeat rate can go as low as 20ms probably, so the question is if 50 times/s can be considered a bit much for prefs access..
  317. # [05:26] <dougt> ewong: there is only one way to find out...
  318. # [05:26] <ewong> dougt ;) yeah..
  319. # [05:26] <dougt> and I have full faith that people will help you go over any obstacle in your way.
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  321. # [05:27] <dougt> well, everyone but that mfinkle guy.... ;)
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  323. # [05:27] <ewong> lol
  324. # [05:27] <jbuck> avih: that could probably do with some caching. isn't there a preferences change API that you could hook into? meaning that you wouldn't need to get the smooth scrolling preference all the time
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  326. # [05:29] <jbuck> or maybe just http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/modules/libpref/public/Preferences.h#283 ?
  327. # [05:29] <ewong> dougt does the link work with FF 10?
  328. # [05:29] <avih> jbuck: observing prefs changes wouldn't work too good on my case, since i'm reading different prefs according to different smooth scroll requests, so that would require me to cashe at least 10 different values. but limiting prefs read to only when an animation starts sounds reasonable to me. agree?
  329. # [05:29] <dougt> ewong: no.
  330. # [05:30] <dougt> ewong: on mobile it does
  331. # [05:30] <avih> cache*
  332. # [05:30] <dougt> because, you know, mobile totally kicks ass.
  333. # [05:30] <ewong> of course.. ;)
  334. # [05:30] <jbuck> avih: are they all under the same namespace? looks like the observer api can wildcard prefs
  335. # [05:30] <ewong> but once implemented it would work.. right?
  336. # [05:31] <jbuck> so if all your prefs are something like mouse.smoothscroll.* then that might work well for you
  337. # [05:31] <avih> if by namespace you mean if they all start with the same string prefix, then yes.
  338. # [05:31] <jbuck> yeah, that's what I mean
  339. # [05:33] <avih> however, since i think there's no point in caching 15 different values (correction from 10), and accessing them only when a new animation starts shouldn't be costly with a hash, and considering the code addition for an observer, wouldn't you think that 1st time only is best code?
  340. # [05:33] <dougt> ewong: yeah
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  342. # [05:33] <dougt> ewong: you probably could just stub out the implementation to do an alert() or something
  343. # [05:34] <ewong> dougt was looking at the code for the fennec impl.. I noticed that it was in the geolocationprompt part, this implies that it's geolocation -based?
  344. # [05:34] <dougt> ewong: what it really needs is madhava or limi to give you a spec
  345. # [05:34] <dougt> ewong: nope.
  346. # [05:34] <dougt> on android, we use the android notification service
  347. # [05:34] <jbuck> my gut instinct is that accessing that many prefs could be bad perf-wise, but I honestly can't say yes or no without actually measuring it
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  349. # [05:35] <jbuck> but! get a working implementation first, then speed it up if necessary
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  351. # [05:36] <avih> jbuck: working implementation patc h is waiting for review already, i just don't feel too comfortable with 50 * 4 prefs access a sec..
  352. # [05:37] <jbuck> okay, in that case, before changing your implementation, get some data. why not just print some timestamps to console? it'll give you an idea of how long it's taking anyways
  353. # [05:37] <avih> but limiting to animation start only will get it to negligible
  354. # [05:38] <avih> jbuck: the most frequent access would be your kb repeat rate, *4
  355. # [05:38] <avih> nothing else to calculate beyond that
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  373. # [06:20] <avih> is it common to leave a commented out printf statement which can help in debug?
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  377. # [06:32] <jlebar> avih, We have prlog.h for that.
  378. # [06:33] <avih> jlebar: thx
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  391. # [06:50] <philor> huh, only 1 job running on try? is it broken?
  392. # [06:51] <philor> mmm, try: -b d -p none -u none -t none
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  433. # [07:59] <mbrubeck> was that the closing-heads push?
  434. # [08:00] <philor> nope
  435. # [08:00] <mbrubeck> ah, "Try to push to the try server with a git-hg bridge hosted on a remote computer"
  436. # [08:03] <philor> heh, don't think I've ever seen a push which explained what it was up to in a file it added
  437. # [08:04] <philor> well, not by just straightforwardly explaining it in English, anyway
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  475. # [09:00] <philor> wonder whether anything in the wild actually uses our not-to-spec registerContentHandler and registerProtocolHandler
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  485. # [09:08] <@dolske> philor: it's not to spec?
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  487. # [09:09] <philor> dolske: dunno how else it isn't, but http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/6737b6762eb8/browser/components/feeds/src/WebContentConverter.js#l346 is a lie, it should be a syntax error
  488. # [09:10] <@dolske> main problem I recall is that there's no way for a site to know if you don't want it (or may it was already have it?), and so it has to prompt over and over.
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  491. # [09:11] <philor> we're supposed to eat those, whichever way you said before, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't
  492. # [09:11] <@dolske> let's just blame sdwilsh and move on.
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  494. # [09:12] <philor> done!
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  499. # [09:15] <philor> oh, no, we're supposed to remember what you said to implement isWhicheverHandlerRegistered
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  529. # [09:45] <Ms2ger> Morning
  530. # [09:45] <Ms2ger> philor, thanks for starring my try push :)
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  532. # [09:45] <philor> Ms2ger: figured it would be nicer to wake up to that way
  533. # [09:46] <Ms2ger> It is!
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  536. # [09:47] <Ms2ger> m-c looks clear enough, then?
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  540. # [09:49] <philor> dunno if we can afford the extra load from an m-c push (profiling, the extra silly tests, getting merged around) - we've already got 18 jobs running, we're only ~760 away from capacity!
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  543. # [09:51] <Ms2ger> Heh
  544. # [09:53] <philor> in fact, I'm pretty sure from the load that this must be Christmas Eve, I should go to bed so Santa can come!
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  547. # [09:55] <Ms2ger> You wouldn't say we're two days away from a merge...
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  562. # [10:23] <u4cse10052> Hi
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  565. # [10:24] <smya> Hi. I am interested in Gsoc. I would like to work in firefox
  566. # [10:24] <smya> But found only a very few ideas
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  608. # [11:30] <Ms2ger> Yay, twisted.internet.error.ConnectionLost
  609. # [11:31] <smya> Will documentation get accepted in Gsoc
  610. # [11:32] <Ms2ger> I believe sheppy's trying to get that to happen
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  612. # [11:37] <mbait> hi there! Do anyone have an idea why I can call 'getAttention' with 'Pentadactyl' installed, but cannot without it?
  613. # [11:40] <gaston> is there an open bz# tracking the vuln found at pwn2own for fx11 ? (ie should packagers prepare for a candidate build2, or a 11.0.1...)
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  620. # [11:55] <gaston> hah, that'd been a while m-c had been broken on OpenBSD..
  621. # [11:55] <gaston> undefined reference to `SharedLibraryInfo::GetInfoForSelf()'
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  625. # [12:02] <Ms2ger> gaston, I presume there is, but they don't let me in on security bugs ;)
  626. # [12:02] <gaston> Ms2ger: you're not an insider enough ? :)
  627. # [12:02] <Ms2ger> Nope :)
  628. # [12:05] <Ms2ger> If you want to prepare for something, I guess 10.0.3 is a good start :)
  629. # [12:09] <gaston> 08:01 < firebot > 760b2f9b-a6e7-44e3-abca-9209c58fc7b4 (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
  630. # [12:09] <Ms2ger> Hmm, I wonder if we're vulnerable to the skia buffer overflow Google patched
  631. # [12:09] <gaston> dooh
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  646. # [12:38] <vikram360> I'm sorry to be asking this again (I didn't quite get a response the last time around). Could anybody give me any thoughts/advice on whether proposing to implement Ian Barlow's "enhanced search in the ff awesomebar" for gsoc would be a good idea?
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  650. # [12:43] <gcp> vikram360: I think your best bet is to mail ibarlow directly about this? Likely the team will want to debate how urgent this is and if there's internal personal available to do it. If that isn't an objection, they'll need to look for someone to guide you?
  651. # [12:44] <gcp> I work on this product but I have absolultely no idea how much work this is, how feasible it is for GSoC, and if it isn't such a priority that we'll want to have an experienced fulltimer on it.
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  654. # [12:47] <vikram360> gcp : do you by any chance have ian's email ? I tried googling it to no avail
  655. # [12:48] <gcp> ibarlow@mozilla.com
  656. # [12:48] <gcp> you can get that trivially from bugzilla
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  658. # [12:49] <vikram360> gcp : thanks. Should've thought of that :p
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  660. # [12:54] <Ms2ger> Hmm, lovely, burning win64 nightly
  661. # [12:56] <darktrojan> toasty
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  670. # [13:14] <Ms2ger> When in doubt, retrigger
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  699. # [13:50] <Ms2ger> Thanks, WG9s
  700. # [13:51] <WG9s> no problem
  701. # [13:51] <WG9s> but I do notice that that bug seems to be showing up a lot in recnet builds. going to go back and see where this started.
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  703. # [13:52] <Ms2ger> Hmm, yes, doesn't ring a bell
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  706. # [13:56] <WG9s> Ms2ger: that was in relation to the bug 641337 occurrences. 14 entries on the bug from today.
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  719. # [14:20] <smya> Ms2ger: "I believe sheppy's trying to get that to happen". Can you please tell sheppy's nickname
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  722. # [14:23] <Ms2ger> Well, "sheppy"
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  724. # [14:23] <Ms2ger> But 8AM on a Sunday morning might not be the best time to catch him
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  726. # [14:24] <smya> ok. But I am in a different time zone. Any other way to contact him?
  727. # [14:24] <Ms2ger> firebot, sheppy?
  728. # [14:24] <firebot> Ms2ger: I seem to recall that sheppy is Eric Shepherd, eshepherd@mozilla.com - Documentation wizard
  729. # [14:24] <Ms2ger> firebot, botsnack
  730. # [14:24] <firebot> :)
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  732. # [14:24] <Ms2ger> smya, you can email him on that address
  733. # [14:25] <smya> Ok. Thanks a lot!
  734. # [14:25] <Ms2ger> Np
  735. # [14:26] <Ms2ger> Hmm
  736. # [14:26] <Ms2ger> WG9s, have you seen bug 641337 come up on non-pgo builds?
  737. # [14:28] <Ms2ger> Hmm, I guess that isn't it
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  740. # [14:30] <WG9s> something seems to have changed at some point.
  741. # [14:30] <WG9s> not sure what
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  749. # [14:49] <WG9s> Ms2ger: I think this started when Bug 726502 relanded.
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  751. # [14:52] <WG9s> Ms2ger: do you have access to that bug?
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  755. # [14:58] <Ms2ger> Nope
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  758. # [14:59] <Ms2ger> bjacob, how nice of you to announce the conf call anyway :)
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  780. # [15:37] <msucan> i'm trying to play webm videos on youtube and i get
  781. # [15:37] <msucan> ###!!! ABORT: X_GLXMakeCurrent: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied): file /home/robod/src/mozilla-fx-team/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 190
  782. # [15:38] <msucan> what could be broken?
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  792. # [15:52] <NeilAway> bah, you're not allowed to negate :not, otherwise you could implement any(foo,bar) using :not(:not(foo):not(bar))
  793. # [15:53] * bjacob doesn't even want to know what programming language that is
  794. # [15:54] <@smaug> bjacob: CSS :)
  795. # [15:54] <bjacob> oh
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  797. # [15:54] <bjacob> i should learn about those web things i've heard about
  798. # [15:55] <@smaug> nah, the web thing is just random collection of broken APIs
  799. # [15:55] <bjacob> i think that's generally true of all successful languages/apis
  800. # [15:55] <bjacob> see Win32, and see C++
  801. # [15:57] <bjacob> msucan: run with MOZ_X_SYNC=1 and get a backtrace
  802. # [15:57] <bjacob> msucan: then file a core:graphics bug and attach your about:support
  803. # [15:57] <msucan> bjacob: i'm on an unsupported graphics driver
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  805. # [15:57] <msucan> nvidia drivers from ubuntu 10.04 lts
  806. # [15:58] <bjacob> msucan: we don't do any GL accel by default for video on linux
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  808. # [15:58] <msucan> i have force-enabled layers accel
  809. # [15:58] <bjacob> so i don't expect this to have anything to do with your GL drivers
  810. # [15:58] <bjacob> AH!
  811. # [15:58] <msucan> aha
  812. # [15:58] <msucan> :)
  813. # [15:58] <bjacob> well, that is unsupported atm. you can always file a bug, but it's not likely to be acted upon at this point
  814. # [15:59] <bjacob> however, if this persists without accel layers, that's different
  815. # [15:59] <msucan> bjacob: it works well, but on youtube, if i go for 720p hd, it breaks. 480p works
  816. # [15:59] <bjacob> ok
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  818. # [15:59] <msucan> agreed, will test without accel and if it persists, then i'll file a bug
  819. # [15:59] <bjacob> thanks
  820. # [15:59] <msucan> not sure it's worth to file a bug for a known "weird combination-known to break"
  821. # [16:00] <msucan> (having force-enabled acceleration was a risk i took ;) )
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  823. # [16:00] <bjacob> yeah, only file bug if reproducible in supported config
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  826. # [16:01] <msucan> is wayland (much) better than xorg?
  827. # [16:02] <msucan> (i haven't tried it)
  828. # [16:02] <bjacob> i haven't tested it myself, but all i've seen about it seems like doing what has been working well on other platforms for 10+ years, so it sounds good
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  875. # [17:04] <Ms2ger> Morning philor
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  877. # [17:08] <philor> Ms2ger: good morning!
  878. # [17:08] <philor> BenWa: it burns!
  879. # [17:08] <BenWa> Ahh no, silly me for fixing bitrot by hand :(
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  881. # [17:11] <philor> grr, disabling a test isn't nearly instant enough - I want to push to inbound, and have that be it, disabled on every branch
  882. # [17:14] <Ms2ger> BenWa, are you fixing?
  883. # [17:14] <Ms2ger> I see you have
  884. # [17:14] <BenWa> Ms2ger: pushed backout
  885. # [17:14] <Ms2ger> Thanks
  886. # [17:14] <Ms2ger> (And don't cancel the builds)
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  909. # [17:52] <pallanikumaran> what do i do if have made all the changes for a bug but did not hg qnew before that?
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  914. # [17:54] <bjacob> pallanikumaran: doing hg qnew now will grab your changes
  915. # [17:54] <bjacob> pallanikumaran: you need to hg add any new files you created
  916. # [17:55] <pallanikumaran> bjacob: i didn't add any files
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  918. # [17:55] <pallanikumaran> bjacob: so hg qnew should be enough? thanks
  919. # [17:57] <philor> huh, we only hit one DST timebomb this time?
  920. # [17:57] <pallanikumaran> bjacob: but when i do a hg qnew it says that "working directory revision is not qtip"
  921. # [17:58] <bjacob> pallanikumaran: hm
  922. # [17:59] <bjacob> pallanikumaran: so, your working copy is not at the revision that your patch queue is based on
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  925. # [17:59] <bjacob> so you can't use queues right now
  926. # [17:59] <bjacob> I would:
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  928. # [17:59] <bjacob> hg diff > ~/my-local-patch
  929. # [17:59] <bjacob> hg revert -a
  930. # [17:59] <bjacob> hg qpop -a
  931. # [18:00] <bjacob> update to the revision you want to base your queue against. typically you want tip, so just to: hg up
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  933. # [18:00] <bjacob> hg qimport ~/my-local-patch
  934. # [18:00] <bjacob> now you can hg qpush
  935. # [18:00] <bjacob> note that hg revert -a will LOSE all local changes
  936. # [18:00] <pallanikumaran> bjacob: alright. i will try that.
  937. # [18:01] <bjacob> so it's very important you do the hg diff > ~/mypatch before that
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  939. # [18:01] <bjacob> pallanikumaran: if you want to just update to whatever revision your queue is currently based on, do:
  940. # [18:01] <bjacob> hg up qbase
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  951. # [18:10] <NeilAway> Bug List: (791 of 30693) wtf?
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  961. # [18:15] <philor> sigh, and I completely forgot to prepare for the hideous way that tbpl still hardcodes the offset for MTV time, again
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  963. # [18:17] <nigelb> switch to utc ^-^
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  965. # [18:19] <philor> sure thing: first, we get all the infra we report on, which runs in Pacific time just like it has since before Mozilla existed, to switch, and then we'll switch right over
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  968. # [18:20] <nigelb> something tells me that's painful, very painful.
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  970. # [18:21] <philor> can't remember whether there's a dependency there on switching all our users to running their computers on UTC, but I think so
  971. # [18:21] <philor> heh, fleeing the scene, Mr. wrote-the-hardcoding?
  972. # [18:22] <nigelb> Who? Mossop?
  973. # [18:22] <philor> no, mstange
  974. # [18:22] <nigelb> ah, lol
  975. # [18:22] <philor> Mossop's the only one who *admits* he's fleeing the scene, but other people do it
  976. # [18:23] <nigelb> hehe
  977. # [18:23] <Mossop> As far as I know all the tests I wrote that used to blow up at time changes have all been fixed now ;)
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  980. # [18:25] <Jeffrey> Is anyone able to help out with the command for installing nightly on ubuntu?
  981. # [18:25] <Jeffrey> make install doesnt seem to work
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  985. # [18:27] <nigelb> Jeffrey: Hey, so what did you download? the tar from nightly.mozilla.org?
  986. # [18:27] <nigelb> You don't need to install it per se. Just run the firefox file and it should open firefox.
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  989. # [18:29] <Jeffrey> I am pulling from mercurial, I need to install for bug 727335 because the unitiy quicklist options won't appear otherwise. Theyre added to the install desnigelb:ktop file
  990. # [18:29] <nigelb> hrm, even from hg, I don't think make install will work for you
  991. # [18:29] <nigelb> sec, let me look at the bug
  992. # [18:30] <Jeffrey> nigelb: ok, thank you
  993. # [18:30] <nigelb> ah, mhall filed the bug!. Ha.
  994. # [18:31] <nigelb> Jeffrey: okay, so you need to edit the desktop file in the package
  995. # [18:31] <Jeffrey> what do you mean by that? sorry, this is my first bug
  996. # [18:32] <nigelb> heh, this is slightly complicated than the usual starter bug, becuase its an ubuntu thing.
  997. # [18:32] <nigelb> dholbert pointed to the right thing on the bug
  998. # [18:33] <nigelb> and you should probably talk to the mozillateam that's linked on the bug
  999. # [18:33] <nigelb> micahg: You around?
  1000. # [18:33] <Jeffrey> nigelb: I've tried in their IRC but haven't gotten a response.
  1001. # [18:34] <nigelb> probably because it's the weekend
  1002. # [18:34] <Jeffrey> I also tried out what dholbert pointed to but couldn't really get any traction
  1003. # [18:34] <Jeffrey> I guess I can try them tomorrow also then
  1004. # [18:34] <nigelb> I'll try to ask mike to add into the bug what you need to do :)
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  1006. # [18:36] <Jeffrey> nigelb: thank you very much! I really appreciate it
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  1011. # [18:41] <philor> particularly nice since I think the hook fails open
  1012. # [18:42] <nigelb> lol
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  1017. # [18:51] <Ms2ger> Oh, exactly what I wanted to see... Two purples
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  1019. # [18:57] <philor> would it be any comfort if I tell you that there are probably a whole lot more, but with buildapi shut down you just aren't getting the news?
  1020. # [18:58] <catlee-away> it's aliiiiiiive
  1021. # [18:58] <philor> oh, so it is!
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  1034. # [19:09] <Gits-TLM> Hello, what is the parser in Firefox?
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  1043. # [19:15] <Jesse> Gits-TLM: firefox contains many parsers. some of the largest are for HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and XML.
  1044. # [19:16] <Gits-TLM> Jesse: Where can I find source-code and documentation for those respective parsers?
  1045. # [19:18] <Jesse> parser/html, parser/xml, layout/style (CSS), js/src
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  1048. # [19:20] <Gits-TLM> Jesse: Are those links relative to mozilla.org/ or do I have to download the source-code and navigate to respective directories?
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  1050. # [19:21] <Jesse> you can browse the source from http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/default/ or http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/
  1051. # [19:21] <Jesse> or you can clone the hg repo locally, if you want
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  1054. # [19:23] <squeakytoy> Hey all. I am new to this, buy what is the difference between WebAPI and Device API? Sounds like they are aiming for the same goal?
  1055. # [19:23] <squeakytoy> but*
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  1059. # [19:27] <Gits-TLM> squeakytoy: WebAPI: Web service <=> API <=> program. DeviceAPI: Device(like Camera, or output accesible from any electronic(not necessarily) device) <=> API <=> Program. ?
  1060. # [19:29] <squeakytoy> hmm
  1061. # [19:29] <kwierso> squeakytoy: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/01/mozilla-joins-the-w3c-dap-webapi-progress/
  1062. # [19:30] <squeakytoy> Yea, i saw that blog :-)
  1063. # [19:32] <squeakytoy> im getting the feeling this is just like javascript and ecmascript
  1064. # [19:32] <squeakytoy> but i am just an outsider looking in through the window :-)
  1065. # [19:33] <kwierso> I think it's more "mozilla works on webapi stuff, gets it to a point that they can submit it back to the DAP group for possible inclusion in deviceapi"
  1066. # [19:37] <philor> nice: our pointless, hidden and unwatched Valgrind builds are crashing GCC
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  1068. # [19:38] <mhall119> nigelb: pong
  1069. # [19:38] <mhall119> Jeffrey: ping
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  1071. # [19:40] <WG9s> philor: are they running an old version of gcc?
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  1073. # [19:42] <philor> are we running them? of course they are
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  1078. # [19:45] <WG9s> No, I mean older than the normal buildiers. The investigative code added on bug 621446 is known to crash old versions of gcc.
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  1083. # [19:49] <jdm> that's funky.
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  1220. # [22:41] <philor> despite the overcached tree status in your tbpl saying closed, trees are open
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  1233. # [22:54] <avih> for refresh driver: does anyone know if: 1. it can be observed for "post paint" event, and 2. can it be set for "empty flush" (i.e. indicate to the os that paint is required eventhough that's not neccessarily the case)?
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  1252. # [23:26] <dholbert> I'm thinking of merging m-c to m-i -- any objections / anyone already doing that?
  1253. # [23:27] <dholbert> er, I meant "merging m-i to m-c", actually
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  1255. # [23:28] <avih> is mstange available on some IRC#?
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  1257. # [23:29] <dholbert> avih, not at the moment
  1258. # [23:29] <dholbert> avih, I mean -- that is his nick, but he's not online at the moment
  1259. # [23:30] <avih> dholbert: thx.
  1260. # [23:30] <avih> dholbert: how about bz?
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  1262. # [23:31] <dholbert> avih, you can use "/whois [username]" to find out if someone is online & what channels they're in (even if they're not in any of the same channels as you)
  1263. # [23:32] <dholbert> avih, bz is usually in this channel when he's online; he's at a conference this weekend, though, so he's probably less available for a few days
  1264. # [23:32] <avih> dholbert: true, but i hoped for a more general reply, such as he's at xyz timezone so he's usually online at abc.. etc
  1265. # [23:32] <avih> or not
  1266. # [23:32] <dholbert> avih, gotcha. yup -- conference
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  1268. # [23:32] <avih> dholbert: I see. thanks.
  1269. # [23:32] <dholbert> np
  1270. # [23:34] <dholbert> gahhh merge conflicts in m-i <--> m-c merge
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  1273. # [23:39] <dholbert> dougt, ping?
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  1276. # [23:44] <dholbert> dougt, never mind
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  1278. # [23:48] <dholbert> Interesting -- by splitting a merge into 2 separate merges, I avoided having to do manual merge-fixing that it otherwise was going to make me do
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