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# Session Start: Sat Mar 17 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:06] <jhammel> <rhetorical> why do the [x]s in the new new tab page look like fugly windows 7 [x]s these days? </rhetorical>
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# [00:07] <gps> gavin, et al: I'm looking for a suitable component (and feasibility input) on bug 736413
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# [00:08] <gavin> gps: you should talk to taras
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# [00:09] <gavin> we already grab some of that data for telemetry startup time measurements
# [00:10] <gps> I want a general API so e.g. I can get CPU times from JS
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# [00:12] <jaws> khuey: in your code review, you asked that I use |nsIDOMDocument* ddoc = mWindow->GetExtantDocument();|
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# [00:13] <jaws> khuey: how do i know when to use a nsCOMPtr around the nsIDOMDocument and when not to?
# [00:14] <jaws> mxr shows both ways of doing it (http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=GetExtantDocument&tree=mozilla-central&;filter=)
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# [00:20] <jdm> jhammel: there's a bug filed about that!
# [00:21] <jhammel> jdm: nice :)
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# [00:22] <darktrojan> good
# [00:22] <jhammel> they look so pretend-slick in that way that windows all looks pretend-slick
# [00:22] <khuey> jaws: if you're not going to do anything that might change the document, you don't need a comptr
# [00:22] <jhammel> (fwiw, i wouldn't be happy if they looked OSXy either)
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# [00:24] <jaws> khuey: ok thanks
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# [00:25] <khuey> jaws: in general, judging whether a raw pointer is safe requires a lot of experience
# [00:25] <khuey> so I'm shortcircuiting that and telling you that it's safe ;-)
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# [00:26] <mauke> if I'm running a firefox I patched myself, will it upgrade normally when the next official release comes out?
# [00:26] <khuey> no
# [00:26] * jaws plans on gaining that experience btw :)
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# [00:27] <mauke> can I do anything about that?
# [00:27] <khuey> mauke: try to upstream your patch so you don't need it anymore?
# [00:28] <khuey> beyond that
# [00:28] <khuey> not really
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# [00:28] <mauke> how does my firefox know it's not official and shouldn't autoupdate?
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# [00:28] <Mook_as> if you manage to hard-code your update ping url, it might work, assuming you built with updates enabled... you'll end up with the full instead of the partial, of course
# [00:29] <gavin> mauke: you can build a firefox that will update itself, just a matter of configuring it properly
# [00:29] <@bz> do we support webgl on sparc processors?
# [00:29] <khuey> well, you can compile with the options that tell it it's official
# [00:29] <khuey> but then your patch will disappear when it updates
# [00:29] <gavin> and as mook says, you won't get partial updates
# [00:29] <mauke> --enable-official-branding?
# [00:29] <khuey> so not sure how useful that is
# [00:29] <mauke> because I did that
# [00:29] <gavin> no, branding isn't relevant
# [00:29] <gavin> you need to set the update channel, and update URL, and enable the updater code
# [00:30] <Waldo> bz: typed arrays have sparc code support, I think
# [00:30] <mauke> khuey: my patch reverts TopLevelImageDocument.css, not sure how good the chances are for getting it accepted upstream
# [00:30] <Waldo> bz: I would assume the drivers aren't there for webgl itself
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# [00:30] <Mook_as> app.update.url.override seems easier than all the individual bits (since you'll need to use the correct build id anyway)
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# [00:32] <mauke> does this show up in about:config?
# [00:32] <mauke> I have app.update.enabled = true
# [00:32] <mauke> and app.update.url points to aus3.mozilla.org
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# [00:34] <@bz> Waldo: hmm
# [00:34] <@bz> Waldo: ok, thanks
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# [00:34] <mauke> ooh, I think I see
# [00:34] <mauke> ./configure --enable-update-channel=release
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# [01:05] <NeilAway> philor: I don't know about m-c but it actually fixes orange on c-c :-P
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# [01:15] <rillian_lime> so we have atoms for standard attributes. do we have them for standard values?
# [01:15] <rillian_lime> e.g. aria-live=polite
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# [01:24] <jdm> rillian_lime: doesn't look like it
# [01:25] <NeilAway> rillian_lime: we do for some extremely common values, such as input type=
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# [01:26] <rillian_lime> ok, thanks. I should just use an nsString then?
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# [01:29] <jdm> rillian_lime: NS_LITERAL_STRING is what other code uses
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# [01:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/66512e033f3e - Vicamo Yang - Bug 712933 - Part 4: Support sending multipart SMS. r=philikon
# [01:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/94ad7c1c0de7 - Hsinyi Tsai - Bug 736258 - WebTelephony: rename ringing event to alerting. r=philikon
# [01:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8ecce10fe9b3 - Vicamo Yang - Bug 712933 - Part 6: Support receiving multipart SMS. r=philikon DONTBUILD because NPTOB
# [01:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c0e783b4cc4b - Fernando Jiménez - Bug 735536 - B2G SMS DB: Use new fangled IndexedDB string constants. r=philikon
# [01:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/23dac9398f21 - Fernando Jiménez - Bug 733268 - B2G SMS DB: fix deleteMessage behaviour. r=philikon
# [01:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/bab4c979a5c3 - Vicamo Yang - Bug 712933 - Part 5: refactor GsmPDUHelper readUserData(). r=philikon
# [01:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4da9c8dd18f0 - Vicamo Yang - Bug 712933 - Part 3: fix getNumberOfMessagesForText(). r=philikon
# [01:32] <rillian_lime> jdm: splendid
# [01:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7a535f81b19b - Vicamo Yang - Bug 712933 - Part 2: refactor calculateUserDataLength(). r=philikon
# [01:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c8eff2808a2f - Vicamo Yang - Bug 712933 - Part 1: Move GsmPDUHelper.calculateUserDataLength() to RadioInterfaceLayer.js. r=philikon
# [01:32] <tan> How'd I go about tracking down a memory leak?
# [01:32] <jdm> tan: what's the context?
# [01:32] <tan> 3 tabs, and 1.5GB RAM usage
# [01:32] <tan> *2 tabs
# [01:32] <jdm> tan: are you seeing the memory usage continuously growing?
# [01:33] <jdm> tan: the content of about:memory is a good starting place
# [01:33] <tan> Probably an addon, I guess.
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# [01:34] <sicking> heycam|away: ping
# [01:35] <sicking> oh, wait, it's saturday there isn't it :(
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# [01:45] <Jesse> tan: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Bug_writing_guidelines#Specific_types_of_bugs
# [01:45] <Jesse> tan: using nightly?
# [01:46] <Jesse> tan: how suspicious-looking is your about:compartments page?
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# [01:48] <tan> Jesse: yes, nightly, it seems to have been reddit
# [01:48] <tan> turns out using RES and being 800 posts in slows it down a lot.
# [01:48] <Jesse> was one of your tabs reddit?
# [01:49] <tan> it was.
# [01:49] <tan> I closed it, and now it's down 555MB
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# [03:06] <philor> oh, that's awesome
# [03:07] <philor> our mobile tests steaming on a platter
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# [03:07] <philor> Maple broke twinopen on native, so, FBF, hid it and hid it on mozilla-central after the merge
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# [03:07] <philor> when we finally remembered that, somebody hid it on inbound, on native *and* XUL
# [03:08] <philor> and starting with the last merge from inbound, darned if it isn't broken on XUL now
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# [03:10] <mfinkle> philor, weird
# [03:10] <mfinkle> the data is all there
# [03:10] <mfinkle> NOISE: __start_report ....
# [03:10] <mfinkle> has all the times
# [03:10] <mfinkle> FAIL: timeout exceeded
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# [03:14] <philor> mfinkle: may date back to the inbound Monday bustage that started all the crashing, I think seeing it hit timeout exceeded (which is normally reserved for ts alone) made me decide that bustage was real
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# [03:15] <mfinkle> some kind of shutdown issue?
# [03:15] <philor> a lovely companion to the startup issue :)
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# [03:16] <philor> so it probably isn't permafailing on central, just not many pushes there
# [03:16] <philor> because it should have come over on a merge 5 days ago, not today
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# [03:18] <philor> yup, it was green on inbound just 8 pushes ago
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# [03:21] <philor> I can't remember, is that the color we want the Windows builds on inbound to be?
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# [03:23] <philor> what could possibly go wrong, addressing a "review" comment without testing?
# [03:23] <philor> surely nobody would lowercase ObjIdl.h as objdir.h
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# [05:00] <kwierso> philor: you around?
# [05:01] <philor> kwierso: yep
# [05:01] <kwierso> philor: hey, got a favor to ask of you :)
# [05:01] <kwierso> philor: any chance you could make this happen? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1523135
# [05:01] <philor> sup?
# [05:01] <kwierso> that should hopefully green up the jetpack tests
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# [05:01] <philor> easy peasy - need it on mozilla-central instantly, or some time tomorrowish?
# [05:02] <kwierso> either works for me
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# [05:02] <philor> load's pretty low now, let's go straight to seeing what happens
# [05:02] <kwierso> (no one seems to have noticed or cared that it's been orange and red for the last week or so)
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# [05:04] <philor> nope, no one will - it's entirely and absolutely your thing, an investigative tool, until someone finds an acceptable compromise to make it visible so you can use it as a defensive tool
# [05:04] <kwierso> (myself included in the "no one"...)
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# [05:05] <philor> and even then you'll have an uphill battle - a testsuite only gets one first impression, and yours was unfortunately "it fails all the time, constantly, and there's absolutely nothing that can be done about it, and there's not even any way to tell what failed, it's just horrible"
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# [05:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ecaad3ae9964 - Phil Ringnalda - No bug, update jetpack revision being tested, r=kwierso
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# [05:12] <kwierso> philor: thanks
# [05:12] <philor> np
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# [05:13] <philor> going to be awake for a while longer?
# [05:14] <kwierso> yeah
# [05:14] <philor> if so, holler when something goes redorangepurple in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=ecaad3ae9964&noignore=1 - I've got too many tbpl tabs open to manage keeping another reloading
# [05:14] <kwierso> can do
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# [05:17] <philor> thx - should only be an hour or so, but that's long enough for Android to do its technicolor yawn
# [05:18] * kwierso boots up part one of return of the king...
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# [05:31] <kwierso> "info: executing 'test-events.test:emitLoop'
# [05:31] <kwierso> error: An exception occurred.
# [05:31] <kwierso> Traceback (most recent call last):
# [05:31] <kwierso> Exception in error event listener Error: error
# [05:31] <kwierso> info: pass: emit didn't looped"
# [05:31] <kwierso> oh my god these tests...
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# [05:32] <philor> is that just the normal Traceback, that we call an error on m-c?
# [05:32] <@bz_away> kwierso: I really hope that's not part of your return of the king stuff... ;)
# [05:32] <kwierso> bz_away: I got distracted by shiny colors
# [05:33] <kwierso> philor: https://github.com/mozilla/addon-sdk/blob/master/packages/api-utils/tests/test-events.js#L254
# [05:33] <philor> oh, we're not even done, so it must be just the normal noises
# [05:34] <kwierso> philor: no, this was from an earlier run
# [05:34] <kwierso> philor: but my tbpl tab just changed color, and the jp test is still red...
# [05:35] <kwierso> on lin64opt
# [05:35] <philor> I might have to try to figure out that Traceback stuff this weekend, since the only releng person who would is more of a relmgr now
# [05:35] <philor> wow, an actual failure, not just a regex failure
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# [05:37] <philor> "Typed array isn't proxified"
# [05:37] <kwierso> yep
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# [05:38] <philor> "reference to undefined property "failure"" strikes me as unlikely for us
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# [05:38] <kwierso> philor: gozala's been messing with jetpack's proxies and namespaces this last week or so
# [05:38] <kwierso> probably on our side
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# [05:39] <philor> and the route of that traceback, through timer, worker, events, content-proxy, seems to be missing something - if you want to combine every single possible bit of pain, you need an xbl.js and a focus.js
# [05:40] <gozala> philikon: kwierso: no in fact I never messed with proxies
# [05:40] <gozala> it's ochameau who did that
# [05:41] <gozala> he's our proxy master :)
# [05:41] <kwierso> gozala: oh right
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# [05:45] <philor> Linux32 debug claims 0 failures, though it also claims to have run less than half the tests
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# [05:45] <philor> wise platform
# [05:46] <philor> oh, I guess a compartment mismatch and hang doesn't count as wisdom
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# [05:47] <kwierso> philor: hey, multiple colors in the android tests!
# [05:47] <kwierso> \o/
# [05:47] <philor> only one that counts, that red is hidden
# [05:47] <philor> http://webkitmemes.tumblr.com/post/18535937403/fbf-keeps-it-green - Maple keeps it green
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# [05:49] <philor> oh, there we go, I wasn't refreshing
# [05:49] <philor> but, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&fromchange=6820ae07bfaa&tochange=68dd518f6a5f - that middle one is looking pretty unscrewedup
# [05:50] <philor> (as long as your standards are low enough)
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# [05:53] <kwierso> philor: I am curious what changed between the bottom two pushes here: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?noignore=1&jobname=jetpack
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# [05:54] <kwierso> philor: we were permaorange for at least a week before that switch to permared
# [05:54] <philor> Ms2ger landed ;)
# [05:55] <philor> and permaorange is actually permagreen
# [05:55] <kwierso> the "traceback" silliness?
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# [05:55] <philor> how do you go from 5204/0 to 5204/1?
# [05:56] <kwierso> could you rephrase the question in the form of an answer?
# [05:56] <philor> orange+5204/0 = traceback, red is actually the outer outer outer parent ShellCommand paying attention to your exit code, so orange is green and red is orange, pretty much, probably
# [05:56] <philor> sure, lemme just start drinking, I'm still sober
# [05:58] <philor> actually, I think the pass/fail count is in your harness, not anything buildbot does
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# [06:00] <kwierso> huh, and the number goes up to 5288 with what you just pushed
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# [06:04] <philor> that's reasonable, could easily have added tests between the two revs, but adding a failure without subtracting a pass when the test suite was unchanged strikes me as a sign of not having enough fingers to do the counting on
# [06:05] <kwierso> magic?
# [06:05] <sheppy> kwierso: shhh, we rely heavily on magic, but it doesn't work if you know too much about it.
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# [06:11] <kwierso> philor: do I want to know the answer to why the debug builds are only running half the tests that the non-debug builds are?
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# [06:55] <BenWa> philor: Haha, nice: http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0vvbbd91H1rrf1eeo1_400.jpg
# [06:56] <kwierso> yes, that
# [06:57] <philor> aww, relax, I haven't backed either one of you out since... yesterday
# [06:57] <BenWa> All my recent patches have been on try first. I'm learning :)
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# [06:58] <BenWa> actually my backout yesterday had passed try, I need to look into that
# [06:59] <philor> something about Mac, that i screwed up and miscalled, right?
# [06:59] <philor> oh, assertions in stuff run by the reftest harness
# [06:59] <BenWa> I haven't looked into it yet, it's not a urgent patch anyways
# [07:00] <BenWa> I'm sure it my on my end anyway
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# [07:01] <kwierso> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?noignore=1&tree=Jetpack
# [07:01] <kwierso> :|
# [07:01] * kwierso could've sworn that push only had the mac beta orange when he looked at that page an hour ago...
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# [07:04] <philor> you were probably looking at &usetinderbox=1, where those are just gaps
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# [07:05] <kwierso> oh yeah
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# [07:06] <philor> the red I remember, we don't build Win64 on m-r, the others I don't remember
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# [07:07] <kwierso> and with no logs...
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# [07:12] <philor> allow me to introduce you to the hideous displeasure of Tinderbox
# [07:12] <philor> http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi?tree=Jetpack&maxdate=1331704998&hours=24&legend=0&norules=1
# [07:13] <philor> it's not so much "no logs" as "logs which don't TinderboxPrint a cset id"
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# [07:15] <philor> and I misremembered, it's a whole bunch of stuff we don't build, since there's no debug win64 anywhere, and no opt below m-c, and a bit of the special joy of msys's rm for than m-r
# [07:16] <philor> for that
# [07:16] <kwierso> so... safe to ignore those even more than we ignore the other jetpack fails :)
# [07:16] <kwierso> ?
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# [07:20] <philor> yes, but along with the job, the lecture in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709203#c2 is for you now
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# [07:21] <philor> particularly the unclear parts about how you do want to remember that only those missing chunks are acceptable missing chunks from usetinderbox, and when more is missing you have to look at buildbot-based and at Tinderbox to see where they went
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# [07:32] <kwierso> philor: I'll at least CC myself to all the relevant bugs in that dependency chain to assuage my orange guilt :)
# [07:34] <philor> kwierso: yeah, there's a lot of releng around the edges, the part I really meant is that nobody but you will know that tinderbox is broken, so you have to look for missing jobs on tbpl and chase them down
# [07:35] <kwierso> philor: when bug 713846 lands, does that mean jetpack stops caring about tinderbox? or is there more to it than that?
# [07:35] * philor just enjoys https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&fromchange=6820ae07bfaa&tochange=68dd518f6a5f more and more
# [07:35] <philor> if you get the fork handle bent just right, instead of stabbing it back in again, you can leave it in your eye and just spin it around
# [07:36] <darktrojan> pretty
# [07:36] <philor> kwierso: nope, that's it, you only depend on it because that's the only place your logs are
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# [07:52] <philor> that top try push looks soooo good, and the bug is miles from essential, shouldn't be any kicking about backing it out on aurora
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# [08:18] <logiclord> florian : Hi I wanted to discuss about project "Account Import Wizard" if you have some time.
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# [08:24] <darktrojan> I like the way tbpl keeps the fromchange and tochange parameters when switching trees :/
# [08:26] <philor> yeah, the param retention is pretty ill-considered
# [08:27] <philor> one of the few things we don't keep is &onlyunstarred=1, which I have to reset around a hundred times every day
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# [08:27] <philor> noignore, which makes you think the new tree is horribly broken? we'll keep that
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# [08:53] <glandium> jesup: pong
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# [08:56] <jesup> glandium: hi - got more C++ lib issues on builders
# [08:56] <glandium> jesup: what symbols?
# [08:57] <jesup> 00000000 DF *UND* 000001c3 GLIBCXX_3.4.9 _ZNSo9_M_insertIPKvEERSoT_
# [08:57] <jesup> 00000000 DF *UND* 0000019c GLIBCXX_3.4.9 _ZNSi10_M_extractIjEERSiRT_
# [08:57] <jesup> 00000000 DF *UND* 0000019c GLIBCXX_3.4.9 _ZNSi10_M_extractIfEERSiRT_
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# [08:58] <jesup> and on debug builds: 00000000 DF *UND* 0000002d GLIBCXX_3.4.14 _ZNSs6assignEOSs
# [08:58] <jesup> (alder tbpl for Linux)
# [08:58] <glandium> the first three are easy. the last one i'll have to look
# [08:59] <jesup> thanks
# [08:59] <glandium> same symbols on linux and linux64?
# [09:00] <glandium> ah you have a different problem on linux64
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# [09:02] <jesup> Not sure what's the cause of this one (linux64 debug). The linux64 opt problem is a lack-of-clobber problem I believe.
# [09:02] <jesup> relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against `std::pair<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > >::~pair()' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
# [09:02] <jesup> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value
# [09:03] <glandium> or a visibility problem
# [09:03] <glandium> jesup: try this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1523453
# [09:05] <glandium> or maybe libjingle is effectively not built pic
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# [09:15] <florian> logiclord: I would suggest discussing this in the channel #instantbird if you don't mind.
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# [09:21] <jesup> glandium: /builds/slave/a-lnx-dbg/alder/build/stdc++compat.cpp:66:23: error: template-id ‘_M_extract<>’ for ‘std::istream& std::basic_istream<char>::_M_extract(float)’ does not match any template declaration
# [09:21] <jesup> /builds/slave/a-lnx-dbg/alder/build/stdc++compat.cpp:67:23: error: template-id ‘_M_extract<>’ for ‘std::istream& std::basic_istream<char>::_M_extract(unsigned int)’ does not match any template declaration
# [09:22] <glandium> jesup: try turning the argument to a reference (float&, unsigned int&)
# [09:22] <jesup> sounds good, 1 sec
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# [09:27] <jesup> glandium: got past libxul!
# [09:27] <glandium> jesup: yay
# [09:28] <jesup> thanks
# [09:28] <glandium> jesup: what does readelf -d libxul.so | grep TEXTREL say ?
# [09:28] <jesup> the last one was confusing
# [09:28] <jesup> 0x00000016 (TEXTREL) 0x0
# [09:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2c3ffd75d2d3 - Chad Freeman - Bug 720023 - Context menus for selected domains should be the identical as for links. r=jwein
# [09:29] * jesup wonders what that means...
# [09:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6fc257a416cb - Frank Yan - Bug 736512 - Followup to about:home refresh broke long labels. r=mak
# [09:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/34a7a331811f - Tim Taubert - Bug 735987 - [New Tab Page] Dropping blocked links onto the grid again should unblock them; r=dietrich
# [09:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1b34bd4a5425 - Marco Bonardo - Bug 736456 - Cache the spec in captureAndStore, since currentURI may not be available later; r=ttaubert
# [09:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/657e7edcb91c - Tim Taubert - Bug 726272 - [Page Thumbnails] don't capture error pages; r=dietrich
# [09:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a53f34be3b81 - Tim Taubert - Bug 726272 - check if currentDocumentChannel is a valid channel; r=bustage-fix
# [09:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/121b3a2363c0 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [09:30] <glandium> jesup: that means you have text relocations, which, in turn, means you are linking code that is not pic. on x86, the linker is happy with doing that, but on x86-64, it isn't, thus your linux64 build failures
# [09:30] <jesup> aha
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# [09:30] <glandium> jesup: so you probably have -fPIC missing when building some files
# [09:30] <jesup> any easy way to track it down? and why do I not get this building on my Fedora 15 x64 box?
# [09:30] <glandium> probably libjingle ones
# [09:31] <jesup> I only see it on buildbots (I think)
# [09:31] <glandium> are you building for x86 or x64 ?
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# [09:32] <glandium> jesup: you can try using eu-findtextrel, it will give you a rough estimate or where the text relocations are
# [09:32] <glandium> s/or where/of where/
# [09:33] <jesup> Fedora 15 x64 obj-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-debug/dist/bin$ readelf -d libxul.so | grep TEXTREL
# [09:33] <jesup> Exit 1
# [09:33] <jesup> x86_64
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# [09:34] <glandium> weird
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# [09:35] <glandium> what environment were you building on earlier?
# [09:35] <jesup> a captive builder (so I could debug tbpl/try problems)
# [09:37] <glandium> an x86 one, right?
# [09:37] <jesup> yes
# [09:37] <jesup> linux builder
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# [09:38] <jesup> . $topsrcdir/browser/config/mozconfigs/linux64/nightly in .mozconfig
# [09:38] <jesup> eu-findtextrel segfaults on libxul
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# [09:39] <glandium> jesup: so, on your fedora environment, if you take http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1523465 and compile it with "gcc -o - -S foo.c -O2", what is the output?
# [09:41] <jesup> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1523466
# [09:43] <glandium> at least, this means that compiler doesn't default to PIC
# [09:44] <jesup> and this is on the builder: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1523467
# [09:44] <glandium> jesup: you should probably get the libxul file and use your own eu-findtextrel
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# [09:44] <jesup> "use my own eu-findtextrel"?
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# [09:46] <jesup> A quick look shows -fPIC on libjingle compiles. Can't say there isn't a file without it without checking more
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# [09:47] <glandium> jesup: use eu-findtextrel from your machine on the libxul from the buildbot
# [09:47] <jesup> ah
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# [09:54] <jesup> glandium: /tools/gcc-4.5-0moz3/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.2/../../../../include/c++/4.5.2/bits/stl_tree.h not compiled with -fpic/-fPIC
# [09:55] <jesup> about 5 copies of that
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# [09:56] <glandium> jesup: now the game is to find where this comes from
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# [09:56] <jesup> no direct references to stl_tree.h from the code
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# [09:57] <jesup> I'm sure it's in media/webrtc/signaling (just-imported signaling lib including a lot of SIP stuff we'll pare out)
# [09:57] <jesup> Ihad linux green before that
# [09:58] <glandium> jesup: so my advice here is to take the output of readelf -r libxul.so. in all likeliness, what is interesting to you are the 5 first lines of output. for each of the corresponding address, check in "objdump -t libxul.so | sort" where it belongs.
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# [10:01] <jesup> 01f99004 00000008 R_386_RELATIVE
# [10:01] <jesup> 01f99008 00000008 R_386_RELATIVE
# [10:01] <jesup> 01f9900c 00000008 R_386_RELATIVE etc
# [10:01] <glandium> yeah these ones
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# [10:01] <glandium> now check what symbol contains 01f99004, etc.
# [10:02] <jesup> 01f99000 l d .ctors 00000000 .ctors
# [10:02] <jesup> 01f99000 l d .tbss 00000000 .tbss
# [10:02] <jesup> 01f99000 l O .ctors 00000000 __CTOR_LIST__
# [10:02] <jesup> 01f99668 l O .ctors 00000000 __CTOR_END__
# [10:02] <jesup> CTOR_LIST
# [10:02] <glandium> then they are not the ones :)
# [10:02] <glandium> what you are looking for is addresses in the .text section (see readelf -S)
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# [10:04] <jesup> What reloc type?
# [10:05] <jesup> first non-R_386_RELATIVEs are:
# [10:05] <jesup> 01641f58 000ac102 R_386_PC32 013130c4 _ZNSt4pairIKSsSsED1Ev
# [10:05] <jesup> 016437c2 0052be02 R_386_PC32 008237e7 _ZNSt18_Rb_tree_node_b
# [10:07] <jesup> There are about 12 R_386_PC32's; all but the first are _ZNSt18_Rb_tree_node_b
# [10:07] <jesup> which is interesting given stl_tree.h being implicated
# [10:08] <jesup> glandium: I must crash. 5am EDT, and kids wake up around 7:30 if I'm lucky
# [10:09] <jesup> if you have any ideas, direct-message me or prepend with jesup: so I don't miss it. Thanks!
# [10:09] <glandium> jesup: you need to look at the addresses, not the symbol for the relocations
# [10:09] <glandium> jesup: so you need to look what symbol contains the address 01641f58, etc.
# [10:10] <glandium> jesup: addr2line might be helpful there
# [10:10] <glandium> jesup: with the -i argument
# [10:10] <jesup> _ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_EN9talk_base5ilessESaIS2_EE10_S_minimumEPSt18_Rb_tree_node_base
# [10:13] <glandium> seems like an stl template used from somewhere in the code
# [10:14] <Infinity> Hi!...Sorry ti interrupt....but I am interested in taking part in Gsoc 2012 under mozilla!
# [10:14] <jesup> /tools/gcc-4.5-0moz3/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.2/../../../../include/c++/4.5.2/bits/stl_tree.h:128
# [10:14] <jesup> /tools/gcc-4.5-0moz3/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.2/../../../../include/c++/4.5.2/bits/stl_tree.h:533
# [10:15] <Infinity> I had spoken to gcp a day before about the development of the Networking Dashboard for mozilla!....
# [10:16] <Infinity> While I am working on it.....I found another idea interesting that I wanted to ask about
# [10:17] <jesup> glandium: and also /tools/gcc-4.5-0moz3/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.2/../../../../include/c++/4.5.2/bits/stl_tree.h:541
# [10:17] <jesup> that's it; jsut those 3 lines
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# [10:17] <Infinity> The other idea is to Get ISPDB Into Production for thunderbird
# [10:17] <Infinity> Was wondering if I could get a better idea about that here...
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# [10:18] <glandium> jesup: you need to find what is using stl rb tree
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# [13:37] <jkc> Hi. I'm interested in doing a project for GSoC. I would like to work on porting FreedroidRPG to the web using Emscripten. FreedroidRPG is an open source RPG game. I'm pretty familiar with FreedroidRPG's codebase because I was working on it last year for GSoC.
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# [13:43] <@smaug> jkc: you may want to discuss with azakai|2
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# [15:56] <@smaug> with git diff, how to I make it work like hg diff, and not like hg diff | less
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# [16:07] <derf> Or, for less typing, git diff | cat
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# [16:12] <@smaug> Ms2ger: I don't want to use git. It is just that someone else decided to put useful stuff to a git repo
# [16:12] <Ms2ger> How silly of them
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# [16:48] <Ms2ger> Julian, nope
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# [16:49] <Ms2ger> Julian, https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryChooser#What_if_I_want_PGO_for_my_build
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# [16:50] <Julian> ack
# [16:50] <Julian> I have stared at this, but apparently did not understand. Thanks.
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# [16:56] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [17:34] <Julian> that being said; I also tried the build locally and I'm getting: make[7]: Entering directory `/c/projects/mozilla/src/obj-i686-pc-mingw32/build/win32/vmwarerecordinghelper'make[7]: *** No rule to make target `pgo.relink', needed by `vmwarerecordinghelper.dll'. Stop.
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# [18:23] <@khuey> reading email this morning makes me sad :-(
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# [18:23] <Ms2ger> Just this morning?
# [18:24] <@khuey> yes
# [18:24] <@khuey> http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2012/03/opportunity/
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# [18:38] <philor> Ms2ger: you did - achievement unlocked!
# [18:38] <Ms2ger> \o_
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# [18:39] <philor> I didn't see how or why, but I didn't look closely because I knew I wouldn't understand
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# [18:41] <Ms2ger> Ooh, *** Compartment mismatch 0x6712180 vs. 0x66e8a20
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# [18:42] <Ms2ger> philor, do you know where those tests live?
# [18:44] <philor> Ms2ger: maybe in https://github.com/mozilla/addon-sdk/tree/master/packages/api-utils/tests
# [18:46] <Ms2ger> I see, this is indeed my fault
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# [18:50] <Ms2ger> I wonder if it's worth my time to try running those tests locally
# [18:52] <@khuey> Ms2ger: are you planning to do 455595?
# [18:53] <Ms2ger> I was
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# [18:53] <Ms2ger> I think I started, but I don't remember why I stopped
# [18:53] <@khuey> mmm
# [18:53] <@khuey> I wrote a patch this morning to remove nsINodeInfo
# [18:54] <Ms2ger> I saw
# [18:54] <@khuey> and noticed that nsINamespaceManager could probably go too while doing that
# [18:54] <Ms2ger> Disappointed by the ns prefix ;)
# [18:54] <@khuey> heh
# [18:57] <Ms2ger> Ah, there it is
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# [18:58] <Ms2ger> khuey, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1523949
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# [18:59] <@khuey> you should put that in the bug :-P
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# [19:04] <@khuey> Ms2ger: do you have a stack for that compartment mismatch?
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# [19:04] <glandium> philor: pong
# [19:04] <Ms2ger> No
# [19:05] <philor> glandium: about https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&fromchange=6820ae07bfaa&tochange=68dd518f6a5f and backing out https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/bf4b1d3c624e, though wesj already agreed it seemed like a good idea
# [19:06] <@khuey> Ms2ger: my guess would be that ImageData::GetData needs to JS_WrapValue the outparam
# [19:06] <philor> and yeah, it's mildly sad that I think the top one is the most beautiful set of Android jobs I've ever seen, but only mildly
# [19:07] <glandium> philor: apart from infrastructure problems, what's wrong with that try?
# [19:07] <glandium> ah i wasn't looking at the right thing
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# [19:07] <philor> glandium: the top push, nothing; the second and third, the crash/jsreftests that fail to start, and the "failed to initialize" talos failures
# [19:08] <philor> sorry, I've been raging so much about them all week that I assume everyone knows they are the most important thing on earth
# [19:08] <Ms2ger> Failed to initialize?
# [19:08] <Ms2ger> Never heard of
# [19:08] <glandium> sigh what a pita to find relevant information on android logs
# [19:09] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, relevant to some of your work: http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m10pnkaLhs1rrf1eeo1_400.jpg
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# [19:09] <philor> yeah, the summary of the bug that I piled them onto is "Android tests intermittently just don't start" which is less than ideal
# [19:09] <glandium> philor: none of the logs i've looked at so far point at something that is not an infrastructure problem. do you have a direct link to something relevant?
# [19:10] <philor> glandium: what I have is that try run, and my gut feelings and the records of the bugs about frequency
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# [19:11] <glandium> philor: well, i see absolutely no evidence of something other than the infrastructure going wrong
# [19:12] <philor> glandium: so, it went wrong on Monday at the time that was pushed, and then unwent wrong for those 15 retriggers on the top backout in that set of three (but not the two below), and then went wrong again for every push on other trees since then?
# [19:13] <glandium> philor: i don't know. i'm just saying that from what i see, i see nothing convincing.
# [19:13] <philor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722166#c282
# [19:13] <philor> call me a prophet :)
# [19:13] <philor> and also look at the frequency before and after
# [19:14] <philor> yes, I agree, it's a infra failure that when the browser doesn't start, the harness just sits there for an hour trying to grab the log, trying to grab the log, trying to grab the log
# [19:14] <philor> but the browser does not start
# [19:14] <philor> before that patch landed, the browser did not start once a day
# [19:14] <philor> after, it does not start two or five or seven times a push
# [19:15] <Ms2ger> Heh, I read that as an improvement
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# [19:15] <Ms2ger> As in, "the browser didn't even start once a day"
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# [19:19] <philor> maybe I'm better off leaving it in
# [19:20] <wesj> IMO, its just cleanup, which is why i don't mind pulling it if its getting in the way of people doing real work.
# [19:20] <philor> since the only other option I can see is to just declare Android unfit for tier 1 and hide it on every tree, at which point the workload of my 12-18 hour a day unpaid second job will become vastly less
# [19:20] <glandium> philor: the interesting part is that this patch actually does nothing as far as android opt is concerned. it only touches android xul
# [19:21] <glandium> oh wait, it *does* change something
# [19:21] <Ms2ger> Famous last words
# [19:21] <glandium> wesj: it does unconditional putenv("MOZ_LINKER_EXTRACT=1"), compared to original code
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# [19:22] <glandium> philor: can you try to remove the putenv("MOZ_LINKER_EXTRACT=1")s (plural) from APKOpen.cpp?
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# [19:23] <philor> glandium: how do the odds of landing that on aurora compare to the odds of landing a straight backout?
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# [19:23] <glandium> philor: you can do both, so that we know if that will avoid it next time
# [19:23] <wesj> philor: getting android changes to aurora isn't hard right now
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# [19:54] <philor> sigh, RPM nightlies
# [19:58] <philor> who ever would have been able to imagine that making packaging warnings pointlessly fatal might have had a problem despite passing on the few build configurations that are tested on try?
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# [20:00] <Ms2ger> Just back out Serge
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# [20:04] <philor> you know it
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# [20:06] <philor> we'll see, I might need someone else to comment in the bug for me, the fact that it's going to require explaining how it's completely unreasonable to ask for approval-aurora on that, and completely crazy to ask for it before the patch has even seen a round of nightlies, might be beyond my ability to remain nice
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# [20:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/da5e8f6a44bd - Phil Ringnalda - Back out a0fa92215a36 (bug 713132) for breaking --disable-updater as used in RPM nightlies
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# [20:13] <philor> conveniently, we now get to ship a second set of nightlies on every platform and in every configuration
# [20:14] <philor> and then it'll probably turn out that self-serve doesn't actually trigger RPM nightlies, and I'll get to file on that
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# [20:18] <philor> ah, nice, it does trigger them, though apparently not the xulrunner nightlies
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# [20:35] <philor> oh, approval-aurora and approval-beta, for something with no actual benefit, before it had even built any nightlies. interesting behavior.
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# [20:43] <philor> mmm, nice OOM on my jetpack update push, apparently it was libxul.so + 0x273b7d doing the alloc :|
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# [20:47] <kwierso> wasn't me, I swear
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# [20:49] <philor> chances are, guessing from unseeable things in bug 535452, it wasn't the first time
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# [20:50] <philor> one of my fantasies involves us having people who will actually pay attention to individual instances of failure in tests for which they are responsible, so we could switch to just having one [orange] bug per test, and throwing everything that happens in that test into one would be the correct thing to do
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# [20:52] <philor> and yes, I *do* have fantasies about us having a workable testing system, is that so wrong?
# [20:53] <@khuey> did we make the browser a lot leakier recently?
# [20:53] * @khuey sees lots of little leaks on tinderbox these days
# [20:54] <sgautherie> khuey: yes, for weeks/+.
# [20:55] <sgautherie> philor: could you file a blocking bug with details about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713132#c12 ?
# [20:55] <philor> sgautherie: could you instead persuade your reviewer that he needs to make sure you have updated the manifest to cover at least the most likely to break things like the installer and updater?
# [20:56] <@khuey> :-P
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# [20:58] <sgautherie> philor: hard to do when I don't even know about what manifest you're talking about...
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# [20:58] <@khuey> sgautherie: the package-manifest needs some ifdefs for --disable-updater and --disable-installer
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# [21:00] <sgautherie> khuey: --disable-installer is supposed to be unneeded. Fixing --disable-updater is impossible when the related errors were not reported!
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# [21:02] <@khuey> sgautherie: http://khuey.pastebin.mozilla.org/1524056
# [21:02] <@khuey> Error: package error or possible missing or unnecessary file: bin/updater (package-manifest, 415).
# [21:03] <@khuey> Error: package error or possible missing or unnecessary file: bin/updater.ini (package-manifest, 28).
# [21:03] <@khuey> Error: package error or possible missing or unnecessary file: bin/update.locale (package-manifest, 27).
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# [21:03] <@khuey> so those need ifdefs
# [21:04] <philor> how many more --disable- things are there in configure?
# [21:05] <philor> and try does build with in-tree mozconfigs, so it's possible to disable things on a try push, you don't have to build locally to do it
# [21:05] <@khuey> the ones that come to mind
# [21:06] <@khuey> are --disable-updater
# [21:06] <@khuey> --disable-crashreporter
# [21:06] <@khuey> and --disable-installer (which we should just remove)
# [21:07] <philor> but we haven't, and while we haven't...
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# [21:14] <sgautherie> khuey: thanks, I filed Bug 736770.
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# [21:15] <@khuey> sgautherie: np, thanks for taking this on
# [21:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a783f748ddc2 - Kyle Huey - Bug 612311: Add some instrumentation. r=me
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# [21:50] <Julian> is there a page that has build results for current mozilla-central with PGO enabled?
# [21:50] <@khuey> tbpl.mozilla.org?
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# [21:52] <Julian> so these are with PGO enabled? (so this is different from the default when pushing to try?)
# [21:53] <@khuey> the ones that say 'pgo' are pgo enabled
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# [21:53] <@khuey> and yes, that's different than the try default
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# [21:57] <philor> Julian: https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryChooser#What_if_I_want_PGO_for_my_build for PGO on try
# [21:57] <Julian> philor, yep, thanks
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# [21:58] <Julian> I'm trying to find out whether it was really me who introduced the PGO failure, so I'm looking for more build data
# [21:58] <philor> oh, that Julian :)
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# [21:59] <philor> not in some bad sense, but in the sense of "the Julian who is stuck trying to figure out why only Windows PGO fails to correctly parse JS version numbers in script tags"
# [21:59] <Guiiks> is there no work on Firefox for Google SoC ?
# [22:00] <WG9s> Julian well another issue is that infrastructure issues seem to look like PGO failures now because PGO builds happen every 4 hours even with no new code so sometimes things that look like they have only failed on PGO is really only started failing after time X and there have only been PGO builds since that time.
# [22:00] <WG9s> make sure you are not being fooled by this first.
# [22:00] <Julian> philor: :-) I think what I see is that the test fails even without my patch in, but maybe I did something wrong when pushing to try
# [22:00] <Julian> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=0fbc9a41ae0e
# [22:01] <WG9s> Just uyesterday someone tried to tell me things were only failing on pge builds becuase of this
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# [22:02] <WG9s> s/pge/pgo/
# [22:02] <philor> Julian: curiouser and curioser
# [22:03] <Julian> philor: did you have a look at the try result?
# [22:03] <philor> Julian: that's with your patch in
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# [22:03] <Julian> it is?
# [22:03] <Julian> ok, so I pushed something I did not want to push
# [22:03] <philor> click the linked id for "parent" in https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/0fbc9a41ae0e
# [22:04] <philor> tbpl's confusing for things you've already pushed to try, since it only shows the csets that are actually new with that push
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# [22:04] <Julian> oh
# [22:05] <philor> or rather, pushloghtml's confusing, and makes tbpl confusing
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# [22:06] <philor> so, yay!, try will show the bustage at least
# [22:06] <Julian> so do I need to do something special to get a build that is a fresh mozilla-central with PGO enabled?
# [22:06] <artpar> Hi, i am doing a mentored bug : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110894 ... i need some help regarding how i can do a particular thing
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# [22:06] <Julian> (it doesn't help that it seems I need more the VC Express for PGO)
# [22:06] <artpar> i have to write the mozilla icon to a file if the actual icon is not found
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# [22:08] <artpar> mozilla icon i have to pick up from here : moz-icon://.url?size=32
# [22:08] <philor> Julian: you can file a bug in mozilla.org : Release Engineering to get access to a buildslave - they always say that they'll make it work for non-employees, though I don't remember ever having seen that they did
# [22:09] <Julian> philor: oh my
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# [22:10] <philor> just requires flipping a bit on your LDAP account so you have access to the build VPN, how hard can it be? :)
# [22:11] <@khuey> they've done it for non-employees before
# [22:11] <@khuey> they used to do it for me before I joined up
# [22:13] <Julian> philor: ok, so https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=b352e62b36b1 should be more interesting once it's done
# [22:14] <philor> I wasn't sure whether mine got wontfixed because it was too hard to do for a non-employee, or just because they figured I wouldn't actually fix the problem I wanted to fix :D
# [22:15] <Julian> maybe install a full version of VC makes more sense so I can test locally
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# [22:16] <WG9s> Julian: I have always installed the full version but only have ever used the pieces required to build Mozilla applications.
# [22:16] <philor> oh god the android green in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&onlyunstarred=1&rev=a0eff95de19b it blinds me
# [22:17] <philor> someone stole my talos, but it's green too
# [22:17] <Julian> WG9s: do PGO builds work for you? (just checking before I go through the pain of reinstalling...)
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# [22:18] <WG9s> Julian: I don;t do PGO builds. SOrry. I have no input for you on this issue.
# [22:18] <Julian> WG9s: ok
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# [22:18] <kwierso> philor: it just wants to be in the holiday spirit
# [22:19] <philor> indeed - the slaves are probably all drunk, and forgot to report that they didn't actually manage to start the browser
# [22:19] <@khuey> today is a holiday?
# [22:19] <WG9s> Julian: for my own purposes they take way longer to build and for my normal browsing I see absolutley zeoro speed difference.
# [22:20] <philor> Saint Drink Green-dyed Beer's Day
# [22:20] <@khuey> ah
# [22:20] <@khuey> nice
# [22:20] <Ms2ger> Oh, is it?
# [22:20] <kwierso> ^
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# [22:20] <Julian> WG9s: indeed; I wasn't even aware of that stuff until now
# [22:21] <philor> bah, now I'm going to have to merge inbound to central, for the peace of mind
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# [22:24] <artpar> any code reference, related examples ?
# [22:24] <artpar> i am new, and fixing a mentored bug
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# [22:25] <@khuey> artpar: there aren't many people around today, try sending email to your mentor instead?
# [22:25] <artpar> ok khuey, i will
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# [22:45] <@khuey> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2730669&cid=39387637
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# [22:47] <philor> oh no, if you value privacy a browser built by the world's largest advertising company isn't a good choice?
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# [22:49] <@khuey> I just liked the "programmed by interns" line
# [22:49] <@khuey> :-P
# [22:49] <@khuey> Firefox has some of the same problems unfortunately :-(
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# [22:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/bb4da2be0dd8 - Chris Jones - Bug 736778: Work around probable compiler bug breaking DEBUG builds of GonkCaptureProvider. r=fabrice (npotb)
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# [22:53] <philor> ah, I should have RTFC
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# [22:53] <philor> I figured, since it hung loading after the <title> had loaded, I'd read enough :)
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# [23:04] <kwierso> philor: any chance you could drop some knowledge into bug 736699 in response to comment 1?
# [23:06] <philor> kwierso: sure, but the main knowledge in general I could drop is scrollback here not long after I woke up
# [23:06] <philor> around the "<Ms2ger>: I see, this is indeed my fault" part :)
# [23:08] <philor> Ms2ger: and, looking back at that, where was the git-hating? there should have been git-hating!
# [23:08] <Ms2ger> Eww, git
# [23:08] <Ms2ger> There ya go
# [23:08] <philor> thx :)
# [23:09] <kwierso> Ms2ger: to be fair, the tests run from the hg mirror of that git repository :)
# [23:09] <Ms2ger> kwierso, oh, 'tis obvious
# [23:09] <Ms2ger> The last run on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Jetpack&usetinderbox=1 is testing m-c changeset 956e2f735262
# [23:09] <Ms2ger> From the 13th
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# [23:11] <@khuey> did selfserve break?
# [23:11] <@khuey> tbpl doesn't want to do my rebuilds
# [23:11] <@khuey> Rebuild request for WinXP Mochitest 3 debug failed. (Couldn't send message to broker)
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# [23:13] <philor> nagios hasn't yet noticed that it's broken, though that doesn't mean much
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# [23:14] <@khuey> hmm
# [23:14] <@khuey> they seem to be going through now
# [23:15] <philor> parts of it run on a desperately overloaded VM
# [23:16] <philor> makes for lots of "it's broken" "oh, now it isn't
# [23:16] <Ms2ger> I wish I could be surprised at that
# [23:17] <philor> there's a shiny new install, on a host with a self-signed cert
# [23:17] <philor> there may be a real cert for that host, lost somewhere
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# [23:18] <philor> after April, when the whole datacenter move is done, things will probably get smooth and fast and easy and clean and right
# [23:18] <kwierso> ha
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# [23:19] <philor> hey, I was wrong when I predicted the sun wouldn't come up today, I might be wrong when I predict continued bustage
# [23:20] * philor drums his fingers pointedly at his Win PGO build
# [23:20] <philor> come on, Daddy needs a merge
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# [23:28] <Lil_Philly_Ringnalda> Why's that, Daddy?
# [23:29] <kwierso> well, Lil_Philly_Ringnalda, when two branches love each other very much...
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# [23:31] <philor> ... they decide that one of them had a child from a previous marriage, named bf4b1d3c624e, who was just a bad child that would never get any better, so they decide that one of them should take him out in the woods and kill him
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# [23:32] <kwierso> the end
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# [23:43] <sheppy> that's the most terrifying bedtime story ever.
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# [23:50] <philor> yeah, I always hated those extemporaneous stories where the grammar was fractured because it headed off in a different direction partway through a sentence
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# [23:52] <sheppy> Yeah… *that's* what makes it scary.
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# [23:53] <philor> oh, were you terrified by the part where bf4b1d3c624e's bad behavior very nearly made the Forester who looks after the trees kill all of the children, to keep the trees safe?
# [23:54] <sheppy> I think I was terrified that the parents cruelly named their child bf4b1d3c624e.
# [23:55] <sheppy> You just *know* the other kids called him "Beefy" for short.
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