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  15. # [00:11] <philor> kwierso: four dense paragraphs dropped with a thud, edited down from twelve that confused even me
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  35. # [00:34] <kwierso> philor++
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  48. # [01:07] <philor> oh
  49. # [01:07] <philor> yeah
  50. # [01:08] <philor> in exchange for not having to star two or five or seven Android failures on m-c pushes, I get to resolve the 50 or so bugs I merged
  51. # [01:08] * philor looks over his shoulder to see if Willy Wonka is back there
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  53. # [01:12] <mfinkle> he is
  54. # [01:12] <mfinkle> mounir, ping
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  61. # [01:24] <philor> khuey: you're a prince!
  62. # [01:26] <@khuey> :-D
  63. # [01:27] <@khuey> philor: were there any security bugs in the first half?
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  65. # [01:27] * @khuey came across a couple in his section
  66. # [01:27] <philor> khuey: I'm nowhere near the halfway point, I only saw you were doing them because the one with the landing and then the backout had another landing right at the top
  67. # [01:28] <@khuey> ah
  68. # [01:28] <philor> none in the top tinypart, though :)
  69. # [01:28] <@khuey> I did half and then got tired
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  82. # [01:43] <philor> khuey: if you did bug 715319 then we're done and I didn't get any security bugs \o/
  83. # [01:44] <mfinkle> i think i am going to back mounir's patches out
  84. # [01:45] <mfinkle> if i had to guess which one regressed android Ts, it owuld be https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aa978ffa44bc
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  86. # [01:46] <@khuey> philor: excellent, because I did get that one
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  94. # [01:55] <philor> mfinkle: sorry I merged your bustage, can I have approval-aurora to back out bug 732069 there since I also merged your fixedage?
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  113. # [02:21] <@khuey> jdm has to approve them before they show up
  114. # [02:27] <philor> ehsan: um, something somewhere might be stuck, you should probably uh, look around or something at some thing
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  116. # [02:28] * philor wouldn't want to be too much the messenger
  117. # [02:28] <@ehsan> khuey: is jdm the wonderful soul behind that site?!
  118. # [02:28] <@khuey> yes
  119. # [02:29] <@ehsan> philor: I can't always do productive work... you know?!
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  122. # [02:29] <philor> ehsan: if profiling doesn't get pushes, then I won't have pushes to star on profiling, in which case... why the hell did I tell you?
  123. # [02:30] <@ehsan> philor: did profiling got broken again?
  124. # [02:30] <@ehsan> man
  125. # [02:30] <philor> no
  126. # [02:30] <philor> no, it's fine, don't look!
  127. # [02:30] * @ehsan goes back to do something useful
  128. # [02:30] <philor> perfect just the way it is, the last push it got is the last one it needs
  129. # [02:30] <@ehsan> lol
  130. # [02:31] <@ehsan> sorry, but I'm not gonna let you have one less branch to star
  131. # [02:31] <philor> the next one will be the one that I star as fixing ALL THE ANDROID even though it's not quite true, so it works out either way
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  135. # [02:34] <@ehsan> philor: fixed profiling
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  137. # [02:34] <philor> thx
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  140. # [02:37] <@ehsan> philor: fwiw, I'm gonna set up a notification system (by which I mean I'm gonna set up a mail server on my machine so that I can get cron failure mails) so I will hopefully be on top of this breakage soon
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  147. # [02:47] <philor> did we do something to jemalloc recently? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=10150312&tree=Profiling is probably the third crash in it I've seen today
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  152. # [02:58] <mfinkle> philor, a+ for backing out bug 732069 from aurora
  153. # [02:58] <philor> thx
  154. # [02:59] <firebot> Check-in:
  155. # [02:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e94edfdb1f5b - Mark Finkle - Backout 7e28d1a2c648, 330b210f503d, 2421d39e0ab3, aa978ffa44bc, 38a71ae7e06d, b94319584a7a, 7e8278f5e814, 0b4e3c7608ab, 329c07609ca8, 0d61a0d8dba4, Due to Ts regression on Android
  156. # [03:00] <philor> somebody's going to have a busy Monday running ts on try :)
  157. # [03:02] <mfinkle> i wanted to wait to see if m-c showed the same regression after the merge
  158. # [03:02] <mfinkle> it did
  159. # [03:02] <philor> 20% here, 20% there, eventually it'll be user-visible, you have to draw the line somewhere
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  168. # [03:10] <mfinkle> 20% on android is 547ms
  169. # [03:10] <mfinkle> not chump change
  170. # [03:11] <philor> yeah, yeouch
  171. # [03:11] <mfinkle> i styill feel bad when i back someone elses patch out though
  172. # [03:11] <mfinkle> i'm sure it will pass
  173. # [03:11] <philor> heh, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407401#c14, Mark Capella is getting close to understanding me :)
  174. # [03:12] <jwatt> ARRRGGGHH, Firefox 11 crashed on startup and lost all my tabs!
  175. # [03:12] <philor> "I hope I figured out which parts of that were serious and which were not"
  176. # [03:12] <jwatt> oh, wait, that's what backups are for, nm
  177. # [03:12] <jwatt> shame most of our users don't bother with that
  178. # [03:13] <Asa> REMOVE ALL THE TESTS
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  181. # [03:14] <philor> backups? those are something I expect other people to do for me without me having to do anything except complain that they existed without me realizing it when they include my porn
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  183. # [03:15] <kwierso> jwatt: do you have any sessionstore*.* files in your profile folder that you can rename to sessionstore.js?
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  185. # [03:16] <jwatt> kwierso: nope
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  191. # [03:22] <jwatt> we definitely have some sort of session restore bug where if you crash on startup (more than once in succession?) that will can lose part of or all of your session
  192. # [03:22] <jwatt> I saw it happen to my gf a year or so ago multiple times, I've heard other people mention it happened to them since then, and now I've experienced it first hand
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  255. # [04:39] <philor> great. now every time I see that an Android mochitest or ref/jsref/crashtest has failed, I panic because it might mean I didn't really stop the startup failures
  256. # [04:39] <philor> this shouldn't shorten my life by more than 20 years or so
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  335. # [06:52] <nigelb> aww, no njn
  336. # [06:52] <nigelb> http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/19498837805/you-were-supposed-to-shrink-me-nick
  337. # [06:53] <JonathanS> mozilla has own meme?
  338. # [06:53] <nigelb> where have you been?
  339. # [06:53] <JonathanS> nigelb, life
  340. # [06:54] <nigelb> less than a week old
  341. # [06:54] <nigelb> but it's been linked in here many times
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  346. # [07:11] <Unfocused> (says the guy who's only life is IRC)
  347. # [07:12] <Unfocused> ... not that i can talk...
  348. # [07:15] <nigelb> Unfocused++
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  356. # [07:36] <philor> I'd really like to understand how our intermittent leaks work
  357. # [07:36] <philor> bug 694772 is probably the third or fourth one where it happened all the time, so we completely ignored it, and then one day it was gone
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  362. # [07:43] <philor> wonder whether ehsan wants to know that he only fixed his profiling repo for one push...
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  396. # [09:02] <darktrojan> whoever suggested making a b2g with faenza icons was right, they are really nice
  397. # [09:03] <darktrojan> not much a fan of the firefox icon though :/
  398. # [09:04] <Unfocused> see also: trademark violation
  399. # [09:04] <Unfocused> ;)
  400. # [09:04] <darktrojan> heh
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  403. # [09:09] <kwierso> the built-in back/forward buttons for going between messages isn't working for messages in my mozillazine folder...
  404. # [09:09] <kwierso> works everywhere else
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  452. # [11:01] <boiled_sugar> is crash of VS2010 64bit PGO solved? link.exe still crashes on my pc.
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  625. # [15:42] <ankitgoel> hey everyone...
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  627. # [15:43] <ankitgoel> how do i start contributing to the mozilla project??
  628. # [15:44] <peregrino> ankitgoel: have you already contacted someone from your local community?
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  630. # [15:44] <bavswim> Hey, I have a question about a bug I am working on, which deals with Help buttons sometimes linking to the wrong webpage on Linux machines. Is this a good place to ask?
  631. # [15:44] <ankitgoel> no..i am just in contact with one person from mozilla foundation..that too when i signed up on mozilla
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  633. # [15:45] <peregrino> ankitgoel: where are you from?
  634. # [15:45] <ankitgoel> i m from india
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  636. # [15:45] <ankitgoel> i m a computer science student and i knw c++ and java
  637. # [15:46] <peregrino> ankitgoel: take a look here https://reps.mozilla.org/people/
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  639. # [15:46] <ankitgoel> ohk..
  640. # [15:46] <peregrino> ankitgoel: there are quite a few reps in india that you can ask
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  642. # [15:47] <ankitgoel> ohk..
  643. # [15:47] <ankitgoel> for building mozilla what should i download?? mozilla-central or mozilla-beta?
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  646. # [15:48] <peregrino> ankitgoel: mozilla-central
  647. # [15:49] <WG9s> If you are really proficient in C++ and Java, another way to help might be to look at bugzilla bugs marked as good first bug. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr;query_format=advanced;list_id=2623575;status_whiteboard=good%20first%20bug;resolution=---
  648. # [15:49] <WG9s> and see if there is something you can contribute a patch for.
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  650. # [15:50] <peregrino> ankitgoel: also https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Introduction
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  652. # [15:50] <ddahl> khuey|away: next week you are talking about native ID api implementation - perhaps we should also do a 'lab' on bugzilla->hg->patch->review->land
  653. # [15:50] <WG9s> hmm that bugzilla query was supposed to be https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=2623589;resolution=---;status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr;query_format=advanced;status_whiteboard=good%20first%20bug
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  655. # [15:51] <ankitgoel> i am familiar with c++ and java..but i have no work experience...
  656. # [15:53] <WG9s> If you are familiar with using the patch utility and doing diff's that is probably all that is required for the bugs marked good first bug. the idea is that the person who marked it as such is willing to mentor a new user to help fix this bug.
  657. # [15:54] <WG9s> If that is NOT the case then they should not have marked it as good first bug.
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  659. # [15:56] <WG9s> Bugs marked as good first bug are ususally bugs that the person who marked it as such probably really knows how to fix it but thinks this is a good opportunitiy to help someone else understand how to get through the bug assignment, attaching a good patch to the bug asking for and getting review etc. process.
  660. # [15:57] <bavswim> Hey all, I am working on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720040 and I have a couple of questions. Is this a good place to ask?
  661. # [15:57] <ankitgoel> okay..i'll try some good first bugs..and i am familiar with using patch utility and doing diff's
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  663. # [15:58] <WG9s> ankitgoel: ok find one that interests you and assign it to you and attach a patch.
  664. # [15:58] <WG9s> the idea of the good first bugs is supposed to be that the fix is rather obviaous, but a wahy to learn the process.
  665. # [15:59] <ankitgoel> okay…thanx a lot
  666. # [15:59] <WG9s> more than a way to fix the code.
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  668. # [16:01] <WG9s> ankitgoel: That all said, I learned this by jsut finding issues that personally piossed me off and ivestigated the issues and developed patches with no reagrde to trying good first bugs first.
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  670. # [16:01] <WG9s> so there are kind of 2 ways to do this.
  671. # [16:01] <ankitgoel> any other suggestions for starting with open source development??.. i m a beginner..i have problems even with compiling the sources..
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  673. # [16:02] <WG9s> ankitgoel: what OS are you using?
  674. # [16:03] <ankitgoel> i use mac os x..but i have another desktop so i can use windows too if it's preferable..
  675. # [16:04] <WG9s> My main OS I use for Mozilla stuff is Linux, so I don;t think windows is necessary.
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  677. # [16:04] <WG9s> I do not try to compile formt he tarballs from the release.
  678. # [16:04] <ankitgoel> so should i use mac or linux??
  679. # [16:04] <WG9s> I have only ever tried to build the latest nightly builds using the mozilla-central hg repository.
  680. # [16:05] <ankitgoel> i tried building mozilla-beta..but failed..
  681. # [16:05] <WG9s> that is really where the development of new fixes happens anyway so if you want to contribute patches that is what you need to get working.
  682. # [16:05] <WG9s> I don't do this on a mac but I am sure someone else here could help you there
  683. # [16:06] <WG9s> I just installed hg under linux
  684. # [16:06] <WG9s> did an hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/
  685. # [16:06] <WG9s> and built from that
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  687. # [16:08] <WG9s> that is the latest source for what the developers build from.
  688. # [16:09] <ankitgoel> okay…i did the same..
  689. # [16:09] <WG9s> trying to fix bugs and put in patches based on eiter release or beta source is probably not what you want to do anyway.
  690. # [16:09] <ankitgoel> but when i tried to clone..it took hours..and nothing happened
  691. # [16:09] <WG9s> If you are really interested in contributing code you probably really want to be runnign nightly builds and fixing issues there.
  692. # [16:10] <ankitgoel> which linux distro do u use??
  693. # [16:10] <WG9s> well that is another issue clones take forever if you try to do them around the time the nightly builds run
  694. # [16:11] <WG9s> so between 3AM PDT adn maybe 6AM PDT a clone will take forever.
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  696. # [16:11] <ankitgoel> okay...
  697. # [16:12] <WG9s> has to do with the numnber of official builds trying to clone at that time to do the nightly builds and in all the international localizations.
  698. # [16:12] <WG9s> what I do to get around this is to do the following
  699. # [16:14] <WG9s> at midnitnght eastern time i have a cron job that gets the mozilla-central bundle (wget -rq -O /home/wag/mozilla/mozilla-central.hg ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/bundles/mozilla-central.hg)
  700. # [16:14] <WG9s> then i actually do my clone by running this
  701. # [16:15] <WG9s> http://pastebin.com/GS1bn0tk
  702. # [16:17] <ankitgoel> which distro do u use??..
  703. # [16:17] <WG9s> fedora 16
  704. # [16:18] <WG9s> although my build system si still runnign fedora 14
  705. # [16:19] <WG9s> works on both
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  708. # [16:21] <ankitgoel> ever used debian or ubuntu??
  709. # [16:21] <WG9s> I have not
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  711. # [16:22] <ankitgoel> okay..
  712. # [16:22] <WG9s> only PC type unix systems i have ever used are Coherent, FreeBSD and fedora.
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  714. # [16:22] <ankitgoel> i have used ubuntu...
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  718. # [16:23] <WG9s> But I really don;t think that should be an issue in trying to compile.
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  720. # [16:23] <WG9s> should be more a gcc version than a linux distro issue.
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  722. # [16:24] <KaiRo> Linux (any normal distro) should be the easiest way to getting stuff to compile - Windows is where most Firefox users are, though, so it has some importance
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  724. # [16:25] <WG9s> I would think the distro version (having more to do with library versionb etc.) would be more related to compatability with what you build with other distros and versions etc.
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  727. # [16:26] <KaiRo> yup
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  730. # [16:27] <ankitgoel> ohk..thanx...
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  732. # [16:28] <WG9s> THis is why my build system i use to build what i publish is still running fedora 14 instead of something that is actulaly supported. It is for backward compatability.
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  734. # [16:29] <KaiRo> WG9s: if you don't build binaries for others, it doesn't matter though, and newer distros are usually a better diea
  735. # [16:29] <WG9s> but I do.
  736. # [16:30] <KaiRo> sure, most contributors don't, though - and for the common uses there's aleays try as well :)
  737. # [16:31] <WG9s> see here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mozilla_MathML_Project
  738. # [16:31] <WG9s> notice the 3rd link down on the page links to my builds.
  739. # [16:32] <KaiRo> WG9s: try or something like that isn't enough for that?
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  743. # [16:34] <WG9s> KaiRo: Issue is that I am trying to provide access to Math majors doing their thesis to tools not yet released. NOt sure why I got involved in this in the first place, but now that I am. seems I need to keep doing it.
  744. # [16:34] <WG9s> As long as my automated builds keep being able to do it.
  745. # [16:35] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
  746. # [16:36] <@khuey> ddahl: yeah, you're here for the work week right?
  747. # [16:36] <ddahl> khuey: i am
  748. # [16:37] <ddahl> khuey: i even have a set of slides and talk on how our bug process works. I gave the talk at MozCamp
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  752. # [16:43] <@khuey> ddahl: haha, excellent
  753. # [16:44] <@khuey> ddahl: I expect to be there from monday afternoon to lunch of wednesday
  754. # [16:44] <@khuey> should be a good time
  755. # [16:44] <nigelb> ddahl: ohyeah, that was a good talk
  756. # [16:45] <ddahl> khuey: the approach will be the same as the approach to non-mozilla folks:)
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  758. # [16:45] <ddahl> nigelb: thanks!
  759. # [16:45] <@khuey> haha
  760. # [16:46] <nigelb> khuey: where are yo giving a talk?
  761. # [16:47] <nigelb> *wait* confused.
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  770. # [16:57] <nigelb> ddahl: You're giving a talk about bug process to other mozilla folks? :P
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  785. # [17:06] <@khuey> nigelb: that's the plan
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  788. # [17:06] <nigelb> khuey: Oh. Fun! New hires or just a refresher thing?
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  790. # [17:12] <Callek> ddahl: can you ask (someone) to stream it on either airmo or vidyo (or hell even skype) for those of us not there?
  791. # [17:12] <nigelb> Oh yeah, that'd be worth it.
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  820. # [17:41] <nigelb> hahahahaah http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/19415209750/toronto-problems
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  824. # [17:45] <hub> nigelb: so true :-D
  825. # [17:45] <hub> nigelb: and I only spent a week twice there
  826. # [17:45] <nigelb> hub: :)
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  840. # [18:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4a6a529aeec9 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 736770. (Bv1) packaging: Add 'MOZ_UPDATER' condition for 3 files, Sort '[@AB_CD@]' files, Sync' removed-files.in. r=khuey.
  841. # [18:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cc552c8892cc - Serge Gautherie - Bug 713132. (Av1) Make packager.pm missing file warnings fatal on Firefox. r=khuey.
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  848. # [18:13] <WG9s> I still get my pleasure still get my greatest treasure ... heap big woman you make a bad boy out of me.
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  851. # [18:14] <WG9s> Hmm wrong channel
  852. # [18:15] <WG9s> this isn't the queen channel is it?
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  854. # [18:17] <@smaug> could US finally switch to sane measurement formats, like Celsius and kilometer
  855. # [18:18] <nigelb> heh
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  860. # [18:20] <WG9s> hmm not sure what the point is.
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  863. # [18:20] <WG9s> fules seems to be measured in barrles which had nothing to do with either gallons or anything metric.
  864. # [18:21] <JonathanS> smaug, US implements metrics?
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  866. # [18:21] <@smaug> JonathanS: that is the problem. implementation
  867. # [18:22] <JonathanS> I never understand US measurement over yards is so unbalanced
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  869. # [18:24] <@smaug> it should be: interface US : sane_formats {}; not interface US : ancient_formats{};
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  872. # [18:25] <@smaug> (Obviously I haven't reviewed the spec for interface US, otherwise I had filed plenty of spec bugs :p )
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  894. # [18:45] <deLta30> What might be the reason of knightly going to sleep for 300 seconds so that I could attach it to gdb?
  895. # [18:46] <deLta30> Even if I don't want to
  896. # [18:46] <@smaug> deLta30: it crashed ?
  897. # [18:47] <deLta30> smaug: after 300 seconds, it says done sleeping and exits.
  898. # [18:47] <@smaug> yes
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  900. # [18:47] <WG9s> delta30 so why don't you just start it under gdb in the first place to debug this?
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  903. # [18:48] <deLta30> Isn't there any way around it?
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  906. # [18:49] <@smaug> deLta30: press ctrl+c ?
  907. # [18:50] <deLta30> but it will kill the process
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  912. # [18:50] <deLta30_> I want to wake it up
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  914. # [18:51] <@smaug> deLta30: er, you want to do what?
  915. # [18:51] <@smaug> open gdb ?
  916. # [18:51] <deLta30> no I don't want to debug it, I just want to use nightly normally
  917. # [18:51] <deLta30> no debugging
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  919. # [18:52] <@smaug> well, if you get that 300 sec thing, Nightly has just crashed
  920. # [18:52] <deLta30> ohh
  921. # [18:53] <deLta30> I didn't know that
  922. # [18:54] <nigelb> also, knightly, heh.
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  924. # [18:54] <decoder> dolske: ping?
  925. # [18:54] <deLta30> yeah, it is funny
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  936. # [19:02] <nigelb> Unfocused: How weird is it for the tablet fan to turn on when you work on it? :)
  937. # [19:02] <nigelb> s/work/compile firefox/g
  938. # [19:02] <nigelb> :P
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  966. # [19:30] <Asa> should/does scrolling a page with your arrow keys respect line-height?
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  992. # [19:58] <@smaug> Ms2ger: are you, or someone else perhaps going merge m-i to m-c soon ?
  993. # [19:58] <Ms2ger> Not me, unless you volunteer to watch m-c :)
  994. # [19:59] <nigelb> http://webkitmemes.tumblr.com/post/19508068848/maciej-on-git
  995. # [20:00] <@smaug> Ms2ger: uh, I should then know how to do possible backouts
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  998. # [20:04] <Ms2ger> 3.12 + // Because the underlying native didn't have a PreCreate hook, we had
  999. # [20:04] <Ms2ger> 3.13 + // to a new (or possibly pre-existing) XPCWN in our compartment.
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  1006. # [20:12] <IanN> does sevenspade / :crussell come on IRC at all?
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  1012. # [20:19] <Ms2ger> !seen crussell
  1013. # [20:20] <firebot> crussell was last seen 21 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 42 minutes and a couple of seconds ago, changing nick to crussell_detached.
  1014. # [20:20] <Ms2ger> "Rarely"
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  1018. # [20:22] <Ms2ger> "If a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it, it’s probably orange."
  1019. # [20:22] <Ms2ger> Also, we *should* get rid of nspr
  1020. # [20:25] * qDot got the "don't use nspr" sermon when he started, so it's at least being indoctornated.
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  1022. # [20:26] <Ms2ger> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407401#c15
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  1029. # [20:32] <philor> smaug: you *could* just land on inbound, it's really not that difficult
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  1031. # [20:33] <philor> but the one I assume you're looking to land on top of on m-c is only a little while away from being mergeable, Win PGO is almost done on the push above it
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  1045. # [20:54] <By-Tor> sgautherie: ping
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  1047. # [20:55] <sgautherie> By-Tor: yes
  1048. # [20:55] <By-Tor> Should 736770 be reopened in this case?
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  1051. # [20:57] <By-Tor> I thought it was simpler to go with 736544 because I had provided more information on what I was doing there. Which might have been a separate issue.
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  1057. # [21:03] <AryehGregor> ehsan, okay. I'll wait till tomorrow when people are around so I can ask for a second voucher.
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  1062. # [21:05] <sgautherie> By-Tor: I replied to your comment 0 in comment 4 then you didn't provide any more details.
  1063. # [21:05] <sgautherie> It's unexpected that make installer fails for you as it passed "everywhere" wrt bug 736770 and make package passes for you too.
  1064. # [21:05] <sgautherie> I suggest you do a clobber. If that still fail, reopen with an explanation of what may be different between your setup and the MoCo boxes.
  1065. # [21:05] <By-Tor> I started with a clobber.
  1066. # [21:06] <By-Tor> I posted the failure to 736770 now.
  1067. # [21:06] <@khuey> By-Tor: what files is it complaining about?
  1068. # [21:06] <@khuey> the error is above what you posted
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  1070. # [21:06] <By-Tor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736770#c10
  1071. # [21:07] <By-Tor> It's more vague now actually.
  1072. # [21:07] <@khuey> yes, the files it's complaining about are somewhere above that
  1073. # [21:07] <@khuey> and that's what we need to know to fix this
  1074. # [21:07] <By-Tor> There are no complaints above it.
  1075. # [21:07] <By-Tor> That's why I say it's vague.
  1076. # [21:08] <@khuey> :-/
  1077. # [21:08] <By-Tor> Exactly
  1078. # [21:08] <By-Tor> That's why I posted the last 3 files above that... there are no explicit errors.
  1079. # [21:09] <@khuey> even way above that?
  1080. # [21:09] <@khuey> there's a couple hundred files that get packaged
  1081. # [21:09] <By-Tor> Nothing still contained in the scrollback, but I can make a log.
  1082. # [21:10] <sgautherie> By-Tor: we need "Error: package error or possible missing or unnecessary file:" lines and the related mozconfig option. What you post is unhelpful.
  1083. # [21:10] <By-Tor> I had posted the mozconfig in the other bug.
  1084. # [21:10] <By-Tor> That's why I used that as a starting point.
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  1087. # [21:12] <By-Tor> I will clobber and build with a log.
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  1090. # [21:14] <sgautherie> By-Tor: your mozconfig has multiple options. You must report both the exact error(s) and which option triggers (each)...
  1091. # [21:15] <By-Tor> Ok
  1092. # [21:16] <sgautherie> By-Tor: and file 1 (blocking) bug per option, if there are multiple issues.
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  1094. # [21:17] <By-Tor> Ok, working on it now.
  1095. # [21:17] <sgautherie> thanks
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  1099. # [21:23] <philor> Ms2ger: thanks!
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  1101. # [21:23] <Ms2ger> Np
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  1105. # [21:28] <Ms2ger> "We're already doing X, so hopefully it is safe."
  1106. # [21:28] <AryehGregor> Okay, I always get confused: a followup bug should block the bug it follows up on, or depend on?
  1107. # [21:29] <Ms2ger> Block the old bug
  1108. # [21:29] <AryehGregor> I thought so.
  1109. # [21:29] <Ms2ger> There's no technical reason, just convention
  1110. # [21:29] <@smaug> Ms2ger: sounds good :) (Did I write that?)
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  1112. # [21:29] <philor> "This being unfixed blocks the original bug from being completely correctly fixed" is how I remember which way to go
  1113. # [21:29] <Ms2ger> smaug, no, but you reviewed :)
  1114. # [21:30] <Ms2ger> philor, ... that actually makes some sense
  1115. # [21:30] <philor> every now and then I do, though I try not to make a habit of it
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  1117. # [21:31] <Ms2ger> Always so terribly nice about yourself
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  1121. # [21:32] <By-Tor> sgautherie: I found the where the error is. I'm not sure what to proceed with from here. It's choosetoken.
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  1124. # [21:35] <Ms2ger> Wait, "buildbot.slave.commands.TimeoutError: command timed out: 1200 seconds without output, attempting to kill" on Linux?
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  1128. # [21:37] <philor> sure, that's just "this xpcshell test timed out" - the "on Linux" part would only matter if it went on to "sigkill failed to kill process, turning this run purple instead of the orange it should be"
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  1131. # [21:42] <sgautherie> By-Tor: do you have a pastebin of it?
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  1134. # [21:43] <By-Tor> I can momentarily.
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  1140. # [21:48] <By-Tor> sgautherie: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1525411
  1141. # [21:48] <By-Tor> I don't know how helpful that is. But, that's the only error I see.
  1142. # [21:49] <By-Tor> I do have the whole log though.
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  1144. # [21:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/58a2cd0203ee - Olli Pettay - Bug 736058, support createEvent('StorageEvent'), r=sicking
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  1150. # [21:56] <sgautherie> By-Tor: tht is of *no* help. I explicitly told you what lines are needed!
  1151. # [21:57] <By-Tor> I thought you might know what the could be attached to.
  1152. # [21:57] <By-Tor> I'll just keep building until it finally works.
  1153. # [21:57] <sgautherie> By-Tor: did you actually _read_ the line you're posting?
  1154. # [21:58] <By-Tor> eliminating lines in my mozconfig.
  1155. # [21:58] <By-Tor> Yes
  1156. # [21:58] <By-Tor> There is nothing above it.
  1157. # [21:59] <By-Tor> I understand what you're after, I'm just not getting the type of errors you might expect.
  1158. # [22:00] <By-Tor> Just simple packaging errors.
  1159. # [22:00] <sgautherie> By-Tor: if that's true then there is a major bug in that utility.
  1160. # [22:00] <sgautherie> Paste the whole package or installer log...
  1161. # [22:00] <By-Tor> Ok
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  1176. # [22:10] <sgautherie> By-Tor: did you pasted it somewhere?
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  1178. # [22:11] <By-Tor> Sorry, I have other things going on, doing it now.
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  1182. # [22:12] <AryehGregor> What's the difference between a11y mochitests and other mochitests?
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  1184. # [22:12] * AryehGregor is having trouble getting one of them to work at all
  1185. # [22:13] <philor> AryehGregor: what OS?
  1186. # [22:14] <AryehGregor> philor, well, I'm running on Linux (Ubuntu 11.10). A patch I'm writing (bug 735805) is causing accessible/tests/mochitest/test_nsIAccessibleDocument.html to fail, and I'm trying to debug it, but the expected TEST_PATH incantation doesn't seem to make it run properly.
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  1188. # [22:15] <philor> ah, thought maybe it would be the easy answer of a11y on OS X
  1189. # [22:15] <AryehGregor> :)
  1190. # [22:15] <hub> AryehGregor: #accessibility is where you can ask about mochitest-a11y
  1191. # [22:15] <hub> also they fail on Mac
  1192. # [22:15] <hub> that's a know bug
  1193. # [22:15] <Ms2ger> make mochitest-plain won't work, if that's what you're doing ;)
  1194. # [22:15] <hub> as Mac still has a11y disabled
  1195. # [22:15] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, no, I'm doing make mochitest-a11y.
  1196. # [22:16] <Ms2ger> No idea, then
  1197. # [22:16] <hub> oh, on ubuntu
  1198. # [22:16] <AryehGregor> I'm thinking of just trying to fix it blindly and submitting it as a separate patch to try to make sure it works.
  1199. # [22:16] <AryehGregor> try: -b o -n -p linux -u mochitest-o -t none
  1200. # [22:16] <AryehGregor> Should be pretty quick, with any luck.
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  1202. # [22:17] <By-Tor> sgautherie: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1525444
  1203. # [22:17] <AryehGregor> (or should I do linux64? will linux do an extra QT build?)
  1204. # [22:17] <AryehGregor> (linux64 looks slightly faster anyway)
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  1206. # [22:18] <philor> only linuxqt does qt, but last time I looked we were shorter on linux32 test slaves than linux64
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  1208. # [22:18] <By-Tor> Even less useful. I took out another option.
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  1210. # [22:19] <WG9s> exit
  1211. # [22:19] <nthomas> on your left
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  1223. # [22:31] <sgautherie> AryehGregor: ... --a11y --test-path=accessible/test_nsIAccessibleDocument.html
  1224. # [22:32] <AryehGregor> Omitting the tests/mochitest/ part?
  1225. # [22:32] <AryehGregor> Oh, that works!
  1226. # [22:32] <AryehGregor> Thanks!
  1227. # [22:32] <AryehGregor> . . . did anyone ever say Mozilla's test infrastructure can be confusing sometimes? :/
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  1230. # [22:34] <philor> oh, neat, --disable-jsd is fatal
  1231. # [22:34] <sgautherie> AryehGregor: Yeah, don't confuse the paths in the source and in the "object"
  1232. # [22:34] <philor> thanks, xpconnect!
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  1234. # [22:35] <AryehGregor> sgautherie, docs I saw said TEST_PATH= should be the source path . . .
  1235. # [22:35] <AryehGregor> If I'm writing a patch series and later want to introduce a new patch in between two existing ones, should I just number it 4.5 or whatever?
  1236. # [22:35] <sgautherie> AryehGregor: that doc is wrong, maybe :-/
  1237. # [22:35] <AryehGregor> :(
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  1239. # [22:36] <AryehGregor> It would be nice if there were a useful error message for nonexistent tests.
  1240. # [22:36] <Ms2ger> ^ That
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  1242. # [22:36] <sgautherie> AryehGregor:patch welcome :-/
  1243. # [22:36] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, 4.5 works
  1244. # [22:37] <Ms2ger> mcote|afk, sounds like a deficiency in docs above ^ :)
  1245. # [22:37] <sgautherie> AryehGregor: do your patch actually depend on one another? (I think that shouldn't be the case in that bug...)
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  1247. # [22:38] <AryehGregor> sgautherie, no, but ideally I'd want patch 5 to be applied last, because otherwise bisecting would cause test failures.
  1248. # [22:38] <AryehGregor> I could just not care about that, of course.
  1249. # [22:38] <AryehGregor> I mean, if someone went through the history (like because of bisect) and hit the spot between 5 and 6, they'd get the a11y test failing if it was only fixed in 6.
  1250. # [22:39] <AryehGregor> If I may as well submit it as patch 6 instead of 4.5, I can do that, though.
  1251. # [22:39] <sgautherie> AryehGregor: yeah, of course, 5 is to be the last one, but it doesn't matter if you attach part 6+ in the meantime...
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  1253. # [22:39] <AryehGregor> So they should be pushed to m-i in a different order than they're numbered?
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  1256. # [22:40] <hub> is that the bug ? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736886
  1257. # [22:40] <bavswim> hey all, I've been working on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720040 and I have a question regarding the implementation of help buttons on linux. Is this the right place to ask?
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  1259. # [22:41] <sgautherie> AryehGregor: the order doesn't matter, as long as there is a number to follow what is going on.
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  1261. # [22:41] <AryehGregor> hub, that bug is relevant, yes.
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  1269. # [22:47] <sgautherie> By-Tor: I don't know about the pymake error, but that log has no packaging error, not even the one your pasted previously!
  1270. # [22:47] <By-Tor> I know... I just reran the installer and that's what I got. I do however have a new one I'm about to paste.
  1271. # [22:47] <By-Tor> And that does contain it.
  1272. # [22:48] <By-Tor> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1525458
  1273. # [22:48] <sgautherie> By-Tor: Please make an effort to post what is relevant and nothing else .. we're just all wasting our time...
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  1275. # [22:49] <By-Tor> That one has considerably more errors.
  1276. # [22:49] <By-Tor> Like I'm not wasting mine?
  1277. # [22:49] <By-Tor> I'm just giving you what I'm getting.
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  1281. # [22:52] <bavswim> So, on linux machines, the Help buttons in edit>preferences link you to the old support.mozilla.com site which then redirects you to support.mozilla.org.
  1282. # [22:52] <bavswim> I know where the relevant source files are located for creating the first link, but a couple of links re-direct to the wrong webpage
  1283. # [22:53] <bavswim> I can't change the link due to the redirect; it just points to a non-existing webpage on the old site
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  1285. # [22:53] <bavswim> can somebody point me to the right place to ask about this problem?
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  1287. # [22:54] <kwierso> bavswim: look for a bug about this in this list: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=Firefox;component=Menus;resolution=---;list_id=2625338 and if you don't find one, file one?
  1288. # [22:55] <bavswim> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720040 is the bug I'm working on
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  1290. # [22:56] <sgautherie> By-Tor: That last log _does_ have 2 "Error: package error or possible missing or unnecessary file" lines, and that's the relevant part of the log!
  1291. # [22:56] <sgautherie> But they are also unrelated to --disable-updater! They are likely to be bug 735810 though...
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  1293. # [22:57] <By-Tor> I can't explain why it came out differently.
  1294. # [22:58] <By-Tor> Ok, I try again, with it set.
  1295. # [22:59] <cadecairos> cpearce: ping
  1296. # [22:59] <cpearce> cadecairos: hey
  1297. # [22:59] <cadecairos> hello
  1298. # [22:59] <cadecairos> about 726904,
  1299. # [22:59] <cadecairos> I made the changes form the two reviews
  1300. # [22:59] <cadecairos> and got the binaries for the new images in my patch
  1301. # [22:59] <bavswim> Are the redirects from the old support site to the new one something I can even change? Or are they done server-side?
  1302. # [23:00] <cadecairos> just wondering what I should set the attachment to when i upload it
  1303. # [23:00] <cpearce> cadecairos: it should be a patch. the new images should be UUEncoded into your patch.
  1304. # [23:01] <Wes> Does anybody know when firefox updates the cursor after the cursor property is changed? Do I need to recompute the style for document.body or something?
  1305. # [23:02] <cadecairos> cpearce: does this look about right? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1525479
  1306. # [23:02] <cpearce> cadecairos: yup
  1307. # [23:03] <NeilAway> smaug: the worst problem is that they actually use a slightly different version of ancient_formats but they didn't even revise the UUID ;-)
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  1310. # [23:04] <cadecairos> cpearce: awesome. should I make the new patch obsolete my old one? also, should I set sr?
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  1312. # [23:05] <cers> when viewing a single image in Firefox, say http://blog.seanmartell.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/logo_0046_47.png , you can select the image as usual or ctrl+a - but it isn't that easy to deselect the image again - anyone know what's up with that?
  1313. # [23:05] <@smaug> NeilAway: indeed. You should back out their patch :)
  1314. # [23:05] <cpearce> cadecairos: make your old patch obselete, no need to request sr, just mark the bug as r+ and add a comment "carrying forward r=cpearce".
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  1316. # [23:05] <cpearce> s/just mark the bug/just mark the patch/
  1317. # [23:06] <NeilAway> smaug: if I had commit access I'd land a botload of spelling fixes too ;-)
  1318. # [23:07] <NeilAway> *boatload
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  1321. # [23:08] <cadecairos> hmm I think i set the flags wrong there
  1322. # [23:09] <philor> huh, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=COUNT_OF_CJK_LANG_GROUP
  1323. # [23:10] * cadecairos hopes his LVL1 hg account is created soon
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  1325. # [23:11] <cadecairos> been almost 2 weeks
  1326. # [23:11] <@khuey> cadecairos: bug #?
  1327. # [23:11] <Mark_Capella> My level 1 took a month
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  1329. # [23:12] <cadecairos> khuey: 733654
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  1332. # [23:12] <AryehGregor> My level one was pretty quick . . .
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  1334. # [23:12] <cadecairos> i don't wanna rush it, just would be nice to have for this bug im working on :)
  1335. # [23:13] <bavswim> Does anybody know anything about the old support website re-directing to the new one (on linux builds)? Is this done in the firefox source code or is the re-direct done server-side on the old support website?
  1336. # [23:13] <bavswim> or at least know who I could ask?
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  1338. # [23:13] <@khuey> uh, yeah, that's messed up
  1339. # [23:13] <@khuey> normally it takes a few hours once it's assigned to server ops
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  1341. # [23:13] <philor> so --disable-pango is fatal, too, also nice
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  1343. # [23:14] <Mark_Capella> server ops took mine several days
  1344. # [23:14] <Mark_Capella> maybe its me :p
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  1352. # [23:16] <aja> dholbert: ping
  1353. # [23:16] <kwierso> bavswim: probably worth asking in #sumo or #sumodev
  1354. # [23:16] <kwierso> I think the redirects are handled there
  1355. # [23:16] <bavswim> thanks for the help
  1356. # [23:17] <kwierso> there code is here: https://github.com/mozilla/kitsune/ but that might be more generalized than what would actually do the redirects
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  1361. # [23:18] <kwierso> bavswim: and depending on what they say, that bug could probably be moved to the support.mozilla.org product and to some component within that (probably general)
  1362. # [23:19] <aja> dholbert: noticed bug discussion of integer vs number for flex-order. taking into account negative value? (only asking cuz i saw some recent webkit followup bugs to handle it...haven't read your patches yet)
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  1367. # [23:21] <kwierso> bavswim: and with it being a sunday afternoon/evening for most of the US, you might have better luck asking again tomorrow if no one answers you anytime soon :)
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  1371. # [23:26] <By-Tor> sgautherie: https://bugzil.la/735810 was definitely part of the problem.
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  1374. # [23:29] <By-Tor> I don't think your scripts will take care of 64bit cases on windows from what I can tell.
  1375. # [23:30] <cadecairos> yay my account has been created :D
  1376. # [23:30] <cadecairos> but i didn't get my username D:
  1377. # [23:31] <cadecairos> which is odd
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  1381. # [23:33] <sgautherie> khuey: would you have time to review bug 735810?
  1382. # [23:34] <sgautherie> By-Tor: what is the specific issue with Win64?
  1383. # [23:34] <@khuey> sgautherie: I think ted should look at that one
  1384. # [23:34] <By-Tor> I'm not sure if accounts for the path being under x64.
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  1387. # [23:35] <By-Tor> BINPATH is under Program File (x86) but you still have x86 and x64 directories beneath.
  1388. # [23:36] <sgautherie> khuey: k
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  1390. # [23:39] <By-Tor> Ok, nevermind that. That should be left to the user anyway.
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  1392. # [23:42] <sgautherie> By-Tor: _please_ double-check before rising issues. My patch there is easy to apply and test in any case...
  1393. # [23:43] <By-Tor> Sorry, I'll blame my lack of sleep on this today. I'm sorry if I've been a pest.
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  1396. # [23:45] <sgautherie> By-Tor: your contribution is really appreciated, but it needs to be workable. Get some sleep, it does help in the end ;->
  1397. # [23:45] <By-Tor> heh
  1398. # [23:46] <By-Tor> Next time I'll examine the issue more closely. It was all too easy to jump to conclusions.
  1399. # [23:47] <By-Tor> I appreciate your efforts in dealing with the problem.
  1400. # [23:49] <By-Tor> Ultimately, it did point to resolution. :)
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  1408. # [23:55] <philor> and MOZ_MEDIA= is fatal, but that's no surprise, it has been most of the time almost from the start
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  1410. # [23:56] <derf> philor: Bug 736660 didn't fix that?
  1411. # [23:56] <sgautherie> By-Tor: when rested, add a comment to your bug with some (brief) details, so it doesn't remain "incomplete". thanks.
  1412. # [23:56] <By-Tor> ok
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  1415. # [23:57] <sgautherie> @+
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  1420. # [23:58] * kinetik wonders why we even have a MOZ_MEDIA
  1421. # [23:58] <philor> derf: hg pull is hard, apparently :)
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  1423. # [23:58] <philor> merged it in one tree, knew that tree was at tip, pushed to try from another
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