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  1. # Session Start: Sat Mar 31 00:00:01 2012
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  4. # [00:01] <jdm> wow, why did I suddenly get 18 messages about people interested in writing code for Firefox in the past 6 hours?
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  8. # [00:02] <Waldo> answer ALL the messages!
  9. # [00:02] <jbuck> jdm: you are the student whisperer?
  10. # [00:02] <jdm> haha
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  22. # [00:09] <jfkthame> khuey: ok - i figured you were hiding from me :)
  23. # [00:10] <jfkthame> khuey: don't worry, i'll be after you later!
  24. # [00:10] <dholbert> jdm / jphan1, yes, by all means take that bug if you'd like it :)
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  26. # [00:11] <jphan1> dholbert thank you ill think about it
  27. # [00:12] <WG9s> fredw:but in any event i just re-enabled my android XUL daily builds and started one. but my build system is slow. so will be a bit before it shows up.
  28. # [00:12] <@khuey> jfkthame: :-D
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  31. # [00:14] <dholbert> jphan1, I just unassigned myself. (thanks for the reminder that I was still assigned to it :))
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  36. # [00:15] <Mossop> I'm starting to regret trying to remember how the universal build bits work
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  46. # [00:21] <jimm> anyone know how to go about getting a people.mozilla.org account?
  47. # [00:21] <jhammel> work at Mozilla?
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  49. # [00:22] <Waldo> there's an intranet page for it
  50. # [00:22] <Waldo> I think you might even just have it by default
  51. # [00:22] <Mossop> I think you have to file an IT bug to get it created
  52. # [00:22] <gavin> yes, you do
  53. # [00:22] <Mossop> Or I'm wrong
  54. # [00:22] <gavin> Mossop: no, just to get the ssh pubkey added
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  56. # [00:22] <gavin> which jimm should already have for commit access and such
  57. # [00:23] <gavin> jimm: ssh jmathies@people.mozilla.org should Just Work
  58. # [00:23] <Mossop> Free shell counts for everyone with commit access?
  59. # [00:23] <Waldo> oh, yes, you have it by default if you did "certain other stuff" which many people have done :-)
  60. # [00:23] <gavin> Mossop: everyone employed by mozilla
  61. # [00:23] <gavin> (i.e. o=com)
  62. # [00:24] <jimm> gavin: that works, any idea what the web address would be for my root dir?
  63. # [00:24] <gavin> jimm: you need to create a ~/public_html, which maps to people.mozilla.org/~jmathies
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  65. # [00:25] <jimm> ok will try that, thx
  66. # [00:25] <rs> jimm: info at https://intranet.mozilla.org/ShellServer
  67. # [00:25] <jimm> ah wonderful, a users manual
  68. # [00:25] <gavin> that /usr/local/bin/mkweb.sh no longer exists anymore, I think
  69. # [00:25] <gavin> oh wait, it does!
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  71. # [00:26] <jhammel> heh
  72. # [00:26] <jhammel> seems kinda pointless to me ;)
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  75. # [00:27] <gavin> not everyone knows how to chmod!
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  79. # [00:29] <smontagu> can someone explain to me the logic of making a change that has the effect of reducing the chance of people seeing updates to security bugs?
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  81. # [00:29] <smontagu> people that should see the updates, I mean
  82. # [00:30] <gavin> smontagu: it means that details of security exploits aren't sitting in people mailboxes unencrypted
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  84. # [00:31] <smontagu> do we have any reason to believe that that was a problem? or is this general reduction of attack surface?
  85. # [00:32] <gavin> more of the latter
  86. # [00:33] <@khuey> yeah, that's been fun
  87. # [00:33] * @khuey is a couple weeks behind on security bugmail
  88. # [00:33] <@khuey> hope there's nothing important in there!
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  92. # [00:38] <Callek> khuey: they are security bugs, what could be important in there
  93. # [00:38] <Callek> ;-)
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  97. # [00:43] <jdm> security bugs are a conspiracy by browser vendors to force their users to update to the latest and greatest version
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  101. # [00:44] <jdm> man, I got so much more code written when my internet connection was broken earlier today for a few hours
  102. # [00:44] <jdm> even lacking things like MXR
  103. # [00:44] <@smaug> jdm: yeah, I inject always few security bugs to my patches
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  106. # [00:45] * @khuey is afraid of how many are lurking in MutationObserver
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  108. # [00:46] <Mossop> Who can tell me what commands buildbot attempts to run to build the xulrunner package on mac?
  109. # [00:46] <@khuey> the log probably can
  110. # [00:47] <Mossop> The builds are red right now
  111. # [00:47] <Mossop> Or arew we building on aurora?
  112. # [00:47] * @khuey has no idea
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  114. # [00:49] <Mossop> Apparently we are ...
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  119. # [00:50] <Mossop> Wow, lots of stuff landing on aurora
  120. # [00:50] <clavin> can nyone elaborate on what we have to do in fullscreen mode feature in firefox. just integrate the interface?
  121. # [00:51] <kbrosnan> fullscreen in what?
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  123. # [00:51] <jdm> clavin: is this the gsoc project?
  124. # [00:51] <clavin> yup
  125. # [00:52] <jdm> felipe is probably the best person to do that
  126. # [00:52] <clavin> k
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  129. # [00:54] <felipe> clavin: I'm about to go afk, can you send me an email instead?
  130. # [00:54] <clavin> sure
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  149. # [01:07] <Waldo> (and destructors)
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  159. # [01:16] <Mossop> Ok I got universal XULRunner packages working again and even better I've somehow ramped up the compression so the tar.bz is just 107 bytes!
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  164. # [01:16] <jdm> hmm, anybody know if we actively disable the bookmark bar at some point when people upgrade to newer firefoxes?
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  166. # [01:17] <jdm> I know that we don't ship with it enabled by default, but I'm not sure how that translates to existing users
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  168. # [01:17] <Mossop> jdm: I /think/ we disable it if there is nothing but the default bookmarks there
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  174. # [01:19] <NeilAway> so, someone quickstubbed some .data property, and now it just says "warning: setting a property that has only a getter" where before it used to say "e.data is read-only"
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  177. # [01:20] <edmorley> jdm: iirc we disabled it if number of items on it <= N, whereby N matches the count of default bookmarks/livemarks in a new profile
  178. # [01:21] <edmorley> the idea being that if people hadn't added anything to it, then it would just get hidden
  179. # [01:21] <edmorley> though not so sure what happens in the deleted defaults and replaced with own, but count still under N case
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  185. # [01:25] <mbrubeck> edmorley, jdm: Testing locally, we do hide the toolbar on upgrade if it contains the default bookmarks...
  186. # [01:25] <jdm> thanks for checking
  187. # [01:26] <edmorley> jdm: ah, bug 574514 and N > 3 leaves it shown, otherwise hidden
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  194. # [01:29] <darktrojan> bsmedberg, do I need sr on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682360 ?
  195. # [01:29] * darktrojan guesses yes
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  197. # [01:30] <Waldo> NeilAway: the change is basically correct; a property that's non-writable and holds a value is different from a property which is a getter/setter pair where the setter is absent
  198. # [01:30] <Waldo> NeilAway: although, I suspect the ongoing bindings work will make all that stuff a lot more sane than it is now
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  237. # [01:58] <tanvi> anyone having issues building the latest code from mozilla-central?
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  243. # [02:03] <@khuey> tanvi: what error are you getting?
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  245. # [02:05] <JonathanS> khuey, did you see about MS said like "SDPY is not done enough for mobilty so the company made their own"
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  260. # [02:09] <jphan1> hi anybody know how to assign a bug to myself
  261. # [02:09] <jphan1> ?
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  266. # [02:13] <tanvi> i was getting a clang error. i'm rebuidling from scratch now
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  271. # [02:15] <mbrubeck> jphan1: You need some additional permissions to assign bugs. For now, I can assign a bug to you if you want.
  272. # [02:15] <mbrubeck> (or you can comment in bugs you want to work on and ask to be assigned)
  273. # [02:15] <mbrubeck> for more info on bugzilla permissions, see http://www.gerv.net/hacking/before-you-mail-gerv.html
  274. # [02:15] <jphan1> oh ok
  275. # [02:17] <jphan1> can u assign me to this one? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740237#c1
  276. # [02:17] <mbrubeck> jphan1: Sure, what is your Bugzilla email?
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  283. # [02:26] <RyanVM> does anybody know who clokep is?
  284. # [02:26] <jdm> hmm, the name is familiar
  285. # [02:26] <RyanVM> appears related to mail
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  288. # [02:26] <RyanVM> did a review on a TB IM patch
  289. # [02:27] <RyanVM> I don't even see a module listed for TB IM on the wiki
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  291. # [02:28] <WG9s> RyanVM: might be listed as Instantbird
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  296. # [02:28] <RyanVM> for the record, #maildev is a total ghost town
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  298. # [02:29] <RyanVM> looks like it's listed as Chat
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  301. # [02:30] <Mook_as> RyanVM: Patrick Cloke, chat module peer, IIRC. see #instantbird
  302. # [02:30] <RyanVM> yeah, found him
  303. # [02:30] <RyanVM> going to update the wiki to list the bugzilla component
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  306. # [02:31] <Mook_as> /chat is kinda new, I assume people are still working out the procedure :)
  307. # [02:34] <NeilAway> Waldo: yeah, but the new message doesn't name the property :-(
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  309. # [02:34] <NeilAway> Waldo: ideally it would name the class of object for which the failed property set was attempted too
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  311. # [02:34] <NeilAway> bah, he left?
  312. # [02:35] <NeilAway> mind you I shouldn't be here either
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  314. # [02:35] <NeilAway> but browserquest started working
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  359. # [03:08] <RyanVM> wesj: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Tree_Rules/Inbound FWIW
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  362. # [03:10] <wesj> RyanVM: sorry. i was asked by someone to land that and didn't know it had the flag set even
  363. # [03:11] <RyanVM> for good form, you should always be checking flags, assignee, etc when landing on inbound
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  366. # [03:12] * Waldo would describe that a little more strongly than "good form", himself
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  389. # [03:30] <RyanVM> well, that was spectacular bustage
  390. # [03:30] <Waldo> *golfclap*
  391. # [03:31] <RyanVM> gotta love when someone posts a revised part 1 patch that bitrots their earlier-posted part 3 patch
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  393. # [03:31] <RyanVM> and in my attempt to un-bitrot, I didn't notice the extra braces that appeared with the two different patches
  394. # [03:31] <RyanVM> *sigh*
  395. # [03:32] <Waldo> man, it's been awhile since I landed much checkin-needed fodder
  396. # [03:32] * Waldo was the one who created the "checkin-needed" shared search, back when he was doing that
  397. # [03:32] <Waldo> now that I don't really look at it, I've always wondered if, if I deleted it, would people who'd used it still be able to use it
  398. # [03:33] <RyanVM> meh, I have my own bookmarked query for it
  399. # [03:33] <RyanVM> i see it as my way of helping out new contributors
  400. # [03:33] <Waldo> some number of people have shared it, so it would affect some people, somewhat (assuming they actually use it, who knows if they do)
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  427. # [03:53] <jdm> that's how I do the query
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  461. # [04:07] <reuben> why does this keep happening…
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  473. # [04:14] <RyanVM> jgilbert: ping
  474. # [04:14] <RyanVM> reuben: ?
  475. # [04:14] <jgilbert> Ryan: pong
  476. # [04:15] <RyanVM> jgilbert: would the centralization tie into libjpeg-turbo too?
  477. # [04:15] <RyanVM> and qcms
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  479. # [04:15] <jgilbert> hah, that was quick
  480. # [04:15] <jgilbert> Ryan: you mean for pixel format stuff?
  481. # [04:15] <jgilbert> RyanVM even
  482. # [04:15] <RyanVM> I've been CCed for awhile. Just forgot to ask
  483. # [04:15] <RyanVM> yeah
  484. # [04:15] <reuben> RyanVM, my nick… changes to Guest every now and then
  485. # [04:15] <RyanVM> I know libjpeg-turbo has optimizations for pretty much every mode out there
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  487. # [04:15] <RyanVM> reuben: ah
  488. # [04:15] <jgilbert> maybe; I have not looked at it
  489. # [04:16] <jgilbert> sounds like I should
  490. # [04:16] <RyanVM> jgilbert: talk to jlebar about it
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  492. # [04:16] <RyanVM> there are bugs filed for poor jpeg decoding speed vs. libjpeg-turbo command line
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  494. # [04:16] <RyanVM> I think he was theorizing that some of it is qcms-related
  495. # [04:17] <jgilbert> oh, the centralization is mostly for internal format conversions. Does libjpeg-turbo have general format conversions, even for things like rgb565?
  496. # [04:18] <jgilbert> ideally, yes, if we can get a decode directly to the format we want, we would like that also
  497. # [04:19] <RyanVM> jgilbert: not sure
  498. # [04:19] <RyanVM> it does RGB, RGBX, BGR, BGRX, XBGR, XRGB
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  500. # [04:20] <jgilbert> yeah, 565 is mostly for GL stuff
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  503. # [04:22] <RyanVM> ok
  504. # [04:22] <RyanVM> anyway, I think there are various places involving color management where needless conversions are being performed
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  658. # [07:28] <rhelmer> Callek: pong
  659. # [07:29] <Callek> rhelmer: as far as you know, are there code changes *required* to support graphs.m.o instead of the [now killed off] graphs-old.m.o? If so, do you know what bug they were done in for MoCo RelEng?
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  661. # [07:29] <Callek> rhelmer: I didn't know date for it shut off was decided on, and it burned SeaMonkey machines today -- and I *thought* there was changes required for us to use it, but I can't find any docs/info on that [so I flipped the url without any other changes for now]
  662. # [07:29] <rhelmer> Callek: no shouldn't be code changes required, just post to graphs.m.o instead of graphs-old.m.o
  663. # [07:30] <Callek> rhelmer: GREAT thanks
  664. # [07:30] <rhelmer> Callek: np, lmk if you hit any problems
  665. # [07:30] <Callek> rhelmer: and DB on graphs is the same as graphs-old (such that I don't need to do a DB update bug)
  666. # [07:30] <rhelmer> Callek: yeah I think they are in a rush to move servers out of the old datacenter
  667. # [07:30] <rhelmer> Callek: the DB is the same
  668. # [07:30] <Callek> rhelmer: lastly do you recall if we access via HTTP/HTTPS for posting data or if its an ssh connection to dump data? (as in does it require a known_hosts update on my machines)?
  669. # [07:31] <rhelmer> Callek: it's HTTP/HTTPS POST only
  670. # [07:31] * Callek seems to recall it was an http connection, but handy to ask you
  671. # [07:31] <Callek> rhelmer: WONDERFUL, thanks
  672. # [07:31] <rhelmer> Callek: np, yeah lmk if you hit any problems, I can run an instance of graphs-old on the new boxes in a vhost if necessary
  673. # [07:31] <rhelmer> Callek: I didn't realize they were going to shut it off quite that soon either tbh
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  675. # [07:32] <Callek> really if graphs.m.o works for me, I have no desire whatsoever to use graphs-old, was only using it as a "I got other important stuff, I'm deferring this -- not urgent yet" :-)
  676. # [07:32] <Callek> then the turn off surprised me, but I know IT has sooooooo many plates/issues to juggle I'm not upset over it
  677. # [07:34] <rhelmer> Callek: yeah i think the datacenter move date is looming
  678. # [07:34] <rhelmer> Callek: cool, let me know how it goes
  679. # [07:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c8dbf446d297 - Johnny Stenback - Removing windows newlines. no bug and DONTBUILD
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  762. # [09:43] <saketh> Hi....Is there anyone who can tell me how I can go about with the full screen or silverfox gsoc project for mozilla?
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  768. # [09:48] <jdm> saketh: you'll want to talk to felipe about the full screen project
  769. # [09:48] <jdm> saketh: he's asleep, so your best bet is to send an email
  770. # [09:49] <saketh> Thanks....
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  841. # [12:06] <darktrojan> create a module named simplejson
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  848. # [12:18] <darktrojan> my webserver has python 2.4 on it, it's never even heard of json :(
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  856. # [12:25] <darktrojan> NhanTDN, ask it then
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  858. # [12:28] <NhanTDN> Oh, I've just figured out.
  859. # [12:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8c64512cb60b - ffxbld - Automated blocklist update from host moz2-linux-slave02
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  904. # [13:45] <edmorley> Ms2ger: good afternoon :-)
  905. # [13:45] <Ms2ger> Hi :)
  906. # [13:46] <Ms2ger> That didn't work, I'm afraid
  907. # [13:46] <edmorley> lol
  908. # [13:46] <Ms2ger> Time to close inbound, I guess
  909. # [13:46] <edmorley> I was just looking at the original landing thinking ?!?
  910. # [13:46] <edmorley> clobbertime perhaps
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  912. # [13:47] <Ms2ger> Could be
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  914. # [13:49] <Ms2ger> Hi givanica
  915. # [13:49] <Ms2ger> Central European
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  917. # [13:50] <givanica> hi, lol , didn't know that those are visible to all . Just was wondering from what country you are ...
  918. # [13:51] <edmorley> Ms2ger: I've clobbered and now retriggering on 369ad04efa1f to see if it was just green until clobber, or if it's still green
  919. # [13:52] <edmorley> although the later pushes weren't periodic, so who knows
  920. # [13:54] <Ms2ger> Hmm, win64 pgo also went red
  921. # [13:55] <edmorley> oh I'd ignored that, yeah same failure
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  928. # [14:09] <edmorley> glandium: ping
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  935. # [14:18] <edmorley> I think I'm just going to back out 82c315c0bd14 and see how we go
  936. # [14:19] <edmorley> a win pgo periodic clobber has failed as well now
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  938. # [14:20] <Ms2ger> Ah yes, looks fishy
  939. # [14:20] <Ms2ger> Hmm, hgmo down?
  940. # [14:21] <Ms2ger> Or just me...
  941. # [14:21] <edmorley> seems slightly slower, but wfm
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  943. # [14:23] <Ms2ger> Nah, just me
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  952. # [14:45] <Unfocused> !seen jphan1
  953. # [14:45] <firebot> jphan1 was last seen 12 hours, 28 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying 'can u assign me to this one? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740237#c1' in #developers.
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  958. # [14:54] <edmorley> clobber B2g build 20 mins,; nice
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  980. # [15:34] <glandium> edmorley: looks like i broke the tree. sorry
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  983. # [15:35] <edmorley> glandium: that's ok :-)
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  987. # [15:36] <edmorley> glandium: bit of a mixture, the clobbered retriggers on your push seem to be coming back green so far, but win pgo was still red on periodic higher up
  988. # [15:37] <glandium> edmorley: i wonder if clobbers on the failing ones would work
  989. # [15:37] <edmorley> the failing win pgo was a periodic clobber, the others have seemed to respond to a clobber ok
  990. # [15:38] <edmorley> s/ond/onded/
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  993. # [15:40] <glandium> yeah, pgo is different
  994. # [15:41] <glandium> so it could be that some cases of non-clobber break, but not all
  995. # [15:41] <glandium> that would suggest that if we clobber when relanding, it would be good. that doesn't solve the pgo problem, though
  996. # [15:42] <edmorley> indeed
  997. # [15:43] <edmorley> bug 644608 bites back again!
  998. # [15:43] <glandium> 740627 can be relanded
  999. # [15:44] <edmorley> yeah, I was just going to grab some lunch and do it after :-)
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  1011. # [16:04] <edmorley> done
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  1023. # [16:30] <@khuey> man the tree is a disaster
  1024. # [16:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/81630abfd725 - Kyle Huey - Bug 718316: Disable failing tests.
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  1027. # [16:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dc227fe38235 - Kyle Huey - Bug 740626: Disable failing tests.
  1028. # [16:35] <Ms2ger> khuey, you're not going to get hit by Aryeh's fail-if-you-didn't-run-any-tests?
  1029. # [16:36] <Ms2ger> edmorley++
  1030. # [16:36] <@khuey> what?
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  1032. # [16:36] <@khuey> when did we start doing that?
  1033. # [16:36] <Ms2ger> Last few weeks?
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  1036. # [16:37] <@khuey> where was the announcement?
  1037. # [16:37] <@khuey> that's kind of important ...
  1038. # [16:37] <Ms2ger> firebot, bug 735805
  1039. # [16:37] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735805 enh, --, mozilla14, ayg, RESO FIXED, mochitests that run no tests should fail
  1040. # [16:38] <@khuey> gah
  1041. # [16:38] <edmorley> bah, merged it too
  1042. # [16:39] <@khuey> when people do crap like this they really should tell people about it
  1043. # [16:42] <@khuey> and of course, I can't cancel the builds because that will leave the objdirs messy
  1044. # [16:44] <NeilAway> glandium: have you tried http://browserquest.mozilla.org/debug/ ? It worked for me even though the normal page didn't
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  1047. # [16:45] <glandium> NeilAway: no cheese
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  1054. # [17:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fd2da289a3c1 - Kyle Huey - No bug: Followups to my previous two commits.
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  1067. # [17:20] <edmorley> khuey: isn't todo a valid alternative?
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  1072. # [17:23] <@khuey> no idea, I looked at the patches in teh bug and they used ok
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  1074. # [17:26] <edmorley> ah, I had just seen https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=606695&action=diff#a/content/canvas/test/crossorigin/test_webgl_crossorigin_textures.html_sec1
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  1077. # [17:28] <janv> is this walking tour going to happen today ?
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  1081. # [17:37] <@smaug> this pdf.js installation thing is annoying
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  1083. # [17:38] <glandium> smaug: i really don't understand why it's installed as an addon at all
  1084. # [17:39] <@smaug> yeah. if we're planning to ship it as a part of FF, why do we want it to be an addon
  1085. # [17:40] <glandium> and no one answered bug 738674 comment 14
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  1105. # [17:59] <@smaug> khuey: just curious, how much did the paris bingings increase binary size?
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  1113. # [18:08] <@khuey> smaug: good question
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  1115. # [18:10] <@khuey> smaug: we added 46 KB
  1116. # [18:10] <@khuey> to libxul
  1117. # [18:10] <@khuey> (on 32 bit linux)
  1118. # [18:10] <@smaug> that is not much
  1119. # [18:10] <@khuey> nope
  1120. # [18:12] <@smaug> khuey: another thing, what is the best site to check weather in SF. like is there some site with live satellite view so that one could estimate when the raining might stop
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  1122. # [18:13] <@khuey> smaug: http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/San+Francisco+CA+94117 :-(
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  1124. # [18:14] <janv> http://weatherspark.com/#!dashboard;q=san+francisco
  1125. # [18:14] <@smaug> that is quite static
  1126. # [18:14] <janv> jonas gave me that link
  1127. # [18:15] <@smaug> looking
  1128. # [18:15] <janv> I guess the walkin tour won't happen today
  1129. # [18:16] <@smaug> yeah
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  1131. # [18:16] <@smaug> janv: that is a nice website
  1132. # [18:16] <@smaug> Flash-y, but still
  1133. # [18:16] <janv> yeah
  1134. # [18:17] <janv> and it has something like sleep mode
  1135. # [18:17] <janv> it somehow goes to sleep mode when inactive
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  1155. # [18:53] <NeilAway> glandium: sorry to hear that. it does run too slowly in my vm though, have to stick to running it natively
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  1171. # [19:05] <@smaug> tryserver, could you just now become superfast. please.
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  1179. # [19:12] <avih> jaws: thx pushing the aurora approval. but now that it's approved, should someone push it to aurora? I don't see it on latest build.
  1180. # [19:14] <jdm> yes, someone needs to do that
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  1182. # [19:15] <edmorley> khuey: nothing failed prior to the followup?!?
  1183. # [19:16] <avih> jdm: should i flag it somehow?
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  1185. # [19:16] <avih> (it got pushed to m-c some time ago)
  1186. # [19:16] <jdm> avih: you could add a checkin? flag to the attachment and a [land in aurora] annotation to the whiteboard
  1187. # [19:16] <edmorley> khuey: oh you've merged the followup too, that explains it, thanks :-)
  1188. # [19:17] <avih> jdm: add checkin-needed at keywords and add [land in aurora] at the whiteboard field?
  1189. # [19:18] <glandium> edmorley: i found why we got red after my push this morning... and it's not really because of that change. it's because without the change, the build system is lax about missing libs, and there is a bug in layout/build/Makefile.in, including domtelephony_s unconditionally, while it's only built on b2g
  1190. # [19:18] <jdm> avih: just the checkin? flag on the attachment
  1191. # [19:18] <avih> jdm: it's 3 parts, jws told me that it's easier for committers to handle a single keyword..
  1192. # [19:19] <jdm> hmm, that's a good point
  1193. # [19:19] <jdm> checkin-needed it is
  1194. # [19:19] <avih> k, thx
  1195. # [19:20] <edmorley> glandium: ah! nice :-)
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  1202. # [19:25] <glandium> edmorley: now the question is... are there others?
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  1204. # [19:25] <@smaug> edmorley: are you going to merge m-i soon to m-c ?
  1205. # [19:27] <Mossop> Where do I have to delete pyc files from to stop IDL errors when building?
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  1207. # [19:27] <@smaug> Mossop: in the src directory
  1208. # [19:28] <@smaug> let me find the place..
  1209. # [19:28] <edmorley> smaug: I'm going to merge from f9dbb2093802 once it goes green, so likely after I get back this evening
  1210. # [19:28] <@smaug> Mossop: IIRC xpcom/idl-parser/
  1211. # [19:28] <edmorley> smaug: I'm away for a few days from tomorrow early, so I was going to do at least one before I go
  1212. # [19:29] <@smaug> edmorley: evening means what?
  1213. # [19:29] <Mossop> Hmm I thought I did it there already
  1214. # [19:29] <@smaug> you're somewhere in GB, right?
  1215. # [19:29] <edmorley> smaug: sorry, 4 hours
  1216. # [19:29] <@smaug> k
  1217. # [19:29] <edmorley> smaug: the pgo I just triggered on f9dbb2093802 needs to go green anyway
  1218. # [19:30] <@smaug> Mossop: do you have some reasonable old tree
  1219. # [19:30] <@smaug> have you done a clobber build ?
  1220. # [19:30] <Mossop> Oh maybe I have to clobber after deleting them
  1221. # [19:30] <@smaug> there was a problem week or two ago which required clobber + .pyc deletion
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  1223. # [19:31] <Mossop> delete all the things!
  1224. # [19:31] <edmorley> I'd take from d151eaf1985c, but that would mean re-merging as it's prior to the merge the other way. no idea if that ever causes issues with mercurial, but I try to avoid it in case
  1225. # [19:31] <@smaug> hmm
  1226. # [19:31] <@smaug> could I land to m-i
  1227. # [19:32] <@smaug> for the first time
  1228. # [19:32] <@khuey> nah
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  1230. # [19:32] <@khuey> don't do it
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  1233. # [19:32] <@smaug> if khuey says no, I probably should do it
  1234. # [19:32] <@khuey> lol
  1235. # [19:33] <@smaug> is there anything special with m-i? I could just clone https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound and push ?
  1236. # [19:33] <@smaug> er, hmm, cloning won't work using this network connection
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  1239. # [19:37] <Mossop> Nope, clobber and killing those pycs and I still get idlerrors building thunderbird
  1240. # [19:37] <@smaug> khuey: ^
  1241. # [19:37] <jdm> smaug: it's possible to push without cloning through some arcane magic that I forget
  1242. # [19:38] <jdm> it might be as simple as hg push m-i -u default
  1243. # [19:38] <jdm> er, the -u might be very wrong
  1244. # [19:39] <Mossop> Looks like bug 735825 suggests I have to wipe my entire srcdir and start again :(
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  1248. # [19:42] <janv> is anybody in the SF office ?
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  1282. # [20:11] <janv> dbaron: hi, do you know if there's anybody in the SF office ?
  1283. # [20:11] <@dbaron> janv, I don't know.
  1284. # [20:11] <@dbaron> janv, might ask in #sf
  1285. # [20:12] <janv> ah
  1286. # [20:12] <janv> thanks
  1287. # [20:12] <Mossop> hg down?
  1288. # [20:13] <Mossop> Oh wait, I'm trying to use git to clone from hg
  1289. # [20:13] <Mossop> Yeah hg works much better
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  1317. # [20:41] <nur> hi
  1318. # [20:41] <nur> hallo
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  1340. # [21:09] * Mossop sighs
  1341. # [21:10] <Mossop> Completely wiped my source and objdirs and started from scratch, still get IDL parsing errors for thunderbird
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  1343. # [21:11] <@smaug> haa, finally one green X on windows
  1344. # [21:11] <@smaug> time to land
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  1347. # [21:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/83dce280d871 - Olli Pettay - Bug 641821, MutationObserver, r=sicking
  1348. # [21:15] <@smaug> crossing fingers
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  1350. # [21:16] <janv> yeah
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  1358. # [21:20] <Mossop> Ugh, my build was actually failing due to path length problems, the idl parsing errors were just a red herring :(
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  1366. # [21:28] <@smaug> Mossop: path length ?
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  1368. # [21:29] <@smaug> too many nested long-named directories?
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  1370. # [21:31] <Mossop> smaug: In this makefile in the objdir the full relative paths for srcdir etc. were really long, making nsinstall claim the files it was looking for didn't exist. When I replaced them with shorter absolute paths it worked: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/tests/mochitest/w3c/webapps/DOMCore/tests/submissions/Opera/Makefile.in?force=1
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  1406. # [22:15] <@smaug> I've asked this before, but what triggers creating a nightly build?
  1407. # [22:16] <catlee-away> the benevolent bot overlords
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  1410. # [22:17] <@smaug> catlee-away: meaning what? some random time ?
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  1412. # [22:17] <vikash> gerv: ping
  1413. # [22:17] <@smaug> first build after noon ?
  1414. # [22:17] <catlee-away> smaug: http://atlee.ca/blog/2010/12/08/better-nightly-builds/
  1415. # [22:17] <@smaug> catlee-away: thanks
  1416. # [22:17] <catlee-away> smaug: at around 3am PT they start
  1417. # [22:17] <@smaug> vikash: it is probably quite late for gerv
  1418. # [22:17] <catlee-away> and pick what seems like a good revision to build
  1419. # [22:17] <catlee-away> not necessarily the latest
  1420. # [22:18] <vikash> smaug: o.O thanks I wasn't aware of that
  1421. # [22:18] <@smaug> vikash: gerv is in GB
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  1423. # [22:22] <vikash> smaug: thanks
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  1452. # [22:56] <Asa> :( 520,841,764 B (34.35%) ── heap-unclassified
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  1455. # [22:58] <Asa> also, wtf?
  1456. # [22:58] <Asa> 136,410,928 B (09.00%) -- compartment(https://www.facebook.com/plugins/activity.php?site=zdnet.com&width=300&height=350&header=false&colorscheme=light&recommendations=false)
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  1458. # [22:58] <Asa> how is a facebook plugin taking up 136.5 MB?
  1459. # [22:58] <Optimizer> it takes upto 200 mb
  1460. # [22:58] <Optimizer> social plugins are really bad
  1461. # [22:59] <Optimizer> it can take upto 200 mb*
  1462. # [22:59] <Optimizer> there is a bug for it too
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  1464. # [23:01] <@smaug> Asa: do get bad CC times?
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  1466. # [23:01] <Optimizer> Asa: Bug 690229
  1467. # [23:02] <Optimizer> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690229
  1468. # [23:02] <Asa> smaug: I didn't check before restarting
  1469. # [23:02] <Asa> Optimizer: thanks!
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  1473. # [23:04] <@smaug> Asa: if you do still occasionally get bad CC times, could you please create cc log and send it to me and mccr8. Use the script in the first gray box: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance:Leak_Tools#Cycle_collector_heap_dump
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  1475. # [23:05] <Asa> smaug: will do. I did notice some pauses when playing with those eve online webgl space ships.
  1476. # [23:05] <Asa> didn't look to see if it was cc times
  1477. # [23:05] <@smaug> that could be gc
  1478. # [23:05] <Asa> ok
  1479. # [23:05] <@smaug> Asa: memchaser is a nice addon
  1480. # [23:05] <@smaug> it shows the latest gc and cc time
  1481. # [23:06] <Asa> ok. will grab that
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  1495. # [23:21] <edmorley> jrmuizel: REMOVE ALL THE THINGS! \o/ :-)
  1496. # [23:22] <jrmuizel> edmorley: hopefully I'll have more next week
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  1521. # [23:54] <edmorley> !seen smaug
  1522. # [23:54] <firebot> smaug was last seen 48 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying 'it shows the latest gc and cc time' in #developers.
  1523. # [23:55] <edmorley> oh well, better hope mercurial got it right... :-/
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