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# Session Start: Tue Mar 13 00:00:01 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <Mossop> What is peptest?
# [00:00] <Mossop> WeirdAl: They can be anything that matches the regex
# [00:00] <WeirdAl> ok
# [00:00] <nthomas> Mossop: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Auto-tools/Projects/peptest
# [00:01] <Mossop> nthomas: Thanks
# [00:01] <philor> Mossop: it's orange
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# [00:03] <Mossop> WeirdAl: Doesn't appear to include "/" so I doubt urls would work
# [00:03] <WeirdAl> darn
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# [00:04] <Mossop> Nor :
# [00:04] <Mossop> Which is probably good as I don't think that is a valid character for filenames
# [00:04] <tn> what am i supposed to do when 'hg pull' then 'hg update' results in "abort: crosses branches (merge branches or update --check to force update)" /
# [00:05] <tn> (on aurora)
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# [00:05] <Mossop> tn: How about "hg update --check" like it suggests?
# [00:05] <nthomas> 'hg up -C' to get the current head on default
# [00:06] <WeirdAl> Mossop: where's that regexp live?
# [00:06] <nthomas> hmm, disregard me
# [00:06] <Mossop> -C throws away uncommitted changes (which might be ok for you anyway), --check checks for them first which I just learnt :)
# [00:06] <tn> Mossop, i could, just wanted to make sure i wasn't going to screw up aurora
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# [00:06] <Mossop> WeirdAl: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/XPIProvider.jsm#179
# [00:07] <WeirdAl> eww :)
# [00:07] <jlebar> Um, I somehow made my bugzilla comment box RTL.
# [00:07] <jfkthame> "hg up -C" would discard local changes, if you have any in your repo
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# [00:08] <WeirdAl> Mossop: I don't suppose I could convince anyone to allow slashes :)
# [00:08] <mcsmurf> jlebar: try Ctrl+Shift+X
# [00:08] <mcsmurf> jlebar: to change back
# [00:08] <Mossop> WeirdAl: No, those would be bad characters to use in filenames too!
# [00:09] <WeirdAl> ah, that makes sense
# [00:09] <jlebar> mcsmurf, Yay. Thanks!
# [00:09] <darktrojan> WeirdAl, it's a uuid or abc@def
# [00:10] <darktrojan> bad characters are bad
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# [00:13] <WeirdAl> yeah, I'd forgotten we store ext's by id in the filesystem
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# [00:16] <Mark_Capella> Ask the experts ... ? I'm trying to figure out how to debug a build to get a better look inside of things I'm working on ... especially MOCHITEST runs for accessibility changes ... I've seen https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Debugging_Mozilla_on_Windows_FAQ and https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Building_Firefox_with_Debug_Symbols and still have questions ... is there a better reference?
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# [00:20] <@smaug> at what time is the uplift
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# [00:22] <mbrubeck> smaug: in the past they have been between 9am and noon, US/Pacific time.
# [00:22] <Standard8> smaug: but allow a few hours if you're landing on -inbound
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# [00:26] <mcsmurf> Mark_Capella: just ask if you have any questions :)
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# [00:29] <Mark_Capella> I added ac_add_options --enable-debug-symbols[=DBG] to get a debug build, though the resulting executable size remained the same as before, and when I fire up VC 10 and attach to firefox ... the code runs ... no source code display, no single stepping option etc, no break where I thought I'd set a breakpoint... sorry for the terribly basic question
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# [00:30] <@smaug> khuey: you use windows ^
# [00:30] <mcsmurf> afaik the exe size should stay roughly the same as the symbols are in the .pdb files
# [00:31] <mcsmurf> in your build folder
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# [00:31] <mcsmurf> how did you set the breakpoint?
# [00:33] <Mark_Capella> hmmm ok, to set the breakpoint I then opened the source file, clicked on the code line, right clicked in the window and check set breakpoint option
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# [00:33] <mcsmurf> I'm not sure if that works
# [00:33] <mcsmurf> but I must admit I have not set a breakpoint for a long time now ;)
# [00:34] <mcsmurf> does the breakpoint appear as red dot?
# [00:34] <Mark_Capella> :-) it didn't - gut tells me I'm off on something .... yeppers to the red dot
# [00:34] <mcsmurf> as in a filed red dot
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# [00:35] <mcsmurf> so you launch Firefox via command line or shortcut
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# [00:35] <mcsmurf> and then attach VC 10 after that, is that correct?
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# [00:35] <Mark_Capella> yes ... launched firefox by openning workspace ... locating executable on clicking open ... it does run the program, doesn't stop for debugging ... maybe I missed on the checkpoint
# [00:36] <mcsmurf> ah..
# [00:37] <mcsmurf> hrm, wait, I thought I know what's the issue but I'm not sure anymore
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# [00:37] <mcsmurf> with older versions Firefox restarts on start and some debuggers have problems with that
# [00:37] <mcsmurf> but I'm not sure if that's still true
# [00:37] <darktrojan> I think it is
# [00:38] <darktrojan> set -P profilename when you run it, Mark_Capella
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# [00:39] <mcsmurf> actually NO_EM_RESTART does not return anything useful anymore on mxr
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# [00:39] <mcsmurf> so either it's not required anymore or it has another name now :)
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# [00:40] <darktrojan> oh I'm thinking of something else anyway, ignore me
# [00:40] <Mark_Capella> Set -p profilename? As an option in VC C++ 2010?
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# [00:40] <Mossop> Yeah we got rid of the restart on startup in most cases
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# [00:41] <mcsmurf> Mark_Capella: does VC 10 indicate that FF is still running after startup?
# [00:41] <mcsmurf> so can you for example press the "Pause" button in VC?
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# [00:42] <mcsmurf> to just break where Firefox currently is in code execution
# [00:42] <Mark_Capella> I can try that ... I might have to shutdown chatzilla first
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# [00:43] <mcsmurf> Mark_Capella: or just crash Firefox
# [00:43] <mcsmurf> :)
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# [00:43] <mcsmurf> then the debugger should also do something
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# [00:44] <Mark_Capella> Laughs ... I'm good at that ! I was thinking setting an assert true
# [00:44] <Mark_Capella> instead
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# [00:44] <mcsmurf> if it's a debug build, ok
# [00:45] <mcsmurf> but --enable-debug-symbols != debug builds
# [00:45] <mcsmurf> -s
# [00:45] <mcsmurf> an assertion only does something in a debug build
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# [00:46] <mcsmurf> Mark_Capella: Nightly Tester Tools include a crashing tool
# [00:46] <mcsmurf> which forces FF to crash
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# [00:47] <Mark_Capella> maybe I've not achieved the debug build part at all yet then ... I thought the link https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Building_Firefox_with_Debug_Symbols was saying thats all I needed
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# [00:48] <mcsmurf> you already have symbols, but a debug build does much more
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# [00:48] <Mark_Capella> ah!!! how do I get the missing portion (debug build)?
# [00:48] <mcsmurf> it enables assertions, debug code, some perf counters
# [00:48] <mcsmurf> you can also set breakpoints with a build which has symbols only
# [00:49] <mcsmurf> for a real debug build you need to ac_add_options --enable-debug
# [00:49] <mcsmurf> maybe also ac_add_options --disable-optimize
# [00:49] <mcsmurf> not sure if debug+opt works together ;)
# [00:49] <Mark_Capella> pleeeeeeeeeeease tell me it's not that easy :-P
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# [00:50] <mcsmurf> well as said, setting breakpoints should also work in your current build
# [00:50] <mcsmurf> not sure why it does not work
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# [00:51] <Mark_Capella> k ... I'll tinker some more ... let ya'll get back to work ... thanks ...
# [00:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2fb8fedd7fc8 - Rob Campbell - merge fx-team to m-c
# [00:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6738581dc4d0 - Mihai Sucan - Bug 734432 - Add Orion ProjectionTextModel to our package; r=rcampbell
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# [00:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/eb08099d0b44 - Panos Astithas - Bug 734872 - Disable browser_dbg_select-line.js due to numerous intermittent failures; r=rcampbell
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# [00:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/94c48b2660cb - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 734299 - Part 1: Detect a datacall quirk on the SGS2. r=qDot
# [00:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/789068a4ba16 - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 734299 - Part 2: Worker code for network configuration. r=qDot
# [00:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b0cd3ea2398c - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 734300 - B2G RIL: Network registration state improvements. r=qDot
# [00:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/170757be69f3 - Yoshi Huang - Bug 734333 - B2G RIL: typo in RIL.iccIO() throws ReferenceError: request is not defined. r=philikon
# [00:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f92e3e6f93a7 - Jim Straus - Bug 714352 - B2G RIL: Listen for NITZ updates. r=philikon
# [00:56] <tonymec> Mark_Capella: you can get a debug build from http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2012-03-12-mozilla-release-debug/ (or similar URLs)
# [00:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3463e63451a4 - Etienne Segonzac - Bug 734951 - Fix the dom.telephony.app.phone.url pref. r=philikon
# [00:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dfcb11712ec2 - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 734299 - Part 3: Set up a datacall when registering with the network. r=qDot DONTBUILD because NPOTB
# [00:57] <Mark_Capella> tonymec: thanks! I bookmarked it ... that won't allow testing local changes though correct? Just whats in the nightly?
# [00:57] <philor> yay, a DONTBUILD triggering builds on the profiling branch just when I wanted some
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# [00:58] <tonymec> Mark_Capella: correct. You might prefer bookmarking the parent directory.
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# [01:00] <Mark_Capella> tonymec: was wondering ... ok! got it :P
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# [01:01] <philor> ehsan: merge to Profiling is stuck again :(
# [01:01] <Mark_Capella> mcsmurf: thanks again ... c ya around? dropping off ...
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# [01:15] <gavin> fabrice: I'm going to need to leave for the day soon, and am PTO tomorrow - do you have a final patch I should look at?
# [01:15] <fabrice> gavin: yes, let me upload it
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# [01:16] <@ehsan> philor: argh
# [01:17] <philor> if it isn't one thing, it's fifty others
# [01:17] * @ehsan is tired of hg corrupting his repos
# [01:17] <@ehsan> what a sorry excuse for a dvcs :(
# [01:17] <philor> on the bright side, you should get Android builds once you fix it
# [01:17] <philor> on the not so bright side, you should get Android tests
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# [01:19] <gavin> ehsan: how are your repos getting corrupted?
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# [01:43] <philor> yeah, yeah, that's the ticket, every few days
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# [02:15] <darktrojan> is there a way for a canvas to have a different tooltip depending on what the mouse is over?
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# [02:20] <@smaug> darktrojan: change the title attribute based on the coordinates?
# [02:20] <darktrojan> I can do that, but when I move the mouse, the old tooltip still shows
# [02:20] <darktrojan> I suspect the answer is "no"
# [02:20] <darktrojan> :(
# [02:20] <@smaug> hmm
# [02:21] <@smaug> you need Enn
# [02:21] <darktrojan> it's not important, it's for my own stuff but if I want to do it I'm probably not the only one
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# [02:23] <mbrubeck> darktrojan: You could overlay some invisible elements above the canvas, and set title attributes on *those*
# [02:23] <mbrubeck> if it doesn't interfere with other stuff you're doing.
# [02:23] <darktrojan> :D
# [02:24] <jdm> gavin: was another bug filed about making it easier to for non-employees to access mxr/addons?
# [02:24] <jdm> I really want to push on it, because I really want access
# [02:24] <darktrojan> I could just reimplement it in svg
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# [02:24] <darktrojan> jdm++
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# [02:25] <mbrubeck> Can't we make jdm an employee again? Maybe put him on payroll as the MoTo janitor or something? :)
# [02:25] <jdm> I refuse to sidestep this problem!
# [02:26] <jdm> I'm going on a hunger strike until this issue is resolved
# [02:26] <darktrojan> mozilla to...ilet?
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# [02:27] <jbuck> darktrojan: mozilla toronto
# [02:27] <darktrojan> ohhh
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# [02:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0c35057e2bb4 - Olli Pettay - Bug 734057 - Make nsDOMEventTargetHelper to not have strong pointer to window, r=jst,bent
# [02:35] <jdm> edmorley: I've had three internships, but I've been a volunteer for more time than an employee
# [02:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/483fb2f1da11 - Olli Pettay - Bug 734057 - Make nsDOMEventTargetHelper to not have strong pointer to window, part2, r=jst
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# [02:50] <edmorley> mbrubeck: is phony supposed to work on recent nightlies?
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# [02:58] <ewong> dougt ping
# [03:00] <philor> blassey: did you break native on inbound, or was it someone even further down?
# [03:00] <philor> or was it really khuey|away?
# [03:00] <philor> also?
# [03:00] <philor> LAND ALL THE PATCHES
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# [03:01] <philor> after all, our infrastructure *and* our testing are perfectly tuned to having everything land in the final 14 hours before a merge
# [03:01] <catlee-away> quick! before the train leaves!
# [03:02] <blassey> philor: Tdh?
# [03:02] <philor> though it's ever so slightly possible that the psyches of our tree managers are not quite perfectly tuned for it
# [03:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/597d92c3064e - Olli Pettay - Bug 734057 - Make nsDOMEventTargetHelper to not have strong pointer to window, a=bustage
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# [03:04] <ewong> O_O
# [03:04] <ewong> smaug: was that my fault?
# [03:04] <@smaug> no
# [03:04] <@smaug> I'm idiot :)
# [03:04] <philor> blassey: on khuey's push right above you, 2,3,4.6, j2, j3, tdhtml and twinopen - possible for that to be randomorange, but that's a lot to swallow at once
# [03:05] <ewong> I'm a little antsy when I see "nsDOMEventTargetHelper" now.. ;/
# [03:05] <@smaug> ewong: well, much better to see only that, and not that and foobarWrappersomething
# [03:06] <ewong> smaug heh
# [03:06] * @smaug hopes this patch works fine
# [03:06] <@smaug> it is great to cycle collection
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# [03:06] <@smaug> s/to/for/
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# [03:07] <blassey> philor: fabrice's push is about to get test results
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# [03:07] <philor> I hope so - the number of pending and the lack of running and the way we got down to one live tegra this morning has me nervous
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# [03:09] <philor> and inconveniently, buildapi is hosed so I can't look at it to see how many claim to be running
# [03:10] <philor> ah, 198 running, not a problem (if they really are)
# [03:10] <philor> all the patches on all the branches, apparently
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# [03:10] <catlee-away> buildapi is hosed?
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# [03:11] <philor> 502 proxy error, then a load 3 minutes later
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# [03:12] <catlee-away> which host?
# [03:13] <philor> https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/running
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# [03:14] <catlee-away> http://buildapi01.build.scl1.mozilla.com/buildapi/running might be better
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# [03:14] <catlee-away> or is that locked down...
# [03:14] <philor> soon as I get a fired from my current job for working on Mozilla too much and get a job there, I'll switch ;)
# [03:15] <catlee-away> https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/buildapi/running
# [03:15] <cadecairos> dseif: what parts of 686730 was I going to implement again?
# [03:15] <philor> a reputable releng wouldn't send me to that cert, or whatever the message is
# [03:15] <catlee-away> it's a fine hand crafted cert
# [03:16] <catlee-away> nothing wrong with it
# [03:16] <catlee-away> one of our very own mozillians made it
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# [03:16] <dholbert> er
# [03:16] <dholbert> see https://wiki.mozilla.org/MozillaRootCertificate
# [03:17] <philor> itym "one of the children of our mozillian's made it in kindergarten"
# [03:17] <philor> only without the extra apostrophe
# [03:18] <jaws> philor: is it ok to push to inbound?
# [03:18] <philor> cert aside, though, that's way better, thanks
# [03:18] <jaws> philor: i heard that something was gonna get backed out. just wanna check first
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# [03:19] <jaws> cool thanks
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# [03:36] <chenkai> I want to know is there a library to generate xml file( include such functions like add node ) in firefox source code
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# [04:05] <dougt> ewong: pong
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# [04:07] <ewong> dougt I'm looking at the patches you did for FF and fennec wrt DesktopNotification.. I'm not clear on what's going on.. I noticed in Fennec, you didn't add a DesktopNotification thing to the NSGetFactory
# [04:07] <ewong> dougt you kept it all in the ContentPermissionPrompt..
# [04:07] <dougt> yes.
# [04:07] <dougt> so..
# [04:08] <dougt> ContentPermissionPrompt gives you some magic that allows you to get ipc for free
# [04:08] <dougt> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/android/components/ContentPermissionPrompt.js#76
# [04:08] <ewong> dougt so in FF, whoever does the patch would do the same? or is it different in FF?
# [04:09] <dougt> should be the same.
# [04:09] <dougt> probably here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/nsBrowserGlue.js#1598
# [04:09] <dougt> looks like that file may have changed a bit since I poked it
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# [04:11] <ewong> seriously complicated stuff...
# [04:14] <philor> when does the new employee who is supposed to deal with that ShutdownLeaks stuff start work?
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# [04:16] <philor> at first I thought https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=734554#c25 might have been aimed at me, but since in the time it took me to get gas and food and drive home, I picked up 53 failures to star just on the first three trees I've opened, I'm pretty sure it ain't me
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# [04:33] <edmorley> we're missing a worrying about of builds on inbound
# [04:34] <edmorley> s/about/amount/
# [04:34] <Asa> wow. that brendan post to platform was epic
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# [04:37] <Mossop> asa: Hah, based on the poster I just assumed those were spam posts
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# [04:38] <josh> /msg Asa which post are you talking about?
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# [04:41] <philor> edmorley: who doesn't love a good coalescing?
# [04:41] <Asa> josh: therealbrendaneich on .platform talking about h.264
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# [04:41] <josh> Asa: thanks
# [04:42] <josh> the way groups displays user names makes it impossible to find him by searching for brendan on the page
# [04:42] <philor> edmorley: among other things, we seem to be building a release, plus pushes on 10 non-try branches
# [04:43] <philor> and releases are more than just one build per platform, they snag slaves for other things too, and they take first pick before anything else
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# [04:43] <edmorley> philor: yeah, I'm just waiting for it to end up biting us between now and merge time
# [04:44] <philor> yep, bound to
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# [04:45] <philor> but at least everyone has learned not to push on weekends - Saturday into Sunday looked more like Christmas Eve, when I went to bed Saturday night there were 18 jobs running, counting try
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# [04:49] <brendan> why did google groups duplicate my post?
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# [04:50] <philor> that wasn't them, that was the Flash plugin
# [04:50] <JonathanS> philor, it was Caturday
# [04:51] <jimm> Asa: Pepper solves the problem by putting window creation in the hands of the browser, from what I understand of the api. Josh might know more.
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# [04:51] <Asa> jimm: OK. thanks.
# [04:52] <jtcranmer> brendan: because Google Groups likes doing that
# [04:52] <nthomas> sent to the list and the newsgroup ?
# [04:53] <philor> the group, the list, and the newsgroup
# [04:54] <sicking> khuey|away: ping
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# [04:55] <brendan> jtcranmer: the message id of the dup is 9792149.17.1331606339120.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbcuu8
# [04:55] <brendan> that implicates some list reflector, doesn't it?
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# [04:57] <jtcranmer> probably
# [04:58] <jtcranmer> but I never miss a chance to rag on gg
# [04:58] <heycam> AryehGregor, was just pinging to ask you to add your thoughts on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15986#c19 to the bug
# [04:58] <jtcranmer> !@#$@#!#@ shit key
# [04:58] <jtcranmer> er, shift key
# [04:58] <heycam> AryehGregor, (it's the last open issue)
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# [05:00] <dougt> brendan: i only see one copy
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# [05:00] <jtcranmer> of course, the entire issue is moot if MS and Motorola go to court and the court decides that software patents aren't valid :-P
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# [05:01] <jtcranmer> (of course, Bilski should have told me that this is nothing more than a wild fantasy, but I can still dream)
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# [05:06] <sicking> i thought we had some syntax you could stick in a check-in comment to trigger an automatic clobber?
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# [05:06] <philor> yeah, it's called "go back to CVS and touch the CLOBBER file"
# [05:06] <nthomas> long ago
# [05:06] <brendan> dougt: i deleted the second
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# [05:07] <sicking> otherwise it seems like there's a race condition between pushing and clobbering (seems like i have to clobber first and push 2nd)
# [05:07] <philor> you do
# [05:07] <dougt> brendan: that would explain it. ;)
# [05:07] <philor> and you have to tell everyone not to retrigger failed builds while you're clobbering
# [05:07] <philor> and you have to be sure there's no pending builds
# [05:07] <sicking> philor: but if i clobber first then hopefully no builds should fail, right?
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# [05:08] <philor> and if you're clobbering yet again at 9pm the night before a merge day, you have to be out of reach of anyone
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# [05:08] <philor> sicking: no, because a given slave will only clobber once from you setting the clobber
# [05:08] <philor> so you set it for your push, a slave builds something 20 pushes ago from a retrigger, then builds the push after you, you're not clobbered
# [05:08] <sicking> mm.. wow.. complicated
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# [05:09] <philor> yeah, it was a whole lot simpler when there was one physical machine per platform
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# [05:09] <philor> a situation which, sadly, we still have a few things designed for
# [05:10] <sicking> ok, heading home, will try to do this sometime tonight
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# [05:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/825a808d224f - Felipe Gomes - Backout cset 11af9adc0e5d (bug 724080) to avoid unnecessary string changes. We'll fix this with a server-side redirect.
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# [05:21] <jlebar> Is therealbrendaneich@gmail.com actually Brendan?
# [05:21] * jlebar did not think so.
# [05:21] <brendan> yes
# [05:21] <jlebar> brendan, Thanks!
# [05:21] <brendan> and why did GG use my full name for my second post tonight?
# [05:21] <philor> would it say "thereal" if it wasn't?
# [05:21] <brendan> i did not re-login
# [05:21] <brendan> philor: it autogenerated that for me, btw
# [05:21] <kwierso> would therealbrendaneich lie about such things?
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# [05:22] <jlebar> Indeed, there's no precedence for that on the Internet. :)
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# [05:22] <brendan> i had brendan.eich@gmail.com and brendan@mozilla.org, i can't join them now, i believe the latter somehow got equated to therealbrendaneich@gmail.com
# [05:22] <brendan> it may have been a suggestion but i did not type it in -- i still can't figure out how to get rid of it
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# [05:24] <philor> so to semi-repeat myself from when I was probably already disconnected and didn't know it yet:
# [05:24] <philor> anybody got an Android device and the willingness to download an inbound native build and see if it crashes on startup 8 out of 10 times?
# [05:24] <brendan> philor: dougt?
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# [05:25] <philor> blassey was my first choice, since I want to blame his push anyway
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# [05:25] <dougt> philor: sure
# [05:25] <blassey> you always want to blame me
# [05:25] <dougt> any specific rev?
# [05:26] <philor> anything after e77ca0c6e435
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# [05:26] <blassey> philor: when I looked last everything that went orange on khuey's push had cycled green
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# [05:26] <blassey> maybe tbpl was screwing with me though
# [05:27] <philor> yeah, I *could* star it all, there's no one suite which has gone permaorange
# [05:27] <dougt> philor: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mobile/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-inbound-android/1331605208/ ?
# [05:27] <philor> it's just that it's gone from "Android tests intermittently just don't start" on 1 suite every 3 pushes to 6 or 8 on every push
# [05:28] <philor> dougt: that'd be great
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# [05:30] <dougt> philor: started 5 times without any crash
# [05:30] <philor> sweet, thanks, I'll just star 'em and worst comes to worst we can sort it out on aurora
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# [05:32] <dougt> philor: anytime.
# [05:32] <philor> oh boy, setting MINIDUMP_STACKWALK did give us stacks now
# [05:32] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=10020056&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [05:32] <philor> let's see, libplc4.so + 0xf6c would be....
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# [05:37] <philor> did we really really want Bug 498998 so I can't back khuey's orange ass out?
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# [05:39] <philor> and is "tilt" dev tools: inspector?
# [05:39] <kwierso> tilt is the 3d view of the DOM
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# [05:39] <kwierso> or are you asking where bugs for it go?
# [05:40] <philor> where, yeah
# [05:40] <kwierso> you get to it from the "Inspect" button, so it sounds like as good a place as any
# [05:41] <philor> thx
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# [05:42] <kwierso> and there's a bunch of other tilt bugs in there already
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# [05:43] <felipe> philor: fwiw I'm really really hoping that fabrice's push (after kyle's) makes it to m-c as it has some strings
# [05:44] * philor momentarily ducks out of &onlyunstarred=1
# [05:45] <philor> oh, look, it built on Linux and Android, and even ran a few tests on some flavors of each!
# [05:45] <philor> no
# [05:45] <philor> no burning Win64 while not being here
# [05:46] <philor> bad bz, bad
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# [05:47] <philor> and since I'm asking, I know I can't, but can I start a randomorange bug with "Hellishly frequent failure in..."?
# [05:47] <kwierso> "splendidly"?
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# [05:53] <edmorley> use fantastic, then it illiterates too
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# [05:54] <edmorley> ly, that is
# [05:54] <kwierso> s/i/a/
# [05:54] <edmorley> and yeah that too :-)
# [05:54] <edmorley> sign for bedtime
# [05:54] <kwierso> ^
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# [05:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5a7686f1119b - Jonas Sicking - Bug 735094: Implement new string values (rather than numeric constants) for IndexedDB. r=bent
# [05:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/95a8eba120fe - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 721569 - Implement Blob constructor. r=sicking
# [05:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c7f4e6a7f627 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 721569 - Implement nullable types. r=khuey
# [05:59] <sicking> philor: ok, i clobbered and checked in the patch to m-c. I'll be around to watch the tree for bustage of course
# [05:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1ca7a94573f2 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 721569 - Tests. r=sicking
# [05:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4d64d2d31843 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 721569 - Support default values for Web IDL dictionaries. r=khuey CLOBBER BUILD
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# [06:00] <philor> ah, much safer over there in the uncrowded tree
# [06:00] * philor reclobbers Profiling
# [06:00] <sicking> philor: also felt like otherwise we'd need to clobber twice
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# [06:01] <philor> well, 12 times instead of 11, but yeah
# [06:02] <philor> well, 12 times instead of 12, since inbound has to be clobbered when that merges to it
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# [06:04] <sicking> true
# [06:04] <philor> eh, this Android stuff is going to have to stay unstarred, I can't bring myself to say it's just normal
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# [06:05] <sicking> why are we still running android xul tboxes?
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# [06:06] <kbrosnan> because we are still shipping xul code through at least 13
# [06:06] <philor> well, we might ship native off 13
# [06:06] <philor> maybe, or not
# [06:07] <philor> plus, it's the one that's fine and unbusted :)
# [06:07] <kbrosnan> xul 13 will be released to the beta channel for tablets. the current plan is 13 phones to be native if all goes well
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# [06:08] <kbrosnan> and depending on how mobile picks up the train schedule that may require more xul tablet releases
# [06:08] <kbrosnan> 14, 15
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# [06:12] <philor> tick tick tick, fix your bustage bz...
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# [06:35] <@bz> philor: well, I did push that to try...
# [06:35] <@bz> philor: must have been one of the review comment changes. :(
# [06:36] <philor> they're usually wrong, I find it better to "forget" to address them
# [06:36] <@bz> heh
# [06:36] * @bz looks at the actual failure
# [06:36] <@bz> esp why the hell it's Windows-only!
# [06:36] <philor> and now, who knows what percentage of our windows slaves have left the building, last seen in the company of buildbot-master-12
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# [06:37] <@bz> if (ancestorFilter &&
# [06:37] <@bz> !ancestorFilter->MightHaveMatchingAncestor<
# [06:37] <@bz> NS_ARRAY_LENGTH(value.mAncestorSelectorHashes)>(
# [06:37] <@bz> value.mAncestorSelectorHashes)) {
# [06:37] <@bz> e:/builds/moz2_slave/m-in-w32/build/layout/style/nsCSSRuleProcessor.cpp(2353) : error C2232: '->AncestorFilter::MightHaveMatchingAncestor' : left operand has 'struct' type, use '.'
# [06:38] <@bz> wtf?
# [06:38] <@bz> ancestorFilter is an AncestorFilter*
# [06:38] <@bz> it so does not have struct type!
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# [06:38] * @bz is tempted to repush with the old pre-review code
# [06:38] <@bz> any objections?
# [06:39] <sicking> hrm
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# [06:39] <@bz> one that one line
# [06:39] <@bz> so without the NS_ARRAY_LENGTH bit
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# [06:42] <stuart> i think i asked this, but will ask again
# [06:42] <stuart> is there any way to, with xpconnect privs, change an iframe in to something that web content can't detect is an iframe?
# [06:42] <stuart> but that still behaves like an iframe?
# [06:43] <sicking> stuart: there is now, though i'm not sure it's fully landed yet
# [06:43] <stuart> yeah?
# [06:43] <@bz> stuart: kinda
# [06:43] <sicking> stuart: the <iframe mozbrowser>
# [06:43] <sicking> element
# [06:43] <stuart> mm
# [06:43] <@bz> stuart: jlebar has been hooking up something like that for b2g
# [06:43] <@bz> aha
# [06:43] <@bz> yeah, that's it
# [06:43] <stuart> do i just set mozbrowser on it?
# [06:43] <sicking> stuart: ask jlebar what the status is
# [06:44] <sicking> stuart: yeah, but i don't think it has landed yet
# [06:44] <stuart> ok
# [06:44] <stuart> we're using dirty xpconnect from the web hacks to get the href now
# [06:44] <sicking> anyone have any ideas what the windows bustage is about
# [06:44] <stuart> but doesn't let random sites load like google etc
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# [06:44] <stuart> so if this fixes that that would be nie
# [06:44] <stuart> nice
# [06:45] <stuart> people could actually use our web app directly
# [06:45] <@bz> sicking: which windows bustage?
# [06:45] <@bz> sicking: the one from before philor's backout?
# [06:45] <sicking> bz: latest m-c checkin
# [06:46] <@bz> oh, m-c
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# [06:46] <stuart> sicking: it looks like this landed on m-c
# [06:46] <stuart> or at least some of it
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# [06:47] <stuart> sicking: do you know how the check to see if mozbrowser is allowable is done?
# [06:47] <stuart> or does it just work from content?
# [06:47] <@bz> stuart: doesn't work from content
# [06:47] <stuart> oh
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# [06:47] <sicking> yeah, it's restricted
# [06:47] <@bz> stuart: one sec
# [06:48] <stuart> i mean thats kind of ok too if i could make an app or something
# [06:48] <sicking> i don't know how he's doing the security model for now
# [06:48] <stuart> though the app would need to load from remote site
# [06:48] <sicking> stuart: yeah, you'll need to make an app eventually. But it can load from remote site
# [06:48] <stuart> ah
# [06:48] <stuart> the main reason we have our web version is for debugging, so not having all the web tools would make it kind of pointless
# [06:49] <stuart> ill try mozbrowser tomorrow and see what happens
# [06:49] <@bz> hmm
# [06:49] <@bz> this jspubtd.h thing is odd
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# [06:50] <@bz> since nsINode.h includes it....
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# [06:50] <@bz> philor: going to push to inbound with what I think should be a bustage fix....
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# [06:51] <philor> bz: 'k, should be interesting to see if we still have windows build slaves
# [06:52] <@bz> philor: heh
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# [06:52] <@bz> philor: I'd give it a try run first, but I'd really like to get this in before branch and the review was .... somewhat slow
# [06:52] <philor> little difficult to tell, since nagios seems to be broken, and builds-running.js seems to be missing
# [06:52] * @bz will need to merge to m-c in the morning or something too
# [06:54] <philor> sicking: did you see your red yet?
# [06:55] <philor> ah, finally got running to load, and indeed we do still have windows slaves, even win64, how nice
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# [06:59] <@bz> or I'll push once this network fetches the water and chops the wood
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# [07:11] <sicking> philor: i have no idea what the red is
# [07:11] <philor> but you have a very optimistic star for it :)
# [07:11] <sicking> philor: i put a comment on there. It's too bad that you can't comment on a build without also "starring" it, making people think it's ok
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# [07:12] <philor> sure you can, I do it all day long: you just comment here
# [07:12] <sicking> philor: sure, but then it looks like you've marked it as ok. People just look for the star
# [07:12] <sicking> oh, here
# [07:12] <sicking> well.. i did that too
# [07:13] <philor> yep
# [07:13] <sicking> philor: the failing build failed after 5 minutes though, so I suspect the respin is way past it
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# [08:17] <philor> hmm, can we really have been broken for crashes during leak tests on debug builds since last November?
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# [08:20] <philor> for at least that long we've been doing urlparse(None), which works out quite poorly
# [08:20] <Jesse> broken as in incorrectly reporting green?
# [08:21] <philor> no, broken as in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=10024407&tree=Firefox
# [08:22] <philor> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'find' if you crash without having passed a --symbols-path to automation
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# [08:23] <philor> since the default is None, and http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/build/automationutils.py#141
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# [09:52] <glazou> bonjour
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# [09:56] <darktrojan> NeilAway, I wanted a canvas that'll give you tooltips when you mouse over various bits
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# [10:09] <glazou> hsivonen_: yt?
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# [10:10] <Callek> huh we have a |CLOBBER BUILD| magic string now????
# [10:10] <Callek> where the heck was that mentioned/used?
# [10:11] <Callek> (as in, what piece of our automation parses and uses that if its true)
# [10:11] <Callek> (found on http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?changeset=4d64d2d31843 )
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# [10:30] <NeilAway> darktrojan: hmm, one issue seems to be that the tooltip won't fire until the mouse leaves and re-enters the canvas
# [10:30] <darktrojan> exactly
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# [10:39] <ewong> I'm building c-c, but I'm getting this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1516771
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# [10:39] <ewong> latest pull, clobbered, removed *.pyc
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# [10:42] <mak> NeilAway: could you please clarify me your comment on bug 734653? do you think my change will cause regressions, or just thinking of further needed fixes?
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# [10:45] <NeilAway> bah, I guess I should have tried that when I actually had a scroll mouse
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# [10:50] <mak> NeilAway: so I should buy you a new scroll mouse to figure out how to get a review? ;)
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# [10:56] <NeilAway> mak: sadly I'm sitting at a Windows 95 PC which doesn't really support scroll mice
# [10:57] <mak> NeilAway: I'm fine with that, I just want to know what "I" should test for you
# [10:57] <glazou> NeilAway: you're doing archeology these days ? :-)
# [10:58] <mak> NeilAway: and trying to understand how my patch may make that worse, since it's just removing an already broken case
# [10:58] <NeilAway> bah, whose idea was it to make the download manager crash if it fails to close its connection?
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# [11:38] <whimboo> ttaubert: not to rush but when do you think you will be able to quickly review the code mentioned yesterday?
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# [11:40] <ttaubert> whimboo: sorry was busy with stuff for fx13 :) on my todo list for today with other reviews
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# [11:41] <whimboo> ttaubert: thanks!
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# [11:41] <hsivonen_> glazou: pong
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# [11:44] <glazou> hsivonen_: I need you
# [11:44] <glazou> hsivonen_: the html parser turns PIs into comments, right ?
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# [11:47] <hsivonen_> glazou: well, they aren't PIs really. they are bogus comments. these aren't the droids you are looking for. :-)
# [11:48] <glazou> yes, I saw that from the html5tokenizer code
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# [11:48] <glazou> in bluegriffon, I need to preserve PIs...
# [11:48] <glazou> how can I do that, even if I have to hack your parser
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# [11:49] <hsivonen_> glazou: do you just need <?php ?> or do you need all kinds of PIs?
# [11:50] <glazou> the former is absolutely needed, it's feedback #1 of my users right now ; I'd love to reach the latter
# [11:50] <glazou> I have a ugly hack recreating the php PIs when your bogus comments are detected but I hate that hack
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# [11:52] <hsivonen_> glazou: one thing you could do is not having PIs but having a serializer hack that serializes any comment whose value starts and ends with a question mark in a way that makes it look like a PI
# [11:53] <hsivonen_> glazou: if you *really* want a parser hack, the tokenizer knows how to scan over a PI for the purposes of XML View Source
# [11:53] <glazou> right, I saw that too ; but the html content sink has no processinginstruction handler, right ?
# [11:54] <hsivonen_> glazou: you could extend that bit to activate in BG for text/html and have it feed into the tree builder and add tree builder capability for PIs
# [11:54] <glazou> sigh
# [11:54] <hsivonen_> glazou: right, though the new parser does not use the html content sink
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# [11:54] <hsivonen_> nsHTMLContentSink is legacy that's only used for about:blank
# [11:54] <hsivonen_> it's going away
# [11:54] <glazou> ok
# [11:55] <glazou> so in fact the xml content sink is used ?
# [11:55] <hsivonen_> glazou: no, the XML View Source mode uses the tree builder as a dummy
# [11:55] <hsivonen_> glazou: the tree builder doesn't do anything useful in that case
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# [11:56] <hsivonen_> glazou: it doesn't need to, because XML can be syntax highlighted using just the tokenizer
# [11:56] <hsivonen_> glazou: the tree builder is just hanging in there in order to avoid null checks for it or virtual calls
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# [11:57] <hsivonen_> glazou: the tokenizer code for PIs isn't used for anything other than XML View Source highlighting
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# [11:58] <glazou> I see
# [11:58] <glazou> ok, then adding PI support is not a simple task
# [11:58] <glazou> and my hack is unfortunately my best option :-(
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# [11:59] <glazou> having no PI support in html for <?php ... ?> is one of the craziest decisions I have seen
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# [11:59] <glazou> makes it impossible to edit a document containing a php instruction chunk
# [11:59] <glazou> in a parser-based editor I mean
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# [12:05] <hsivonen_> glazou: even if PIs were supported, many common PHP patterns wouldn't work
# [12:06] <hsivonen_> e.g. <foo bar="<?php ?>">
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# [12:06] <hsivonen_> or <foo <?php ?> bar=baz>
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# [12:07] * hsivonen_ wonders what Dreamweaver's data model is like
# [12:07] <glazou> yeah, the old pattern was a really bad one
# [12:07] <glazou> and in attributes I know it sucks
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# [12:08] <hsivonen_> and if we had PIs, this would break, too:
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# [12:09] <hsivonen_> <table><?php /* row loop start here */?><p>cell content</p><?php /*loop end*/?></table>
# [12:11] <glazou> I know that
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# [12:27] <@smaug> um
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# [12:27] <@smaug> this doesn't build
# [12:27] <glazou> thanks hsivonen_
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# [12:28] <@smaug> xpidl.IDLError: error: invalid syntax, /home/smaug/mozilla/hg/mozilla/dom/interfaces/events/nsIDOMEvent.idl line 185:0
# [12:28] <@smaug> dictionary EventInit
# [12:28] <Callek> smaug: oooo thats the same bug we have been getting in comm*
# [12:28] <Callek> Standard8, protz, ewong, fyi ^
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# [12:29] <Callek> was http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4d64d2d31843 that *should* have made that work
# [12:29] <Standard8> smaug: remove *.xpc in xpcom/idl-parser, remove objdir, rebuild
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# [12:30] <darktrojan> remove all the things
# [12:30] <@smaug> Standard8: you mean .pyc ?
# [12:30] <Standard8> smaug: yeah, sorry
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# [12:31] <Callek> Standard8: did/does that work for you?
# [12:31] <Standard8> Callek: so far, yes
# [12:31] <Callek> Standard8: ewong and protz claimed it didn't for them
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# [12:38] <past> been getting these in tbpl and locally, too. Clobbering fixes them
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# [12:50] <NeilAway> mak: hmm, is there something special about your hidden elements, or should I see the problem in any scrolling menu with hidden elements?
# [12:51] <mak> NeilAway: something special is that they may be first/last element in the popup
# [12:51] <mak> and some code used elements[0] in scrollbox
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# [12:51] <mak> where elements is the filter list of elements based on _canScrollToElement
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# [12:53] <andrei> hey, does anybody have any information regarding what proposed GSOC12 projects have already been taken?
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# [12:55] <Standard8> andrei: I believe we don't actually start deciding until student submissions have completed - as different students may submit different project proposals for the same area
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# [12:56] <andrei> ehum, thank you, and is it possible to apply for more than one project, the second/third being fallbacks?
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# [12:57] <@smaug> hsivonen_: how do we process treeops now
# [12:57] <@smaug> parser thread creates them, and sends via a runnable to main thread?
# [12:57] <@smaug> and then main thread processes all it got at once?
# [12:59] <@smaug> ttaubert: could we do something to about:newtab in the case cache is disabled
# [12:59] <@smaug> (in which case there are no screenshots )
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# [13:03] <hsivonen_> smaug: the parse thread puts the ops in a queue. upon flushing the queue, it transfers them to a mutex-protected staging queue
# [13:03] <hsivonen_> smaug: the main thread moves them from the staging queue to the execution queue
# [13:04] <hsivonen_> smaug: ops from that queue are executed until the wall clock says it's been too long without returning to the event loop
# [13:04] <@smaug> hsivonen_: so, could main thread perhaps move just some ops at once to execution queue
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# [13:04] <@smaug> in case the tab is in background
# [13:04] <@smaug> ah
# [13:04] <hsivonen_> smaug: that doesn't make much sense, it's a memcpy
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# [13:04] <@smaug> hsivonen_: so we could just change that wall clock check for background tabs?
# [13:05] <hsivonen_> smaug: controlling how aggressively the execution queue is emptied makes sense
# [13:05] <hsivonen_> smaug: yes
# [13:05] <hsivonen_> if the executor knew it is associated with a bg tab
# [13:05] <hsivonen_> currently, it does not know
# [13:05] <hsivonen_> and I don't know how to make it know
# [13:05] <@smaug> it doesn't know the document?
# [13:05] <hsivonen_> smaug: yes
# [13:05] <hsivonen_> smaug: it knows the document
# [13:05] <@smaug> from document you can access docshell
# [13:06] <hsivonen_> the exception to what I said is document.write whose sementics require flushing the op queue to completion
# [13:06] <hsivonen_> semantics
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# [13:07] <@smaug> yeah, document.write and innerHTML need to be sync
# [13:07] <hsivonen_> so does nsIDocShell have a method for "is this bg tab" or does it have a callback mechanism for listening to background/foreground transitions?
# [13:08] <@smaug> docshell has isActive
# [13:08] <hsivonen_> are calls to it expensive?
# [13:08] * hsivonen_ looks up nsDocShell.cpp
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# [13:09] <hsivonen_> boolean field getter. cool
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# [13:09] <@smaug> hsivonen_: there is also this http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/nsDocument.cpp#8824
# [13:09] <hsivonen_> smaug: so we should make nsContentSink have a second set of timing parameters for non-active docshells
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# [13:10] <@smaug> hsivonen_: the timing check is in contentsink?
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# [13:11] <@smaug> mLastNotificationTime ?
# [13:12] <hsivonen_> smaug: nsContentSink::DidProcessATokenImpl
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# [13:14] <ttaubert> smaug: not sure what to do exactly but I think we should move away from using the cache. will tackle that soon
# [13:14] <@smaug> ttaubert: other option is that someone fixes the cache :)
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# [13:15] <ttaubert> smaug: yes, we could implement pinning stuff in the cache, but that wouldn't solve the issue for people having it disabled at all
# [13:15] <hsivonen_> smaug: do you have an automated test suite you use for seeing if responsiveness fixes helped?
# [13:15] <@smaug> hsivonen_: sInteractiveParseTime is in microseconds, I assume
# [13:16] <@smaug> no
# [13:16] <@smaug> I wonder if taras has
# [13:16] <hsivonen_> smaug: looks like it's microseconds, yes
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# [13:23] <@smaug> hsivonen_: do I read the code correctly...
# [13:23] <@smaug> hsivonen_: we don't use sPerfParseTime for the first 2 seconds of a page load ?
# [13:23] <@smaug> because there is sInitialPerfTime
# [13:23] <hsivonen_> smaug: I don't recall, but sounds believable
# [13:24] <hsivonen_> smaug: the timing code is very old
# [13:24] <hsivonen_> smaug: but it's super-easy to regress tp by changing it
# [13:24] <hsivonen_> smaug: so I haven't
# [13:25] <@smaug> well, if we change only background tab loading, tp shouldn't be affected :)
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# [13:32] <edmorley> mak: re "the various Tp5r stuff is just the download panel, that has been backed out, so ignorable. " -- the backout is in the blame range and some of the graphs don't seem to recover, are we sure that's all it was? (and yeah I know it was me who blamed the downloads panel on inbound; just want to be sure)
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# [13:32] <mak> edmorley: hm the range reported by tree-management didn't show the backout
# [13:33] <mak> edmorley: and on inbound I checked graphs and they went back on the backout
# [13:33] <edmorley> ah, maybe I misread
# [13:33] <mak> edmorley: though you may have noticed something I missed
# [13:33] <mak> actually I'd be happy to be wrong in this case :)
# [13:34] <mak> since we can't explain that increase
# [13:34] <edmorley> eg http://graphs-new.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[144,94,14]]&sel=1331435167000,1331607967000&displayrange=7&datatype=running
# [13:35] <edmorley> but might just be that the results haven't made it there yet (post merge)
# [13:35] <mak> edmorley: it's hard to guess from Firefox graphs, and inbound is lacking Tp5r (filed the bug yesterday)
# [13:35] <edmorley> ah
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# [13:36] <mak> or better, links from tree-management work, but the list of available tests in graphs-new is wrong
# [13:36] <edmorley> the cset range given by https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.tree-management/dcPSDduaZ-w/MEj4j4aXET0J lists f0a006794b94 which is the downloads panel backout
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# [13:42] <mak> I'm sure I checked that the dm push caused the increase and the backout a decrease, but could be there were actually 2 different regressions and one with unknown causes still
# [13:42] <edmorley> yeah I suspect that might be the case
# [13:42] <edmorley> things like paint definitely recovered on inbound (http://graphs-new.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[82,131,12]]&sel=1331304698484.4753,1331608798422.0144&displayrange=7&datatype=running)
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# [13:50] <jviereck> If I get that right the MPL2 license (http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/headers/) should be used for new files. The contributors are not listed in any form anymore?
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# [13:51] <mak> right
# [13:52] <mak> MPL1 required contributors to be listed, MPL2 doesn't
# [13:54] <jviereck> okay. If I make a copy of an existing makefile, should I use the MPL2 header then or use the header that's still in there?
# [13:54] <mak> if the header there is MPL1 you are free to upgrade it
# [13:54] <mak> otherwise you should keep the original one
# [13:55] <jviereck> okay, thanks a lot!
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# [14:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4b9fb42c0d52 - Dão Gottwald - Bug 734554 - Increase MAX_LEAK_COUNT in order to reduce the random orange volume
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# [14:31] <@bz_sleep> mak: thanks for doing that inbound merge!
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# [14:31] <mconnor> mak++
# [14:32] <mak> bz_sleep: I still plan one, waiting for some builds
# [14:32] <mak> the infrastructure is not helping, atm
# [14:32] <@bz_sleep> mak: oh, I meant the one you already did, which got my patches on m-c. ;)
# [14:32] <mak> sure thing :)
# [14:32] <@bz_sleep> mak: as usual, some stuff ended up cutting the dates a bit close....
# [14:33] <mak> reviews tend to do that, and after reviews stuff has to land
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# [14:33] <@bz_sleep> verily
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# [14:40] <jviereck> I try to add a new PrintDocument object to the browser, but I have no clue what the .cpp file should look like. For the start I just want to expose the object without any functions
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# [14:42] <mak> glandium: is any of your changes in inbound affecting Windows?
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# [14:42] <mak> Am I wrong seeing them as affecting only Android and Linux?
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# [14:45] <Yoric> Does anyone know what nsIScriptableInputConverter et al do when the buffer contains not well-formed Unicode?
# [14:45] <Yoric> (in particular, when the buffer contains only the first bytes of a unicode char)?
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# [14:46] <glandium> mak: the first broken android, windows and linux
# [14:46] <glandium> mak: the two other pushes fixed that
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# [14:46] <mak> glandium: yes, I meant the remaining stuff
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# [14:47] <glandium> mak: ah, i had the same problem on try, there's something wrong with signing
# [14:47] <glandium> mak: it looks like a server problem
# [14:47] <mak> glandium: wait, you are misunderstanding me
# [14:47] <mak> glandium: I would like to merge, but we don't have win builds yet, so if your changes don't affect win I could stop waiting.
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# [14:49] <glandium> mak: ah, then no. only 734335 touches something that is built on windows, but it only touches build scripts, not code. worst case scenario, sps would be disabled on windows instead of enabled
# [14:50] <mak> hg and tbpl are starting behaving badly
# [14:50] <mak> glandium: thanks
# [14:53] <mak> nice, now tbpl is unreachable
# [14:53] <catlee> wfm
# [14:53] <Ameya> is it possible to block any perticular javascript function....?
# [14:54] <mak> catlee: just came back, has been unreachable for 3 minutes, and intermittently
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# [14:54] <Ameya> I want to block window.addEventListener("pageshow"..from executing...
# [14:54] <Ameya> Is it possible...?
# [14:54] <mak> catleee: (3 minutes was the last window, it's about 1 hour that it is intermittent)
# [14:55] <catlee> mak: what kind of error does it give? or it just hangs?
# [14:55] <mak> catlee: just hangs on loading
# [14:55] <edmorley> would start happening on merge day wouldn't it \o/
# [14:55] <mak> catlee: and often requesting retriggers gives network error
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# [14:56] <mak> edmorley: right
# [14:56] <catlee> merge day is always bad
# [14:56] * mak does the last merge before everything explodes :)
# [14:56] <catlee> can't you guys get your stuff done ahead of time?
# [14:56] <catlee> :)
# [14:56] <mak> yes, but not get it reviewed :)
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# [14:56] <sheppy> Where's the sport in that
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# [14:57] <edmorley> although my previous comment implies tbpl has a steady track record for reliability for something that's a SPOF for development, ha
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# [14:59] <mak> hm I should have changed it to "TODAY!"
# [14:59] <catlee> OMG TODAY!
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# [15:00] <mak> good suggestion
# [15:00] <bhearsum> heh
# [15:00] <bhearsum> it was said that 6 week releases would prevent the need for such rushes
# [15:00] <nigelb> that's good!
# [15:00] <nigelb> there will always be a rush :)
# [15:01] <mak> bhearsum: no it was said soon or later we would have learned, maybe in one hundred years :)
# [15:01] <bhearsum> i'll just go extra slow today to balance things out
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# [15:11] <glandium> mak: why?
# [15:11] <mak> some change in central requires a clobber
# [15:11] <mak> or better the mixture of central and inbound
# [15:12] <mak> I assume smaug's changes
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# [15:30] <@ted> Standard8: i think just JS shell valgrind builds
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# [15:31] <catlee> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696299
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# [15:32] <catlee> ^^ tracks valgrind build bustage in js shell
# [15:32] <catlee> doesn't seem to get a lot of attention
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# [15:33] <Standard8> thanks
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# [15:33] <@ted> catlee: we're still building valgrind builds with gcc 4.3.3 according to that script...
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# [15:38] <andrei> is anyone around here planning on signing up for gsoc12?
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# [15:41] <BenWa> Do we have a CLOBBER type keyword in the changeset?
# [15:41] <BenWa> in the summary that is
# [15:41] <@smaug> andrei: you mean students? or are you looking for someone who knows more about GSoC ?
# [15:41] <@smaug> (gerv knows about GSoC)
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# [15:42] <@khuey> BenWa: no
# [15:42] <ajuma> BenWa: bug 717372
# [15:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d381ce0baac0 - Kyle Huey - Bug 735152: Disable the offending tests. r=me
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# [15:46] <andrei> @smaug: both, really:P
# [15:46] <andrei> I would like to take on the Networking Dashboard idea and implement it
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# [15:47] <andrei> but I'm not sure I want to directly apply for that project, as I'm not exactly certain what its requirements really are
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# [15:50] <Yoric> Does cdleary still work at Mozilla?
# [15:51] <@khuey> no
# [15:51] <Yoric> ok
# [15:51] <Yoric> Then I'll need to find another e-mail to reach him.
# [15:51] <Yoric> Thanks.
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# [15:53] <Yoric> Ok, I think I got one.
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# [15:57] <mak> with all these signing issues I wonder if we'll ever see a Win build
# [15:57] <Yoric> I am trying to understand a piece of code and I feel that I am missing something.
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# [15:58] <andrei> windows builds are still busted?
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# [15:58] <mak> they keep failing on the signing server
# [15:59] <andrei> hmm, any idea why? I found a bug on win7 x64 about a week ago in aurora
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# [15:59] <andrei> xpcom failed to init
# [16:00] <mak> no idea
# [16:00] <mak> edmorley: should we close till we get some Windows?
# [16:01] <mak> philor: ^?
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# [16:04] <edmorley> mak: I'm not sure, maybe see if it gets better in the next hour or so?
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# [16:05] <edmorley> a closed inbound may lead to people dumping on m-c, which might end up being more of a pain to sort out
# [16:05] <Standard8> close both?
# [16:06] <mak> I think whoever needs to push now will push to m-c regardless, fwiw
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# [16:08] <philor> if we don't stop dicking around with the ShutdownLeaks threshold, we're going to wake up one morning to find I've disabled it
# [16:08] <@smaug> smaugTB: pong
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# [16:09] <@bz> what's Tp5r ?
# [16:09] <philor> Tp, version 5, with responsiveness testing
# [16:09] <@bz> hmm
# [16:09] <@bz> ok
# [16:09] <@bz> it's showing 15%-like changes that Tp5 is not...
# [16:09] <@bz> expected?
# [16:10] <philor> ted: ^
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# [16:15] <@ted> bz: hrmph
# [16:15] <@ted> bz: oh
# [16:15] <@ted> it's not an actual Tp5 number
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# [16:15] <@ted> it's from the same Tp5 run
# [16:15] <@ted> it's that "responsiveness" metric measured during the same Tp5 run
# [16:15] <@ted> remember you and jlebar went back and forth on it in an email thread?
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# [16:18] <jlebar> ted, "tp5r_paint" is a Tp5 number, no?
# [16:18] <@ted> er, i guess?
# [16:18] <@ted> now i'm confused
# [16:18] <@ted> jmaher: do you know the right answers here?
# [16:18] <jlebar> There should be a separate responsiveness value?
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# [16:18] <jlebar> Which according to graphserver is not being calculated on m-i.
# [16:18] <jmaher> jlebar: tp5r_paint is tp5 with responsiveness and mozafterpaint
# [16:19] <mak> it is calculated, not reported in graph
# [16:19] <jlebar> Oh, that's useful.
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# [16:19] <mak> I filed a bug yesterday since m-i doesn't appear in the list but reports to tree-management
# [16:19] <@bz> I see
# [16:19] <@bz> ok, thanks
# [16:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8d1c74566a0b - Bill McCloskey - Bug 728686 - JS_NewPropertyIterator shouldn't disable IGC (r=igor)
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# [16:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a625b9ed671f - Bill McCloskey - Bug 734946 - Disable incremental GC for Firefox 13 (r=dmandelin)
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# [16:20] <@ted> jmaher: am i correct in thinking that we enable the responsiveness in the default tp5 run?
# [16:20] <jmaher> jlebar: I believe we can find the responsiveness data in a sep
# [16:20] <@ted> and tp5r is just the "responsiveness metric" from that run?
# [16:20] <jmaher> ted: we have responsiveness on for all osx and windoes tp5 runs
# [16:20] <jlebar> ted, There are like 5 values labeled "tp5r_foo"
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# [16:20] <Enn> smaug: does my comment in bug 605991 make sense?
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# [16:20] <@smaug> looking
# [16:21] <@ted> jmaher: right
# [16:21] <jmaher> tp5r_foo?
# [16:21] <jlebar> ted, "tp5r_paint" has got to be "tp5 with responsivness, time to paint"
# [16:21] <@ted> jlebar: that makes sense to me, but i don't know
# [16:21] <jmaher> jlebar: that is correct
# [16:21] <jmaher> anything with _paint measures the load time after receiving the mozafterpaint event
# [16:21] <@ted> jmaher: but that would indicate that tp5_paint and tp5r_paint are different?
# [16:21] <@ted> and i thought we were only running tp5 once
# [16:21] <jmaher> ted: correct
# [16:22] <jlebar> jmaher, No, tp5r_main_rss_paint, tp5r_pbytes_paint, tp5r_xres_paint are not times.
# [16:22] <jmaher> tp5 is normal tp5
# [16:22] <jmaher> and tp5r has responsiveness being collected
# [16:22] <@ted> are you sure?
# [16:22] <jmaher> as there is a bit of overhead with tp5r
# [16:22] <@ted> i don't think so
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# [16:22] <@ted> i thought we tweaked that to not have measurable overhead
# [16:22] <jlebar> ted, I bet the responsivness is being collected, but not reported.
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# [16:22] <jmaher> if you look on tbpl, you can see the responsiveness number
# [16:22] <@ted> where does all this stuff happen?
# [16:22] <jmaher> for windows and osx
# [16:22] <@ted> we should just figure it out
# [16:23] <jmaher> not sure I understand what the problem is here
# [16:23] <jlebar> jmaher, Oh, only for OSX and Windows. Yep, I see that.
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# [16:23] <jlebar> jmaher, One problem is, I don't see the data in graphserver.
# [16:23] <jmaher> ok
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# [16:23] <jmaher> lets see if we can find it
# [16:23] <jlebar> If it's there, it's hiding amongst the million platform / obsolete test combinations.
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# [16:24] <jlebar> jmaher, Okay, for mac, it's under "Tp5r responsiveness", not "tp5 responsiveness"
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# [16:25] <jmaher> jlebar: that sounds right
# [16:25] <mak> jlebar: bug 734942
# [16:25] <jlebar> jmaher, Why the latter exists is totally beyond me.
# [16:25] <jlebar> Oh jeez.
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# [16:26] <@khuey> bz: are you still at SXSW?
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# [16:26] <jmaher> jlebar: what I originally started with but realized it needed a different name before final deployment
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# [16:29] <@smaug> Enn: but why principal check wouldn't work?
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# [16:50] <@khuey> http://people.mozilla.org/~khuey/wtf.png
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# [16:51] <mounir> smaug: do you have 2 mins?
# [16:51] <@smaug> sure
# [16:51] <@smaug> 1 s, 2 s, 3s...
# [16:51] <nigelb> khuey: wtf
# [16:51] <Standard8> khuey: 1-day trip?
# [16:52] <@khuey> Standard8: nope
# [16:52] <mounir> smaug: hmm, actually, I should probably update my build before bothering you
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# [16:52] <@khuey> Standard8: the wtf part is the "recommended" flight being 6000 dollars more than the cheapest
# [16:52] <@khuey> nigelb: indeed
# [16:52] <nigelb> Nice algorithm.
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# [16:52] <Standard8> khuey: well its hard to tell from that image if the table at the top is actually one-way or two-way
# [16:53] <Standard8> hmm
# [16:53] <nigelb> even if its 2-way, that's way too high :P
# [16:53] <Standard8> maybe it is two-way and I was remembering wrong
# [16:53] <@khuey> ah
# [16:53] <@khuey> good question
# [16:53] <mounir> khuey: obviously, egencia knows about our google deal :)
# [16:53] <@khuey> I *think* it's one way
# [16:53] <@khuey> er
# [16:53] <@khuey> two ways
# [16:53] <@khuey> mounir: hah
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# [16:53] <nigelb> mounir: haha, I thought that too.
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# [16:54] <nigelb> "hey wait, mozilla just got a lot of money"
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# [16:58] * zzzzz wonders if trees should be closed lots of jobs pending, and there has not been a sucessful winopt win32 build all morning
# [16:58] <@smaug> mounir: oh, I probably also broken some b2g things last night
# [16:58] <@smaug> broke
# [16:59] <mounir> smaug: with your nsDOMEventTarget changes?
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# [16:59] <@smaug> yes
# [16:59] <mounir> smaug: thanks :)
# [16:59] <@smaug> mounir: but I have no idea where that b2g code lives
# [16:59] <mounir> at least, you definitely broke my patch queue
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# [17:00] <@smaug> and b2g is NPOTB, I can't really test easily
# [17:00] <mounir> yeah, I can understand that
# [17:00] <mounir> b2g has some stuff in dom/system/b2g
# [17:00] <mounir> actually, it's possible that there is no longer a b2g git clone of m-c
# [17:01] <mounir> vingtetun might know better
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# [17:03] <@khuey> hmm
# [17:03] <@khuey> flying to australia and back
# [17:03] <@khuey> leave SFO thursday evening, arrive saturday afternoon
# [17:03] <fabrice> mounir: there's cjones fork of doublec
# [17:04] <mounir> xpidl.IDLError: error: invalid syntax, /home/volkmar/projects/mozilla/webapi/dom/interfaces/events/nsIDOMMouseEvent.idl line 117:0
# [17:04] <@khuey> on the way back, leave saturday at 11 am, arrive saturday at 2 pm
# [17:04] <mounir> dictionary MouseEventInit : UIEventInit
# [17:04] * mounir kills himself
# [17:04] <@khuey> the international dateline is weird
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# [17:05] <jhammel> khuey: much weirder than the NBC domestic version of that program?
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# [17:05] <froydnj> less censoring
# [17:05] <@smaug> mounir: I think you need clobber
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# [17:06] <@smaug> mounir: and maybe even delete some .pyc files
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# [17:06] <mounir> smaug: i did try to delete some pyc files
# [17:06] <mounir> i will clobber
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# [17:06] <mounir> and rant
# [17:06] <mounir> but that's usual for a grumpy french
# [17:06] <@smaug> khuey: could we do something to those .pyc files?
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# [17:07] <@smaug> like, copy xpidl.py to objdir, create .pyc there
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# [17:12] <NeilAway> khuey: yeah, should be "1 stop or fewer" :-P
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# [17:13] <hub> how do you work around that build breakage in m-i ?
# [17:13] <hub> do I need to make clean?
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# [17:14] <jlebar> hub, I nuked my objdir.
# [17:14] <hub> ok, I'll do that then
# [17:14] <mounir> jlebar: do you think you can have a look at bug 725951?
# [17:14] <mounir> I'm afraid cjones might be busy with other things
# [17:14] <mounir> and it's blocking a few patches of mine
# [17:15] <jlebar> mounir, Yes, sure.
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# [17:18] <jlebar> mounir, I'm hesitant to go around cjones's back here.
# [17:18] <jlebar> mounir, Can you at least file the follow-up bug on the nsScreen issue?
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# [17:20] <mounir> jlebar: if you think that should be r+, I will not push it without speaking to cjones
# [17:20] <mounir> but at least, the r+ will be here
# [17:20] <mounir> jlebar: I will file a follow-up
# [17:21] <jlebar> mounir, Okay, sounds like a plan. I'm commenting in the bug.
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# [17:23] <@smaug> why am I getting (firefox:19736): Gdk-CRITICAL **: _gdk_pixmap_new: assertion `(width != 0) && (height != 0)' failed
# [17:23] <@smaug> (firefox:19736): GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixbuf_new: assertion `width > 0' failed
# [17:23] <@smaug> that is something new
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# [17:29] <jduell> So it seems we now have python 2.7 on the buildbots? I can't build the tree any more with 2.5
# [17:30] <jduell> the python tools in xpcom/idl-parser don't work (though they fail silently) w/o 2.7
# [17:30] <Waldo> jduell: you sure you don't need to rm xpcom/idl-parser/*.pyc?
# [17:30] <@smaug> and do a clobber build
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# [17:31] <jduell> Waldo: I started with rm -rf of my objdir, so I don't think that's it
# [17:31] <Waldo> jduell: that rm is not in your objdir
# [17:31] <@smaug> jduell: you need to delete .pyc
# [17:31] <jbuck> *.pyc files exist in your source dir
# [17:31] <jduell> ah, ok
# [17:31] <@smaug> in srcdir
# [17:31] <jduell> thanks
# [17:31] <Waldo> http://whereswalden.com/2012/03/02/psa-if-you-get-a-xpidllex-py-failure-building-mozilla-central-rm-topsrcdirxpcomidl-parser-pyc-bug-723861-eom/
# [17:31] <@smaug> it is insane, yes
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# [17:31] <jduell> good times
# [17:32] <Waldo> we used to be able to build with source on a readonly file system
# [17:32] <bhearsum> is the address bar drop down in my firefox nightly supposed to do nothing now?
# [17:32] <@ted> python makes this a PITA :-(
# [17:32] <@ted> there's no way to force it to write .pyc files to a different location AFAICT
# [17:32] <Waldo> not sure why we chose to break that, if indeed it is broken and this isn't just discretionary pyc-ing
# [17:32] <@ted> you can disable writing them at all, at a significant perf hit
# [17:32] <bhearsum> hmm, i think my profile is busted
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# [17:33] <@smaug> ted: why couldn't we copy/link the relevant .py files to objdir, and create .pyc there?
# [17:33] <jduell> why don't we rm the src/.pyc files during the build?
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# [17:33] <@ted> jduell: we could special-case these particular pyc files, i guess
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# [17:33] <@ted> since they don't need to exist
# [17:33] <Waldo> that does seem pleasant-making
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# [17:33] <@ted> yeah
# [17:34] <@ted> i'd take that patch
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# [17:34] <Waldo> it says something depressing that I never considered the possibility of doing that
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# [17:34] <@ted> heh
# [17:34] <@ted> yeah, everyone wants to solve the general problem here
# [17:34] <@ted> which is hard or impossible
# [17:34] <Waldo> "what tunnel? I don't see any walls"
# [17:35] <@ted> the only reason we hit this is because we used to have these .py files in the srcdir, and we changed to having them in the objdir
# [17:35] <@ted> that type of change almost never happens
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# [17:36] <jduell> ted: so is the fix to delete *.pyc in the xpcom/idl-parser tools as part of make export?
# [17:36] <@ted> i'm not sure exactly when it needs to happen
# [17:36] <jbuck> ted: apparently v3.2 adds the option to specify a directory to create *.pyc files in... just need to upgrade everything to python v3.2! :)
# [17:37] <@ted> you could test, update to an older revison, build there, then update to a newer revision
# [17:37] <@ted> jbuck: ooh, neat!
# [17:37] <@ted> we have a plan to get everything to 2.7 soon
# [17:37] <@ted> which should help us get to 3.x compat
# [17:37] <dougt> did we already pick the cset for the uplift?
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# [17:38] <Waldo> away from me, satan
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# [17:38] <jhammel> you can also tell python not to write .pyc files
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# [17:39] <jduell> ted: so the issue happens when we go from new->old python, or in both directions?
# [17:39] <@ted> jhammel: yeah, at a perf cost
# [17:39] <@ted> jduell: the issue happens before/after some changeset that made us generate the .py files in the objdir instead of having checked-in copies
# [17:40] <jhammel> ted: sure, i'm just guessing it would be negligible; especially considering the number of times the question has came up in the last couple of weeks
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# [17:40] <@ted> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ab0a659233a0
# [17:40] <@ted> jhammel: i would bet heavily against that
# [17:40] <@ted> given the number of times we invoke python scripts during the build
# [17:41] <@ted> jhammel: and this is one particular instance, i don't think it warrants boiling the ocean
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# [17:41] <@ted> jduell: right, so, we had checked-in copies of these generated .py files prior to that changeset, so when you built you'd get .pyc files in the srcdir next to them
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# [17:41] <@ted> after that changeset, we generated them into the objdir
# [17:42] <@smaug> no
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# [17:42] <@ted> unfortunately that somehow screws up our dependency system
# [17:42] <@smaug> there was the xpidl.pyc problem some time ago
# [17:42] <@smaug> and .pyc files had to be removed from src
# [17:42] <@smaug> and today there is the .pyc problem again
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# [17:43] <@smaug> ted: hmm, or did I misunderstood
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# [17:43] <@smaug> did I misunderstand
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# [17:45] <Waldo> oh, so this *.pyc problem is a new, distinct instance of the previous version? should we update /topic again and blog about it again, then?
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# [17:45] <@ted> i don't know?
# [17:45] <@ted> i think people are still complaining about the most-recent one
# [17:45] <@ted> that your blog post talks about
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# [17:46] <@smaug> there was a change to xpidl.py last night, and that somehow caused the problem to happen again, I think
# [17:46] <@ted> er, what?
# [17:46] <@ted> that's news to me
# [17:46] <froydnj> except that one was not solved by removing objdir pycs
# [17:47] * Waldo supposes he should just do a new build to see what the failure mode is :-)
# [17:47] <@smaug> yeah, I had to remove .pyc from srcdir, and do a clobber
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# [17:50] <froydnj> ah, dev-platform messages again, finally
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# [17:55] <@khuey> ugh
# [17:55] <@khuey> I hate it when I find a patch that was totally borken
# [17:55] <@khuey> and then see that I r+d it
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# [17:57] <@smaug> :)
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# [17:59] <@khuey> clearly I didn't look at this at all :-(
# [17:59] <Waldo> khuey: did it trigger a pwn2own 0day?
# [17:59] <@khuey> nope!
# [17:59] * Waldo did that!
# [18:00] <@khuey> nice
# [18:00] * @khuey feels a bit better now
# [18:00] <Waldo> although, I precog-fixed the bug a month and a half ago, well before the pwn2own thing happened
# [18:00] <Waldo> which is why we are releasing today, rather than delaying for that 0day
# [18:00] <Waldo> good times
# [18:00] <Waldo> ish
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# [18:00] <@khuey> -48days, right? :-P
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# [18:00] <@khuey> -48 fucking days, that is
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# [18:01] <Waldo> something like that
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# [18:01] <Waldo> the most interesting 0day-fixer in the world
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# [18:02] <jdm> Waldo: I'm on it!
# [18:03] <Waldo> \o/
# [18:03] <jdm> mozmeme or mozillameme?
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# [18:03] <ewong> ftr, this xpidl.IDLError: error: invalid syntax, ...\nsIDOMEvent.idl line 185:0 error is irritating.. I've clobbered, rm all the pyc..
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# [18:04] <Waldo> I am vaguely partial to the latter, but I can neither explain nor justify why, nor do I particularly care either way :-)
# [18:04] <ewong> btw build c-c
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# [18:04] <ewong> solution: blow away ./mozilla and then |python client.py checkout| to get back ./mozilla
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# [18:05] <jlebar> The only special character in a pref name is "."?
# [18:05] <smontagu> ewong: what about my patch queue? :S
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# [18:06] <Waldo> jlebar: I don't think any characters at all are special, actually
# [18:06] <Waldo> . is just a convention
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# [18:06] <jlebar> Waldo, So when you watch "foo.*", it's actually doing a substring match?
# [18:06] <Waldo> which is a little dumb, because having a canonical separator would permit some optimizations, but so it goes
# [18:06] <Waldo> jlebar: I think so, yes, although I'm not 100% certain
# [18:06] <Waldo> probably 80% sure or so
# [18:07] <jlebar> Waldo, Good enough for me! :D
# [18:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cf4978c2e32c - Serge Gautherie - Bug 735139. (Av1a) Improve browser_pageInfo.js a little. r=dao.
# [18:07] <jlebar> Waldo, Thanks. :)
# [18:07] <Waldo> jlebar: https://twitter.com/#!/sayrer/status/19304989209
# [18:07] <ewong> smontagu: you also dev in c-c? if you're in mc and encounter it.. apparently a clobber and rm *.pyc works
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# [18:07] <smontagu> ewong: oh sorry, I didn't get before what you meant by c-c
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# [18:08] <smontagu> (I do dev in c-c occasionally, but right now I'm still building m-c)
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# [18:09] <ewong> smontagu: ok..
# [18:09] <ewong> anyway.. just saying.. back to your regularly scheduled program...
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# [18:09] <@khuey> oh, nice
# [18:09] <@khuey> this might not be our fault at all
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# [18:11] <@khuey> oh that's awesome
# [18:11] <@khuey> fuck ply :-(
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# [18:11] <@ted> sfink++
# [18:11] <@ted> (for bzexport's --new functionality)
# [18:12] <@khuey> omg that finally happened?
# [18:12] <jprmc> lsblakk: where might your release drivers nag script live?
# [18:12] <jprmc> i want to look at the code that steals from python
# [18:12] <jprmc> steals from ldap i mean :-)
# [18:12] <lsblakk> heh - https://github.com/lsblakk/bztools is where they live right now - still very rough
# [18:12] <lsblakk> i'm putting up some more fixes today
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# [18:12] <@khuey> so, the balance is
# [18:12] <lsblakk> but the phonebook stuff is there
# [18:13] <@khuey> bholley-- for breaking this
# [18:13] <@khuey> khuey-- for reviewing it
# [18:13] <jprmc> lsblakk: thanks
# [18:13] <@khuey> and ply----------- for being a totally broken POS
# [18:13] <@ted> khuey: what's the problem?
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# [18:14] <@khuey> ted: regenerating the lex/yacc files for xpidl.py is broken
# [18:14] <@ted> urgh
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# [18:16] * Waldo did |rm xpcom/idl-parser/*.py other-licenses/ply/ply/*.pyc| and didn't manage to fix the bustage, fwiw
# [18:17] <Waldo> will wait for details on how to fix for bloggerization
# [18:17] <@khuey> Waldo: rm objdir/xpcom/idl-parser/*.py should do it, I think
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# [18:18] <Waldo> make[8]: *** No rule to make target `../../../xpcom/idl-parser/xpidllex.py', needed by `libs'. Stop.
# [18:18] <Waldo> funtimes
# [18:18] <@khuey> yeah
# [18:18] <@khuey> this is just broken :-/
# [18:18] * @khuey fixes
# [18:18] <Yoric> :/
# [18:19] <Waldo> removing the *.pyc files as well did seem to fix it, tho
# [18:19] <Waldo> so I guess the question is whether I need to blog about removing both, or just removing the *.pyc files, since I don't know which was really responsible, or if both were
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# [18:19] <@khuey> you need to wait for me to fix the tree
# [18:19] <@khuey> and then people can just pull
# [18:19] <Waldo> :-)
# [18:19] <@ted> heh
# [18:20] <Waldo> sgtm
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# [18:21] <mounir> khuey: do you have a clue why this patch https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/e2eefc547ecc can provoke these errors on Windows: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=9942798&full=1&branch=try#error0 ?
# [18:21] <mounir> khuey: plz, help me :)
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# [18:23] <gcp> mounir: did you notice the ifdef XP_WIN #undef GetClassName?
# [18:24] <mounir> yes
# [18:24] <gcp> mounir: maybe it needs to sit before your include?
# [18:24] <@khuey> yeah, that's almost certainly an #ifdef
# [18:24] <@khuey> er
# [18:24] <@khuey> a #define
# [18:24] <mounir> but when nsScreen.h was included below that, I think it was also failing
# [18:24] <mounir> I can change and send that to try again but I'm pretty sure it's not related :(
# [18:25] <gcp> would be strange not to be related given that the error is on GetClassName :P
# [18:25] <@khuey> your problem is almost certainly that the decl is being #defined to GetClassNameA
# [18:25] <gcp> (I'm not saying the fix is as simple as that)
# [18:25] <@khuey> er
# [18:25] <@khuey> the impl
# [18:26] <mounir> khuey: what do you mean?
# [18:26] <BenWa> khuey: I put up a clobber patch, I'm tired of not knowing when to clobber
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# [18:26] * Waldo notes the binaryname() IDL annotation would solve the GetClassName matter, although not source-backwards-compatibly, if that matters (one hopes it doesn't)
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# [18:27] <@khuey> ted: r?http://khuey.pastebin.mozilla.org/1517219
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# [18:27] <@khuey> mounir: windows.h will #define GetClassName GetClassName[A|W]
# [18:27] <@khuey> mounir: I expect that the implementations of GetClassName are getting redefined, but not the decls
# [18:28] <@khuey> mounir: adding the hal stuff to nsScreen.h is probably dragging in windows.h somewhere it's not wanted
# [18:28] <@khuey> BenWa: I saw
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# [18:29] <mounir> khuey: hmm, ok
# [18:29] <@khuey> ted: speedy r+ appreciated ;-)
# [18:29] <@ted> khuey: r=me
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# [18:29] <@khuey> that was speedy
# [18:30] <mounir> khuey: so I should whether remove Hal.h from the header
# [18:30] <mounir> or hack around that
# [18:30] <@khuey> yeah
# [18:30] <mounir> the later seems the easiest
# [18:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/466c118c3e44 - Kyle Huey - No bug: Fix ply being dumb. r=ted
# [18:30] <@khuey> yes, that's what we usually do
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# [18:30] <mounir> khuey: do you have an example?
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# [18:31] <@khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=undef+GetClassName&find=&findi=&;filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=mozilla-central
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# [18:33] <mounir> hmm, doesn't help me that much
# [18:34] * mounir should find a bran
# [18:34] <mounir> brain, even
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# [18:36] <@khuey> ARRGGGGHHH
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# [18:37] <@khuey> that's it
# [18:37] <@khuey> nobody is allowed to write makefiles anymore
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# [18:38] <@ted> haha
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# [18:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b6627f28b7ec - Kyle Huey - No bug: Fix ply being stupid, take 2. r=me
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# [18:41] <lduros> anybody knows for a fact that beforescriptexecute does _not_ get triggered for <script> from "data uri"?
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# [18:42] <lduros> i have documents loaded from data uri, beforescriptexecute doesn't get triggered, however, it gets triggered just fine for other pages, including remote websites
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# [18:48] <AryehGregor> ehsan (or anyone else): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735059#c2 So you're saying that if a mochitest does nothing except throw an exception, the test is a pass? That sounds like a bug in how mochitests work. Wouldn't it make a lot more sense that if a mochitest ran no actual tests, it failed?
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# [18:49] <@ted> AryehGregor: yes, that would make sense
# [18:49] <AryehGregor> Has anyone tried it?
# [18:49] <AryehGregor> I imagine it would involve a simple patch to the mochitest code followed by fixing about a million newly-failing tests.
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# [18:55] <@khuey> I wish tinderbox logs didn't destroy gecko
# [18:56] <@ted> yeah :-(
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# [18:56] <WeirdAl> what's a little plaintext among friends? :p
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# [18:58] <NeilAway> so, Firefox 12 is about to be uplifted from aurora to beta, is that right?
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# [18:58] <Pike> MarcoZ: is there a good alias to CC on bug for a11y? notably, bug 717922 talks about a11y on osx, which I think is changing, right?
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# [19:00] <MarcoZ> pike: I'd use the disability.apis@core.bugs if it's something concerning the API changes for OS X etc. Or individuals like :hub, :MarcoZ or :davidb.
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# [19:00] <andrei> wait, they're entering the beta?
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# [19:01] <andrei> what about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733684
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# [19:09] <mbrubeck> andrei: If that happens only in your local builds (and not in Mozilla's official builds) then it doesn't need to block beta. (But of course we should still fix it.)
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# [19:11] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: it would make sense to me, and I would love to see a patch which does that, but be warned that there are existing tests which rely on this (broken) semantics
# [19:11] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: so fixing that is not as easy as changing this one test
# [19:11] <AryehGregor> ehsan, yes, that's why the patch would cause a zillion test failures that would need to be fixed.
# [19:12] <hub> Pike: I'll cc myself
# [19:12] <AryehGregor> Why would a test rely on those semantics, though?
# [19:12] <@ehsan> exactly
# [19:12] <AryehGregor> I mean, deliberately?
# [19:12] <@ehsan> stupidness ;)
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# [19:12] <AryehGregor> Probably some of the test failures the change would cause would just be test bugs.
# [19:13] <@ehsan> yeah I would not be surprised
# [19:13] <AryehGregor> Where's the code that would have to be changed to fix this, and who would be someone to talk to about reviewing a patch?
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# [19:15] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: the person is ted, let me dig up a link for you
# [19:15] <AryehGregor> ehsan, thanks.
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# [19:15] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mochitest/tests/SimpleTest/SimpleTest.js?force=1#321
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# [19:17] <AryehGregor> I guess there are tests that do stuff like: should_throw_exception(); ok(false);
# [19:17] <mounir> smaug: why is mOwner private?
# [19:17] <AryehGregor> Which I guess isn't necessarily wrong.
# [19:18] <@smaug> mounir: so that it is set explicitly only using the methods nsDOMEventTargetHelper provides
# [19:18] <@smaug> mounir: it is a raw pointer, so need to be careful with it
# [19:18] <@khuey> sllooooooowwwwwwww buzilla
# [19:18] <mounir> smaug: I had a patch using mOwner as the window owning the screen object
# [19:18] <mounir> I guess I should just set a mWindow member var now
# [19:18] <@smaug> mounir: use GetOwner()
# [19:19] <@smaug> (it may return null, like the method name hints )
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# [19:21] <mounir> smaug: ok, I guess I could deal with that
# [19:22] <@smaug> mounir: it returns null when the window is gone
# [19:23] <@smaug> so I could expect that your thing shouldn't do anything at that point
# [19:23] <mounir> smaug: actually, I use it to call two methods, one was checking if the argument was null, I just added a check for the second
# [19:23] <AryehGregor> ehsan, actually, I'd make two changes: a test that runs no tests should fail, and a test that throws an uncaught exception should also fail.
# [19:23] <AryehGregor> Even if it ran some tests that passed.
# [19:23] <mounir> that was unexpectidly easy ;)
# [19:24] <AryehGregor> The second is perhaps even more important.
# [19:24] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: they both make sense to me, but I think they should be separate bugs
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# [19:24] <AryehGregor> Yes, agreed.
# [19:26] <gps> does anyone know where the Mozilla London office is?
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# [19:26] <Waldo> London?
# [19:26] <jhammel> 221B Baker St
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# [19:27] <WeirdAl> jhammel: Elementary!
# [19:27] <gps> jhammel: by the giant park?
# [19:27] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: thanks so much for taking on this :)
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# [19:27] <Waldo> that location seems a bit irregular compared to our other locations
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# [19:28] <WeirdAl> Waldo++
# [19:28] <cpeterson> irregular how?
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# [19:28] <Waldo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_Street_Irregulars
# [19:29] <gps> I think I've been trolled :/
# [19:29] <AryehGregor> ehsan, looks like mochitests already fail on uncaught exceptions? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365929 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667155 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670817
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# [19:30] <sheppy> Did we ship? :)
# [19:30] * AryehGregor checks that his test actually fails on regresssion
# [19:30] <@smaug> bugzilla, could you be any slower
# [19:30] <AryehGregor> regression
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# [19:31] <AryehGregor> ehsan, it looks like uncaught exceptions do indeed cause test failures already.
# [19:31] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: hmm yeah... for some reason I have never relied on it :/
# [19:31] <@ehsan> maybe that's because I have very little faith in our test framework ;)
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# [19:33] <WeirdAl> sheppy: hm, my FF is trying to download an update but is stuck at 0 bytes
# [19:33] <sheppy> WeirdAl: that's no fun
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# [19:34] <WeirdAl> release channel, so no beta/aurora funkiness here
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# [19:36] <jgilbert> my release update downloaded, but was quite slow
# [19:36] <AryehGregor> ehsan, so I can take the r+ on the current patch with no changes, right? I just tested, and backing out the IDL change causes the test to fail.
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# [19:37] <sheppy> We're so far behind on docs now.
# [19:37] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: sure
# [19:37] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: also, please mark the bug as dev-doc-needed
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# [19:37] <sheppy> ehsan++
# [19:37] <AryehGregor> ehsan, okay.
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# [19:38] <@ehsan> ty
# [19:38] <AryehGregor> Is there something wrong with this test run? It's only showing B and Bq, no actual tests. https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=cb573ba079ca
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# [19:38] <@ehsan> looking
# [19:39] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: -u none means no unit tests
# [19:39] <@ehsan> you want -u all
# [19:39] <AryehGregor> I didn't say -u none.
# [19:39] <AryehGregor> I just said [autoland].
# [19:39] <@ehsan> oh
# [19:39] <@ehsan> well
# [19:39] <@ehsan> lsblakk: I think that's a bug: ^
# [19:39] <AryehGregor> I guess autoland got confused and merged my commit with someone else's incorrectly?
# [19:40] <AryehGregor> Oh, wait.
# [19:40] <@ehsan> mjessome: ^
# [19:40] <@ehsan> could be
# [19:40] <AryehGregor> Hmm.
# [19:40] <AryehGregor> Oh, so the new syntax is [autoland-try].
# [19:40] <@ehsan> so what does [autoland] mean?
# [19:40] <AryehGregor> Ack, defaults changed on me.
# [19:40] <AryehGregor> Default try syntax is "-b do -p all -u none -t none"
# [19:41] <AryehGregor> It used to be -u none. >:(
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# [19:42] <jgilbert> would newer versions of msvc compile faster?
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# [19:43] <vlad> not necessarily
# [19:44] <vlad> also msvc is really fast already
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# [19:44] <Waldo> you can write a really fast compiler that generates really slow code
# [19:44] <jgilbert> it's just the horrific make glue on windows?
# [19:44] <vlad> (it's the rest of the win32 build infrastructure that's slow, not the compiling itself)
# [19:44] <vlad> yeah
# [19:44] <Waldo> but generally the march of progress goes the opposite way
# [19:44] <Waldo> plus make, yeah
# [19:44] <vlad> if we were able to pass msvc all the .cpp files in one dir in one go, it would be significnatly faster
# [19:44] <vlad> er, significantly
# [19:45] <vlad> since we wouldn't have all the process spawning overhead, plus make derp
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# [19:46] <AryehGregor> Blah, the bot removed my [autoland-try:-u all] because it was already in the queue with different options.
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# [19:46] <AryehGregor> Phooey.
# [19:47] <AryehGregor> Also, that run seems to not be doing anything? All the builds finished except Win64, which is purple.
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# [19:47] <AryehGregor> I guess I'll leave it alone and hope it finishes soon.
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# [19:50] <WeirdAl> that was fun - update failed
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# [19:55] <lsblakk> ehsan: i believe mjessome has disabled [autoland] as an option because as we move to branch landings we want specificity
# [19:55] <@ehsan> lsblakk: AryehGregor's autoland did push to try, but with -u none
# [19:55] <@ehsan> lsblakk: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=cb573ba079ca
# [19:56] <lsblakk> mjessome: ^^ looks like the try syntax override has a bug
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# [20:00] <mjessome> hmmm... strange. looking into it
# [20:00] <mjessome> thanks
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# [20:07] <gaston> anyone can give me a clue why some jit tests would only fail on linux{,64} debug and not on opt builds, with patchset from #691898 / https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=ff2bd33b8476 ?
# [20:08] <gaston> i have no idea what is so special in debug builds wrt jits..
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# [20:11] <froydnj> can anybody running nightly do three things for me? open about:config and report the value of idle.lastDailyNotification, report what day your build is from, and about how long your current session has been up?
# [20:11] <romaxa> taras: ping
# [20:11] <taras> romaxa: sup
# [20:12] <romaxa> taras: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/aef1c7a2dd3c/xpcom/base/nsCycleCollector.cpp#l1.45,
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# [20:12] <romaxa> taras: mozilla/Telemetry.h:47: fatal error: shared-libraries.h: No such file or directory
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# [20:13] <taras> romaxa: vladan added that
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# [20:14] <romaxa> taras: sounds like or -I$(topsrcdir)/tools/profiler needed, or tools profiler need to be compiled first
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# [20:14] <romaxa> vladan: ping
# [20:14] <vladan> romaxa: hey
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# [20:14] <romaxa> vladan: check log above
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# [20:16] <romaxa> vladan: of course not
# [20:16] <glandium> i like mails that say something happens in n minutes, when you know mails are usually not transferred instantly...
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# [20:16] <romaxa> vladan: I guess MOZ_SPS_... ifdef needed in Telemetry.h
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# [20:17] <jhammel> ... why not mail me after its posted?
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# [20:22] <AryehGregor> Now my new run seems to have defaulted to -p linux?
# [20:22] <AryehGregor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=975dd82afb07
# [20:22] <AryehGregor> Or -p linux,linux64 rather.
# [20:22] <AryehGregor> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Build:Autoland says the default is -p all.
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# [20:23] <fryn> AryehGregor: look again?
# [20:23] <lsblakk> um, ya :)
# [20:23] * AryehGregor looks again
# [20:23] <AryehGregor> Look again where?
# [20:23] <lsblakk> sadly that push won't report back to the bug because of 'bug None' - but it's an improvement :)
# [20:23] <lsblakk> AryehGregor: refresh tbpl
# [20:24] <lsblakk> i see all builds on all platforms
# [20:24] <fryn> i.e. look again at this page: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=975dd82afb07
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# [20:24] <AryehGregor> I see all builds, but not the grayed out M and R next to the non-Linux platforms.
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# [20:24] <AryehGregor> Linux debug B 12345oth CJRX
# [20:24] <AryehGregor> But, e.g., Win opt just has a "B".
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# [20:25] <philor> those are pending and running tests, because the builds have already gotten past the step where they upload, the other builds haven't yet
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# [20:26] <AryehGregor> Okay.
# [20:27] <jduell> robarnold: ping
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# [20:30] <jduell> sfink: ping
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# [20:32] <jduell> I tried to set "patch_format = bug-%%(bugnum)" but this winds up renaming my patch 'bug-%(bugnum)'
# [20:33] <jduell> tried various other things, must be doing something stupid...
# [20:33] <sfink> Try patch_format = bug-%(bugnum)s
# [20:33] <sfink> mine is patch_format = bug-%(bugnum)s-%(desc)s
# [20:34] <sfink> some version of hg made a change in single vs double % signs in .hgrc
# [20:34] <jduell> sfink: aha!
# [20:35] <jduell> sfink: is there something bad about using '-'? If I set "patch_format = %(bugnum)-%(filename)", I get "renamed 729182 -> %(filename)"
# [20:35] <sfink> you need the trailing s
# [20:36] <sfink> I think it's "%(field)typechar"
# [20:36] <jduell> sfink: ahhhh. mmmK, thanks...
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# [20:46] <krit> AryehGregor: Can you look at https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16327 please?
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# [20:46] <AryehGregor> krit, I second what Simon says. I'd prefer a description of what's wrong, and a patch rather than a replacement file.
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# [20:46] <AryehGregor> It's very hard to review in this form.
# [20:47] <krit> AryehGregor: ha, missed his comment :)
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# [20:56] <Bas> ted: ping
# [20:57] <@ted> Bas: pong
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# [20:57] <Bas> ted: I'm working on alder and am inside a .gypi, but I need it to add dist/include to the include path, what's the right way?
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# [20:59] <@ted> ick
# [20:59] <@ted> i think there's some existing place we do that
# [20:59] <@ted> also i saw your bug comment re: dependencies, haven't had a chance to look at that yet (but it surprises me)
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# [21:00] <Bas> ted: Yeah, that's no blocker for my work though, so I don't mind :)
# [21:00] <@ted> okay
# [21:00] * @ted looks
# [21:00] <Bas> ted: Looks like $(builddir)
# [21:00] <Bas> ted: Found it used in jpeg.gypi
# [21:01] <@ted> totally possible
# [21:02] <@ted> '$(DIST)/include'
# [21:02] <@ted> should work
# [21:02] <@ted> inside 'include_dirs': [
# [21:02] <@ted> the builddir one is bogus
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# [21:02] <@ted> i think maybe i just never changed that
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# [21:13] <evilpie> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36kr7a/
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# [21:15] -lsblakk:#developers- -- merge mechanics starting shortly, will be closing mozilla-aurora and mozilla-beta for merge, notfication will be sent when they are re-opened
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# [21:19] <Bas> ted: Hrm, trying it, is there a way to regenerate makefiles without reconfiguring?
# [21:19] <@ted> not currently, no
# [21:19] <Bas> A raw build doesn't seem to regenerate
# [21:19] <@ted> i need to fix that
# [21:19] <Bas> Ok :)
# [21:19] <Bas> Thanks!
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# [21:21] <@ted> yeah, the gyp files generate Makefiles directly, not Makefile.ins
# [21:21] <@ted> so the existing depeendencies don't work
# [21:21] <@ted> needs work
# [21:21] <Bas> ted: Sadly that makes sense :)
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# [21:45] <tchevalier> lmandel: ping
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# [21:46] <tchevalier> lmandel: Hi! I have an idea, I just want to know what you think
# [21:46] <tchevalier> I think it will be better if we hide the telemetry warning in the about dialog when telemetry is disabled, because when telemetry is disabled, it's false to say "It automatically sends information about performance ... etc.". Furthermore, the user may think telemetry is still enabled, whereas it's false.
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# [21:47] <lmandel> tchevalier: That's an interesting idea. I wonder if having that text selectively appear may cause more confusion. Perhaps we need to modify the text to say "It may automatically…"
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# [21:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/aa79256bd27f - cltbld - Added tag FIREFOX_AURORA_13_BASE for changeset b6627f28b7ec
# [21:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/956e2f735262 - Lukas Blakk - Merging in version bump NO BUG
# [21:49] <tchevalier> lmandel: If we said "it may" it's like said: you don't know when telemetry is send or not, no?
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# [21:49] <lmandel> techavlier: "If enabled"?
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# [21:50] <lmandel> If you think this needs to be changed go ahead and file the bug. Use whiteboard [Telemetry] and we can talk about the exact behaviour and wording in the bug. Right off it seems odd to me to change the about dialog text based on feature selection but I do get the issue that you've identified.
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# [21:52] <tchevalier> lmandel: Yeah, I'll will file a bug an explain that a little more :) Thanks
# [21:52] <tchevalier> Gah... bad English...
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# [22:38] <@khuey> heh, trip from SF to Santa Clara during rush hour
# [22:38] <@khuey> "take Caltrain to San Jose, then take Caltrain back north to Santa Clara"
# [22:38] <philor> ttaubert: you've got a 10.5 leak on mozilla-central brought over from fx-team
# [22:38] <philor> somebody remind me why we need it again?
# [22:38] <@bz> khuey: where in the directions is "slit wrists"?
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# [22:39] <@khuey> bz: the transfer to the bus after exiting the Santa Clara caltrain station
# [22:39] * @khuey may just take a cab for that part
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# [22:43] <edmorley> philor: 10.5 or fx-team... :-)
# [22:44] <philor> the latter, my 10.5 box is only recently dead and still lamented
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# [22:45] <philor> we're not putting a return address on the code we're shipping to aurora, right?
# [22:45] <philor> we really don't want it to know who sent it this dump
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# [22:46] <philor> near permaleeak, near permaorange, Windows builds infrequently make it through packaging, and I'm pretty sure Android native is hosed
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# [22:47] <philor> maybe only on whatever version of Android is on the Tegras, but still hosed
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# [22:48] <philor> on the bright side, inbound has very nearly stopped getting Mac builds, so we're not leaking there
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# [22:50] <philor> dougt: looks like you're asserting in Mac M1 and M3, when we manage to run it
# [22:51] <philor> ah, and Linux32 can manage the same leak, sometimes
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# [22:54] <cpeterson> I don't think I've ever seen the Android tests all green. :\
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# [22:54] <philor> I have
# [22:55] <philor> I've also seen them normally fail
# [22:55] <philor> this ain't it
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# [22:56] <philor> this is somewhere between 5 and 10 times as much "either it didn't start, or it crashed so early we didn't even spot it as a crash" as normal
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# [23:05] <nemo> how do I make firefox stop trying to start a profile in safe mode?
# [23:05] <nemo> I was trying to see if I could reproduce a crasher
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# [23:06] <nemo> ah. luckily it still crashes in safe mode. not surprising I guess
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# [23:06] <nemo> http://shw.gl/show/fLVIBHHms1JeLkEnyOpv9a9CmCL reproducibly crashes every time on this machine, probably fglrx' fault as usual
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# [23:08] <ejpbruel_> jorendorff: replied to you in bug 703537
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# [23:08] <nemo> I bet it'll be better after a reboot though
# [23:08] <nemo> this card has a habit of doing that
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# [23:10] <sicking> jduell: ping
# [23:10] <jduell> sicking: ack
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# [23:10] <jduell> oh wait, wrong protocol...
# [23:10] <jduell> anyway, you rang?
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# [23:11] <sicking> jduell: do we have a bug on the fact that websockets always download binary messages as in-memory blobs. I.e. we never stream blobs to disk
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# [23:11] <aki|buildduty> kats: pong
# [23:11] <kats> i'm planning to merge maple back to m-c tomorrow
# [23:11] <jduell> sicking: yes, bug 704447
# [23:11] <kats> just wanted to see if there's anything i need to know
# [23:12] <kats> right now i think the only problem is that some of the tests are failing on maple and will need to be hidden on m-c
# [23:12] <aki|buildduty> kats: hm, if things change significantly we probably want to clobber m-c
# [23:12] <aki|buildduty> hiding the known bad tests is good, yes
# [23:12] <sicking> jduell: thanks!
# [23:13] <jduell> np
# [23:13] <philor> jduell: still busted, though it took a couple of pushes to get a test_traceable_channel_wrap.js
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# [23:13] <jduell> philor: arrrrrrrrgh
# [23:13] <kats> aki|buildduty: ok, so android T(w) will need to be hidden i think. right now T(s) is also hidden on maple but that seems to be passing according to the logs so it can remain unhidden on m-c
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# [23:14] <aki|buildduty> kats: that's doable through tbpl; do you have the sheriff pass
# [23:14] <aki|buildduty> ?
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# [23:14] <kats> aki|buildduty: no
# [23:15] <jduell> philor: aha--but at least I now know it's an issue with getting local, not remote addrs.
# [23:15] <jduell> philor: I guess we should back it out while I sort that out.
# [23:15] <aki|buildduty> kats: just cc'ed you to the bug
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# [23:16] <aki|buildduty> kats: now you can hide T(w) via Tree Info -> Open tree admin panel
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# [23:16] <kats> aki|buildduty: cool, thanks. any other gotchas i should keep an eye out for?
# [23:17] <aki|buildduty> that's all i can think of right now. ping if you need something tomorrow.
# [23:17] <kats> aki|buildduty: awesome, thanks
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# [23:19] <stuart> nightlies seem almost unusable :(
# [23:19] <nemo> ?
# [23:19] <nemo> how so?
# [23:19] <stuart> keeps hanging
# [23:19] <stuart> it'll come back
# [23:19] <stuart> but super long pauses
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# [23:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c71845b3b2a6 - Fabrice Desré - Bug 735305 - Update WebTelephony impl to use the new DOMEventTargetHelper API [r=smaug,bent]
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# [23:22] <jduell> philor: backed out, thanks for heads up
# [23:22] <stuart> my browser is totally hung :/
# [23:22] <stuart> bleh
# [23:22] <philor> jduell: np, better luck next time
# [23:23] <philor> ttaubert: looks like the leak probably came from https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/c7e4db80d280
# [23:23] <nemo> stuart: not happening here. but then, I'm in a completely clean profile right now.
# [23:23] <philor> what with the whole "it has one unstarred, and one starred as just the test failure"
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# [23:24] <nemo> stuart: mostly due to that whole "once in safe mode, stays in safe mode" thing from the crash I was poking at
# [23:24] <philor> dougt: ping
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# [23:26] <philor> edmorley: still early enough in the day to wield your headsman's axe?
# [23:26] <edmorley> yup :-)
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# [23:27] <philor> the M1 assert doesn't make as much sense to me, but it's there in lockstep with the same assert in M3 in a devicemotion test
# [23:27] <qheaden> i completely forgot about the uplift today, until I looked on PCWorld.com :P
# [23:28] <edmorley> philor: the OS X M-oth leak ? and c7e4db80d280 ?
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# [23:29] <philor> edmorely: dunno what and where to do about that, I'm looking at inbound, Mac M1 and M3 on dougt's first push and the next time it built, so looking at backing out 8b74d5ae78c3 and c619bbb2951f:9d9392fce538
# [23:29] <jdm> gavin: did a bug about opening up mxr/addons somehow ever get filed?
# [23:30] <philor> "they failed, and then nine pushes later they failed, so they're permaorange," gotta love that
# [23:30] <philor> and ten pushes
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# [23:30] <edmorley> philor: ah sorry i see what you mean
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# [23:31] <philor> yeah, they were pretty hidden, but I'm always suspicious of him :D
# [23:31] <edmorley> :-)
# [23:31] <edmorley> khuey taught us well
# [23:31] <philor> indeed!
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# [23:32] <philor> the leak (which isn't just Mac, it's on Linux32 as well), I guess we should back out on inbound, since we've got the pushes to be sure one way or the other whether we got it
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# [23:37] <qheaden> Are the mailing lists used anymore? I went to one and saw a ton of spam.
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# [23:38] <jdm> qheaden: which ones? there are several which are really, really, busy right now
# [23:38] <edmorley> qheaden: depends on the list, dev.platform, dev.planning really active
# [23:38] <jdm> governance as well
# [23:38] <jdm> and dev.apps.firefox, I expect
# [23:38] <edmorley> philor: bah mercurial took forever, done finally anyway
# [23:39] <qheaden> Oh ok. I need to sign up to one, as I am detached from the juicy news. :P
# [23:39] <qheaden> My inbox will probably overrun though.
# [23:39] <edmorley> and dev.tree-management (not that many people landing look at it...)
# [23:39] <jdm> heh
# [23:39] <Mook_as> qheaden: they're also (mostly) available as google groups / newsgroups.
# [23:39] <qheaden> Well, at least gmail supports threading.
# [23:39] <edmorley> qheaden: you can use the google groups interface or else just a newsreader
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# [23:39] <qheaden> Hmm ok.
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# [23:40] <qheaden> So dev.planning is for news about upcoming plans for Mozilla?
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# [23:40] <Bas> ted: If I want to link XPCOM into gkmedia.dll, how hard would that be?
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# [23:44] <cers> it seems like we don't expose the value of -moz-font-feature-settings to js - is there a reason for that? (or am I wrong?)
# [23:45] <edmorley> qheaden: many of the groups have descriptions at http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/ if that helps?
# [23:45] <philor> edmorley: thanks for swinging the axe :)
# [23:45] <edmorley> np
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# [23:52] <qheaden> edmorley: Thanks
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