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# Session Start: Wed Mar 28 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <edmorley> jaws, margaret: in which case I can just backout 8e42ba558f07:77319b44907b 6e5e46023094:3a4ed2b028ad and it should come out clean then?
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# [00:01] <jaws> edmorley: sounds good to me
# [00:01] <mounir> jlebar|mac: can I bounce the review to sicking? :)
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# [00:01] <mounir> I've heard he does them pretty quickly nowadays
# [00:01] <margaret> edmorley: yeah, do what you need to do, and i can re-land
# [00:01] <jlebar|mac> mounir: mccr8 just volunteered.
# [00:01] <edmorley> margaret: thanks :-)
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# [00:01] <mccr8> r-
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# [00:02] <jlebar|mac> lol
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# [00:02] <mounir> jlebar|mac: he really volunteered? :)
# [00:02] * mounir would be happy
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# [00:03] <jlebar|mac> mounir: Well, not exactly "volunteered", but he said he'd do it.
# [00:03] <Callek> for purposes of this channel, m-c is closed for next few min
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# [00:03] <Callek> (changing tinderbox to reflect that will be more effort than its worth for just the next few min)
# [00:04] <mounir> mccr8: can I move the review to you then?
# [00:04] <mounir> oh, jlebar|mac did that already
# [00:04] <jlebar|mac> mounir: I already did.
# [00:04] <avih> would Ubunto 11.10 be ok to "test linux" for a patch for aurora?
# [00:04] <mounir> that was an easy one :)
# [00:04] <jaws> avih: yeah
# [00:05] <avih> jwir3: ok. thx.
# [00:05] <jaws> np ;)
# [00:05] <avih> :)
# [00:05] <jlebar|mac> mounir: It's not code any one person needs to review, since it's not really interacting with other code. It just needs someone who knows gecko.
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# [00:06] * avih wonders how much time a full build would take with a linux vm..
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# [00:06] <mounir> jlebar|mac: "Geckos are lizards belonging to the infraorder Gekkota, found in warm climates throughout the world. They range from 1.6 cm to 60 cm."
# [00:06] <edmorley> jaws: yuck, still conflicts, this time on mobile/android/locales/en-US/chrome/browser.properties.rej, presume due to the web apps api landing
# [00:06] <mounir> jlebar|mac: I was obviously your man :)
# [00:06] <jlebar|mac> mounir: Want me to set r?mounir again?
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# [00:07] <mounir> jlebar|mac: please no :)
# [00:08] <jaws> edmorley: did that land between my patches and margarets?
# [00:09] <edmorley> jaws: after both; just resolving manually seeing as it's just strings
# [00:09] <margaret> edmorley: oof
# [00:09] <@smaug> jlebar|mac: any better name than BrowserAPI
# [00:09] <margaret> if you want i can do the backout of jaws's patch, since i know where the conflicts would be
# [00:09] <@smaug> jlebar|mac: that is just way too generic
# [00:09] <margaret> or would know how to resolve them
# [00:10] <jlebar|mac> smaug: Oops, I forgot about that.
# [00:10] <jlebar|mac> smaug: BrowserFrameAPI?
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# [00:11] <@smaug> jlebar|mac: that sounds ok-ish
# [00:11] <@smaug> good enough, I guess
# [00:11] <jlebar|mac> smaug: I'll put a note in the bug to change it.
# [00:11] <mounir> smaug, jlebar|mac: BrowserElementAPI? :)
# [00:12] <margaret> edmorley: i'm trying to prepare a backout and see if i can resolve the conflicts
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# [00:12] <edmorley> margaret: ok, thank you, might be easier, mercurial has slowed to a crawl
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# [00:13] <avih> jaws: when compiling, only <objdir> is modified, right? i.e., I can build the same shared source folder on windows/linux, and they won't interfere, yes?
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# [00:14] <avih> (i really like the unity font...)
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# [00:15] <jaws> avih: that *might* work, but i've never tried it before. you'll likely have to run configure on each platform though
# [00:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/03fbc2e18d7e - Armen Zambrano Gasparnian - Bug 739345 - update new talos.zip with fixed permissions for minidump_stackwalk. r=jmaher
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# [00:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/147c0d893cdb - Armen Zambrano Gasparnian - Bug 739768. We fixed the talos.zip issue with a symlink but let's be cut and clear to which talos.zip is the good one. r=jhammel
# [00:16] <jhammel> avih: at least the .pyc files are in the source directory
# [00:16] <jhammel> (sadly)
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# [00:16] <avih> jaws: hmm... well, i only need ot build once for each platform, because i know my patch is perfect ;) so i won't do that concurrently, and all will be good :)
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# [00:17] <avih> jhammel: the .pyc are used by pymake?
# [00:17] <margaret> edmorley, jaws: ouch, this is hurting my brain because there's two levels of changes
# [00:17] <jhammel> avih: the .pyc files are used by many things
# [00:17] <jhammel> test harnesses, build infrastructure, etc
# [00:18] <avih> jhammel: and where are these files? not at objdir?
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# [00:18] <jhammel> avih: nope, in various subdirectories of the srcdir
# [00:19] <jhammel> there may be .pyo files, etc, too...i can't recall
# [00:19] <avih> jhammel: would make clean be enough before building on another platform of the same source tree?
# [00:19] <jhammel> not sure if that ever made it into make clean?
# [00:19] <jaws> margaret: if you back out your changes, then i can back out my changes ¯\(º_º)/¯
# [00:20] <margaret> jaws: ok, i'll try that
# [00:20] <margaret> ugh, what a mess
# [00:20] <avih> jhammel: so u think best bet would be to duplicate the tree?
# [00:20] <jhammel> avih: you can find remove them
# [00:20] <jhammel> avih: i don't know; i haven't tried to do what you're doing; i only remember it biting other people
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# [00:20] <cviecco> open question: when creating a new (boolean pref) and checing its value within c++ code, what method is prefered: Preferences::GetBool($PREFNAME) or $PRESENTCONTEXT->GetCachedBoolPref($ENUMNAME) ?
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# [00:20] <avih> jhammel: i see. thx for the heads up.
# [00:21] <jhammel> np; sorry, i wish i could be more specific
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# [00:21] <avih> np, the warning is good enough.
# [00:21] <edmorley> margaret: glad it wasn't just me :-)
# [00:21] <margaret> hg is so slow
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# [00:22] <edmorley> yeah think it's time to ditch this repo and re-clone in the hope it might speed up a bit
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# [00:22] <@khuey> cviecco: are you in layout code?
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# [00:22] <cviecco> yes I am
# [00:23] <cviecco> khuey: yes i am
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# [00:23] <@khuey> so, you can do GetCachedBoolPref if it's perf sensitive
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# [00:23] <@khuey> if it's not, you should just use Preferences::GetBool
# [00:24] <jwir3> avih,dholbert: I think we have orange on inbound
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# [00:24] <philor> ugh, 3 suites busted, and 7 pushes on the bustage already, I'm closing inbound for a bit
# [00:24] <cviecco> khuey: thank you
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# [00:24] <dholbert> aw
# [00:24] <jwir3> yeah
# [00:24] <avih> jwir3: just looking at it too, trying to interpret the oranges
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# [00:24] <jwir3> avih: I think these are scrolling issues, but I'm not sure
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# [00:25] <jwir3> they sound like horizontal scrolling test failures
# [00:25] <avih> the first appeared to me as carret movement
# [00:25] <dholbert> some (all?) are from before avih's csets
# [00:25] <philor> jaws / margaret : closed, if you've already got a backout commit without CLOSED TREE, lemme know when you're ready to push and we can reopen
# [00:25] <jaws> avih: they first started appearing in my push
# [00:25] <jwir3> dholbert: oh, really?
# [00:25] <jaws> dholbert: they're from my push
# [00:25] <jwir3> I apologize, then, for the unnecessary accusation
# [00:25] <jwir3> sorry
# [00:25] <jwir3> I'm only looking at the one cset so I dind't see it
# [00:25] <jwir3> ::(
# [00:25] <jaws> np
# [00:25] <avih> heh np. let it be all our troubles ;)
# [00:25] <jwir3> very well, carry on then. ;)
# [00:26] <margaret> philor: i'm trying to deal with really slow hg
# [00:26] <margaret> edmorley: if the conflict is just in browser.properties, that should be pretty easy to deal with
# [00:27] <margaret> (i don't know if you've still been trying to make progress on this)
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# [00:27] <@roc> VISUAL STUDIO, Y U NO CONTEXT MENU
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# [00:28] <avih> jwir3: however, scroll failures can happen, e.g. if the test expects the scroll to finish in 150ms, but it takes 400ms now with the patch.
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# [00:28] <jwir3> roc: none at all, or just takes like 50s after a CTRL-SPACE?
# [00:28] <jaws> margaret, edmorley: i have patches that backout the webapps changes from mfinkle, margaret's patches, and my patches, with no conflicts
# [00:28] <jwir3> roc: You can try removing your intellisense db, but it'll take a while to rebuild. That worked for me before.
# [00:29] <margaret> jaws: ok, maybe we should just do that then
# [00:29] <@roc> actually the editor has just decided not to respond to mouse input. Everything else works.
# [00:29] <jwir3> ah
# [00:29] <jwir3> so that's strange
# [00:29] <edmorley> margaret: ah sorry, I stopped when you said you were trying to resolve
# [00:29] <margaret> edmorley: no worries, that's what i figured
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# [00:29] <margaret> hg is just being so slow for me
# [00:30] <jaws> edmorley: do i need to annotate each patch with r=bustage and CLOSEDTREE ?
# [00:30] <edmorley> jaws: just the top cset with CLOSED TREE
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# [00:30] <jaws> ok that is much easier :)
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# [00:30] <edmorley> jaws: anything that matches ^[Bb]ackout doesn't need r=
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# [00:31] <edmorley> or ^[Bb]ack.* in fact iirc
# [00:31] <dholbert> (it does need a bug number, however)
# [00:31] <jaws> ok that's fine, i've got that
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# [00:31] <jaws> edmorley: so should i push it now or do you need to reopen for me to push it?
# [00:31] <jhammel> so hg commit -m 'put the awesomebar back where it used to be"?
# [00:32] <philor> push away, CLOSED TREE lets you in
# [00:32] <philor> after threateningly saying something about "I hope you had permission"
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# [00:32] <jaws> ok pushed
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# [00:33] <edmorley> \o/
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# [00:33] <philor> after all, what bustage could we have landed in the interim?
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# [00:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/87aa00676c4b - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 728886 - Part 1: Introduce constants from ril.h version 6. r=qDot
# [00:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/53001c577ab9 - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 728886 - Part 0: Use constants when initializing RIL state. r=qDot
# [00:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1db916a98bd4 - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 728886 - Part 2: Support ril.h v6 parcels. r=qDot DONTBUILD because NPOTB
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# [00:37] <@ehsan> fantasai: did you file a tracking bug?
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# [00:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fb41b10cd782 - Tim Taubert - Backed out changeset 26051ffdbc34 (bug 739171)
# [00:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/26051ffdbc34 - Tim Taubert - Bug 739171 - Don't save tabItem data while updating tabItems; r=dietrich
# [00:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/50483ab04fd6 - Tim Taubert - Bug 738774 - [Page Thumbnails] Channel leaks intermittently; r=dietrich
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# [00:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5b1154a3289c - Tim Taubert - Bug 734280 - [New Tab Page] clean up newtab test suite; r=dietrich
# [00:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/244991519f53 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [00:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/09362c5dceaf - Robert Strong - Bug 491947 - Disable DDE shell integration. r=jmathies
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# [01:22] <fantasai> ehsan: on what?
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# [01:27] <avih> jhammel: i hg clone aurora on windows, and i try to build it on linux, i get failure before configure, maybe due to line ending CR/LF differences.. going to clone another copy on linux :/
# [01:27] <jhammel> avih: hmm, can you paste?
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# [01:27] <jhammel> not sure if i can actually help, but...
# [01:27] <avih> jhammel: sure, gimme a min
# [01:28] * jfkthame guesses it's confused by CRLF line endings in the makefile
# [01:28] <NeilAway> which component handles window.console?
# [01:28] <gavin> ConsoleAPI.js
# [01:29] <gavin> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/ConsoleAPI.js
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# [01:29] <NeilAway> gavin: ta
# [01:29] <avih> jhammel: /media/sf_mozilla-build/mozilla-aurora/obj-linux/../.mozconfig: 5:
# [01:29] <avih> : not found
# [01:29] <avih> /media/sf_mozilla-build/mozilla-aurora/.mozconfig.mk:7:0:Line expands to non-empty value
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# [01:30] <avih> that was with pymake i think, but got a very similar error with make -f client.mk as well
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# [01:32] <avih> jhammel: that's a better one for make: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1539034
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# [01:33] <jhammel> avih: hmmmm :/
# [01:33] <Mook_as> yeah, that output is consistent with CRLF line endings (on the shebang line)
# [01:33] <avih> Mook_as: is that for the source files? or just for .mozconfig?
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# [01:36] <avih> Mook_as: for linux i need only CR? or is it only LF?
# [01:36] <NeilAway> bah, for some reason I completely overlooked http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/ConsoleAPI.js#209
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# [01:37] <Mook_as> avih: LF
# [01:37] <avih> thx
# [01:37] <Mook_as> (CR is obsolete Mac OS)
# [01:37] <avih> i was also missing LF on the last line. might also be a cause
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# [01:38] <avih> a-ha! :) was only .mozfconfig . configure now running (with pymake)
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# [01:40] <jhammel> watch out, these days it kicks back
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# [01:44] <avih> jhammel: i think it's no good with vbox shared filesystem. symlink doesn't seem to work (the dir is fully writable, and also tried as root):
# [01:44] <avih> /media/sf_mozilla-build/mozilla-aurora/obj-i686-pc-linux-gnu/config/nsinstall: cannot make symbolic link /media/sf_mozilla-build/mozilla-aurora/obj-i686-pc-linux-gnu/dist/include/mozilla-config.h: Read-only file system
# [01:44] <avih> /media/sf_mozilla-build/mozilla-aurora/obj-i686-pc-linux-gnu/config/Makefile:104:0: command '/media/sf_mozilla-build/mozilla-aurora/obj-i686-pc-linux-gnu/config/nsinstall -R -m 644 ../mozilla-config.h ../../config/nsStaticComponents.h ../dist/include' failed, return code 1
# [01:44] <mayhemer> is try for android broken? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=37902a4693f9
# [01:44] <edmorley> jhammel: heh :-)
# [01:45] <edmorley> ah goodie, win opt failure on the backout
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# [01:46] <edmorley> just needs a clobber maybe
# [01:46] <edmorley> oh it was a periodic clobber :-/
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# [01:48] <@ehsan> fantasai: the tracking bug for web sites which work fine in webkit but not on gecko (based on what tantek said)
# [01:48] <Callek> mayhemer: some android stuff was busted, let me peek
# [01:48] <Callek> mayhemer: I triaged both issues today
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# [01:50] <mayhemer> Callek: thanks, just want to make sure my patch is not the cause (seems not to)
# [01:50] <Callek> mayhemer: hrm, I don't recognize that issue as something relating to my issues I dealt with today
# [01:50] <Callek> philor: any ideas? ^^
# [01:51] <mayhemer> Callek: I looked just into one of the logs and it seems like the test wouldn't even start...
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# [01:52] <jhammel> are we not sending a profile and think that we are?
# [01:53] <philor> mayhemer: you have to change the branding in the mozconfig when you push a branch to try
# [01:53] <mayhemer> philor: aha!
# [01:53] <mayhemer> philor: how? :)
# [01:54] <philor> I was going to blame your parent if it turned out to be some bad inbound rev, and started recognizing branch pushes instead
# [01:54] <Callek> mayhemer: oo this wasn't a trunk push?
# [01:55] <mayhemer> Callek: no, it was from mozilla-beta
# [01:55] <Callek> mayhemer: yea that would do it, but philor was quicker to notice the issue
# [01:55] <philor> mayhemer: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/android/config/mozconfigs/android/nightly#21 is the branding try expects (and the same for s/android/xul/), so just change to that branding in a cset on top of yours
# [01:55] <mayhemer> philor: cool, thank you
# [01:56] <avih> jhammel: eventually i duplicated the source tree sans the .hg dir, configure done, now actually compiling...
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# [01:57] <jhammel> i am surprised that using different objdirs doesn't work at all o_O
# [01:57] <@bz> jhammel: hmm?
# [01:57] <@smaug> jhammel: ?
# [01:57] <@bz> in what context?
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# [01:58] * @bz uses multiple objdirs per srctree all the time
# [01:58] <jhammel> bz, smaug: avih's issue...using a sourcedir on different platforms
# [01:58] <@bz> with desktop firefox
# [01:58] <@bz> ah
# [01:58] <jhammel> though i am no expert....but you guys are! :)
# [01:58] <@bz> as in, a single srcdir on a file server or something?
# [01:58] <@bz> or just on a partition that can be mounted from different OSes on a multiboot system?
# [01:58] <jhammel> shared mount, i think? (avih?)
# [01:58] <avih> bz: yes, shared folder with virtualbox. windows host, linux guest
# [01:59] <@bz> what breaks?
# [01:59] <avih> my initial concern was intermixing files, but eventually it failed in configure on some symlinks, probably the filesystem doesn't support some feature which configure uses
# [01:59] <@bz> ah
# [02:00] <fantasai> ehsan: At the point you asked, I was trying to type what everyone was saying while they were saying it, so no :)
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# [02:00] <fantasai> ehsan: I can do that now, if you'dlike
# [02:00] <avih> bz: i ended up duplicating the source tree, sans the .hg dir (it's about 70% of the source tree, in bytes)
# [02:00] <@ehsan> fantasai: please (or I can, just didn't want to file a dupe!)
# [02:01] <fantasai> ehsan: I suggest you go ahead, since you at least know where some of these bugs are :)
# [02:01] <@ehsan> sure will do
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# [02:03] <jhammel> heh, hard to do ;)
# [02:03] <@bz> that's what the text ouutput is for
# [02:03] <@bz> you eyeball what file it's building and guess
# [02:03] <jhammel> bz++
# [02:03] <avih> lol
# [02:03] * @bz is serious, sorta
# [02:04] <edmorley> or in the case of windows, presume it's going to rebuild & relink everything anyway, so go and have dinner
# [02:04] <jhammel> and when it gets to the really long linker step and your whole system slows down, you're almost done ;)
# [02:04] <avih> i don't mind even a rough 5-10% resolution...
# [02:04] <jhammel> even 5-10% would be hard to do
# [02:04] <jhammel> the only way you could even be reasonable would be to clock it and add checkpoints
# [02:04] <jhammel> and run the whole damn thing through curses since you'd have to display that with the build output
# [02:05] <jhammel> and it'd probably screw up your terminal buffer too :(
# [02:05] <edmorley> !seen RyanVM
# [02:05] <Unfocused> someone already made a script that did that.. forget who/where
# [02:05] <firebot> ryanvm was last seen 22 hours, 23 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying 'np' in #developers.
# [02:05] <avih> nah, just display the % every 10 lines or so, would be enough
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# [02:06] <jaws> or you could just do a bunch of clobber builds locally, get an average, and then hope that your current build is following that average
# [02:06] <philor> !seen backout
# [02:06] <firebot> I've never seen a 'backout', sorry.
# [02:07] <edmorley> philor: guesses?
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# [02:07] <edmorley> firebot: well you've clearly never been around the day before an uplift...
# [02:07] <firebot> edmorley: Sorry, I've no idea what 'you've clearly never been around the day before an uplift' might be.
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# [02:08] <RyanVM> philor: backing bug 677122 out
# [02:08] <firebot> bug was last seen 8 days, 1 hour, 9 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying 'pereba, Umm sometimes it doesn't happen. I unno. Maybe it's related to updating firefox/' in #firefox.
# [02:08] * edmorley thinks an amalgamation of firebot and face would be much more fun
# [02:08] <jhammel> edmorley++
# [02:08] <jhammel> we could also get them in a botwar
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# [02:08] <mayhemer> philor: (something else) looks like we have crashes on m-i.. https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=110452fddc2a
# [02:09] <RyanVM> mayhemer: I'm on it
# [02:09] <mayhemer> RyanVM: ok
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# [02:10] <Mook_as> Unfocused: http://svn.oxymoronical.com/viewvc/mozilla/BuildWatch/trunk/buildwatch?view=markup ?
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# [02:11] <Mook_as> big warning flags include things like mentioning CVS...
# [02:12] <gal> bholley, yes, its nice to feel useful occassionally
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# [02:21] <decoder> anyone here remotely familiar with bztools?
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# [02:22] <RyanVM> sorry for the silly-looking backout
# [02:22] <decoder> i cant figure out how to simply update a bug, i.e. set resolved fixed
# [02:23] <mbrubeck> dolske: Recommending DuckDuckGo to someone who's mad about Google not sending referrers, really? :D
# [02:24] <RyanVM> looks like Trev broke Win64 builds
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# [02:24] <philor> uh oh, tbsaunde is busted too
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# [02:28] <RyanVM> meh, we don't care about win64 anyway
# [02:28] <philor> I'd guess that's "broke Windows" and the rest just haven't noticed that they're dead yet
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# [02:29] <philor> and indeed so
# [02:29] <philor> tbsaunde: ping
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# [02:30] <tbsaunde> philor: yo, do I suck?
# [02:31] <philor> tbsaunde: you don't, but I bet you wish you'd put the generic include in msaa too, don't you?
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# [02:31] <tbsaunde> philor: apparently jsut got back, so about to look
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# [02:31] <RyanVM> I officially have this bookmarked for easy copy/paste
# [02:31] <RyanVM> http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/19498220636/try-server-takes-the-beatings-so-mozilla-inbound
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# [02:35] <tbsaunde> philor: do, you want me to back out || add the include || let you deal with it?
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# [02:35] <philor> tbsaunde: I'd say back out - I'm still at work, in no position to deal with anything
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# [02:36] <tbsaunde> philor: ok, sure
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# [02:37] <jbuck> RyanVM: thank you for putting that in scott downe's bug. I'll be sure to put up a copy in his cubicle tomorrow :)
# [02:37] <RyanVM> jbuck: not a problem :D
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# [02:37] <RyanVM> we've got another good one for when he breaks it on his own push
# [02:38] <RyanVM> http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/19627056531/sometimes-its-nice-to-shake-your-vouchers-up-a
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# [02:40] <RyanVM> tbsaunde: If you want to try to fix it, I can back you out if it's still broken
# [02:40] <RyanVM> tbsaunde: up to you
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# [02:40] <tbsaunde> RyanVM: I just pushed the backout of the first patch
# [02:40] <RyanVM> ok then
# [02:41] <tbsaunde> might have been less cycles to try and fix it, I'm 110% sure it builds on linux, but shrug
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# [02:47] <tbsaunde> no, I do suck I didn't add the local include before pushing to try =P
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# [02:51] <tbsaunde> uhm, would someone mind canceling my last try push? I'm blocked on an ldap password reset too...
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# [02:58] <tbsaunde> philor: thx, sorry its not my day
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# [03:10] <philor> hmm, and who busted viewsource?
# [03:10] <gavin> how recently?
# [03:11] <gavin> bug 738568 just got pushed to inbound today
# [03:11] <gavin> and touches viewsource
# [03:11] <philor> two pushes up from that
# [03:11] <philor> you know, the first one with that in it that could actually run tests without crashing
# [03:11] <gavin> ...and forgot to update viewPartialSource.js
# [03:12] <gavin> beep beep beep
# [03:12] <philor> RyanVM:
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# [03:12] <gavin> I can back it out
# [03:12] <philor> oops, hit the enter key instead of the "well, at least one of them will still stick maybe" key
# [03:12] <RyanVM> haha
# [03:13] <RyanVM> fail
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# [03:13] <RyanVM> i blame the reviewer!!!
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# [03:13] <RyanVM> who made him a peer?
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# [03:13] <gavin> yeah yeah, teaches me to trust people to test their patches
# [03:13] <tbsaunde> philor: the point is to make things stick?! I thought it was to draw colorful pictures with tbpl
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# [03:13] <gavin> (backout pushed)
# [03:14] <RyanVM> gavin: Thanks
# [03:14] <RyanVM> tomorrow's m-c merge is sure going to look eventful
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# [03:15] <RyanVM> gavin: It's funny, I just complimented aceman tonight for how painless his patches have been to checkin
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# [03:25] <edmorley> RyanVM: the sombrero of shame so needs http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/19498220636/try-server-takes-the-beatings-so-mozilla-inbound printed on it :-)
# [03:25] <RyanVM> heh
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# [03:31] <edmorley> RyanVM: you know we could totally one up webkitmemes and connect mozillamemes to one of these sites that does custom mug/t-shirt/mousemat printing
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# [03:31] <RyanVM> We could offer the Smokey award to the person who burns the tree the most in one year
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# [03:33] <RyanVM> in fact, we should make a smokey meme image
# [03:33] <RyanVM> "Only you can prevent forest fires"
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# [03:39] <Callek> Anonymous++ http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/20015554407/ohai-bug-739690
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# [04:36] <jtcranmer> not even if you used a mangled version of the name?
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# [04:59] <Bas> roc: Yeah, I think you need to do something weird like `anonymous namespace`, maybe :: will just work but I'm not sure.
# [04:59] <Bas> Would anyone be interested in a Visual Studio add-in that reads mozilla file's emacs modelines and makes the editor behave accordingly?
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# [05:04] <philor> cute, bbondy caused a never before seen gfxFont leak on aurora, on OS X, with a push that only touched browser/installer/windows/nsis/
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# [05:34] <@roc> we're not supposed to use xpcprivate, right?
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# [05:37] <jdm> looks likely to me
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# [05:44] <jdm> glob: do you know if we only send reminders about overdue reviews, or all flag requests?
# [05:45] <glob> jdm, hang on, will look at the code
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# [05:46] <jdm> I ask because jorendorff owes me a feedback?, and I want to make sure he's feeling the thumbscrews
# [05:46] <glob> jdm, looks like all flags
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# [06:08] <jgilbert> any ideas why my mac build is directing keyboard input to its spawning terminal, and not into the browser?
# [06:09] <jdm> jgilbert: yes, you're running the binary in dist/bin
# [06:09] <jdm> jgilbert: you need dist/NightlyDebug.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox
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# [06:11] <jgilbert> awesome, thanks
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# [06:12] <jdm> hmm, my bisection says that an issue I'm seeing on desktop started with a commit that only touched android-sync code
# [06:12] <jdm> I call shenanigans
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# [06:13] <philor> yeah, never trust those sync patches
# [06:14] <JonathanS> what stuff you can trust?
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# [06:14] <JonathanS> heh
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# [06:17] <JonathanS> who land jetpack in firefox?
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# [06:47] <@smaug> roc: ping
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# [06:48] <@roc> hi
# [06:49] <@smaug> roc: about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=610005&action=edit
# [06:49] <@smaug> roc: do you add some more stuff to the class in some later patch?
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# [06:49] <@smaug> or why do you make the MediaStream cycle collectable
# [06:49] <@roc> yeah
# [06:49] <@roc> actually, not even in this bug
# [06:50] <@roc> but in the ProcessedMediaStream implementation, which will be a followon bug
# [06:50] <@roc> then you get cycles all over the place
# [06:50] <@smaug> k
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# [06:53] <RattyAway> gavin: who would be a suitable reviewer for Bug 736738 (besides Dao)?
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# [07:01] <@smaug> is bugzilla very slow
# [07:01] <@smaug> or is it just this network connection
# [07:01] <@smaug> jlebar|mac: sorry
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# [07:02] <jlebar|mac> smaug: ?
# [07:02] * @smaug should never ever review js code
# [07:02] <jlebar|mac> smaug: Oh, it's fine. :)
# [07:02] <glob> smaug, doesn't appear to be slower than usual
# [07:02] <jlebar|mac> smaug: I may end up landing it as-is, and we can deal with the security issues later.
# [07:02] <jlebar|mac> smaug: For now, the main thing is to have something.
# [07:03] <@smaug> glob: could be this hotel network. I assume plenty of mozillians just came back..
# [07:03] <@smaug> jlebar|mac: yeah, I never quite know the status of b2g things
# [07:03] <glob> smaug, ok, hotel network where there a mozillians staying? yeah, that'd do it!
# [07:03] <jlebar|mac> smaug: Neither do I. :D
# [07:03] <@smaug> jlebar|mac: like, this whole browser thing is still missing many parts
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# [07:03] <@smaug> session history, multiprocess...
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# [07:04] <@smaug> khuey: hmm, those are all b2g *Helpers
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# [07:05] <@smaug> I would thought there are some assertions if *Helper isn't the first one to inherit
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# [07:07] <@khuey> smaug: the assertion tests for nsIDOMEventTarget
# [07:07] <@khuey> smaug: and the thing they do inherit from first is an nsIDOMEventTarget
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# [07:08] <@stuart> so
# [07:09] <@stuart> how do i make it so bugzilla's next/prev stuff on bug pages actually is in the order i sorted the results in?
# [07:09] <@smaug> khuey: bah
# [07:09] <@smaug> unfortunate
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# [07:09] <glob> stuart, looking for the bug # on that one, hang on
# [07:10] <@stuart> this broke forever ago
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# [07:10] <glob> stuart, if you are doing javascript sorting of the buglist table, it doesn't work
# [07:10] <@stuart> can i do non-js sorting?
# [07:11] <glob> stuart, yes, advanced search, at bottom of the search form
# [07:11] <@stuart> can't do reversed bug #s tho
# [07:11] <@stuart> :/
# [07:11] <@stuart> o well
# [07:11] <glob> stuart, if you hack the url you can, but, urgh
# [07:11] <@smaug> hmm, it is already Tuesday evening ... not too much time to get sicking to review the patch
# [07:11] <@smaug> and fix review comments
# [07:12] <sicking> smaug: ooh, i can keep looking for a few more minutes tonight
# [07:12] <@smaug> :)
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# [07:13] <@smaug> sicking: I'm sure after a glass or two wine the code looks much better
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# [07:14] <sicking> yeah. I think that can only be an improvement ;-)
# [07:14] <darktrojan> njn, you accidentally l33ted in your blog post
# [07:17] <glob> njn, don't fix it!
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# [07:19] <darktrojan> I'll go rename the add-0ns manager
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# [07:27] <njn> darktrojan: ?
# [07:27] <darktrojan> you wrote "add-0ns"
# [07:27] <njn> darktrojan: lol, I read it about 3 times and didn't see that
# [07:27] <KWierso> though the font on your blog makes it look like an o
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# [07:35] <@bz> Some issues:
# [07:35] <@bz> * long mozilla::dom::bindings::prototypes::XMLHttpRequestResponseType::value is long
# [07:35] <@bz> yes, yes it is
# [07:35] * @bz ponders how to stop the namespace insanity
# [07:37] <njn> bz: change "mozilla" to "moz"?
# [07:37] <njn> :P
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# [07:38] <philor> ns is only two chars
# [07:38] <biesi> bz, "using"? :p
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# [07:39] <biesi> or namespace aliases
# [07:39] <biesi> e.g.: namespace dom_proto = mozilla::dom::bindings::prototypes;
# [07:39] <njn> "mdbp"!
# [07:39] <@smaug> bz: why do we need more ::prototypes ?
# [07:39] <@smaug> s/more//
# [07:40] <@bz> smaug: <sigh>
# [07:40] <@bz> smaug: I don't think we need any of that gunk
# [07:40] <@smaug> well, we want to use some namespaces
# [07:41] <@smaug> I guess we're talking about different things
# [07:41] * @bz is fine with mozilla::
# [07:41] <@smaug> I don't want to add too many namespaces
# [07:41] <@smaug> mozilla:: and mozilla::dom are fine, IMO
# [07:41] <@smaug> anything deeper...not so much
# [07:41] * @bz is not too sure about mozilla::dom either
# [07:42] <@bz> but perhaps
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# [07:44] * njn wonders if the one to remove in |mozilla::dom::bindings::prototypes| is |mozilla::|
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# [07:45] <@bz> njn: pick 3 to remove? ;)
# [07:46] <@khuey> mdbp::
# [07:46] <njn> khuey: I already suggested that :P
# [07:46] <@khuey> ah
# [07:46] <njn> I'll be here all week
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# [07:46] <@khuey> ohai bonnie
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# [07:49] <@bz> khuey: you scared her off!
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# [07:54] <@khuey> bz: apparently
# [07:54] <@khuey> bz: I was curious how long she had to wait for the train
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# [07:58] <biesi> bz, who is she?
# [07:59] <@khuey> bonnie
# [07:59] <@smaug> oh, nice. TB decided to re-download 26000 emails and re-index them :/
# [07:59] <@bz> biesi: she's working on webapi stuff
# [08:00] <biesi> khuey, bz's answer is what I was looking for :-)
# [08:00] <biesi> bz, ah, a new employee?
# [08:00] <@bz> biesi: yep
# [08:00] <biesi> nice
# [08:00] <@bz> biesi: well, a month and a half old or something now
# [08:00] <@bz> biesi: so it's not like kyle _really_ scared her off
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# [08:00] <@bz> biesi: I bet she's used to him by now.
# [08:00] <biesi> oh yeah, I didn't think so
# [08:00] <biesi> still counts as new to me, though :)
# [08:00] <@bz> khuey: so of course jst is trying to still schedule the components thing for tomorrow at 10. :(
# [08:01] * @bz tries to derail
# [08:01] <@khuey> bz: even though he's not there?
# [08:01] <@bz> khuey: his mail muttered about vidyo
# [08:01] <@khuey> heh
# [08:01] <@khuey> derail away
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# [08:01] <@bz> khuey: since he wants pretty much everyone involved in this dom bindings review except you in the meeting, apparently.... ;)
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# [08:01] <@bz> khuey: (not that you can't come if you want!)
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# [08:02] <biesi> do derail, I should sleep ;)
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# [08:03] <@khuey> bz: haha
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# [08:29] <@khuey> firebot: 0xa5a5a5a5?
# [08:29] <firebot> khuey: iirc, 0xa5a5a5a5 is jemalloc allocated uninitialized junk memory (cf. 0x5a5a5a5a)
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# [08:37] <@bz> khuey: dare I ask? ;)
# [08:37] <@khuey> debugging with jesup
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# [08:40] * @khuey should be a compiler
# [08:40] <Mavericks> haha
# [08:40] <@khuey> debugging through code inspection
# [08:43] <@bz> +nsXMLHttpRequestUpload*
# [08:43] <@bz> +nsXMLHttpRequest::GetUpload()
# [08:43] <@bz> +{
# [08:43] <@bz> + if (!mUpload) {
# [08:43] <@bz> + mUpload = new nsXMLHttpRequestUpload(this);
# [08:43] <@bz> + }
# [08:43] <@bz> + return mUpload;
# [08:43] <@bz> +}
# [08:44] <@bz> Awesome
# [08:44] <@bz> (that's the C++ impl of a new-binding object getter)
# [08:44] <@khuey> return mUpload ? mUpload : (mUpload = new nsXMLHttpRequestUpload(this));
# [08:44] <@bz> khuey: please no
# [08:44] <@khuey> heh
# [08:44] <@khuey> ternaries are fun
# [08:45] <@bz> r-
# [08:45] <darktrojan> what, no ?: operator?
# [08:45] <@bz> no assignment in what should by rights be an rvalue
# [08:45] <@bz> imho
# [08:45] <@bz> khuey: but isn't that pretty?
# [08:45] <@bz> khuey: we _must_ be doing something right!
# [08:45] <@khuey> it's a lot better
# [08:46] * @bz elided some rv stuff that peterv left in by accident and that we can actually ditch, to be honest
# [08:46] <@bz> specifically, there is a totall unused "nsresult& aRv" argument
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# [08:47] <@bz> which we can So Get Rid Of
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# [08:47] <@bz> (tm)
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# [08:48] <@bz> GetOnerror
# [08:48] <@bz> totally looks like GetOneError to me....
# [08:49] <@bz> I do have to say, the autogenned code is fugly
# [08:49] <@bz> JSObject* result;
# [08:49] <@bz> result = self->GetOnerror();
# [08:49] <@bz> *vp = JS::ObjectOrNullValue(result);
# [08:49] <@bz> vs....
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# [08:49] <@khuey> good thing nobody has to look at it!
# [08:49] <@bz> *vp = JS::ObjectOrNullValue(self->GetOnerror());
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# [08:50] <@bz> khuey: it's the principle of the thing!
# [08:50] <@bz> btw
# [08:50] <@bz> if I have my way here, the getter binding method will look kinda like this:
# [08:50] <@bz> static JSBool
# [08:51] <@bz> get_onerror_fast(JSContext* cx, XMLHttpRequestEventTarget* self, JS::Value* vp)
# [08:51] <@bz> {
# [08:51] <@bz> JSObject* result;
# [08:51] <@bz> result = self->GetOnerror();
# [08:51] <@bz> *vp = JS::ObjectOrNullValue(result);
# [08:51] <@bz> return true;
# [08:51] <@bz> }
# [08:51] * @bz will make it happen
# [08:51] <arpan> Hi, I wanted to talk to someone having info regarding Google Summer of Code, the application process, project proposal, ...,
# [08:52] <@bz> gerv or jdm would be best
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# [08:53] <@bz> it's around 9am where gerv is now....
# [08:53] <@bz> so pinging him _might_ work
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# [08:55] <hsivonen> I should stop looking at old code. When I look at old code to fix something I need to fix, I find more stuff I feel compelled to fix even though it's not really blocking me.
# [08:56] <@bz> hah
# [08:56] <darktrojan> don't look at xpcom/io then
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# [08:57] <arpan> help
# [08:58] <@khuey> arpan: did you see what bz said?
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# [08:59] <Mark_Capella> maybe he found https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode12
# [09:00] <nattofriends> how do i mark someone else's patch as needing review? I was wandering around bugzilla and found a languishing patch...
# [09:01] <arpan> Mark_Capella: Yes via http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/mozilla I came to know.
# [09:01] <@khuey> nattofriends: the same way you would mark your own
# [09:01] <KWierso> nattofriends: you need canedit privileges on bugzilla, then you can set the r? flag to someone from the attachment details page
# [09:01] <Mavericks> arpan: was about to post that link
# [09:01] <arpan> khuey: You mean "gerv or jdm would be best". I thought it not for me
# [09:01] <nattofriends> ah, okay
# [09:01] <@khuey> arpan: yes, that was directed at you
# [09:02] <Mark_Capella> jdm: 3am his time currently .... though usually hes a night guy
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# [09:03] <@bz> nattofriends: which bug?
# [09:03] <@bz> arpan: the "gerv or jdm" comment was to you
# [09:03] <nattofriends> 265248
# [09:04] <@bz> ah, already dealt with
# [09:04] <@bz> ok. ;)
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# [09:04] <arpan> ok
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# [09:05] <@khuey> if I see glazou show up I'm definitely up too late
# [09:05] <glazou> I'll change my nick to alarmClock one day
# [09:07] <@bz> heh
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# [09:07] <@bz> when _I_ usually see glazou show up, I know I'm in trouble
# [09:07] <@khuey> hehe
# [09:07] <@bz> seeing him on this coast is not nearly as bad
# [09:08] <@khuey> yeah
# [09:08] <glazou> :)
# [09:08] <@bz> glazou: ;)
# [09:08] <glazou> and I arrive quite early at the office, not a geek's usual schedule
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# [09:11] <hsivonen> I wonder if the automatic rewrite to remove useless null checks after infallible allocations is ever going to happen
# [09:11] <@khuey> it's not
# [09:11] <hsivonen> ok
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# [09:15] <ewong> how do I output a line to the Error Console?
# [09:15] <heycam> ewong, you can do console.log("hello") from script
# [09:15] <hsivonen> ewong: there are helpers in nsContentUtils for that
# [09:16] <hsivonen> heycam: that doesn't go to the error console
# [09:16] <heycam> hsivonen, oh right, I completely forgot about the actual error console
# [09:16] <ewong> hsivonen: nsContentUtils? ok. thanks!
# [09:16] <heycam> I guess I haven't opened it for a while since the whatever other thing is called exists
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# [09:16] <heycam> web console
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# [09:20] <glazou> ewong: Components.classes[mailto:%27@mozilla.org/consoleservice;1'].getService(Components.interfaces.https://developer.mozilla.org/en/nsIConsoleService).logStringMessage(str);
# [09:20] <glazou> d"oh
# [09:20] <darktrojan> or Services.console
# [09:20] <glazou> Components.classes['@mozilla.org/consoleservice;1'].getService(Components.inter\
# [09:20] <glazou> faces.nsIConsoleService).logStringMessage(str);
# [09:20] <glazou> better
# [09:20] <hsivonen> glazou: I wonder what added mailto:
# [09:20] <glazou> hsivonen: copy/paste
# [09:20] <ewong> glazou, darktrojan thanks!
# [09:21] <hsivonen> glazou: I hope paste--not copy
# [09:21] <glazou> hsivonen: MDN adds that to stuff with @
# [09:21] <glazou> look at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Debugging_a_XULRunner_Application
# [09:21] <glazou> more specifically at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Debugging_a_XULRunner_Application#To_output_messages_to_the_JS_console
# [09:21] <hsivonen> glazou: ok. so not a clipboard export problem. so not my problem
# [09:21] <glazou> eh
# [09:22] * glazou sees hsivonen thought "copy/paste => nsCopySupport => nsHTMLSerializer"
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# [09:24] <hsivonen> looks like BrowserQuest makes it Microsoft's turn to figure out why another vendor's demo doesn't work even though it's supposed to use supported features
# [09:24] <newn> hi
# [09:24] <newn> can onclick event get the co-ordinates of the clicked point ? or any other way?
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# [09:25] <newn> KaiRo: Hi
# [09:26] <newn> plz help
# [09:26] <givanica> i think you can
# [09:26] <newn> but how
# [09:26] <newn> i searched google but didnt got
# [09:26] <glazou> newn: clientX, clientY, screenX, screenY
# [09:26] <givanica> see if this can help you , http://www.dynamicdrive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32671
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# [09:28] <dao> !seen felipe
# [09:28] <firebot> felipe was last seen 4 hours, 42 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying 'gavin: was it you on browserquest?' in #fx-team.
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# [09:29] <ewong> woot. glazou that works! thanks!
# [09:29] <felipe> hi dao
# [09:29] <glazou> ewong: np
# [09:30] <dao> felipe: I was just wondering if you were available to do the review in bug 739093, since I want to land it on aurora, possibly beta
# [09:30] <felipe> dao: I'll get to the reviews very soon, maybe still tonight or tomorrow morning
# [09:30] <dao> felipe: ok, thanks
# [09:31] <felipe> dao: ok I'll start with 739093. do you also want to land the other one on aurora? (the one about simplifying tabsontop)
# [09:31] <dao> felipe: nope
# [09:31] <felipe> ok
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# [09:33] <avih|away> bash question: if i'm doing hg qrefresh -m "comment" and I want comment to contain literal quotes, should I use \"? or "" (double quote)? or just refrain and use ' instead?
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# [09:40] <darktrojan> try it?
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# [09:46] * @bz would just qref -e and avoid the problem
# [09:49] <@bz> has anyone gotten browserquest to actually work?
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# [09:49] <@bz> in Firefox, esp
# [09:50] <glob> bz, wfm
# [09:50] <@bz> nothing happens when I click
# [09:50] <glob> bz, nightly, osx. finished game without issues
# [09:50] <@bz> tried nightly and fx10
# [09:50] <@bz> on osx
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# [09:50] <Cork> works fine on linux
# [09:50] * @bz tries fx11
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# [09:51] <glazou> bz: yes
# [09:51] <glazou> WFM
# [09:52] <glazou> nightly on mac
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# [09:53] <@bz> quite odd
# [09:53] * @bz wonders why it's not working for him
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# [09:53] <glob> i just need to find the rickroll npc
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# [09:53] <@bz> not working in chrome either
# [09:53] <avih> when requesting approval-mozilla-aurora on a 3 parts patch: 1. Do I need to fill possibly different field values (risks, etc) per part? 2. Does "Testing completed" refer to some formal tests? or can I just write that I tested it locally on platforms a,b,etc? 3. Risks: I can assess the risks from my point of view, but there may be others which I'm not aware of (as i'm a mozilla noob), So I can't 100% stand behind the completeness of the risks
# [09:53] <avih> . should anyone else assess the risks too?
# [09:53] <@bz> clicking just does nothing
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# [09:54] <@bz> avih: asking your reviewer to do the risk assessment may make sense
# [09:54] <glandium> what's wrong with android talos on try?
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# [09:55] <glazou> is there anyway I could have JSON.stringify() _not_ quote the attribute names ?
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# [09:55] <avih> bz: and q1/2?
# [09:56] <@bz> glazou: attribute names?
# [09:56] <glazou> { "foo": 1 }
# [09:56] <glazou> foo
# [09:56] <Cork> glazou: that wouldn't be valid json
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# [09:56] <glazou> Cork: ah
# [09:56] <@bz> avih: 1: no, 2: just write where you tested it
# [09:56] <glazou> Cork: sigh, too bad
# [09:56] <avih> bz: thx.
# [09:57] <@bz> glazou: object = begin-object [ member *( value-separator member ) ]
# [09:57] <@bz> end-object
# [09:57] <@bz> member = string name-separator value
# [09:57] <@bz> glazou: from RFC 4627
# [09:57] <@bz> glazou: section 2.2
# [09:57] <glazou> sigh thanks bz ; too bad because in most cases, these quotes are not needed and take bandwidth
# [09:57] <@bz> name-separator = ws %x3A ws ; : colon
# [09:57] <@bz> value-separator = ws %x2C ws ; , comma
# [09:58] <@bz> not needed for JS....
# [09:58] <@bz> needed for JSON
# [09:58] <@bz> are you gzipping your JSON on the wire?
# [09:58] <glazou> nope, cannot
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# [10:05] <@bz> glazou: <sigh>
# [10:05] * @bz decides browserquest is just broken
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# [10:05] <@bz> since I have yet to find a browser it actually works in...
# [10:07] <glazou> are you sure you're using it correctly ?
# [10:07] <@bz> well
# [10:07] <@bz> no
# [10:07] <@bz> I load the page
# [10:07] <@bz> put in a name
# [10:07] <@bz> get the popup that says "click to move"
# [10:07] <@bz> click on that; it goes away
# [10:07] <@bz> after that, no matter where I click, nothing happens
# [10:08] * glazou notices it's slower than yesterday to load
# [10:08] <@bz> probably slashdotted
# [10:08] <@bz> but still
# [10:08] <@bz> it wasn't working for me this morning either, when it wasn't slashdotted
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# [10:09] <glandium> bz: i've had the same problem since the very first testing days
# [10:09] <glandium> reported it, got in contact with the developers, and nothing more
# [10:10] * darktrojan enjoyed the trolling on that slashdot article
# [10:10] <glandium> apparently, it was never fixed
# [10:10] <glandium> bz: what is your os ?
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# [10:11] <glazou> bz: works perfectly here
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# [10:12] <@bz> glandium: OS X, 10.6
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# [10:13] <@bz> glazou: <shrug>
# [10:13] <glandium> bz: interesting. i was almost thinking it would be a linux issue.
# [10:13] <@bz> glazou: broken for me in 3 different rendering engines, 3 different gecko versions
# [10:13] <glazou> OS X 10.6 too here
# [10:13] <@bz> glazou: on two different wireless networks, in case that happened to matter....
# [10:14] <Metapioca> bz: hi!
# [10:15] <Metapioca> When you get the time, your opinion on bug 737851 will be welcome :)
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# [10:16] <@bz> Metapioca: sure
# [10:16] <hsivonen> my about:blank patches have suffer from an orange rot. :-(
# [10:16] <@bz> Metapioca: I got the mail
# [10:16] <@bz> Metapioca: I should have comments in the next day or two
# [10:17] <Metapioca> ok, no hurry, thanks
# [10:17] <@bz> Metapioca: for one thing, I need to reread the webkit stuff to see exactly what they do
# [10:17] <@bz> Metapioca: if you've read it more recently and happen to know, putting that in the bug would be very helpful
# [10:19] <glandium> bz: interestingly, i see no mention of the clicking problem on /.
# [10:20] <glazou> browserquest works so well for me I just died
# [10:21] <darktrojan> Error: Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at ws://178.79.178.215/.
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# [10:32] <Metapioca> bz: nope, I haven't read it ; but my tests give the exact same results with the patch & with chromium, even in weird cases
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# [10:36] <glandium> waw, 19 minutes for a try build for b2g... if only we could have the same timings on other platforms...
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# [10:38] <darktrojan> red doesn't count as a build
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# [10:39] <NeilAway> avih: \ quotes double quotes inside double quotes. I can never remember the bash quoting rules for single quotes though.
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# [10:40] <glandium> darktrojan: no, no, a real green
# [10:41] <darktrojan> yeah, I saw, I was just mocking your more recent attempts
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# [10:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4f8b9ff09a8a - Dão Gottwald - Bug 739093 - Remove the fullscreenflex. r=felipe
# [10:42] <glandium> darktrojan: not funny
# [10:43] <glandium> i wonder if there's a trychooser thing for b2g
# [10:45] <NeilAway> you should get a trophy just for waiting long enough for it to load :s
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# [10:45] <glandium> NeilAway: for what to load ?
# [10:46] <NeilAway> glandium: browserquest
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# [10:47] <glandium> yeah, it wasn't that bad when it wasn't public. looks like it doesn't scale very well
# [10:47] <glandium> which is kind of sad, since there aren't that many users
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# [10:48] <glob|away> glandium, ~900 users isn't too bad
# [10:48] <NeilAway> oh, and now I'm getting slow script warnings :s
# [10:48] <glandium> glob|away: it isn't that much either
# [10:49] <glandium> and if each vertical bar on http://browserquest.mozilla.org/status/ represents a server, 50 per server is really not a lot
# [10:49] <glandium> i'd go as far as saying it's pretty pathetic if it's that
# [10:50] <NeilAway> aaand nothing happened :s
# [10:50] <hsivonen> not quite *massively* multiplayer :-(
# [10:51] <Pike> glandium: I think it's 3 servers, with up to 10 node processes per server
# [10:52] <glandium> Pike: sounds better
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# [10:53] <@roc> Moderately Multiplayer
# [10:53] <@roc> anyone have a clue what this Windows build error means? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=10428520&tree=Try&full=1#error0
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# [10:55] <@roc> it looks like the CPPSRCS in content/media were ignored
# [10:56] <@roc> and I don't understand why that would happen
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# [10:57] <@roc> naturally, the build works locally
# [10:57] <Pike> roc: to ask the silly question, did you hg add AudioSegment.cpp?
# [10:58] <@roc> no!
# [10:58] <@roc> why didn't I think of that?
# [10:58] <glandium> roc: too obvious :)
# [10:59] <Pike> glad to help
# [11:00] <@roc> thanks
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# [11:02] <@bz> roc: heh
# [11:02] <@bz> roc: you and I responded to Charles in more or less identical words....
# [11:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3db28151b12f - Serge Gautherie - Bug 482911. (AAv1) Remove DEFAULT_BOOKMARKS leftover. r=mak77.
# [11:02] <@bz> roc: good to know it's not just me. ;)
# [11:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a996d3df12a3 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 735312. (AAv1) Remove MIGRATION_BUNDLE leftover. r=mak77.
# [11:04] <@roc> your point about C/C++ is a very good one
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# [11:05] <@bz> roc: I thought it might help, yeah
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# [11:06] <@bz> roc: of course now he might respond with "well, but the C spec doesn't require 8-bit chars; why should we require this?"
# [11:06] <@bz> roc: and then the discussion will drag on a bit more...
# [11:06] <@roc> let's make a pact to ignore it
# [11:06] <@bz> roc: heh
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# [11:06] <glandium> roc, bz: what are you talking about?
# [11:06] <@roc> alright
# [11:07] <@roc> glandium: WHATWG thread
# [11:07] <@bz> glandium: start at http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2012-March/035204.html and weep
# [11:07] <@roc> the JS typed arrays spec exposes endianness
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# [11:07] <@bz> and ken russel's reasoning for why is almost reasonable
# [11:07] <@roc> naturally, Web authors write code that assumes little-endian
# [11:07] <@bz> but ...
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# [11:08] <hsivonen> readyState code, Y U so broken
# [11:08] <@roc> certain people refuse to make the spec match reality and require little-endian behavior
# [11:08] <@bz> it's too bad we started off with arrays + views
# [11:08] <@bz> hsivonen: hmm?
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# [11:08] <@bz> if we'd started with something closer to binary data, we wouldn't have needed to expose endianness. :(
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# [11:09] <@bz> hsivonen: please tell me you're not changing readyState code
# [11:09] <hsivonen> bz: I am
# [11:09] <@bz> hsivonen: bad idea
# [11:09] <@bz> hsivonen: please don't
# [11:09] <hsivonen> bz: it seemed hard to fix about:blank without first fixing readyStates not to go backwards
# [11:09] <@bz> hsivonen: unless you imported the patch in bug a
# [11:10] <@bz> oh, not xhr readystate
# [11:10] <@bz> nevermind
# [11:10] <@bz> carry one
# [11:10] <@bz> er, on
# [11:10] <@roc> ooh, click to play plugins landed
# [11:10] <@roc> excellent
# [11:10] <hsivonen> anyway, it seems my readyState fixes from last summer have rotted and made even B orange
# [11:11] <@bz> hsivonen: :(
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# [11:14] <@roc> it takes longer and longer to read through commits these days and read the interesting ones
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# [11:14] <@roc> that's probably good
# [11:14] <@roc> alright, I'm taking the rest of the evening off
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# [11:15] <glandium> roc, bz: he seems to be living in a strange world
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# [11:23] <@bz> glandium: so are we all
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# [11:23] <@bz> it's gotten late
# [11:23] <@bz> g'night, all
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# [11:34] <hsivonen> uh oh. timing code now depends on readyState transitions
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# [11:39] <Ms2ger> \o_
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# [11:47] <avih> hmm.. on windows, running firefox -profile "non-existing-dir" creates that dir. on linux it complains that it's not there... (but works with an empty dir).. bug?
# [11:47] <avih> also w00t! built aurora on linux for the first time, and my patch works there too :)
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# [11:51] <avih> also, would have been nice if on firefox on ubuntu used the "thin scrollbar".
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# [11:55] <markh> so any clues from the non-US people about how in MSVC to do a DumpJSObject when no xpcom frame exists and thus no DumpJSObject exists?
# [11:55] <markh> or even night-owl US people ;)
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# [11:58] <darktrojan> no avih, it would be nice if ubuntu didn't use the horrible thin scrollbar
# [11:58] <ttaubert> heh :)
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# [12:05] <Ms2ger> <mounir> I've heard [sicking] does them pretty quickly nowadays
# [12:05] <Ms2ger> Orly
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# [12:07] <edmorley> Good morning :-)
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# [12:09] <Ms2ger> Morning
# [12:09] <Unfocused> lies!
# [12:09] <Ms2ger> Downside of writing tests: finds a lot of bugs in Gecko
# [12:10] <Ms2ger> Who implemented our localStorage stuff?
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# [12:10] <darktrojan> tests?
# [12:10] <darktrojan> what are they?
# [12:11] <Ms2ger> Unfocused, good night :)
# [12:11] <Unfocused> feels rather average, but ok
# [12:11] <darktrojan> average night
# [12:11] <edmorley> darktrojan: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m15m3fg5zp1rrf1eeo1_500.jpg
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# [12:12] <darktrojan> :D
# [12:12] <hsivonen> what should I do when hg diff doesn't print anything but hg qpop and hg qpush claim local changes?
# [12:12] <avih> darktrojan: 1. it's a personal preference (i like it for screen space) and 2, i _think_ that's the native widget on ubuntu, so firefox should respect that i think.
# [12:12] <hsivonen> maybe I could try hg qnew -f
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# [12:13] <darktrojan> avih, yes and yes, but it's still horrible
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# [12:14] <avih> darktrojan: i can only say that i (mostly) like it, because i rarely use scrollbar drag, and because it saves screen space.
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# [12:14] <hsivonen> so the problem is testing/peptest/tests/firefox/server/mozilla.org/index.html.orig
# [12:14] <hsivonen> and *.orig being in some kind of ignore file
# [12:15] <@bz_sleep> gah
# [12:15] <@bz_sleep> whoever checked in that file.....
# [12:15] * @bz_sleep suggests a gentle hg rename
# [12:15] <darktrojan> someone checked in an .orig?
# [12:15] <@bz_sleep> because yes, .orig is in the default hgignore, because it's what internalmerge produces on failures...
# [12:16] <avih> darktrojan: however, i do hate unity (and like the ubuntu font very much)
# [12:16] <glandium> avih: there's a bug on that
# [12:17] <avih> glandium: ok.
# [12:17] <darktrojan> I don't hate unity, just the bugs in unity
# [12:17] * @bz_sleep is not sure whether the .orig was landed on purpose
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# [12:17] <hsivonen> filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739924
# [12:17] <darktrojan> and the stupid UI decisions
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# [12:18] <@bz_sleep> the .orig certainly doesn't seem to be used
# [12:18] <avih> i'm not productive with unity. menu with submenues give me much quicker access to apps, and especially if i don't want to use the keyboard to search
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# [12:18] <@bz_sleep> ah, but are you productized?
# [12:18] <darktrojan> have you got 12.04?
# [12:19] <avih> no, installed 11.10
# [12:19] <darktrojan> oh right I misread
# [12:19] <avih> (previously i had a debian sid box, with xfce)
# [12:19] <darktrojan> yeah I hate the app chooser
# [12:19] <darktrojan> ew and ew
# [12:19] <avih> :)
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# [12:20] <avih> sid was via aptosid. it was an experimental system, and it actually worked really really nice.
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# [12:20] <avih> used it as my main system for a month or so. was my first real hands-on with linux (prior to that i just played with live cds for years)
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# [12:21] <Unfocused> debian, eh? i heard they upgraded to firefox 2 recently
# [12:21] <avih> lol
# [12:21] <Ms2ger> roc, my approach to reading commit messages is ignoring all .java changes ;)
# [12:22] <avih> sid got iceweasel 10 as soon as firefox 10 was released
# [12:23] <hsivonen> I wonder how well the various WebKits in Debian are keeping up with security patches
# [12:23] <avih> Unfocused: sid is the "experimental" branch, as in, everything gets there almost instantly after upstream changes.
# [12:23] <hsivonen> Is Debian stable still at Chromium 6 or so?
# [12:23] <Unfocused> i'll take your word for it ;)
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# [12:24] <avih> it's true, used it for a while, constant stream of updates. if you dont dist-upgrade for a week, expect tons of updates, and usually a new ersion of the kernel. or two ;)
# [12:24] <glandium> hsivonen: yes http://packages.debian.org/source/stable/chromium-browser
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# [12:24] <glandium> hsivonen: and iceweasel 3.5, btw
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# [12:25] <hsivonen> glandium: how do security patches for iceweasel 3.5 work these days?
# [12:25] <glandium> hsivonen: so far, i've been backporting the 3.6 patches. now that 3.6 is gone, that's going to be fun
# [12:26] <avih> glandium: good luck ;)
# [12:26] <glandium> note, i was supporting 3.0 until very recently
# [12:26] <glandium> (last month)
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# [12:26] <avih> heh (/sad)
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# [12:27] <glandium> it's less time consuming to support esr *and* release *and* beta *and* aurora than to support 3.5
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# [12:28] <avih> :)
# [12:28] <hsivonen> glandium: and no hope of Debian changing its policy for Web browsers? Since the Web out there doesn't live by Debian policy.
# [12:28] <avih> i imagine, backporting a security fix from ff13 to 3 should be interesting ;)
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# [12:29] <glandium> hsivonen: nope, and in both gecko and webkit cases, there is more than web browsers impacted
# [12:29] <glandium> if webkit and gecko were only used in web browsers, maybe there would be value in changing the policy
# [12:30] <hsivonen> I wonder how many users Iceweasel 3.5 has
# [12:30] <Unfocused> debian: more insecure than windows xp
# [12:30] <avih> glandium: who uses webkit other than chrome? kde uses its own version of it, no?
# [12:30] <glandium> hsivonen: more than iceweasel 10
# [12:30] <glandium> avih: various gnome applications
# [12:31] <avih> oh.
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# [12:31] <glandium> and some others, probaly
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# [12:31] <hsivonen> somehow Apple manages to update system WebKit
# [12:31] <johanc> I'm getting "abort: local changes found, refresh first" after a pull -u and build
# [12:31] <hsivonen> (with various hacks for apps, sure)
# [12:31] <johanc> no patches applied
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# [12:32] <hsivonen> johanc: and hg diff says nothing?
# [12:32] <edmorley> johanc: bug 739924 perhaps
# [12:32] <hsivonen> johanc: did you see the .orig thing a while ago?
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# [12:32] <avih> well, if anyone wishes to try debian with cutting edge AND quite stable AND with quick security fixes, i can strongly recommend aptosid. these guys are doing a really good job.
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# [12:33] <johanc> hsivonen: hg diff returns a few lines
# [12:34] <johanc> hsivonen: the .orig thing?
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# [12:36] <hsivonen> johanc: the .orig thing is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739924
# [12:39] <avih> on [aurora approval request], what's "String changes made by this patch"?
# [12:39] <avih> atoms?
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# [12:39] <Ms2ger> avih, no, strings that need to be localized
# [12:39] <avih> Ms2ger: oh. thx.
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# [12:47] <edmorley> these M3 oranges are annoying
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# [12:47] <glandium> has anyone tried https://wiki.mozilla.org/Buildbot/Talos#Running_locally_-_Source_Code ? My browser sits doing nothing with that setup.
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# [12:49] <Ms2ger> edmorley, sorry, can't see them through the Moth leaks
# [12:50] <mak> edmorley: the ones that never give you a log?
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# [12:53] <glandium> it looks like it doesn't use the pageloader extension
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# [12:56] <edmorley> Ms2ger: hopefully the latest fx-team merge will have reduced those slightly :-)
# [12:57] <Ms2ger> bz_sleep, I thought you went to bed :)
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# [12:57] <@bz_sleep> I should have
# [12:57] <@bz_sleep> and doing so now
# [12:57] <darktrojan> might as well not bother
# [12:57] <@bz_sleep> but I also had tons of review requests. :(
# [12:58] <darktrojan> addict
# [12:58] <Ms2ger> Sorry!
# [12:58] * @bz_sleep can still get in 5+ hours of sleep
# [12:58] <@bz_sleep> darktrojan: I can just r- them all, I guess
# [12:58] <@bz_sleep> darktrojan: any more constructive suggestions?
# [12:58] <darktrojan> none are mine, that's ok do that
# [12:58] <Ms2ger> 4AM, that's earlier than smaug when he's on this side of the world :)
# [12:59] * darktrojan thought bz was east coast
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# [12:59] <Ms2ger> Not this week
# [12:59] <darktrojan> I guess it's just the email address
# [12:59] <Metapioca> bz_sleep: please, I don't want your lack of sleep on my conscience :)
# [13:00] <Ms2ger> Metapioca, you must be new here... We all have that on our conscience :)
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# [13:01] <darktrojan> what, just bz's lack of sleep, or lack of sleep in general?
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# [13:01] <Ms2ger> Both
# [13:01] <Unfocused> quit it, you people are making me yawn
# [13:02] <Ms2ger> bz_sleep, do you have any opinion on localStorage.setItem("foo", null)?
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# [13:03] <glandium> ok, that talos works. it's just my build that broke it, because it needs the memory reporter working
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# [13:11] <Unfocused> i never even did that while i was a student
# [13:12] <Unfocused> anyway, i have far better booze at home
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# [13:13] <NeilAway> markh: maybe you need to tell it which library DumpJSObject lives in?
# [13:14] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, JSObject::dump is what I suggested, fwiw
# [13:14] <decoder> found a picture of firefox attacking^^
# [13:14] <decoder> http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/3589320_460s_v1.jpg
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# [13:15] <NeilAway> 2233 files updated? do we actually have that many files to update?
# [13:15] <darktrojan> yes
# [13:16] <darktrojan> ISTR we're >50000
# [13:16] <Ms2ger> Definitely OVER NINE THOUSAND
# [13:16] <darktrojan> hmm maybe that included all of hg's crap
# [13:17] <Optimizer> but we will never be over 9000!
# [13:18] <darktrojan> 62,074 items, totalling 430.4 MB
# [13:18] <darktrojan> that's a few
# [13:18] <glazou> the js-based pdf viewer rocks
# [13:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fb23c30e3d60 - Neil Rashbrook - Bug 737022 Re-enable debug chrome strict warnings r=jst
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# [13:22] <edmorley> decoder: awww that's cute
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# [13:25] * glazou will probably use it to add an "Import from PDF" feature to BlueGriffon :-)
# [13:25] <imphil> glazou, yeah. If you could only select text in it ...
# [13:26] <glazou> euh well I can
# [13:26] <glazou> WFM
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# [13:27] <imphil> really? you're talking about pdf.js, right?
# [13:27] <glazou> yes
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# [13:28] <glazou> I just opened a pdf
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# [13:28] <glazou> and can select text in it, no problem
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# [13:28] <glazou> copy/paste works of course well
# [13:28] <glazou> it's just a reconstructed html doc after all
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# [13:30] <imphil> hm, the live demo at http://andreasgal.github.com/pdf.js/web/viewer.html cannot do text selection yet
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# [13:31] <glazou> try the more recent version of it... http://mozilla.github.com/pdf.js/web/viewer.html
# [13:31] <markh> NeilAway: and Ms2ger was right on the money :)
# [13:31] * markh is a bit slow tonight
# [13:33] <glazou> imphil: original version seemed to be canvas-based ; this one creates a DOM
# [13:34] <Optimizer> this one creates a transparent layer of text over the canvas
# [13:34] <Optimizer> so that text selection is possible
# [13:34] <Optimizer> and other stuff
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# [13:35] <imphil> glazou, ah I see, nice. it seems to load a bit slower than the older version though
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# [13:36] <imphil> since I had the same idea in my xulrunner application to replace the adobe reader plugin with pdf.js, this might now actually possible. cool
# [13:36] <darktrojan> imphil, you can't have everything :P
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# [13:36] <imphil> darktrojan, but I want! :)
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# [13:38] <johanc> hsivonen: sorry for disappearing
# [13:39] <johanc> hsivonen: I can't figure out what to do to solve it, do you know?
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# [13:51] <hsivonen> johanc: hg qnew -f bogus; hg qrefresh; hg qpop; hg qdelete bogus worked for me
# [13:51] <hsivonen> johanc: of course, it's a good idea to take a look at what the patch named bogus looks like before deleting it
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# [13:53] <hsivonen> johanc: not if you don't want to get rid of whatever it is that prevents you from qpopping/qpushing
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# [14:32] <bhearsum> is browserquest really slow for everyone right now?
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# [14:33] <Pike> bhearsum: it's been close to down earlier today
# [14:33] <bhearsum> ahhh
# [14:34] <imphil> bhearsum, yes, it went through a lot of media coverage today it seems (like a big Austrian radio station had it as web tip this morning)
# [14:34] <bhearsum> wow, cool
# [14:35] <bhearsum> i'll wait until europe goes to bed to play it, then :P
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# [14:35] <imphil> http://fm4.orf.at/stories/1696538/
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# [15:13] <firebot> enn was last seen 1 day, 16 hours, 30 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying 'don't know. that's what I'm asking' in #fx-team.
# [15:13] <froydnj> what bugzilla component does content/media fall under?
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# [15:14] <mak> edmorley: need help merging?
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# [15:15] <Ms2ger> froydnj, Core::Video/Audio
# [15:16] <edmorley> khuey|away: ping
# [15:16] <froydnj> Ms2ger: thanks
# [15:16] <Ms2ger> Np
# [15:16] <Ms2ger> edmorley, 6AM...
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# [15:17] <edmorley> Ms2ger: yeah, pre-emptive/would like him to hurry up :-)
# [15:17] <Ms2ger> What's he done?
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# [15:18] <edmorley> Ms2ger: question is what hasn't he done :-)
# [15:18] <Ms2ger> Reviews, usually
# [15:19] <edmorley> ha :-)
# [15:19] <edmorley> mak: thanks for the offer, trawling through dev.tree-management currently
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# [15:37] <jviereck> I've got a nsHTMLCanvasFrame and want to get its corresponding nsHTMLCanvasElement. But if I do a nsHTMLCanvasFrame->GetContent(), it returns nothing. Am I doing something wrong?
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# [15:38] <jviereck> where nothing := !!(canvasFrame->GetContent()) == false
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# [15:40] <Ms2ger> jviereck, I think that can happen, yes
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# [15:40] <Ms2ger> But only for privileged code?
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# [15:41] <jviereck> Ms2ger: I'm iterating over the pageFrame *just* before it gets printed to the printing device
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# [15:41] <jviereck> there is also some content in the canvas (ctx.drawRect(…))
# [15:43] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [15:43] <Ms2ger> I think privileged code can get hold of a context without an element
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# [15:47] <jviereck> Ms2ger: but in my case, I see the red rectangle, so there should be a canvas element. Can the content of the frame then still be null?
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# [15:48] <Ms2ger> No idea
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# [15:51] <jviereck> is "nsHTMLCanvasFrame *canvasFrame = do_QueryFrame(child);" and later on "if (canvasFrame) {…}" the proper way to check/get the canvas frame, where child is of type nsIFrame*?
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# [15:56] <Ms2ger> I think so
# [15:56] <paul> can someone help me to understand why this page is not working: http://browserquest.mozilla.org/cors.html ?
# [15:57] <paul> getImageData() on an image that comes from a different domain, but with the right HTTP header
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# [15:57] <glandium> paul: speaking of browserquest, bz has the same problem as I do: clicking doesn't do anything
# [15:57] <glandium> paul: and he tested with several browsers, on osx
# [15:58] <glandium> all with the same result
# [15:58] <Ms2ger> paul, don't you need a crossorigin attribute?
# [15:58] <paul> Ms2ger: oh
# [15:58] <paul> glandium: yeah, I don't really have time to figure out what's going on
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# [15:59] <paul> Ms2ger: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CORS_Enabled_Image
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# [15:59] <Ms2ger> Yes
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# [16:02] <paul> glandium: we actually only heard this from you
# [16:02] <paul> glandium: not sure what's going on
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# [16:05] <glandium> paul: fwiw, bz tried with chrome, ff10, ff11 and nightly. none worked.
# [16:05] <glandium> he was on osx 10.6
# [16:05] <glandium> i only tried ff on linux
# [16:05] <paul> weird
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# [16:05] <paul> any exception?
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# [16:06] <glandium> paul: nothing in the error console
# [16:06] <glandium> and i can't even connect, atm
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# [16:07] <paul> glandium: yeah, we have thousands of people trying to connect at the same time. We are working on that right now
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# [16:20] <@khuey> edmorley: hi
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# [16:27] <hsivonen> is there a way to tell Linux to keep the objdir and ccache dir in RAM cache and not flush to disk until after the build?
# [16:27] <jhammel> RAMdisk solves the first part but not the second :/
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# [16:27] <hsivonen> i.e. a way to indicate that I prefer speed over power failure data integrity for some directories
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# [16:28] <hsivonen> jhammel: with a RAM disk, would I have to explicitly manage storing to disk upon shutdown?
# [16:28] <hsivonen> maybe that wouldn't matter much if I got hibernation working
# [16:28] <hsivonen> so I'd shut down less
# [16:28] <jhammel> hsivonen: its been so long since i used one i can't recall, but yes, i believe so
# [16:29] <hsivonen> jhammel: ok
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# [16:29] <jhammel> hibernation on linux? hahaha
# [16:29] <hsivonen> jhammel: it has worked on this hardware in the past!
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# [16:29] <jhammel> heh
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# [16:29] <hsivonen> a new Ubuntu release is like lottery
# [16:29] <jhammel> i'm in the same boat with one of my laptops
# [16:30] <jhammel> actually, hibernation works...but for some reason i have to run gnome3
# [16:30] <edmorley> !seen longsonr
# [16:30] <firebot> longsonr was last seen 30 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours and 7 seconds ago, saying 'hi I'm trying to install Firefox 6 on an Asus running Android. It just goes to waiting to install and gets stuck. Other (smaller) apps do install. Any ideas?' in #developers.
# [16:30] <glandium> hsivonen: if you have enough memory and don't do much on the side, linux won't flush cache until it really needs it
# [16:31] <glandium> hsivonen: note that hibernation does flush caches
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# [16:31] <hsivonen> glandium: oh ok. are the caches per-file these days?
# [16:31] <glandium> hsivonen: per block
# [16:31] <glandium> per page, even
# [16:31] <hsivonen> glandium: or does e.g. sqlite in some process still flush everything?
# [16:31] <hsivonen> glandium: ok
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# [16:32] <glandium> hsivonen: ah, i didn't understand your question like that
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# [16:32] <glandium> hsivonen: so yeah, there are operations that do still trigger a full cache flush-to-disk
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# [16:33] <glandium> hsivonen: what you want is to use a separate filesystem for your objdir and ccache dir
# [16:33] <edmorley> the win64 builds are so messed up :-/
# [16:33] <glandium> so that fsyncs on other filesystems don't flush everything
# [16:33] <hsivonen> glandium: ok
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# [16:40] <NeilAway> edmorley: my win64 build was ok 5 days ago
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# [16:41] <edmorley> NeilAway: I mean more that the rate of things like https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Fx-Team&onlyunstarred=1&rev=5e087503286f seems to be increasing
# [16:41] <edmorley> s/rate/occurence/ ; s/increasing/rising/
# [16:41] <nemo> So. Just curious. How many people are trying to access "BrowserQuest"
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# [16:42] <nemo> since, of the few people I've asked, none of them have successfully connected to it in the past couple of days
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# [16:42] <edmorley> NeilAway: make[8]: *** No rule to make target `nsComposeTxtSrvFilter.obj', needed by `composer.lib.desc'. Stop.
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# [16:43] <NeilAway> edmorley: weird, why does that not happen on win32?
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# [16:45] <edmorley> NeilAway: editor + win64 slaves, what can go wrong... :-)
# [16:46] <edmorley> (bah, Ms2ger isn't even here for the editor jibe)
# [16:48] <NeilAway> edmorley: don't worry, he reads logs
# [16:48] <NeilAway> Ms2ger += log(0);
# [16:48] <@khuey> edmorley: merged
# [16:49] <edmorley> yeah you can still wind him up when he's not here, most satisfying :-)
# [16:49] <edmorley> khuey: cool thanks
# [16:49] <edmorley> khuey: happy to mark for you
# [16:49] <edmorley> ooooh new tbpl "...82 changesets omitted..." annotation
# [16:49] <@khuey> edmorley: heh, I saw that too
# [16:49] <@khuey> edmorley: marking is definitely appreciated
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# [16:53] <edmorley> np
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# [16:58] <mak> that omitted thing looks annoying for merges... if at least would be expandable
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# [16:58] <mak> like, click to show on demand
# [16:59] <mak> or allow to expand/collapse the whole merge
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# [17:00] <hsivonen> glandium: does the advice of splitting ccache and objdir to different file systems apply even if the main file system is btrfs?
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# [17:01] <glandium> hsivonen: no, but there I would suggest to use another filesystem, because btrfs is slow
# [17:01] <glandium> and that's an understatement
# [17:01] <hsivonen> glandium: oh. ok. I thought btrfs was supposed to be great
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# [17:01] <jtcranmer> zfs :-P
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# [17:01] <hsivonen> glandium: thanks
# [17:02] <nemo> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_33_btrfs&num=2
# [17:02] <glandium> jtcranmer: zfs is not so much better. the problem with these file systems is that they have fragmentation as a feature
# [17:03] <glandium> hsivonen: though, if you have a good ssd, that shouldn't matter
# [17:03] <hsivonen> glandium: the idea is to use an SSD
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# [17:04] <hsivonen> my current SSD is too small
# [17:04] <hsivonen> I'm going to buy another one
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# [17:04] <hsivonen> so I'll be rethinking my file systems anyway and all of them will be on SSDs
# [17:04] <hsivonen> either the old one or the new one
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# [17:09] <jviereck> I get this compile error: "error: no member named 'CreateSimilarSurface' in 'already_AddRefed<gfxASurface>'", but if I look up gfxASurface here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/thebes/gfxASurface.h#173, there is a `CreateSimilarSurface` function defined public
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# [17:10] <NeilAway> dao++
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# [17:11] <NeilAway> jviereck: yeah, you're trying to leak. don't do that.
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# [17:12] <jviereck> NeilAway: sorry :( What do I have to change to get the line above working?
# [17:13] <NeilAway> jviereck: instead, do nsRefPtr<gfxASurface> foo = get_the_surface(); foo->CreateSimilarSurface(...)
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# [17:14] <Ms2ger> edmorley, :)
# [17:14] <edmorley> mak: I just use the mercurial hgweb pushlog view normally anyway
# [17:14] <edmorley> for marking that is
# [17:15] <@smaug> hsivonen: ping
# [17:15] <@smaug> hsivonen: again, which patches are the most important ones...
# [17:16] <@smaug> I wish bugzilla would let patch authors to indicate important patches
# [17:16] <@smaug> or some priority list
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# [17:17] <glob> smaug, i don't think that happens enough to warrant more UI.. just a comment should work
# [17:17] <froydnj> people would just abuse that
# [17:17] <@smaug> glob: probably
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# [17:17] <@smaug> glob: people don't review enough ;)
# [17:17] <glob> smaug, indeed!
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# [17:18] <@smaug> Ms2ger: do you know how long AryehGregor will be away?
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# [17:18] <Ms2ger> !seen AryehGregor
# [17:18] <firebot> aryehgregor was last seen 2 days, 22 hours, 47 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying 'Bye.' in #developers.
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# [17:18] <@smaug> Ms2ger: IIRC you said he is moving or something
# [17:19] <Ms2ger> I probably won't be on IRC for a couple of days, nor doing much work.
# [17:19] <glob> http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=mozilla%23developers&s=25+Mar+12&e=25+Mar+12&h=%3Caryehgregor%3E#c147200
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# [17:19] <@smaug> ok, thanks
# [17:19] <Ms2ger> glob, Krijn's was faster :)
# [17:20] <glob> Ms2ger, :D
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# [17:23] <@smaug> uh, horrible coffee... tastes like the tap water in US
# [17:24] <@smaug> (but all I care is caffeine )
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# [17:24] <@khuey> smaug: there are a couple coffee places right outside the hotel
# [17:24] <@khuey> where you can get real coffee
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# [17:28] <@smaug> ttaubert: cloneable event o_O
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# [17:29] <@smaug> that is a little bit overkill
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# [17:32] <glandium> khuey|away: is it even possible to find real coffee in the US?
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# [17:34] <NeilAway> glandium: well, could be worse, you could be trying to find real tea, or real cheese
# [17:35] <glandium> NeilAway: or real food
# [17:36] <jhammel> glandium: yes, SF has quite good coffee if you know where to go
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# [17:38] <jhammel> Philz is good; Blue bottle, four barrels also good
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# [17:39] <davehunt> I'm pretty sure I like coffee that others would spit out though :)
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# [17:42] <NeilAway> glandium: sadly I can subsist on McDs
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# [17:55] <Optimizer> shorlander: how do you make these awesome mockups ?
# [17:55] <Optimizer> shorlander: I mean Firefox does not even look as cool as in these mockups right now
# [17:55] <Optimizer> https://wiki.mozilla.org/File:PanelMenu-i01-DragToolbar.jpg
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# [17:56] <shorlander> Optimizer: lot's of photoshop and caffeine ;)
# [17:56] <Optimizer> hell lot of photoshop
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# [17:57] <Optimizer> but the mockup shown can't be acheive soon :( . dependecies : Australis , redesign of customization procedure, window in xul frame
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# [17:59] <humph> can someone give me a hand, I have a failed windows try build I need restarted - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=6d9b615a9a19
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# [18:00] <philor> humph: a hand remembering where the blue + is, or your LDAP password has expired?
# [18:00] <humph> so I have never known my ldap info
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# [18:00] <humph> afaict I never had it
# [18:00] <philor> ah
# [18:00] <humph> just ssh keys
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# [18:00] <philor> retriggered
# [18:00] <humph> bless you
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# [18:06] <philor> somebody who understands the mechanics of the reftest harness: ping
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# [18:09] <@smaug> hsivonen: could you please add some more comments to the copy-paste bugs
# [18:09] <@smaug> hsivonen: the patches are very tricky to review
# [18:09] <@smaug> (and all that code is regression risky )
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# [18:10] <@khuey> glandium: ha
# [18:10] <Ms2ger> froydnj++
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# [18:13] <@ehsan> jfkthame: do you have any ideas about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=731594?
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# [18:14] <@ehsan> lol
# [18:14] <@ehsan> smontagu: ^
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# [18:17] <Ms2ger> Two guys next to each other: wdyt about moving stuff like nsIUGenCategory::nsUGenCategory / nsContentUtils::IsFirstLetterPunctuation into mozilla::unicode?
# [18:17] <@smaug> would anyone object if I added virtual nsIDOMNode* AsDOMNode() to nsINode
# [18:18] <Ms2ger> I would prefer if it wasn't virtual :)
# [18:18] <@khuey> the vtable is big enough :-P
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# [18:18] <Ms2ger> Other than that, YES YES YES
# [18:18] <@smaug> hmm, non-virtual....I wonder how.
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# [18:19] <@khuey> not easily
# [18:19] <@khuey> you'd have to switch on the node type
# [18:20] <@smaug> I just want to reduce extra addref/releases
# [18:20] <@khuey> I think
# [18:20] <Ms2ger> Well, QI or add a pointer
# [18:20] <@smaug> so, virtual it will be
# [18:20] <@khuey> well the point is not to QI
# [18:20] <@khuey> presumably
# [18:20] <@smaug> yeah!
# [18:20] <@smaug> no QI
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# [18:21] <Ms2ger> Or yes, switch on nodetype / cast to concrete / upcast to nsIDOMNode
# [18:21] <firebot> jesse was last seen 13 hours, 40 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying 'she continued playing the lottery after winning a million dollars?' in #foxymonkies.
# [18:22] <@smaug> Ms2ger: that might work
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# [18:24] <@khuey> I don't think it will
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# [18:24] <@khuey> you'd have to cast all the way up to nsGenericHTMLElement, no?
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# [18:24] <@khuey> or even higher
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# [18:26] <Ms2ger> khuey, doesn't nsGenericElement inherit nsIDOMNode? Or does that return the wrong nsIDOMNode pointer?
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# [18:28] <@smaug> Ms2ger: no
# [18:28] <@smaug> it does not inherit nsIDOMNode
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# [18:28] <Ms2ger> Oh, bah
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# [18:30] <@smaug> Ms2ger: hey, what is the status with Attr nodes?
# [18:30] <Ms2ger> I've got a patch in someone's queue to make them not have children
# [18:30] <Ms2ger> Sicking, probably
# [18:31] <jhammel> you've sterilized Attr? ;)
# [18:31] <Ms2ger> I'm trying to
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# [18:37] <froydnj> oof, updating yarr is a huge job
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# [18:42] <avih> hsivonen: fwiw, on windows, which is notoriously slow to build, i tried using ramdist for the entire src+obj dirs, and got not more han 1% speedup over a slow HDD for all (with pymake -j4)
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# [18:43] <mak> edmorley: any reason m-c was not merged to m-i? waiting for all tests on m-c?
# [18:43] <dougt> mrbkap: ping?
# [18:43] <edmorley> mak: just by omission, I'll do it now :-)
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# [18:44] <mak> ah ok
# [18:44] <mak> thx
# [18:44] <mrbkap> dougt: pong
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# [18:44] <dougt> mrbkap: bonjour
# [18:44] <dougt> :)
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# [18:45] <dougt> mrbkap: dom/wifi stuff. can that replace the scanning code in netwerk/wifi/?
# [18:45] <smontagu> so is everyone just ignoring read B2g and Nb2g on aurora?
# [18:45] <smontagu> s/read/red/
# [18:45] <dougt> mrbkap: we use it only in NetworkGeolocationProvider and it would be nice to remove netwerk/wifi if at all possible
# [18:45] <Ms2ger> Sure
# [18:45] <philor> smontagu: I'm supposed to be hiding them, but I haven't gotten close to getting to aurora yet this morning
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# [18:46] <mrbkap> dougt: probably not, but I haven't looked.
# [18:46] <smontagu> so that we can ignore them without the prick of a guilty conscience? ;-)
# [18:46] <dougt> mrbkap: could you let me know at some point?
# [18:46] <mrbkap> dougt: I think there are two entirely separate interfaces being implemented there.
# [18:46] <mrbkap> dougt: Yeah.
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# [18:46] <dougt> mrbkap: yeah, all the geo provider needs is an array of the APs it sees with macs and signal strs.
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# [18:47] <philor> smontagu: only until jhford stops running them, then you won't even be ignoring them
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# [18:49] <philor> k, it's clean and clear
# [18:49] <philor> and thanks for caring about it
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# [18:51] <ttaubert> smaug: that's what Honza suggested, but I agree, so I'll just revert it to the previous version?
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# [18:54] <@smaug> ttaubert: yes please
# [18:54] <@smaug> ttaubert: I don't expect there to be need for event cloning in general
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# [18:56] <ttaubert> smaug: ok, well, at least I learned smth :)
# [18:56] <@smaug> ttaubert: sorry :)
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# [18:56] <@smaug> ttaubert: btw, all the nsIDOM* interfaces are visible in the web pages
# [18:56] <@smaug> even if they are just for internal things
# [18:57] <ttaubert> smaug: ah, ok, good to know
# [18:57] <@smaug> it is not a huge problem, but we shouldn't pollute global ...
# [18:57] <ttaubert> true
# [18:57] <@smaug> nsIDOMFoo makes ("Foo" in window) to be true
# [18:58] <@smaug> no Ms2ger
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# [18:58] <@smaug> he could make nsIDOMNode builtin
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# [19:05] <froydnj> bjacob: I assume that https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=607571 is superseded by https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=607626 ?
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# [19:08] <nemo> Optimizer: what client are you using?
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# [19:09] <romaxa> glandium: ping
# [19:09] <Optimizer> mibbit online chat
# [19:09] <glandium> romaxa: pong
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# [19:09] <jdm> Optimizer: usually with /away reason for being away
# [19:09] <romaxa> glandium: have you seen problems with -lz security nss linking in cross compile configuration?
# [19:10] <glandium> romaxa: can you be more specific?
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# [19:10] <romaxa> glandium: I always see link -lz, cannot find -lz bla bla
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# [19:12] <bjacob> froydnj: it would be easier for me to make sure with bug numbers, not attachment numbers, but yes
# [19:12] <romaxa> glandium: when I compile with cross rootfs target and zlib is not available in /usr/lib, if I add -L/path/to/rootfs/usr/lib -lz, then it works
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# [19:12] <bjacob> froydnj: Joe's patch in "move CheckedInt to mozilla" is superseded by the patch in "move checkedint to MFBT"
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# [19:12] <romaxa> glandium: it is about this line: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/security/coreconf/Linux.mk#184
# [19:13] <joe> bjacob: hopefully we can supercede that with "move CheckedInt to the compiler" and then supercede that with "move the compiler to the cpu"
# [19:13] <froydnj> bjacob: ok, thanks. so bug 685775 is essentially a dup at this point?
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# [19:14] <froydnj> move all the things to the gpu!
# [19:14] <@smaug> nsStyledElementNotElementCSSInlineStyle o_O
# [19:14] <glandium> romaxa: then you need one of the flags override from security/manager/Makefile.in
# [19:14] <bjacob> froydnj: it has become a dupe, yes
# [19:14] <glandium> romaxa: or are you compiling nss separately?
# [19:14] <bjacob> joe: hehe
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# [19:15] <Ms2ger> mrbkap, yt?
# [19:17] <romaxa> glandium: no, together, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1540871 - here is my cross mozconfig
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# [19:18] <glandium> romaxa: you need to change stuff in security/manager/Makefile.in
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# [19:19] <jdm> arrgh, I am the worst at bisecting regressions
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# [19:19] <jdm> yesterday a java-only change was supposedly the cause, today it's a typedef removal
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# [19:19] <romaxa> glandium: my first attempt to fix that was http://hg.mozilla.org/users/romaxa_gmail.com/embedipc_queue/file/d642e130994c/more_links_fixes_nss.diff
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# [19:20] <romaxa> glandium: but I guess CROSS_LIB_DIR should be defined in some more nice way
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# [19:21] <glandium> romaxa: look what android does in security/manager/Makefile.in
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# [19:23] <edmorley> mak: forgot to hit enter on the push of the merge then, now abort: push creates new remote head 76024a05af98 :-(
# [19:23] <edmorley> strip time
# [19:23] <biesi> twss
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# [19:24] <Ms2ger> That's my line
# [19:24] <mak> edmorley: just remerge?
# [19:24] <jhammel> Ms2ger: twss
# [19:24] <edmorley> mak: yeah messy, though simpler
# [19:24] <Ms2ger> jhammel, yw
# [19:25] <hashken123> Has the one tab one process concept been implemented in Firefox 11.0
# [19:25] <@bsmedberg> no
# [19:25] <Ms2ger> No
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# [19:26] <jdm> hashken123: and it won't be for the foreseeable future
# [19:26] <hashken123> I want to contribute on this aspect.
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# [19:27] <hashken123> Is there any particular reason for this( may be because of a fundamental aspect of firefox architecture)?
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# [19:28] <gaston> hashken123: http://lawrencemandel.com/2011/11/15/update-on-multi-process-firefox-electrolysis-development/
# [19:28] <romaxa> glandium: which part of that android stub fixing zlib linkage? I see http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/88665558c3e0, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/51c305f11c13,
# [19:30] <glandium> romaxa: DSO_LDOPTS
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# [19:31] <gaston> hashken123: and all the wiki pages under https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis
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# [19:31] <gaston> (for the history)
# [19:32] <gcp_> XUL Fennec currently uses it, though.
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# [19:33] <gcp_> the infrastructure is there and can be used if the benefits outweight the disadvantages at some point.
# [19:33] <gaston> but xul fennec targets the attic with native ui, no ?
# [19:33] <gcp_> eventually, yes.
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# [19:37] <jdm> b2g will be using e10s
# [19:37] <jdm> not sure if they are at this moment
# [19:37] <jhammel> i *think* they are
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# [19:37] <fabrice> jdm: jhammel: we'er not using it yet
# [19:37] <fabrice> we're
# [19:37] <jhammel> orly...interesting
# [19:38] <fabrice> but we will
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# [19:44] <WeirdAl> Unfocused: ping re bug 736542 - aurora landing?
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# [19:56] <avih> jwir3: w00t! :)
# [19:57] <romaxa> glandium: ok, sounds like I just need to export WRAP_LDFLAGS to some value in order to trigger WRAP_LDFLAGS ifdef
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# [19:58] <jwir3> avih: Indeed. I second the w00t
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# [19:58] <jwir3> avih: You know, one other thing I forgot to tell you yesterday that's kind of important is that you want to make sure all patches compile independently, if they are separate
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# [19:59] <avih> jwir3: hmm..
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# [19:59] <jwir3> avih: So, for example, if you have 3 parts, then part1 should at least compile even if parts 2 and 3 aren't added. I don't know if yours did or not,but just for the future.
# [19:59] <avih> well.. my 1st and 2nd ones should
# [19:59] <avih> 3rd too probably
# [19:59] <avih> but not tested
# [20:00] <jwir3> avih: yeah, probably it was fine, I just wanted to let you know. it's fine now, I didn't test it either, but just to let you know in the future
# [20:00] <avih> jwir3: oh, that way, they do. 1/1+2/1+2+3 all compile
# [20:00] <jaws> yeah, it helps when trying to bisect changes
# [20:00] <jwir3> yep
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# [20:00] <avih> i thought u meant that e.g. part 3 should compile on its own
# [20:00] <hvq> hi, is there any way to check if a tab in firefox is busy? I looked up this page but it seems the page has been deleted https://developer.mozilla.org/Article_not_found?uri=en/XUL/Attribute/busy
# [20:00] <hvq> and tab.busy is undefined...
# [20:01] <hvq> but it seems the event attribute changed is still fired when busy status's changed
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# [20:02] <jaws> hvq: i'm not sure if this will help, but this line checks for an attribute named "busy": http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser.js#7833
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# [20:03] <avih> btw, did u guys know that about:config filter field supports regexp? :)
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# [20:03] <jaws> nope, i learned something new today :)
# [20:03] <mbrubeck> avih: That's awesome. I always try to search for multiple terms with a space and it doesn't work
# [20:04] <avih> i was about to look at the code to, maybe add multi-filter support, but the source said it does regexp, so i tried, and it does! :P
# [20:04] <avih> mbrubeck: yeah, intended to use space as a delim, or maybe | or ||
# [20:04] <avih> not required though :P
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# [20:06] <hvq> jaws: oopx, it seems tat doesnt work, thanx anyway
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# [20:07] <avih> jwir3: re parts should compile incrementally, generic note taken ;)
# [20:08] <jwir3> avih: cool.
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# [20:40] <@smaug> remote: /repo/hg/scripts/purgeurl: line 7: /tmp/pushlog_purge.5724: Permission denied
# [20:41] <@smaug> I wonder why I got that when pushing to try
# [20:41] <@smaug> the push was successful
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# [20:44] <NeilAway> edmorley: can't you just hg rollback the merge, then rebase?
# [20:44] <bhearsum> smaug: that's been filed
# [20:44] <NeilAway> edmorley: or pull and remerge, I guess
# [20:44] <bhearsum> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739940
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# [20:46] <Ameya> what is DEFINES = -DBIN_SUFFIX=$(BIN_SUFFIX) in make file??
# [20:47] <tchevalier> gavin: ping
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# [20:47] <Ameya> NeilAway: any idea?
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# [20:49] <NeilAway> avih: yes I did, but it does help that I reviewed the patch that implemented it ;-)
# [20:49] <NeilAway> avih: it was implemented back in Gecko 1.9
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# [20:50] <NeilAway> Ameya: defines are used when preprocessing to substitute values in
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# [20:51] <avih> NeilAway: cool :) i wanted it to search multiple filters, tried few delimitersm didn't work, so i went to teh source to try and add it, but saw it was in already :P
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# [20:51] <NeilAway> Ameya: in this case the makefile has a Makefile variable which it wants used as a preprocessing variable too
# [20:51] <avih> nice touch :)
# [20:52] <NeilAway> Ameya: typically the configure script can opt to define a particular value as a Makefile variable and/or a preprocessor variable
# [20:53] <Ameya> Ok..
# [20:53] <NeilAway> Ameya: it slows down the build to have too many preprocessor variables so when they are only needed once or twice the makefile adds them manually
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# [21:02] <gavin> tchevalier: pong
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# [21:02] <tchevalier> gavin: Hi, just to notify you that the patch is working :)
# [21:02] <gavin> cool
# [21:02] <gavin> yeah I was just building locally to test it out
# [21:02] <tchevalier> :)
# [21:03] <jdm> Ameya: by the way, I saw your email, but I have an assignment due and a final exam tomorrow so I'm holding off on replying
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# [21:04] <Ameya> jdm: Ok no problem...Reply as per your convenience
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# [21:07] <KaiRo> from a webmaster@m.o email: "It was stongly recommended that I update to the new mozilla homepage and now I cannot find my bookmarks." - yes, people think of their browser (or its UI) as "the homepage"
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# [21:09] <gavin> meh, terminology
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# [21:11] <cpeterson> "new mozilla homepage" might refer to the new "speed dial" page.
# [21:11] <gcp_> more evidence how we constantly break our users workflow
# [21:11] <gcp_> :P
# [21:11] <jhammel> well they were probably just keeping their bookmarks on wiki.m.o
# [21:12] <jhammel> and now they switched to MDN and they're not there
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# [21:12] <KaiRo> cpeterson: actually, he means the new UI where the bookmarks bar is hidden by default
# [21:12] <gavin> the speed dial page hasn't been released
# [21:12] <gavin> so that seems unlikely
# [21:12] <KaiRo> cpeterson: at least that's what the rest of the message points to
# [21:13] <cpeterson> oh
# [21:13] <gavin> we're talking "real users" here :)
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# [21:13] <KaiRo> another one: "Firefox is not loading addons at this destination, Iowa City, Iowa, USA." - I guess the Internet tubes for addons haven't reached Iowa yet
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# [21:13] <jhammel> its Iowa
# [21:14] <jhammel> resolved: IOWA
# [21:14] <KaiRo> hehe
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# [21:15] <KaiRo> well, actually, I don't want to make fun of our users at all, just like to point out every now and then what kind of views those people have on our software
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# [21:16] <gcp_> I'm sure moving the UI around every 6 weeks hurts a lot of people.
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# [21:17] <KaiRo> gcp_: nah, we're not moving UI around every 6 weeks - the change from 3.6 to 4+ still hurts them, though
# [21:17] <gcp_> interesting point. I often wonder if it's less problematic to have small changes every 6 weeks or have 1 big change every year.
# [21:18] * KaiRo finds it resfreshing to reach those statements and keep an eye of what the real issues are out there - even though we have a volunteer who responds to every email there
# [21:18] <ddahl> nice error in nsDOMClassInfo: "Hmm, somebody did something evil?"
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# [21:18] <KaiRo> gcp_: from what I'm reading there, small changes every 6 weeks are less of a problem, I read no comment at all about the vanishing forward button, but tons about not finding the bookmarks bar
# [21:18] <Optimizer> but now when I look back at 4- , all the glossy , curves, it looks so ugly
# [21:19] <@khuey> ddahl: it was probably you
# [21:19] <ddahl> khuey: no, i offended in other ways, that assertion is near mine
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# [21:20] <@khuey> also if you're on an old tree, 733606
# [21:20] <cpeterson> one big UI change is probably what keeps late-adopters on older versions of Firefox. With many small UI changes, they just grumble and adapt. :)
# [21:20] <ddahl> khuey: i just pull --updated
# [21:20] <glandium> KaiRo: we *are* moving UI around every 6 weeks. and it's even insiduous, compared to the 3.6 to 4 jump, because it's little pieces by little pieces
# [21:20] <ddahl> khuey: I am seeing: NS_ASSERTION(nsCRT::strcmp(CutPrefix(name), mData->mName) == 0,
# [21:20] <ddahl> "Class name and proto chain interface name mismatch!");
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# [21:21] <KaiRo> Optimizer: sure, but for people who are used to this, some of the changes in 4+ look offending (and even for me the first thing I change from the default is to turn on the bookmarks bar - though on Linux I immediately go and turn off the menu bar as well as tabs on top look strange with the menu bar active)
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# [21:21] <@khuey> ddahl: mmm
# [21:21] <gcp_> cpeterson: the way you state it isn't not a happy evolution either way
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# [21:21] <glandium> KaiRo: fwiw, i don't like the vanishing forward button, because it makes the ui vary
# [21:21] <@smaug> ddahl: you passed something wrong to some macro?
# [21:21] <@khuey> ddahl: the name of the object exposed to the DOM needs to match the interface
# [21:22] <glandium> especially with the transition
# [21:22] <@khuey> e.g. you can't have a 'Foo' implemented as nsIDOMBar
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# [21:22] <cpeterson> gcp, yeah. I'm not sure what the alternative is. Make all UI changes opt-in prefs? :\
# [21:22] <KaiRo> glandium: hmm, I don't have a problem with that
# [21:23] <ddahl> smaug: khuey: so you cannot use nsIDOMCryptoLegacy being what implements Crypto ?
# [21:23] <gcp_> cpeterson: I don't claim to have a solution. :)
# [21:23] <glandium> KaiRo: i don't have the problem anymore, i made my forward button permanent
# [21:23] <KaiRo> cpeterson: no that's also not it - we should have some good guides on how you can customize things where we offer "the old solution" or something similar still
# [21:24] <gcp_> It would be nice if UX were completely independant of the backend. So you could actually pick the UI you like. And not fall behind on web standards.
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# [21:24] <ddahl> smaug: we are doing this in the patch: #ifndef MOZ_DISABLE_DOMCRYPTOLEGACY
# [21:24] <ddahl> DOM_CLASSINFO_MAP_BEGIN(Crypto, nsIDOMCryptoLegacy)
# [21:24] <glandium> KaiRo: we should have a big toggle somewhere in the prefs that just changes everything to look more like what it was in 3.6
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# [21:24] <KaiRo> that's why I said when we offer 12 to 3.6 users as "minor update", we need to go a doc along with it that states how you can customize things back to be very similar to 3.6
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# [21:24] <gcp_> Right now we sometimes make UX changes in the bigger plan, that don't come together until a few more versions of tweaking.
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# [21:25] <KaiRo> glandium: no big toogle, I don't expect that people want *everything* the same
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# [21:25] <glandium> KaiRo: users don't read docs.
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# [21:25] <KaiRo> glandium: we need to point them to those prominently
# [21:26] <jhammel> and the things i care about accessing via the toolbar (e.g. mass password reset)
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# [21:26] <KaiRo> hmm, well, no traumas for me, I only switched my browsing to Nightly somewhere during rapid release, and now I find SeaMonkey cumbersome, with the reload and stop buttons in front of the url bar and such stuff
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# [21:27] <cpeterson> People on the interwebs are already complaining that the Australis UI redesign is copycatting Chrome.
# [21:28] <jhammel> since Chrome *never* copied Firefox ;)
# [21:28] <KaiRo> sure, people always complain that we are copying Chrome, not realizing that >80% of Chrome has been copying off us or our ideas
# [21:28] <gcp_> by the time we get it implemented chrome will look different, perhaps
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# [21:29] <jhammel> i think mostly design geeks care about which software copied which
# [21:29] <jhammel> most actual users i know pretty much just care if they can figure out and use it easily (and distant third, is it pretty?)
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# [21:30] <gcp_> they must care about other things too, or we'd never have gotten any market penetration
# [21:31] <jhammel> well, as far as UX/UI goes
# [21:31] <jhammel> obviously "what the software actually does" and "is it slow"
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# [21:34] <Ameya> difference in SDK_XPIDLSRCS & XPIDLSRCS ??
# [21:34] <Ameya> in makefile
# [21:34] <KaiRo> gcp_: oh, we have been pretty for that time, just that by some strange social law, any UI design older than a year or two is considered ugly
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# [21:36] <KaiRo> and on Windows, anything not fitting overall OS design and different from everything else seen so far is considered "pretty"
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# [21:36] <jhammel> and mac? ;)
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# [21:36] <KaiRo> jhammel: mac and Linux don't really count when it comes to any stats
# [21:36] <avih> glandium, gcp_: i think we should know in advance which UI changes will hurt unsuspecting users, and instead making it opt in/out, make it a wizard which offers them to try the new UI for 2 days, and then it'll ask them if they want to keep it or not.
# [21:37] <KaiRo> and Mac is special design-wise, as anything different than OS style is taboo, except if it comes from Apple, when it is called "pretty" instead
# [21:37] <KaiRo> or "the future"
# [21:37] <jhammel> heh
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# [21:37] <avih> :)
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# [21:38] <jhammel> and linux, as always, has no style....so it doesn't &*^&* matter
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# [21:38] <espindola> azakai: patch for you
# [21:39] <avih> seriously, why not display a big wizard when a version with big UI changes arrive, making it clear whet's new, and asking them to try it? many will get used to something after 2 days, especially if it's their choice to keep it, but no one likes changes shoved down their throats
# [21:40] <jhammel> sounds good to me
# [21:40] <jhammel> and ask "what did you like? what did you dislike? (and optionally why)"
# [21:40] <gcp_> I think we have the policy of shoving it down users throats whether they like it or not.
# [21:40] <jhammel> getting opinions on why people disliked things is usually pretty easy
# [21:40] <avih> jhammel: that's for advanced users ;)
# [21:40] <gcp_> jmaher: :)
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# [21:41] <gcp_> that shouldn't been jhammel
# [21:41] <gcp_> should've
# [21:41] <gcp_> sigh
# [21:41] <avih> just "yes, i want to keep this | no, bring me my old browser back!" thingy
# [21:41] <avih> but they should "agree" to the 2 days trial.
# [21:42] <jmaher> heh
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# [21:43] <glandium> jhammel, avih: that sounds more like something we should have on some test groups (aurora or beta) rather than release
# [21:43] <avih> glandium: the wizard thing?
# [21:43] <glandium> avih: yeah
# [21:43] <jhammel> glandium: wfm
# [21:44] <avih> glandium: how would that help the masses? users on auror/beta are way more advanced than release users imo
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# [21:44] <glandium> avih: well, if we go that way, obviously, we need to grow the beta/aurora population to have more lusers
# [21:44] <avih> glandium: or do you mean to test how they react to the UI change?
# [21:44] <glandium> which we should do anyways
# [21:45] <avih> exactly
# [21:45] <gcp_> I think right now it might be hard to differentiate between "many users don't like this" and "a group of users is calling us idiots in bugzilla"
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# [21:45] <gcp_> mostly because both have the same symptons
# [21:45] <jhammel> heh, i think that's pretty easy ;)
# [21:45] <avih> my approach is to let release users feel "in control": "here's what's new, we think you'd like it and appreciate if you could use it for 2 days. we will then ask you if you want to keep it or not, ok?"
# [21:46] <jhammel> sanity check 1: are people being rational or just yelling?
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# [21:46] <gcp_> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376997
# [21:46] <gcp_> this is my personal favorite on this issue
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# [21:53] <glandium> gcp_: do people realize that the preference they are requesting exists, and it's called user css ?
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# [21:55] <gcp_> I hope you're kidding.
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# [21:57] <glandium> gcp_: i'm not. glazou can override the css as he wants in his embedding, and users can edit userChrome.css or userContent.css. A lot of people already apply recipes coming from the interwebs to change some ui stuff
# [21:57] <glandium> there's no reason they can't do it for that too
# [21:57] <gcp_> Feel free to suggest it as a fix in that bug.
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# [21:58] <@smaug> do we have any helper method to replace some char with another one
# [21:59] <@smaug> something like Replace(string, PRUnichar('\n'), PRUnichar(' '))
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# [21:59] <dao> glandium: by "users can" you don't mean "all users can", do you?
# [21:59] <froydnj> smaug: I think bsmedberg was just goggling at such a method the other day
# [22:00] <gcp_> they can also create custom builds with that change backed out.
# [22:00] <gcp_> Looking at the patch, for me that would be the easier way to go.
# [22:00] <@bsmedberg> smaug: yes we do
# [22:00] <gcp_> (but this tangental to my point: it's not clear, IMHO, this change improved all users so much that it was worth the obvious regressions)
# [22:00] <glandium> dao: i mean "the complaining users"
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# [22:01] <@smaug> bsmedberg: could you perhaps hint what the method is called
# [22:01] <@bsmedberg> smaug, was lookgng: nsTString::ReplaceChar
# [22:01] <@bsmedberg> note that it's on nsString, not nsAString
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# [22:01] <dao> glandium: all complaining users or just those that made it to bugzilla?
# [22:02] <@bsmedberg> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/string/public/nsTString.h#351
# [22:02] <@smaug> bah, I was looking at nsTSubstring
# [22:02] <dao> glandium: have you seen https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376997#c138 ?
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# [22:04] <Ameya> How to convert nsAutoString to nsString...?
# [22:04] <Ameya> or vis-vers
# [22:04] <biesi> Ameya, nsString is a base class of nsAutoString
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# [22:05] <Ameya> biesi: its giving error in compiling....
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# [22:05] <biesi> Ameya, what error?
# [22:05] <Ameya> biesi: I tried NS_ConvertUTF8toUTF16(fileName) & worked well....where fileName is in nsXPIDLCString
# [22:06] <Ameya> biesi: but reverse way..... NS_ConvertUTF16toUTF8(scriptUrl) does not work.... where scriptUrl is nsString...
# [22:06] <biesi> Ameya, that should work. how does it fail?
# [22:06] <Ameya> See my code line is.....
# [22:07] <biesi> Ameya, but what error do you get?
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# [22:07] <Ameya> biesi: myFile <<"PB="<<mInPrivateBrowsing<<" "<< fileName<< " "<< NS_ConvertUTF16toUTF8(scriptUrl) << lineNo << endl;
# [22:07] <Ameya> putting data in file
# [22:07] <biesi> you'll either have to implement an operator<< or add .get()
# [22:08] <biesi> i.e. this should work:
# [22:08] <biesi> myFile <<"PB="<<mInPrivateBrowsing<<" "<< fileName<< " "<< NS_ConvertUTF16toUTF8(scriptUrl).get() << lineNo << endl;
# [22:08] <Ameya> Error was..binary '<<' : no operator found which takes a right-hand operand of type 'NS_ConvertUTF16toUTF8' (or there is no acceptable conversion)
# [22:09] <Ameya> Ok let me check with .get()
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# [22:09] <avih> dao: last dependency of bug 206438 has landed on m-c. i asked approval for aurora, who should promote it (if at all)?
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# [22:12] <gcp_> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/old-default-image-style/reviews/?page=1
# [22:12] <dao> avih: just add checkin-needed once it's approved
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# [22:13] <avih> dao: should i ask anyone to look at it? or is the request at the bug enough?
# [22:13] <dao> avih: look at what?
# [22:13] <avih> the approval request for aurora
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# [22:16] <dao> avih: release drivers triage approval requests
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# [22:17] <avih> dao: ok.
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# [22:17] <gcp_> there's an interesting point there about about:logo being broken :P
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# [22:24] <lduros> hi, where can I find the code that injects the content inside <noscript> when javascript is found to be turned off?
# [22:24] <lduros> I'm curious to see what it looks like or where it is... thanks
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# [22:25] <lduros> it looks like it's not just using css, because meta redirects are being performed when javascript is off
# [22:25] <lduros> when they are inside <noscript>
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# [22:27] <@bz> lduros: "injects" in what sense?
# [22:27] <@bz> lduros: <noscript> is just parsed differently by the parser depending on whether script is on
# [22:27] <lduros> I guess this is what I'm looking for: content/html/document/src/nsHTMLContentSink.cpp
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# [22:27] <lduros> bz: ok, so that's at parsing time
# [22:27] <mbrubeck> lduros: see also https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/parser/html/javasrc/TreeBuilder.java#585
# [22:27] <lduros> bz: just I want to emulate this in certain circumstances
# [22:28] <mcsmurf> .java files inside our source?
# [22:28] <lduros> so I might copy the content of <noscript> and inject it into the dom
# [22:28] <mbrubeck> mcsmurf: Our HTML5 parser is translated from Java to C++!
# [22:28] <lduros> using javascript, i'm talking
# [22:28] <mcsmurf> did I miss something?
# [22:28] <mcsmurf> :o
# [22:28] <lduros> mbrubeck: thanks
# [22:29] <biesi> note that it's really hard to completely emulate it
# [22:29] <biesi> because the content of the noscript don't have to be wellformed, afai
# [22:29] <biesi> k
# [22:30] <lduros> bz: from MDN: The HTML NoScript Element (<noscript>) defines a section of html to be inserted if a script type on the page is unsupported or if scripting is currently turned off in the browser. -- I guess I should have used "insert" rather than "inject" :-)
# [22:30] <mcsmurf> what's the tool called that's translates java to c++?
# [22:30] <mcsmurf> -'s
# [22:30] <lduros> it makes it sound like it's done after parsing though, in a way
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# [22:32] <sourabh912> jaws:hi
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# [22:33] <jaws> sourabh912: hey
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# [22:34] <jdm> is there a bugzilla component for pushlog?
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# [22:35] <sourabh912> jaws: Can you please suggest in which of the two files (.js or .css) changes are to be made first?
# [22:35] <jdm> it doesn't show changesets that occur as part of a merge for fromchange/tochange
# [22:35] <jaws> sourabh912: i think that's something you'll have to figure out as you do your work
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# [22:37] <sourabh912> jaws:ok
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# [22:39] <sourabh912> jaws:if time permits what else other than clock can be implemented as the os indicators?
# [22:39] <jaws> sourabh912: nothing else for now. we want just the bare minimum
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# [22:43] <sheeri> proof that it's NOT the db: http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2012/02/10/the-performance-golden-rule/ :D
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# [22:46] <jesup> Anyone know a good way to track down if symbols from some object files are overloading/overriding system functions or others elsewhere in mozilla? I have a suspicion that something in my libsctp import is overriding something and causing memory trashing (or improper frees). Most symbols are obviously clean (all C, sctp_*, user_*, etc) - but there are some possible collisions (m_free,...
# [22:46] <jesup> ...sofree, mbufalloc, etc)
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# [22:46] <jesup> Can we get a map file?
# [22:46] * jesup shudders at the likely size
# [22:47] <mak> edmorley: were all the merge bugs marked? cause I had a bug there and it's not
# [22:47] <edmorley> mak: just finished dinner, going to start on it now :-)
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# [22:48] <sourabh912> jaws:in the design given ..some planets have a small figure in which planets are revolving around the sun .Does work need to be done to do make that happen?
# [22:48] <philor> anybody want to back out Serge's https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/273173a592dc from yesterday? it put 20 or 30 uncounted unexpected-fails into every mochitest-3
# [22:48] <mak> edmorley: ah ok, was just worried about possible mistakes, all right!
# [22:48] <philor> which makes getting tbpl to load actual counted ones impossible
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# [22:51] <mak> philor: is that the reason we get these infinite m3 logs?
# [22:52] <jaws> sourabh912: those planets are part of the web page, so they are not to be implemented
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# [22:53] <sourabh912> jaws:thanks a lot
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# [23:01] <glandium> jlebar|mac: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=766d6c44f3e9 all green for osx ; one regression for linux64, though
# [23:02] <jlebar|mac> glandium: And I see that you at least know which revision to blame for Linux64.
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# [23:02] <glandium> jlebar|mac: yeah :)
# [23:03] <glandium> jlebar|mac: btw, i noticed today that there's a huge gap between rss-anonymous and heap-committed, is that expected ?
# [23:03] <glandium> jlebar|mac: (with jemalloc1)
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# [23:03] <jlebar|mac> glandium: Much of that is the JS engine, I believe.
# [23:03] <jlebar|mac> glandium: It has its own allocator, naturally.
# [23:04] <glandium> jlebar|mac: in the order of 8MB on a clean startup, and a crazy 1GB on my almost 2000 tabs session
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# [23:04] <mak> philor: maybe I'm reading it wrong, but in Simpletest this fancy condition looks bogus var isError = !test.result == !test.todo;
# [23:05] <glandium> (what's even more crazy is that only 9 tabs are actually loaded...)
# [23:05] <jlebar|mac> glandium: How does the size of the gap compare to js-gc-heap?
# [23:05] <jlebar|mac> glandium: Those about:blank tabs each take some non-negligible memory.
# [23:05] <glandium> jlebar|mac: i know, i filed the bug about it.
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# [23:06] <jlebar|mac> glandium: But that should show up in the heap.
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# [23:06] <glandium> jlebar|mac: it doesn't
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# [23:06] <jlebar|mac> glandium: :-/
# [23:07] <jlebar|mac> glandium: Sounds like a good [MemShrink] bug
# [23:07] <mak> philor: are todos considered errors when passing?
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# [23:08] <glandium> jlebar|mac: I'll do more measurement in a non jemalloc2 build
# [23:08] <jlebar|mac> glandium: Okay.
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# [23:10] <dao> mak: unexpected pass, yes
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# [23:11] <mak> thx
# [23:12] <NeilAway> Waldo++
# [23:12] <Waldo> NeilAway: ?
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# [23:13] <gavin> edmorley: it looks like you missed the backout in bug 738568?
# [23:14] <Waldo> not questioning, divining its nature :-)
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# [23:15] <mak> philor: I would even back that out, but it's unclear to me what's the plan there. For now I've just cleared the c-n request to Aurora since sounds more painful than useful.
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# [23:16] <NeilAway> Waldo: for <noscript><script></noscript>
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# [23:16] <edmorley> gavin: ah dammit, I'd paired the backout and original landing up and thought I had closed that tab, but must have missed it - thanks for pointing it out
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# [23:17] <derf> bz: Is it possible to have an about:config option that's reset to its default value every time the browser starts?
# [23:17] <edmorley> gavin: another reason why this so needs to be automated (although until the commit message hook is tightened, automation is perhaps just as likely to make mistakes, given the variance in styles of backout message)
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# [23:18] <jhammel> derf: can't you have an event listener that will reset it?
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# [23:18] <mcsmurf> NeilAway: so, do we execute the <script> in the <noscript>? :)
# [23:19] <derf> jhammel: If you tell me I can, I'll believe you.
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# [23:19] <mcsmurf> (probably not ;)
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# [23:21] <philor> mak: yeah, I don't have any ideas about it other than that it is making it impossible to star mochitest-3
# [23:21] <philor> I tried to read the bug last night, but I was unsuccessful at doing so
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# [23:25] <gavin> NS_NewURI()
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# [23:26] <Ameya> thnks
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# [23:27] <mak> philor: ah, I see, the removed overloads were using todoTests object, that SimpleTest doesn't know about
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# [23:30] <Ameya> gavin: reverse way..?
# [23:30] <mak> philor: commented in the bug
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# [23:31] <Ameya> gavin: convert URl from nsIURl to nsXPIDLCString ...??
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# [23:32] <mak> Ameya: see GetSpec in nsIURI
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# [23:39] <froydnj> hey, hg rollback doesn't work with qfinish, how handy
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# [23:40] <mak> fryn: hg qimport -r tip
# [23:40] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=10449384&tree=Mozilla-Inbound is nice
# [23:40] <mak> fryn: ops I meant froydnj
# [23:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/183eed448b9d - Peter Van der Beken - Fix for bug 739898 (Stop using enablePrivilege in test_bug480509.html). r=bz.
# [23:41] <mak> froydnj: that converts tip back to a mq patch
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# [23:41] <froydnj> mak: kind of weird, but I'll remember that the next time. thanks!
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# [23:42] <Ameya> mak: convertChromeURL() is used to convert chrome://package/provider/... into file:///C:/project/mozilla-central/obj-i686-pc-mingw32/dist/bin/... right??
# [23:43] <mak> Ameya: never used it honestly
# [23:43] <jhammel> without a comma that makes me wonder if you used it dishonestly ;)
# [23:43] <mak> maybe!
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# [23:45] <Ameya> mak: i have some urls of type file:///C:/project/mozilla-central/obj-i686-pc-mi... & some chrome:// ...........need to bring into single format.
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# [23:46] <Ameya> mak: I think all chrome:// can be converted to actual urls ...right??
# [23:46] <jdm> peterv: did you try my Components.wrap suggestion instead of setPrivilegedProps?
# [23:46] <@roc> bholley: ping? I'm wondering if, in CallMethodHelper::GetInterfaceTypeFromParam, paramIndex 0 means "this"
# [23:46] <mak> ameya: chrome are urls, and some of those may resolve to contents of the omni.jar
# [23:46] <bholley> roc: hm
# [23:47] <bholley> roc: my guess would be no
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# [23:47] <@roc> I've got a method that takes no parameters in IDL, and an error coming back "Cannot find interface information for parameter arg 0"
# [23:47] <@roc> is it the implicit out parameter for the result?
# [23:47] <bholley> roc: that's more likely
# [23:47] <@roc> ok thanks
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# [23:48] <@roc> hmm
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# [23:49] <gavin> roc: did you forget to package an xpt?
# [23:49] <@roc> yes, that must be it
# [23:49] <@roc> thanks
# [23:50] <@roc> I have to update all four package-manifest.in files? seriously?
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# [23:52] <@khuey> yes
# [23:52] <@khuey> and tell seamonkey and thunderbird to update theirs
# [23:52] <@roc> couldn't they #include a shared one?
# [23:52] <@khuey> welcome to the future
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# [23:52] <@khuey> there's a bug
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# [23:52] <@khuey> nobody has done it
# [23:52] <@roc> is it hard?
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# [23:54] <edmorley> philor: serge's 273173a592dc still wants backing out yeah?
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# [23:56] <philor> edmorley: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=483992#c20 makes it sound like mak came around to thinking so, yeah
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# [23:57] <@roc> khuey: what's the bug#
# [23:57] <@roc> ?
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# [23:58] <@khuey> roc: 511642
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# [23:59] <@roc> RESOLVED FIXED?
# [23:59] <@khuey> roc:
# [23:59] <@khuey> er
# [23:59] <@khuey> sorry
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# [23:59] <gavin> bug 526333
# [23:59] <@khuey> yeah that one
# [23:59] <@khuey> :-)
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