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# Session Start: Mon Apr 02 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:09] <njn> how do I select B2G builds only on the try server? I did a run selecting all the Linux builds and B2G didn't run
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# [00:12] <nthomas> I don't think that's set up yet. Please file a bug in mozilla.org :: Release Engineering: Developer Tools
# [00:13] <nthomas> it should block bug 719491
# [00:13] <KaiRo> wow google has even 8-bitted Street View
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# [00:13] <KaiRo> 8-bit OpenStreetMap city maps have been done a long time ago, but Google has done an awesome job on this
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# [00:22] <@khuey> this GlyphBufferAzure warning is really obnoxious
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# [00:29] <nthomas> njn: actually, does this work 'try: -b o -p linux -u none -t none' ?
# [00:29] <nthomas> oops, not that
# [00:29] <nthomas> try: -b o -p b2g -u none -t none
# [00:30] <nthomas> there's a patch on bug 720027 which adds that to the trychooser page
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# [00:51] <njn> nthomas: that's what I want, thanks!
# [00:51] <nthomas> np
# [00:52] * @khuey wonders how a site that is served over http can claim that its credit card submission is PCI compliant
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# [00:54] <@khuey> heh
# [00:54] <@khuey> it serves the CC submission stuff in a frame over https
# [00:54] <@khuey> this is so not secure
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# [00:56] <Jesse> which site?
# [00:56] <Jesse> last year pandora asked for my credit card on an http page
# [00:57] <@khuey> citycarshare.org
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# [01:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ba43d5d6a6c3 - Neil Rashbrook - Bug 738589 Avoid JavaScript strict warning by not explicitly passing the default value in r=gavin
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# [01:23] <NeilAway> darktrojan: do you know how long it takes to tear down and rebuild a compose window from scratch?
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# [01:23] <darktrojan> NeilAway, seems fine when I have to create a new one to test my changes
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# [01:27] <darktrojan> NeilAway, there should be a pref ;-)
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# [01:27] <NeilAway> darktrojan: what's wrong with mail.compose.max_recycled_windows?
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# [01:28] <darktrojan> NeilAway, that I didn't know about it, is what's wrong
# [01:29] <NeilAway> darktrojan: that's not my problem :-P
# [01:29] <darktrojan> it's not mine any more either :D
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# [01:30] <NeilAway> darktrojan: :-)
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# [01:34] <annonn> Hi, where can I find more information about Thunderbird ISPDB ?
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# [02:10] <tn> the wiki page says to use jdk 6 to build fennec. should it be 6 or 7? or does it matter?
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# [02:17] <heycam> nightlies should be up to version 14, yes?
# [02:17] <heycam> my desktop nightly is stuck on 13, it quickly downloads an update but when i click Apply Update and it restarts I'm still stuck on 13
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# [02:22] <nthomas> what does last-update.log say ?
# [02:23] <heycam> nthomas, where should that file be?
# [02:23] <nthomas> what OS do you have ?
# [02:23] <heycam> OSX
# [02:23] <nthomas> inside the .app at Contents/MacOS/updates/
# [02:23] <nthomas> or just update/
# [02:24] <heycam> ok found the file
# [02:24] <heycam> says "succeeded" on the second last line
# [02:25] <nthomas> could you pastebin the updates.xml for the parent dir ?
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# [02:26] <heycam> nthomas, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1550066
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# [02:26] <nthomas> wow, feb 11 build
# [02:27] <heycam> hmm is that how long my updates have been failing for? :)
# [02:29] <heycam> it's definitely not downloading 40MB each time i open the About window
# [02:32] <nthomas> might hit the cache
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# [02:33] <heycam> is it worth keeping it in this state and filing a bug, or should I just download a new nightly manually?
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# [02:34] <nthomas> so how about you rename that copy of the app and ask rs to help debug it, since it might help us understand why so many users download updates over and over again
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# [02:34] <nthomas> and for expediency in getting on grab a new copy to use
# [02:35] <heycam> ok
# [02:35] <nthomas> I'd love to see the whole of last-update.log too
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# [02:35] <nthomas> but probably need rob to figure it out
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# [02:35] <heycam> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1550074 is my last-update.log
# [02:36] <nthomas> thanks
# [02:36] <nthomas> looks completely fine
# [02:37] <heycam> what component should the bug live in?
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# [02:38] <nthomas> Toolkit: Application Update
# [02:38] <nthomas> might just be fallout from the various update changes on windows recently, I forget if mac was affected or not
# [02:41] <heycam> bug 741256 (cced you)
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# [04:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/447ede53509a - Kyle Huey - Bug 722671: Components.utils.getWeakReference should get a reference to the underlying native object if possible. r=mrbkap
# [04:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3e46009daea3 - Kyle Huey - Bug 722428: Fix leaks in mochitest by reworking SpecialPowers and nsDOMWindowUtils. r=mounir,ctalbert
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# [04:47] <@bz> roc: ping
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# [04:49] <@roc> hi
# [04:50] <@bz> do you have a few mins to talk about the principal stuff?
# [04:50] <@bz> Seems like this would work better than bugmail
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# [04:55] <@bz> roc: ^
# [04:56] <@roc> yes
# [04:56] <@roc> I just didn't think you'd be around on a Sunday
# [04:57] <@bz> roc: heh
# [04:57] <@bz> roc: the kids are in bed
# [04:57] <@bz> roc: Emma is doing homework
# [04:57] <@bz> roc: so... ;)
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# [04:57] <@roc> so
# [04:57] <@bz> roc: seriously, if you have time now, I'd be happy to talk about this stuff
# [04:57] <@roc> what do you think about my last comment?
# [04:57] <@bz> roc: trying to figure out the model here
# [04:57] <@bz> roc: so the idea is that each stream has a principal
# [04:58] <@bz> roc: this principal determines both what it can read from and who can read from it?
# [04:58] <@bz> roc: conceptually, anything it subsumes it can read from, and anything that subsumes it can read from it?
# [04:58] <@roc> "what it can read from is not constrained
# [04:59] <@bz> ok
# [04:59] <@bz> hmm
# [04:59] <@roc> I want to track what goes into the stream
# [04:59] <@bz> so the principal of the stream is only used to control who can read from it, then?
# [04:59] <@roc> yes
# [05:00] <@bz> one sec
# [05:01] <@bz> OK
# [05:01] <@bz> so in that case, using a system principal for a "no one should be able to read this" stream makes sense
# [05:01] <@bz> and a reader->Subsumes(stream_principal) check for the "can I read?" check
# [05:02] <@bz> And documenting the model next to the functions which set the principal, probably
# [05:03] <@roc> yes
# [05:03] <@bz> just in case someone wants to sometime base reading decisions on the principal
# [05:04] <@roc> the important thing is that no-one uses the stream's principal as the source of authority
# [05:04] <@bz> yes
# [05:04] <@bz> exactly
# [05:05] <@bz> For what it's worth....
# [05:06] <@bz> I wonder if at some point we want to add explicit join() and meet() on principals
# [05:06] <@bz> if b2g ever ends up needing non-system principals that subsume some limited set of content principals, so that we end up with a non-dumb lattice, then we should do it then
# [05:06] <@bz> and then in this code use the join()
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# [05:14] <@roc> I wouldn't use those words, it's unclear which direction the lattice goes
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# [05:16] <@bz> yeah
# [05:16] <@bz> well, we'd define it in the interface
# [05:16] <@bz> but yes, better names might be good too. ;)
# [05:16] <@bz> In any case, not relevant for now
# [05:17] <@bz> (the lattice goes in different directions depending on whether you're thinking object or subject, of course)
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# [05:42] <@roc> does the new DOM bindings work introduce support for WebIDL arrays?
# [05:44] <@khuey> not yet
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# [05:46] <@bz> roc: that's one of the high priorities
# [05:46] <@bz> roc: we need that for webgl for one thing
# [05:46] <@roc> cool
# [05:47] <@bz> roc: we punted on some things that xhr didn't need, if nothing else because writing code we couldn't test was a bit silly
# [05:47] <@bz> roc: (well, and we were kinda pressed on time)
# [05:47] <@khuey> "kinda"?
# [05:47] <@khuey> that's a pretty big understatement ;-)
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# [06:42] <BenWa> Do you need special access to mark an existing bug as a security? I can only see a checkbox for bugs that are already a security bug
# [06:43] <@khuey> you need to be a member of that group to do that
# [06:43] <@khuey> if you pm me a bug number I can mark it
# [06:44] <BenWa> great
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# [06:45] <w1n5t0n> the ever-helpful
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# [09:04] <Mavericks> upon typing info relevant to the URL(s)
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# [09:05] <KWierso> Mavericks: beyond https://developer.mozilla.org/en/The_Places_frecency_algorithm ?
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# [09:07] <Mavericks> KWierso: nice, thanks. I'm going through it now.
# [09:07] <KWierso> there's some people's names at the bottom of the page, you might be able to track down a few of them
# [09:08] <Mavericks> oh didn't see that know that now. thanks again. algorithm sounds fine
# [09:09] <glazou> oh lovely, my new MBP just gave me a black screen of death
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# [09:09] <KWierso> oh hey
# [09:09] <KWierso> 2am
# [09:09] <KWierso> :|
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# [09:10] <nigelb> glazou: fun!
# [09:12] <Mavericks> regardless of revisit, i'm starting to feel if basic functionality's missing. in case of of a twitter website. i'm trying "twitter <name"> or "twitter <twitterhandle>" in awesomebar . usually either should bring up the relevant item in the dropdown. for some, which I've visited more than once, it works fine but if I've visited it only once or thrice,
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# [09:13] <Mavericks> it's restricted to identify it by twitterhandle only. i just assumed it would consider searching document title too as it usually has the name in it besides the handle
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# [09:18] <KWierso> Mavericks: if you start your search with a "@", you'll restrict matching to the URL
# [09:18] <KWierso> start with a "#" to restrict matching to title
# [09:18] <KWierso> fwiw
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# [09:26] <Mavericks> KWierso: tried it but didn't help. If I've twitter.com/#!/xyz or xyz is the real name of the twitter handle. haha
# [09:26] <Mavericks> KWierso: #xyz should bring up the uri. some how it doesn't find it. if i do twitter.com/
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# [09:31] <Mavericks> KWierso: xyz or #!xyz ,sometimes it finds it but at times it doesn't.
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# [12:31] <avih> C++/NS question: object A has a RefPtr to object X. X callsback to A, and inside that callback, A should delete X. If A just sets the RefPtr to nsnull, can I be sure that X lives untill after the callback completes, and only then evaporates?
# [12:33] <avih> maybe i should AddRef before X calls A, and Release when it returns?
# [12:33] * Yoric is drawing that scenario.
# [12:33] <avih> thx
# [12:33] <Ms2ger> Well, "A should delete X" isn't a concept that works with refcounting
# [12:34] <Yoric> Definitely.
# [12:34] <Ms2ger> A can stop keeping X alive
# [12:34] <Ms2ger> It can't decide on its own to delete it
# [12:34] <avih> the case which I'm affraid of is there when the callback completes, X would be no more, so the return address may lead to crash
# [12:34] <Yoric> But I doubt that the callback keeps X alive, does it?
# [12:35] <Yoric> avih: I think that you are right, X might be no more.
# [12:35] <Ms2ger> So, if A is the last to hold onto X
# [12:36] * Yoric tries to determine if X being dead will cause a crash. Probably not.
# [12:36] <Ms2ger> And A sets its refptr to null, X will die immediately
# [12:36] <Ms2ger> So you want to make sure A isn't the last
# [12:37] <avih> Ms2ger: can I do that by seld AddRef from X before calling back A, and Release after it returns from the callback?
# [12:37] <avih> seld=self*
# [12:37] <Ms2ger> By doing nsRefPtr<typeofX> kungFuDeathGrip = this; A->callback(this);
# [12:37] <Ms2ger> Which does the addref/release, but more safely :)
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# [12:38] <avih> that won't help, the deathgrip will be released when the callback finishes
# [12:38] <avih> and X will be no more to return to..
# [12:38] <NeilAway> avih: who's passing X to the callback?
# [12:38] <avih> X callsback A, and A releases X inside that callback
# [12:39] <avih> (yes, not a very nice scenario.. but that's how it is.. probably)
# [12:39] <Ms2ger> What do you need to do after the callback returns?
# [12:40] <avih> err.. nothing?
# [12:40] <tbsaunde> avih: well, its scary land, but returninging into a function who's this points to a freed object isn't necessarily a crash, but you need to be very careful about use after frees
# [12:40] <Ms2ger> If you don't touch any member variables, it's fine
# [12:41] <Ms2ger> But if someone later adds code that does touch them, you're in trouble
# [12:41] <NeilAway> in particular X::Foo(A* a) { a->Bar(); } where a happens to delete x is fine.
# [12:41] <avih> tbsaunde: it's probably not a crash because the bits are still there, though probably alst back at the OS pool. I'm asking if {AddRef(); Callback(A); Release();} is reasonable
# [12:41] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [12:41] <Ms2ger> And that's equivalent to my code :)
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# [12:43] <avih> Ms2ger: it is. yes, sorry, i didn't read it carefully enough. i thought the deathgrip is INSIDE the callback. equivalent indeed. so is deathgrip better than AddRef/Release?
# [12:44] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [12:44] <Ms2ger> Calling AddRef/Release directly is frowned upon because it's so error-prone
# [12:44] <avih> indeed it is.
# [12:44] <avih> ok, thx guys :)
# [12:44] <Mavericks> avih: yes the object still exists or doesn't have a ref.
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# [12:45] <Mavericks> avih: bits but its safe as long as no one touches them later as Ms2ger
# [12:45] <Ms2ger> avih, note that in debug builds, we will fill the freed memory width 0x5a5a5a5a
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# [12:46] <avih> Ms2ger: didn't know that, but sounds good. so if i don't use deathgrip, it would crash, right?
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# [12:47] <Mavericks> avih: why would it crash ?
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# [12:47] <Ms2ger> It will only crash if you touch any member variables
# [12:47] <Ms2ger> But it's still fishy
# [12:47] <avih> because A holds the last ref to X, and if A releases X, then X dies, and the mem of 0xa5a5a5, and the return address is crash...
# [12:48] <avih> maybe not crash, but not good practicve either.
# [12:48] <avih> practice*
# [12:48] <avih> anyway, got the point. thx :)
# [12:49] <Mavericks> reminds me of memory leak. i don't tink it will crash. as long as u don't call destructor of X
# [12:49] <Mavericks> np
# [12:49] <Mavericks> or as Ms2ger if member variables are accessed
# [12:49] <avih> i'll add some debug prints to see when X actually DTORs
# [12:50] <avih> but i do have better grasp of RefPtrs now :)
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# [12:50] <Mavericks> heh me too. didn't know nsRefPtr is a safe way to do until Ms2ger mentioned it. thanks :)
# [12:50] <avih> :)
# [12:50] <Ms2ger> Np :)
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# [13:03] <avih> tbsaunde: re scary land of returning to a function at a released object, while the actual code would probably be there and hence should be ok if not touching members, the OS/Compiler are not forced to keep the code there, right?
# [13:04] <Mavericks> avih: did you try the debug prints ? would be interested to know
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# [13:05] <avih> Mavericks: i have, they don't show anything extraordinary. i.e. works as expected (if you followed this discussion)
# [13:05] <tbsaunde> avih: well, I don't know what you mean forced to keep the code there
# [13:06] <avih> tbsaunde: i mean, that on some optimization cases, the compiler/OS might decides it swapps out chunks of unused code, at which case the return address might contain some unrelated function code. theoretically
# [13:06] <tbsaunde> the code for the methods is loaded at the start of your program and stays where ever it was loaded until the program ends
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# [13:07] <tbsaunde> avih: is this the real world, or what the spec says?
# [13:07] <avih> all the system which i know of indeed do that. but on very tight ram cases, i think other approaches are not neccessarily impossible
# [13:07] <tbsaunde> I'm not sure what the spec says off hand
# [13:07] <decoder> anyone familiar with mac dylibs and ld can tell me what the different values of -undefined mean? -undefined error is clear, throws an error when a dylib has undefined symbols
# [13:08] <avih> and i agree, the spec is the refuge here. but deathgrip would do ;)
# [13:08] <decoder> but what is the difference between -undefined warn and -undefined dynamic_lookup
# [13:08] <tbsaunde> it might be possible, but usually you want your code to be marked read only so doing that would be rather ackward
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# [13:10] <tbsaunde> it would also make things like function pointers really tricky, so I would say your pretty safe in assuming code won't get moved around at run time
# [13:10] <avih> tbsaunde: yeah, sounds reasonable :)
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# [13:10] <avih> who needs specs when there's common sense ;)
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# [13:27] <avih> btw, what's the recommended firefox andrios version for now? nightly? aurora? just got a new tablet (1.2Ghz, 1G ram, 1024x768, Android 2.35) and would like to try it out
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# [13:27] <avih> firefox android*
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# [13:28] <Unfocused> nightly is pretty stable, though you don't get the tablet-specific ui
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# [13:29] <Unfocused> run that and file bugs against it :)
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# [13:30] <gcp> for normal use on a tablet, release or beta are fine
# [13:30] <gcp> without the tablet ui, not much fun imho
# [13:30] <avih> just installed aurora. first time it didn't pop the kb when i selected the address bar
# [13:31] <avih> after changing focus few times, it did
# [13:31] <avih> what's "tablet ui"?
# [13:31] <Unfocused> tabs on the side, always visible
# [13:31] <gcp> http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2011/12/20/new-firefox-for-android-experience-optimized-for-tablets/
# [13:31] <gcp> you can slide them in or out, actually
# [13:32] <avih> so auroda doesn't have it yet?
# [13:32] <avih> aurora*
# [13:32] <Unfocused> release/beta/aurora has the tablet ui, nightly doesn't
# [13:32] <gcp> not sure about aurora, but in nightly android is essentially a new browser and it doesn't have tablet-specific ui yet
# [13:32] <avih> me like.. much faster than the built in browser :)
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# [13:32] <avih> especially scrolling.. :)
# [13:33] <avih> so how do i get the tabs on aurora? tried to swipe from the sides.. nothing happens
# [13:33] <gcp> does your UI look like in that video?
# [13:33] <avih> HW accelaration on zoom.. nice :)
# [13:33] <gcp> or do you just get an address bar and nothing else?
# [13:34] <avih> i see the address bar
# [13:34] <avih> on the right side is has a nice curvy edge, where there's a "+"
# [13:34] <gcp> ah, this is the new native fennec
# [13:34] <gcp> it has no tablet UI
# [13:35] <avih> i see
# [13:35] <gcp> https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/latest-mozilla-aurora-android-xul/fennec-13.0a2.multi.android-arm.apk
# [13:35] <avih> well.. the performance are really nice :) i see it goes woth the opera approach to separation of rendering from ui
# [13:35] <avih> with*
# [13:35] <avih> and the HW acceleration really pays off :)
# [13:35] <Unfocused> er, really? i thought aurora was still xul
# [13:35] <avih> well done
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# [13:36] <avih> so, a question, how do i get to the bottom of a very long page?
# [13:36] <gcp> avih: the old UI was in HTML/CSS/Javascript. The problem was that this loads too slowly on Android.
# [13:36] <avih> do i swipe untill i get tired?
# [13:37] <gcp> on a tablet though, this is much less of an issue compared to a phone
# [13:37] <gcp> Unfocused: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms/Android#New_in_Firefox_13_.28Aurora.29
# [13:37] <Yoric> What could cause "Assertion failure: addr % Cell::CellSize == 0, at ../../../dist/include/jsgc.h:861 " ?
# [13:37] <Yoric> (that's in a mochitest)
# [13:37] <Ms2ger> That's no good
# [13:37] <decoder> Yoric: a gc corruption for example
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# [13:38] <gcp> avih: it was actually in multiple processes. the only difference you see really is that the new one has an Android gui. And android loads android guis much faster :P
# [13:38] <decoder> Yoric: if this isnt caused by a patch of yours, file a bug :)
# [13:38] <decoder> these can be quite dangerous
# [13:38] <Yoric> Well, I assume this is caused by a patch of mine.
# [13:38] <Unfocused> gcp: yea. huh.
# [13:38] <Yoric> But I have no clue how, so far.
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# [13:38] <Unfocused> cos... native fennec isn't on the rapid release train
# [13:39] <decoder> Yoric: try to step through the assertion and see if it crashes. if it crashes e.g. on 0xdada.. then you likely forgot to root something
# [13:39] <decoder> just a guess
# [13:39] <Yoric> How do I step through a mochitest ?
# [13:39] <decoder> you know how to start it in gdb?
# [13:40] <Ms2ger> EXTRA_TEST_ARGS='-debugger=gdb'
# [13:40] <Yoric> Thanks.
# [13:40] <Ms2ger> Or --debugger, maybe
# [13:40] <Yoric> decoder: no, I didn't :)
# [13:40] <decoder> it's --debugger
# [13:40] <Ms2ger> I blame firefox using single dashes
# [13:40] <decoder> :D
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# [13:42] <Yoric> Ok, found the problem.
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# [13:42] <Yoric> Actually, I had fixed that issue already, but forgotten to re-push that patch on my queue after some qqueue juggling.
# [13:43] <Ms2ger> Yeah, yeah ;)
# [13:44] <NeilAway> well, mq sucks like that
# [13:44] <Yoric> er... or not
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# [13:45] <Yoric> Somehow, things don't work quite as well when I do the opposite :)
# [13:45] <Unfocused> coding in RTL?
# [13:46] <Yoric> It seems that I am, but my compiler isn't :)
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# [13:49] <avih> back. so, android aurora. font rendering is not as good as the native browser
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# [13:49] <avih> i think the native browser has subpixel AA, while firefox doesn't on andrios
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# [13:50] <avih> also, when i connect an extrenal KB, up/down arrows scroll not-smoothly, and page up/down don't work, and home does nothing, and end puts the tablet to sleep :)
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# [13:51] <Unfocused> avih: may i introduce you to http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi ;)
# [13:51] <avih> :)
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# [13:51] <avih> that's very kind of you ;)
# [13:51] * Unfocused has no idea whether anything is filed or not
# [13:51] <Unfocused> subpixel AA probably is
# [13:52] <avih> well.. i'll play around. just got this tablet today, and it's my first andriod device. might as well upgrade to ICS, i have the firmware already..
# [13:53] <avih> 8" 1024x760 is a really nice form factor
# [13:53] <avih> 768*
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# [14:29] <Ms2ger> nsRefPtr<nsXULTreeAccessible> treeAcc = do_QueryObject(accessible);
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# [14:33] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: what about it?
# [14:33] <Ms2ger> Hadn't seen the pattern before
# [14:34] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: oh, weird
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# [14:35] <espindola> Enn, do you agree with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739674#c9 ?
# [14:35] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, MOZ_ASSERT(false, "msg"), I think
# [14:35] <tbsaunde> how else do people downcast to concrete types when they have way other than xpcom?
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# [14:36] <Ms2ger> dynamic_cast? :)
# [14:37] <Ms2ger> So, nobody's going to file toolkit/components/passwordmgr/test/test_privbrowsing.html?
# [14:37] <Enn> espindola: what do you want me to agree with? It's a debugging patch, right?
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# [14:38] <espindola> Enn, no with the assessment on why the second patch would fail on windows
# [14:38] <espindola> or with the extra checks on linux too
# [14:38] <espindola> and if so, what should we do? Should we go with the original patch?
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# [14:38] <espindola> should we try too call mMatchMap.Enumerate(DestroyMatchList, &mPool) in both paths?
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# [14:45] <Enn> espindola: I don't think mMapMatch / DestroyMatchList accesses the queryprocessor.
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# [14:46] <Enn> espindola: oh wait, i see where it does
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# [14:54] <Enn> espindola: what about my suggestion of adding a version of UninitFalse that sets the query processor to null afterwards?
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# [14:58] <espindola> Enn, not sure I follow. With the patch we set the processor to null in nsXULTemplateBuilder::ContentRemoved
# [14:58] <espindola> which comes first
# [14:58] <Enn> espindola: I meant, instead set it in a copy of UninitFalse
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# [14:59] <espindola> Enn, so your suggestion is to not set it in nsXULTemplateBuilder::ContentRemoved
# [15:00] <Enn> yes
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# [15:00] <espindola> why do we need a copy of UninitFalse?
# [15:00] <espindola> the patch already does
# [15:00] <espindola> 3
# [15:00] <espindola> 244 // Setting mQueryProcessor to null will close connections. This would be
# [15:00] <espindola> 245 // handled by the cycle collector, but we want to close them earlier.
# [15:00] <Enn> either of your suggesstions is probably ok though
# [15:00] <espindola> 246 if (aIsFinal)
# [15:00] <espindola> 247 mQueryProcessor = nsnull;
# [15:01] <espindola> Enn, ok. I will try running mMatchMap.Enumerate(DestroyMatchList, &mPool) in nsXULTemplateBuilder::ContentRemoved
# [15:01] <espindola> if we can delete stuff earlier, that is nice
# [15:01] <espindola> thanks
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# [15:02] <Enn> espindola: as long as no assertions come up it should be ok
# [15:02] <Enn> espindola: for example, bug 553808
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# [15:48] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: ok.
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# [15:51] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, looks like you got comment 200 in the ruby bug :)
# [15:54] <glandium> jlebar|away: ping
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# [15:54] <jlebar> glandium, ack
# [15:55] <glandium> jlebar: so, I've taken a deeper look at decommit, and it seems to me we don't really need it, provided we do something on windows that would be equivalent to the madvise
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# [15:57] <glandium> jlebar: also, for double purge on mac, i'm wondering, considering ehsan's measurements that madvise is expensive, if we just couldn't mmap(MAP_FIXED) new anonymous memory instead of madvise(MADV_FREE)
# [15:57] <jlebar> glandium, To the first point, yes, I think I agree.
# [15:58] <jlebar> glandium, Although we might need the equivalent of double_purge on Windows too.
# [15:58] <jlebar> glandium, It's just a matter of what's faster, decommit or windows-madvise.
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# [15:59] <jlebar> glandium, To the second point, we could definitely get rid of madvise, but then, it's just decommit, no?
# [15:59] <jlebar> glandium, I thought ehsan tested with decommit and it wasn't any better.
# [15:59] <jlebar> glandium, I thought the problem was walking the page table is slow, so anything we do that synchronously walks the page table is going to be problematic in the same way.
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# [16:00] <glandium> jlebar: in principle that would make mmap just as slow as madvise, except that it would make us have the right rss without requesting for it
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# [16:01] <glandium> which would be better imho, since it wouldn't be only tied to about:memory being opened
# [16:01] <jlebar> glandium, Yes, it would obviate the need for double-purge. In theory, madvise was supposed to be faster than mmap, because madvise asynchronously throws away the memory.
# [16:01] <glandium> apparently, that's not true on osx
# [16:01] <jlebar> glandium, That's not what ehsan's data proves.
# [16:01] <@bz_sleep> bjacob: ping
# [16:01] <jlebar> glandium, Do you have other data?
# [16:02] <glandium> jlebar: no, i was basing my conclusion on ehsan's
# [16:02] <jlebar> glandium, Remember, ehsan turned on malloc_decommit and it was just as slow.
# [16:02] <glandium> jlebar: which furthers my point that mmap would be just as bad
# [16:03] <@ehsan> glandium: in my measurements, munmap was similarly slow
# [16:03] <glandium> or, not better
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# [16:03] <glandium> but it wouldn't be worse
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# [16:03] <jlebar> glandium, How do you know it wouldn't be worse?
# [16:03] <jlebar> glandium, It might not be worse, but I don't believe we have that data.
# [16:03] <@ehsan> it's kind of hard to compare the two
# [16:03] <glandium> jlebar: decommit does mmap, and i don't think that was slower
# [16:04] <@ehsan> given the fact that I don't have a reliable way of reproducing the perf issue
# [16:04] <jlebar> glandium, I do not think we have data comparing the relative speed of mmap and madvise. We just no qualitatively that decommit did not fix ehsan's problem.
# [16:04] <glandium> ehsan: did you try microbenchmarking alloc/deallocations ?
# [16:04] <jlebar> s/no/know
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# [16:05] <@ehsan> glandium: no
# [16:05] <glandium> I'll try that then
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# [16:06] <@ehsan> ok, cool
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# [16:06] <bjacob> bz_sleep: pong
# [16:06] <glandium> ehsan: btw, if you want to test jemalloc2, I'm going to attach my current patch queue to bug 580408
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# [16:07] <jlebar> glandium, You might as well push to try with decommit on, too, so we can see if it affects our benchmarks.
# [16:07] <@ehsan> glandium: I'll try to give that a shot, but it may be a few days before I get to do that
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# [16:07] <jimm> anyone know the url to our telemetry site?
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# [16:07] <jlebar> jimm, metrics.mozilla.com
# [16:07] <lmandel> jimm: mzl.la/telemetrydash
# [16:08] <jimm> ldap for login?
# [16:08] <lmandel> jimm: telemetry/mozilla
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# [16:08] <jimm> ah, cool thx
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# [16:08] <@bz> bjacob: do you have a sec?
# [16:08] <glandium> jlebar: i want to test on jemalloc2, where there is no decommit support, and we agree we don't need it :)
# [16:08] <bjacob> bz: yes
# [16:09] <hsivonen> why don't we have a "Close Tab" menu item in the File menu on Windows?
# [16:09] <jlebar> glandium, On jemalloc2, how exactly are you handing memory back to the OS? You're just going to mmap on top of the existing mapping?
# [16:09] <glandium> hsivonen: it's not on any platform fwiw
# [16:10] <hsivonen> glandium: isn't not having it on Mac against the HIG?
# [16:10] <@bz> bjacob: so I'm starting some initial steps to hook up new bindings to webgl
# [16:10] <glandium> jlebar: we only enable decommit on windows
# [16:10] <jlebar> glandium, On jemalloc2.
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# [16:10] <@bz> bjacob: one of the things that will need is for the webglcontext to expose the APIs the new binding code expects
# [16:10] <jlebar> glandium, You're proposing replacing linux's MADV_DONTNEED with what?
# [16:10] <jlebar> for Mac.
# [16:10] <@bz> bjacob: any reason I shouldn't work on that today, say, and then try to get that reviewed and landed?
# [16:11] <glandium> jlebar: mmap
# [16:11] <glandium> jlebar: at least, that's what i want to try
# [16:11] <@bz> bjacob: before we have the binding stuff hooked up (that needs a bit more work on the codegen and parser)
# [16:11] <jlebar> glandium, You're just going to mmap on top of the existing mapping?
# [16:11] <jlebar> glandium, Or are you going to munmap first?
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# [16:11] <@bz> bjacob: note that this change will involve a bit of refactoring of all the existing code
# [16:11] <glandium> jlebar: only mmap
# [16:11] <@bz> bjacob: but should be pretty mechanical....
# [16:11] * jlebar did not know that was allowed.
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# [16:11] <glandium> jlebar: that's what MAP_FIXED is for
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# [16:12] <bjacob> bz: no, on the contrary, now is a great time as we are done with recent major changes in webgl impl and so your changes won't break too many patches
# [16:12] <jlebar> glandium, Ah, indeed, I see that.
# [16:12] <@bz> bjacob: perfect
# [16:12] <jlebar> glandium, Okay, interesting. We'll see!
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# [16:12] <bjacob> bz: thanks!
# [16:12] * jlebar does not expect this will be an improvement, but who knows. :)
# [16:12] <bjacob> commuting
# [16:12] <@bz> bjacob: I won't be able to change everything (due to those pending parser changes), but I can do most of it
# [16:12] <@bz> bjacob: thanks!
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# [16:14] <glandium> jlebar: i don't expect it to be an improvement. I expect if not to be worse than madvise, while making the RSS straight without double purge
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# [16:14] <glandium> s/if/it/
# [16:14] <jlebar> glandium, Sure, that could be.
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# [16:15] <jlebar> glandium, But we may still need double-purge on Windows, if MEM_RESET works like MADV_FREE rather than MADV_DONTNEED. :)
# [16:15] <jlebar> glandium, Unless you have a MAP_FIXED trick for Windows.
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# [16:15] <c0smikdebris> bz: ping
# [16:15] <c0smikdebris> do you mind if I PM you?
# [16:16] <glandium> jlebar: i'll see that when i get to windows :)
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# [16:31] <@bz> bjacob: I just sent some mail to the list about bufferData/bufferSubData
# [16:31] <@bz> bjacob: in case you happen to know the answers
# [16:31] <@bz> bjacob: for now I'm just randomly hacking the idl to make it valid, but it'd be nice if my random hack matched reality; saves work in the long run. ;)
# [16:33] <Ms2ger> You'll need to add ?s all over the place too
# [16:33] <lduros> bz: thanks much for taking the time to look into that tracinglistener issue on bugzilla... btw
# [16:36] <@bz> lduros: no problem
# [16:36] <@bz> Ms2ger: I will?
# [16:36] <@bz> Ms2ger: right now my problem is too many '?'!
# [16:36] <Ms2ger> Oh?
# [16:37] <Ms2ger> Hmm, looks like that has been fixed since I last touched webgl
# [16:37] <@bz> void bufferSubData(unsigned long target, long long offset, ArrayBufferView? data);
# [16:37] <@bz> void bufferSubData(unsigned long target, long long offset, ArrayBuffer? data);
# [16:37] <@bz> Not valid WebIDL there
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# [16:38] <Ms2ger> void bufferSubData(unsigned long target, long long offset, (ArrayBufferView or ArrayBuffer)? data);
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# [16:38] <Ms2ger> Not sure why heycam|away thought that was so unreadable
# [16:38] <@bz> Ms2ger: <shrug>
# [16:38] <@bz> Ms2ger: fwiw, we don't support unions in our parser yet
# [16:39] <@bz> Ms2ger: but that doesn't matter here, of course
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# [16:40] <Ms2ger> Apparently if I have a dict keyed on file path, using "webapps/WebStorage/tests/submissions/Infraware/test_storage_local_getitem_js.html": {} when the test is in submissions/Ms2ger won't work
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# [16:42] <@bz> void uniform1fv(WebGLUniformLocation? location, Float32Array v);
# [16:42] <@bz> void uniform1fv(WebGLUniformLocation? location, float[] v);
# [16:42] * @bz ponders
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# [16:43] <Ms2ger> Also, why oh why did the WebGL guys want their own integer types
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# [16:43] <Ms2ger> bz, unions? ;)
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# [16:43] <@bz> Ms2ger: what about unions?
# [16:43] <@bz> Ms2ger: as for why they wanted them... copy/paste from gl headers
# [16:44] <@bz> ms2ger: they don't even use half of them
# [16:44] <Ms2ger> Even better
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# [16:48] <@bz> man
# [16:48] <@bz> just getting this WebIDL to be valid is going to be a battle
# [16:48] <@bz> possibly involving more changes to the overload resolution algorithm. :(
# [16:49] <Ms2ger> mochitest-plain passed
# [16:49] <Ms2ger> Woo
# [16:49] <glazou> bz: in short, you're saying it's going to be Operation Overload ? (sorry could not resist)
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# [16:51] <Ms2ger> glazou, hmm, April Fools isn't over yet? :)
# [16:52] <glazou> eheh
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# [16:54] <@bz> glazou: nope
# [16:54] <@bz> glazou: I mean what I say and I say what I mean
# [16:54] <@bz> glazou: like Humpty-Dumpty
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# [16:56] <@bz> bjacob: pong?
# [16:56] <@bz> bjacob: er, ping?
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# [16:58] <glazou> bz: you could have paraphrased General McAulligh in Bastogne and answered "Nuts!" :-)
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# [17:22] <firebot> Check-in:
# [17:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/85a31c1e4963 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 739927. (Av2) dom-level*-*/DOMTestCase.js: Fix SimpleTest._logResult() override + testFails() + markTodos(), Fake a missing warn() function in checkInitialization(), Add
# [17:22] <firebot> missing early returns to assertSize() and assertURIEquals(). r=jmaher.
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# [17:32] <avih> in C++ code, in an event callback (specifically, to a refresh observer), is there a good reason not to use the provided timestamp argument and instead use TimeStamp::Now()?
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# [17:33] <glandium> ehsan: what's the instrument from the library you used in instruments for the madvise thing?
# [17:33] <glandium> ehsan: (it's my first time using instruments)
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# [17:34] <@ehsan> glandium: use Time Profiler
# [17:34] <@ehsan> that gives you a regular sampling CPU profiler
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# [17:35] <@bz> avih: well, they would be different times
# [17:35] <@bz> avih: which one you want to use depends on which one you want, right?
# [17:35] <avih> bz: due to events queue possibly being long?
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# [17:36] <@bz> avih: The argument passed to the refresh callback is the sample time
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# [17:36] <avih> bz: you're right, and using Now() would be more appropriate. thank you rubber duck ;)
# [17:37] <@bz> avih: in particular, if the refresh driver timeline is frozen this value won't advance
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# [17:37] <@bz> avih: and if you want to synchronize the thing you're doing with the document timeline of SMIL and transitions and such you want to use the passed-in time
# [17:37] <@bz> avih: no problem. ;)
# [17:37] <avih> bz: i see, which enforces the Now() argument even more... thx :)
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# [17:38] <glandium> ehsan, jlebar: wow, mmap(MAP_FIXED) does bring the rss down, but it's pathetically slow
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# [17:38] <glandium> and even saying that is an understatement
# [17:38] <@ehsan> slower than madvise(free)?
# [17:39] <jlebar> glandium, lol. This gives me a lot of confidence in the OSX kernel.
# [17:39] <NeilAway> glazou: lol
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# [17:40] <glandium> jlebar: it's also slower on linux, but really not as slow
# [17:40] <glandium> ehsan: yes
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# [17:40] <avih> bz: btw, with the refresh driver invalidation bug landed (some time ago now), invalidations (and as a derivative, screen updates), are now limited to intervals derived from layout.frame_rate (or 60 of -1). Specifically, to 17ms by default, correct?
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# [17:42] <@bz> avih: that's the idea, yes
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# [17:43] <avih> bz: and before that bug, invalidations could happen as frequently as layout changes are made (if disregarding optimizations of series of changes)?
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# [17:43] <@bz> avih: yes
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# [17:43] <avih> bz: thx.
# [17:44] <WeirdAl> Hey, guys - who maintains XULRunner these days?
# [17:44] <Ms2ger> What makes you think someone does? :)
# [17:44] <avih> bz: you might want to watch bug 728738
# [17:44] <WeirdAl> Ms2ger: blind hope? :)
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# [17:44] <@bz> abandon hope all ye who enter there
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# [17:45] <glandium> jlebar: it's like maybe twice as slow on linux, but it's like 60 times as slow on osx
# [17:45] * WeirdAl chuckles
# [17:45] <WeirdAl> I've got a couple of problems, and a couple of ideas.
# [17:46] <WeirdAl> maybe if I write a patch, I can drag khuey in...
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# [17:46] <@bz> avih: hmm
# [17:46] <glandium> WeirdAl: or me
# [17:46] <avih> bz: indeed
# [17:46] <glandium> WeirdAl: depends for what, though
# [17:46] <WeirdAl> glandium: any help I can get, I'll take
# [17:46] <WeirdAl> stand by, I'm writing up my thoughts for a pastebin
# [17:47] <avih> bz: specifically, comment 34 onwards
# [17:47] <@bz> avih: yes
# [17:47] <@bz> avih: so wait
# [17:47] <@bz> avih: how does smoothscroll determine the position to paint at?
# [17:47] <Ms2ger> Why did thunderbird just decide to select everything in my inbox?
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# [17:48] <sheppy> It's trying to give you an excuse for "accidentally" deleting everything.
# [17:48] <avih> bz: that's unrelated to the glitch. but it does so by registering start time, and then sets the position on each callback according to Now(), where this delta is fed into a spline function.
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# [17:49] <@bz> avih: ok
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# [17:49] <glazou> sheppy: lol
# [17:49] <@bz> avih: so this is really a matter of not matching the monitor refresh, not of how the position is actually updated
# [17:49] <avih> bz: yes
# [17:49] <@bz> avih: one "obvious" solution is to sync up the refresh driver to monitor refresh
# [17:49] <dougt> jdm, +1
# [17:49] <@bz> avih: somehow
# [17:49] <dougt> nice work helping Veeraya out.
# [17:50] <dougt> always good to see new contributors.
# [17:50] <jdm> yep
# [17:50] <avih> bz: sure, that's the best approach by far. but i added few more. e.g. 1. use faster frequency instead of 60. 2. use more accurate timer. that's at comment 34
# [17:50] <Ms2ger> sheppy, pff, why'd I want to do that? It's only 37.5k emails
# [17:51] <sheppy> Ms2ger: Oh, then you have no worries at all.
# [17:51] <@bz> avih: seems like a pain, esp given that refresh driver can run arbitrarily long script
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# [17:51] <@bz> avih: using faster frequency means doing a lot more work (mostly unnecessary)
# [17:51] <avih> bz: sure and sure.
# [17:51] <@bz> avih: using a more accurate timer would be nice, but we don't have one
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# [17:52] <@bz> avih: I hate this stuff. ;)
# [17:52] <Ms2ger> s/this stuff/the web/? :)
# [17:52] <@bz> no, just user-perception stuff
# [17:52] <avih> bz: we can simulate high res timer by using oneshots with a compensation mechanssm, such that we fire in ms resolution, but on average it any arbotrary interval we choose. not impossible.
# [17:52] <@bz> I can hate the web on a separate occasion
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# [17:53] <@bz> avih: we could try; that's sort of what timerimpl does. Just badly
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# [17:53] <glandium> ehsan, jlebar: so in fact it looks like i'm hitting a pretty bad exponential behaviour in osx VM, and that if I use less intense values (i was mmapping a million pages), madvise and mmap are much closer
# [17:53] <jdm> ah, yes, the timerimpl heuristics
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# [17:53] <avih> bz: yes, it's on my todo list to look into the timer code..
# [17:53] <Ms2ger> Ah, XPCOM
# [17:53] <Ms2ger> avih, brave man
# [17:53] <@bz> avih: awesome
# [17:53] <avih> heh
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# [17:53] <avih> just look ;)
# [17:54] <avih> it's like, i hear chinese just great!
# [17:54] <WeirdAl> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1550745
# [17:54] <jdm> why are mozilla15 and mozilla16 valid milestones at this point? o.o
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# [17:54] <WeirdAl> on point #1, I'd be willing to lend a big hand
# [17:54] <Ms2ger> jdm, we always have them two released forward
# [17:54] <WeirdAl> my Python fu could use the exercise
# [17:55] <avih> bz: anyway, thx for the confirmations to my observations.
# [17:55] <Ms2ger> releases*
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# [17:55] <avih> (couldn't bring myself to read all the patch of refresh invalidations bug..)
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# [17:56] <Ms2ger> jdm, because at the start of RR, we once ended up needing to find bmo guys on merge day to add the new TM
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# [17:56] <glandium> WeirdAl: file a bug for #2
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# [17:57] <WeirdAl> I will
# [17:57] <glandium> WeirdAl: what version is that ?
# [17:57] <WeirdAl> Mozilla Aurora
# [17:58] <WeirdAl> oh, I forgot my mozconfig :|
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# [17:58] <WeirdAl> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1550747 mozconfig
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# [18:01] <glandium> WeirdAl: you can mark that bug you file for #2 as a regression from bug 706186
# [18:01] <WeirdAl> roger that
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# [18:02] <WeirdAl> on #1, it might be even easier than I thought - there's apparently already a plistlib module available... Do you think Mozilla would accept a Python script for that?
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# [18:03] <glandium> WeirdAl: the problem i can see with that is that while python is a requirement for the xulrunner sdk, it's not for xulrunner
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# [18:05] <WeirdAl> a fair point... I'm working in the sdk land
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# [18:06] <WeirdAl> I might try writing it anyway
# [18:06] <WeirdAl> but I need some logging from install-app
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# [18:26] <romaxa_> bsmedberg: ping
# [18:26] <@bsmedberg> romaxa_: pong
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# [18:29] <romaxa_> bsmedberg: Hi, I'm trying to make in-process embedding work without using internal mozilla widget, and for that I need to export rendering API's for LayerManager functionality (because layer manager is internal API only), is it ok to export some function like XRE_GetEmbedHelperObject which return MozEmbedHelper class with vith related functionality (similar to XRE_GetGlobalJSChildObject)?
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# [18:30] <romaxa_> bsmedberg: XRE_GetChildGlobalObject,
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# [18:31] <romaxa_> bsmedberg: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/build/nsXULAppAPI.h#434
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# [18:31] <@bsmedberg> romaxa_: in theory that sounds ok, the devil is of course in the details of what that object does, and it will definitely need a better name
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# [18:32] <@bsmedberg> but the specifics of that are mainly up to the reviewer, who should be one of the layer manager peers
# [18:32] <romaxa_> bsmedberg: yep, sure
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# [18:34] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, do you know something about nsExceptionService?
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# [18:35] <@bsmedberg> Ms2ger: something yes.
# [18:35] <Ms2ger> Do we want to keep it?
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# [18:35] <@bsmedberg> I suspect probably not
# [18:36] <Ms2ger> I suspected so too
# [18:36] <@bsmedberg> we should be able to compile in almost everything we care about
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# [18:36] <@bsmedberg> I have not spent a lot of time thinking about the consequences of that decision, though.
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# [18:37] <@bsmedberg> So it's worth asking on dev.platform before writing a lot of code. In case mailnews registers exception providers, for example.
# [18:37] <Ms2ger> Looks like they don't
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# [18:37] <Ms2ger> But yes, makes sense
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# [18:46] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: who uses it?
# [18:46] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, DOM exceptions
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# [18:49] <@bz> we should certainly stop using it for DOM exceptions
# [18:49] <@bz> imho
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# [18:49] <@bz> but I'm biased by having had to debug the exception stuff in the past and wishing it were sane
# [18:49] <Ms2ger> :)
# [18:49] <Ms2ger> You mean setting up an observer to create them is not sane? :)
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# [18:51] <Fallen> Ms2ger: I was thinking about actually using it at some point, because it could allow me to give the calendar error codes names
# [18:52] <Fallen> well, not names, descriptions
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# [18:53] <Fallen> (without the need to pass it in each time I throw something)
# [18:53] <Ms2ger> Mm
# [18:53] <Fallen> I guess I could just create a helper function though, that we would use everywhere
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# [18:54] <Ms2ger> I don't mind providing something to let you do that
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# [18:54] <Ms2ger> I just rather not have it be ten layers of overgeneral xpcom :)
# [18:54] <Fallen> agreed
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# [18:55] <Ms2ger> See you
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# [18:58] <Ms2ger> I-what?
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# [19:00] <sheppy> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration
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# [19:01] <sheppy> xsergio: as far as I know, that's all we have right now.
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# [19:01] <jlebar> glandium, Sorry, was in a meeting. 1 million pages doesn't sound too unreasonable, fwiw.
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# [19:02] <jlebar> glandium, Or at least, 250,000 pages is getting into reasonable territory.
# [19:02] <xsergio> sheppy, ok thanks
# [19:02] <spartan> anyone know what this might mean? => http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1550801
# [19:02] <sheppy> xsergio: you might try asking in #maildev.
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# [19:09] <NeilAway> Fallen: isn't that the error service, rather than the exception service?
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# [19:13] <jhford-buildduty> hmm, i am having trouble loading tbpl. is anyone else?
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# [19:13] <Ms2ger> Stuck on loading here too
# [19:14] <Ms2ger> Ah, got it
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# [19:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d2612e79e456 - Blake Kaplan - Bug 736096 - Reprioritize networks when the priorities get too high to prevent overflow. r=cjones
# [19:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f4fe6a118139 - Blake Kaplan - Bug 736096 - Don't pretend we have values that we didn't successfully
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# [19:21] * @bz mutters about roc being right again
# [19:22] <Ms2ger> Hmm?
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# [19:22] <@bz> Ms2ger: http://robert.ocallahan.org/2011/06/some-advice_14.html
# [19:23] <Ms2ger> Truth
# [19:23] <@ted> yup
# [19:23] <Ms2ger> Except for the guy on platform who announces meetings, I guess
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# [19:25] <@ted> i would take a Ph.D. over Mr. C.E.T. anyday
# [19:25] <Ms2ger> freelance writer
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# [19:26] <jhammel> for the same reason i distrust Ms. 2ger
# [19:26] <@bz> can I declare this conversation godwined?
# [19:26] <jhammel> like i'm going to be so impressed that she's a Ms.
# [19:26] <@bz> or at least some equivalent?
# [19:26] <@bz> freelance written?
# [19:27] <Ms2ger> Godwinned? Godwind?
# [19:27] <@bz> whatever
# [19:27] <@bz> Godwhined
# [19:27] <@ted> godwon
# [19:28] <KWierso> ted++
# [19:28] <Ms2ger> Hmm, 500 on http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/topics
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# [19:28] <KWierso> Ms2ger: yup
# [19:29] <imelven> in security, roc's comment holds true for people who put CISSP after their name :P
# [19:29] <beltzner> Ms2ger: groups is apparently suffering server errors
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# [19:29] <beltzner> most likely because I was going to take 30 minutes to try and migrate all my mailman subscriptions over to groups
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# [19:30] <Ms2ger> beltzner, :)
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# [19:34] <glandium> jlebar|mac: not *individual* pages
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# [19:34] <jlebar> glandium, Oh, you were mapping 1,000,000 pages at a time?
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# [19:35] <glandium> jlebar: yes, and madvising or mmap(MAP_FIXED) them
# [19:35] <jlebar> glandium, I see.
# [19:35] <glandium> and it seems the osx VM has a pretty bad exponential behaviour
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# [19:36] <glandium> jlebar: btw, have you ever run vmmap on firefox ? All i got was vmmap segfaulting, and nightly freezing...
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# [19:36] <jlebar> glandium, No, I've never tried. :)
# [19:36] <jlebar> glandium, Sorrry, another meeting.
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# [19:38] <mbrubeck> jdm: looks like bug 741131 is orange on inbound; backing out
# [19:38] <jdm> shoot
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# [19:38] <mbrubeck> I'll make sure to leave a polite, non-scary backout comment.
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# [19:40] <glandium> didn't compare-talos use to work with try changesets?
# [19:40] <mbrubeck> glandium: Yeah, it should...
# [19:40] <glandium> mbrubeck: well, apparently, it doesn't
# [19:41] <glandium> actually, it looks like it's not responding
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# [19:45] <glandium> yeah, looks like the problem is with the graphs server
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# [19:46] <rhelmer> glandium: mbrubeck: IT just pulled graphs-old the other day, is compare-talos still pointing there?
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# [19:47] <glandium> rhelmer: indeed
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# [19:49] <cpeterson> what is the state of the try servers? m-i and m-a seem to have a lot of blue restarts.
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# [19:50] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: glandium: is compare-talos https://bitbucket.org/mconnor/compare-talos ?
# [19:51] <rhelmer> i'll see how hard it is to point at the new graphserver
# [19:51] <mbrubeck> rhelmer: Yeah, looks ilke it.
# [19:51] <glandium> rhelmer: it looks like it already does. a local clone of that bitbucket works
# [19:51] <mbrubeck> s/ilke/like/
# [19:51] <glandium> well, sends to graphs.mozilla.org
# [19:52] <glandium> it doesn't work because graphs.m.o returns an HTTP 500
# [19:52] <glandium> http://graphs.mozilla.org/api/test/runs/revisions?revision=ba43d5d6a6c3 for example
# [19:52] <mconnor> rhelmer: if you want to take that code and put it somewhere more useful... :)
# [19:52] <rhelmer> mconnor: ok :) yeah i think people in #ateam had plans but nothing has happened yet
# [19:52] <rhelmer> intentions
# [19:52] <glandium> mconnor: it looks like the live site doesn't use graphs.m.o, though
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# [19:53] <rhelmer> glandium: yeah so graphs-old is down and the new server doesn't provide the API compare-talos uses, so that's exciting
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# [19:53] <rhelmer> glandium: I guess I can bring graphs-old back up on the new server
# [19:53] <glandium> rhelmer: great
# [19:53] <glandium> rhelmer: that would be very useful
# [19:53] <rhelmer> glandium: I'll take a look at compare-talos and see if it can be migrated easily first
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# [20:02] <the_new_kid> hey itll be really nice if anyone can help me out...to develop a 'no reply' reminder can somebody just start me up pls!!!
# [20:02] <@ehsan> jdm: ping
# [20:02] <jdm> ehsan: yo
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# [20:03] <@ehsan> jdm: I was about to push the patch for bug 725210
# [20:03] <jdm> the_new_kid: what are you asking?
# [20:03] <@ehsan> any reason why I should not do that?
# [20:03] <the_new_kid> ..umm for the google summer of code!! im really really really.. lost!!
# [20:03] <the_new_kid> lol
# [20:03] <jdm> ehsan: I don't believe so.
# [20:04] <jdm> the_new_kid: I recommend talking to the mentor
# [20:04] <@ehsan> ok, so I'll land it
# [20:05] <the_new_kid> hopefully it helps.... thanks though! :)
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# [20:18] <NhanTDN> Hello guys!
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# [20:19] <NhanTDN> My proposal letter has a comment, and they need more information, how can I add the information? By edit the proposal or reply in another comment?
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# [20:31] <mbrubeck> What exactly do B2G builds build? (I'm curious because they take so little time to build; are they building libxul?)
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# [20:43] <mconnor> rhelmer: wait, graphs works now?
# [20:43] <JonathanS> "According to Microsoft, Motorola is demanding exorbitant royalties for use of its H.264 codec – about $22.50 for every $1,000 laptop sold, and that it is essentially trying to block the competition entirely." -_-
# [20:43] <mconnor> rhelmer: I thought scrollback said "this doesn't work"
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# [20:44] <joe> mbrubeck: yes, libxul is part of b2g
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# [20:45] <mbrubeck> I guess B2G folks should probably stop landing with DONTBUILD then...
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# [20:45] <Ms2ger> Aww, no
# [20:45] <Mossop> mbrubeck: There are other bits too
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# [20:45] <Ms2ger> Using DONTBUILD inappropriately is in their job description
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# [20:46] <Mossop> Ms2ger: Perhaps they include bug numbers though ;)
# [20:46] <mbrubeck> also they should share the secret behind their fast builds!
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# [20:47] <Ms2ger> Mossop, who needs those?
# [20:47] <Ms2ger> Also, it'd been a while we had a nice long thread in the newsgroups
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# [20:48] <bjacob> do we have a helper to print function's name when we enter and leave it?
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# [20:48] <rhelmer> mconnor: hey can you merge that compare-talos change and push to perf.snarkfest.net ? I will about hosting that somewhere if you'd like also
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# [20:48] <mconnor> rhelmer: I can, but I thought that didn't work?
# [20:49] <rhelmer> mconnor: i just fixed it, cc'd you on the bug
# [20:49] <Ms2ger> bjacob, don't think so
# [20:49] <rhelmer> just fixed and updated graphserver prod
# [20:49] <mconnor> okay, great
# [20:49] <bjacob> Ms2ger: OK, it's 10 lines of code anyway
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# [20:50] <mconnor> rhelmer: should be done, may need to shift-refresh
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# [20:59] <rhelmer> mconnor: ok thanks, I am going to ask IT to point DNS for graphs-old at the new server too (shuold've done that before, I wasn't expecting the old one to be pulled quite so quickly :) )
# [21:00] <mconnor> rhelmer: please verify it's working, otp
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# [21:01] <rhelmer> mconnor: does seem to wfm
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# [21:01] <mconnor> \o/
# [21:01] <mconnor> rhelmer: on the plus side, I can fix stuff pretty fast as-is
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# [21:04] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: compare-talos working ok for you now?
# [21:05] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: if it is still trying to load graphs-old might need to reload http://perf.snarkfest.net/compare-talos/compare.js
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# [21:06] <mbrubeck> rhelmer: Yeah, looks good.
# [21:06] <mbrubeck> glandium: ^
# [21:06] <rhelmer> cool
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# [21:07] <mbrubeck> rhelmer: fast turnaround! :D
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# [21:08] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: turned out to be trivial, i had previously thought that we rewrote the API this uses but it was just broken for no good reason
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# [21:11] <jlebar> bholley, Whoa, git understands how to merge c++ files?
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# [21:12] <bholley> jlebar: ?
# [21:12] <jlebar> http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/.gitattributes?rev=112683
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# [21:13] <jlebar> bholley, Oh, I see. It's to pick up the function name properly.
# [21:13] <jlebar> bholley, Although it does understand how to merge changelog files, which is nice.
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# [21:14] <Ms2ger> jlebar, is that git or just a custom script?
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# [21:15] <jlebar> Ms2ger, Oh, you're right...it's a custom script.
# [21:16] <jlebar> http://ivanz.com/2009/03/19/git-automatic-smart-changelog-merging/
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# [21:22] <Ms2ger> http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1v3rkjMvL1rrf1eeo1_1280.jpg < nice
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# [21:38] <mbrubeck> jlebar: WinXP debug reftest is overflowing its log since your push to inbound...
# [21:38] <jlebar> mbrubeck, I thought I fixed that.
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# [21:42] <jlebar> mbrubeck, It must be intermittent, because it's green at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=287bcfaf83a6
# [21:42] <jlebar> mbrubeck, But yeah, tons of output. I'll figure it out.
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# [21:43] <mbrubeck> jlebar: It's failed 4/4 times so far on inbound; maybe something changed since your Try push.
# [21:44] <mbrubeck> jlebar: Which patch(es) are responsible, so we can back them out in the meantime?
# [21:44] <jlebar> mbrubeck, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=80df30079d1d
# [21:45] <mbrubeck> jlebar: The whole push?
# [21:45] <jlebar> mbrubeck, It's probably the first patch in the series, so yes, back out the whole thing, if you don't mind.
# [21:46] <mbrubeck> okay
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# [21:47] <bent> hey folks, what's our official response to "do you support OS/2"?
# [21:47] <bent> "no, but community may keep it going"?
# [21:47] <mbrubeck> bent: Yes
# [21:47] <mbrubeck> bent: Or in link form, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Supported_build_configurations
# [21:48] <gavin> my response would be "what do you mean by "we"?"
# [21:48] <bent> mbrubeck, "Yes we support OS/2"? or "Yes, i am correct"
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# [21:48] <mbrubeck> bent: Yes, your response is correct.
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# [21:48] <bent> gavin, official project support
# [21:48] <gavin> "official" is such a fluid thing :)
# [21:48] <Mossop> Give a blank stare then ask "What's OS/2?"
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# [21:48] <@ted> no, we do not
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# [21:48] <gavin> mbrubeck's link is good
# [21:49] <@ted> there's some code that supports OS/2 in the tree, and a few people that try to keep it working
# [21:49] <@ted> b
# [21:49] <bent> heh, OS/2 isn't even on that
# [21:49] <gavin> yes it is
# [21:49] <@ted> but it's not something we actively care about
# [21:49] <gavin> under "tier 3"
# [21:49] <bent> oh
# [21:49] <bent> yes, it is
# [21:49] <bent> find-fail?
# [21:49] <bent> maybe typing-fail
# [21:49] <gavin> freudian find-fail
# [21:50] <bent> ah, match case fail
# [21:50] <bent> that too
# [21:50] <bent> k, thanks all
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# [21:51] <mbrubeck> argh, joe and Waldo both managed to push before me. :P
# [21:52] <Waldo> THEN THE DAY IS MINE
# [21:52] <mbrubeck> jrmuizel and Waldo, that is
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# [21:54] <Waldo> mbrubeck: us jeffs are quick like that
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# [22:04] <micadeyeye> http://www.ngportal.com/micadeyeye/index.php/2012/03/02/two-instructors-wanted-for-mozilla-nigeria/
# [22:04] <jdm> harth: you are the best
# [22:05] <jdm> I love every one of your bugzilla-related repos on github
# [22:05] <harth> jdm: oh good!
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# [22:05] <joe> mbrubeck: actually it was me
# [22:06] <joe> mbrubeck: i'm just using jrmuizel's login on our shared computer
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# [22:09] <@bz> joe: there were articles in the NYTimes about that password-sharing thing
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# [22:09] <@bz> joe: experts agree it's a bad idea; ends in tears
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# [22:09] <joe> bz: luckily the password in question appeared in a major motion picture, so everyone knows it already
# [22:10] <@bz> joe: (or should this be a "just because you're jeff's manager doesn't mean you should be able to force him to disclose the passwords" kinda thing? ;) )
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# [22:10] <joe> bz: i'm not jeff's manager :)
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# [22:10] <@bz> joe: everyone knows lots of passwords
# [22:10] <@bz> joe: shhhhhh
# [22:10] <@bz> joe: you're disrupting my narrative!
# [22:10] <joe> ha
# [22:10] <@bz> joe: I note you carefully avoided mentioning which motion picture, btw. ;)
# [22:10] <joe> i went to get him to type in his ssh key, but it was already unlocked
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# [22:10] <@bz> joe: heh
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# [22:12] <joe> oh, i thought it appeared in 'hackers'
# [22:12] <joe> i was wrong
# [22:12] <Ms2ger> "hunter2!!!!!!!!"?
# [22:12] <joe> "four most-used passwords are: love, sex, secret, and god."
# [22:12] <Ms2ger> With an ! for every time his ldap expired?
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# [22:13] <@bz> Ms2ger: hunter1337
# [22:13] <@bz> Ms2ger: with an increment for every time it expired
# [22:14] <Ms2ger> Wow, that's a lot of expirations
# [22:14] <joe> hunter2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
# [22:14] * joe glare at ldap expiry
# [22:14] <@bz> Only 334 years
# [22:14] <@bz> jeff is older than he looks?
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# [22:15] <Ms2ger> Oh, I thought younger
# [22:17] * @bz wonders whether this whole discussion is on-topic for a Mozilla venue or whether he should stick to talking about work
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# [22:17] <joe> bite your tongue
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# [22:18] <@khuey|pto> ddahl: ping?
# [22:18] <@bz> joe: ouch
# [22:18] <@bz> joe: me no more listen to your advice
# [22:19] <Ms2ger> ++bz;
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# [22:20] <@bz> Does that put me at 1337bz?
# [22:20] <@khuey|pto> no it puts you at ca
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# [22:20] <joe> Ms2ger: maybe add reasoning to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741048
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# [22:20] <@bz> khuey|pto: get the back to pto!
# [22:21] <@bz> khuey|pto: er, thee
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# [22:22] <gabor> is there a linked list for nsCOMPtrs?
# [22:22] <@bz> no
# [22:22] <@bz> well
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# [22:22] <@bz> one sec
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# [22:22] <@khuey|pto> why would you want a linked list?
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# [22:23] <@khuey|pto> its such a terrible data structure
# [22:23] <@bz> gabor: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mfbt/LinkedList.h
# [22:23] <@bz> gabor: general templatized doubly linked list
# [22:23] <gabor> or something similar... I want to store a list of nsIPrincipals in it
# [22:23] <gabor> an array is fine as well
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# [22:23] <Waldo> joe: so I heard you like swordfish...
# [22:23] <@bz> nsTArray< nsCOMPtr<nsIPrincipal> >
# [22:23] <gabor> I just don't want to low level hack something for it...
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# [22:23] <gabor> bz++
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# [22:24] <joe> Waldo: hmm
# [22:24] <joe> will have to check that
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# [22:24] <joe> i've never seen it
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# [22:24] <jlebar> bholley, How do you rebase patches up and across a backout? Do you cherry-pick, or do you do something more clever?
# [22:25] <joe> Waldo: ah, and i've never seen horse feathers either
# [22:26] <jlebar> khuey|pto, linked lists are good for one reason: constant-time removal of |this|.
# [22:26] <@khuey|pto> jlebar: yes
# [22:26] <jlebar> khuey|pto, Which happens more often than one might think.
# [22:26] <@khuey|pto> nah, that never happens ;-)
# [22:27] <froydnj> I never hit performance corner cases, but when I do, I'll blame khuey
# [22:27] <@bz> jlebar: also insertion
# [22:27] <@bz> jlebar: also iteration
# [22:27] <@bz> jlebar: in order
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# [22:27] <@khuey|pto> stop ruining my irrational hatred of linked lists
# [22:27] <@bz> jlebar: also tree traversal if you use them for the child list
# [22:28] <jlebar> bz, One *usually* wants to insert at either the head, tail, or both of a list. But you can accomplish the same thing with a circular buffer.
# [22:28] <@bz> note that the above is all double-linked
# [22:28] <@bz> jlebar: "usually" is false for the DOM
# [22:28] <@bz> jlebar: in practice
# [22:28] <jlebar> :)
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# [22:28] <WeirdAl> hm, this sounds interesting
# [22:28] <@bz> khuey|pto: heh
# [22:29] <cpeterson> my CS prof joked that in the real world, there are only two data structures: hash tables and arrays. :)
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# [22:29] <Ms2ger> cpeterson, and linked lists morphing into hash tables :)
# [22:29] <@khuey|pto> that's pretty true in our code
# [22:29] <@bz> that was true in gecko for a bit
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# [22:29] <@bz> we're trying to do more linked lists
# [22:30] <@khuey|pto> and more bloom filters :-P
# [22:30] <@bz> yes, sorta
# [22:30] <cpeterson> and hash tables are just a special case of an array (or array of arrays).
# [22:30] <Waldo> let a thousand filters bloom
# [22:30] <Ms2ger> Opera did it first ;)
# [22:31] <@bz> cpeterson: only sorta
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# [22:31] <gps> dholbert: I'm trying to load an svg via <img> served with Content-Type: text/xml and am getting the alt text. <object data="..."> works fine. is that expected?
# [22:32] <Ms2ger> So my GetParameter calls GetParameter, which calls DoGetParameter, which calls DoParameterInternal, which, fascinatingly enough, does something
# [22:32] <@bz> gps: yes
# [22:32] <dholbert> gps, yup
# [22:32] <dholbert> gps, you need image/svg+xml
# [22:32] <dholbert> gps, for it to be handled as an image
# [22:32] <froydnj> Ms2ger: http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/2874
# [22:32] <@bz> gps: Note that <object data> is loading it differently than it would if it were image/svg
# [22:33] <gps> dholbert: OK. so no bug then. just checking!
# [22:33] <@bz> gps: e.g. it's not giving you an SVGDocument
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# [22:33] <dholbert> gps, yup. thanks for the heads up, in any case!
# [22:33] <Ms2ger> froydnj, well, still better than the LoadImage that calls LoadImage that calls LoadImage that calls... You guessed it
# [22:33] <gps> the doctype lists svg. I was kinda hoping the browser would do the right thing
# [22:33] <Ms2ger> gps, nope!
# [22:33] <Ms2ger> Unless you fix the bug :)
# [22:33] <froydnj> Ms2ger: yo dawg!
# [22:33] <@bz> gps: we igore the doctype
# [22:34] <@bz> er, ignore
# [22:34] <@bz> gps: so does everyone else
# [22:34] <Ms2ger> We Igor it?
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# [22:34] <dholbert> Ms2ger, bz has more important things to do than spell correctly
# [22:35] <gps> Safari displays a ? in a box, but no alt text
# [22:35] <Ms2ger> Did DXR get completely broken? jlebar?
# [22:35] <@bz> Like not do dholbert's reviews. ;)
# [22:35] <Ms2ger> Er
# [22:35] <Ms2ger> jcranmer?
# [22:35] <@bz> gps: safari sucks with alt text in general
# [22:35] <jlebar> Ms2ger, That is *not* my fault.
# [22:35] <Ms2ger> s/with alt text//
# [22:35] <@bz> gps: it doesn't handle it particularly well for png/jpg either
# [22:35] <dholbert> gps, the intended result (in Gecko) is that it's treated like a broken image
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# [22:35] <Ms2ger> jlebar, and it's not your fault either that your name starts with a j?
# [22:35] <jtcranmer> Ms2ger: ?
# [22:35] <jlebar> Ms2ger, Would you believe me if I said no?
# [22:36] <Ms2ger> jtcranmer, http://dxr.lanedo.com/mozilla-central/dom/base/nsIScriptRuntime.h.html#l65
# [22:36] <@bz> gps: try this
# [22:36] <Ms2ger> Clicking ParseVersion doesn't do anything
# [22:36] <@bz> <!DOCTYPE html>
# [22:36] <@bz> <img alt="This is alt text">
# [22:36] <@bz> See whether Safari shows the alt text....
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# [22:36] <Ms2ger> Now, try this
# [22:36] <Ms2ger> <!DOCTYPE html>
# [22:36] <Ms2ger> <img longdesc="This is longer alt text">
# [22:37] <jtcranmer> taras: ^^^^
# [22:37] <jtcranmer> taras: can you redirect to the lanedo people?
# [22:37] <@bz> Ms2ger: not like we support that... ;)
# [22:37] <Ms2ger> bz, and not like it should take a URL :)
# [22:37] <taras> jtcranmer: sup?
# [22:37] <jtcranmer> taras: 15:28 < Ms2ger> jtcranmer,
# [22:37] <jtcranmer> http://dxr.lanedo.com/mozilla-central/dom/base/nsIScriptRuntime.h.html#l65
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# [22:37] <jtcranmer> 15:29 < Ms2ger> Clicking ParseVersion doesn't do anything
# [22:38] <taras> yeah they just rewrote stuff
# [22:38] <taras> and it does seem busted
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# [22:39] <@bz> Ms2ger: details
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# [22:40] <Ms2ger> bz, you know, back in the day I wrote XHTML1.1, sent it as application/xhtml+xml and used longdesc correctly
# [22:40] <Ms2ger> I've since seen the error of my ways
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# [22:41] <taras> Ms2ger: i posted this on the mailing list
# [22:41] <Ms2ger> Ta
# [22:41] <taras> asked to rollback to a less busted ver
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# [22:41] <@bz> Ms2ger: so now you do all that but no longer use longdesc? ;)
# [22:42] <Ms2ger> I do just the middle, when writing tests :)
# [22:42] <dholbert> bz, (BTW, that flexbox-frame-reconstruction followup patch is coming shortly -- I'm finishing up some testing to make sure all the checks are actually needed)
# [22:42] <dholbert> bz, (just letting you know in case you'd prefer to wait on the current patch so you can review them back-to-back)
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# [22:43] <@bz> dholbert: should be about the same
# [22:43] <taras> garnacho: see my message to mailing list
# [22:43] <taras> Ms2ger: reported that things are pretty busted
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# [22:49] <cpeterson> I found a web worker injection (2012-01-16) that locks up the UI pretty hard, but my bug 736152 has received no triage love for two weeks. What is the process to raise the visibility of a bug?
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# [22:50] <mbrubeck> cpeterson: Looks like you've done some regression-hunting, which is a good start
# [22:50] <@khuey|pto> CC bent to the bug
# [22:50] <@khuey|pto> bug him till he looks at it
# [22:50] <garnacho> taras, Ms2ger, sorry about that... will quickly revert and investigate first thing tomorrow
# [22:50] <Ms2ger> Np
# [22:50] <cpeterson> mbrubeck, khuey: thanks
# [22:50] <mbrubeck> cpeterson: It might be helpful if you could post the regression ranges in terms of hg changesets, and maybe ping the owners of likely-looking bugs in those ranges (for the regression, and the fix on Aurora).
# [22:51] <@khuey|pto> fwiw, it doesn't seem to hang my browser
# [22:51] <mbrubeck> cpeterson: And I added the [Snappy] tag to the whiteboard which will put it on certain people's radar
# [22:51] <cpeterson> awesome. thanks!
# [22:51] <mbrubeck> it does hang my browser pretty effectively
# [22:52] <@khuey|pto> interesting
# [22:52] <@khuey|pto> what OS?
# [22:52] <cpeterson> OSX
# [22:52] <mbrubeck> Linux 64
# [22:52] * @khuey|pto is on Windows
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# [22:55] <KWierso> working fine here on Windows Nightly as well
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# [22:56] <KWierso> also works with the metro win8 build, fwiw
# [22:57] <mbrubeck> Looks like it's from bug 598482.
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# [23:00] <avih> jaws: jwir3: pongggg.. :)
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# [23:03] <avih> jaws: tn doesn't want it.
# [23:03] <avih> (the patch for bug 728153)
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# [23:04] <avih> oh.. thx for the commit :)
# [23:04] <avih> jaws: ^ :)
# [23:04] <Ms2ger> NS_ERROR_FIRST_HEADER_FIELD_COMPONENT_EMPTY
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# [23:09] <jdm> ehsan: ping
# [23:09] <@ehsan> jdm: heya
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# [23:09] <jdm> ehsan: I'm still not understanding the test. What docshell is remaining marked as private after setting privateWindow = false?
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# [23:10] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: are you taking bug 741450?
# [23:10] <@ehsan> jdm: the docshell for the new window's browser.xul
# [23:10] <jlebar> bsmedberg, Yes, I can take it.
# [23:10] <@ehsan> jdm: note that the value gets decremented in the docshell's dtor
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# [23:11] <jdm> ehsan: it also gets decremented in SetUsingPrivateBrowsing if the argument is false
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# [23:14] <@ehsan> jdm: ah hmm
# [23:14] <@ehsan> jdm: I'm pretty sure that the test would fail without that...
# [23:14] <jaws> avih: pong
# [23:14] <@ehsan> maybe I'm doing something stupid?
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# [23:15] <avih> jaws: be back in a bit...
# [23:15] <jlebar> bsmedberg, Um...I'm not sure this can be made safe.
# [23:15] <jaws> k
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# [23:16] <jlebar> bsmedberg, We can't atomically modify the original function.
# [23:16] <jdm> ehsan: I'll have a look later; right now I need to finish an assignment
# [23:16] <@ehsan> jdm: let me debug this for a sec
# [23:16] <@ehsan> ok
# [23:17] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: without suspending all helper threads?
# [23:17] <jlebar> bsmedberg, Correct.
# [23:17] <jlebar> bsmedberg, Or working before any helper threads are initialized.
# [23:17] <@ehsan> jdm: actually your patch has a bug I think
# [23:17] <jdm> oh?
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# [23:17] <@ehsan> SetUsePrivateBrowsing is called in many other cases as well
# [23:18] <@ehsan> you only want to change the flag when it's been explicitly called
# [23:18] <@ehsan> right?
# [23:18] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: so we could do this at startup when we believe there are no other threads
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# [23:18] <@bsmedberg> or could try to suspend everything in the process briefly to install the hook
# [23:18] <jlebar> bsmedberg, The former seems much easier. I wonder in that bug, though, if they're inserting some thread early on.
# [23:19] <jdm> ehsan: I'm pretty sure we early-return if the flag isn't being changed
# [23:19] <@ehsan> let me see
# [23:19] <jdm> well not early return, but yeah, I check that condition
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# [23:20] <nemo> so guys. I'm kind of confused
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# [23:20] <nemo> at some point in the past year or so, this old web page which used to render fine, suddenly stopped
# [23:20] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/calligraphy.xhtml
# [23:20] <nemo> I'm guessing presumably due to deprecation
# [23:20] <nemo> is there some writeup somewhere on this?
# [23:20] <nemo> what else does it impact?
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# [23:21] <@smaug> Jesse: so, feel free to fuzz MutationObserver API
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# [23:22] <nemo> looks like it is treating it as a raw XML file now
# [23:22] <nemo> ignoring the mime type?
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# [23:22] <bholley> bsmedberg: people are apparently using fork() in js-ctypes. It seems to me that this can't be good. Am I right?
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# [23:24] <nemo> bholley: oh. hey. speaking of js-ctypes. did you guys ever work out how memory management would be handled? malloc/free new/delete ?
# [23:24] <nemo> I remember you discussing some syntax for signaling or somesuch
# [23:24] <@bz> what are these free and delete things?
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# [23:24] <@bz> And why would one use them?
# [23:24] <nemo> bz: bah :-p
# [23:24] <nemo> malloc/free.
# [23:24] <jhammel> bz: they're for people that don't have enough RAM, i think
# [23:24] <bholley> nemo: see bug 720771
# [23:24] <@bz> and is that free as in beer, or free as in pointers?
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# [23:24] <@bz> jhammel: I guess
# [23:25] <nemo> bz: free as in, you have no memory free after using js-ctypes
# [23:25] <bholley> bz: anyway, doesn't fork() in js-ctypes strike you as bad news?
# [23:25] <jdm> nemo: it would be worth figuring out when that page stopped working
# [23:25] <nemo> jdm: *sigh*
# [23:25] <nemo> aight
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# [23:26] <jdm> thanks :)
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# [23:26] <nemo> bholley: nice. thanks.
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# [23:29] <@ehsan> jdm: ok, you're right about the flag change check
# [23:29] <ddahl> khuey|away: thanks for the feedback
# [23:29] <@ehsan> jdm: I suspect the reason that the test fails is a docshell living from another test
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# [23:30] <@ehsan> any test which opens a PB window and closes it could be at fault
# [23:30] <Fallen> does anyone know more about an IDL syntax error in nsIDOMEvent.idl? it complains about "dictionary EventInit"
# [23:30] <@ehsan> (I verified that running the test standalone without the CC works)
# [23:30] <Fallen> A community member is getting this
# [23:30] <jdm> ehsan: wonderful
# [23:31] <Ms2ger> Fallen, need to remove some .py files in the sourcedir, IIRC
# [23:31] <@ehsan> jdm: so please review the patch whenever you get to it :)
# [23:31] <Ms2ger> Under... xpcom/idl-parser
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# [23:31] <jtcranmer> Fallen: remove xpidllex.py* and xpidlyacc.py* from mozilla/xpcom/idl-parse/
# [23:31] <jtcranmer> er, idl-parser/
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# [23:32] <Fallen> ah that error again. I guess it looks different to everyone, for me it was another error :-)
# [23:32] <Fallen> thanks
# [23:32] <@smaug> Ms2ger: Fallen. pyc files, not py
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# [23:33] <Ms2ger> Fallen, no, there was one before where you had to remove pyc files
# [23:33] <Ms2ger> There's a distinct issue with py files
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# [23:33] <@smaug> oh
# [23:33] <Fallen> oh wait, remove the py files too?
# [23:33] <AndChat|> jaws: here? Am on another computer now..
# [23:34] <jaws> AndChat|: hi
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# [23:34] <@bz> bholley(): it strikes me as "how the hell would this work?"
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# [23:34] <@bz> bholley: ^
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# [23:34] <@smaug> we have too many issues with Python, let's rewrite those files using perl :)
# [23:34] <Ms2ger> smaug--
# [23:34] <jgilbert> Fallen: iirc, I needed to delete both the *.pyc and *.pyo files
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# [23:34] <avih___> jaws: meh.. using irc on android
# [23:34] <@bz> bholley: I mean... the new process has pointers to bogus stuff, right?
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# [23:35] <jaws> avih___: :)
# [23:35] <Fallen> jgilbert: but not the .py files themselves?
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# [23:35] <bholley> bz: well, with fork isn't everything copy-on-write?
# [23:35] <@bz> bholley: though I guess the child gets a clone of the heap....
# [23:35] <bholley> bz: I was worried more about IO and IPC stuff
# [23:35] <@bz> bholley: so who knows
# [23:35] <jgilbert> Fallen: no, the .py files are the python source
# [23:35] <@bz> bholley: if you immediately exec() it might be ok
# [23:35] <@bz> bholley: right?
# [23:35] <Ms2ger> I think .py too, yes
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# [23:35] <jgilbert> Fallen: python compiles these to pyo and pyc when it runs them the first time
# [23:35] <jgilbert> maybe
# [23:35] <bholley> bz: yeah, I guess if the child unmozillifies itself asap
# [23:36] <jgilbert> I didn't have to delete the *.py files, iirc
# [23:36] <avih___> jaws: having to use 4 clicks for tab completion is not easy...
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# [23:36] <jtcranmer> the xpidlyex/xpidlyacc files are supposed to be regen'd by the lex/yacc stuff
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# [23:36] <jaws> hehe
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# [23:36] <@bz> bholley: right
# [23:36] <jgilbert> if they should be generated, yeah, just nuke it
# [23:36] <Fallen> oh right yes, then those can go
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# [23:40] <mburst> Hey I saw you were one of the mentors for "Get ISPDB Into Production" and was just wondering if you had a few minutes to answer some questions about the project when you get a chance. I'm Max by the way.
# [23:40] <mburst> Hey I saw you were one of the mentors for "Get ISPDB Into Production" and was just wondering if you had a few minutes to answer some questions about the project when you get a chance. I'm Max by the way.
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# [23:41] <mburst> whoops
# [23:41] <Ms2ger> Mark_Capella++
# [23:41] <Mark_Capella> B)
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# [23:44] <nemo> jdm: hmmm. ok. even happening in FF3.6 - sooo, I guess the *server* is doing something different. The question I guess is what.
# [23:45] <nemo> Content-Type seems fine
# [23:45] <nemo> anyway. not Firefox' fault
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# [23:47] <avih> jaws: so, wanted anything specific?
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# [23:48] <jaws> avih: just wanted to ping you for the Mozilla meeting since you were mentioned as a Friend of the Tree :)
# [23:48] <avih> oh :)
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# [23:48] <avih> (is this good? ;) )
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# [23:51] <avih> jaws: mmm just saw the emails now too.. thx! :) (just got home...)
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# [23:52] <avih> do i get a t-shirt or something? ;)
# [23:52] <jaws> avih: i'll see if i can arrange something, but no promises :)
# [23:52] <avih> lol
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# [23:53] <avih> (hug a tree!)
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# [23:57] <cpearce> what chrometest do I have to run in order to run the test browser_permissions.js?
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