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# Session Start: Sun Mar 25 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:00] <THOR> or even windows for that matter....
# [00:00] <RyanVM> honestly, I'd be curious how well KeyScrambler really works vs. any well-written malware
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# [00:01] <THOR> so far its been tested and does work against some by me
# [00:01] <RyanVM> to me, if the system's compromised, it's doubtful you can be sure much of anything you're running is keeping you safe
# [00:01] <THOR> technically yes
# [00:02] <RyanVM> ultimately, the correct keys have to end up in the correct place at some point
# [00:02] <THOR> but this protection is helpful and has huge advantages
# [00:02] <RyanVM> seems like a malware writer with enough motivation could use that to their advantage
# [00:03] <RyanVM> but anyway, I'm just a random dude on the internet
# [00:03] <THOR> hehe
# [00:03] <THOR> it would seem so and you make many valid points
# [00:03] <THOR> but as a secondary protection it has be tested and proven to be effective.
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# [00:04] <THOR> does firefox have near plans to have a stable non beta 64bit build of firefox?
# [00:04] <kwierso> THOR: yes, if you switch to mac or linux :P
# [00:04] <THOR> I really see an advantage to having 64bit
# [00:05] <THOR> :P
# [00:05] <JonathanS> sandbox is good but there is always way to defeat purpose of it
# [00:05] <THOR> well I used Mac many moons ago and linux a few years ago something about windows I like though that always brings me back
# [00:06] <THOR> sandboxee
# [00:06] <THOR> yes it is a good program
# [00:06] <THOR> so is running stuff from a VM
# [00:06] <kwierso> the 64-bit windows nightly builds are really only there to make sure things don't seriously break on win64, so that when mozilla does start working on win64, it won't start out completely broken
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# [00:07] <THOR> ouch you know the funny thing the last time I used a 32bit processor was back in 2002 I believe
# [00:07] <THOR> just a rough estimate
# [00:08] <THOR> but pretty close
# [00:08] <kwierso> same, but WOW32 works pretty nicely
# [00:08] <THOR> it has been nearly a decade
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# [00:11] <THOR> 64bit seems smoother for me
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# [00:11] <THOR> why this is IDK
# [00:12] <THOR> I have an 1100T AMD with crucial SSD and it has been snappy for like the last year or better
# [00:12] <THOR> the only problem I run into is firefox really
# [00:12] <THOR> after a couple days of uptime
# [00:13] <THOR> it gets sluggish and flash player plugin crashes
# [00:13] <THOR> its almost like there is a memory leak or something
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# [00:13] <JonathanS> flash plugin is buggy.
# [00:13] <THOR> could just be a flash based thing IDK I am not putting the blame anywhere but when FF gets sluggish everywhere
# [00:14] <THOR> it is a slight problem.
# [00:14] <THOR> yes which is why I am glad for the intro to HTML 5
# [00:14] <THOR> in hopes that soon flash will be the past
# [00:16] <THOR> but I suppose an easy test for like keyscrambler is to setup ultravnc on your network and run keyscrambler it makes it a bit more difficult to control a PC
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# [00:17] <THOR> you could likely use the ease of access keyboard from the control panel over an RDP session to bypass the protection maybe I havent really tested it too far as I said just with basic stuff
# [00:17] <THOR> but this program does seem to have a slight advantage
# [00:19] <THOR> and there should be something out there weather windows does something about it or firefox or some third party like it is already updates things more often its a nicely written piece of software and a good part of security arsenal for the average bear.
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# [00:19] <THOR> Someone not savvy enough to run things sandboxed or in a VM
# [00:20] <THOR> nothing is 100% secure but does that mean we stop trying ?
# [00:22] <THOR> Anyways I hope for there to be an official channel for 64bit that does not need updates nightly some time in the near future for windows.
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# [00:22] <THOR> Waterfox is a possible
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# [00:22] <THOR> but last I checked his program instantly subscribes to the beta channel do to a mistake in how the last build was coded for 11.0
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# [00:23] <THOR> I notice when I download and use 11.0 it wants me to jump into the beta channel as well
# [00:23] <THOR> dunno if its due to using the beta channel in the past or what but it instantly subs me to the beta channel
# [00:24] <THOR> I guess there is no simple solution and I refuse not to use FF
# [00:24] <THOR> its been my browser of choice for years now
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# [00:25] <THOR> since the winxp era anyways
# [00:25] <THOR> IE has had far too many gaping security issues for me to consider it an acceptable browser
# [00:26] <THOR> not to mention its plugin system is not so great either.
# [00:27] <THOR> hrmmm might have to go back to running a VM for things like checking the bank account and such seems to be the best way
# [00:28] <THOR> then I can have my cake and eat it too lol
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# [00:30] <THOR> Well I thank you all for chatting it has been a pleasure to speak with some educated folks on my topic and help me make a decision it is nice to see a 64bit build for windows weather nightly or not I appreciate the work done.
# [00:31] <THOR> I have tried chrome and opera and niether seem to do the job for me as well as FF
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# [00:31] <THOR> so it is definately FF for me
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# [00:31] <THOR> call it fanboyish if you want but its just a preference
# [00:31] <THOR> the overall look and feel
# [00:32] <THOR> just dominate the web browser space
# [00:33] <THOR> take care I will be back if I catch anything else worth chatting about. Take care all.
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# [00:41] <Daeken> every interface exposed to JS -- whether DOM, methods on JS builtin types, etc -- is in an idl, correct? or are some things just baked into gecko?
# [00:42] <@khuey> there are some things just baked into gecko
# [00:43] <@khuey> or into spidermonkey
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# [00:49] <Daeken> khuey: gotcha, thanks
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# [01:13] <darktrojan> where do I put a code cleanup bug that covers the whole tree?
# [01:13] <darktrojan> firefox > general?
# [01:14] <darktrojan> actually, /me refrains from filing just yet
# [01:16] <@khuey> core general probably
# [01:16] <darktrojan> oh yeah that makes more sense
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# [03:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/841924d85767 - Andreas Gal - fix mozglue/gonk/Makefile.in comment style (bug 739003, r=cjones)
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# [03:15] <@khuey> boo
# [03:15] <@khuey> bad bent
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# [03:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/33fa8d55914c - Andreas Gal - Build changes to support gonk-ics (bug 737167, r=cjones, patch by mwu).
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# [03:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e779cd5a38f0 - Michael Wu - ELFSIZE not defined on gonk-ics (bug 737190, r=gal).
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# [07:48] <mcpherrin> Why do we even have a plugin finder service? Flash in firefox is such a terrible experience
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# [08:05] <Abhinav1> Hello, I want to remove a bug, but don't know which file is related to that bug. How can I know what is the function of each file?
# [08:07] <mbrubeck> Abhinav1: What bug are you interested in?
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# [08:07] <Abhinav1> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=417952
# [08:08] <Abhinav1> mbrubeck: In that bug, you have commented that file and location where I should change.
# [08:09] <mbrubeck> Abhinav1: Here's a useful tool for browsing the Mozilla code: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/
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# [08:09] <Abhinav1> but for a general case from where I can get which file is used for which function
# [08:09] <mbrubeck> For example, if you open the file that I linked to using MXR: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/io/nsLocalFileUnix.cpp
# [08:10] <mbrubeck> Then you can click on a function name and it will tell you where that function is defined, and where it is used, like: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=ShowURIForInput
# [08:11] <mbrubeck> I hope that helps you get started. I'm about to go to sleep, but other people here or in the #introduction channel might be able to answer questions.
# [08:11] <mbrubeck> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Introduction has some other general resources for getting started.
# [08:11] <Abhinav1> mbrubeck: thanks for the help
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# [09:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/bfa002b0812f - Chris Jones - Bug 739020: Restore ANDROID_SOURCE so that the stagefright plugin knows where to find the gonk/android code it needs. r=mwu
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# [09:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1a99df27f7b9 - Michael Wu - Bug 737196 - Make camera code build on gonk-ics, r=cjones
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# [09:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4d340eb36a3e - Kan-Ru Chen - Bug 739019: Allow chrome code to use PowerManager. r=cjones
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# [11:11] <@smaug> cpearce: your minister Brownlee has interesting thoughts about Finland ;)
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# [11:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2fae50aeacf1 - Michael Wu - Bug 737173, part 1: Import the Gingerbread/Ice Cream Sandwich-compatible audio client code. r=cjones (npotb)
# [11:19] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b70043c5cc01 - Michael Wu - Bug 737199, part 1: Import the Ice Cream Sandwich version of InputReader and friends to get off the treadmill of an internal interface. r=cjones,mwu (npotb)
# [11:19] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7e51d72827a6 - Michael Wu - Bug 737173, part 2: Port AudioManager and libsydneyaudio to the new import. r=cjones (npotb)
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# [13:57] <darktrojan> Ms2ger, so, removing the need for nsILocalFile was easy, removing it altogether, well....
# [13:58] <Ms2ger> :)
# [13:58] <darktrojan> it's only one of xpcom's most fundamental interfaces
# [13:58] <Ms2ger> (gdb) bt
# [13:58] <Ms2ger> #0 0x00007ffff3c8c348 in ?? () from /tmp/firefox/libxul.so
# [13:58] <Ms2ger> #1 0x00007ffff42453f2 in ?? () from /tmp/firefox/libxul.so
# [13:58] <Ms2ger> #2 0x00007ffff42458a1 in ?? () from /tmp/firefox/libxul.so
# [13:58] <Ms2ger> #3 0x00007ffff42479c6 in ?? () from /tmp/firefox/libxul.so
# [13:58] <Ms2ger> #4 0x00007ffff4247ae3 in ?? () from /tmp/firefox/libxul.so
# [13:59] <Unfocused> removing more interfaces? win
# [13:59] <darktrojan> not just win, unix and mac and os2 too :-P
# [14:00] <nigelb> ow, that was a bad one.
# [14:00] <darktrojan> I know, I even included mac twice by mistake
# [14:00] <darktrojan> :-/
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# [14:00] <Ms2ger> FAIL
# [14:00] <Unfocused> haha
# [14:02] <darktrojan> I'm considering embarking on a mission to get rid of all the interfaces we added after we decided the ones we had were complete and froze them
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# [14:02] <darktrojan> eh
# [14:02] <darktrojan> heh
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# [14:03] <Ms2ger> nigelb, can you hum for me too?
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# [14:04] <nigelb> Ms2ger: haha
# [14:04] <darktrojan> it's not so bad, Ms2ger
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# [14:05] <darktrojan> oh you're trying to make sense of it from that point of view, well, good luck
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# [14:05] <nigelb> I'm trying to get an appointment on a govt website. I'll beat you all in doing the impossible.
# [14:06] <darktrojan> haha
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# [14:21] <edmorley> number of builds being scheduled on inbound and m-c tips don't look very healthy
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# [14:27] <Shubham> Hey...I would like to know more about the "User-Specified Content Security Policy" and "Prevent Tracking via HTTP Basic Auth" projects proposed for GSOC2012.
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# [15:15] <Ms2ger> Is IndexedDB supposed to actually work?
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# [16:14] <libs> Cairo 1.12.0 is out, do we need to update Firefox to the latest upstream ver? http://cairographics.org/news/cairo-1.12.0/
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# [16:31] <jesup> libs: what version of Cairo are we running now?
# [16:33] <libs> 1.10.0 I think?
# [16:33] <libs> I'm not really sure
# [16:34] <libs> http://cairographics.org/news/ it's either 1.10.2 or 1.10.0
# [16:36] <libs> http://cairographics.org/news/cairo-1.11.4/ says there's a lot of speedups for Firefox
# [16:36] <libs> 1.11.4 is the RC of 1.12.0
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# [17:33] <zzzzz> what's up with TBPL not showing any test results/build times alll data is MIA
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# [17:43] <Ms2ger> khuey|away, thanks
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# [17:44] <@khuey> Ms2ger: if you'd been a day earlier you might have been eligible for a bug bounty :-P
# [17:45] <Ms2ger> Pff
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# [17:46] <Ms2ger> I find enough exploitable bugs already :)
# [17:47] <@khuey> heh
# [17:47] <Ms2ger> Fortunately, some are only exploitable in my head
# [17:48] <mbrubeck> zzzzz: good question
# [17:49] <Ms2ger> "(This should go away)"
# [17:49] <Ms2ger> Alright
# [17:49] <edmorley> zzzzz: everything's showing on buildapi (https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/mozilla-central/rev/3e4735893504), however https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getRevisionBuilds.php?branch=mozilla-central&rev=3e4735893504&_=1332690012375 is coming up empty
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# [18:04] <joan> when compiling, i get many file not recognized: File truncated errors . ideas?
# [18:04] <joan> thanks
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# [18:08] <@khuey> sounds like you have a busted objdir
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# [18:09] <joan> it only happens in layout/
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# [18:10] <Ms2ger> Shut down your computer while compiling?
# [18:10] <@khuey> were you in the middle of a previous build when the power went out or the machine crashed or something?
# [18:10] <joan> Ms2ger: yes...
# [18:11] <Ms2ger> You can try finding and removing all the empty .o files
# [18:12] <joan> ok. the build is nou in embedding/, no more layout/. i think everything ok
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# [18:12] <joan> thanks!
# [18:13] <joan> oh no.
# [18:13] <joan> i'll have to build a python script or something
# [18:15] <joan> find -maxdepth 10 -regex ".*o$" -type f -empty -print0|xargs -0 echo rm -f
# [18:15] <joan> did the trick
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# [18:18] <PraZuBeR> The .mozconfig file should be in your source directory (that is, mozilla/.mozconfig). - it means mozilla-central/.mozconfig ?
# [18:18] <nigelb> PraZuBeR: yes
# [18:19] <PraZuBeR> thx
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# [18:30] <AryehGregor> To whom it may concern: I'm about to pack my computer for moving to Israel, so I probably won't be on IRC for a couple of days, nor doing much work. E-mail should still work.
# [18:30] <AryehGregor> Bye.
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# [19:30] <Ms2ger> mounir++
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# [20:36] <mcpherrin> Any other gmail/nightly users have broken gmail chat?
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# [21:03] <edmorley> philor: thank you for sorting those, sorry had gotten carried away with something else and only snapped out of it when I saw the bugmail for the new intermitent
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# [21:04] <philor> edmorley: no problem, you don't have to handle everything, only almost everything ;)
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# [21:04] <edmorley> yeah I meant more my m-c push, though they've not long been showing on tbpl for some reason :-/
# [21:05] <edmorley> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getRevisionBuilds.php?branch=mozilla-central&rev=3e4735893504&_=1332690012375 was coming up as {}
# [21:05] <edmorley> [] even
# [21:05] <philor> you have to learn which to ignore and which to scream about, but the alerts in #buildduty are handy none the less
# [21:06] <philor> in this case, the "dm-wwwbuild01:http_age - build-4hr is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - Last modified 8:25:16 ago - 113808 bytes in 0.014 second response time" one saying that the file that feeds tbpl hadn't been updated since around midnight
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# [21:14] <philor> and I guess the inbound Mac opt, since that's about the same ETA anyway
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# [21:20] <WG9s> I guess I should just ask questions more.
# [21:20] <WG9s> I am still not at all sure why this seemed to happen more during overnight hours.
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# [21:23] <Ms2ger> Morning bz
# [21:25] <nigelb> ws 36
# [21:25] <nigelb> urgh
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# [21:31] <@bz> Ms2ger: hey
# [21:31] <@bz> Ms2ger: it's hardly morning!
# [21:32] <Ms2ger> I guess not
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# [21:33] <WG9s> It's always morning somewhere ;-)
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# [21:34] <WG9s> Paraphrasing Jimmy Buffet.
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# [21:37] <WG9s> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPCjC543llU
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# [21:43] <@bz> Ms2ger: what it _is_ is a weekend (so militates against being on irc), but also airport time (which means no family, so nothing better to do)
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# [21:47] <Ms2ger> Hmm, maybe these tests pass because this build doesn't have the regressing changeset...
# [21:47] <philor> halfway done bisecting!
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# [21:48] <Ms2ger> tbpl could have told me this much :)
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# [21:55] <Ms2ger> Not a terribly good connection at the airport, then?
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# [22:10] <philor> "cp: cannot copy a directory, `../../_tests/testing/mochitest/chrome', into itself, `../../dist/test-package-stage/mochitest/content/chrome'"
# [22:11] <philor> that's an interesting definition of "itself"
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# [22:12] <WG9s> philor: well unless some hard or symlinks actually make it be the same place.
# [22:12] <Callek> possibly symlinked?
# [22:13] * WG9s thought he just said that! ;-)
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# [22:14] <Callek> WG9s: 2 second diff between our statements, and on my screen mine was first :-P
# [22:16] <Ms2ger> 3 seconds, and WG9s was first
# [22:16] <WG9s> Callek: SO great mines think alike and sometimes we do also.
# [22:16] <Callek> ;-)
# [22:16] <Ms2ger> Great mines, and sick mines :)
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# [22:17] <WG9s> But then if it is not the right explanation, does it really matter who was first with it?
# [22:18] <WG9s> and of course that was yet another instance of my bad typing was supposed to be great minds. Oh well
# [22:19] <philor> I'd be quite surprised if a symlink turns out to be the right explanation for Win64 PGO but not non-PGO
# [22:20] <WG9s> Well nothing surprises me
# [22:21] <WG9s> and depends on if this showed up on a nightly run becuase they do clobbers (unless it has been changed so they do not) so sometimes new things show up there and also things that showed up on depend builds earlier magically fix there also.
# [22:23] <WG9s> so kind of a did it show up on a becuase it has been 4 hours since last pgo or pgo becuase it is a nightly build.
# [22:23] <WG9s> if it was a nightly then i would suspect the clobber was the trigger.
# [22:23] <Callek> also MSYS sometimes gets confused with file related commands due to <some file api diff between win and linux> on ntfs
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# [22:31] <simar7> Hello Everyone!
# [22:31] <WG9s> Also other than the running out of memory during the build issue anything caused by PGO that is not a bug in a non pgo build is really a compiler bug and not a bug in the product. Just sayin'
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# [22:47] <philor> naughty naughty hsivonen
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# [22:49] <Ms2ger> philor, hmm?
# [22:49] <philor> Ms2ger: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/parser/htmlparser/tests/mochitest/test_bug672453.html?force=1#16
# [22:49] <Ms2ger> Tsk tsk
# [22:50] <philor> it puts the script before the iframe onload that calls it, or it gets the https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=10359487&tree=Firefox#error0 again
# [22:50] <Ms2ger> Want me to fix?
# [22:51] <philor> please!
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# [22:54] <Ms2ger> philor, r? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1534049
# [22:55] <philor> where did the runNextTest() go?
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# [22:57] <Ms2ger> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1534050
# [22:57] <Ms2ger> There :)
# [22:59] <philor> goes beyond my understanding and thus ability to rs
# [22:59] <philor> why do we use an iframe onload as a trigger so much?
# [23:00] <Ms2ger> Well, in this case, because we're loading stuff in that iframe :)
# [23:01] <@roc> Mozilla rated "world's 18th most valuable startup": http://www.businessinsider.com/2011-digital-100--1-100
# [23:02] <Ms2ger> "startup"?
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# [23:03] <Ms2ger> philor, stuck it in the bug, feel free to land
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# [23:09] <kwierso> roc: "Mozilla is rapidly losing market share"?
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# [23:09] <kwierso> rapidly?
# [23:09] <Callek> ...where do we file (mozilla) cairo bugs?
# [23:09] <Callek> Core::??
# [23:10] <@roc> kwierso: not really. We're gaining users, just not as fast as Internet usage is growing
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# [23:10] <kwierso> exactly
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# [23:10] <dao> Callek: graphics
# [23:10] <Callek> dao: thanks
# [23:11] <WG9s> It will get filed upstream quickly if necessary.
# [23:11] <@roc> there are other errors in that piece
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# [23:11] <Callek> edmorley: way to mid-air me with a cc
# [23:11] <Callek> :-P
# [23:11] <edmorley> :-)
# [23:12] <WG9s> one would think that adding only a comment or a cc should not mid-air. but that is just me.
# [23:12] <Callek> WG9s: depends what you're changing really, but yea
# [23:13] <Callek> if I'm commenting and someone comments, I do want to get the midair
# [23:13] <WG9s> there are changes that should be aboe to be merged and those that you need ot loik at
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# [23:14] <WG9s> and the probelm with allowing you to lok at them is that people always seem to pick the choice htat is stupid and undoes hte useful change the other person did.
# [23:15] <cpearce> cadecairos: bug 736400 is ready to land right?
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# [23:16] <libs> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739096 someone filed a bug to update Cairo to the latest 1.12.0 version
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# [23:20] <scrambledeggs> win32 PGO builds broken again ? starting with https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/841924d85767 builds are only take 75+ mins, where normally they are ~220mins +
# [23:20] <cadecairos> cpearce: I think so, unless this is a case we should add tests for. Though I know of no way to toggle user prefs in JS
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# [23:21] <cpearce> cadecairos: not worth a test I'd say. FWIW you *can* toggle prefs in mochitests like so: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/html/content/test/test_fullscreen-api.html?force=1#27
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# [23:22] <cadecairos> ahaha "SpecialPowers"
# [23:23] <cadecairos> awesome
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# [23:23] <cadecairos> cpearce: I can set that one to checkin needed
# [23:23] <cpearce> cool.
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# [23:48] <libs> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739099 someone should contact the people behind HTTPS-Everywhere to fix this
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