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6. # [00:02] <gavin> bent: you really should github that add-on, I wanna tweak it!
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8. # [00:03] <bent> gavin, it'd mean i have to go learn about hosting things on github...
9. # [00:04] <philikon> fffff
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13. # [00:05] <bent> gavin, i'll look into it this weekend-ish
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16. # [00:05] <bent> gavin, it needs frontend love like crazy
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42. # [00:14] <bent> hm, anyone remember where we send links to pdfs that don't look right in pdf.js?
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44. # [00:15] <bdahl> bent: we prefer github at the moment, but there is a pdf viewer component in bugzilla as well
45. # [00:15] <bent> ok
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57. # [00:26] <bholley> Mano: back online if you need me
58. # [00:26] <Mano> bholley: thanks, i'll let you know.
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77. # [00:43] <@khuey> facebook photos use the fullscreen API
78. # [00:43] <@khuey> that's pretty neat
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82. # [00:46] <taras> ttaubert: around?
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84. # [00:46] <Mossop> khuey: I'm surprised they don't just use it for the entire facebook
85. # [00:48] <@khuey> heh
86. # [00:48] <@khuey> shh
87. # [00:48] <@khuey> don't give them ideas
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89. # [00:48] <aja> dholbert, bz: seeing height of block container as single line rather than expanding to contain its child flexbox column....consistent with not implementing wrap/multiline yet i suppose?
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94. # [00:50] <dholbert> aja, you mean, if you've got multiple flexbox items, they don't stretch to the height of the flexbox? yeah -- I'm assuming 'flex-align: start' right now (and haven't done the rest of flex-align yet) -- I think that was the default at some point, but now 'stretch' does appear to be the default
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96. # [00:51] <dholbert> aja, so that is indeed a bug - thanks for the heads-up
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101. # [00:53] <aja> also...a horizontal toolbar....has all the text squished together.
102. # [00:53] <ttaubert> taras: si
103. # [00:54] <dholbert> aja, not sure what you mean -- could you send me a testcase?
104. # [00:54] <aja> will try and put together reduced cases for you tonite
105. # [00:54] <taras> ttaubert: commented in the bug
106. # [00:54] <dholbert> aja, that would be awesome, thanks!
107. # [00:54] <taras> ttaubert: 742594
108. # [00:54] <aja> bb....dinner
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111. # [00:56] <ttaubert> taras: so capturing a thumbnail is sync, unfortunately. storing it uses the async cache api, though
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113. # [00:56] <taras> right
114. # [00:57] <taras> but our cache is not actually async
115. # [00:57] <ttaubert> that's news to me :(
116. # [00:57] <taras> it does locking poorly
117. # [00:57] <taras> resulting in basically sync functionality
118. # [00:57] <ttaubert> ok
119. # [00:57] <taras> ttaubert: we've been tracking those bugs as part of snappy for a few months
120. # [00:58] <taras> ttaubert: see locking in https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2012-Q2-Goals#Networking
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122. # [00:59] <ttaubert> taras: ok, so I think the goal is not using the cache anymore to store thumbnails. it's just not the right storage, we'd probably need to implement our own somehow
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125. # [01:00] <taras> ttaubert: can we fix this bug on aurora/etc in meantime
126. # [01:00] <taras> fix/mitigate
127. # [01:00] <ttaubert> taras: yes
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129. # [01:01] <ttaubert> taras: so I think we could remove capturing thumbnails on TabSelect. we don't need to be super up-to-date. capturing after page load should be enough
130. # [01:01] <ttaubert> taras: and we can use setTimeout() to let the event queue process some things between capturing and storing
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133. # [01:02] <ttaubert> these would be rather small changes
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135. # [01:03] <taras> ttaubert: yeah
136. # [01:03] <taras> i have 669 captures
137. # [01:03] <taras> in my session
138. # [01:03] <taras> which is insane
139. # [01:04] <ttaubert> probably
140. # [01:04] <decoder> espindola: I use asan on linux. But i recently succeeded building asan on OSX too
141. # [01:04] <taras> i think 1/site/24hours is sufficient
142. # [01:04] <taras> max
143. # [01:04] <ttaubert> yes, exactly this
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145. # [01:04] <ttaubert> I think a threshold would be reasonable
146. # [01:04] <taras> i wish telemetry let us see distribution of counts vs uptime
147. # [01:05] <taras> ie how many of these per minute we are doing
148. # [01:05] <RyanVM> khuey: One pymake issue down, one to file :)
149. # [01:05] <RyanVM> khuey: (the PGO issues I think you already know about)
150. # [01:05] <@khuey> yep
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155. # [01:08] <ttaubert> taras: so we should file a second bug to throttle capturing
156. # [01:08] <taras> ttaubert: s/we/ttaubert/ :)
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158. # [01:08] <ttaubert> pfft
159. # [01:08] <ttaubert> :)
160. # [01:08] <ttaubert> taras: the first bug should at least be backported to Fx13. and I think fx12, too. the thumbnail service is active in 12 but probably not used (as the newtab page is disabled)
161. # [01:09] <taras> ttaubert: btw, thanks for not telling me to piss off in the bug
162. # [01:09] <taras> and pointing at code
163. # [01:09] <RyanVM> khuey: speaking of which, I just deleted xpidl.pyc while linking libxul and it still died on the second pass
164. # [01:09] <RyanVM> khuey: that worked for me before
165. # [01:09] <ttaubert> taras: um, sure :)
166. # [01:09] <taras> made this much easier
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172. # [01:11] <taras> ttaubert: is there telemetry in 12
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174. # [01:11] <taras> to see if anything is using it
175. # [01:11] <ttaubert> taras: hm.
176. # [01:11] <ttaubert> taras: no. bug 721019 landed in fx 13
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180. # [01:12] <taras> oh well, 12 is just a half-backed 13
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188. # [01:19] <ttaubert> taras: so we're not capturing and storing in the same timeout. http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/thumbnails/PageThumbs.jsm#103
189. # [01:19] <ttaubert> this fetches the canvas data asynchronously
190. # [01:19] <taras> does it really?
191. # [01:19] <ttaubert> kind of
192. # [01:19] <ttaubert> :)
193. # [01:20] <ttaubert> taras: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/html/content/src/nsHTMLCanvasElement.cpp#223
194. # [01:20] <taras> looks like it still does this within the same event handler
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196. # [01:21] <ttaubert> taras: no I think I even wrote a test for this
197. # [01:22] <ttaubert> hmmm at least I thought so :)
198. # [01:22] <taras> so many levels of indirection
199. # [01:22] <ttaubert> taras: bug 723852
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202. # [01:24] <taras> ttaubert: i dont know our streams very well
203. # [01:24] <taras> so it could be async
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205. # [01:25] <taras> s/very well//
206. # [01:25] <ttaubert> ok maybe we should check that
207. # [01:25] <@khuey> we do the encoding synchronously
208. # [01:25] <@khuey> we just dispatch the even async
209. # [01:25] <@khuey> *event
210. # [01:25] <@khuey> IIRC
211. # [01:25] <ttaubert> yes
212. # [01:25] <taras> khuey: which part of it dispatches the event async?
213. # [01:25] <gavin> nsHTMLCanvasElement::MozFetchAsStream pretty clearly doesn't run the callback async
214. # [01:26] <gavin> er, doesn't run it sync
215. # [01:26] <taras> gavin: enlighten me please
216. # [01:26] <taras> which part makes it async
217. # [01:27] <@khuey> the NS_NewInputStreamReadyEvent
218. # [01:27] <@khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/io/nsStreamUtils.cpp#96
219. # [01:27] <taras> ok
220. # [01:28] <gavin> yeah that
221. # [01:28] <gavin> grr khuey
222. # [01:28] <@khuey> hmm?
223. # [01:28] <gavin> beating me to the punch like that
224. # [01:28] <@khuey> heh
225. # [01:28] <taras> haha
226. # [01:28] <taras> sorry, khuey scores full points for highlighting my ignorance
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228. # [01:29] <taras> ttaubert: ok so sounds like the problem that i'm hitting is either capturing image or writing it out
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230. # [01:32] <taras> khuey: so if we do off main thread compositing
231. # [01:33] <taras> means we can do this drawImage type thing async
232. # [01:33] <taras> right?
233. # [01:34] <@khuey> not easily, no
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244. # [01:48] <jaws> how does somebody get added to the Mozilla organization on github?
245. # [01:48] <jhammel> ask one of the owners?
246. # [01:48] <jaws> if only i knew who the owners were :)
247. # [01:48] <jhammel> harth: ^
248. # [01:49] <jaws> oh cool
249. # [01:49] <jaws> harth: can you add me to the Mozilla organization? my nick on github is msujaws
250. # [01:50] <jaws> thanks jhammel
251. # [01:50] <jhammel> np
252. # [01:51] <jdm> ted2: you around?
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286. # [02:22] <markh> so - I screwed up and in rev http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/17e95355ad77, I accidently added some debugging code to pymake. Should I just revert that directly on m-c, open a new bug, or something else?
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290. # [02:22] <markh> that change should have no practical effect, except in some obscure edge case I've hit once
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293. # [02:27] <dholbert> mark, I'd just revert it on m-c and post the cset on the original cset's bug
294. # [02:28] <markh> dholbert: that sounds great - thanks!
295. # [02:28] <dholbert> markh, no problem
296. # [02:28] <dholbert> markh, (you could also revert it on m-i -- that's probably easier / more hygenic)
297. # [02:29] <dholbert> markh, (assuming the debugging code isn't going to cause anyone issues in the meantime)
298. # [02:29] <markh> dholbert: it shouldn't, no. With the m-i process still work ok given the bugs been closed etc?
299. # [02:29] <markh> s/with/will/
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301. # [02:29] <dholbert> markh, yeah, that'll be fine, as long as your commit message is clear
302. # [02:30] <markh> ok, I'll do it that way...
303. # [02:31] <dholbert> (e.g. "Bug 123 followup: backout chunk of pymake code that slipped in with this bug's patch")
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306. # [02:32] <dholbert> markh, also note that hg.mozilla.org will reject any commits that lack "r=whoever" in the commit message, _unless_ they have "backout" in the commit message
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308. # [02:33] <markh> dholbert: ah, interesting, thx!
309. # [02:33] <dholbert> markh, so you probably want to use the word "backout" in your description
310. # [02:33] <dholbert> np
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316. # [02:37] <dholbert> does pymake get used in our tbpl windows builds?
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318. # [02:38] <markh> really not sure, but it would be insane if it didn't seeing it is so much faster given the working -j option
319. # [02:38] <dholbert> (perhaps khuey knows?)
320. # [02:38] <markh> dholbert: is that relevant to me backing out, as I'm about to hit the "commit" button :)
321. # [02:39] <dholbert> markh, slightly -- you could use "DONTBUILD" if it's not used on tbpl
322. # [02:39] <dholbert> markh, and save us a round of test runs
323. # [02:39] <gps> dholbert: no, PyMake is not used by TBPL (yet, sadly)
324. # [02:39] <markh> so add DONTBUILD to the commit?
325. # [02:40] <dholbert> markh, yes please
326. # [02:40] <dholbert> markh, (thanks!)
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328. # [02:40] <dholbert> gps, thanks
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330. # [02:41] <markh> oh, screwup unscrewed - thanks guys!
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334. # [02:42] <edmorley> markh: tinderbox pymake is pending bug 593585
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339. # [02:46] * markh still wonders what that obscure pymake failure was that prompted me to add that debug code though...
340. # [02:47] <markh> well - I know what the failure was - just not what caused it
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342. # [02:48] <gps> markh: I'm impressed you had the courage to edit process.py ;)
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344. # [02:48] <markh> gps: well, it was just to catch the error I saw, print something, then re-raise the exception :)
345. # [02:48] <gps> still. that file is scary. I could never quite fully grok the process execution magic in PyMake
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347. # [02:49] <Sirisian> Where should I submit a bug relating to the fullscreen API's implementation in Firefox. In the core or in firefox bugs?
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349. # [02:49] <gps> zpao: ^
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351. # [02:50] <zpao> Sirisian: depends. what's the quick summary?
352. # [02:50] <Sirisian> I'm just submitting an identical bug to his so both browsers implement it: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=122272&thanks=122272&ts=1333672293
353. # [02:51] <Sirisian> There's a previous bug but it was closed as won't fix because it's a perceived security problem. I'm submitting a solution.
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355. # [02:53] <zpao> Sirisian: i would start by (a) opening a new bug in the same component as the old one (probably core > dom) and then mention it in the old bug
356. # [02:53] <zpao> for the record, we have a preference now: full-screen-api.exit-on-deactivate
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360. # [02:55] <Sirisian> zpao, yeah I know. This is to get rid of that and make things intuitive
361. # [02:55] <Sirisian> I mean it can still be there
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366. # [02:56] <zpao> (we also ignore that on OS X Lion now and don't exit on deactivate, but the multiple monitor case there is screwed anyway)
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370. # [02:57] <zpao> Sirisian: good luck :)
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372. # [02:58] <Sirisian> You sound like you know a lot about this.
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416. # [03:41] <espindola> decoder, cool. I had I bug that looked like memory corruption
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419. # [03:41] <espindola> but only reproduced with large testcases
420. # [03:42] <espindola> in the end it was a "regular" bug that only showed up in the idle event
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472. # [04:25] <qDot> ?
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481. # [04:32] <jdm> the downside of observing regressions is that I feel compelled to investigate them
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503. # [05:01] <@khuey> wow
504. # [05:01] <@khuey> http://justinsomnia.org/2012/04/hotel-wifi-javascript-injection/ is pretty evil
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507. # [05:04] <KWierso> ouch
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514. # [05:15] <@khuey> ddahl: ping
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519. # [05:27] <@bz> khuey: and _that_ is why we should all move to SPDY. ;)
520. # [05:28] <jtcranmer> no, https
521. # [05:28] <mwu> spdy requires ssl, no?
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523. # [05:28] <@bz> precisely
524. # [05:28] <@bz> selling them on https might be hard
525. # [05:28] <@bz> them == websites
526. # [05:29] <@bz> but selling on SPDY you can do the "Hey, look left at the speed graphs" thing
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535. # [05:36] <@khuey> bz: r+
536. # [05:36] <@bz> khuey: hmm?
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538. # [05:37] <@khuey> moving to SPDY
539. # [05:37] <@bz> khuey++ on the "none of those pairs are the same thing"
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542. # [05:39] <@khuey> yeah
543. # [05:39] <@khuey> some of them I can kinda understand
544. # [05:39] <@khuey> but others are pretty obviously distinct
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563. # [06:07] <@bz> + NS_ENSURE_TRUE(JS_IsArrayBufferObject(aCx, obj, &isBuffer));
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567. # [06:09] <@khuey> heh
568. # [06:09] <@khuey> macros are fun
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614. # [07:27] <ddahl> khuey: pong
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622. # [07:31] <@khuey> ddahl: was going to ask what the mailing list for domcrypt was, but I found public-webcrypto
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624. # [07:34] <ddahl> khuey: yeah that list will be more official after the web crypto WG is fully operational
625. # [07:34] <@khuey> well I sent mail to it
626. # [07:34] <@khuey> hope somebody is reading! :-P
627. # [07:34] <ddahl> ah
628. # [07:35] <ddahl> lemme see
629. # [07:35] <@khuey> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcrypto/2012Apr/0001.html
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632. # [07:37] <ddahl> kyle: thanks
633. # [07:37] <ddahl> yeah, it looks like that list is getting moved over to the WG now. awesome
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681. # [08:50] <Honza> So, I guess StorageList type (member of window) has bee removed in Nightlies, correct?
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704. # [09:37] <glazou> bonjour
705. # [09:38] <fantasai> bonjour!
706. # [09:38] <glazou> wassup elika?
707. # [09:38] * fantasai is attempting to debug someone else's patch
708. # [09:39] <glazou> midnight fun apparently then
709. # [09:39] * fantasai slacked off most of the day
710. # [09:39] <glazou> lucky you
711. # [09:39] <AryehGregor> glazou, did you have something to ask me?
712. # [09:39] <glazou> AryehGregor: hi aryeh ; yes but that was related to dom4
713. # [09:40] <glazou> it's not the habit in W3C to have an editor anymously listed on a W3C spec
714. # [09:40] <glazou> Ms2Ger's name should be listed
715. # [09:40] <glazou> ask fantasai about it...
716. # [09:40] <fantasai> :/
717. # [09:40] <glazou> anonymously even
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719. # [09:40] * glazou needs another espresso
720. # [09:41] <fantasai> It's not anonymous, it's pseudonymous
721. # [09:41] <AryehGregor> glazou, it doesn't violate any W3C policy I know of. He's part of the WG as a representative of Mozilla, and they know who he is. He has contact info.
722. # [09:41] <glazou> eh, even
723. # [09:41] <AryehGregor> I don't see any problem there.
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726. # [09:41] * fantasai would have liked to be listed as fantasai
727. # [09:42] <glazou> AryehGregor: you're correct, there is no policy ; but there is history ; and in the past some ACs have expressed disagreement to have anonymous editors or even contributors (although that changed on the latter)
728. # [09:42] <glazou> AryehGregor: I do see one
729. # [09:42] <fantasai> glazou: I don't see a legal problem as long as Ms2ger has signed the relevant agreements
730. # [09:43] <glazou> there is no _legal_ problem, sure
731. # [09:43] <fantasai> then I don't think there should be a problem
732. # [09:43] <AryehGregor> glazou, they can raise that for discussion in the AC if they care.
733. # [09:43] <glazou> there is just history in this consortium that editors are not anonymous
734. # [09:43] <fantasai> it's not anonymous
735. # [09:43] <fantasai> Ms2ger is readily identifiable
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737. # [09:43] <fantasai> it's not that we don't know who wrote the document
738. # [09:44] <glazou> elika, remember your own mention as a contributor to csswg specs ?
739. # [09:44] <glazou> 3 ACs refused to publish the doc w/o your name
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741. # [09:45] <glazou> anyway, I wanted to mention that
742. # [09:45] <fantasai> I wasn't privy to the AC's objections
743. # [09:45] * glazou looks for "privy" in dic
744. # [09:45] <fantasai> It was only pressure from the editor that I was listed
745. # [09:46] <fantasai> by name
746. # [09:46] <fantasai> There *was* concern about the CSSWG *having* my name
747. # [09:46] <glazou> I understand that
748. # [09:46] <fantasai> and that was communicated to me by you
749. # [09:46] <glazou> I was there, elika, and you were not in the WG at that time
750. # [09:46] <fantasai> as an IPR consideration
751. # [09:46] * fantasai was extremely upset about being forced into that
752. # [09:47] * fantasai does not want to do that to Ms2ger
753. # [09:47] <glazou> I can imagine but pseudos don't exist in real life
754. # [09:47] <fantasai> sure they do, they're called nicknames
755. # [09:47] <fantasai> and plenty of famous authors have written under pseudonyms
756. # [09:48] <fantasai> it's a very old tradition
757. # [09:48] <glazou> anyway
758. # [09:48] <glazou> told you what I wanted to tell
759. # [09:49] <fantasai> if the AC wants to complain, then let them complain. I personally don't think they should have any concern with how Ms2ger's name is listed
760. # [09:49] <fantasai> and as long as there is no legal consideration, there isn't a real problem
761. # [09:49] <fantasai> only a preference
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768. # [10:01] <AryehGregor> Note: hg push and hg qpush are very different things. Do not confuse them when working with an SSH checkout.
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770. # [10:01] <nigelb> ms2ger has a real name? :)
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783. # [10:13] <JesperHansen> what's the bug id for implementing the <time/>?
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790. # [10:18] <JesperHansen> ah bug 446510
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811. # [10:52] <AryehGregor> My autoland is being ignored at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=738385 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279330 . . .
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817. # [10:57] <gcp> huu, flash update with firefox sandbox?
818. # [10:58] <Ms2ger> lsblakk|afk, mjessome|away
819. # [10:59] * AryehGregor is glad he's able to help stress-test autoland so much, since it seems most regular contributors are used to manual tries
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824. # [11:00] <Ms2ger> I definitely am :)
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833. # [11:08] <gabor> Ms2ger: so what is the difference between NS_ASSERTION and MOZ_ASSERT?
834. # [11:08] <gabor> appart from the fact that the later is somewhat shorter...
835. # [11:08] <Ms2ger> Someone actually notices if the latter fails
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837. # [11:09] <AryehGregor> So, should I write a patch that causes mochitests to fail if there are unexpected assertions? :)
838. # [11:09] <gabor> so NS_ASSERTION is not a real assert just a printf while MOZ_ASSERT is you mean?
839. # [11:09] <Ms2ger> (Because it crashes debug builds; NS_ASSERTION doesn't)
840. # [11:09] <AryehGregor> (Instead of just crashtests?)
841. # [11:09] <glazou> gaaaaah, been searching for a js bug for an hour and a half, disovered it's because I forgot Array.concat does not modify the original array :-/
842. # [11:09] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, too late, dbaron already did
843. # [11:09] <AryehGregor> Oh, okay.
844. # [11:09] <AryehGregor> Then why don't people notice NS_ASSERTIONs?
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846. # [11:09] <Ms2ger> Because it hasn't landed yet
847. # [11:09] <AryehGregor> Oh, okay.
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850. # [11:10] <AryehGregor> It probably needs to update four billion tests, right?
851. # [11:10] * gabor don't like the idea of having two different asserions and mixing them in the same file...
852. # [11:10] <Ms2ger> gabor, r=me to make them all MOZ_ASSERTs :)
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854. # [11:11] <AryehGregor> #define NS_ASSERTION MOZ_ASSERT?
855. # [11:11] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, it looks like he's just logging them for now
856. # [11:11] <AryehGregor> Not making them actual test failures? Oh well.
857. # [11:11] <Ms2ger> To avoid the "update four billion tests" issue :)
858. # [11:12] <Ms2ger> In particular, the "all at once" part
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861. # [11:13] <AryehGregor> You'd want to have some kind of annotation to allow a specific number of asserts, like crashtests have.
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863. # [11:14] <AryehGregor> Then add the annotation to all existing tests at once.
864. # [11:15] <AryehGregor> So that at least new tests would fail.
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893. # [12:09] <@smaug> ++pdf.js
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897. # [12:12] <gabor> so if I want to implement a refcountable class (nsRefPtr compatible) from what class should it be inherited from?
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899. # [12:12] <gabor> I don't need qi
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901. # [12:13] <@smaug> gabor: no need to inherit
902. # [12:13] <janv> you don't need a base class
903. # [12:14] <@smaug> just implement AddRef/Release
904. # [12:14] <@smaug> and we have macros for that
905. # [12:14] <gabor> I was just hoping for some base class for that, or some macro at least...
906. # [12:14] * gabor <- is lazy
907. # [12:15] <janv> NS_INLINE_DECL_THREADSAFE_REFCOUNTING(className)
908. # [12:15] <gabor> right, so where can I find that macro?
909. # [12:15] <janv> or w/o the threadsafe
910. # [12:15] <gabor> thanks! janv++ smaug++
911. # [12:15] <janv> sure
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913. # [12:18] <@smaug> janv: how was the circus
914. # [12:18] <janv> cool
915. # [12:18] <@smaug> (I had to pass that)
916. # [12:18] <janv> I see
917. # [12:18] <janv> I need to walk like 15 km
918. # [12:18] <janv> needed
919. # [12:18] <janv> so I saw the city a bit
920. # [12:19] <@smaug> I did actually take a long walk too
921. # [12:19] <@smaug> earlier in the day
922. # [12:19] <janv> where?
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924. # [12:19] <@smaug> from hotel to the hills
925. # [12:19] <janv> ah
926. # [12:20] <janv> I took the California street
927. # [12:20] <janv> there's a hill too
928. # [12:20] <@smaug> quite nice city, although there isn't (nor very surprisingly) anything historical
929. # [12:21] <glazou> SF?
930. # [12:21] <@smaug> yup
931. # [12:21] <janv> well, there were some buildings on the california street
932. # [12:21] <janv> that looked quite historiccal
933. # [12:21] <janv> hey Daniel
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935. # [12:21] <glazou> hello jan :)
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937. # [12:22] <@smaug> though, the amount of homeless people was surprising
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939. # [12:22] <janv> yeah
940. # [12:22] <glazou> eh
941. # [12:23] <glazou> first times in SF for both of you?
942. # [12:23] <glazou> s/times/time
943. # [12:23] <janv> only me
944. # [12:23] <@smaug> I have been there once before
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946. # [12:23] <@smaug> but at that time it was raining
947. # [12:24] <glazou> I know a historical site in SF
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949. # [12:24] <glazou> at the Cheesecake factory on union square, there's written "Here, Pavlov tried to finish his plate and Glazou's too"
950. # [12:25] <glazou> ;)
951. # [12:25] <janv> heh
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953. # [12:26] <glazou> one of the place I love in SF is the museum of legion of honor
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955. # [12:27] <janv> good to know
956. # [12:27] * @smaug still hopes the next work week will be in Europe ;)
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963. # [12:30] <janv> since I had not adjusted to PST time :)
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966. # [12:35] <KaiRo> well, tends to be not too hard for me usually as I'm never on actual European time
967. # [12:37] * mattwoodrow|away is now known as mattwoodrow
968. # [12:39] <@smaug> I'm never really in EET, but still getting back to Finland caused horrible jet lag
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970. # [12:41] <Ms2ger> dholbert|afk, we don't require "r=" in the commit message, just a bug #
971. # [12:41] <KaiRo> janv: btw, the one "historical" building in SF I know about is from ~1900
972. # [12:42] <janv> KaiRo: ok, and the name ?
973. # [12:43] <glazou> oldest building in San Francisco is certainly Mission Dolores
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975. # [12:43] <KaiRo> janv: I always forget the name, but it's the green one in http://home.kairo.at/?d=g&i=464&m=f&f.i=22558&f.m=lg640
976. # [12:44] <janv> thanks
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978. # [12:44] <KaiRo> janv: as the photo shows, on Columbus Blvd near to the Transamerica Pyramid
979. # [12:44] <glazou> KaiRo: that's the "old building at walking distance from chinese quarter and home-made gnocchi" :-)
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981. # [12:45] <KaiRo> glazou: yes, sounds like it ;-)
982. # [12:45] <glazou> lunch time here
983. # [12:45] * glazou is now known as glazou_lunch
984. # [12:45] * KaiRo has breakfast atm :p
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986. # [12:47] <@smaug> Ms2ger: it is good to have r= in the commit message
987. # [12:48] <Ms2ger> Sure
988. # [12:48] <Ms2ger> If someone reviewed
989. # [12:48] <Ms2ger> This case was a backout of a change that landed accidentally
990. # [12:49] <@smaug> ah
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1009. # [13:11] <glandium> vingtetun: you leak
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1016. # [13:19] <Ms2ger> Not anymore
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1019. # [13:20] <glandium> Ms2ger: well he still does. m-i doesn't
1020. # [13:20] <Ms2ger> :)
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1031. # [13:40] <mak> wow, large push with large backout :)
1032. # [13:41] <glandium> who wants to rs http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1556021 for the win64 pgo red ?
1033. # [13:42] <Ms2ger> rs=me
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1035. # [13:46] <glandium> for people watch m-i, that red might happen on any other windows build, depending on what it's been incrementally building from
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1037. # [13:46] <glandium> watching
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1039. # [13:46] <Ms2ger> Ta
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1041. # [13:47] <glandium> i like to break the tree in subtle ways
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1046. # [13:53] <glandium> wth?
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1048. # [13:54] <glandium> error: ivorbiscodec.h: No such file or directory
1049. # [13:55] * Unfocused bets that isn't meant to happen ;)
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1051. # [13:58] <glandium> Unfocused: more importantly, there's no way my last landing can trigger that
1052. # [13:59] <glandium> nor the previous one
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1054. # [14:00] <Ms2ger> That's what they all say :)
1055. # [14:00] <glazou> lol Ms2ger
1056. # [14:01] <glandium> aaaaah
1057. # [14:02] <glandium> ooooooh i triggered something vicious
1058. # [14:02] * glazou was about to say something about it but refrained
1059. # [14:03] <glandium> yeah, final last words
1060. # [14:04] <glandium> err s/final/famous/
1061. # [14:04] * KaiRo just ended a message on the opensuse-factory list with "The real goal needs to be to make Flash obsolete and unneeded and work for openness, innovation and opportunities on the web - for everyone. Thankfully, that's the Mozilla mission. ;-)"
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1064. # [14:07] <Ms2ger> KaiRo, and Opera's, I guess ;)
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1066. # [14:09] <ted2> BenWa: sounds like those STRIP-FLAGS will do what you want then
1067. # [14:09] <ted2> jdmi am now!
1068. # [14:10] <Ms2ger> Missing comma?
1069. # [14:10] <ted2> i guess he's not here so tab-complete doesn't work
1070. # [14:11] <Ms2ger> http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m21fk7zkdL1rrf1eeo1_500.jpg
1071. # [14:12] <ted2> hah
1072. # [14:12] <KaiRo> Ms2ger: Opera has a mission?
1073. # [14:13] <Ms2ger> I guess they don't really call it a mission, per se
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1075. # [14:15] <Ms2ger> But in practice, I'd say so, yes
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1079. # [14:18] <mak> KaiRo: they had a mission first!
1080. # [14:19] <Ms2ger> mak++
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1086. # [14:27] <KaiRo> mak: how could I forget!
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1130. # [15:28] <timdream> is there a document.body equivalent for getting <html> element?
1131. # [15:30] <mounir> bz: regarding bug 742431, would that be very bad to have two UpdateState() in a row?
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1135. # [15:32] <Unfocused> timdream: document.documentElement
1136. # [15:34] <timdream> Unfocused: exactly. Thanks.
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1175. # [16:11] <NeilAway> do xpcshell tests not have a timeout?
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1177. # [16:11] <Ms2ger> I'll believe that
1178. # [16:12] <mak> NeilAway: iirc it's really long
1179. # [16:12] <mak> like many minutes
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1186. # [16:21] <Honza> So, I guess StorageList type (member of window) has bee removed in Nightlies, correct?
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1209. # [16:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ad90865125a2 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 739041. (Cv1a-FF) test_browserGlue_prefs.js: Move comment back to its related code, s/print/do_log_info/g. r=mak77.
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1233. # [16:58] <Ms2ger> Honza, I think that made it into the most recent nightly, yes
1234. # [16:58] <Honza> Ms2ger: ok, thanks!
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1236. # [17:01] <Wes> So, firefox closed on me [not sure why -- cmd w or ENOMEM, likely] when I was in the middle of editting a TEXTAREA in a wiki on bitbucket.
1237. # [17:01] <Wes> When I restarted the browser..... I didn't lose my unsaved work. Is bitbucket being clever, or is there some awesome-cool form-recovery stuff in firefox now?
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1244. # [17:05] <froydnj> awesome-cool form-recovery stuff
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1259. # [17:20] <Wes> froydnj: That's awesome! :D \o/
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1261. # [17:20] <@bz> when do sfink and bholley usually appear?
1262. # [17:21] <Ms2ger> Awesome-cool, even :)
1263. # [17:21] <Wes> Yeah! :)
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1265. # [17:21] <Ms2ger> Out of thin air
1266. # [17:21] <Ms2ger> Oh, when
1267. # [17:21] <Ms2ger> They don't have kids, do they?
1268. # [17:21] <Ms2ger> That would suggest around noon
1269. # [17:22] <sheppy> haha
1270. # [17:22] <froydnj> noon EST ;)
1271. # [17:22] <froydnj> oh
1272. # [17:22] <Ms2ger> PDT
1273. # [17:23] <Wes> I wonder what timezone wesj is in. I used to know it was quitting time whenever my chatzilla would go "ding ding ... ding..ding" because he would always commit patches at the same of day
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1277. # [17:24] <fabrice1> Wes: wesj is in PST
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1279. # [17:24] <ted2> just in goofy-hacker-pst
1280. # [17:25] <ted2> which is like UTC-12
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1282. # [17:25] <Wes> Hm, so he goes on a commit binge at 2:15pm, I wonder what creates that schedule?
1283. # [17:25] <Ms2ger> ted2, Beijing time, then?
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1285. # [17:25] <ted2> Ms2ger: probably!
1286. # [17:25] <@khuey> nah
1287. # [17:25] <ted2> Wes: he probably rolls into the office at noon, finishes lunch, checks mail, and then lands patches
1288. # [17:25] * Wes likes to study emergent behaviours in systems ... in wierd systems including IRC-connected-humans
1289. # [17:25] <@khuey> wesj isn't fryn
1290. # [17:26] <Wes> ted2: That's a good hypothesis
1291. # [17:26] <ted2> that seems to be de rigeur for people in MV/SF
1292. # [17:26] <ted2> SF is worse, almost nobody gets into the office before noon
1293. # [17:26] <ted2> they all work from home before that
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1295. # [17:26] <ted2> good thing we built an expensive office in the city they live in!
1296. # [17:26] <Ms2ger> khuey, that seems like a true statement
1297. # [17:26] <Wes> ted2: Maybe I just haven't noticed the pattern, nobody else's commits make my terminal beep :)
1298. # [17:26] <BenWa> ted2: Do I need to make the changes in the js/nspr autoconf?
1299. # [17:26] <ted2> BenWa: nah
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1301. # [17:26] <ted2> packaging only happens in the moz build
1302. # [17:27] <BenWa> ok, new patch coming up
1303. # [17:27] <BenWa> I though they might have to be kept in sync
1304. # [17:27] <Wes> Hey, you guys all seem to be here, is Good Friday not a holiday in the US?
1305. # [17:27] <@khuey> nope
1306. # [17:27] <ted2> nope
1307. # [17:27] <Ms2ger> "holiday in the US"
1308. # [17:27] <Ms2ger> Hah
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1310. # [17:27] <KWierso> it's a holiday, but not a paid holiday
1311. # [17:27] <Wes> Huh. I wonder my US-based contract is then.... :)
1312. # [17:27] <Wes> contractor*
1313. # [17:27] <KWierso> (it shows up on calendars)
1314. # [17:28] <@khuey> its a holiday in certain states
1315. # [17:28] <@khuey> not in CA though
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1317. # [17:29] <Wes> I personally love the long easter holiday, I get a Friday AND a Monday to hack undisturbed ... it's like getting a whole back into my schedule
1318. # [17:29] <@khuey> damn it
1319. # [17:29] <@khuey> I *HATE* shoeboxed
1320. # [17:29] <sheppy> haha
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1322. # [17:30] <Ms2ger> A whole what?
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1325. # [17:31] <Wes> ms2ger: Oh, a whole week
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1336. # [17:31] <Ms2ger> Try it!
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1338. # [17:32] <Ms2ger> Ah, jdm
1339. # [17:32] <Wes> try { toHitMe() } catch (egg) { throw egg }
1340. # [17:32] <jdm> good morning
1341. # [17:32] <Ms2ger> s/throw/eat/
1342. # [17:32] <Ms2ger> <ted2> jdmi am now!
1343. # [17:32] * Wes wonders what ms2ger's finally clause will be
1344. # [17:33] <Ms2ger> finally { releaseBunny(); }
1345. # [17:33] <ted2> hah
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1349. # [17:34] <jdm> grrr, what was I going to ask ted about that xpcshell timeout bug?
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1352. # [17:35] <ted2> beats me
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1354. # [17:36] <Ms2ger> Me beats ted2
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1356. # [17:36] <ted2> :-(
1357. # [17:36] * ted2 -> lunch
1358. # [17:36] * @bz really needs to find sfink or bholley or ideally both and talk to them about this typed array stuff
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1360. # [17:37] <Wes> ted2: They didn't approve ->, I think ES6 will use |>
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1378. # [17:46] <gcp> http://input.mozilla.com/en-US/?product=firefox&version=11.0&q=image+background
1379. # [17:46] <gcp> is this a typical disapporval rate for UX changes?
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1381. # [17:47] <Mossop> haters gonna hate
1382. # [17:48] <Ms2ger> Doesn't surprise me
1383. # [17:48] <Mossop> Also nothing motivates you to give feedback like disappointment, those that are happy about it don't respond
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1385. # [17:48] <nigelb> The problem with feedback mechanisms like that is, you don't the people who like it responding all the time.
1386. # [17:48] <nigelb> People who hate it, obviously complain :)
1387. # [17:48] <Ms2ger> You accidentally the verb?
1388. # [17:48] <nigelb> yes, *have*
1389. # [17:49] <KWierso> just like support forums aren't a good place to judge if there are serious problems in a product
1390. # [17:49] <nigelb> yes, exactly.
1391. # [17:49] <gcp> with this reasoning, how do we know when we *did* fuck up?
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1393. # [17:49] <gcp> or do we assume we're infallible?
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1395. # [17:50] <Mossop> The number is still useful, lots of bad feedback == fail, some bad feedback == omgchange
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1397. # [17:50] <glandium> xmalloc is infallible
1398. # [17:50] <Mossop> I don't know what the cut-off points would be though
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1401. # [17:51] <Mossop> Peaking at 10 complaints a day from our release users seems pretty low to me though
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1403. # [17:51] <nigelb> gcp: there's still some good feedback about it. I see greens.
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1409. # [17:52] <nigelb> lol input.mozilla.com/opinion/2798624 (nsfw - swearing)
1410. # [17:53] <nigelb> that seems like mozillamemes material.
1411. # [17:53] <froydnj> "one does not simply respond to negative feedback"
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1413. # [17:53] <@khuey> gcp: we don't fuck up :-)
1414. # [17:53] <nigelb> this is nice ] has quit [Ping timeout]
1415. # [17:53] <nigelb> 15:45 -!- anant_ is now known as anant
1416. # [17:53] <nigelb> 15:45 < nigelb> lol input.mozilla.com/opinion/2798624 (nsfw - swearing)
1417. # [17:53] <nigelb> 15:46 < nigelb> that seems like mozillamemes material.
1418. # [17:54] <nigelb> gah.
1419. # [17:54] <nigelb> I fail at computers.
1420. # [17:54] <KWierso> nigelb: it's gonna be one of those days, eh?
1421. # [17:54] <nigelb> http://input.mozilla.com/en-US/opinion/2793058 <-- meant to paste this in earlier.
1422. # [17:54] * jhammel takes away nigelb's license to hard-drive
1423. # [17:54] <nigelb> KWierso: Yeah. :(
1424. # [17:54] <glandium> "CHANG IT BACK NOW OR I WILL DELETE FIREFOX AND USE ANOTHER BROWSER!" haha go ahead
1425. # [17:55] * jhford-work is now known as jhford-buildduty
1426. # [17:55] <jhammel> there is a meme for that ;)
1427. # [17:55] <nigelb> jhammel: Noooooooooo
1428. # [17:55] <nigelb> haha, there's a meme for that.
1429. # [17:55] <nigelb> That needs to be a meme.
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1431. # [17:55] <nigelb> (soooo meta)
1432. # [17:55] <glandium> i think the problem about that image thing is that it's nice most of the time, but when it's not, it's *really* awful
1433. # [17:56] <gcp> glandium: yes
1434. # [17:56] <glandium> and not being able to change doesn't help
1435. # [17:56] <Ms2ger> You can change it!
1436. # [17:56] <nigelb> Yah, like viewing a PNG with black.
1437. # [17:56] <Ms2ger> Just edit userChrome.css!
1438. # [17:56] <gcp> Ms2ger: there's an add-on for that!
1439. # [17:56] <nigelb> Maybe I should write an add-on for that ;-)
1440. # [17:56] <Ms2ger> Also, transparent images :/
1441. # [17:56] <nigelb> hah. there's already one. Okay.
1442. # [17:56] <Ms2ger> nigelb, aww, too late
1443. # [17:56] <gcp> Ms2ger: yes, this completely breaks it
1444. # [17:56] <nigelb> However, "There's an add-on for that" new meme.
1445. # [17:56] * KWierso should start a tumblr of images with transparency that look horrible on a white background
1446. # [17:57] <jdm> nigelb: ps, I really like the update to your apple-q blocker
1447. # [17:57] <nigelb> jdm: <3
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1449. # [17:57] <jdm> nigelb: the only improvement possible now would be making the message fade in and out :D
1450. # [17:57] <nigelb> It blocks ctrl + q on linux as well.
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1452. # [17:58] <nigelb> Is that possible with jetpack? hrm.
1453. # [17:58] <Unfocused> i bet it doesn't block anything on windows
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1457. # [17:59] <Ms2ger> Unfocused, it remaps to "shut down and install ubuntu"
1458. # [17:59] <nigelb> it blocks ctrl + q on windows as well.
1459. # [17:59] <nigelb> I don't know how well it works. But it's not a problem on windows. I don't see windows users looking for this add-on ;-)
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1461. # [17:59] <gcp> http://input.mozilla.com/en-US/opinion/2807235
1462. # [17:59] <gcp> thats...not very nice
1463. # [17:59] <Unfocused> ctrl-q doesn't do anything on windows ;)
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1466. # [18:00] <KWierso> Unfocused: but it stops you from not doing anything :)
1467. # [18:00] <nigelb> heh
1468. # [18:00] <Ms2ger> gcp, I am fascinated by the capitalization
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1470. # [18:01] <nigelb> Not the usual troll.
1471. # [18:01] <jhford-buildduty> hey guys, we're going to be closing the tree shortly
1472. # [18:01] <Ms2ger> Noooo
1473. # [18:01] * Ms2ger pushes ALL THE THINGS
1474. # [18:02] <nigelb> Rainbow all the trees.
1475. # [18:02] <Ms2ger> No, that's glandium's job
1476. # [18:04] <kaie> hmm. my commit only changes version numbers. should I use tbpl to cancel all the builds for this commit?
1477. # [18:04] <Ms2ger> No!
1478. # [18:04] <kaie> ok
1479. # [18:04] <Ms2ger> That can cause builds on the next push to fail
1480. # [18:04] <froydnj> build ALL THE PATCHES
1481. # [18:04] <kaie> all right. that's why I'm asking :) thanks
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1490. # [18:07] <RattyAway> !seen ehsan
1491. # [18:07] <firebot> ehsan was last seen 22 hours, 4 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying 'r=me!' in #developers.
1492. # [18:07] <nigelb> It's a Canadian holiday today.
1493. # [18:07] <RattyAway> Canada? what's that?
1494. # [18:08] <nigelb> Haha. Best. Response. Ever.
1495. # [18:08] <RattyAway> ttfn
1496. # [18:08] <Ms2ger> RattyAway, you've got your review, land it
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1498. # [18:08] <Ms2ger> Actually, that was one for me
1499. # [18:08] <jhammel> RattyAway: i think its some US colony that hasn't achieved statehood yet
1500. # [18:08] * padenot is now known as padenot|away
1501. # [18:08] <nigelb> jhammel: *British
1502. # [18:08] <@khuey> jhammel++
1503. # [18:08] <jhammel> nigelb: wait, so Britain isn't an American colony?
1504. # [18:09] <jhammel> i thought we got them in WW2
1505. # [18:09] <Ms2ger> Sure
1506. # [18:09] * dholbert|afk is now known as dholbert
1507. # [18:09] <nigelb> Haha
1508. # [18:09] <Ms2ger> But who says a colony can't have colonies?
1509. # [18:09] <nigelb> http://i.qkme.me/3onycp.jpg
1510. # [18:09] <nigelb> I just made this. About to submit.
1511. # [18:09] <jhammel> nigelb++
1512. # [18:09] <Ms2ger> nigelb++
1513. # [18:09] <NeilAway> mak: well, I give it 2 hours...
1514. # [18:09] <jhammel> the worst part is its true
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1518. # [18:12] <Ms2ger> freelance writer
1519. # [18:13] <nigelb> hah, which list?
1520. # [18:14] <Ms2ger> What do you mean, list?
1521. # [18:14] <Ms2ger> I moved to IRC
1522. # [18:14] <nigelb> hahaha
1523. # [18:14] <jhammel> Ms2ger: you're hired
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1525. # [18:15] <Ms2ger> jhammel, get to the end of the queue
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1532. # [18:20] <Callek> philor|away: sooo cleanupDevice timeout bug, you put some logs on there that were not infact that issue: see my ad-hoc self-IRC log of tegra bugs to orange-to http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1556271
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1541. # [18:35] <@smaug> so, how do I sign in to MDN nowadays?
1542. # [18:35] <Yoric> BrowserID!
1543. # [18:36] * @smaug has no idea how to create a browserID and gives up
1544. # [18:36] <Ms2ger> Tell sheppy what you need changed
1545. # [18:36] <Ms2ger> That's what I do
1546. # [18:36] <nigelb> heh
1547. # [18:36] <@smaug> anyone willing to change coding style examples to actually follow the coding style
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1549. # [18:36] <@smaug> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Mozilla_Coding_Style_Guide has examples which use 4 space indentation
1550. # [18:38] * mak|afk is now known as mak
1551. # [18:38] <Mossop> Some bits of code in the tree do have 4 space indent :)
1552. # [18:38] <Ms2ger> They are wrong too
1553. # [18:40] * philor|away is now known as philor
1554. # [18:42] <anant> smaug: it's easy to create a browserID just go to browserid.org and sign up
1555. # [18:42] <@smaug> I had my MDN account
1556. # [18:42] <@smaug> why would I want to create yet another account
1557. # [18:42] <anant> if you create a browserID with the same email as your MDN account they will link up
1558. # [18:43] <anant> then you can use the same browserID on bugzilla too :)
1559. # [18:43] <jtcranmer> smaug: we have a single coding style? I thought we had 12 :-P
1560. # [18:43] * @smaug tries to create as few accounts as possible
1561. # [18:43] <znhxr> how many security holes is this?
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1563. # [18:43] <philor> Callek: yeah, if at some time in the future someone fixes 1200 second timeouts in cleanup device in a way which does not fix 1200 second timeouts in, say, install app on device, then at that point I'll worry about putting them elsewhere
1564. # [18:43] <@smaug> jtcranmer: we should have one. JS engine and xpconnect have unfortunately their horrible style
1565. # [18:43] <philor> there is a install app timeout bug, with some discussion about whether or not it's a dupe
1566. # [18:44] <@smaug> and content/xul has some bizarre style too
1567. # [18:44] <Callek> philor: but my point is the cleanup timeouts should be mostly fixed now
1568. # [18:44] <@smaug> but in general, new .cpp code should follow the same style
1569. # [18:44] <@smaug> s/.cpp/c++/
1570. # [18:44] <Callek> philor: which is why I actually care, and am pointing it out to you
1571. # [18:44] * @smaug doesn't know about JS
1572. # [18:45] <Callek> philor: I'm actually [trying to] TRACKING the amount of cleanup timeouts now, and when/where/why they happen
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1574. # [18:45] <jtcranmer> well, as I understand it, C++ style is to favor if ()\n{, while JS favors if () {\n
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1576. # [18:45] <Callek> the installApp timeouts are different, and also important, but certainly different
1577. # [18:45] <KaiRo> smagnin: the whole idea of browserid is to have *fewer* accounts
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1579. # [18:46] <KaiRo> znhxr: feel free top read the specs and the code
1580. # [18:46] <znhxr> too complicated
1581. # [18:46] <KaiRo> smaug: the whole idea of browserid is to have *fewer* accounts
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1583. # [18:46] <philor> fine, I had far too much free time on my hands
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1587. # [18:46] <KaiRo> smaug: and as I'm sure you have entered your mozillians.org profile, you surely already have a browserid account anyhow :p
1588. # [18:47] * philor once again regrets being the only human on the planet capable of ever starring any Android failure
1589. # [18:47] <@smaug> KaiRo: oh
1590. # [18:47] <Callek> philor: I just am advocating for logs posted to the correct bug, not trying to berate you for starring the logs in the first place
1591. # [18:47] <@smaug> perhaps I have
1592. # [18:47] <Callek> philor: without doing so it is increadibly hard to properly track where the effort needs to be expended on
1593. # [18:47] <@smaug> KaiRo: I didn't realize I created a browserid when I signed to mozillians
1594. # [18:48] <@smaug> not that I remember which email address I gave to mozillians.org :)
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1596. # [18:49] <Callek> smaug: when mozillians.org started it did not use browserID, but it did roll into that VERY shortly after
1597. # [18:49] <KaiRo> smaug: AFAIK, mozillians always used browserid - and we are trying to roll out the same mechanism all over Mozilla, so that it's near to single-sign-on as possible
1598. # [18:49] <gcp> talking about mozillians: https://mozillians.org/en-US/gcp
1599. # [18:49] <KaiRo> Callek: oh, really?
1600. # [18:49] <Callek> KaiRo: yea
1601. # [18:49] <jhammel> KaiRo: its true
1602. # [18:49] <KaiRo> gcp: what about it?
1603. # [18:49] <Callek> KaiRo: when browserID rolled in, mozillians tied all users there to a browserID e-mail
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1605. # [18:49] <KaiRo> Callek: oh, ok
1606. # [18:50] * @smaug doesn't know how browserid works
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1608. # [18:51] * jhammel isn't sure why mozillians constantly forgets his browserid info :(
1609. # [18:51] <gcp> KaiRo: needed a vouch, someone already did :P
1610. # [18:51] <KaiRo> smaug: wow, I thought everyone at Mozilla has read some of the numerous stuff about it by now
1611. # [18:51] <KaiRo> gcp: oh? :p
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1614. # [18:51] <@smaug> KaiRo: I skip irrelevant blog posts :p
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1616. # [18:52] <@smaug> browserid sounds like open alternative to facebook account or google account
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1618. # [18:52] <@smaug> and I'm trying to get rid of both of those ...
1619. # [18:53] <jhammel> smaug: you'd rather have a unique sign-in per site?
1620. # [18:53] <mak> maybe browserid is solving the issues that are making you trying to get rid of those
1621. # [18:53] <jhammel> and also have webdevs support a unique sign-in per site?
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1628. # [18:54] <@smaug> jhammel: in general I try to avoid using web sites which require sign-in.
1629. # [18:54] <jhammel> well, me too, but....
1630. # [18:54] <@smaug> and when I need an account, I just create some dummy one
1631. # [18:55] <@smaug> I mean, I use the same name/pw everywhere
1632. # [18:55] <@smaug> in places where it doesn't matter
1633. # [18:55] <jhammel> which one? :P
1634. # [18:55] <JesperHansen> WellHung19870
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1637. # [18:56] <jhammel> ha! i'm WellHung19869! in your face!
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1639. # [18:57] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
1640. # [18:58] <qDot> You sure you want to be well hung in their face? That might violate some channel rules.
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1642. # [18:58] <jhammel> ;)
1643. # [18:58] * kumar is now known as kumar|afk
1644. # [18:58] <jhammel> on good friday nonetheless
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1656. # [19:07] <nemo> jhammel: oh. huh. it *is* good friday. thanks for reminding me.
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1659. # [19:07] <nemo> I'm a total atheist, but the National Cathedral is cool to visit for Easter Sunday service.
1660. # [19:07] * nemo makes a note on his calendar
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1662. # [19:08] <Ms2ger> qDot, there are no channel rules, but maybe the Code of Conduct...
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1664. # [19:08] <qDot> HEYOOOOOOOOOOO
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1666. # [19:11] <jtcranmer> I prefer my username to be ừ̴̵̶̷̸̡̢̧̨̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̟̠̣̤̥̦̩̪̫̬̭̮̯̰̱̲̳̹̺̻̼͇͈͉͍͎́̂̃̄̅̆̇̈̉̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̽̾̿̀́͂̓̈́͆͊͋͌̕̚ͅ͏͓͔͕͖͙͚͐͑͒͗͛ͣ͘͜͟͢͝͞͠͡
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1670. # [19:12] <@khuey> uh, wtf just happened?
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1672. # [19:13] * ctalbert|afk is now known as ctalbert
1673. # [19:13] * @khuey just got a terminal full of strange characters
1674. # [19:13] <jtcranmer> I stress-tested your terminal's Unicode diacritic support
1675. # [19:13] <@smaug> jtcranmer's message contained something strange
1676. # [19:13] <jhammel> jtcranmer: personally i like ҉ ҉ ҉ ҉ ҉ ҉
1677. # [19:14] <jtcranmer> khuey: https://bug403464.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=288290 is the expected visual result
1678. # [19:14] <jhammel> i duno, wfm ;P i'm using the very advanced irssi client
1679. # [19:14] <@khuey> can you not do that
1680. # [19:14] <@khuey> lots of terminals don't appreciate that
1681. # [19:14] <jtcranmer> my terminal just blanked it all out
1682. # [19:14] <jhammel> hah
1683. # [19:14] <jhammel> gnome-terminal ftw :P
1684. # [19:15] <jtcranmer> I see "12:04 < jtcranmer> I prefer my username to"
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1687. # [19:15] <bent> must be friday...
1688. # [19:15] <jhammel> i'd copy and paste what i saw, but... ;)
1689. # [19:16] <@khuey> ima kick the next person that makes my terminal beep continuously for 60 seconds
1690. # [19:16] <jimm> heh
1691. # [19:16] <jtcranmer> (I was careful not to copy-pate the entire line)
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1698. # [19:19] <qDot> So I guess you're saying we're not allowed to speak Zalgo in here, eh?
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1701. # [19:20] <jdm> what the crap
1702. # [19:20] <jdm> 16 emails in 40 minutes
1703. # [19:20] <jdm> what is going on
1704. # [19:20] <@khuey> bugzilla went out back for a smoke
1705. # [19:20] <jhammel> qDot: oh thats nice....i hadn't heard of that
1706. # [19:20] <jdm> khuey: no, this is emails from mozilla.org/contribute/ o.O
1707. # [19:21] <@khuey> ah
1708. # [19:21] <qDot> jhammel: Yeah, check my title in phonebook. :)
1709. # [19:21] <@khuey> jdm: some professor turned their students loose?
1710. # [19:21] * jdm gives up writing code and just answers emails full time
1711. # [19:21] <jdm> oh wait
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1713. # [19:21] <jdm> someone is just submitting junk over and over
1714. # [19:21] <@khuey> heh
1715. # [19:21] <Ms2ger> Google!
1716. # [19:21] * jdm is slightly disappointed
1717. # [19:22] <cpeterson> jdm, is it khuey? ;)
1718. # [19:22] <jhammel> qDot: heh; i have a script that translates english text to stuff that looks like english text but.... i won't paste here :P
1719. # [19:22] <jhammel> like most software, it was originally written to taunt and annoy Canadians
1720. # [19:23] <@khuey> cpeterson: :-D
1721. # [19:23] <Ms2ger> jhammel++
1722. # [19:24] <@khuey> huzzah
1723. # [19:24] * @khuey has finally conquered shoeboxed
1724. # [19:24] <@khuey> only took all week
1725. # [19:24] <Ms2ger> Expense the time
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1727. # [19:24] <@khuey> heh
1728. # [19:25] <jhammel> that way you can eventually get paid just for doing shoeboxed :)
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1730. # [19:25] <jhammel> "I started off as a platform engineer, but nowadays my time is exclusively devoted to expense reports"
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1732. # [19:26] <gcp> and PDF joining
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1743. # [19:33] <jlebar> gerv, Should this URL work? https://api-dev.bugzilla.mozilla.org/1.1/bug?email1=justin.lebar%2Bbug%40gmail.com&email1_type=equals&email1_comment_author=1
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1745. # [19:34] <gerv> Yep, I think it should.
1746. # [19:34] <gerv> Please file a bug :-)
1747. # [19:34] <gerv> Webtools / BzAPI
1748. # [19:35] <jlebar> gerv, Will do.
1749. # [19:35] <gerv> How urgent is it that the URL work?
1750. # [19:35] <jlebar> gerv, Not urgent. I, erm, have real work to do too... :)
1751. # [19:36] <jlebar> gerv, Or, if there's a workaround.
1752. # [19:36] <gerv> I can't give a work around without looking at why the bug is happening :-)
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1769. # [19:50] <@khuey> omg the blue it burns
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1774. # [19:53] <philor> &onlyunstarred=1
1775. # [19:55] <jtcranmer> khuey: no, blue freezes
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1777. # [19:57] <sheeri> kanru can you test https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743145 again? we put a new slave in yesterday so that might have been the cause. We took it out now.
1778. # [19:58] <sheeri> kanru I'm actually off today, but had to login to do some other stuff, so I want to make sure the issue is resolved before I leave.
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1786. # [20:04] <RyanVM> bdahl: ping
1787. # [20:04] <bdahl> RyanVM: pong
1788. # [20:04] <RyanVM> i just pushed a 0.2.539 patch to Try
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1790. # [20:05] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=89933eb49918
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1794. # [20:05] <RyanVM> bdahl: 539 was the latest xpi when I grabbed it
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1798. # [20:06] <RyanVM> bdahl: anyway, don't know if you already had a patch cooked up or not, but it's my day off and I figured what the heck :P
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1801. # [20:08] <bdahl> RyanVM: k, i have a patch, i'd prefer we stick to 0.2.537 since that's what I sent to AMO already
1802. # [20:08] <RyanVM> ok
1803. # [20:08] <RyanVM> I don't think the job is going to run anyway
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1808. # [20:11] <RyanVM> bdahl: but FWIW, these are typically the kind of jobs you can farm out on unsuspecting volunteers if you like :P
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1811. # [20:13] <bdahl> RyanVM: i'll keep that in mind, currently we're doing an AMO/moz central update after the first thursday meeting of each month(pending everyone agrees)
1812. # [20:13] <RyanVM> good to know
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1816. # [20:13] <@bz> uh
1817. # [20:14] <@bz> why do I have 1.9 gigs heap-unclassified? :(
1818. # [20:14] <jhford-buildduty> we're going to open the trees again
1819. # [20:14] <Mavericks> 1.9 *gigs* ?
1820. # [20:14] * @bz restarts browser
1821. # [20:14] <@bz> Mavericks: yes
1822. # [20:14] <@bz> Mavericks: 1.876 to be more precise
1823. # [20:15] <nemo> That's where Mozilla keeps its AI routine.
1824. # [20:16] <Ms2ger> Hi
1825. # [20:16] <Ms2ger> You rang?
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1827. # [20:17] <dholbert> jhford, sounds good
1828. # [20:18] <dholbert> RyanVM, how were you able to just push to m-c with a closed tree? the hook should've blocked you
1829. # [20:18] <dholbert> er s/m-c/m-i/
1830. # [20:18] <RyanVM> it's open...
1831. # [20:18] <dholbert> oh... /me reloads tbpl
1832. # [20:18] <RyanVM> :D
1833. # [20:18] <dholbert> darn tbpl not updating that header
1834. # [20:18] * mbrubeck prepares to merge inbound -> central
1835. # [20:18] <RyanVM> I have *Level 4* access
1836. # [20:19] <dholbert> haha
1837. # [20:19] <dholbert> I misread timestamps and thought you'd pushed just before jhford's message (instead of just after)
1838. # [20:19] * zpao|detached is now known as zpao
1839. # [20:20] <RyanVM> jhford-buildduty: "OPEN for bug 739787"
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1841. # [20:20] <jhford> heh
1842. # [20:20] <jhford> i'll fix that
1843. # [20:21] <dholbert> TBPL is really exercising the blue pixels in my monitor
1844. # [20:21] <dholbert> good to give 'em a workout every now and again
1845. # [20:22] <RyanVM> hrm, I may have to clone aurora after all
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1847. # [20:22] <mbrubeck> RyanVM: You have seen http://jlebar.com/2011/5/20/Faster_and_smaller_clones_of_branches.html right?
1848. # [20:23] * mbrubeck tries to spread that link around at every opportunity
1849. # [20:23] <RyanVM> i did not
1850. # [20:23] <RyanVM> I was going to just grab a bundle
1851. # [20:24] <Mavericks> bz: have a link that's occupying 16 mb but that link /tab's long gone i.e closed. heap-unclassified's 25% on mine with js @ 50%
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1853. # [20:24] <jlebar> bz, Is that without any extensions?
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1856. # [20:27] <@bz> jlebar: mmm
1857. # [20:27] <@bz> jlebar: "no"
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1859. # [20:28] <@bz> jlebar: I have about:telemetry, compat reporter, console^2, DOMI, JIT Inspector, pdf.js, tab stats, test pilot, wallflower enabled
1860. # [20:28] <jlebar> bz, Test Pilot 1.2, right?
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1865. # [20:30] <gregglind> 1.2.1 is current on tp
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1868. # [20:31] <jlebar> bz, Anyway, I bet it's one of your extensions, perhaps one which has binary components.
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1875. # [20:33] <gregglind> (if it turns out to be TP, file a bug please :) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?alias=&assigned_to=glind%40mozilla.com&blocked=&bug_file_loc=http%3A%2F%2F&bug_severity=normal&bug_status=NEW&cc=jdicarlo%40mozilla.com&cf_crash_signature=&comment=&component=Test%20Pilot&contenttypeentry=&contenttypemethod=autodetect&contenttypeselection=text%2Fplain&data=&defined_groups=1&dependson=&description=&flag_type-325=X&flag_type-37=X&flag_typ
1876. # [20:33] <gregglind> oh boy, sorry!
1877. # [20:33] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: Maybe it's because I'm on Windows, but doing a local clone is still obscenely slow
1878. # [20:33] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: I think a bundle's the way to go
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1880. # [20:34] <Mossop> Which library does MOZ_Assert end up in?
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1882. # [20:35] <froydnj> hm, the TryServer disable hg phases advice does not seem to work
1883. # [20:35] <Ms2ger> mozglue?
1884. # [20:35] <Ms2ger> glandium, ^
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1886. # [20:35] <jlebar> froydnj, What happens?
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1888. # [20:35] <mcot> qq
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1890. # [20:36] <mcot> nsGlobalWindow::AddEventListener(const nsAString& aType,
1891. # [20:36] <mcot> nsIDOMEventListener *aListener) ...
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1893. # [20:36] <artpar> Hello, after doing a hg qpop -a, pull, update, qpush, i get .rej files with changes that couldnt be automatically be applied, how do i reply them again ?
1894. # [20:36] <froydnj> jlebar: the 'post-try = hg phase ...' bit does not work
1895. # [20:36] <mcot> how can I get the underlying JSObject * from aListener
1896. # [20:36] <Ms2ger> Why?
1897. # [20:37] <jlebar> froydnj, What's the error?
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1899. # [20:37] <jlebar> froydnj, Or does it appear to work, then give you a phases error when you to qpop?
1900. # [20:37] <bsmith> artpar: 1. manually
1901. # [20:37] <artpar> ok, thanks
1902. # [20:37] <froydnj> jlebar: qpop gives me a phase error
1903. # [20:37] <Ms2ger> mcot, so what are you trying to do?
1904. # [20:38] * ctalbert is now known as ctalbert|lunch
1905. # [20:38] <jlebar> froydnj, What command did you use to push to try?
1906. # [20:38] <froydnj> (the settings are in ~/.hgrc, rather than the repo, if that makes any difference)
1907. # [20:38] <bsmith> artpar: 2. apply all your patches again to a tree in the state in was in before you pulled. then pull --rebase
1908. # [20:38] <froydnj> hg push -f -r tip try
1909. # [20:38] <jlebar> froydnj, So post-try only applies to a command |hg try|.
1910. # [20:38] <bsmith> artpar: er. before you pull --rebase you have to qfinish your patches though
1911. # [20:39] <froydnj> ah! I was curious about that after reading the docs
1912. # [20:39] <bsmith> basically, mq is not great if you need to merge from upstream.
1913. # [20:39] <jlebar> froydnj, "For example, if you alias your push command to 'try', as in the following: "
1914. # [20:39] <jlebar> froydnj, Try post-push = hg phase --force --draft "mq()"
1915. # [20:39] * jhammel is now known as jhammel|lunch
1916. # [20:40] <mcot> This is just for some test code I am working on which annotates JSFunctions with where they came from
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1918. # [20:40] <froydnj> doh, I read the aliasing bit as aliasing 'try' to the try push path, not a separate command alias
1919. # [20:40] <froydnj> jlebar: thanks
1920. # [20:40] <jlebar> froydnj, Sure thing.
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1923. # [20:40] <Ms2ger> mcot, QI to... nsIXPConnectWrappedNative, I think
1924. # [20:41] <mcot> ok cool
1925. # [20:41] <mcot> I tried nsIXPCWrappedJS already
1926. # [20:41] <artpar> ok, where are the rej files located ? i was expecting them in .hg folder or something, but couldnt find them
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1928. # [20:41] <mcot> I thought it would be that since its a JS function being passed to C+
1929. # [20:41] <Ms2ger> Oh
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1931. # [20:41] <Ms2ger> I'm probably wrong
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1933. # [20:42] <mcot> xpconnect is really hard to figure out :)
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1936. # [20:42] <sheppy> And our docs for it are not very good. Someday when we have an infinite supply of writers, we will have someone spend real time making those docs good.
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1938. # [20:42] <mcot> also I'm doing all kinda of crazy casting the devs prob never intended for anyone to even think about
1939. # [20:43] * nhirata is now known as nhirata|lunch
1940. # [20:43] <jlebar> sheppy, Don't worry, even in that case, we'll change it too quickly for the writers to keep up. ;)
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1942. # [20:43] <sheppy> jlebar: don't make me shake my fist. :)
1943. # [20:43] <Ms2ger> sheppy, you should have someone document the new DOM bindings, at least
1944. # [20:43] <jlebar> froydnj, I updated the wiki pages, so hopefully it's clearer.
1945. # [20:43] <Ms2ger> I can't do it, Persona hates me
1946. # [20:44] <mcot> there is an AddEventListener in dom_quickstubs.cpp which ends up calling this
1947. # [20:44] <sheppy> Ms2ger: I have no idea what that is and see no reference to them in the list of open dev-doc-needed bugs.
1948. # [20:44] <mcot> but thats a generated file
1949. # [20:44] <@khuey> right
1950. # [20:44] <artpar> when i did the "hg update", i got this :
1951. # [20:44] <artpar> abort: crosses branches (merge branches or update --check to force update)
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1953. # [20:44] <artpar> my purpose was to rebase, as my mentor asked me to do
1954. # [20:44] <Ms2ger> sheppy, look again
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1956. # [20:45] <Ms2ger> artpar, what does |hg qap| say?
1957. # [20:45] <artpar> restore
1958. # [20:45] * sheppy refreshes the bug tracker
1959. # [20:45] <Ms2ger> hg qpo
1960. # [20:45] <artpar> $ hg qpo
1961. # [20:45] <artpar> popping restore
1962. # [20:45] <artpar> patch queue now empty
1963. # [20:45] <sheppy> Ms2ger: "paris bindings" wtf?
1964. # [20:46] <Ms2ger> hg up
1965. # [20:46] <RyanVM> artpar: the .rej files are alongside the files that were being patched
1966. # [20:46] <Ms2ger> sheppy, most code was written during a work week in Paris
1967. # [20:46] <artpar> abort: crosses branches (merge branches or update --check to force update)
1968. # [20:46] <Ms2ger> Paris, France, not Paris, TX
1969. # [20:46] <Ms2ger> Hrm
1970. # [20:46] <artpar> okay RyanVM, i will look there
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1972. # [20:47] <sheppy> This is the kind of bug that annoys me. A completely unuseful bug summary with commend #0 being just "here's a patch" and no obviously useful comments saying what the bug means anywhere.
1973. # [20:47] <jdm> sheppy: link?
1974. # [20:48] <jlebar> sheppy, I bet if you pinged one of the authors, they'd be happy to assist you...
1975. # [20:48] <artpar> i dont see any rej still, i even tried to search "*.rej"
1976. # [20:48] <jlebar> jdm, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740069
1977. # [20:48] <jdm> oh, heh
1978. # [20:48] <Ms2ger> sheppy, https://etherpad.mozilla.org/dom-bindings
1979. # [20:48] <artpar> and $ hg up
1980. # [20:48] <artpar> abort: crosses branches (merge branches or update --check to force update)
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1982. # [20:48] <Ms2ger> artpar, |hg heads .|?
1983. # [20:49] <artpar> $ hg heads .
1984. # [20:49] <artpar> changeset: 91175:a402c2064466
1985. # [20:49] <artpar> tag: tip
1986. # [20:49] <artpar> parent: 91083:ad90865125a2
1987. # [20:49] <artpar> parent: 91174:4ea78fe84b7c
1988. # [20:49] <artpar> user: Matt Brubeck <mbrubeck@mozilla.com>
1989. # [20:49] <artpar> date: Fri Apr 06 11:14:51 2012 -0700
1990. # [20:49] <artpar> summary: Merge last green changeset from inbound to mozilla-central
1991. # [20:49] * artpar was kicked by killer (Stop flooding!)
1992. # [20:49] <mbrubeck> oops
1993. # [20:49] * sheppy adds a link to that etherpad to the bug.
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1995. # [20:50] <artpar> sorry, i was kicked of from #developers for flooding :-/
1996. # [20:50] <mbrubeck> artpar: Sorry about that -- you can use http://pastebin.mozilla.org/ and then post a link here
1997. # [20:50] <artpar> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1556408
1998. # [20:50] <sheppy> Ms2ger: now, what's your problem with BrowserID? We need you able to fiddle with the wiki because this etherpad scares the socks off me.
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2000. # [20:51] <Ms2ger> artpar, ah, I see
2001. # [20:51] <Ms2ger> hg qimp -r 17f08a9203fb
2002. # [20:51] <Ms2ger> sheppy, it doesn't let Fx remember my password
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2004. # [20:51] <artpar> done executing, no output
2005. # [20:52] <Ms2ger> Hrm, hg heads . again?
2006. # [20:52] <artpar> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1556412
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2008. # [20:52] <jlebar> Ms2ger, Why aren't we hg up --C 'ing here?
2009. # [20:53] <jlebar> Oh, because his tree is totally f'ed up.
2010. # [20:53] <sheppy> Ms2ger: oh. Yeah, that's not an MDN integration thing, that's BrowserID itself. I see.
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2014. # [20:53] <Ms2ger> artpar, hg qpop
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2021. # [20:54] <sheppy> Ms2ger: however, due to the whole alignment shift around Kilimanjaro, the odds of anyone on the docs team getting to anything XPConnect related in the foreseeable future is essentially zero.
2022. # [20:55] <sheppy> But at least it's on the radar now.
2023. # [20:55] <sheppy> Drawn in pencil way off the edge of the screen, but it's there.
2024. # [20:55] <artpar> $ hg qpop
2025. # [20:55] <artpar> popping 84452.diff <-- Still in process
2026. # [20:55] <@khuey> but the Paris bindings aren't XPConnect
2027. # [20:55] <@khuey> that's the whole point!
2028. # [20:55] <sheppy> What are they?
2029. # [20:55] <@khuey> :-P
2030. # [20:55] <@khuey> the replacement for XPConnect
2031. # [20:55] <sheppy> Is it used by open web content or web apps?
2032. # [20:55] <@khuey> at least as far as the DOM is concerned
2033. # [20:56] <@khuey> its used by anything that uses the DOM
2034. # [20:56] <artpar> patch queue now empty
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2036. # [20:56] <sheppy> Directly?
2037. # [20:56] <@khuey> so "hell if I know" ;-)
2038. # [20:56] <sheppy> Yeah.
2039. # [20:56] * @khuey is just being a pedant, you really shouldn't be engaging here if you value your time
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2041. # [20:56] <sheppy> Today is shot; my time is worth practically nothing today, so I can go at this all day.
2042. # [20:56] <@khuey> haha
2043. # [20:57] <artpar> Ms2ger, patch queue now empty
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2045. # [20:57] <jlebar> artpar, Now hg heads again
2046. # [20:58] <Ms2ger> artpar, have another look at hg heads .; if it still has a patch you wrote, hg qimp -r and hg qpop, repeat
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2049. # [20:59] <artpar> i did, hg heads, lot of ouput, it does has something related to me, as i see http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1556419 .. the second changeset
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2051. # [21:00] <Ms2ger> artpar, yep, see the hash next to "changeset" in that block
2052. # [21:00] <artpar> yes, a402c2064466
2053. # [21:00] <Ms2ger> No, the one right above your name
2054. # [21:00] <artpar> hg qimport: option -r requires argument
2055. # [21:00] <artpar> so that hash is the argument ?
2056. # [21:00] <Ms2ger> c05d52c68055
2057. # [21:00] <artpar> oh ok
2058. # [21:01] <artpar> c05d52c68055
2059. # [21:01] <Ms2ger> So hg qimp -r c05d52c68055
2060. # [21:01] <artpar> so, hg qimp -r c05d52c68055
2061. # [21:01] <Ms2ger> Exactly
2062. # [21:01] <artpar> alright :)
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2070. # [21:04] <RyanVM> froydnj: any luck with Yarr? :)
2071. # [21:04] <artpar_> i did hg qpop, it said popping 84451.diff
2072. # [21:04] <artpar_> patch queue now empty, then i did "hg heads ." now i still my name there, so i repeat ?
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2075. # [21:05] <Ms2ger> Yep
2076. # [21:05] <artpar_> ok
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2078. # [21:08] <Ms2ger> So, this Kilimanjaro stuff
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2080. # [21:08] <Ms2ger> Which seems to be all about "The Web as the Platform"
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2083. # [21:08] <Ms2ger> Does any part of it involve investing staff in the platform?
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2087. # [21:09] <froydnj> RyanVM: luck enough to run away screaming before I went insane? =D
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2089. # [21:10] <RyanVM> hahaha
2090. # [21:10] <RyanVM> there's a reason I haven't been working too seriously on it
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2092. # [21:10] <RyanVM> so you found that the assembler and Yarr weren't in sync or something?
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2094. # [21:10] <bent> hm, is try down?
2095. # [21:11] <froydnj> yeah, the last Yarr import contained just enough assembly bits to make it go
2096. # [21:11] <froydnj> *assembler, even
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2098. # [21:11] <froydnj> but left out some parts that make further patching...tedious
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2100. # [21:12] <froydnj> I was getting to going back and porting those bits, but ran out of time and motivation and patience to trawl through svn history rather than git history
2101. # [21:12] <RyanVM> svn is dog-ass slow
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2103. # [21:12] <@bz> yes, yes it is
2104. # [21:12] <RyanVM> it kills my computer to svn update webkit
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2106. # [21:12] <@bz> makes me glad I don't work with webkit on a daily basis
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2108. # [21:13] <RyanVM> yeah
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2110. # [21:14] <RyanVM> froydnj: when you say enough bits to make it go, do you mean that the files are hacked up too, or just that only the bare-minimum files are included?
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2113. # [21:15] <artpar_> okay, so now in "hg heads ." i dont see my name :p
2114. # [21:16] <Ms2ger> Success!
2115. # [21:16] <RyanVM> froydnj: looking at the directory structure, I'm assuming the latter
2116. # [21:16] <Ms2ger> hg up should work now
2117. # [21:16] <artpar_> ok
2118. # [21:16] <Ms2ger> (I thinkà
2119. # [21:16] <froydnj> RyanVM: more so the former, though we are missing e.g. the SH support and things like that
2120. # [21:16] <froydnj> some of the stuff doesn't make much sense to import, I gather
2121. # [21:17] <RyanVM> yeah, that makes things way more ugly
2122. # [21:17] <froydnj> but things like https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58950 have just been left out, which is a major annoyance
2123. # [21:17] <artpar_> 9382 files updated, 0 files merged, 947 files removed, 0 files unresolved
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2127. # [21:18] <nemo> grrr. hate AMO search
2128. # [21:18] <nemo> it appears there is no way to search for thunderbird addons while in Firefox
2129. # [21:18] <nemo> you can set "Any Firefox"
2130. # [21:18] <nemo> but you can't set "Search all addons dammit"
2131. # [21:18] <artpar_> Ms2ger : 9382 files updated, 0 files merged, 947 files removed, 0 files unresolved ...
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2133. # [21:19] <Ms2ger> Sounds good to me!
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2135. # [21:19] <artpar_> okay, so that means its rebased now ?
2136. # [21:19] <WG9s|autistic> nemo: yes this is lame becuase i bet you CAN do this if you are runing IE or chrome.
2137. # [21:19] <Ms2ger> Not yet
2138. # [21:20] <Ms2ger> Did someone point you at MQ documentation?
2139. # [21:20] <artpar_> MQ ? no
2140. # [21:20] <artpar_> MQ is ?
2141. # [21:20] <nemo> WG9s|autistic: yeah. stupid https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aaddons.mozilla.org+enigmail
2142. # [21:20] <nemo> this worked
2143. # [21:20] <Ms2ger> Let me look
2144. # [21:21] <artpar_> Mercurial Quickstart ?
2145. # [21:21] <Ms2ger> Queues
2146. # [21:21] <Ms2ger> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mercurial_Queues
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2148. # [21:21] <nemo> WG9s|autistic: was trying to link a friend to it who was asking whether there was a way for 2 people to securely exchange e-mails
2149. # [21:21] <Ms2ger> artpar_, I'd suggest reading through that page first
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2151. # [21:22] <artpar_> okay, i will read it now
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2175. # [21:37] <artpar_> Ms2ger, i finished reading it, i read until "Advanced usage and reference" and also "Rebasing for dummies", the last command i issued was "hg up", is "hg up"=="hg update" ?
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2178. # [21:38] <Ms2ger> Yep
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2180. # [21:38] <Ms2ger> You can abbreviate all the commands, as long as it's unambiguous
2181. # [21:38] <artpar_> alright, so i should qpush my_patch_name ?
2182. # [21:39] <Ms2ger> Yep
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2186. # [21:40] <artpar_> i have the patch split up in three patch files, because i was told to do so, so i will qpush each one and check for rej files and sort it out before qpush the next patch file, right ?
2187. # [21:40] <Ms2ger> Yep
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2190. # [21:40] <artpar_> ok thanks a lot Ms2ger :)
2191. # [21:40] <Ms2ger> (It'll tell you if there are any rejects)
2192. # [21:40] <artpar_> okay
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2203. # [21:46] <artpar_> how should i interpret the .rej file, the first one i see is very small but how do i know what the conflict is ? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1556460
2204. # [21:47] <artpar_> my patch file says :+#include "WinUtils.h"
2205. # [21:47] <artpar_> the rej file says :
2206. # [21:47] <artpar_> +#include "nsDataObj.h"
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2208. # [21:48] <froydnj> try is going to asplode when it gets turned back on
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2210. # [21:48] <artpar_> so how should i tell it to include both ?
2211. # [21:49] <Ms2ger> You just need to edit the file that has the actual code
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2216. # [21:52] <artpar_> so i apply my changes in the original cpp file ?
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2219. # [21:57] <artpar_> Ms2ger, i will have to reapply the whole patch again ?
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2221. # [21:58] <Ms2ger> Just the parts in the .rej file
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2223. # [21:58] <Callek> ATTN: Try is closed -- Bug 743329
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2225. # [21:59] <Ms2ger> Good I pushed earlier, then
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2228. # [22:01] <Callek> Ms2ger: well you won't get ANY results until that is fixed
2229. # [22:01] <Ms2ger> Sure
2230. # [22:01] <Callek> Ms2ger: and I wonder if you pushed before todays downtime ;-)
2231. # [22:01] <Ms2ger> I got hit by the red
2232. # [22:01] * Callek is closing mostly to avoid the surprise of extra long downtimes.
2233. # [22:01] <Ms2ger> That's why I pushed again
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2250. # [22:19] <jduell> Has anybody run into an issue where you try to push to inbound, but hook fails with "you are using try syntax". Yet there's no try syntax in my commit msg?
2251. # [22:20] <jduell> aha--- I guess having "telemetry: foo bar" count as try syntax :)
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2255. # [22:21] <Callek> jduell: yea |try:| is try syntax :/
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2259. # [22:22] <artpar_> Ms2ger, i will have to reapply the whole patch again ?
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2275. # [22:31] <artpar_> should i be deleting the lines from the source cpp file where .rej file shows "-" ??
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2278. # [22:34] <@bz> er
2279. # [22:34] <@bz> why is try closed?
2280. # [22:34] <mcsmurf> [21:51] <Callek> ATTN: Try is closed -- Bug 743329
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2282. # [22:35] <jdm> artpar_: yes, those are lines that the original diff attempted to remove
2283. # [22:36] <artpar_> so it could not remove becuase some of my changes are inside those lines being removed ?
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2286. # [22:37] <artpar_> i changed according to .rej file, and then did qref, what should i do next, push the same patch again ?
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2296. # [22:39] <artpar> jdm, i changed according to .rej file, and then did qref, what should i do next, push the same patch again or the next patch(of my changes) that i have ?
2297. # [22:39] <jdm> the patch is currently applied, so qpush will push your next one
2298. # [22:39] <jdm> once you fix up conflicts and qrefresh, you're fine
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2301. # [22:39] <artpar> thanks jdm
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2311. # [22:45] <jhammel> hmmm, i guess that means i won't be committing today :/
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2315. # [22:49] <Callek> jhammel: try will be open again momentarily
2316. # [22:49] <Callek> jhford is composing an explanatory e-mail to the pushes already done
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2318. # [22:52] <jhammel> awesome
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2324. # [22:54] <jhford> ok, email is sent
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2326. # [22:54] <jhford> try is working again, but you'll need to re-push to get builds
2327. # [22:55] <artpar> jdm, most lines which have "-" in the starting in .rej files are not there in the source files anyways, is that fine ?
2328. # [22:55] <jhammel> i haven't pushed at all so... :)
2329. # [22:55] <jdm> artpar: that would be why the diff wasn't applying :)
2330. # [22:55] <artpar> so i should just qref ?
2331. # [22:56] <jdm> artpar: make the changes you can (and that make sense) and qref
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2333. # [22:56] <artpar> ok, thanks jdm :)
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2337. # [22:58] <mbrubeck> Waldo: Because it is 404 ?
2338. # [22:58] <jhammel> that's a silly reason
2339. # [22:59] <jhammel> probably a google conspiracy
2340. # [22:59] <Waldo> hmm, is it? it seemed to load in firefox in the feed reskin of it
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2343. # [22:59] <jhammel> 404 for me
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2345. # [22:59] <jhammel> incidentally it tells me X-hacker: If you're reading this, you should visit automattic.com/jobs and apply to join the fun, mention this header.
2346. # [23:00] <jhammel> i is 1337
2347. # [23:00] <Waldo> jst needs to blog, clearly :-P
2348. # [23:00] <mbrubeck> It's a 404 response with Content-Type text/xml and a valid RSS element the body...
2349. # [23:00] <Waldo> ah. ha. ha.
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2351. # [23:01] <jst> Waldo: working on a couple of blog posts right now, in fact :)
2352. # [23:02] <Waldo> yeah yeah :-P
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2354. # [23:04] <bdahl> who can kill try server jobs?
2355. # [23:04] <Callek> bdahl: anyone with L1 LDAP
2356. # [23:04] <Callek> ;-)
2357. # [23:04] <Callek> self serve ;-)
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2360. # [23:06] <mbrubeck> bdahl: If you want to kill your tryserver job, go to https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=d13736eb2588 and then hover over your changeset and click the red "X" button that appears to the left.
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2369. # [23:15] <artpar> jdm, thanks a lot, i have complete pushing my patches now :)
2370. # [23:15] <jdm> great!
2371. # [23:17] <NeilAway> jduell: lol @ telemetry:
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2374. # [23:20] <Callek> BenWa: basically I won't have time before mid-next week to even test it
2375. # [23:20] * philor|away is now known as philor
2376. # [23:20] <Callek> BenWa: but it matters more for TB, which is Mozilla Proper (not SeaMonkey-Only) ;-)
2377. # [23:21] <BenWa> I'll run a test before landing it, I'll probably get around to it in a week or three as well, not an urgent patch anyways
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2381. # [23:28] <Callek> BenWa: sure, as long as its tested
2382. # [23:28] <Callek> BenWa: I just suspected you could throw debug output at the patch in a TB build anyway
2383. # [23:28] <Callek> BenWa: I'm less concerned about "breakage" than about "incorrect location for the files"
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2385. # [23:29] <BenWa> right
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2390. # [23:31] <@bz> do we have a known bug on Fx11 on mac having three red lines from the close button to the window corner?
2391. # [23:31] <@bz> Emma is running into that, and it looks ... pretty weird
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2398. # [23:40] <@khuey> so
2399. # [23:40] <@khuey> where does one actually download ESR?
2400. # [23:40] * @khuey can't find it
2401. # [23:40] <@khuey> which I suppose it half the point
2402. # [23:41] <edmorley> khuey: bottom of FAQ page
2403. # [23:41] <dholbert> khuey, http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all.html
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2406. # [23:41] <@khuey> ah
2407. # [23:41] <@khuey> ty
2408. # [23:41] <artpar> i am supposed to fold two patches, so i did "hg qgoto patch1" and then "hg qgoto patch2" but i dont see the contens of patch2 in patch1 ??
2409. # [23:42] <artpar> oh sorry, was checking the wrong folder :-/
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2411. # [23:42] <artpar> it worked
2412. # [23:44] <Mossop> Well that just applies both patches, doesn't fold them. qfold is for that
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2416. # [23:46] <timA> really the "hg qgoto patch2" overrides any previous "hg qgoto" commands you've entered
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2418. # [23:46] <@dbaron> does canceling try builds not work anymore?
2419. # [23:47] <mak> dbaron: it should, after a bunch of minutes
2420. # [23:47] <dholbert> timA, (I suspect artpar meant to say "hg qfold patch2" instead of "hg qgoto patch2")
2421. # [23:47] <mak> dbaron: if it doesn't, you may try asking jhford-buildduty
2422. # [23:47] <artpar> yeah sorry :-/ i mean qfold patch2
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2424. # [23:48] <jhford-buildduty> dbaron: when did you push to try?
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2426. # [23:48] <@dbaron> jhford, 25 past the hour
2427. # [23:48] <@dbaron> jhford-buildduty, and then pushed what I wanted at 27 past the hour
2428. # [23:48] <jhford-buildduty> that suggests something with the self-serve agent
2429. # [23:48] <@dbaron> jhford-buildduty, and tried to cancel the first
2430. # [23:48] <jhford-buildduty> i'll go check on it
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2436. # [23:49] <jhammel> jhford-buildduty: so is try pushable atm?
2437. # [23:49] <jhford-buildduty> jhammel: yes
2438. # [23:49] <jhammel> jhford-buildduty: cool, /me pushes
2439. # [23:50] <artpar> after all the rebasing i did in the past 3 hours, now with i try to rebuild it, i get errors in files which i never touched :-/ :( what should i do ?
2440. # [23:50] <artpar> *with = when
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2442. # [23:51] <jhford-buildduty> dbaron: thanks for catching that
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2444. # [23:51] <jhford-buildduty> i restarted the agent and i got 2012-04-06 14:44:20,600 cancelling build by dbaron@<snip>.com of 10349620
2445. # [23:52] <jhford-buildduty> and a bunch more
2446. # [23:53] <@dbaron> jhford-buildduty, yep, looks like it's mostly canceled now
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2448. # [23:53] <@dbaron> jhford-buildduty, thanks
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2450. # [23:55] <jhford> np
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