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# Session Start: Tue Apr 03 00:00:00 2012
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# [00:00] <mbrubeck> cpeterson: So I guess the answer to "What is the process to raise the visibility of a bug?" is "mention it on #developers". :)
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# [00:00] <mbrubeck> My original tongue-in-cheek answer was going to be "attach a patch and request review." :P
# [00:01] <sheppy> :)
# [00:01] <cpeterson> mbrubeck: delegation, eh?
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# [00:09] <jaws> cpearce: it looks like browser-chrome-tests
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# [00:09] <jaws> cpearce: TEST_PATH=browser/components/preferences/tests/browser_permissions make -C obj-dir/ browser-chrome-tests
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# [00:10] <jaws> cpearce: (forgot the .js part of the path above)
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# [00:10] <jaws> TEST_PATH=browser/components/preferences/tests/browser_permissions.js make -C obj-dir/ browser-chrome-tests
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# [00:11] <WeirdAl> glandium: ping
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# [00:13] <mbrubeck> philor: When/how do new versions of TBPL get deployed to production?
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# [00:14] <WeirdAl> bsmedberg: you too, I guess
# [00:14] <cpearce> jaws: thanks for the pointer! Got it to work with `python runtests.py --browser-chrome --test-path=browser/components/preferences/tests/browser_permissions.js --autorun` did it.
# [00:14] <jaws> cpearce: yeah that will work too :)
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# [00:15] <WeirdAl> (particularly on Mac)
# [00:15] <jaws> cpearce: if a test has browser_ prefix, then it is a browser-chrome test
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# [00:16] <philor> mbrubeck: someone decides there's enough landed and tested, and not enough in the pipeline that's worth waiting for, or more often someone decides there's something landed that absolutely has to be deploy right now, to file a serverops bug
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# [00:25] <mbrubeck> philor: It might be a good time to deploy, since I've landed a lot of little fixes since the last deployment. Individually they are low-risk, but there are a bunch of them...
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# [00:27] <stephend|brb> dvhttps://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/9495440d-80df-4ca3-b921-02cc62120402
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# [00:27] <stephend|brb> dvander: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/9495440d-80df-4ca3-b921-02cc62120402
# [00:27] <stephend|brb> sorry :-)
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# [00:28] <dvander> stephend, yeah that looks like the same crash.
# [00:28] <stephend> let me upgrade my nightly to at least be today's (won't be /inbound/ obviously)
# [00:28] <dvander> i'll ping dmandelin when he gets back
# [00:28] <stephend> ok, cool
# [00:28] <stephend> ty
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# [01:02] <Mossop> bsmedberg: Turns out that in fixing bug 734975 I also made it pack its chrome into omni.ja, does that sound like a problem?
# [01:02] <darktrojan> smaug++!
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# [01:11] <hub> where is the best place to file bugs for pdf.js?
# [01:11] <hub> bugzilla or github?
# [01:11] <hub> (the version that is in nightly)
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# [01:12] <bdahl> hub: we prefer github at the moment
# [01:12] <biesi> wasn't there a mailing list thread about that recently? :-)
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# [01:13] <cpearce> wow, the osx lion fullscreen transition animation is headache inducing when you watch it over and over...
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# [01:17] <stephend> luke: do you know how to use WinDBG?
# [01:17] <stephend> mandelin is asking :-)
# [01:17] <Mossop> Which versions of OSX do we support?
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# [01:20] <luke> stephend: nope
# [01:20] <stephend> k
# [01:20] <stephend> Mook_as: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/11.0/system-requirements/
# [01:20] <stephend> er, Mossop http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/11.0/system-requirements/
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# [01:22] <gavin> the "copy image" context menu item code is so confusing
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# [01:25] <gavin> wonder whether we could just kill all of nsClipboardImageCommands
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# [01:42] <gavin> philor: what's a;r?
# [01:42] <gavin> (I think I've asked this before)
# [01:45] <philor> gavin: android;retriggered
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# [01:46] <gavin> oh
# [01:47] <gavin> I think you might have done that on one I had already retriggered
# [01:47] <gavin> or maybe it was just a subsequent failure
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# [01:47] <gavin> I should star the retriggers I guess, didn't think anyone would pay attention to beta :)
# [01:47] <philor> entirely possible, or it may be that I saw you had retriggered it, and starred for your retrigger
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# [01:49] <philor> I did on one tree, dunno which, but mostly I just operate as though nobody will ever again look at beta or aurora or esr-10
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# [02:03] * fantasai keeps running into deadlock errors in Bugzilla. Is this normal?
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# [02:04] <dholbert> fantasai, that doesn't sound familiar to me
# [02:04] <dholbert> fantasai, you're talking about deadlocks in Gecko, while loading bugzilla pages?
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# [02:05] <fantasai> no, deadlocks in Bugzilla itself
# [02:05] <fantasai> like, that's the error message :)
# [02:05] <dholbert> fantasai, how do they manifest? an error page of some sort?
# [02:05] <fantasai> yep
# [02:05] <dholbert> gotcha. :) never seen those
# [02:05] <fantasai> in one case it even was sent as text/plain
# [02:05] <fantasai> @_@
# [02:05] * fantasai hasn't used Bugzilla heavily in a very long time, just wanted to check that this wasn't normal
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# [02:11] <biesi> fantasai, that's impressive
# [02:11] <biesi> fantasai, I didn't even know bugzilla used threading :)
# [02:12] * fantasai didn't do much, really, just file a couple bugs with dependencies
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# [02:21] <fryn> does anyone in the mv office have a standalone apple trackpad i can borrow for 15 minutes?
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# [02:29] <Wes> Make sure you have either 10.6 + drivers or 10.7. 10.5 doesn't work. Don't ask me how I know.
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# [02:59] <philor> from extensions/TagNewUsers/Extension.pm line 174 trying to lock the db to mark me as not being a new user, apparently
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# [03:04] <Waldo> expecting bugzilla to work? contra bugzilla, you must be new here
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# [03:07] <philor> perish the thought
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# [03:08] <philor> but despite having started with "gl{tab}" and thus known better, I still expected to be told "yeah, that's bug nnn, nothing to worry about"
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# [03:28] <jlebar> If I have m balls uniform at random into n bins, what's the expected number of balls in a randomly-selected bin?
# [03:28] * jlebar is tired, doesn't want to do math.
# [03:29] <jlebar> Oh, this is stupid. Nevermind.
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# [03:29] <znhxr> did you mean: n/m
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# [03:30] <jlebar> znhxr, Yeah, but I actually meant, what's the expected number of balls in a randomly-selected bin with at least one ball.
# [03:30] <jlebar> But you can see that I'm not doing so well with the maths tonight. :)
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# [03:31] <jlebar> znhxr, Also, m/n? :D
# [03:31] <znhxr> I don't let facts ruin my jokes
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# [03:39] <jlebar> znhxr, (m/n) / (1-1/n)^m, in case you're curious. :)
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# [03:44] <jlebar> oops, it should be (m/n) / (1 - (1-1/n)^m))
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# [03:46] <CuriousJohn> jlebar, i'm always curious :)
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# [04:04] <jtcranmer> jlebar: funny, I recall doing that exact problem in a class some time ago
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# [04:04] <jlebar> jtcranmer, It's likely I did too. :)
# [04:05] <jtcranmer> lessee, expectation is linear
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# [04:06] <jlebar> jtcranmer, I hope my answer above is right!
# [04:06] <jtcranmer> screw this, I hate probability
# [04:06] <jlebar> lol
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# [04:07] <jlebar> How does one use waitpid() correctly? Like, how do I ensure that the process I mean to wait on hasn't died, so I know that the pid I'm waiting on is actually the process I started?
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# [04:07] <jlebar> Ah, waitpid applies only to my own children. Okay...
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# [04:33] <reuben> hm, all the warnings about delete being called on a derived class with no virtual destructor… I assume things would break horribly if a virtual destructor was added to nsISupports?
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# [04:36] <heycam> reuben, it would probably make things slower
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# [04:40] <jtcranmer> reuben: it destroys the vtable layout
# [04:40] <jtcranmer> which would break xpconnect
# [04:41] <reuben> oh, right, multiple inheritance…
# [04:41] <jtcranmer> no
# [04:41] <jtcranmer> it adds a destructor into the vtable
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# [04:42] <jtcranmer> xpconnect assumes that entries in the vtable have a certain order
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# [04:42] <Guest> and we can't change the assumption because of backwards compatibility?
# [04:42] <Guest> ugh
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# [04:42] <jtcranmer> the no-virtual destructor is safe because of how xpcom works
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# [04:43] <jtcranmer> AddRef/Release is overridden for every class, and the Release manually calls the destructor
# [04:43] <jtcranmer> adding a virtual destructor means that destroying almost every object in our codebase becomes slower
# [04:44] <jtcranmer> since instead of calling a virtual function which presumably has the destructor already inlined
# [04:44] <jtcranmer> we call two virtual functions
# [04:44] <reuben> ah, I see. interesting
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# [04:45] <jtcranmer> we'd also brick ABI compatibility with MSCOM, and it's about the single biggest breaking change we could do for binary compatibility too, not that we care too much about that
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# [07:40] <mwu> kinetik: ping
# [07:40] <kinetik> mwu: hi
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# [07:41] <mwu> kinetik: so, I'm trying to use the cubeb pulse backend
# [07:41] <mwu> and I'm getting some sort of weird deadlock over three threads
# [07:41] <mwu> I think. still poking through the stacks
# [07:42] <mwu> have you seen any issues like that?
# [07:42] <kinetik> mwu: not that i recall, but it has been a while since i did anything with it
# [07:42] <mwu> ah
# [07:43] <kinetik> mwu: can you pastebin the stacks?
# [07:43] <kinetik> mwu: also, what version of pulse is this?
# [07:43] <mwu> kinetik: sure, give me a moment
# [07:43] <mwu> I pulled from their repo from 1-2 weeks ago IIRC
# [07:43] <kinetik> okay, just so long as it's not ancient
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# [07:44] <mwu> nah, it's fairly fresh
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# [07:45] <mwu> kinetik: http://hastebin.com/balaqecujo.pas
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# [07:46] <mwu> from what I can tell, thread 1 is stuck trying to take the nsbuiltindecoder monitor being held by thread 32
# [07:47] <mwu> and thread 32 might be stuck due to thread 7
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# [07:50] <kinetik> mwu: so it looks like PA holds its mainloop lock during callbacks
# [07:50] <kinetik> surprised i didn't hit this before
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# [07:51] <mwu> heh
# [07:51] <mwu> makes sense
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# [07:52] <mwu> any easy fix?
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# [07:52] <kinetik> mwu: drop the nsBufferedAudioStream monitor around calls into cubeb
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# [07:53] <mwu> ok
# [07:53] <kinetik> i'll have to think about whether it's worth avoiding that mainloop lock inside cubeb_pulse as a more correct fix
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# [07:55] <mwu> there is another weird issue I hit at https://github.com/kinetiknz/cubeb/blob/master/src/cubeb_pulse.c#L309
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# [07:55] <kinetik> mwu: what's that?
# [07:55] <mwu> kinetik: pulseaudio often gets SIGKILL'd at that point for some reason. I put in a sleep(1) and it survives, but uh
# [07:56] <mwu> I have no idea where that sigkill comes from
# [07:56] <kinetik> that sounds weird
# [07:56] <mwu> yeah, very
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# [07:57] <kinetik> mwu: so the server crashes, or the client hits the assert inside stream_state_wait?
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# [07:57] <mwu> the server crashes, and that kills the client soon after
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# [07:57] <mwu> afaict
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# [07:59] <mwu> I'll let you know if I figure out more there
# [07:59] <kinetik> mwu: cheers
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# [08:06] <mwu> kinetik: were you testing with video, btw? this code is constantly bombarded by cubeb_stream_get_position calls which I'm guessing is for video
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# [08:07] <kinetik> mwu: i was pretty sure all of the mochitests passed, so yeah
# [08:07] <mwu> hmm, odd
# [08:07] <kinetik> mwu: maybe i got lucky, or PA's behaviour has changed since
# [08:08] <kinetik> i'm surprised i didn't hit that deadlock
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# [08:08] <mwu> yeah I have no idea
# [08:08] <mwu> it's on a phone
# [08:08] <mwu> dunno if being slower would make hitting deadlock more likely
# [08:10] <kinetik> i'd guess so, it all depends how long is spent in the data_callback
# [08:10] <mwu> ah ok, that makes sense
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# [09:05] <mwu> kinetik: this check looks wrong https://github.com/kinetiknz/cubeb/blob/master/src/cubeb_pulse.c#L152
# [09:05] <mwu> though still not the bug I'm looking for
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# [09:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1beb8e193e8d - Ms2ger - Bug 740771 - Stringify null for Storage.getItem/setItem/removeItem; r=mayhemer
# [09:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/66101542ba09 - Ms2ger - Bug 738759 - Add nsContentUtils::CheckSameOrigin overload taking two nsINodes; r=jst
# [09:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4df84fc7cbf1 - Ms2ger - Bug 741218 - Don't crash when loading a page with content-type application/json; r=hsivonen
# [09:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c0d3b3b6e2fb - Ms2ger - Bug 738760 - Move nsContentUtils::GetContextAndScope into nsDocument.cpp; r=sicking
# [09:36] <smontagu> it would be nice if WONTFIXing or INVALIDating a bug cancelled open review requests
# [09:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/af7362ead6e5 - Ms2ger - Bug 737122 - Attr nodes shouldn't have children; r=sicking
# [09:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dd146b9296f4 - Ms2ger - Bug 741223 - MutationObserver cleanup; r=smaug
# [09:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c410b2d6d570 - Ms2ger - Bug 532062 - localStorage/sessionStorage should return undefined (not null) for undefined keys through property access; r=mayhemer
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# [09:48] <darktrojan> can anybody tell me how to get ubuntu's task bar thing onto a second monitor?
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# [09:49] <glazou> bonjour
# [09:49] <darktrojan> actually if you've got any tips about using unity with a second monitor that'd be handy
# [09:49] <darktrojan> hello!
# [09:50] <nigelb> darktrojan: #ubuntu on freenode might be a better place to ask :)
# [09:51] <nigelb> .... and I'm pretty sure there's bugs about unity and second monitors :/
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# [09:51] <darktrojan> there's bugs about unity and everything
# [09:51] <nigelb> lol
# [09:51] <mwu> kinetik: figured out why it was dying. it was running with realtime scheduling and exceeding its cpu time limit
# [09:52] <mwu> apparently the kernel just SIGKILLs you when that happens
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# [09:53] <jdm> mwu: second chances are for wimps
# [09:53] <mwu> guess so when you're running realtime.
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# [10:48] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, I think you'd like http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1443 , btw :)
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# [10:55] <mak> Ms2ger++
# [10:56] <Ms2ger> That's what you get for telling me off
# [10:56] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: why doesn't it fail hard for "--" in a tag?
# [10:56] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: any ETA for landing https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741218 ?
# [10:58] <mak> Ms2ger: I will help later marking bugs, just let me finish bugmail :)
# [10:58] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, -1h20
# [10:58] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: thanks
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# [11:03] <louisremi> Hi, was "skew" intentionally removed for the list of available transform functions? On nightly, skewX and skewY work, but skew doesn't. It works on GA though.
# [11:04] <@roc> yes
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# [11:05] <Ms2ger> Why? Did we evangelize it?
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# [11:06] <louisremi> roc: That makes me sad
# [11:07] <louisremi> Ms2ger: and no, it wasn't evangelized.
# [11:07] <Ms2ger> louisremi, what's sad about it?
# [11:07] <louisremi> Ms2ger: because it breaks a lot of stuff, of course
# [11:08] <Ms2ger> Everything breaks a lot of stuff
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# [11:09] <louisremi> Ms2ger, roc: why not wait for a prefix-less implementation to change stuff in a non-backward compatible way??
# [11:10] <darktrojan> that's what prefixes are for, experimental stuff
# [11:10] <Ms2ger> Because the longer we wait, the more people could start to rely on it?
# [11:10] <@roc> exactly
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# [11:11] * darktrojan sees a horrible/nice future where css has versioned prefixes
# [11:11] <hsivonen> ...and another demonstration why prefix theory doesn't match author expectations
# [11:13] <louisremi> roc: Could you explain why this happened?
# [11:13] <Ms2ger> louisremi, bug 734953
# [11:13] <hsivonen> FWIW, CSS prefixing is no so bad that someone is writing a university thesis or some sort about it (and asked me about prefixes for the thesis)
# [11:13] <louisremi> Ms2ger: thanks
# [11:13] <@roc> louisremi: skew() isn't in the spec
# [11:13] <hsivonen> (well, maybe about W3C stuff more broadly than about just prefixes)
# [11:14] <darktrojan> ITYM *now so bad
# [11:14] <@roc> what sort of thesis is it? a history thesis?
# [11:14] <Ms2ger> roc, so when are we unprefixing?
# [11:14] <hsivonen> right. "now so bad"
# [11:14] <@roc> that I don't know
# [11:14] <hsivonen> roc: dunno
# [11:14] <louisremi> roc: skew is in the 3d-transform spec, AFAIK: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-3d-transforms/#transform-functions
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# [11:15] <Ms2ger> Why isn't that a redirect, dammit
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# [11:17] <louisremi> Waiting for the unprefixed version and advocating the change meanwhile would have given time for library authors to adapt their scripts.
# [11:17] <Ms2ger> That sounds likely
# [11:18] <@roc> it's still several weeks before that change ships
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# [11:19] <louisremi> roc: I could have used more time, there's no reason to hurry.
# [11:19] <Ms2ger> There is, as I explained earlier
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# [11:21] <darktrojan> is that stuff nearing unprefixing?
# [11:21] <hsivonen> darktrojan: the 3 in CSS3 means that unprefixing is always 3 months away
# [11:21] <louisremi> Ms2ger: not if we start telling people not to use it anymore.
# [11:21] <darktrojan> hsivonen, :D
# [11:22] <louisremi> Now we have a mere 3 month to contact all doc authors, library authors and their users to change it. That seems a little short to me.
# [11:22] <Ms2ger> I hack on browsers. I have no trust in people reacting to evangelism.
# [11:23] <@roc> louisremi: please comment in the bug with a list of broken sites
# [11:23] <@roc> the change was done on the assumption that it's not going to break much. If it is, then we can keep skew() in the spec and revert the change
# [11:23] <louisremi> roc: alright.
# [11:24] <@roc> thanks
# [11:26] <Ms2ger> JSBool found = PR_FALSE;
# [11:27] <Ms2ger> louisremi, I guess you didn't see the note at http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-3d-transforms/#status ?
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# [11:28] <louisremi> Ms2ger: I didn't, thanks for the nudge
# [11:28] <Ms2ger> Good
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# [11:29] <Ms2ger> That reinforces my opinion that it needs to be more obnoxious
# [11:30] <darktrojan> yeah, specs need a great big "this isn't the most up to date version" warning at the top
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# [11:32] <louisremi> By the way, do you know if it's still time to propose an improvement to the interpolation algorithm of transform?
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# [11:33] <Ms2ger> You can always try
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# [12:18] <darktrojan> is |transition: opacity,visibility 500ms| valid, or do I have to specify 500ms before the comma too?
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# [12:29] <@smaug> ahaa, silly me, 0 % anynumber == 0 isn't quite what I want
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# [12:38] <@smaug> is this "gfxContext.h:721:10: warning: class 'GlyphBufferAzure' was previously declared as a struct [-Wmismatched-tags]" reasonable new warning
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# [12:41] <Ms2ger> for (int i = 0; i < mEnabledSensors.Length(); i++)
# [12:41] * Ms2ger grumbles
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# [12:53] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: what programming language?
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# [12:57] <NhanTDN> Maybe C#?
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# [13:00] <Ms2ger> C++
# [13:00] <Ms2ger> Where Length() returns PRUint32
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# [13:01] <@smaug> Ms2ger: did I review that code
# [13:02] <Ms2ger> Dunno
# [13:02] <@smaug> hg, don't be so slow
# [13:02] <@smaug> Ms2ger: that code is in nsGlobalwindow, right?
# [13:02] <Ms2ger> Yep
# [13:03] <@smaug> is hg.mozilla.org down?
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# [13:04] <Ms2ger> mwu did
# [13:04] <nigelb> hg wfm
# [13:04] <Ms2ger> dougt, boo
# [13:04] <Ms2ger> (Bug 734855)
# [13:04] <@smaug> Ms2ger: patch by dougt and review by mwu ?
# [13:04] <Ms2ger> Yep
# [13:04] <@smaug> and code is changing dom/base
# [13:05] * @smaug kicks dougt again. Sorry dougt :)
# [13:05] <Ms2ger> I should start backing out patches like that...
# [13:05] <Ms2ger> Or get some L3s revoked
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# [13:06] <@smaug> well, that is too much
# [13:06] <@smaug> I think I and bz asked kindly that dom code should be reviewed by people who know about dom
# [13:06] <@smaug> though, this case is about gecko code in general
# [13:09] <glandium> smaug: hey, would you have time to provide build logs for when you were getting crashes in nss ?
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# [13:09] <@smaug> glandium: hopefully later today
# [13:09] <glandium> smaug: thanks
# [13:09] <@smaug> glandium: what kinds of logs you need?
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# [13:10] <glandium> smaug: build log. Mostly everything from the point you reach security/manager to the point you get out of it
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# [13:13] <gabor> how can I run a reftest test like this: js1_5/Regress/regress-328897.js locally?
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# [13:27] <KaiRo> from webmaster@m.o email: "Google chrome is frequently crashing. AND I CANNOT GET BACK TO THE PAGE I WAS ON. THIS IS PRETTY ANNOYING. I JUST RECEIVED THIS FIREFOX AD IN CHROME. WOULD YOU SUGGEST I SWITCH TO FIREFOX BROWSER TO AVOID CRASHING ALL THE TIME?"
# [13:27] <Ms2ger> Yes.
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# [13:27] <mcsmurf> heh
# [13:28] <Ms2ger> Or SeaMonkey
# [13:29] <Ms2ger> But then again, they might want a bearable UI ;)
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# [13:45] <kaie> just curious, is there already a fixed date for the next mountain view work week?
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# [13:49] <@smaug> kaie: for which team?
# [13:50] <kaie> all teams. In the past there were work weeks for all teams. has that changed? but in particular I'm in interested in security.
# [13:50] <@smaug> I would be surprised to see anything like allhands @mv
# [13:50] <kaie> ok
# [13:50] <@smaug> just because there are so many employees
# [13:50] <Ms2ger> Surely a square foot per attendee is enough?
# [13:50] <@smaug> sure
# [13:50] <Ms2ger> And a hundred for a friendly fragon
# [13:51] <Ms2ger> fragon, really?
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# [13:52] <@smaug> kaie: but no, I'm not aware of any dates for all hands or summit
# [13:53] <kaie> ok thanks :)
# [13:53] <@smaug> btw, SF office is much nicer than MV, or perhaps not the office, but the city
# [13:53] <Ms2ger> I heard something about an all hands on a cruise ship...
# [13:54] <kaie> cruise ships are too dangerous, and internet access to expensive
# [13:54] <@smaug> cruise from Helsinki to Stockholm and back ? :)
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# [13:54] <Ms2ger> Nah, just around the coast of Italy
# [13:55] <@smaug> probably much better
# [13:56] <kaie> depends on the captain
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# [14:14] <Optimizer> My Nightly just told me that Java plugin will cause problems and should be disabled, and asked me to restart
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# [14:15] <@smaug> Optimizer: so?
# [14:15] <@smaug> http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2012/04/02/blocking-java/
# [14:15] <Optimizer> was thid behavior from before ?
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# [14:15] <Optimizer> s/thid/this
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# [14:17] <Unfocused> the ability to show those warnings and disable insecure plugins? yes, its been around for a very long time
# [14:17] <Optimizer> ok
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# [14:24] <ted2> do we *still* have an SSL shutdown hang?
# [14:24] <ted2> i just went to restart my mac nightly and hit one
# [14:24] <ted2> i am saddened
# [14:24] <Optimizer> is it the bug that is causing facebook to timeout after 15 minutes of use on each browser start ?
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# [14:26] <ted2> main thread is PR_Waiting inside nsHttpConnectionMgr::Shutdown()
# [14:26] <ted2> and the SSL thread is waiting inside mozilla::psm::SyncRunnableBase::DispatchToMainThreadAndWait()
# [14:26] <ted2> yuck
# [14:26] <Optimizer> ted2: is it the bug that is causing facebook to timeout after 15 minutes of use on each browser start ?
# [14:27] <ted2> i have no idea
# [14:27] <ted2> this is a shutdown hang
# [14:27] <ted2> sounds completely different
# [14:27] <Optimizer> oh
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# [14:28] <Ms2ger> http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/552369_3413801219346_1099517148_3314376_358705928_n.jpg
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# [14:29] <ted2> heyo
# [14:29] <Optimizer> yeah we should prbably make an addon for chrome named irefox, which will open firefox instead of chrome when you try to do so
# [14:29] <Optimizer> Firefox*
# [14:31] <sheppy> :)
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# [14:34] <glazou> kaze: ping
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# [14:35] <glazou> kaze: will be resurrecting your (and Vivien's) old phpStreamConverter
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# [14:36] <kaze> glazou: nice :)
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# [14:36] <kaze> glazou: please do
# [14:36] <glazou> a bit of work to make it conformant to today's components but it still works ; I'll revamp a few things in the document's creator though
# [14:36] <glazou> thanks
# [14:36] <glazou> found a bug too :-)
# [14:36] <kaze> impossible! :)
# [14:36] <glazou> that could crash the component
# [14:36] <glazou> eh :)
# [14:37] <Ameya> convetChromeURL converts chormeurl to its real path right?
# [14:37] <glazou> kaze: regexp /charset=([^"\s]*)/i should have been /charset=([^"\s]+)/i ; a + instead of *
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# [14:38] <kaze> glazou: makes sense
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# [14:39] <Ms2ger> glazou, do you know if anything is happening to css3-transforms?
# [14:39] <glandium> jlebar, ehsan: http://bit.ly/HMLDq9 (jemalloc2, narenas=1, madvise vs. mmap)
# [14:39] <glazou> Ms2ger: define "happening" ?
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# [14:40] <Ms2ger> glazou, presumably some things need to happen before it's taken to LC/CR
# [14:40] <glazou> oh sure
# [14:41] <Optimizer> Id there any open bug to convert the style of bookmarks and/or history sidebar consistant with firefox, its been 7 releases after the styling changed!
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# [14:41] <glazou> Ms2ger: it's still under quite heavy discussion you know
# [14:43] <Ms2ger> Is it? I must have missed that somehow
# [14:43] <glandium> jlebar, ehsan: http://bit.ly/HMMQOp (jemalloc vs jemalloc2 ; rss is not purged with jemalloc2)
# [14:43] <Ameya> does convetChromeURL convert chormeurl to its real path ?
# [14:44] <Ameya> hello
# [14:44] <glazou> Ms2ger: we decided to publish a new WD
# [14:44] <glazou> eh, it just became live
# [14:45] <Ameya> i mean chrome://sample/content/clock.js to some file:///C:/project/mozilla-central/obj-i686-pc-mingw32/dist.....
# [14:45] <Ameya> any idea????
# [14:45] <glazou> Ms2ger: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-css3-transforms-20120403/
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# [14:46] <Ms2ger> glazou, thanks
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# [14:53] <hsivonen> mounir: I hope you aren't giving in to the requests to expose the type of connection in the network info API
# [14:53] <ted2> Ameya: i'm fairly certain that's what that method does, yes
# [14:54] <hsivonen> mounir: seems extremely short-sighted to enumerate a bunch of connection types that are in use today
# [14:54] <hsivonen> mounir: sites wouldn't be updated if the enumeration is ever expanded
# [14:54] <Ameya> ok ..fine. what would happen if i give non-chrome url to convertURl ???
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# [14:54] <hsivonen> mounir: so it couldn't be expanded
# [14:55] <ted2> Ameya: i have no idea, you'd have to consult the source
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# [14:55] <ted2> Ameya: i'd guess that it would just return you an error
# [14:55] <Ameya> ted2: it should return as it is ..right?
# [14:56] <Ameya> ok
# [14:56] <Ameya> anyone here could answer me?
# [14:56] <ted2> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/chrome/src/nsChromeRegistry.cpp#305
# [14:56] <Ameya> ted2: do u know anyone here who could answer me?
# [14:56] <ted2> just look at the source...
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# [14:57] <ted2> or test it
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# [14:59] <ted2> it looks like it will probably just return failure
# [14:59] <ted2> since it expects to find things in the chrome registry
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# [15:00] <Ameya> ted2: yup...that explanation is somewhat confusing.... it says this chrome://package/provider/file will be expanded to chrome://package/provider/package.ext
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# [15:01] <Ameya> there is nothing like file:///C:/project/mozilla-central/..... I mean real path
# [15:02] <ted2> hm
# [15:02] <glandium> Ameya: you may need to call it recursively
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# [15:03] <Ameya> srry... not getting.....recursively
# [15:03] <Ameya> ??
# [15:05] <glandium> actually, no, it should actually return a non-chrome url
# [15:05] <ted2> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1552079
# [15:05] <ted2> seems to work
# [15:05] <glandium> most likely jar:
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# [15:06] <ted2> Ameya: i think that description is just telling you that if you pass chrome://browser/content/, it gets handled as chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
# [15:06] <ted2> (which you can also see in my pastebin)
# [15:07] <glandium> can someone on a mac give me a copy of omni.ja from their Firefox/Nightly.app directory?
# [15:08] <ted2> i would but uploading it on my connection will probably be painful
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# [15:09] <glandium> ted2: even a few megabytes ?
# [15:09] <Ameya> ok
# [15:09] <mounir> hsivonen: do I look like I will give up in the thread? :)
# [15:09] <glandium> waw, you must have a connection crappier than mine, then
# [15:09] <ted2> glandium: okay, i'll give it a shot
# [15:09] <mounir> hsivonen: ask sicking, I'm quite stubborn ;)
# [15:09] <ted2> glandium: i'm on a mobile 3G hotspot thing right now
# [15:09] <ted2> out in the middle of nowhwere with crappy reception
# [15:09] <glandium> ted2: ouch
# [15:10] <ted2> yeah
# [15:10] <ted2> no home internet yet :-(
# [15:10] <glandium> ted2: does it take that long to get internet in the middle of nowhere?
# [15:10] <ted2> you have to deal with utility companies, so yes
# [15:10] <ted2> we're waiting for verizon to string phone lines
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# [15:11] <Ameya> ted2: what is line 7 & 8 in that pastebin..?
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# [15:11] <ted2> Ameya: that's just me checking what the URI that newURI call gave me
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# [15:13] <glandium> ted2: probably because a lot of types.toString is useless
# [15:14] <glandium> uri.spec will give it
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# [15:14] <hsivonen> mounir: excellent :-)
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# [15:16] <Ameya> yup...got it. What if i give jar:file:///Applications/Nightly.app/Contents/MacOS/omni.ja!/chrome/browser/content/browser/browser.xul instead of chrome://browser/content in newURL()
# [15:17] <Ameya> I mean reverse way...
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# [15:17] <Ameya> real path to ConvertChromeURl
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# [15:18] <sheppy> IDL question: how is "dictionary" different from "interface"? I know what a dictionary is, but I'm confused by what if any distinction there is in IDL and how the result is reflected in terms of how they're used in code.
# [15:18] <Ameya> ted2: u there?
# [15:18] <glandium> Ameya: there is no such thing
# [15:19] <glandium> Ameya: the closest is PathifyURI in startupcache/StartupCacheUtils.cpp, and it's pretty far from what you want (and is not available to javascript)
# [15:19] <Ms2ger> sheppy, dictionary is for user objects
# [15:19] <Ms2ger> Like...
# [15:19] <sheppy> Trying to decide how to go about documenting them, as this is the first time I've encountered one. :)
# [15:20] <sheppy> (BlobPropertyBag)
# [15:20] <Ms2ger> http://w3c-test.org/webapps/WebStorage/tests/submissions/Ms2ger/event_constructor_js.html
# [15:20] <Ameya> glandium: i have several urls some r of form chrome:// & some of file:///C:/project/mozilla-central/... I want to bring them into same format...
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# [15:20] <sheppy> Ms2ger: I take it StorageEvent is one.
# [15:21] <glandium> Ameya: then transform the chrome:// urls into file:// urls
# [15:21] <Ms2ger> sheppy, takes one as an argument
# [15:21] <sheppy> If I documented BlobPropertyBag right alongside all the other stuff in the DOM reference (that is, at en/DOM/BlobPropertyBag), would that be okay?
# [15:21] <sheppy> Or would it be weird?
# [15:21] <Ameya> but how would I know that url is in chrome form....
# [15:21] <Ms2ger> See http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/#idl-dictionaries
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# [15:22] <Ms2ger> sheppy, unless it's used in more than one place, I'd just add it to the page about the functions that use it
# [15:22] <sheppy> Ms2ger: Yeah, okay, that was the other option. I'll do it that way then.
# [15:22] <sheppy> Was just intrigued because I'd literally never seen one before. :)
# [15:22] <Ameya> glandium: see I have one url how to find whether it is chromeurl or not...?
# [15:23] <Ameya> is there isChromeUrl() method ...?
# [15:23] <Ameya> ted2: is there isChromeUrl() method ...?
# [15:24] <glandium> Ameya: if you want to know if jar:file:///c:/program files/firefox/omni.ja!/chrome/... is a chrome:// url, you can't
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# [15:24] <Ms2ger> sheppy, they're pretty new
# [15:24] <sheppy> Ms2ger: ah, that explains it then
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# [15:25] <ted2> Ameya: if you have a chrome:?? URL, and it's an actual nsIURI object, you can just check scheme
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# [15:32] <Ameya> ted2: that seems ok..
# [15:34] <Ameya> ted2:also there is schemeIs()
# [15:34] <ted2> oh, yeah
# [15:35] <ted2> use that
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# [15:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f9c4e2016539 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 741065. (Av1) controller.js: Fix "function PCDH_onDrop does not always return a value". r=mak77.
# [15:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5128e92c536c - Serge Gautherie - Bug 741066. (Av1) browserPlacesViews.js: Fix 2 "function ... does not always return a value". r=mak77.
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# [15:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2c8a0c3b47f4 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 739687. (Av1) test_classifier.html and test_classifier_worker.html: Set preference they depend on, Some rewrite and documentation. r=dcamp.
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# [15:55] <@smaug> jwatt: do you know about svg as html image?
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# [15:56] <@smaug> jwatt: especially, what and where keeps the svg document alive in that case
# [15:56] <jwatt> smaug: dholbert wrote that code
# [15:56] <@smaug> jwatt: I'm trying to optimize out such documents from cycle collection graph, Bug 741760
# [15:56] <jwatt> smaug: not exactly, but if you can't wait for dholbert to be up and about I can probably figure it out for you :)
# [15:56] <@smaug> I can wait
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# [15:57] <@smaug> though, this jetlag is horrible...
# [15:57] <jwatt> yeah, I'm still suffering
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# [16:09] <KaiRo> interesting - if I fullscreen a WebM video in Firefox on one of my screen, move the mouse to the other, and click anywhere, we exit fullscreen
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# [16:16] <ted2> glandium: http://people.mozilla.com/~tmielczarek/omni.ja
# [16:16] <ted2> if you still need it
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# [16:16] <Ms2ger> mak, why does onDrop at http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/93251eb39b6e/browser/components/places/content/controller.js#l1509 only sometimes return a value?
# [16:16] <mak> Ms2ger: patch about to land
# [16:16] <Ms2ger> Ta
# [16:16] <glandium> ted2: thanks a bunch
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# [16:17] <ted2> np
# [16:17] <Ms2ger> ted2, also, didn't we have a guy who was going to speed up our build system?
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# [16:17] <Ms2ger> Morning philor
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# [16:19] <glandium> I want http://harthur.github.com/fileit/ on bmo
# [16:20] <Ms2ger> "DOM" is the 8th result when entering "dom"
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# [16:23] <philor> good morning Ms2ger
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# [16:27] <Ameya> glandium: i tried to use AString map(in nsIURI scriptURL); in IDL file but while compiling it gives error as raise IDLError("type '%s' not found" % id, location) xpidl.IDLError: error: type 'nsIURI' not found.
# [16:27] <mak> Ms2ger: actually the patch landed 20 mins before your question :)
# [16:29] <Ameya> glandium: u there?
# [16:29] <Ms2ger> Heh
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# [16:29] <Ameya> anyone what is this error?
# [16:29] <Ms2ger> Ameya, add 'interface nsIURI;' at the top if the file
# [16:30] <Ameya> shit...i didnt get that.... thnks..
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# [16:41] <evilpie_> Ms2ger: fork it, fix it!
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# [17:07] <rohan> hi robcee
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# [17:07] <robcee> go to #devtools, please
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# [17:11] <gcp> taras: ping
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# [17:16] <gavin> NeilAway: it uses the magical command dispatch system which is hard to understand and look up (a lot of indirection)
# [17:17] <surkov> I'm getting link error on win7 64 when building todays trunk: ObjectImpl.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: bool __thiscall js::Uint8ClampedElementsHeader::defineElement( mozjs.dll : fatal error LNK1120: 1 unresolved externals
# [17:17] <surkov> any idea?
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# [17:17] <gavin> NeilAway: as opposed to, say, calling copyUtils.copyImage(this.target)
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# [17:18] <gavin> NeilAway: (which is basically what DocumentViewerImpl::CopyImage() does)
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# [17:22] <rohan> hi gerv
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# [17:23] <gerv> rohan: Hi.
# [17:23] <rohan> I just got your comment on my GSoC Proposal
# [17:23] <rohan> I guess it was you, right?
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# [17:26] <@bz> grrr
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# [17:27] <rohan> gerv can i have your email address for communication?
# [17:27] <gerv> rohan: gerv@mozilla.org.
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# [17:37] <@bz> doing initial compilation with clang is such a PITA. :(
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# [17:39] <espindola> how are we supposed to handle sqlite's allocation failing?
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# [17:39] <espindola> I think I found a case while running regress-617935.js
# [17:39] <espindola> sqlite3DbMallocRaw fails, returns null.
# [17:39] <espindola> sqlite3DbStrDup does nothing
# [17:40] <espindola> p->zSql is set to null
# [17:40] <espindola> we try to log a slow sql query
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# [17:40] <@bz> espindola: do you have a moment for a clang qustion?
# [17:40] <espindola> and crash trying to read p->zSql
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# [17:40] <espindola> bz, sure
# [17:40] <@bz> espindola: so I'm getting a ton of warnings like this
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# [17:41] <@bz> ../../../mozilla/js/xpconnect/src/XPCMaps.h:384:31: warning: equality comparison with extraneous parentheses [-Wparentheses-equality]
# [17:41] <@bz> if (((entry)->keyHash == 0))
# [17:41] <@bz> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^~~~
# [17:41] <@bz> ../../../mozilla/js/xpconnect/src/XPCMaps.h:384:31: note: remove extraneous parentheses around the comparison to silence this warning
# [17:41] <@bz> if (((entry)->keyHash == 0))
# [17:41] <@bz> ~ ^ ~
# [17:41] <@bz> ../../../mozilla/js/xpconnect/src/XPCMaps.h:384:31: note: use '=' to turn this equality comparison into an assignment
# [17:41] <@bz> if (((entry)->keyHash == 0))
# [17:41] <@bz> ^~
# [17:41] <@bz> =
# [17:41] <mounir> bz++
# [17:41] <mounir> very fast review ;)
# [17:41] <@bz> mounir: I try
# [17:41] <@bz> espindola: the actual line of code is:
# [17:41] <@bz> if (JS_DHASH_ENTRY_IS_FREE(entry))
# [17:41] <mounir> bz: 1 minutes and 19 seconds between patch attachment and r+ is more than trying
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# [17:42] <@bz> espindola: where the jsdhash header has:
# [17:42] <espindola> bz, you are using ccache?
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# [17:42] <@bz> #define JS_DHASH_ENTRY_IS_FREE(entry) ((entry)->keyHash == 0)
# [17:42] <mounir> bz: with sicking it's more like 1 month and 19 days :D
# [17:42] <@bz> espindola: I am, yes
# [17:42] <@bz> mounir: lol
# [17:42] <espindola> bz, known problem, sorry
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# [17:42] <@bz> espindola: :(
# [17:42] <Ms2ger> inline bool JS_DHASH_ENTRY_IS_FREE(foo* entry) { return entry->keyHash == 0; }
# [17:42] <@bz> Ms2ger: C API
# [17:42] <Ms2ger> C--
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# [17:42] <Ms2ger> Remove jsdhash
# [17:43] <@bz> espindola: the problem is that all the warnings hide the compile errors. :(
# [17:43] <gcp> dcamp: ping
# [17:43] <@bz> espindola: as well as all other warnings....
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# [17:43] <Ms2ger> (Fortunately, terrence is doing just that)
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# [17:43] <Ms2ger> mounir, wow, you get fast reviews from sicking
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# [17:44] <dcamp> gcp: in a meeting, will ping back in a few
# [17:44] <@bz> espindola: just 9 copies of that triple-warning pushes everything else off the screen. :(
# [17:44] <mounir> Ms2ger: that's because I know where he lives ;)
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# [17:44] <jlebar> glandium, I'm to understand that jemalloc2 is a big perf win, and madvise is much faster than mmap(FIXED)?
# [17:44] <espindola> ccache destroys the macros
# [17:44] <Ms2ger> mounir, oooh, tell me ;)
# [17:45] <espindola> bz, the correct fix is to use something like distcc-pump
# [17:45] <espindola> which would let us cache the individual files
# [17:45] <espindola> and is a lot more bandwidth efficient anyway
# [17:45] <mounir> Ms2ger: man, I can't, if I make that public, I will lose my privilege
# [17:45] <espindola> (disk bandwidth at least)
# [17:45] <glandium> jlebar: i wouldn't say big, but there is some win. and yes, madvise is much faster than mmap(FIXED), sadly.
# [17:45] <Ms2ger> mounir, you don't need to make it *public*, I won't tell anybody ;)
# [17:46] <espindola> I started looking at it some time ago, found some problems, but it looks like distcc is not being maintained anymore
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# [17:47] <@bz> espindola: yeah, I'm not using distcc, just pure ccache
# [17:47] <jlebar> glandium, Anything which pushes those benchmarks multiple percentages across the board is pretty "big" imo.
# [17:47] <jlebar> multiple percentage points
# [17:47] <@bz> espindola: using distcc was slower
# [17:47] <@bz> espindola: can I at least turn off the warning somehow?
# [17:47] <espindola> bz, what we need is the "-pump" bits
# [17:47] <espindola> it is a include scanner
# [17:47] <@bz> espindola: yeah, I understand that
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# [17:48] <espindola> bz, you can use a -Wno-....
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# [17:49] <glandium> jlebar: yeah, but when you look at the error margin...
# [17:49] <Ameya> when I try if(iid->Equals(NS_GET_IID(nsICookieManager))) it gives error: 'nsICookieManager': the symbol to the left of a '::' must be a type
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# [17:50] <jlebar> glandium, Oh, well I guess the biggest wins were on 10.5, but that's not a fair comparison.
# [17:50] <Ameya> what does it mean?
# [17:50] <Ameya> glandium: ??
# [17:50] <glandium> jlebar: esp. considering on 10.5 it's no-jemalloc vs jemalloc2
# [17:50] <jlebar> Ameya, Maybe you're missing a #include.
# [17:50] <jlebar> glandium, Right.
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# [17:51] <jlebar> glandium, Okay, small win. :)
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# [17:51] <glandium> jlebar: we'll have to tweak some parameters for memory, though
# [17:52] <jlebar> glandium, Yeah, I'm kind of worried about that. But we'll figure it out.
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# [17:58] <@khuey> Ms2ger: do you still need my review in 647323?
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# [17:58] <Ms2ger> firebot, bug 647323?
# [17:58] * @khuey sees that the bug is RESOLVED FIXED
# [17:58] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647323 nor, --, mozilla14, Ms2ger, RESO FIXED, Import and wrap HTMLWG's testharness.js
# [17:58] <Ms2ger> I guess not
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# [17:58] <@khuey> cool
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# [17:59] <@khuey> "Hi! I'm part of a IT team, and we have a big problem: we have developed a web application using Applets and working on Firefox for the government, we have 15.000 users using this application that probably won't can work tomorrow."
# [17:59] <@khuey> The version of our Firefox is 3.0.10 and java 1.6.0.13, and now this application only runs with these versions."
# [17:59] * @khuey dies a little inside
# [17:59] <glandium> ehsan: ping
# [18:00] <@ehsan> glandium: hey
# [18:00] <glandium> ehsan: did you have results with a build without madvise?
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# [18:00] <mdas> khuey: lol that sounds fun
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# [18:01] <philor> "1205 changesets omitted" - sfink++
# [18:01] <glandium> khuey: now you understand how some enterprises can feel uncomfortable with esr
# [18:01] <@ehsan> glandium: I have not gotten around to that yet :(
# [18:01] <jhammel> khuey: is this our government?
# [18:01] <@ehsan> :q
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# [18:01] <@khuey> jhammel: judging by the use of '.' for a thousands separator, no
# [18:02] <@bz> khuey: where is this from?
# [18:02] <jhammel> heh
# [18:02] <@bz> khuey: and agreed on internal death
# [18:02] <@khuey> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739955#c69
# [18:02] <@bz> er...
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# [18:02] <@bz> bug with that number + 69 comments?
# [18:02] * @bz demurs
# [18:02] <@khuey> yeah
# [18:02] <@khuey> this is the java blocklist bug
# [18:02] <dwarfcrank> Anyone know about the linker errors on Windows with today's trunk?
# [18:02] <@bz> espindola: aha, '-' after "no". Lemme try this
# [18:02] <dwarfcrank> Error is "ObjectImpl.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "public: bool __thiscall js::Uint8ClampedElementsHeader::defineElement(..."
# [18:03] <jlebar> mccr8, When the CC runs, what thread does it do most of its work on?
# [18:03] <@bz> espindola: lovely, thanks!
# [18:03] <mccr8> jlebar: the CC thread
# [18:03] <jlebar> mccr8, The main thread just sits there?
# [18:03] <mccr8> jlebar: yup.
# [18:03] <glandium> ehsan: ok. another thing that could be worth exploring is modifying opt_dirty_max
# [18:03] <jlebar> mccr8, Cool, thanks.
# [18:03] <Ms2ger> dwarfcrank, I've seen that a bit back here...
# [18:03] <mccr8> jlebar: no problem
# [18:03] <@ehsan> glandium: do you have a good value for that in mind?
# [18:03] <@ehsan> (for testing that is)
# [18:04] <dwarfcrank> Ms2ger: Seems like surkov had the same issue close to an hour ago
# [18:04] <Ms2ger> surkov, did you find a solution to that? ^
# [18:04] <Ms2ger> Yep
# [18:04] <dwarfcrank> Building on MSVC10, btw
# [18:04] <surkov> Ms2ger: no
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# [18:05] <Ms2ger> Waldo, your fault ^
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# [18:05] <glandium> ehsan: nope, you'd have to try shifting by several different values. That is adjustable with MALLOC_CONF, btw
# [18:05] <Waldo> ?
# [18:05] * Waldo scrollsback
# [18:06] <glandium> ehsan: MALLOC_OPTIONS
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# [18:06] <espindola> vladan, I sent 741821 to you just because you were the last to change that part of the code
# [18:06] <@ehsan> ok
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# [18:06] <espindola> let me know if someone else should take a look at the sql..
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# [18:07] <Waldo> dwarfcrank: I'll land a fix shortly
# [18:08] <dwarfcrank> All right, awesome :)
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# [18:09] <surkov> Waldo: can you ping me please when you land a fix?
# [18:09] <Waldo> surkov: sure
# [18:09] <surkov> thanks!
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# [18:10] <Waldo> surkov: actually, you're on msvc10? can you test something quickly for me? try commenting out the Uint8ClampedElements::defineElement declaration in js/src/vm/ObjectImpl.h and see if that links
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# [18:11] <surkov> Waldo: ok
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# [18:11] * Waldo isn't seeing in retrospect why he needs that declaration, as the version in the superclass should be adequate
# [18:12] <Waldo> er, Uint8ClampedElementsHeader::defineElement, but you probably knew what I meant
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# [18:13] <surkov> yep, I'm running it on vm so it might be not super fast
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# [18:14] <Waldo> k, I'll see if I can get my own build going in the meantime, then
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# [18:16] <surkov> Waldo: yep, it passed js stuff compilation
# [18:16] <Waldo> surkov: cool, thanks
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# [18:16] * Waldo will push that posthaste
# [18:16] <surkov> yw
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# [18:18] <Waldo> dwarfcrank, surkov: fix pushed
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# [18:18] <surkov> Waldo: thanks!
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# [18:19] <dwarfcrank> Waldo: Sweet, thanks!
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# [18:19] * Waldo wonders why Windows is complaining there, actually
# [18:19] <reuben> http://dxr.lanedo.com/mozilla-central/layout/base/nsPresShell.cpp.html#l1555
# [18:19] <reuben> why
# [18:19] <Waldo> nothing's calling that method, I'd think, so shouldn't it just be a declaration that's never defined?
# [18:19] <surkov> Waldo: on central?
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# [18:19] <Waldo> surkov: oh, sorry, I pushed to inbound
# [18:20] <Waldo> I can push to m-c too, I guess
# [18:20] <surkov> k
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# [18:20] <Waldo> might take some time to pull a m-c tree, not sure I have one
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# [18:21] <Waldo> indeed I do not
# [18:21] <enda> does Firefox use x window for its UI on linux?
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# [18:22] <enda> or put another way, what does FF use for UI on linux?
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# [18:22] <Waldo> enda: it has an X backend, yes, but it's not using X's UI primitives -- it's using gtk+ which has its own
# [18:22] <Waldo> there's also a Qt backend, although I don't know how well-used it is
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# [18:25] <ted2> 'we built an intranet app that only works with an outdated unsupported version of Firefox and a known-vulnerable version of Java"
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# [18:33] <Ms2ger> ted2, and 15000 users \o_
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# [18:36] <Waldo> fix pushed to m-c as well now
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# [18:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3801f97de347 - Jeff Walden - Remove an unnecessary declaration that seems to be causing link errors only on Windows with some compilers. Followup to bug 739380, r=bustage
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# [18:38] <Waldo> surkov, dwarfcrank: ^
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# [18:50] <@bz> ted2: it could be worse
# [18:50] <@bz> ted2: it could be an _internet_ app
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# [18:54] <Ms2ger> bz, always the optimist...
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# [18:55] <@bz> Anyone have any ideas on how to extract more info from https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741279 ?
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# [18:57] <Ms2ger> bz, is expensing a flight to the user's home an option? :)
# [18:57] <@bz> Ms2ger: not for me
# [18:57] * @bz has been traveling too much already
# [18:57] <gcp> if he has extensions I presume it worked until a point
# [18:57] <@bz> do we have any sort of builds he could get me a useful stack with?
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# [18:57] <@bz> gcp: mmmm
# [18:57] <@bz> gcp: good call
# [18:58] <taras> gcp: pong
# [18:58] <gcp> taras: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668312
# [18:59] <gcp> taras: I'd like to add Telemetry to Java...but this limitation kinda ruins making a nice API for it.
# [18:59] <taras> gcp: not really
# [18:59] <@bz> gcp: thanks
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# [18:59] <taras> gcp: you just define the probe in .h file
# [18:59] <taras> and go on merrily
# [18:59] <taras> just like js
# [18:59] <dholbert> mccr8, thanks for the clarification on that bug. Does anything bad happen if, via some non-CC route, something that the CC thinks is/was "definitely alive" gets destroyed?
# [19:00] <dholbert> mccr8, or does that just mean that thing's to-be-CC'd stuff might be delayed slightly in getting CC'd?
# [19:00] <gcp> taras: yeah, but you must still define it in evil C++ :)
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# [19:00] <taras> gcp: it's simply a masterlist of probes
# [19:00] <gcp> taras: and probably, mirror the #define's in Java
# [19:00] <mccr8> dholbert: As long as it doesn't get destroyed during a CC but that would be bad in any event. ;)
# [19:00] <dholbert> mccr8, ok, cool
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# [19:01] <mccr8> dholbert: but yeah, it would indicate the potential for a leak, if the CC thinks something must be alive but it isn't necessarily actually alive.
# [19:01] <taras> gcp: or use strings :)
# [19:01] <gcp> taras: still need them in 2 places.
# [19:01] <taras> gcp: it's true
# [19:01] <taras> but having a masterlist does that
# [19:01] <gcp> taras: its not a biggy. just a bit sad.
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# [19:01] <taras> gcp: tradeoffs :)
# [19:01] <mccr8> dholbert: it is better to err on the conservative side. if something may or may not be alive, you don't want the CC to think it is definitely alive.
# [19:01] <dholbert> mccr8, I'm wondering in case we ever do something crazy like (temporarily) throw away SVG images in background tabs, and then re-parse them when you switch back
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# [19:02] <mccr8> dholbert: yeah, what would probably happen is that the CC after you did that would keep alive the image, so it would take an extra CC to throw them out, if the CC has to do it.
# [19:02] <@bz> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2012/04/03/10290129.aspx is hilarious
# [19:02] <@bz> "Hey, that's a neat trick. I didn't realize you could do that." is just golden
# [19:03] <dholbert> mccr8, OK
# [19:03] <mccr8> dholbert: I think the CC doesn't care if something just disappears like that. it doesn't keep its own references or anything.
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# [19:03] <jhammel> hah!
# [19:04] <jhammel> bz: the part after "I wonder if this person also programs loops like this: " I have sadly seen quite a bit back in the day
# [19:04] <jhammel> maybe not *quite* that bad, but...
# [19:04] <@bz> jhammel: heh
# [19:05] <@bz> jhammel: I have to admit that I'm a bit afraid that our DOM binding code can end up with this sort of thing
# [19:05] <@bz> jhammel: might be hard to avoid...
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# [19:05] <@bz> jhammel: (in fact, for at least some cases I _know_ it ends up with that sort of thing)
# [19:06] <Waldo> FUNROLL ALL THE LOOPS
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# [19:07] <@bz> Waldo: in my case, it's more autogeneration of switches and switch bodies...
# [19:08] <Waldo> AUTOGENERATE ALL THE SWITCHES
# [19:08] <Waldo> I can keep this going, y'know ;-)
# [19:08] <@bz> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1552292
# [19:08] <@bz> Waldo: AUTOCAPITALIZE ALL THE LETTERS? ;)
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# [19:09] <Waldo> FOR GREAT JUSTICE
# [19:09] <@bz> userContent.css: * { text-transform: uppercase !important; }
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# [19:10] <dougt> paul: do you have the new link for http://paulrouget.com/mwc-demos/hologram/
# [19:10] <dougt> that is a 404 now
# [19:10] <dougt> it was referenced in a bug
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# [19:13] <Waldo> bz: that's...special
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# [19:17] <@bz> Waldo: which?
# [19:18] <Waldo> bz: the pastebin with the switch'n'stuff
# [19:18] <@bz> waldo: oh. we're shipping that code now!
# [19:18] <Waldo> awesome
# [19:18] <@bz> waldo: if you have concrete proposals on improving it, btw, I'm all ears
# [19:18] <@bz> waldo: keep in mind this is autogenned code
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# [19:19] <Waldo> nah, that's too much work
# [19:19] <@bz> waldo: so the proposals have to apply to the code generator. ;)
# [19:19] <@bz> waldo: heh
# [19:19] <Waldo> he said, kind of seriously, kind of not
# [19:19] <@bz> waldo: I was pretty serious
# [19:19] <Waldo> sure
# [19:19] <@bz> waldo: I can totally believe there's low-hanging fruit here
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# [19:19] <@bz> waldo: so if anything in particular jumped out at you, say so
# [19:19] <@bz> waldo: I can think about how to mitigate it
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# [19:23] <Ms2ger> bz, actually, I do see something
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# [19:23] <Ms2ger> unsigned argcount = NS_MIN(argc, 1u);
# [19:23] <Ms2ger> switch (argcount) {
# [19:23] <Ms2ger> case 0: {
# [19:24] <Ms2ger> Or I don't know the difference between min and max
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# [19:24] <@khuey> hmm
# [19:24] <@khuey> who owns the XML parser in Gecko?
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# [19:24] <@khuey> hsivonen?
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# [19:25] <Ms2ger> Him or mrbkap, I guess
# [19:25] <Drugoy> yo
# [19:25] <Drugoy> when will limi resign?
# [19:26] <Waldo> heh
# [19:26] <Drugoy> seriously, Firefox becomes less and less usable from version to version
# [19:26] <Ms2ger> Maybe the day you get manners
# [19:26] <Drugoy> nah, thx, got my own ones
# [19:26] <@bz> khuey: hsivonen and peterv in some permutation
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# [19:26] <@khuey> ok
# [19:26] <@bz> khuey: peterv is the guy who knows about the expat and expatdriver end of things best
# [19:26] <Drugoy> seriously, isn't he supposed to be the one improving UI?
# [19:27] <@bz> khuey: hsivonen is the one who's dealt most with integration into the rest of gecko
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# [19:27] <Drugoy> AOM is a piece of sh1t, old one was 100 times better
# [19:27] <@bz> Ms2ger: still confused about the NS_MIN thing?
# [19:27] <@bz> Ms2ger: or all good now?
# [19:27] <Ms2ger> All good :)
# [19:27] <@khuey> bz: excellent, ty
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# [19:27] <@bz> ms2ger: good. ;)
# [19:28] <Drugoy> I've reported the bug about border-radius causing severe glitches in scroll and what? it still lags as hell
# [19:28] <@bz> ms2ger: since that was a copy/paste in the spec
# [19:28] <@bz> ms2ger: er from the spec
# [19:28] <Drugoy> AMO site uses suggests in the drop-down list, so you may type part of the add-on's name and it will suggest you a list of matching ones
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# [19:28] <Ms2ger> bz, in that case, it may be wrong after all :)
# [19:28] <Drugoy> AOM's built-in addon finder lacks this awesome feature
# [19:28] <@bz> ms2ger: heh
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# [19:29] <Drugoy> why is limi always absent?
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# [19:29] <@bz> khuey: ah, expat DoS
# [19:29] <Drugoy> is he even working or he's just a part of staff?
# [19:29] <@bz> khuey: "another one"
# [19:29] <Ms2ger> bz, I hope you didn't copy the part where you set onfoo to null if IsCallable(arg) is *true*? :)
# [19:30] <@khuey> bz: indeed
# [19:30] <@bz> Ms2ger: er...
# [19:30] <@bz> Ms2ger: sure not
# [19:30] <Drugoy> Why no one raises a really important question on any of your meetings? limi should resign, due to fails in his management
# [19:30] <@bz> Ms2ger: I just made that code make sense. ;)
# [19:30] <Drugoy> he is not a manager at all
# [19:30] <Ms2ger> bz, is that possible? :)
# [19:30] <@khuey> so
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# [19:30] <@khuey> is Gmail broken in anyone elses browser?
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# [19:30] <Drugoy> he might be a good person (who knows?), but he definitely doesn't fit his current position
# [19:30] <@bz> Ms2ger: " if (${argVal}.isObject() && JS_ObjectIsCallable(cx, &${argVal}.toObject())) {\n"
# [19:30] <@bz> " ${name} = &${argVal}.toObject();\n"
# [19:30] <@bz> " } else {\n"
# [19:30] <@bz> " ${name} = NULL;\n"
# [19:30] <@bz> " }\n")
# [19:31] <@bz> looks good to me!
# [19:31] <Drugoy> gmail broken? no, it's mozilla is broken
# [19:31] <Drugoy> limi broke it
# [19:31] <Ms2ger> bz, r-, wrong per spec :)
# [19:31] <@bz> Ms2ger: r- on spec
# [19:31] <Ms2ger> That works too
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# [19:31] <Ms2ger> Did you get heycam to fix arrays?
# [19:31] <Drugoy> well, Beltzner helped him a bit, but beltzner had balls to resign, and limi doesn't
# [19:32] <Drugoy> why are you all even using irc?
# [19:32] <@bz> Ms2ger: fix in what sense?
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# [19:32] <Ms2ger> bz, well, I thought you had issues with them
# [19:32] <@bz> Ms2ger: well, yes
# [19:32] <beltzner> Drugoy: you're doing that thing again, where you're being really aggressive and sound angry. It's hard to see it as only a language issue.
# [19:32] <@bz> Ms2ger: he admitted that there was a spec bug
# [19:32] <Drugoy> hi, Mike!
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# [19:32] <@bz> Ms2ger: hopefully he will fix it
# [19:33] <Drugoy> glad to see you!
# [19:33] <@khuey> omg its beltzner
# [19:33] <Drugoy> actually I am becoming angry slowly, so you are right
# [19:33] <@khuey> beltzner: how is oil-land?
# [19:33] <beltzner> Drugoy: just wanted to point it out :)
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# [19:33] <@khuey> also, who else around here uses gmail?
# [19:33] <Drugoy> seriously, why no one in mozilla is worried about it's popularity?
# [19:34] <beltzner> khuey: hey hey, it's thick and sloppy
# [19:34] <beltzner> khuey: I do
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# [19:34] <Drugoy> beltzner, ha-ha, you are in the nice position to point out at things
# [19:34] <@khuey> beltzner: can you load gmail in today's nightly?
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# [19:34] <@khuey> beltzner: does it tell you that you're not using a modern browser?
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# [19:34] <Ms2ger> Drugoy, well, as long as we inspire as much passion as we get from you, I think we're fine
# [19:34] <Drugoy> beltzner but I'd like to point out that Mozilla remaining deaf to the users' voice - is way more aggressive then I am
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# [19:35] <Drugoy> ms2ger, who are you?
# [19:35] <Drugoy> a developer?
# [19:35] <Drugoy> right?
# [19:35] <@khuey> an excellent question
# [19:35] <@khuey> who is Ms2ger?
# [19:35] <Drugoy> if so, then you do good things
# [19:35] <Drugoy> but
# [19:35] <beltzner> Drugoy: I'd like to point out that in my experience Mozilla listens to far more people than any of its competitors, and does its best to balance all the critiques and concerns given.
# [19:35] <Drugoy> you do them CHAOTICALLY
# [19:35] <beltzner> Drugoy: that doesn't actually mean doing what everyone says
# [19:35] <beltzner> but we've been through that before
# [19:35] <Drugoy> there are still 12 years OLD bugs in bugzilla
# [19:35] <jhammel> khuey: fwiw, gmail loads fine for me
# [19:35] <beltzner> Drugoy: also, you're kind of spamming a development channel right now
# [19:35] <@bz> Drugoy: "chaotically" is a good description of what Ms2ger does, yes
# [19:36] <beltzner> please let this be on topic
# [19:36] <@khuey> jhammel: interesting
# [19:36] <@bz> Drugoy: so what?
# [19:36] <jhammel> ah wait, not sure i updated
# [19:36] <@khuey> jhammel: latest nightly?
# [19:36] <@khuey> bz: :-D
# [19:36] <jhammel> lemme check
# [19:36] <Drugoy> and the fact that you don't give a sh1t about them says you do only the thing you are personally interested in
# [19:36] <@bz> Drugoy: have you read dbaron's article on bug age?
# [19:36] <beltzner> khuey: huh, I seem to be stuck on 03-30
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# [19:36] <beltzner> ah, here we go
# [19:36] * beltzner updates
# [19:36] <@khuey> beltzner: seems undesirable
# [19:36] <@bz> drugoy: or only the things that matter. Or only the things with the best bang for the buck.
# [19:36] <Drugoy> so it's like "thanks that your current goals are the same as our"
# [19:36] <Waldo> ...and here I was thinking this channel was doing an unusually good job restraining itself :-(
# [19:36] <jhammel> khuey: bah, i lied, will retry in a sec
# [19:36] <Drugoy> and nothing else
# [19:36] <@bz> waldo: oh, I _am_ restraining myself. You'll know when I stop. ;)
# [19:36] <Waldo> bz: try harder :-)
# [19:37] <Drugoy> beltzner, I'm on topic here
# [19:37] <Ms2ger> bz, well, I won't deny that!
# [19:37] <Drugoy> you are discussing quite current goals here
# [19:37] <beltzner> Drugoy: look, I can point out several cases - many more than the opposite, actually - where Mozilla's behaviour was altered based on community response. The ones that stick in people's minds though are the ones they are angry about.
# [19:37] <Drugoy> and i'm talking generally
# [19:37] <Drugoy> where is the whole development vector is pointing at?
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# [19:37] <@bz> Drugoy: in any case, 1) I appreciate the concern. 2) Please drop the FUD and name-calling. 3) Do some reading before talking about things you're not very knowledgeable about; it'll help you actually convince people.
# [19:37] <Drugoy> Firefox loses it's positions
# [19:37] <Mossop> khuey: Fine here
# [19:37] <Drugoy> and that is a fact
# [19:37] <@khuey> Mossop: latest nightly?
# [19:37] <Mossop> khuey: Yep
# [19:37] <@khuey> interesting
# [19:38] <@bz> ms2ger: I didn't think you would!
# [19:38] <beltzner> khuey: wfm, latest nightly, windows 7
# [19:38] <Drugoy> bz, sorry, what is FUD? not familiar with that
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# [19:38] <Drugoy> bz, I did some reading before talking and it's time for talking now
# [19:38] <@khuey> beltzner: ok, good to know
# [19:39] <Mossop> khuey: I'm Win7 too
# [19:39] <Drugoy> the fact that I can't convince anyone is that they do their own things and they are OK with that, since there seems to be no manager/director above them
# [19:39] <@khuey> Mossop: jhammel: beltzner: doh I set my UA to IE last night to test something
# [19:39] <beltzner> hahaha
# [19:39] <jhammel> khuey: ha ha! :P
# [19:39] <Ms2ger> khuey, nicely done
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# [19:39] <beltzner> khuey: I deduct 3 internet points
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# [19:39] <Mossop> khuey: I think you should switch to a modern browser ;)
# [19:39] <Ms2ger> khuey, did it involve xkcd?
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# [19:39] <@khuey> apparently IE 9 isn't a modern browser
# [19:39] <@bz> Drugoy: the "you just work on things you think are interesting" is a good example of FUD
# [19:39] <@khuey> Ms2ger: no
# [19:39] <@bz> Drugoy: or to be less polite about it, "blatant lies"
# [19:40] <Ms2ger> khuey, in that case, I deduct another 3 points
# [19:40] <@bz> Drugoy: though maybe just "sheer ignorance"
# [19:40] <@bz> Drugoy: depending on whether you have done the reading as you claim
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# [19:40] <Ms2ger> Hanlon's razor, &c.
# [19:40] <beltzner> khuey: anyway, turns out that I'm done in oil land, so if you know of anything else available, feel free to pass it my way!
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# [19:40] <@khuey> beltzner: orly?
# [19:41] <beltzner> khuey: yarly!
# [19:41] <Ms2ger> beltzner, hey, I need someone to work on HTML forms :)
# [19:41] <@khuey> beltzner: I'm sure the people that make Firefox are hiring :-P
# [19:41] <@bz> Ms2ger: well, I was attributing it to lack of background reading until claims of such were voiced!
# [19:41] <Mossop> beltzner: I hear we just lost a product manager or two ;)
# [19:41] <Drugoy> bz, you are claiming people
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# [19:42] <Drugoy> all those general phrases like "go do some reading first" are just not helpful and can't be used as an argument ANYWHERE
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# [19:42] <Drugoy> that is pretty obvious, that current Firefox' appearance sux hard, and that is pretty obvious that there should be someone responsible for that.
# [19:42] <beltzner> Drugoy: you know I agree with you; references would help, and Mozilla could be much better (though it is improving) at documenting why decisions were made
# [19:43] <beltzner> at the same time, I don't really respect your attitude of "if I can't convince you, I'd like to speak to your manager."
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# [19:43] <@bz> Drugoy: I pointed to specific reading
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# [19:43] <@bz> Drugoy: have you already read it?
# [19:43] * @bz would be very impressed if so
# [19:43] <Drugoy> beltzner, do you find this attitude aggressive or what? why don't you like it?
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# [19:43] <beltzner> Drugoy: I find it selfish
# [19:43] <@bz> Drugoy: and I'm not talking about appearance; I may even agree with you there
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# [19:44] <@bz> Drugoy: but just a few moments ago you accused every developer working on the project of being either incompetent, unprofessional, or malicious
# [19:44] <Ms2ger> Well, I'm at least two of those
# [19:44] <@bz> Drugoy: depending on what exactly you were trying to say
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# [19:44] <@bz> Ms2ger: yes, yes, the latter two
# [19:44] <@bz> Ms2ger: don't worry about it. ;)
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# [19:44] <Ms2ger> Three, then :)
# [19:45] <Drugoy> beltzner, why would it be selfish?
# [19:45] <@bz> Drugoy: so if you have a specific concern about a specific issue, just raise it. But if you want limi to see it, this is probably the wrong venue
# [19:45] <Drugoy> bz, I did raise it a few times here
# [19:45] <beltzner> Drugoy: because it implies that your opinion, and your time, is worth more than other people's, and that you *must* be listened to our heeded.
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# [19:46] <@bz> Drugoy: but let this be notice that I'd like you to stop blanket-maligning whole groups of people
# [19:46] <@bz> Drugoy: last warning
# [19:46] <Drugoy> some smart people like you listened to me and answered "yeah, you are probably right here and here" "we will open a bug for that" and then... nothing happened
# [19:46] <beltzner> (also, as a side note, I didn't resign for the reasons you implied - not in the slightest!)
# [19:46] <Drugoy> bz, that what happened last 2 times
# [19:47] <Drugoy> when I tried to politely point at the fails and lacks in the current UI.
# [19:47] <Drugoy> the result is that no one cares
# [19:47] <Drugoy> as no one is addressed about those issues
# [19:47] <beltzner> no, the result is that those issues go unfixed
# [19:47] <Drugoy> no, I've done some searching
# [19:47] <beltzner> but I assure you that people care
# [19:48] <Drugoy> there are no even bugs opened for that
# [19:48] * beltzner is done with this topic for today
# [19:48] <Drugoy> + I was talking about such easy-to-fix things that I'm just astonished that they are still not fixed
# [19:48] <gaston> bz: you were referring to http://dbaron.org/log/20080515-age-of-bugs or to smth more recent ?
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# [19:49] <@bz> gaston: precisely
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# [19:49] <Drugoy> there is not even a person who just accepts ideas and addresses them to above for further discussion
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# [19:49] <Ms2ger> beltzner, in that case, how about the job topic? :)
# [19:49] <Drugoy> Mozilla is like a bee hive for an outsider
# [19:49] <beltzner> Ms2ger: HTML forms, eh?
# [19:49] <Drugoy> no one will tell you whom to talk to
# [19:49] <@bz> Drugoy: no bugs opened because you didn't open?
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# [19:50] <Drugoy> bz, when I open them - they remain UNCO for years
# [19:50] <@bz> Drugoy: but anyway, for UI I have no clue what our process looks like
# [19:50] <Ms2ger> beltzner, well, letting you hire someone for that works too :)
# [19:50] <@bz> Drugoy: and neither do lots of other people
# [19:50] <@bz> Drugoy: no argument there
# [19:50] <sicking> mounir: ping
# [19:50] <Drugoy> bz, that's what I'm talking about. No one knows what are limi's duties, that's why he is still not fired ha-ha :)
# [19:51] <Drugoy> seriously, he is a leader of some "team" of developers, what are his responsibilities? is he the one that takes decisions? no one knows.
# [19:51] <gavin> he isn't a leader of a team of developers
# [19:52] <Drugoy> of "UX team"
# [19:52] <gavin> you should probably stop spouting out nonsense about things you don't fully understand
# [19:52] <Drugoy> I bet I read it somewhere in exactly these words
# [19:52] <beltzner> Ms2ger: send me your offer :)
# [19:53] <Drugoy> gavin, you should probably not messaging me since you are not helpful
# [19:53] <Drugoy> all those phrases like "you don't fully understand" and "do some reading first" - just gtfo with them
# [19:53] <@khuey> beltzner: we will give you five dollars
# [19:53] <gavin> if we're going to make the sole criteria for discussing things here be "helpfulness", I think you're going to have to leave
# [19:53] <@khuey> beltzner: Canadian, not US, so its even worth something
# [19:53] <Ms2ger> beltzner, you can do my internship this summer if you like? :)
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# [19:54] <@khuey> bz++
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# [19:54] <Drugoy> why did you kick me?
# [19:54] <Drugoy> just to clear things out
# [19:54] <Drugoy> I'm on topic here
# [19:54] <Drugoy> as this is the channel called "developers"
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# [19:55] <Drugoy> and it's main subject is (obviously) "development"
# [19:55] <Ms2ger> Nah
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# [19:55] <Drugoy> and I'm asking things about development
# [19:55] <Ms2ger> Its main subject is memes
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# [19:55] <@khuey> lol did we just block mibbit?
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# [19:55] <gavin> no
# [19:55] <beltzner> r=me, a191
# [19:55] <dwarfcrank> only on that one IP
# [19:55] <Ms2ger> gavin, you didn't give me the chance to complain about "it's"? :(
# [19:55] <@khuey> ah
# [19:55] <@khuey> ok
# [19:56] <gaston> i agree the main subject is memes
# [19:56] <beltzner> Ms2ger: if the main subject is memes, I'd be happy to work your internship for you
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# [19:56] <@khuey> "Mike Beltzner - Minister of Memes"
# [19:56] <beltzner> where do I sign?
# [19:57] <rnewman> I see what u did thar
# [19:57] * Ms2ger strangles rnewman
# [19:57] <rnewman> heh
# [19:57] <rnewman> ur alliterations, i has dem
# [19:57] <@khuey> strangling is against the code of conduct
# [19:57] * @bz mutters about people listring only volumes for SUV cargo areas
# [19:57] <@bz> if I were storing a fluid, that would be fine
# [19:57] <rnewman> bz: you mean you don't only carry polystyrene beads around?
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# [19:57] <Mossop> Melt everything down first
# [19:57] <@bz> but for most items, the length/width/height/projections matter
# [19:58] <@bz> rnewman: not when I need an SUV!
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# [19:58] <@bz> rnewman: in the amounts I need them polystyrene beads go quite well in a sedan back seat. ;)
# [19:58] <Ms2ger> Who needs an SUV anyway :)
# [19:58] <ted2> Ms2ger: if you ever have kids, man
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# [19:58] * Waldo wouldn't much want to think about an SUV in Camberville, but I guess out a bit where you are it's not too bad
# [19:58] <beltzner> ted2: I have a kid
# [19:58] <Ms2ger> They can get on their bikes
# [19:58] <beltzner> and a Golf GTI
# [19:59] <beltzner> \o/
# [19:59] <ted2> beltzner: you are a brave man
# [19:59] <Waldo> bikes ftw
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# [19:59] <ted2> also, kid*s*
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# [19:59] <Waldo> except when cars abruptly get in your way
# [19:59] <ted2> when you stuff two carseats in the back you run out of room :-(
# [19:59] <beltzner> ted2: yeah, I see where that becomes an issue
# [19:59] <@bz> ms2ger: I have some largish items I need to move
# [19:59] <Ms2ger> Your brains? :)
# [19:59] <mfinkle> and kids always seem to have friends too
# [19:59] <@bz> ms2ger: trying to figure out whether renting this particular SUV model for a few hours would do the trick
# [19:59] <rnewman> I think I might be able to get a Golf GTI in the back of my truck
# [19:59] * ted2 bought a station wagon/crossover sort of thing
# [19:59] <rnewman> certainly if I melted it down first
# [19:59] <Ms2ger> mfinkle, I didn't!
# [19:59] <@bz> ms2ger: or whether I need to find another option
# [20:00] <mfinkle> well, i didn't either
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# [20:00] <mfinkle> but my kids seem to have broke with tradition
# [20:00] <dwarfcrank> but I had a computer so it was fine!
# [20:00] <ted2> hah
# [20:00] <Ms2ger> Doesn't take as much room as friends, either
# [20:00] <dwarfcrank> Haha
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# [20:01] <ted2> i dunno, back when i had a midtower + CRT my computer probably took up as much space as i did
# [20:01] <Ms2ger> ted2, yeah, but you're old
# [20:01] <Ms2ger> Didn't you use mainframes at uni?
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# [20:02] <ted2> no, but i did learn Fortran 77 on an Apple IIe
# [20:02] <ted2> in high school
# [20:02] <ted2> of course that was mostly because our computer lab was out of date
# [20:02] <Ms2ger> High school computer lab, duh
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# [20:03] <dwarfcrank> We had javascript and canvas stuff in high school
# [20:03] <dwarfcrank> (yeah, this was about two years ago)
# [20:03] <Ms2ger> Well, to be fair, we had JS too
# [20:03] <Ms2ger> And document.write
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# [20:05] <@bz> we had no web in high school
# [20:05] <@bz> on which note, gotta run. ;)
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# [20:05] <Ms2ger> See you
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# [20:06] <@smaug> dholbert: ping
# [20:06] <dholbert> smaug, pong
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# [20:06] <@smaug> dholbert: is nsIDocument::IsBeingUsedAsImage() true for svg-as-image documents=
# [20:07] <@smaug> s/=/?/
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# [20:07] <dholbert> smaug, yes
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# [20:07] <KaiRo> "The version of our Firefox is 3.0.10 and java 1.6.0.13, and now this application only runs with these versions." And this guys really expects us to support his case and not block vulnerable Java plugins or what? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739955#c69
# [20:07] <@smaug> ah, good
# [20:08] <dholbert> that's true IFF we're an svg-as-image document
# [20:08] <@smaug> good good
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# [20:08] <Ms2ger> KaiRo, third to quote that in this channel is the charm :)
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# [20:08] <Ms2ger> dholbert, honk iff you like formal logic!
# [20:09] <dholbert> Ms2ger, heh
# [20:09] <KaiRo> Ms2ger: umm, didn't see it before - but then I didn't follow the channel that closely as I was doing other stuff, sorry
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# [20:10] <Ms2ger> KaiRo, hey, doing real work is a good thing ;)
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# [20:13] <mcsmurf> heh interesting, when you drag&drop a .jpg image from a tab to a folder in Windows explorer, it gets copied as-is (at least in seamonkey ;)
# [20:13] <mcsmurf> when you hold the Ctrl key to actually "copy" it, you get a .bmp copy of the image
# [20:13] <Ms2ger> Don't look at the code for that, though
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# [20:13] <Ms2ger> At least, if you don't want to stab your eyes
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# [20:14] <mounir> sicking: fast pong
# [20:14] <mounir> otherwise, try a bit later ;)
# [20:14] <sicking> mounir: hmm
# [20:14] <sicking> crap, i forgot what i was going to ask
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# [20:15] <mounir> sicking: you were going to ask me about web activities
# [20:15] <sicking> oh yeah!
# [20:15] <sicking> no
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# [20:16] <mounir> sicking: I will be in the metro for the next 20 minutes then trying to have a social life, but feel free to ping again ;)
# [20:16] <Ms2ger> <ted2> look, if you're going to name a project after a Tolkien character, you have to expect a certain amount of pedantry
# [20:16] <Ms2ger> Truth
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# [20:16] <Ms2ger> mounir, social life? What's that?
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# [20:28] <jlebar> khuey, You're supposed to be on vacation.
# [20:28] <jlebar> khuey, This is getting kind of silly.
# [20:29] <@khuey> jlebar: I'm not on PTO today
# [20:29] <jlebar> khuey, Oh? Okay then, that's better. :)
# [20:29] <@khuey> heh
# [20:29] <jlebar> khuey, One day at the DMV was sufficiently relaxing for you?
# [20:29] <@khuey> yeah
# [20:29] <@khuey> jlebar: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741125#c42
# [20:30] <@khuey> jlebar: I was referring to the 'usage' variable that's unused
# [20:30] <@khuey> it is unused, right?
# [20:30] <jlebar> khuey, Oh. Yes.
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# [20:30] <@khuey> ok
# [20:30] * @khuey removes that
# [20:31] <jlebar> khuey, You can just throw it into the optparse?
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# [20:31] <jlebar> That way it says that TESTS is relative to the tests/ directory.
# [20:31] <@smaug> what is the url for air mozilla?
# [20:31] <@khuey> ok
# [20:31] <jlebar> smaug, http://air.mozilla.com/ ?
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# [20:32] <@smaug> that is way too difficult :)
# [20:32] <@smaug> jlebar: thanks
# [20:32] <jlebar> smaug, sure thing. :)
# [20:33] <Mossop> Did we buy .mozilla?
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# [20:34] <gavin> GPHemsley: ping?
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# [20:45] <Pike> there's no js-native comparison operator, right? one to base sort comparison functions upon?
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# [20:46] <ted2> Pike: not that i'm aware of
# [20:47] <ted2> what with the lack of operator overloading it's probably not super helpful
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# [20:48] <Ameya> does alert() work in JS XPCOM component method...?
# [20:49] <Mossop> No, that's a window method. You need to use the prompt service normally
# [20:49] <Ms2ger> "normally'
# [20:49] <Ameya> any example where it is used in code...?
# [20:49] <Ameya> prompt service...
# [20:50] <ted2> Ameya: if you just want to spit out some debug info, you can use dump()
# [20:50] <ted2> which goes to stdout
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# [20:51] <dholbert> jwir3, ping?
# [20:51] <jwir3> dholbert: pong
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# [20:51] <Ameya> ted2: ok fine..but what about prompt service? i need that too...
# [20:51] <dholbert> jwir3, do you know if there's any good way to enumerate all the imgIContainers (via their imgIRequests or whatever) in use by a document?
# [20:52] <jwir3> ugh, crap... I pushed to beta when I meant to push to aurora.
# [20:52] <Mossop> Ameya: Assuming you've imported Services.jsm ... Services.prompt.alert(null, "title", "message");
# [20:52] <ted2> Ameya: then that, yeah
# [20:52] <dholbert> jwir3, nevermind -- sort that out, and I'll bug you later :)
# [20:52] <jwir3> dholbert: hm... not sure, sorry. ;)
# [20:52] <bent> hm, how do i register multiple contract ids for the same component from script?
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# [20:53] <dholbert> jwir3, ok, thanks anyway.
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# [20:53] <ted2> bent: can you even do that now? i thought you had to have a manifest for everything
# [20:54] <sewardj> gkw: more breakage?
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# [20:54] <Ameya> Mossop: let me try that...
# [20:54] <NeilAway> gavin: ah, I wasn't sure which part of copy image you were referring to
# [20:54] <bent> ted2, well, bootstrapped extensions have to somehow
# [20:54] <ted2> oh
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# [20:55] <ted2> i guess nsIComponentRegistrar::registerFactory still exists
# [20:55] <Mossop> Yep
# [20:55] <Mossop> It works too
# [20:55] <bent> but not for more than one contractid
# [20:55] <jwir3> what do I put for an a= backout on beta if the original push was a mistake? Do I actually need approval for that backout?
# [20:55] <Mossop> The annoying bit is you can't unregister contractid -> classID mappings
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# [20:55] <jwir3> or can I do something like a=me ?
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# [20:55] <ted2> jwir3: just put a=backout or something
# [20:55] <ted2> a=bustage
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# [20:55] <ted2> whatever
# [20:55] <jwir3> ok, thanks ted2
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# [20:56] <Mossop> bent: Pass null for the factory the second time iitc
# [20:56] <Mossop> iirc
# [20:56] <bent> Mossop, you're kidding
# [20:56] <Mossop> bent: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/components/nsComponentManager.cpp#1510
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# [20:58] <NeilAway> gavin: probably existed for embedding
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# [20:59] <WeirdAl> Hey guys - I wonder, what're the odds of moving Scratchpad from browser to toolkit? :)
# [20:59] * WeirdAl wants it, my precious
# [21:00] <@khuey> ask #devtools
# [21:00] <Mossop> Slim
# [21:01] <WeirdAl> filthy hackerses! :p
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# [21:03] <NeilAway> KaiRo: we probably kill full screen on deactivation
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# [21:03] <NeilAway> Ms2ger++
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# [21:03] <Ms2ger> mounir++
# [21:03] <NeilAway> (4.75 hours ago if you're counting)
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# [21:05] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, complaining to mak?
# [21:05] <@bz> 1,252.55 MB b
# [21:06] <@bz> 1,694.98 MB b
# [21:06] <@bz> Those are "explicit" and "resident"
# [21:06] <@bz> is the large difference kinda expected?
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# [21:06] <@khuey> jlebar: ^
# [21:06] <jlebar> I didn't do it!
# [21:06] <@bz> (mac 10.6 nightly in case it matters)
# [21:06] <@khuey> heh
# [21:07] <jlebar> bz, Refresh about:memory; is it better now?
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# [21:08] <@bz> jlebar: no
# [21:08] <jlebar> bz, On Mac 10.6 and 10.7, we purge some pages from the VM when you load about:memory. It's supposed to happen synchronously, but perhaps it isn't synchronous.
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# [21:08] <jlebar> Hm.
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# [21:08] <@bz> jlebar: same deal: 1274.09 MB explicit, 1707.82MB resident
# [21:08] <jwir3> AaromMT: ping?
# [21:08] <jlebar> bz, Let me write a script for you to run...just a sec.
# [21:08] <@bz> jlebar: presumably some memory is resident but not explicit...
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# [21:08] <jwir3> AaronMT: ping?
# [21:09] <jwir3> (gotta get the name correct, sry)...
# [21:09] <AaronMT> jwir3: pong
# [21:09] <dholbert> jwir3, (tab-completion is your friend!)
# [21:09] <@bz> jlebar: e-mail, maybe?
# [21:09] <@bz> jlebar: I might lose network for about 10 mins in a few minutes here
# [21:09] <jlebar> bz, Okay, will do.
# [21:10] <jwir3> AaronMT: RE: bug 707917, are you able to see the word cloud?
# [21:10] <jwir3> dbaron and I couldn't see it on Thursday... it appears to have gone away
# [21:10] <jwir3> AaronMT: We think it's been fixed by bug 708187
# [21:10] <jwir3> AaronMT: But we can't confirm, because we don't see the word cloud on the page that was given anymore
# [21:10] <Ameya> Hello
# [21:11] <AaronMT> jwir3: yep, http://i.imgur.com/7VHBs.png, scroll to the bottom
# [21:11] <AaronMT> using URL: https://www.zoso.ro
# [21:11] <jlebar> bz, If you're still there, try running http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1552385
# [21:11] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: fixing strict JS warnings
# [21:12] <jwir3> AaronMT: guh... now it's there
# [21:12] <Ms2ger> Ah, yes
# [21:12] <jwir3> AaronMT: I swear it wasn't on Thursday or a minute ago...
# [21:12] <@bz> jlebar: that's not a script!
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# [21:12] <@bz> jlebar: running that and doing what?
# [21:12] <jlebar> bz, I was going to write it in Python, but I realized it'd be easier in C. :)
# [21:12] <jwir3> AaronMT: Anyway, now I will check it out. Thx. ;)
# [21:12] <jlebar> bz, And seeing if your Firefox RSS goes down.
# [21:12] <@bz> ah
# [21:12] <AaronMT> jwir3: np
# [21:12] <@bz> ok, lemme do this
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# [21:13] <jlebar> bz, So in theory, when you open about:memory, we flush all these madvised pages. But if that's not working, they should get flushed when your machine is under memory pressure.
# [21:13] <Ameya> when we use addon.getResourceURI().spec....ouptput url contains chars % like c:\mozilla-central\obj%\....
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# [21:13] <Ameya> *output
# [21:14] <@bz> jlebar: let's see how this goes
# [21:14] <Ameya> is this bcoz we call for string representation..?
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# [21:14] <jlebar> bz, You should even be able to see FF's memory usage drop in the Mac task manager.
# [21:14] <@bz> kernel_task at 2666% of cpu
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# [21:14] <@bz> er, 26% of cpu
# [21:14] <Ameya> NeilAway: is it bcoz we call for string format...?
# [21:15] <jlebar> bz, Also, what's your heap-committed?
# [21:15] <jlebar> bz, and heap-unallocated?
# [21:15] <@bz> a.out up to about 2GB
# [21:15] <jlebar> bz, If the system starts to page, you can kill it.
# [21:15] <jhammel> bz: so you don't have a 32 core machine? ;)
# [21:16] <@bz> oh, system seems to be paging
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# [21:16] <@bz> ok
# [21:16] <Ameya> ted2:addon.getResourceURI().spec gives output containing char % ..why is it so?
# [21:16] <@bz> so now....
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# [21:16] <@bz> explicit == 1311.80
# [21:16] <@bz> resident == 1528.51
# [21:16] <@bz> much better
# [21:17] <@bz> heap-committed == 1,037.49
# [21:17] <jlebar> bz, Indeed, but now I wonder why my stuff isn't working properly.
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# [21:17] <@bz> heap-unallocated == 914.64
# [21:18] <@bz> ok
# [21:18] <jlebar> bz, Sorry, can you pastebin your whole about:memory?verbose ?
# [21:18] <@bz> one sec
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# [21:21] <@bz> jlebar: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1552403
# [21:21] <@bz> jlebar: back in a few mins
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# [21:24] <jrmuizel> jdm-away: ping
# [21:24] <jdm-away> jrmuizel: pow
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# [21:25] <jrmuizel> jdm: you have 1.3 GB of stuff on one of my machines
# [21:25] <jrmuizel> jdm: do you need any of that
# [21:25] <jdm> haha
# [21:25] <jrmuizel> ?
# [21:25] <jdm> jrmuizel: kill it with fire
# [21:25] <jrmuizel> great
# [21:26] <jrmuizel> jdm: it's jsass stuff
# [21:27] <jdm> ... what?
# [21:27] <jrmuizel> tag: FUCK_EVERY_DISPLAYLIST_ARRGH
# [21:28] <jrmuizel> Ignore paint suppression for hit testing
# [21:28] <jdm> oh man, I remember that
# [21:28] <jrmuizel> do you need any of it?
# [21:28] <jdm> days of raging at code I didn't understand very well
# [21:28] <jdm> no
# [21:28] <jdm> the fire awaits it
# [21:28] <jrmuizel> also some BooleanValue template stuff
# [21:29] <jdm> yep, all killable
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# [21:29] <Callek> Ryan: ping (assuming you are -- in fact -- sheriff)
# [21:29] <Ameya> how to use nsURI schemeIS() in cpp?
# [21:29] <Ms2ger> Hah
# [21:30] <biesi> Ameya, uri->SchemeIs(foo, &some_bool);
# [21:30] <Ms2ger> Callek, what do you need? :)
# [21:30] <Callek> Ms2ger: mostly giving a heads up on an android-affecting [releng] landing I'm about to do, that may cause some [legit] bustage....
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# [21:31] <Ms2ger> Ah, I'm ccd on the bug :)
# [21:31] <Callek> and the bustage would/could affect all trees, but is tegra-specific
# [21:31] <Ms2ger> Land it!
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# [21:32] <Callek> Ms2ger, Ryan: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/usN39EKFDB I'm about to land part2, which affects jobs right away... the actual deploy to prevent these types of cleanup problems from even taking jobs should be deployed later today, or at worst early tomorrow
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# [21:32] <Ms2ger> philor, mak, ^
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# [21:34] <mak> Callek: basically, what should we do on those failures? ignore? retrigger?
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# [21:35] <Callek> mak: well retrigger is fine, but if its end-of-job and you can decipher real failure in the job without too much effort (if there is any) you don't need to retrigger
# [21:35] <Callek> since we cleanup both at start and end of some jobs currently
# [21:36] <Callek> mak: the problem is basically some android devices not properly cleaning stuff and not noticing at present
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# [21:37] <Callek> this patch as soon as I land it, notices, and after its deployed to the systems that handle buildbot for these will prevent them from taking jobs if we can't cleanup *before* we launch buildbot
# [21:37] <@bz> jlebar: anything interesting?
# [21:37] <jlebar> bz, It was cut off.
# [21:37] <Ms2ger> itym "the problem is basically android devices"
# [21:37] <mak> strange I thought android buiders were perfect :p
# [21:37] <jlebar> bz, Our pastebin is fantastic.
# [21:37] <Callek> mak: its all part of the effort to make android builds "less flakey"
# [21:37] <@bz> jlebar: lemme just mail you
# [21:37] <mak> Callek: thanks for doing that
# [21:37] <lsblakk> bz: ping
# [21:38] <Callek> but this one part has noticeable fallout [even though it is legit fallout -- we just never noticed before]
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# [21:38] <@bz> lsblakk: ack
# [21:38] <lsblakk> bz: would you be up for nom/landing 726915 for beta4 in mats' place?
# [21:38] <Callek> if this cleanup issue takes out more than half the tegra's, I might backout just to get some sanity back, and deploy manually to some foopies at a time, manually format SDCards to get them sane, and then re-land everywhere ;-)
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# [21:39] <lsblakk> bz: we'd like that extra coverage for this one
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# [21:39] <@bz> lsblakk: is that the right bug number?
# [21:40] <lsblakk> 736915
# [21:40] <lsblakk> sorry
# [21:40] <@bz> lsblakk: we have too many digits. ;)
# [21:40] <@bz> lsblakk: I can do that
# [21:40] <lsblakk> bz: ty
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# [21:40] <@bz> lsblakk: lol
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# [21:41] <lsblakk> perhaps we should start hashing them
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# [21:41] <@bz> lsblakk: b4 cutover is today or something?
# [21:41] <lsblakk> yes, we'd like to have everything landed by 2:30 PDT
# [21:41] <Callek> Ms2ger, Ryan, mak: pushed, let me know if the world burns.
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# [21:41] <lsblakk> for a 5pm 'go-to-build'
# [21:42] <Ms2ger> Thanks
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# [21:42] <jlebar> lsblakk, We could switch to base-36 bug numbers...
# [21:42] <zpao> lsblakk: twitter is doing ok with it's 18 digit ids, i think we'll make it :)
# [21:42] <jlebar> lsblakk, Except then we'd have bugs which spelled things.
# [21:43] <@bz> lsblakk: nominated
# [21:43] <@bz> lsblakk: we have like 2 hours!
# [21:43] <@bz> lsblakk: should be good. ;)
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# [21:44] <lsblakk> bz: cheers
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# [21:45] <jlebar> bz, My guess is that the RSS is being inflated by jemalloc's madvised pages, that somehow they're not being freed like they should be.
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# [21:45] <jlebar> bz, I'll poke around and see if the pages are freed on my machine.
# [21:45] <@bz> jlebar: seems plausible, but my allocator fu is weak
# [21:45] <@bz> jlebar: sounds good
# [21:46] <Ameya> what should I include to user PathifyURI()...
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# [21:49] <@bz> lsblakk: landed
# [21:50] <Ameya> bz: hello...
# [21:50] <@bz> Ameya: yes?
# [21:50] <Ameya> bz: See I have several urls ....
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# [21:52] <Ameya> bz; some r of form chrome://sample/content/clock.js & some r of form file:///C:/project/mozilla-central/obj-i686-pc-mingw32/dist/bin/components/addonManager.js
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# [21:52] <Ameya> bz: I m tracking them in GetService() of xpcjsid.cpp
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# [21:53] <Ameya> they r actually script urls that are calling specific interfaces...
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# [21:54] <Ameya> bz: like aaab6710-0f2c-11d5-a53b-0010a401eb10....cookieservice
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# [21:55] <Ameya> So in getservice() i need to give them to JS XPCOM component...
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# [21:56] <Ameya> consider chrome://sample/content/clock.js in string format...& need to give this to map().
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# [21:56] <Ameya> where ....map() is AString map(in nsIURI scriptURL); in IDL
# [21:56] <Ameya> bz: u there?
# [21:57] <Ameya> first I have to convert these string urls to nsuri form....right?
# [21:58] <Ameya> then convert these uris into normal format....i mean from chrome:// to actual.. so i used pathify()
# [21:58] <@bz> Ameya: I'm here
# [21:59] <@bz> Ameya: I have no idea what your actual goal is
# [21:59] <@bz> Ameya: but yes, if you have strings and need an nsIURI you need to NS_NewURI
# [21:59] <Ameya> yup... actual goal is.... to check which of these uri belongs to uris of installed addons....
# [22:00] <GPHemsley> gavin: pongf
# [22:00] <Ameya> bz: inshort need to check wether addon is calling any of specific interfaces or not.....
# [22:00] <gavin> GPHemsley: I'm looking at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=611861&action=edit
# [22:01] <GPHemsley> k?
# [22:01] <Ameya> bz: I m monitoring nsICookieManager, nsIFile.
# [22:01] <gavin> GPHemsley: trying to understand how it has any effect, since the extra bits of regexp don't seem to be used (you aren't adding any additional parameters to the call to "match")
# [22:02] <GPHemsley> gavin: That's correct. They're silently ignored. Right now, they would blow up the whole thing and cause it to be output raw.
# [22:02] <Ameya> bz: those uris r uris of scripts that calls nsICookieManager or nsIFile
# [22:02] <GPHemsley> gavin: As in, 'en-x-ignore' would be output as 'en-x-ignore' instead of 'English'
# [22:02] <Ameya> bz: getting my goal??
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# [22:03] <gavin> GPHemsley: so what's the point of that patch?
# [22:03] <GPHemsley> gavin: To ensure the latter output rather than the former.
# [22:03] <Ameya> bz:u there?
# [22:03] <NeilAway> bz: you know how we try to preserve the style attribute value rather than serializing it each time?
# [22:04] <@bz> Ameya: yes, I'm here
# [22:04] <@bz> Ameya: what's the actual question
# [22:04] <@bz> NeilAway: yes
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# [22:04] <gavin> GPHemsley: I think you misunderstand me - I don't understand how the code change has any effect
# [22:05] <gavin> GPHemsley: does changing the regexp the way that you are changing it impact the value of any of "languageTag, languageSubtag, scriptSubtag, regionSubtag, variantSubtags"?
# [22:05] <NeilAway> bz: well, it doesn't get preserved by a cloneNode, is that expected?
# [22:06] <Ameya> how to check output obtained by dump() in JS method...
# [22:06] <@bz> NeilAway: er... cloning should just use the same string
# [22:06] * NeilAway wonders why color: #ff0000 gets transformed to color: rgb() but color: red doesn't
# [22:06] <GPHemsley> gavin: I believe so, yes. Because the regexp won't match at all on a tag like 'en-x-ignore' without the change.
# [22:06] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: in case it's not clear, that last comment in bug 741540 was from the original reporter, not me ;-)
# [22:06] <@bz> NeilAway: the CSS parser canonicalizes non-keyword colors
# [22:06] <jlebar> bsmedberg, Yes. :) This proxy-bugzilla thing is kind of silly.
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# [22:06] <@bz> NeilAway: keywords are handled during style computation, not parsing
# [22:07] <GPHemsley> gavin: Try running the new tests on the old code. :)
# [22:07] <@bz> NeilAway: _why_ that is, not sure. ;)
# [22:07] <NeilAway> bz: well, on trunk, var span = document.createElement('span'); span.setAttribute('style', 'color: #ff0000'); alert(span.getAttribute('style')); alert(span.cloneNode(false).getAttribute('style'));
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# [22:07] <NeilAway> bz: the first alerts color: #ff0000 and the second color: rgb(...);
# [22:07] <@bz> NeilAway: lemme try that
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# [22:07] <@bz> NeilAway: verily
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# [22:07] <@bz> NeilAway: lemme look into this, ok?
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# [22:08] <NeilAway> bz: no rush, just something I saw on a forum
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# [22:09] <gavin> GPHemsley: regexps are hard
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# [22:10] <Ameya> one question ..... Can we use PathifyURI(uri, cachePath); in Js...?
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# [22:10] <gavin> no, it isn't exposed to script
# [22:11] <GPHemsley> gavin: :)
# [22:11] <gavin> it seems possible to reimplement it in JS, though
# [22:11] <gavin> but it seems like a bad idea
# [22:11] <Ameya> how to achieve similar effect in JS....?
# [22:12] <gavin> GPHemsley: is there someone more familiar with this stuff that could provide a more useful review (particularly of the tests)?
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# [22:13] <GPHemsley> gavin: More familiar with BCP 47? Not sure; Axel's the only other person who might be. But BCP 47's kinda my thing. :P
# [22:14] <@bz> NeilAway: ah, this is a special case that's not quite right. ;)
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# [22:14] <@bz> NeilAway: bug filed?
# [22:14] <NeilAway> bz: no, do you need me to file one?
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# [22:15] <gavin> GPHemsley: what about someone who knows bcp 47 but isn't necessarily a mozilla person?
# [22:15] <GPHemsley> oh, hmm
# [22:15] <GPHemsley> gavin: I could ask on the IETF Languages mailing list, if you'd like?
# [22:15] <@bz> NeilAway: if you're willing to? I'll write a patch in the meantime
# [22:16] <gavin> GPHemsley: if you think that's appropriate, sure
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# [22:16] <NeilAway> bz: ok
# [22:16] <NeilAway> bz: which component?
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# [22:16] <GPHemsley> gavin: But I do kinda feel like it's overkill. It's somewhat subjective how we decide to map a language tag to a display name.
# [22:16] <@bz> NeilAway: DOM
# [22:16] <gavin> GPHemsley: ok
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# [22:17] <NeilAway> bz: just DOM itself?
# [22:17] <Ms2ger> Yep
# [22:18] <Ameya> gavin: consider a extension url chrome://sample/content/clock.js & its original url is something file:///C:/project/mozilla-central/obj-i686-pc-mingw32/dist/bin/components/clock.js
# [22:18] <Ameya> is there way to check both are same...?
# [22:18] <Ameya> or atleast both belong to same directory....?
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# [22:18] <@bz> NeilAway: yeah, that's good enough
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# [22:19] <gavin> Ameya: you can use nsIChromeRegistry.convertChromeURL
# [22:20] <gavin> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsIChromeRegistry#convertChromeURL%28%29
# [22:20] <NeilAway> bz: ok filed bug 742030
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# [22:21] <Ameya> ok
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# [22:24] <Ameya> gavin: convertchromeurl gives actual url but addon.getResourceURI().spec gives path with %28%29...like the link you gave... So how to compare both
# [22:24] <jlebar> derf, ping?
# [22:25] <Ameya> gavin: final goal is to check whether a url belongs to any of addon's url or not...
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# [22:26] <GPHemsley> gavin: What is the proper procedure for getting it checked in? Does the 'checkin' flag come into play?
# [22:26] <gavin> Ameya: I don't know what getResourceURI returns
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# [22:27] <gavin> GPHemsley: you can just add the "checkin-needed" keyword to the bug. the checkin flag isn't really used muc.
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# [22:31] <GPHemsley> gavin: Thanks for the review. :)
# [22:31] <GPHemsley> gavin: By the end of this, you'll be a BCP 47 expert, too! ;)
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# [22:34] <jwir3> jlebar: yeah I saw that
# [22:34] <jwir3> jlebar: Looking at it now... thanks
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# [23:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/25ec8b71e8ce - Kyle Huey - No bug: Shut up a struct/class warning. r=Bas
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# [23:08] <Ameya> what does this mean...0 [main] make 276 open_stackdumpfile: Dumping stack trace to make.exe.stackdump
# [23:09] <Ameya> make[3]: *** [tier_js] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
# [23:10] <Ameya> hello...
# [23:10] <@khuey> it means that make.exe crashed
# [23:10] <Ameya> how to repair...?
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# [23:11] <Callek> Ameya: if you have had successful builds before just kick off the build again
# [23:11] <fantasai> python --version returns "Python 2.7.2+". Can I build Mozilla with that, or do I need to install Python 2.6?
# [23:11] <Callek> if you never have had successful builds before or you *keep* hitting that we may need more investigation
# [23:11] <Callek> fantasai: 2.7.x *should* work without issue
# [23:12] <Ameya> yup it worked properly.... before 25 mins ago...
# [23:12] <fantasai> Callek: configure fails, complaining that /usr/bin/python2.6 is not found...
# [23:12] <Callek> fantasai: trunk?
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# [23:12] <fantasai> Callek: yep
# [23:12] * fantasai hasn't built since upgrading the OS, tho
# [23:12] <Callek> fantasai: let me jimmy up a patch for you to apply
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# [23:12] <Ameya> then I made some changes in xpcjsid.cpp..... & was trying to see effect .....& this happened....
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# [23:13] <Ameya> Callek: i built successfully so many times before...
# [23:13] <Callek> fantasai: actually |echo $PYTHON| i suspect you have that var pointing at a no-longer-existing 2.6
# [23:13] <Callek> fantasai: since we have http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/configure.in#873 which should pickup 2.7
# [23:13] <fantasai> Callek: it's empty...
# [23:14] <@khuey> fantasai: if you upgrade python you need to clobber
# [23:14] <Ameya> i dont think making changes in xpcjsid.cpp cause this....?
# [23:14] <@khuey> fantasai: or anything build-relevant on your OS
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# [23:14] <Ameya> Callek: any idea how to recover?
# [23:14] <fantasai> khuey: can't get past configure atm.. :)
# [23:14] <@khuey> fantasai: right ... rm -rf objdir and start again
# [23:14] <Ameya> khuey : any idea???
# [23:14] <Callek> Ameya: try to build again -- without changing anything
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# [23:15] <Callek> Ameya: a make.exe crash is usually transient sometimes caused by windows or a virus scanner making internal assumptions faulty
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# [23:15] <gaston> xulrunner-$version.source.tar.bz2 and firefox-$version.source.tar.bz2 are totally identical besides the subdir name, right ?
# [23:16] <Callek> Ameya: alternatively you can use pymake (might require clobber) but that wont save you any time right now
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# [23:16] <Callek> Ameya: if you *keep* getting the crash after trying two more times, then come back and we'll try and diagnose better
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# [23:16] <Ameya> may be bcoz of virus scanner.....I was trying to scan flash drive during last build...
# [23:16] <fantasai> khuey: Thanks, that worked
# [23:16] <Callek> gaston: top of my head, not sure; but very very likely so.
# [23:17] <gaston> wonder if its the same for seamonkey and thunderbird, since they both come from comm-release...
# [23:17] <Callek> (in theory we could strip out the "not firefox" or "not xulrunner" directories from those tar's etc.)
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# [23:18] <Callek> gaston: well "almost" for Sea/TB since Sea contains extensions not present in TB, we have a few extra directories under mozilla/extensions
# [23:18] <jtcranmer> Callek: I think we still just run python client.py checkout
# [23:18] <jtcranmer> which would extract those anyways
# [23:18] <gaston> Callek: ah right
# [23:19] <gaston> wonder if i can factor out tarballs/patches between each couple
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# [23:19] <Callek> jtcranmer: I was *pretty* sure gozer/jhopkins did some weird CLIENT_PY magic to utilize m-c automation for this stuff now -- so I don't think so, but I could be wrong
# [23:19] <Ameya> Callek: python2.6.exe has stopped working
# [23:20] <Callek> Ameya: "stopped working"?
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# [23:20] <Ameya> windows prompt msg..
# [23:20] <Callek> Ameya: sounds like your virus scan may have quarantined it if thats so... thinking it was doing something bad/evil
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# [23:21] <jtcranmer> Callek: maybe you're right; extensions/irc doesn't have TB_* tags
# [23:21] <Ameya> Callek: is it bcoz of virus...? bcoz that flash might had virus...
# [23:21] <Ameya> *flash drive
# [23:21] <Callek> jtcranmer: 1.9.2-based still tags DOMi though ;-)
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# [23:21] <Ameya> i felt that it had virus hence i tried to scan that flash drive
# [23:22] <Ameya> is it bcoz of virus??
# [23:22] <BenWa> How do I get the results from MOZ_COUNT_CTOR in my log?
# [23:22] <Callek> Ameya: if you had a virus, I certainly am not the one to tell you for sure
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# [23:22] <jhopkins> Callek: we're doing that for try server but aren't there yet for non-try production builds. Work is in progress. http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/file/cb2b8fd3f517/mail/config/mozconfigs/linux32/nightly#l32
# [23:22] * Callek apologizes but I do have to get back to doing paid work.
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# [23:23] <Callek> jhopkins: yea I admit to not having followed along closely -- thanks for the reply though
# [23:23] <Ameya> Callek: finally....what should i do in extreme conditions...?
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# [23:23] <gkw> sewardj: turns out Jesse is also interested in the hacks we were talking about as well (see email)
# [23:23] <Callek> Ameya: largest extreme "reinstall windows from scratch" anything less extreme is beyond my ability to guide you atm
# [23:23] <sewardj> gkw: looking now
# [23:23] <jhammel> install linux ;)
# [23:24] <Callek> Ameya: also if you are going as far as reinstalling windows, when you get the new install up, *reformat* the flash drive, after you turn off autorun for usb media ;-) (basically *DO NOT* let the flash drive install/run anything when you plug it in)
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# [23:26] <BenWa> Found it, XPCOM_MEM_LEAK_LOG
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# [23:49] <Callek> Bas: you're burning android on inbound
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# [23:49] <Callek> Bas: s/android/everything/
# [23:50] <Bas> Callek: Ugh :P I'll make sure it gets backed out.
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# [23:51] <Callek> Bas: there is a chance it may need clobber (based on descrip) if so you can try that, but I just happened to notice it
# [23:52] <Bas> No, it's real bustage.
# [23:52] <Bas> They should be using MOZ_ASSERT there.
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# [23:57] <lsblakk> roc: have you got time to land the patch on 712836 in the next few minutes?
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# [23:58] <@roc> I had to rebase the patch
# [23:58] <@roc> a couple of nontrivial changes
# [23:59] <lsblakk> ah - do you need another r? then?
# [23:59] <@roc> I'm in the process of building to make sure I didn't break the build
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# [23:59] <@roc> but, WINDOWS SLOW
# [23:59] <@roc> no, it was just some name changes
# [23:59] <@roc> should I wait for 30 minutes while the build happens, or should I just land?
# Session Close: Wed Apr 04 00:00:00 2012

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