/irc-logs / mozilla / #developers / 2012-04-05 / end

Options:

# Session Start: Thu Apr 05 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <anant> so, in that script, I make an iframe, append it to a hidden window, load the URI of the page I want to access, import my callback and then call Cu.evalInSandbox with the code I want to run
# [00:00] <@khuey> oh boy
# [00:01] <anant> my callback is never called, and based on my debugging so far, it seems like the web page doesn't like the values I'm passing it in the scriptText (complaining that a string is not a string). I've seen this before, where types of objects passed from Chrome to Content get messed up.
# [00:01] <@khuey> so, uh, what are we actually trying to do here?
# [00:01] <anant> I need to run some JS code in the context of a web page and get a value back
# [00:01] <anant> so, like, Greasemonkey? :)
# [00:01] * Quits: sheppy-afk (sheppy@moz-F39D62DA.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) (Ping timeout)
# [00:02] * Quits: chrisccoulson (chr1s@moz-692D94C8.cust-3601.ip.static.uno.uk.net) (Quit: Ex-Chat)
# [00:02] <@khuey> by "in the context of a web page" you mean "with the privileges of that webpage"?
# [00:02] * Quits: coyotebush (corey@moz-5FFD3791.wireless.calpoly.edu) (Ping timeout)
# [00:02] * Quits: Mnyromyr (Mnyromyr@B2521176.7B0892CB.771966F7.IP) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 1.1.19/2010030105])
# [00:02] <anant> khuey: correct
# [00:03] <@khuey> anant: I would ask the devtools people how Scratchpad works then
# [00:03] <anant> specifically, the methods I am calling behave a certain way when the user is logged in to that website
# [00:03] <@khuey> since you basically want to do the same thing
# [00:03] <anant> ah, of course, will do!
# [00:03] <@khuey> anant: out of curiosity, what is this for?
# [00:03] * Quits: mcot (mcot@C4B02.F3C4E8F3.C8444B8.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [00:04] * Quits: smontagu (chatzilla@moz-D32AE7DD.red.bezeqint.net) (Ping timeout)
# [00:04] <anant> khuey: app-sync. if the user is already signed in to browserID we automagically also sign them in to the app-sync server by getting an assertion for it
# [00:04] * Joins: nrc (nrc@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP)
# [00:04] * Joins: jgilbert (jgilbert@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [00:04] <@khuey> mm
# [00:04] <@khuey> fun
# [00:05] * davehunt|mtg is now known as davehunt|away
# [00:05] * philor is now known as philor|away
# [00:05] * Joins: Gentlecat (Roman@E92145AA.CF9BE6BE.8FB52CB8.IP)
# [00:06] * Quits: priya (Adium@5B12D16A.7D870227.95C682D2.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [00:06] * stephend|bbiab is now known as stephend|mtg
# [00:07] * Joins: billm (billm@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [00:08] * Joins: efes (efes@moz-929D2974.dynamic.chello.pl)
# [00:08] * Quits: Asa (asa@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [00:09] * Parts: aleth (Instantbir@moz-C0928D09.ictp.it)
# [00:09] * Quits: ejpbruel (ejpbruel@moz-5EE20326.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) (Quit: Calling it a day)
# [00:09] * mcote is now known as mcote|afk
# [00:09] * Joins: davidb (davidb@471D72E.2257F909.F30C9E9E.IP)
# [00:09] * Joins: chrisccoulson (chr1s@moz-692D94C8.cust-3601.ip.static.uno.uk.net)
# [00:09] * Joins: ddahl (ddahl@moz-976797D6.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
# [00:09] <sfink> wtf? can dd really be that dumb?
# [00:09] * Joins: Asa (asa@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [00:10] <sfink> I was copying a partition from one disk to another and noticed that the destination disk was doing a ton of reads
# [00:10] * Waldo reads .governance after a few weeks and prepares to be depressed
# [00:10] <dholbert> sfinkoh no...
# [00:10] <sfink> turns out dd was still doing 512 byte reads
# [00:10] <sfink> this disk has 4096 byte sectors
# [00:10] <sfink> so I reran with bs=4K
# [00:10] * Quits: TheLink (TheLink@moz-183F7DCD.pools.arcor-ip.net) (Client exited)
# [00:10] <Mossop> Yes, dd is pretty fumb by default
# [00:10] <sfink> that made it switch to 4000-byte reads :(
# [00:11] <dholbert> sfink, oh phew, I thought you were gonna say you accidentally had destination & src switched
# [00:11] * Joins: priya (Adium@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [00:11] * Quits: smagnin (pike@moz-DEF53BC9.fbx.proxad.net) (Ping timeout)
# [00:12] <sfink> bs=4096 goes 5x faster :)
# [00:12] * Quits: davidb (davidb@471D72E.2257F909.F30C9E9E.IP) (Quit: davidb)
# [00:12] * Joins: smagnin (pike@moz-DEF53BC9.fbx.proxad.net)
# [00:12] * Joins: smontagu (chatzilla@moz-D32AE7DD.red.bezeqint.net)
# [00:12] <sfink> dholbert: I guess that's what it sounded like I was leading up to
# [00:13] * Quits: tchevalier (tchevalier@moz-5830F2F3.w90-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Quit: Instantbird 1.1)
# [00:13] * Joins: eflores (eflores@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP)
# [00:13] * Quits: Mossop (mossop@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [00:13] <sfink> it probably wouldn't have been a complete disaster, since I still have the original source data. In my fridge. (Long story.)
# [00:14] * gregglind is now known as gregglind_afk
# [00:14] <dholbert> delicious
# [00:15] * Quits: madhava (madhava@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: madhava)
# [00:15] * armenzg is now known as armenzg_afk
# [00:15] * philor|away is now known as philor
# [00:16] * Quits: ajuma (ajuma@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: ajuma)
# [00:16] <jwir3> tn, were you able to get your android build to work?
# [00:16] <Waldo> sfink: cool
# [00:16] * Joins: Jesse_ (jruderman@moz-537BCF9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [00:16] * Quits: Jesse (jruderman@moz-537BCF9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Connection reset by peer)
# [00:17] <tn> jwir3, we'll see
# [00:17] <jwir3> sfink: Everyone loves week-old hard drive leftovers for a midnight snack
# [00:17] <sfink> I'm gonna bring my angry bird stuff animals into work so I have something to throw at Waldo
# [00:17] <sicking> fantasai: are there any documents from the CSSWG officially stating anything regarding if profiles are a good thing or not?
# [00:17] * Joins: bmoss (bmoss@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [00:17] <Waldo> sfink: I must say, that sounds like a pretty birdbrain idea
# [00:18] * jwir3 groans
# [00:18] * armenzg_afk is now known as armenzg_away
# [00:18] * Quits: armenzg_away (armenzg@5F622FDB.5BCEC6DB.DA78B690.IP) (Input/output error)
# [00:18] * Joins: mayhemer__ (Miranda@B3D46202.F87A741B.F23860FD.IP)
# [00:18] <sfink> or rocks. Maybe I'll bring rocks to work.
# [00:18] * Quits: twi (Adium@moz-647AF740.cust.dsl.vodafone.it) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [00:19] <sfink> Did I just violate the upcoming CoC?
# [00:19] <@roc> yes, I think so
# [00:20] <jhammel> sfink: only if you don't bring enough to throw at everyone
# [00:20] <Waldo> cc-sharealike rocks?
# [00:20] <jhammel> ++
# [00:21] * Quits: wolfiR (wolfiR@moz-9F2DACD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: Leaving)
# [00:22] * Quits: robhawkes (robhawkes@moz-33A339B7.dsl.cnl.uk.net) (Quit: Leaving...)
# [00:22] * Quits: pnemsak (Miranda@80CFE454.10D9684B.4F33160D.IP) (Quit: pnemsak)
# [00:23] * Quits: Dagger (Dagger@moz-C46A7175.cable.virginmedia.com) (Input/output error)
# [00:23] * mkelly|teef_doctuh is now known as mkelly
# [00:23] * bwinton is now known as bwinton_away
# [00:24] <@roc> l've discovered that if I cut down on sleep enough, I can get way more work done primarily because there's no backlog of email to reply to in the morning
# [00:24] * Joins: Dagger (Dagger@moz-C46A7175.cable.virginmedia.com)
# [00:24] * Joins: cadecairos (cadecairos@moz-632B4208.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [00:24] * Joins: cpearce (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP)
# [00:25] <@khuey> lol
# [00:25] <@khuey> I don't think that's sustainable
# [00:25] * Quits: kumar (kmcmillan@moz-E31CD2CB.mozilla.org) (Quit: kumar)
# [00:25] <jhammel> neither is a email ;)
# [00:26] * Quits: Yoric (Yoric@moz-920DB13B.fbx.proxad.net) (Input/output error)
# [00:26] * Quits: supreet (quassel@780E8960.D5D84BD7.DF11F364.IP) (Client exited)
# [00:30] * Quits: @smaug (chatzilla@moz-AE444E5A.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) (Ping timeout)
# [00:31] * Joins: cilias (cilias@moz-D65C0C74.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [00:33] * Quits: beaufour (beaufour@18D5CC88.C7EE4FB2.ECED8BE3.IP) (Quit: beaufour)
# [00:33] * Quits: drice (derice@1606D15F.E628B196.8E155D4E.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [00:34] * Quits: nrc (nrc@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [00:34] * Quits: automata (automata@21672CAB.EF70936A.E0F4401A.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [00:35] * philor is now known as philor|away
# [00:35] * Joins: mjschranz (mjschranz@moz-6FE6B833.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [00:37] * bz is now known as bz_dinner
# [00:37] <jaws> khuey: i'm still getting build errors after pulling your backout. do i need to delete things within my srcdir?
# [00:37] <jaws> khuey: i've clobbered my objdir multiple times now
# [00:37] * Joins: nrc (nrc@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP)
# [00:37] * Quits: nrc (nrc@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 12.0/20120328051619])
# [00:38] * catlee is now known as catlee-away
# [00:43] * Joins: pcwalton (pcwalton@moz-14B53B6A.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [00:43] * Quits: enda (chatzilla@moz-797AFB4F.cisco.com) (Connection reset by peer)
# [00:43] <jaws> is hg down for anybody else? i can't load hg.mozilla.org or tbpl
# [00:44] * philor|away is now known as philor
# [00:45] <gavin> yeah it's having issues
# [00:45] <jaws> just loaded for me now
# [00:46] <@roc> Microsoft Symbol Server, why are you so slow?
# [00:47] * Joins: mdas (mdas@8CB764BC.D30B51A1.412CF160.IP)
# [00:48] * Quits: efes (efes@moz-929D2974.dynamic.chello.pl) (Client exited)
# [00:48] * Joins: KWierso_ (chatzilla@moz-B1ECE26A.desm.qwest.net)
# [00:49] * Quits: evilpie_ (evilpie@moz-C2D89AEE.pools.arcor-ip.net) (Input/output error)
# [00:49] * Quits: KWierso (chatzilla@moz-B1ECE26A.desm.qwest.net) (Ping timeout)
# [00:49] * Joins: evilpie_ (evilpie@moz-C2D89AEE.pools.arcor-ip.net)
# [00:49] * KWierso_ is now known as KWierso
# [00:50] * Waldo jumps into the .governance slough of despond
# [00:50] * Quits: pcwalton (pcwalton@moz-14B53B6A.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: pcwalton)
# [00:50] * philor is now known as philor|away
# [00:52] * Joins: nrc (nrc@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP)
# [00:52] * Quits: smagnin (pike@moz-DEF53BC9.fbx.proxad.net) (Quit: Quitte)
# [00:52] * stephend|mtg is now known as stephend
# [00:54] * Joins: josh (josh@moz-A64506F9.cm-4-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
# [00:55] <gavin> Waldo: fwiw that thread has been replaced by a new proposal from mitchell...
# [00:55] <bent> roc, the real question is why i can't have some kind of symbol blacklist so i don't sit here waiting for NVIDIA symbols to magically appear
# [00:55] <Waldo> good times
# [00:55] * Joins: WG9s (bill@moz-7A06A043.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
# [00:56] * Joins: dseif (dseif@moz-60C0A97C.dsl.teksavvy.com)
# [00:56] * Waldo jumps ahead a bit
# [00:56] * jlebar wonders how much slower his build will be in his Windows VM if he puts the srcdir on his host machine.
# [00:57] * philor|away is now known as philor
# [00:57] * Quits: dseif (dseif@moz-60C0A97C.dsl.teksavvy.com) (Input/output error)
# [00:58] <@roc> is there any way to active a javascript: bookmark from the URL bar?
# [00:58] * Quits: bjacob (bjacob@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [00:58] * bear is now known as bear-afk
# [00:59] <mbrubeck> roc: Toggle browser.urlbar.filter.javascript in about:config
# [00:59] <mbrubeck> I think
# [00:59] * Joins: sworkman (sworkman@moz-1F6D1718.static-ip.telepacific.net)
# [01:00] <mbrubeck> nevermind, doesn't seem to work
# [01:00] <mbrubeck> oh, a bookmark
# [01:00] <mbrubeck> Actually I think my answer does work.
# [01:01] <mbrubeck> roc: Also if you type out "javascript:" in full in the URL bar then it will start matching javascript: bookmarks
# [01:01] * philor is now known as philor|away
# [01:01] <mbrubeck> or you can add a keyword to your bookmark.
# [01:02] * Quits: PopolonY2k (PopolonY2k@moz-D57CA4EF.claro.net.br) (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ))
# [01:02] * Quits: mjschranz (mjschranz@moz-6FE6B833.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Client exited)
# [01:05] * Quits: Polynomial-C (Poly-C@moz-A20FA2DD.dip.t-dialin.net) (Quit: GNU/Linux, because I'd rather own a free OS than steal one that's not worth paying for.)
# [01:05] <@roc> thanks
# [01:06] * Joins: AaronMT (AaronMT@moz-DB17C53A.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [01:06] * Quits: evilpie_ (evilpie@moz-C2D89AEE.pools.arcor-ip.net) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 14.0a1/20120404031301])
# [01:06] * Joins: birtles (chatzilla@moz-348F61F0.mozilla.or.jp)
# [01:06] * Joins: njn (chatzilla@moz-2FD59503.dyn.iinet.net.au)
# [01:07] * philor|away is now known as philor
# [01:08] * Joins: brendan (brendaneic@11B1236C.5B209293.746E7A12.IP)
# [01:08] <@khuey> jaws: make -C objdir/dom/bindings clean?
# [01:09] * nical is now known as nical|away
# [01:11] * Joins: gkw (gkw@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [01:11] * Joins: flx (flx@moz-BB1A0269.uwaterloo.ca)
# [01:11] * Quits: flx (flx@moz-BB1A0269.uwaterloo.ca) (Quit: Changing server)
# [01:11] * Quits: florian (Instantbir@moz-87C33FDA.kimsufi.com) (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com)
# [01:12] <smontagu> ehsan: still around?
# [01:12] <jaws> khuey: no luck...
# [01:12] <@ehsan> yeo
# [01:12] <@ehsan> *yep
# [01:12] <smontagu> ehsan: so, I finished the static part and I'm looking at the published tests
# [01:12] <smontagu> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/html-css/generate?test=bidi-html5-028&format=html5
# [01:13] <@ehsan> ok
# [01:13] <@khuey> jaws: what error are you getting?
# [01:13] <jaws> khuey: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1554049
# [01:13] <smontagu> and what happens is that the first two divs are ltr and all the rest are rtl
# [01:13] <gps> zpao: let me know if you think I'm on crack
# [01:14] <smontagu> but the reference says they should all be ltr
# [01:14] <@khuey> jaws: oh, that's a different issue
# [01:14] <@khuey> that's 741248
# [01:14] * Quits: nsilva (androirc@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
# [01:14] * Joins: nsilva (androirc@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
# [01:15] <smontagu> ehsan: is it guaranteed that text nodes are appended in order?
# [01:15] <@ehsan> hmm
# [01:15] <jaws> hm, so rebuilding in a dirty obj-dir would fix it then...
# [01:15] <smontagu> if not, that would explain the issue
# [01:15] <@ehsan> smontagu: I'm not sure if they are
# [01:16] <@ehsan> you can easily verify that in the debugger though
# [01:16] <smontagu> I guess
# [01:16] <smontagu> 2 am :(
# [01:16] * Quits: jimb (user@moz-F4EC06CC.hsd1.or.comcast.net) (Ping timeout)
# [01:16] * Quits: nsilva (androirc@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [01:17] * Joins: JonathanS (JonathanS@17EDFC35.8737F162.521902B0.IP)
# [01:17] <@ehsan> ouch
# [01:18] <@khuey> jaws: usually, yes
# [01:19] * Parts: Joeh (joe@5A3923AA.BC22908.C7CEC4ED.IP)
# [01:19] * reuben is now known as Guest
# [01:20] * Quits: c0smikdebris (c0smikdebr@F6AD3556.982C2CD4.BE90E62C.IP) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
# [01:20] <smontagu> ehsan: all the other tests seem to pas though :)
# [01:22] <@ehsan> cool
# [01:24] * Guest is now known as reuben
# [01:26] * Quits: jorendorff (jorendorff@moz-91590D94.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) (Quit: jorendorff)
# [01:27] * Quits: mdas (mdas@8CB764BC.D30B51A1.412CF160.IP) (Quit: mdas)
# [01:27] * jhford-buildduty is now known as jhford-work
# [01:28] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
# [01:29] <markh> sfink / bholley: let me know if I can/should push the patches from bug 737245 to inbound
# [01:29] * Quits: jamesr (jamesr@moz-D74FB05B.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Quit: jamesr)
# [01:29] <jaws> khuey: it looks to be progressing well now, thanks for your help
# [01:30] <@khuey> jaws: np
# [01:30] <sfink> markh: I was going to do it soon, but if you want to do it now, be my guest. I tryservered them yesterday, and they looked good.
# [01:30] * Quits: nrc (nrc@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [01:30] * Quits: anant (anant@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: anant)
# [01:30] <markh> sfink: so did I :)
# [01:30] <markh> and I tested it against the dupe bug we were running into
# [01:30] * Quits: kaze (Daily@moz-94556EDC.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Client exited)
# [01:31] <markh> one procedural question: there are 3 patches - is it OK to just push 3 different changesets or should they be merged or something?
# [01:31] * Parts: Mavericks (Mibbit@2AA5A756.9632B610.FDEA3160.IP)
# [01:31] * Quits: josh (josh@moz-A64506F9.cm-4-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) (Quit: josh)
# [01:32] <sfink> Push them as 3 changesets. Everything still builds after each one, so it's fine, and smaller is better for bisecting.
# [01:35] * Joins: mjschranz (mjschranz@6954B5F0.531FD64C.630E4E47.IP)
# [01:35] * Joins: coyotebush (corey@moz-4E046E7E.cabrillo.reshall.calpoly.edu)
# [01:35] * Joins: Mossop (mossop@moz-AF120492.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
# [01:36] * Joins: birtles_ (chatzilla@moz-348F61F0.mozilla.or.jp)
# [01:36] * Quits: birtles (chatzilla@moz-348F61F0.mozilla.or.jp) (Ping timeout)
# [01:36] * birtles_ is now known as birtles
# [01:36] * joduinn-mtg is now known as joduinn
# [01:37] * Quits: Pike (Pike@moz-E31CD2CB.mozilla.org) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643])
# [01:38] <@roc> argh, random xperf "no, I will not show you call stacks today"
# [01:39] <@khuey> thats every day for me
# [01:39] * Quits: faramarz (faramarz@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: faramarz)
# [01:40] * Waldo wonders if the "x" in that stands for "awesome"
# [01:40] <Waldo> because of course it must stand for something!
# [01:41] <jhammel> eXtreme!
# [01:41] * Waldo sighs at how impossible it is to read newsgroups through a newsreader given how the mirroring totally destroys thread continuity and reply-to annotations
# [01:41] * Joins: clokep (Instantbir@moz-69FB3955.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com)
# [01:41] <zpao> gps: you're not on crack!
# [01:42] <@roc> khuey: have you tried the "Very Sleepy" profiler?
# [01:42] <@roc> if xperf doesn't work for you, maybe that's worth a try
# [01:42] <markh> Waldo: yeah, that drives me nuts!
# [01:42] * Quits: bmoss (bmoss@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [01:42] <Waldo> there's been a bug on file for years. and years. and years.
# [01:42] <Waldo> wish I had a way to get it prioritized higher, or something
# [01:43] * Quits: Mardak (Mardak@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: Mardak)
# [01:43] * Joins: xsergio (sergio@E9FB470.EB7C486C.5FA960DF.IP)
# [01:44] * Quits: Ami_Ty_ (Amie@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: Ami_Ty_)
# [01:45] <@roc> khuey: xperf usually does work for me with --enable-profiling --enable-debug-symbols
# [01:46] * Joins: lduros (lduros@moz-BED1C6A5.c3-0.rdl-ubr1.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com)
# [01:46] <@khuey> roc: I have not tried that
# [01:46] <@khuey> maybe I should
# [01:46] * Quits: jprmc (jprmc@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [01:46] * Joins: bmoss (bmoss@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [01:47] * jhford-work is now known as jhford-work-away
# [01:48] <@roc> in the past I have found that incremental linking confuses it, and forcing a full link fixed the problem
# [01:48] <@roc> not sure about this time yet
# [01:48] <Waldo> oh, sigh, bug 334171 got wontfixed :-(
# [01:48] <Waldo> er, no, that's different
# [01:48] * Joins: dbaron (dbaron@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [01:48] * ChanServ sets mode: +o dbaron
# [01:50] * Quits: jduell (jduell@moz-89639EB7.airbears.berkeley.edu) (Ping timeout)
# [01:50] * Joins: sheppy (sheppy@moz-F39D62DA.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com)
# [01:50] <markh> sfink: pushed, thanks!
# [01:50] * Quits: brendan (brendaneic@11B1236C.5B209293.746E7A12.IP) (Quit: brendan)
# [01:50] <sfink> markh: thank you!
# [01:51] <markh> well - thanking bholley makes the most sense - they were his patches after all :)
# [01:51] * Parts: stephend (stephend@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [01:51] * Joins: anky (anky@EA3CE527.588DE6B1.A3D1B221.IP)
# [01:52] * Joins: jimb (user@moz-529C7E2D.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
# [01:54] * Joins: pvivek_ (quassel@50B18FC4.E2C15B5F.2A068A5E.IP)
# [01:54] <reuben> Waldo, yea, it's pretty bad. and you have to subscribe to the newsgroup anyway if you want to post (or else it gets caught by spamassassin). I wish there was a "mailman helper" add-on for Thunderbird that would automatically detect and filter messages by list, it would make managing the lists in email much easier
# [01:55] <Waldo> reuben: subscribing anyway depends on the newsgroup, which is arguably even worse
# [01:55] * Joins: nrc (nrc@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP)
# [01:55] <NeilAway> aleth needed the command event
# [01:55] <markh> reuben: mailman does ad a list-id header so adding filters is easy, even if laborious...
# [01:56] * jhford-work-away is now known as jhford-work
# [01:57] <smontagu> ehsan: the texts are poorly designed :(
# [01:57] <@ehsan> how so?
# [01:57] <smontagu> I had a lot of serious bugs and 90%+ of the tests passed
# [01:57] <smontagu> so just defaulting to LTR passes a lot of the time
# [01:58] * Quits: jkc (segfault@moz-ECCC080F.rootnode.net) (Ping timeout)
# [01:58] * Joins: Enn (enn@moz-DB6467E3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [01:58] * Joins: Mardak (Mardak@moz-9D4EA709.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net)
# [01:58] * Quits: clee (clee@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: clee)
# [01:58] <smontagu> luckily I"m on the working group that wrote the tests and we have a meeting the week after next
# [01:58] <gps> PSA: expect ci.mozilla.org build failures
# [01:59] <markh> reuben: oh, and thunderbird has bug 716551 which will add the list-id to the standard filter UI instead of needing to add it as a "custom header"
# [02:00] * Joins: jkc (segfault@moz-ECCC080F.rootnode.net)
# [02:02] * Quits: louisremi (louisremi@moz-381A2210.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) (Ping timeout)
# [02:04] <fantasai> sicking: No, I don't think so.
# [02:04] <fantasai> sicking: In general, browser vendors agree that they're not useful.
# [02:04] <fantasai> sicking: But other industries have used them
# [02:04] <fantasai> jwir3: http://davidseah.com/blog/2006/05/the-printable-ceo-iv-task-order-up/
# [02:05] * jhford-work is now known as jhford-work-away
# [02:06] * Parts: lduros (lduros@moz-BED1C6A5.c3-0.rdl-ubr1.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com)
# [02:06] * Joins: Callek_Away (chatzilla@moz-76B555A8.bstnma.east.verizon.net)
# [02:06] <Callek_Away> ....so am I imagining things, or is android actually much more stable/sane this evening now?
# [02:06] <reuben> markh, yea, it's just too time consuming, subscribing, confirming, creating a folder, adding the filter. as opposed to simply subscribing on nntp
# [02:07] <markh> yeah
# [02:07] * Joins: pranavrc (pranavrc@5B857322.B488EF51.C28326FD.IP)
# [02:08] <dholbert> OMG I want "before 376832, after 376832, break 057ff000" to disappear so hard, in reftest logs
# [02:08] * Quits: jhammel (jhammel@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: leaving)
# [02:08] <dholbert> interrupting a data URI midline = fail
# [02:08] * Quits: Callek_Away (chatzilla@moz-76B555A8.bstnma.east.verizon.net) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643])
# [02:09] <philor> but, but, *nothing* is more important than knowing about httpd.js doing GC, *nothing*!
# [02:10] <@khuey> dholbert: does it happen on non-android platforms?
# [02:10] <dholbert> khuey, I've only seen it on android
# [02:10] * Quits: harth (harth@moz-C2C235AC.bb.sky.com) (Input/output error)
# [02:10] <@khuey> yeah
# [02:10] <dholbert> khuey, recently at least
# [02:10] <@khuey> there's some ancient xpcshell being used there
# [02:10] <dholbert> really? we're not building fresh?
# [02:10] * Joins: clee (clee@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [02:11] <@khuey> idk
# [02:11] <@khuey> but I removed the xpcshell printfs months ago
# [02:11] <@khuey> so ...
# [02:11] <dholbert> khuey, so did I...
# [02:11] <philor> it comes from http://bm-remote.build.mozilla.org/tegra/tegra-host-utils.zip
# [02:12] * Joins: jduell (jduell@moz-579EDBCF.airbears.berkeley.edu)
# [02:12] <dholbert> but yeah, an ancient xpcshell would explain why it's still happening
# [02:12] <@khuey> dholbert: lol
# [02:12] <@khuey> interesting that we both removed them
# [02:12] <dholbert> khuey, I think those lines were copypasted in a few places
# [02:12] <@khuey> that I would believe
# [02:12] <dholbert> khuey, you and I probably removed different chunks
# [02:13] <dholbert> my removal was https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=669412#c10
# [02:13] <dholbert> ah, and yours was http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/16c077af20cf
# [02:13] * Quits: hub (hub@21B7B9F2.B87E9213.6E712CE2.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [02:13] <dholbert> (vs mine in http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4f686c29a28e )
# [02:13] <philor> someone with a good memory of Mac packaging could say how old it is from things like it including nsMicrosummaryService.js
# [02:13] * Quits: birtles (chatzilla@moz-348F61F0.mozilla.or.jp) (Ping timeout)
# [02:14] <dholbert> philor, that URL is only accessible via buildvpn, I take it?
# [02:14] * Quits: damons (gnubeard@moz-7B0110AD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: damons)
# [02:14] <philor> dholbert: I imagine, and no idea if it lives anywhere elsewhere
# [02:14] * Joins: arron (arron@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [02:14] * Joins: panchot (panchot@moz-289EDA7E.telecom.net.ar)
# [02:14] * Joins: birtles (chatzilla@moz-348F61F0.mozilla.or.jp)
# [02:15] * Quits: myk (Instantbir@moz-64D96850.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com)
# [02:15] * Quits: jimb (user@moz-529C7E2D.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Ping timeout)
# [02:16] * Quits: Waldo (waldo@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-4.1450hg.fc15 [XULRunner 10.0.1/20120216115618])
# [02:16] * Quits: sworkman (sworkman@moz-1F6D1718.static-ip.telepacific.net) (Quit: sworkman)
# [02:16] * Parts: panchot (panchot@moz-289EDA7E.telecom.net.ar) (Leaving...)
# [02:17] * Joins: Yousuf (Mibbit@31CC06DB.C7369FCF.FCC3D93C.IP)
# [02:17] * Quits: Yousuf (Mibbit@31CC06DB.C7369FCF.FCC3D93C.IP) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
# [02:18] * dholbert files a RelEng bug on being sure that xpcshell is at least as up-to-date as my GC-spew-fix
# [02:18] <dholbert> philor / khuey (^ )
# [02:18] <arron> question: How can I read this file 'chrome://builder/content/js/index.js' synchronously from a Firefox Addon?
# [02:19] <arron> I was trying to use FileUtils.getFile , but I can't find the correct prefix key
# [02:20] * Quits: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Input/output error)
# [02:21] * Quits: tH (Rob@cpc16-seac19-2-0-cust234.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.1/2008072406])
# [02:21] * Joins: brendan (brendaneic@14066D16.3E547E06.43362C16.IP)
# [02:23] * Quits: mjschranz (mjschranz@6954B5F0.531FD64C.630E4E47.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [02:23] * Quits: ewong|sleep (chatzilla@F536648C.E5F17347.51F738FB.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [02:24] * Joins: ewong|sleep (chatzilla@F536648C.E5F17347.51F738FB.IP)
# [02:25] * Joins: irving (irving@23C23632.F51BC621.60212E94.IP)
# [02:25] * Quits: coyotebush (corey@moz-4E046E7E.cabrillo.reshall.calpoly.edu) (Client exited)
# [02:26] <WG9s> arron: not knowing that much about what you are trying to do, or what the issue you are running into is, it would seem you are trying to use something designed to read a file yet you are passing it a URI and not a file descriptor.
# [02:27] <bent> also, "synchronously" should be banned from everyone's vocabulary
# [02:27] * Quits: bmoss (bmoss@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [02:28] * Quits: pranavrc (pranavrc@5B857322.B488EF51.C28326FD.IP) (Client exited)
# [02:28] <WG9s> bent: Yet I am from Ashland Massachusetts where the synchronous motor was invented, so I might object to that.
# [02:28] <bent> s/vocabulary/mozilla-vocabulary/ :)
# [02:28] * Joins: Boriss (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP)
# [02:29] * Joins: jprmc (jprmc@78CFC4BC.5BCEC6DB.DA78B690.IP)
# [02:29] * Quits: irving (irving@23C23632.F51BC621.60212E94.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [02:29] * Quits: sheppy (sheppy@moz-F39D62DA.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) (Quit: sheppy)
# [02:31] <WG9s> bent: but it is a technology whose time has passed actully.
# [02:31] * Joins: Mavericks (Mibbit@2AA5A756.9632B610.FDEA3160.IP)
# [02:31] <WG9s> Origianlly used for electric clocks that plugged into the wall to time off the US 60 hertz power cycle to keep time.
# [02:31] * Joins: sworkman (sworkman@495CC20C.C853119A.43362C16.IP)
# [02:32] * Joins: bmoss (bmoss@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [02:33] <WG9s> The other use was not sure if this happened in the 1960's or 1970's but was to true the rotation of turntables to the 33RPM 45 PRM etc. back b4 there were even DC's (and does anyone even still use CDs now?)
# [02:33] <WG9s> s/DC's/CD's/
# [02:33] * Quits: cviecco_ (cviecco@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Input/output error)
# [02:34] * Quits: sicking (chatzilla@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [02:35] * coop|afk is now known as coop
# [02:36] * Joins: sicking (chatzilla@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [02:36] <arron> WG9s: ya, so the url that I'm using works when I use NetUtil.asyncFetch, but I need to fetch it synchronously, so I started looking into FileUtils.getFile
# [02:36] <WG9s> Back in the old times we used to try to time things off the 60 hertz (at that time was called cycles per second because it was before the hertz term was defined) of of the AC power form the local power comapny becuase it was th most accurate source of interval timing.
# [02:36] * Joins: coyotebush (corey@moz-4E046E7E.cabrillo.reshall.calpoly.edu)
# [02:37] <arron> but it requires a 'key' that makes the passed path relative to some location on the users computer. I can't find the correct 'key' that will allow me to reach that location
# [02:37] * Quits: clee (clee@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: clee)
# [02:37] <WG9s> arron: but loking for things that say they accdess data from files is not what you want if what you are providing as the source location of the data is a URL. you need to find something that says it will load a URL>
# [02:37] * Quits: @ehsan (ehsan@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Input/output error)
# [02:38] * Joins: mjschranz (mjschranz@6954B5F0.531FD64C.630E4E47.IP)
# [02:38] * Quits: sicking (chatzilla@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [02:39] <arron> WG9s: correct, or I need to find the equivalent file path
# [02:39] * Quits: bent (chatzilla@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.19/20110707195905])
# [02:40] * Quits: terrence (terrence@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [02:40] * Quits: Boriss (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP) (Quit: Boriss)
# [02:41] <arron> WG9s: so I need to turn chrome://[some-addon]/content/somefile.js URL into a relative to path to load it via FileUtils.getFile
# [02:41] * Quits: brendan (brendaneic@14066D16.3E547E06.43362C16.IP) (Quit: brendan)
# [02:41] <arron> I'm looking here
# [02:41] <arron> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Code_snippets/File_I%2F%2FO#Getting_special_files
# [02:42] * Joins: davidb (davidb@471D72E.2257F909.F30C9E9E.IP)
# [02:42] <WG9s> arron: weel either that or you need a way to do what you want veia an interface that takes a URI rather than a file as an argument.
# [02:42] * Quits: bmoss (bmoss@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: bmoss)
# [02:42] <WG9s> you dont; want to limit yourself to one solution here.
# [02:42] <WG9s> either way would do what youwant correct?
# [02:43] * Joins: pcwalton (pcwalton@moz-14B53B6A.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [02:43] * Quits: jimm (jmathies@moz-7F164CA1.pn.at.cox.net) (Quit: )
# [02:43] <WG9s> I have no answer for either way just saying that picking one soilution when 2 seem to be still active cuts in half the probabiltiy of you being aboe to get an answer.
# [02:44] * Joins: nattokirai (nattokirai@moz-348F61F0.mozilla.or.jp)
# [02:44] * Quits: bdahl (bdahl@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Client exited)
# [02:45] * Joins: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@moz-20EF8EAA.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [02:46] <jtcranmer> hey
# [02:47] * Quits: smontagu (chatzilla@moz-D32AE7DD.red.bezeqint.net) (Ping timeout)
# [02:47] <jtcranmer> I like Eyjafjallajökull
# [02:47] * Joins: Boriss (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP)
# [02:48] * khuey is now known as khuey|away
# [02:48] <philor> ITYM E13l
# [02:49] <WG9s> Hmm I like sztibawm (that is what i got when I sat on the keyboard ;-) )
# [02:49] * Quits: jprmc (jprmc@78CFC4BC.5BCEC6DB.DA78B690.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [02:49] * Quits: coyotebush (corey@moz-4E046E7E.cabrillo.reshall.calpoly.edu) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [02:49] <jtcranmer> WG9s: were you trying to teach your butt to program?
# [02:49] * Joins: coyotebush (corey@moz-4E046E7E.cabrillo.reshall.calpoly.edu)
# [02:49] * Joins: Boriss_ (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP)
# [02:49] * Quits: Boriss (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
# [02:49] * Boriss_ is now known as Boriss
# [02:49] * Quits: akeybl (akeybl@moz-7B0110AD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: Leaving...)
# [02:51] <@dolske> that would be assembly?
# [02:51] <WG9s> jcranmer|away: just sayin' I didn't understand your post in my normally sarcastic manner. ;-)
# [02:52] * Quits: gozala (gozala@moz-D5BED6F9.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [02:52] * Quits: Mook_as (mook@moz-1FCC0032.activestate.com) (Quit: gone)
# [02:53] <WG9s> jtcranmer: (guess I sent that to the wrong person, ooops) just sayin' I didn't understand your post in my normally sarcastic manner. ;-)
# [02:53] * Joins: rniwa_ (rniwa@60A74940.D6CCE4AE.77834EAA.IP)
# [02:53] * zpao is now known as zpao|detached
# [02:54] <njn> why doesn't my Windows installation of Firefox want to update? I'm on 10.0.1 and if I got to "about firefox" it just says "Updates available at http://www.firefox.com"
# [02:54] * Quits: rniwa (rniwa@moz-D74FB05B.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Ping timeout)
# [02:54] * rniwa_ is now known as rniwa
# [02:55] <nthomas> njn: please flip app.update.log to true, restart firefox, and then monitor the error console to catch the query to aus3.mozilla.org
# [02:55] * Quits: Asa (asa@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [02:56] * Joins: brendan (brendaneic@moz-A286C218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [02:56] * Joins: Asa (asa@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [02:57] * Joins: rniwa_ (rniwa@moz-D74FB05B.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
# [02:57] * Quits: coyotebush (corey@moz-4E046E7E.cabrillo.reshall.calpoly.edu) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [02:58] * Quits: rniwa (rniwa@60A74940.D6CCE4AE.77834EAA.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [02:58] * rniwa_ is now known as rniwa
# [02:58] * Joins: coyotebush (corey@moz-4E046E7E.cabrillo.reshall.calpoly.edu)
# [02:58] * Joins: clee (clee@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [02:59] * Quits: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@moz-20EF8EAA.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Input/output error)
# [02:59] * Quits: coyotebush (corey@moz-4E046E7E.cabrillo.reshall.calpoly.edu) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [02:59] * Joins: cjones (cjones@moz-45913895.socal.res.rr.com)
# [03:00] * Joins: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@moz-20EF8EAA.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [03:00] * Joins: coyotebush (corey@moz-4E046E7E.cabrillo.reshall.calpoly.edu)
# [03:00] * Quits: gkw (gkw@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre)
# [03:01] * Quits: Mardak (Mardak@moz-9D4EA709.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net) (Quit: Mardak)
# [03:01] * Quits: coyotebush (corey@moz-4E046E7E.cabrillo.reshall.calpoly.edu) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [03:01] <jgilbert> we have a header for <stdint> types, don't we?
# [03:01] <KWierso> njn: do you have admin privs in that account?
# [03:03] * Quits: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@moz-20EF8EAA.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Input/output error)
# [03:04] * Joins: coyotebush (corey@moz-4E046E7E.cabrillo.reshall.calpoly.edu)
# [03:05] * Joins: KWierso_ (chatzilla@moz-B1ECE26A.desm.qwest.net)
# [03:05] * Quits: coyotebush (corey@moz-4E046E7E.cabrillo.reshall.calpoly.edu) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [03:05] * Quits: brendan (brendaneic@moz-A286C218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: brendan)
# [03:05] * Joins: coyotebush (corey@moz-4E046E7E.cabrillo.reshall.calpoly.edu)
# [03:06] * Quits: jgriffin (jgriffin@moz-4FBFA41D.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) (Quit: jgriffin)
# [03:06] * Quits: KWierso (chatzilla@moz-B1ECE26A.desm.qwest.net) (Ping timeout)
# [03:06] * KWierso_ is now known as KWierso
# [03:06] * Quits: rniwa (rniwa@moz-D74FB05B.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Quit: rniwa)
# [03:07] * Joins: brendan (brendaneic@moz-A286C218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [03:07] * Joins: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@moz-20EF8EAA.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [03:08] * Quits: mascondante (kvirc@AD13EB4A.BBC03DF0.9A06DD32.IP) (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)
# [03:08] * Quits: mjschranz (mjschranz@6954B5F0.531FD64C.630E4E47.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [03:09] <njn> KWierso: no
# [03:09] * Joins: mdas (mdas@8CB764BC.D30B51A1.412CF160.IP)
# [03:10] * Quits: necolas (necolas@moz-20AA4BAE.bb.sky.com) (Client exited)
# [03:10] * Quits: jduell (jduell@moz-579EDBCF.airbears.berkeley.edu) (Ping timeout)
# [03:10] * Quits: biesi_ (cbiesinger@EE9A5AA8.6B10AC3.E2F59BBC.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [03:11] <njn> KWierso: will silent update work in non-admin accounts?
# [03:12] * Quits: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@moz-20EF8EAA.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Input/output error)
# [03:12] <KWierso> njn: it installs a windows service that runs with the needed privileges, as I understand it
# [03:12] * Joins: asac_ (asac@moz-E38F4262.pppoe.wtnet.de)
# [03:13] * Quits: WG9s (bill@moz-7A06A043.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-4.1450hg.fc16 [XULRunner 11.0/20120313114517])
# [03:13] * Quits: KWierso (chatzilla@moz-B1ECE26A.desm.qwest.net) (Client exited)
# [03:13] * Joins: ehsan (ehsan@F0B20A8D.8458880F.57F33CED.IP)
# [03:13] * ChanServ sets mode: +o ehsan
# [03:13] * Joins: KWierso (chatzilla@moz-B1ECE26A.desm.qwest.net)
# [03:14] * Quits: asac (asac@moz-A19544AA.pppoe.wtnet.de) (Ping timeout)
# [03:14] * Joins: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@moz-20EF8EAA.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [03:15] * Joins: mijia (mijia@DC4232F0.766373FB.C3A57E70.IP)
# [03:16] * Joins: gandalf (zbraniecki@moz-3366040B.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
# [03:16] <@roc> njn: you'd better file a bug!
# [03:16] <@roc> and debug it!
# [03:17] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
# [03:21] * Quits: Boriss (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [03:22] * Joins: Boriss (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP)
# [03:23] * Quits: Boriss (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP) (Quit: Boriss)
# [03:24] * Joins: Boriss (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP)
# [03:25] * Joins: biesi_ (cbiesinger@moz-49E8DCC9.tmodns.net)
# [03:26] * Quits: Boriss (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [03:26] * Joins: Boriss (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP)
# [03:27] * Quits: bnicholson (bnicholson@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [03:27] * Joins: jimb (user@moz-F4EC06CC.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
# [03:28] * Joins: bnicholson (bnicholson@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [03:30] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
# [03:30] * mcote|afk is now known as mcote
# [03:33] * catlee-away is now known as catlee
# [03:35] <@khuey> lol
# [03:35] <@khuey> fantasai++
# [03:37] * Joins: jorendorff (jorendorff@moz-91590D94.hsd1.tn.comcast.net)
# [03:38] <fantasai> khuey: ??
# [03:38] * Quits: jorendorff (jorendorff@moz-91590D94.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) (Quit: Eaten by grue.)
# [03:38] * fantasai doesn't remember saying something funny
# [03:38] <@khuey> fantasai: "4. Unless otherwise specified, trim quotes and interleave your replies."
# [03:38] * Joins: jprmc (jprmc@moz-7F2FF3EB.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [03:38] <fantasai> oh, heh
# [03:39] * Joins: kanru (user@moz-99690620.hinet-ip.hinet.net)
# [03:39] * Quits: AaronMT (AaronMT@moz-DB17C53A.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/)
# [03:41] <@roc> khuey: FWIW, clobbering my build fixed the xperf problem
# [03:41] * Quits: priya (Adium@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [03:41] * Quits: billm (billm@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: Leaving)
# [03:42] <@khuey> roc: interesting
# [03:42] * Quits: chewey (chewey@moz-42B22C94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (NickServ (GHOST command used by chewey_))
# [03:42] * Joins: chewey (chewey@moz-DA1C3108.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
# [03:43] * Quits: mccr8 (mccr8@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: mccr8)
# [03:45] * Quits: gandalf (zbraniecki@moz-3366040B.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
# [03:47] * Quits: Enn (enn@moz-DB6467E3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Ping timeout)
# [03:54] * Quits: sworkman (sworkman@495CC20C.C853119A.43362C16.IP) (Quit: sworkman)
# [03:54] * Quits: sewardj (sewardj@moz-BFF2397E.dip.t-dialin.net) (Ping timeout)
# [03:55] <nigelb> hah, khuey's right fantasai++
# [03:55] * nthomas is now known as nthomas|away
# [03:55] <nigelb> Also, by the time I actually see a thread, everything I want to say is almost always already said :/
# [03:56] * Joins: terrence (terrence@moz-7109B35.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net)
# [03:57] * Joins: mccr8 (mccr8@moz-5F92CD4B.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
# [03:57] <@khuey> you should change timezones
# [03:57] <nigelb> possibly.
# [03:58] <nigelb> Actually, if things work out well, I should be changing timezones in the not-so-distant future.
# [04:01] * Joins: mjschranz (mjschranz@moz-6FE6B833.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [04:03] * Quits: Asa (asa@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [04:03] * ctalbert is now known as ctalbert|afk
# [04:03] * Quits: @dbaron (dbaron@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: 8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.)
# [04:06] * Joins: jdm (jdm@moz-15BB5FE6.cable.teksavvy.com)
# [04:06] * Joins: NhanTDN (human_torc@DABF93C9.319B7742.85184009.IP)
# [04:07] * Quits: @ehsan (ehsan@F0B20A8D.8458880F.57F33CED.IP) (Input/output error)
# [04:08] * joduinn is now known as joduinn-afk
# [04:09] * Quits: mdas (mdas@8CB764BC.D30B51A1.412CF160.IP) (Quit: mdas)
# [04:10] * Quits: biesi_ (cbiesinger@moz-49E8DCC9.tmodns.net) (Ping timeout)
# [04:10] <Mossop> nigelb: I wish that were true for me, then I could not bother responding
# [04:11] * Quits: espindola (espindola@moz-AA4D9958.dsl.teksavvy.com) (Ping timeout)
# [04:11] * Quits: terrence (terrence@moz-7109B35.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout)
# [04:12] * Quits: azakai (alon@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [04:14] * Quits: nattofriends (tsutsumi@moz-A369A791.warosu.org) (Ping timeout)
# [04:14] * Quits: njn (chatzilla@moz-2FD59503.dyn.iinet.net.au) (Ping timeout)
# [04:14] * Joins: Enn (enn@moz-DB6467E3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [04:15] * Joins: nattofriends (tsutsumi@moz-A369A791.warosu.org)
# [04:15] * Quits: davidb (davidb@471D72E.2257F909.F30C9E9E.IP) (Quit: davidb)
# [04:16] <Mavericks> is there no other way for a tool to prompt a user that conflicts will occur and leave it to the user to apply or not so that whole fixing up bits can be done away with as mentioned @ http://mibpaste.com/TpBwxT
# [04:16] * Parts: arron (arron@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [04:17] <JonathanS> Mavericks, that looks like standard error message for merging.
# [04:17] * Quits: mccr8 (mccr8@moz-5F92CD4B.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Quit: mccr8)
# [04:17] * Joins: gozala (gozala@moz-D5BED6F9.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
# [04:19] * Joins: njn (chatzilla@moz-2FD59503.dyn.iinet.net.au)
# [04:19] <KWierso> Mavericks: if you use the patch tool to apply the patch, you can use the --dry-run flag to just do a trial run
# [04:19] * Quits: Boriss (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
# [04:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ed9cbe6a817e - Kyle Huey - Bug 741248: Attempt a fix by twiddling the makefile a bit. r=me
# [04:20] * Joins: Boriss (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP)
# [04:21] <KWierso> there's also --backup and/or --backup-if-mismatch that might be helpful
# [04:22] * Joins: rniwa (rniwa@moz-E171DA5.sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
# [04:23] * Quits: clee (clee@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: clee)
# [04:24] * Joins: ehsan (ehsan@F0B20A8D.8458880F.57F33CED.IP)
# [04:24] * ChanServ sets mode: +o ehsan
# [04:24] * Quits: Boriss (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP) (Quit: Boriss)
# [04:25] * Quits: NhanTDN (human_torc@DABF93C9.319B7742.85184009.IP) (Quit: quit quit quit)
# [04:29] * Joins: njn_ (chatzilla@moz-2FD59503.dyn.iinet.net.au)
# [04:31] * Quits: darktrojan (geoff@moz-30B3CCFD.telstraclear.net) (Quit: darktrojan)
# [04:31] * Joins: jamesr (jamesr@moz-C40B3BE3.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
# [04:31] * Joins: nli (nli@moz-99690620.hinet-ip.hinet.net)
# [04:33] * Joins: lht (elihait@moz-722A94AD.dreamhost.com)
# [04:33] * Joins: CuriousJohn (John@moz-B263DFDC.hsd1.ga.comcast.net)
# [04:35] * Joins: espindola (espindola@moz-5E2C9899.eng.wind.ca)
# [04:36] * Quits: xsergio (sergio@E9FB470.EB7C486C.5FA960DF.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [04:38] * Joins: surkov (surkov@B9538DF7.B7015738.33A1AC3C.IP)
# [04:38] * Quits: cpeterson (cpeterson@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Ping timeout)
# [04:38] * Joins: KaIRC (robert@moz-93472792.adsl.highway.telekom.at)
# [04:38] * Quits: KaiRo (robert@moz-F6B94C.adsl.highway.telekom.at) (Ping timeout)
# [04:39] * lsblakk is now known as lsblakk|afk
# [04:40] * Joins: glob (glob@moz-DF237567.glob.com.au)
# [04:41] * Quits: espindola (espindola@moz-5E2C9899.eng.wind.ca) (Ping timeout)
# [04:41] * Quits: njn (chatzilla@moz-2FD59503.dyn.iinet.net.au) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 12.0/20120328051619])
# [04:42] * Quits: KaIRC (robert@moz-93472792.adsl.highway.telekom.at) (Input/output error)
# [04:43] * Joins: espindola (espindola@moz-5E2C9899.eng.wind.ca)
# [04:46] * Quits: mwu (mwu@moz-78C039D6.ph.ph.cox.net) (Ping timeout)
# [04:49] * Joins: automata (automata@21672CAB.EF70936A.E0F4401A.IP)
# [04:50] * Joins: xsergio (sergio@E9FB470.EB7C486C.5FA960DF.IP)
# [04:51] * nthomas|away is now known as nthomas
# [04:51] * Quits: jamesr (jamesr@moz-C40B3BE3.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Quit: jamesr)
# [04:52] * Joins: Asa (asa@F259CFB7.9EF26CBA.EB5E51FC.IP)
# [04:53] * Quits: rjohnson19 (chatzilla@moz-9148485F.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204])
# [04:54] * Quits: espindola (espindola@moz-5E2C9899.eng.wind.ca) (Ping timeout)
# [04:54] * Joins: jet (junglecode@moz-79F891EE.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [04:55] * Quits: masayuki (Daily@moz-911CC660.zaq.ne.jp) (Quit: masayuki)
# [04:56] * Joins: masayuki (Daily@moz-911CC660.zaq.ne.jp)
# [04:56] * philor is now known as philor|away
# [04:56] * Quits: anky (anky@EA3CE527.588DE6B1.A3D1B221.IP) (Client exited)
# [04:59] <@roc> oh I wish xperf would display "percentage of one core" instead of "percentage over all cores"
# [04:59] <@roc> YES I KNOW MY APPLICATION IS SINGLE-THREADED THANKS
# [05:00] * Quits: mayhemer__ (Miranda@B3D46202.F87A741B.F23860FD.IP) (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org)
# [05:01] * Joins: Hughman (Mibbit@80D39027.2028720C.A3B82EC7.IP)
# [05:03] * Quits: jgilbert (jgilbert@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [05:03] * Quits: CuriousJohn (John@moz-B263DFDC.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) (Quit: CuriousJohn)
# [05:04] * Joins: anky (anky@EA3CE527.588DE6B1.A3D1B221.IP)
# [05:04] <nigelb> heh
# [05:07] * Quits: clokep (Instantbir@moz-69FB3955.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com)
# [05:08] <Mavericks> jlebar: looking at comment #33 on bug 15007
# [05:08] <Mavericks> *bug 150073
# [05:09] <Mavericks> jlebar: got a q regarding null check
# [05:10] <jlebar> Mavericks, Okay...
# [05:10] * Quits: xsergio (sergio@E9FB470.EB7C486C.5FA960DF.IP) (Client exited)
# [05:11] <Mavericks> jlebar: i need to check something- NS_strlen if it checks null properly . if i still have a q,be back.
# [05:12] * Quits: mjschranz (mjschranz@moz-6FE6B833.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Client exited)
# [05:14] * Quits: anky (anky@EA3CE527.588DE6B1.A3D1B221.IP) (Client exited)
# [05:15] <jdm> huh
# [05:15] <jdm> I feel like the Udacity courses must be suggesting that people contribute to open source projects like Firefox
# [05:15] * Joins: espindola (espindola@moz-5E2C9899.eng.wind.ca)
# [05:15] <jdm> I've had emails from about eight different people today saying that they've finished the Udacity course and want to contribute
# [05:17] * padenot is now known as padenot|away
# [05:19] * Joins: merinui (merinui@moz-61C7235E.osk2.eonet.ne.jp)
# [05:21] * Quits: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@moz-20EF8EAA.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Input/output error)
# [05:22] * Quits: pvivek_ (quassel@50B18FC4.E2C15B5F.2A068A5E.IP) (Client exited)
# [05:22] * Quits: espindola (espindola@moz-5E2C9899.eng.wind.ca) (Ping timeout)
# [05:23] * Joins: cjones_ (cjones@moz-45913895.socal.res.rr.com)
# [05:23] * Quits: cjones_ (cjones@moz-45913895.socal.res.rr.com) (Input/output error)
# [05:24] * Joins: espindola (espindola@moz-5E2C9899.eng.wind.ca)
# [05:24] * Joins: CuriousJohn (John@moz-B263DFDC.hsd1.ga.comcast.net)
# [05:25] * Quits: Enn (enn@moz-DB6467E3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Ping timeout)
# [05:25] * Joins: twi (Adium@moz-647AF740.cust.dsl.vodafone.it)
# [05:26] * Quits: automata (automata@21672CAB.EF70936A.E0F4401A.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [05:26] * Quits: cjones (cjones@moz-45913895.socal.res.rr.com) (Quit: Leaving)
# [05:26] * Joins: cjones (cjones@moz-45913895.socal.res.rr.com)
# [05:29] * Joins: mwu (mwu@moz-78C039D6.ph.ph.cox.net)
# [05:30] * Quits: mkaply (Earlybird@moz-92EDDD02.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout)
# [05:31] * timA is now known as timA|away
# [05:31] * Joins: espindol_ (espindola@moz-52C306.dsl.teksavvy.com)
# [05:32] * Quits: espindola (espindola@moz-5E2C9899.eng.wind.ca) (Ping timeout)
# [05:32] * Quits: dbradley (dbradley@moz-80450F75.fuse.net) (Ping timeout)
# [05:33] * Joins: larfdesk (Adam_Hinke@moz-F92153ED.longlines.com)
# [05:33] * coop is now known as coop|away
# [05:33] * Joins: dbradley (dbradley@moz-80450F75.fuse.net)
# [05:36] * Joins: mconley (mconley@moz-D640D16C.cable.teksavvy.com)
# [05:36] * Joins: gwagner_ (idefix2@moz-B8B530C2.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [05:37] <jlebar> To our x86 hackers (derf? glandium?): It looks like there are two ways to encode |mov edi, edi| -- 0x8bff and 0x89ff -- corresponding to |mov reg, mem/reg| and |mov mem/reg, reg|.
# [05:37] <jlebar> I just want to be sure that there's no hidden difference between these two encodings.
# [05:43] * padenot|away is now known as padenot
# [05:43] * Joins: bdahl (bdahl@moz-E197F13B.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [05:45] * Joins: mkaply (Earlybird@moz-92EDDD02.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net)
# [05:47] * jlebar wonders if potch's bugzilla UI is supposed to do something when I type in the box and press enter, or if the fact that it's a textbox which does nothing is a commentary on the current Bugzilla UI.
# [05:47] <glob> lol
# [05:48] * Quits: CuriousJohn (John@moz-B263DFDC.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) (Quit: CuriousJohn)
# [05:48] <nigelb> Don't say bad about bugzilla, glob is watching. Always.
# [05:48] * Joins: cviecco_ (cviecco@moz-2D8CF2BF.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [05:49] * Joins: espindola (espindola@moz-4EBD532B.dsl.teksavvy.com)
# [05:49] <glob> oh, the bugzilla UI is bad; it would be wrong to not say that
# [05:49] * Quits: espindol_ (espindola@moz-52C306.dsl.teksavvy.com) (Ping timeout)
# [05:49] * Joins: automata (automata@21672CAB.EF70936A.E0F4401A.IP)
# [05:49] <nigelb> what happened to the big plans for bugzilla UI re-design?
# [05:50] * Joins: Mardak (Mardak@moz-9509DFBB.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [05:50] <glob> nigelb, stalled; not many people interested in working on bugzilla
# [05:50] * philor|away is now known as philor
# [05:50] <glob> my focus right now is more on performance than making the UI pretty
# [05:52] <nigelb> rewrite in python xD
# [05:52] <jlebar> We're all going to be using github in a year anyway...
# [05:53] <@khuey> lies
# [05:53] <nigelb> github's bugtracker is primitive. Works great for small projects. Sucks for everything else.
# [05:53] <jlebar> Let's be honest, the octocat is a much better mascot than the bug.
# [05:53] <@khuey> heh
# [05:53] <nigelb> we can make our bug cuter...
# [05:59] <mwu> hmmmm where is mcmanus
# [05:59] <Mavericks> jlebar: i feel null check still needs to be there as per comment #33. NS_strlen @ http://miburl.com/MV4e8D doesn't do it. Am I missing i.e, if it's getting checked elsewhere ?
# [06:01] <jlebar> Mavericks, You should specifically ask in the bug if the null check should stay. I honestly don't know.
# [06:01] <jlebar> Mavericks, However, I don't think comment 33 is about the null check.
# [06:01] <jlebar> Mavericks, Comment 33 is about the strlen function which takes PRUnichar (16-bit char)
# [06:01] <jlebar> Oh, I see...
# [06:01] * Quits: Hughman (Mibbit@80D39027.2028720C.A3B82EC7.IP) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
# [06:02] <jlebar> Mavericks, I think Serge was confused about the null check. It's not right that one of those functions calls the other.
# [06:04] * Joins: jduell (jduell@moz-2D9EDA98.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net)
# [06:04] * Joins: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
# [06:05] * Quits: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
# [06:05] * Joins: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
# [06:07] * Quits: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [06:07] * Joins: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
# [06:07] <Mavericks> jlebar: ok
# [06:07] <derf> jlebar: AFAIK, there is no practical difference between the two encodings.
# [06:08] * Quits: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
# [06:08] * Joins: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
# [06:09] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
# [06:10] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP)
# [06:10] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [06:12] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [06:12] * dcamp is now known as campout
# [06:12] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP)
# [06:12] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [06:13] * Quits: JonathanS (JonathanS@17EDFC35.8737F162.521902B0.IP) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
# [06:14] * Quits: nrc (nrc@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [06:16] * Joins: nrc (nrc@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP)
# [06:17] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
# [06:18] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP)
# [06:18] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [06:18] * Quits: jdm (jdm@moz-15BB5FE6.cable.teksavvy.com) (Client exited)
# [06:18] * Quits: cpearce (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [06:19] * Joins: jdm (jdm@moz-15BB5FE6.cable.teksavvy.com)
# [06:19] * Joins: cpearce (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP)
# [06:21] * Quits: jdm (jdm@moz-15BB5FE6.cable.teksavvy.com) (Client exited)
# [06:22] * Quits: mconley (mconley@moz-D640D16C.cable.teksavvy.com) (Input/output error)
# [06:22] * Quits: Mardak (Mardak@moz-9509DFBB.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Mardak)
# [06:22] <mfinkle> rhelmer, how much stuff is in front of that Ts android native bug? :)
# [06:23] <mfinkle> just looking at a Ts regression and missing a nice chart
# [06:24] * Quits: AryehGregor (AryehGrego@9EF8C145.F045C4CE.CB858787.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [06:24] * Joins: Mardak (Mardak@moz-9509DFBB.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [06:24] * Quits: bdahl (bdahl@moz-E197F13B.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Client exited)
# [06:25] * nthomas is now known as nthomas|away
# [06:25] * cjones is now known as cjones-dinner
# [06:26] * Quits: bsmith (bsmith@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Ping timeout)
# [06:27] * Joins: sr (chatzilla@91BC8839.F442218F.88FACCAA.IP)
# [06:28] * Joins: pvivek_ (quassel@80790378.E7947FA9.2A068A5E.IP)
# [06:28] * sr is now known as smya
# [06:30] * Joins: AryehGregor (AryehGrego@9EF8C145.F045C4CE.CB858787.IP)
# [06:32] <aerowolf> I'm watching a build of the last buildable version of Thunderbird. It's linking xul.(lib|exp), and giving me a bunch of LNK4049 warnings, "locally defined symbol _NS_LogAddRef_P imported in function[...]". I'm on Windows 7/Visual Studio Pro 10. What's going on here?
# [06:35] * Quits: cviecco_ (cviecco@moz-2D8CF2BF.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Input/output error)
# [06:37] * edransch is now known as edransch-zzz
# [06:37] * Joins: priya (Adium@moz-5843392D.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [06:38] * aerowolf is now known as IRCMonkey1458
# [06:41] * Quits: IRCMonkey1458 (kyanha@moz-4AF49F74.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643])
# [06:42] * Quits: bholley (bholley@moz-FCAF9AAB.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
# [06:42] * Quits: mreavy (chatzilla@moz-6380AF60.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout)
# [06:42] * Quits: jesup (chatzilla@moz-6380AF60.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout)
# [06:43] * Joins: mreavy (chatzilla@moz-6380AF60.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
# [06:43] * Joins: jesup (chatzilla@moz-6380AF60.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
# [06:43] * Quits: mkaply (Earlybird@moz-92EDDD02.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout)
# [06:46] * Quits: pcwalton (pcwalton@moz-14B53B6A.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: nbvcx)
# [06:48] * khuey is now known as khuey|away
# [06:51] * Joins: ctopper (craig@C3495DA.BA3DBA56.AE2B2F80.IP)
# [06:52] * Quits: bnicholson (bnicholson@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [06:53] * Joins: bnicholson (bnicholson@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [06:54] * Joins: sicking (chatzilla@moz-67285255.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [06:54] * Joins: jfkthame (jfkthame@42653AA7.90783722.9542EC20.IP)
# [06:55] * Quits: bnicholson (bnicholson@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [06:55] * cjones-dinner is now known as cjones
# [06:57] <jduell> anyone know how I can do a diff in hg between different firefox releases? Do we have a list of release tags/commit#s somewhere?
# [06:57] * jduell suspects cjones might know
# [06:58] <jduell> Aha--I think I've found them
# [06:59] * Quits: dbradley (dbradley@moz-80450F75.fuse.net) (Quit: )
# [06:59] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [06:59] * Quits: cpearce (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [07:00] * Quits: eflores (eflores@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [07:00] * Joins: eflores (eflores@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP)
# [07:00] * Joins: cpearce (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP)
# [07:00] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP)
# [07:00] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [07:00] * Joins: CuriousJohn (John@moz-B263DFDC.hsd1.ga.comcast.net)
# [07:01] * mcote is now known as mcote|afk
# [07:02] * Quits: ashish (ashish@moz-B77DEAEB.mozilla.org) (Ping timeout)
# [07:03] * Joins: ashish (ashish@moz-B77DEAEB.mozilla.org)
# [07:04] * Joins: kryophrost94 (Mibbit@6547DBC2.359A3FD2.9FEB19E.IP)
# [07:06] <jduell> hmm--I've found the official release tags for hg, but they only seem to exist on release branch, not in central. Do we have a known way to do a diff on central from a given release, or at least when the tree was forked for the release?
# [07:06] * Quits: zuzelvp (zuzelvp@2112147D.C3507A2D.9A8C35B4.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [07:07] * Quits: mreavy (chatzilla@moz-6380AF60.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout)
# [07:07] * Quits: jesup (chatzilla@moz-6380AF60.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout)
# [07:09] * Joins: cviecco_ (cviecco@moz-2D8CF2BF.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [07:10] * Joins: bnicholson (bnicholson@moz-F08A2DE.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [07:12] * Quits: espindola (espindola@moz-4EBD532B.dsl.teksavvy.com) (Client exited)
# [07:13] * Quits: sicking (chatzilla@moz-67285255.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Ping timeout)
# [07:13] * Joins: zuzelvp (zuzelvp@2112147D.C3507A2D.9A8C35B4.IP)
# [07:14] * Quits: automata (automata@21672CAB.EF70936A.E0F4401A.IP) (Quit: Saindo)
# [07:14] * Joins: mreavy (chatzilla@moz-6380AF60.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
# [07:14] * Joins: vikash (vikash@DABACF8B.9B552DFD.5D9ABA9F.IP)
# [07:15] <Cork> jduell: you would prob have to check in the release tree for the last merge before the release and use that revision
# [07:15] <Cork> never seen another way at least
# [07:15] * Joins: jesup (chatzilla@moz-6380AF60.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
# [07:15] * Joins: smaug (chatzilla@moz-AE444E5A.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi)
# [07:15] * ChanServ sets mode: +o smaug
# [07:15] * Joins: espindola (espindola@moz-4EBD532B.dsl.teksavvy.com)
# [07:15] * Quits: Mardak (Mardak@moz-9509DFBB.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Mardak)
# [07:15] <jduell> Cork: thanks--I'm just using date range for now, which is close enough for my purposes, hopefully
# [07:16] * Joins: bsmith (bsmith@moz-6BB70391.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [07:20] * Quits: cviecco_ (cviecco@moz-2D8CF2BF.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Input/output error)
# [07:20] * Joins: anky (anky@EA3CE527.588DE6B1.A3D1B221.IP)
# [07:20] * Joins: cviecco_ (cviecco@moz-2D8CF2BF.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [07:24] * Quits: jet (junglecode@moz-79F891EE.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: jet)
# [07:25] * Quits: pvivek_ (quassel@80790378.E7947FA9.2A068A5E.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [07:25] * Joins: tchevalier (tchevalier@moz-5830F2F3.w90-48.abo.wanadoo.fr)
# [07:25] * Quits: tchevalier (tchevalier@moz-5830F2F3.w90-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Quit: tchevalier)
# [07:27] * Joins: hub (hub@moz-E2FCA694.figuiere.net)
# [07:27] * Joins: pvivek_ (quassel@80790378.E7947FA9.2A068A5E.IP)
# [07:28] * Joins: MarcoZ (Daily@moz-C3875970.dip.t-dialin.net)
# [07:28] * Quits: pvivek_ (quassel@80790378.E7947FA9.2A068A5E.IP) (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)
# [07:28] * Joins: pvivek_ (quassel@80790378.E7947FA9.2A068A5E.IP)
# [07:31] * Joins: gkw (gkw@moz-7CD88B0C.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [07:32] * Joins: catalinb (ethereal@590D2376.7E118222.89C0DD0D.IP)
# [07:33] * Joins: smontagu (chatzilla@moz-D32AE7DD.red.bezeqint.net)
# [07:34] * Quits: cpearce (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [07:35] <rhelmer> mfinkle: hmm is that scaling the y-axis appropriately, or a different one?
# [07:37] <rhelmer> mfinkle: if so it's on stage (graphs.allizom.org) which runs a nightly db import
# [07:37] * Quits: CuriousJohn (John@moz-B263DFDC.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) (Quit: CuriousJohn)
# [07:37] <rhelmer> mfinkle: if you need more recent data you can clone the graphs repo and just open the index.html in a browser, it'll pull data from prod
# [07:39] <Cork> does anyone here have access to bug 737388 ?
# [07:39] <Cork> (could they check if ff11 is marked as affected)
# [07:39] * Joins: CuriousJohn (John@moz-B263DFDC.hsd1.ga.comcast.net)
# [07:40] <Cork> bp-0d4e45d4-1bbc-4595-98be-6a38a2120405 points to bug 736830 but its only for ff14+
# [07:40] * Joins: Honza (chatzilla@C62E2FAA.23B79DE4.D0083327.IP)
# [07:41] * Quits: gwagner_ (idefix2@moz-B8B530C2.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: gwagner_)
# [07:42] * Joins: bholley (bholley@moz-FCAF9AAB.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [07:42] * Quits: zuzelvp (zuzelvp@2112147D.C3507A2D.9A8C35B4.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [07:43] * Joins: zuzelvp (zuzelvp@2112147D.C3507A2D.9A8C35B4.IP)
# [07:44] * Quits: espindola (espindola@moz-4EBD532B.dsl.teksavvy.com) (Client exited)
# [07:45] * Joins: Mardak (Mardak@moz-4FA48382.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [07:45] <@smaug> Cork: Bug 737388 was some m-c only thing
# [07:45] <@smaug> FF14 only
# [07:45] <Cork> ok, good
# [07:45] <Cork> thx
# [07:45] * Quits: firebot (firebot@moz-67BF9FE6.carolina.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout)
# [07:49] * Quits: catalinb (ethereal@590D2376.7E118222.89C0DD0D.IP) (Quit: Leaving)
# [07:49] * Quits: gkw (gkw@moz-7CD88B0C.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre)
# [07:50] * Quits: CuriousJohn (John@moz-B263DFDC.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) (Quit: CuriousJohn)
# [07:52] * Quits: jfkthame (jfkthame@42653AA7.90783722.9542EC20.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [07:53] * Joins: jfkthame (jfkthame@42653AA7.90783722.9542EC20.IP)
# [07:54] * Joins: stransky (stransky@moz-BA3F7E46.net.upcbroadband.cz)
# [07:54] * Quits: vikash (vikash@DABACF8B.9B552DFD.5D9ABA9F.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [07:54] * Joins: pallanikumaran (pallanikum@moz-2175048C.dynip.nus.edu.sg)
# [07:54] * Quits: coyotebush (corey@moz-4E046E7E.cabrillo.reshall.calpoly.edu) (Ping timeout)
# [07:55] <pallanikumaran> hello people
# [07:55] <pallanikumaran> i need some help with htis bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739866
# [07:56] * Joins: Mnyromyr (MnyroWork@moz-E2E3FF3D.tal.de)
# [07:57] * Joins: maikmerten (merten@moz-E254386D.cs.uni-dortmund.de)
# [07:59] <pallanikumaran> i need to store the current time in the new field that i created? any help on how i would go about tdoing that?
# [08:00] * Joins: firebot (firebot@moz-67BF9FE6.carolina.res.rr.com)
# [08:01] * Quits: cviecco_ (cviecco@moz-2D8CF2BF.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Input/output error)
# [08:02] <Cork> smaug: just to fill in some blanks, looks like its a crash caused by firebug console so false alarm :)
# [08:03] * Joins: cviecco_ (cviecco@moz-2D8CF2BF.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [08:04] <@smaug> firebug console shouldn't probably be able to crash FF
# [08:04] <Cork> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742629
# [08:04] <Cork> not sure if the reporter get it from the same but its how i was able to reproduce it
# [08:04] * Joins: RemusPop (remuspop@601F3B17.33662590.A5830293.IP)
# [08:05] * Joins: jdm (jdm@moz-9AEDE212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [08:06] * Quits: robarnold (rob@moz-59F6B5.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Ping timeout)
# [08:07] * Quits: anky (anky@EA3CE527.588DE6B1.A3D1B221.IP) (Quit: Leaving...)
# [08:07] * Joins: robarnold (rob@moz-59F6B5.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
# [08:09] * Quits: bnicholson (bnicholson@moz-F08A2DE.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Leaving)
# [08:10] * Quits: cjones (cjones@moz-45913895.socal.res.rr.com) (Quit: Leaving)
# [08:10] * Joins: cjones (cjones@moz-45913895.socal.res.rr.com)
# [08:10] * Quits: jduell (jduell@moz-2D9EDA98.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout)
# [08:11] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [08:14] * Quits: kryophrost94 (Mibbit@6547DBC2.359A3FD2.9FEB19E.IP) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
# [08:14] * Quits: cilias (cilias@moz-D65C0C74.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Quit: cilias)
# [08:19] * Quits: rail_away (rail@moz-E6144DC3.iqchoice.com) (Ping timeout)
# [08:20] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
# [08:20] * Joins: rail_away (rail@moz-E6144DC3.iqchoice.com)
# [08:22] * Quits: cjones (cjones@moz-45913895.socal.res.rr.com) (Quit: Leaving)
# [08:23] * Joins: cjones (cjones@moz-45913895.socal.res.rr.com)
# [08:23] * Joins: gkw (gkw@moz-7CD88B0C.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [08:24] * Joins: JonathanS (JonathanS@17EDFC35.8737F162.521902B0.IP)
# [08:24] * Quits: bholley (bholley@moz-FCAF9AAB.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
# [08:27] * Quits: fxa90id (fxa90id@moz-829BEFC9.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Quit: Leaving)
# [08:31] * padenot is now known as padenot|away
# [08:32] * Joins: CuriousJohn (John@moz-4C1C7342.gar.clearwire-wmx.net)
# [08:33] * Quits: JonathanS (JonathanS@17EDFC35.8737F162.521902B0.IP) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
# [08:35] * Quits: hub (hub@moz-E2FCA694.figuiere.net) (Ping timeout)
# [08:39] * Joins: Standard8 (Standard8@B7F1AE36.48015583.54C3481B.IP)
# [08:40] * Joins: victorporof (victorporo@AAF12FE3.67CDC207.79933D60.IP)
# [08:40] * Quits: Mossop (mossop@moz-AF120492.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Ping timeout)
# [08:40] * Quits: gozala (gozala@moz-D5BED6F9.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [08:41] * Quits: victorporof (victorporo@AAF12FE3.67CDC207.79933D60.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [08:41] * Quits: Hendikins (wolfox@moz-16899DFF.hhui4.ken.bigpond.net.au) (Ping timeout)
# [08:44] * Quits: nrc (nrc@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 12.0/20120328051619])
# [08:45] * Joins: m_kato (Daily@moz-348F61F0.mozilla.or.jp)
# [08:51] * Joins: sewardj (sewardj@moz-4F396C34.dip.t-dialin.net)
# [08:54] * Joins: xakz (XaMaD@moz-34FBE388.fbx.proxad.net)
# [08:54] * joduinn-afk is now known as joduinn-home
# [08:55] * Quits: rniwa (rniwa@moz-E171DA5.sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Quit: rniwa)
# [08:58] * Quits: cjones (cjones@moz-45913895.socal.res.rr.com) (Quit: Leaving)
# [08:59] * Quits: zuzelvp (zuzelvp@2112147D.C3507A2D.9A8C35B4.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [08:59] * Joins: cpeterson (cpeterson@moz-175D1473.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [08:59] * Quits: stransky (stransky@moz-BA3F7E46.net.upcbroadband.cz) (Quit: Connection reset by beer)
# [09:00] * Quits: cpeterson (cpeterson@moz-175D1473.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Input/output error)
# [09:00] * Joins: squeakytoy (squeakytoy@moz-9E84F244.netset.se)
# [09:01] * Quits: ctopper (craig@C3495DA.BA3DBA56.AE2B2F80.IP) (Quit: ctopper)
# [09:01] * Joins: Ms2ger (Ms2ger@3D429861.2FFB4560.37724B0D.IP)
# [09:02] * Quits: priya (Adium@moz-5843392D.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [09:03] * philor is now known as philor|away
# [09:03] * Joins: ctopper (craig@C3495DA.BA3DBA56.AE2B2F80.IP)
# [09:06] * Quits: kutsurak (pex@moz-C350D81A.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Client exited)
# [09:06] * Quits: romaxa (romashin@670ACB81.66590CC0.4A6948F8.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [09:08] * Quits: eflores (eflores@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP) (Quit: Bye)
# [09:08] * Joins: kutsurak (pex@moz-C350D81A.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr)
# [09:08] <pallanikumaran> exit
# [09:08] <pallanikumaran> quit
# [09:08] * Quits: pallanikumaran (pallanikum@moz-2175048C.dynip.nus.edu.sg) (Quit: leaving)
# [09:10] * Quits: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
# [09:11] * Joins: Hendikins (wolfox@moz-16899DFF.hhui4.ken.bigpond.net.au)
# [09:11] * Joins: clee (clee@moz-E3C0B5D0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [09:11] <jdm> there is no escape
# [09:11] * Joins: jet (junglecode@moz-79F891EE.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [09:13] * Quits: ctopper (craig@C3495DA.BA3DBA56.AE2B2F80.IP) (Quit: ctopper)
# [09:13] * Joins: jhorak (jhorak@moz-107AD163.redhat.com)
# [09:15] * Joins: romaxa (romashin@670ACB81.66590CC0.4A6948F8.IP)
# [09:16] * Joins: pascalc (chatzilla@moz-446F98C8.fbxo.proxad.net)
# [09:16] * Joins: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
# [09:16] * Joins: kaze (Daily@moz-CB189C31.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr)
# [09:18] <Ms2ger> Wow, I got a mail "Hello from Kristina.", sent on 2013-04-03 05:09 PM
# [09:19] * Quits: jet (junglecode@moz-79F891EE.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: jet)
# [09:20] * Joins: glazou (glazou@moz-204094DD.disruptive-innovations.fr)
# [09:20] <KWierso> Ms2ger: ask her for next week's lottery numbers
# [09:20] * Quits: CuriousJohn (John@moz-4C1C7342.gar.clearwire-wmx.net) (Quit: CuriousJohn)
# [09:21] <Ms2ger> Do you reckon she'd still remember those?
# [09:21] <KWierso> I would hope the internet still exists a year from now, she can look it up for us
# [09:22] * One is now known as TheOtherOne
# [09:22] * TheOtherOne is now known as TheOne
# [09:23] * Joins: c0smikdebris (c0smikdebr@F6AD3556.982C2CD4.BE90E62C.IP)
# [09:25] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
# [09:26] <nigelb> KWierso: It's easiser just to ask Unfocused.
# [09:27] <@smaug> although I just read The Sands of Sarasvati, I do expect internet to still exists a year from now
# [09:36] * Joins: timdream (timdream@moz-EBB6E761.rev.numericable.fr)
# [09:38] * Quits: timdream (timdream@moz-EBB6E761.rev.numericable.fr) (Ping timeout)
# [09:39] * Joins: timdream (timdream@moz-104CC309.mv.mozilla.com)
# [09:40] * Joins: enda (chatzilla@moz-797AFB4F.cisco.com)
# [09:41] * Joins: biesi (cbiesinger@moz-5EE692A7.ca.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
# [09:41] * Quits: bsmith (bsmith@moz-6BB70391.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Leaving)
# [09:42] * Joins: Stan_ (Stan@moz-1F9AACA1.dip.t-dialin.net)
# [09:42] * Quits: Stan (Stan@moz-536F63D6.dip.t-dialin.net) (Ping timeout)
# [09:43] * Quits: kutsurak (pex@moz-C350D81A.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Client exited)
# [09:44] <glazou> bonjour
# [09:44] * Quits: clee (clee@moz-E3C0B5D0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: clee)
# [09:49] <glob> happy bmo update day! https://bugzil.la/738732,672841,705474
# [09:49] * glob points to gerv's excellent work to enable browserid on bmo!
# [09:50] <NeilAway> jlebar: fyi 0x89ff seems to be the preferred version here
# [09:50] * Joins: gakiwate (Gautam@CCAA586A.5927968B.372B258F.IP)
# [09:51] * Quits: gakiwate (Gautam@CCAA586A.5927968B.372B258F.IP) (Quit: Leaving)
# [09:51] * Joins: gakiwate (Gautam@CCAA586A.5927968B.372B258F.IP)
# [09:51] * Quits: mwu (mwu@moz-78C039D6.ph.ph.cox.net) (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
# [09:53] * Quits: cadecairos (cadecairos@moz-632B4208.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
# [09:54] <glazou> note to self: don't open #developers links in bluegriffon...
# [09:55] * Joins: pnemsak (Miranda@moz-BE85878E.citicom.sk)
# [09:56] <Ms2ger> glob, I sure hope we won't require Persona...
# [09:56] <glob> Ms2ger, i doubt that'll happen
# [09:57] <Ms2ger> Also, while you're here
# [09:57] <glob> yesssss
# [09:57] * Quits: mreavy (chatzilla@moz-6380AF60.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout)
# [09:57] * Joins: mreavy (chatzilla@moz-6380AF60.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
# [09:57] <Ms2ger> I get both "[Bug XXX] (Secure bug updated)" and "[Bug XXX] (Secure bug XXX updated)"
# [09:58] <Ms2ger> Is that known?
# [09:58] <nigelb> Ms2ger: Pretty sure most mozilla@ folk can't use Persona.
# [09:58] <nigelb> err, I mean... @mozilla
# [09:58] <Ms2ger> nigelb, well, duh, it's unusable
# [09:58] <nigelb> Ms2ger: Actually, it is anyone above editbugs.
# [09:58] <nigelb> (AFAIK, glob can confirm)
# [09:59] <glob> nigelb, that was changed; we now have a blacklist instead of > editbugs
# [09:59] <Unfocused> no, anyone with editbugs can confirm
# [09:59] <nigelb> glob: ah
# [09:59] <nigelb> Unfocused: *stab*
# [09:59] <Unfocused> ;)
# [09:59] * Joins: smagnin (pike@moz-DEF53BC9.fbx.proxad.net)
# [09:59] <@smaug> ahaa, if I build FF, while still using the build from the same objdir, we end up invalidating some caches (XBL/XUL/?) and that leads to worse CC times in some cases
# [09:59] <glob> Ms2ger, yes, one of the changes pushed was to include the redundant bug number
# [10:00] <glob> Ms2ger, because gmail
# [10:00] <Ms2ger> glob, not everywhere, then
# [10:00] <glob> Ms2ger, oh, it should be everywhere
# [10:00] * Joins: Goldorak (chatzilla@5A8038A8.138B9D4B.187A1082.IP)
# [10:00] <glob> Ms2ger, do you have it for emails sent less than 10 minutes ago?
# [10:01] <Ms2ger> I haven't got any bugmail in the last ten minutes, so, no :)
# [10:01] * Quits: gakiwate (Gautam@CCAA586A.5927968B.372B258F.IP) (Client exited)
# [10:01] <glob> hrm, maybe i got my bug numbers mixed up
# [10:01] <Unfocused> everyone CC Ms2ger
# [10:01] * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen
# [10:01] <Ms2ger> Last without was Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:02:31 +0000
# [10:01] <Unfocused> for science!
# [10:01] <glob> i blame holiday mode
# [10:02] <Ms2ger> Hmm
# [10:02] * Joins: tonymec__ (tonymec@5AAF12FB.65031E94.277517C1.IP)
# [10:02] * tonymec__ is now known as tonymec|away
# [10:02] <glob> bug 741996 may be related
# [10:02] <Ms2ger> Also, glob, you know all the X-Bugzilla- headers are still sent?
# [10:02] <glob> Ms2ger, yup
# [10:03] <glob> Ms2ger, the goal isn't to remove all useful info from the email :P
# [10:03] <Ms2ger> Oh, I thought it was ;)
# [10:03] <nigelb> heh
# [10:03] <Ms2ger> At least for people like me who have no key set up
# [10:04] <glob> here's where i spent the last 5 days: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16292140/broome-pool.jpg
# [10:04] <Ms2ger> Boo.
# [10:04] <Ms2ger> Is that the sea?
# [10:05] <glob> no, the sea looks like http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16292140/broome-sunset.jpg
# [10:05] <Ms2ger> I sea.
# [10:07] * Ms2ger wanders off
# [10:07] <glob> \o/
# [10:07] * Quits: cviecco_ (cviecco@moz-2D8CF2BF.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Input/output error)
# [10:09] * Quits: Hendikins (wolfox@moz-16899DFF.hhui4.ken.bigpond.net.au) (Ping timeout)
# [10:09] * Joins: Hendikins (wolfox@moz-16899DFF.hhui4.ken.bigpond.net.au)
# [10:10] * Quits: timdream (timdream@moz-104CC309.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [10:13] * Quits: nattokirai (nattokirai@moz-348F61F0.mozilla.or.jp) (Quit: nattokirai)
# [10:14] * Quits: biesi (cbiesinger@moz-5EE692A7.ca.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Ping timeout)
# [10:16] * Quits: @smaug (chatzilla@moz-AE444E5A.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) (Input/output error)
# [10:16] * Joins: smaug (chatzilla@moz-AE444E5A.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi)
# [10:16] * ChanServ sets mode: +o smaug
# [10:18] * Quits: birtles (chatzilla@moz-348F61F0.mozilla.or.jp) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204])
# [10:20] * Joins: robhawkes (robhawkes@moz-33A339B7.dsl.cnl.uk.net)
# [10:20] <NeilAway> glob: "enable"?
# [10:21] <glob> NeilAway, ?
# [10:21] <NeilAway> glob: nm, Ms2ger++
# [10:21] * Joins: rniwa (rniwa@moz-E171DA5.sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
# [10:21] * Joins: msucan (msucan-@E52374FB.B8F2BA96.699550A1.IP)
# [10:22] * Quits: rniwa (rniwa@moz-E171DA5.sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Quit: rniwa)
# [10:22] <NeilAway> although that was before his incredibly lame pun
# [10:22] * Joins: jacek (jacek@moz-5D707D3B.psi.wroc.pl)
# [10:23] * Joins: bsmith (bsmith@moz-6BB70391.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [10:25] * Joins: harth (harth@moz-C2C235AC.bb.sky.com)
# [10:27] * Joins: cpearce (chatzilla@moz-CAF4778E.xdsl.xnet.co.nz)
# [10:29] * Joins: JeroenDeDauw (j@moz-9355DBC.dip.t-dialin.net)
# [10:30] * Quits: @dveditz (dveditz@moz-34991AF4.dhcp.cruzio.com) (Quit: dveditz)
# [10:31] * Joins: timdream (timdream@moz-104CC309.mv.mozilla.com)
# [10:31] * Joins: mauke_ (mauke@moz-6A01E0D8.superkabel.de)
# [10:31] * Quits: znhxr (mauke@moz-6A01E0D8.superkabel.de) (Ping timeout)
# [10:35] * Quits: njn_ (chatzilla@moz-2FD59503.dyn.iinet.net.au) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 14.0a1/20120403215251])
# [10:35] * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away
# [10:36] * Quits: JeroenDeDauw (j@moz-9355DBC.dip.t-dialin.net) (Input/output error)
# [10:36] * Joins: stransky (stransky@moz-107AD163.redhat.com)
# [10:37] * Quits: rillian (giles@21B7B9F2.B87E9213.6E712CE2.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [10:38] * mauke_ is now known as znhxr
# [10:38] * Quits: harth (harth@moz-C2C235AC.bb.sky.com) (Input/output error)
# [10:38] * Joins: JeroenDeDauw (j@moz-9355DBC.dip.t-dialin.net)
# [10:41] <jdm> bring out your memes
# [10:42] <jdm> I will pay top dollar for them
# [10:44] <nigelb> hah
# [10:48] * Quits: enda (chatzilla@moz-797AFB4F.cisco.com) (Ping timeout)
# [10:49] * Joins: rillian (giles@21B7B9F2.B87E9213.6E712CE2.IP)
# [10:50] * Joins: victorporof (victorporo@622F294A.8E4D8E22.4A6B528C.IP)
# [10:52] * Quits: Wevah (Wevah@moz-5435D49F.stcd.qwest.net) (Quit: Wevah)
# [10:53] * davehunt|away is now known as davehunt
# [10:54] * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen
# [10:54] * Joins: NhanTDN (human_torc@DABF93C9.319B7742.85184009.IP)
# [10:58] * Quits: tonymec|away (tonymec@5AAF12FB.65031E94.277517C1.IP) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
# [11:00] * Joins: tonymec__ (tonymec@5AAF12FB.65031E94.277517C1.IP)
# [11:01] * tonymec__ is now known as tonymec|away
# [11:02] <glazou> nsISelection, why do you hate me...
# [11:02] <Ms2ger> It hates us all
# [11:04] * Quits: Hendikins (wolfox@moz-16899DFF.hhui4.ken.bigpond.net.au) (Ping timeout)
# [11:05] <glazou> does not consolate me :-)
# [11:05] <glazou> sorry bad translation
# [11:05] <Ms2ger> Console? That sounds even worse
# [11:05] <glazou> does not confort me
# [11:05] <glazou> lol
# [11:06] * glazou just had trouble switching from spanish to english thinking in french :-/
# [11:07] <Ms2ger> Why can't we all speak C++... :)
# [11:07] <gcp> what's the easiest way to find the m-c changeset corresponding to a release?
# [11:07] <gcp> (I know there isn't a direct correspondence due to branching)
# [11:07] <Ms2ger> Something_AURORA_BASE?
# [11:08] <Ms2ger> AURORA_BASE_20120131
# [11:08] <Ms2ger> Though, huh
# [11:08] <Ms2ger> 13 has FIREFOX_AURORA_13_BASE for some reason
# [11:09] <Mavericks> or esperanto
# [11:09] * Quits: GPHemsley (GPHemsley@moz-A2DF0FC4.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Ping timeout)
# [11:09] <gcp> thanks
# [11:09] * Quits: bsmith (bsmith@moz-6BB70391.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Ping timeout)
# [11:11] * Joins: mak|afk (chatzilla@moz-8C087C3D.retail.telecomitalia.it)
# [11:18] * Joins: TheLink (TheLink@moz-183F7DCD.pools.arcor-ip.net)
# [11:19] * Mark_Capella is now known as Mark_Capella|naptime
# [11:19] <@smaug> Honza: ping
# [11:21] * Joins: vikash (vikash@DABACF8B.9B552DFD.5D9ABA9F.IP)
# [11:32] * Joins: louisremi (louisremi@moz-381A2210.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr)
# [11:32] * Joins: dao (dao@moz-2F6F2556.superkabel.de)
# [11:33] * Joins: florian (Instantbir@moz-87C33FDA.kimsufi.com)
# [11:33] * Joins: tonymec (tonymec@5AAF12FB.65031E94.277517C1.IP)
# [11:33] * Joins: harth (harth@40018561.F684631.21A4E96A.IP)
# [11:36] * Joins: paolo (paolo@moz-FCECBC2B.retail.telecomitalia.it)
# [11:40] * Quits: pascalc (chatzilla@moz-446F98C8.fbxo.proxad.net) (Ping timeout)
# [11:41] * Quits: @smaug (chatzilla@moz-AE444E5A.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) (Ping timeout)
# [11:41] * Quits: karl (karl@moz-17042FAA.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) (Ping timeout)
# [11:41] <Ms2ger> !summon khuey|away
# [11:43] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: surely that should be !banish
# [11:43] <Ms2ger> Well...
# [11:44] <Ms2ger> I need help with burning builds on tbpl
# [11:44] <Ms2ger> I gathered khuey|away could help e
# [11:44] <Ms2ger> me, even
# [11:44] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: well, not while he's away :-P
# [11:44] <Ms2ger> :(
# [11:54] * Joins: edmorley (edmorley@moz-CA0328CD.range86-145.btcentralplus.com)
# [11:55] * mattwoodrow is now known as mattwoodrow|away
# [11:55] * Quits: tonymec (tonymec@5AAF12FB.65031E94.277517C1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [11:57] * Joins: tonymec (tonymec@5AAF12FB.65031E94.277517C1.IP)
# [12:00] * Joins: GPHemsley (GPHemsley@moz-A2DF0FC4.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
# [12:04] * glob is now known as glob|away
# [12:04] * Joins: gandalf (zbraniecki@moz-3366040B.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
# [12:06] * Joins: adoria0000 (Mibbit@moz-B6C2C62F.osaka.ocn.ne.jp)
# [12:07] * Quits: ehoogeveen (emanuel.ho@moz-B95F3766.chello.nl) (Quit: )
# [12:09] * Joins: re588 (RE@E9A639C3.E46D361A.8F339A2F.IP)
# [12:09] * Quits: mijia (mijia@DC4232F0.766373FB.C3A57E70.IP) (Client exited)
# [12:10] * Quits: dao (dao@moz-2F6F2556.superkabel.de) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [12:11] * Joins: fxa90id (fxa90id@moz-83BBC510.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
# [12:13] <re588> What happens if one submits two or more proposals to mozilla for GSoC, are they reviewed independently or? There are quite a few interesting projects
# [12:15] * Quits: cpearce (chatzilla@moz-CAF4778E.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) (Ping timeout)
# [12:15] * Quits: philipp64|laptop (chatzilla@moz-B40B9015.ctcweb.net) (Connection reset by peer)
# [12:15] <gerv> re588: you are encouraged to submit a couple.
# [12:15] * Joins: philipp64|laptop (chatzilla@moz-B40B9015.ctcweb.net)
# [12:15] <gerv> If there is more than 1 thing that interests you.
# [12:15] <gerv> We review all proposals, and then pick the best ones,
# [12:16] <gerv> with an eye to spreading the slots across the project.
# [12:16] <gerv> So if you apply for something where the competition is fierce,
# [12:16] <gerv> you may not win, but you may instead get a slot for an idea which is less popular.
# [12:16] * Joins: graememcc (chatzilla@moz-790B72CA.range86-148.btcentralplus.com)
# [12:18] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [12:18] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [12:19] * Quits: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
# [12:19] * Joins: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
# [12:20] * Joins: pranavrc (pranavrc@C4939F71.9EDE08CF.C28326FD.IP)
# [12:20] <re588> gerv: Thanks
# [12:21] * Quits: janv (varga@moz-DE50E089.flarion.as5628.telecom.sk) (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
# [12:22] * Quits: decoder (quassel@moz-216446B9.own-hero.net) (Ping timeout)
# [12:22] * Joins: janv (varga@moz-DE50E089.flarion.as5628.telecom.sk)
# [12:23] * Joins: decoder (quassel@moz-216446B9.own-hero.net)
# [12:24] * Quits: janv (varga@moz-DE50E089.flarion.as5628.telecom.sk) (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
# [12:24] * mak|afk is now known as mak
# [12:26] * Joins: clokep (Instantbir@moz-69FB3955.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com)
# [12:26] * Joins: KaiRo (robert@moz-93472792.adsl.highway.telekom.at)
# [12:28] * Joins: Wevah (Wevah@moz-5435D49F.stcd.qwest.net)
# [12:31] * Quits: vikash (vikash@DABACF8B.9B552DFD.5D9ABA9F.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [12:32] * Quits: jkc (segfault@moz-ECCC080F.rootnode.net) (Ping timeout)
# [12:32] * Joins: jkc (segfault@moz-ECCC080F.rootnode.net)
# [12:34] * Quits: tonymec (tonymec@5AAF12FB.65031E94.277517C1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [12:35] * Joins: janv (varga@moz-DE50E089.flarion.as5628.telecom.sk)
# [12:35] * Quits: clokep (Instantbir@moz-69FB3955.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com)
# [12:35] * Joins: tonymec (tonymec@5AAF12FB.65031E94.277517C1.IP)
# [12:35] * Joins: clokep (Instantbir@moz-69FB3955.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com)
# [12:36] * Quits: lht (elihait@moz-722A94AD.dreamhost.com) (Ping timeout)
# [12:36] * Joins: supreet (quassel@780E8960.D5D84BD7.DF11F364.IP)
# [12:39] <Ms2ger> smontagu, yt?
# [12:41] * Joins: harsh (Mibbit@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP)
# [12:41] * Joins: Jagannath (Mibbit@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP)
# [12:46] * Joins: gabor (gabor@moz-9735527E.pool.digikabel.hu)
# [12:47] * Joins: vikash_ (vikash@DABACF8B.9B552DFD.5D9ABA9F.IP)
# [12:50] * NeilAway noms more planet xhtml
# [12:51] * Quits: pranavrc (pranavrc@C4939F71.9EDE08CF.C28326FD.IP) (Quit: Ping timeout: ∞)
# [12:56] * Joins: pranavrc (pranavrc@C4939F71.9EDE08CF.C28326FD.IP)
# [12:57] * Quits: clokep (Instantbir@moz-69FB3955.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com)
# [12:59] * Quits: nli (nli@moz-99690620.hinet-ip.hinet.net) (Quit: nli)
# [12:59] * Quits: victorporof (victorporo@622F294A.8E4D8E22.4A6B528C.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
# [13:00] * Quits: jdm (jdm@moz-9AEDE212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Client exited)
# [13:00] * Joins: johanc (chatzilla@moz-D8A1AA43.bredband.comhem.se)
# [13:01] * Quits: shorlander (shorlander@moz-853043D6.dhcp.insightbb.com) (Connection reset by peer)
# [13:01] * Joins: shorlander (shorlander@moz-853043D6.dhcp.insightbb.com)
# [13:02] * Parts: Mavericks (Mibbit@2AA5A756.9632B610.FDEA3160.IP)
# [13:02] <smontagu> Ms2ger: just arrived
# [13:03] <Ms2ger> I was looking at nsIWordBreaker, and wondering if it really needs to be an XPCOM interface
# [13:04] * Joins: Optimizer (Mibbit@6BCF5DE2.2E81CE6D.89AC0F27.IP)
# [13:04] * Parts: Optimizer (Mibbit@6BCF5DE2.2E81CE6D.89AC0F27.IP)
# [13:04] * Joins: pascalc (chatzilla@moz-A2A3C9E6.vlan402.asr1.cdg3.gblx.net)
# [13:06] * Joins: necolas (necolas@moz-20AA4BAE.bb.sky.com)
# [13:07] <smontagu> Ms2ger: probably not
# [13:08] * smontagu doubts it even needs to be a class
# [13:09] * mak is now known as mak|afk
# [13:09] <Ms2ger> I was thinking a class with static functions, but that's so 2010
# [13:09] <smontagu> does it save state anywhere?
# [13:10] <Ms2ger> Nowhere I can see
# [13:10] <smontagu> I thought we fixed the JISx4051/4501 type
# [13:10] <smontagu> typo, even
# [13:10] * Quits: louisremi (louisremi@moz-381A2210.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) (Ping timeout)
# [13:10] * smontagu doesn't remember off the top of his head which one is right
# [13:11] <smontagu> but nsJISx4051LineBreaker is defined in nsJISx4501LineBreaker.h
# [13:11] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [13:12] <Ms2ger> Google claims 4051
# [13:12] * Quits: NhanTDN (human_torc@DABF93C9.319B7742.85184009.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [13:13] <Ms2ger> // need to call Thai word breaker from here
# [13:13] <Ms2ger> Always nice to find comments that were added by ftang
# [13:14] * Joins: Polynomial-C (Poly-C@moz-27B3BC81.dip.t-dialin.net)
# [13:15] * Quits: Jagannath (Mibbit@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
# [13:20] * Quits: mkelly (mkelly@moz-99CF8925.members.linode.com) (Ping timeout)
# [13:20] * Quits: mburns (mburns@moz-42D3ADBA.members.linode.com) (Ping timeout)
# [13:20] * Quits: qDot (qDot@moz-4548DE5D.members.linode.com) (Ping timeout)
# [13:20] * Quits: bkero (bkero2@moz-ED825A1B.members.linode.com) (Ping timeout)
# [13:20] * Joins: qDot (qDot@moz-4548DE5D.members.linode.com)
# [13:20] * Quits: adoria0000 (Mibbit@moz-B6C2C62F.osaka.ocn.ne.jp) (Ping timeout)
# [13:20] * Joins: Enn (enn@moz-DB6467E3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [13:20] * Joins: bkero (bkero2@moz-ED825A1B.members.linode.com)
# [13:20] * Quits: janv (varga@moz-DE50E089.flarion.as5628.telecom.sk) (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
# [13:21] * Quits: ferongr (ferongr@CF8EE14F.F831E23E.F5160715.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [13:21] * Joins: smaug (chatzilla@moz-AE444E5A.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi)
# [13:21] * ChanServ sets mode: +o smaug
# [13:22] * Quits: Enn (enn@moz-DB6467E3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Ping timeout)
# [13:23] * Quits: qDot (qDot@moz-4548DE5D.members.linode.com) (Ping timeout)
# [13:23] * Quits: bkero (bkero2@moz-ED825A1B.members.linode.com) (Ping timeout)
# [13:24] * Joins: Archae|Daily (Daily@moz-756328DB.cust.telecolumbus.net)
# [13:24] * Joins: Yoric (Yoric@moz-A2A3C9E6.vlan402.asr1.cdg3.gblx.net)
# [13:25] * davehunt is now known as davehunt|away
# [13:26] * Quits: sgreenlay (sgreenlay@E17A855D.16AD8761.971E19F6.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [13:26] * Joins: sgreenlay (sgreenlay@E17A855D.16AD8761.971E19F6.IP)
# [13:28] * Joins: jwatt (roslea@jwatt.irc.users.mozilla.org)
# [13:31] * catlee is now known as catlee-away
# [13:35] * Joins: dbradley (dbradley@moz-80450F75.fuse.net)
# [13:37] * Joins: louisremi (louisremi@moz-381A2210.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr)
# [13:38] * Joins: Optimizer (Mibbit@6BCF5DE2.2E81CE6D.89AC0F27.IP)
# [13:38] * Parts: Optimizer (Mibbit@6BCF5DE2.2E81CE6D.89AC0F27.IP)
# [13:40] * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away
# [13:40] * Joins: jviereck (Adium@moz-26045BE5.dclient.hispeed.ch)
# [13:41] * Quits: harsh (Mibbit@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
# [13:43] * Joins: Jagannath (Mibbit@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP)
# [13:43] * Joins: bkero (bkero2@moz-ED825A1B.members.linode.com)
# [13:43] * Joins: mkelly (mkelly@moz-99CF8925.members.linode.com)
# [13:44] * Joins: qDot (qDot@moz-4548DE5D.members.linode.com)
# [13:45] * Joins: janv (varga@moz-DE50E089.flarion.as5628.telecom.sk)
# [13:49] * Quits: jviereck (Adium@moz-26045BE5.dclient.hispeed.ch) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [13:51] * Joins: enda (chatzilla@4EC9BEF8.679532CF.2500F951.IP)
# [13:55] * Joins: mconley (mconley@moz-D640D16C.cable.teksavvy.com)
# [13:56] * Quits: supreet (quassel@780E8960.D5D84BD7.DF11F364.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [13:59] * Joins: bjacob (bjacob@moz-ADCA75DC.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [13:59] * Quits: c0smikdebris (c0smikdebr@F6AD3556.982C2CD4.BE90E62C.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [14:00] * mak|afk is now known as mak
# [14:00] * Quits: doublec (doublec@moz-55CD7EAB.pn) (Ping timeout)
# [14:02] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [14:02] * Joins: sheppy (sheppy@moz-4992DE6D.static.kgpt.tn.charter.com)
# [14:04] * Joins: adoria0000 (Mibbit@moz-B6C2C62F.osaka.ocn.ne.jp)
# [14:04] * Quits: graememcc (chatzilla@moz-790B72CA.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120310193349])
# [14:04] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [14:04] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [14:04] * Quits: adoria0000 (Mibbit@moz-B6C2C62F.osaka.ocn.ne.jp) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
# [14:04] * Joins: adoria0000 (Mibbit@moz-B6C2C62F.osaka.ocn.ne.jp)
# [14:07] * Quits: Jagannath (Mibbit@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
# [14:07] * Joins: Jagannath (Mibbit@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP)
# [14:07] * Quits: @smaug (chatzilla@moz-AE444E5A.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) (Input/output error)
# [14:08] * Joins: jviereck (Adium@moz-26045BE5.dclient.hispeed.ch)
# [14:08] * Joins: smaug (chatzilla@moz-AE444E5A.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi)
# [14:08] * ChanServ sets mode: +o smaug
# [14:08] * Joins: garnacho_ (carlos@moz-95A0FF70.red-83-51-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net)
# [14:09] * Joins: c0smikdebris (c0smikdebr@F8E893F9.CADDDC1.D2D1FAF0.IP)
# [14:10] * Joins: harsh (Mibbit@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP)
# [14:11] * Joins: micadeyeye (micadeyeye@moz-A4DFD73A.dynamic.wa.co.za)
# [14:14] * Joins: zuzelvp (zuzelvp@2112147D.C3507A2D.9A8C35B4.IP)
# [14:14] * Quits: necolas (necolas@moz-20AA4BAE.bb.sky.com) (Client exited)
# [14:16] * Mark_Capella|naptime is now known as Mark_Capella
# [14:17] * Quits: mconley (mconley@moz-D640D16C.cable.teksavvy.com) (Input/output error)
# [14:17] * Quits: smontagu (chatzilla@moz-D32AE7DD.red.bezeqint.net) (Ping timeout)
# [14:18] * Joins: Enn (enn@moz-DB6467E3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [14:21] * bhearsum|afk is now known as bhearsum
# [14:23] * Quits: johanc (chatzilla@moz-D8A1AA43.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout)
# [14:23] * Quits: crussell (colby@moz-6E56C1D9.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) (Ping timeout)
# [14:23] * Joins: ferongr (ferongr@CF8EE14F.F831E23E.F5160715.IP)
# [14:23] * Joins: crussell (colby@moz-6E56C1D9.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net)
# [14:24] * Quits: Archae|Daily (Daily@moz-756328DB.cust.telecolumbus.net) (Quit: Archae|Daily)
# [14:25] * Joins: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de)
# [14:27] * Quits: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [14:27] * Joins: ehoogeveen (emanuel.ho@moz-B95F3766.chello.nl)
# [14:27] * Joins: KdeeQ (chatzilla@moz-EDB3EEB6.haaga-helia.fi)
# [14:27] * Quits: crussell (colby@moz-6E56C1D9.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) (Ping timeout)
# [14:28] * Joins: Boriss (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP)
# [14:29] * Quits: jviereck (Adium@moz-26045BE5.dclient.hispeed.ch) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [14:29] * Joins: jviereck (Adium@moz-26045BE5.dclient.hispeed.ch)
# [14:29] * Quits: jviereck (Adium@moz-26045BE5.dclient.hispeed.ch) (Client exited)
# [14:32] * merike|away is now known as merike
# [14:32] * Joins: graememcc (chatzilla@moz-790B72CA.range86-148.btcentralplus.com)
# [14:37] * Quits: KdeeQ (chatzilla@moz-EDB3EEB6.haaga-helia.fi) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643])
# [14:37] * Joins: armenzg (armenzg@2E5B7F44.5BCEC6DB.DA78B690.IP)
# [14:37] * Quits: Boriss (FlyingToas@A56C7BF9.E5D7038F.799F721.IP) (Quit: Boriss)
# [14:38] <Ms2ger> lxr-1998-06-10: http://lxr.linux.no
# [14:38] <Ms2ger> Yay, MXR
# [14:39] * Quits: re588 (RE@E9A639C3.E46D361A.8F339A2F.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [14:41] * Joins: bc (bc@454BDC37.1D5E8529.AC69809B.IP)
# [14:42] * Joins: Pike (Pike@moz-E31CD2CB.mozilla.org)
# [14:42] * Quits: Enn (enn@moz-DB6467E3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Ping timeout)
# [14:44] * Joins: joey (chatzilla@moz-EFCB4CBF.princetowncable.com)
# [14:46] * Quits: janv (varga@moz-DE50E089.flarion.as5628.telecom.sk) (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
# [14:47] * Quits: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [14:47] * Joins: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP)
# [14:47] * Joins: supreet (quassel@780E8960.D5D84BD7.DF11F364.IP)
# [14:48] * edransch-zzz is now known as edransch-afk
# [14:49] * Joins: espindola (espindola@E3F5259F.AEE431CB.287A8ADE.IP)
# [14:49] * Quits: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [14:50] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [14:50] * Joins: mkaply (Earlybird@moz-92EDDD02.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net)
# [14:51] * Joins: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@moz-20EF8EAA.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [14:51] * Joins: Optimizer (Mibbit@6BCF5DE2.2E81CE6D.89AC0F27.IP)
# [14:51] * Parts: Optimizer (Mibbit@6BCF5DE2.2E81CE6D.89AC0F27.IP)
# [14:52] * Joins: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP)
# [14:52] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [14:52] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [14:53] * armenzg is now known as armenzg_brb
# [14:53] <glandium> jlebar: ping
# [14:53] * Quits: armenzg_brb (armenzg@2E5B7F44.5BCEC6DB.DA78B690.IP) (Input/output error)
# [14:54] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [14:55] * Joins: Cwiiis (cwiiis@40018561.F684631.21A4E96A.IP)
# [14:55] * Joins: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de)
# [14:56] * Quits: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [14:57] * Joins: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP)
# [14:58] * Quits: fxa90id (fxa90id@moz-83BBC510.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Quit: Leaving)
# [14:58] * Quits: @smaug (chatzilla@moz-AE444E5A.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) (Ping timeout)
# [14:59] * Quits: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [14:59] * Joins: jdm (jdm@moz-9AEDE212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [15:00] * Joins: drice (derice@1606D15F.E628B196.8E155D4E.IP)
# [15:01] * Joins: AaronMT (AaronMT@moz-DB17C53A.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [15:02] * Joins: ibarlow (ibarlow@moz-D5CDF301.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [15:03] * Quits: m_kato (Daily@moz-348F61F0.mozilla.or.jp) (Quit: m_kato)
# [15:04] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [15:04] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [15:04] * Joins: mats (chatzilla@E8A3702C.D5022173.8500CC29.IP)
# [15:04] <hsivonen> How do I make https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/log?rev=hsivonen%40iki.fi show more results?
# [15:05] * Quits: jdm (jdm@moz-9AEDE212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Client exited)
# [15:07] <glandium> hsivonen: did you try "user(hsivonen@iki.fi)" ?
# [15:08] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [15:08] <glandium> doesn't quite work, apparently
# [15:09] <sheppy> Hm... I have a friend whose Fx11 is freezing when closing tabs, very frequently. He eventually gets an unresponsive script warning, at line 1644 in tabbrowser.xul. Looks like it thinks he's closing the last tab in the window, but he's not.
# [15:09] <sheppy> any thoughts?
# [15:10] <glandium> sheppy: how many tabs does he have?
# [15:10] <sheppy> glandium: 2-3
# [15:10] <Unfocused> safe-mode
# [15:10] * Quits: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de) (Ping timeout)
# [15:10] * Joins: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de)
# [15:10] <glandium> times 1000, i would have understood...
# [15:10] * Unfocused bets it's an addon
# [15:11] * Quits: masayuki (Daily@moz-911CC660.zaq.ne.jp) (Quit: masayuki)
# [15:11] <sheppy> How do you do safe mode? shift key on startup?
# [15:11] <reuben> alt
# [15:11] <Unfocused> Help -> Restart with addons disabled
# [15:12] <hsivonen> glandium: the full contents of my user field didn't work, either
# [15:13] * hsivonen solved it by local copying and pasting
# [15:13] * Joins: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP)
# [15:14] * Joins: davidb (davidb@471D72E.2257F909.F30C9E9E.IP)
# [15:14] <sheppy> He can only reproduce the problem if he uses the "Open all in Tabs" option in a tab's drop-down.
# [15:15] <sheppy> He can't reproduce with add-ons off though, so we'll proceed from there. I thought I'd had him do that already but apparently not :)
# [15:15] <sheppy> thanks all
# [15:16] * Quits: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [15:16] * Joins: tomer (tomer@7AF4670C.A2C54A10.FC30AC02.IP)
# [15:17] * Quits: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de) (Ping timeout)
# [15:17] <tomer> I really like the idea that commit messages on github can be added as comments in their issues tracker automatically. Let's do the same on Bugzilla. ☺
# [15:18] <Ms2ger> Sure
# [15:18] <Ms2ger> Let me know when your patch is finished
# [15:18] * Joins: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de)
# [15:18] * Joins: ajuma (ajuma@moz-CDCFE118.home.cgocable.net)
# [15:18] <tomer> Basically it's the same logic we already have for linkifying Bugzilla comments.
# [15:19] * Quits: tonymec (tonymec@5AAF12FB.65031E94.277517C1.IP) (Input/output error)
# [15:19] * Quits: nhirata (nhirata.bu@moz-585D5EFC.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: nhirata)
# [15:19] * Joins: armenzg (armenzg@2E5B7F44.5BCEC6DB.DA78B690.IP)
# [15:19] <tomer> I don't think that it require anything more than adding such script as post-commit hook on Subversion and Mercurial.
# [15:20] * Quits: ajuma (ajuma@moz-CDCFE118.home.cgocable.net) (Quit: ajuma)
# [15:20] * Joins: ajuma (ajuma@moz-CDCFE118.home.cgocable.net)
# [15:20] <Ms2ger> Excellent
# [15:20] <Ms2ger> Good luck!
# [15:21] <reuben> http://hg.alliedmods.net/hg-extensions/file/c9623bc6368f/bugzilla.py
# [15:21] <reuben> does something similar
# [15:21] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [15:21] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [15:22] <reuben> it creates comments like those: https://bugs.alliedmods.net/show_bug.cgi?id=5101#c3
# [15:22] * Quits: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
# [15:22] * Quits: tonymec|away (tonymec@5AAF12FB.65031E94.277517C1.IP) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
# [15:22] * Joins: Enn (enn@moz-DB6467E3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [15:22] * Joins: mjschranz (mjschranz@A71CC449.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP)
# [15:23] <sheppy> Yep, found the "Facebook Purity" extension is causing it.
# [15:23] * edransch-afk is now known as edransch
# [15:23] * Joins: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP)
# [15:26] <nigelb> sheppy: Seems to be impure ;-)
# [15:26] <sheppy> nigelb: indeed!
# [15:27] <jfkthame> bugzilla seems to be having an erratic day…. or is it just me?
# [15:28] <jair> hello guys!
# [15:28] <jair> hello guys, I am pulling my hair because I can not make firefox 11.0 in linux to handle the magnet torrent link/file... Believe me I did the gnome configuration and the about:config tool as well all just as indicated but still not work...
# [15:28] <jair> when I use google chrome it opens and ask me what application to use all good and nice but what is going on with firefox?
# [15:28] <nigelb> jfkthame: I think there was an upgrade. Not sure if it was today. glob|away would know.
# [15:28] <JesperHansen> hmm... The textarea is 2px wider than it is suppose to be?
# [15:29] <AryehGregor> The bot set [autoland-in-queue] here, but didn't post a link to the try. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316447
# [15:29] * Quits: Enn (enn@moz-DB6467E3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Ping timeout)
# [15:30] <jfkthame> glob|away: for when you're back, know anything about bugzilla oddities today? it's intermittently showing me obsolete stuff in my request queue
# [15:30] * Joins: janv (varga@moz-DE50E089.flarion.as5628.telecom.sk)
# [15:31] * Quits: @ehsan (ehsan@F0B20A8D.8458880F.57F33CED.IP) (Input/output error)
# [15:31] * nigelb is now known as nigel_no_longer_bot_b
# [15:32] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, doesn't look like it made it to try... mjessome, lsblakk|afk ^
# [15:32] * jmaher|afk is now known as jmaher
# [15:32] <AryehGregor> Doesn't seem so, no.
# [15:32] <JesperHansen> wait, no the textareas has a 2px offset from top left :o
# [15:33] * Quits: pvivek_ (quassel@80790378.E7947FA9.2A068A5E.IP) (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)
# [15:34] * Quits: mkaply (Earlybird@moz-92EDDD02.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout)
# [15:34] * Quits: smya (chatzilla@91BC8839.F442218F.88FACCAA.IP) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 13.0a1/20120303192654])
# [15:34] * Joins: anky (anky@923327FC.33B42AB0.A3D1B221.IP)
# [15:35] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, also, I ended up wasting the last twenty minutes browsing anime forums I hang around on half a decade ago :)
# [15:35] * Quits: garnacho_ (carlos@moz-95A0FF70.red-83-51-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) (Ping timeout)
# [15:35] * Joins: anky_ (anky@CB606F70.6C91B022.A3D1B221.IP)
# [15:36] * Quits: anky (anky@923327FC.33B42AB0.A3D1B221.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [15:37] * Joins: Enn (enn@moz-DB6467E3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [15:38] * coop|away is now known as coop|buildduty
# [15:39] * Joins: nli (nli@F803B951.C9260D23.51315CC9.IP)
# [15:39] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [15:39] * Quits: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [15:40] * Quits: Enn (enn@moz-DB6467E3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Ping timeout)
# [15:40] * Joins: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP)
# [15:40] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [15:40] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [15:41] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
# [15:41] * Ziggy_Maes is now known as Ziggy|AWAY
# [15:42] * Quits: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [15:42] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [15:42] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [15:42] * Joins: mconley (mconley@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
# [15:42] * Quits: glob|away (glob@moz-DF237567.glob.com.au) (Connection reset by peer)
# [15:43] * Joins: glob (glob@moz-DF237567.glob.com.au)
# [15:43] * Joins: lht (elihait@moz-722A94AD.dreamhost.com)
# [15:43] * Quits: TheOne (TheOne@moz-D58488C3.dfki.uni-kl.de) (Ping timeout)
# [15:45] * Joins: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP)
# [15:48] * Joins: johanc (chatzilla@moz-D8A1AA43.bredband.comhem.se)
# [15:48] <glazou> investigated a bit why the editor can't get rid of <br/>s
# [15:48] <glazou> a lot of its code rely on it
# [15:49] <glazou> even for detection of lines inside a <pre>
# [15:49] <glazou> the original author of the code, Joe Francis, probably found it easier AND compatible with the standard
# [15:50] <glazou> (html4 at that time)
# [15:50] * Joins: tchevalier (tchevalier@moz-5830F2F3.w90-48.abo.wanadoo.fr)
# [15:51] <glazou> kaze: are you an editor peer?
# [15:52] <glazou> or did you entirely switch to mobile?
# [15:52] * Quits: supreet (quassel@780E8960.D5D84BD7.DF11F364.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [15:54] * Joins: supreet (quassel@F8651007.CCFB0DCE.DF11F364.IP)
# [15:54] * Quits: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de) (Connection reset by peer)
# [15:54] * Joins: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de)
# [15:56] * Quits: Pike (Pike@moz-E31CD2CB.mozilla.org) (Ping timeout)
# [15:56] * Quits: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de) (Ping timeout)
# [15:57] * Joins: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de)
# [15:58] * Quits: TheLink (TheLink@moz-183F7DCD.pools.arcor-ip.net) (Client exited)
# [15:59] * Joins: mkaply (Earlybird@moz-92EDDD02.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net)
# [15:59] * Joins: mjschranz_ (mjschranz@F1451709.44D93D66.1139E686.IP)
# [15:59] * Quits: c0smikdebris (c0smikdebr@F8E893F9.CADDDC1.D2D1FAF0.IP) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
# [16:00] * Quits: mjschranz_ (mjschranz@F1451709.44D93D66.1139E686.IP) (Client exited)
# [16:00] * Quits: mjschranz (mjschranz@A71CC449.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [16:01] * Joins: mib_injihv (Mibbit@FE4B77E3.1E98AF39.79C24D08.IP)
# [16:01] * Joins: mjschranz (mjschranz@F1451709.44D93D66.1139E686.IP)
# [16:01] * Quits: mib_injihv (Mibbit@FE4B77E3.1E98AF39.79C24D08.IP) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
# [16:02] * Quits: pranavrc (pranavrc@C4939F71.9EDE08CF.C28326FD.IP) (Quit: Ping timeout: ∞)
# [16:02] * mrbkap notes that those two things are mutually independant.
# [16:03] * armenzg is now known as armenzg_brb
# [16:03] <glazou> yeah
# [16:03] * Joins: jimm (jmathies@moz-7F164CA1.pn.at.cox.net)
# [16:03] * Joins: Boriss (FlyingToas@moz-10902A55.telecom.net.ar)
# [16:03] <glazou> but editor consumes a lot of time
# [16:03] * Quits: enda (chatzilla@4EC9BEF8.679532CF.2500F951.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [16:03] <glazou> so you can rarely do editor and something else
# [16:04] * Joins: mdas (mdas@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
# [16:04] * Joins: enda (chatzilla@4EC9BEF8.679532CF.2500F951.IP)
# [16:04] * Quits: harsh (Mibbit@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
# [16:05] * Quits: vikash_ (vikash@DABACF8B.9B552DFD.5D9ABA9F.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [16:05] * Joins: Pike (Pike@moz-E31CD2CB.mozilla.org)
# [16:05] * Joins: Wes (chatzilla@moz-BEF0C255.page.ca)
# [16:06] * Quits: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@moz-20EF8EAA.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Input/output error)
# [16:06] * Quits: davehunt|away (davehunt@moz-E2929564.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) (Client exited)
# [16:07] * Quits: armenzg_brb (armenzg@2E5B7F44.5BCEC6DB.DA78B690.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [16:08] * Joins: Joeh (joe@5A3923AA.BC22908.C7CEC4ED.IP)
# [16:08] * Joins: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
# [16:09] * Joins: davehunt (davehunt@moz-E2929564.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk)
# [16:09] * Quits: mkaply (Earlybird@moz-92EDDD02.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) (Client exited)
# [16:10] * Quits: davehunt (davehunt@moz-E2929564.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) (Client exited)
# [16:10] * Joins: mkaply (Earlybird@moz-92EDDD02.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net)
# [16:10] * rail_away is now known as rail
# [16:11] * Joins: davehunt (davehunt@moz-E2929564.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk)
# [16:11] * Quits: enda (chatzilla@4EC9BEF8.679532CF.2500F951.IP) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643])
# [16:13] * Quits: supreet (quassel@F8651007.CCFB0DCE.DF11F364.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [16:13] * Quits: ewong|sleep (chatzilla@F536648C.E5F17347.51F738FB.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [16:13] * Joins: dseif (dseif@C080F02E.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP)
# [16:13] * Quits: mjschranz (mjschranz@F1451709.44D93D66.1139E686.IP) (Client exited)
# [16:13] * bz_dinner is now known as bz
# [16:14] * Joins: mjschranz (mjschranz@F1451709.44D93D66.1139E686.IP)
# [16:14] * Joins: madhava (madhava@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
# [16:14] * Joins: ewong|sleep (chatzilla@F536648C.E5F17347.51F738FB.IP)
# [16:14] * Quits: mjschranz (mjschranz@F1451709.44D93D66.1139E686.IP) (Client exited)
# [16:14] * bwinton_away is now known as bwinton
# [16:16] * Joins: garnacho_ (carlos@moz-95A0FF70.red-83-51-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net)
# [16:17] * Joins: re588 (RE@E9A639C3.E46D361A.8F339A2F.IP)
# [16:17] <louisremi> roc: I'm interested in your opinion regarding this improvement to CSS Transforms interpolation: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Apr/0092.html
# [16:17] * Joins: mjschranz (mjschranz@A71CC449.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP)
# [16:18] * Quits: Mnyromyr (MnyroWork@moz-E2E3FF3D.tal.de) (Input/output error)
# [16:18] * philor|away is now known as philor
# [16:18] * Quits: Mardak (Mardak@moz-4FA48382.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Mardak)
# [16:18] * Joins: stefanh (stefanh@moz-3EED0162.customers.ownit.se)
# [16:19] * Joins: jdm (jdm@moz-9AEDE212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [16:19] <kaze> glazou: I'm afraid I switched to mobile, unfortunately
# [16:20] <kaze> mrbkap: I still hope I'll do some editor back-end from time to time, as I see a lot of easy-to-fix-bugs in my bugmail these days
# [16:20] * Joins: vikash_ (vikash@7DDAF549.9B552DFD.5D9ABA9F.IP)
# [16:20] * Quits: garnacho_ (carlos@moz-95A0FF70.red-83-51-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) (Ping timeout)
# [16:20] <sheppy> I use the editor a lot, so I'm very eager to see bugs fixed. :)
# [16:20] <sheppy> I practically spend my entire day in it.
# [16:22] <KaiRo> hmm, there we go, hiring one of the best editor folks we know in kaze, and then we make him work on non-editor stuff so much that he says he's not even a peer for it
# [16:22] <sheppy> Argh!
# [16:22] <@bz> louisremi: you should probably ping dbaron about that, not roc
# [16:23] <glazou> sheppy: as a user you mean?
# [16:23] <louisremi> bz: ok thanks.
# [16:23] <sheppy> glazou: yes
# [16:23] <@bz> louisremi: also, it's 2:176am where roc is now
# [16:23] <@bz> louisremi: I'll bet money he's asleep
# [16:23] <@bz> er, 2:16am
# [16:24] <sheppy> glazou: since I write pretty much all day, right in the browser, bugs and deficiencies in the editor affect me. :)
# [16:24] <sheppy> A lot.
# [16:24] <glazou> sheppy: sure thing
# [16:24] * Joins: beaufour (beaufour@18D5CC88.C7EE4FB2.ECED8BE3.IP)
# [16:24] * Joins: mcot (mcot@C4B02.F3C4E8F3.C8444B8.IP)
# [16:25] <glazou> sheppy: but please note some bugs you may qualify as "editor" really come from "selection/caret"
# [16:25] * Joins: ehsan (ehsan@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
# [16:25] * ChanServ sets mode: +o ehsan
# [16:25] <sheppy> glazou: yeah
# [16:25] <louisremi> bz: sorry, I thought platform developers never slept.
# [16:25] <@bz> louisremi: heh
# [16:25] <glazou> on the editor's side, the most painful ones are (a) invalid nested lists (b) <pre> creating <br> instead of CRs (c) trailing <br>s
# [16:26] <glazou> I'm on (b) right now
# [16:26] <sheppy> nice
# [16:26] <KaiRo> glazou: I'm still pretty unhappy that in developer tools we ended up importing orion instead of improving our own editor far enough that it can do what we need easily enough :(
# [16:26] <glazou> KaiRo: "our own editor" has no meta-parser bultin..
# [16:26] * nigel_no_longer_bot_b is now known as nigelb
# [16:27] <KaiRo> and Thunderbird is thinking about importing FCKEditor to replace our own stuff :(
# [16:27] <glazou> well
# [16:27] <sheppy> FCKEditor wraps around our editor though. :)
# [16:27] <ddahl> KaiRo: the decision was do we want to ship something this decade, hence Orion
# [16:27] <glazou> all editors of that kind raise I18N issues
# [16:27] * mcote|afk is now known as mcote
# [16:27] <glob> back
# [16:27] <KaiRo> glazou: sure, would be nice a parser/highlighter could be plugged into our editor easily enough, for example
# [16:27] <glazou> ddahl: perfectly understood, bluegriffon uses codemirror for same reason
# [16:28] * Joins: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
# [16:28] * coop|buildduty is now known as coop|afk
# [16:28] <KaiRo> ddahl: well, I understand that, but we are constantly papering over shortcomings in editor instead of paying developers to actually work on it
# [16:28] <glob> jfkthame, while there was an update today, the request queue wasn't touched
# [16:28] <glazou> KaiRo: that's not recent...
# [16:28] <reuben> ugh, the canvas-based editor on appmanifest.org is pretty, but you can't even copy text off it :/
# [16:28] <reuben> not the best decision
# [16:29] <KaiRo> ddahl: and next to that, given all the code that orion has to deal with other browsers, we imported quite a bit of "dead" code as well
# [16:29] <glazou> reuben: canvas-based was Bespin's original direction
# [16:29] <ddahl> glazou, KaiRo: I know the devtools guys had several discussions with ehsan about it
# [16:29] <KaiRo> glazou: I didn't say "recent", I said "constantly"
# [16:29] <ddahl> KaiRo: yeah, that sucks
# [16:29] <glazou> :)
# [16:30] <mkaply> KaiRo: that's because once an HTML editor was removed from the browser, it moved down the totem pole.
# [16:30] <glazou> times change ; not too long ago, developer tools were almost abandoned
# [16:30] <glazou> see now ?
# [16:30] <kaze> glazou: +1, a lot of so-called "editor bugs" are layout bugs (caret)
# [16:30] <mkaply> KaiRo: I had these same discussion years and years ago when we were doing midas
# [16:30] <glazou> I remember that
# [16:30] <kaze> glazou: and decent <pre> blocks would be good to see!
# [16:30] <mkaply> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Midas
# [16:30] <jfkthame> glob: it's strange…. what's happened is that several times today (but not every time), i've loaded the request queue and - in addition to correctly showing review requests - it has listed several approval requests that were dealt with a few days ago
# [16:31] <glazou> mkaply: I still remember I am the one who found the Midas name...
# [16:31] <KaiRo> ddahl: still, I don't want to paint devtools negatively, of course, but I feel that in a world where we now try to tell people how editable the web is, it's questionable to neglect the editor component in investment for so long
# [16:31] <sheppy> KaiRo: agreed
# [16:31] <mkaply> We lost a lot of the core people. Kathy Brade comes to mind
# [16:31] * Quits: gandalf (zbraniecki@moz-3366040B.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
# [16:31] <jfkthame> glob: are you aware of any weirdness like that? should i file a bug on it? (although i can't reliably reproduce)
# [16:31] <KaiRo> mkaply: I have been leading the SeaMonkey project for 5 years, I know the HTML editor story pretty well ;-)
# [16:32] <ddahl> KaiRo: i know. I spent many hours building an app at my last gig with an editor - it sucked
# [16:32] <glazou> KaiRo: so why "Midas" ? ;-)
# [16:32] * gregglind_afk is now known as gregglind
# [16:32] <KaiRo> actually, that's probably wrong English, as it implies I'd still lead it which I don't
# [16:32] <mkaply> KaiRo: So would you say that because there's no editor as a truly exposed feature in Firefox, it get's less exposure (It's there in thunderbird, but I would argue not as important).
# [16:33] <KaiRo> mkaply: there's editor exposed in many areas in Firefox and in the web - from textboxes via devtools to contentEditable
# [16:33] <glazou> ann <iinput> fields ?
# [16:33] <mkaply> KaiRo: So then why isn't it getting any love?
# [16:33] <sheppy> Yeah, my problems are in contentEditable.
# [16:34] <glazou> sheppy: sure they are
# [16:34] <sheppy> It works but has so many weird glitches that crop up from time to time that it gets frustrating.
# [16:34] <mkaply> Stop new features and fix what we already have :)
# [16:34] <KaiRo> mkaply: it's just that many people probably don't want to think about that as "editor" so much because they have "editor" == "the bad old boring Composer that we so rightfully threw out the window" in their heads
# [16:34] <sheppy> :)
# [16:35] <glob> jfkthame, you're the first to report any oddness; i guess you could file a bug, but that does sound like a hard one to diagnose :(
# [16:35] <glazou> well..
# [16:35] <glazou> I have to tell you a story about our "lame" editor
# [16:35] <glazou> another member of the editor team was kin blas
# [16:35] <glazou> left to macromedoa when netscape collapsed
# [16:35] <glazou> ended up in Dreamweaver team with manager ex-netscape Crhis Saari
# [16:36] <KaiRo> glazou: I know a lot of stories about it, and I even disagree that it's lame or boring or that we threw it out rightfully, but that's the general sentiment I hear everywhere
# [16:36] <glazou> saari pinged me once to tell me "now I've seen DW's internals, I understand why you said our editor is a jewel"
# [16:36] <KaiRo> lol
# [16:36] <davidb> :)
# [16:36] <sheppy> KaiRo: it's not so much that it's lame or bad, it's just glitchy and doesn't get any love to fix the glitches.
# [16:36] * bear-afk is now known as bear
# [16:36] <sheppy> Its performance also is not very good, especially on larger or more complicated content (like large tables).
# [16:37] <KaiRo> well, I always was sure that Dreamweaver and Frontpage must be sucky compared to ours, as we still produced easier and nicer to work with stuff
# [16:37] * Joins: armenzg (armenzg@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
# [16:37] <glazou> DW's problem is that it has grown in circles
# [16:37] <glazou> unmaintainable any more, as some adobe person told me
# [16:37] <KaiRo> sheppy: we had such problems, both glitches and perf, in all kinds of other components, and we invested into them and now they are much better
# [16:37] <sheppy> KaiRo: yes, but not in the editor, at least not yet.
# [16:38] <KaiRo> exactly
# [16:38] <sheppy> And we need to do that.
# [16:38] <KaiRo> fully with you on that
# [16:38] <glazou> sheppy: can you believe the code of the editor is almost unchanged since 2003... what can you expect without people paid to work on it ?
# [16:38] <sheppy> glazou: agreed; and that needs to change.
# [16:38] <glazou> send my name to HR ? :-)
# [16:38] <sheppy> Especially if we're trying to encourage creation of web apps, which are going to need decent editor support.
# [16:38] <jfkthame> glob: i guess i'll file something if it happens again, otherwise pretend i didn't notice it
# [16:38] <KaiRo> well, maybe we need to rewrite it once we have rewritten Gecko
# [16:39] <KaiRo> and this is not a joke
# [16:39] <glazou> KaiRo: that would require probably a year of work
# [16:39] * Joins: gandalf (zbraniecki@moz-3366040B.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
# [16:39] <glandium> kaze was doing editor work recently, but he now works on b2g
# [16:39] <KaiRo> glazou: I expect the gecko, or better rendering engine, rewrite to take more than a year
# [16:39] <KaiRo> glandium: that's what I was complaining about earlier on ;-)
# [16:40] * Quits: RemusPop (remuspop@601F3B17.33662590.A5830293.IP) (Client exited)
# [16:40] <sheppy> we need someone to spend some serious time really digging into the editor and improving it. sigh.
# [16:40] <KaiRo> not that I think B2G would be less important, though
# [16:40] <glazou> sheppy: maybe I should send my resume :-D
# [16:41] <KaiRo> sheppy: agreed, but editor is not seen as sexy in management, I guess, and it's also not obvious on how it would improve our overall picture
# [16:41] <mkaply> Well if we're bringing an outside editor anyway, we could use webkit :)
# [16:41] * armenzg is now known as armenzg_mtg
# [16:41] * joduinn-home is now known as joduinn-commute
# [16:41] * Joins: supreet (quassel@F8651007.CCFB0DCE.DF11F364.IP)
# [16:41] <glazou> mkaply: too-big-troll alert
# [16:41] <mkaply> glazou: ha
# [16:41] <KaiRo> mkaply: I don't think their editor would be too much better than ours - I don't trust code written at Google or Apple too much
# [16:42] <KaiRo> and yes, I know it was a joke
# [16:42] <glazou> I tested all implementations of contenteditable in all browsers
# [16:42] * Quits: gandalf (zbraniecki@moz-3366040B.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
# [16:42] <glazou> all are plagued by severe bugs
# [16:42] <glazou> different across browsers but all severe
# [16:42] * catlee-away is now known as catlee
# [16:43] <glazou> and that's normal
# [16:43] <sheppy> Sad.
# [16:43] <sheppy> Very sad.
# [16:43] <glazou> there is no spec for "what happens when you press CR twice at the end of a list item"
# [16:43] * Joins: jhopkins_ (jhopkins@moz-216F9986.tb.shawcable.net)
# [16:43] <glazou> maybe I should write it
# [16:43] <mkaply> glazou: that's actually not a bad idea. There really is a missinc spec here
# [16:44] <glazou> yes I know
# [16:44] <glandium> i think at the moment, more than an editor, we need a tool to create web apps
# [16:44] <mkaply> Then there's the simple stuff too. Like when you insert a table and it's impossible to place the cursor before or after the table.
# [16:44] * Quits: jhopkins (jhopkins@moz-216F9986.tb.shawcable.net) (Ping timeout)
# [16:44] <glazou> so all implementations did their best guess at that, and when I say "they did" it's usually one engineer without control
# [16:45] <sheppy> mkaply: OMG yes; that drives me freaking crazy.
# [16:45] * Joins: catalinb (ethereal@moz-7443FA19.eregie.pub.ro)
# [16:45] <glazou> mkaply: right ; because inserting a table in wysiwyg is not enough ; you need to insert a blank line after it !
# [16:45] * Quits: dseif (dseif@C080F02E.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP) (Input/output error)
# [16:45] <sheppy> And it can be tricky to copy and paste parts or all of a table; sometimes you don't get the right parts, or you paste a few rows you copied and it all comes out on one row instead, stuff like that.
# [16:46] * jhford-work-away is now known as jhford-work
# [16:46] <mkaply> But this is a standard issue in all development. Build new versus fix old.
# [16:46] <mkaply> And right now all the focus is on build new.
# [16:46] <glazou> sheppy: this is different issue caused by the model of tables in html
# [16:46] * Quits: catalinb (ethereal@moz-7443FA19.eregie.pub.ro) (Ping timeout)
# [16:46] <mkaply> And all the people that even understand the old stuff have drifted away
# [16:46] <sheppy> mkaply: agreed
# [16:47] <robcee> we considered using the gecko editor but felt it wasn't quite ready for prime-time
# [16:47] <mkaply> except glazou :)
# [16:47] <glazou> mkaply: nope, I'm still here, but a bit busy :)
# [16:47] <glazou> right
# [16:47] * Quits: anky_ (anky@CB606F70.6C91B022.A3D1B221.IP) (Quit: Leaving...)
# [16:47] <glazou> robcee: using it for... ?
# [16:47] * Joins: kaie2 (kaie@moz-6B58B3D2.dip.t-dialin.net)
# [16:47] <robcee> the source editor for the developer tools
# [16:48] <glazou> ok
# [16:48] <mkaply> Not ready for primetime? But it's shipped since the very beginning. That's a very sad statement.
# [16:48] <glazou> so you speak of the plaintext editor
# [16:48] * Quits: kaie (kaie@moz-D39A87C4.dip.t-dialin.net) (Ping timeout)
# [16:48] * kaie2 is now known as kaie
# [16:48] <glazou> mkaply: he's right
# [16:48] <glazou> no syntax highlight easily possible
# [16:48] <glazou> no workers-based
# [16:48] <glazou> not extensible easily
# [16:48] <glazou> he's right
# [16:48] * Joins: dseif (dseif@C080F02E.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP)
# [16:48] * nical|away is now known as nical
# [16:49] <glazou> BUT there is one point where the editor is the best available...
# [16:49] <glazou> I18N
# [16:49] * glazou waves at smagnin
# [16:49] <glazou> er
# [16:49] <robcee> "primetime" was a bit of an over-simplification. I really meant "for our purposes".
# [16:49] * glazou waves at smontagu
# [16:49] <glazou> robcee: understood perfectly
# [16:49] <robcee> but yes. We certainly considered building a code-editor on top of it.
# [16:50] <glazou> I did one
# [16:50] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [16:51] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [16:51] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [16:51] <glazou> robcee: see entries in http://www.glazman.org/weblog/dotclear/index.php?q=diavolo
# [16:53] * Quits: glob (glob@moz-DF237567.glob.com.au) (Quit: Leaving...)
# [16:53] * Joins: glob (glob@moz-DF237567.glob.com.au)
# [16:53] <Ms2ger> glazou, isn't "what happens when you press CR twice at the end of a list item" answered in AryehGregor's spec?
# [16:54] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [16:54] <glazou> which one ? :-D
# [16:54] <Ms2ger> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/editing/raw-file/tip/editing.html#the-insertparagraph-command ?
# [16:55] * Quits: johanc (chatzilla@moz-D8A1AA43.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout)
# [16:55] * Joins: lmandel (lmandel@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
# [16:56] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [16:56] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [16:56] * Joins: JonathanS (JonathanS@17EDFC35.8737F162.521902B0.IP)
# [16:57] <Ms2ger> "Including dt/dd here follows Firefox 5.0a2"
# [16:57] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [16:57] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
# [16:58] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [16:58] * Quits: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [16:59] <glazou> Ms2ger: yeah, that document has a lot, relly a lot of good things
# [16:59] <glazou> but not all of them
# [16:59] * Quits: mconley (mconley@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [16:59] <glazou> for instance, the table insertion case
# [16:59] <glazou> if you insert the table alone, placing the caret after it is difficult
# [16:59] <Ms2ger> Well, no, HTML5 is the only spec that can have *all* the good things :)
# [17:00] * wlach|afk is now known as wlach
# [17:00] <glazou> I dispute that from time to time, you know ;-)
# [17:00] * Joins: mconley (mconley@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
# [17:00] <Ms2ger> Also, I'm happy to know very little about editor :)
# [17:00] * Joins: johanc (chatzilla@moz-D8A1AA43.bredband.comhem.se)
# [17:01] * padenot|away is now known as padenot
# [17:01] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [17:01] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [17:01] * Joins: catalinb (ethereal@C504E99C.9F328403.5BC07656.IP)
# [17:02] * Joins: nhirata (nhirata.bu@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [17:03] <mkaply> glazou: look at this 7 year old editor bug getting fixed - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317093
# [17:03] * Joins: kumar (kmcmillan@moz-F2D05B8.c3-0.stk-ubr1.chi-stk.il.cable.rcn.com)
# [17:03] * Joins: fxa90id (fxa90id@moz-83BBC510.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
# [17:03] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [17:05] * Quits: bjacob (bjacob@moz-ADCA75DC.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Ping timeout)
# [17:05] <glazou> mkaply: well
# [17:05] <glazou> b and strong are different
# [17:05] <glazou> should the B button apply to both ?
# [17:05] <glazou> why do you think bluegriffon has a B and a !! buttons ?
# [17:06] * Joins: Mardak (Mardak@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [17:06] * davehunt is now known as davehunt|away
# [17:08] <mkaply> glazou: jump in :)
# [17:08] * ted2 wonders how many other people complaining about the java blocklist actually *need* the old version of java
# [17:08] <ted2> vs. how many just think they do
# [17:08] * @bz thinks the B button should apply both
# [17:08] <@bz> just for kicks
# [17:08] <@bz> ted2: probably quite a number
# [17:09] * Quits: Cwiiis (cwiiis@40018561.F684631.21A4E96A.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [17:09] <ted2> yeah?
# [17:09] <@bz> ted2: apparently, "write once, run on only one version" is common in the intranet Java space
# [17:09] <ted2> nice
# [17:09] <ted2> we should figure out how to block java from the internet
# [17:09] <ted2> if people want to use it on their intranet, fine
# [17:09] <ted2> but it's just a gaping hole on the internet
# [17:10] * Joins: coyotebush (corey@moz-4E046E7E.cabrillo.reshall.calpoly.edu)
# [17:10] <@bz> ted2: yeah, if we could tell intranets and internet apart, that would be awesome
# [17:10] <@bz> ted2: we need it for other things too
# [17:11] <ted2> although from the comments on the bug, danish banks require java :-(
# [17:11] <mkaply> ted2: in enterprises, it's apparently a big issue. Apps tied to older versions of java.
# [17:11] <ted2> it's horrifying
# [17:11] <ted2> i would bet people don't use a special intranet browser
# [17:12] <mkaply> ted2: Well Sun screwed that up. Claiming a write once run anywhere language and then not actually doing that.
# [17:12] <ted2> true
# [17:12] <ted2> and their update story sucks
# [17:12] <ted2> they have an updater, but nobody is up-to-date
# [17:13] <@khuey> that sounds familiar :-P
# [17:13] <ted2> true!
# [17:13] <KaiRo> ted2: I've known of Java application that actually would run fine in newer updates but have checks in them to exit with a warning if they don't run on a specific patch level release that has been signed off by the company
# [17:13] <mkaply> and when you throw on top of that the fact that they designed different Java VMs to coexist (including allowing specifying a specific Java version in a plugin/applet tag) you have chaos
# [17:13] <ted2> just another symptom of third-party software that gets loaded in your process being horrible
# [17:14] <KaiRo> so true
# [17:14] * KaiRo would love us to completely deny any loading of third-party software (but also knows that's impossible to get done)
# [17:14] * Quits: paolo (paolo@moz-FCECBC2B.retail.telecomitalia.it) (Ping timeout)
# [17:15] * Joins: NhanTDN (human_torc@DABF93C9.319B7742.85184009.IP)
# [17:15] * jhopkins_ is now known as jhopkins
# [17:15] <KaiRo> thrid-party binary software, that is. I'm OK with XUL+JS add-ons
# [17:15] <jdm> jlebar: unfinished sentence in your comment in bug 741540?
# [17:16] <jlebar> jdm, Thanks.
# [17:17] * Joins: paolo (paolo@moz-FCECBC2B.retail.telecomitalia.it)
# [17:17] * Joins: askalski (akuda@moz-6A36EC49.ip.abpl.pl)
# [17:18] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [17:18] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [17:19] * Quits: nli (nli@F803B951.C9260D23.51315CC9.IP) (Quit: nli)
# [17:19] * Joins: Cwiiis (cwiiis@40018561.F684631.21A4E96A.IP)
# [17:19] * Joins: smya (chatzilla@91BC8839.F442218F.88FACCAA.IP)
# [17:20] * Joins: hub (hub@moz-E2FCA694.figuiere.net)
# [17:20] * padenot is now known as padenot|away
# [17:20] * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen
# [17:21] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [17:22] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [17:22] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [17:23] * Joins: kanru` (user@moz-A42CA4A4.dynamic.hinet.net)
# [17:24] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [17:24] * Joins: bbondy (bbondy@moz-28CF6D1C.home.cgocable.net)
# [17:24] * Quits: jhorak (jhorak@moz-107AD163.redhat.com) (Client exited)
# [17:25] * Joins: dveditz (dveditz@moz-34991AF4.dhcp.cruzio.com)
# [17:25] * ChanServ sets mode: +o dveditz
# [17:25] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [17:25] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [17:26] * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away
# [17:27] * Joins: Optimizer (Mibbit@6BCF5DE2.2E81CE6D.89AC0F27.IP)
# [17:27] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [17:27] * Quits: maikmerten (merten@moz-E254386D.cs.uni-dortmund.de) (Client exited)
# [17:28] * Joins: Enn (enn@moz-DB6467E3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [17:28] * Joins: victorporof (victorporo@40A61E2F.70F4578F.79933D60.IP)
# [17:29] * Quits: Mark_Capella (chatzilla@moz-DD0C7E4F.twcny.res.rr.com) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 13.0a2/20120402042010])
# [17:29] * Joins: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP)
# [17:29] * Parts: Optimizer (Mibbit@6BCF5DE2.2E81CE6D.89AC0F27.IP)
# [17:29] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [17:29] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [17:31] * Joins: automata (automata@8D23278A.C27CA109.16867D26.IP)
# [17:31] * Joins: knelson (Adium@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [17:32] * Quits: ibarlow (ibarlow@moz-D5CDF301.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Quit: ibarlow)
# [17:32] * Parts: knelson (Adium@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [17:33] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [17:34] * Joins: Mark_Capella (chatzilla@moz-DD0C7E4F.twcny.res.rr.com)
# [17:37] * Quits: fabrice (fabrice@moz-104CC309.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [17:38] * Joins: jhammel (jhammel@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [17:38] * Joins: cviecco_ (cviecco@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [17:39] * Quits: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [17:41] * Joins: necolas (necolas@moz-20AA4BAE.bb.sky.com)
# [17:41] * Quits: Cwiiis (cwiiis@40018561.F684631.21A4E96A.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [17:42] * Joins: bdahl (bdahl@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [17:42] * Quits: smya (chatzilla@91BC8839.F442218F.88FACCAA.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [17:43] * Quits: mjschranz (mjschranz@A71CC449.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP) (Client exited)
# [17:43] <@bz> ma
# [17:43] <@bz> er, man
# [17:43] * mdas is now known as mdas|lunch
# [17:43] <@bz> writing chrome tests is such a huge PITA. :(
# [17:43] * Joins: pranavrc (pranavrc@A5728371.5B86C286.C28326FD.IP)
# [17:44] * Quits: bc (bc@454BDC37.1D5E8529.AC69809B.IP) (Quit: leaving)
# [17:44] <NeilAway> $bz =~ s/chrome //;
# [17:44] * Joins: mjschranz (mjschranz@F1451709.44D93D66.1139E686.IP)
# [17:44] * Quits: supreet (quassel@F8651007.CCFB0DCE.DF11F364.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [17:45] <@bz> no
# [17:45] <@bz> writing your typical mochitest or reftest is fine
# [17:45] <@bz> but writing a chrome test is like a constant reminder of how completely busted the harness is
# [17:46] * Quits: dseif (dseif@C080F02E.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP) (Input/output error)
# [17:46] * Joins: jduell (jduell@moz-2D9EDA98.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net)
# [17:47] * Joins: dseif (dseif@C080F02E.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP)
# [17:47] * Quits: mjschranz (mjschranz@F1451709.44D93D66.1139E686.IP) (Client exited)
# [17:48] * Joins: bent (chatzilla@moz-C3562645.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [17:48] * bwinton is now known as bwinton_away
# [17:49] * Joins: bc (bc@454BDC37.1D5E8529.AC69809B.IP)
# [17:49] * Quits: dseif (dseif@C080F02E.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [17:49] * bwinton_away is now known as bwinton
# [17:49] * Quits: bwinton (bwinton@moz-B77DEAEB.mozilla.org) (Connection reset by peer)
# [17:49] * Joins: cadecairos (cadecairos@F1451709.44D93D66.1139E686.IP)
# [17:51] <@bz> it's like the harness is designed around the concept "hard things should be possible and all things should be very difficult"
# [17:51] * Joins: biesi (cbiesinger@moz-5EE692A7.ca.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
# [17:52] * @bz is not bitter, not at all
# [17:52] * Quits: michal (michal@F8B4DDD2.FC749DA6.F23860FD.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [17:52] * Quits: bbondy (bbondy@moz-28CF6D1C.home.cgocable.net) (Ping timeout)
# [17:52] * armenzg_mtg is now known as armenzg_lunch
# [17:52] * sheppy is now known as sheppy-lunch
# [17:52] <Yoric> remote: /repo/hg/scripts/purgeurl: line 7: /tmp/pushlog_purge.1541: Permission denied
# [17:53] <Yoric> That doesn't sound good.
# [17:53] * Joins: bwinton_away (bwinton@moz-B77DEAEB.mozilla.org)
# [17:54] * Joins: mccr8 (mccr8@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [17:54] * bwinton_away is now known as bwinton
# [17:54] <bhearsum> Yoric: it's ignorable
# [17:54] <Yoric> ok
# [17:54] <Yoric> Thanks.
# [17:55] * lsblakk|afk is now known as lsblakk
# [17:55] <bhearsum> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739940
# [17:55] <bhearsum> np
# [17:55] <Ms2ger> ehsan, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/editor/composer/src/nsComposerCommands.cpp?mark=391-394#377
# [17:55] <@bz> Anyone know how I can get back to having an Xray after I get something through a wrappedJSObject?
# [17:55] <Ms2ger> You?
# [17:56] * Quits: jacek (jacek@moz-5D707D3B.psi.wroc.pl) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
# [17:56] * Joins: Cwiiis (cwiiis@40018561.F684631.21A4E96A.IP)
# [17:57] * Joins: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP)
# [17:58] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [17:58] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [17:59] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
# [17:59] * Joins: mjschranz (mjschranz@F1451709.44D93D66.1139E686.IP)
# [18:00] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [18:00] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [18:00] * Joins: hvq (HVQ@5122728C.E2166CF0.428E23B0.IP)
# [18:01] * Joins: smya (chatzilla@91BC8839.F442218F.88FACCAA.IP)
# [18:01] * Quits: hvq (HVQ@5122728C.E2166CF0.428E23B0.IP) (Quit: Instantbird 1.1)
# [18:01] * Joins: hvq (HVQ@5122728C.E2166CF0.428E23B0.IP)
# [18:02] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:03] * Joins: jorendorff (jorendorff@moz-1747FB68.hsd1.tn.comcast.net)
# [18:04] * Quits: smya (chatzilla@91BC8839.F442218F.88FACCAA.IP) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 13.0a1/20120303192654])
# [18:04] * Quits: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:04] * Joins: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP)
# [18:05] * Quits: Bas (chatzilla@moz-DF3CA35A.ftth.concepts.nl) (Ping timeout)
# [18:05] * Quits: cviecco_ (cviecco@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Input/output error)
# [18:06] * Quits: JeroenDeDauw (j@moz-9355DBC.dip.t-dialin.net) (Ping timeout)
# [18:06] * Joins: cviecco_ (cviecco@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [18:06] * Joins: Sander (chatzilla@moz-B871F4D3.direct-adsl.nl)
# [18:07] * Joins: squib (squib-@moz-415BAA34.engr.wisc.edu)
# [18:07] * Joins: JeroenDeDauw (j@moz-A7939EAB.dip.t-dialin.net)
# [18:07] * Quits: cviecco_ (cviecco@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [18:08] * Joins: cviecco_ (cviecco@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [18:08] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: nice!
# [18:08] * Joins: michal (michal@18728636.D0F82CD8.32697916.IP)
# [18:08] * Quits: florian (Instantbir@moz-87C33FDA.kimsufi.com) (Ping timeout)
# [18:08] * Quits: JeroenDeDauw (j@moz-A7939EAB.dip.t-dialin.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [18:08] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: fix it ;)
# [18:08] * Joins: JeroenDeDauw (j@moz-A7939EAB.dip.t-dialin.net)
# [18:09] * Joins: sheppy (sheppy@moz-FD5E5D00.static.kgpt.tn.charter.com)
# [18:09] * Joins: jviereck (Adium@moz-3A2E2122.dip.t-dialin.net)
# [18:10] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: did you mean to move bug 741540 to XSLT?
# [18:10] * joduinn-commute is now known as joduinn
# [18:10] <jlebar> bsmedberg, No, thanks.
# [18:10] * davehunt|away is now known as davehunt|mtg
# [18:11] <jviereck> can someone tell me how an nsHTMLCanvasElement is actually painted to the output/browser window? I know about the context implementation and such, but I can't find the "draw the canvas element" at this position code
# [18:11] * Joins: mconley_ (mconley@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
# [18:11] * Quits: mconley (mconley@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:12] <sheppy> jviereck: the render fairies do it.
# [18:12] * Quits: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:12] <@khuey> jviereck: nsHTMLCanvasFrame.cpp
# [18:12] * Joins: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP)
# [18:12] <@bz> jviereck: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/generic/nsHTMLCanvasFrame.cpp#103
# [18:12] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [18:12] <@bz> jviereck: and whatever is involved in layer compositing?
# [18:13] * @bz is not quite sure what makes sure that the BuildLayer call happens, but bets a breakpoint might answer that question
# [18:14] * Joins: roc_ (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [18:14] * Quits: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:14] * Quits: @dveditz (dveditz@moz-34991AF4.dhcp.cruzio.com) (Quit: dveditz)
# [18:14] * Quits: Asa (asa@F259CFB7.9EF26CBA.EB5E51FC.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:14] * Quits: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:14] * roc_ is now known as roc
# [18:14] * Joins: fabrice (fabrice@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [18:15] * Joins: jviereck1 (Adium@moz-3A2E2122.dip.t-dialin.net)
# [18:16] * Joins: bbondy (bbondy@moz-E9264327.home.cgocable.net)
# [18:16] * Quits: jviereck (Adium@moz-3A2E2122.dip.t-dialin.net) (Ping timeout)
# [18:18] <jviereck1> bz: I think I found what I was looking for, thanks :)
# [18:18] <@bz> jviereck1: you're welcome
# [18:18] <@bz> jviereck1: sorry for the somewhat vagueness, btw; I don't know the painting stuff that well anymore. :(
# [18:18] * Joins: priya (Adium@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [18:19] <jviereck1> you still know way more then I do ;)
# [18:19] <@bz> well, fix that. ;)
# [18:19] * Joins: gakiwate (gautam@3AD1CBD5.809D2ACB.314AAB94.IP)
# [18:19] * ajuma is now known as ajuma|lunch
# [18:19] <glazou> Ms2ger: ping
# [18:19] * Quits: gakiwate (gautam@3AD1CBD5.809D2ACB.314AAB94.IP) (Quit: Leaving)
# [18:20] * Joins: gakiwate (gautam@3AD1CBD5.809D2ACB.314AAB94.IP)
# [18:20] * Quits: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:20] <glazou> or AryehGregor fwiw
# [18:21] * Ziggy|AWAY is now known as Ziggy_Maes
# [18:21] * rail is now known as rail-lunch
# [18:21] <jviereck1> bz, working hard on it
# [18:21] * Joins: anant (anant@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [18:21] * @khuey grumbles
# [18:21] <@khuey> I hate shoeboxed
# [18:21] * Quits: gmoro (guilherme@84484EC9.1F1093E8.D159334F.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:21] * Quits: hvq (HVQ@5122728C.E2166CF0.428E23B0.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:22] * Quits: Pike (Pike@moz-E31CD2CB.mozilla.org) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643])
# [18:23] * Joins: sicking (chatzilla@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [18:23] <@bz> jviereck1: indeed. ;)
# [18:23] * Quits: JeroenDeDauw (j@moz-A7939EAB.dip.t-dialin.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [18:23] <@bz> khuey: would you prefer dealing with paper receipts? ;)
# [18:23] * Joins: bmoss (bmoss@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [18:23] * Quits: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [18:23] * Joins: bholley (bholley@moz-FCAF9AAB.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [18:23] <@bz> khuey: if it were not for their braindead data-entry (esp. when exchange rates are concerned).....
# [18:23] * bear is now known as bear-afk
# [18:24] * Joins: bjacob (bjacob@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
# [18:24] * Quits: pascalc (chatzilla@moz-A2A3C9E6.vlan402.asr1.cdg3.gblx.net) (Input/output error)
# [18:24] * Joins: florian (Instantbir@moz-87C33FDA.kimsufi.com)
# [18:26] * Joins: mayhemer__ (Miranda@B3D46202.F87A741B.F23860FD.IP)
# [18:26] <KaiRo> jlebar: you are doing quite a bit of component moving in bug 742491 and bug bug 741540, I guess you should make sure they are in the right places (and I think you did some unassign as well)
# [18:26] <@khuey> bz: honestly I'm not sure
# [18:26] * Joins: gozala (gozala@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [18:26] * Joins: JeroenDeDauw (j@moz-A7939EAB.dip.t-dialin.net)
# [18:27] <jlebar> KaiRo, Bugzilla and I had a bit of a fight.
# [18:27] <jlebar> KaiRo, It won.
# [18:27] <jlebar> wtf?
# [18:27] * Joins: akeybl (akeybl@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [18:27] <jlebar> Maybe there's some (new?) hotkey for selecting the component field?
# [18:28] * Quits: sicking (chatzilla@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: Reconnecting…)
# [18:28] <glob> jlebar, nothing new there
# [18:28] * Joins: hvq (HVQ@moz-3BBB9F1C.dynip.nus.edu.sg)
# [18:28] * Quits: hvq (HVQ@moz-3BBB9F1C.dynip.nus.edu.sg) (Client exited)
# [18:28] * Joins: sicking (chatzilla@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [18:28] <KaiRo> jlebar: hmm, something changed for sure, as I've seen such component changes a couple of times, usually one down in the list or so
# [18:28] * stefanh is now known as stefanh|away
# [18:28] <jlebar> KaiRo, Well, it's good to know it's not just me...
# [18:28] <KaiRo> glob: at least people are more likely recently to change components without meaning it, and usually it's off-by-one in the list
# [18:29] <jlebar> Oh jeez, and when I change the component, I unassign myself by default.
# [18:29] <glob> KaiRo, weird... we haven't touched that for quite some time
# [18:29] * Joins: Mossop (mossop@moz-AF120492.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
# [18:29] <jlebar> Doing it once is one thing, but three times in two separate bug?
# [18:29] <glob> KaiRo, i know on some o/s's using the mouse wheel while over a select will cause it to change, which gets me sometimes
# [18:29] * campout is now known as dcamp
# [18:30] * Quits: lht (elihait@moz-722A94AD.dreamhost.com) (Quit: Ex-Chat)
# [18:30] * Joins: myk (Instantbir@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [18:31] <ted2> jlebar: i thiunk components just got hanged
# [18:31] <jlebar> ted2, ?
# [18:31] * Quits: gabor (gabor@moz-9735527E.pool.digikabel.hu) (Ping timeout)
# [18:31] <jlebar> oh, changed.
# [18:31] <ted2> Embedding: AcitveX Wraper and Embedding: GTK Widget both got nuked
# [18:31] <ted2> wonder if that upsets bugzilla somehow when you're trying to change a bug?
# [18:32] <@khuey> they deserved a good hanging
# [18:32] <ted2> hah
# [18:32] <ted2> appropriate typo
# [18:32] <Daeken> jlebar: so, i just had an idea...
# [18:32] <@bz> hanging embedding:Activex seems reasonable
# [18:32] * Joins: bsmith (bsmith@moz-6BB70391.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [18:32] <glob> ted2, oh, nice catch
# [18:32] <@bz> so do other forms of execution
# [18:32] <KaiRo> jlebar: well, make sure you check for this and maybe we catch the flow of how this happens - if we do, glob might know how we can improve to not make it happen unintentionally again :)
# [18:32] <jlebar> ted2, Well, that makes me feel much better about my ability to use this software. :)
# [18:32] <glob> ted2, it shouldn't, but, it's bugzilla..
# [18:32] * @khuey wonders if advocating violence against bugzilla components is permitted in the new code of conduct
# [18:32] <ted2> glob: i literally read those bugmails and jlebar's in series
# [18:33] * Joins: pascalc (chatzilla@moz-A2A3C9E6.vlan402.asr1.cdg3.gblx.net)
# [18:33] <jlebar> KaiRo, Check for what? Accidentally changing components every time I submit a bug comment?
# [18:33] <@bz> khuey: I did wonder that myself
# [18:33] <jlebar> Daeken, Uh oh. :)
# [18:33] <Daeken> jlebar: if we know that the first instruction in VirtualAlloc is no fewer than two bytes, we can do this: replace the first two bytes with EB FE, flush the cache, possibly wait a beat, then put in the trampoline
# [18:33] <KaiRo> hmm, actually, that might make sense, yes
# [18:33] <@bz> khuey: then decided that they're not people, and the CoC focuses on people
# [18:33] <ted2> glob: worth investigating
# [18:33] <KaiRo> jlebar: well, ted2 might have found a smoking gun anyhow
# [18:33] <jlebar> Daeken, One step ahead of you: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=c132e62bb097
# [18:33] <ted2> glob: bugzilla uses IDs internally, right?
# [18:33] <ted2> (for components)
# [18:33] * Joins: abwillis (abwillis@9877934.9DD4DBBF.6A7A197.IP)
# [18:33] <@khuey> bz: wfm
# [18:33] <@bz> And before someone starts an argument about whether the CoC allows advocating violence against 15-week-old fetuses...
# [18:33] <@bz> Don't
# [18:33] <KaiRo> jlebar: and yes, I meant checking for accidental change
# [18:33] * Quits: jviereck1 (Adium@moz-3A2E2122.dip.t-dialin.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [18:34] <Daeken> jlebar: haha, nice :D
# [18:34] <glob> ted2, no, that would be way too smart
# [18:34] <glob> ted2, it uses names, which is slightly better
# [18:34] <ted2> heh
# [18:34] <@bz> wait
# [18:34] <glob> ted2, well, name --> object, and then from there it's just working with the object
# [18:34] <@bz> so what happens when a component is renamed?
# [18:34] * Quits: fxa90id (fxa90id@moz-83BBC510.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Ping timeout)
# [18:34] <@bz> we walk a few tables doing UPDATEs?
# [18:34] <KaiRo> <option value="Data request" id="v1348_component" selected="selected">Data request</option>
# [18:35] <KaiRo> doesn't sound like HTML that would too easily fall over when the list of components changes
# [18:35] <ted2> yeah
# [18:35] <ted2> odd
# [18:35] <glob> bz, oh, sorry, the FKs are ids
# [18:35] * mdas|lunch is now known as mdas
# [18:35] <KaiRo> esp. as the id values sounds like actual DB IDs of the components
# [18:35] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [18:35] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [18:35] <Daeken> jlebar: wait, how does this prevent the issue where something could be executing in the middle of the patch?
# [18:35] <glob> bz, but generally for mapping from user facing UI to an object is done via the name
# [18:36] <@bz> ok
# [18:36] <jlebar> Daeken, So we're only patching one instruction, and substituting a two-byte nop with a two-byte jump.
# [18:36] * @bz goes back to his nice simple cycle collector issues
# [18:37] <davidb> jst: \o/
# [18:37] <davidb> congrats
# [18:37] * rail-lunch is now known as rail
# [18:38] <@bz> sicking: ping
# [18:38] * Joins: jgriffin (jgriffin@moz-4FBFA41D.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
# [18:39] * Quits: bjacob (bjacob@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:39] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:39] * Joins: faramarz (faramarz@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [18:39] * Joins: bjacob (bjacob@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
# [18:40] <glob> well, deleting a component does not trigger a component change when updating a bug
# [18:41] * Quits: Cwiiis (cwiiis@40018561.F684631.21A4E96A.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:41] <Daeken> jlebar: oh! missed that the long jump was above it. gotcha
# [18:41] * Joins: Cwiiis (cwiiis@40018561.F684631.21A4E96A.IP)
# [18:41] * Quits: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
# [18:41] * Joins: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
# [18:41] * Quits: stransky (stransky@moz-107AD163.redhat.com) (Quit: Connection reset by beer)
# [18:42] * Quits: mayhemer__ (Miranda@B3D46202.F87A741B.F23860FD.IP) (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org)
# [18:42] <ted2> BenWa: ping
# [18:43] * coop|afk is now known as coop|buildduty
# [18:43] <Daeken> jlebar: do we have enough space to do it the same way on x64?
# [18:44] <jlebar> Daeken, I have not tested, but I believe not.
# [18:44] * Joins: mayhemer__ (Miranda@B3D46202.F87A741B.F23860FD.IP)
# [18:44] * Quits: sheppy (sheppy@moz-FD5E5D00.static.kgpt.tn.charter.com) (Quit: Leaving)
# [18:44] <NeilAway> bz: XPCNativeWrapper(wrappedJSObject) ?
# [18:44] <@bz> NeilAway: ah, thanks
# [18:44] * fabrice is now known as fabrice|afk
# [18:45] <Daeken> jlebar: hmm, maybe my idea may still come in handy. i didn't think about trying to enforce synchronization before, but i can't see a reason why it wouldn't work perfectly.
# [18:45] * Quits: glazou (glazou@moz-204094DD.disruptive-innovations.fr) (Quit: glazou)
# [18:45] <jlebar> Daeken, Which idea in particular?
# [18:45] * NeilAway wonders (bug#?) why jlebar is patching VirtualAlloc
# [18:45] * Quits: jimb (user@moz-F4EC06CC.hsd1.or.comcast.net) (Ping timeout)
# [18:46] <sicking> mayhemer__: ping?
# [18:46] <jlebar> NeilAway, bug 741540, bug 742491
# [18:46] * Joins: jimb (user@moz-F4EC06CC.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
# [18:46] <Daeken> jlebar: basically, you insert an infinite loop at the beginning of the function, wait a moment, and then patch in the full instruction. what that does is allow you to enforce that either the code is outside the patch space (hence the wait) or that it's spinning at the very beginning.
# [18:46] * Quits: Yoric (Yoric@moz-A2A3C9E6.vlan402.asr1.cdg3.gblx.net) (Input/output error)
# [18:47] * Quits: biesi (cbiesinger@moz-5EE692A7.ca.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Ping timeout)
# [18:47] * Quits: Boriss (FlyingToas@moz-10902A55.telecom.net.ar) (Ping timeout)
# [18:47] * Joins: fabrice (fabrice@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [18:47] * Joins: kdeeq (chatzilla@moz-937443ED.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
# [18:48] <Daeken> that'll prevent you from ending up patching something while it's executing in the middle of your instruction.
# [18:48] * Joins: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP)
# [18:48] <jlebar> Daeken, You can do that only if the loop code is no larger than the first instruction in the function, right?
# [18:49] <@bz> NeilAway: because it's there?
# [18:49] <Daeken> yep, which is why i was wondering if the first instruction was always 2+ bytes
# [18:49] <NeilAway> bz: yeah, jlebar's bug#s weren't enlightening as to the requirement to hook VirtualAlloc
# [18:50] * Quits: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:51] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [18:51] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [18:51] <jlebar> NeilAway, Well, one of them mentioned "AvailableMemoryTracker", which could have been a hint...
# [18:51] * Joins: bonnie (bbsurender@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [18:51] <@bz> but more importantly
# [18:51] <jlebar> Daeken, On x86-32 it is. I don't know about x86-64. Might it be "push"?
# [18:51] <@bz> PATCH ALL THE FUNCTIONS
# [18:51] <@bz> MS put hooks there for a reason
# [18:51] <@bz> shame to have them go to waste. ;)
# [18:51] <@khuey> heh
# [18:52] <Daeken> jlebar: let me take a look at some binaries real quick
# [18:52] * @bz needs a faster computer
# [18:52] <@bz> then I'd finish builds faster and spend less time kibbitzing on irc..
# [18:52] * Quits: automata (automata@8D23278A.C27CA109.16867D26.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:53] * Joins: damons (gnubeard@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [18:53] * davehunt|mtg is now known as davehunt|away
# [18:53] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:53] * armenzg_lunch is now known as armenzg
# [18:54] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [18:54] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [18:54] * Joins: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP)
# [18:54] * Quits: pnemsak (Miranda@moz-BE85878E.citicom.sk) (Quit: pnemsak)
# [18:55] * philor is now known as philor|away
# [18:55] * Joins: roc_ (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [18:55] * Joins: jet (junglecode@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [18:55] * Joins: clee (clee@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [18:56] * Quits: sfink (chatzilla@moz-9B3B02C7.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) (Client exited)
# [18:56] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:56] <jfkthame> bz: iirc, you were looking at our hash functions recently…. in bug 710727, jdaggett is proposing to use zlib's adler32() to create a hash - just wondered if you know how that compares to our other options?
# [18:56] <@khuey> jlebar: ^
# [18:57] <jlebar> jfkthame, adler32 is probably fine.
# [18:57] <jlebar> jfkthame, We already have at least three general-purpose non-cryptographic hash functions in the tree.
# [18:57] <jlebar> What's one more?
# [18:57] * Quits: roc_ (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:57] * Joins: Asa (asa@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [18:58] * Joins: azakai (alon@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [18:58] * Joins: rniwa (rniwa@60A74940.D6CCE4AE.77834EAA.IP)
# [18:58] * Joins: Optimizer (Mibbit@6BCF5DE2.2E81CE6D.89AC0F27.IP)
# [18:58] <jfkthame> jlebar: ok - if you don't see any reason to prefer our HashBytes or whatever, then i don't really care
# [18:58] * Quits: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [18:59] <jlebar> jfkthame, I'm commenting in the bug, but yeah, so long as they're not using |h ^= rol(bytes[i], 4)|, I'm happy.
# [18:59] * Joins: cdiehl_ (cdiehl@moz-19852EBD.pool.mediaways.net)
# [18:59] * Quits: cdiehl (cdiehl@moz-74C57263.pool.mediaways.net) (Ping timeout)
# [18:59] <jfkthame> jlebar: ok, thanks
# [18:59] * cdiehl_ is now known as cdiehl
# [18:59] * Parts: Optimizer (Mibbit@6BCF5DE2.2E81CE6D.89AC0F27.IP)
# [19:00] * Joins: kinetik (kinetik@B0506AEA.F200EF31.613E47D1.IP)
# [19:00] * Joins: Bas (chatzilla@moz-DF3CA35A.ftth.concepts.nl)
# [19:00] * jmaher is now known as jmaher|bbiab
# [19:01] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [19:01] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [19:01] * Quits: fabrice (fabrice@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [19:01] * Joins: cpeterson (cpeterson@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [19:02] * Quits: hub (hub@moz-E2FCA694.figuiere.net) (Ping timeout)
# [19:02] * davehunt|away is now known as davehunt
# [19:02] <bhearsum> anyone here have an os x 10.8 machine?
# [19:02] <Ms2ger> s/machine/work of art/
# [19:02] <Ms2ger> Don't hurt its feelings
# [19:03] * Joins: Mook_as (mook@moz-1FCC0032.activestate.com)
# [19:03] * armenzg is now known as armenzg_brb
# [19:03] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [19:03] * Joins: roc_ (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [19:03] * roc_ is now known as roc
# [19:04] <NeilAway> jlebar: what's wrong with just checking for low memory every 10 seconds on a timer?
# [19:04] * ajuma|lunch is now known as ajuma
# [19:04] <Daeken> jlebar: huh, interesting... VirtualAlloc on here is just a jmp to another trampoline.
# [19:04] <jlebar> NeilAway, That it's a timer, for one thing.
# [19:04] <jlebar> NeilAway, And that it doesn't respond quickly enough, for another.
# [19:04] <jlebar> NeilAway, You want to disable said timer when you're idle -- how do you know?
# [19:05] * Joins: victorporo (victorporo@E25721DF.A00C134E.79933D60.IP)
# [19:05] * Joins: Ami_Ty (Amie@F022929C.45C7AA64.DC443CCD.IP)
# [19:05] * Quits: victorporof (victorporo@40A61E2F.70F4578F.79933D60.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [19:06] * Quits: necolas (necolas@moz-20AA4BAE.bb.sky.com) (Client exited)
# [19:06] * Quits: re588 (RE@E9A639C3.E46D361A.8F339A2F.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [19:06] <@bz> http://bemasc.net/wordpress/2012/04/04/dissertation-copyright/ is somewhat depressing
# [19:07] * Joins: Boriss (FlyingToas@moz-10902A55.telecom.net.ar)
# [19:08] * Quits: mak (chatzilla@moz-8C087C3D.retail.telecomitalia.it) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1-rdmsoft [XULRunner 2.0/20110318052756])
# [19:08] <jlebar> Daeken, Well, that certainly makes our life easy...
# [19:10] <Mossop> glandium: Do you care about where in dependentlibs.list mozglue appears? Putting it right at the start makes for a slightly cheaper patch
# [19:10] * khuey is now known as khuey|away
# [19:10] * Quits: edmorley (edmorley@moz-CA0328CD.range86-145.btcentralplus.com) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [19:11] * Joins: smya (chatzilla@E8DDE205.E706A4B3.F44414AF.IP)
# [19:12] <jlebar> Daeken, What about MapViewOfFile and CreateDIBSection (Gdi32.dll)?
# [19:12] * Quits: paolo (paolo@moz-FCECBC2B.retail.telecomitalia.it) (Client exited)
# [19:13] * Joins: rohan (chatzilla@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP)
# [19:13] * Joins: bmoss|2 (bmoss@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [19:14] <glandium> Mossop: now that you mention it, it needs to be placed before all the libraries that depend on it, so first is actually better
# [19:14] * Joins: joe_walker (joe_walker@moz-15405DDA.cable.virginmedia.com)
# [19:14] * ctalbert|afk is now known as ctalbert
# [19:14] * Quits: mjschranz (mjschranz@F1451709.44D93D66.1139E686.IP) (Client exited)
# [19:14] * Quits: bmoss (bmoss@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [19:14] <Mossop> glandium: Ok, will do
# [19:14] * Joins: dseif (dseif@F1451709.44D93D66.1139E686.IP)
# [19:15] <Daeken> jlebar: mapviewoffile starts with sub rsp, 38h (4 bytes)
# [19:15] * Joins: fs (Elchi3@B9C9103E.56629902.2EC4CA51.IP)
# [19:15] * Quits: dseif (dseif@F1451709.44D93D66.1139E686.IP) (Input/output error)
# [19:16] * Joins: garnacho_ (carlos@moz-95A0FF70.red-83-51-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net)
# [19:16] <Daeken> jlebar: and CreateDIBSection starts with a 2-byte push rbx
# [19:16] <jlebar> Daeken, Well, this is looking pretty good for you...
# [19:16] <Daeken> so in either of those cases, we can use the infinite loop
# [19:16] <mkaply> Is there something else besides z-index that controls whether or not a panel appears above another panel? I've changed the autocomplete panel to have a z-index of 0 and my panel has a z-index of > 0, but the autocomplete is still on top
# [19:17] * bear-afk is now known as bear
# [19:17] * joduinn is now known as joduinn-mtg
# [19:17] * padenot|away is now known as padenot
# [19:17] * bmoss|2 is now known as bmoss
# [19:17] <jlebar> Daeken, I'm going to keep going forward with the x86-32-specific patch I have, but once we get that figured out, we can try your idea?
# [19:18] <Daeken> sure, sounds good
# [19:18] <Daeken> i'll whip up a patch once we get there if you want. i kinda want to try it out for my own purposes anyway
# [19:18] <jlebar> Daeken, That sounds fantastic to me.
# [19:20] * Quits: cadecairos (cadecairos@F1451709.44D93D66.1139E686.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [19:20] * philor|away is now known as philor
# [19:20] * Joins: cjones (cjones@moz-45913895.socal.res.rr.com)
# [19:21] * Joins: logiclord (Gaurav@3A4FC803.FA33C058.35E3DDC8.IP)
# [19:21] * Quits: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Input/output error)
# [19:21] * Quits: surkov (surkov@B9538DF7.B7015738.33A1AC3C.IP) (Quit: surkov)
# [19:22] * Quits: garnacho_ (carlos@moz-95A0FF70.red-83-51-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) (Ping timeout)
# [19:22] <BenWa> ted2: pong
# [19:22] * Joins: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
# [19:22] * Joins: mixedpuppy (mixedpuppy@21B7B9F2.B87E9213.6E712CE2.IP)
# [19:22] * Joins: terrence (terrence@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [19:23] * @bz is disappointed
# [19:23] <@bz> I added checkin-needed like 2 days ago, but no takers!
# [19:23] * Joins: dseif (dseif@C080F02E.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP)
# [19:24] <ted2> BenWa: hey, re: bug 719536
# [19:24] * Joins: mjschranz (mjschranz@A71CC449.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP)
# [19:24] <ted2> it was my understanding that you did all the symbolication server-side
# [19:24] <jlebar> bz, I'll vouch for your L3 access! :)
# [19:24] * armenzg_brb is now known as armenzg
# [19:24] <ted2> is that not the case?
# [19:25] * Joins: sworkman (sworkman@moz-825EC923.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [19:25] * Quits: MarcoZ (Daily@moz-C3875970.dip.t-dialin.net) (Quit: MarcoZ)
# [19:25] * Joins: automata (automata@21672CAB.EF70936A.E0F4401A.IP)
# [19:25] <jlebar> glob, If I want enter_bug.cgi to auto-fill-in the bug's whiteboard, what's the querystring parameter for that?
# [19:25] * Joins: hub (hub@21B7B9F2.B87E9213.6E712CE2.IP)
# [19:25] <@bz> jlebar: yeah, I just didn't have time to push 2 days ago!
# [19:25] * sheppy-lunch is now known as sheppy
# [19:26] * Quits: Gentlecat (Roman@E92145AA.CF9BE6BE.8FB52CB8.IP) (Quit: Leaving)
# [19:26] <glob> jlebar, status_whiteboard
# [19:26] <jlebar> Ah, underscore.
# [19:26] <@bz> jlebar: but thank you for the vote of confidence anyway. ;)
# [19:26] <jlebar> Thanks.
# [19:26] * glob is now known as glob|away
# [19:27] * Joins: jamesr (jamesr@9D646D74.D6CCE4AE.77834EAA.IP)
# [19:28] * KaiRo needs to see a few patches and positive bugzilla conduct from bz before vouching for L3 access :p
# [19:29] <BenWa> ted2: Only on windows because PDBs are slow
# [19:29] <ted2> ah
# [19:29] * @bz has lots of negative bugzilla conduct under his belt
# [19:29] * Joins: montezuma (Mibbit@FE4B77E3.1E98AF39.79C24D08.IP)
# [19:29] <ted2> BenWa: so on mac you're just using the symbols we ship
# [19:29] * Quits: montezuma (Mibbit@FE4B77E3.1E98AF39.79C24D08.IP) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
# [19:29] <ted2> BenWa: so
# [19:29] * davehunt is now known as davehunt|away
# [19:29] <ted2> we ship our mac nightlies --disable-install-strip
# [19:30] <ted2> which works there because apple's toolchain doesn't stick all the DWARF in the binaries
# [19:30] <ted2> so they're big, but not ridiculously so
# [19:30] <BenWa> ohh
# [19:30] <ted2> if we --disable-install-strip your linux nightlies they're going to get huge
# [19:30] <BenWa> Can't we get only symbol names but not dawf debug?
# [19:30] <ted2> like 700MB libxul huge
# [19:30] <ted2> it's possible!
# [19:31] <ted2> there may be an option to strip that lets you get what you want
# [19:31] <ted2> glandium would probably know
# [19:31] * Joins: bnicholson (bnicholson@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [19:31] <ted2> our build system has a STRIP_FLAGS variable it uses while stripping
# [19:31] <BenWa> Right, the symbol server is best to side step
# [19:31] * timA|away is now known as timA
# [19:31] <BenWa> also symbol server doesn't work for local builds
# [19:31] <ted2> it looks like it's a little...broken though, since you can't currently specify it in a mozconfig
# [19:31] <ted2> local builds should be fine, no? as long as you run from dist/bin your binaries won't be stripped
# [19:32] <ted2> anyway
# [19:32] * Quits: louisremi (louisremi@moz-381A2210.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) (Ping timeout)
# [19:32] <glandium> there are options to strip to selectively delete things. what are you after?
# [19:32] <BenWa> Right, so we could support local symbolication for local builds and symbol server for non
# [19:32] <ted2> you should find out if there's a way to make strip produce the output you want from an unstripped binary
# [19:32] * Quits: askalski (akuda@moz-6A36EC49.ip.abpl.pl) (Ping timeout)
# [19:32] <ted2> if there is, then we should fix STRIP_FLAGS so you can specify it in your mozconfig, and that should do the trick
# [19:32] <BenWa> glandium: Yes, I want to be able to call addr2line type address to symbol name mapper, but don't care about line information
# [19:32] <jlebar> glob|away, When you're back: How do I get it to auto show-advanced-fields?
# [19:32] * Joins: smontagu (chatzilla@moz-DEDDC26B.red.bezeqint.net)
# [19:33] <BenWa> or debug. I want libxul to be reasonably sized like on mac
# [19:33] <glandium> BenWa: wouldn't it make sense to use the crash-reporter data, then?
# [19:33] <BenWa> glandium: Well what we have on mac is great. We ship the symbol info and we can just addr2line when symbolicating
# [19:34] * Joins: clokep_work (Mibbit@moz-F3A1C2D7.mitre.org)
# [19:34] <BenWa> crash-reporter means downloading data that isn't on public FTP for every builds, that is 20MB+ and that is slow to parse out
# [19:34] <glandium> BenWa: line info is quite big, in dwarf
# [19:34] <BenWa> glandium: I dont want line info. I want symbol names
# [19:34] <glandium> BenWa: ah, so you just want the symbol table
# [19:35] <BenWa> like foo::bar(int)+17
# [19:35] <BenWa> yes
# [19:35] * Quits: bholley (bholley@moz-FCAF9AAB.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Connection reset by peer)
# [19:35] * Joins: bholley (bholley@moz-FCAF9AAB.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [19:35] <glandium> BenWa: i think strip -d will do what you want
# [19:35] * jmaher|bbiab is now known as jmaher
# [19:35] <glandium> BenWa: if STRIP_FLAGS doesn't work, setting STRIP="strip -d" may work
# [19:36] <BenWa> Thanks! That's enough to get me started :D
# [19:36] <ted2> we should fix STRIP_FLAGS
# [19:36] <ted2> it's not useful in its current form
# [19:36] * Quits: bholley (bholley@moz-FCAF9AAB.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Connection reset by peer)
# [19:36] <ted2> (you have to make package STRIP_FLAGS=...)
# [19:36] <BenWa> ted2: If STRIP_FLAGS doesn't work I'll submit a patch in that bug thanks :)
# [19:36] * Joins: bholley (bholley@moz-FCAF9AAB.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
# [19:36] <ted2> cool
# [19:36] * Joins: cadecairos (cadecairos@EDDEAA06.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP)
# [19:36] <BenWa> ill update the bug and maybe look at this this weekend
# [19:36] <ted2> it just needs 1) an AC_SUBST(STRIP_FLAGS) in configure.in, and b) a STRIP_FLAGS line in config/autoconf.mk.in
# [19:37] <bjacob> bz: is there a bug # for your webgl dom bindings work?
# [19:39] <BenWa> Update bug 719536 with this discussing. Thanks guys
# [19:40] <ted2> np
# [19:40] * Quits: florian (Instantbir@moz-87C33FDA.kimsufi.com) (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com)
# [19:41] <glandium> ted2: seriously, we should generate autoconf.mk like we do mozilla-config
# [19:41] <glandium> +.h
# [19:41] <ted2> just everything that gets AC_SUBSTed gets a line?
# [19:41] <ted2> works for me
# [19:42] <ted2> you'd have to fiddle with the guts of autoconf, i'm sure
# [19:42] * Joins: askalski (akuda@moz-6A36EC49.ip.abpl.pl)
# [19:42] * Quits: andreasn_ (andreasn@moz-436FB3D1.a336.priv.bahnhof.se) (Quit: Ex-Chat)
# [19:42] * Joins: Waldo (waldo@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [19:42] <glandium> ted2: there are also a couple things in autoconf.mk.in with ifdefs that should really be in config.mk, too
# [19:43] * jimm is now known as jimm-lunch
# [19:44] <ted2> yeah
# [19:44] <Waldo> bholley: I laughed at your suggestion in 737559 :-D
# [19:44] <Waldo> and a pox upon you for it :-D
# [19:44] <ted2> having to add things in two places is definitely a pain
# [19:44] <ted2> glandium: i'll file it, we can sort out the details later
# [19:44] * Joins: dveditz (dveditz@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [19:44] * ChanServ sets mode: +o dveditz
# [19:44] * Parts: gakiwate (gautam@3AD1CBD5.809D2ACB.314AAB94.IP) (Leaving)
# [19:44] <askalski> hi everyone, I have a following problem
# [19:45] <glandium> ted2: awesome
# [19:45] * Joins: pcwalton (pcwalton@moz-7B0110AD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [19:46] <askalski> I am compiling Nightly on vbox1 (win 7 64) and testing on vbox2 (win xp). I copied out only "dist" folder from obj-dbg. vbox2 complains: MSVCR100D.dll not found. what to do?
# [19:47] * wlach is now known as wlach|lunch
# [19:47] <ted2> askalski: you need to install a compiler (or something else that provides you with the debug CRT)
# [19:47] <Ms2ger> Waldo, what a devious suggestion that was
# [19:47] <ted2> or find it on your dev machine and copy it over to your test machine
# [19:47] <ted2> it's probably under the install dir in a non-redistributable folder
# [19:48] <Waldo> Ms2ger: it was, wasn't it? and the way he managed to sneak the monkey with the figs into it was especially clever
# [19:48] * zpao|detached is now known as zpao
# [19:49] * Joins: rs (rs@moz-217F02CE.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net)
# [19:50] <rohan> hi mcote
# [19:50] <rohan> i am uploading the patch now
# [19:50] <@bz> khuey: at least shoeboxed uses filepickers that let you upload multiple files!
# [19:50] * Parts: clokep_work (Mibbit@moz-F3A1C2D7.mitre.org)
# [19:51] * Quits: pascalc (chatzilla@moz-A2A3C9E6.vlan402.asr1.cdg3.gblx.net) (Ping timeout)
# [19:51] * Joins: smya_ (chatzilla@E8DDE205.E706A4B3.F44414AF.IP)
# [19:52] <rohan> hi gerv
# [19:52] * Quits: smya (chatzilla@E8DDE205.E706A4B3.F44414AF.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [19:52] * smya_ is now known as smya
# [19:52] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
# [19:52] <@khuey> bz: I just email everything to them
# [19:52] * Quits: damons (gnubeard@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: damons)
# [19:52] <@bz> khuey: yeah, I can never recall the address for that. ;)
# [19:53] <@khuey> I have it saved as a contact in zimbra
# [19:54] <taras> dolske: snappy meeting in 10min
# [19:55] * Quits: Goldorak (chatzilla@5A8038A8.138B9D4B.187A1082.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [19:55] * Joins: Goldorak (chatzilla@5A8038A8.138B9D4B.187A1082.IP)
# [19:57] * Quits: NhanTDN (human_torc@DABF93C9.319B7742.85184009.IP) (Quit: )
# [19:59] * Joins: smya_ (chatzilla@E8DDE205.E706A4B3.F44414AF.IP)
# [19:59] * Quits: smya (chatzilla@E8DDE205.E706A4B3.F44414AF.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [19:59] * smya_ is now known as smya
# [20:00] <Ms2ger> ehsan, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/editor/libeditor/html/nsHTMLEditRules.cpp#699
# [20:00] * Quits: azakai (alon@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [20:00] <dholbert> Looks like windows builds are busted on inbound
# [20:00] <dholbert> and dougt needs a backout
# [20:00] <Ms2ger> ehoogeveen, that's just going out of its way to get the parent the hard way, right?
# [20:00] * Quits: Jagannath (Mibbit@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
# [20:01] <Ms2ger> ehsan, I mean
# [20:01] <@ehsan> I can't see the problem
# [20:01] <dholbert> error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol __imp_PR_Now referenced in function "void __cdecl NS_MakeRandomString(
# [20:01] <Ms2ger> What's it getting 'offset' for?
# [20:01] <dholbert> [/me was expecting a snide comment from khuey -- he must not be watching IRC :) ]
# [20:01] <@ehsan> well GetNodeLocation returns both
# [20:02] <Ms2ger> rIGHT
# [20:02] <Ms2ger> Er
# [20:02] <Ms2ger> Right
# [20:02] <Ms2ger> So why use it?
# [20:02] <@ehsan> hmm
# [20:02] * Quits: rniwa (rniwa@60A74940.D6CCE4AE.77834EAA.IP) (Quit: rniwa)
# [20:02] <@ehsan> I guess you could just use GetParent
# [20:02] <@ehsan> can you file this?
# [20:02] <Ms2ger> I'll just fix it instead
# [20:02] <@ehsan> (and the other one you showed me earlier)
# [20:02] <@ehsan> sounds great
# [20:02] <@ehsan> r=me!
# [20:02] <@khuey> dholbert: hmm?
# [20:02] * Joins: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de)
# [20:02] <@khuey> ah
# [20:03] * Quits: Jesse_ (jruderman@moz-537BCF9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Jesse_)
# [20:03] * Quits: adoria0000 (Mibbit@moz-B6C2C62F.osaka.ocn.ne.jp) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
# [20:04] * Joins: azakai (alon@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [20:04] * Quits: johanc (chatzilla@moz-D8A1AA43.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout)
# [20:04] <dholbert> [backed him out]
# [20:05] <@khuey> ah, ok
# [20:05] * @khuey puts down his tree
# [20:05] * catlee is now known as catlee-afk
# [20:05] * Quits: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Input/output error)
# [20:06] * Joins: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
# [20:07] * Joins: billm (billm@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [20:07] * Quits: jet (junglecode@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: jet)
# [20:08] * Joins: jet (junglecode@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [20:08] * Quits: joey (chatzilla@moz-EFCB4CBF.princetowncable.com) (Ping timeout)
# [20:09] * Quits: automata (automata@21672CAB.EF70936A.E0F4401A.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [20:10] * Joins: mburns_ (mburns@moz-42D3ADBA.members.linode.com)
# [20:10] * Quits: kdeeq (chatzilla@moz-937443ED.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 14.0a1/20120403063158])
# [20:11] * coop|buildduty is now known as coop|afk
# [20:11] * Quits: Standard8 (Standard8@B7F1AE36.48015583.54C3481B.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [20:11] * armenzg is now known as armenzg_mtg
# [20:13] <taras> jst: you coming to snappy?
# [20:13] * fabrice|afk is now known as fabrice
# [20:13] * Quits: ircloggr (nodebot@moz-F2373125.compute-1.amazonaws.com) (Client exited)
# [20:13] * Joins: prazuber (prazuber@moz-8FDA4E25.savvy.volia.net)
# [20:14] * Joins: ircloggr (nodebot@moz-1E453AAC.compute-1.amazonaws.com)
# [20:14] * Quits: bent (chatzilla@moz-C3562645.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.19/20110707195905])
# [20:15] * Quits: timdream (timdream@moz-104CC309.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: timdream)
# [20:16] * Quits: gkw (gkw@moz-7CD88B0C.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre)
# [20:18] * Joins: SidharthChugh (Mibbit@moz-5F4B9361.pool.mediaways.net)
# [20:20] * Quits: jwatt (roslea@jwatt.irc.users.mozilla.org) (Ping timeout)
# [20:21] * Joins: joey (chatzilla@moz-EFCB4CBF.princetowncable.com)
# [20:22] * Joins: damons (gnubeard@moz-7B0110AD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [20:22] * Quits: jdm (jdm@moz-9AEDE212.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Client exited)
# [20:24] * Joins: pvivek_ (quassel@DADB3753.F35258C7.2A068A5E.IP)
# [20:24] * Joins: ericjung (Mibbit@moz-C6B344D.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
# [20:24] * Quits: damons (gnubeard@moz-7B0110AD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [20:24] * jimm-lunch is now known as jimm
# [20:25] * Joins: automata (automata@21672CAB.EF70936A.E0F4401A.IP)
# [20:25] * Quits: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [20:25] * Quits: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [20:26] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [20:26] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [20:26] <@khuey> Kyle Huey@KYLEHUEY-PC /c/dev/mozilla-beta
# [20:26] <@khuey> $ hg push ssh://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta
# [20:26] <@khuey> pushing to ssh://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta
# [20:26] <@khuey> searching for changes
# [20:26] <@khuey> remote: adding changesets
# [20:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1da11a2bc5db - Rail Aliiev - Bug 738349 - PGP signature file missing http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/11.0/mac/en-US/. r=ted
# [20:26] <@khuey> remote: adding manifests
# [20:26] <@khuey> remote: adding file changes
# [20:26] <@khuey> remote: added 1 changesets with 0 changes to 0 files (+1 heads)
# [20:26] <@khuey> remote: Trying to insert into pushlog.
# [20:26] <@khuey> remote: Please do not interrupt...
# [20:26] <@khuey> remote: Inserted into the pushlog db successfully.
# [20:27] <@khuey> +1 heads?
# [20:27] <@bz> khuey: mmmm
# [20:27] * Joins: WeirdAl (chatzilla@moz-D461843.ask.info)
# [20:27] * Quits: dseif (dseif@C080F02E.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP) (Input/output error)
# [20:27] <Ms2ger> I found the 0 changes to 0 files more interesting
# [20:27] * Joins: Jesse (jruderman@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [20:27] <@khuey> bz: hmm, looks like the tip was a relbranch before
# [20:28] * Quits: logiclord (Gaurav@3A4FC803.FA33C058.35E3DDC8.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [20:28] <@bz> khuey: yeah, that's possible
# [20:28] <jair> hello guys have you figure the correct way to make firefox ask or use the magnet torrent protocol?
# [20:28] <jair> hello guys, I am pulling my hair because I can not make firefox 11.0 in linux to handle the magnet torrent link/file... Believe me I did the gnome configuration and the about:config tool as well all just as indicated but still not work...
# [20:29] <@bz> so btw...
# [20:29] <@bz> is there a plan for webidlifying svg?
# [20:29] <@bz> complete with its multiple inheritance crap?
# [20:29] <@khuey> bz: sounds like a job heycam|away was born for
# [20:29] * Joins: biesi (cbiesinger@EE9A5AA8.6B10AC3.E2F59BBC.IP)
# [20:29] <jair> my torrent client is deluge but it should not have anything to do with the torrent client that's why I brought it here ;)
# [20:30] <gcp> jair: this belongs in #firefox
# [20:30] <@bz> khuey: heh
# [20:30] * Quits: myk (Instantbir@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Ping timeout)
# [20:30] <jair> gcp: alright, thank you :(
# [20:30] * Quits: kaze (Daily@moz-CB189C31.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Client exited)
# [20:31] * Quits: harth (harth@40018561.F684631.21A4E96A.IP) (Input/output error)
# [20:32] <Ms2ger> "Will be rewritten with the WebIDL syntax."
# [20:32] <Ms2ger> (http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Spec_structure)
# [20:32] * Joins: c0smikdebris (c0smikdebr@F8E893F9.CADDDC1.D2D1FAF0.IP)
# [20:32] <@bz> bah
# [20:32] <@bz> why is NS_IMPL_STRING_ATTR HTML-only?
# [20:32] <Ms2ger> Who else needs it?
# [20:32] <@bz> SVG?
# [20:32] <@bz> in my case
# [20:33] <Ms2ger> Don't they have weirder stuff?
# [20:33] <Ms2ger> With animVal and stuff
# [20:33] <@bz> esp. as we align <svg:script> and <svg:style> with the HTML versions
# [20:33] <@bz> for some things
# [20:33] <@bz> not other
# [20:33] * Quits: ferongr (ferongr@CF8EE14F.F831E23E.F5160715.IP) (NickServ (GHOST command used by `ferongr))
# [20:33] * Joins: ferongr (ferongr@CF8EE14F.F831E23E.F5160715.IP)
# [20:33] <@bz> .type on <script> is the same, say
# [20:33] <Ms2ger> But sure, move it up
# [20:33] * Quits: c0smikdebris (c0smikdebr@F8E893F9.CADDDC1.D2D1FAF0.IP) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
# [20:33] * @bz nukes GetAttrHelper in the process
# [20:34] * Joins: c0smikdebris (c0smikdebr@F8E893F9.CADDDC1.D2D1FAF0.IP)
# [20:34] <Ms2ger> But, codesighs!
# [20:34] <@bz> uh
# [20:34] * Joins: gkw (gkw@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [20:34] <@bz> how would it help codesighs?
# [20:34] <Ms2ger> No idea
# [20:34] <@bz> I guess it would a tiny bit
# [20:34] <@bz> a very tiny bit
# [20:34] <@bz> screw it
# [20:34] * Joins: anant_ (anant@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [20:34] * Quits: anant (anant@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Connection reset by peer)
# [20:34] * anant_ is now known as anant
# [20:35] <@bz> SetAttrHelper we have more uses of
# [20:35] <Ms2ger> Do it while landing our next paris bindings batch :)
# [20:35] * Joins: myk (Instantbir@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [20:35] * Joins: Yoric (Yoric@moz-920DB13B.fbx.proxad.net)
# [20:35] * Joins: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de)
# [20:35] * Quits: c0smikdebris (c0smikdebr@F8E893F9.CADDDC1.D2D1FAF0.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [20:35] * Quits: merinui (merinui@moz-61C7235E.osk2.eonet.ne.jp) (Quit: Leaving...)
# [20:36] * Joins: Mnyromyr (Mnyromyr@B2521176.7B0892CB.771966F7.IP)
# [20:36] * Quits: catalinb (ethereal@C504E99C.9F328403.5BC07656.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [20:36] * Joins: c0smikdebris (c0smikdebr@D709B41D.DF6EC051.274D17D6.IP)
# [20:37] * catlee-afk is now known as catlee
# [20:40] <@bz> ok
# [20:40] <@bz> so how does this reflect.js thing work?
# [20:41] <Mossop> What on earth does *** No rule to make target `.mkdir.done', needed by `configure' mean?
# [20:41] <catlee> joey: ^^
# [20:41] <luke> anyone know how to find the buildid from a running FF?
# [20:42] <biesi> luke, isn't it in the about dialog?
# [20:42] * Joins: Standard8 (Standard8@B7F1AE36.48015583.54C3481B.IP)
# [20:42] <biesi> maybe not
# [20:42] <dao> it is
# [20:42] <WeirdAl> about:buildconfig maybe
# [20:43] <luke> WeirdAl: i can find the cset from buildconfig
# [20:43] <luke> WeirdAl: but i don't see buildid
# [20:43] <joey> Mossop: do you have the latest patches for config/makefiles ?
# [20:44] <gavin> luke: about:
# [20:44] <gavin> (the URL)
# [20:44] <luke> gavin: haha, ah, there it is. thanks!
# [20:45] <joey> Mossop: have you updated config/makefiles/* since yesterday ? specifically makeutils.mk and autotargets.mk
# [20:45] <WeirdAl> not sure that's helpful, since it says 20100101 in production builds
# [20:45] <gavin> luke: or top.opener.Services.appinfo.platformBuildID in the error console, if oyu want the non-truncated one
# [20:45] <WeirdAl> bah, I'm just trolling :(
# [20:45] <dholbert> WeirdAl, seriously, who runs production builds anyway?
# [20:45] * Joins: jdm (jdm@moz-6964083D.uwaterloo.ca)
# [20:46] <Mossop> joey: I'm building against a clean inbound as of about an hour ago
# [20:46] <Mossop> Clobbered objdir
# [20:47] * jhammel is now known as jhammel|lunch
# [20:47] * Quits: yuan (ywang@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: yuan)
# [20:47] <joey> Mossop: in config/makefiles/autotargets.mk near the bottom add: .mkdir.done:<ret><tab>@true and see if that fixes it
# [20:47] <joey> there might be a line missing from one of the merges
# [20:48] <dao> luke: the about dialog contains the build date in those builds that also display it in about:. as WeirdAl said, about: won't have the date in release builds
# [20:48] <Mossop> joey: That looks to be working better now
# [20:49] <luke> dao: ah, thanks
# [20:49] <joey> Mossop: ok I'll see about having that added back in
# [20:50] <gavin> dao: my about: has a date in a release build
# [20:51] * Joins: yuan (ywang@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [20:51] <gavin> "Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0"
# [20:51] <gavin> or do you mean a separate date entry?
# [20:51] <dao> that's the user agent string
# [20:51] <WeirdAl> gavin - uh, FF11 didn't exist in 2010; that's my point (and that change was deliberate)
# [20:51] <dao> (20:38:09) WeirdAl: not sure that's helpful, since it says 20100101 in production builds
# [20:51] <dao> the date is frozen
# [20:52] <gavin> er, yes, I knew that
# [20:52] <gavin> but I didn't think we had a separate entry in about: for the date depending on version
# [20:52] <gavin> I guess we don't, but the UA is useful there?
# [20:52] <gavin> (not frozen)
# [20:52] <dao> right
# [20:55] * Quits: mats (chatzilla@E8A3702C.D5022173.8500CC29.IP) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643])
# [20:56] * jhford-work is now known as jhford-lunch
# [20:58] * Quits: brendan (brendaneic@moz-A286C218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: brendan)
# [20:59] <Ms2ger> bz, what's up with reflect.js?
# [21:00] <nemo> hum. I'm kind of embarassed w/ how easily unc0rr, a pascal coder w/ almost no C exposure, came up w/ this solution to the issue of returning an array from a function in C (for simulating pascal short string)
# [21:00] <nemo> struct string{char s[256];};
# [21:00] <nemo> man. now I feel dumb :(
# [21:01] * Joins: crussell (colby@moz-6E56C1D9.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net)
# [21:02] * wlach|lunch is now known as wlach
# [21:03] * Joins: florian (Instantbir@moz-87C33FDA.kimsufi.com)
# [21:03] * Quits: pranavrc (pranavrc@A5728371.5B86C286.C28326FD.IP) (Quit: Ping timeout: ∞)
# [21:03] * Quits: bmoss (bmoss@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [21:04] * Joins: kaze (Daily@moz-A2A3C9E6.vlan402.asr1.cdg3.gblx.net)
# [21:06] * Quits: azakai (alon@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [21:07] * Joins: bmoss (bmoss@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [21:07] * Quits: clee (clee@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: clee)
# [21:07] * Quits: Cwiiis (cwiiis@40018561.F684631.21A4E96A.IP) (Quit: Ex-Chat)
# [21:07] * Joins: pascalc (chatzilla@moz-446F98C8.fbxo.proxad.net)
# [21:07] * armenzg_mtg is now known as armenzg
# [21:07] * Joins: azakai (alon@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [21:08] * cjones is now known as cjones-lunch
# [21:08] * Joins: smya_ (chatzilla@E8DDE205.E706A4B3.F44414AF.IP)
# [21:09] * Joins: Gentlecat (Roman@E92145AA.CF9BE6BE.8FB52CB8.IP)
# [21:09] * Quits: smya (chatzilla@E8DDE205.E706A4B3.F44414AF.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [21:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b7adf1bde2f6 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 637101. (Bv1) Add a 1 second delay before calling killTest(), Fix bug 647323 regression, Remove extra ';' and spaces. r=ted.mielczarek.
# [21:09] * smya_ is now known as smya
# [21:11] * Joins: damons (gnubeard@moz-7B0110AD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [21:12] * Joins: clee (clee@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [21:12] * Quits: espindola (espindola@E3F5259F.AEE431CB.287A8ADE.IP) (Client exited)
# [21:12] * Joins: espindola (espindola@moz-4EBD532B.dsl.teksavvy.com)
# [21:13] * armenzg is now known as armenzg_mtg
# [21:13] * mdas is now known as mdas|afk
# [21:14] * @bz wonders whether non-mitchell posters should have a limit of one post a day on .governance
# [21:14] <@bz> temporarily
# [21:14] * Joins: harsh (Mibbit@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP)
# [21:14] <@bz> or some other means of reducing the flow... ;)
# [21:14] <JonathanS> in http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/20510199924/how-do-you-scare-off-a-flock-of-web-developers, java is communism?
# [21:15] <davidb> bz: that is a good idea
# [21:15] <davidb> but problematic no doubt
# [21:15] <philor> you should start a thread in .governance proposing it
# [21:15] <@bz> heh
# [21:15] <@bz> philor: can I do that via hg gvexport?
# [21:16] * joduinn-mtg is now known as joduinn
# [21:16] * NeilAway finds a bug in the bugzilla activity display
# [21:17] <NeilAway> glob|away: look at the inline activity on bug 631007 ;-)
# [21:18] * joduinn is now known as joduinn-food
# [21:19] * Quits: kaze (Daily@moz-A2A3C9E6.vlan402.asr1.cdg3.gblx.net) (Client exited)
# [21:19] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, nice
# [21:20] * padenot is now known as padenot|away
# [21:21] * mcote is now known as mcote|bbiab
# [21:21] <Ms2ger> innerHTML, I guess
# [21:22] * Joins: smaug (chatzilla@moz-937443ED.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
# [21:22] * ChanServ sets mode: +o smaug
# [21:23] <@smaug> how do I bookmark all the pin'ed tabs?
# [21:23] * Quits: Goldorak (chatzilla@5A8038A8.138B9D4B.187A1082.IP) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204])
# [21:24] * Quits: squib (squib-@moz-415BAA34.engr.wisc.edu) (Quit: Leaving)
# [21:24] * Quits: JeroenDeDauw (j@moz-A7939EAB.dip.t-dialin.net) (Ping timeout)
# [21:25] <Ms2ger> Unfocused, yo
# [21:26] * mdas|afk is now known as mdas
# [21:26] * Joins: Optimizer (Mibbit@6BCF5DE2.2E81CE6D.89AC0F27.IP)
# [21:27] * Parts: Optimizer (Mibbit@6BCF5DE2.2E81CE6D.89AC0F27.IP)
# [21:34] <bhearsum> smaug: load the page, bookmark as usual?
# [21:34] * Joins: bent (chatzilla@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [21:35] <bhearsum> looks like you can drag them to a toolbar, too
# [21:35] <@smaug> bhearsum: I mean, something like "bookmark all"
# [21:35] <Ms2ger> All at once?
# [21:35] * Joins: efes (efes@moz-929D2974.dynamic.chello.pl)
# [21:35] * Quits: bc (bc@454BDC37.1D5E8529.AC69809B.IP) (Quit: leaving)
# [21:35] * Joins: sfink (chatzilla@moz-9B3B02C7.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
# [21:35] <bhearsum> oh, no idea
# [21:35] <@smaug> for some reason "bookmark all" is disabled for pin'ed tabs
# [21:36] <@bsmedberg> because the impl doesn't bookmark pinned tabs, only regular tabs
# [21:37] * Quits: ericjung (Mibbit@moz-C6B344D.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
# [21:37] <msucan> Mossop: ping?
# [21:37] <Mossop> msucan: pong
# [21:38] * Quits: efes (efes@moz-929D2974.dynamic.chello.pl) (Client exited)
# [21:38] * Quits: mjschranz (mjschranz@A71CC449.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP) (Client exited)
# [21:38] <msucan> Mossop: firebug and other projects would like us to move the source editor project from browser to toolkit. before i make a patch and ask for super-review (perhaps from you, if it's fine with you), do you have in mind any specific requirements we need to meet?
# [21:39] * Joins: catalinb (ethereal@C504E99C.9F328403.5BC07656.IP)
# [21:39] <Mossop> msucan: Is the source editor something we maintain or is it directly imported from somewhere else?
# [21:39] <Ms2ger> Mossop, hey, you do addons manager stuff too, right?
# [21:39] <Mossop> Ms2ger: It has been known
# [21:39] <Ms2ger> '"Check for Updates" to addons does not mean automatically download and install if there are newer versions'
# [21:39] <Ms2ger> Known? Wontfixed?
# [21:39] <msucan> Mossop: the source editor currently lives in browser/devtools/sourceeditor/ and it is something we maintain (the devtools team)
# [21:40] <@smaug> the problem is that pin'ed tabs get lost occasionally
# [21:40] <Mossop> Ms2ger: Yes it does (unless you've disabled automatic update installation)
# [21:40] <msucan> Mossop: but keep in mind that the source editor uses the Orion upstream project for the implementation
# [21:40] <jimm> can anyone suggest thebest way to go about doing more advanced regexp type string parsing in a makefile? Was looking at the standard make string functions and none of them really seem to do what I need to do.
# [21:40] <gavin> smaug: huh? how do they get lost?
# [21:40] <Mossop> msucan: Why does firebug want it in toolkit?
# [21:41] <@smaug> gavin: like, after crash or something
# [21:41] <msucan> we abstract the Orion API, and we only use a small subset of features. we do regression testing before we update, and we don't do blind-updates (just pull from upstream)
# [21:41] <gavin> smaug: that should never happen...
# [21:41] <@smaug> gavin: or, if you close first FF window and then Chatzilla
# [21:41] <msucan> our policy is generally to avoid forking the upstream project - we always submit patches upstream for inclusion
# [21:41] <gavin> Mossop: because it'd be useful to them, presumably
# [21:41] <msucan> Mossop: firebug needs it to allow firebug to use the source editor in seamonkey
# [21:41] <msucan> (erm, engrish)
# [21:42] <Mossop> msucan: I assume the APIs you provide have been through an sr pass already right?
# [21:42] <gavin> smaug: you can configure firefox to always save your session...
# [21:42] <msucan> Mossop: the initial landing of the source editor went through sr, yes
# [21:42] * @smaug checks his friend's configuration
# [21:42] <Ms2ger> Dragons don't have friends
# [21:43] <msucan> but since then we've been doing the run-of-the-mill typical work on improving the source editor, making fixes, and adding features (which meant new api as well)
# [21:43] * Quits: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
# [21:43] <biesi> Ms2ger, do you know the song "puff the magic dragon"?
# [21:43] <Ms2ger> No
# [21:43] * spartan|away is now known as spartan
# [21:43] <Ms2ger> Do I want to?
# [21:43] * Joins: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
# [21:43] <msucan> each change was, obviously, reviewed by a devtools peer (most often by rob)
# [21:43] <biesi> Ms2ger, seems relevant to the "dragons don't have friends" comment :)
# [21:43] <@smaug> gavin: something else than "show my windows and tabs from last time" ?
# [21:43] <biesi> I like the song, too, but obviously it depends on your taste
# [21:43] <Ms2ger> msucan, that sounds like DOM code
# [21:43] <Mossop> msucan: And those API changes didn't get sr? I'll have stern words with your reviewer ;)
# [21:43] * Joins: Optimizer (Mibbit@6BCF5DE2.2E81CE6D.89AC0F27.IP)
# [21:43] <Ms2ger> (Being reviewed by a devtools peer)
# [21:43] * Parts: Optimizer (Mibbit@6BCF5DE2.2E81CE6D.89AC0F27.IP)
# [21:44] <WeirdAl> msucan: can you cc me on the source editor move bug? That's the sort of project I'm quite interested in.
# [21:44] <msucan> WeirdAl: please see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717384
# [21:45] * Quits: sworkman (sworkman@moz-825EC923.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: sworkman)
# [21:45] <gavin> smaug: no, that's it
# [21:45] <WeirdAl> ooh, I like the bug it blocks even more :)
# [21:45] <msucan> Mossop: hehe, no sr. would every api change in the source editor jsm's need actual sr?
# [21:45] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [21:45] <msucan> we do that often, in many devtools projects
# [21:45] <Mossop> msucan: Yes, all API changes are meant to have additional sr
# [21:45] <Ms2ger> It's like starring oranges when landing on m-c
# [21:45] <msucan> and we don't go through sr
# [21:46] <msucan> are doing it all wrong? :) awww
# [21:46] <gavin> changes to sourceeditor aren't currently "API changes"
# [21:46] <gavin> because sourceeditor isn't really exposed to other consumers
# [21:46] <msucan> *are we
# [21:46] <Mossop> gavin: They have a JSM which is an API no?
# [21:46] <gavin> obviously that would change if it were in toolkit...
# [21:46] <gavin> I don't think it follows that "all JSM changes require SR"
# [21:46] * WeirdAl wants it, my precious
# [21:47] <Mossop> It's an API exposed to extensions in Firefox at the least
# [21:47] <gavin> sure, by that measure all code in Firefox needs SR
# [21:47] <msucan> Mossop: but that's the same for the js debugger, inspector, highlighter, style inspector, style editor, tilt and so on
# [21:47] <msucan> gavin: exactly!
# [21:47] * Joins: framalex (chatzilla@moz-ACD37DE6.dars-ip.ru)
# [21:47] <Mossop> msucan: Correct
# [21:47] <Ms2ger> gavin, indeed it does!
# [21:47] <gavin> no, it doesn't
# [21:47] <msucan> this is fun :)
# [21:48] <gavin> putting code into a JSM doesn't automatically make it an "API"
# [21:48] <WeirdAl> msucan: seriously, if I can lend a hand to helping with sourceeditor in toolkit, I'm interested
# [21:48] <Mossop> SR is required for "Any change to any API or pseudo-API" including "global JS utility functions and the like"
# [21:48] * jhammel|lunch is now known as jhammel
# [21:48] <msucan> now, back to the source editor: if we move it to toolkit does it mean we'll have a strict sr policy for every single change in the source editor code?
# [21:48] <msucan> (every single change that affects api)
# [21:48] <Mossop> msucan: When are you looking to do this?
# [21:49] <msucan> Mossop: we'd like to put it in toolkit/devtools/sourceeditor
# [21:49] <mconnor> msucan: where does it live that you don't think it has an SR requirement for API changes?
# [21:49] <gavin> Mossop: putting something in a JSM does not make it a "global JS utility function"
# [21:49] <WeirdAl> msucan: actually, module owners can waive sr...
# [21:49] <WeirdAl> for very well owned modules
# [21:49] * Quits: victorporo (victorporo@E25721DF.A00C134E.79933D60.IP) (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)
# [21:49] <WeirdAl> iirc
# [21:49] <mconnor> WeirdAl: well, SRs can globally waive SR for a module
# [21:49] <gavin> mconnor: browser/
# [21:50] <mconnor> I thought we killed the "SR isn't required for /browser" rule a few years ago
# [21:50] <Mossop> We did
# [21:50] <gavin> *sigh*
# [21:50] * jhford-lunch is now known as jhford-work
# [21:51] <WeirdAl> msucan: so all you need really is a written exemption :)
# [21:51] <gavin> I'm not saying "SR isn't required because it lives in browser/"
# [21:51] <WeirdAl> with regards to source editor
# [21:51] <gavin> I'm saying "SR isn't required because it isn't an "API" in any real sense, in part because it lives in browser/"
# [21:51] <mconnor> right
# [21:51] <msucan> WeirdAl: aha. thanks, btw for your offer to help me/us to get the source editor into toolkit
# [21:51] <gavin> we don't need any "written exceptions"
# [21:51] <framalex> Hi! I have a problem getting Firefox source code. I run "hg clone hg.mozilla.org/..." and it runs for hours and then my internet connection breaks down and hg rolls all changes back. Is there any way to get sources faster (preferrably archived)?
# [21:51] <gavin> we need to start using common sense and not get all tied up in policy interpretation BS :)
# [21:51] <mconnor> indeed!
# [21:51] * Joins: adev (Instantbir@moz-CDF69D58.ictp.it)
# [21:51] <msucan> thanks gavin
# [21:52] <mconnor> define what is an API :)
# [21:52] <Ms2ger> EVERYTHING
# [21:52] <jdm> framalex: you probably want a bundle instead
# [21:52] <jdm> framalex: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mozilla_Source_Code_%28Mercurial%29#Bundles
# [21:52] <Mossop> gavin: I think it's valuable for it to go through an SR pass. The SR can just sign off on it if they think it doesn't need one, but it can still be useful anyway
# [21:52] <gavin> Mossop: it did go through an SR pass, as mentioend by msucan
# [21:52] <WeirdAl> there's a meme for you: define all the terms!
# [21:52] <framalex> jdm: thanks!
# [21:52] <mconnor> msucan: basically, as a guideline: treat stuff that consumers will depend on in API-like ways as an API
# [21:52] <gavin> it's possible that there have been subsequent non-SRed changes
# [21:52] <Mossop> Regardless
# [21:52] * Quits: automata (automata@21672CAB.EF70936A.E0F4401A.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [21:53] <gavin> if we move it to toolkit, it makes sense to take a fresh look at the API
# [21:53] <mconnor> msucan: note "will" rather than "could possibly if you squint hard enough"
# [21:53] <dao> unfortunately most JSMs, private or not, are available the same way: resource:///modules/foo.jsm. so I keep telling people to at least add a sub folder for their private stuff (like resource:///modules/devtools/)
# [21:53] <Mossop> msucan: Yes, once you have other consumers relying on sourceeditor API changes will require SR passes
# [21:53] <gavin> and it may mean that future API-affecting changes should get SR
# [21:53] <Mossop> msucan: When are you looking to do this?
# [21:53] <msucan> fancy
# [21:54] <msucan> Mossop: we already had reports of addons that broke due to api changes
# [21:54] <msucan> (people started using the sourceeditor from the early days, in autumn)
# [21:54] <mconnor> dao: maybe resource://modules/devtools/privateAPIs/ :)
# [21:54] <msucan> Mossop: when? firebug wants this "asap" (now/whenever we can)
# [21:54] <Mossop> resource://private/... quick set it up!
# [21:54] <mconnor> msucan: in that case, is the SR requirement still onerous?
# [21:54] * Quits: rs (rs@moz-217F02CE.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout)
# [21:55] <@bsmedberg> if you're adding something that firebug will depend on, then we should definitely be making we understand the compatibility requirements of the API...
# [21:55] * Quits: harsh (Mibbit@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
# [21:55] <msucan> gavin: Mossop: but i have one worry: the source editor api is still under flux - we are still adjusting to feature-needs. do you believe we should just wait longer before committing to a move into toolkit?
# [21:56] * Joins: harsh (Mibbit@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP)
# [21:56] <msucan> (irrespective of how "badly" projects like firebug need it?)
# [21:56] <WeirdAl> msucan: what if we simply moved that sourceeditor code to another hg.m.o repo, a la ipccode?
# [21:56] <gavin> moving things to other repos doesn't help anything
# [21:56] <msucan> mconnor: the problem with SR is not the actual reviewing process - it's more of a problem that it would make progress even slower for us, for the source editor
# [21:57] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, then I'm happy to break it every other week :)
# [21:57] <Mossop> msucan: Are you expecting to be needing to make breaking changes often?
# [21:57] <gavin> msucan: that's a tradeoff that needs to be evaluated carefully, yeah
# [21:57] <gavin> you can't have it both ways :)
# [21:57] <msucan> true :)
# [21:57] <Mook_as> msucan: it sounds like that ship has sailed, people _already_ depend on your APIs, where it lives doesn't matter?
# [21:57] * Quits: catalinb (ethereal@C504E99C.9F328403.5BC07656.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [21:57] <mconnor> msucan: the SR requirement mostly acts as a check against continuous breaking changes :)
# [21:58] <msucan> Mossop: i expect we won't make huge breaking changes, often. we didn't do huge changes for a few releases already, *but* we do incremental/small "itchy"/"breaking" changes
# [21:58] <msucan> mostly "fallout"
# [21:58] <dao> Mook_as: more people will depend on it if encouraged...
# [21:58] <Mossop> SR should generally be fast for incremental changes. It's the new giant components (ahem debugger) that take up the time
# [21:58] * Quits: framalex (chatzilla@moz-ACD37DE6.dars-ip.ru) (Ping timeout)
# [21:58] <mconnor> msucan: if you're changing stuff often enough that the SR requirement will be a significant drag on development I would assert that you may want to rethink your approach :)
# [21:58] <msucan> (as was the case with some of the existing addons that broke approximately a release ago)
# [21:59] <msucan> mconnor: ok, thanks! well, at this point i obviously don't expect (as mentioned) often big changes. we are in the course of stabilizing
# [21:59] * Joins: brendan (brendaneic@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [21:59] <mconnor> msucan: excellent
# [22:00] * Joins: rs (rs@moz-217F02CE.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net)
# [22:00] * Joins: harth (harth@moz-C2C235AC.bb.sky.com)
# [22:00] <msucan> thank you all for your input
# [22:00] <mconnor> msucan: but it sounds like you're already past the big scary stuff, so shouldn't be a big deal. also, happy to jump in if you're blocked. ;)
# [22:00] * Quits: clee (clee@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: clee)
# [22:00] <msucan> mconnor: thank you!
# [22:01] * Joins: squib (squib@moz-B01B5D55.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com)
# [22:01] * Joins: framalex (chatzilla@moz-B01FCF56.dars-ip.ru)
# [22:04] <Mossop> msucan: Do you know of any particular breaking changes that might be happening in the future, and is there a way to make the API changes now even if the features they support aren't implemented yet?
# [22:05] * Quits: adev (Instantbir@moz-CDF69D58.ictp.it) (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com)
# [22:05] * Quits: cpeterson (cpeterson@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Input/output error)
# [22:06] * gregglind is now known as gregglind_afk
# [22:06] * Quits: @smaug (chatzilla@moz-937443ED.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Ping timeout)
# [22:07] <Mossop> msucan: And if we're not aware of any coming breaking changes then we might as well just move it now and hope to minimize them in the future. We're never going to be able to completely avoid breaking stuff
# [22:07] <msucan> Mossop: i don't have a list now, but i certainly see us adding stuff for autocomplete, for marking errors/warnings in the code and more stuff
# [22:08] <msucan> incremental find, replace, etc
# [22:08] <Mossop> Note that adding methods etc. isn't a breaking change. Changing existing method signatures or removing stuff is
# [22:09] * Joins: kutsurak (pex@moz-C350D81A.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr)
# [22:09] <msucan> Mossop: do additions also need sr then? or just breaking changes?
# [22:10] <@bz> who here is interested in fixing a bug on main-thread file access stuff?
# [22:10] <@bz> (as in, the fact that we end up doing it)
# [22:10] * Quits: graememcc (chatzilla@moz-790B72CA.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120310193349])
# [22:10] <Mossop> msucan: They still need sr, to get a second pair of eyes to look at the proposed API and consider whether alternates might be more resilient
# [22:10] <msucan> Mossop: cool. thank you!
# [22:11] * Quits: bsmith (bsmith@moz-6BB70391.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Ping timeout)
# [22:11] * Quits: rohan (chatzilla@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 7.0.1/20111008085056])
# [22:11] * Joins: givanica (chatzilla@90EE8FC3.2E7E5149.FB866788.IP)
# [22:12] * Joins: karl (karl@moz-479F88C2.jetstream.xtra.co.nz)
# [22:12] * Joins: kaze (Daily@moz-94556EDC.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr)
# [22:14] * rail is now known as rail-brb
# [22:15] * timA is now known as timA|mtg
# [22:15] * Quits: givanica (chatzilla@90EE8FC3.2E7E5149.FB866788.IP) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643])
# [22:16] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.10/20100914130356])
# [22:16] <Mossop> Bleh, toolkit is a mess. I wonder how many people would be upset if I moved everything around
# [22:16] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [22:16] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [22:16] * Joins: TheLink (TheLink@moz-7E63266B.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de)
# [22:17] * Quits: jet (junglecode@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Input/output error)
# [22:17] * Joins: jet (junglecode@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [22:18] * mattwoodrow|away is now known as mattwoodrow
# [22:19] * Quits: sheppy (sheppy@moz-4992DE6D.static.kgpt.tn.charter.com) (Quit: DISK VOLUME 254)
# [22:19] <nemo> so there's this weird bug in about:newtab previews
# [22:19] <nemo> (minor bug)
# [22:19] * joduinn-food is now known as joduinn-triage
# [22:19] * cjones-lunch is now known as cjones
# [22:19] <nemo> the preview of our minecraft world (google map api) has white seam lines along all the map tiles.
# [22:20] * Joins: sworkman (sworkman@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [22:20] <nemo> sort of how our 2D GLES game looks if texture clamping is not enabled
# [22:20] * Joins: edmorley (edmorley@moz-CA0328CD.range86-145.btcentralplus.com)
# [22:20] <nemo> hm. regular google maps has same look in preview
# [22:20] * Quits: harsh (Mibbit@CE8DD343.2C2BFB59.35E0727C.IP) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
# [22:21] <nemo> odd
# [22:21] * armenzg_mtg is now known as armenzg_brb
# [22:21] * Joins: doc (Mibbit@5ED8CF60.2C8C9EFC.5039E5EA.IP)
# [22:21] * merike is now known as merike|away
# [22:21] * Quits: Gentlecat (Roman@E92145AA.CF9BE6BE.8FB52CB8.IP) (Quit: Leaving)
# [22:22] <Ms2ger> Hi edmorley!
# [22:22] * Quits: jdm (jdm@moz-6964083D.uwaterloo.ca) (Client exited)
# [22:22] <edmorley> Good evening Ms2ger :-)
# [22:22] * Joins: damons_ (gnubeard@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [22:22] <edmorley> and how are you?
# [22:22] <Ms2ger> Good good, you?
# [22:23] <edmorley> Likewise, thank you
# [22:23] * Quits: damons (gnubeard@moz-7B0110AD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [22:23] * damons_ is now known as damons
# [22:23] <edmorley> about ready to stab my eyes out after dealing with acrobat and pdf forms, but hey
# [22:24] <Ms2ger> You missed my editor jibes earlier :(
# [22:24] * Quits: @dveditz (dveditz@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: dveditz)
# [22:24] <edmorley> I'll be going through the logs soon, so don't worry :-)
# [22:24] <Ms2ger> Oshi-
# [22:25] <Ms2ger> Then you'll read what I said about you...
# [22:25] <edmorley> heh
# [22:25] * Ms2ger tries to remember if he said anything bad
# [22:25] <edmorley> still no editor related posts on mozillamemes, you've been slipping up :P
# [22:26] * padenot|away is now known as padenot
# [22:26] * coop|afk is now known as coop|buildduty
# [22:26] * Joins: cpeterson (cpeterson@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [22:27] * Joins: clee (clee@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [22:29] * Quits: aja (chatzilla@31F97AFA.71C78C16.7880DB15.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [22:30] * Joins: cpearce (chatzilla@moz-CAF4778E.xdsl.xnet.co.nz)
# [22:31] * davehunt|away is now known as davehunt
# [22:32] <WeirdAl> edmorley - if someone does one, include a glazou reference
# [22:33] <askalski> hi everyone
# [22:34] <askalski> quick question: windows build rebuilds entire firefox everytime I do "make -f client.mk", right? Is there a way to re-compile only modified files?
# [22:36] <Ms2ger> Not right
# [22:37] <Mossop> askalski: It mostly does just recompile only the modified files, it just takes a long time to figure out which are modified
# [22:37] * Joins: aja (chatzilla@31F97AFA.71C78C16.7880DB15.IP)
# [22:37] <Mossop> You can in some cases be smarter than the machine
# [22:37] * Quits: pvivek_ (quassel@DADB3753.F35258C7.2A068A5E.IP) (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)
# [22:38] <edmorley> askalski: it shouldn't do; though 0-change builds win builds still take 8-9 mins for me
# [22:38] <askalski> ok, it might be the case I haven
# [22:38] <edmorley> s/builds//
# [22:38] <askalski> haven't check out for a long time, and just a lot of stuff changed
# [22:38] <Mossop> Any change to a file like configure.in say will cause everything to be rebuilt of course
# [22:39] <Mossop> (configure.in was last changed today)
# [22:39] <askalski> right. ok, thanks. I just thought I might miss some addition (like ccache in Linux), but if that's not the case, then I'll just wait :)
# [22:40] * Quits: terrence (terrence@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [22:41] <kaie> is tomorrow a public holiday in california?
# [22:41] * davehunt is now known as davehunt|mtg
# [22:41] <biesi> kaie, nope
# [22:41] <biesi> maybe for banks
# [22:41] * Quits: asac_ (asac@moz-E38F4262.pppoe.wtnet.de) (Quit: leaving)
# [22:41] <kaie> ok thx. I guess Monday is a working day, too.
# [22:42] <biesi> yeah
# [22:42] <@khuey> yep
# [22:42] <kaie> I'm a lucky guy
# [22:43] * Joins: Mano (mano@moz-1C39291E.red.bezeqint.net)
# [22:43] * Quits: Enn (enn@moz-DB6467E3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356])
# [22:43] <Mano> bholley: ping
# [22:44] <aja> dholbert: ping
# [22:44] <dholbert> aja, pong
# [22:44] <dholbert> aja, I have a TryServer build that you can play with if you like :)
# [22:44] <aja> dholbert: no flex-flow ?
# [22:44] <dholbert> aja, flex-direction: row & row-reverse
# [22:44] * aja is trying it now
# [22:45] <dholbert> flex-flow is a shorthand
# [22:45] <aja> ah....indded it is....will try individual properties
# [22:46] * Quits: cpearce (chatzilla@moz-CAF4778E.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) (Ping timeout)
# [22:46] <dholbert> aja, yup -- s/properties/property/ (no wrapping yet)
# [22:46] <aja> dholbert: see my msg re chromium win nightlies ?
# [22:46] <jlebar> dolske, ping?
# [22:46] <dholbert> so just the flex-direction component of flex-flow (not the flex-wrap component)
# [22:47] <dholbert> aja, where/which?
# [22:47] * Quits: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [22:48] * jmaher is now known as jmaher|afk
# [22:48] <aja> sec.... will get you url for builds....basically since yesterday morning
# [22:48] * Joins: adeel (chatzilla@8F8046D6.CBBE8902.59D8DB68.IP)
# [22:49] <aja> http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/chromium-browser-snapshots/index.html?path=Win/
# [22:50] <aja> takes a while to load that page ^
# [22:50] * Quits: JonathanS (JonathanS@17EDFC35.8737F162.521902B0.IP) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
# [22:50] * Quits: Bas (chatzilla@moz-DF3CA35A.ftth.concepts.nl) (Ping timeout)
# [22:51] <dholbert> aja, what should I be looking for? (Still loading, but it looks like a folder listing)
# [22:51] * Joins: jgilbert (jgilbert@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [22:51] * Joins: Bas (chatzilla@moz-DF3CA35A.ftth.concepts.nl)
# [22:52] <aja> https://bugs.webkit.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=62048&hide_resolved=1 <-- is dep tree for their flex metabug
# [22:53] <aja> they've landed most all their flex stuff over last few days. implementing latest draft
# [22:53] * Parts: jlebar (jlebar@moz-B77DEAEB.mozilla.org) (Leaving)
# [22:53] <dholbert> aja, gotcha, good to know
# [22:53] * Joins: gandalf (zbraniecki@moz-2E335593.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
# [22:54] <aja> godd for comparison sake
# [22:54] * Quits: Bas (chatzilla@moz-DF3CA35A.ftth.concepts.nl) (Ping timeout)
# [22:54] <aja> good
# [22:54] <dholbert> yup
# [22:54] * Joins: Bas (chatzilla@moz-DF3CA35A.ftth.concepts.nl)
# [22:54] <aja> maybe you can trade some tests
# [22:55] * Joins: jdm (jdm@moz-6964083D.uwaterloo.ca)
# [22:55] <dholbert> perhaps! I haven't looked at webkit's tests before; not sure how the formats compare
# [22:55] <Ms2ger> Badly for webkit
# [22:56] <dholbert> but I'll give (vendor-prefix-munged versions of) their tests a try at some point
# [22:56] * jhford-work is now known as jhford-work-away
# [22:57] * Quits: Joeh (joe@5A3923AA.BC22908.C7CEC4ED.IP) (Quit: Joeh)
# [22:57] <akeybl> Ms2ger: where do we stand with bug 734019? Are you ready to land on Aurora/Beta?
# [22:57] <Ms2ger> I need to check beta
# [22:58] <Ms2ger> And I guess I'll need reviews
# [22:58] * Quits: smagnin (pike@moz-DEF53BC9.fbx.proxad.net) (Quit: Quitte)
# [22:58] * Quits: sicking (chatzilla@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Ping timeout)
# [22:58] * Quits: adeel (chatzilla@8F8046D6.CBBE8902.59D8DB68.IP) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [SeaMonkey 2.8/20120312220748])
# [22:59] * Quits: smya (chatzilla@E8DDE205.E706A4B3.F44414AF.IP) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912])
# [22:59] * Joins: knelson1 (Adium@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [23:00] * Parts: knelson1 (Adium@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [23:01] * Joins: sicking (chatzilla@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [23:01] * Quits: c0smikdebris (c0smikdebr@D709B41D.DF6EC051.274D17D6.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [23:02] * Joins: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
# [23:03] * Quits: sicking (chatzilla@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Ping timeout)
# [23:03] * Joins: fxa90id (fxa90id@moz-83BBC510.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
# [23:04] * bsmedberg is now known as bsmedberg-away
# [23:04] <bholley> Mano: hi
# [23:04] * Quits: bdahl (bdahl@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Client exited)
# [23:04] <Mano> bholley: hey, working on the places-xpc bug
# [23:05] * Quits: TheLink (TheLink@moz-7E63266B.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) (Client exited)
# [23:05] <Mano> figured my problem there, so, unping :)
# [23:05] <bholley> Mano: awesome! :-)
# [23:05] <Mano> bholley: how can i test this?
# [23:06] * Quits: jet (junglecode@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: jet)
# [23:06] * Quits: Yoric (Yoric@moz-920DB13B.fbx.proxad.net) (Input/output error)
# [23:06] * Joins: bdahl (bdahl@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [23:07] <bholley> Mano: do git clone git://github.com/bholley/mozilla-central.git -b cpgtrain
# [23:07] <bholley> Mano: that will check out my compartment-per-global repo
# [23:07] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Client exited)
# [23:07] <bholley> Mano: then just build and do make mochitest-browser-chrome
# [23:07] <espindola> decoder, you normally use asan on linux or os X?
# [23:07] <bholley> Mano: and you should see the places failures
# [23:07] * Quits: davidb (davidb@471D72E.2257F909.F30C9E9E.IP) (Quit: davidb)
# [23:07] <bholley> Mano: the commit stack has one of your old patches in it - not sure what the status is
# [23:07] * Parts: yuan (ywang@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [23:08] * Quits: damons (gnubeard@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Quit: damons)
# [23:08] <bholley> Mano: ok, I'm going to be offline for about an hour, and then I'll be back (around 3PM pst) if there's anything else I can do to help you out
# [23:08] <@bz> dholbert: ping
# [23:08] <dholbert> bz, pong
# [23:09] <@bz> dholbert: got your flexbox build handy?
# [23:09] <dholbert> bz, yup, one sec
# [23:09] * joduinn-triage is now known as joduinn-mtg
# [23:09] <@bz> <div style="display: flexbox"><span>x</span> <span>y</span></div>
# [23:09] * Joins: jet (junglecode@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [23:09] <@bz> Is that rendering "xy" in your build, as I suspect?
# [23:09] * Quits: joe_walker (joe_walker@moz-15405DDA.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout)
# [23:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/da0d07b5ca1e - Serge Gautherie - Bug 740769. (Av1) Fix multiple issues in test_bug325418.js. r=bzbarsky.
# [23:10] <dholbert> bz, nope, it shows the space
# [23:10] <@bz> huh
# [23:10] <@bz> why?
# [23:10] <dholbert> bz, oh
# [23:10] <dholbert> -moz-flexbox
# [23:10] <@bz> my read of your code says it should be dropping the space
# [23:11] <@bz> (incorrectly, imo)
# [23:11] <dholbert> bz, yup, now we do
# [23:11] <@bz> ah
# [23:11] <dholbert> bz, "xy"
# [23:11] <@bz> with -moz-flexbox it's xy?
# [23:11] * Joins: bc (bc@454BDC37.1D5E8529.AC69809B.IP)
# [23:11] <dholbert> correct
# [23:11] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [23:11] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [23:11] * Joins: c0smikdebris (c0smikdebr@5E3B04C1.BA9C3500.274D17D6.IP)
# [23:11] <@bz> ok
# [23:11] <@bz> thanks
# [23:11] * Quits: jdm (jdm@moz-6964083D.uwaterloo.ca) (Broken pipe)
# [23:11] <dholbert> and yeah, I think you're right that we shouldn't
# [23:11] <@bz> do you want to rejigger this yourself and have me review the result, or have me suggest an approach and have you sanity-check it?
# [23:11] * Quits: bmoss (bmoss@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout)
# [23:12] <@bz> (either way, one of us comes up with a plan, and the other should make sure it's not nuts)
# [23:12] * Quits: bholley (bholley@moz-FCAF9AAB.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
# [23:12] <@bz> this stuff is way too complicated. :(
# [23:12] * Joins: evilpie_ (evilpie@moz-8AFE1101.pools.arcor-ip.net)
# [23:12] <dholbert> bz, let me take a crack at it. The idea is that we're supposed to preserve at least one space between consecutive inline items, correct?
# [23:12] * Joins: bmoss (bmoss@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [23:12] <@bz> yes
# [23:13] <@bz> I was thinking of it more that we should only drop whitespace between things that don't need the wrapper
# [23:13] * Joins: rjohnson19 (chatzilla@moz-9148485F.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
# [23:13] * Joins: yuan (ywang@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [23:13] <aja> dholbert: seeing some possible issues with a horizontal nav bar....will look into it more latest tonite
# [23:13] <@bz> as opposed to inside the loop when we're collecting up things that _do_ need the wrapper
# [23:13] <dholbert> aja, thanks! yeah, let me know
# [23:13] * Quits: jorendorff (jorendorff@moz-1747FB68.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) (Quit: jorendorff)
# [23:14] <dholbert> bz, ah, right - makes sense
# [23:14] <aja> <nav><menu><li><a></li></menu></nav> style, fwiw
# [23:14] * Quits: cadecairos (cadecairos@EDDEAA06.33EE9F8A.1139E686.IP) (Input/output error)
# [23:14] * Joins: louisremi (louisremi@moz-381A2210.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr)
# [23:14] * Joins: terrence (terrence@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [23:16] * Quits: msucan (msucan-@E52374FB.B8F2BA96.699550A1.IP) (Quit: .)
# [23:16] * Joins: re588 (RE@E9A639C3.E46D361A.8F339A2F.IP)
# [23:16] * Quits: Ms2ger (Ms2ger@3D429861.2FFB4560.37724B0D.IP) (Quit: nn)
# [23:16] * Quits: clee (clee@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: clee)
# [23:16] * Quits: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [23:17] * Quits: re588 (RE@E9A639C3.E46D361A.8F339A2F.IP) (Quit: )
# [23:18] * Joins: jdm (jdm@moz-6964083D.uwaterloo.ca)
# [23:18] * Joins: jviereck (Adium@moz-3A2E2122.dip.t-dialin.net)
# [23:19] <espindola> is there a way on linux to stop all other threads in the same process?
# [23:19] <espindola> or do I have to use fork and ptrace?
# [23:20] * Quits: @ehsan (ehsan@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Input/output error)
# [23:20] * Joins: kkdeep (kkdeep@AEC3AC64.EDB92836.E3E2C386.IP)
# [23:20] * edransch is now known as edransch-away
# [23:21] * Quits: kkdeep (kkdeep@AEC3AC64.EDB92836.E3E2C386.IP) (Quit: )
# [23:21] * Joins: dveditz (dveditz@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com)
# [23:21] * ChanServ sets mode: +o dveditz
# [23:21] * Quits: askalski (akuda@moz-6A36EC49.ip.abpl.pl) (Quit: Wychodzi)
# [23:22] * Quits: Sander (chatzilla@moz-B871F4D3.direct-adsl.nl) (Quit: And back he spurred like a madman, shrieking a curse to the sky.)
# [23:22] * Joins: ericjung (Mibbit@moz-C6B344D.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
# [23:23] * Joins: jhk (jigneshhk1@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
# [23:23] * Quits: madhava (madhava@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: madhava)
# [23:24] * Joins: Yoric (Yoric@moz-920DB13B.fbx.proxad.net)
# [23:25] <biesi> espindola, stopping threads is generally a bad idea
# [23:25] <biesi> coz that has a high risk of deadlocks
# [23:25] * khuey is now known as khuey|away
# [23:25] * catlee is now known as catlee-away
# [23:26] * bz is now known as bz_diner
# [23:26] <espindola> biesi, np, this is for self modifying code, so stopping the threads is probably to the worst :-)
# [23:27] <@dolske> self-modifying threaded code? what could go wrong?!
# [23:27] * bz_diner is now known as bz_dinner
# [23:27] * Joins: timA|mth (Instantbir@moz-535753DA.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
# [23:27] * Quits: Yoric (Yoric@moz-920DB13B.fbx.proxad.net) (Input/output error)
# [23:28] * Joins: timA|mti (Instantbir@moz-535753DA.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
# [23:28] * Quits: prazuber (prazuber@moz-8FDA4E25.savvy.volia.net) (Quit: )
# [23:28] <espindola> the intel manual is not clear. I can read it as saying that a locked swap will make sure every thread sees only the new or old instructions
# [23:28] * Quits: timA|mtg (Instantbir@moz-535753DA.hsd1.or.comcast.net) (Ping timeout)
# [23:29] <espindola> or if that only applies to each instruction
# [23:29] * timA|mti is now known as timA
# [23:29] * Quits: fs (Elchi3@B9C9103E.56629902.2EC4CA51.IP) (Quit: Leaving)
# [23:29] * davehunt|mtg is now known as davehunt
# [23:29] * Quits: timA|mth (Instantbir@moz-535753DA.hsd1.or.comcast.net) (Ping timeout)
# [23:29] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [23:30] * Quits: Boriss (FlyingToas@moz-10902A55.telecom.net.ar) (Quit: Boriss)
# [23:30] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [23:30] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [23:31] * Quits: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Input/output error)
# [23:31] * Quits: xakz (XaMaD@moz-34FBE388.fbx.proxad.net) (Ping timeout)
# [23:31] * Joins: clee (clee@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [23:31] * Quits: pascalc (chatzilla@moz-446F98C8.fbxo.proxad.net) (Quit: bye)
# [23:32] * Quits: mconley_ (mconley@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Input/output error)
# [23:33] * Quits: smontagu (chatzilla@moz-DEDDC26B.red.bezeqint.net) (Ping timeout)
# [23:35] * Quits: clee (clee@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: clee)
# [23:35] * Joins: mjschranz (mjschranz@moz-6FE6B833.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
# [23:36] <BenWa> ted2: glandium: Alright so doing STRIP_FLAGS="--strip-debug" on linux does the following: keeps our 250k symbols (nm libxul.so | wc -l). Increases the .gz from 22MB to 25MB, increase the decompressed libxul.so from 49MB to 69MB
# [23:36] <BenWa> strip-debug == -d (just more descriptive)
# [23:37] * Quits: gandalf (zbraniecki@moz-2E335593.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
# [23:37] * bhearsum is now known as bhearsum|afk
# [23:37] <BenWa> So we want to do it at a minimum in nightly-profiling. Do we want to do it under any other settings?
# [23:40] * Quits: abwillis (abwillis@9877934.9DD4DBBF.6A7A197.IP) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [SeaMonkey 2.7/20120129174238])
# [23:41] * armenzg_brb is now known as armenzg_afk
# [23:41] * Quits: armenzg_afk (armenzg@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Input/output error)
# [23:41] * Joins: clee (clee@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [23:42] * Joins: jlebar (jlebar@moz-B77DEAEB.mozilla.org)
# [23:42] <jlebar> With window.open, you can set the window's name using the second argument. What's the equivalent way to do that with iframes?
# [23:43] * Quits: clee (clee@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: clee)
# [23:45] * Quits: dao (dao@moz-B1D98078.superkabel.de) (Quit: Leaving.)
# [23:45] <jlebar> Oh, it's apparently just |name|.
# [23:45] * Quits: @roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP) (Ping timeout)
# [23:46] * Joins: catalinb (ethereal@moz-7443FA19.eregie.pub.ro)
# [23:46] * Joins: clee (clee@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [23:47] * Quits: stux (stux@moz-FD6B9EC6.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Ping timeout)
# [23:47] <espindola> what is the memory management of nsACString?
# [23:47] <espindola> it copies the const char * passed to the constructor?
# [23:47] * Joins: roc (chatzilla@C0ACF8B.5E1E9EEA.613E47D1.IP)
# [23:47] * ChanServ sets mode: +o roc
# [23:47] <jdm> espindola: dependends on the implementation, since A is abstract
# [23:47] <espindola> looking at dxr, but it seems confused with the forwarding to NS_CStringSetData
# [23:48] <jdm> espindola: nsCString/nsCAutoString duplicate the string
# [23:48] * Quits: yuan (ywang@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: yuan)
# [23:48] <jdm> nsDependentCString shares it
# [23:48] <espindola> Interesting
# [23:48] <espindola> thanks!
# [23:49] <jlebar> espindola, In case you don't have the link: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/xpcom_string_guide
# [23:49] <espindola> cool
# [23:49] <espindola> thanks
# [23:49] * timA is now known as timA|lunch
# [23:50] * Quits: cviecco_ (cviecco@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com) (Input/output error)
# [23:51] * Joins: yuan (ywang@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net)
# [23:51] * jgriffin is now known as jgriffin-afk
# [23:51] * Quits: mayhemer__ (Miranda@B3D46202.F87A741B.F23860FD.IP) (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org)
# [23:53] * Quits: louisremi (louisremi@moz-381A2210.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) (Ping timeout)
# [23:54] * Quits: Standard8 (Standard8@B7F1AE36.48015583.54C3481B.IP) (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
# [23:54] * Joins: Yoric (Yoric@moz-920DB13B.fbx.proxad.net)
# [23:57] * Joins: stux (stux@moz-FD6B9EC6.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
# [23:58] * Quits: cpeterson (cpeterson@moz-C03D0C61.vlan426.asr1.sfo1.gblx.net) (Quit: )
# [23:59] * Quits: sgreenlay (sgreenlay@E17A855D.16AD8761.971E19F6.IP) (Quit: Bye!)
# Session Close: Fri Apr 06 00:00:01 2012

The end :)